"You Can't Tell Me Anything" (w/ Trixie Mattel)

you welcome to the stage? One division? Dision? Okay, we don't know who that is that voice from beyond We'll get don't know. Yeah, no one reads the titles before they listen. No one. Kristen Stewart, tell me what you thought about one Division. Supposedly, Um, all of the reviews that are coming in are saying nothing happens in the first two episodes. It's all set up, And I'm like, I get that, but I also right, but I also love the fact that you have Elizabeth Olson turning in

with a really good performance. She's so good. Martha may Martha, Mama Mama like that the Mama, Mama, Mama. I didn't seem that either. But you know what we both saw in love was Ingrid goes West, Anger goes West. She's so fucking, so fucking good and also she's so talented, and I said to you, you should pitch her to host SNL because I bet she would turn it. Well,

you you bet your ass. While Katherine Han and Tiana Paris were on screen with Elizabeth, I was like, let me text someone at work right now and be like you guys got to reach out to Elizabeth. And when Boon Yang text, it gets sent. All right, here's the deal. Um, she actually is really fucking good, and Catherine Han is perfect every time. When has she not been perfect? I can't tell you. I cannot tell you. I ever since Steps,

ever since Stepbrothers, ever since Anchorman. She like, you know, you know that the scenior Anchorman where Christina Apple get like nails her first time anchoring solo and they cut to like the women in the Office. She Kathernan is on the side being like you yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you win the pointing. Also that performance is so good and she killed it in and of course Stepbrothers we love, but you know shook me. No, I actually didn't watch I love Dick sorry Amazon, um, but you know what

shook me so hard like an earthquake. You know how an earthquake shakes you often. This shook me almost equally so. So when Revolutionary Road came out, I was sitting for like, you know this like bracing drama. And then there was Catherine Hans serving up suburban domesticity. The repression was real

but still funny and charming. And then she has like a crying scene at the end where RelA, which we love, she can legitimately do it all and just to see her step into this, like because I thought Elizabeth Wilson was doing like fifties scom of it all well, and then she comes in and was so that like sort of ethel and I love Lucy sporting character woman that it just sorry, I love Lucy that she just rocked

in that she can do everything everything. I feel like we've talked about this and this is true, like Boomer leanings on the show coming at you, But like I do feel sad for the youth today, like they haven't seen it or who who just aren't like guided towards that, like the algorithm never like surfaces that stuff up to them anyway. Who cares well. This is what we'll say to our very gen z crowd. Please seek out. I love Lucy, you will love this great show. It's got

this woman, fabulous woman. It's got a woman. That's all you need to know. It's got a woman. Okay, speaking of women, Um, we got a fucking hell of a woman on the show today. This is actually Bow And our guest doesn't know this, or I would be hard pressed to believe that if they come on in a second and be like, no, I knew that they were telling the truth. This is not our first interview with the guests, our first interview. This is not our first interview.

And you barely remember too when we were working at Vulture, what was that thing that the room you booked in in like the East Village? Was that app called oh, I booked a breather. We booked a breather for our interview with Trixie Mattel, who the night prior had been

crowned the winner of All Stars three. And got on and did a twenty minute interview on the phone with Trixie Mattel, and we were like sort of skittering tittering around the room, all nervous because it was like, see congrat like we were truly supplicans, supplicants and we were simply suppling, so we were we were literally So I just remembered that the other day. It feels like another

lifetime ago. But I mean, this is a guess that I think probably was aspirational the entire time we've been doing the podcast, and then we thought, well, we can't ask because she'll never say yes. Cackle the cackle. Why do you think people are always like, um, I feel like, girl, you're just everywhere right now. I'm like, because they say yes to everything because it's easy. It's going along with

Trickie Mattel, not hard to get the next special. Um, but wait, so before we sort of bring the guests in, uh no one knows who it is yet bowing at home, they to hear about the credits. I don't know why they can go through like the weird sort of like behind the curtain stuff of like, let's not bringing our guests yet. I feel like we can experiment with the form going forward, and I think Trixie is like pushing us to that better place, Like don't you think the

readers know who the guest is? When they tap on the damn episode. I just want to put that out there. I like the pump in the circumstance. And in keeping with the pump in the circumstance, let me say this truly disgusting, offensive list of credits and this and and I'm gonna do it because this is psychati. I love ship like this. By the way, I know people are supposed to be like, well, I'm embarrassed. I love it. Let me know. I know you love it. I know

you love it. And it makes me a combination of proud and matt to say that tricks even tell who has the Guinness Record for world's skinniest human woman in North America, because after competing on season seven of RuPaul's Drag Race, went on to as probably the audience well in those win Drag Race All Stars three. But that's

only a small part of the story, Bowen Yang. As you know, and we talked last night after a rewatch of moving parts the Netflix documentary starring Trixie mattell Um, that it's so rare that like we have like, yes, this drag Race contestant, that's a successful drag Race contestant, But then what they've done outside the show so dwarfs that I mean incredible singer, songwriter, comedian and drag icon.

I have to tell you. After giving Barbara the album that was released last year a few more spins, I went online. I was like, I wonder if this is on vinyl. It is on vinyl tomorrow. The other albums, Two Birds and One Stone, you can stream them on Spotify or you can order the goddamn vinyl like I did. I'm so excited. And don't forget the Moving Parts soundtrack,

which has songs that are exclusive to the documentary. And as they say in the community, say that you might also know or not know that our guest is actually a New York Times best selling author along with Katia, their comedy partner, Trixie and Katya's Guide to Modern Womanhood is Avilable Now. You might also know them from the Trixie and Katia Show from Viceland, the web series and the podcast The Balls in the Beautiful also with Katia

Zama Lokova. Like we mentioned that the Netflix documentary Moving Parts earlier, she's also the CEO of Trixie Cosmetics and host this season of The Pit Stop on The Driver's YouTube channel, and he happens to be gay. He happens to be gay. Oh, there's the last. The most recent episode of the pit Stop was really interesting. Yeah, because there was We don't really have to get into it. I love She's such a messy bitch. I really love it.

But the way she was like dragging. We'll talk about it. Everyone. Welcome into your ears tricks. God, I am so privileged. I just love you both so much. We like he gotta stop, it's so far. I just love listening to you both. I love all your povs. I think you are equal parts critical of things in culture, and you equal parts try to see it all different ways. I just love you both. And Bowen, I have to say, your voice is just like it's so chocolate and like

I don't know something. No, it's so relis do you really are becoming a sex icon? And people have been noticing sort of around the world that you're a sex icon and it's really wonderful to see. Thank you. But you're you're both very, very attractive. And something about Bowen's boy because Matt usually hit the hysterics, the highs and lows they're singing, and then it'll be silent and Bowen will come in like blah blah blah blah blah blah, and it's like, I just want to take a shower.

In that that sounds. I would say that Bowen is the Trixie and I might be the Katia. The beauty of Trixie and CONTI is that any duo can sort of like trade off the identities. That's my opinion. That's well, yes, totally. It's sort of like a reverse because I'm sort of the straight man in that relationship and she's the whack of do even though she looks normal and I look beautiful, gorgeous, gorgeous, but she's just hard to pin down because her po

VM most things is very like logical. And then sometimes she'll peek. You'll she'll she'll lift the veil a little bit on a life experience and you're like, wow, yeah, yeah, the inside is right. There's one episode where I was like, did you ever have a pet that died? And she goes, I had a lizard that I burnt, And You're like what what? What? Oh my god? Wait, do you have you have I ever had a pet that died? No?

They all live forever. No. I mean, I'm a real country, so our pets are here for a good time, not a long time. You know. It's like like like checkers, back legs stop working, but the bet is so far away, like get the gun. I'm sorry, it is very that. I know that's awful, but that's what country people do

with their pets. I'm sorry. This is actually a question I often think, like with the whole putting pets down of it all, not that not that I'm like, not that I understand the reality, which is, let's take it out back. That is very country. But the thing is, like I've seen people like let their animals live on well beyond their years and the dog will literally be dragging its hind legs up the stairs and I'm like, girl,

this is not an existence. Oh I have my boyfriend's mom has a dog that is named below Love that literally lives as like a muffin in a basket, like under a blanket, like a newborn. Like do you guys want to see it? Okay, well, everyone look quick and then we'll put it back in a cage for three like it's just trying to live in the dark like this, And I'm like, I mean, it's a good quality of life.

I guess if you're a dog that you're fine with that. Like, yeah, there is just like um an immediate acceptance that you have to like lock into when like if I'm a pet owner and my my dog's hind legs stop working, I in order to not do anything about it, I would have to uh cope within it within two milliseconds in me like, yeah, I mean it's okay, it's fine, it's fine. Let her crawl up the stairs with two front lines. She loves it. She's doing yoga. No, she

does this all the time. Yeah, she's in constant pain. She does this all the time because that's what she does. Yeah, she does that because she doesn't have another choice. It's not like fucking sometimes he drinks a Miller light while watching Jeopardy. It's not like a hobby like che To them, it's like, I don't have a pet, because I'm always mystified in Los Angeles because the number of people who have don't. It's the most selfish people alive, but they

only pets. And I'm like, you are the personality type that needs to take on something to take care of I really doubt it. I can barely get I can barely get myself to the restroom. Sometimes, I'm not gonna walk a dog down this star. Are you kidding me? Walking the commitment of I'm going to pick up this ship for the rest of my life. Absolutely not. I will never have a dog in the country. Just let your dog go. It comes back hours later, It went

to the bathroom ten times. It probably killed and fed itslf like something like, it's the city animal that you want to talk ball and change Jesus Christ. It's literally a lump a rope that's attached to you. Having a pet in those cities acts as a counterweight to like the egomania that people live with every day. Yeah, and I also I'm a lifelong vegetarians. This isn't about me not liking animals. I almost feel like I love animals so much. I'm not gonna get an animal that has

to live fifteen years in my apartment. Yeah, you know, it's not the vibe. It's barely quality of life, Like, yeah, you would wish that. See And then I feel bad though,

because like another another. What they say the other side of the coin is that if you are someone that is able to care for an animal that needs a home, I I hosted the show called Hot Dog on HBO Max, and like we did one episode which was all rescue dogs, and it was just like I had to read all these all this copy that was like so many dogs are suffering, and it was just like I'm holding the dog, like and I'm thinking to myself, like at the time, I had a boyfriend who had a dog, and I

was like, I have a fully Like I have full capability to take care of one of these animals and they need me. Like I convinced myself in the copy that I was like, I must do this because they live sometimes really short, horrible existences and then they just die and it makes me so sad. Like it really tugged at my heartstrings. And so I was like, you know, should I do this because I'm able to? And then I was like no, because that's not going to make the dog happier. I'm like, I don't know, it's a

whole it's a whole thing. I mean, I don't know. I wouldn't get an animal right now. Well, you travel all the time. That's another thing. Yeah, But that's the other thing. If I got an animal, even it was small, I'd have to take it on a tour bus and then I'm putting a whole band and everyone out being like, there's a dog here, but no, you can't bring your girlfriend on the tour, you know. I don't know. I'm

a little too selfish for all that. There's plants on my patio that literally looks like cigarette ashes that I think all alive. I see my boyfriend like once a week. I'm like, this is a huge commitment, Like, yeah, I'm just I got stuff going on. I got I got, I got you know, what do you call it? Burners and the thing? I got things to fire. I have a question for Tricks because I feel like you can really um educate me and Matt on this. We're new to ninety day Nation, We're new to ninety day Fiance.

