"You Can Go In Now If You Want" (w/ Natalie Walker)

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He just came in here and he's moving to Los Angeles, and we had a really emotional moment altogether. Yes, um, we all just sort of joined in a hug and enjoined. He had some very nice words to say, and I and the fucking the thing that's that's like sending me over the edges. He brought the like the original Lost Cultures his hat and that's when the hats were part of the brand back when I meant they're still the hat, They're still there. But oh my god, just what what

a journey he's been. So he's been there since the beginning. And you should know, like if you listen to Forever Dog podcast, if you love Seek Treatment, if you love Race Chaser, if you love you know black man can jump in Hollywood. Everything like this is all. It's Joe and Alex and everyone if Forever Dog that have like seriously made this such a great dynamic network. There's so many great, cool new podcasts that are still coming, and it's just really awesome to have been at Forever Dog

since the beginning. And like we watched it, we were just doing stuff at Alex's apartment and then like he would like put goofing in like the way that he would like filter out sound. Was he just put like an air mattress in the window, like like like those two boys built something together. That's so special. Yeah, I wonder how they're doing going to be separated because they're like Matt, they're like a mountain bow situation not not not quite as codependent maybe, but like I don't know,

they run a business together. They're well sure um but they Yeah, I'm just that was that was a really emotional moment. That was seriously emotional and and we all had to hold each other. Yeah, it was very special. Anyway, we love h J. You can buy an HPJ shirt at t public dot com, or a till or a pillow or whatever your heart desire. I gotta you feel this way. You throw a pillow. How que is it

didn't come in already? It came in all my merchant came in and look, I have a phone case that says I had a friend by an eraser tank top and I loved the public so much. But something about the way that that I dragged that logo to the very top left corner it could possibly go inches below the nipple, I was like, it doesn't doesn't really make sense. But well, i'll talk to our people that just speak

to them at T in public. And also I heard that you feel this way T shirt is a little see through, but the person who got it says they actually love like it's a little bit. Do you have a story to share? I told you to store to show this has just been a very stressful week, fraught, frought week, and for me it's sort of I thought it culminated in this one event where um, but that it was this took place on a Friday, Yeah, this did.

This was on Friday. I wake up have a beez or of a ship waiting for me in my bowels, just heavy, heavy, heavy poop. I walk out of my room and um my, one of my roommates is in the shower and I'm like, okay, great, it's fine, I'll just wait this out. It happens all the time. Forty five minutes later, I'm still in there, and at this point, I'm just my My dilations, let's say, are like two seconds apart, like a baby child, like a baby, like

I'm giving birth. I'm giving an as birth essentially. And then, um, really did not one of my most help one of my most helpless moments. Run to the closet where we store our plastic bags. Double bag. I mean, I don't so. I told the story last night to Pat Reag in front of the show co hosted with the Extream, and he was like, I don't know about this story. And but then basically choke this double bag and I went

back to my room. Um, oriented myself into a squat over the bags in my hand, explosively shot into two plastic bags. Um. And I want to say that it's not my roommates fault. Um, no, it is. Well, I didn't force them to not make me knock, you know, like I could have knocked. But also she was in the shower and like, no, that's also it's too long whatever. Um. So then so okay, let's get back to the I shot, I literally shot in two plastic bags. Um, My whole

rooms stinks like fucking ghost. And then I set the bag on my nightstan and I'm just like, well and I'll just I'll just test to sit there for until she gets out of the bathroom another five seven minutes. Finally she leaves. I bolt to the bathroom, slam the door, invert the bag to make the ship come out into

the toilet, flush that. I can't just throw away a poop drenched plastic bag into the trash, right, So I go to the sink, start washing it with detergent and soap, and just to make sure all at a molecular level, all the ship is gone. Um, so that way, so then I'm able to dispose of the bags. But then my sink is covered in poop dust, so then I have to take bleach and like a bunch of different cleaners. I like just did the whole I just threw everything

at the actual literal sink and washed that down. And I was like I can't I was like, I can't believe I have to go talk to Matt Damon after this and whatever. I don't know. I was like, I was like, I shot and a plastic bag this morning. Can I tell you something, Yeah, I've done the same thing really years ago. I had to ship in the plastic bag. Back when I was sharing a space. One of my lovely roommates was taking a day and a half in the bathroom. And what do you do when

you have to go? I mean, I actually asked the listeners, what do you do? You do? You have to go, and you're sharing a space, and you know when you have to go, you have to go. It's actually culture number eighteen. When you have to go, you have to go. So I shipped in the bag as well. This is years ago. This is I'm gonna say five six years ago. Destroyed a paper bag in my bad paper bag not paper plastic. I'm sorry, let's be clear, but let me

tell you something. I didn't go to the fucking needless trouble and I don't think so, honey, all the craziness that you did in the bathroom, I'm not gonna go to the You go to the garbage outside, you put it in the garbage and then the garbage people deal with it. No, but then they fucking find your ass. It's like you can't know I don't think so. I don't think you're what do what do? What do dog owners do? Do? They do? They throw those ships in the garbage, them in the garbage, in the in the

public guard garbages. I feel this way that you just get rid of it. I don't know. I might have gone to one of my neighbor's garbages. They have, they have the police. The NYPD has eyes all over the city. They see that they have eyes on every single trash. Can I'm convinced. I stand here a freemam, no household trash. My shit in a double bag, it counts as household trash. That's horrific. I really what you went through was horrific. But I feel that you made it more complicated? Would

you often do I resent that? I just I really wanted to make sure that, um, there was no risk, there was no margin of any sort of thing wrong

to happen. I get it. It's just you know, look, I think that humanity would have forgiven you had you just thrown it out God, But like there's really no moment like after you've just shipped in a bag, um and you're you still don't have access to a bathroom more toilet paper that you just sort of have this moment or you can't sit down, you can't lie down, You're you're forced to just stand there um with um like a dreadged layer of your own feces lining your

your ass, your your your your fissure in your body. And that's when you realize just how human you are. Oh my god, I don't know. Look look, but it's going to be up to the listeners. Yes, like I want their feedback on this, but yes, I want their feedback on this to what do you do? What would you do? Also? Um, you know, really really had this moment where I was like this, what a low moment.

But we have a guest, Oh we should do? Who just know she would handle the situation with poise, absolutely and she would She would be you would just have immediately have a good humor, but you would immediately have the the smartest, most most smart the most smartest, the smartest, most smart smartest from smartest, thank you, but uh, just the funniest take on it immediately the way that I

guess we'll find out, we'll find out. But the way this person, the way this person processes information or things that happen in her life, other people's lives, and then is able to speak on them, speak on those experiences. I would say, an uncommonly intelligent person. And that intelligence, and this is very academic the way I'm speaking about that intelligence is rooted directly to their sense of humor. You know, some people it's like those those places. Those

two things exist deeply different parts of their brains. Whereas, however, this person's intelligence and their sense of humor is forever length and we are grateful, and that's why we follow her at n Walk. Yes, and that's why we enjoy so much the thing she does on her social media platforms. And I will I'm about to go through the credit. So every single time this person posts, it is an event.

So this person does performances of different like archetypes oftentimes that actresses will play in film, and they are so funny and dead on from a performance standpoint. From a writing standpoint, I think most of all, because it all

starts with the text. Actually real Coach number twenty two, It all starts with the text, and I'm always g A G G E D D D D D. And then to top it off, you can also get more of these writings, these writings can be found at Vulture, and you can also see this person as an interviews on Vulture. Oh my god, did you read her her piece on the Jimmy's I have read every piece. I've read every single piece. You can check out my reviews of RuPaul's drag Race, which I now do solo. Thank

you very much. Check And now, to top it off, you thought that it was just happening on the written page, No, because this person also is a fabulous performer, superlative. Yes, And I would say, you know, just I would say, just sit around and wait to see them perform. It happens all the time. But guess what, I have specific information. This is crazy. Alice by Heart is the new musical

at MCC. It's the new musical from Get This Stephen Stater and MS Duncan Sheeps Duncan Sheep Spring Awakening the previous week in January, and this superstar is in the show. Literally truly excited to have this person on the podcast. I have been saying, this is a true cultural stock and I sometimes I even feel a sheep in wolves clothing. I feel the same way, or am I a wolf in sheep's cloth? Okay? Great? Number four. Clothing is the express expression. She's really the I think she's the one

who is just really showing us all up. She's showing us all up because it's like we think of performers now, we think of writers now, we think we have style. No, we think we have class. She's the one. She's the only Natalie Walker, and I feel how do you feel about the poop in? Oh my God? The poop intro was flawless. I've never I've never experienced it um in my personal living space, but I did. Uh. I got

diarrhea the first week at a new school. On we had to go on like a wilderness trip and literally on the way home, I was like in a car pool with two other girls who I had just met like the week before, and I got diarrhea, and I like knew it was going to happen, and I just was like, hey, can we unstop at a gas station? I think I think I think I'm getting my period. I think I'm getting my period. I'm just getting my period.

