"You?! Did THAT?!" (w/ Charlie Bardey & Natalie Rotter-Laitman)

have to tell you. And like I've seen the jacket that you have on today before, there's something different about it today. There's like a confidence, is energy. It's a lustrous vegan leather. Holy fuck, and it really catches the light. I think that's I think it was the light of that lobby. Yeah, very like thaw from winter to spring. Those of what the days have been giving. Oh, the

allergies are bad this year. Can I tell you something, I'm not even focusing on the allergies that I pull out my phone today and I look at the weather sort of app which I've been doing almost every day being in New York now, because you just never know what you're gonna get, which is one of the great things about the city. Yes, seventy one degrees. It says that's not true. Not right now, it's not. But later back with me around one pm, two pm. You got

You'll be shocked, you got it. So anyway, anyway, I see you and you're glowing, and then we catch up where it's such a lovely way to start off the day. Well, I've been excited all day because of this EP. Me too, me too, And we talk and we talk, and then all of a sudden, this noise, this sound comes out of your pocket, could have been coming out of me. It was, it could have come out of your holes. It was the song to Lie You when I by Howie Day And you want to say, who was that artist? Again?

I said it Howie Day. And now Howie Day is sort of back. So I want you to know, like I didn't get up this morning and go on Spotify and sort of type in the Spotify Howie Day. What I did type it the Spotify this morning, and I don't know why, but I think I can sort of a to see why I typed into Spotify tod Vertical Horizon. Do you remember the song Your God? And I'm nah, I just remember that song. That is to remember that

song that is the year two thousand. That is literally ninety eight something that was in this the continuation slide show from when I graduated the fifth grade one hundred is that song that? And like, I guess the Vitamin C graduation song was played. I'm sure a Vertical Horizons. You're going from fifth to sixth that's a huge moment. We did sing that song at this You sang it, we sang it. We all had to learn it. We had such a flop graduation song my senior year. It

was the Beatles. I even forget the flops. And the year before us they did Breakaway by Kelly Clarkton and I was like, wow, they got that. They got this iconic group gets a set, real stand off. Oh no, Um okay. So but here's why I think I googled in, googled in to spotify um Vertical Horizon because we did Sluck the other name, Yes, and you did a bit as Carmen Electra. Yes. So Sluck is our lip sync filthy dance duo. We did it at Josh Sharpe's charity

show at Knockdown Center. It was a big reunion, A lot of money was raised, our guests were there. It was Gorgeous Moment co hosts and um we performed Sluck and there was a bit in the Sluck mix that Bonan put together, which was Bonan as Karmen Electra. Carmen Electra is Tiffany Amberthisen Culture and Tiffany Emberthisen stars in the video for You're a God as like a sad pageant queen. Sad pageant media is something that I don't

think there's enough of anymore. I think we need to go back to I think I think The Hole was the first sad pageant queen Hole the album cover Oh yes, yes, yes, you know, yeah, there's sort of I'm a pageant girl, but like it's not sad. Yeah, it's not what you think, yes, and then so sad And it just made me so happy to think about this music video. I will watch it later today. But it's Tiffany Amber Thesten sort of as like a pageant queen who I think even wins,

but it's not what she thinks it's gonna be. It doesn't matter if you win the fact that's culture real Coadure number thirty eight. It doesn't matter if you win. And I think that if you're in the pageant then you've lost. That is actually a huge point. And we're all in the pageant. Jesus Christ, there's a real coude number thirty nine. We're all in the pageant in Us Christ, I have mine. I don't think so Honey is actually going to be controversial. And I'm just gonna say it's

gonna be controversial, but everyone's gonna be on board with it. Wow, that's so bold, I promise you this. Okay, So before we before we introduce the guests, um indictment watch um where the city is buzzing. The city feels different today. We are waiting for the indictment to come down. We're literally blocks away. We are blocks away from the indictment from not from Trump Towers, the indictment, which is of

course different from the arraignment. The indictment happened, yes, but the how do you feel in this historic, unprecedented moment fucking horned up? Oh god, I feel so happy because the indictment is just realm the corner. The indictment already happened. Yep, He's been in and so then also I've been listening to great music and as a result of as a result of vertical Horizon coming on. I want you know.

The next song was oh my God, Collide, No not even it was you say, and I was like, Jesus Christ, I'm gonna just be hitting it all day, am I gonna have an amazing day? That era we never really went back to that era, Isn't that sad? Let's bring it back in our culture of like on our back washy culture. We've never really genuinely quashy culture like we've like the light is not shown on that part of the culture in a long time. I really don't like

backwashing culture. Doesn't but don't you. But but you understand exactly what it means, and I can also identify that we're in it, and I don't like it at all. You hear about this Harry Potter reboot, Mawana again, ma wanna again, Harry Potter again. I don't. I don't get it. I don't need it. Our guests are here, and that's really why I'm so happy. Let's talk about our guests, because that's actually the reason why I'm actually so happy.

So I've been looking forward to this and we I did have to cancel yesterday, and I feel I had the guilt. Can I say, you're such a fucking bitch because you you almost ruined our guests, because, first of all, Exploration Live more like Lost Culture. They're here on this pod. I said, don't race now. It's actually one of my favorite pods, and it's one of my favorite I don't I love guys are so smart. I love it. I love it, I love it. I love it. Was truly

that thing today. I was listening to it and I almost just like they had our fucking enemies, George and Sam of Stradio lab Ulture's favorite new podcast, Um keep it in Um. They had them mom last week and it was one of those things. But where hold my hand? I was like, you know when you listen to a podcast and you're like, I just want to time in. Oh my god, yes you do know I can? They well, no, I felt the same way. Yeah, let go of me. Now, let go of me. Now. This is this is Exploration Live.

This is their their new pod, not new podcast, Headgum. They've just newly gone to headgum. This is their live show at Union Haul Bellhouse. We cannot wait to talk to them, and then in some ways we already have off my prior to oh prior and Ryan. Okay, I say something. We were talking so much fucking shit and you'll never be able to hear it. But for now, while you're into your ears many, I love you. Got

the funnest minutes of my life those minutes. What have you guys talked about in terms of intro culture with Sam and Jewel? I love that fascinating. Oh well I missed. I'm literally love my every person here throughout the smallest little table in the world. We're literally getting like a nice intimate Italian dinner right now. Yah, sitting on the indictment watch episode this We in midtown? Yeah happening. We in Midtown were actually on the most important avenue, ninth. Yeah,

let's follow them down to the courthouse. We do a little bit Lady Gaga and look for evidence of I'm happy to help about however, I count sign after this, we're growing. I didn't hear a peep about this indictment until literally two three days ago. I was sitting with my other nanny friends watching the kids play, and when Nandy goes, can't believe you got indicted the other and he's like, it's about time, and I was like, who wait? And so that she's known as the political political. No,

but she does have really strong opinions. No, exactly exactly because the personal is political. So sometimes it's like you parked your stroller inside, like you must be fucked up think that. It's like, yeah, that is politics. Who takes up space? Where were we? Where were we? Intro culture and ant but you don't always have guests. Well it's yeah, so guests are new for us, so we're really like feeling it out. To be honest, do you hate it? No? No No, no, no, to be honest, we're not anti.

We're just not there yet, like eause you are ways you had guests, yeah, yeah, but for intro, like for us, it's like okay, so that was like I actually went to like complete giddy joy land you intro Now, I'm all warm, I'm ready to go. Yeah. We are too shy to do talking in front of people without them like yeah, we know it's for the greater good. Yeah.

Sometimes it's like the podcast starts and where like can you guys go for it and like we need a second, like um, high, I guess I'm the one who's sort of doing it now. I love we're feeling it out and we've always been open that. It's like our process is pretty loose, and that's okay, that's cool to be loose. Imagine if we did that. I'm not not just so that's amazing, you know, I will. Yes, one of the

intro things is I'm always wanting to be like participating. Yeah, and I'm trying to make him into a list of like like I had a thought. Yeah, it was like that I have. But also, like you, it's so smart to do an intro because, like you, if the gas comes in from the beginning and they're just like driving, what's the tone, what's the energy? Like, it could be freaky. It could be freaky. I think this is the opposite side of this point. Are you ready? I think? Okay,

So the tails, if you will. The tails you guys were talking about post hang out check in culture. It was on yes, okay, so important post hanging out check in like texting someone that was really fun. Yeah, totally right. That is like, well that is okay, Well, but I think nowt least that's something about like before the hangout, Yeah,

to lubricate up to the hangout. It's like on the day, on the day of, you're texting to the Hey, can't wait to see you, right, and then like ramps up within the last fifteen minutes, leading it right to the hang. Oh my god, it's empty in here. I'm in the back, like weird. I'm realizing whatever anticipation is what this is really coming down to. Yeah, And there's nothing hotter than anticipation.

And we're here. We're like, as you guys are talking, We're like, it's a crazy task to be like silent, you know what I mean, Like it's so and like we're Mike, So it's not even like I'm like covering my men, especially when you're such a conversationalist by trade, you know what I mean. Something, it's that down so not me, but it's true you need the desire comes from exactly, yes, and we were desiring you while you

were doing it feels like okay. So when it's like, hey, I'm here early, I just I'm grabbed his table like that to me is always so anxious. It doesn't matter if I really know the person. First time I'm anxious, I'm like three percent horny out to me, i'd be three percent horny exactly because can you imagine if I texted you and I was like, hey, just grabbed a table. Guess my outfits a little crazy today? You know what?

My shirts so yellow? Yeah? Can I sometimes not texting that little flurry of message sometimes that's so intense, Like it's very much like I'll be in the yellow shirt with the rose fine, what's the row? Okay, I thought you. I thought you. I'll be in the yew show with the holding a row saying that's what you're guys never

hung out with Natalie. No, I like losing you guys, like so hard right away, so low, like right, because the flurry can kind of be like we're friends, we're friends, how we're talking, and when you just like wait, like I meet you there at too, and you just like sit there waiting to meet them with a little like like Penn Pale meeting up with your last lover. Let's move on. Yeah no, no, no, no, no, I wonder if they'll show up, you know what I mean, Like we'll meet at the bridge in four years if you

still want this, if you still in the city. That is one of the most intense movies of scenes of right, because Steve's not like, hey, I'm here. There's a lot of people, you know, they didn't text each other. They did not text. That's what it's like if you meet up with someone and don't text before. That's what I see.

