"Yes..." (w/ Julio Torres)

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let's go through the credit okay if you insist. So first and foremost, you've seen his incredible work this season as a writer on Saturday Night Live, like truly, hit the culture hard in the face, hit the culture hard in the face, truly, and and you know what, the culture hasn't recovered. Culture has not, right. I hope they don't recover. I hope they don't. That is vicious savage. Um. And you can see him this summer in August at the Edinburgh for Interested Goal. He's doing a month long

writer residency there. Check him out if you happen to be in Edinburgh. One month long. One month long. It's so long, I mean, but I mean, come on, I mean the demand is there, honey. Absolutely, And of course look out for the upcoming comedy Central half Hour, which is going to be just fabulous savage culture, Savage garden, Savage that is Julio Taures. How are you? I'm great. I'm okay. That's good to hear that you're great. Yeah,

because I know you're going through something stressful, which is moving. Yes, okay, Yeah, I am apartment hunting. Yes, I yes, And you're meeting with a realtor after this, and I and I'm meeting with Yes, I am rushing after this. So uh to go see a place in Fort Green, which is not the neighborhood that I saw myself in originally, that's gonna say, Yeah, what what were you going to say? Well, I think that you should be around sharp um like at very industrial.

I think you should see the brand all the way through. Yes, to me, there's too much green and green for you personally, there's I don't think like brown stones are for me. I like I like glass. Yeah, I have like a lot of glass. I saw a place in Williamsburg today that was believed apartment number thirteen, and the the prize is great. The location was perfect, perfect, The kitchen was

too big, Oh my gosh. Aesthetically was it good? It was fine, it was It was a large bedroom and a large living area and a kitchen that is daunting in how big. There was so many cabinets. Wow, I wouldn't know what to do with that. It's it's too much. And I here's what I need. I need. I don't need a kitchen. I just need like a mini fridge, put like half of a nice coffee. But I'm not going to finish drinking. Yes, and you want to see what happens to it over time? Yes, yes, exactly, I don't.

I don't need all these Like there were so many cabinets. It was truly upsetting. It was like I wouldn't be I don't. Yeah, well you know what those Sometimes that ship is very it seems one way is another. Like we looked at our apartment and there were so many cabinets and I was like, this is too many cabinets. And guess what it ended up not being enough? No, No, because you uh and your boyfriend first of all, or two people, that's true. And second of all you you

enjoy making a meal maybe or like eating and he does. Okay, yeah, I don't. I if it could not have a kitchen, I would be so happy and take that extra space. If you could reject, if you could reject domesticity wholesale, yes, you would I saw another apartment that it was also that was also reasonably prized even better location you mentioned The last location was perfect, Yes, yes, but this is

even better, more than perfect, more than perfect. It had a backyard that was so big it was upsetting because what would I do with only a small corner? I don't. I don't want to sit in my bed at night and thinking about the acres that I have nothing to do with. Are you just reversed to scale? In general? Is there a room? No? No, I am not. If if it were like a giant loft, I would take

it there. Yeah, but one has to equal function. Yes, and also yes, and also a lot of these places I would end up paying for things I don't need, like a backyard, and I don't. I don't want it. I don't want to be you know when I when when I was shown that, I was like, well, what do we say? I am not a creature of uh? What? I want? I need air? I need Yes, I need to be space up, creative space. Yes, like for for me, for you, the plants can't take up the space that

your ideas and thoughts would take it up. Yeah. And also just like I what am I going to like barbecue. I know barbecue, although I would I would, I would say you could do a bang up job just retrofitting that backyard to your sensibility. I don't think, so I disagree, and I passed. It's already done, already done. Here's someone some like an ancient couple is the being there, and they're probably they're probably so happy. They're probably the ancient couple.

If if a baby can exist in the space, it's not for Julio exactly. You know what it should be dangerous for a baby. It should be it should be like, oh no, if the baby gets too close to that wall, it'll break, It'll break. Yes, yes, I just I think that you'll find it. I just don't know if you're going to find it in Brooklyn. Is that weird to say? Are you? Are you if you don't want to go into Manhattan? No? No, I don't think I want to go into Manhattan like I saw. Okay, I saw another

place today, h eighth floor, beautiful view Fork Green Uh. Small, Uh, it's a it's a studio. Uh. The kitchen was as big as a like a like a like an airplane kitchen. So it was perfect. Okay. So like like those tiny kids justin from to do what they needed exactly. It was perfect. It was perfect except the I mean taking a word, did you love Bowen? The building was frankly

classes class. It was classes. It was Their requirements almost suggested that not only okay, it's reasonable for them to want to know that I can't afford it, but it's almost as if they wanted me to prove that I've never been broke. It's insane as for that I've never and that is I do not think so, honey, I do not. Can I pitch something to you. I'm going to pitch the Financial District. And you know I would

love the Financial District. I would. I fantasize of living high up in the Financial District and just overlooking a maze of gray buildings and it's there's no one there at night. The abstagrams stories of Julio reaching his his gnarled hand out casting a spell upon the Financial I think that you living on top of all those men with they're like dumb faces and big butts. I think thinking about you raining over them. I think I want

you to live there because I want you to destroy them. Yes, I want you to destroy them, and I think that only you can do it. That's how I feel. What do you think I would do it? As long as the building isn't prissy? Because I have a I have a little lightning bolt earring, yes, dangling from my from my from my body. I can't be part of a co op. It's too much. It's too it's too much of a committee. I already. You know, I belonged to two unions and I work for TELT. I don't. I

don't need more commitment. We've already. I don't been dragged down by other people. You need, yes, I don't. I don't need. Wow, I agree with you. You don't need it. I need. But being being in a co op building, that doesn't mean you have to necessarily be involved unless you're on the board and I am. I know you have to know. But that but that means that I don't know. But that means that I I have proved to them that I am worthy of their presence. I

don't think so, honey. I don't think so honey that who needs Julio has transcended just having to seek out that sort of approval. No, but I don't think anyone should go through that sort of approval. I don't Yeah, it's like the whole Like I I remember when I learned that I had to apply for college. I was out right, what is what is? What is with all of this? And it's I'm just going to say it. It's a very American thing of just having to prove your your status over and over. And I was just

talking about this with my father. I was like, you know, what's stupid, like the concept of college, Like you don't actually have to be good at the ship that they teach you in high school in the world, So why is it so fucking high stakes? It's so stupid. S A T is a joke. Well that's a corporation. That's

just the monopoly at college. But they make you feel like, well, you know, there's there's everything you've done and then there's the S A T S and they hold equal weight, which I'm I think is changing, but I don't know. I also, I was a college tour guide. What college? What? What college? In the New School. I wanted them to know them, to let me tell you. I know my jo So you were a tour guide at the New School.