I'm getting get etheriod and we have to stop. And then also while I was at NYU, there was like a stressful day at Adler and I, uh, literally did not make it to the bathroom, like I had to leave like a Shakespearean scene study class, and I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna ship myself. I can't go on as Juliet like this. I said, congratulations, congratulation. My god. Well, no, they did it. They did it because they wanted to stretch me as an actress, because they were like, you're

an idiot clown, like, let's try you as this. And then um, we had this one teacher who, like Chloe Fund and the discussed on the show We're like in the culture of Adler. He was like this mythic figure where everyone's like, oh, my god, Jimmy says the darndest things and then you look back years later and you're like, oh,

those were all abhorrent things. And he said to me so literally after he stopped me three lines into my roman Acjuliet scene, after I got back from shipping myself and he was like, stop, stop, stop, why is your Juliet disabled? And I was like, what Jesus, what's going on?

And the thing is, it's like I was trying to play young because I've been playing four day seven year old time in my entire life he was like, no, yes, um wait, that's insane and also yes, a very real thing, and also that like these teachers they were I guess it's it's the arts, but like you can't just say whatever the fun it's rule a culture number eight. You can't just say whatever the fuck? Um wait, can we pause? I literally we can keep this. I have to must

ship right now. This can't. I'm sorry. I no, Natalie, and this is this has never happened before. I'm so sorry. I've never Okay, we're gonna okay, if you guys want to keep this going for a sexually. I truly love it because that intro was He's going, oh my god. The thing is he works is very stress yes, and so that I guess that has to do with it. But the thing is he's always been like this, Yes. Do you have someone in your friend who's like in

your friend group who's like always sitting, always shitting? Oh my god. Probably I feel like I just have. I don't know if they shipped that much, but they just are always announcing it, like whenever they come back from the bathroom, They're just like, oh my god, what a ship. And I'm like, I don't need to know every time exactly, and I know it was a particularly stressful week, like

this is like the last week before they break. So here he is, and like there's like a lot happening, but it's we never it's never about this much ship and pop on Lost Cultures. And you know that I know that as a fan of the pod. Now, I truly, honestly this is like a perfect little break because it is so out of body for me, as such a ridiculous fan girl of the podcast, Like I feel like I am making this up. Like listening to you guys talk about me was insane. I'm like, who is this guest?

I feel like I'm like in my apartment, like I usually listen to the pod when I'm like trying to power myself up to get out of my depression bed I've been, especially in the wintertime. I'm like, culture does please help me? Um? So, I truly I feel like I'm in bed and I'm like, oh my god, this guest sounds so good. Do you know that you're an obsession worthy topic of gays nationwide? That is so delightful. We have l a gay friends and they that you

apparently are a character and their text threat. That Wasie Walker post. Yes I saw Louis Vertell say that, and I you know, he's very discerning. He is incredibly discerning you and all of those people. It's very weird for me because like I have been following all of them like on Twitter and like seeing them for so long, so much longer than I was ever a person, So

stuff like that is incredibly psycho to me. And like like Joakim Booster, like I went to his, I went to Model Minority like you did Ago, Dan Lempert brought Dan Lempert was like, we're going to this thing, Chris Murphy. It was me, Dan and Chris and Chris like went up and was like the youth guest with Aaron. But

I was like, oh my god, yes that night. I think that's why I ended up going because I like that was like the tipping point was that I was like, oh, Matt and Bowen are going on, Like I already listened to college because I am a long time fan, because we had met at and I think we had even met before that a couple of times, because I think into each other a couple of times, but when you know, chaotic time of course, and I was fully drinking the kool aidve Adler. So I was just like wearing all

black and being like, oh I am the seagulls. Yes, yes, but Chloe was like the Queen of Adler. Like really Chloe was as a serious actress like the Queen of Adler. And I was a person that like at all of my panels they would be like, well, we know you can do a clown role. Yeah, I did Speed the Plow and my teacher was like, the boys were big, but they were truthful. Oh, because it's speed the plow. And yes, there's no fucking roule. There's no great role

for a woman, the female. The female rolling speed the plow is literally come on, be dumb, then be a bit the end in humiliation that on Broadway. Jeremy, Okay, so listen, how did it go? It was? It was good. Thank you so much for supporting me in that moment. What I told Natalie while you were gone was, um, that she is a topic of gays nationwise, because you know, the l A gay is also like the they're they're they're text threads about her and amongst LA gays, we've

taught our New York gay thread. I think that those l A gays who literally live and die for the Oscars and those kinds of things, like it really hits with them because you truly do nail the sort of like I am the actress in this movie and this is the role I'm being given, and you know you really like you must have like are you like an Oscar girl? Yeah? Yeah, Okay, So I want to talk to you about Awards season because aren't we feeling like it's a little cookie this year? It always feels cookie

feel here's the Awards. Yeah, it's well. Also, I feel like this is a year where people have more than ever before, been like really staunchly advocating for less prestige, like less movies that present as prestige movie actually get recognized, which I think is like so fucking great. Um, But yeah, it feels like there's more passion on on both sides about it. Interesting, that's that's the right interpreted I think. So. But here's the weird thing, And here's here's my take

right now on the whole Oscar season. And I actually think it has to do with like sort of like like the stuff that you do online and everything, the category fraud that is happening this year, it is out of control. Can we talk about the SAG Awards nominations. The supporting Actress category is not acceptable, even even the globes, all of them, all of them, because look, we've all seen the favorite. Yes, I fucking live for the favorite.

I think the Favorite is incredible. You cannot look me in my eyes and tell me that Emma Stone and Rachel Vice are supporting actresses. And you know what, sometimes when the category is very thick and there's thank god, a ton of great actress potential nominees this year, thank god, I'm sorry, they are not supporting actress and you are

taking it away from I'm sorry Regina King. Regina King does not get a supporting Actress nomination at the SAG Awards, and the nick Natania Rogers was saying other oh, Nathana

Roger said, Michelle Yo did deserve to supporting action. She definitely deserves to be considered, but but you can not put her up against someone like I'm sorry, Emily Blunt in a quiet place, who is a lead, and it just gets to do more and then say, let's compare them, because if you compare them, you are and you're there allowed to be up and so I would move on this podcast right now. There needs to be Wow, do

you think No? I definitely think because also, like even when I love the person and they end up like the fact that Violet Davis won supporting for Fences just ship Psycho, that is a leading role that Jerry is that whole fucking story more even than the character of Troy and Fences. It's like it's Rose's story really, and so she should have won lead that year. I think that's the year Emma Stone one for La La Land And I'm not mad at Emma Stone ever, but like

Violence should have been nominated. Yes, I feel like it was. It was a decision that was made because the studio didn't have faith that Viola could win over Emma, and I think that was rod. I think that was a mistake because I think Violet should have been nominated in lead and should have one lead. Violet Davis should have a leading actress. This moment in time seals gender specific to they is mostly centered on on on the female.

You are so right because it's something that they'll do, like like I will fucking snap my neck if Sam Rockwell gets a nomination for Vice for playing George because and you know, I love sketch comedy, but it is a sketch comedy performance. I've seen the film. That's what it looked like. It is a sketch comedy performance. You might as well have Will Ferrell doing it, and it

probably would have been even better. But the thing is, like, it's true, these famous actors can fucking like basically come in and like do a dance step in these movies and they get nominated for like doing this bullshit, Whereas like, why is it hard to acknowledge real supporting actresses? And I feel like what I would say is like it's got to be a screen time thing. If you're in more than thirty, if you're in more than the movie, how about that. I'll even say that you cannot be

nominated for supporting actress. It doesn't make sense. Emma Stone is the protagonist of the favorite. That's that. And when I'm talking about like iconic supporting actress performances, like what it is about what that category specifically about is about to me is making a meal out of a snack. And like, I think that's the job of that category is to reward the actress that does that. That is able to take a little bit and stretch it out like my favorite winners of the people that won for

like seven minutes of screen right, I agree with you. Yeah, I think that's what that's for. I think I think thank you for adding your voice to this movement. I think we need to ring the alarm. Oh I'm sucking ringing the alarm. And the thing is it really happens every year, but this year, I'm like really disappointed in actors because it's like, this is crazy, because we should know more than anyone else, like that, like the supporting players,

like that's those are important roles. And it's like, I under I love that actors love Emily blood You know what I mean. I love Emily Bonds. I live for Emily Bloods. You love her so much. Fucking nominator twice and in the lead actress she was fucking great in a quiet place and I am positive she's delightful. Have you seen it? Oh? I did, because I ranked it from I ranked the soundtrack for Vulture so fucking good.