But that's the bullshit, though, that's the that's such bullshit, because here's the real The real fact is that even Miranda and Steve would have had to text each other to be like you're coming right right, they wouldn't have bowen shut up. This is where rom comes. Fuck us up. You guys say shut up, We say shut up each other. Wait, could you say also one more? We're not there, you guys don't. You will never be there because that is not the ball, will never be You don't want to

be there. You don't want you don't see the never. One time, one time I was with Natalie and then Francesca do it was there by the way, this things the amazing song. Yeah it no, no, she's a project time. It's amazing. But I've been a KA pop song to Celeste on Saturday and then they go, this sounds like a Francesca song. I was like, oh my god, this sounds like you made it, and actually compliment to both

the song and Francesca absolutely. But one time I was hanging out with Natalie and then Francesca was telling this story. It was like wild story about like I don't know, I forgot what it was about. I think it was about her mom. Yeah, Francesca did something to her mom. And then and then you said you did that, And

there's something about that. It's not really reading as I'm saying it, but there's something about the infunction that is really it was a little like she said a same you and the last quiet at the table, and it was like, what but this is but this really drills down into my theory, the theory that we've had for years, which is that the word that is so it's one of the best. It's funny. It's really all things. It's a noun. It's a noun. It's a weaponized pronoun. Yeah,

pronoun as a pronoun. And it also it can act here it can be adjectively too. It's like she was so that, oh my god, verb energy, that verb energy, say that verb energy big verb energy is titled said and the now that it's a verb energy and that whatever not married to it, it's it's giving obsession. Well, I'm drawn to the guests. Actually, I was on I was on both your programs, watching um all the reels, a real talk about reels, because now they're saying do reels?

Do read them better? Is what's happening. That's beautiful because while it was real and now let's do reels. Yeah, well, oh my god, I've gone. I remember doing Be Real and being like, I know at some point this will be over, but I cannot imagine it, like this is such a huge part of my life. And then literally like flip, four days later, it was like completely done, Like I can't wait for the like I don't say that. What I want to say is this, like the be

real like uber doc thing like will never die. And then they did It's French, by the way, so it'll be French uber doc. Are you kidding me? Yeah, that's so not that they're so live in the oh, but they're so live in the moment. They're so live in the moment friends identity, They're so French. I was at a bachelorette party this weekend. Really, yeah you did that, you and the bride and all of the new sisters.

I made our listeners and readers and lovers and their new sisters of course, and wait, talk about wait, but what I need to say is at the bachelotte party, it was be real. It was time to be real. And I announced and I was like, literally seventeen girls. I only knew like three of them. The other ones were like the other friends. And I was like, it's time to be real. And it was like blinklink like you know. They were they like for why o you

n no? No, wait, I'm not like a master speller, Charlie. Okay, so you said this on your part. Are you actually bad at spelling? Would? Can you spell horrendous? Wait? Don't do honey? Do you know you're nervous or something? You're like, They're not gonna make me like spell herrect. Sometimes I like the word I'm trying to spell, and Google's like, we don't know what you want to. You don't know what even you what even your suggests, We don't know

what the directions taken in. And I just have to send the word as is to the friend and be like, what do you make of this? Well, that's like me with knowing what words mean. Like oftentimes Bowen will say something like He'll be like, oh, like I don't use words obsequious or I really connect with you when you say I know my heart, I don't know my words my heart, because that to me is you know, you

can't be what you can't see. No, what can I say something about the knowing words thing, which is kind of like what you said is that if you're the only one who knows the word, then you suck. You actually get yes and yeah, no, no, no, but hey you do something that's like why do you why do you need that? And then also you actually have a wide latitude because no one's going to check you on it, dequace or whatever. People are like, well, take your word

for it, I'm using it wrong. Yeah no, And wait, I was on Radio Lab Live show and I used what word was? And I used a word and I was with I've been there, and I was like, wait, did I just pronounced that wrong? And she was like yes, and it was like in the belhouse people, and I was like it was like the first thing I said, like, first word out of my mouth? What was the word? I don't know? Is there nothing more embarrassing? Aren't you

so embarrassed for someone? Maybe you aren't. Aren't you so embarrassed for someone who uses the word like non plused wrong? And you're like, that's actually the opposite me. Yes, I feel humiliated when someone says non, plus I don't know what I'm always like, I'm with you. No, you know what did it sounds like it's sounds but to me, of course, yeah, we understand. Yeah, asked of it, all right. But there's like a tribalism going on already in this room.

So what you think. That's totally And we have the same kind of microphones, and they have the same kind of microphone they have. Oh my god, we have something. Look at me. I'd rather be asked. This is not what we should have wanted out on it. And it's hard it comes up because Charlie, I'm gonna go quickly com please. The other thing of using like vocab words is that you say it and it's like, well, nobody knows what that means. So you have actually said nothing.

That's what I'm saying. You're not communicating it. I want to say there was an era where bowing, Oh no, you know you might even know what I'm gonna say, because this word haunted me. Oh no, I wonder what it was. Is the word well yes, can you guess um? Um no? No, no, no, no. The word was June. Wait. I have a whole thing with this. What's your please? What's your this is your culture? Sace. I have a word on my phone that I read in books that I'm like, those are cool words. And I didn't know

what that meant. And the one I just said, go ahead bow shoe with me at my most twenty four year old self, thirty, I was not doing it at thirty. I gave up to June. Like after Hillary loss, I was like, you know what elitism is over? You're like, do you think they're saying Jejune in Trump country? To understand the whole time? That was the whole op ed in the New York Times about people who wait, but what is like? Um like like you're stupid, You're dumb,

You're you're immature, your live Yeah, well you. I don't know if you guys noticed this before, but before Charlie sort of like slayed a French accent. I didn't mean to be this way. It's another actually thing with you, it's another thing. And it reminded me of the other night where Charlie and I were talking about singing and Charlie sort of turned away and like sang beautifully and then I sort of like went like, excuse me. I heard that, and I was like, oh my god, you

did stop. I'm so embarrassed. I thought it was alone. It was like sort of perfect describe it. It was like really healthy, which shocked me because like why because we were in a basement of the Knockdown Center and I felt like everyone had been screaming and sort of slaying and then to hear this like healthy, sort of gorgeous resonant, like the perfect vibrato come out of and he had just told me about his acapella culture. Yes,

I did acapella and Yale University. Yeah, I'm not loving the way I'm coming off on this episode, but why would you not love it? You need to be the Bowen. That means that you're love No, no, this that is not even true. Course you understand like actually being the bow Yeah Bowen and Charlie both French and white from white French white singers. It's apologietsis okay, it's pinky in

the brain, that's yeah. You guys traded off though, Yeah, yeah, well it's like the truth is the truth, of course, but like you also like to play what you like to play? Like you know what I mean totally, yes, totally, that's so true, so true. Like you can be like like smart downwards whatever, but it's like I like pinky, you like, yeah, you know what I mean I feel and we're actually wider and broader than that. But in the moment, it's like what do I play off of?

And bred and broader than that? I love to play at. It's an act of course when I don't know stuff. Obviously. You guys remember that we saw Sluck not three days ago. Yeah, oh my god, fun. It was amazing. Did you want the power of fuck? Wait? And the audience, the audience really wanted sluck. Can I say something? Actually, you can always say something. I was watching some of the Sluck stories people where people were taking stories of Sluck problem.

They were happ ring the other co hosts on that stage, Oh what did you? It was just a lot of people being like, I definitely here's what I'll say. But when Boone and I were about to go up, huh as fluck and short of shut down the night, I turned to Bowen. We're in our Sluck outfits, which are essentially crop tops that are disgusting full of red lipsticks.

Then we wear a little little tiny underwear and they basically and I turned to Boone and I said, I can't believe that everyone is going to be behind us, that all of our peers are going to be behind us, and the audience is not only going to see us perform, but them try to perform behind. They did it. They were not performed. They did not really you would think if I were on stage on display watching someone perform, no matter what, I'm going to give you a layer

of active watching. Yeah, definitely going to be smiling, like, yeah, and what did you see? Just kind of I saw, I saw about seventy percent slacked off and but not by the way, not you guys, and it wasn't even an act. I was so enthralled. Yeah, I couldn't believe it was one of the best mixes ever. And that was Yan makes the mixes because I'm we're not gonna

believe this, but inept on the computer. I famously did not believe that my computer made PDFs for about six years, and I wouldn't when I was at NYU, I had to send my send my script to City Green so she could print out my friend because her computer could madfs and I couldn't and she was like, I can't even engage with you on this because it's so stupid. I don't want to make you feel bad. But your computer can make PDFs you because you had virus. I'm

sort of famously always on born. And so by the way, I love this stuff. I love this stuff. What can't she do? What can't she do? Wait? You know what they've started to doing porn now started to do is it's like the product placement in porn now is getting crazy, like like literally I don't even don't even yeah, yeah, yeah, I watched a porn the other day. This is my I don't think so honey later not not about porn, not about but you go did you see this one?

Did you see this one? Um? I was watching porn and at the very top of the porn was um. Someone reaches over and goes, have you read this new book Isaac Oliver? And it was and I was like, it was like, this is really good. And then the other guy goes, oh, yeah, actually was at his book signing. He's really funny. Wait and then the fuck that can be? How It's like though, by the way, life like actually

like totally hook up. It's like you're like in someone's room and you're like, hey, but did you read that? And they're like, yeah, I thought it was cool, and then you do start sucking and like that is actually how it goes. It's completely scripted to life. I want that. I don't was the one that you showed me a few weeks ago on the pot the best. This is the funniest I ever seen. It was the beginning of

a porn guys. And this guy goes, actually, something, it's so funny and just pulls up a clip from Jennifer Coolidge from She's like, gay guys, you know how to do stuff? And then you can see it in picture. There's a little rectangle at the bottom right corner Jennifer Coolidge. No shot of the phone, no like reverse shot, it's just I And then and then he puts the phone down and he goes, that's so funny, and then he goes to the guy she's right, though, gay guys, do

you know how to do stuff? Wait? That's so good, that's so smart. Well, I think it's cool. It's like what time like now? Is it like from another time period? Like it was post single all the way to something prison, but single all the way it came out during Oh god, I hope they didn't have omicron back in the video. I don't think they care at all. I bet they didn't test on that shoot. Do you think they're testing for COVID porn shoots? Of course we're testing to so confident.

