"Who Cares?" (w/ John Early)

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um Matt has made such progress. We were walking down since at Bolevards. He points up to the Griffith Observative Observator where he goes, wow, look at that house. I was like, man, I thought it was a house Griffith. It's my second time here. The first time I was on vacation with my family. We wanted a celebrity homes toour and almost died chasing Adrian Grannier down the street. The guy was it was like a Safari cart, and the guy's like, there's Adrian Grenier and then we really

almost died trying to get a minute. Wasn't poetically? That would have been so poetically. I would have loved that to be to be the news. The news, you guys, we have a resplendent guest. Oh baby, baby, baby, can we talk about the credits. Let's talk about the credits as he fucking sharts at his mouth into the mic, so listen you can see him. Well, first of all, this is actually brilliant five five five on vimeo. Honey, It's not just a place where you watch people's acting

reels anymore. No, it is a full platform, honey, with the fucking Queen Kate Burlette. This is really, it's really really good. Seima not see him as Elliott on Search Party on TBS, animals on HBO, honey. Um, And he has a live show at the Satellite every second Tuesday of the month, and he's going to be at the Bellhouse in New York. He's returning to the old stomping grounds June. Check him out. Then, guy, guys, welcome John Early, Hey, guys, Hey, hey,

drawn podcast voice. Well, I really think I'm sitting here and I'm like, this could be the podcast where I learned to like try to let the the artifice of it melt away. Yeah, No, this is that. Yeah, what you're what you're saying at the moment, you're saying, there's a lot of artifice now no, no, no, okay, wait wait wait wait what do I love artifice I'm talking about.

I'm talking about Mike's headphones because I've been on you know, a million podcasts part of the part of the round it, and I always I never really get to a place of conversational ease. Yeah. Never, like it's impossible, I mean, and I'm immediately comforted by both of you guys. Really, really, what do you know each other from? Back? Yeah? From that? Um. I remember John. First time I ever heard about John was he was in a production of the production of

Here We Go Charles Charles Bitch. I didn't see it, but I heard but no, but people were like, oh my god, John Early, John really really John Early, John Early. And I was like, okay, blip on my radar. And then, of course, start your skin, guys, if you haven't seen Start your Skin, it is truly like the seed crystal of this whole thing of John's whole career. You must, I mean, it still holds up so well, it does.

Just Google, Start your Skin. It's fantastic. Google. Also, if you want to see me at my skinniest, sure, I mean, but who wasn't skinnier? No? Nine, you know what I'm saying, Like, it was just a time when we're all we all had we all had jaw lines, and I know I felt great about ourselves. I can look at it and I'm like, oh, I look young, you know, like that's you're forever young. Now there's a there's I won't deny that. The change in my physical activity from when I was

nineteen to it's like night and day. Like I used to be like a runner. I ran every single day and now we this is our second day in a reading McDonald's, and I know that it will hit me tomorrow like it's it's coming. I can feel the body changing, but like physically it hasn't really repercussed, but it will, and I'm very aware of that. Well anyway, sorry, we don't need to I immediately I always make it about weight. No, within ten minutes, I'll make community and we should be talking.

Tell you it's not only a weight journey for me. It's a jowl journey first and foremost. It's like when facially, it's like when when is this going to like just I don't know, No, I'm just saying I'm like when did FaceTime? Like when did I when was I all of FaceTime? Right? You know what I mean? I take up the whole frame. Now that's just that's just an arm length thing. That's no, it doesn't matter how far I could put at the end of the room, and if I walked, my face takes with the whole frame.

But when it's a parallax effect, John, how are you emotionally? What's your climate? What's your climate? I'm good, I'm I'm actually really good. I just moved here. Yes, it's perm we we've established that it's it's um. Yeah, I'm just like having a great time. I've met some great people. I'm loving my little bungalow. Let me say, John moved from a beautiful place Gregg told me was a beautiful

place in cobble Hill. Wait, Greg, Greg cawse attack beautiful place in cobble Hill or gardens was Carol Carol Garen's beautiful place in Carol Garden really right on the border in cobble Hill. You know it, you know it. And then to go from that to Silver Lake, I mean it's the ultimate. Come on. I mean that's a that's a lateral move for me at least. Yeah, I feel like Carol Gardens is like no, yeah, I would kill for that. I lived in south Slope. Yeah, I like

