"Woke Up and Chose Violet" (w/ Betty Who)

long time. But let let me start off and say that, Yeah, it's also that thing of wow, the podcast has now like allowed us to meet someone that I love so much. And I'm not even kidding you, I said to Bow and I was like so many not to be Lady Gaga about it, but since memory in terms of like I remember places I've been when the music was playing. I remember one time I touched down in Los Angeles while Somebody, um, Somebody Loves You was ending and I

was like, I'm ready to to like be here. It was like the first time I came to l A. And I was like listening to my comfort losing our guests and I was like, yes, it just kicked off the trip good. I'm just all things like that are all over. I have that. I have that for sure. It was walking down Atlantic Avenue, old old apartment, five years old, just about high society, okay, and I was like, yeah, and this is I remember why. It was like a cold day. But it's like, no, I'm feeling great. No,

And this is the thing. The catalog is rich. It is a rich catalog for me. It's like this, where's the greatest hits, Where's the greatest hits. It's warranted, It's warranted already. Volume one. I'm telling you, I think Ignored Me is my favorite song of all time. We have wasted no time. The standing is like we're a fount right now, We're truly a fount. I don't think it's been like this ever on the pod immediately like let's just there's no like banter, no, because I don't think

anything else matters. What do you remember, Like I think it was like two or three years go. I think I saw our guests perform, Like I went to wherever they were doing a pride event. I was like, well that's where I'm going, right right right, this is New York. This is New York, baby, And I remember an iconic long blonde wig. That was happening, and I know you remember it, and that was that was the same I saw Normandy at that show, you remember the one. Oh

my god, she's being very respectful. Listen. And here's the thing. I don't want that. I want this guest to come over here and stomp on my neck and spit in my mouth. Every Okay, we're just gonna get get into it, because the guest is a is an incredible, incredible musician that we love so much. And I mean, like, just like it's just it's just fruitless to even say everything that like has been created by this person because it's this is someone very very very meaningful to the community.

Just let's just get into everyone. Welcome, Betty, this is it is a happy I'm vibrating. I'm so excited to be energy when you walked in. Yeah, there's a lot of energy. No, it's not even there, not a lot. It's just it was the right it was the right sort of flavor of it. I give good hugs. I also think that's really calling cod because she's a large lady, you know, so it's like rest of your head on my bosom, and I would have I've got a strengthen my yeah, yeah, yeah, oh my gods to it. Yeah.

Can you guys connect over this this this show. Yes, it was an HBO Pride show. Yes, yes, and it was so fun and I'm forgetting who else was there. It was you, Normany and Leland and I remember you in this long I've never seen you in hair like love half and really it was it was giving you a new doesn't that's my that's that wigges is called Brittany name. She's a bangsi um sort of little situation and she's past the breasts because normally I haven't. I have an angular face, so I lose myself in too

much hair. I have to be strategic. I've learned the hard way. But there are wigs that do and don't work for me. So a bang is great, A bank frames my face well. And so a lot of my wigs are bangs, Maggie, and they're either like a short Bobby said, you have a lot of fun colored yes, bobbed fringeing. But then Brittany is a really powerful one and she's she's it long and I she was in the share video. I was in a share video and Brittany made Brittany was my hair in the share video.

Oh my god, Brittany. I feel like, now here's the question, are there different versions of Brittany or is there one Brittany that gets maintained. Now, that's the one Brittany that's like her in age of them have names, you know what I mean. So that's that's Brittany Club. I have Charlie's which is the which is Brittany, but she's shoulder length. It's very atomic blonde. Yes, um, I have it's unoriginal, but I have Blue Ivy and Pinky and that's my

blue wig and my pink wig I have. I have a Mary Joe and it's a bang ponytail set in. Mary is the the bang and Joe is the pony. Yes, Mary Joe is a great one. Oh my god, artistry even in the naming of the conventions of the wig. I mean, this is listen, this is the right podcast for this company. Absolutely. I know that I'm reading the

room really well for the conversation about wigs. Um, but hair has been very cathotic and spiritual for me as as a lady who has had short hair my entire adult life, right right, So that has I am perceived a certain way often, So hair is like when I was in a tougher spot in my life, especially in like in my relationship to my career, hair would be what I when I was like, I don't really feel

like going on stage. I don't feel like being myself right, And a wig comes on and I'm like she, and then all of a sudden, I'm on stage and like, I don't. I think now I have a different perspective on it, and I think I'm really trying to like ground down into myself and not escape myself. And so I've actually the wigs are like in their bags in the closet. They haven't been out. The wigs are the

wigs off for playtime. But I consider myself a professional performer now, and like wigs, I've gone out of a phase where now I'm like, I want to be me and I was so afraid of that for so long, and the wigs were the wigs were healing for me because I was like, this makes this fun again, and I need that. That's really really interesting because I've I think all the time about how like your parameters change

when your hair changes whatever. But this is something that hair journey you feel you literally feel like a different person. And like but even like you know, like you talking your actors talk about like, oh, like Natalie Portman shaving her head for VF fora vendetta. It's like that, like she moved through the world differently, you know, like that kind of thing. And so this is a beautiful full circle thing for you. I get called every day everywhere

I go, which I loved. But there is a part of me also that's like excuse me, I can also it's it's a large part of my I'm such a fucking bro, so it's a big part of my life currently. Also is this like finding the balance between my mask daddy energy and my like need to feel there's I could have this other weird sort of like Maryland in me that needs to be like busty and a cabaret star, you know, and it's like how can those two things exist? I mean, how do I like want to be Britney Spears?

And also I'm a lesbian singer songwriter, Like there are all of these dichotomies within me that I managing. Yes, and and that is like its cellist and pop star, you know, like yeah, yeah right, we also damned about this. This is what we dm but this is our first moment of connection. And I told you this in the elevator. Was that like you, Betty and I connected. I think I got through to you, I think meaningfully for the

first time. When I told you. I was on a plane going from like uh Sydney to Brisbane or something when I was visiting like five years ago with family, and I was you know, it's that thing where you put on your headphones you're on a plane, you fall asleep, but you're keeping the music on right and in and out you drift and hear something and it kind of like pierces through it like a very core lay contract.

But I woke up at one point, drifted into consciousness when Blue Heaven Midnight Crush um, which by the way, is one of my like that is my dikest song.

That is that is I love that it spoke to you and when it's so funny you gasped gasp when he said it, because I feel like that song does not get the credit because Blue Heaven Midnight Crush it's just such as they say it all the time, but vibe and I mean it really And this is what I was saying to Bow and as I was like, my I think, I think you have such an evocative voice and you really make like you you give that feeling of whatever it is you're singing about is very

committed to, Like I'm not trying to sound cool. I'm telling you a story. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're taking us there.

I it's a party drug thing where it's like I'm soaring and I mean it's like it's you know, I was one of my favorite songs is want to Be And just like by the way, and you said ignore me to which is on my independent record, which I'm actually seeing money from streams on my third record, so stream it promoted sister record is in the so she is like, I pay my rent with my actual music now, which has never happened to me until my new It's like, you know, a year and a half later and I

got a role to check for the first time, I was like, oh my god, for me, ignore me is on so frequently in my home that I may be responsible for like a week and a half of your of your rent. And when I when my first nine point nine cents single time, when I first was getting to know Brett Leland and um, I found out that he wrote that I literally like, I was like, that's just one of my favorite songs. And also we have to talk about the music video, which is one shot

and one of the best things. I love that video. When I saw it, I was like, why isn't every and talking about this, I was like this, that video was believable. I actually I would love to know your thoughts on this because last culture Eastace, you have something to say. I have a lot of interesting experiences because of my specific demo. Right, So, for the longest time, my demo was exclusively thirty two year old gay white men. That was like the show boys Town Chicago. That was it, Like,

that's the vibe. The ladies start to trickle in. I start to see our us diversify and I've met I love I love it. I love a bit on stage. I love to get to get the boys going. My favorite bits is like waiting for ladies. I see you finally joined us. Me and the homosexuals have been waiting

for you for literally eight years. So welcome. We've known and I feel like because of that, some interesting like my socials like aren't really popping because I have like adult fans who like come to shows because they have independent money, Like you know, they are independent adult people.

So I make money on tour like interactive experiences. My fans will show out and up ten times over, but the internet doesn't really reflect it, Like my YouTube isn't popping because like I just think I don't think of like thirty year old gay men as like the YouTube demographic necessary. That's like that's like a youth thing for the most part. Like it's interesting, Like people don't watch my music videos. This was the long the like long

winded version of but which is so? Which is like you would never say that that would never be a phenomenon or a thing that would occur for an artist, let's say, like fifteen years ago. Like there would be like like the the the engagement from the listenership would reflect in the viewership of the video, you know, And it's such a I've just had such an interesting I

think I think maybe everybody feels this way. I think I've had quite a singular experience while also sharing all of the like classic like every artist can connect over like label drama or whatever. There's like all of the fundamental things that I share with every person in music.

But I've also had this very weird like it's been super culty, but then you know, it's just it's kind of like I've been very blessed that I have been able to maintain my My music lawyer, my entertainment lawyer said to my parents when I first signed to sony Um, I dropped out of Berkeley. I was six months from or six weeks from graduation, and I dropped out to go sign a record deal and like live in New York. And my parents were like, please don't do that, like

six weeks you stupid baby. And I was like, no, I can, and so I was like I thought my whole world, I just like I had the spiral video. You know, you think there's nowhere to go but up, and you think you're so ready for it. At twenty one, I was like, bring it on, bitch, I am. I've been waiting for this moment my whole pucking life. And like there's so many things. I bis like, it's interesting how you just you grow and now I'm like, you think that you're ready, and now I'm like, I actually

think I'm really ready now. And my entertainment lawyer said to my parents when all of this was going on, and I was like, you know, coming out of my first of seventeen thousand cocoons my entertainment, Laurya said to my parents, it is not about if, it's about when because and he said, he was like, because I believe she's talented, Like that's if she had no talent and she you were, but daddy was bankrolling something, and it's like, there, may it might not be it might be an if

he was like, it is just about if you can afford to stay in it when things aren't going well, because things will not go well finally at some point, and if you can survive to come back the other side of it, Like it's just about that, which is so it's so sad, and it's been tenuets. You know. It's like and I think now at this point of my life, I'm just coming out into this like big next phase of like I've arrived. I think I've always been thirty in my spirit and I just turned thirty.

