"Who Is The Busy?" (w/ Busy Philipps)

You've done it before. I just don't want to go alone, and I felt like it could be bonding time with me and my Cis you understand anyway? How are you enjoying Atlanta instead of being with me and shopping for suits? It's interesting? Um, I am in the parts where um

a lot of the people. Basically, I went to Berries today in Buckhead, which, um what remember, not a brag at all, Not a brag at all, But I went to berries and buckhout it's very you know, straight rich white energy, which we love in settings like berries where you know, it's kind of a safe space for that. But um, I so thick. I don't like my has. Remember that episode of Grays where you don't like your calves they're famous, Well, they're they're they're they're they're hanging

too low now and they're a little too meaty. And then there was an episode where I was like, Callie and and Christina have to slice into a man's the second week in a row, you've taken saw a topic that we're talking about and then bringing up a niche old episode of Gray's Anatomy. It's it's iconic. It's almost as iconic as your own calves. The way you do this, and I don't know of I know that episode you're

talking about, you know what? You know what I'm talking about, right, And they both they both each have a scalpel and then they both like looking at each other's eyes and count down, and then you see the fucking decision. And then that that brilliant act or whoever that was playing the patient is going like really really iconic screamwork or that has nothing to do with how your calves look currently do that? I bet they looks absolutely stunning. There.

Your chief feature, I believe today was arms and ams. Was my first time in any group fitness setting since the pandemic and god to say, just as debasing and humiliating as it was before. No progress. Since it's okay, it's okay. Can I tell you what happened to me today at the gym? Yeah? I haven't heard from you in so long, queen, Yeah, well what happened to you? What happened to at the gym today? So I'm in, I'm sort of in the locker room right looking around.

You're looking hot, by the way. Can I say something? Can I say something humiliating? Every day I go to the gym and I work hard. No, I know I'm doing the same. I think that's why I went absolutely, But I'm not really going for an ideal. I just want to be able to like walk on and be feel good. You know what this is? This is this is this is what we have and we're grateful for it. And there was some some effort put into this and

I'm the best. That's the best we can do. I'm not I did not mean to entrap you with your statements. That's not what I do, but I ever felt in trap for exect. But here's what I here's what I'll say. So you need to be less victimized by my words. Queen, Well, I'm really a lot of it is just sort of me playing with you like the cat now and jerry of it all. You understand. I can drag you a little bit because I love to see you on your hind legs, because that's when your calves popped the most.

And I my mouse or and my cat, and then I open between the dogs you're and then you're the dog and I'm the cap. But then in the carr of my mouse, you're the cat, I'm the mouse, et cetera. I think I'm always gonna be the bigger one. This actually is a good segue. But first I want to talk about what happened to me at the gym. What happened at the gym, and older daddy in the locker room gave me the look that said, let's fuck, and I was like, I couldn't have run out of there faster.

And I can't tell you the whole thing horned me up because he was hot, but I was too like chaotic in my head about hooking up at the gym, something I've never done. I understand our guest is appalled. She's surprised. Well, you know, some of us have never gotten that look, and I think you should have. Really, next time you get that look, you should really go for it. Okay, Honestly, as you know, I've been in

all sorts of new sexual pursuits. Maybe the maybe hooking up with the daddy at the gym is sort of my thing. Now maybe I'm coming anyway, um to sort of speak on the Tom and Jerry of it all. Yes, here's the thing about our guests. Now, you sort of told me that our guests did remember this happening, But I don't know I was there, So she did know you were. I think she does that you were there. Cut to cut to just readers go back in time with us too. I think what was it the two

nineteen Emmy's. It was the last Emmy's with the crowd, the last Emmys, so with a crowd. So Bowen and I decide about halfway through, we're gonna go sort of to the bar. You understand, we're gonna get our red wines. We're gon we're gonna load up. And we asked, we sort of asked around like who needs drinks? Everyone's saying I need a drink. I need a drink. We go great. So we're walking back into the into the auditorium, which is very much what it was, and we're sort of

double fisting drinks. And while we're doing this, we're having I would say, a fun altercation talking about which one of us is the busy and which one is the Michelle, because we had been looking across the auditorium and then they spotted Busy in Michelle and they look to be having a great time. Always, always they were having a good time. And I was like, I was like, and I was your date that night, and I was like, I will always be your date, and I want us

always to ac up each other at these events. And I think we were sort of arguing because I think we both felt like I think we both and this is not trade, but I think we both wanted to be busy. I wanted to be busy, and I believe that I am busy and I know I am busy. And where were we? Then? Then? I swear to God, right behind us, this is the duo themselves, and I don't they didn't hear us? Did you hear? Did you hear didn't hear us? Oh? My god? Bow. First of all,

I fucking knew who you were. And I was like yeah, and I was fully eaves dropping and we were talking about yes, you were being cute. And then I was like explaining to Michelle who everyone was, Okay, we get back to our seats. We couldn't. It was it was it was bottleneck and Busy says to us, and this was huge. She goes, you guys are really killing it with those drinks. And I was like, ed, and you

know what, you want to know what I recognized. I was like, that's Mr. Energy, because I don't think you would ever say to people that you had met, you guys are killing it with those drinks. That's me. And that's saw two gay men like fucking triple fisting, like you guys are really killing it with his drinks. I wouldn't, well guess what, I would have already said it so have had you said it after me, you would have

looked like a real flop. Then the iconic thing was literally we get to our seats, it's like she sits down, then she gets called up, swoops up, gives that iconic speech. And then I turned to you. What I said, that's definitely you because you're you. You are going to be giving iconic speeches. No, no, no, come September. I feel like you. I feel like you are, I feel like you could get I feel like you have an iconic speech within No, I don't. Don't you haven't you ever?

Haven't you given? Haven't we all? She's given many. Icone know, just when I testified before Congress about abortion rights, that was that was an ICONO qualifies as iconic speech, and it made the raps. And so just suffice it to say, our guests today full blown icon that we are excited

to have on the show. You first knew her when she played the iconic Kim Kelly on Freaks and Geeks, followed up by Dawson's Creek Babe, the underrated gem of a sitcom that was Cougar Town, for which he won the Critics Choice Award for supporting actress Okay in a comedy series. We you seen her in films like White Chicks, I Feel Pretty. He's just not that into you. I mean the iconic late night show Busy Tonight and now

host the podcast Busy Phillips is doing her best. And we haven't even mentioned she's one of the quartet of our favorite show on right now, Girls five Ever, which was first season too today on everyone, Please Welcome into your ears, Busy Philips, this is the best introduction I've had on any podcast. What about awards shows? Awards shows, I feel like I don't even know what they say.

They're just it's terrible. It's always dark. And now from Dawson's Creek Michelle Williams and from Cougar Town it's like, wait, Busy, yeah, I know it's but they you know, I feel like it's always it's always a miss anytime, it's always a miss whenever you're introduced. Also, like the amount of times I've had to ask them not say actress, I just say actor like I just find like the gendering. But

then it's like, I don't know. Then it's all always weird because people like to put throw words in like activist mother. It's like, all right, everybody, come the fuck she's an activist to mother, And then they always follow it up with and that's the most important role. I mean it's not, but sure, just kidding, Wait, how are you feeling that this day? When they were, when they were when the renewal gun annown stand huge congratiating Thanks, Bo and I'm sad to learn from this podcast that

you are not a fan of yourself. He's on this show, he was so good, you were amazing. What are you fucking talking about? He did it, He did it, so this could happen. I no, no, no, not at all. I think back on the day that you that that you and I shared a scene and I was out of it. No, but but this is the thing. It's like, if you're a pro, if you're like busy Phillips level,

even if you're out of it, you show up strap throughout. Yes, no, no, no, here's because COVID times we're filming COVID and I woke up covid. This is January, January height of the girl. If she really was. Plus, I have two children who were in person school now they were like potted and they had like a whole protocol and everything. I woke up Monday morning and I was like, she came for me, like this is it. We're done, We're done, we got it. And I called production and I was like, this is

what's happening. I'm not coming in and I'm do the responsible thing, of course, but I was like I'm gonna even though by the way I could have gotten the free test at work. I was like, I'm not coming in. I'm going to go to the place here that's like the rapid PCR tests. You get your result. At that point, it was like, you get your result in an hour,

was the fastest you could do it? Um, But I'm going to tell you I'm sure I have COVID um And I was pretty much freaking the funk out, and we held the kids home from school and I went, I mean, I can't be I'm not an irresponsible person, you know what I mean? Because they felt fine, They're like this is dumb. I'm like, well, we'll see, will know in an hour. But I also did feel I felt like I've had like chronic sinus is guys is boring. But I didn't feel like this is a strep throat situation.

And then I thought, well, is COVID that is that? What that is? I don't know. I didn't have So anyway, test came back next Oh and guess who I saw? Um? Oh my cut name. Yes, on the Upper West you know, iconic fucking New Yorker and the documentary with Martin Scorsese, It's on the Straight. I swear to god. I drove. I drove up which, by the way, you know, I'm a real really bitch, and I had my car shipped here and everywhere. I love it. So I drive up to the COVID test place, get out of my car.

I was like, you gotta be fucking kidding me framly walking down the street, and I was like if I didn't think like that, I had COVID obviously and like, annoy the ship out of her. But anyway, so I was like, I'm gonna protect an icon. I'm not going to say hello. When and got the COVID test, it was negative. And then I was like, well, then I'm pretty sure I have stupped throat. And I went to this doctor that they like, I don't have any doctors

here yet, still bad move on. My My kids have pediatricians, dentists, my dog has a vet. Oh yeah, I hope everyone up and like, I'm like, I don't know where the funk I go. Actually I did get a great guy no from Michelle, so all I think, you know, so I'm that I take care of. But so the studio or the production sent me to some doctor. I went to his office. It was so bizarre. You know those studio doctors are always was one once and it was like, huh, there's like a lot of bits. It's the the offices

are wacky whacky. Was this in Gredwitch everywhere? It was right by n y U, So you know I'm talking about you know what I'm talking about. He gave me a talking to when I went for an insurance physical before North from Queens and he was just like, he's like, you know, you gotta stop smoking. I don't know what tell you. I know and I have, but he's just love the no no, but he narrated me no no, no, no no no no no no no no no. It wasn't I'm sorry busy, no, no, I it wasn't that

I was smoking. Was that I I said that? Um? I said that I have some chest pain, like uh, some chest pain. And then he was like what's this about chest pain? And I was like, oh, you know, um, I don't really have it. It's just like I just get like a chest cough every now and he was like, well, that's not what that question is asking on the forum.