I was a tour at the New School. Uh, and the only I was just reminded because I the s A T requirement was something that I had to know. But one of the many facts that I never learned. I just sort of bluffed my way through the through the tour. I think it's becoming less important. Well, I think I feel like I can't believe you were you were a college tour guy. I was very bad at it. I was very impersonable. I uh, you know how you're supposed to walk backwards and talk. Yeah, I refused to

do that. I never did that. I would just pick them up from wherever. Wherever I picked up like the welcome center or whatever the name of it was. No, the welcome center right now for a facor was the welcome center, and then I would just take them to the first building and we would just walk in silence.

We were just walking out of silence. But when I saw this one building that I had like bookmarked in my head, I would turn to them and say, we're almost there, and where was the ultimate places you were going? Where was the destination? The destination was a building on street and like closest sixth Avenue, So this is a it's a well, you guys went to win one. It's like almost the same deal where there's no I think I exactly I know what place you're talking about too.

It was like a big new school building, but there wasn't much intermingling between the n y U kids, and I don't think because I feel like if it were a person, it would be this very sort of like career hungry eyes on the prize, uh, sort of like Miranda, Yes, yeah, that's what it is. The New School just sort of like rolls out of bed at noon and it's just like hey, no, okay, no, Aiden, Aiden's maybe like brown brown. Well, then when it's a new school a Blair from Gossip Girl,

the New School is unrepresented in media. Frankly, you're right, we need to show that really gets a gets a new school, the new School of hype. Yeah no, uh yeah. Listen, we're talking about your your past, and I feel like this is now, this is the moment we pose the question to you, Julio Torres, Now what was I truly don't know what it's coming because even though I love the beginning of your podcast to get to what I think, I think, Wholi just stops when he stops. Ab Julio

wants to I think. I think during this when the same Taggart episode came out, Julio messaged me and said, wow is lost Culture is just going to be the first podcast I listened to all the way through and it was. It was, but it was very close. Yes, yeah, that's same Taggart episode got real shitty in the last fifteen minutes. Did I have to say? I can say it is. You know, it comes as a great honor for Julio. Wait, hold on, you know what. I am going to come for Taggart on because he came for

me and us. He came for us in our I don't think so, honey, and he came for Kelly Clarkson and I don't think so live show. Which okay, let's please, you know what. Let's we'll get into it at first. Let's let's start at the beginning before we can get to that cultural high point in Julio's life, which is hating Kelly Clarkson. Um, this is the question. I don't Clarkson, I don't I have the reference that you have. Okay,

that's fair, that's fair. This is the question we ask all of our guests, Julio, which is what was the culture that made you say, you know, growing up as a young Julio, culture is for me, I want to step in a cultural direction. What was the culture that made you think I could use culture? Does that make sense? It does not? Okay, answer whatever it means to you. Whatever it means to you, And can you give me examples of previous and you know, you know, well you're

talking about films that influenced you. Television, I see, have musical artists also perhaps maybe your upbringing, things like in the culture that's that influenced you. For those of you who are not in the room and are listening to the podcast, when I've been grabbing at the air trying to in the culture just sort of grabbed the air in abstract everything For me, Julio, everything is tangible, yes, yes, yes,

that's what you are, A tactile, very like kinesthetic tangible. Yes, um um, I think that No, please, please please, I was going to bring up Mary Alice Young, but that is kind of I want him to bring it. Okay, Well all right, all right, sorry, Well that was I was already fully full form a cultural person. Yes, I think that I grew up watching very old American TV shows that I thought were current, Yes, that I love

the dream of Genie. Oh my god, I thought I was under the impression that I dream of Genie was being shot, uh like weekly California something. And then I and then I came to learn that years have passed and that I was looking at a Yes, I love the agreement Genie I loved. So Genie had this like pink outfit in a pink bottle, but Genie's evil twin

had this. She was a brunette and she had this of course sexy green outfit and the inside of her bottle, and we're coming back to the first topic of conversation. The inside of her bottle was had just had a gray marble table with a fruit plate in the middle, well color the walls which it was in green accents, but it was not as like oppressively filled with fabric like her sisters. So that is the apartment I'm looking for it. Did you have you found yourself drawn to

Genie's twine? Yes, that makes a lot of end to me that out of I haven't thought about I dream of Genie, and like I think about a dream of Genie maybe once a day. That makes a lot of sense to me. Yeah, like the magical aspect, the like Yeah, I loved just wondering what Genie did inside her bottle when she was waiting around for the astronaut to come back home. Ye major Anthony Nelson, Oh my goodness, yeah, I guess did you watch that one? I barely watched.

I dream of Genie. I love always aware of it. Were you a Brady Bunch fan? Okay? Nothing that was um. I didn't really care for anything where the concept of the show was family. I was. I was reading that from you, yea. I that always rubbed me the wrong way. The hokey nous and the the lesson learned at the end of it. I never had. I could never stomach like Full House, any of those or any of those shows.