almost almost they called it Greenwood Heights Heights. But anyway, um, so, so congrats on the move. Sorry, I just had to like just just take that tangent with the Carol Gardens. Was it an anguish decision that you were like, no, it's time, I'm ready? There was no, Thankfully, there was no anguish because I thought I had a job like Kate and I thought we had a job, and so there was no choice. It was just like I have to move to pack up a move, which made it

so easy. I sobbed. I was like I've delayed my flight for four days. I just kept pushing it back and like literally hourly, like I would like push it back a few hours, push it back a whole day, and I just refused to pack. Then, like the night before, Sorry, was that a pop? No? No, no no, I was

an emotional reaction. Then the night before I like I just like went to put every for all my furniture on Craigslist for free, and like I had like scavengers come pick through it, and then I, you know whatever, and I just I was a mess leaving New York. Had a very kind of clean like on the on the plane right there, I read I like, my friend sent me a PDF of Goodbye to All That Joan Didion.

And then I finished the essay. And then I had purchased the Jonathan Gold documentary on iTunes, so I just so I provided a I really took care of myself. I made that that flight a metaphor. Sure, and I and I and I and it was beautiful. It worked. And then I got here and I just I've had such a great time. That's good. And you know what, New York is still there, It's still there. It's still there, works still there, and works still there. What was the

toughest part? We like, well, what set you off in the in the sobbing? Sobbing was like, well, not the people, not the people, not the people, um no. The what set me off was like, I think it's just I spent all ten years of my twenties and in New York, and so it just it's just a very natural like, uh,

it's over my twenties. It was just saying twenties. And then also like, there is something so devastating about moving when you're single, Like when you're doing all that stuff by yourself and you have no one like I had like three I had like four suitcases, like everything was packed, and then I had four suitcases that I was taking on the plane and I was like it like dawned

on me. It was like fully snowing, and I was like when I was like waiting outside for the cab, I was like, I literally am not going to be able to carry these stuff from the cab to the check in whatever, check in chicken in. Who Cares? That's the thing about your podcast, Who Cares? Who Cares? Um? But yeah, But then I was like, I was like, this is so brutal. I just I don't know, you just start and then I just started like looking at past.

I couldn't help but start thinking about past. You're revisiting the romantic aspect of New York, and there's just something about like leaving a city for good with no one. You're like, you're like, oh, well I failed, which of course isn't true. It just in my heightened emotional state, and like I never nothing ever worked, And you think it's going to be easier because you're like, oh, there's

nothing here to fucking keep me behind. I'm not tangled upping anything here, but kt tunstalls playing underscoring the move. Yeah it was. I don't know. I just was like, I was like, I was really upset, But I think it was also just a totally normal emotional response that I was then like trying to like a sign meaning to really was just like a big change change. Yeah, sure. I mean we're here for a week and I spent the whole first forty eight I was like having an

anxiety attack. What was it about? You know what? It was really just like I felt like, you know what it is. It's like a Pavlovian thing I'm having, if that's even the right word, where it reminds me of Long Island where I grew up, because you have to drive everywhere. And then I was we were sitting around. We were separated one night. This is how dependent I am. We were separated one night and I was like, what are you doing? And he didn't respond for like two hours,

and I'm like, what's happening? What's going on? M I in high school. It's very the kind of thing. This isn't a city, first of all, I'm gonna say it. This is a part of a state, okay, And you got to drive around and maybe it's I don't think so high Angel Pastiche of Neighbor. No, I'm having a good time now. But yeah, I was just anxious. Maybe it is because I'm separated from Henry. Oh that's it. I'm just crazy. Yeah Henry he tinkled a key. Oh yes,

I know him. But literally he's like such a Facebook person for me, and he just got back on Facebook and he's been very absent. In fact, everyone everyone check out his recent post where he's detailed everything that's going on in his life in the past six months that Facebook has missed. He listed the shows that he's watched, one of the Research Party, which she loved. Thank God.