And I was expecting not to like it because I went to the screening and at the top of it was one of those screenings where they come out and They're like, you're going to leave with such a smile on your face and I was like, we'll see about that, and then wow, yeah. And also she is unbelievably fuckable in this movie, like really ranking that comes an exploration of like all of my just like gay subs, like

very pop in her as. Yeah, she's because she's just so uh where Julie Andrews like played the by like prim side of it. She was beautiful. Yeah, she's gorgeous, but she's sort of like she's sort of like untouchably beautiful and like almost a brunette Hitchcock blonde. But Emily Blunt is like very dry and like domineering. And the way that her first musical moment is her instructing the kids on how to take a bath, and I was like, this is so much for me bath, Like is that

pretty much it? Yes? And then she and then her line readings like she does change it up, but so many of them are my favorite kind of line reading where she's just like, well, I suppose absolutely, you have

no idea. I'm a obsessed with Emily Black. I think she should have had a Supporting Actress nomination for Double Work product like that if if supporting actress were correctly structured to show off performances like Emily Blunt's and Double Works product where it's like a starmaking moment, then and that's the thing is, it's like you get the sense that it's all to make up for something, and it's like,

don't just do it right the first time. I hate the concept of like getting out an award for another thing, like Colin Firth went for King's speech when he should have won first single man, I'm like to stop doing Oh my god, I mean, and they they shot their

load with them anyway. I mean, not that she didn't deserve the win originally, but like if she I'm sure no. Here's what it is for her though, is that they don't feel comfortable pushing her as best Lead Actress because they're like, well, we're not going to take our chances and like have that being sept close proximity with La Lallians they I think, here's what happened. They wanted the nominator. They were they were saying, how do we get the

most nominations? Whereas I think what they the fair thing to do? And I think what I would have let them get away with I actually would have let them get away with this is if they put both Emma Stone and Rachel Vice in the lead, see where the chips fall, where they make guarantee. Ema Stone gets nominated. Rachel Vice probably loses out. Debatable whether she should or shouldn't, but politically it's probably the way it would go. Olivia

Coleman would win Supporting Actress. And I think that out of the three of them, if you had to gun to your head, say which one is the supporting actress, it is Olivia. And are you saying and is the general conversation around Olivia that she doesn't have her chances of winning Best Lead are not super great? Well, I will not vote for her for Best Actress for SAG And my reasoning for that is it's not that I don't think it's the it's a great performance. I just

think it's not a true leading performance. And I'm out of principle, I am not I am not voting for Well, I have to see everything still, but everyone's going to be so mad, but I can't resist it. But also, can you resist you're not gonna? I Well, first of all, she's non union, she's union, she's been she's simply not union. She's been she's been in think must join after season two, season three, and she's not Unions and Gaga, she's my god, you are not union. That's ridiculous. We have to have

a movement. She's joining Actors Equity finally for but like for being non union. That what if it was? But if I was like God, guy's sea points like st get weather Van and I will say this. Despite having the most money here at this table, I guarantee you have can you vote? Did you play your dues? I did pay my dues. I haven't gotten screeners. They have the wrong address, froom. But I'll figure it out. You'll figure it out. But listen, as if we could all vote,

what would you say? I'm forgetting what else? There's Melissa, Melissa, there's Melissa, there's um Yeah, yeah, there's Olivia. There's Melissa, there's Msgaga, there is um I guess Viola Davis missed it. Oh, there's an Emily and Mary Poppins. That's it's not an Oscar. You don't feel this way perform I don't feel this way. I loved it, but I'm like, you're not going to vote for for an Oscar, despite Julie Andrews bizarrely winning

from Mary Poppins back in the day. Well it was I feel that the Julie Andrews win was basically them saying like fuck you to Audrey Hepburn Audrey because they gave Audrey My Fair Lady after Julie Andrews originated it, and then uh, they passed over Julie when they did the movie version, but then Julie did Mary Poppins, they

didn't even nominate Audrey Hepburn. I live for drama like this. Yeah, they didn't even nominate Audrey, So I feel like it was sort of weirdly a show of solidarity with Julie Andrews having put in all that work and then they passed her over for someone that could not see a very sunset boulevard narrative which we're seeing play out. Hey, folks, it's the new year, and starting a healthy routine and

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go a nice set of wheels. It's like you're referring to the whole by its parts. Let's hear these nobs. Um. We have Emily, as you said, we have Glenn Olivia Gaga, my own noted enemy from the asked. I don't think, well, okay, and this is gonna make me really I've actually seen I've seen the favorite. I've seen um clearly, and I've seen you. Forgive me. You haven't seen you. I haven't seen can you ever forgive me? I would have seen the wife I've seen the Wife. I honestly might go

of I think I might go with Melissa McCarthy. I really really loved that movie. She was really good in that movie. Well for me, like she was she was giving you a great performance in such grounded nous, But like it didn't fully click until that courtroom scene. Right, Yeah, I don't know, but yeah, no I'm not. I'm not that. Sometimes it doesn't Dane on you to the courtroom scene, actually sixty six. Sometimes it doesn't dawne ontroom scene. I

couldn't remember what I said. Remembered famously last year who got my vote? Margot Wow for Sag for Sag And it was the courtroom scene that did it. But mostly that scene where she was like putting her makeup on. All Right, any scene of putting on makeup or taking off makeup, I want to watch for it. Can you can you do that for your next audition video map

makeup scene? Yeah? Um, I've like private moment. Chloe Fineman again, um has has has sort of mimified steering, I think, which I saw like right after I saw Tully and I was like steering real acting, and then I saw that video from Chloe I was like, how her mind person Um, I feel like you could do like a bathtube acting thing. I'm super into bathtube acting moments with the wine, um so many coin or the thing where

you go underwater. I'm just long enough. Need to breathe again, and you can put like a fake montage over like remember what she's thinking about? Ye wait, you need to do private makeup moment. Yeah, private must happen like maybe like the like interior like monologue like written below. Yes, because I do need more prop work ones. I think that's the next front that I've done a wordless one. I feel like I'm just I need to continue continue shifting. Although I feel like is this here to say? I

feel like, were you mind? A lot of the comedy in your other videos is that these are characters who are peripheral to some lead character. Is that there to say? It's like, it's like, is it deliberate in that it

doesn't It isn't usually the lead role. Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing is I feel like the makeup the makeup scenes are usually in movies that I actually like, where I think the character is actually compelling legitimately, isn't like a man writing a woman and like, oh my god, but I think, but I think I think this isn't this is a good except the makeup thing is a good. Except yes, I think I think it's just it's it's like niche enough where it's like, yeah, I think it's

you can make it work. But anyway, yeah, this I mean, and then support should look at supporting. Yeah it's a joke, Okay, Amy Adams in Ice, who you who you love? I loved um, I loved Emily Blunt in a quiet place, Margot Robbie Mary Queen of scott which is insane thing. It's psycho that that's happened. When the when the trailer first came out, everyone was a little was pretty gooped. They were like, this looks amazing, this is gonna be

great everyone. I was the only one saying, I think Margo looks better because Marco is like, Margot is doing Eddie Redmain's voice. Yeah, she's she's doing Anie Redmain drag, drag, that lack of eyebrows too, Like it's all, yeah, it's all Eddie redmaan drag. That's all it comes back to. And then the favorites and then the favorites girls, Yes, um, I think Rachel vices. I think Rachel VISs actually has

the hardest part. She well, that's a tough one. Like Emma Emma gets like end Baxter Rule, which is like fun and cute. And yes, I think that Emma Stone has an extremely difficult part because she has to appear like likable to the Queen while we know she's being sneaky, and she didn't do this like Reese Wetherspoon and Vanity fair thing of like I'm being really sneaky and it's obvious, but no one that I'm talking to can tell. It's like Emma Stone was genuinely like you get while the

other characters bought into her. And then Rachel Weiss has to play exactly and Rachel Weiss has to play like I fucking see you, bitch and watch it. And also she just has to say so strong while also being so They're all three of them are just so. It's an amazing that the end. Yeah, I love him so much. I loved the lobster. I loved killing up a sacred deer like he's miss Orgos. Yes, Orgos, he creates a world. He creates a world, and I in tone specific tone,

the best. I forgot that he was killing it a sacred dear, what a different thing he can do it all that bit. Yes, and that movie is really fucking good and I wish I wish that. I wish that it felt like you know what's crazy too? That movie doesn't get an ensemble lamination, oh because everyone is good

in it, even the guys. Guys do their jobs similar to the men and Mom and Mia, where they like know that it's not about them, but they're still doing their best, like they're committing to it, but they also know what their role in the movie is. Nicholas women making a meal out of it, making a meal out of a snack, make me out of it. And even um Taylor Sis boyfriend. Yeah, he was good, he was very good. He was good. I liked it all pretty

much all around. And it's bizarre because it's like, I think it's weird because sag After really fucked up again with this nominate, with the film nominations or the cast nominations, because they did both of their things that I think are wrong. They did the thing where it's like, well, it's a big cash so it asked to be nominated. Bohemian Rhapsody. It is a hellscape rash the ensemble of Bohemian. I thought my brain was broken when I read I

really did, literally for doing what? For doing what? That movie is one of is one of the worst things I've sat through. I think. Remember, I couldn't see it, but I was just like, who is in the movie? I've heard nothing about any I've heard nothing about any performances, even like he was terrible. All Rommie does is he sticks his fist up in the air and like just the a actually that he takes with with doing Freddie. I thought was that it was so cheesy and corny.