Wow about Threes Company, I never saw. Okay, I think that you should go back and revisit Threes Company because of the show is the very convoluted president premise. It's basically, this guy, Jack Tripper, pretends that he's gay so that he can move in with these two hot women, one blonde, one brunette. And this is very important cause I had no idea that wasn't the plot. I thought yea in the seventies. I thought the plot was just together, people

lived together. So wait, so then he's not throughout the of course not. He's on television right, so throughout the he's a lad. He has a lead role. But the so there. So was he hiding his heterosexuality throughout the show? It was so stupid, But it was like just stupid enough that it was like believed by a broad audience. It was he wanted to live with these women, to them, I guess, just to look at them, or maybe eventually

revealed that he was actually straight. I don't know how the show turned out, but he was parading as a gay man. What what What were the I cringe to think of. What were the techniques that he used to He didn't act super gay. I think he just like wore loud paned once in a while, got it. See. I'm not familiar with Three Company either. I think we all should go back and revisit it. I don't think so. I think I don't think it's I don't think it deserves our that's fine too, I don't think it deserves

our tribute. You know, rule number seventy nine of culture, No one has to do anything. What number is that no one has to do anything? Well? What about Okay, I think you know what the spiritual successor if I dream of Genie is Bewitched. What do we think of not the success of the contemporary contemporary? They were on at the same time, I believe, But I got my I had my timetable so warped as you know. But I I think that it was on at the same time.

I think that it was just I think it was sort of like a deep impact Armageddon type deal where you can have like two of like kind of the same. I here's here's what's ah. I should have liked Bewitched more because she was she was a witch with agency as opposed to a Genie that's submissive. She was also dumb, captive, dumb. Yeah, Barbara Eden played her like sweet and naive and where as the lead and Bewitched she was Elizabeth something. I think. So she was very uh, she's very proactive, and she

was very much the head of the of the household. Yeah. Did you see the remake with Kiman. I did see the remake with Nicole Kidman. I think I think what the majority thought, which is that Christian Jennowit steals the film was she she wasn't She played the neighbor I remember as in a post wicked world and as a little little gay boy me being so excited that Christian General was But the premise of the movie was the day we're filming the TV show. Making the TV show

very stupid doesn't need to be that dumb. It was just very There were a lot of levels. There's still a lot. It was working a lot of levels. And I, you know, nic Nicole Kidman is one of my favorite actresses, and I think that's why I that's why I watched it. But ah, I like roughly of of be watched. What is it about Nicole for you? Um that she can play weak in a very commanding and powerful way. That's it, very very astute there. Yeah, that is what it is.

That she My favorite movie of hers and maybe one of my favorite movies ever, it was Birth, Birth. In Birth, she plays this very very wealthy New Yorker who is getting remarried. She's a widower. She's a widow. She's getting remarried, remarried, and during her engagement party, this little boy knocks on their door. She opens the door and She's like, Hi,

who are you? And the boy says that he is the reincarnated spirit of her deceased husband, and then they have a relationship, and then she sort of cheats on her fiance with this little boy. And it is. Her trembling is so powerful. If there's a scene which is literally a five minute close up on her face as she watches opera, Yes, and it's it will leave you shook. It is. It's true. And even in her loud performances, like even in her big performances like Mulan Rush, I've

never seen Mulan Ruth. You will you will love it? What I yes, I think that she cops bloody, You'll love it. She she dies fantastically of tubercularn And I think that you're going to be irritated by the first thirty minutes of it, But you gotta stick with it, Julio, because you will appreciate what's happened in that portion of the film later on. We're going to out. Julio right now is one of those people who just just doesn't get the diegetic concept of musicals. He doesn't understand why

they have to sing. It takes me. Yes, you know who doesn't get it buzzlerman. Okay, oh oh interesting, and that's why Julio will connect to it. Yeah, it's a connect. It's fully batched and saying okay, but but talk us through your I'm not going to say disdain, but you're you're just um your skepticism of musicals as a concept. I think that the suspension of disbelief where a character is having a conversation and then they break into songs

is just I can't make that leap. Okay, but what about like in the movie adaptation of Chicago, for instance, where you find out that all these numbers are taking place in the protagonist's mind. What about that? Now that makes sense because the protagonist presumably has a very musical but she wants to be famous and so she and thematically it fits. Yes, but no, you don't like just breaking into songs. For example, of this sentence, what's your reaction to this sentence? I can no longer speak, so

I must sing? Oh wait, what is that from? That's just the rule of musicals when you can when the emotion gets so big that you can no longer speak, you must singly. Because that's how I literally live my life. I don't. I don't express my emotions musically, and maybe that's where I can't h connect. But you are a lover of music, sure, but you just don't express myself music.

It's like yeah, no, I don't. Yeah, you have to connect with the form on on a personal level and in a way that's like I want, I'm interested in in executing the form. I mean does that sound Yeah? It's like okay. So it's like, uh, say a musical where there's stockbroker is getting coffee and his life is going wrong and he puts his coffee down and then he starts singing. Yes, I don't think that that man has a musical spirit, so why is he doing that?

I understand. So I had to succeeding business without really trying. Is not for Julio, but the producers might be because b Stock in the producers wants to be a producer. Yes, okay, great, this is fascinating. You know, I think I think it's not that you don't like musicals. Maybe you don't. I don't want to tell you what you like, but I'm just saying there could be ones that would hit with you. You know what I think you would like? Nine oh, nine is. I think I think you would like it

because because the diadetic of it like does work. It's like this tortured Italian film director Widow Contini, and he is having a lot of trouble, he's having like a block artistically, and he sees the nine women in his life that have influenced him, and he muses on appear to him in song and performed for him. And I think that you would like that. However, the movie is like Cruz Fergie, isn't it and steals the home. She sings a song called the Italian and it's just like

she plays this hooker from his childhood who sexually awoken him. Um. And it's incredible that the nine women that formed him are tall and thin and Gordon. One of them is okay, okay, and one of the one of them is Sophia Loran Old. Yeah, Sophia's it was just Lallona just Guard the Moon. Yes, yes, full culture, full culture, full culture, but it's it's it's fun at first. You would love Kate Hudson and it She's so fucking dumb and it so bad. She's so

bad at it. Um Okay. Favorite Nicole a whisper where does this I was gonna ask where does this fall time? What is this fall timeline wise? When it's four? Wow, so this is post Oscar. I was gonna when you ask that question, I was going to say that it's said in winter, but it was it's very cold, it's set in winter. It's like like a bitter January. I think,

which is which is exactly where you want it? Which is exactly where you want But but I would say, go ahead, what does this resolve in the third act or whatever? I just right, it's a child, It's just a child. Well, these are the questions that you have to answer it for yourself. Right, I think it is kind of a been ended. But after she won her Oscar, she did get very experimental. And what I noticed about