A little bit of love for you there. Um. But yeah, no, that's and I was thinking to myself, like that's how crazy it is, Like he feels like the need to like update everyone, like just so you know, Facebook, we've been we've been apart, and here's what's going on, right, Like the point was to actually excise all the all that impulse to share what you're doing and then you come back and you have like so funny, No, it was, it was very But I had a conversation with someone

yesterday who was like not on Facebook, and never has been. And she's like, it's very interesting, it's like food and water. I was like, well, it's not, but it sometimes feels that pervasive. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, But it was to go back to your anxiety. Oh it was Henry related. You know what it is. It's coming here and not loving it at first and knowing, oh I might have to move here someday. Well that's really at the right restaurant. But it's literally just like, where did you go? Honestly,

I've been pushing mohawk Bend on this one. I mean he went there for drinks, but we did, and it's immediately just no, stop here, we go here to do you need to go to? Okay, well where are you staying here? We're staying. We're moving everywhere in between AIRB and b's be a little Armenia. We're gonna move great water. Um, you need to go to Night Market Song, you need to go to twelve Familiar, You need to go to John Venny's. You need to go to Change Do Taste Taste.

We got to go. Is this on cool? Do Taste is the best ever had in my life? Change Do Taste? We're going? Okay, thank you, thank you any anything else? Yes, okay, there's a lot of other things. Can I is this some cool? We went to Kanye and Ted's I love Kanye and love it. I love it. That's great. That's what an assortment of oysters that place can lay out. Guys, um our waiter, our server came by to talk to us, talk us through the many. Name was Max. Matt saw

the oyster list and asked him. And Matt works in the industry industry. He works at a seafood restaurant and were in Red Hook. You know Red Hook, So Matt Matt is, Matt is very called Brooklyn Crab. So Matt has like a working knowledge of this. And he asked, do you guys have all these oysters? And then and Max says, yes, we do. And Matt this is so adorable. In his excitement and his delight was said, Wow, that

is super cool. I should qualify the no place has a dozen different kinds of oysters, unless that's an l a thing, and in which case I will move here. I love myself some some raw shellfish and shellfish. But Matt is really um is really acclimating to the city well and to the show biz here. Speaking of show biz John, can we talk about five five please? And holy sh it, you guys are so good. It's nuts. You should be super proud. You should be so proud. Oh my god, I've just so many thoughts and just

so many good I felt very seen. But yes, I grabbed the one and I was like, this is literally insane. Also in Nicole's MUSEO was so fan of the pod Nicole, but she like will quote it back to us sometimes and we're like that, um, but holy sh it, I felt super seen by that episode. But it's like when you guys are describing the characters that you have that that's every showcase? What was that? What does the title mean? That's what? And we know it's five different installments. I

mean it's literally that simple. And then it just happened to like also have some thematic relevance of just like the fake area code that using movies when there's like a phone number, I know that. Yeah, it's like it's whenever it's because you legally can't be like three win. Oh, but we do have a phone number in one of the shorts, which we didn't even no one on set was considering, and we like when we were editing it.

We were like holding hands and we called the number, were like, oh my god, oh my god, and then it was a fax machine. We're there, but yeah, five five yea, that's the fake area code. And so we're like, oh, that's kind of nice because there's like it's like related to Hollywood, and it's like it's you know, there's some element of artifice in every short. You know. I was hoping it was as simple as it literally is. And by the way, good job, because people are literally never

consider that. People. We've been interviewed so many times. People were like, so there's six shorts. I'm like, no, I mean, it's so weird to me that no one picks up on that. Right, Oh my god, it's so good. That last shot. I mean, it's it's it cuts from you. Here's a question. I want to dive right to the truth of this. Can he see at the end of the fifth episode or do you not even know? Well, listen, that was not in the script at all. That was actually that moment of me looking at Kate is actually

just when we had stopped shooting. Okay, it's even better, and we were shooting. We were we were going to shoot something where I was like looking past her and we accidentally made I contact. She was gonna that's why we have the reaction of her being like yeah. But then in editing it was like it just worked really beautifully. Andy, who directed it, was like just it was like a really effective, powerful ending. However, I don't think he can see. I'm not interested in a short in which he can see.