And then I'm like feeling good, I'm feeling standard, I'm seeing zan, I'm feeling powerful. The music is great. The music is great, and it's I think it's the best music I've ever done, which you're the most excited about this new stuff. That's amazing. I'm like when we said at the top, like the catalog, I mean like society and you know what it is about songs like high society too, and really all your music is it's so it's so I see music videos in my mind to it,

you know what I mean. It's so visual, it's so color. That's what I'm always I'm always trying to. Yeah, and your visuals are great, Like you call that furniture and songwriting moniture here and there. It just matches, you know what I'm saying, Like when the aesthetic matches what sonically is happening, like ignore me, like should be what it is. It's like it's like that all white moment and like just the way the sets move in, by the way

your dancers are amazing. The chorea is always is always, so shout out my amazing choreographer who has been I met him. I was opening for Katy Perry. It was me and my band. I didn't have dancers, but I knew that that was where I wanted to be because I grew this is like, come on, so I grew up in the heyday as we all did. I'm a ninety one baby, I think so where we we have a similar sense memory of our youth. I grew up in Australia. So there's like a lot more Kylie maybe

than there was. But otherwise she breaks through, not enough, but she doesn't. But so there are some like we had, you know, benchmarks that I've missed. But Brittany spears culture it was gonna be it. Maybe that is No, it's fine, let's get into Let's get into do you want to prompt me with the question what is the culture that made you say? Cultures? For you? There we go, Thank you. She the HBO Max, but now it's hbos Sorry, HBO Max.

Oh my god, it's the HBO special Live in Las Vegas two thousand and one from the MGM Grand that performance that era, Brittany's twenty two shouldn't be as fabulous as she is for the like, especially now with everything we know, all of the context for the whole story, Like I'm seeing footage from that and I'm just like, it's so it is so much more deep and painful and sad. Now you're able to still enjoy it. But there is that darkness that you know existed and it's

it's like rueful about it. Yeah, and you're like, oh, like and just you know whatever, it complicates, but you still enjoy it. We're all on the same page. But so that I grew up in the era of Beyonce and Britney Spears. I have a w W B D tattoo, which is what would Beyonce do? But it also for me is what would Brittany do. And then also my

stage name is Betty. And I think that subconsciously, me being like wedged in between like two of the iconic performers and entertainers of a generation and of my life was probably a subconscious choice at eighteen years old. But like that was what I saw. That was pop star. That was like giving it all, That was rehearsal, that was we want to be perfect, We want to give

you something that other people cannot do. And I like have this very strange experience going between the pot of me that is like songwriter because I'm like sort of a Missy Higgins Sarah Barelli's songwriter. That is my like what I grew up listening to John Mayor. I want to sit on I write this whole new record that I'm writing I sat at my piano or my guitar and I wrote all the songs and then I have taken them to go produce like I am, I am, yeah, I'm such a like it is so much more hot forward,

which is what I really wanted it to be. Um, But then like I don't want to you know you we talked about me playing cello. It's like I never wanted to be the girl who sat and like, who's the girl who played the cello because like I was like, no, I want to be Britney's like, but then I'm having this experience. Actually, Quarantine gave me a lot of time to think about this because I've been such a road bitch.

I've been like you been working because I have. My fear is that if I'm not spending every waking, fucking moment of my life working towards my dream, doing something active that I can do, everybody else is gonna sit. The label isn't gonna call me. I can't get this person to fucking make my music whatever it is. The Only thing that I can do is make an effort

to push myself for that and forward. And so that was tour for me because I was like having this experience all the time where I was on stage and I was like, this is working, So you can't you cannot tell me that I'm not doing something that is impactful, like we have a it's a community, it's credit. It's

such an incredible experience. I think on on both sides, hopefully that's what I want, and I want to create a space that's like that was a fucking show, amazing show, and I'm like it's not and nobody else could get

up and do this. That's the whole point. I'm supposed to be something special and that is that Brittany influence because because you're I ever so remember a time when it would be like all the like drivens and like the behind the music, like it would be really focused on them in the rehearsal room, like even like remember I think it was like The Life Is But a Dream documentary where it was a lot. It was around

the era of four. Actually remember that Beyonce did this special and it's just her hyper focusing on like the performance. Obviously you got her like rehearsing in the black and white and like the that it's like that is not you know, and there's it's me trying to always manage how can I be both and something I've really I spent a lot of time. I got super obsessed with Black Pink during Quarantine. I've loved K pop always. I've always been big into the culture, the same rehearsal. I

love rehearsal. I love when people are like, no, we took us weeks, and I'm like, thank you for the effort. Doja Cat is the pop star that we have been waiting for and that we deserve. We have been saying, like that performance that she did, I believe it was that the amazing and the Grammy talk about evanescence style of say so, because that is fucking range. That my favorite thing that she's done, isable number because also, what do you do when you have the biggest song in

the world. You'd be playing it exactly the same way. No, you you wear wigs, you give something different. I'm completely obsessed, and I think there's this like emergence of that level of talent that I've been wanting to see. I love to feel like I'm not good enough. I hear that, and nothing sucks more than than looking around and being like, I'm pretty sure I'm I could do that I think

I could do that, not even better. It's like I'm pretty sure I could do that, And you know, I think I think that like there is it should be like that, you know what I mean, Like we should be watching entertainers and those should be the entertainers that

are really popping off because it is something supernatural. Like you were saying about Brittany, I mean she was super she hasn't she had a god given gift and whatever that thing was, whether it was her because it's like I don't think that this is like I'm not saying that I'm a bad singer. I think I'm a great singer. My voice is not my gift. My voice. My voice is a vessel that I get to tell story with and I love to sing in. Music is my life blood and music is my first love. It always will be.

It has been. It like the way that you were talking about the way that a song can can be with a moment and how it has burned into your experience in your life. And then someone else loves that song. I'm getting goose bumps talking about it, and then you share it and you're like this is so special. And movies can kind of do the same thing. But music is the thing that you experienced why you're having a conversation.

It's in the background at the grocery store, when someone tells you they're pregnant, whatever it is, it's like those It is with you everywhere. So that's the most special pot about it. Music is like better than any drug because it feeling drug that isn't bad for you because it like makes you like it alters your mental state for as long as you're listening to it or experiencing it, but it doesn't like rot your brain or anything, you know, like anyway. And it's but it's so it's so special

and it's so exciting too. I look around and I think that like Lissa, she's a perform that's like her gift is It's like, yes, her voice is amazing, and like she has bits and stuff like the flute thing is so funny and she her like her gift and the thing that she's special is standing on stage and being like look at me, look at me, Like I am here to like make a vibe and make you

feel good. And I think, I that's my gift. It's not my voice, it's my I can I can be like we're here in this room now, and we're going to have an experience together, and I want to like make you all feel seen and comfortable because I my theory is, this is my wedding. I love a wedding. I love a wedding. I'm the first one on the

dance floor. I got. It's like, I'm so I'm ham at a wedding, and that is kind of my pop star energy is I'm like, if I am having so much fun, you have no excuse but to be like, well, she's really committed, you know what I mean. It's like I'm gonna set. Yes, I'm gonna and I say this when I'm in a like kind of a cold room, I will like a weird like corporate show. I've played this. I've played this show in a in a Hilton hotel. It wasn't was it Hilton. It was for a literally

actually like a ballroom in a hotel competive floor. That the stage was the size of this table, which is what six ft by three ft, so the three of us, me and two huge six ft two boys because they have to hire taller than me. So that I can sometimes be a dainty little girl and I feel like they have to look like they can hit man handle me, you know what I mean. And so I'm like, we're doing this and it's thirty middle aged people who have literally never they're not gay middle aged, you know what

I mean. Like I'm looking at them being like they have no, they didn't ask for this. The one there's this is I get myself into these because there's always the one event planner is the gay guy. He's like and he's like, I'm gonna book you, bitch, and I'm like, thank you, I need it genuinely. And then I get there and everybody's like what's going on, And I'm like, we're just gonna have I'm gonna have a great time. Hey, you just sit back. If you want to join in,

go for it. If not, this is a great rehearsal for us. Thank you so much. I will take my check and I will get out of your hair. And you're like, and here's I Love You Always Forever a song you know people, that is my go because it's the second to lost song in my set. I have always finished my set with I Have Always Forever. And then Somebody loves you Because somebody loves you. It's the rainbow song. It's all the rainbow lets go and we play and I always I'll be like, all right, thank

you for listening to all of my music. I'm gonna play one that you actually will know and it gets all the moms and everybody's like, oh, I do know this song. It's such a great doctor's office there was song was. It's a genius one to cover too, because your redition of it obviously is so so great and it's like a friend enough from the original, but it is that song, you know what I mean, And that

song is such a ba especially generationally for us. I think like that was when we were all listening to it was kind of like that time of like they played like thirty one songs on the radio and like that song was like top hits. Yeah, it was like that thing that was like top forty had like a rotation that didn't really change for a while, right, and like it's I think the key to finding the right song to cover is the one that if you start

and you're like, what is this song? And then the chorus hits and you're like, I know, and because it's like you can actually bring life to it if you're doing like Ain't Nobody by Shaka Khan. It starts and you're like, I ever, I get it, and the rest of it is kind of just like chugs along. It starts like I know, I know, and I started out of it feels like and if you don't know what

everybody's like, do it. And it doesn't until the chorus hits and everybody's like, oh I do, and then everybody's in it, and then it just keeps building and you're like, yeah, welcome hello. The secretaries in your brand, filing through habits, finally find it in your mind palace. Someone's like running through the holes like I have that. It's great. But you're saying when you go to that hotel show like what you still despite of the circumstances, your gift is

still performance. Yeah. I think I think the thing that I have spent um my like gym of sort of my life has been in like performing. The thing that I have like grown sort of a callous around is being the being the one who was like I'm going to set the top because I've been in so many strange situations because I have this very specific demo, so it's like I've played every pride in this one. That's

my like bitch. Like the memes that I saw when the pandemic happened and it was like Betty who filing for unemployment because the Pride season and I'm like, no, literally actually literally, So it's like that is my I've been. We often talk, you know, we've been to some pretty bleak prides, you know, like but are so important facts stage? Every time, I'm like, they need us more here, yes, every time, I'm like, this is and I know, like I played. I played a festival that was called I'm

Not I'm Not Dragging, and the festival was great. I was not the right person to be at the like again, probably some homo was like we should get Patty who thank you. But it was roots and blues, so it was an all female festival, which I love, but it was exclusively girls playing guitars. And I get out with my track set with me and my homosexual and their washboard abs and I like boiled up legs. They are still hot and you know what I'm doing. I know

what I'm doing. Yeah, but I'm like I come out and I'm immediately like oh and we start and people are like leave and that doesn't happen, by the way, that doesn't really happen. I'm like the number one person who would be like, I know you aren't expecting this, but you're going to enjoy this by the end of it. And it usually works. And so this was like a time when it was not working. And I was like four songs and I had my first break and I was like, I bet you're wondering what I'm doing here.