So am I a little bit? So? Am I a little bit? Okay? Are we all on the same relatively like same early like outset timeline on what are you watching right now? Tricks? So? I watched season one and two probably two years ago, and then this during Quarantine the last probably a couple of months. I'm I'm up through. I'm in the middle of seven now of Straight Up. So the last season was really good, it was like

Fernanda and like, um, what was her name? I have I've only seen season four, sorry, Nicole, Nicole and as in oh Nicole and as in forever crazy crazy. What I love about the show is this, my boyfriend watches all of the the Housewives, every reality show. My boyfriend

is like the connoisseur, the Salt Bay of reality show. Okay, he loves reality TV so much that I always make fun of him because I'm like, you found me the Reality TV Trophy, and then he's like salt band reality TV and I'm always like, you know, rewatching Clue with for the eightieth time, like your your shows are dumb, and then now I'm watching this, which is absolutely lower than the Low than the Low. But what I love

about it is it's unpredictable but formulae. It's always like a Doughey white guy, like a seventeen year old Ukrainian girl, or it's like a middle aged mom with two kids and like an eighteen year old fitness personal trainer from Brazil, and they're always like, oh, this is real. And what I like about it is it is a little inspiring because it is I would do anything for love because these people truly believe it. They believe it, whether or

not you believe it's right. These people think that they are making worthy sacrifices for real love, and that part of it's kind of inspiring. I mean, I've cried watching

that show earnestly. I have a feeling that I will get there too, because I was watching it last night and within ten fifteen minutes and watching it, I texted Bone and I was like, because I watched all the Ship too, Like I watch all the Housewives everything, and then I watched this and I'm like, oh, this is a new level of bat Ship because I started where Bowen asked me to start, which was before the ninety Days season two, which is unfair because I got my

seasons mixed up and I've only seen one in three but two I'm watching now with you, so I'm on the same track, all right. So so basically, like it's it's what I love about it is it's a constant heightened It's like I have never been able to make a relationship work because um, well actually I've had three divorces, I'm twenty two. Um, I also am pregnant, and it's been really hard to get from place to place with my one leg. It's just like constant, like every scene

is a new heighten of insanity. And that's when I met John, He's a criminal from England. It's like it's constant. It's constantly raising the stakes to where I'm on this couch like like thinking like maybe I shouldn't smoke anymore because I can't picture, like what's real? What's fake? Like my reality blurs watching it. Oh that's I eat the marijuana, Gunny, and I literally like lay like a coffin viewing like a viewing of the body, like angled toward the TV,

like to the TV like it's real. And what's great about it is you guys obviously watched two and three. I mean, what's her name in Mohammed was the first time the gun really went off with crazy Michelle. Yeah, but yes, her and Mohammed. I got a cameo from her. I'm on my birthday the first day at the at the wedding when he's like because in my culture, I will not kiss her like what he you like? And sometimes it's like my boyfriend was offended by this because

I said, people eat self awareness. If you are a four, get a four. If there's an eight coming into the equation saying I love your toast, put up the like there should be some red flags here, okay, Like there's a reason why I'm not with Ben Affleck okay, and there's a you have to live in live in your means, is it for you? No, he's not it for me at all. I just hold it because like that's like to somebody. A lot of people think it's really hot. Yeah, okay.

And I told my boyfriend like we're a good match because I think we're like equally ugly or hot to people. And he's like, I think my boyfriend wanted to hear like your its head and I'm so lucky, and I'm like, okay, look, that's the toxic thinking that puts these people in these situations.

If you're fifty with a bunch of kids, living in Baraboo, Wisconsin, and like a seventeen year old Ukrainian Instagram model says, she loves you, give me a fucking boy like yeah, and also that, but but you have to you gauge immediately and tell me what you think about this bow and like when you once you see from the other so ordinarily they'll open on one of their perspectives at least this is how before the ninety days is mind you, I haven't seen much Ninity I fiance, but like we'll

spend a lot of time with like Angela, and like we'll get her perspective and about how she's talking to Michael, who lives in Nigeria. So Angela is like a trumper who's fifty two from the middle of the country, and she is showing you picked her that she's received from Michael, who's her Nigerian fiance, our boyfriend, that she's see him. Yes she is, because remember she brought all that Trump

memorabilia for Michael to wear and he was so excited. Okay, So basically then you get to find you Find two episodes, three episodes later, you meet Michael actually in the perspective of he's giving A a a talking head and then he says, I'm excited to meet Angela, and they show the pictures that he's received from her, and they look nothing like her, and so I'm like, they these people can't see themselves.

They can't understand why. Like, so I guess that's my thing is it's like whenever I'm talking to someone online or like back in the day, it feels like a

hundred years ago. When I used to date online, I would always be cognizant of the fact that, like, am I showing pictures that when I show up, they're going to recognize as the same person I'm showing because there's it's one thing to think like I look good in this, and it's another thing to think, this is a good picture of me exactly because also when you're online dating whatever, you have to go this is the best picture of

this person. I'm seeing them in their best lighting. I'm seeing them probably five or more pounds ago, probably five or more years ago. Like that's the truth. And so I also just think, I'm with Matt, you have a responsibility. And one of my first UH tours, I had this whole stand up section about like people need you aren't doing yourself favors by sending an eight. If you're a six, send your six pictures, not doing yourself a favor at all.

You're go under give him like one of these, give them like the give them like the forest, whatever, or I give him like something, and then reveal like revenge body,

you know what I mean. It's a real culture. Number seventy you gotta give him the forest, got to give him the And I say that as someone who was very asymmetrical sides my face me as well, me as well, Um, but this is but this is my thing though, Like isn't We're saying all this as if it's like unique to these people who are warden, who are like completely

whose realities are very distorted. But it's like, but this is just I mean, there's a couple of things happening here where there's like one um uh like it's being it's it's being like filmed, and we're seeing it as the viewer and we get to like examine that, examine

that like from an outside perspective too. It's like, oh, this is just a more pronounced version of what everyone does, which is like, let me like the show, let me show like, let me project all these feelings onto this person that I've ever met a b let me um, let me show like the pictures of me that are like completely completely enhanced bogus exactly, so I feel like they're there. We can relate to these people in some way.

But what I think you're right, because this show wouldn't be effective if it was look at the monkeys in the cage we can't relate to. Like, I just watched the season where I'm Jay, this guy from Jamaica, he three days after the wedding to this girl cheats on her and she's like, I don't know what I'm gonna do. And I'm like, this isn't unique to because you're a straight people feel about cheating and give me a break. But like he cheated, it's over crazy, um, but like um,

on FISA was it season four? Like a woman who likes money who like you hate on Fista for being crazy, but also that guy lied to her about how much money he had exactly and then that woman and on Fisa exists is a figure in America, figure in American society. Not, it's not even specific to it's not even specific to like immigrants totally. Nicole Buyer says that she she's obsessed with the show. And Nicole Buyer says, a part of me is convinced that it's anti immigrant Propagain, it's not not.

But it also doesn't make the Americans look smart. Ever, no, no, no, no, it is equal opportunity. Um, it branks on everybody. There's one there's one couple that I'm watching now on Before the ninety Days and I'm I'm forgetting. But it's it's this he goes to I believe Eve Brazil and Paul It and Paul and Carini. Oh my god, no, no, it's not not pun creany, although the poun cranny stuff is dark because he keeps asking her to get pregnancy

tests and it's like really crazy. He don't speak this thing. They do not take the same language at all. He makes no effort to learn Portuguese. She's trying to learn English, but he it's crazy. Sorry, keep going. So it's it's it's wild but comedy Portuguese is bradgi PG, you're lying. I'm not kidding, bra bradge PG. Sorry, I'll let you sorry about this is This is all I want to say, and that we can go back to Brad and talk

about it for an hour and a half. Um. But my thing on this other couple is that he gets there and he's like, I'm in love with her and she doesn't show up for Oh, it's the one Marissa is her name or Michelle or something, but it takes her three hours to show up for their first date and he's like, there and waiting and waiting, waiting. He's like, I'm gonna this is the worst day of my life. And then she shows up and of course he's in love with her and obsessed. Um but no, no, it's

not even them I'm talking about. It's another one. But the girl says, I don't like him, he doesn't like his pictures. I'm not into it, but I want a better life. And I have to say, watching it and seeing where she comes from and seeing what her reality is, I don't not get it, you know what I mean. Like if I'm it's like I'm going to get an opportunity to go to America, and it's like a legit thing because this guy is legitimately a love with me,

and like, this is an opportunity for me. I don't begrudge her that, by the way, I do some of these In some of these new episodes, America is in real time of burning building. It's like, and people are still like, I gotta get there. I think I'm gonna like it. Here is wars and sucking fires. And I will say this too. It makes me think critically about marriage because on TV we only see marriage for love, and when you think of marriage is honestly more of

a business partnership between two people. People get married for all different reasons if it mutually improves the quality of the life. Maybe he just wants a hot girl and maybe she just wants to get out of the fucking USSR or some ship. If you both win, who are we to be critical of? Why exactly married? That's the thing.

The more I watch it, the freak show aspect fell away, and the more I'm like, these two people are trying to find something that works for both of them, whatever it is, and they understand marriage to be functional because in other countries some of these people, marriage is a little more like it's arranged, or the one where the guy had to go to the Philippines or whatever and pay her dowry, had to go buy two cows to

give her her parents. Like, for us to be critical of these people's relationships is to be critical of each society's view on marriage. And they're not congruent in any way. Ever. No, that's on period, and that's on period. But it's funny, like true truly. Twenty minutes after watching it, I was like, oh my god, these people are insane, And then it slowly did become No, they're lonely and they want partnership and what's so bad about that? And they're there, this

is the way where they can find it exactly. Just you wait until the tell alls, which are like the reunions. It feels it's it's even more impactful than like The Avengers to me, or any crossover event, because it's like it's like all of these people, all these people who you are only following in their separate little like stories, come together and they interact with each other and you're like,

what the fuck right? Fixing actually, because it's a better crossover event than Gold It's fears and then at the end someone snaps their finger and half of them disintegrate. No. Um, it's very fierce because they will have different opinions. The couples, like this one girl was like, yeah on feces, all women like money on faces upfront about it, and you guys grill her for it at least she's sayings or then they're like, um, like that one guy who was like,

how came you? You never say thank you for all the things I do for the baby, and the other guys like I watched the season and the whole time I couldn't stop thinking, that's your wife and baby, why do you need her to say thank you? Like, I think it's more validating because these are first time reality celebrities who have had to deal with comments and you know, people who have never been on TV before. They're in the comments, they're reading, they're responding, Yeah, they're those people.