Andy and Kate might disagree with me on that, but like, I don't think I think he's really going blind, Like yeah, he's screaming in the meeting, like he's really going blind and like and yeah, so I just I just don't think he would make it up to get out of his life for something that you could you can interpret it that way. My interpretation was the book club that this is that he gained a sight back in that moment. She was like fuck, And to me that was clearly

like that. I like, I looked at Bowen and I thought we thought the same exact thing, which is like, oh my god, he can see again, not that not that he could see all along, but that he can know he genuinely was blind. But then he gets it back. I don't know how. I don't know what consider that he is in grace. I know, I honestly only considered it as either it's literally an accident, she was confused, or he has been faking it. And but that is beautiful, and I want to say that that's right. I am.

I was positive. This is why we record the podcast if we get to that Colonel of truth. Also, we started that episode and Bone goes, I love her straight hair. Stop, no, god, damn it. No, No, that's not how I meant it. I know, but it's great. She looks amazing. I mean it's not about the hair, but I just just not for that character, but perfect, but she did look for me. It's also Kate was so funny with the straight here, like it was the way and well she also yeah,

it totally informed the dancing. And then also like she just as Kate herself the whole day was like this is crazy, right, she kept taking picture of herself. She's like, this is insane. I'm telling you, I haven't had straight hair since I was twelve. I was like, I know, like she is absolutely obsessed with her straight hair, and

it really, I mean she is. She could have done it without the hair, but I feel like the hair really put her into that fully literally upset with it was that extra push and then Boone turns me and he goes, we really are all robots. We all high were not were very sober, but talking. But I was like, yeah, like we just sucking talk like zombies. That's what this

whole thing is. Like. We have a certain friend that we that we looked at each other and we're like, that's yeah, like that was that was that the count? That was a sillable count. Actually, and you know what they don't listen to because who cares, because who cares cares cares? But it was, it was, it was. It's so good that you should be so proud. I loved it. No, I mean every single episode. And also I couldn't believe

how dark, how dark, very dark. I thought watching the first episode, I'm like, oh, we're going to get a narrative here, She's going to find him. No, but they're is a little gentle narrative. And also Kate's character at the end says, you have to hear my new clients. She's a genius. So you're supposed to assume that the girl made it, not me see, and I was confused about that. I was like, is this a gender is

not a thing right for a moment? Oh no, no, no, no, it's that she she's that shot of her pushing at the end. She survived and like you're supposed to assume it's somehow she gets vengeance, right, And there was them what with the other little nexus there for the series tube, the tube that anyone who's listening, who has not watched of your listeners, it is just so funny, like the tube. It's going to be one of those things that I don't drop. I mean, I I think it's legitimately so

freaking amazing. I want everyone to watch it. And while we're talking about that, Okay, so we touched down here and some of our friends told us about this video. They were like, you've seen this, and I was like, no, Freckle, Freckle, oh, Freckles a genius, Jason. We just discovered this and I don't think anyone in New York like knew of it. But it's insane, guys, look it up. Look it up, Jason Green, Freckle acting reel and then all the Caleb

Gallo stuff stuff. It's so good. Anyway, I hung out with Freckle a few times since I moved here and it's so funny. It's yeah, extremely extremely funny. Can't let it go alright, So listen, guys, this is the moment in the episode where we ask of our guests the cultural beginnings of Genreally, so, what was the culture that made you young? Genreally say cultures? For me, I want to move in a cultural direction. Well, it was really

like southern boy. I was a Southern boy in Nashville, Tennessee, nash home of country music and the show Nashville and the show Nashville and the movie Nashville. Yeah, of course, of course. Um I called sure. I mean, yeah, Like it's a broad question. It's tough, but it can know, it's very easy for me to answer. I'm honestly just like where do I Where do I start? Um? It was mostly like you know, it was the Blockbuster trips.

It was like my mom dropping me off a Blockbuster as she was grocery shopping, and like going to the Sundance recommend section, which happened to be very close to like the game and lesbian section. So that's where I was really going. So were you looking at them and not renting them? Or just seemed like what was out. Yeah, I was like looking at this Sunnan and then like you know, shooting the eye, darting the eye over to the gay stuff and not renting. It's like target look

at the underwear. Yes, just like that. I did rent. I rented queers Folk eventually, but like asked for it to go bag And then I would get in the car like what did you get? I like sense and sense of I just yeah it was. And then I would watch it and like with my remote an inch away from the TV, Like I was like my eyes were this close to the screen in case they came in just anything. Yeah, um no, but that's through that

kind of like I don't know what I think. I was very much like trying to be older than I was, and I was obsessed with like the idea of having good taste and like and like surpassing my childish peers and their like love of like zoog Disney, you know, and so like I was very like annoyingly proud of like Oh. I also my sister had a friend Jenna, who was so funny and cool and gorgeous, and I'm like I was. She was my older sister, and I would always just try to impress her and make her laugh.