What do you mean you're testing? Because the vibe is that's like, of course we test, Yeah, you know what I mean. It was like, yeah, this is a safe shoot. Wait, I'm like, can I just say something that I have been like miming stuff to bow and so not appropriate, and then it's like you have to stop and like explain it. I was in a Headgum is having us test whenever we go, like he and I like we

don't want to know. Yeah, it is like so scary every time because it's like what if And then it'd be like we're in the office and we're like okay, I'm I'm gonna go home. That's like one time I was hanging out with Less and Bran. We got in the car together, this was like Pete COVID and it was like I was like, honestly, I'm just gonna test because I'm like feeling a little weird. We were all already in the car together driving to the beach winter

to go have a little beach day. We got our sandwiches. I was like, I don't know, feeling weird. I put the test that I do it in my nose and put it in a little console in the car. We're driving, driving, and it was like looking good looking at the less the test. Like after fifteen minutes, I was like positive. We were like we just like pulled the car over, like all got out and we're like, what's the plan. I had to sit like forty feet away from them.

I ate my sandwich and then we're like, let's drive back, windows down and just kind of and then it was fun, no problem. Yeah. I think when you have COVID and roommates and it's like, okay, we're gonna kind of try to keep it separate. But at a certain point it's like, good luck, good good luck. Didn't you have COVID? Very bad thing. I just cut it immediately. I was scared and was really anxious play. I feel like you have a complex, like it wasn't that bad, but like you

were coughing up alone. It was for a long time it was like a month I heard about this. He group it was no, no, no, and we were all embarrassed. No, I'm not embarrassed. I'm saying we were all very concerned. Yeah. Well that was the time when the group chat also became like a doctor's association in every group chat. Yeah, yeah,

like in COVID. So it was like, you know, I heard about someone who still has it a month later, Like it was literally like I think it was like either George or Sam or someone just like said to our group that, like, Charlie has it period, it's bad. I remember that. I was like, oh my god, no, it's like crazy, I can't believe. Like it wasn't like that it's bad. It's bad, Yeah exactly, but it was bad. It wasn't like Charlie has it like bad, Like it was like, oh my god, it was just like in

retrospect it like it wasn't that good. But the narrative around it was it was like it could turn for the worst and it was like it wasn't ever going away and there was no testing. Also, yeah, I mean it was me and my like kind of random roommate shout out to Amy and we both had it yeah, I bet you she does ready, and we were still no, no, I want to do it quickly. Some people here like some people, Oh she moved to Los Angeles. Well I'm moving back. Okay, you are had it? Are serious? Had

it with the city? Serious here? Don't everyone? I can't where I'm living. It's my whole family's here. Yeah, exactly, it's got I gotta be in Manhattan, right, Yeah, so I'm getting lunch with my mom after this. Are you seriously you guys are doing a raid un Yeah, you

guys are doing all of a sudden. It's like sort of become this thing of like talking about like family and having lived here and so that I feel like it's giving a segue into the question before we do, I just want to say he shout out IO before I and Io was the last time we had a political episode. So this is our most political episodes since I was on. And that was that was after omar Rosa. That was Omarossa quit the staff quum and there was

a long political lull until right now. Yes, for years politics. No, well, we took a break from that. Yeah. Yeah. We had a joke that was like what if every news outlet like went dark, and only we could have reported on January six, like it would have just been us on the ground, Like we are so disgusted in repulse what we are seeing here today. It's horrible, and we understood that. We're just it's terrible, feel weird. But this is like sort of the second political episode. Yeah, and you chose

the right people. Yeah, I can tell, Yeah, I can tell. These are politicals. Every exploration is political, and someone you're thinking of a better world alter reality. That is politics period. First of all, it's like the thing when you text your friend and they don't respond for a little while. Ideas are political, They're the most dangerous thing we have slash back. Oh my god. Ideas are revolution. Ideas are a new page. Ideas are something to follow. Ideas. Ideas

can't be killed, Ideas can be heightened. I just can be explored. Yea, and chills you guys. You realize you guys are doing that every day, and you know we never were able to explain what the podcast was before. Right now? Yeah, actually, like I want to steal that as copy. Yeah, you literally killed ideas cannot be her. I just want to say that now you guys are in your guest Era Bone is too busy. I am not too busy. What do you mean you can't be on the podcast on? No, shut up, you can barely

even do this podcast. I need to be on with you. We need to be on. That's well, actually is it's like we're like, we would love to ask it. That's like they wouldn't do something like, well, that's how we felt about this one. Yeah doing it. We were like, I mean, ask them, but we're not free Larson, right, no, it has never been on the pod. But but but

the one good thing Brady Larsen Captain Marvel herself. Wait, the one good thing that's happening in La recently is there's a queer line dancing thing that happens, which is like short for me, but I definitely will go not even cotton Eye Joe, like they would call that j June. They wouldn't. Anyway, here's what I want to say, and then we can all let go. But what I want to figuezing so hard? Brie Larson went to queer line Dancer's uppen you were there? No, but Jared, oh good.

I like when a celebrity decides that she needs levity and joy in her life and she turns to gay people. So great first to do that, Judy. Judy was the first forty yeah yeah for a little fun for ones, little fun anyway, So yes, that's the one good thing that's happening in la is Bree Larson at Queer Line dancing Silver Lake at club. And can I say something, You two are Bree Larson. Yeah in many ways, don't say don't say we're no. I know, I don't know why I said that. That was so weird. We are

Bree Lar, we are Larson Larson. And we're talking about the girl from oh yeah and I Humors movie movie she was the sister right in which one the sister. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, And that's actually a little culture number ninety eight. Brie Larson was the sister in train Rat. Yeah. Yeah, that's amazing because well that's so funny too, like your lark should play like a sister, like yeah, yeah, sister. Sister

actually was very much the sister. Yeah until until she literally won an oscar, right one day, she literally won an oscar. Before that, she had been really the sister. In fact, she was the daughter in the United States of tera r. Never mind what did she win an oscar when she was like twenty two? In room? She won a very young you were kind of room right now? Yeah, we want a very young girl that was very young of her. He put us in room. This is very much room, and we got a couple of Tromblays and

a couple of breaths. We're putting Jacob in the trunk. I think you can I say something if if this I'm literally saying right now, I feel no, no, no no, I feel that Toby Bowen means to be Tromblay. Yeah. Yeah, I'm telling you something shit goes down in here. You and I are running the show. Wait, I don't. Yeah, I would say I think so were the ones who have to like be protected? I think so. It's like, but we have such seeds of hope within us. Anything.

Are you guys are identify as more mommy or daddy? WHOA, Oh that's really hard. I actually think I have an answer. I think it's I think it's daddy. Actually, you do you have like directions and like general knowledge like stuff like that. I'm stubborn sometimes yeah, you know what I mean. And it's like, all right, I identify as daddy in that like I'm allowed to be like an idiot and not know anything, and there's some like beautiful girl who's going to take care of me? Is also true? Yeah

I know, Well actually am I growing up? And I will go there For a second, I was kind of like, what's going to happen to me? Like where's my jacket? Like where my shoes? Like whatever? And then and like I was like, are there girls like me? You know what I mean? I don't know. And then I looked at my dad, who has my same face, and he's like my Mom's like, if you eat an apple and leave the core wherever you're sitting one more time, like I'm gonna lose my mind. I'm like I could do that. Yeah, yeah,

I could do that. And I'm like when someone's birthday, it's like you just get a wife, you know what I mean? Oh my god, what's up with you guys? Why I think you guys? Think you too? Are absolutely daddy? I think, yeah, what are you? I'm definitely I think both of them. And I'm like I'm I'm like, it's okay, energy, Oh I'm not a big deal energy, But also like,

but I also think that, and I'm perceptibly. Yes. Yeah, I also think, Matt, you have like strong opinions, like a mommy with like a lot of care, like I think, true, I'm mommy because I don't. I also I am not like a reprimander. I'm not like a disciplinarian. I'm more just like, Well, I think we made a mistake today's right, And I think your mommy bone because you give special attention. Oh my god, quiet power good lining. Quiet power is so. But see sometimes quiet power is just me going. I

don't have anything to say. I don't. I don't have a thought. Right, she's busy, she needs a little time to be bent blank, I'm tired, mommy, and that it's tired. Wait, we're talking about childhoods. I think this is the time to ask me. We're like an hour and we haven't asked the question. Take it away, Bowen, We're gonna ask you both. Let's start with Natalie. Oh, Natalie, what is the culture that made you say culture is for me? Okay, thanks guys, Well mine is gonna be And I've been

thinking about this obviously. Well, we hope the Awesome Powers franchise. Oh has anyone done that recently? No? But actually it didn't come up recently because Bowen revealed that as a child he dressed up as Austin Powers and you just it up. I just did. I just did. Said it was Bible camp and people went crazy. Yeah, that's gonna crush. That was because it's culture, because it's at the time, at the time I think still talk about your favorite movie,

your favorite moments, Yeah, your favorite supporting characters so much. Well, I was a strong I had a strong connection to the Beyonce movie, which I think is and that one I used to watch, Like my friend with cover would be like, Okay, we have to study tonight, but let's just put on gold mat yeah, like and it just like it was just perful, like first of all, smoke in a pancake pipe and buns like that stuff. Like I think it's still in me and it's not deep down,

it's at the top. Yeah. And I recently have been getting into James Bond, right, I watched Yeah, and my family I had all sisters, Like we didn't do any boy movies, Like we didn't touch like scarfet I don't know what, like whatever, I don't care about that. But so we never watch that. We watch awesome Powers, And now I'm watching James Bond for the first time, and I'm like, this has really strong echoes of Awesome Powers and its flow in that direction. Yeah, but at a

certain point, Awesome Powers must have inspired James Bond. Do you know what I'm saying? No, exactly, there's no Skyfall without spire, Lily. I think the sexuality of Awesome Powers is also like exactly on point, true to life like realism. Yeah, perfect,

Like that's how you feel. He's so horny, he's so shag oriented, like and you know what, Actually, I like forgot about this, but like one of the most like powerful, helpful like mechanisms of thinking in my life has been like when Awesome Powers loses his mojo, yes, and when he finds can we talk about this yet? Because I think about I think about mojo all the time. Yes, And I think gram Tell. I think my Heather Graham telling him while they're escaping the moon, like He's like,

what I mean, my mojo? And and and then she said something like and trust me, You're gonna get the girl. And I'm like, that's so Heather Ground we love And this actually is a big announcement. This I have an announcement, Heather Graham has won the last culture He says icon a ward. Um, this is amazing, Heather Graham, God, you deserve this and you would you join a very short list of people that have who wanted last year. Adele. You guys are coming to the awards, by the way,

I can't Oh, I can't announce it the fuck. I know that was scary, but you have to be You'll have to be out the awards. You warm. Okay, so, but might even nominated? Um, okay, so yeah, so pegram the mojoy like and then what what do you feel like? Wait? You know what's like? Probably the back? Oh yeah, so the mojo. So sometimes in your life you're just like, what's up with me? Ye? Wrong? And I like that you know what? Me too? No, but I think I'm now back. It's there, and it's such a thing of

like you lost it and it's coming back to you. Right. Sometimes your mojo is just gone and then you feel it come back and you're like, I'm randy baby, yeah, And it's so honest about it to you. He's like, I'm just not feeling good, right, And it's that's actually very like open, it's very sweet. There's something like he's a good model of masculine because you can't deny he is that man, you know what I mean. Also, he's he's gonna come forward and say like my mojo's gone.