They learn a lot because they're ultimately in a room for the first time with the only people who can say that they've been through that exactly. Drag Race is the only reality TV I've seen really besides this, So it's been a good like parlay. This is my first reality show to like indulge in. And I feel like you would love Loves, you would love the House because and now that you've now that you've broken the seal

in ninety day, like you can watch anything. Yeah, And I know some of the girls, so like I did. I went to um Lisa vander Pump's house. She's super nice, and she was super super nice and it was for a thing, and I kind of did have to float that I knew more about her than I But then I was like, to be honest with you, I don't really watch it, which I think she found kind of refreshing. Yeah, my boyfriend is like the slum dog millionaire like Encyclopedia

of Housewives. Yeah, that's why I find it intimidating is because how I've seen some of Salt Lake City because that was new. But I'm like, how am I supposed to start this show? Twelve seasons in? Easier than you think.

It's easier than you think. You can actually kind of jump in anywhere you want and like get on the interstate and just like from any point just getting I will say I used to be like my boyfriend at my boyfriend's house, like whatever, hanging out, and I'd be like, you're crazy, that show is so stupid and like months in our relationship and be like what did she say to her? Yeah exactly, or like like slowly invested. You know,

it's just about absorption over the long term. When I watch these shows, it's like I'm just gonna put this is how I do it with ninety Days two. It's like I just put it on and it's not osmosis and guess and yeah, yeah, yes, and but um, anyway, I think you should. I think you can watch anything that were we to say that I was just gonna suggest to you how I got into it, which is all. This is all. I did. Just watch the season of

Real Housewives of New York when Brett when Bethany returns. Yeah, so Bethany is in the beginning, and then she leaves for three or four seasons to go try to start a reality a talk show of her own rather and do her own spinoffs, and then she comes back to New York. And that's where I started. And from there I kind of just picked and did whatever I wanted. But that was the way I started, and I am here today the woman I am. Yeah, David has been giving me a little bit of a crash course and

some of the most iconic grallery television. Like during Lockdown, we watched Flavor of Love. I've never seen it Flavor Well, there's a there's a purity, there's a purity to that. And I watched I Love New York and I watched The Simple Life, which I loved. David. David was watching Top Model, which I watched a few seasons of that with him, and I just couldn't believe I've never seen it, like these women are being asked to walk in a line and say easy Breezy Beautiful cover group and they

can't do it. You drag Race there like today you're gonna have to start your mom on funding and then like we have to do so much to win drag Race. That surprises me that you had never seen any of that, like like and to Pure, Too Pure, which which we love, But you had went on drag Race after being a fan of drag Race, or was just because you had done drag for so long or both. Every track queen who is not on Drag Race says they don't watch it, but they do, and they say they wouldn't do it,

but they would. Of course I would never do that show, but yes you would, and so watch That was really the only reality show I had ever seen, which I think is like why I sort of excelled at it a little bit because I didn't have I didn't know what I was doing, Like I was just fine. You didn't have the filter of I have to be a certain way, right, exactly right. It was like my first time with cameras around. I don't know how TVs worked or anything, which is great about reality because that's how

you get authentic people. To be authentic, is like you get people from Baraboo, Wisconsin, who have a life from the Philippines. You know, you don't get more real than that. How was that pre interview? Because they watched it at the pit stop. Because I watched, I was like, this is like immediately tense from the jump. I don't believe that for a second. I bet I bet they both knew what was happening. It was fine. I think the editing made it seem a little bit like, um, it

was a little bit like Bethany Alma Rossa or something. Yeah, I knew that the whole time. I was I literally just watched earlier today and I was like, no, they're saying that, but the five is good and that was good. But she made me laugh because she obviously she watched me review Canada's Drag Race, which my job is to not ship talk but tell about everything I don't like about anything. And then it's like she's the guest and

she was so nice. But also for I will say, I'm glad she had the balls to like when she was like I'd never seen your season and I get your famous I was like, that is so funny. Yeah, she cracked my ship up. I thought she was great. Also, people. I guess thought that we were having sexual tension, were you only you can tell us. I didn't think we were.

But as I need to be hit over the head with like flirting, I never know what's happening, like you know, like a wine mom will have, like if you're waiting for a sign, this is it on the kitchen. That's what I need. I need like that big of a sign. And I'm like, oh, oh well, let me get my pants off, you know, like I need to know what's

going Yeah, exactly. I feel like the thing too with like like you on the pit stop and like this is the way that that I know, I know that I felt anyway, Boen, probably you agree, But like when we were doing the Vulture recaps and like whenever we were doing like an episode of a podcast about drag

race that is also entertainment. So if I go up there and I'm like, I think all the queens are amazing, And first of all, it's brave that they're going up there, especially today when we think it's accepting a nationwide to be gay on television, but actually it's really hard. It's like, no, bitch, Like I'm actually gonna say if I don't, Like, I know, I'm not a drag queen, and like something you said in the documentary is it's like it doesn't make people

an expert on drag no matter what they think. It makes them an expert of being a fan of the television show. And I do think I am a huge fan of the television show, so I can say that, Like, I think Denali is a fucking great performer, and her outfits looked whack to me, like on this last episode of the show, like that's and me, as a fan of the show who has an opinion on the competition, should be able to say that. But the discourse around drag Race is so heated and crazy and people are

so invested. It gets me in my head talking about the show because of the way people it's like stand culture is pop stars and drag Race, you know what

I mean. Well, and they're really intense and they are fiercely defensive of like, yeah, the great thing about Drag Race is probably one of the only shows where multiple people can feel totally different ways about runways, looks queens based on anything anything, Like I love Olivia so much she could just do okay that week, and I'm like Olivia, Oh my god, Like I just love who I love.

So you're getting your head talking about it too, because I'm I'm in a couple of group threads and everyone hates Olivia, and I'm like, I actually think Olivia was good, like you know what I mean. And and then like the way it was established in our group that was like we keep calling you to a queen the Jester, we just keep on your dress and like, wow, Jester flops.

But then in this last episode, I was like, oh, the Jester kind of like down from there, and I never hope back to either because like, especially with I mean like the fundamentals of drag I will be like that wig is rotted, that wis too flat for your body shape, your six four, that's a flat wig. Why don't you have a shape on Why are you showing those shoulders? And if you're gonna show those shoulders, why

don't you put makeup on them? And it's like people think it's so personal, but I'm like, we're critiquing drag.

It's fun. And with Drag Race, there is like a tiered commentary sort of hierarchy to it where it's like the reason people watch, like you know, Raj and Raven like talk about looks, and the reason people watch like you host pit Stop is because it's like, oh, you guys have been through this crazy crucible that is the show, and so you like people want to hear your input because it's it's different than what me whatever, what anyone

says on some any random group chat. You know what I mean, right, And it doesn't mean more more qualify, But like I've done it multiple times, lost and one plus Christmas plus celebrity drag race, So like, I think I have a bit of an idea of what that how much heat is really on these people, and I think I'm forgiving in that way, like if you pull a ship runway or like I mean sometimes it's just like, yeah, that's garbage. You're I'm not saying you're garbage, but that sucks.

And I've worn a lot of garbage drag race, are you kidding? So, like, we've all done it, We've all had bomb runways, like terrible runways, except not all of us. Some people like violets of the world, there's people who haven't. I know, it's that's kind of frustrating to but then also the violets of the world did that have bomb

runways every single time? Incredible, incredible, incredible usually have flop performances, and she had some fucking fulop just like like talk about American's Next Top Model not being able to read. That's one Season seven acting challenge, like where it was like it was like, you guys, we talked about that all the time. Which, by the way, back to rescue animals, Tempest is your rescues animals all the time. Tempest, She's such a time But I love Tempest story. I talked

to her probably once a month. We're very close, and I called her recently because she's where she rescues dogs and exotic exotic birds. Like I talked to her recently and she's like, I'm just kind of down because my two can got murdered by my rescue dog. And I'm like, Tempest is like at home with an emu and a two can just vibing. Isn't that crazy? Yeah? But it really fucking love Tempest. She had one. She has one

of the most memorable entrances. Squirted at that baby and then can I tell you this is just this is just a little like ego stroke but like sent me the nicest message I have ever received. Tempests sent me like like one of the sweetest DM I'm sorry this sounds so obnoxious, but she was like I just wanted to say hi, and blah blah blah blah. I was like, Temps, Oh my god, I love you. Literally, I'll freak out over any drag creen that's ever been on the show.

And if Julia Roberts walks down the street, I'm like, no, that's that's that's not true. But one time I did run into Jennifer Garner on the street while I was singing for the ride the tour bus I used to work for. I was singing Megan Trainer lips are moving for a tour bus and Jennifer Garner walked by me and was like what And I didn't care at all, But then I'll see, like, fucking um, I feel like the Magnolia Crawford. Literally, Magnolia Crawford. I would get on

my knees and stock cock. I swear to god, Magnolia Crawford gag. Like, but Jennifer Garner, I don't really care, Like these queens are everything to me, Like guess what I'm saying, Like we could invite like fucking whoever on the show, but like, we didn't reach out to you because we assume you'd say no, She's the most famous person in the world. It's sixtys are so busy. I love doing pods and um it's one of the only

things they don't have to get in drag Force. So I always say, yeah the bald in the Beautiful, which you people can subscribe to me and Contie every week. You two are truly like on a radio host level, just morning show. I just the it's just so quick and sharp. I'm like, wow, next week. Next week is our on like COVID Portoviy Artist Special, So I'm very excited. Boiler alert. I'm not sure I'm allowed to say this, but Violet Chop she's going to be on the pit stop.

Want to talk about critiquing drag You want to talk about somebody who hates everything? Yeah. I was like crying, laughing because I'm like, what do you think of this look? And She's like, it's not a look. I'm not even going to critique. God. I fell into one of those wormholes recently, which was like the top one best around my looks have all time, and it's like miss Mojo serious. First of all, we have to say Miss Mojo gave it up for Ms Mojo. Wait, what do we go on?

What are we just watching? It was like Miss Mojo Top ten iconic Glee Characters. It's like number three, Mr Shoe And it's always a white women who reads the copy. And and Trixie worked her pussy ciss like, yeah, good forget when she's dragged the house down, absolutely boots. When when she slaid, yeah, grab a bucket and a mop

with that gradass pussy Trixie's how. I don't know the ethnicity of Miss Mojo, but though the voice makes me laugh, and the idea that that channel exists and we all referred to it at some points, Mojo is culture and that's actually a real culture. Number one hundred and six, Miss Mojo, she is. Miss Mojo is an icon and Miss Mojo was getting a Kennedy Center Honors if I

have anything to say about it. Miss Mojo was actually originally the cast of She was originally the host of Drag Race, Miss Mojo's Drag Miss Mojo needs to come on as a guest judge. We need to finally see her face totally Wait, but what I was saying was like it was like a top one hundred best looks, and like, of course the number one was you already know it was when Violet came back for the She's A for the Season A finale and the crown was

in her head. I was like, you can never no one could ever touch this, and like so many of her looks, like the iconic fucking cinching of that waste, like yeah, the guest judge that was so good. We had her on the pod and she was go listen to it because she was talking about um, how much she hates kids and drag, which is so fierce because I say it uncanceled Violets like a child in a wig.