Nicole Kimmon's filmography, which I really appreciate. She works with every director like she has worked with everybody, and you know what I heard is really good. But just coming out is that movie The Big Guy, which is Sophia Copa, who is a huge influence where she's Yeah, I love Sofia love I even love the the films that objectively I I am like this. Maybe it's not her like somewhere. Yeah, like somewhere, but I I still I adore them. That aligns very well with Julio Sofia. I love a long,

atmospheric pan. Yes, uh and just sort of just like the climax is is someone that moves their index finger. Yeah. I also love a good anachronism, like when Marie Antoinette's waking Yeah converse her converse. Yes, Yes, I thought that was really good. Yes, that movie is very funny. I really like that movie. To see. My favorite trailer of all time, great trailer. I love the font, you love the we love, we love the fun I think I

I imagine that. I think that if I were to run for president, my campaign one of my campaign videos would just be reenacting the Marie Antoinette trailer. Yeah in verse, I yes, just me looking down as I've led everyone down. Yeah, oh my god, that's seen when she comes to and they all stop. Oh man. You know. I love Kirsten Dunst. I've said it on this many times. I think she's actress.

I think she's amazing, and she she's not as skilled as Nicole in that in that same regard of playing week so powerfully, but she does have that like mysterious naive beauty too. There's a naive beauty too. I think she can do anything. She can do anything, I really, I really do. I think she can play dumb broad comedy. I think she can do super small melancholia like this kind of like kind of really small, like almost emotionless

but still so full. I just remembered something that Do I have this right that your main Matt Rogers, your main comedic influence is Eva Longoria? Yes? And I don't know. I can't remember if I decided that this was the case or if you told me. But also, Tara Read a big influence. Um terror read Maybe maybe Tera read is like an influence on the way I live my life in terms of how I execute comedic material. Is a huge influence on me. What about Eva Longoria? Because

I see it, I see it. But what about Eva? Can you articulate why you connect to her? It's the way she takes space, and it's the way that she because she has an It's the way that she gets a script and says, here's the funny. I feel it in this. I see it in the same way she does every single joke in Desperate Housewives. M the way she reads all her lines is onto a clutch and just sort of like smacking someone with the kind Yes,

it's the here's the pattern of Eva Longoria. Hey, hey, this, this, this, this case, this right, well, this this this His eyes are so wide open right now, And that's something I know I have for myself sometimes in my performancess, my eyes are too open. Oh yeah, to Eva, I think Eva Longoria huge and also Amy polar huge, both big old, big old, big old choices and like sharp, like very good with the one liner. Amy Poehler is uh more evident, of course, because you both have the same comedic Yeah.

But Longoria is such a true she was in general hospital and and but I think Julia was going to say she came out of hospital, might be wrong. She was on one of them. She came up in the Corpus Christie, Texas Christie. She actually was known as the Dell close of Corpus Christie. Yeah, we have to take a quick break, but when we get back, we're going to get into Desperate Housewives, because I think it's what

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the same person, it's the same it is. It's the same person who um just live as an young urbanite who has difficulty making choices, so they need to options who is difficulty making huge important life choices about They are comforted. They are, they're liberal, but they are comforted by a brand. There comforted by a brand. They don't want to take a risk because you don't want to take a risk. Yes, but they think it is a

risk that they're shopping Kasper Mattress and Parker. Are you gonna have to edit this out because no, No, I think they know who they are. Okay, companies know who they are. I just I just got my eye exam at Morby Parker this past two Wow. And there we are compensating, and there we go, and there we go that what makes us professional. There we go, Um, okay, Desperate House, Yes, come on talk. I mean, when did we find out that this was the one the tide

that that bound us together. I think we just like we're quoting Mary Alice, we were just think breathlessly said yes, Yes, I think it happened like really early on because I know I met you at Ethnic Realness. Yes, I feel like it was one of those gay as group conversations like three people end up rising to the top of It. Is so funny to me that that show is so present in my mind, given that I think I have an accurate assessment of its quality. But I think the

first season is actually truly good. The pilot was so so funny and so fun Yes, um uh, And I don't I think I've ever crossed the street to my apartment without thinking yes and imagining a car just hitting hitting me, and someone neatly from above narrating it, and there being a crane overhead shot. The cranes did so much of the work for that show. Yes. Now I have to ask you, um, was there a character that

you identified with most? Because I have one. No, I I can't say I connected to I could I connected esthetically to Terry Hatcher, No, what a mess, Marcia Cross. Uh, it's it's that very it's that very gay boy fetish I singing like trapped domesticity. That was just so uh like it was it was just so easy. Yeah. I think they did a really good job of covering every base. Like you know, it's like with one of them, I gave up my youth, the when I gave up my control,