And also yeah, is very vulnerable. Yeah dad, Okay, I was I was gonna say change the underway, but I was saying, Mike Myers, never been sex to your job. Then in that segment of gold Member when he's singing, daddy, wasn't there? Absolutely, And I'm like Mike Myers, Mike Myers, sexy. Can I also tell you one of my favorite parts of any of the whole franchise is ladies and tent of them mister bet Bakara and Elvis Costello. Do you get when you fall love Elizabeth Hurley like dancing on

the like bus? Yeah? I love so sweet? And also Elizabeth Hurley, I have an announcement to make you have one of the last tho reasons. I congratulations Elizabeth. You have never looked better. And you have a hot son too. Yes, and her son is like a model. Give it to him, give it to him. No, I've seen his acting and in order to win I kind of wanted you have to be a actress. Actress. Yeah, yeah, so you do.

Britney Spears and Goldmember in the beginning, sorry were chasing him. Yeah, they're they're in like a dance circle and they like circa right, and he's like doing this little thing. We remember the scene where he's in the golf cart trying to like get so funny. It's on us, right, no exactly. You know what I love about them too is that like I watched them and it's like the structure of

the movies really is it's like sketch, sketch, sketch. Yeah, it's every little set piece where it's like and here's the joke for the next few minutes, right, and then they move on and they're like, okay, so they're in the hot tub and you can't see the words. It's like that's the or it's like I think it's covering

his penis, right, he's pissing in the fountain. Always got me the like shadow they would do of like like like she was having a beat or he was having a baby and she was like, oh, like you know all that shit like slapstick. You know, yeah, it's fun. And of course, um gold Member was important culture because It's also teachable culture because a lot of little gay white boys at the time were like, I'm a whole lot of woman. And now you look back and you're like, oh, no,

that's you know what I mean? How many times did I say I was a whole lot of woman, like in the like about in the high school hallway? Like probably too many? Right? Right, Well, there's at hours to reckon with. Yeah, like we fully endorse it. No, not exactly, no notes, but notes. Wait, it's time to ask. Yeah, you asked Charlie Barday, It's now time for you to hell us what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? And I actually cheated and asked

him this question the other night. You're sort of having a conversation in the era where I thought this wasn't going to happen, wasn't sing And now everyone gets it wasn't actually right before I found out what I was dealing with, right right, And now, if you're a vocalist in the period and I'm looking at you in the eyes, I see you queen. Yeah. Um, now the world gets to know. Okay, I'm wanting to change because I'm inspired

by that. But I'm gonna sick with it, and for me, my true answer is Star Magazine, Jen and Brad divorce. Oh my god. Wow. Okay, So when you say that, do you sort of mean like when that that feeling of looking at like the supermarket rack and it being everywhere like like like that sort of tabloid culture. It's a tabloid culture. But we had them in the house. So it's like I really read Star Magazine every week

like you had him in the house. Yea. My mom had them, and I was like engaged and invested, do you know what I mean? Reader, Yeah, every whatever day of the week it was, it would come. Yeah, you were like I was like, let me check up, let me follow up. And also it's like there's a whole culture of like celebrity evaluation that happens there, right, Oh

my god, yeah, like like like like the fashion police. Yes, yeah, yeah, totally like because and it started there because it's like, I mean, this is the thing I show with my mom who I'm getting line within hi minute? Like where you guys, it wasn't actually all gonna be about my mom too. Well, oh my god, there's a lot to say. My mom and dad got divorced at the same time as him, and oh my mom has the same color hair as Jennifer andson sort of in a way. Yeah he can be do you know what I mean? Yeah,

that he's a man. He's older than me, so all the pieces are kind of Yeah, he had like a dirty blonde wife, you know what I mean, he had a dirty blond wife. My mom is gonna be like hey and this, this will be this will be a question that is too much. Yeah, there was no Angelina. Um, there wasn't Angelina. And my stepmom has um black hair like Angelina or brown hair. This is crazy, I know. So you have to understand me at age like nine or whatever, reading this and being like, okay, so this

is actually magic, Like I'm holding a magic book. Yeah exactly. Were you following, like what's going to happen to them? And what's gonna happen to me? Like exactly? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like this is the future, do you know what I mean? Like there were maybe a few steps ahead. So I'm reading it and I'm like, this is so it is a powerful document. Oh my god, it's actually like the Book of Spells. Yeah exactly, but data still with stepmom. Yes, So guess what it was not the

future because because it did it actually everybody wins. I remember being a few yeah, yeah, I remember a few years ago being so shocked that Brad and Angelina were going to get divorced. I just for some reason thought like maybe it was because after the whole Brad and gen thing happened. I then saw mister and miss Smith in the theaters and I was like, oh, well, duh, like yeah, they met each other's person like they so

clearly are soulmates. So that years later, when they stayed married for so long and had that big family and they divorced, I was like, now for it to be so ugly right, also so wild, it feels like off the like of That's when it started to be like what is happening with like wait with Star magazine, not

like this powerful thing? Maybe what I mean? Yeah, I had this other part of this where it's like the celebrity culture of like evaluating yeah and being like a little gay kid who is like, she does not look good in that dress. And I used to watch like Fashion Police and Project run Away with my mom and be like so critical. I was like I cannot believe,

like Jennifer Lehuet or that to the Oscars. Meanwhile, like at a time where I was like wearing green skinny jeans to school every single day, green like lime green skinny jeans and being like, she does not look good. I remember like there was a line that always appeared in Fashion Police and whenever something someone wore something fuzzy, I would I would have to put the magazine down right around and laughing. When anyone would say how many muppets had to die to make it? I would just

I would cry and scream laughing got you? Nothing got you funnier to me than a muppets for fashion? I would scream, cry, carry on thorough hands. I would be up in my bedroom daughter shouting. I think I think I'd run down to the kitchens and like wherever. I would be like, mom, mom, you have to read this. How many muppets I die to this? And it's just like, Okay, I'm not as gay as you, right, She's like I can't keep up with that, Like I don't want to

engage in that. There's no possible way this is as funny as you do story. I'll never forget this. Start man, maazine is involved. I think we were in Orlando. Important, see you soon, see you soon. We were staying off the property like Motel six. Um, we had to go to the grocery store to buy like, you know, instant noodles or something for dinner. Were family not me? No, no, no yet, sorry, yes, I gave you place. Not the time. It was like like two thousand and three or something. Okay, perfect,

Um we're in. We're in the check out line at the grocery store buying a bunch of like instant noodles for like those that was gonna be like our meal basically. And then um, there's a Star magazine at the checkout line. Jessica Simpson and Nicholache are on it, and my mom goes, my mom looks at this magazine cover and like has a look of terror on her face. And I know Mom wants the wrong and she goes that woman, I

can tell that it's not a good woman. He goes, I tell that it's not a good Simpson being like like like like looking seductively at the camera like and I think she like a lot of lip cloths on, so like it looked a little crazy. My mom was like, woman, that is not that that one that culture, and I've never been able like my mom had this visceral like spiritual religious eversion. She's giving channels. It was like my sister never like Mom, are you mom? Are you? Like?

What must you have seen? Right? I've never seen her like that. That woman, that woman can tell that a good woman. It was like a dark mark and what it was like a very Harry Potter, very Harry Potter, the dark Mark, the dark Mark, Baltimore is back. That was what the dark mark was, right, Well, this is in a world where we're talking about that when the when the stars the dark Lord and they got to each other and they go is it burning? And the

O they were like yes. It was like a sort of Homerotic moment where like the deaths were all like is yours burned? Definitely? Yeah, yours is so beyond beyond just the brad and gen of at all. What were other tabloid stories that you can remember latching onto or was it kind of that that's the one that's imprinted, because you know what else? I remember being actually not to be like self flattering, but I remember being pretty early on like leave Brittany alone, Yeah, like that narrative

and being like you know what, you back the fuck off? Yeah, being like this, like it seems like this is hard for and just really actually being like And also it was a moment where I had to step away, like at the Glee that which they were like her performance of Give Me More, which a disaster. It's like, you know what, like I thought, No, it wasn't relaxed about this, like I don't want this, and it really reveals such a pure heart to me. Thank you. And again it's

like they always like that. Yeah, but I found something in me that was good. Yeah, this is my thing a much Charlie. He has a genuine love and understanding of women. Sorry, no, thank you. People were going so hard on her, yeah, like oh she drove her baby on her lap. It's like she really wanted to do that. No, it's like people are literally it was like mean spirited and it was not right and it was good. I was like, I found something in myself and that was

an important moment. And that was an important moment. How do we how do we approach Brittany now? And we don't, to be honest, I think that's right. I think I think that what we what we have to understand is that we can be her fan. And she's got so much music out there and so much content out there that is to be enjoyed. And to ask her to who sort of approach like what she used to be

would be asked her asking her to re engage. No no, no, no no. And so I think like in terms of now, it's just like letter post let her post on Instagram like give a double tap or unfollow, you know what I mean, Like she doesn't care, she can't see it. If you can't do it with your heart, then it's like back away. Yeah, you know what I mean. Yes, you are right about him? No is that? What is that? What drew you to Charlie? What draw you to each other? What draw you to each other? You asked, how did

you start? Tell us now? Actually like at an open and then we like drift in a grocery store for like an hour after what grocery store? Like, yeah, Charlie makes you know, like it's like by the Rosemont, you know the one on the Oh, yeah, I know, I'm just genuinely ask but it was a Rosemont. Yeah, And it was not a gay mic. It was just like a bunch of little gay there were gay guys there and gay girls and whatever. I could never I could.