Give me a fucking break with Volet kids. And then she was talking about um, like when Violet does like corporate gigs and they're like, well, how about you are a little less sexy, or like how Violet will literally tell these corporate people, I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do and you can record it while it happens or not, but I'm not changing it. And Violet has like so much conviction about like I didn't start doing drag to have anybody tell me anything, which I just she's like

my idol in that way. People really think she's kind of an ice cold bitch, but it's just because she's really unflinching about, like I start doing dragged to answer to any of you. I love her, she inspires me. Yeah, you have to admire someone who like will never ever ever um get on the back heel with like some beta cuck energy. It's like, oh, you will always always always driving. Yeah whatever. She is a little bit like

she's she's a little bit frosty though. Like one time I saw her on tour and I was like like backstage with her and I was like, I really liked your number and she's like thanks, and I was like, I just love the outfit to everything you've been doing has been so great. It's like pause and I'm like staring and she's like, I liked that one picture of you. Like trying to get her to stay one nice thing. She was like a picture of you. Yeah. She was like exhausted, She's like, oh fine, I liked that one

picture of you so funny. Oh my god, Okay, so I think it might be time to ask the question bo oh yeah, oh my God, I can't believe we haven't asked. We've just been carried away by conversation. But it is time because this is what we do on the podcast. We asked everyone except Margaret Show because we got too nervous. What was the culture Trixie Mattee that made you say culture was for you? Probably probably Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Okay, just because it was horror and

camp in comedy and very moving. Um, it just made me think about like what something on TV could make me feel and think about like the world and like what was possible, And it just changed a lot for me. I think, I don't know why. I probably just because I saw when I was a teenager and I was like, oh, this is like and I didn't think about what that show is and think about how hard it would have been to pitch in the room. This is based off a show that a movie that flopped, like what that

was that was up there for me? And probably the Rocky Horror Picture Show. I know that's kind of tired, but um, seeing somebody vibrate between genders and gender expressions and using it for power was like, Oh, there's something there, you know. I mean, yeah, I will just come right out and say that Buffy has been tough for me because se of the guys who have dumped me, our Buffy heads are are are David boy And I'm just like, I have a hard time watching because I think of

I think of all these men. That's so weird. You constantly date Buffy stands. They happen to be Buffy stands, and I'm like, what is okay? So do colonize her? They all look completely different. The demographics, there's no like common demographics except that they're they're gay men or who attracted to gay men. And it's like, wait a minute, you all love Buffy and you've broken my heart. This

is crazy. There's got to be something they've driven a steak through your heart, even they have, it's just, um, I feel like people talk about like the Sopranos change television. I think Buffy is a little under celebrated for that. And you have to think like Buffy was doing, if we want to talk drama acting, they were doing what every dramatic show could do, Like they were going that deep and they were adding fight sequences like Hollywood level

special effects every week. Yeah, c g. I she was turning it out too for seven years, learning almost scripts like every week, Like what, it's amazing she doesn't have an Emmy, And then I was just talking about this um like scream like the fact that Nev Campbell doesn't

have like oscars on oscars. For that, I'm like, because you know, for women especially, you have to play a certain sort of Oh, this is the role you take when you want an award, because if there's anything spooky or anything funny, we don't respect it, you know what I mean. Well, we talk all the time about how like there's no world where it's untrue that Rachel McAdams

is deserving of an Oscar for me and girls. I mean, she created a character that will live on forever and fucking nailed it and made the movie by doing what she did, I could say, likewise, Alicia Silverstone and clueless, there was really no one else who could have done it like that. And I think it the seems to be said for Buffy the Vampire Slider with the Emmys.

It's just they still do it now. They're sort of coming around, but it's really more the sort of prestige cable networks that can get fantasy stuff nominated, like Game of Thrones, but something on the c W is just never really going to break through or the w B at that time because the genre things scared them away. Meanwhile, like Sarah Michelle Geller was doing an iconic performance that has stood the test of time, and it feels like

at that time they couldn't see it. Whether it was the genre of it all, whether it was she was young, whether it was whatever the whether it was she was beautiful, it was based on a flap like I don't know what it was, but it feels like they didn't take it seriously. And if you look at the quality of the work truly, the range, the depths, the way she played that all, like every part of that show was super natural of course, but like human life relatable all

the time, and it just wasn't celebrated enough. And I think about that sometimes, but stuff like that gives me hope, Like when I hear I always talk about like a Jane Jet pitched I Love rock and Roll to Twine three record labels and Neil said, no, it's not a hit, No one won't like it. Yeah, Wow, Like I love Roman Michelle one of my favorite movies. Lisa Kudo wrote that ten years before, and then after doing Friends and getting famous, she took it to the market again and

it got bought. Like some things are just timing related or it's just like not fair. But like RuPaul has thirty five Emmys and Sarah Michelle Gellar doesn't have one for Buffy, and I love Drek Grace. I think we're important. It's important, like redistribute the wealth of awards. Take one of RuPaul's Emmy's and give it to don't even change

the name play, give one to Charisma carp Hello. I literally feel though, like with the Emmy's and ship like that, Like once you win one for a certain role, I think you should be you should move on, like you've won an Emmy for the party, move on. But because I feel like it's boring, and I fucking love Julia Louie Dreyfuss, Like, don't get me wrong, I think she does deserve to win every time she gets nominated, but when um, she now every single year in wins and

wins and wins and wins. The same thing was like Brian Cranston for breaking bad, like we know already, let's like move on and celebrate something else. I always feel like that when something wins for one role every single year, or when one show wins every award in a year like this year, Whips Creek Like, you can't tell me that it was the only comedy deserving of the awards.

It's just breaking bad. Was to serve so Bob trying to get me to watch that for forever, and I was like, it's just like a bald white guy with math, Like I got that at home, you know what I mean. But then when I watched it, I was like, this is amazing. I can't belave that show. How they made the first season feels so high stakes, and you go, where could they go from here? This was crazy? Forget it. And by the end of it, like him, I mean, it was sobbing, sobbing, I mean crazy. That's how I

also felt about Um, I don't know. I've rewatched a lot of trash during this year, and I rewatched True Blood again and I was like, Cant and I were both rewatching it. We're both rewatching it, and every time I watch it and finish it, I'm still not sure I like it, but I watched it. It's true. It's mostly I don't want to say trash that's not fair.

Why don't you just say it, well, no, it's it's just pulpy, it's just like, yes, it just it just you you have such a recency bias with that show, like you only all that Maunters is what you just saw like ten minutes ago. Because I think True Blood, I think it's one of the best shows that's been on in the past couple of decades. I honestly think it's like it literally Trisy walked away. But when you disagree, yes, it's like okay, but here thinks The Chilling Adventures of

Sabrina is one of the best shows. It's not. And you're an first of all, it's that's not true. But this is why I think it's good, because it was supposed to be pulpe and camp and it really was, like even when it was horrible, it was horrible with purpose. They got like the finest New York stage actors to come beyond this trash show, like Routina Wesley. You cannot tell me that unbelievable. And also like they got like Everan Rachel would like coming in for a minute. Fucking

Denis Hair. Deniso Hair deserved an oscar for playing for playing his role on that show when not an Emmy, unbelievable, an oscar, he doesn't for a TV show. Yes, yes, yes, okay, yes, I I stand by what I said, but like truly shocking television that you're like, what, But that was the point and that was what it was supposed to be and it delivered on that the whole time. Yes, it got shitty towards the end, but so does everything else.

Don't tell me. In Gray's Anatomy's a d F season that like True Blood wasn't good after it fucking did it six seasons and was like we're out. It was good, And honestly, I had never the way that they used like being a vampire or like he v to talk about things like h a v and race and and you know, God hates fangs, like come on, like the way that they creatively all that happened. I did like it. I've watched it in my life through twice, so I

can't have hated it. No. Season two and three are really good, like this annual of it all a girl and fucking Jason Stackhouse could snap my throat. Oh my god. Yeah, we talked about him. We talked about a racist I just popped out like, yeah, he's what happened? We were like what happened to him? It is one of those shows kind of like Looking, where the main character was the least likable looking. I mean Looking was like what was the main character where he's like, am I a

top or a bottom? I'm like, how do you not know that? He's literally that was my problem with that bo When did you watch Looking? I never watched. Well, you're it's fine, it's fine, Yeah, it's fine. And my problem with it that was exactly when you're saying, it's like you're third. You're in the show, quote unquote thirty years old, you look like Jonathan Groff, you live in San Francisco, have for years. You're a successful person with friends that go out. You go out all the time,

and you haven't figured out like what lube is? Girl. That's the thing. I didn't buy it, you know what I mean? And I thought like if they if they made that character, that I would buy that because like I was one of those gay men who didn't know how to have sex, Like I I get it, Like still sometimes yeah, I'm still like arment no, but like it's just kidding everyone. I really know how to fuck um um but no um but um anyway, Uh, that's

I didn't buy that show for that reason. I was like, Jonathan Groff has written thousands of dicks, I know it, um and probably even tried it out topping once or twice. Yeah. And I will say back to True Blood to what made that show work is And when I was in school for musical theater, they talked about acting realistically in unrealistic circumstances, and in True Blood they committed to these unrealistic They played everything like it was really. The acting

in that show is so good. It's phenomenal, phenomenal. It is girl Jessica, that bitch makes me cry every two episodes, the Queen and Queen Pam or your Girl Pam Chris Stratton, so good, folks. That is just rattling this off. Was a huge fan. Well those are our guests today. I'm just kidding, Oh my god, but no, they were. I mean the way that Pam starts as like a bit and then the more you learn her backstory, like being with the mother of a brothel, You're like, oh, that's

would make someone a bit like that. You know, she was trying to do a vampire before her time. Really, they all have edges. I didn't mean to come in here and talk about True Blood, but no we did. I have to ask you, tricky, what are you What are you playing these days? What video games are you playing? Are you playing? I'm a little bit on a hiatus. I completed Pokemon sword um during Christmas and New York Christmas and Thanksgiving bread um, and then uh, I'm playing

Cyberpunk seven right now, um, which is really good. I love it. Everybody's complaining that it's so buggy. I'm like, so is Skyrim, so is Fallout. So we're all these big games that I get that. I understand that, like any big budget open world game like this, is bound is bound to run into stuff. What what I think bumps a lot of people is that it had been hyped up over the course of like eight years, eighties

seven years. It was eighty seven years, truly eighty seven years, and then um it just the release date kept getting pushed. So it feels that so now, like the narrative is everyone's like we got jilted or we were you know, conned out of this like gameplay experience, and now we have to wait for all these patches and um now there's all this like new stuff coming out where like the demo they released was like, um not an actual

demo was just footage or whatever. Like there's all this like shitty stuff now that like makes um CD project rad what of that company is that made? On the witcher is like not a great whatever? I like. I mean, I I'm playing it on a rather like high powered gaming PC, so I know that I don't have the same problems as a lot of people because I don't because it's on consoles. Yeah yeah on PC. I know on PlayStation was literally unplayable for me. It's been a

really beautiful game. Um. And the storytelling is good, the animation is good. The imagining of the United States in seven is good. I like it. It's not as bad as what's the take on the US Then I'm curious. I don't play it. It's this high tech city in California, um, and it's called Night City and everything is run by like mega corporate Like the government is just like mega corporations, right, yeah, the mega corporations is basically the government. The police are

kind of corrupt. Everything is like basically drugs and sex being sold everything is about drugs and sex and technology, which I mean, I can see it. And then there's been some comments that some of the advertising featured in the game is transphobic, um, which I mean. It really depends on how you viewed, I guess, but I find the experience to be pretty good so far. I've just been dedicating a little less time to play video games because I really will sit here for hours. I know

it's it's scary. It's scary, and I'm a big day by daylight girl, so I'll still play that a few times that we're cute. Wait, okay, started to such topics so quickly, but we have not talked you and I the three of us about Michelle branch in the way that I would like you to talk about Michelle branch specifically tricks, because that's that's how you and I started.