So I know want you to lie on these forms because that becomes like an issue for and then he just like it was a form issue, and so he just like, but this is this is the same doctor. I think busy like dusty, yes, okay, yes, sorry, I know exactly. It is percent him and I went in and he's like, tell me what's happening. And I was like, I'm I must have strap throat. My COVID test was negative. And he's like, adults don't get strap throat. I'd be very I'd be very surprised if you get. If you have,

I'm I'm so sorry. I'm almost positive that I have strap throat. And and also I've been an adult for twenty years and I've had strep throat as an adult. What are you talking about? He cultured my way way, so he cultures my throat. And he's like, well, we'll get we'll have the results in forty eight to seventy two hours. I was like, what that long? Why would it take so long to say that was strep? That is how long it takes. Well, it does not math, it does test I've had and I've been poked and

prodded back in my throat for years and years. I used I had stripped through all the time when I was a kid, my kids pediatrician runs it in fifteen minutes. Maybe I'm not on board with this doctor anymore. Ever since it kind of took a turn of like adults don't get Strepps. No, but he like gave me and he's like, oh yeah, wow, really does look like strap

And I was like, yes, I have. So he gave me an antibiotic while we weeded for the results that I should just start taking and then and then I was like, what should I do now in any other work situation I've ever been in, and I've been on television shows since I was an infant basically, I mean nineteen Uh, if you're sick or like, say, have just

given birth, like you go immediately back to shooting. Any think if you have the stomach flu like you, they give you steroids and you go back to work like I have worked through fucking everything and wait not but you know they don't want productions. I actually think this has to do with Cleopatra, because do you guys know story with Cleopatra? With know we want to know and

the reader should know. There's an incredible article. I believe it was in Vanity Fair like in the mid nineties, maybe early odds, and it was about like the disaster of the financial ruin like the movie Cleopatra. But part of the issue was that at the time, Elizabeth Taylor declared that she would not work for the week before, the week during, or the week after her menzies, so

essentially she could only work a week every month. Yeah, it was like the days were sort of like negotiable, but it was like it was like basically like three weeks out of the month she was on avails due to her period. That's iconic. I can't I can't work when I the week before, during, and after I come exactly. Okay, hell, long was production it was? It was you have to

look up this article. It was like exorbitantly long. It ended with like the sale of half of Culver City so that they could get out of debt for the movie. It is like bonkers, like they like, who are Sony who made the movie or whatever? I think it must have been son Fox, Oh Fox, Okay, so they like basically owned all of Culver City and then had to just sell it off because of the debt of Cleopatra.

Like the movie budget was something at the time like three hundred million dollars, which like in today's market is like two billion, like you know what I mean, Like that's like that's not those aren't real numbers or math, but it was it's like fucking bonkers. It's insane. So you think that like production schedule, I think insurance stuff. Yeah,

I think it dates back to that. I think that the studios then we're just like oh, mother fuck no, and like we're putting this ship on lockdown and like you are coming to work rain or shine, and that's it. I don't know this pilot that I just did. This girl, I think it might be a scheduling thing too, because

it's so hard, especially when you're a tight schedule. This girl was having one of the worst migraines I've ever ed, and it was like it was like a night shoot, so it was like you don't want to deal with a migraine at any point, but especially when it's late at night. It was one of those things where it was like ten minutes before she could feel it coming and she's like, okay, I have to leave and get

home now. She's like some dealt with migraines, and they did have to like find a way to shoot her out because it was that bad, but like no one should have to do that, but they do, but they, but they do, like I mean they just I once on Cougar Town, Um, I had like completely thrown out my back like in a way like I don't know if you guys are pretty young, I don't know if you've ever done this, but I had also had Bertie. Like Bertie was only like a year and a half old,

and so my stomach muscles were still very weak. Apparently why you throw your back out, um or like especially like moms do. I could not get off of the floor and I was like tears streaming down my face, crying in pain, and like the prop guy gave me like a valium or something, and I or like some muscle were like a soma and I like just always the prop guy, I mean always the best, the best. Um. But no, I was in so much hand off the floor.

No I wasn't, but I I had to like rally and go do the scenes and then go laid on the floor and cry and but so anyways, it was like the shock of my life. Also, I was so sad that I missed that, like missed most of the episode on Girls. I've ever the shock of my life when production was like, due to COVID protocols, you must stay until like forty eight hours after you start taking the antibiotics or whatever. And I was like, are you

what am I supposed to do? I've never not, I've never. Yeah, that's funny that you say that, because Bowen I was texting him the whole time he was doing cause I was so excited he was doing it, and I was like, it's Busy there, and he was like, well, she's sick.

And then so in when in watching the episode, there's one part where they they cut over to like this standon who's sort of like in your visage, and it's just like this, she's seven feet tall and see it's just so funny because she's in like the like work around and you're just sort of like she was just like perched up, I like sitting on a box and you're like, is that Busy looks like the clocket knew it, o' clocket, because you had said that Busy was sick, and so

I knew that even though I was in the room. I was like, that's there. There's like there's the characters, there's Busy. There's wait, wait, I'm such a bad viewer. What's wait, wait, what's what Dawn? No, Donna is Donna Sarah Gloria as Paula summer summer, summer you free summer in summer in calvs summer. And I was going through that one scene and then I just I just remember thinking, I'm sucking this up. I'm sucking this up. I'm sucking

this up. Like I'm just like no, no, no, this is We're just bringing this back to like the day that I worked with Busy, feeling like I was like, I'm not doing a good job, but this is that's just me that we don't we don't have to unpack this. I am like gonna figure it out by the time I like go back to work. It's it's fine, it's fine. I had a lot of I felt weird that day. I was nervous because I had been away from work

and I felt so insecure about that. And then I was like sort of just I felt I hadn't really eaten anything in many many days, definitely hadn't had any alcohol in like six days. I was very skinny. Guys, that one scene just f I have to say, my COVID, my COVID day has has been tough. It's been tough. It's been tough for all of us. Yeah, I think I think that's why we're so We opened the show today being fixated on like, Okay, gotta get ready for Fireland.

I was listening to that obviously. I was sitting here absorbing the moment and I and I feel like it's just the last frontier, isn't it Just like letting, letting it can go, and like being like, this is it. I love it. I'm healthy, I love I love it when I see it on other people. But we're not there. Just it's hard to get there inside your own head. And then I always I remind myself, and I think this is such a good thing for everyone to remind themselves.

Just no one is thinking about you as much as you are ever ever, except if you're famous. Thought that's not true. So sometimes I'm like, I look like ship, and then somebody tweets me like it's not busy Phillips that hugoes. She looked like ship, you know, And then you're like, well, you didn't have to tag me, you know what I mean? The tag is always a huge question mark from me. I'm like, why if you wanted to hate me, you could have done that in private.

I really didn't need to know. I don't know who it helps. I mean it helps them because it gets your attention. That's the kicker, isn't it. I think this is a particular summer during which people are extra are thoughtful about just um great. It's so you're re emerging

from a cocoon. You want to look good, and you want to pretend like you were one of those people that was like I spent the whole time working on me and getting better and like losing forty pounds, and really you're like I spent the whole time eating tates and drinking bottles of rose at night. Like, well, that's just my experience. I can't project for you, but you know, I think it's like a little bit. People feel this this pressure of of re emerging looking better than ever.

But I never had looked better ever in my life. It is the hottest I've ever fucking been in February. Wait, oh so like right before, yeah, I was the best my body, my body. I literally this is not a joke. Like in early March, I remember looking in the mirror and I was like that's what you always wanted. You like, that's it. I was like, you look great, you look great. Talk about this, talk about this moment because I want I want you to look bottle this, Bottle this up.

What was the what was the reason for it? What made you think? What made you satisfy? Because this is the thing that I think. I'm always looking in the mirror, boy so, and I always about you think like I don't know. It just was like it all came together. I just was looking great. I had been working out so much and like, but it was like I had like let so much food stuff go, like in terms of I threw my scales out like a couple of months earlier, and then like I just felt all this freedom.

And I was like still eating nachos at Petty Cash on Monday nights and still like feeling like I was like, I was like I've turned into like Cameron Diaz of nine, where I'm like I'm eating a burger. But I looked like this, like I just had this thing, and I was like, this is it. It's what you've always wanted. It's balanced. Like I didn't fucking I wasn't like like having sugar craving, like stuffing my face was. I wasn't binging binging binging, so but like, you know, not in

a way where I would purge. Just I would go through periods of time in my life since I was a young actor first told to lose weight, where um, young act orror who's a woman in this industry who was told to lose weight? Um, that I would like go through periods of time where I'd be really really really strict and regimented and be like, um, still just like a normal sized person, you know what I mean. And then I would like fall off the wagon and binge and then whatever. And then I had my kids

and I was like I can't continue this. This is fucked for them because they're, um, well I have like a little girl and then my non binary teen. Um but still like body issues or body issues like you guys are proof that it doesn't it doesn't matter your gender. Um. So yeah, Like I just was trying to get a handle on it for many years and like I was like, I did it, and then my body, my body never

looked better, and then I sank into it. So I'm curious because for me, for me, it was immediate, like when they told us we were going home from work and that we wouldn't be back for even two weeks. I remember it. For me, it was immediate. I think

I said right away. I was like, oh, unfortunately, I'm gonna let myself go because there was those people that were in my ear sort of saying like, hey, just so you know, it might also be a very long time, and I was like, I'm not willing to believe that, but I am going to enjoy in any way that I can, this like time at home. I'm going to comfort myself from the horrors of what's going out there with. I'm gonna be eating pizza while I'm sitting here binging.