I'm wondering the same thing. But you know what, Columbia, Missouri, tonight, we're going to have a great time. And people just kept I mean it's like they kept leaving, and I was like, this is it's still and I saw and you can see. So there's like the front V I P section that's supposed to be slammed with all the people who have their fancy wristbands crickets. Nobody's in the VP section, so it's just dead space between me and

the one. Yeah, I think there was one. There was one gay guy over here, and then I'm making an assumption about her sexuality, but I suspect that there was one lesbian Gale in a Hukuru T shirt and the other guy was also in a Betty who T shirt and they It's like because if I feel often when I see people like that in the crowd, they don't just know the words I Love Yours Forever, they know the words to the fucking deep cuts that I'm playing, and they're like in the second verse like like on

the rift, you know what I mean, And I'm like, oh, like fuck, this is you were you were in the record, and it's so it's such it's like a shot of adrenale. I'm like, sure, I get so jacked up because I'm like this, you have been You're in Columbia, Missouri, and you probably came to this festival wearing your WHU Crew T shirt to come see us all of these like old middle aged people who literally don't give a funk

about it's not for them. I know that it is for you, and I will not let you down, sir and Manton or anyone in between that you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I mean Matt and I have performed to an audience of one and audience and we don't numbered the audience and it was screaming. Did they really enjoy themselves? Though? It's really crazy, like to think that that was like that was like six seven years ago.

That wasn't a seven and we literally it was. It was like a like all show and like a baby base. But we really thought more than one person would come, but one more than and we did the show. We

did the whole send. But but that was It's called rehearsal and thinking of Brittany Beyonce, rehearsal and it it's make it's putting you on the path to the moment when it's like I think that, especially in this business, I hear a lot about this and I see it a lot where it's like all of these weird stumbles that you have make you uniquely prepared for your destiny

in whatever way that is. So it's like for all of the times that you have fallen on your face in front of that one audience member who you gave you put on the list, you know what I like. So it's like for all of that, like there will be some weird cosmic moment where you're like, isn't it funny that I've had a lot of that where it's like I played one show that was horrible and I was so mad and I was like at my management, like why am I playing this fucking show, nobody fucking

gave ship, like this is so bad. And then it's like two years later one person was at that show who actually books for Jimmy Kimmel, And now you're stupid and it's real and it's like you to have the perspective enough to be like, well, another one buys the dust is like kind of easier said than done. But I think especially I heard you. Literally, I was listening to the Shawan episode who I love by the way, his husband, Scotty Yeah, follows me on Instagram. I don't

think that's my aunt. Yeah, because Sean is a big classical guy. I'm trying to find my classical music people. I need someone to go to the orchestra with. Oh, yes, that's perfect. And I was like, I was like, I'm pretty sure that Shawn Hay is gonna be my orchestra day. But he doesn't know that we're gonna we're gonna get I'm sure he knows you like Scotty's played you like in that. I'm sure, Yeah, Scotty is the one really

holding it down. I get that energy. Yeah. I love it when someone someone is like um whenever I think like Anthony was like cooking in the kitchen and your ignored Me was on in the background, like a little bit of the first time he met. He was like, he actually Anthony the first time we met, he said, my his then boyfriend was like the biggest betty. He was stand by association. So I don't want to speak

for him. And oh, I'm sure. I mean while he was cooking, ignored Me was playing and I was like, actually, I think when I met Anthony he said that, and I was like, and I made a joke because I was like, you're literally so hot, and I don't think he liked that, and I think that made him pull a little bit away from I feel like I I objectify. I would like to publicly time well peace of meat a little bit, you know what. I made a joke. Oh my god, Army hammer one time, like this is

years ago. I was, I was, let's just let's just blow yeah, okay, but it was a question about that. Actually this is like okay, I'm sorry, so sorry, you got it was sun Dance and he came in. This is like before all of it and like helmed by her name, so yeah, and I was I was like doing a fun little interview with him and who else was it? Um some someone else? He was in this movie and I'm talking to him, and I'm like, not like a journalist, I'm doing bits with everyone that's coming in.

So my bit with him was like, oh, isn't it funny, Like we're here at Robert Redford's like Sundance Film Festival. He's like the hot actor of yesteryear, and here you are the hottest actor of today, and he really like shut down people. I think they don't like to necessarily hear about the hotness because and I'm kind of I was kind of annoyed because I was like, what, no one's ever made a joke about you being hotly pleased? Played the Winklevoss Twitter like that's like you're you have

a vibe. But then I was like, I mean maybe they maybe like in their like a privileged way, that's their way of being objectified. Like but I don't know. I guess maybe another thing is like they don't necessarily know how to respond to it. Like it's it's like a maybe this is a controversial question, but I have

a question about ms Hammer. Okay, I understand, like I don't know any let me preface I don't actually know enough detail to be speaking, but I don't, so I don't know about like consent or any of that stuff. So like, if that's involved, that's not the thing. They felt like there was a lot of kinks shaming going on surrounding the army of it all, and I had

a feeling during it. I was like, if he changed his bio to Cannibal, we would all laugh about this and everything would be chill, but then all of a sudden, he's being chased with pitchforks out of Hollywood. I think there were some consents. This is what I don't know about, and this is why I carefully. I I understand like

the root of this question. And it's like if it were kind of distilled to that to like a kink, and like if he hasn't actually acted on it, and like it's like dirty messages with a girl who he's talking to and that's like she's like l O L do you like that? It's like yeah, he and it's just like he's like very unsafe. And then to have shared all of that, he's not like I'm gonna come kill you at your house. Give me your address, you I'm gonna come. It's like totally. I don't know. I

don't know enough about it went beyond dirty talk. I think I think it was. I think it was like it like genuinely was dark. See I don't I don't know enough. I just know I saw some of the like his outlandish cannibalism king stuff, and I was like, honestly good for her, Like why are we you know you're all you can be in defeat, you can be into what have you And if you have a partner

who's consensual and that then like rock on. Then the funny thing is like have they all the trailers for the new movie Death on the Nile are coming out, and like that's so crazy how edit around him? And it's so clear he's like the lead of the movie.

They like him and Galga Dote, I think are like a couple who are like the lead of They didn't replace him, but it did not because he would come seeing it like he's not in it there, Like he's literally like like they'll be like a flash of him like passing by, and the trailer is so trying to cut around him and it's really fun, but it's just it's kind of crazy because he's the lead of the movie and you forget like, you know, this ship takes so long, like maybe they we're not over it yet

for sure, And I know when it all happened he got dropped. I think he was supposed to be in married Me. Wasn't that supposed to marry me? But another shock wedding, which different he was. He was supposed to be in Shotgun wedding, and I believe got replaced by Josh Dummel, but that was like he was going down to Puerto Rico to go shoot it and then they

were like you're not, which is probably the right. Yeah, we're definitely not over And I don't have enough details, but I just remember being like, just like, are you allowed to be a freak? Like so what? I bet lots of people I think that. I think that there's positive stuffy freaks and tons of freaks in Hollywood, and I think that he went beyond to the point where

it's like, you know what's funny. You know what's funny is it's like I forgot when that always happening with him, that he was a big enough deal to warrant all of that, because he, to me, is always just kind of like he wasn't my favorite because around when Called Me by Your Name came out, there was this piece that I remember coming uh coming out about how like why has Hollywood given this man so many seconds? You're right, because he was He's been in a lot of flops.

And it was like if a woman, are like an actor of color, had had that many like missed attempts at nailing it, that they'd be like, Okay, we're moving on. But I think it's like I think he comes from a very wealthy family and also looks that way, you know what I mean. So it's like they would love nothing more than to be able to put Hollywood loves to forget. Yeah, they for a favorite, for a favorite, they love to forget and be like, no, don't worry about it. But like, but I think we're I think,

but I see. That's what's what's what's kind of being questioned right now by a lot of people. It's like, was he ever the favorite? Though? Like because I think he was just about to start working in like the sense of like army hammer works and and then and then this all happened. It's like, you know, also, we've given every hammer too much of our time at this point, like army Hammer has now taken up too much fun

to talk about about. Army Hammer absolutely cannibal like a cool for you as long as you're in a cool, safe environment, are you Are you willing to try this some this this plant based mean alternative that tastes like human Oh, I don't know, I think, tell me more. It's starting to I've only heard like absolutely not by the way, no, because yellow jackets paper has officially gone too far. And if I start eating and this is this,

I'm taking the kink out of it. This is just for people who enjoy the gustatory sensation of eating human flesh. I'm so sorry. So there is I think I think now like this is a few years ago, but now like it's gaining traction, not too much traction. But there are like plants like like alternative force shot that like that tastes like human flesh. That's insane. So how do you who? Who who is like so like army Amma

should be the face of it, you know what I mean? Like, embrace your weird sex chink And I think the shame of it is a part of the scary part. This is your this is your world, bro, We're just letting at it an industry. Now for me, it's not even I don't know if it's shame. It might be, but I'm here thinking I'm never going to try that stuff because if I tried, and I like, yeah, what then what what do I do well? And also like for at what? At what cost? I don't know, I don't

I don't know what to what. And also I want to know who's in the lab being like, let me taste tested. Yeah, that's right, how do you know this? Remind But you know what we would be good for is for unsuspecting people who don't know they're being fed human because this is a true crime phenomenon of of let me set the stage for you. This is a like wives tale probably, but it's like six degrees of separation. I heard the story about a girl who was on a date, a tender, some kind of online date. She'd

been talking to this guy. Yes, he invites her to his house always no always public place girls and boys for the friendly especially first couple of days. You're sussing it out, like for the love of God. She goes to his place, He cooks to her meal, they hang out, they have dinner, she eats halfway through the meal. By the way, this could completely be untrue, but I love it anyway, pretend entirely true. She halfway through the meal is like, I'm actually I'm feeling like like I have

to go home. I'm so sorry. I'm like, I'm getting sick and I have to go. She gets home, she becomes violently ill, where she's like, oh, I have to go to the hospital. Like she is not okay. She's like shipping blood like it's bad. And she goes to the hospital and they pump her stomach and they examined and she had been she ate a human at dinner and he and they look the police get involved the whole thing. They look up this guy. He was it was an Airbnb. He had used a fake name and

paid cash. His profile was fake. It didn't exist, like everything about him had been like all she had was the experience of it happening. But she doesn't have any photos of him, like his profile was like. So he got off on feeding her human and then ditched town and then literally was never to be seen again. This is one of the this is a film and he needs but here here's here's my circle is if the young lady who had been on the date had tried this beef you speak of that tastes like human, that