That's how you and I started talking to each other. Right, Like I think, like I like this article on the right, like this interview I did came out where I was just like one of my earliest influences was The Spirit Room by Michelle branch Or. The interview asked me, what's the culture that made you say cultures for you was

like Leanders every day and that's what you said. I was like on that day, I was like today, it's today when I think like the other day, I thought, Wow, The Spirit Room by Michelle Branch is such a formative album for me. I know every single lyric to that. Remember, I'm like, I am gagging at what is happening right now. Trixie just pulled out her acoustic guitar. That happen Like, I like literally learned to get hard of that music. Like, yes,

I can see she really good. She really was to thank you, Oh god, you want to Also, I'll never not like cry to goodbye to you. Oh my god, it's so over. Yes, she really that that like man years old Billie Eilish eat your heart out. Yeah, that whole moment was a good moment like her like the same time, it's like I don't like her, but Avril Levine, Vanessa Carlton, like it was very singer songwriter moment. Yeah, And that's when I started playing guitar and everyone you know,

guitar is a very male dominated instrument. It's very phallic, it's very aggro, it's aggressive, it's jazzing on it. It comes up your crotch. Right. The guitar has a long penis like top. It's actually a real culture number. The guitar peniss like top. So when I started playing guitar, it's like, no gig, I know, like three gig guys with play guitar. And I'm always like, why was I I'm such a fag. Why was I into guitar? And

it's like because I was thirteen when I started. This was a time of Avlavie Michelle Branch Cheryl grow on the radio. Women with guitars were such a thing, so I thought it as like subversive, like women holding this power with this thing interesting tricks. Are you really watching you play, whether it's guitar or auto harp, I'm like, it's really beautiful. I'm sorry, let me just say this, because it's like you look blissed out completely. You look

so serene when you play. It's it's so nice. I just I just had to say that they're so good. Do you You're so good? Like no, but like you really are. Like I'm telling you, I don't just buy I mean your your fucking album is going to go in my vinyl collection. Like I truly loved it, Like I I and I really I want to say, like, I loved your first two albums, but this last album I really love and it's almost I hope you take this as a compliment. It's almost giving me like Weezer.

Are you kidding? That's like a huge compliment. Yeah, it really was giving me Weezer. I was really really enjoying it. And I love them all. I love gold, I love Jesse Jesse, I obviously love Malabo, I love I love the cover Stranger. That's really good. And like, I don't know, I just I hear. Do you love Casey Musgraves? Obviously you do. Of course, I hear so much of her in it, you guys have done. She's a fan, she's

a friend, she's a reader. I don't know. Can you imagine if we found out she listened to this podcast, I would die. You guys call him a reader, And when somebody's a fan of me in real life, I call him a friend of the pod, which makes no sense. She's a friend of the pot even before I had a pot of and she's a friend of the pod. But I just thank you. I will say I'm very lucky because people come out of the woodwork and they're like, basically, I get this response a lot, which I find very flattering.

People like, Hey, I actually finally listened to your music and it's actually good, which isn't what you guys are saying. But that's what you guys are saying. But it's like people mean that they don't expect it to be good, and then they're like, oh, this is nice. I appreciate that, because you know, I love Weezer, and my all time favorite band is Fountains of Wayne Verius. Fountains of Wayne. Oh my God, rest in pirest in peace. By the way, I cried not to be gay, but I cried. Our

good friend is Rachel Bluman. Um. I couldn't imagine I met him. I met Adam once in a pitch meeting for something, and I just was like, I know, this is a serious professional meeting. I have to tell you, like Fountains like you guys changed the way I thought about songwriting period forever. And he was just like, oh, thank you, okay, because to him, it's like twenty years always like oh that band, thanks, And I'm like, oh my god, I needn't understand the way Adam Schlesinger writes music.

But um, what a funny, talented guy, so talented. But with Barbara, I was just like, well, I've done the country and folk thing, especially living in California, was like, I want to do something really bright and sunshiny in California and listening to like the Go Goes and Weezer and just like, I don't know that album is so fun to make. It's so good, so good. Thank you.

You guys are extremely sweet for saying that. I mean, I feel like it was such a weird little risk when I started playing guitar and stuff and drag, but it it had such a better effect than I thought. I thought, like doing comedy people, we're gonna feels like I'm gonna do comedy and then you gonna have to deal with the song I'm gonna sing later, okay, And it was The response was very like, surprisingly, very positive always,

which has been so nice. Do you think it's that people, even like gay audiences who like love drag race, they just have like a preconceived idea of what drag music is going to be, obviously, because it's like, you know, you think it's gonna be like cunt cunt pussy. I'm from New York and I walk the walls, and you know, like which we do going to be love that we

love it. I mean when I think that Baby's a harrabin a deserve Best Pop Vocal Performance for Jungle Kitty, But I mean, and that's just nothing, that nothing matters, which doesn't um. I will say, we when we roll out albums like this year, we have multiple, multiple records coming out. It's the first time I've said it. We have multiple records coming out, and when we roll out, when we roll out records, we get together and we we I hate to say it. This isn't to throw

anybody under the bus. We have to swim upstream with people's opinion of what somebody in a wig could do with music, yeah, or with anything. This is what it is with anything you um, you train an audience to

get used to seeing you a certain way. And what if it means and for and for drag race contestants specifically, it means like I either go the way of and and they're not like it's not like a mutually exclusive choice, but it's like I either go the way of like do of doing what is like already in the matrix of like what the outcomes are outside of the show or I do something, but you you even talk about this in moving parts though You're just like I want

to like do my whole like Emmy Lou Harris, Loretto, Loretta Lemn Dolly Parton thing. But like people there are people are not used to seeing a drag queen do this on stage the way that I would like to do it. Yeah, Like I will say, like the first time I pulled out a guitar and started putting it in the stand up every night it was like hour long stand up show. I was in p Town doing a whole summer fifty five shows and every night people be like, oh, the show was funny. I didn't even

know you play guitar. I love this here you play and every night it was like, oh, well, there's a

world for this. And then when I started playing the harp, it was moments where I was just like, I am here in a wig for these people who want they came to like I don't know if they came to see Gotta Got Got, but like I'm going to stay up here and play an appealition focustrument like it's a little wild but character so well, because like it's Dolly Parton calls that immediately and also honesty is you can never doubt that. So like, that's what kind of music

came naturally to me. So I can't pull off a purse first because I don't listen to that kind of stuff. But then if you, like I think of people like Blondie or the B fifty two is where it's like these people are wearing wigs and wearing instruments, they just don't call it drag. And then every top star has wigs and lashes on like them. I love them and they and they all do like an acoustic phase. Can I ask you a question from Moving Parts? Because yes,

Matt and I rewatched last night. Thank you guys very much. Of course everyone should watch it. It's really great. And I feel like Netflix is tough because the algorithm just kind of decides for everyone what they're gonna watch. Like, so if you missed it, if you missed it when it came out, you should check it out. It's really

really good. We looked out when it came out. We were trending on the YouTube like the we were under trending and critically acclaimed or whatever for like a month and a half so it really got a lot of exposure. We loved out there. There's a partner where you go to a viewing party at some bar to watch the premier of All Stars three yes, the talentship portion, and then it cuts to you seeing moving parts. Um, and

then I can't tell. I can't because I was expecting like some reaction from you after the fact, But it looks it seemed like were you uncomfortable because was that like was that was that what you're speaking to right now? Where you're just like, I'm noticing that the audience is um a little confused or disengaged by the idea of seeing a drag queen like with an auto harp playing this song. Yeah, I guess I'm always aware that I'm

probably the only one doing that thing. So like, even with this tour grown up, We're here, I'm traveling with the band, and I'm like, well, I'm probably the only person who's ever only drag Queen has done this on a scale, so it's always a little bit of a risk. But I guess with moving parts on All Stars, I knew I wouldn't win with that talent, but I also knew this is probably the only time I'll get to do something like this on TV and I'm playing thirty

eight strings. I'll never get eliminated for this, Like a out show, you won't get eliminated. And I guess it was a little vulnerable, like I don't know. It was a slow rollout to introduce people who know me from and comedy. It was a weird time to roll out that there's also music and try to get those people to do to listen to both. And it's been really nice. I mean, on my shows, it's weird because some people

are just there because they like drag Race. Some people are there because they've only seen on and they don't even watch. Some people are only there because they only know my records. So whatever reason they calm, I try to put something in for that, you know, because like grown Up has like fifteen costumes, five wigs, so if you're there for looks, there's looks, you know. Um. But it was always vulnerable. But I like playing my heart

when I can. I love playing my guitar too. I just never thought, you know, I grew up playing guitar because I wanted to play music. I never would have thought it would ever be playing it and drag like, of course not, you know, it's just it's so it's great to see like you doing what you truly love, because I think that this is just something I gauge.

And you said to talk about this a little bit in the documentary too, which is you love drag Race, and like, I'm sure that you um like appreciate the experience of having been on it and everything it's afforded you, but it seems like you don't love being a contestant on the show, you know what I mean, Because it's like it's it's I always feel like drag Race can make it seem to someone that's watching it like, oh, this is measuring how someone is as a drag queen,

and the best drag queen will win the show, when that's really not true. Like being good at drag race is a skill in and of itself, and to be someone that walks into drag Race and kills drag Race and wins means in no way that like you are the quote unquote best drag queen. These are all incredible queens.