This is something like looking back, I don't think I could have done just like a straight mic, straight mics, and it really did like traumatiz it actually does like make you harder, like yeah, exactly because you are like I can't. It's actually such a crazy experience. It'd be like last at like the horrible open mic, you know what I mean. Yeah, And sometimes it makes you stronger, do you know what I mean? But you lose a tenderness, So do you feel like you and you're saying you

have lost you calloused a little bit because of that. No. I did a long period where like there was like a year where I was doing Mikes before I met Charlie changed where I didn't have like friends doing comedy. I had improv friends, but like I didn't have any I would just go to Mikes alone. I like Creak

in the Cave or whatever. I kind of like the anonymity of it it and the kind of you know, when I would there was no one there to see it, like yeah, whatever, But but then when you do have someone there and it's like it's horrible, then it becomes so fun. Yeah, you're in the back, You're like screaming.

You're like, it's kind of amazing. Well, I think we were very lucky because it was like we were very like held by each other and also like we started well, but you and I both had like we would like go our separate ways sometimes and like perform individually and

we would both have like horrific experience. Oh god, yeah bad, and then like but I also remember like because we came up in like sketch and improv, it was like this like gayer thing already because everyone was acting because everyone knew it was like stand ups also have to understand it's what you're doing in the theater. It's theater, and it's not totally you have to like you're on a stage. You're not too literally you're literally not cool for doing it, and you have to you have to

literally act like someone who is saying something. For one of the first times I said it, which is like complete theater, Like it's really to pretend. Yeah, it's so gay. It's so gay to pretend. That's actually really Coach number forty two, it's so gay to pretend. But I do remember like getting into comedy. I remember getting into you can say it. You could always say Okay, that actually makes another one comes out, that makes the rule a

super rule. But I remember getting into comedy pretty much because I wanted to be an actress, and I was like, I know, the acceptable way for me, as a still closeted person at nineteen to like get into the one question me is to say, well, I'm doing sketch comedy, and with the hopes of one they being I'm like, all right, night Live. You know. Being from Long Island, it's like a language that everyone can speak. Yeah. And so that's why I did no theater in high school

because it really day to me. You know, I didn't start doing anything until I was in whoa did you do theater in high school? It's really I really sports kid? No, really, Oh my god. I had a coach, Dad, Sure, that'll do it. I had a coach dad, I was and I was like, took it very very seriously, in almost like a gay way. Right, Yeah, you guys, seriously, the game is next week and if we're not gonna show up on time to practice, yeah, I recently ran into someone this is crazy. So I was captain of the

track team when I was like young. I was like, I was like a sophomore in high school. Sophomore it's usually juniors, yes, And like basically, I like I had earned the respect of so basically, like I remember, I'm a sophomore in high school. I'm captain of the track team. And my coach comes to me and says, hey, one of the other captains is not pulling their weight, and I need you to tell him he can't be captain anymore. He was a junior, he was the coach was not good.

So he was a junior, this kid, and he was like he was he did like events, he was like a high jumper. And also I intrinsically knew in my spirit that this was one of the only other gay kids at my high school. No, no, the other captain. So I had to do a gay kid. And I'm

telling you I had to as a sophomore. Oh, I had to walk over to him before practice and I had to be like, hey, Frank, I was and I had to be like, listen, coach has come to me and let me know that, like you're not really like get you're not giving captain And and I remember he was looking at me like he and in his eyes. He could see me, and he was like, why are you doing this? Don't do this, don't don't do this.

And I was just like, and I just feel like if you're if you don't want to be captain, like, don't be captain like and I was just like I started to start my heart started to break because he started to like cry a little bit, and I was just like, don't cry, don't cry, and all I all I wanted to do now. And what's funny is I'm in La like about a month ago, and I look over and I was just like, oh my god, and

he comes over. He comes No, he's so successful and so good and he comes over, he goes Matt Rogers and I was like Frank and I just like hugged him and all. And it didn't come up. And he's never bounced back from now you have to start, you like he's doing. But I'll never ever forget like my

straight coach who couldn't even take on the responsibility. It really horrible and my dad always had a bad feeling about him, and um so so I just remember like it was this heartbreaking thing of me needing to try so desperately to run status on this kid because I needed to prove to myself and other people that I was like good enough, tough enough, straight enough to like do this, and in the process, like, I feel like I hurt one of my sisters and I now and

now now sisterhood is of course number one for me, right and I but I'll never forget at that. It was like a symptom of being like a sports kid, as you had to be a little bit like tough, stupid. Why are you crying? Right? And I am such an I'm so mommy and not like that, but I want to be crying in theater so bad. All I wanted to do was crying in theater. All I wanted to do was try out for like the swing choir and like do all those things. But I didn't do any

of it. It's like, yeah, a lot of my girlfriends were in swing choir and like you know, did the plays and stuff, and they were like, Matt, just do it, do it, and I was just like I can't. I can't. And they were like I could tell they were like rolling their eyes and they were like, our gay friend can't be gay, right, And it's so tragic, legit. When

you described his eyes. It's very powerful. I remember looking in his eyes and no one looked each other in the eyes then, right or today right, And I was just like, I was just like, I've looked at it all. I've actually looked at all of you in your eyes this whole time totally. And now I can't, but I just remember like it was. It was so so many things were not being said in that moment that were like, yeah, so harsh. Right, It's like, oh, you're both communicant. You

can't you can't make the subtexts. Yeah, I mean like what I wanted to say was like, hey, I don't think either of us are having fun doing this. Do you want to go like blow each other yefirmed game fool around? And then and then you know what really sucked, right was afterwards I said to the coach. I was like, yeah, I did it. It's done. He's not good, he doesn't want to be captain anymore, but he still wants to

be on the team. It's done. And then and then he was like good, He's like yeah, and then he said he turned to my assistant coach and I remember him being like, the thing is like, I feel like I can't say it to him because like you know what I mean, Like it's upset and he's so obviously like you said that the coach in front of me, and I remember just sitting there and my my heart was just in my shoes. I was just like, oh, I was just like this is horrible and I'm complicit.

I can't believe it. And like at the time, I was so desperate to like code switch and fit in that, like it was like like party to this, like horrible, not just like this thing that guaranteed he went home and was so upset about and maybe remained upset about, but then for there to be stuff set about him, I was just like, oh my god, Yeah, the coach was your Star magazine and Frank was Brittany. You were alone, Yeah,

leave Frank alone. You don't know. God, it's seriously in It's also like it's so psychotic because it's like that was an adult right, literally, very much, very much so. But that's the thing is, it's like looking back now when you think back to teachers and we have conversations about this, because a lot of times this comes up, like because we talk about the culture that made us say blah blah blah, and it's like you return to that period and adults in your life at that time,

it meant nothing that they were adults. Their behavior, it's crazy, Like teachers, I'm sure your schools as well, like really did have clear favorites and they're like, what's the gossip. Oh my, she like hooked up with him, And it's like, why you're talking about a sixteen year old? Yeah, like back off, get away, get away. It's weird. It's weird. It's weird. I'm just repeating, but because I agree, it's like it's even weird. It's no exactly, get a job,

get away from her, Yeah, exactly. People people be posting that. Yeah, it's true. Like Bowen always talks about this one theater teacher he had that like ruin your life ruined. But oh oh, it's just it's like it's it's the person who like fucked you up, like made you feel like you were going to have to be a certain way

or couldn't do a certain thing. It actually also takes like a really long time to get past that, especially something like that, Like you know, I'm glad Frank is doing okay, he's doing so great, right, but I bet you it actually was like a long time. Yeah. I'm like, so you say whatever, but I'm sure it does take a really long time. Yeah, I was. Were we talking about this? I like didn't get into the improv groups and that I yeah, oh yeah, we were talking crayons laws, Yeah,

poker literally exact high poker. Hey, you actually are nailing it, yeah, because because I guess what, I fucking knew all of the groups we used to go to like not compete, we would sometimes like do festivals with them, and I can't believe you weren't in it talk about this and I did Acapella instead, which I didn't, like, no offense to the Acapella community. It's okay, But then I did stand up at college and like I was like, well

that's my thing. But it took me so long to get over the like church in my shoulder of like wow, like and truly like stills and not to animates me of like like how far I've come? Yeah yeah, And

it's like, okay, relax about that, you know, but don't relax. Yeah, are very deep, right, Well, you know one of my earliest wounds was when I went to go audition for the Danger Bucks improv group and Yu and Bow and Yang, and in our very first meeting, came over to me and said, hey, Matt, it's so great that I heard it. You're really funny, and so I guess what happens in there? And I got caught first rounds. Yes, I see what you got. You were frank in that moment, and you

were I was the coach. And then and then I stormed into that sketch audition the next day I got it, and then saw that one at the first party, and I said, you will never keep me down. Don't try, don't even try. And yet you did, and yet I did and I but then you have to learn from you. Then you become part of the acapella group and we're doing them a favorite with your gorgeous tone. Well I just didn't Yeah. Well, I'm like talk about it because

I'm like, I don't want to be like yeah. But my thing with yeah, my thing with it was I was always like, why don't we add an instrument? This might sound a little bit better, Like why are we trying to do this song? Like I know it's like we're trying to like approximate a guitar sound, right right, this might work a little bit better, Like acapella is an amazing way to prepare for a world in which

if something happened, odd forbid instruments anymore. But thank god it hasn't happened, right exactly, So use them all you got them, and keep practicing. But we don't need to listen to It's likely do it in the bunker in the morning in right. Have you guys explored on the po at the show? Are the pod this like this idea a long time ago? Yeah, I think we talked

about acapella. My thing with it now is I was remembering that I was in choir in high school and I was like, oh, that was actually amazing because that's music that's designed for just voices and it was so And that's also very like ego less art because you're like, really, I'm just one, and if you stand out, your choir teacher is like that someone in the tenors, it has a little bit of a nasal tone and you're like, sorry, it's for the many. Yeah, it's very cool because you're like,

I'm just I'm here to help. Yeah. The idea of blending, blending, it's so powerful, and that's not like that so much in our work now, No, especially as such a soloist. You know what I'm saying. I had to learn powerful distinct residence. Are you talking about Arlie? Are you both of you? Both? It's I'm talking about both of us all the time. Scalist say we, I mean I say When I say we, I'm talking about men. When I say I, I mean, I mean you get it right,

Charlie's in that. You were talking about yourself, and I'm like, right right, I'm in there no problem. When I say that, I mean me and now pronoun joke A pronoun joke. I like, yeah, hey, And they said we couldn't find a way, right, we did? Not hateful pronoun joke? How about that? Here's what I'm saying about it. That's what's up with you? Guys's with you? Guys? Wait? What's up with my guys? Um? Wait? Can I see me about vocalists?