this plant based. She would be like, you know what, this tastes like human. And I know because I've had the fake and not a whole meal. You're right, You're right. This is what we're spending. My mind is going a mile a minute. Cannibalism is in the conversation right now because of Yellow Jackets. Have you watched it? I have not. We neither have we because we're like scared. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. For me, tv UM like taking in stuff from you. I I'm not I know

your housewives, I'm not. I'm not a reality goes as far as The Bachelor for me, and I wasn't even a Bachelor queen. And then I told you, and then I was like, what is happening? Because I shot the you know, It's like, you know, I'm standing on stage at this random fucking high school of Blake from The Bachelor in the middle of nowhere in Colorado, and I had flown out for literally twelve hours because I had something else. And it was like, they asked me four

days before, can you be at this high school. So I'm sitting in this auditorium waiting for and like and the producer is like, sorry, we're holding there like two minutes, two minutes, and then I hear we're holding. Sorry, they're making out against the walkers. We're holding, We're holding, And I was like, I have to watch this. This is my my entrance. Now, this context straight audience. This is context for me, like I have. Now I have to

see this. So I watched. I started watching Becca's season from the beginning, and it was It was also really nice because Becca is like a fucking Betty who stand Really When I went to follow her after I had done it, so I could DM her and be like, so nice to meet you, Like so fun, I hope you find love whatever. I opened our DM s to go DM her and she had d M me three years prior, saying Betty, who when you come, I'm coming to your show in Minneapolis. Will you help me film

my bachelor audition circle? And it was her audition to be on the first season that she was on art or whatever before I want well he was he he do you know about I don't I'm not a bachelination. That was crazy that was crazy. That was that was crazy. So basically he broke up with her live on live national television, and she was like, this is really fucked up. Like it wasn't like it didn't feel like I feel good for the camera's drama. It was like they did

it honestly. Actually Cecily played her on SNL. But it was such a viral moment. Basically, like it's like the finale happens. He proposes to her, she's so happy, and then they can't see each other for like a few weeks or something or like, and then so the cameras Basically he had decided that he wanted the other girl. He made the wrong He really picked the wrong girl. So they were like, okay, well we have to film

your reunion with her. And so basically they follow him with the cameras in he sits down and she's like, hey, it's so good to see you. And you can kind of see it married you can see a dawn on her in her eyes that she's like what's going on? And he's like, I've decided that it's nothing that you did,

but I have to be with her. And basically they followed her melt down around the house and she keeps being keep being like like leave me alone, and they won't, and like people from Bachelor Nation, like from the show, we're tweeting like this is this is like this is too personal and horrible and I can't believe you guys did this. So's I can't believe you've done this. So it was so like bucked up. And then we had her season and she she so they made her the Bachelorette,

which I love because she deserved her moment. And she's so cool and genuinely very nice. I've seen her. Actually, she lives in l A now and we're so Instagram friends. But she came to like six Betty who show, and so so the producer this is like the producer called me, and they make playlists for them because they're not allowed

of phones because they take all of their months. So like but you're planes, trains and automobile, I mean pre COVID, everybody was going all over the you know, they film an episode and pouquet for no reason and you're wall like let's go. So it's like eighteen hours of travel time with no device, and so playlist producers make them playlists like big playlists and Becca was like just Betty. I just wanted to bet all the time. And so the producer called and was like, do you want to

do this thing? Whatever? So I did the show and it was my first in because otherwise most straight people don't know me. I was like, Becca's my one in a million. She was like she was the first bachelorette that was like upfront about being a liberal Democrat like she because they're not really supposed to talk about politics.

I think Rachel Lindsay said at one point, like it's like she couldn't connect with It's like a thing of like they don't want you to talk about it on the show because they don't they don't want to be disqualifying and they shoot everything, so you're basically meeting someone. In fact, the guy Backer chose like this is how I take interestingly about Garrett. And they are not together anymore, and she's now she found love on Bachelor in Paradise

this last season. She seems very happy, God blessed. But um, there's a lot of controversy around Garrett. I don't know anything about anything. Garrett and Becca came to Nashville Pride. They were in Nashville and Becca found out that I was playing Nashville Pride, and she was like, oh my god, can we come? And I put her on. I was like, sure, girlfriend show whatever the year or something. She's still with Garrett.

He comes first of all. I'm like, for someone who's supposed to be like a transphobic, like monster, he's at Nashville Pride and he was like dancing and having a great time. So I was like, that's always it's already a great start. You know for what I this is just my personal I'll take it. I love I love heterosexual men who can be cool in a gay enron panic about it. That's my entire life. I have a very queer life and so like, if you're trying to ride,

that's got that's you're gonna have to get down. And so like my husband, I lived with my husband and his best friend from high school to like extremely heterosexual men, and I have gave them up. It's so it's so beautiful and awesome. And like my very heterosexual roommate, he's definitely straighter than my husband was, Like, I can't believe how gay you've made my life, like genuinely, like I could never have expected that this but like all of

my best friends. He was like Scott Hoying like all of his best collaborators, like all of these amazing queer people, and he was like I would have never expected and like,

what a beautiful gift you've given me. And I was like, it's just atmospheric environment, Like you're just like you're just kind of like showing them things that have no actual that are just culturally like queer people, and your culture is is like it's like it's magic, it's joyful, it's it's it's it's it's ugly and gross and like really

beautiful ways. It's yeah, I'm getting super into queer. I'm so we just moved, and so I'm getting really into queer art thinking about what I want to put or redecorate, and I like got super deep on Natsy looking up at all these like old like The Devil is a lesbian like old book, like like porny kind of from two So it's like it's really like tasteful and I think it's I love like old school queer stuff kind of from another time because now we all just get

to be however we want to be and live our lives. And it's so fabulous and great and lucky for us. But I love this sort of like scary, like taboo spooky gay stuff from from pre the eighties. I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, what's your relationship with National Nat? You are you? Are you? Because were you working out of there, like like writing stuff? No? I feel like I've heard you talk about being in

Nashville like I was. I was, I was working on my I'm working on my record with someone who lives between Nashville and Utah, So I was, I was writing songs in Nashville. And that's going to be a good vibe. Yeah, you know, he's um. He's definitely like red Red America, which is kind of a funny, like I'm trying to just make this beautiful, queer, like this songwriter record, and he's like, we have so many different kind of experiences in our lives, and I think we're finding this really

interesting balance and I'm I'm super jacked about it. It's my long time producing Patna who I made my first three records with Peter Thomas, and his stuff is so good. Music is incredible. Stream Peter Thomas, look at what you've done to my favorite songs. Ever, It's like that's the

lights off. And when Atlanta Stream Peter Thomas um that his uh look at what We've done is one of those moments like on the train coming across the train um from Brooklyn into Disney, when you crossed the bridge and you're above ground, and I was listening to it and I was like looking the sun who was setting over Manhattan, and and uh, look at what We've done was playing and I was like, wow, this is a moment.

I'm having a flash right now because I remember well, first of all that and also like like the song just thought you should know. Like when I first heard that, I was like, wow, this is like you just so happened to lyrically and like Sonic you're like, yeah, my life Yeah. And so I really wanted to get back with my ex at point, and I was like, I was like, the song is perfectly saying what I want to say, and it's good that I didn't act on those impulses looking back, but like that's why the song

instead of did the thing exactly? Why let me live out this thing in a song. There's a big pot of especially like as a married lady at thirty, my life is I don't I'm not trying to like I have a lot of experience. I do things for the

experience a lot. I love Like I was never I don't have taste like taste as far as like men or women, like if you can make me like I've never I've always been just down because I'm like, so what, especially at like twenty three, I was like, cool, I'll have some weird experience with this person I would never ordinarily go out with, and how rich does that make my life? Like I've always been? But now I can't.

It's I have less of that, uh agency by choice, because I want to have like kind of a stable, you know, emotional life, and so there's a lot of I think my responsibility and songwriting I think about right, like I want to write the experience, and also I think putting words to an experience that it was so real for me, so that when other people don't have the you go, oh my god, how did like Joni Mitchell did that for me? When I was a teenager, it was like, how do you know what it is?

Because I know it's a feeling, but I don't know what it is. And then you hear it and you go, that's what it is, and that's like, so I'm trying to really like get super microscopic and go in on a real specific feeling or experience that I go like, I've never heard a song about this thing, like about this one moment if you zoom so far in so that like, yes, it might be more niche, but then the people who it speaks too, it speaks to tenfold. And I think that's kind of where I'm I'm doing

a lot of different stuff. I'm trying to like really focus at using my music career as like a very specific niche stuff because I'm lucky enough to now there's a bunch of stuff coming up in my career that are all very different to what I've been doing for a long time because Quarantine made us all have to pivot for something, you know, especially as a touring musician, I go like, Okay, what figure adapt you know that absolutely So there's been a lot of change and growth,

and so it's cool too then come back to my music and be like, well, now that I have all of these other outlets, like there's less of me needing to prove stuff inn because it was like the only way I could express myself for so long it was my only outlet and that was really unhealthy. You know, I'm like writing music for an animated kids show that where we just got the pilot picked up and that's gonna be and I'm so and I'm like obsessed with it and I'm so passionate about it. And it's like, oh,

I get to write like a boy band song. And then it's so it's like, now, Betty who record doesn't have to be I love instinct, but I love this thing and I want to explore all these different genres. It's like I get to do that now on the show that it's meant for, and I get to be more strategic about what I actually want to put on my record because I don't have all of this stuff that's like desperate to get out of me too, you know, I have somewhere else to put that. And it's like, really,