That was a sketch performance too. Absolutely. I mean there was moments towards the end where I was like, Okay, I guess it's getting me a little bit. But that has so much more to do with Queen than the movie was. Like that music is full proof. Yeah, you're like, oh, the music is good, like and that's not that doesn't needed the container of this film that is two and a half hours long. It's like, and this is my thing. It's like, so can you read the nominations for the films?

I believe it's Foreman d Crazy Rich Asians, Black Panther, and then a Star is Born and a fifth one. Okay, sorry sorry, the best Ensemble. Okay, oh sorry, sorry I skipped through, um a weekend. Okay, here we go. Yeah, Stars Born, Black Panther, Black Klansman, Bohemian Napstick, Crazy Rich Asians, Black Klansman. I don't I didn't see that. I have to see. That's just good. It was good. It wasn't like it wasn't the best Spike Lee. It wasn't like the best Like to me, it's like, I have to

see a Black Klansman still. But if that seems like if they want to nominate that, it's it's great. But for me, it's like, Okay, then we have Black Panther and Crazy Rich Asians, two big casts, two great casts. But like but but it's like Prestige Awards. I don't know. I think Black Panthers phenomenal and I love I live for Crazy Rich Asians. They don't feel and it's not that they need to feel awardsy, it's just like hot, did we just do this because it was a big cast? Right?

But I still love that they're both nominated. But then like, on the other side of that, it's like then my Behaving Rhapsody, Why Star is Born Bohemian Rhapsody. I think they I think it probably came out at the right time, and like, um, I think they saw a big cast, and I think that off this often happened. Not a big cast, it is they just don't all don't do anything. Is there literally, like any person other than m Malleck that's like a person I really. That's my other criticism

with the movie, the supporting characters. It's like the rest of the It's like the rest of the members of Queen have no personality, no personalities. And then it's the woman that he kept like that he had a relationship with, the most vacant performance ever, and the man that he ended up just partnering with before he passed away. Like it's like, truly such peripheral, unrealized characters, Like, yeah, that that's Alan Leach, who plays the manipulative gay lover, the

character I hate, is performing in the act. But it's like what else I mean? And then with the Star is Born, it's like, Okay, you really like those two performances, Yeah, and maybe Sam Elliott And then no one else does anything. No one else has given really an opportunity to do anything, William and if William and Chantela nominated as part of the cast, well that because those are the only two other characters that I cared about. Who are you nominating

instead of them? Like that stretch of the movie is the best, best part of the movie. You know what's crazy The rules are and this is a big I don't think so, honey from me is you have to appear on your own title card to be nominated as part of the cast. So Harry Shum Jr. From Crazy Ridge Asians gets nominated. And you know who doesn't? The

single mom? You know who doesn't? Um. You could rattle up Ken Jong, probably know Ken Jong does, but I guarantee his wife doesn't like big, big roles in the movie. Um gemma chance husband in the movie does not get a nomination. Major parts of the film, major roles Harry Shum Jr. Fucking God, blessing, appearing in the post credit. I lovely for appearing in the post credits. I mean between those movies, for me, what makes the most sense

is honestly, Black Panther. That's probably what because great entmble, great performances considered across the board. Yes, across the board. But can I say something controversial. It's crazy to me that the person being singled out as the one who gives like the best slash most memorable performance that people are like maybe supporting actor is Michael B. Jordan's. I think he gives the weakest performance in the movie. I

think villain and showed up and acted tough. I think that if there's a if there's a performance in that movie that is superlative, it is Oh. I think Denigeria

is absolutely a star. I what you're talking about with Michael B. Jordan is actually something that I loved about his performance because I felt like that character, because of his past, because of yeah, he would have like tried to harden himself after like that heartbreaking disappointment and like the moment with his father like that, Once that moment between him and Sterling K. Brown happened, I was like, Oh,

I get it. He has like invented this protective persona of a bad guy, Like all of this is stemming from that. And then I felt like that also carried through to his uh his climactic scene, like there there was so much vulnerability there. Um so I felt like it was sort of a damn bursting type thing. Um So I actually I really I really love him in that movie. For me, it's it's it is the Nigeria raser to to not watch to watch that movie and not be like the supporting performance in this movie that

should we should be talking about. Sure, And I feel like it's because she's not as big of a star. Sure, Sure, but she will be fine, she'll be fine money, but a Broadway playwright. She but I want to give credit where it's due, the nomination. But of course when we're when we're talking about when we are literally having this thing of okay, I pooped earlier, Yeah, I'm crying over famously, it's rule of coach number eighty. What do we not do over spilled milk? But but it's it's just interesting

to me. Obviously the industry is like chopping at the bit to want to reward Michael B. Jordan's and I think it's like, Okay, I know we're excited about this movie. But for me, anyway, I hear what you're saying. Yeah, I hear what you're saying, but I also hear what you're saying because I like noticed it. But I felt like it was part of his performance. And that's stuff that I'm always down to discuss, Like I'm so much more interested in discussing from a standpoint of like I

see what this actor was doing. Then I am from the standpoint of like, oh, they're bad, like I was Shaw Williams and Cabaret, and I loved what she did. And then I felt like a lot of the reviews were just like she was bad, and I'm like, no, that's the point, and she's doing a thing and it's actually so stupid to be like she's bad because she's one of the smartest actresses around. I think she's so good and I feel pretty, which like I didn't live for the movie, but she's brilliant in it. She's like

the most compelling part of it. She's like giving you a baby Madaline con performance. And I was so happy to see her like being dumb and having fun at the end, at the gall or whatever the big event is, Like that is like the true like beat before she

starts talking. Yes, when she it's like it's insane and it's inspired and it is brilliant and I'm sure it's all intentional and deliberate, and you know her head on the table, although I will say she's absolutely heinous and venom that I'm unfortunately, why is she in this one? Like what possessed her to do this? You know she's in a movie and probably so excited for her in the Fossy Show. I'm going to lose my mind. I totally forgot. Yeah, she's she's Gwen Burden in the Fossey

Show with Sam Rockwell, wait are they're doing so? I'm sorry, I'm so oh no, no worries so played dumb. So it's a Fosse It's it's a Bob Fossey like growth retrospective things. Um no, it's um X is doing it, I believe, and it's I think, yeah, I think it's Yeah, it's a mini series. I think it's like looking at a specific section of his life. I forget which show he's working on in the context of the show, but it's Sam Rockwell as Bob Fosse and Michelle as Gwen

Verdon and I'm so excited for it. And they're like a bunch of normal Leo Butts is like, it's yeah, it's they're really casting like a bunch of legit theater actors to round out round out the cast. But I love very excited about it. I mean, Michelle fucking books work, Michelle books. I mean she'sn't like a lot of ship.

Good for her, Yeah, it's great for her. Whenever I see her happy, it really does film spirit because you know, there have been periods of her life where she has been unhappy, and so we love to see her happy, even when she's absolutely learning her line fifteen minutes before there's a scene where she gets fired from her job because and she's like, she's literally the movie is horrible. Stop. But Jenny s but you said is by far the best part of it because she knows how bad the

movie is. Yes, I was talking to someone about your assessment of her and that when she does thirty plus year old woman who's someone who's lived a full, full adult life point she's going to die and she the way she feels about her life ending is it's so

genius and honestly that maybe I love that. What is the part of the movie that Michelle Wills gets fired and that you were going to say, so she gets fired because Tom Hardy does some ship where like she's like he like us, it's his girlfriend is Michelle Williams, and he like uses like some stuff in her job. She's like a big fancy lawyer. And then she's like carrying her little box of ship outside of her like corporate building, and she goes, you are unbelievable. I can't

believe this. How could you? And it's like less personality and character than that. I feel like, you know what, don't call me anymore? And they live together. She's like and then like, I don't know, it's funniest honestly, maybe maybe she's actually genius in it, Like Okay, I don't know. Are we Are we getting a revived discussion around camp because I feel like a star Sporn sort of kicked that into gear. Maybe Venom is camp. Maybe Venom I'll

tell you what was Camp nut Cracker? In the Four Realms? Was Camp Bring Myself? Kiera Knightley is doing Burnette Peters as moaning Myrtle, and it is leavable. The layers in that moaning Myrtle, you can do impressions truly referenced trickingometry in my brain. Kiera Nightley has a big heel turn as the sugar Plump Ferry, where it turns out she

was evil the whole time. I love that literally a moment where like the maybe she'sn't talking like this, and then she like mobilizes the toy soldiers she has just brought to life against Clara. And then she like the first thing she does she turns back whence Whence their person says, she guess, hello boys, And it's unreal. I truly gassed, honestly. The thing is, though, like you had to think like maybe that was going to happen, because whenever there's like a huge actor in a part and

you're like, why are they ask that question? Are they evil? Richard E. Grant is the not kraker at the Four Realms. He's like the king of the Shiver Realm. He's the king of a snowrooms booking. All of a sudden, he's the fucking oh my god, why am I blinking on his name from last year just to call me by her name? And uh, he's like the Stolberger this year. Yeah, he's he's popping up in everything and he's can you

ever forgive me? And to me debris mussessed in him and like he's having like yes, like thirsting for and it destroys me. And now she like, because she knows that I saw his two major films this year. She will text me like, just photos of him and Natalie. What's wrong with me? Yeah, I've seen Instagram story and I think she's included Richard and some right. Yeah, yeah, yeah to me, he'll always He's always in Forever Spiceworld as the manager. Yes, God's bast world just so formative.