I'll say again, thirty one seasons of Survivor. So that's the whole thing. Well, there's forty and there's like nine flop seasons that I didn't watch, so I watched all the good ones good quote unquote, and so during that time, it was like cheeseburgers, pizza. You want to know a story about Jeff Probest. Obviously, um, Jeff Prost Probest is the nicest, sweetest and uh, he's married to a friend of mine and our kids all used to go to

the same school in Los Angeles. Although Lisa's kids are older, his wife's kids are are are a bit older than my kids. But we would often end up on spring break at the exact same time in the same place, like at this and uh. And I've known Lisa for a long time because before she was married to Jeff Probest I mean, I mean a long time, like her best friend forever is a is a woman that I was friends with, like through acting or whatever. So I've

known his wife for a long time. So anyway, so we would like hang out on vacation on spring break and at this resort that we, you know, would see each other at like l A l A springbreak vibes. Yeah, he would hold for the kids that there is of art. He would do for for free, I mean for fun, just for fun. He would do a full survivor home like day for the kids, like staying at the place

in Hawaii. When you get ready, it was cut. It was just like the cutest, nicest he just was Like first of all, it was like the greatest step dad that I've ever seen. A look all of it. Yeah, your hat still was was he was he in the look like even though he was on vacation. Did he at least bring like the look like was he in his denim sort of cargo pants? Like yeah, kind of, yeah, a little bit. I mean he's like maybe a little bit cooler like life like like, but he's definitely like

hot dad vibes. Yeah, sure, like he It was just like the first year because it was years that we would see them on spring break and the first year where I was like, wait, wait, so where is he going? And she's like, oh, he does this thing or he does survivor for the kids staying here, and it's just like, you know, I was like, are you fucking kidding me? That's the greatest thing ever heard in my life? Like

that sweet? Oh those kids are going to look back on that and have a good memory that he was very sweet and like all the kids, Like Cricket when she first met him was probably I mean like two and a half or something like that, my little one who's now almost eight, and she just always was like who's like she just loved him. Um, he's very lovable. That that's like, that's like like you find out that the Santa that came to your house to play Santa

was the real Santa Santa. Yeah sure anyway, yeah, I was saying like it for me, the COVID thing was like it was immediate. I was like, no, I'm meaning whatever I want now. It was my my comfort food and survivor was it was. It happened immediately I got me.

I was like, I wake up every morning at six, I work out, I shower and then put on a full outfit and make up if I feel like I was living in And then I was like and then we start school and I'm a teacher now, and that like it was such a crazy was such a slow burn for me, like where all of a sudden, I was like, oh, I have four thousand emails I haven't returned, and but like my kids nailing their project for the building the rainbow out of household objects that we have

to take a picture of and upload to this website that the school like just came up with like two and a half seconds ago, so that we can like track their things. And then I have to teach her how to multiply numbers, and like it was truly a wild journey. But my my spiral in terms of like oh I'm fucking done happened in June, I would say.

In June, I was like, that was when it was hardest for me, because that was when it really sank in that this was like, yeah, well we had our when when LA started to like kind of open back up again, our kids like nanny who this is is this relatable content our child kiss nanny who we had obviously paid to stay home for those three months, like the quarantine three months. And then like, by the way, at like a school zoom meeting, we find out like

people are asking questions about their babysitters and childcare. And I was like, what people are start coming and working in your what the fuck I had? I was like, everybody, I obviously I work, Mark works, we have two children. Um, I had like a housekeeper that came twice a week, and I had our kids like longtime nanny and both of them. I was like, and and by the way, my assistant Raymond, who like whatever, I was like, everybody stay at home, and I continue to pay you and

don't fucking come to the threshold. Do not even come near us. And I we were doing it all ourselves, like for a second, one second, in the very beginning of the pandemic, I said I called Casey and I was like, let's just start doing like a version of Busy tonight, but like from my house and like we can just do and it was so fun and it'll be like like on zoom we can just like or not zoom on Instagram live or whatever and we'll just like post. It would be so fun, you guys. I was.

That was like I literally was like crying under a pile of laundry, two kids, so many dishes, and I was like, this is I can't do this. This is insane. I'm not that's insane. The teacher that the having to be a teacher of it all that was a horror that. I mean, me having a bad time is just like it was so I didn't have any responsibilities really to have children and then to have to teach them, and then you have to realize, like how difficult all that. It is, Like the math that they learned fun out.

But by the way, my kids like for like like crickets school was teaching it was Singapore math, which is like a kind of math we don't know because we were not taught. But it's about number bonding. What yeah, I mean, it's it's about number bonding and it's that's as you guys, that's as much as I know. I swear god, that is literally and I was like, do I need to take a crash course in Singapore? Mouth like, I don't fucking know how to do this. This is insane.

My older kid, Birdie like weirdly was this is I mean talk about like fucking making lemon made out of lemons? Oh, you guys, my older child, Bertie had been this is it's actually not funny at all. But my older kid, but my older kid, Bertie had been bullied so horribly in the school that they were in when they came out at or at age ten, and it was just

like a fucking nightmare. And so it got to a really on and the school handled it poorly, and I got the l g pt Q Center involved in l A and it was just like I was talking to lawyers and they were like, well, that's what you get when you go to private school school. You have no recourse in blah blah blah blah blah. And I was just like and so literally two weeks before the pandemic happened,

like officially was called they called it um. When they called it um, we had or two two and a half weeks, we had pulled Bertie out of school and had set them up with these like tutors that we're incredible. But because basically I said to the school, like, you have two choices. You're gonna let my child finish with private twouters or I'm going to like be on the cover of People magazine. Um And also, by the way, I didn't want to find There was no fucking way

I wanted to do that. Like I didn't want to I wasn't ever going to do that. By the way, I was never going to just f y I but I was never going to do But I just was like, you have to let us go, and you have to like let us finish the school year without you and without them being subjected to this fucking torture. And um so they had agreed to that. So we have these private tutors that were like already set up tutoring Bertie.

So then when the pandemic happened, and it's like through this company that does this for kids who either like are they like professional kids they like work with actors or sports players, or when kids are in crisis like was in our case, and like needed to get the

you know out um. But so then when the pandem it happened, Bernie had like this schedule with these it was all set up online already to go because they have like kids that travel for work, and they like didn't miss a beat and literally it was like we

didn't have to do anything. It was so seamless and Bernie just like faced all of the classes and had the greatest like was literally you guys when I mean when like George Floyd was murdered, then Bernie was talking to their English teacher about it, and the English teacher was like, I'm going to change the curriculum for the rest of the year and we're going to read um Chained and like this book and this book, and then we're gonna like talk about it. Was I was like, Oh,

this is what's wrong with education in America. It's not like it's not adaptable and it's not tailored to children's actual needs. It's just like a one size fits all situation. Even if you are paying for it. It fucking sucks. Um, I know, but that thing is for habitively expensive like what we were doing at the time, And it was only because I was like I don't care if I like go into credit card debt. I just have to make sure this person is okay um. And so anyway,

so they did like killed it. They like did great during school at the end of that thing. And the point being I got to June and they finished school and I collapsed, Rose and Tates took over my life

and I just have never looked back. And then even for like when I was a little bit on the show, I was like, maybe I should try to know, but maybe wearing these like outfits and ship and I'm just like, well, oh no. And also I did want so I was moving to New York, like kind of a huge fucking deal for you because there l a I am LA through and through at home, but the whole family was

you marked the kids. Yeah, well basically, like I said, we'd had some trauma and I and I actually think, like I don't want to cry, but I actually do think that like for Bertie that it is like, you know, it's like big tea trauma like for what they experienced when they were coming out, and and so it was hard there, and like it's hard living with ghosts, and it's hard living in a place where like everything reminds you of a thing that you went through and came

and then um, and there were some other extenuating circumstances from my personal life, UM that I don't want to get into you, but that's you know, and uh and then those and then the fires started last summer, like the end of the summer, and I couldn't breathe and I just had like a like a bird flying away before an earthquake or something. I just like turned to Mark and was like, we have to get the funk

out of here, like right now. And you know, we flew with the kids and the dog and like a bunch of stuff to New York and we were only supposed to be here for three weeks. We're like, we're just gonna let things simmer down cool and in those three weeks. I also you have to remember, like fall before the election, it was it was I I left l A two at that time. It was and it was like being being in the city when the fires were happening and everything was happening. You felt like you

couldn't go anywhere. And I remember what what you were, what you were going through with your family, Like I can't even imagine that was real tough. It was really tough. And then and also like I was so terrified that Trump was going to get reelected that I was like, we have to be close to a Canadian border. Like I was like thinking in terms of like how am I going to survive and apocalypse, Like I like bought property in the middle of no you know what I mean,

Like I went, I WENTZ. It's like I like doom. I went like full doom step I support, I support, and I was just like just in case, we've got it, like you know. Then and then like week two, Tina Fey literally texted me and was like I have I was gonna question, Oh my god, wow, because I had heard about the show while the room was happening with like our friend Matt Whitaker. But then so sweet and also it's the best handwriting I've ever seen. He's like

a he's like a font. He's like, yeah, he's amazing. But he but the new you guys moved to New York sort of I didn't even Owen wasn't even on my writer. I didn't know about the show. Oh my god. And then not not only that, but like not for it to be just like any job, but like the great job. You deserve it. Oh, you deserve it. No,

you are the best. And you know what, I always every time, every time you have like a great project or a great or a great opportunity, I'm always like, I I just I'm like so excited that this is a second season and you get to be like so great on it, and I just feel like all the way going back to like obviously freaking geeks, like I love that show when it was on, and like just knowing how fucking funny you were on Cougar Town, I was just like I was like, and then I loved

the Late night show. I mean, I just I'm such a fan. I always root for you and like just so that this happened and that that it came together after such a fucked moment. But all of this for a people illustrate, but all of this really illustrates how you probably are so fucking resourceful, because I would have

never I don't know. I'm I'm staying at my sister's right now, and I'm like looking around at my nieces and my and my mom, who's also like tired from like just like making sure they're okay, and like make sure they don't die. Second to sex that, I'm like, I could never be a parent and do what I'm doing. That I could never. I could never do it. And maybe someday it's the hardest thing I could possibly think of.