I'm really pumped. That's the thing that's Jack Dallist, You're dracked up. I can tell you jacked up, well you were. You wrote this some I think you posted your your artists streams for Spotify at the end of the year

and I and I think you. I think the first line was like I mean not bad for someone who's like put out something you know in a while and like and it ended up just being this beautiful love letter to like the fans, and you're like, this is the reason why, like the numbers are still like this despite the output or whatever, you know, and like because you're a soundtrack. Because you're a soundtrack. That's what I just I love that you say that, because that's exactly

what I'm trying to do. So great because because because just a second ago when like Matt, when you were I think I think you joked half joked like yeah, this song is about you that you weren't joking because I know because I know that you were like, oh that's literally and I'm like, no know, because I mean that's I'm so happy that you're happy. Now, wait, that's a lot that like the immediacy in the writing like that, like discussion with yourself, Like I'm just gonna say that

that's not even true. I'm bailing on myself mid thought, like I don't know, it's just like it really and I think because a stream conscious thing, and also because music can exists inside you, like you experience it up here in your brain and in your heart your head movies and yes, and so like that is you know, it's just it's not every writer that can just do that,

you know what I mean. Like and also it's like when you're sitting down to try I think the people make the mistake of, um, I'm going to write a hit and they think it's like and the ship is long sailed for me on a hit song to that capacity to like it's funny. I was actually I was, I was listening, I was on the pane. I cut you off and I'm so sorry and I really want

to hear what you have to say. All I'm saying is like it's that specificity that is actually more universal, and it's like even in comedy and like it's it's so interesting sometimes when you get notes that are like how do we make this this and it's like no, no,

no exist in the specificity. It's like when when I when I was auditioning for a pilot season like a couple of years ago, like I would I would see every network script and it felt like they were trying to appeal to everyone and they were trying to like type that happened to like a device like what's going to be a hit show in and it's like, um, you know, like it's like has like this diverse cast and it's like about this thing and it's like a woke joke, like a wolke joke and in the sort

of like the bad parts of it and just like that where it's like trying so hard to be the thing instead of telling a specific, authentic story about what it is. And it's like that with music too, you know what they can cat Yeah, such a it's so like Pepe poopoo. It's like okay and what else, like we get it. But that's that's such a I think it's hot in I'm I'm in my first four into film and TV. Um. We have a matual friend, Sam Lensky. I think Sammy, Sam and I are writing a movie

musical together. Actually he told me yes, and it's really I think it's fierce. You would help that. I think it's great. Oh my god, he's incredible And we've had a real it's been such an eye opening experience to save the cat me screenwriting and doing that, and it's something I've gotten really into and I think I hope Sam and I are going to do a lot more of it. Together, which is really fun. Um. But that's like the thing about music that's so specific to it

because I had a really different experience in screenwriting. The difference in music is I think the right song can remind us how we are all the fucking same, Because you say, I just thought you should know is literally my life. And I'm like, do you know how many people that song specifically because it's so specific, have been like, no, how did you do that? And I'm like, right, but

this is what I'm saying. Different people from different socio economic backgrounds, people of different races, of different genders, of different identities sexually, like all types of people have been like that is literally my life. And I'm like, right, because we are literally all the yeah, and don't patronize me with your art, you know what I mean. It's like, let's tell the story and I can connect to it,

you know what I mean? Like real, the things that really pop off are because they get specific and they get real, and that's where the authenticity is not in these things of like let's type into, let's type into get an algorithm of what's going to work, because we feel there's no soul, there's no one who can be more youwer than you do. And also, by the way, like I am a huge proponent of pop music and and algorithmic pop music as an art form. I stand

a perfectly sculpted, crafted nothing pop song. I love black Pink like that is literally the most people who who hook here, wrap here must rhyme here and then is hit song. And I'm like, yeah, you're yes, You're correct about and I am obsessed. And something I've had to this was a big realization is like, oh, the there's a huge pot of pop culture that I as a consumer identify with and love, but that is not does not mean that that's the artist that I actually am.

It's kind of the artist that I wish I could be. And it's like, because the part of me that wishes I could like be five ft three in the bra on stage in the rain at Brittany at the end with a clear cowboy hat doing the like sexy pop star thing where you have the full choreography and seventy five dancers and it's all tightened together. It's like, well, actually, like I'm a big giant girl who like played cello in my whole life, and so that's just like I'm

fundamentally and that's not who I am. But it's so there's this big choice of like, oh, it's just because I love it doesn't mean it's who I actually am. And I've had to shed a lot of stuff that isn't really authentic to me actually because of how much of that part of culture that I love. Now that I've become who I really are, it rhymed better and Ariana was like, that doesn't make sense, and Max Martin was like, nobody cares. And guess what. Break Free was

like the biggest song of that year. Now that I've become who are really are, I'm screaming it because I can't believe it. And it's like who fucking because actually, who cares? Biggest song ever High Hopes by Panic at the Disco has like thirty five writers and the Brendan's manager told me a story. I toured with Panic and it was an incredible experience. I'm I'm literally obsessed with them and cannot say enough nice things. The whole crew,

the fans, it is so my people. It's like a bunch of fucking weirdos who love Brendon And I'm like, yes, like my fans feel the same way. It's like a bunch of like outcasts who love Betty Who. It's like a very similar energy and high hopes. The chorus was a song that had been pitched as a rap song, and it was like the Panics manager heard it and was like, this should be a panic song, not like they wanted the hook to be on a rap song. And he was like no, no, no, no, this is

a panic song. There were like twelve writers on that song. And sometimes when major labels come together to like do God's work it you go like, oh yeah. Someone probably was like it's not hooky enough, and everybody was like, we're all going to kill ourselves. And then it was literally the biggest song at Top forty radio. It's like nine months and it's like sometimes a dualipa that is major label money at good at Good Work. She is the pop star like that is a at a curated

created pop star by a massive corporation. She had all this, she had all the stuff and they said we will expense you into being a star and she said, okay, So what is Doja cat to you? Then? Is that it's like Doja is a an icon in a different way to because her her. She is so authentic and so fucking weird. I was listening to her pre move pre pre pre I was like, she was on it. I was showing this guy I was dating. I was like,

you gotta listen to that. Here's a view video for the song called go to Town by this girl Doja Cat, and like no one was listening to her, and I was like, you guys, like, who's Doha cast? I know, I know, it's like how do you pronounce it? And like now it's like I feel like Doja Cat is actually algorithm pop star slash, you know, like MC turned giant megastar. Like that is also in some way the

label system at work. And that's what to do with her music because I look at her, I look at her entertainer side, and I go like that is god given. Nobody paid for that. And she's like a damn Like she's like people are paying for entertainment, like they are, they are paying someone to put her in rehearsal. And I also like, listen, we've all seen the video, we all know the moves. That did not change. I will say, I will say I respect that this girl has been

in like seeing her now, she got it down. She has that same coreown. She might not be Janet Jackson, but I don't want her to be Janet. And I'm really appreciative that she said, you know what, I'm being fucking dragged. Why don't I get my ass and rehearsal and I'm gonna I'm gonna tighten this up a little bit. And I see her now and I'm like, bitch, I must about like credit where credit is due. I love

that about her. This is my thing right now, And like it's this kind of goes back to what you're saying, like, oh, you're the ship is sailed, free to write a hit song. I feel like we're no longer living in a monoculture anymore anyway, so that there there is no thing that like everyone from all quadrants, all sectors is going to

like zero in on at the same time. It's just not gonna happen and listen, Like this is the other thing I think about, is I Social media for me is fun when it's supposed to be fun, and then I like mostly makes me feel bad about myself and I try to disengage from it. You know, I think most people feel that way. Probably I am, and I know what it looks like when you're really great at social media. Because one of my best friends, my best friend who is my roommate in college freshman year, Sarah.

She's my writer, die bitch. She's good at the Internet. She speaks Internet, and I'm like an old lady, like totally don't understand comparatively because I see her and I go, you know you, Oh you have it. I don't, And I am having this moment. There's, you know, music, I think everything streaming, everything is so crazy, and we're all kind of coming to a head of like, Okay, you can't pay artists nothing. We have to figure it out. We're figuring it out. Stuff has to be figured out. TikTok.

Like I went out, She's man, I'm going say it. I went out. You know, I'm taking some of my first couple of singles out to sort of test the waters because I yes, yes, that makes total sense, because I have had kind of a not a great first record label experience. But I also believe that, like I also see what happens when record labels are put to lizza. So I feel very connected to as an artist. She's

making the music she wants to make. She wants to make a good fucking vibe and she wants to entertain people, and I go like same, and she loves a sparkle and I'm like yeah, no, no, no, we were like same demo before she got really famous. We were both on tour a month apart, and so I was at every venue behind her and we had a co headline tour booked. And then she popped off and I was like, by you enjoy the Grammys. Yeah. We were like we were doing this. We were literally like in it together.

I was like, that's my bitch, Like we didn't know each other, but I was like you and me, sister, like I feel kinship here. And then she had her moment and I was like, what one day for me, it'll happen. But she I feel like that is major label money, going like, no, we can support what you do and make it massive. And that's all I ever wanted was to be like I will do I will do the work. I love to work, I love it. Point me in the direction and say dance, monkey, dance,

and I am so spread for your validation. I'm happy to please. And so I had this bad experience at my first label, and I was like, there's no way that there's not a label partner out there for me that can do the same thing that has happened to Lizzo, to all of these amazing peers. I look around and go like, he has had the right that's just the

right relationship. And I was a baby at ossier. I made so many mistakes because I didn't have good guidance because nobody, how do you know, I didn't have peers

in the industry that I could actually know. I was young, and it was me and all my friends for who just graduated from college and we were living in New York and I signed a record deal, and I was the first one out of Berkeley that I knew other than Chili Childie Pooth and I went to school together, and so he signed to Ellen's label, but he had he was like famous immediately, and I was like a cult hit with the gays and then just like played every pride in America. And that's so we had very

different pods anyway, um straight culture. But but this is like I had this moment. I was like, I'm going to go out. I'm just gonna see because what if I take some meeting and it's the best meeting of my life and this is I'm you know, I went around I needed a new agent, and I went to see a being like the Death Star, like everyone says that you're just gonna get eaten the live in there, and I had literally the meaning of my life and they have been smashing it for me. So I'm like,

what do I fucking know? Why don't I go out and see see what's about it? There's not a single record label in this town that will sign me. They all turned me down immediately, without even hands down. And it's like I talked to my producer about it. He's like, I can't believe it's twenty two and Betty who can't get a record deal. And I'm like, the but this is where it's shifting as they go. We want to sign people with a viral hit on TikTok only, And

I'm so embarrassing for you. That's so embarrassing because that just lays bare this truth that like, okay, so the labels are are being subjugated to like this thing that is not in their control at all. It is so embarrassing and I'm like, well, clearly that answers my question. I don't want to be there anyway, you know what

I mean. It's like I don't want to be somewhere I'm not wanted And clearly I just wrote a song that I love that I'm super excited about called that's called love Letter, and it's about being like I'm going to write this is my last love letter because like, if I'm not wanted here, then I guess I'll just sunk off. Like what am I gonna do? Like wait around for you to decide that you are falling in love with me and you're obsessed with me, Like no,

like yours, this is what you get. And if you're not down like i'm, I guess I have to do something different and I just I so now I'm I'm I think I'm gonna do this distribution deal. That's to me, it's about I get to keep my masters, you know, it's about ownership, etcetera, etcetera, actual financial gain from something that costs all of my money and all of my time and effort, like as it should be, etcetera, etcetera. So it's everything's going really well as far as that goes.