It's also about Wicked. Oh yes, I just saw Wicked, Oh my God on Broadway for my birthday for Broadway? What did you think for Broadway on my birthday? Um? It was one of the best experiences of my green I'm wearing green obviously, but it was so fun to see the ensemble members get their one little moment to sound cuckoo crazy, like they're blending, they're so perfect, it's all whatever, and then they're like, oh, here's and it's like, whoa, whoa,

you got a particular voice on you. We didn't know that you could sound so you that you could send it, you could send it send. I ask you a question, because this actually is the most This is how I think you can tell if a production of Wicket is worth its salt. What did Madame Morrible give when she said wicked? What was it giving powerful? Was it giving vocal quality? Was a giving going forward or break? Yeah?

I did want to say that I found Madame Morrible as wonderful as she was an actor, to be a wittle city like, I think that's a really dark character, you know what I mean, just wasting the wait to quote Hamilton, quote, you know, to quote Hamilton? Have you have you do? You know who's playing Morrible in the movie, Michelle? Yeoh, she's not giving, she's not being whittle silly. It's giving imperious. Wait,

I'm obsessed with that. Natalie's like my one note exactly, And don't worry because in the film that will last for all of time on celluloid. It's being performed a different way. Good, can I can? I can? I can? I give a spoiler? Actually, and like I think there will be some technics. No, no, no, no, because you just did. I was in the room. I don't think you can say this whatever it is, I'm just gonna do a line. Okay, okay, we can cut it out. But this is how Michelle Yo said it in one take.

That's do you think that's spoiler? Do you think we're gonna have to bleep it out? But but but I don't think. I don't think I don't think we should. I don't think we should think. I don't think that. I think that's okay for I think that's a perfectly sized thing from bleeping it is one of the funniest ideas I have. I'm gonna say it again, bleep it again. I don't care she goes cheers like this is so funny. Don't bleep this. But one just said fag faget and

and people are gonna cheer in the seats. I would be a fin so much. Michelle said, do you see that gazelle? Brian just went for it. Yeah, wait, we were talking about this yesterday, but that's all culture number ninety eight here you see it just went for it. Now he's talking about Gazelle Bryan on Reasonably Shady. I'm gonna play it god, or have you guys watched Potomac

it is? I don't think Charlie to learn about it through now, Yes, yes, I hear about it, like secondhand you went celest This thame was celest like, we won't watch Potoma but it was Celestia should watch it. But it is such a gift in my life to hear Natalie talk about Real House fives. Oh, because now it'll be like I'm like, I'm I'm sitting down, I'm ready, let's go, and they'll be like, okay, okay, here it is,

and we'll just do a whole episode. Bryant saying the fsler on her podcast Reasonably trad Here we go talking about talking about I'mjesse Smllett. So what he did was the case you guys don't remember? Was he stage stage? I hate crying. So they were supposed to put a noose around his neck. They're supposed to call him baggett or gay gay empire fae. I like the people. This is not because she's deciding if she should say it or not. It's just remembering it. I don't think so.

I think I think the lotus is. I think so many things are happening, she's just remembering it. She's bailing on it yea through and then she is playing dumb at the end. Yes, it's also it's it's what Gizelle doesn't every sing. You can also hear Robin Dixon a little bit and then back being like, oh replies on that tweet, and it replies on that tweet. It is they do post up. Kelly Osborne on the view that moment after mister Trump, No, no, in the sense that

Kelly I went for it. Absolutely, you guys try to go for it. Do you like no, I'm I'm but I had for a really long time. Well, I like that the gizl has like a real levity to her, Like she'll just like be like laughing at everything, and I like that. But I do think it's it's a mass, it's a ask, yeah, and it's a little like her like other people's business like is funny to her. And at first it was like ha ha, and then it was like, wait, that's like someone's life. Yeah, it's it's

officially um what is it? What do you call it? Um? When something has gone too far? Sharks? Is that what you mean? It's officially like gone gone too far? The shark um bridge the gap. No, come on, there is a thing. You're getting a lot of good as all good could use them gone to what? What? What? What? What is? What is it? God? It's not as um. This is officially God must it's cuckoo. Anyway. We don't like, we don't like Giselle. We're actually on recordiz saying I

know that word. We hate Giselle. I not gonna rect because that was the episode, but I'm here to say, at least for me, Jazelle Bryant is a person I hate and I don't use that and Robin together, I think is like a full bull. It's not good. It's not good, and it's actually well, we're very team Candics all the time, Like we actually celebrate Candidas. Wait, we've had on the podcast, We've had doctor. He's been a Candids. Candice did win the Record of the Year award at

the last Culture Ratist Awards. So yeah, yeah, drive back back to the way. Drive back is on repeat, repeat, repeat, across a million screams on Spotify. Yes, so, I was just talking to my friend name about like we haven't had it's a very rare thing to have a housewife like you have Candy who like obviously has like musical background, but a housewife who starts as a housewife and enters the musical space. Yeah, and it's like not a joke, like like wait a minute, and like she's so it's

just like it's a it's a rare thing. It's very it's really rare, and we are supporting all the way. And who knows, maybe at maybe at last Cold Piece of Culture Awards w mort com. All right, it's time, is it time? So it's time now for I don't think so, honey. This is our really sixty second segment that um we do weekly, Yes, on our weekly podcast Never Never not Happens up? Where are we? Dare you? Um? We rail against something and Cold we really go forward

against something in culture that should not be Um. So I do have something, okay, and it's gonna be a little controversial. I think, oh me too. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many as time starts yet I don't think so, honey, Mowanna again. I definitely don't think we need ma Wanna again. I think that we had Moana once and it was wonderful. I am on record for being like, is actual Maana a little bit slow? But act one half far ago? I love it. I

love the end. Lovewell did that gorgeous? Linmonwell did that just yet? But I will say that ma Wanna live action. It's not that I don't want to see it in in ten fifteen years. I don't know that we need it right now. It's really sad that also what's happening with Harry Potter. Another saying is going to be a limited series of Harry Potter um on HBO. It's like, guys, these things just literally just happened, and please, let's just

get a new idea. I also understand that it's a little bit I don't think so, honey, me even saying this because it's like we kind of get what we deserve as consumers, Like if we keep telling them all you want is the same thing, Like what do we expect? Like this is coming from someone who did see the Way of Water twice and didn't like it necessarily either, So I don't think so honey me and saying this,

but I don't think so honey. Mawana again and that's one minute, just because again again again, like I wanna fine wanna again. And in terms of mo wanna comma again, like I get that it's gonna be live action, and I certainly think that'll that'll be something to watch, and you know, we have Dwayne the Rock that's gonna be in it. But the thing is like I just feel like,

is it? Is it? Even though it would be fun, And I also know that so many millions billions of people love this movie and it means something to them, so like it's for them, it's four kids. I don't I shouldn't complain. I don't care. But it's also just like in terms of like just the business in general, it's like, okay, so now we're not even pretending that we don't care, like now we it's not even like we want the industry to be something good again. It's

just like we are only interested in money. And I guess that's my thing with Disney in general, is it's like, oh, you guys are just genuinely only about the bottom line in a way that's like completely out indisputable, like you can't even talk about it anymore. Wait. Someone was telling me this and I didn't verify because I thought it was funny or if it was true. Um, but someone was like the live action Lion King, because I was like, why do you think keep making these live action like

Disney movies? It look so bad and they keep doing them. And a friend was like, the live action Lion King and all those live action movies are like the top five, like highest grossing movies of all time. Yeah, they're up there. I actually was just because I literally just went on the site box officemojo dot com of course, because I just wanted to see like sort of what was up right, and I just wanted to see like what the highest grossing movies of all time were. And it's so crazy.

They're literally all like either the same thing or like some version of something else, right, you know what I mean. It's it's like Lion King two sixteen, but that one really was like top ten, wow, which is crazy because it's funny. Yeah, and that's like charl when I was high on marijuana down center and I laughed for an hour and now yeah, yeah, well I right, yeah's true. I told you that, and you were like, that is the funniest thing I've ever heard. Yeah, yeah, you can't

about one. But the highest grossing movies of all time are literally like The Star Wars New One, Avatar, Avatar too, the Star Wars New One, right at Lion King now Lion King, then Dress World, Rassic World, Dress Park. It is the last original story highest gross that, like, like broke Records, is that Titanic. Titanic is the only one in the top ten that's not like based on a franchise.

And even that, it's like Titanic is now like ip right, like they could literally do Titanic again, and I feel like, of course they did. Wait, that would be funny if they're from where it left off again what happened? We know what happened? Be the movie was in the future too, right, so Titanic even knew if it happened, Like it's based on newspaper articles, right, that's the real you know what? Really, probably they should do and I might as well just pitch.

It's like a limited series on HBEL called like Rose, which is just about like in six episodes. There's just different moments in her life like between her after Titanic and before she was old as hell, Like, get six different actresses to play her, my God and Kate do one of them? Kate like a way shoddy so that no one can take Also, wait, you need to do

before Titanic and after tan or just after Titanic. I think it's after Titanic and before she's old as hell and being like something at the at the pottery wheel. I think I thought I was thought I was iconic that she was at the pottery wheel. And then she's like because remember all those remember wattery when she's like local and when she's old potters the ancient times of course, but on a wheel. So when did we get the times?

But don't you think all those pictures like when when at the end wood dud dude, dude, which by the way, iconic, um that all those pitches of her like, yeah, it's just the horse that I remember. It could be a Last of Us episode three type episode about her finally getting on the horse and like having a love affair with the guy who teaches her how to ride side saddle.