I give up my sanity. They covered all their basis of a womanhood, all the bases. I just think like it really read to me like a fucking whatever. I was like fifteen year old. I was like, yeah, this is accessible for me, and I had no right. It was like access. It was like porn. It was like like, oh, this part of my brain really gives into this. There's a very like primal I understood it, and there's something

to that. But also I did think a lot of it was actually great, Like I mean, it succeeded on so many levels. I remember the pilot, the scene that made convince me that I that this was a show that I would enjoy, uh Felicity Hoffman's heels against the bottom of the pool. Yeah, and then the train of her her black her black blouse or whatever they were. They were at a wake, it was was it a wake? And then she had to drag her twins out of the pool. Yes, and wow, Felicity had to give up

her career, her career. She at parents are given up. Lynette had given up her career. Yes, Um, I I thought was so sexy was Lynette's husband Tom? Oh you okay? So that you that you? Oh? Well, he looks yeah, he was so hot. No, I was gonna say, he looks like I know you're into. He's very American, he's very all American, very like he'll he'll barbecue, he'll like put away the wrenches. He but I do. I mean

he just needs the mac and cheese. Terrible diet, terrible. Yeah, Carlos here on me just as like as a as a. I don't think I was attracted to any of the men in that show. Really, I was attracted for sure. And then you know that show I had the opposite problem that the rest of television, which is it had no idea how to write for men. And it was so funny to see the painful, painful, painful dialogue between

two men on that show. It was just brutal. Like there was this scene where I can't I can't remember what what part of the show it was, but I think Mike was reading a book, uh, and he was imprisoned for some reason. And then there's other there's other like Con walks up to him and goes, what are you reading? And then he just grabs his book and throws it away and goes, I guess I'll just wait for the movie. It was like who is writing? Yeah, I'm sure a lot of the writing if you go

back and watch it wasn't actually good. Although I do think a great TV moment that is oft overlooked is the dinner party scene where everyone's laughing and then uh, and then Marcia Cross's character says Rex cries when he ejaculates, Like that's great, And I think that is like, but you know what, because Desperate House Eyes brought back narrative TV because we were in this reality like, oh, because it was a huge hit and so people were like, oh,

maybe scripted things are that. That was when it was turning around. Yeah, I felt like that was like the golden age of YE was born. It had paved the way back for us. I truly did honestly, it was because Desperate Housewives started hitting at the same time Lost started hitting. It was Lost Desperate house but also Desperate Housewives spawned uh, the Real Housewives Orange County. Yes, and oh no no, because that was a hyperd I'm sorry.

The Real house Was of Orange County was a hybrid between Desperate house and they wanted to try to combine those brands. Were you know, C person, did you watch the O C? I did? I love the O C. I Uh. I really really enjoyed them, and I will always, I think, in perversity, enjoyed teen dramas. I have seen every episode of Riverdale. That's a blunt spot for us. Come on, we gotta watch we gotta watch it. Do we have to watch it? I think you should. It's uh. It is mostly a TV show, but a huge part

of it is a cover girl commercial. UM, a hot ginger guy on. There's a hot guy who's they his hair red um and their entire scenes. There's a scene where the female protagonist is looking at herself in the mirror and she's putting on lipstick because she was putting on her cover girl lipstick, and then her mother walks in and goes, what is that scarlet rose, and and

and the said, I mean, like, yes it is. And then she like wipes the lipstick off of her enhanced her another lips thing and goes, I think you're more of a like pale pink god and like beautiful long shots of the product. It's a cover girl commercial and it's relationship building and it's a promotion. The only clip I've seen of Riverdale I saw the first like ten minutes of the pilot, which which was gorgeous, which was

like them being on the boat like searching for whatever. Well, yeah, it was the they're really going for this hyper stylized yea, every frame is foggy, yes, actually yeah, because they are like very moody shots of like diners, a lot of neon. There you go. I love it. But then the other clip I saw was I think it was Reggie or someone that the clip of that guy saying look I'm

a WEIRDO. Okay, I'm weird, that's my thing or whatever it was in paraphrasing, yes, yes, this is this is a sort of like Donnie Dark esque narrator who you can tell that they take that character deeply seriously. And I and I would be willing to guess that They're like, we'll get you an Emmy nod for Wait, we're talking

about Yeah. I think Julio. Julie was telling me over text one day because I like, I saw that clip and I was and I knew who he was watching, Riverdal and I was like, I just saw this clip. It's ridiculous, and he was like, oh yeah, but you know that God that actor is like texting his manager like, hey, like this is the tape. Just just just following up. I think this is my free consideration submitsition like deth least that yes, it's it's a it's a deathly serious performance.

Desperate Housewives and Lost were also the two shows that got me into and I hate that this was a big part of my personality when I was in high school. But I would go on like online and go to the forums like the like the like gold Derby was the website I went to and like really talk about who was going to win Emmy's like I really cared about and I was into the race. I knew what everyone's tapes were. Yeah, I knew. I knew what everyone's

tapes were. I still know that Terry Hatcher submitted the episode Impossible season one and Felicity Hoffman one submitting the pilot. What let me tell you, nobody thought that Felicity Hoffman would in the Emmy. They thought it was all Terry Hatcher. They your forum or I think that the industry on the Forum, we're all like, it's gotta be Terry Hatcher. It's gotta be Terry Hatcher. But Emmys are gonna want their own. I was a husband speech, and that's what

everyone was saying. The narrative was that Terry Hatcher, despite I think everyone knowing the most talented person on the show. What I think the juiciest role was Marsha Cross. Well, Felicity has amazing. I just thought she got shitty material. Did in Felicity when the Golden Globe for Transamerica? Yes, she was a winner for Desperate Housewives, and she was the only one got it, gotta got it. And then

I think, um, Mrs McCluskey wont like a guest Emmy. Um. But for me, I thought, for me, what I remember about Desperate Housewives is Eva Longoria and Nicola Sheridan. Yeah, they're there like the tramps. I always say, like I always tell Um Bowen and Sam that their next Live on broad Gay should be the pilot at Desperate Housewives, And I'm Eadie, oh yeah, yes, is that on the pilot. It is in the pilot. IM just washing my car and then just like her, like really holing it up

on the street. You know what line reading I still remember to this day from Eadie from Nicolete Sheridan is when she I think it's the second or third episode is Terry Hodg was talking to Mike Telfino, Susan's talking to Mike and then Dye shows up and she hands Mike a sausage putinesca y. Yeah, yeah, yeah she was. She was sizing up tery agra one time, and she

just goes you clever, little shrewd. Truly entertainment created by a gay man for young gay men, Yes, using uh woman as props, and it's but they were so happy about it was it's it's the sort of show Bis version of just playing with barbies. It's the show Bids version of it, as Cold School would say, like trying on mommy's dresses, and by a gay man who insisted in that every episode be that be the title of a Sondheim song you Gotta come on. Queer art, queer art,

one of them. We are the ladies who lunge every day, little every day, a little time. But I have to say, the funniest part about Desperate House Lives is you could tell they made the show and they were like, this is fun. We know we don't you know, it's great. And they were all like genuinely happy to just have those parts and be able to be leads on the tellos,

and they truly became the superstars of television. And then you can see it all getting to their heads and they were like, no, I want the juicy, dramatic storyline with me. It's my That was funny. Came very early on though, that's for the rest of their Yeah, there,

it's it's so it's so incredible. Can you imagine bowing for a second that Okay, so you are with a group of your peers and you, presumably, as legend has it, say that you want to be at the center of the photo shoot, right, and you you have this very if this is what happened, you have this very selfish moment.