And then she was like I told her, I was like, I love the movie Clock Watchers Tony Colette Good and that movie was the start of like a lot for me. And then she she started kind of like, oh, you should see these like Bridget fund of movies and like so there was kind of like in these Parker Posy movies, like there's kind of like a nineties indie film like with women in the Of course that was very important

to me. That was. But then also just like I watched I Love Lucy constantly and and then I remember like seeing the Spartan cheerleaders and being like oh my god, I like and not knowing what SNL was was like

nine and me like who what is that? And my parents explaining SNL to me, and then like going back, you know, watching the gera of SNL and like finding the women of each generation and just becoming obsessed with the women of SNL because for Spartans, I mean for me, it was I'm sure this is what you're a loading to. For me, it was all about Cherry. It was completely all aboutout Cherry. I had like an autograph picture of her.

I was so obsessed with Sure, Terry. Yeah, Morning Latte is like Morning lat is like the foundation of my sense of humor. It's so funny. I yeah, will for it could have been invisible. It was, but he's obviously, but like it was about her absolutely, But also it just feels like he's such a good scene partner too, Like it's so cool that, like he is such a megastar.

But then you go back and watch SNL and he's like such a good supporting player her on a gas STARMI Shan and they're like so many little duo stuff that he does where he like takes the back seat. You forget that he's a straight man in Celebrity Jeopardy, you know what I mean. Essentially, it's like that's like one of the things he's known for and you would never associate with, like you know, solid straight man, but like he does that extremely well. So good, Yeah good.

I was going to say, what what emotions get stirred up when I say the name Tony Collette, because you I really like intense emotions. I really loved her so much, and I mean, where do we begin. She there is something about her that hits on like such like an intrinsic level because I literally me, your solo show you talk about make her proud, and that is like it is gay totally because it's about dance. It ultimately tells

a queer narrative narrative. My I had a teacher in college that was like, we have to talk about the Six Cents and specifically this scene in the car and Tony Collette got an Oscar nomination and just about like that scene in general, like being actually what made six Cents a great movie? So this well, he was like an incredibly gay teacher. But so I was like, yeah, this is very few. His name is Paul Selig. He actually also was a psychic medium, dramatic writing instructor and

psychic medium. You can find him online. I recommend you look him up. Um he literally speaks to them in a tongue. It's it's that. But he was very into Tony Collette to and loved that scene, and I was very happy that. I was like me, maybe I did make the right toys coming here, they're gonna tell me this is right that I was attracted to this Yeah, yeah, she just I don't know. It was really like it was clock Watchers and Murial's wedding were the two that

really and um, there's just nothing. There's her performance. Murial's wedding is so undeniably genius and like it's just so good. I named my dog Muriel, you know, Like it was like it was an intense I like I made her a collage for her birthday that I never sent because I was like, oh wow, no, but I got so close.

I was like googling her managers and like, I mean, well Altivista her managers, but like it was I like made a collage with like pictures of her and like paper magazine and then like and quotes of hers, like why would anyone want to receive this? It was like it was like quotes of Tony's and then and then

there were fun facts about me. It was like favorite food, pasta favorite movie, Clock Watchers, Like I mean it was like, yeah, I was obsessed with her age like ten or eleven the sweet Spot because I saw Clock Watchers because of Kudro, because I was so obsessed with Michelle, and and then I was like and then it really was like I

really felt a shift when I watched Clock Watchers. I really was like, you know, I think you can at some point over time, you can you can have like a gradual like intellectual awakening where you go from childhood to like not everything is good the moment, yeah, or you can have like a very like sharp clean moment. And I had like a fully clean like I was like watching clock Watchers. I was like, why is this