But like it is, I'm not going to wake up and all of a sudden be really good at TikTok so me being an old person on an app trying to force it will not make it any better. And so I kind of them in this place where I'm like, I like, there are a lot of people in my ear always talking, you know, They're always talking about all the things that you can be doing, and I'm like, listen, at what point am I going to be like, it's

really about now that I'm doing. Also, like writing this this music for this animated TV show, I go like, I'm getting so much more out of a out of jobs again. I love to work. I just host I speaking of reality TV. I host the reality show that I can't find a massive nd A force. I can't say anything about it, but it will be coming out this year and that's going to be so king ridiculous and fine. And I had the time of my life and everybody kept being like, you're such a great host,

and I was like, I'm not doing anything. I can't believe I'm being paid to be here. This is the best job of my life. No. I hosted a show too, and I was crazy. I was it was wild, It's so much fun. And I was like, I have been. I saw Luke Bryant no disrespect to Luke Bryan upset. I'm I'm a country guy. I love I love country music. I love Nashville country music, songwriting stuff. So I'm obsessed. I went to my friends um Runaway June. Their band

a country girl band that I love. My friends Runaway June. We're opening for Luke Bryan. So I went to the show. I've never been to Luke Brian show, and I was like, this man is in a pair of jeans and a baseball hat. He came out here and he does like a little gyration, like a silly He's drinking, ripping. Margarita is on stage halfway through the show. I'm like, you're fucked up, Like this is rock can roll. He just just like weird gyration and I'm like it's like kind

of objectively, uh like categorically an ugly dance move. And all of the women in Staples for me, and I was like, I'm an idiot, Like I work so hot and Luke Brian is selling out Staples Center, having the time of his life showing up and I was like, I'm maybe I'm the dumbass hosting Is this for me? So I'm like, this is little, this stables like, this is me going like buck yeah. And I loved being a pot of something where someone's like, okay, now go

make the moment happen. That's what I love. So now music for me in this gorgeous, exciting way is like I just get to do what I actually want to do for the first Like, I don't have any I need a hit song paranoia because of our CIA or whatever record label, anything I want to I'm not trying to make a fourteen minute like esoteric jazz record. I want to make pop songs that make people dance and have on like that's a part of it. But I'm not going to sit and obsess over it. Because why

I have jobs now, I get to go. I just want to work and have a great time and whatever comes from it. I should be so lucky. And I think I've heard you guys talk about this where you just become a professional all of a sudden. I feel like my first song came out in twelve, so this is my ten year anniversary of being in the biz.

She like woke up and became she like turned thirty, And I'm a professional now and I'm like I got asked to score this the show that I'm writing the music for, and I have zero experience there, and my imposter syndrome is going crazy. And one of my best friends was like, you're just a professional person now, and like people can expect you to ask something of you and that you can do it and you just have to say yes and you always know more than you think.

I'm dealing with that right now because I'm shooting this this showtime series, and I literally had that thing before I got there. Yeah, it's going to be great. Time listener first time called this this this confirmed vibes are very good and I'm aided about it. But I did have that thing the night before where I was like they made a mistake, like I can't believe this, Like I'm going to get there and no, not all my lines like who do I think I am? Like you know,

and all these things. And then this was like the first job I've had where I actually showed up in the morning and I said to myself, no, you deserve it, and you've worked a really long time and you are good and like and like you're actually gonna hold your own there. And then you know what you well, that would be for other people to decide, but I feel

good about it. But but it's the thing of like you do get to a certain point and you probably have this, I would imagine, because there's no bigger stage, so it's like and there's no more bigger pressure, and there is that thing of like you actually at a

certain point. And I do think it's with time and with age you say to yourself whatever it is you're doing, even not in the entertainment industry, like whatever doing whatever it is that you do with teachers, you know, getting those preschool jitters, like when a new class is going to come in, Like when you finally say to yourself, no, you know what, I'm a professional and I can do this and I'm better at it than I am ever going to give myself credit for me because I think

we all have that that thing that and maybe it's like a defense mechanism or it's like, let me knock myself down before the world. Your whole life, your whole life, you have sat with your like deficiencies, your self perceived deficiencies, So of course you're going to talk yourself into into this place where you're like, I don't deserve this, When

did you get comfortable doing that? I was just about to usk because I wonder, because you're not only a cost member of the biggest sketch show of all time, but Breakout, Breakout Star and also now you have this like flourishing acting career that I feel like you. I wonder because SNL has changed so much in your life. Are you at a place where you are like auditioning for stuff and still not booking some or are you like offer only I get the choice of whatever I

want to do? Like what is her energy? These energy?

These days? It is like still makes of both Like I had to put myself on tape for a couple of things and didn't get them, and I was like, okay, that's and that feels actually very refreshing, not refreshing, coupling no, no, not no, just grounding, keep me, keep me ground and keep me humble from my fabulous life fist And because I was like, I was like, oh, I remember this, I remember this feeling, and I like, I don't know, just being just being able to triangulate like um oh,

like I'm I still have a ways to go, or like I'm still not like I still have to like figure stuff out, and like, oh, I've set up a nice like base for myself to like work off of. You know, does make sense, But I'm not asked you that question yet though. Realizing about the show, no no, no, no no, I'm like, I'm realizing that I've never had It depends like it was like when Taylor was on, where you stressed a little. When Taylor was on, I

was stressed. Well, that was a crazy week because there was a lot of talk about doing something on Weekend Update with her, and then things in the schedule kind of got crazy and then like it just didn't happen, and I was kind of like damn, like I could have I could have done something, and then Lauren was like she'll come back, and I'm like, okay, whatever, I don't know this is we can keep this in but like healthy bts, it's healthy bts, but like I don't

it depends. It depends on my mental state, like week to week, like where you're at inside of yourself, because then you can be like I kind of had a tough week and this is like hard to put yourself. It's like yes, it's like what you do is do you seel this week before life shows like at work, like every week feels like the most important week of your life and it and it resets and that's the beauty of it. But like I only am able to take like a granular look at it, like week to week. Yeah,

you're so funny. You have to because if you zoom out, you're like you do see the court for the trees then like it is really jarring. And so I don't know, I don't think I'm quite uncomfortable. I think people can tell. Still, I think I still have like a ways to go. You're not like walking on stepping like this is my home, I own this place. Well, okay, can I say something like we can leave this out? But Christian Wigg came back when Will Forte hosted, and she was just kind

of walking around. She and I were in a sketch aget them. She like kept like trying on different voice as an accent, just like God, I don't think I'm figuring this out. Like it never goes away, never goes away,

you know what. Even someone like like Kristen is like still like second guessing or choices being like I don't know, like but but that is so it's it's refreshing though, when when you work with people and you see people and you get to know people, because that's even happening with the actors I'm working with, who are like and it's like like they'll express like, oh, I was really nervous before to start this, and I'm like you you know what I mean, like legend like but that, but

that just goes to show like that is such a part of the you know, sensitivity of like the artist or the performer or whatever like that that thing Actually you don't ever really want to lose it because it's good to have those like if I ever like there was a time like in New York when we were performing truly all the time, like and I would just walk out onto stage and I felt like it didn't matter how many people. It was like I felt good and I was happy for that. But I was also like,

I think it's different I televised weekly experience. The stakes are higher for you than like walking out onto onto the stage in like Oklahoma City, when it's like you're not being broadcast two millions of people. It's like the people who are there there and you're like, yeah, this is my home. I know how to do this, like you can hit a different threshold, like kind of a like you're in a zone because I'll look it. That's actually it's funny you were like the opposite is true.

I think on tour, which is a problem is you have to remind yourself that every show is the most important show. You're like, you can get very into like just another show, another city, like who cares? And that's like never the thing that I want to bring. I care. I think it's so cool to I hate people who are too cool to Carrot's Like, I'm just like, it's we're all we just want to have fun. I just want to be cool and I just want to have fun, and like I care, of course I care if you

like me. I'm standing here begging YouTube. I'm not going to like whatever. I don't need you, like spits in this spittoon. It's like, of course we all need you. Like even the quote une people, I mean, I think it goes back to what you said in the beginning to like, I think it's not advice. I got it's because it's in her book. But Amy Polar wrote in her book Free Your Career like a Bad Boyfriend, because that was the career. That that was the career advice

that I got from Polar from her book. And I have interrupted you a lot today and sorry, please, I'm just really excited when first of all, that is brilliant advice. But another thing she said that I'll never forget, and it's so simple, and it's what you said earlier, which is if you are having fun, they will have and

that is a hack. And it's actually really it is on you too, And I mean, like you know, of course there's like some circumstances that are just tougher than others, but you can do yourself so many favors if you just and I understand it's not as easy for everyone in every situation to just decide to be positive energy that day or whatever, but you bring and this is the secret, it really is. I mean it actually it changed.

It revolutionized my comedy. And I remember that. I remember it was like a mixture of like reading that in her book and also like you know, basically say but like watching Rue Paul and like when he said these things like, um, like it's like drag, Like everyone's in drag sid holding back, like to go out there and be stupid and have fun and like that is contagious.

And so when you say like I'm going out there and I'm setting the tone, like that is part of the X factor, I think, and that is like actually like something that everyone can achieve if they really let themselves get because you have to be confident enough to

be like no, I'm I know what I'm doing. And it's also it's like ten tho hours, right, It's like you earn it because all of a sudden, I've like I go like no, So after I've filmed this reality show for a month where I'm a fish out of water the entire time, I keep being like to say, I have notes like I don't know what I really don't know what I'm doing. I'm just like swinging for the fences and someone stopped me if I'm doing it wrong. I went to play Funnily enough, the Roots and Blues

Festival was the first show that I had played. After I had just finished the show and I or, no, what was it? It was no, I'm wrong. It was the first show of the Kesha tour. I went out for a month with the best time. I'm obsessed with her. Were she She's like not enough people talked about she's a down bitch and her music fox I'm here for it, Like I think she's so talented. Hell no one talked about that very off and the video is amazing. It's

so good. Anyway. Anyway, So the first show of Kesha, and it was in Montana, and I walk on to stage after being so out of my eleve for for month, and I'm literally I'm putting my in ears in and I like turning my micpack on and I was just all of a sudden like asture projected out of my body and I was like, this is my home. I know how to do this. It is so natural to me. I am so comfortable here. And it's like you you earn it, do it? You know? But I have a

question about commitment. Actually for you, I don't. How do you like how? My first question is how sick of you? Are you talking about SNL? Do you feel like it's more that defines me? Are you like this is the cool thing I love talking about? Somewhere in between I love talking about I am actually flipping the perception of it the other way where I'm like, I think people are stick of hearing me talk about it. No, it's a cool thing that's your life. Yeah, I will thank you.