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Speaking of formative a perfect I guess we should ask the question that we ask every single one of our guests, and we were asking this question, look at fifty two minutes of this episode, which I love. I love that for us to be fair, thirty minutes did so what was the culture Natalie Walker that made you say culture is for me? It was the culture that formed you at a young age, that truly brought you. It's a whirlwind,

but you ended up in this chair right now. Yes, yes, Um, I am sort of a fifty fifty split between both of my parents, and both of my parents have like wildly desparate cultural influences, and so from my dad, my dad had a whole collection of VHS tapes of The Twilight Zone with like a huge booklet that he got on like eBay in the early days that was like a synopsis of every episode before like DVDs came with that stuff. Um, And so there was like a huge

booklet with synopsis of every episode. And I loved watching those so much. I love never had this before. Yeah, I really love Twilet Zone. And I'm so excited for the Jordan people. Every announcement about the Jordan peele version incredible. I'm so excited. Just like the one thing I do want so badly. And when I was at Comic Con for Vulture, there was God what was his name? I'm I feel so bad, but he is um the co

producer on New Twilight Zone. But he was there to plug the new um oh Jean Gray movie The Turner, and so they brought him in and with all of those I was like, I don't care about the actual comic con thing. I was like, I want to get into Twilight's and so I was like, we talked about Twilight Zone forever, and I was and I was just like, all I want is a remake of Time Enough at Last with Jeffrey Wright in the British Meritage role, because that's one of my favorite episodes of Twilight Zone ever.

But I would all the time. I love Time Enough at Last, which is um the one where he just wants to read books and his wife is horrible to him and everyone is mean to him, and then he goes down into uh the like basement of his office, UM, and he and like there's a huge bomb that goes off above ground, and he comes back up and everyone has gone. But then he's like walking around and there's a library and he's like, oh, I have all the time to read all of these books, like all of

these books are mine. And then his glasses break and he is blind without them, and he's just alone with all these books. And it's the most heartbreaking thing because I'm I'm legally blind without my contacts. Um so like, and I grew up with like coke bottle glasses. I had no friends growing up, like none at all, and so I really felt for this, like, oh, sad, sad,

middle aged man um with a bitch wife. Who Now I'm like, maybe we should do it where it's gender because really a big part of it looking back is that his wife is like a nightmare. Bit yeah that's me. Um. I love that one. I love um. Monsters Are Do on Maple Street is one where like this whole street just like random lights keep going off and it's like

a McCarthy is um uh parallel. It's so good and I feel like now is the exact right time to bring it back because like so much of it in its original incarnation was like about social parallels, and Jordan Peele is obviously the exact right person to do it. They tried to reboot it in two thousand two, which is a very fun like bad Watch. There's an episode

where Katherine Heigl, yes, yes, she was a baby. Katherine Heigel goes back in time to kill Hitler and she but like she goes back too far and she's Hitler's babysitter. We It's an episode called Cradle of Darkness and it is truly unreal. It is unreal. There's a spoiler, there's the way that that ending happens as Wild and I won't spoil it for you because it is a camp classic to me, insane. She's like maybe even like she's like twenty two or something. During it, Forest Whittaker does

the rod sterling like voiceovers and stuff. Yeah, it's it's wild. Molly Sims does I have a Beholder? Which is another one of my favorite episodes. Yeah, it's all of these people that are either about to become huge or are people that Hollywood thought was going to be like these are these are the next people? Oh? Amber Tamblin is an in an episode. It's wild, um, because I'm excited for an actual good one. It's one of my goals

as an actor to do something scary. Yeah, I really want to do something scary, and you know, what's crazy. I hate scary shit, like I really bothershed me, but I always I in my writing sometimes like and like I would love to perform something scary because I love immersive stuff like that, like stuff that I don't understand. You won't even watch Killing Eve because you think it's

too scary. Well anyway, and it's how dare you Olivia cole than that No no no no no no no no. Fleback Fish is in Fleaback the day you have to see. I haven't seen the whole way here. I'm so I'm bad, So listen. But I want to get back into twiltone because I want to connect it to something. But what was the other? Fift is from my mom? And my

mom was more musically inclined. And my mom also like volunteered at our church and like she's not super religious now, like she never goes, but I think she just wanted to be in charge of as many things as possible,

so she would like direct art. Yeah, she was like she would direct our Christmas pageant every year, and she put in uh, she like scrapped the script from before she was running it, and then she was like, we're going to put in all these songs from Preacher's Wife and like who would imagine a King and Sister Act and so like my mom, but all of those songs that and so six Stract two I feel like was very incredically formative, truly one of my favorite favorite movies.

And it makes me, it makes me crazy that they did a Broadway musical of The Lesser Sister Act. It's how can you not have Joyful? Joyful? How can you? It's It's one of those examples of a sequel that is so objectively superior to the original. I've never happened sharell Lee Ralph speaking of support and making a meal out of a snack. Shaw Lee Ralph has an entire arc over the course of Joyful Joyful In three cutaway shots to sharell Lee Ralph, she's mad and we're like,

oh no, she's not going to support. The middle of the song, she's kind of getting into it, and she lives, she lives, and we went on a whole journey. The line I am so proud of you that is acting. Yeah. The line take off your robes your teacher says, take off your robes is one of my favorite headset Harriet headset woman, that your teachers. I've never seen they never yell at me, never yet, never yell at shut up,

baby baby. Jennifer love Hewitt is in the class doing nothing great iconic whoopee and yea icon a happy day when she's la la la la la la God the best that there's a scene where a male student hits a whistletone when oh, yeah, it was higher than that, but it is, oh my god, such a good movie. Yeah, and Lauren Hill when she sings his Eyes on the Sparrow, that was a star's born moment. It's her and her best friend in the movie are just like sitting at

a piano and they do the most gorgeous harmonies. Yeah, it's And then they had this exchange where, um, Lauren's goes to the friend. She goes, hey, you could really make it, and she goes, no, this is for church. You could really make it, and Lauren's like, wow, I don't know. And then basically what you get from the scene is that she could really make it. Famously, Lauren Hill really made actually real culture number one hundred and three. Famously,

Lauren Hill really really made it. I don't know if she did that. That's debatable. Well, no, but then but now it's like it's but now it's just whatever we've we've We've had a whole with Chloe. We had a whole discussion about Chloe, about about miseducation. Anyway, Um, this is these are two two great pieces and they do sort of add more texture to Natalie. What Natalie does? I think. I think it's we obviously have the performance and the creation. Can I connect something? Because I famously

am a Walt Disney World gay. Now being the fan of Twilight own that you are, have you experienced the Tower of Terror? I have? I have. I was very scared. I want to go back so badly. I have not been to Disney forever, and being a huge fanatic of the podcast as I am, I've heard so much about Disney and I'm like, oh, every time you make me want to go, you make me want to go back. But I did. I did go the last time I was there, when I was like or something, I'm so scared.

I was so scared. I think that the Tower of Terror crosses over into art. Actually it is. It is actually an artful ride and the entire experience is amazing and even into what sleep no More wishes it was sleep, no market only dream of being Tower of Terror whenever that whenever like the cast members that two are getting lazy and being nice. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, that's not it. You have to commit. And when they are,

when they're scary, that is when it is art. I have to tell you, like from from your right, from beginning to end, the Tower of Terror is. If they ever tear it down, like to put some bullshit with their I p up. I'm I'm an actually down there in protest because i feel it should be a national landmark. I'm not even kidding. We have to have towers tower on this on this planet because if we lose it,

I will be So we have to. It's like it's like it's like, honestly, like the Arc to Triumph, This this thing that most that people with disabilities cannot access, so they can they can. It is a a compliant and you know it is compliant. You know. Wait, honestly, it's so fucking good and and like I love that, Like you can go there now and experience that piece of culture that is the Twilight Zone. Through that the

attraction which millions of people do every every day. You know I love millions thousands, um millions do every year roughly, but um, I have to tell you what's happening in Orlando right now. What they're gearing up for is to shake them up, shake them up. It's shake up. Are you big? Next time you went to Disney World? It's been a long time. Yeah, no, No, it was my junior year of college or something. Okay, so it's it's yeah,

it's sort of. It's sort of recent. But I didn't have that much time, and I don't have the encyclopedic knowledge of it. I have large swats of blind spots. Just I wouldn't dare take a culture kind of time with this in the poet. But I feel that in the early days I used to really give updates and I just want to give a short update. So Star Wars Land is coming, and it looks like there was going to be a Millennium Falcon attraction. It's opening, um like late fall. So this year, um, there's gonna be

a Millennium Falcon attraction. Which one it's going to be six people. One is the pilot ones like the shooter, ones like the this one, so that it's gonna be a would be like a hologram oscar Isaac. I would be into it. Yeah, for sure, he could break my arm. Yeah. Um. Then there's gonna be a Battle of the First Order attraction, which is like more of a dark ride experience, and that whole thing, And those are the two attractions there.