I don't know. It's shockingly fucking hard. It's like so hard that you're like, no, no, no, parenting is hard. I get it. And then you're in it, like yeah, oh, I would kill myself, but I can't because I'm a parent, Like, I can't actually fucking do that. That's not an option because I gotta stay. That's rule of culture number forty nine. I would kill kill myself, but because I'm a parent, it's like it is so hard and it's so funny too, because I had Bertie when I was fairly young for

l a New York standards. Um it was twenty eight, and it was because of the writer's strike that was happening, not even a joke. I literally was like, I'm probably not gonna work for a year, may as well just like have this baby now, and got pregnant immediately. Um, because I also am like, if you look at me the wrong way, I'm pregnant. Uh. And and Bertie showed up. So I was like twenty nine years old, had this baby. I got cast in Cougar Town when Bertie was six

and a half months old. The pie did the pilot. And you know, I now have almost thirteen year old child who's fucking First of all, you guys have no idea about this generation. They are truly wild. Here's what I'm gonna say to you. They do not care if they smell. They don't care if they have hair. Okay, I care if they smell, though, no not I do too, And and I'm here to tell you they don't give a fuck not a hair. They don't brush your fucking teeth,

they don't fish your hair. You know, he's not. It's really not my experience with my teens friends and my teen they are It is like an evolution or something of men. It is like that body stuff that we talked about earlier. We all have ingrained in us, do it. No? I don't think so, and I literally don't think so. Unbelievable. I mean certain kids, I mean, these kids, like these kids of this this version awareness, kids of the awareness

I mean. Okay, So, for instance, so my child obviously knew they were gay when they were ten years old. Came out to me and like, honestly, I know I've read the books that not supposed to say this, but like not a surprise to me, you know what I mean, like supposed to be their own journey and autonomy and all that. But like obviously I was like duh so um. But that being said, like just like the whole awareness

and knowledge of all of the things. A friend of mine is on the board at the lgbt Q Center in Los Angeles, which is like honestly one of the greatest places on earth. They are doing such incredible work there. Every day, teenagers, children, children fucking show up on their doorstep. They had to build an entire wing for kids, like because they show up and they're like, I have nowhere else, you know, I bought this bus ticket. I had nowhere else to go. Um, my friend is on the board there.

Bertie had this like genius idea for a fundraise, Like not a fundraise, I but like a like a charity. Charity sounds weird. I don't even like charity anymore, but like just an idea of they saw how much like ship I was getting sent by brands and stuff that I wasn't using the products and like makeup and nail polish and ship and Bertie was like, you know, the trans teens at the lgbt Q Center should like be able to have some nice stuff too, Like they deserve

Charlotte Tillbury. They don't they you know, they shouldn't just have to go to CBS. And I was like, give the teens doctor Sturm. Give these teens doctor Sturm, and okay, Bertie, okay.

So Bertie started collecting from like wrote this little letter and I sent it out to like some friends and like influencer type humans that I'm friends with, and started collecting all this makeup and we donated it to the teens at the lgbt Q Center for Pride last year, even though COVID but um, it was like four billion boxes and like part of the thing was like I was like, you have to organize it, Bertie into lake types of makeup and like I just was like I

kind of just like made them do more work than you know, whatever. So we dropped it off and my friend Kareem, who's like a board member there, gave us it was like we're going to do a tour with the president whatever. So we like we're walking around and Bertie was like pointing out flags and like pointing out things, and Kareem was like, um, yeah, I don't even I don't know what that one is. I am. I am learning things on this tour. And I was like, yeah,

they know fucking everything. I don't know if it's TikTok or fucking twitch or what TikTok is teaching everyone teaching children. I'm off of it. I'm not on it, but sure I do have to watch it sometimes. But that are you saying that they are learning things at the expense? Well, I feel like, do they do do these? Do they not care about how each other? How? How how other people smell? Is that I have no way of phrasing this. Well,

but it's like they don't care how they smelled? Do they care about what was important to the older generations? Is just not important to them? You want to know why because they are right and the fact that we didn't do a great job of keeping the world going. If honestly, if I get it, I get it because if I'm gen Z and I'm looking at older people, I'm like, you're gonna tell me fuck you. But also

like that's the whole thing. I mean, not not the whole thing, part of the thing I think with with like dismantling the binary and like the non binary of this general of their generation, which is just that like, guys, guess what, none of this fucking matters, Like you're actually focused on all the wrong ship like the way that you smell on things that you buy to like embellish this thing, this shell that you exist inside of. And by the way, this shell that you exist inside of

like doesn't matter either, Like let's move on. There are other things that we need to like worry about. Now. That's not to say that like there are not kids of their generation that I see or just like doing TikTok's where they're like trying to look hot and they're like vaping. I I don't know, but I do think that there is Like did you guys ever hear the term indigo children when you were young? They're just like their children that are like born with a higher consciousness.

They're just like sort of like born in a different way. And like maybe I don't know. Sometimes I think about like the neurodivergent movement and like how that also really has a lot to do with the younger generation as well, and like how those neurodivergent kids are like maybe that is the fucking next evolution, right, and like they're sort of operating and existing on a different plane where they can like, you know, you think about Greta thorn Thornburgh.

Why did I just say her name like that? I know, I know, but I said it like with an accent, Like that's not you know what I mean? You know what? Maybe, but my kids still get mad at me when I say Hawaii. So let's be real, Well, well they're just my mom. Yeah, my mom lived in Hawaii. Kind it is Hawaii, but my mother lived in Hawaii, uh, like after she and my dad got married because he was

in the Navy and he was stationed there. And so I always grew up saying Hawaii because my mother, like she just had a very theatrical way of it was the text on the page anyway, So I've always said it that way. But then at some point Bernie was like, why do you say Hawaii like that? Like you're not from Hawaii, Mom, You're not supposed to say it like that. I was like, well, it is how you're supposed to say it. That's very cute that they that that that

Bertie's you know, kind of grilling you. He calls me out on everything please, But it's just like it's like it's like an exchange didn't coming back saying like barth alone, It's like, fine, it's what I let that Hopkins. Wow, to have to have a child that you are like intellectually not sure if you're on their level, it's that didn't happened to me. And you know what, Matt Rodgers,

it's exhausting. Yeah. Like when I was in my late my dad always told me I know everything and I have like a long island dad, like I have a long Island sports dad. And he would tell me. One time, I was like, I wonder who I should ask this question? Like I said out loud, like I have a question. I wonder who I should ask When I was little, and my dad turned to me and he said, you always ask me every question. I know everything, And I

remember being like, okay, I'm gonna internalize that. So there was like a couple of decades where I was like, my dad knows everything. My dad knows everything. If he says something, it's right, and that like confused me because he is, as I found out as an adult, a

human being who is not always right. But that's a very that's a very baby boomer parent way of doing things, you know what I mean, Like, it's so it's it's it's kind of fascinating that things have swung so far to the other side because it's like, um, now it's just all about communication and sharing perspective because at that

time when I was the millennials parents. But by the way, let's just let's just say the millennials parents, they did not They did the opposite where they were like helicoptering and like doing everything for them. But are you a millennial? I mean they're we're all, we're a millennial. I think you were my age me. I'm no, no, no, no, no, I wasn't horrid, but at all, I'm I'm a thirty one year old man. Wait what yeah? Did you think I was? That's so funny to me. No, I thought

I'd googled you. It's a different different mad rogers googled you earlier today and I was like, you're you're the same age as me. And then today I was just like, looks fucking amazing. I was like so happy for so now this makes way more Now, it makes way more sense what had happened. I think you stumbled upon the American Idol contestant Matt Rodgers. Okay, yeah, oh, and you know that ruined my life when I was that age, and I was like, because all I wanted wanted to

do when I was twelve American Idol. And then when I saw that Matt Rogers, the American and a contestant has already already taken that niche, I was like, well, fuck now I can never be on American Idol or else. The storyline is going to be you have our secondary Rogers old, yeah, I got you now. Um, this is definitely not who I googled earlier. And it's completely fun because you know what, again, it's the fault of my

father for Namy Matt Rogers. We're dragging Rich Rogers today because you know what, Rich, you should have done better. Why wasn't something? No, he's the best. Well, it's funny because I think I think over time he realized he didn't know everything. But I definitely think at the time when he told me that he thought he knew everything. It's so funny. The shock that's enveloping you as you've realized I'm not that one person. I was like, you were born in seventy eight year a year older than me.

And then I'm like, this makes so much more sense. I'm almost like I'm embarrassed by myself in this moment, Like I can't tell you, but you don't have to google. This is how I knew. I knew that she didn't know who I was. At the Emmy's Bowen. You were like trying to gas me. You were like and she said she saw I'm like that when you were said, she said, I saw you with Matt. Yeah I did, Yeah I did, Matt. I did. Hey, Matt, can you just you know what, I'm gonna ask you to hold

multiple things being true at one. Okay, yes, yes, number one. Here's the thing that I need you to hold, like I'm also a professional bitch, and like I had to google like a Wikipedia tonight when I was coming when I was like coming on the show literally minutes ago, I mean no, right before I pressed like joined the right before I just was like just a real quick refresh, just a real quick and I just literally saw seventy eight and I was like okay, seventy, I got that's funny.

I didn't realize that wild. This is why I needed This is why I finally need a Wikipedia, because I have enough things now where I could get my own. Because people are confused that basically just googled you, and the SEO of the search and the search engine optimization is tipping in your favor now because now your name is coming your Matt Rodgers is coming up, your entry is coming up more. One of these days, your IMDb came up first. Well, we love that, but I hate IMDb.

And also I was like, I know his IMDb. I don't need that. I want Wikipeda. I want to know where he's from. Rolled down and pitch Pigeon Forge I hit, and I hit the Rancho Cucamanda, and I was like, also wilds like a wild Okay, I swear that this is oh my god, wait and now I see this

Matt Rogers is and this is definitely not you. It's actually so funny how few things we have in common, except potentially him being on American Idol and me at a young age wanting to be that's sort of and you know what else, there's a candidate for office name Matt Rogers and he his his Twitter handle is at Polito Dope and like he constantly gets like all the traffic. I'm just named something that approximately a hundred thousand other people are named, and that's just a burden I carry.