You should stand in you and be proud of that. Always, yeah, thank you, thank you. I always want to talk about it. And yet I feel certain people in my life, no one in this room, but certain people in my life. I'm like, okay, yeah, alright, cool, that's that's an issue, not me, you know what I mean, Like that, that's about you, not about me, Like if you're if my grandness is making you insecure, I'm so sorry. No, I mean, but I'm listening. I'm honest, That's what I'm sorry. That's

a real culture. That's a that's real culture. Number forty nine. That's an issue. Girl. I feel like i'm I'm in meeting you and talking to you like I'm truly so I struck by, like how good you are talking about and this is yourself Like you're so I don't love to talk about and I do need I know what you mean, but I just I look at you and you have such an ease about you know, describing your your life and your career and all this stuff. That's

what I mean. What I'm what I'm excited about and hearing you talk talk about this is I can tell that you're excited, and so from someone coming from someone

whose work I just you're having from someone else. So that's the thing is, it's like I've already enjoyed and been obsessed with so much of your work, so to now find out that you am equally excited to bean And like I did some you know, silly thing at Berkeley when like a hundred people came because I'm not actually famous enough to draw a crowd, but I gave like a must class or whatever, and I one of the things I say is like, if you don't think

you're the tightest person, like and there's a difference between confidence and cockiness, like that is different and it's a thin line, but like you have to believe in it because nobody else is ever going to try as hard for you. No one else is ever going to believe in you as much as you knew. And if you were not your number one like advocate and person in

your own life who has agency to protect you. It's that therapy thing of like there's a ten year old inside of you that needs protection and you have to be the one to be like, hey, don't speak to her like that. Like that's the same thing for me and my career and my my business is like, no one knows, that's so dumb. I went to a soul I was in soull Cycle. This is so embarrassing. But you know Angela from Soul Cycle, she's like the famous

Soul cycle instruction always takes it was a moment in time. No, she's very powerful, like I'm here for Angela. I went to a class and by the way, I like to succeed in a workout, Angela makes it really difficult to succeed in which is my only note. It's not it's about me because maybe I'm just not on her level. And I go, this is not in all levels class, I understand, maybe I'll bow out. You keep doing you then, but she said in the class she turned it was

the most dramatic fucking thing that's ever happened. And I was, you know, sometimes it just it hits you, and and

working out can be churched for some people. And so this this one Soul Cycle, Angela turns out all the lights and I was in my fucking feels about something, and she said, she was like, God, whatever you want to call it, whatever that thing is for you, why are you getting your feelings hurt that nobody else can see the vision that God showed to you, and you alone, you have seen what your life is supposed to be. You have seen where you are supposed to go. Nobody

else has. Why are you out here mad at everybody else for not seeing the vision that God only showed you? And I was like my high brain you know, like like hits hits, and it's like, I'm so like because I've always I consider myself such a renaissance. You know, she's a singer, actor, dancer, you know, dancer, she does it all. I write, I want to do all this different stuff. Why would anybody know that I can do any of that because I've never done any of it professionally?

Why would any like it is silly for me to be mad at the world for not like giving me an opportunity that it doesn't know that I want. And so it really shifted mine's that same thing of I had a performance teacher at Berkeley who is his name is Livingston Taylor. He's James Taylor's brother. So he grew up in this you know community, this Lower Canyon sort of experience. He is adjacent to all of this and he has so much. He's such a character. He wears

it cute bow ties like every day. He's fabulous man. And he teaches this performance class and there are several things that he taught in that class that I think are genuinely like some of the biggest notes I've ever gotten. The first one he makes every single person stand up and say their name in front of the class and enunciate. And so someone like my Christian name is Jessica new him so beroklely. I was like Jessica new him and

he was like, what did you say? I was like Jesse And he was like, if you're on stage and nobody can find you after because they he was like, in between every song, if you're in a crowd that nobody knows you when I will be so every every break I have, I'm Betty Who. Thank you guys so much for being here, Like, I hope you're having a great time. I'm Betty Who. I say my name seventy five times in the show because it's like you're gonna, oh,

I think I saw Betty who. I remember instead of this amazing band that you're like, what were they called? They were so great? That's a great note. And the other one was you know the feeling when you're watching a show and someone walks on stage and they're nervous and you go energy steal it and you're like, oh no. And then they go to sing and they're kind of shaking and you're like, oh my god, oh my god,

oh my god, oh my god. And then they start and then if they flub for a second, everybody's like because when you are on the position of power on stage and you can control the room, like that is your you are responsible for standing in that and being comfortable in it and go hey, like, welcome to my show. Everyone's like, Oh, it's gonna be a great it's gonna be a cool time. And it's like that is energetic. That is all it is. Like, that is a monstery

that has taken me. I'm trying to really like know what to use where and be really specific about it. But before I forget my question that I had for you about the show about commitment. So I'm a huge when I'm a big manifesto. So the thing I'm trying to manifest, I think I DM do this. Actually I'm trying to manifest a perform to SNL it's been my childhood dream. You know, you see it. It's like in the montage of the thing you see, it's one of the things. I see you there. So it's a manifest

for me. It'll happen when it happens. I'm not stressed about it. I know it will. But the other thing I want to manifest now, my big host energy is a code? Is a is a host musician? Yes? Yes, marriage And so because I'm a manifest er, I was like, well, I better watch every episode of SNL so that I'm up on it, so that I know I should be in Like I'm trying to manifest this thing for myself. I'm going to be a fan and watch religiously. So

I watched the show every single week. I'm a regular on it, And so I wonder as a performer and out And if this is like a touchy like there's probably a press trained way to answer the question. But like when people who are not comedians come to host, you know, you know what you're saying, whether you're gonna keep it, like people coming in commitment is hard, It's it's a really awkward thing. And in that environment, yeah, oh my god. And it's so high stakes and you're

i'll prefect. You do it every week so you know how it goes. And so when you come in as this like completely out fish out of water, like you have to throw yourself in, Like there has to be some level where you're like, you either have to commit or it's just not gonna work or it's not gonna war. Like the only commitment any host has to do is just to be like, I'm down for anything. All you have to commit to is open mindedness. But I know sounds so vague and not that meaningful. But like the hosts,

you end up doing the best. Or the hosts who are like I'll do anything, yeah, not the host who are like I want to make sure I do like a singing thing. I want to make sure I do with something where I play, or a game show, you know, like yeah, like who anyone who comes in with the checklist already not gonna work, not gonna work. I'll see this is great, see give me, not for me to manifest. That's all you need when that day comes, That's all

you need to do. Like like like the people the hosts who like weirdly, not weirdly, but like the people like internally responded to the most. And I think that the audience is like we're like you're Carrie Mulligans who like literally came in was like yeah, whatever, I'll do whatever. It wasn't like I got to do this this this. Yeah.

It must also be hard because I feel like, especially if you're at a level where you're coming into hostess and l not only is it like such a huge honor and so you want to do it right and so there's all the stakes stakiness about it, but also like performers are all inherently fucking selfish people, and it's so hard to come in and humble yourself and be

like I genuinely don't know. You tell me and I'll go with it, instead of instead of being like no, I can do Like there's it's this weird like having to kind of open yourself up to in songwriting. It's like you have to you know, it has to be

bad for I can get good that thing. Yeah. I feel like that's probably very similar in your experience as a performer all the time, which is so sort of like yeah, totally, and like it's the people who come in who want to yeah, Like like I said, like it's you have to surrender yourself to it and and that and that's basically all it is. You have to commit to being a sub, a full sub, big big sub, right energy, big bottom Okay, I can. I can definitely

give big bottom energy, get bottom energy. I am. I wonder like how you must have experienced so I'm sure and you can't name names obviously, but so many hosts who have come in and you've been like, fuck this person.

You have to do do the skits and pretend to have fun and do the thing, and it's like, okay, and especially I am menagined you would hope that the ratio was was good, but I imagine that you're like, it's a really difficult Like when you're having fun, everybody else is having fun, you can't, Like you can, It's hard. You can. Sometimes people really get in your way and funk with you and funk with that with your ability

to have fun. Yeah, but I mean, but see when you were describing like putting your inner ears in in Montana, I've maybe this is the answering Matt's question premier earlier, Like I am I am able to walk into that space now and be like, ah, this is like this feels like home, you know, and like I never thought that would happen. Yeah, which is so like fucking cool.

And then and then yeah, and then the second thought after that is, wow, I can't believe I get to work here, you know, Like that's crazy, Like I took a studio tour here when I was and now I'm like I worked here. Like there are moments it's like so specific and random, but that's the same ship that we were talking about. That's the like your path has

led you to be specifically perfect for this thing. It's like, sure, lots of people have taken a studio tour of the SNL studio when they were thirteen years old, and they didn't end up being a cost member, but like you fucking did, yea, And it's like weird stuff like that.

That's why I'm such a manifestation and fucking queen is because like, when I was watching this is such a dumb example is an example, but when I was watching Glee when I was a kid, so like, first of all, Somebody Loves You was on one of the later seasons seasons of Glee, but it was still made it. It

made it in which is pretty cool. Fuck yeah, fuck yes, I will take it because some of those Glee versions go all the way off the Amber Riley I bust the windows at your con Doble, also their rendition of keep holding on Sorry Ever Levine, It's better than from Aragon sound the like dancing Queen like there don't stop Believing. I hate to say it, but Mr Chris did. And

talking about Teenage Dream were in our last episode. We talked about Teenage Dream, like the blame thing of Teenage Dream that like that was like that was like a moment for the show. It was like but so so Darren and Chris Cole. First thing, somebody loves you on the show, which is iconic, but so when I was and that was the big manifestation thing. But when I was a kid watching the show, it's so dumb. I'm

not dumb because he's amazing. I was like fixated with Kevin McHale because I knew that he was an amazing dancer and he has like already has the moment where he gets out of it. He has like a dream sequence and he does safety dance and he gets to really go in. And Kevin was in a boy band called n LT. Yeah, I think I remember that since

for not like them. I asked him the first time I met him, I was like n l T and he was, oh my god, please and I started singing like one of his riffs and he was like, I'm so like I don't want to do but it's so funny, like I'm When I first came to l A, I like played some random event that a bunch of people were at, and two of the people who were there, who were like the celebrities that were there, which was exciting to me as like a twenty year old gal

of not knowing anything about anything, was Sophia Bush, who I had been obsessed with, who I was obsessed with as a teenager and still I'm friends with and I'm completely in love with her, like I I she is one of my favorite people on the planet. Sop in Um John Tucker must Die was like a sexual awakening kiss. I was like, I'm sorry, what do you say? What

do you say? So like that was a moment, and then I was obsessed with Kevin and his dance moves in n L T. And at this weird event that I played the first time I came to l A soap and Kevin were the two celebrities, and I was like, I called you here, I cast a spell and brought you to me here because like, how many celebrities are in this town? Yeah, Kevin as hot as hell Kevin

and Glee. Glee had him in the chair and like with the glasses on and the sweaters and yeah, and dance we have we have, Like that's one of my favorite, Like a house party with Kevin with Kevin McHale, like put the put the tunes on me and Kevin like on the dance floor. I want to watch. I think a good time some of us just tragically we have to do I don't think so, honey. Okay, but I'm prepared.