And then at the end of the episode you see her look back at like the she's she's just postcoital, right, she gets out of bed, she looks over her shoulder at the little house where she's just sucked the guy, and she rides side saddle away And that's the end of episode three of my limited series Rose. Wait, can I make another pitch for that? Yeah? You want to

ride on the show? Yeah? Thank you? Okay, that's all. No, Um, I want it to be like Last of a Style, except it's old her, but she's actually surviving in a post character and she survived the whole time. I want to see that. I really like that. Yeah, and maybe that's actually like or that series two, do you know what I mean? Yeah, Like the first one is what you want, and then it's like we actually take it

in a really different direction. Basically you're just pitching, like me getting overthrown as like exactly what you're pitching is like, that's cool that you want to do that. And then I take your job and do a different shop. Right then I thought we were us. Yeah, I know we used to be exactly we broke up. Yeah, all right, so are you ready to do You're out and think so, yeah, I'm ready And remember this, you said this is gonna

be like incendiary and really rough. I just think it's gonna it's gonna you're gonna disagree with me, and then you're gonna agree with you. Can I say I'm using your pop socket all this is? I don't think so, honey, time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Skip AD someone worked really hard on that, and it's actually, wouldn't you rather be like be like, have to have it be upfront that it's an AD and not not have it be products placement? Like if I see skip AD,

I know it's an AD. But if I don't see skip at and I'm watching something and there's like a Durist Cell battery like being like shoved in my face, then I'm like, is this a commercial for Durist Cell? It's actually skip ad. It's actually a blessing in the current media Landsky because because it's very very very spared. What this is? Everything else these days like like like ads are actually good. It's mad. It's bad. It's bad

that we're being marketed to bloo boo boo boo. But it's like if if I see an AD on Instagram or TI, I go, oh, okay, this this sucks. This interrupts like, you know my experience, but at least I know what this is and I can just move on. But I think I think we're we're teetering into dangerous territory now where everything is an AD. But if you see skip bad, then you know, you know, you know

what it is exactly. Okay, that's one minute. I understand, Yeah, I got I actually don't think anyone no. But it's also like what Mats was saying that nobody gets don't just don't just throw I thought that was going down on the table like four Actually, you guys don't highest grossing movies of all time. It's like Matt was saying about, like you teach the media how to treat you, Like the more we skip AD, the more they're gonna be like, fine,

we'll pay for the movie itself. That's so true. So it's maybe like musical maybe season three of Rose is I think for sure the Great Musical Episode. Definitely there's one episode of God, what is your relationship with the Great Anatomy musical episode Disappointment? I think you came over to my apartment to watch it, to watch it, and we were all like, are you gree as anatomy culture. No, not even when it was good. No, what do you

It's okay. I watched like a lot of TikTok, like South Park clips where it's like over a subway surfer. Oh my god. I haven't watched a full episode of TV and maybe fifty years totally watches like clips clips. I was like American Dad Best of Roger twenty minute compilation. Never watched an episode of My Life creature. I'm like a YouTube creature. It's horrible. It's a more efficient way of watching. Yeah, well, I'm like, I want the best of Roger. I went like Roger, like all of his

female personas all at once. I don't want to wait. I want to get them. And we have that technology now, I actually I have to come forward. And that's like me with like Abbot Elementary. I'll watch like best of Ava Yeah, and I'll watch Janelle coming in and slang and I'll be like I love yeah, oh my god, and and and you do. There's many different ways to consume, right, Yeah, Well, it's like what like TV shows are like clips? Do

you know what I meant? Well, it's funny because then sometimes I'll watch stuff and I'll be like, oh, I actually know what happens in this episode. Yeah, that I watched now over like forty different compilations. It's probably so surprising, right because I'm like, that's where they were, that's where they were going. There, I have no idea he revealed right exactly. It's literally nonlinear. And then you have this concept that you're a fan of a show, but you

actually like, I don't. I think the number of episodes of the Office I've seen in full, it's probably like six or seven. But I was so invested. Of course, when Jim and Pam kissed, I was like, this was a moment I had waited for for years, and I was just like, no, you saw a flip of it happen on television. We're told that we stand and I was like, me too. I actually I think we all

are gym and pans all want to thank you. They find and it's like, first thing, I'm emotional, the first thing Rachel and rom like, well they won't they and weren't they on a break or what? It's like I've never seen it, right, No, I believe Yeah. I mean Friends is one of those shows where even if you haven't seen it, you literally have it like Seinfeld, right,

even Charlie, I've seen Segfeld. Yeah. But actually, by the way, there's a lot of I've seen mostly clips, right, and that since I've seen it so and then I've seen a few episodes with my grandmother back in the day, so I have like, you need actually one full episode to get the rhythm, and then once you have that, oh, you're good to go with the clips exactly, You're like, okay, so that's probably this part of the episode. Like, now that I know the structure, I can just like, yeah,

I'll be cracking up. When Elaine is getting ready to say something. She'll be like, well, it's so true, and I'll be like that this is gonna be good. Oh my god, Julia Emmy Seinfeld is the most nonlinear show, maybe because you can't cut together episodes from what you watched with your grandma to like a YouTube compilation and it will make sense. Yeah, it does work. It works.

I remember amazing seeing in that Hearing and that Scissors song, that scene where Elaine and um, mister Seinfeld they're talking about if they're gonna have sex, and I had never watched it fully and like heard that was like why Yeah. They had this whole kind of really horny plotline if you choose to look at it that way, where it was like they have casual sex a lot, and they they just have conversations while they fuck, and I'm like,

that's so hot, it's pretty queer. I recently watched a porn where I recently watched a porno um where a guy was just like riding someone's dick and they were just talking to each other about their day, and I was just like, why is this so incredible? I love that. It's like villains villains, do you know what I mean? Oh, I am putting something like really private about my like psychual psyche um like villains, like they don't even care what they're doing. Oh yeah, he'll be shooting a gun

and be like what's for breakfast? Oh yeah, but not to them. Yes, that's really good. I remember it can be like sex is that casual, It can be that casual, but they're friends, and then that's actually what started the gay community, right, you can be friends and have that right, really cool And with that, so I guess Natalie did the first cult culture, so Charlie should do the first t them think, so, yeah, I agree, and that way goes around the table too exactly, and so like Clow,

it only took me directionally. What was happening? We always have no clock. It's like and left and right like that has never gotten easier, like no, or for you guys, or well you don't never got no, I don't, but I do it in my head. Takes me a little bit. But left and right is literally really hard. Yeah, it's like what's the difference? Do you know what I mean? Like what do we have to go on? The only reason left and right exists is because, like you, because

human beings have like two shoulders, right what I mean exactly? Literally, yes, yeah, I'm like losing you guys pretty hard. It's funny that the two smarties, I honestly think what's happening is you guys are trying to play pinky and you don't get it, Like you know, friends like Joey will say something and it's like how do you get through the day? Like they're trying to make you look so stupid? Like do you know what I mean? But it's like, well, whatever do you any way to target you? I feel my

friend's target me. I feel, I feel, I feel targeted by my smart friends all the time, Like I have to hang out with Boone and study like all the time, and sometimes they'll look at each other and there, we don't do that. Now, they don't do that. Do you get a little kick out of it? Yeah? Sometimes I love being the clown. Yeah. And then sometimes you play it up so much and you're like, they think I can't like time, my shoes, oh the droet beany thing

where it's like they actually over wrote it a little. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is now. This is Charlie's I don't honey, okay, um, Charlie, our day here is gurt. I don't think so, honey. Your time starts now. Okay, I don't think so, honey. The thing when movie posters the names of the actors are not over the actors, that is, oh my god, confusing for me because guess what that's not Jessica Chastain. No,

and you're seriously confusing everybody in the subway station. Look, I'm in a position where I've been like privileged enough to know from like my background and experiences who Jessica Chastain is right, But not everybody can say that. And if you're putting Jessica Chastain the picture underneath the words that say Diane Keaton. Someone is going to be like, that must be Diane Keaton labels. You're putting it over a picture. Look, I get that, Like the whole thing

of it is like it's probably contract negotiation. So it's like Jessica Chastain is like, well, like it made sense for her on the poster to be on the right, but she's actually like she gets built first, so she's on the left. You know what you need to like like that doesn't matter to me actually, and left to right is not like a real hierarchy, So Jessica, it's okay for you to be on the right. This is confusing that everybody words should go with their pictures. That's

one minute. That is so this is what they did with Charlie's angels in the photo it's it's it's Drew, Cameron Lucy and then on the top it's Cameron, Drew Lucy, switch Cameron and Drew. It's not that it's like it doesn't matter like the it's like whatever, just like put them there to those actresses, right matters? So right, and that's that's that's the crazy. But the crazy thing is who's first in the names is different? Is the different hierarchy than allegedly then who is middle of a tree?

There's visual who is in the middle. Visually it's it's it's satisfying for the eye, I think because she's I don't know, like, but there's nobody getting style like someone in the center and someone who's first and left most I would really left to right, Like that doesn't read as a hierarchy to me. I'm not like, oh, it's first, Cameron Diaz. I'm like, whatever, you're all on top? Is that if you're top left on the on the poster, that means you're top building. You're really Yeah, you're the

queen of the movie. Yeah kind of. This literally was big news actually when when Charlie Dane Wass even came out, because it was like, Cameron Diaz was paid like twenty million dollars for that movie and was top build and then twenty million. Yes this is back in the day when she was commanding twenty mili and so Drew Barrymore was a producer on the movie, so made money that way, but only was paid like twelve point five because of

her commanding power. And then Lucy was paid way less. Wow, even though even though they were all doing an equal Yeah, like maybe who's the protagonist a little bit, but like not really, it's like a three hander. It's Charlie's Angels. But at that time, like Lucy Lou was not a quote unquote movie star in the way that like Cameron

was and then secondarily Drew was. So it's it's a thing though, like the lawyers are going back and forth right to like make sure their client gets like and by the way, it's like your storytellers, like why don't you tell an honest story of like I'm on this poster and Lucy Lou, Like that's what this is about. Like they're abandoning craft. They're abandoning the craft to be like, oh, it's like you've lost the plot here. We want to know who Drew Barrymore is first and foremost. That's the

story of the poster. Yes, yeah, it's really I don't like that sometimes too, like if you can tell it's like a it's like a situation where they were like we don't want to do that, like if and it's a true two hander, like you'll get a thing where on the on the one title card. They both come up at the same time, Like I've noticed that that. It's like that with the other two. It's like Drew

Tarver and Helena York like not one is not over there. No, They're like, we're not doing this where it is equal. It is equality, and it's like the way like the work will stand out, like you can put your name first, but it's like if you're not serving like first person, you won't be remembered. Yeah, I'm sure there's examples of that one. I mean, have you have you seen the movie in a Question with Jessica chats Stand and Diane Keaton. No,

And I don't even know there. I just can't. Just don't because you know what I think one by THEE there was one that came out recently. I think it was Clared Armageddon Time, and it was like it was like Anne Hathaway and Jessica chat Stain, Yeah, And I believe it was something like that where I was like, Okay, are they sort of insinuating the Anne Hathaway It's just like a chat Stain because that's my gay ass and

I'm telling you that ain't her. Yeah, but I remember watching and I was like, yeah, one sleigh is harder than the other. First of all, what a hard conversation I have. So I do forbid, God forbid, literally, god forbid. I wouldn't slayed different, not harder, just different. Yeah, they were wearing different wigs, which set them up for different sleighs, right, exactly, the wigs. That's the slave. You have to like be honest about that when that happened. Yeah, and it's hard.