Can you imagine that that the ripple effect of that request just echoing and echoing through decades, the point where like three up and coming Brooklyn comedians in the year TV are still calling her out on the audacity on this unforgivable I'm thankful. I've never felt more open. For God, It's insane because I I have sent like emails. I have sent my emails that, oh my goodness, if I if you were the terry in those emails, if they were, if the if the young gays were to find out,

they'd still be talking about I don't think. I don't think, but I have had like small moments where I've been like, this is how it has to happen. I love it. You have to be like that. I was following one of Julio's email chains with this Edinburgh, this Edinburgh residence. What you read the what was? I think I read a few of the things, but you were just like, um, you were I forget what it was, but you were just very reasonably resolute with what you wanted. You were like, um,

I forget it specifically what was? But I remember reading that chain. I was like, yeah, no, Julio's right. I was put up in a hotel room for it was the hotel. It was about the hotel. It's always about the hotel. It was always about the hotel I was. I was put in a hotel room recently at this very nice hotel. But the the view was just overlooked the courtyard, which is restive and unacceptable. Oh my, yes, and it's well, it's gonna be a month. But even even so, I mean like, this is a lesson in

advocating for your salesman's and picking your your battles. I think because I am a very reasonable vegan. I am a vegan. I have that di restriction, but I'll go to any restaurants. Work. You have made it work multiplications when moving now together. Yes, it's like Nicki Minaj says, if I show up to a photo shoot and there's some sliced pickles on a board, no, you know what, I am gonna leave. So if I accepted the pickle juice,

I would be drinking pickle juice right now. They don't ask jay Z you know what when jay Z does something like that, based he's when when Wayne does something that I think that he's stuff. Um. But this Wholio is saying that this is a lesson in picking your battles because you're reasonably again, you're a reasonable eater. But when it comes to a hotel room view, it must meet a standard and they will walk over you as a gay man. That I don't think that, I think

think a couple. Did I ever work in a hotel? Oh no, I'm not talking about the hotel work. I'm talking about people in general. Like they think, oh, if he has a request, it's just fun. It's just like he's just being like, you know, you're looked at it with a certain sense of more like you're like you're petty because you're petty, and that's funny. Yeah, when when you're dealing with people, it's like, I think, I think that you are taking least seriously as a wife, and

then gay man and then straight man. I don't know if this is connected to that thesis or not, but I think that I spend a lot of my day just uh convincing people, perhaps deceptively, o perhaps truthfully that I am not as difficult as you might think I am. I agree, though, I think it's I think it's truth. I think that's truthful. Oh yeah, it is. You know how many people, Well Henry, when I first started dating him, said to me about Bowen, and this is from coming

from another game man. He's like, I didn't expect Boonen to be so nice because online presence is so severe. A boy who eats the mcflury every day he's left, do not put that on the atmosphere. He'll be like, no, I'm healthy. Henry loves Halo tops. Now what's a Halo talk. It's this creation that they've found out that it's like a substitute ice cream. Just don't eat any type of ice cream. There you go, that's hard for people who love ice cream. I'm a garbage, I'm trash. I will

eat anything if it's bad for me. That's what I need. I just want to close the loop on this vanity fair. Shoot the conversation, because we're not done with her. We're not done with her in life. You're either in moment to moment you're either a Terry Hatcher demanding to be in the center, or your Marshal Cross calling that ship out and being like, no, there should be no center. I'm sorry, I'm tapping on the table. There should be

no center. Is that? Is that? Is that how the legend goes that it was Martians who I don't know who it was that put their foot down and said this is stupid. But all I know it should have been all in a rotating platform and it should have

been a gift. It was a fold out cover. I remember what they should have because you're you know what they should have done was they should have done that novelty cover thing where you didn't know who like that's you collect every kind like sometimes you get well with Terry in the middle. Sometimes you get one with seven different that's what they want, different prints, Oh man, make

them all seem like miserable nightmares. I mean, come on, I you know what we can We can choose to be the Terrys in our lives or the Marcia's you and and if these are the two choices that I don't think you ever you were ever not Marcia. I don't think you ever not calling people out on there me specifically, wow, okay, that you point at things and go that's classes a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, And I don't but I could do a better job of balancing that out with the Terry Hatter side of demanding,

of demanding something yeah, but not necessarily deserved. What was her claim to wanting the center I guess it's like the only two of them that are still working are Eva and um Felicity. Felicity has has a marquee role on the anthology American Crime, and I think that she'll work forever she does. She has like the lead part on her and Regina King. You know when I, uh in high school, when I sort of just sort of woke up and decided that I wanted to be a

comedy writer. I happened. I kind of, No, that's not what happened. I had um Uh, I will get into that, but I wrote a pilot uh when I was maybe like eighteen, and I cast it. I cast it it and going I think solely by her, like Lewis and Clark credit. I cast Harry Catcher as the lead and it was like a Terry Hatcher maybe Molly Shannon role, but Terry Hatcher Molly maybe the biggest career prior she I as a child, I thought she was on Lowis and Clark. I was like, that is the most beautiful woman.