There's gonna be a cantina which is alcohol, which you know it's different for for Disney, and very much very that um toy storyline is up in Roaring. I have to just add something. By the end of the space I keep coming. Um. Epcot is getting a Guardian too, the Galaxy roller coaster, which is the biggest building in Epcot. It's going to be state of the art. You can look and see what kind of technology they're using for the ride system. It's going to be out of control.

It's gonna be able to swing three sixty and be a fully launched roller coaster. Um, you are fucking no. I just want you to get through that, um and et cetera. And also over at Universal there's gonna be a Harry Potter roller coaster, which will be the most highly themed full roller coaster in our land, which I don't I don't know what that means. Highly but our beer at the top, you guys to Bay and then

Natalie Walker does. Yes, there's rumors that we're getting a Jurassic Park roller coaster that will be themed to Raptors, that will be eventually as high fet and be launched and be the fastest roller coaster in our land. I'm not dragging you. I'm just saying some of I love a coaster will actually know. The more I have, the more I evolve in my relationship to theme parks, the more I realize that coasters are key and those more

like that Millennium falcon right that you just described. I was like, as soon as you said that, I was like, okay, Like cool, there's a pilot, there's this, there's a that, there's a that like literally all that amounts to is one person pressing a button. They're literally yes, like it's it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter. And but then but then I'm thinking, oh, but the coasters are what I

actually like. Those are like because the button thing, it's like, well, I can just stay at home and play video and you often do, and as I often do. But then, um, it's the it's the coaster, it's the highly themed coasters. We need coasters, and don't worry because they're coming. I sometimes feel that these theme parks try to impress us with screens and buttons, and it's just I can get that anywhere, baby, I just truly I don't need to play. I don't need to pay upwards of hundreds of dollars

to play a video exactly. Oh, do you have an update on Tron roller Coaster coming? Yes, it's coming, and

they've just broken ground. It's anniversary and also all of tomorrow it's so it's just disney World for now, just Disney World for now, but Orlando's getting it and it's coming has been broken, They've shut down, They've shut down the the, the the railroad in order to do it, and they're gonna move the the tomorrow Land Speedway to make room for this, and it's gonna go right behind Space Mountain and all all of tomorrow Land is getting a visual rebrand to go along with Tron because it's hard,

it's hard to make futuristic with Trons there, and but also a lot of people are would you agree that I feel like light Cycle is the spiritual successor of Space Mountain and to put that next to Space Mountain is very much in all about Eve situation, and they will fight. They will fight, they will it will be tense. The hundred yards between the two attractions will be tense. It will be at ten hundred yards. Here's here's what you will never get anywhere else. Tower of Terror is

the Addison to Wit. You will never get this on any other podcast where we describe Whalt Disney World rides in terms of Addison de Witt, in terms of Betty, in terms of and Baxter. Bitch, we're comparing like this. This is what you get here, celest Home is a yes, yes, I just like it's been a while since I no, no, yes, I'm glad you and I want to propose something to you off off the mike just because oh my god, I had a trip fall through and I think I

need to go. I need to go very soon, much sooner than it might even have to be an impromptu trip in the next few weeks. That's what I'm saying. Wow, bitch, okay, listen, I have some updates for you. I'm filt these updates. I'm unhappy to hear that a trip fell through, Yes, well for you for good reasons and for bad. But yes, okay, well listen, I'm always down to go. Like, here's the thing, Like, I am a theme park. We know that. Yes, yes, do you even do six flags? I do? I do

six flags? I have done six flags. You don't. You don't have to appease them, guys, please your culture. She's talking about art like Twilight, Classic TV, and we're like im and I fully used it as an opening to talk about disney World. Got Disneyney I can subscribe to Oh my god? Were Rod Serling? I think that maybe the hottest man. He was hot. That voice another dimension that wasn't good? It wasna Yeah, another dimension. This is good. It's it's a clinch. Yeah, you're right. I can't. I

can't shut up your impressions. When you did Pat Regan at the start of this episode, I really and truly had to cover. He's a shocking impression when when you guys should do a show as Cat and I can do Catherine Cohen. I know all her songs. Yeah, and we have the same pianist, and you have the same pianist I did. I've seen Pat said enough times now that I could do it from so you just slipped into Pat Reagan that this isn't because this isn't because

we're good. This is because they're both caricatures of human that they just have established identities. Um, but listen, we love, we love, and like, also, I had a lot of fun with Pat. I don't think so, honey, you were deeply missed. I loved the episodes. But you know what everyone said. Everyone was like, it's weird to see you be the straight man. I was like, yeah, because Pat Reagan is the unusual thing wherever. He always straight man

to Pat. Yes, yes, But here's the thing is, I would almost move that we you know, it's my dream, it's my goal, with my fucking dream to take everyone I love in this community and supplant them in Orlando. And then I think you would love I really would love that. It would be an actual dream come true to go with my celebrity, to go with my number one celebrity crests Oh god, truly insane and we have we have pals there now. Yeah, and that that worked though.

That Let listen to the pod and like, oh my god, it's been so long since I've talked about it, and now they're now they might gag. Oh that that that that you're talking about that, I'm talking about the theme parks in general, because I feel that there's a contingency of people that listen to those podcasts that want to hear the breaking tea and we have we have some. And oh and for people in Orlando, if who are we're we're um distraught that we are not stopping by

there for the tour. We're working, We're gonna work on and we would love to. And same to us for Chicago. Same goes for Denversity, because for Atlanta, we're going to try to make this happen. Maybe that could be like a good reason to go down there as we book a show. Yeah, I would go down if you need a guest for the Orlando come down. I think we do a video. I think we do like we do the show is there's a segment that's or the whole thing is is just built around Natalie Walker's first experience,

right and wait, do you want a gag? Really quick? Put our tour together. Book the dates. February We're going to San Francisco. Guess what night that is? Oscars the Academy Awards. So first we were like Oscar night. But first we were like, oh shoot. But then of course Matt had the brilliant idea of just making it like a part, like a viewing party. Were lean into it, we'renn lean into it and then like during commercial breaks have I don't think so, honey, is that are maybe

Oscar themes or movie themed or something that's actually perfect? Then? So that's how I would want to watch the Oscar. There you go and it's a party and we'll have you know, they'll be drinks, will be food, it'll be it'll be fun. We're going to lean in because we have to. We have to because we've already announced the show, like literally the day before Bowen Goes, the day before we announced that the that it was going on sale because we already announced the date. And I was like,

oh my god, it's the night of the Oscars. What should we do? And I was like, I feel like, we can't. We can't change it. Yeah, you have to just leave it in. It'll be great for culture. LISTA is watching Culture and I will say this. I will say this, and I think you can agree. If we're watching it and Lady Gaga doesn't win, it's going to feel bad. We're gonna want her to win. What do you mean in the room just us at the three

of us? No, no, No, I'm saying, like the night of the Oscars, the night of the Oscars, if she doesn't win, if we're there with all those gays that to see the show and Best Actress rolls around, ye and she doesn't win the award, I feel like it's going to be disappointed. I mean sure, but like that's not specific to us. What do you mean? No, I'm just saying, like there's a discussion about whether or not Lady Gaga actually deserves to win. I don't think people

are going to be that disappointed if she wins. She doesn't win. Honestly, remember that there are people in any room don't believe in her. So that's true. I said, if she does that during the Oscar speech, I'm gonna now yeah, She's like, that's honestly why I'm surprised that it continued as long as it did because she feels so in control of public perception of her and her brand that it was wild to watch her do the same like Studio Spiel over and over. Thank god, Jonah

Hill said something we needed I did. I did rewatch the Super cud again this week, and it made me laugh and laugh. I was like, this is so funny that she changes it. It's unbelievable. It feels like when you are going in for like one line on an episode of a TV show and you're just standing in front of your mirror and you're like, you can go in if you want now. You can go in if you want now. You can go if you want to,

you can go in if you want now. I've done so many auditions for like mean reception like vaguely mean receptionists is sort of my deal right now, just constantly going in for those and not getting them, but just being like, why am I here? I mean, I just I had a call back for a Duncan not dunkin Donuts Duncan, which I thought I slayed it, but the one it was gird because the first audition was just one line, and then I came back and the character had been blown out and I had tons of lines.