I'm not a busy Phillips, That's true. Do you ever think about changing it? I did think about changing it. I almost changed it. And this is gonna God, the readers are going to drag me for this one. I almost changed it to Mac Rogers and they see Rogers. Wow, I've never told yeah, because I thought, like, I'll still be able to I was like be able to respond to it, like because I didn't want to create like a big name when I was already like a right, you're right, this is actually I just I wanted to

be able to respond to it. Like if people were like this hard am in a hardy am in a hard a like Mac, I could still do that. But then I was like, I can't possibly be named Mac, like there's not a goddamn wife. And so I continue to live my life as Matt Rogers, and I always sort of stick to the thing of like it's okay if a million people are named this because one day

they will be able to distinguish me. One day they will and um and I can and I do accept for my failing earlier this evening, when I just like Lakely, was scrolling but also there I wasn't in college. There was this kid whose name was Matt, and like, junior year, not freshman year, junior year, decided to go by Kevin, decided to That's what I'm saying. He went to Matt to Kevin, and then we were all so fucking confused, and when you would reference him, you would just be

you know, Kevin, Matt, Matt, Kevin. It's like going from Ryan to Chris. It's like, okay, cool, wild, Well anyway, that's insane. We okay, but wait, we have to ask the question. We are we are? We are sort of flying through this episode at a joyous and sort of raucous pace, but we have to know, well, this is a love fast and you'll come back. But Busy, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? Bowen? Do you want to sort of elaborate on the question.

You don't have to, I know, I listened to the podcast. Okay, alright, Busy, the culture that made you say culture is for you. People mag People. My mother was a subscriber since the eight like early eighties, guys. I was one in seventy nine, and I would devour every issue and I just I mean, People mag to me was everything. I mean, that was celet found out what was going on, everything everything. I earlier tonight was actually thinking about this question, and I

was like, was it bos Lerman's Romeo and Juliet was it? Sure? It could have been, could have been, But if I'm being honest, it was People mag. It was Ryan White on the cover. It was like, fucking I can't cover No. I read every fucking People Magazine. My my mom may still have a subscription. I don't know. I know that I subscribe personally to People mag online. Still still supports but star tracks Revolutionary. Yeah, so wait, favorite issues? I mean was the sexiest men Alive Issues sort of a

big moment, People's most Beautiful? Like what what were favorite events? I mean I did love, I did love the most Beautiful. I never, like was super down with the sexiest because it's like not my vibe. Like I'm never on board with like a Hugh Jackman person. Yeah, I don't usually agree. Like, remember a few years ago, who do they pick you? When they picked Blake Shelton, I was like what people

people were like, what's this for? And also like I'm not saying he should have been who they picked, but like he sits next to Adam Levin every week, you're going to say that's the sexiest man alive. Like I see someone more attractive that he sits next to Matt. You like Adam because he like favors you more. What why are you saying you're like more of an Adam Levine type. Sure, yeah, some people are. Some people's types of Blake Shelton will give them that. I mean, you

know I did. I did work with someone who said, no, not Gwyneth. What's her name is a Gwyneth? I think she's Gwen. I worked with someone on Hotdog who was a producer on the Voice, and I asked one time, I was like, what's the you And she said to me, you know what in person? You get it? You wait full confession. So I actually I have known I have known Adam Living for a really long time and and the first season of the Voice, I don't remember why or what. I don't even remember what was happening. We

went over to Adam's house at the time. He was like, hey, guys, come over, we're having this like some people over to watch the finale um And so we went and Blake was there and he was sitting on his table in the backyard and he and I were chatting, and I did fucking get it. I fully in person, you get it. So people don't just ends like there's got to be that yeah, very sparkly, very magnetic and like real funny

and real real cute and real like. And the the thing is is, like, I mean, I don't know if he's a narcissist, but he had the thing that people that I have known who are narcissists have where when they look at you, you feel as though the entire world falls away, honey, honey. So it's a it's an

external thing. It's an externalizing when when a narcissist turns their focus on you for however long it is, it's almost as if like in a cartoons, Yes, the entire rest of the world falls away, and it's like all like sparkles and you're just like locked into this moment because they're so like their gaze on you shining their light, which is why when it is like being in ak hole.

You guys, I was a teenager in the nineties. I went to so many raves her so, which is why when a narcissist then takes their light away, it is freezing cold. It is just killed me. You just like logged in the reason why I haven't been able to get over this guy, Matt. There's this guy that is ruining my life because of his influence on Bowen, and I just keep trying to and that's what's what it is. And and Blake, and this is the Blake Shelton. I don't know. I just I just know I felt that

a little bit with Blake. I don't know, this is what I'm saying. I don't know. I cannot I can't say that he is that confirmed. I have had I have had experiences and relationships, both romantic and non romantic, with narcissists, and I know that feeling. And I remember meeting Mr Shelton in that backyard for ten fucking minutes and being like, it's the feeling. Yeah, it's the feeling. Oh no, it's so cold when he looks away. This is interesting, Okay. I have two things older than you.

I have so many things. You know, what do you mean? This is? This is perfect? Okay? Well I knew was that the way you said when you said Ryan White issue, I was right there with you? Maybe I was, and I just did forgot. The first thing I want to talk about is like people was kind of the only game in town besides entertainment tonight. But like it didn't Maybe no, but not when I was not when I was not when I was coming up late nineties or mid nineties, right, I don't have the time quite right,

But people, people was it? People was classy. Also there was always like there was always like also you know what um like Long Island? Lolita was like the guy who did nose job, the guy who did my nose job. Did the woman who mar the guy who did my nose and busy. I want to say, not that this matters, but I medically needed to get it done. So I've got a medically medically necessary nose job. Non elective guy,

non elective. The guy who did my surgery put Mary Joe's face back together, okay, and did a great job. You know what, look for everyone, for everyone. That's a beautiful nose. Thank you so much. But I had to. I had to. I had to. I had to jump in there. No, that was like that was like a great cover. That was a great People cover. I mean all of them, liszt Liz Taylor, like just sucking. Every single one was gay people. Yep, I'm gay with people.

Time for entertainment. Time, it was time. It was time a time, it was time. Was like this like this right with the hands out yeah, shrug emoji. No, yeah, I'm cruel just like wait and then and then I've never been nice to me. But okay, I have a question. I have a question about people, Busy. Was it bizarre when you happened upon yourself and a People magazine? Know what was to change your relationship? Okay, go no, no, no, no,

about one. I was thrilled. It was the thrill of my fucking life when I made it finally into a People mag Um. I was devastated, devastated when my book came out. Um, I read a book, yeah, yep. And when my book came out, I was devastated that the only publication that was so reductive. In their five bombshells from Busy Phillips new memoir with People mag so devastated that I wrote a letter to Jess Cagel was Yeah, Jess,

I was so fucking hurt. I was like, guys, of all the public I have literally read your mag since I was eight years old. That's not hyperbolic, that is a legitimate fact. I have like like every plane crash on the cover, every like child murdered, every fucking celebrity wedding, non story. You guys have no idea. I've been scriber and a susporter, literal reader, literal reader since I was a child, and of all the publication, of all the fucking publications to do the thing that I so was

so terrified would happen when I wrote a memoir. It was people and god damn it, how dare you? Like, I was so fucking mad, just tab the tab the stuff that was like more like Franco pushed her to the ground and then like literally like in bold letters, like she had an abortion at fifteen. Like I was just like, how are you fucking doing this? This is you guys, are legit. I would expect I would expect

this from US Weekly. I never expect I never saw it coming from Is that what you said in the letter expect I was bad when US Weekly kind of kind of stomped to the forefront like they were like the the the one of record there for like a couple of years, and they really made a hard left into tabloid. I was so disappointed because it really did become like one of those like what is the what a Frank asked me was like is Tom Cruise dead? It really genuinely became like one of those people that

was like Jennef Radisson, three tits and divorced again. It's just like what are you talking about it? But it became like that, and I was so mad because I loved fashion Police. It was it was my fashion Police, some of my first exposure to American comedy because we just moved from Canada. Yeah, we had a subscription for US to Weekly from the from the previous and then we would just flipped to like Joan Rivers talking about like you know what what you know Janet Jackson wore

or whatever the hell? Like literally that whenever anyone was wearing like a feather ensemble, there was, without fail, there was a joke that was like how many muppets did you have to kill to make this? My general ask would think that was so funny that make a garment. I thought that was the funniest ship ever. And I would roll. I was. I was in Fashion Police a couple of times. No featured deserve tis probably Yeah, I'm sure, look at me. I love a bold print. You know

what I mean? Right now, print you take a big swing. But Joan was amazing and she was nice. And I went on Fashion Police on E like when it was on yeah, oh yeah, years like, and I sat in Joan's lap and she was a delight And actually I just had this reading from a medium, um and my yeah, it's gonna be on my podcast later, like we recorded it for the podcast because Casey saint On she's my partner. She was my show We're aren busy tonight. You know,

she wrote for Joan years. She wrote like jokes for her and would write write like like punch up things for her. Whatever. They were good friends. And Joan came through on the reading. She when is that one coming up? I don't know. We have to figure it out because because we did this, like she did this thing with the medium, which was fucking us. This medium was fucking wild before well, honey, like I said, I'm a real l a bitch. I've done everything, you know what I mean,

Like like it's like we've gone through the journey. I have so many crystals on and I'm like constantly calling

in the spirits whatever. But um, this medium was unreal and had things that were like there's no it's not google able, like my The whole reason why we even, like how I even got in touch with her was that Shintira Jackson, who's a writer I don't know, so she and Tira who's having her reading with her, and my fucking grandma came through in the reading and was like and she and here this is like she and

Tire and night like we text we you know. She we're not doing the podcast together anymore because she's like working on Big Mouth and she's just like I'm overwhelmed and I need to focus on this. I'm like, great, live your life. Um she really is. And she texted me out of nowhere. This is so random, But I was having a reading with a medium and this old lady came through a grandma with my grandma, and she said that her granddaughter was elizab Busy. Elizab Busy and

she has a tattoo on her foot. Do you have a tattoo on your foot? And I was like, yes, bitch, I have a tattoo on my line. And here's the kicker Elizabeth is and here's the kicker. My grandma never called me busy. She only called me Lila Bett, which is weirdly like the new name of the Harry and Megan baby Lila, Bet, elizabeths and bet like. She refused to call me busy, but she would call me like these other weird nicknames. And so she fucking came through.