It's a hard conversation. And also it's like when you're looking when you get the script for Charlie's Angels, and it's like you are all turning the page of the table read. I mean you're like you're like sort of in a slag contest. Yeah, oh, you have to sort of like because that movie is actually a really good example of the all three of them equally slay. It really is remarkable how it's equal slag, totally slay or lane. Yeah,

Like they are perfectly cast. Cameron dis as like earhead genius dancer, Drew Barrymore as like fucking Stoneer Macgoner, like I could give a fuck, but also I kick your ass and I'm super smart and I'm like that and I'm gonna suck Tom Green because that makes me horny and the smart bad at cooking and like whips chains leather, but also it sucks. Joey Tribbiani likes them and just like cold hard numbers, like love it. That's scene where the guys have her across and she's like, h no,

it's so good, Lucy. The best line of the movie. Flip your hair? What flip god damn hair? Moment culture. Actually it's actually a moment of culture. What that was a moment of That was a moment culture. I'm telling you, Oh my god, that so thank you so much for that. I don't think so that was really good, no problem. You know what I've realized right now, I think I don't think so Honey Live was like before. I think before our guest time. I think I did you one

the way I did cars. All right, it's good. Did you feel like did you feel on the night one? Great? Yeah? I feel like it. Well, I think I like everybody what I said, everybody that is like, you guys create a space where everybody's slaves. That's very nice. That is the dream. I don't I don't know if we always achieve Yeah, and we knew that going into the podcast. We were like, oh my god, we're nervous, and was like, you know what, they create a space where everyone the

people we talked to you who I've done it. We went to our elders and they were like, they really make it so that you feel so comfortable and like you feel like you're doing well. I mean, we love you guys, say, got sure, can I do the thing that I've heard people doing this podcast? I'll do it

really fascinated. And then and then I'm going to create a show that Charlie takes over and we'll do better than yeah, and then we'll do the Fungus season that There have just been certain times when I've been feeling low that I have turned to this when I'm like when I'm like things are just like messy in my head and I'm like I just need something and entertaining that hits like it has to be something that keeps me entertained because I don't really like the other stuff

that I'm thinking about right now. It's you guys, and you really do it in you you know. I literally was like I was so excited that you guys were coming on because I genuinely like, I mean I'm I'm actually, that's like one of the reasons why I want to move back is because there's like people here that I feel like I have to know. You and Richard Perez at a moment the other night, well, I sort of went over there and I was like, listen, hey, YouTube, I tell us the less. You two have a similar

energy where Richard. You and Richard are both good at like coquettish like yeah, you know, like I really I really respond to Richard. Oh my god. Rich first of all, talk about a genius. I mean that video of them getting fucked perfect every video, everybody out video. What I loved. What I loved about it was every the sudden like laugh, like crying a little bit, Like I was like, you really are like the most personal like glimpse into getting

fucked like like just like the whole thing. I was just like, I feel really really did this thing the other day that was like a certain way of walking and I saw I was like, so you see everything, Yeah, you know you know what it was. It was like celebrity walking from the restaurant into their car and it was like hitch perfect. Was it like head down, a little bit down for a little bit of that and like, bag, wait you the brothers I'm saying is performer exdin I

see it. Um, we see each other as a break I see you. No, No, that was Candy. Candy Burris had a two who we miss? Yeah? Is that Avatar too? I see you, I see you as one, but I see as well as well as see another great tune, one of the great. You will always be famous. Natalie. Natalie is Nalie Rotan. I don't think so many of your time starts now, okay, it's Housewives one. Okay, okay,

this is I don't think so, honey. When you're binging a Housewives series and you get to the part where the women found out about by Felicia, there's no franchise that doesn't touch every single franchise you're watching through it's twenty ten. You're just watching like an amazing scene where it's like you talked about my marriage. I would never do that to you, like my marriage is off limits, and the other person's like you did, just can't want

buye Felicia. You're like do a little gasp, and then it's like a scurche, Like there's no woman who doesn't say it there's no franchise doesn't touch. And it got to them and it fits so perfectly with what they need to say to each other, which is like you're done, you know, and am And as soon as it comes, it goes, and it never feels good. And I don't know when Bye Felicia hit the culture, but it's obviously like a year later it hit them. Yeah, I love

you guys. Wait didn't it just happen on Miami? First of all, get out? I want to say, you have to watch I watched a few of Miami with Celeste, watched an episode, but also didn't. Where are you guys getting together to watch Celeste's house? You guys go over to Selst house and watch Miami. This is what happened. We would do that whenever you're in time, we watch the house lives together and the most But bo, where did Felicia just happen? I think Felicia Survivor you're thinking

of surviving? Oh it happened on Survivor just now, yes, yes, jet where someone said by Felicia to Jeff Right, someone said bye Felicia and to another contestant, and then the contestant was was like, well, I guess I'm Felicia. Someone was surmising that they were going to get voted out and they were like, and Jeff, I think that I'm

Felicia tonight to like Deconstructor. Yes, And all of a sudden, you know, there's lots of talking on the beach, like everyone's scattering and that Survivor right and tonight, I'm afraid I might be Policia. Tonight I'm Felicia. And then Jeff is like, well, if you're Felicia, what do you do? Like TB Council, you're Felicia, Carolyn, what do you do if you Felicia? Jeffer? And there's this crazy woman Carolyn on the season who literally tolts like this and she's

gonna win the show. If you're not watching Survivor this season, you're not doing dragule. It's actually super rule culture number one one. If you're not watching Survivor season, you're not Why why didn't you? Because Natalie wasn't doing it? And I was like, maybe can you do your avoids again? Well I want just sitting there and they're talking about and when I'm telling you, she's playing by far the best game. Oh my god, part of the game when

when you watch the show. First of all, there's never been a season of Survivor that doesn't start like, oh, sixteen Survivors, Like, they didn't do that. This This season opened on this woman's confessional and they're like, so, tell us your name, and she goes, just tell you my name and they're like, yeah, like tell us, tell us her name, tell us you want to get to know you. She goes, We're okay, and then it was like and

then this season started. But when I'm telling you this is never and I'm telling you, like, Carolyn, get out there yet, and I'm like from water Like part of me is like, are they fixing it? Because they know they have like a star and they're like, Caroline, they might. They know how to make that show with this. That's the thing. It's not like it doesn't matter if we're in the wild West, which a Survivor. They're producing a

reality and they know a star when they see one. Yeah, I mean the casting team Felicia, Felicia Jeff I might be in his tone. So are you feeling Felicia? How many people do feel like Felicia Jeff And after tonight Felicia don't live here, no mom thatch, which is a sort of remember that one every Every Housewives does the boy by Felicia. I was scared. I think I drowned the most today. But it's not a competition, huh nothing,

I think I don't think so many. I was like really hyping it up in it and guess what didn't And Lane, I think the four of us did slay our slay in our own lane. Fla lay in your own lane. You love that. I am feeling tired and that's why I'm like bowen Yang is feeling tired. Everyone. It must be Tuesday. Shut up. No, I'm not gonna stop, and I don't have to come in here on the first episode. You ever come in here and say stop stop? Um? Well, wow, this has been an absolute and you believe that we

had to sort of fight to make it happen. Yeah, but good things are worth fighting for good? Can we say? Charlie before we hit record, Charlie went, I might have to go take a pea break, and we said, and you guys said, no one had ever done that. No one happened. By the way, I need to go to the bathroom so bad. You Yeah, By the way we're gonna end, but no problem. We never want this time. Do you have a small black don't? Yeah? You do? You peel a lot? Yeah, and you do not love it? Yeah? Yeah,

I love it. So I love the feeling of it, and I love the feeling of sneezing too. I hate I hate coughing, throwing up. I don't think you should be a lot to sneeze around other people because it's so sexual. Oh my god, wait, it is the same like pleasure, right, Like you're like, am I gonna am? I gonna? Am I gonna? I like? So I tutor? So I like, and I've been sneezing a lot and what like allergies. Yeah, but I relaxed, understand, Yeah, thank you.

Or like when I sneeze, I too on tutoring. I like when I sneeze, I just can't help but teachum. But it's like, because I'm on zoom, I'm like, let me not sneeze directly into the microphone. I'm gonna like mute myself. So thoughtful. Yeah. And then recently what happened is I was like, oh, I'm gonna need to sneeze, and then I accidentally muted the kids. I was talking, so the vibit was. I was like, can you shut

the fuck up for one second? And then I sneeze into the microphone because when you're here, by sneeze, yeah, it's gonna be so beautiful. And then also I can't You can't un mute someone else when you're on zoom. So I basically like muted someone sneeze, and then I had to be like, can you Oh my god, was like,

I have something important. I know you're talking about the problem at hand, and they're like you and the onus is on them to un mute them, right right, And I have to ask have to be like, hey, sorry, so I actually made a mistake and I muted you instead of myself. I took away your voice. I took

away your voice. Yeah, oh my god. Well I'll tell you whose voice we did not take away these two And I feel we're gonna grasp pans one more time and just say this was so fun and so wonderful and it was one of our favorite episodes we've ever done, ever, ever, ever and song and if you know the song, you're welcome to join in. And by the way, go to their show on April thirteenth at the Bellhouse and also Exploration Live Wednesdays. Somehow fine you and die lidde do

wait hold on is it? Do do do do do? Or do do do do? Do? Wait? Oh? Go lower. I am finding the lower harmony lately, and it's been shocked. It's actually harder than the upper harm because can I say something, I'm a man apparently, and I guess I have to sort of be on the lower to be comfortable everywhere, to stop put it away a bitch, yes

to go. I was gonna say this, which is that we all want I think as gay guys, you want to be a soprano or an alto and you have to reckon with It's like sometimes you're a baritone and actually, like when you're choosing karaoke songs, you can't always do the ones that you want. No, I've always I'm limited, but I've always and that's what set me apart from other game in a counter an, what you can do when you stand, deliver and use your I'm gonna say pelvic floor of doom. It's like and like it is

really wild. And then then moments where we used to sing let me be your Star Alive which was a large part of our sort of live performance career. I was always shocked when you let me do the high harmony of it, because you can do it. Yeah, but you are a natural star. Everyone here is slaying, and they're laying bye bye