She score job. Yeah, and I also casted Jane Karkowski based solely on Ally McBeal icon. Yeah, that's you know what, that's that's the seed that that's where all this, that's the the seed crystal. Okay, should we move on. Jane Krikhowski always keeps coming back in something fierce, like she's always she's so funny, she's so good. And also she actually to bring it back. Was in the Tony musical, The Tony Musical, the Broadway Musical nine, and she wanted

Tony for that performance. She played the role that Penelope Cruz plays in the movie I didn't and she wanted Tony her a call from the Vatican was like, from the call from the Vatican, that's the best. That character's big number. That another number, it's a ballot called simple later in the show. But hers was like, very this

is this is sort of based an eight and a half. Yes, almost directly so, uh, but she um had a very famous performance of that number because she came down upside down from the top of the ceiling and lowered and and then did the whole number and then like the number ended with her going back up. Descending and ascending is so funny. It's never not funny. Super Bowl Whippy goldending and ascending is very difficult to achieve that it is.

It is very very funny. I love it. Beyonce is descended twice from the from the v M as she came down baby boy and then what was this? What was the second one? Bring here's one of the most uh I And I don't think that this is talked about enough. But the most embarrassing part about being a performer, I think isn't performing or like being seen, or like even like bombing, is leaving the stage because there is

no there is no good way of doing it. I've discovered how I Alyssa Edwards my way off the stage. Now I point and I just embarrassing. I wish it could be a blackout and I could uh not be there at all. Don't think about it anymore. Just leave confidently, and then norm will think about it. I think if there's anyone, I don't think anyone thinking about it, but I'm thinking about it. You you can invent the news the new way in which people like fit. I think

this is so true. It's it is embarrassing. See. I think it's triumphant. Okay, all right, I think I think it's a frame of mind. I think it's a state of mind. I think coming out is worse no entering. There's more at stake, and and entering is heaven, entering is hello er. I don't know. I think I think a lot is decided in the first minute, so I think that your entrance is a part of that. And I've thought more about my entrances than I have my exits. I almost never think about my exit because I have

never successfully exited a performance. I think my dream exit is Margaret Hamilton's just melting, no cloud of fucking red smoke. Oh, the first exit, the explosion, and she gets like taken down in an elevator. That's that's pretty good. That's a pretty high tech request. See, I think you'll get rightfully read by the tech crew. But I will I will make a terry hat to ask demanding exiting a stage. I just realized it's almost as bad as being seen

coming out of a bathroom. Wow. And with that we should move on to I don't think so honey, um, because our guest has somewhere to go. I don't think so honey student, I'm going to hate. I don't think so honey. Is the centerpiece of our show? Is the moment is at the end? Yes, the culmination really the moment that you gag for we're going to take one minute a rail against something in culture. But when do

you have something I don't do? You know? Um? And that's very on brand for us, although I could sort of go off on something. Actually you know what, I will okay, all right, and her of our guests and never guess, Okay, this is gonna be um great, this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, Honey. Time starts now, I don't think so, honey. If you come for Kelly Clarkson, ever, don't you ever do this? Do you don't understand how much this girl has struggled? No, because you know what.

She doesn't let you know. She just comes out there, plants her god damn feet, sings her fucking heart out, and she leaves the stage. Bitch. She has been through struggle, and I know that because I am too big of a fan. But the fact that she has just been there for us for the last sixteen I'm gonna makeup years and the fact that you never see her sweat but she's been through it means that is a superstar. She is the American idol. The American people fell in

love with her, and that is no mistake. And when you come in here and you call her Starbucks. And when you come in here and you call her base and you call me Starbucks and you call me Basic. And if that's the case, bitch, meet me outside. I will meet you there and I'll be a belt and catch a breath, which is a little known single that should have been top of the charts, but the industry is out to get her more. Austin, I don't think so, honey.

That's one minute. Wow. Did you just say that she doesn't let us know that she's been through struggle because that isn't what every song is about. That is That's okay because you know the constant reminder her music, her music, Her music is for you. It's not for her. She lets you live her song. She is. Matt has said she's the ultimate treadmill queen. Her treads are designed for the treadmill. So she's harnessing her her vulnerability and her struggle.

But she's just you know, you're never going to hear about her feuding with another pop star in the news. Yes, no, she she seems to me like a very genuine, beautiful person. But I think that I it's sort of in the same area as Christmas where it's like, I, you know what, they're popular, people like it. I don't get it. I don't The part of my brain that should react to it isn't there. I understand that their pure joy, but um yeah, no, sure, okay, it's just that Julio has

has called her Starbucks, and I like Starbucks. I like I like Starbucks. In fact, they know my name and the Midtown Starbucks they know my name at the sight. Whenever I've been to a Starbucks, I have pretended not to know what their sizes, the names of their sizes. And I always do that because I reflect Europe, to give in to their to their lingo. I get that to power play. Um okay, bone, are you ready? Um? Should I be preparing one of these? You need to

have one? Bitch? No, it's fine, it's it's it's sometimes it's better when it just comes to you in the moment. But having just said I need to have one, bit, so I when you start thinking of one, So so I'll go and then you can start thinking of one. Here we go. This is I don't think so, honey, and his time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Swell a bottle. The new trendy Swell bottles. I have one right here, honey, and I love it. But this is the problem. I don't think so, honey, Swell Bottles.

You do a bad job of masking the disgusting odor of my own saliva. And Honey, I don't want to be reminded that I have bad saliva. And I know why people, And look, I'm putting myself on blast, and that is how badly I need to put this message out there. I don't think so many Swell Bottles. I wash you every day, but you still, for some reason, you have this weird odor. I don't know. It's not something in me I have. I have great oral hygiene,

but you're making me think. You're making me second guess myself. And I don't think so honey, Swell Bottles for making me think that something is wrong with my saliva. I don't want to have to think about, you know, minus saliva not doing its job breaking down carbohydrates in my mouth as I'm masticating and chewing on on carbohydrates. Honey, I don't think so many Swell bottles for being the warby Parker. I guess kill me of fucking insulating water. Bottles.