So I was like, well, this is wild. I gotta talk to this lady. So she and Tira put me in touch with the medium and then we had this and I was like, can my producer Casey come and can we record it for my podcast? And then we did and it was wild and the medium was like doing here's the things. Well, Joan fully came through. Here's the thing that I'm trying, Like that is so hard

to in part how it's not google herble. She was doing um body movements that my grandmother did, like like like really specific movements like that my grandma did too. Like my grandma would do these like little like damp step things that I've never fucking I mean, it's just like a weird thing that she would do when I was a little kid and she was my grandma. And this lady fully fucking did them on the zoom and I was like, I'm so sorry, what are you doing?

Guys ready for this fucking bullshit. At two hours after we record this session with this lady, I'm downstairs. My younger one Cricket, comes downstairs. She's seven, she'll be eight in July, and she's like, Mom, you want to see the dance I just came up with and does the same fucking my grandma did that. This lady, this medium did on the zooms. I was like, I'm just way busy. I'm on Bang, I'm on Bang, and I just I just bing busy Phillips grandma dance and it's the first result.

It's not the fu I was like, God, Matt crazy, That's how I know on you too, because I am the one that's like I fully buy into all of it. Like do you ever watch I say, well, you were not into astrology until we started talking about it, Okay, but do you ever have you ever been on away from the Mike he's like very recently. Okay, but have you ever been on or do you watch Tyler Hamring Hollywood Media? Okay, what I call tink. He wanted, he wanted to, he wanted me to be on his chef.

You have to, I said. I said, no, I couldn't because Matt, because I've had because I've had a famous friend die, and I'm just like, I don't want the whole show to be like about Heath Ledgers, Like I just can't and I can't do that to Heath and I can't do that to my God. I can't do this mission. I can't do So that's why I've always said, now you must continue to say I will but in but in the privacy of your own medium home like

go off. She had were so many people that showed up and it was fucking wild and she was incredible, but like it was a pretty crazy night for information. Yeah, I'm trying to get let's get let's let's get her on the pud. You should get her too, and then she that's Tyler like whatever, Well we well we just copped this idea straight from your podcast. But I mean, my podcast is so much less successful than this one. I don't probably better than us for sure. I wait,

didn't wait, I don't know how podcast. Okay, your guests are like Tina Fey, like Tina, it's just friends. It's just people that I know, like you know, the people, you know, the coolest people. Okay, the people thing when they were rejective about your book, I mean, because you would already known at that point that like entertainment media is like mostly hollow. It was my biggest fear though,

in writing a memoir. It was my biggest fear because of course I was like, I'm gonna do it, and I'm gonna name names because fuck it when people don't and I am. And then part two is that I hate reading people's memoirs where they were like I don't know why I ended up like fucked in the head and then an actor. But here we are like I'm funny, Like it's like you're where's the chunk of the part where you like had the trauma, Like what's that? It's

the only thing that's interesting to me. Our origin stories, you know what I mean, and like they all build upon each other building blocks, right, So I wanted to do it in the way that was like the most truthful way I could do it. But my biggest fear was being reduced to like celebrity gossip um because I actually also you know, have a certain amount of um hubre us and I think I'm a better fucking writer than that, and like and I and I'm just like, well,

I reject that because I'm actually smarter. You know. Then you're both just totally and to see to see a publication like people that you've loved your whole life was exactly and I was just like, fuck you, I'm not Tori spelling like blessed, like I love but like also like I wrote this book myself and I think it's

really good and I like it. And I told a lot of deeply personal stories that were like very meaningful and also revealed a lot of actual tal like actual fucking trauma in my life and like for it to be to reduce to like she was raped at fifteen, she had an abortion, or at fourteen, she had abortion at fifteen, I was like, fuck you guys, Like that's all I am to you, Like, that's all I am is just like a lady that you can put a fucking sidebar on where you like list the most traumatic

things that have happened to me in my life in like chronological order, like like in like a drop shadow exactly, you know what a drop shadow font was like honestly the worst part um wait speaking the celebrity gossip. And I don't mean to, I don't mean to like veer into this territory, but I am curious to hear your thoughts as someone who like has a knowledge around like

entertainment media. But like now like now that now this market is fully in like dim wash stranglehold where like anyone can just make up anything about anyone's lives and like you're on it like enough times where people are like she's not with her a kid. It's like it's

or whatever, it's I'm just making this up. But it's like but and then like for me, like the lighter version is like um always being tagged and things that are like Sabo and Young walking in like Madison Square Park and I'm like that wasn't me, honey, Like it's just like now this is like dangerously like very like running off a cliff where it's like, oh, like it's a crowdsourced lie is what I'm sor this is becoming I don't always like I mean, Gawker guys, Hawker, you

guys were you guys were tweens. But back, okay, well let me tell you a story strap in um but years and years ago, there was a gawker stalker about me that said that I was like making out with a guy in a bar in Brooklyn. And here's the truth. I had just gotten married to Mark. I was in that bar in Brooklyn with Michelle. I wasn't making out with a guy at all. No, he wasn't there, he was in l A. But like, but it caused like a great amount of like personal fucking drama and stress

in my life. And like of course also it was just sucking insane, Like I was in that bar, I was with Michelle. I wasn't making out with this fucking girls friend, Like what what the fuck it was? This was? I mean, I mean, this is fifteen fift like fourteen fucking years ago. Right. The point is that, like anyone's truth can become the truth in the Internet, and it

is truly fucked. And part of the reason why I like loved social media in its beginning nascent stage, yeah, when it was exciting still and promising, was that it was like offered me an opportunity to have my own on my own home, and like I didn't feel that I was, um, you know, sort of like jailed by some sucking gawker stalker bit. She was like she was at this bar making out with this dude, when I was like, I was really at that bar. It was

not making out what that fucking dude bitch. No, I don't because at the time, I really say it was drop off service. It was near the old mccaren pool, like it was in Brooklyn, because that's what Michelle's vibe. But yeah, I'm in the city, Matt, don't. Let's not fucking funk around. I get it, you know, I trust me drop off services. Okay, so I was giving you more credit. But anyway, like I just you know, it

is really difficult. It's difficult that like people can sort of come up with a thing about you, and like they were saying that you and Mark were like divorced right now, just fucking crate no, no, no, like months ago, and I wanted to be like I wanted to like d n them direct to be like this is so, and then they debunked it quickly later with like someone else's submission. They were like, oh, she's definitely still married.

Everyone like everyone like fallback, but it's like it's also like wild, like like randomly somebody on Instagram the other day I was like, are you still with Mark? Like I'm like, first of all, bitch, Like when am I answering this on your comments on my comments of my post of my kids? Like what are you talking about? What is happening? What is happening? Like it's a certain amount of like ship that we sign up for and then ship that we're just like, I don't think we

signed up for this. I don't think any of us signed up for this because for dim Watt, for Jim Watt to have in their bio, none of what we say is actually factual, is like fucking stupid you Okay, it's an Instagram page and honestly, basically a lot of it is just like I saw so and so, like they saw me walking with a nice coffee on Franklin app and I can con firm it was me, Like what's the other one? That's like the other one? It's like a what's the other one that I have to be?

Is it private? Is dim want private? They're all fucking private, but like fuck them for being private. That's the other thing, Like in public, if you have any balls, you motherfucker's know. Like there's another one that's like it's like chow Bella or wherever the funk it is, and it's and it's like it's like still like like Busy Phillips was that? Yeah, like all time picking up to go on on you know Vermont or what is a hill Hurst? I go all I heard Maru is a real scene. Now there's

lines out the door for that coffee. Well during during reservation eraic COVID, it's like, you know, it's hard to get in anywhere, I guess. So before Okay, two thoughts. Number one, Torozzo, that's my first thought. Number two as heraza was everything I'm I'm happy to know. Number two, here's my other thought, Like it is fascinating to me, like people's fascination with blinds. Mm, well I get it,

and does opper time We all don't get it. It's a fill in the blank and like and so like the brain is like the brain's favorite thing to do is like try to fill in missing information and then the conjecture and then assume things and that's what blind items do like. And it's so I'm sort of fascinated by the veneer cracking because I feel and I'm just gonna trace it back to growing up like a gay kid.

I always wanted to be in the entertainment industry, and I always felt like what was prohibiting me from being in the entertainment industry are being a quote unquote star or being able to do what I knew I loved was the fact that I was gay. I thought that was unfair. So I always thought to myself, I know that I know that a lot of these guys are gay. I know that a lot of these people have certain things that are different about them, but no one is no one is reflecting that back to me, someone who

looks up to them. Because I was also I read all the magazines too, and like I watched you know, Access Hollywood Entertainment tonight, like I wanted to be part of that world, and I felt like it was all these like very straight, white, attractive people, and I was like, I understand that this is like a world. This is like a world where all these things are true. And then as I got a little bit older, I was like,

what the funk like and and so. I think that what fascinates me about the blind item culture of it all. And I get that it's cruel and speculative and weird, but I kind of am a little obsessed sometimes with the Bernard all down of it all. Like I love in the last five years, it kind of becomes like, you know, you know what, people are all out here

saying their truth. People are out there saying their experiences, owning up to what makes them different, owning up to things they've done that we're wrong, saying things that have happened to them, because I actually think reflects back to people that look up to them a more realistic world. Not saying a defensive blind item culture. But when I see a blind item that is like so and so a list actor is actually gay and been with his partner for three years, part of me is like, well,

who is it? Because I would like to know who it is? Because I not to be like not to make this connection. But representation does matter, and there's there was none, there was none. But I'm confused. Are you saying that it is encouraging to you when you're like, oh, some I'm not. I'm not calling it encouraging. I'm saying, it's it's it's recognizing the fact that these people are not just this like unattainable thing. Like there's a lot of and I'll just use sexuality as an example of this.