So does that kind of come into your mind when you're on the show, watching yourself on the show, and watching people watch the show, well, I'm not a very good competitor, and competition brings out the best in a lot of people. I wouldn't say it necessarily brings out the best in me. And then I think I'm really good at dragging the real world, like the business side of it and and the uniqueness of it, like the

marketing of it. Um. I love selling ship, I love writing ship, and so I guess for me, competing on drag race has never been like where I do the best. I mean, I one, of course, I'm proud of it, especially at All Stars. I'm like, I'm I stand by every runway and every performance. Um, I did a wonderful job, but like I would never want to do it again. I'm I'm just not. Have you guys ever been on

a reality style competition thing? It's really I was one who wants to be a million I wish doesn't really count. And I hope I've hosted a I host this reality competition show obviously too. I kind of see you haven't competed as a dog yet. No, I haven't competed as a dog, but watch this space. Um No, but it's kind of interesting to like see how the sausage gets made and these are these really are people, thank you. Um, but it really is interesting because like they really are

real people. And then when the judging happens, it's really lee what it is like. There's no like producing that goes into like the judging of it all. And that's why I'm always like, oh, this is so interesting because as the host, I kind of was walking to the back, and I assume producers would come back and be like, Okay, so for the narrative, this person needs to win and that you have to be really hard on this person and the judging and that would be kind of guided

that way. But at least on our show, that wasn't the way it was, and I would imagine that's actually not the way it is on drag Race because um, sometimes the critiques are so like what that it has to be their real critique, you know what I mean? Yeah, And and the critiques in real life are they take hours for six for the for the three top and three bottom to it takes hours and you see ten minutes of it maybe, and it's so nuanced because everything's

also taste. Michelle could love it, Ross could hate it, two different opinions. And I love judges I love everyone. It's four people behind the table. They're not smarting near better than me, And I'm such an asshole. Even on Drag Race in front of Rue Paul, who's flawless. I'm like, I mean, you're pretty, but mama, yeah, hello, yeah, And you can't really tell me anything. And I think that's why you've been on. Even in season seven and I

went home fourth. I remember sitting in the van being like, Okay, well they just told me I wasn't a next drag Superstar, but they don't really have control over that idea. Like I was talking to Violet about this recently and Violet was like, it's crazy to see everything you've done and bought. It's such a wonderful person. But she goes, it's crazy because I didn't see it for you at all. Like, thanks, Violet,

thank you so much. But it gets to me you can't let those experiences really define you because those reality shows are so hard to win. Drag Race is so hard to win, especially the all stars format, because it's like a rude Goldberg machine. Don't do too good, but don't do too bad. You kind of have to do what I did and like not eliminate anyone and not ever be in the bottom, like that's how to win that.

I have not been on a reality competition show myself, either, but I to like draw a really like jan Kee parallel analog whatever. Like hearing you talk about drag Race just kind of reminds me of SNL and this in the way that it's like people who even audition for ESNL and who don't get it are like, are incredible, and meanwhile I'm over here being like it's it's and it's like what you're saying, It's like, I am a

fine comedian, fine comedian, fine writer. I happen to be decently good at us Like on SNL, I'm my skill is being on that show, and it just so happens to be that outside of the show, I'm like doing all these different things where I'm like humbled every fucking moment where I'm like I go onto the set of this like TV show and I'm like, oh, I don't

know what the hell I'm doing. It's like, you know, I think it's so valuable for anyone to have like multiple environments where they are being challenged in different ways so that they can be like, oh wait, I'm not deriving all my value and that is so true. It's like I know that. I mean, I'm just gonna acknowledge it. I know that I get a lot of opportunities other drag queens do not get and we'll never get. I know.

I'm lucky enough to be the first drag queen to do so many things, and it's like a lot of that is not drag race related. So like I'm lucky to be at a place where people love me from drag race, but they really like me because of the music or the YouTube or whatever. So now it's nice because my worth doesn't hinge on what I did on a TV show years ago exactly. And isn't it nice that you do these live shows and you look in the crowd and you tricks he don't necessarily know what

they're here, like how they know you? You know. It's like if I don't even mention drag race and shows, because I feel like you already saw that, like you came from more, you know. And I don't claim to be the best singer, the best dancer, the prettiest that anything, but I just try to do things that like, well, this is what I do, and I know other people

can't do it, So I'm going to do that more. Yeah, you know, like when Bowen said, like when you see you during your thing, there's obviously so much joy in it. I always like a true hack for anyone that wants to do anything is if you are having fun and you love what you do truly, everyone else will have fun and probably like what you do. Like it's really it's just you just have to. It's truly a trick.

But once I think I read it in Amy Poehler's book, Um, it was just like she said something like that's the trick. If you are having fun, other people will have fun. It does not have to be perfect, it does not have to be the best and keep you yes. And people out there that are like determined to critique because that's who they are and what they are in the way that they go about life is to um, be very critical and that's how they file things in their brain.

That's fine. That is not most people, and that it is probably not the people that are coming to see you. I will say to you like, um, I mean, we could talk about this forever, but you owe it when it comes to listening to the voices, you owe it. The people who love what you do to not pay attention to the people who don't love what you do. That is huge. That's a very only job. Because I've talked like I know, I represent like mediocrity to a

lot of people. There are a lot of people who are like that sense of humor does nothing for me, or that music does nothing for me. But that has nothing to do with drug. Queens are so confident because, like I mean, as tricksy, it's like, you can't tell me anything. You can't tell me anything you got. I could be bombing, it could be like Mama, that was

a serve, you know, but with drag. Of course we watch for the beads and the sequence in the wigs, but we're really watching because it's inspiring to watch someone believe it and I believe it. You know what I mean, Before you sell it, you gotta buy it yourself. Okay. I'd rather be delusional than depressed. Completely completely, I'd rather be delusional than depressed. Put it on my gravestone. Quantity.

It's like it's like uh circuit gaze with clock fans and I'm walking on the stage with an Appalachian harp, like Mama, this is about to be it. I'm about to shut it down, but the secret live. But I also knew when I started playing guitar and drag or stuff like that, I knew I had to commit a hundred million for it to sell because you can't go out there, gunshine what you're doing. That's what good can me all the I mean, I was just thinking about

this too. It's like comedians, like you're really being paid for bravery, and the best comedians are fucking fearless. You go to watch someone be fearless, which is why it's so uncomfortable, and someone's trying to stand up and they're scared. I know every time I've had a bad show, I'm like that that audience I wake up the next day. I was later like it was me. Yeah, I went

into that. You know what I can always tell like like it's it's it's because now we've been doing it for so long, and I feel like I've been doing it for so long that there was a period in like I can, like towards the last couple of years of living in New York, like and when I first came to l A where I feel like I could walk out onto a stage and not even think about it and just go and have a good time or whatever.

But sometimes, like every every so often, they'll be a period where I'm about to get on stage, and in the minute before or in the thirty seconds before, I'll start to have this let's just forgive me, but the inner saboteur will come in and I'll just be like, oh, no, like is this gonna happen there right now? And I

that's a fight or flight moment. It's like I can listen to this voice for even one second more about someone that's in the audience, are people that aren't there or whatever, or like maybe I for a second was running my ship and I I stumbled over it even in my head. Whatever it is in that moment, but it's truly defining. I feel like that minute before you get on stage where it's like, oh, what do I

do with this? Because it will dictate how the next ten minutes goes, or the next thirty minutes goes, or the next hour and a half goes, depending on what show you're doing. And so it's so it but I so can distill it to myself. You know what it is? True? It is, it always is, and that's why at the

end of the day you can blame whoever. But usually in the clear light of day, you're like, I let that audience down, I let the no laugh dictate that what the show is going to be like in the first two minutes, I flumble, flummed, like flubbed and never recovered. It's really always you. And that's where you realize like, oh, well, if it's me, I trust myself, so I'm gonna be fine. It kind of goes both ways. I don't know. I feel like we're talking about decades ago when we used

to be live performers. I think it will stand up all the time, And I'm like, am I do my credits transfer? Am I gonna have to go like relearn? I don't remember my show. I don't remember my five minutes at my fifteen minutes, said, I don't remember any of them. I think nobody's credits are transferring once, right? Are we gonna all have to like go learn stand

up again? I think so, because I'm even watching these brave, brave people who it's in the summer at least would do outdoor park shows like standa friends in New York would do out of park shows it's like god less,

I can never do that, like God bless you. And then some some people even like like I think Comedy Central even recorded some mount or sets and they're now posting them on Instagram of like comedians we love and who are proven quantities, known quantities as far as like their comedy, their voice, who are like playing to these rooms quote unquote that are like patios and where the audience members are like like nervous to laugh and you see it kind of funk with them and like wait

a minute, we are all we are all like for better for worse, like kind of flattened to the same, all being like it's like a new like a new computer, new phone. A little bit we all got that, like it's weird. We're all gonna have to rely on instincts and bravery because we don't remember the material. We haven't had life experience for a year to make the material. Like we can't we can't go into the world and talk about COVID. We can't know. No, it won't what

we won't. Here's the thing. It's gonna be great because remember as much as the performers are going to be in their head and have to find it. These audiences that come back are going to be so happy to watch something like that, and the audiences are are going to have the back of the performers, and the performers

are going to be ready to go. I really feel confident that just the energy of the live audiences when they come back, because I've been thinking about this a lot, and I just thought, like, not only am I missing performing, I'm also missing going out and seeing things like yes, of course I miss like little social things Like I was thinking this morning, like I want to go on a date, you know what I mean, Like I want to dress up, like go to a restaurant and like

decide there if I want to suck the guy, you know what I mean? Like I I don't. I don't know how to date and do go about even little social things now because you have to have like someone over your house, you go there or whatever. And with performing, it's the same thing. I'm getting so used to quote unquote a show being I go on like a Zoom show that Joe Kimbooster is hosting, and we shoot the ship for six minutes about whatever. That's not material, you

know what I mean. That's not like a rehearse comedy bit. But then I thought more about it, and I was like, you know what, what I miss most of all is just going out and being a art of something that's that's live and electric, and listening to live music and

watching live comedy. And I'm gonna be so happy to be there when it's all done that I'm actually less concerned about performing when I go back because i can feel myself in the audience and I'm ready to give you know what I mean, like because I miss that. I miss it so desperately. It's it's I think I can speak for all three of us when I say

it's a life force. Yeah, and staying busy the way you guys have, or like if we're being vulnerable, this has been probably one of the most I know, we're not supposed to say it, but like, besides, touring is probably one of the most financially viable years. I've been home the most to make the most content. I mean Netflix and my YouTube channel and the pot I've content every day of the week, and so like, in that sense, it's been enriching and it's gonna be people like you

and me. If you don't use it, you lose it and those limbs will atrophy and fall off. So some of these drag fans and comedians who are sitting home, they are going to come back and not have it. They are because they haven't been stretching. Like you also, can't you run and then go back to marathon running and just expect your body to work. You know, you're leg going to fall off. Girl. You hate to break it to you. Your legs are going to be falling off.