All of a sudden, I'm like, they wanted to see the improv and all that ship and I really thought I booked but didn't book That's no no that I would have been there Auston, Massachusetts, but didn't book despite playing um, but the but the line was, um, the password is Duncan, I know the password is. The password is hockey, and I was like password hockey, saying hockey. You don't sound natural saying that word. No, I agree, and then I'm sorry? What was the context? Are you?

Are you? Is this like? I was a Duncan Donuts employee who was telling someone the WiFi password of the of the hockey rink. Okay, let's let's let's do let's do some readings between me and Nat. Let's just do a lrondo readings. This is this is one of my favorite games. Come on, let's go. The password is hockey, great, Okay, the passwords hockey. The password is hockey. Wow. Let's do two arounds. Okay, okay, the password it's hockey. The password

is hockey. The pastle bird hocky. Okay, that wouldn't book me the gig that would that would not Okay, That's what I did? Was that bad in the audition? Yes, so listeners you can vote you like the best. None of us did. None of us did a Boston accent, and I think that was our failing. You should Yeah, the past where it is hockey. Oh and he's John F.

Kennedy JFK. The past word is hockey, Boston labster. I can only I only learned like what JFK's voice sounded like in air quotes from Clone High, Like like only two lines from Clone High where he's like, I era wanna party platter. It's incredible. I haven't seen that. Damn just hosted US and L. Did he do a Boston accent? He did a Boston thank god, thank god? The boxers? Oh yeah, Heidi did Angel every boxer's girlfriend. Good. Yes,

I love that so much. And someone someone wants responded to the audition videos and was like, is it Heidi Gardner doing this bit on SNL? And I was like, I've been doing this for two years. So it's possible that, like, more than one woman is annoyed by reductive female characters in film, Like it's not a thing that only one person has a monopoly on of just being like, hey, a lot of female characters and male driven films are not great. It's like, come on something. Also, to be honest,

Amy Adams did it first. I mean we should toss Heidie and Natalie out and gorgeous, gorgeous she's so great and Aim is so good Advice I can't wait to say. And if she were to win the Oscar for this, I'd be like bummed because I wanted to win the Best Actress Oscar. But she is in a viola, in a viola sort of way. It's like, you deserve, you deserve, deserve.

I want to make sure you get something. Yeah, it's unfair for me to say this without having seen it, but I feel like Vice makes more sense as the best ensemble. Yeah, certainly does like it. It feels like such a well Harry Colin Powell. Yeah, he's good, He's really good. What was the other prestige thing that he did where he wasn't girl gone? He was great? And I really like it's weird too because Tyler Perry is like absolutely huge, But every time he's in a movie,

is that part of the ensemble. It really works. It works because so much of his brand is like not looking like himself and right. And so I went to this Vice SAG screening and afterwards they did a talk back with Adam McKay, Amy Adams and a bunch of the members and I was in the same room. His name and um Adam McKay and his scarf. Um. But basically what happened was, um, they were talking about Colin Power. They were talking about Tyler Perry, and Tyler Perry had

to call Colin Powell and like get his blessing. And like he said, only Tyler Perry could just call Colin Power. But apparently, like they talked because this is not like a good it doesn't depict a good moment in Colin Powell's life. But like Colin Powell was fully cool about it. He was like, yeah, I mean that is what happened. Like, this is the truth of the situation. Play it as

truthfully as possible. I went out there against my better judgment and said there were weapons of mass destruction out of without a doubt, and I knew my instinct told me otherwise than I did exactly what they told me to do and play that. Wow, has he has Colin Power himself? I mean, I don't know if any of us know the answer to this. Has he come out and like said as much in public He's called and

this is in the movie. He's called it the worst day of his life, the day when he had to get up in front of everyone and be like without a doubt, like we're doing the right thing. They say in the movie, Like it's a really good scene where Tyler Perry is saying it and then you kind of see on his face he's uneasy about it, and the voiceover over it is like Colin Powell would would later call this the worst I mean wow, I mean like

that is like whatever. Like the fact that it happened in real life and that it led to this horrible war is like terrible, but like that is like meti meti, METI medi medi role. There is a lot of criticism of Advice, calling it the Michael Moore of movies, which is not not true. But the thing is, I thought Vice was excellent, and I think Adam McKay is f Yeah, he's fantastic, and not only just like his scripts are so clear, his his worlds are. It's so cohesive amongst

all the actors. Even when it gets like merely like you were saying, like it still feels right um, and he gives his actors really fun stuff to do. I can't wait for you guys to see this movie, to see this one scene between Amy Adams and Christian Bale, which is like there's so many moments in the script that just like are like, wow, you don't see movies

have fun with themselves like this. And there's this one scene where it's it's very very cool and it gives the actors a really cool opportunity and it's like a

it's like a it's like a knowing subversion. But it's so funny and it's so truthful and real, and I mean there's also some really real moments that have to do with Mary Cheney, who's played by Alison pill in the film, um about how you know her family really like ultimately really left her out to dry in a crazy way, and like it's it's a it's a good movie, and I it's coming out kind of late, but it's still getting the awards attention deservedly and I think that

it's I think it'll actually make a splash at the Oscars. Especially screenplay. I'm always so excited to see anything. Ammy Adam says she's in this category of actresses where they can do any genre, and I am obsessed with that, and it's what I love about Emily Blunt. Rose Byrne is very much in that place. Charlie's Charlie's kills me in everything and always like knows what movie she's in, like never seems floundering at all, even at this point.

Melissa McCarthy, Yes, she's like crossed over to whatever can any genre. If you think about the range that it would take to do something like Santra, Santra doing killing like comic any genre and is able to seamlessly use all of her talents to bring it all to life. Think about being one actress and doing Monster and Mad Next Fury Road and Young Adults and like all these things and all even like a fucking snoway on The Huntsman, which like is not a good movie, but she is

incredible because she knows exactly what it is. And I would, oh my god, I would rather watch that performance then like most male like prestige movie performance. That's what I was thinking. I was like, I don't feel this way about male actors at all. I don't care about whatever they're quote unquote versatility is because they don't I don't know.

It's like it's just so wooden in that way where they're just like they don't want either, they don't have the opportunities to do that kind of fun stuff or it's like and I feel like, also, male actors weirdly get away with so much more hair and makeup and prosthetic actors and we don't talk about it, whereas like when a woman like puts on a fake nose or something to play a historical figure, everyone's like, let's talk about the nose for a million years, Like Margot Robbie, Like, yes,

the hair and make up team like does a great job in that movie, but like she's not unrecognizable and Mars and all of these pieces are being done about it. That's sort of like undermine the acting work that women

do whenever they use hair and makeup in prosthetics. And then meanwhile, like I feel like Gary Oldman, like all of these actors that I'm like, they just gave you a fucking new face and that and you did and you yelled and that was it, and like it doesn't get covered as much as when women do, like one thing to alter their appearance for something. It makes me in st that is interesting. I will shout out one actor and I'm gonna start to talk about vice again,

one actor who I think actually is really fucking good. Well, Steve Carrel I think it's great. Welcome to Marwin. He's always just performing what is welcome to Marrow. I was just welcoming me to marrowin over, I know, but we're in a concert together, and she was just like she kept going through this door to the bar and love its welcome tomorrow. I just want to say the actual tie it up. It just what I was going to

shout out was Christian Bale. He's so fucking and he's so talented, and he's does a lot of different versatile things. So I will give one actor a shout out, and it's Christian Belle and Richard Lucas Hedges. I love that sweet boy. Stop it, you're cruel. He's your type? Did you say that because you have a crush on And I was like, yeah, He's like he's like the Matt Rogers type. What do you mean by that? He's like, let's unpack a sweet little white boy, exactly right, And

that's fine. He thinks I don't contain multitudes sexually. I meanwhile, he does. He has no idea what I jack off to? Huh, no idea, no idea? Why do you jack off to? What am I jacking off too? Yeah? He's gonna lie, I don't. I've talked about this in the past. Um check off to all sorts of things exactly, No, I mean same, huh, same, Yes, what do you jack off? Variety? I love riding the magazine industry. I love porn t I love porn, and I have been really into daddy

porn lately. But also it feels insane to say what you jack off too, because the categories and porn are so disgusting and so like it's so like bizarre and like the way they categorize things. It's like, oh, this is so weird. Anyway, I used to jack off to the cruel intentions like sha, yeah, when Sarah Michel is lowering or someone right, that's beautiful and that, Yeah, that's formative cultural moment for me. It's time. It's time. It's time to move on to I don't think somebody have

a legend among us, a legend of the form. Now this is the first time, because this is the first time that I have not pre written anything. I want to know because I heard you guys be like, it's not a good I don't think so, honey. When you simply read Glenn close off my phone because I wanted to make sure that I as much as I always

wanted to. Yes, yes, I fully, but yeah, we're the first time, we're we're pushing the boundaries of what they I don't think so Honey is, and if you do, if people who read them, I've I understand people who read it off their phones in a way. Right. But then, but I think Joel was saying that a true I don't think so Honey is as as minimally written as possible. The driving force is just your hinges are off. The