There's a lot of people out there that are have a lot more in common with the general population than I think Hollywood would have everyone realized. So that's what I think the blind item culture attracts in people. I think it just makes them say, oh, people have skeletons in my closet like I do. They're not just this perfected ideal. That's what I'm saying. All of the like social media ship and like I hate uh, I hate like a performative realness like or like a performative vulnerability,

right like that like bums me the funk out. Um. But I do think and I do think that the more we can like be honest and open and like, if you're in the public sphere, you can like share your experience and blah blah blah blah. Now having had the experience that I've had in the last only several months since my kid and I talked about their desires, like their desire for me to like share their sexuality and gender on like my podcast, on my platform with

people who are like my fans. But then it's going to get extrapolated, and it's going to be put into the ether of like the fucking fucking world and spawn out there, Like, Matt, can I just tell you that I am a forty one I'm going to be forty two in two weeks, woman who has like fucking been through it, seeing it, learned it, accepted the privilege, learned it again, fucking here for it, like got it, feel great alright, best body early anyway, and like and when

I tell you that some of the messages that I get on a daily basis make me want to fucking curl into a shell and die, like a about my child, about me like about that, I'm like, oh, that's why, that's why, that's why you want to keep the fence as high as it can go and as strong as it can be, and why the blinds can be so no matter what they are, no matter what they are.

And I'm not just talking about like this is my fucking experience because of you know, my fucking experience whatever they are, Like you just that feeling of being attacked for just existing in the way you want to exist is hard. Yeah, I think it's just painful what what the interest is and not whether or not it should be. But I guess I think there's a separation between like, but the interest is starting to creep into into harm.

It's also been the last five plus years of like our cultural shift in like, you know, having these people who have been empowered to think that like the way to get any point across is to be as loud and hateful and vengeful as possible and that they are like empowered by like a higher power even which is also we know, I mean for sure, well but whatever

they believe. But it's fucking bonkers, right, And so I don't know, like it's it's really tricky for me because it doesn't seem like it's like harmless like or not even harmless like, or it's like relatable, like I want to know, like I want people to like be empowered to like be and live and like whatever, because yeah, because they're such fucking hatred and there's and there are such awful fucking people who use it as an opportunity.

I mean, I don't know, No, I mean, like I I hate that I'm getting uh, cloying about my sexuality on you know, Pride mounth or whatever. But I'm like, I am constantly thinking about especially lately. I'm like, oh, if people are like so upset and flared up at me showing up on TV and they think I am like the gayest person in the world, I promise I

wish I was. I promise them I am not. But if you're like freaked out over me, then like that sucks for everyone else who's like living out some queerness that is like much more pronounced and externalized and like and just is like more let's just say, like obvious than me. And I'm like that bums me. I'm not saying like, oh, like what was me. I'm saying like

this just sucks for everyone else. And I'm like, and I hate that I'm saying this about like assist me as a sisk amen, But I'm like, what if if I'm going through this, then like then we've got a long fucking way to go. And I don't think we've come as far as we as we think we have, because I mean, I will just be honest and I don't mean to bring the mood down, but like I have like absolutely like boarded into like suicidal thoughts. I like, I like, I like, I've run up to the line.

The toe is like crossed into the others and to the other side, and like I don't want to deal with this. I don't want to deal with this. This is not worth it. This is not worth it it. I mean, I yes, and I like and I think, I mean, I think about this fucking month and I'm like I was talking to Bird about it, and I was like, do you wanna do the parade this month? Do you want to like go? And like this is the first time we drove past it last year and fucking lived, you know. I mean it was like still

COVID lockdown. And also Bernie Haye crowds and hates being hot. These are two things that are just inaliable, I know. And I was like, baby, that's what it is. And Bertie was like, it's not for me, and I was

probably not um but they were like maybe. But let me just say to you that I came home from work shooting girls five ever, like the night of the insurrection, and I had been working all day and at my lunch ower, one of the pas and I sat in a room in the house that we were shooting in and watched the fucking television, cried, and it was a hard fucking day. And I came home and I went up to my twelve year old child's room and my

kids said, did you see what happened today? And I was like, oh, yeah, baby, I saw that is it is truly fucked. It is so wild. And you know, we are doing all the things that we can do, your dad and me and like other people that we know, and like, we're doing all the ship we can do to help prevent more ship like that in the future. And these people and whatever. And Bertie looked at me and said, they want me dead. They want me dead, mom,

they want me dead. And what the fuck are you supposed to say to that, because the answer is you're right, they do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's a fucking and this is what this is why I'm sorry to make to bring this back to this point, but I'm like,

this is why I could never It's hard. It's hard, and Bowen, I want to say to you in that moment, exhausted from working a twelve hour fucking day, exhausted from the state of the fucking union, exhausted from fighting my own fight for like fucking women's rights, which Bertie and I've talked about yesterday, and I need to say, are people's rights because lots of people need healthcare who have uterus is who aren't women. That is a fucking fact, Bertie,

Thank you for that conversation. But like I was exhausted. And when Bertie said that to me on that night fucking January whatever, six, what was it, I don't know. It wasn't the six that was Oh, it was okay, there you go. When they said that to me, I was like, you're right, they do. They do, but you know what, we're not going to let them, like, we're not going to let them, and I'm not going to let them. No one's gonna fucking let them. You're right,

but that's not I know, I know, I know. But they're old enough to know that if you had said that's not true, then they would have known that you were lying, yeah, and condescending to them, yeah, and patronizing and so so I think you said exactly what you had to quote unquotes say. I don't know, well, you never know, You're never gonna know, but I can tell you're a great fucking mom, and I'm fine, I'm fine, but all the time, and I'm like my own person.

That's the thing too, Like you're like my dad was never wrong, and he was like well, and then I learned he was a person. I'm constantly like I am.

You're right. You know, I allowed probably too much runway for them to be like both of my kids to be like you fucking suck, You're the worst because I'm like, I am a person, I'm doing I And then I also now I hate saying I'm doing my best because that's the name of my podcast, and so it does feel like a little bit cheesy to me when I say that, because I mean, we can't say I don't think honey anymore. That's why why don't I take that and you guys can take yeaheah, I'm doing but I

was saying the medium idea. But yes, people take on doing that. I was the bone is like I'm on the phone with the medium already. Yeah. The good news is it's not over because we have to transition to our speaking of segments. I don't think so, honey. So basically, you know, this is the one minute segment where we take the time to sort of rail against something in pop culture, culture, etcetera at all that is sort of getting to us so much so that we have to

just spend a minute sort of ranting about it. Um, I do have one, and traditionally I do go first bow should I yeah? Yes, yes, yes, I want Can I say you have to come back? Because I have some more questions for first of all, like it's a joy talking to you, but I questions like when I found out your like you have a story credit on Blades of Gloria, I need to know about that, like you Yeah, but I want you to come back to so folks, how about that? All right? So I do

have one. Okay, this is this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey. As time starts now, I don't think so honey. The concept of a freak number, so basically some people will ask each other what's your freak number? And now what they're saying is like in terms of a freak number, like how much or a freak are you one through ten? In bed? This is the question

that one Andy Cohen asked all the time. And I was watching Watch What Happens Live last night when he had Uzo Aduba and the fucking hot John Benjamin Hickey on his show Break My Arm. So basically he asked John Benjamin Hicky, what's your freak number? And he said about a six, and he said, no, you're a ten. Now.

I don't think so, honey, saying your freak number is a ten, because if I'm in a one through ten and ten is the max, ten means like some fifty shades of gray stuff or like some you know, like blood stuff. Ten if it's you're going as far as you can go, and then you say you're a ten, that means you're into some stuff. So I don't know. I feel like everyone's rubric is different, Like if you're gonna say ten, then be willing to back that up.

And I know you can't say. I guess I'm beat seven seven point five, maybe eight if you catch me on a good day. But I don't think so, honey, this number and that's one minute now. Andy rejected the number six and said and and conferred upon him that

he was at ten. That's not so. I guess. He's been friends with with Mr Hickey for some time and he had Uzzo and do but do a sort of thing where he was like, Uzzo, you asked me a question about John, and I'm gonna answer, and if if I get it wrong, John can spray me in the face with water. So Uzzo asked, what is John's freak number? And Andy said ted, and John sprayed him right in the face and said what he said, what why are

you doing that? In his Andy Cohne way, And then so John goes, I'm a six, and he was like, You're not a six, You're a tat man. And I was kind of just like, this is interesting because how could he possibly be a ten? Ted is like scary for a freak number. Wow, wow, wow wow. Maybe Andy Cohen, just like himself, has a high freak number and just Jex, this is what I'm gonna say that. It was just like there's a lot of projection happening in that moment. Yeah,

I will say, Andy Eno, I think that. I think he was just sitting there and getting all excited and he was looking at John Benjamin Hickey, his friend who's hot, and he said he's a high freak number because let me tell you something, that man, he's so hot and he's such a good actor. Busy are you watching in treatment. I haven't watched it yet. The new one, Now you're gonna love it. You're gonna love it. You're gonna love it anyway. And the freak number thing I've always been hot.

He's he's got he's a silver Fox, he's got away and an Emmy and an Emmy in his hand. We love that for them. I don't think come September. Um, alright, so listen, Yang, I turned to you as when Houston once said, for your I don't think so, honey. Are you ready? I'm ready? Okay, Well, this in that case is Boen Yang's. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. It taking a million weeks for Levitating Featuring the Baby to go number one.