I was and told me all about please where we are, we are excited to hear your rendition of I don't think so honey, Which, by the way, for everyone at home who's living under our goddamn rock, it's our one minute segment where we take something in pop culture and absolutely drag it through the damn muntil it's absolutely filthy, wet and muddy and disgusting, um and ashamed. UM. So I do have. I actually came up with him during the episode. I have one that just came to me.

I've said a couple that I was like, maybe I should pin that, but I came in with I literally have one oat. Are you timing the first? That will be mean? Then we'll be betty. This is mont Rogers. I don't think so money and his time starts now. I don't think so, honey, TikTok. I don't know what the funk it is layout wise, I actually don't understand it, and I actually don't need something else that I'm gonna die on every single day for hours and hours, like

my brain will turn to slush. Now I hear that it's a requirement for talented artists such as our guest to get a fucking record deal of cop off on TikTok. Also, what does that require, like that they have some sort of like pithy little lyric in there that's like not even coming from the soul of the artist. It just has to be in there to pop off on the second. I don't think so, honey. Listen, I'm on Instagram and if that's my thirty one could gonna turn thirty two

in several weeks. Um, deal, that's fine. I have my poison of choice. Don't assign me lure. I'm talking to you at large. This new thing that's gonna sec decrepatize my soul. New word I created, TikTok. I understand, like you do a cute little dance move, but guess what, bitch, some of you need to rehearse a little bit more. And also these white girls stealing stuff from black artists on TikTok, I don't think so, honey, that I met

my energy. Like just watching you get riled now, I am like I've been sitting on it since you said that they you needed a dance in order to get a record deal. That's that is truly dark. Like I was. I was talking to someone else side off air, but they were saying that their label was requiring them to start a TikTok or they wouldn't like promote the music. They are holding people's like marketing budgets hostage until they

start to activate their their TikTok engagement. Another thing about TikTok too is just like I don't think I have the app space like this thing. It's crazy how many times I'll be told by my phone my phone is enough with so many times I'm like Okay, what do

I delete? And then like I figure out what I have to delete, and it's like these apps will be taking up space I was trying to make like a sweetie, like let's go dn't dn't just to make one of those videos, And the TikTok editing features are actually not up to part. It is so like TikTok crashing in the middle of editing something and being like an inconvenient edit. I'm like, I'm too old. I'm busy, I'm too old for this. I have a job that I have to

do things for. Yeah, this is gonna take me six hours the video that nobody will watch, and then I'll feel worse about myself than before I did it. And I'm like, this is what my like team thinks I should be doing. Like it's just crazy that like I don't I don't know. I always have considered myself like pretty good with Actually no, I'm not good with tech. You know, I'm not good with tech, but I but you're on top of the culture. I'm on top of

the culture and the basics of it all. But like I can to figure out my switch, I'll help you. I'm as switch bitch. This one got me one first my game? Are you a Mario Kart queen? What's her? Who's I know you've got to be I think the Pokemon. I'm like, I like, I dip it in that when I can't. Okay, what's your like? Go to group party game Mario? Many games or what's the deal? We'll do the board? Sometimes will do the many games. Yeah, it's it's because the board. It's an hour commitment. The board

is like an amazing way to pass time. I love the board, but I don't love that you can't play with less than four players, so that the computers. So you're sitting there waiting for the computer to go and you're like, get over it. Yeah, sure thing. There should be a thing where you don't have to watch their turn, just like skip. Okay, do you have it? I don't. Okay, absolutely imagine a circle did the same one? Um? Okay,

Boon Yang are you ready? I'm ready? Well, then in that case, this is boone Yang's I don't think so, honey, time starts now. I don't think so many sugar Fena, what are you doing like doing peach blini gummies? Fucking

champagne gummies. Don't put alcohol in candy, champagne problems, champagne problems, but it's a real problem that's affecting the youth because any child can go up to the grove and buy sugar fena, you know, alcohol gummies and get wasted and then crash a car into a damn family walking down

the street and your whole what's getting behind the wheel. Yes, well, sugar is killing our children, okay, and me because all I want is just a simple sour Pats sour patch kids adjacent candy, and I'm not gonna be able to get that at sugar Feena when they're trying to sell me on like fancy stuff that comes in a hard glass box, no plastics, whatever it is. I don't think so, honey, sugar Fena, Why you gotta be at every weird fucking

mall and across the country. Why can't you just have like a little vending machine situation going on at various buildings and at JFK. I don't know about alcohol themed, can't flavored candy that sug kids to something they should like vape adjacent. It's very that and like I said, it's um, it's killing your it's killing your children and killing you because you're so obsessed. Clearly, that was a little bit of that. I don't think the honey flavor where it's like I hate this because I love this.

I did because I was at the groove yesterday and did bye I I did by the sugar lips no alcohol in them, delicious. Yeah, I knew it. When they get it right, they get it right. The sugar sugar fen is like the clear boxes clear. I guess that's like a gift basket go to. There's like when I play like a pride in the hotel, the hotel leaves the pride basket for me, it's always a champagne flavored like fucking sugar fen. But then I eat the champagne

candy and I go, this feels wrong. It's giving Yeah, not even that, it's just like this, this doesn't This is not like why didn't you just give me a bottle of champagne and some gummy bears. I would have enjoyed either of those things more than this combo that no but want that wants. Yeah, it's that thing of like I would never think to put champagne flavor with

that gummy thing. It's like, but I guess whoever did it is a rich girl, because here we are talking about it, and you know, you that bitch when you cause all this conversation, as Beyonce said, and what would be what will Beyonce do? She would say that, Um, listen, it's actually internally just sparked something in me and I'm gonna I'm gonna let the I'm gonna let the mood

take me there. Okay, So this is I can't believe I'm saying this, Betty, Who's I don't think so, honey, and her time starts now, I don't think so honey. Whoever has the audio of Beyonce, Solange and jay Z in the elevators. It has been years. We deserve it, We have a right to it, and I am demanding it the people. The people are ready. I think it's been enough time and are doing fine. They are doing fine. She is looking more gorgeous and fabulous than ever. What

does it matter to her? It matters, It matters to us, the people. And I just think that it's honestly fucking selfish. And I'm going to write a letter about it. I could, if I if I shall, if I if I am feeling so actually jacked up enough to do it, and I honestly think the Salange actually should speak in seconds. I'm waiting. I'm waiting for a note like the fact that it was just like so it was a huge cultural moment, and then everybody was like, we love to

forget full circle. Hollywood loves to forget. And I do not believe that this is something we should stand for forgetting. It's time reveal yourselves, because it's not enough to have the acknowledgement of some of what is it. Of course it goes down when there's a billion dollars on an elevator. Now we want to know what went down and specifics, please, specifics please? I want the audio. Do elevators Do elevator videos have audio? At the met? They do? Yeah? At

the you know what I mean? You forget that was the right the way ship pops off at the met ball like the Cardian. That's crazy. You just reminded me because miss Yang turned herself out at the mat? Who did? I didn't go to the mat? What were you at? They had this? Oh that he almost he was invited. I was invited, but I couldn't go. I was invited, but um I couldn't know this movie. I played one of the gay shows in my life on Fire Island.

That is, like, there are no places that I'm actually famous except for like West Hollywood, Chelsea and Fire Island. I'm just gonna little film town. I'm gonna famous. Sure, I'm throwing this out into the ether that you should do a song on the soundtrack, but oh for Fire Island, actually the fucking theme song, I should write a song

called Fire Island. Literally, I will, I will pay you personally, I'm saying someone called me I will literally I will literally wondering if they can pay you what you deserve. But like, absolutely not never, that's writers don't get paid. You know that writers don't get paid. That's hysterical. I'm just saying like that that has an opportunity to be an iconic sound track, and I think, absolutely right, Betty, Yeah,

you guys. I hate that it feels like we're wrapping up because I don't hate we have other friends who aren't me. I hate that I have to leave. I hate that this is the first time where this this is the this is the beginning, and honestly, like this is the most first meeting. It's truly the fact that you even like we're down to come and do this. Hey, could you shut the funk up? You are successful, fabulous people who I should be so lucky to come spend

time with. It is my pleasure. But you are our fit. You can match the funk up. You're right, I'm just I'm being rude. You know what? You know what I haven't said, which I've been meaning to. I keep being like, I've got to. I've got to bring this up. May I comment on the you're saying blue that your eyes are giving the shirts? Thank you so much. You know I do this us with beautiful blue eyes. We make choices sometimes and with the right shade of the right siam.

Whatever we've got going on is to rule in Perhaps, Yeah, I think we're giving rulans. It will just and you are just like I'm thinking. I have to say. It's like it's that thing of you know when you get your you have your color. We all know colors. It's like it's it's it's violet. I love love that. It's a violet that's going to be good. But you know, when you find your color and then you're you're shopping

as your want to do. Maybe you're in the girl of like Bo Yang yesterday, and um, you're sort of like you find an item and you realize, I'm sucking obsessed with this and I have to leave with it. I can't leave without it. But then you realize, oh, I have nine hundred, I have so many blue shirts, I have so much like of that things in that family. Green is also that's when you're coming like blue green like that. I don't know why I said, Violet, you

keep going keeping. I think it's because you just wanted to say the word with it with a kind of gus star that I really wanted to say. He chose Violet. What that one Bon Yang chose today? Kind of Violet woke up and chose Violet. This title of chose Violet. But I have to say, we really chose Violet with this episode. We popped all the way off and chose Violet. I'm I'm really I'm so happy to meet you. And I'm like, I know we when he said that you were gonna like and he said he said, like we

have we we had studio time. Was like, let's ask Patty. We've been we've been wanting to and it's genuine Yeah, I really so my I have a group chat with my best girlfriends called Sissies, and I texted hit Sissies being like, guys, I'm going to do less care and they were like are they going to be there in person? And I was like yeah. I was like yeah, And then I was like, oh, I might walk in and it's like a compute, like it's like there on zoom and I'm going in to be alone in this room.

And I was like, genuinely, I walked up being like, hey, babe, it's gonna be okay. If they're not there, don't be too disappointed. It will happen one day. So this is januine. I was like, I'm freaking've had it any other way, truly, truly, truly, I mean this is I canswer enough, but all day it's too much. You are the best. You are the one I'm so excited for, Like, what's happening, What's going on? And it's just the beginning, and you know we we do.

And every every episode with a song, nobody loves you, okay, they oh, he knows that he knows to say who in that? Is it a girl? Who? In that song? One more time? Is it? This the instrument, Is that a Chinese or who? And we're not gonna answer that. Two