But I don't think so, honey, Swell bottles for just pushing this lifestyle on me, I did making me think I'm less than because of my disgusting salive. I don't think so many Swell bottles. It's just it's it's it's making me feel very insecure about myself and about What you don't like about Swell bottles is that they retain the odor of my saliva after one use. And I think that's not that you haven't felt this with other Listen. I will. I will go to the gym and take

you know, Equinox. I'll go to Equinox thank you with um, you know, just a bottle from the juice press that they have in each of their locations, and I'll use it just fine. And look, it's bad for the environment, I know, but at least I don't smell my disgusting breath on them. But for Swell, for some reason, it sticks to the metal. I want to see a breakdown of your spending it where it goes, because I'm very very curious. I've just I've am I okay, um, I'm

not going to say I'm myself financially responsible. Don't say that but I I will reward myself when I think it's okay. Here's the question, where where don't you reward yourself? What are the what are the areas where you most people would spend more money than you spend less restaurants? You don't go to restaurants. I don't. I'll go to them. I just don't like there are some people who will just spend like more money than is than I would ever ever would on a meal I would. I'll never

seek out like a fancy restaurant to go to. UM. I'll keep it pretty fast, casual, pretty casual. UM. That's it. Roommates. I have roommates. And what else do I not splurge on. Let's look, I splurge on a lot. He spends that's great, Yes, spend the money. I bought a Nintendo Switch yesterday. I felt like I deserved. This is I don't know if you've covered this on the podcast, but you two comparable to the Journey of the Mayflower in its grandiosity and

it's audacity. Took that what was it a hundred of fifty car ride to a Taylor Swift. Absolutely absolutely, and that status, just that sentence is so disgusting and let me tell you how expensive the fucking margharita's the margharita is in quotes we had when we got there where they they certainly didn't taste like that alcohol. And then they were each I spent and the beers were fourteen. It was crazy. I was like, I know how much money we're giving away right now. But it's like Taylor

and now a different time. It was a different time. It was, it was different time, and then all of a sudden the world changed, yea, and no one could remain a political without absolutely, but she managed too. But now she's been gone for a long time, and I have a theory, and before we get to Julio's, I don't think it's funny. I want to say this theory.

I think that Taylor Swift is going to come back, and I think she's rebranding right now, and I think she's waiting because everyone is coming out with your music right now. I think Taylor Swift is going to come back, and I think that it will be smart for her to go in the direction of being like the next

like Pat Benatar. I think she's going to come back like with a really hard image like I've been through ship you put me through, and I like a dark phoenix rising from the As you see her met ball looks getting a little like more metallic and strange, and like I think that she I think I think her her good girl days are well in the past. I think was her exploring them more like risky side of

her personality. And I think she is going to respond to the dragging that she's been through with some sort of like dark Taylor, and I think it's a good thing, okay, alright, I think will result interesting music. And also I heard a rumor she's trying to make it a hip hip hop album. Furious guys, we're gonna propa see it now. If Taylor Swift comes out with the hip hop album next, we will write the stream and we're gonna buy it. Okay. So I am sending one text message to the real

church saying that I will be a little late. We're so sorry. Well we'll get you out of here. And no, no, please, I hope you edit that out. I yeah, okay, um, here we go. I will I will want to hear a whole transcript and I will choose what remains in the podcasts. But for now, yours Julio taures Is. I don't think so, honey. And your time starts now, how much time is it? One minute? Oh, that's too much. I don't. I don't think so, honey. Uh. Atheists who

observed Christmas, I don't think. I don't. If you actively reject having a god all year, but then at the end of the year you give in because you want present and see your family, then stop masquerading you're a Christian. You accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and savior. Don't. Don't for a second tell me that you are that you are an atheist. No, you can't. You can't have it both ways. You cannot absolutely have it both ways.

Stop looking at us. It's your time. Fifteen seconds. Uh, stop stop observing Christmas, and don't go to the birthday of this person who hates you. Yes. Seconds. If you stand, if you stick to the to the biblical God, then you know we are abomination. So don't go to his birthday. Listen, Christmas is post religious at this point. I think everyone everyone culture Christmas culture, every everyone says that Christmas is it's just buying. So I mean, I'm not saying anything

that hasn't been said your takedown of Christmas. Don't observe it? Stop it? Why does the moment close on Christmas when they are profiting out of so many artists that have struggled because of Christianity? Well, there you go. If you can spin this in a way that speaks that, that speaks truth to power, then I'm on board. So MoMA, leave your doors open on Christmas. Yeah? I agree, there you go. That's that's that's ignore it. Ignore it. Um. But you're saying, don't even see your family, like I

I understand not? Wow? Okay, all right? Do you not observe Christmas? I do not observe Christmas? No? What hell do they do? You observe my birthday? Which is when February eleven? That's a perfect birthday for you, is it? Yeah? What does that make you an aquarious squarious? I don't really know what that means. I will say this, we cannot be atheists and believe wholesale in astrology either. Can I be agnology? Yeah? I agree, we have to. We

have to reserve some skepticism towards this, you know, basic pseudoscience. Okay, that was my little stupid soapo. No, I totally get that. I feel as the I'm agnostic because you can't know anything. You won't. I feel as though I'm agnostic because you can't, because that is the definition of agnosticism. You can only know the self, and that is solipsism. Wow, wow, guys, this has been a fantastic episode. We love our guest Toio Tores so much. Thank you for being and where.

It's truly a joy, it really is. And we don't get to see you enough. No we don't, that's true. But look, it's the summer. It's the summer. But it is the summer. You're going to be across the pond in August. But we will see you. But where where can they find you? On the internet? Oh? I I like exiting stage. I couldn't possibly give my Twitter hand. But that you know what, you want to follow him to embarrassing yourself? There you go. It's too American. It's

it's you said, it's too embarrassing. Being American is embarrassing. Absolutely. Um, listen, guys, thank you so much. I'm at Rogers and Yang. That's vires by what we should We should sign off in a in a desperate Housewivee's way, okay, which is yes, yes, everything does come to an end, but every end is the beginning that was like really bad, bye bye bye. This has been a Forever Dog production executive produced by

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