It's been eighty four years and it is a perfect pop song. It's not taken this long for it to hit number one, and you number one, and today it went to number onelation. Congratulations to the team. She posted a lovely note today on Maine on Grid, saying, oh

my god, we did it. You you had this memory single day that the chart placement of Levitating feature of Featuring the Baby, and I just feel like this is a cruel and unusual punishment to put this girl in music and chart perfect story in limbo for this whole time, and she has to fucking dance and jump through hoops literally. Maybe I'm sure she did a version where she jumped through for her to make sure this song hit number one. And now she can finally rest easy and everyone should

stream the news. Ale is got me love again? Goddamn, you got me love again. I mean she's in the pop group Girls five. Happened to hear it, by the way, Wait, can I say that not we didn't talk enough about Girls five ever, but we didn't. It's sort of it's sort of like it sclos without saying that we love and we really do. But the last episode, I was crying at the end of that song. And and then I loved when you guys all went up with Sarah

and did it live. It was so fun. Tomorrow which this isn't live but tomorrow, but you guys, tomorrow we're on the Today Show and we do it chatting about the renewal. No we sang no, but you're going on we chat you Tina. Tina is on chatting and then they cut, and then they like cut to us and we sang, um, four stars, four stars, which is a bob, such a good what I think they're all kind of bangers, famous five almost every day, so good and dream girlfriend

and Girlfriends is my favorite. And you know, my favorite line is we got the kind of booth control the girls never want to wake up from my favorite dream girlfriend. It's so fu good. My favorite lyric from Dream Girlfriends is um because we're the kind of girls who wear cowboy hats to a bar. I mean, by the way, it's like everything rings true. That's amazing about the lyrics is that they were like absurd and yet so truthful. They well observed, absurd but observed. Wait, absurd but observed

is like on a T shirt. Come on it, um wait? But wait, what I wanted to say before we do business, I don't thinks funny is wait, what is the song about the um kid in the city? I love I love it. It's so funny to me, Every every single song hits for me. You're right, but but I mean, four Stars is just it's just a hit song. It's just it's Sarah. It's really sweet. It's really sweet, and it's like got so much warmth and heart and like, how lucky I fucking am in this like hail Mary,

like a eleventh hour fucking whatever. Guys, you guys, you guys. I'm essentially you guys. I'm essentially Jean Smart. Like this is my farewell tour, you know what I mean. Let's be to be forty two. My ship is sailed. You and you and Michelle are going to have a big reunion project and like the world is gonna bust their damn and just wait, just wait, just wait. I have this movie that I'm going to direct. Whoa, I'm so excited about it. I can't Okay, but this, Michelle is

going to be in it. Yeah, and it's gonna be so good. It's gonna be so good something I fucking stand. Michelle and I saw Cabaret opening night. I don't know how this happened same, but I was there. Okay, well, you were probably in the front. Me and Study were in the literal back row. I'm not kidding you. We don't know how we got tickets. We were walking through the like area where you get drinks, and Cynthia Nixon was talking to Braudley Cooper. Okay, and so we were.

But I'm telling you Michelle killed. Oh my god, she fucking crushed, and she went back to the original text you go there, you go. And also that's what makes rewatch my week with Maryland now because when because there's a there's a line that that she goes, and I think it's iconic and I always will do it to my friends, even my gayest friends. I'll do this line too, and they'll be like, what's that from? I go shall I be her? And I go who? And then you

say Maryland? It is iconic When she turns to Eddie rate Man and says, shall I be her? Because there's pressed outside? I think I said, that's like Louis and he didn't know what I was talking about something. They just you telling me that right now, like in this moment, I'm a little bit like we all should have Shall I be her? Shall I be her? Every every day before I work out and we'll go out into Franklin Avenue with a nice coffee, I say, shall I be he? Shell?

Because going to cover it? And also like go funk yourselves. I can't even pre that. I don't think so, honey, speaking of negative thoughts, it's time, busy, you're not ready for my eye. I don't think so, honey. Yes, oh okay, well we'll see about that. Yang all right, but when are you going a time? Or should I all? Timer? Yes? This is busy, This is busy Phillips. I don't think so, honey. Heard time starts this so specific. I don't think so honey, New York Produce. What are you doing? Who do you

think you are? Why are you an avocado? And you're rotten? Two seconds after I get you home from Twitter Joe's I don't think so, honey. I don't think so honey, this produce. What are we doing here? It all tastes like shit. It's terrible, No wonder people are in such a fucking bad mood for half of the fucking year. You can't get a goddamn citrus fruit to save your life. Where's the fucking hair? Goes from literally hardest fuck dead

woman to half seconds. My children, who grew up eating every sort of delicious bounty of fucking Hollywood farmers market fair that you could find, have now declared that they are not in for the produce. And I'm like, New York, get it the fuck together. That's all I have to say. She don't think so, honey, someone misses the Sunday farmers markets of l A. I can see it in your eyes. New York is a disaster. But what can you do about There's there's no where we know what? You know

what we get instead? And this is a This is a girl who is like I am. I am in the wool, died in the whatever the funk? That expression is sure. I'm l A through and through. I am West Coast fucking raised and educated for two years before I got my first TV show and just lived like just that is where my home is. But here's what we get in New York. Instead of the good produce, nutritious, delicious produce, we get culture. Yeah. And you know what else?

You know what the children get? They get um, they get a world that is bigger than one industry and one idea of what something? Uh yeah? And for that, I say, I think we're going to live in New York until my children are old enough to go to college. Do you think, God, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't. I can't. I hide. I'm not gonna say I hate it here, it's not I can't. The lack of Arajuan is stifling my soul. Howevs. Sorry, sorry, we just we just find

our titles of a as. Yeah, the lack of arionon the lack of arion is stifling my soul, how evs. The growth that I've seen in both of my children

since September has been worth the price of admission. And I would say that being in any city that is not um, a city that is focused on one industry and one way of being, is beneficial for a developing mind, and especially when you have kids that are like never divergent and different in all kinds of ways and like just and and also just all children like maybe like like l A is like amazing for babies, Like it's like the easiest best best place to have babies because

there's space and pools and outdoors and nice weather the whole year round and like all this other stuff. But when they get to be a certain age and they when you're in like the most impressionable age, and you think that like only one thing is important and there's only one way to be and there's only one way to make a living and to live and to like

exists in the world. I'm not saying Bertie is like all of a sudden, like god friends of like oh socio economic Wait, like let's be real, Like they're in fucking private school and they're still a child who's not fully enlightened yet but yet totally totally and like all of the things. But they're like their friends are like have all different kinds of interests and they're not those

interests vary from being like famous on TikTok to be fat. No, I'm kidding, but every every child should be raised in a city where they don't know what Quimby is a hundred fucking percent. And by the way, like r I P, I think that that's next year, no one's gonna know

what Quimby was. But like no, but like Bertie's friends like at this point now here, I think it's like mildly amusing what their mom does, Whereas in Los Angeles, legit Mark walked in on Bertie having a discussion, like a serious debate in fourth grade with a another kid from their school about whose parents had more Instagram followers. Unacceptable, It's unacceptable. Honestly, get the Atlas van lines and and so and so. Being in New York is worth all

of the bruised apricots and flavorless hickam bruised apricots. Honey, you know you can't even get an apricot? What are you talking about where I didn't know. I'm not even kidding you, Bone, I will fuck you for an apricot. Like at this point, I'm like, what whose chick am I say? Apricot? Quick? I am so deprived of my fucking farmer's market fair. I sparagus today and I was like, this is amazing. It's just asparagus. I was like, I haven't tasted today anything like this in months. You guys,

the produce here is yeah. But now I'm saying you might have to go to Brooklyn now because the Brooklyn does have good farmers markets. Don't be it, don't be in Manhattan snob now, listen, I'm not, I'm not. But here's the problem is that Mark's family is from like Sheephead's Bay, Brooklyn, and so he has like a deep sense memory association with Brooklyn that's like old people and like smelly apartments. And he can't Barbara's brook He can't. He can't cross the threshold we were looking for. I

was like, let's buy a house in Brooklyn. There's more space. She is in Brooklyn. Right, I don't want to blowers I don't want to blowery cover. Fine. I think we're fine. She's pretty publicly Brooklyn face Brooklyn. Well, oh my god. You know what I watched the other night at the Greatest Showman. It was so good. I love British Showman. You and my you and my seven year old. That's Dreams. It's the Crickett favorite movie of all time. I love that.

A Million Dreams is low key the best song Million Dreams. Well, first of all, never Enough as a moment and I turned to see you during Never Enough and I was like, this is a moment and she said, you're a flops all does her own singing rib? Oh? Is that that knowledge I did? I was just sort of like she did it's like a podcast. Okay, great, great, great, um, because I always hate if I ever am like, oh god, did I say a thing that like she didn't want

publicly known. It's gonna end up in people mag oh um. I know. She was like during the dancing there was like some dancing sequence and she fully fucking like dislocated, broke like two ribs and was in so much pain. And yeah, I mean she's like that's a thing, like she is an incredible fucking dancer. I mean, Foster obviously showed the skills, but she's great. She was great in

cat Cabaret, she's great in Greaterst Showman. And se Verdon was the perfect sort of like confluence of all of the jobs that she had had and all of the life experiences and then it was this just magical like orb of a part, and her playing Gwen Verdon was like transformative. I mean, I'm I don't know, I'm always in awe of like her abilities and talent. And then

because she's the best person I know. That's another thing I love about you is your great best friend, and I think that rocks and I think the most important thing to me is friendship. But I recognize it. And that's why that very that day, I said to my sister, I said, that's us over there. I was like, I'll always be by your side and he probably won't even invite me to things, but when you're gonna are you nominated for have any nominations? No, I'm not. I I

was going to know before we got into this. I was just like the other day, I thought to myself, I showed I showed my sister. My sister was like, has mappen in Atlanta? I was like, yeah, we we we did a show. We didn't I don't think so many here and went to the World of Coke. And then I showed her this stupid bit he was doing where he pretended to be Mariam Manudos at the World of Coke giving a tour. And I was like, and then I thought to myself, Oh, this is the funniest

person in the world. This is the good, funniest, funniest, smartest, stupidest person in the world. So dearly and no, I agree, friends the most important thing. And there anyway, we are this is an incredible that you came by. I can't even tell you. I was like, it was like one of those it's one of those people. It's like, well, we could ask, but she probably wouldn't want to do this, you know what I mean? What are you kidding? Anyway? I was always like, they don't want me on their show?

What are you talking about that? Here's the thing, here's the thing. I I feel like in my life sometimes I'm like those people like obviously like I'm not cool enough or I'm not like a part of the thing whatever, and then they're like, oh, we would never have and I'm like, wait what I that's such a fucking bummer. All I've ever wanted to do was like hang, I just gonna say hang. Listen's line back in. I'm gonna put my kids to bed, my love in snapping back in. Listen.

If you haven't stream Girls five ever on Peacock, you're making a huge fucking mistake. You're a flap. I don't like you yet until you stream it. Then we can talk because it's such a good show. Busies amazing, as is the whole cast. I mean we've been saying and bowen Yang is included in that um but wow, listen to Busy Phillips is doing her best. Pick up that book. This will only hurt a little. Do your research one to you. She didn't offer one to you, So you

have nomination. Let me have the book. I'll send it to your sisters. I have my I have my inventive line back in a rights back in. So that means we're gonna come to a close. But we always bow and yang and with a song we're kind Let are not the words? Should we sing Michelle's song? All I want to sing busy song with Sarah and Paula and come in up coming, up coming, up coming up. For the rest of that listen to the Girl's side track featuring Busy Phillips, Bye Bye