And it's nice for you guys. Between the pod and S and L and all this stuff, you can at least stretch those muscles in a way that's like maybe insulated but still using them, still keeping You know, for sure, if SNL wasn't happening, bone would be dead. I can agree. I can co sign because and every Saturday it's the

dress rehearsal audience. It's the dress rehearsal audience that comes in, and I'm just like, oh my god, like we're like one of the only places open and existing that they can go see that, yeah, that they can go, Like, I I am so fucking lucky to do this. And then but I was gonna say, like there are some comedians who like just will have the gift no matter what I mean. Maybe this is an a fair example

because she she works at SNL. But I was watching like a Zoom stand up show, like back in like April. Roll no, no, not back in April, back in um like July UM. And it was anadres and and she was on this Zoom show and she's just like reading jokes that she's written, and she was just kind of reading one. She was with her dog in her living room, but she's just reading these jokes and she's just like,

I'm okay, here's something. Um. I was going through old journal entries the other day, but I'm trying to read less books written by white authors, and I was like, oh, you stupid. She was texting me before because she's finally watching for the first time ever. She watched the movie Second Act with JL, and we were like a live texting because she knows that I'm me and of course I'm in I'm gonna be an authority on Second Act

by JL. But which is I'm saying it like it's a book that Jlo wrote, It was a film she was in. But she's the best. Um. Listen. We could literally keep talking for hours on and but we I think we should move on to I don't think so honey, because I know, I know this is gonna be a lie because chatter boxes as I've never when they're long.

As a listener, I listened to the whole thing so well, I'm already like thinking, you need to come back often because we are any of the time of our lives, and this has been a blo I know anybody who's a listener of this show dreams to be on this show. Anybody, even performers like they all want to do it. This is I guess the time bone where we do? I don't think, so, honey, would you say, so what is? What is? I don't think so honey. I'm so happy you asked, and I'll tell you now that you did.

I don't think, so honey. Is a sixty second segment? Oh, I know what it is. And so in the sixty seconds we rant, which is like a sort of like an accelerated, elevated way of speaking about a topic in pop culture, which is um popular culture culture that a lot of people enjoy and can experience and can consume.

Really it's about consumption at the end of the day, and we can get into whether or not that's healthy or not, how good that is, but that it's about consumption, the capitalists, you know, sort of regime that we live under. We could talk about it, not now but later, um and in that say, seconds, we talked about something in pop culture, rants against it, and it's because we don't like it, that's why rant. Otherwise it will be rave,

which is the opposite of front um. So this being I don't think so, honey, usually sort of volleyed around one, two, three, and I usually go first, and I am prepared to do that because I have a thing, okay, interesting, Well, then I have the timer ready to go. This is Rodgers. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Quote twists end quote on the national anthem. Okay, so today is the inauguration and Lady

Gaga is harm in the national anthem. We've probably already seen her do it, because I'm imagining this happens in the morning, but she has announced prior to singing it that she's doing it with a quote unquote twist. I don't think so, honey. I don't think this is a song that needs a twist. It's not like Willow by Taylor Swift that needs like a speaky like cold Soup Goblin Ghost remix of them. This song does not need a twist. This song was written by MS for Into

Scott Key Honey, and the key is the key. It should be sang in key. We need to be singing this song in the correct way. The only way I will say you can make a twist on it is if you sing it like when Houston extra good. Other than that, the last time we saw the National Anthem song with a twist, it was Fergie and while it was gay culture, it was bad. And I don't know if it's better to have that version of I don't

of the National Anthem or not. I'm gonna say probably yes, but that should be the last twist on the anthem. They're done now, Lady Gaga, no sing it normal. I don't think so. Honey, whoa girl energy? You should storm the capitol, says that baby. Can I just say from someone who was there, did I see you climbing in the window? It was not. It was not as bad on the ground as it was on TV. I saw

somebody climbing in the window and cheating. I was like I sort of like did my over the shoulder gas, like I was actually pretending to be like, um, there was a lot of promising young women that were storming the capital, and I was when you and you were the one who put a pink wig on the flagpole because you were representing the barbs. Yes, I was actually so it was people are getting confused. It wasn't just

like the proud boys that were storming. It was the proud Boys and the bars and I was sort of the leader of the Yeah, and I was. And I was also chancing hey, Mike Pens, but it was more like this, hang Mike pain. Um. But anyway, Yeah, the lady gu guys apparently doing a twist on the national anthem. Can't wait to find out what that is. I hope it's something simple. I hope it's like a nail reveal or something like low productions, just like nail are a twist. Yeah,

I hope it's nothing. I hope she like parts her hair. I'm also so scared for her to be there, like, I don't want anyone there. Here's a twist on the national anthem. Don't sing it? You know you wanted a twist. Um, but but I just feel like we don't. It's going to she's gonna and then seeing it from the floor, she's even gonna get a yeah, yeah. I want the twist to be the Lady Gaga things that from her home from a secure location, Okay, because I don't need

her and the sucking inauguration. I don't need Kamala Harris at the inauguration. I don't need Joe Biden at the inauguration. Why we're not doing like a remote zoom thing is unbelievable to me. It's not like we're not going to be intimidated by terrorists like you should be. I'm that home intimidated by terrorists. They're out here promising to come. And I honestly hope that this comes out. This this episode will come out on Inauguration Day, which yes, I

can confirm. My building emailed me a week ago, said on January twenty, we're gonna be testing the alarm systems. It will be sudden and loud. I was like, Hi, can we move this to any other day? Do you think that, like we could just take one alarming factor away from this day test the alarm system Like I'm gonna be watching the inauguration and panicking because it's the alarm is just screaming at me, like why that day regardless,

I digress. I just can't believe we're having it. Changed the alarmed like rain on me or something, you know, like the dound check, but changed the material. Yeah for sure. I'm just like, I just don't know why we have to do it on that day. But they didn't get back to my email. Um, but anyway, I just I don't I'm kind of dumbfounded that we're having the inauguration.

I hope that this comes out on the day of the inauguration and it's a non factor because it went well and safely, but it's it's it's jarring to me. And the last thing I needed to hear was that Gaga is gonna be there, because of course we need also do the twist without saying there's a twist. It's like when people wear revealed, that's obvious. We know there's something under there. When you walk the runway looking like Voldemort,

I know that you're taking that off. Of course. That is the great myth about the reveal is like that the reveals are going to be good because it's a real you want to reveal. You want to know why Sasha Vlors reveal worked so well because it was an incredible lip sync and because it went with the performance, and because you didn't see it coming. Yes, give me something I have no ideas coming. Yeah, but then you

could even have said that you could. I mean it all like heightened to that point though, that's it was part of the narrative, yes, yeah, or like Catia doing the Bang reveal, never saw it coming. It's weird, but like when you walk out there in a hefty bag like this and like, I wonder if that's coming off, like anyway, twists on the national anthem, I don't think so, honey. Um, I was gonna say that Goga's posting of the twist of telegraphing the twist is saying like working on something fun,

can't wait to announce. Oh, it's like Demi Vato being like our nation is in such disgrace, I'm going to the studio, yeah, I or like influencers when they're like secret project and it's them in a picture they took six months ago. It's not even related anyway. The girls are trying their best and speaking of trying their best, and I'm going to say ultimately probably really slang and succeeding. This is who is? Who is? I just think one of the I think bon Yang is one of the

most important people in the culture. And I think that and I stand and I recently was in reviewed and I say, I was asked about Owen Yang and I cried no from who I frequently shed shed tears about you. Come on, was it a ch angela to cry? Did you like cheat out to the camera and like, did you like make a moment? Sorry, I'm getting emotional. Yes, love that love it, which is my way of starting dropping in what in the moment of moving parts were in Catia caused Trixie like one of the best comedicy

writers like ever. I'm just like, I was like, that's that's that's I'm catty in that moment to you and Matt's Trixie where I'm always like gassing my sister up and I'm like, you're I'm like, you're incredible anyway, Well, I love you right back. Girl. Done it again constantly. We love to do that monologue, but with negatives like hey, flop, you have again ing the bar for all of us constantly raising the bar for the circus, the circus and doing it foolish and you wait, is that Wait? Is

is it hay clown? Hay clown clown? Okay, you have done it again, constantly raising the bar for the circus. I'd say, I'm surprised, but I know who you are, personal cat, and I get stuck in these rattles where we see the same thing over and over again, and right now it's Hey over and over again. Yeah, we just talked about this on the last weeks episode. We've been saying flop for weeks. Yeah, flop. We are obsessed

with flop. For a while, we were stuck in like we would be in a room together silently, ten minutes to go by, and she'd be like, Stacy, did Frederica ever mentioned a Jame gum or a Jamie gum, which is from Silence of the Lamps. Yes, that's me and bowing with them for months we were doing I'm gonna have to pass on that one, which is the front Gun interview about like rather singers, good writer, good performer, young producer, young producer and Sissy's baby. You just get

stuck in these like story loops. Yeah, so David David. It was watching Um Housewives and one of the trailers ended with someone going, I wouldn't be surprised if we never saw an East Richards again, And I was stuck saying that for weeks weeks, I'll be taking the trash show, like I wouldn't be surprised if we never sawed East Richards again. Also another one is Bowen and I love um. On Real Housewives, they said, um, beast, I'm done talking to you, you beast, beast, and then she it's pure evil,

pure evil, pure evil. I'm telling you, Trixie, you would love Housewives because you love you love the existence of the woman, the desperate woman just micro performances within like within two words like that's just you love the observation of the woman who was a laugh away from a tear, and that is every single woman who was ever on Real Housewives, and that's why we need to watch it. We get stuck saying, m pretty much. I would let Gema know that Gemma is a fat hunt. We get

that is a good one. UM in which anything New York says, look at the material is pretty up there to look at the material. Oh my god, New York Yeah, you're a dreamer. Dream at your sleep, don't you sell good? You know what we got? We got stuck on? Um, hey, break a leg? What did you say said? Break a leg? I'm not gonna I'm gonna get the part. That's what I'm gonna do. Yes, Okay, Oh, I know those one liners from shows I've never seen. I'm not gonna break

it like, I'm gonna get the part. That's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna get the part. Assen on pause, but I'm play. Yes, So the one that really doesn't get the first fucking night. Yes. Also, Hoops is this Hoops is a whore, Her mom's, her grandma's. The biggest horror I've ever seen in my entire life. There will never be anyone like New York on reality TV in that same context. Oh my god, she invented it. I

submit Monique as host of Charm School. Um, the who jumped out and then it jumped you exhibited hore like behavior. The whore jumped out and then it jump back in. But it jumped out. And when you when you do clownary, the clown comes back to. Yes, it's it's important material. She won an Academy Award deserved it. Also, I've only said, like David was watching Housewives and I got stuck saying, m uh, is it about Tom? It's about Tom? Does that?

I don't even know the show? So then things will get stuck and like, why is that clinging to my brain? It has that effect on you. Lisa Arena is the gift that keeps on giving. But she has been for decades, but she recently had a line on Housewives, which was at a reunion. She goes, you liked the tweet, and in liking the tweet, it says everything. Every It says everything everything, or at least I had that one really good. At least he goes, Oh, you're angry. You're so angry.

You are so crazy, so crazy, you get it? Who told you that? Who told you that angry? It's so kind ofcending, like, oh, you're angry. Both of them, both of them knew it was the last scene they would have on the show together, and they're both soap actresses that were beat to hell sitting on that couch looking at each other half cross legged, knowing it was both their last scenes of the of the season, and they were serving it. I don't know. You gotta get into it.