hinges are off, and that's what makes it fun. Um. But we you know, but but but Matt and I, well we'll see how. No, I'm just a slave to the forum. I just want to always honor them that you have created you always, You've never you've never fallen short, You've never fallen short. I'm gonna this is my time. This is my validation that will get me out of that. And as you guys are talking about this, I'm like, do I want to do my my topic? I do want to do my Okay, so you want to go first? Yes,

is Matt Rodgers, I don't think so Hony. As time starts now, I don't think so honey, Sam Rockwell. And it's not that I don't like you, it's just that I don't think so honey, because honestly, like when you won the Oscar last year, I was like, because it felt like whatever, I really didn't want to see that movie, and then I was forced to and I was like, yeah, fine, you're good, but I don't think so honey. Like and I am sexually attracted to you, but I still don't

think so honey. I kind of always feel like you're kind of doing sort of the same thing, like it's always very Sam Rockwell. And it's not that that's bad. I just don't think so And I really don't think so honey. You invited getting awards recognition, and the thing is, it's not that you are doing anything wrong. It's the

conversation around you being so bloated. And it's this thing we're talking about, which I don't think so honey about, which is like allowing people to get praised for doing kind of easy things, and it's like you're getting kind of like recognition for doing this I'm sorry, but sketch comedy performance, and this is not I don't think so many sketch comedy. It's Sam rock It's Sam rock Well.

I don't think so many getting praised for doing the sketch comedy performances on the world stage of the Oscars. I don't think Sony Sam rock Well, I loved you most in Charlie's Angels, and that's one minute. He was

great in Charlie's Angels. Incredible finale. He was Charlie's Angels and so good and like it was the first time I kind of got a sense of Sam Rockwell, and I was like, oh, he's like sexy, and but isn't it funny that he starts out like in the movie being like dwee Bey and like who and then when when he does the heel turn, it's fun in that house and that's sexual. Both of my types are like dweeby nerd who worships me, and then like a full on villain and he's rocking that tank top, Sam secret

good body. Oh that's okay. And that just Charlie's Angels. The first one is such a good movie because the way that that turn is executed, it's all one shot and it's like it's like it's Marvin Gay's playing and like drews like in her like is like is like naked with the sheet over her, and you really don't see it. You don't see it coming in the way that it McGee, what a genius and the and then he moved on to d sc Yes, okay, so this has to be don't think, my god, you good. I'm good.

I'm good. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. My sister demanding and badgering me for screeners, and it's truly one of the most stressful things that's been happening to me the last couple of months. And she's like, what are you getting screens? When are you getting screeners? When are you getting screeners? Yeng? I love you. I don't. This is my first year getting them. I haven't gotten

them yet. I think SAD doesn't give you as many as writers Gill does, as w g A does, And all my w g A friends are getting all their screeners ahead of time, and I I don't think that you should feel entitled to what's to something that I don't even particularly even have the time to like take care of. I know she's listening. I love her so much. She's she's she's she's been supportive very recently, but also like, come on, just like fucking pirate that ship then, or

just go to the movies. You're in Atlanta have gorgeous giant megaplex malls where you just go to like recline in seats and watch these films. I you know, it's it's don't don't rely on me. I'm not your gate way to show biz. You are your own gate way to show biz. Everyone is a culture is too. No one needs anyone to be shepherded into culture. You are your own shepherd. And that's one minute. You know what, Yang you have the screeners, join the union union something script? Yeah,

you want the screen you want to get script. She wants to write a script actually with her friend Borhini, and they're they're both growing up. They were like the best smartest people, and they wrote a lot of they wrote a lot of like I mean, like granted they were in the tenth grade, but they wrote like, they wrote a lot of stuff together and they're two very funny, creatively keatan people. And then like you know, the thing

life happened. And then like but then Gang is having this really great sort of moment where she's like I think I want to like a creative research try. She's having a creative resurgence, and I fully supportive. I love that. But you know what, she's gonna get her own screeners. You know what. I don't think so many people like demanding things that require me to go put something in the mail exactly, like guys, because then I have to

go to the fucking mail. Yeah, exactly. I feel that I feel this way, I feel this way, I feel that way, I feel this way, I feel that way. I feel this way that way, and the way I feel right now is that we're going to feel a certain kind of what with Natalie Walker. Natalie Walker is going to do her I don't think so. This is Natalie Walker's I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now. I don't think so, honey. James Franco, Why are we allowing James Franco to be around and about he has?

Why are we giving him so many chances? Why is this the person that we've decided He gets to fucking proposition a seventeen year old at the stage door after his Broadway show. He gets to like Busy Phillips comes out and he's like he abused me on the set

of Franks and Geeks. And although we were at n y U when he was on the motherfucking Loose, he became spend Dolly figure of this girl in my year at Adler who was from Canada and like didn't know what she was getting into and he was horrible at her and did a bullshit play at Adler where he like yelled at her on stage. He had people do angels in America and he was on a godmike in the back and he would just repeat, like the actress would go are you a homeown? He would go, are

you a homeo? An idiot? And he's not talented, And I am so insense that he is allowed to just continue being James Franco around and about middling level of talent. I don't think so funny. Oh my god, at a middling level of talent. Thank you so much, and yes,

we need to talk about this, James. The James Franco present at YU between the eight years of like two thousand seven and two thousand eleven something like that, he was like it was like like he was there for a decade because he it was what a raised sporadically come to classes and then hit on young girls every lecture across every school. This wasn't even in c as I would it would just be like me like Conversations of the West or whatever bullshit social Studies class I

had to take for my core. But people would come in every single day and be like wow and out here's a picture like in Washington Square Park and it's like,

what is this celebrity worship going on here? It's not work, like doesn't oh, And that fucking moment where the person who took the photo of him in like sleeping in the lecture, nodding off like it just he was asleep in every class I heard, yeah, but like it grossed me out then and then he was like also fucking so many like young women that were like impressionable and

I just did not dig and he um. And now when he was doing a play at Adler, which he just like used their space and was like all cell tickets or whatever. Uh, my friend was in it. He recruited like six add their kids to be in it, including the girl that he was with at the time, And there was one rehearsal where a woman walked in like stumbled in and James was like, oh, I'm I'm sponsoring.

I'm like, this girl's a sponsor, and it was Lindsay Lohan and she like stumbled in and was with her friends and was like giggling and just talking through the whole rehearsal, and James apparently like yelled at her and told her to leave in front of everyone, and she cried and left. Um, this is true ego to think that you can just allow like, oh my gosh, oh my god. There's so much going on in that story. It's truly so much. I will never forget my friend Will.

My best friend Will got back and was like, as someone that grew up obsessed with Lindsay Lohan, I was so sad for so many reasons that. Honestly, the thing with James Franco is I've always just been like allured by him, and now as of late, I'm just kind of like, oh God, I really don't care. Are just so many reasons to not with James Franco that I'm absolutely baffled that we continue. There's a ton of other people in the world to admire like, and it's just

like the Busy Phillips thing is weird. The fact that he ever thought he could just push her to the ground. I get that people are young, they do whatever they do, whatever they do, stupid ship, But like he pushed someone to the ground and infected her enough to keep talking

about it. Just it just these men just like can keep taking these heads and like it doesn't really even the heads keep coming, Yeah, because it's a glorification of a time in Hollywood, especially where like male actors when they were really quote unquote in it could do whatever they wanted and they would just be heralded as a genius. Like Dustin Hoffman conspired with his director and Cramer versus cremertax a glass at Meryl Street. And it's not okay,

that's not that's truly not okay. And especially it was like very pervasive at NYU, even just like beyond James right go, it's just like you see how all of that is ingrained. Yeah yeah, yeah, wow. We should move on from men. We should move to move on from then. We are a post man, postman, postman, We are postman. Hey, wait a minute, and we're the postman. Wow? Thank you? Can you believe this up? I can't believe this app m what a true I came in I came in today.

You saw me today earlier. I was tired. Oh babe, I don't know if I like I was. I was just like tired. No, it wasn't, I was tired. I was like, I was like, I was like this, I was like, this is like such a weird place for me to be, like, I don't know, like where I'm at. And Natalie just recalibrated my emotional state. She's the perfect She's the perfect one, the perfection. Can I tell you what a dream come true this has been? And I

feel that you must come back. You must because because this is an yes, and look, we have great guests, but not everyone's a culture Not everyone's a culturesta. I think Natalie is one of the few. Just a compendium of references really but that but that mixed with the way that you were able to communicate that to a larger audience, mixed with um, mixed with this very this very textured background, I think is everything that a culture Rista is. It's and she's schooling me on and what

a culture eista should be. And that is why we love, That is why we love Natalie Walker. And I would actually give you the opportunity of ending us on the song and we will join in. Oh my god, Oh my god, this is so stressful. What do I know songs Chello, Shoo, Shollo, show ah, Bye Bye. Forever. This has been a Forever Dog production executive produced by Brett Boham,

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