affecting me so intensely? And I was like scream sobbing watching it because it's so dark and it's really it's really until and simple, but it is dark. I've never seen it. You have to see it. Yeah, that's going to top my list from me now. It's really it's really beautiful and but anyway, but I was like, you know, it's like four friends and their office temps, so they're like, you know, horribly mistreated, but they kind of become really

close friends despite that. But then like they're like, don't I won't tell you, but whatever, I'm not gonna tell you. Like a it sounds like a nice it's like a real or nine to five? Is it very dramatic movie? It's quietly dramatic. There's no histrionic, yes exactly, so you know it's dark, um dark histrionic. But with those actresses, that's great. Yeah, it's it's so it's so good. But yeah, I don't know, I just I so I think I

just forever associated Tony and she's the main character. And she also kind of like becomes self actualized throughout the course of the movie. But she becomes self actualized not in some sort of like trophy movie, like she finally follows her passion of singing, like she come self actions because everything falls apart around her and it just like sucks.

But she's like, well, this is it, this is life, and I just like yeah, So I like I think I just felt like I owed Tony like my like awakening and like yeah, and yeah, if it gets okay, so reverse the situation of just imagine someone sending you a collage of you and quotes and your quotes and then they list off there is some little guy out there that's putting it together. Okay, So then that would so you would receive that positively totally, I know. But

I think I just was like so im embarrassed. So yeah, I don't know why was there was there a closet I went into that and they definitely and I have the webs I made a website for her, and like I was so I was like telling my teachers about the website. I was telling all my friends and I realized I was gay, and I was like, oh, yeah, this is why. I was like, there's a website. I like, I literally like I'm out. Essentially, was that the moment. Was there a moment where you visually remember like, oh,

I'm gay. Well not because of the website. I just was like, yeah, I'm there's like literal proof on the internet. This is how far website. It's like there's no hiding it now. And that's my own fault. I mean, I remember getting asked like when like the first day of school type questions like everyone put your favorite food, this, this, this favorite actress, favorite whatever, favorite this I it was

probably two thousand and one. I was like, of course I'm gonna put in a Cole Kidman because Mulan Rouge and the others and just the versatility, and but everyone was like, well, who are you going to put down? And I was like, I can't. I knew it was wrong to say Nicole. I ended up putting Tara Read, and I walked around for quite a while saying Tara Reader my favorite actress, and then I remember my Spanish teacher turned to me one day. I was like, so, um,

Tara read like, what's what's this about? And I just I just said, oh, I saw her on a website and then she was like and I was like you I just literally said like the straight thing that I thought I was supposed to say, and it was gross. I was like, I should just fucking said Nicole Kidman. I also used to lie and say I loved Limp Biscuit. I was baptized by the bassist in Limp Biscuits father, So I'm sorry if you're listening. Yeah, but I kept thinking to myself like I was like, thinking, back, did

anyone actually like likelymp Biscuit? I guess they must have people definitely Likelympiscuit. Okay, okay, you're right. I also had a babysitter that I thought was cool. It was kind of like your sister's friend. Her name was Mickey. Her name was Michelle, but everyone called him Mickey, So there you go. And she loves Creed and so I bought several Creed albums and then I still owned them years later when it was like great, when they were like

a full punchline. Wow, sisters, I'm huge it's huge. Sisters are huge, and just friends are huge, especially if they're older, older teenage girls who are cool and funny and yeah, it's it's it's a thing and not to like bring this into it, but like for for immigrants, like families, older sisters who had essentially white friends who like were tapped into that because that's that was like the funnel for me was like, Okay, this is the source and

it's all coming down to like this very specific upbringing I have, but anyway, um dying to know about that I don't. Well, it was just like, um, the first time I ever heard about fucking like um like Mandy Moore was like through like like it was like white friends, white friends, like peripherally white female friends that I could only that I could I could only befriend through my sister and so that was it. So yeah, I mean

the paths are all different, you guys. Well the ideal it's like my first Alicia Silverstone, it was like I need to know everything? Can can someone explain everything? So there is that? Yeah, I mean she's that's what I wish would would just be everywhere still and what's the movie she's going to be in coming up like it's like, oh, she's like a mom diary. Yeah yeah, hell yeah. You know there was a movie that came in a couple of years ago with her and I think Kristin rittterd