Um listen, this is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey. He claims to have a topic and gonna see Bowen. Yeah you're I don't think so, honey. Time starts now. I don't think so, honey. The relationship between gum health and preventing dementia? Did you guys know about this? Cola Scola told me? Or was it Joe Firestone? Someone told me that you have to floss within twelve hours every single day, or once you get older, you're going to not remember anything that you form dementia plaques. I don't

know if this is real. I haven't actually verified the science, but I believe it when I hear my friends tell me you have to flostery el soo, you're gonna get Alzheimer's. I have a family history. I don't think so many this relationship because I don't want I feel like I'm being sort of conned in a way into flossing and into maintaining my dental health. But no, I will do anything in my power to prevent Alzheimer's from hitting me. I'm not gonna Bells Gray. I'm not gonna become my grandmother.

I'm so sorry to say. It's tragic and cheap and cheap passed. So um, I don't think so many. This new relationship that I have to sort of, this new element of upkeep that I have to incorporate into my life, I don't think so honey, this um potentially bogus relationship medically that I have to now abide. That's one minute. I'm interested to hear about this as someone with several

grandparents who passed away of better. Yeah, apparently, but honestly, keep it in the teeth, like, just keep the string in the teeth full time, because gums they bleed, girl, And that's the thing. But once you get into it, once you get into a habit of flossing, they stopped leading. They don't bleed you. Alright, Well, I guess I gotta break it in. Alzheimer's isn't funny? However, is something funny

about forgetting really essential ship in your life? I know this's awful, but in the movie Still Alice, when she couldn't find the bathroom in her own home and pistol pants, I was laughing so hard. I know that that's awful, but like I cried a lot in that movie. But peeing your pants in your own house because you can't find your own bathroom is it is funny? Well, the reason you left is because if you're gonna feel cry

and when you're gonna do that's the thing. Is like, I'm I'm already a dripping wet pisces if I'm trying. If I want to find the humor in something that's that's sad, let me because I guarantee you trust me. I feel very sad about it on the inside. And that's almost why I'm laughing, because if you don't laugh, you'll cry, And that's where that comes from. But that being sun to the bathroom with my pants and I don't have Alzheimer's, so like yeah, and so what excuse

do you have? I drink whiskey, not a one, because sometimes I have fireball whiskey with pizza. You might as well be still Alice after that girl, Come on diet literally wait wait, bow and I wanted to tell you I've been making my own food at home and I don't think cooking my meat right and I feel like I'm shipping like Bow and Yang. It's horrible. Excuse me, how are you you're on the record that your ships are bad. But how are you cooking your meat? Girl?

I'll cook it and then I'll just like cast iron skill it or something. Do you think I don't have a cat? Are you? Leg Hottie with the chicken in the microwave? That's also iconic. The editing on that show is showed so shady. Every time Hottie blinks and they do the bike ring wing ring wing, like shaping another one. Beyonce bit you look like Luther vand Van Dross bit

you like Luther Van Dross. Yeah, I might be a bitch to at least it don't go around to everyone's Yeah, so good, Hotti Hotti mental institution by a straight jacket that said that it's Goldie. It's gold Goldie's gold. Yes, mental institution busing a straight jacket. So that show is incredible, Oh my god, so good. And then um, who's the one a pumpkin who spits in her face? It's like a pumpkin. Do I hate her? No? Does she still

need a facelift? Yes? Like she invented reality television? She did. Also, wait, I just want to throw I just want to say before we move on to trickxies. I don't think so, honey. One of the most iconic from Real Housewives of Atlanta is who gon check me Boo? Who go check me boo? You need to get checked? Who don't check me boo? And then the neck role that went into it. I'm just like say was she made some mistakes and got got kicked off the franchise, but she was forever Okay,

So huge moment in So far Out. It's Trixie Mattels. I don't think so honey. Times do you have something prepared? By the way, I do these alone in my house all the time, and I say, I don't think so honey. While it happens, we love that, Okay, okay, and this is tricky, I don't think so honey. Her time starts now. Okay,

this is a little bit tired. But I follow a lot of doll collecting websites and sometimes I'll go ton they'll be selling dolls, and every time they post dolls on Facebook, they put trigger warning because some people are afraid of dolls. If we've arrived at a place where you can't scroll past some naked Barbie dolls being sold in a lot, you maybe shouldn't have a computer be on the internet. With that, and with that, the way that Barbie has become a scapegoat for people's issues and

people's problems. Let me tell you, Before Barbie, women were only allowed to play with barbe baby dolls, women were allowed to mention the moms. And then Barbie came along, and you could imagine to be single, have a house, a car, have jobs, be beautiful. And the only reason Barbie gets scapegoated as like the landing point people's in

securities is because America makes women hate their bodies. Barbie is a toy that's so popular, everyone has one, and so just because there's a been diagram doesn't mean that Barbie's at the fault of all of that. Barbie changed the lives for women forever, forever and what and there we go. And that's one minute. I any un any anti Barbie culture I'm hesitant about because I feel that it wasn't her fault and putting the blame on her is anti feminist things. It's very first thought. It's very

first thought. And that was like a Malcolm Gladwell essay trick, state like you synthesizing those two things, well, thank you. I feel very strongly about I've read my free time, I read a lot of nonfiction books about Barbie, and I couldn't be more passionate about it. Barbie is she's a scientist, she's a lifeguard, she's a teacher. She's a model, she's stunning, she's a legend, she's an icon, she has a point, she is the moment. She's a woman who

gets it. She's a woman, she's she's bisexual, she's a friend. I'm crying. She's a mother, she's a driver, she's a police officer. Until she came along, and they were basically, you can pretend to be a mom and that's it, right, Yeah, And then the reason she got to popular is because people are like a dog with boobs, I can't have that. But the greater fear than that is raising a daughter who wasn't attractive. So parents were like, well, maybe if I buy this, my daughter will have a meal ticket

because she'll have a husband. So it's a very dark past. But the heavy lifting that Barbie did for the development of like equality and women and the way that can, at least in the last ten years, she gets everything loaded on top of her is crazy. It's crazy. I mean, like people lose their minds even at like the like the differently figured the more realistically figured or or proportional Barbie like the dolls. Like everyone had a conniption, And I was like, but is it really do we do

we actually care that much? Or do we hate that idea so much that like we are going to shoot on this on Twitter for like a whole day. I yeah, how many g i jo's do see with beer bellies? Bitch? Not right? Yeah? Yeah exactly, but one and I were talking because Ben de la Cram, who we fucking love is like featured prominently in in your documentary as well.

We were talking like him eliminating himself on All Stars was the most was the most iconic thing he ever could have done, and the most dragged thing he ever could have done. Like I'm flipping around this lipstick it's my own name in this shitty white out, and I'm leaving and gonna pretend like it's an emotional moment and stomp out of here after like killing it in the way that this competition exists. Right now, I have checked ten on every box and now I'm gonna see myself

out and even the way Ru reacted. I knew that Rule loved it, Like I've I felt like Rue must have loved it, or at least I hope that Rule loved it. But the thing is like I felt like that was drag on top of drag, which made it so iconic and amazing to me. Yeah, I mean, what's more punk rock than exiting a drag competition on your own terms? It's it was hunger games like the berries,

like I'm gonna kill myself like it was that. Yeah, it was that you and you even made you even made the observation in the documentary or like after that happened, you were like me, Ben wants us to be the Olympics. But it's like it's a it's a TV shows Like Ben didn't want to wear a crown that represented also reality TV, and it's like, you really should leave then if you don't want to carry that title, if you

don't think it's ethical, you'll be happy, you know. By the way, by the way, everybody's like, no man, no bitch. I was like, but because because I'd love to wear the crowd, me and Angela were like finally, it's like we were thrilled. Angel were like everything, I think I'm gonna like it. Yes, Like like Kennedy ran backstage like she was not the father. She angela like what like this? And I was not the father. I was just thrilled.

I was like, right, right, right, it was nice. I definitely, I mean I unofficially owe her about a hundred thousand dollars. So thank you, Ben to the There's a moment in the documentary I think I keep talking about the docs. Sorry, but when it's it's the premiere. It's the premiere party for All Stars three, and then you and Ben and Kenny your back stage um, and you're talking about Katya um.

And then Ben's like, yeah, I mean like sometimes I get I get asked questions or like people were asking you about conton You're like, I don't know how to answer. Then Ben was like, yeah, I get asked questions too. And then you cut her off. You're like, why do you dress like this? And then immediately Ben picks up and it's like yeah right, and it's a mental issue,

and like you guys have such a genuine line. I'm like so funny and like I feel so like fly on the wall for like watching this interaction, even happened. I was just like, this is great. I wish for both of you to someday. I'm sure you've done it if you can, somebody be in a drag dressing room. That is where the show is. It is people who respect each other being fucking mean to each other is

so funny. I guess that's That's one more thing I want to ask, is like, so yes, like the way that the fans get heated about it at the show and the results of the show, etcetera. It's it's very high stakes. I wonder like amongst the cast when when the results are kind of happening, like you know, the Morgan McMichaels of it all, and like you know, like the the eliminations are tough from the very beginning. Is it actually dramatic and thick between you guys or are

you guys kind of like performing mixture of both? Uh? Well, you have to. It's a little bit Stockholm syndrome because it is real, especially on all stars level, because we all want this, we're all stars, were all professionals. But is Stockholm syndrome because when you've been there a week with no phone and no outside contact, you this is your bubble and this is the real world. It feels real reality TV. When you're doing well, it does feel real.

So certain things feel more emotional. When somebody's eliminated, it does feel like they're dying. It does. It feels like you're never going to see them again. You know, it's not true. Especially. What makes me laugh though, is when drag Races like two episodes in and everyone's been there two days and like, we've been here the whole competition. I'm like, you've been three days. Like chel love her to death. We're like three days into drag Race and

she's like, I miss my cat. I'm like cheating like four days. She was just like I'm exhausted. I love her. Yeah, she was a true, true true. Let's dedicate this episode to the incomparable cheat debate. If you stay ready, you ain't got to get ready the most like, so good, very good, Well, I love you. Guys. May go down to history as our longest episode, and I probably could have done it for two more hours. They could please come back literally open invitation whenever you want, like this

is truly truly fine. Well, thank you, I really appreciate it, and um, I know you guys, have a lot of similar listeners. But if anybody wants to hear bald in the Beautiful, we love making it our covid Ore covid Special, part of Artist Special comes out this week, so get into it. Check it out, check it out, into Yes and by makeup, Come by makeup stream Barbara read the book, do all that. But um, I just love you guys.

This has been such an honor. We love you back, and we got to say, oh my lord and um listen, the way we sort of wrap up every episode is famously with the song before we sing it, I want to ask you a question. Did you want you did watch Promising Young Woman? Did? So? Next week we're going to talk about Promising Young Woman. But there's a scene in it where bo Burnham knows all the words to Paris Hilton Stars are Blind? And I just want to

ask a question before we leave. Do you think straight men know the words to Paris Hilton Stars are Blind? I don't even think a lot of game that know it. No, and don't make this another plot. No, but and this is gonna this is gonna draftly carry into our conversation next week when we'll discussed the film. But for now, even though the guys can make it nice and naughty, be got at and stollen body. Let's see what do you love? King may be I'm perfect for you. Do

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