that Amy Heckerling directed. It was called Vamps and christ Johnson's in it. Yes, yes, I didn't see it. No, And I was like, I remember hearing that it was going to be a thing, and then I was like, oh, that'll be big because Amy Heckerling and Elisia silvastone. That will be a big deal that they get back together. And then I don't know. I guess whoever just decided they weren't gonna just never became a story. And I guess it just didn't get enough publicity for people to

come out and see it. So I feel like it didn't even come out. Maybe it didn't. Maybe it went straight to home video or straight straight to the web. But wherever things go. Now, well, you know what, Alicia's fine, Amy sine Alicia Isn't you know what? There's a new movie with Anna has in Sandra, Oh yeah, with them beating the ship out of each other. Did you see it? Have you seen it? Have you seen it? I walked out. Really, I was so excited. Yeah, yeah, it seems like it's

going to be great. It should have been. I love those two actresses so much. Come on, it is written by an idiot. Like it's just not It's like the

dialogue was horrendous. I could not believe it. The production design like it was it's not just like it's low bud yet like I could make it look so much better unfolded like it was so I don't know, it was very disappointing seeing like extremely good actresses have to say such shitty lines and like I was like always already I was so down for it to be like not great. They just get to do something juicy and

like beat each other up. I didn't get that far because I really had such a bad feeling about it. Was it was it was offensive or was just bad just bad. It was just bad. It was like it was it was like it was very like it was like it's like watching a Paul verhoevean thing, but like with like less skill. It's like like like a director who like and you do you hate each other but you love each other, like you could just feel like like a man, a straight man, like pitting women against

each other and and I just it was stupid. Well that guy like that, the director, but he's apparently this huge dirtbag. Yeah there was yeah, yeah, yeah, an Hash and Sandra Oh, and the last time he was on the show was plugging some other film where and he just got shitfaced and like was belligerent and like trying to get in a fight with fucking with fucking Doug.

And then they and he got kicked out, and so they came on again to promote this movie, the three of them, and it ended up with the director and Anne Hash getting kicked out again because it was such and she was just being very um. She was really I guess, on edge about the way he had been treated last time, and that was kind of clear, and

she was very defensive from the beginning. I actually listened to it and Sandra is kind of sitting there quietly the whole time, kind of just behaving and there to promote the movie and they had made such a spectacle. The director gets kicked out almost immediately, and then a Haitia's kind of just being just kind of being a jerk, like trying to turn herself on and doing and she's trying to do bits and stuff, but like, just she

fails catastrophically. Meanwhile, Sandrah is charming and great and nice and like and they get kicked off and then they're like, I'm He's kind of like, so what's up? And she's like, look, I just want to talk about the movie. I'm excited about the movie. Let's just talk about it. And then they had a great interview, just the two of them. Honestly, it made me. It made me watch the trailer. I hadn't heard about it before. You know what, you gotta get out there and you gotta get that trailer on

people's screens. If it means fighting publicly on podcasts, so we should start a fighting we shoulder fight on the on the pod to promote wait are you shooting? Search party in New York? And I'm coming right back. You're coming right back. I set off the off the air before we started. John is the Prodigals sone of New York show. I'm so excited. Tickets on sale for a Bellhouse. Yeah great, because of like today great, get your oh as of today, which I don't know what today means

in podcast world. Well, you know they'll have been on sale if you're listening, so get them now from you never know what happens. Um. I love the show too. I'm obsessed with Meredith. She's what's her story? Like, she's like not a comedic actress before this, I mean like what she's yeah know, she's like a proper actress, like she is a North Carolina girl. But she did like

she did soap opera. She moved to New York at like nineteen and was like I think maybe as the world turns, I'm not sure one of them, but she did a soap opera for really long time. She has this an amazing story about like she got nominated for a daytime atmy and she like she didn't know that you could choose your clip like that they show when

they're announcement. I didn't know that either. So like they're doing all the nominees and everyone's is like like super like eyes full of tears, like really dramatic scenes, and then like it got to hers and she literally was just like she's like, mom, I want to have sex. And she was like twenty four playing a like seventeen year old anyway, but yeah, she's so she's really done, Like she she's to like do musicals. I think audition

for music. She's like a proper like hit the Pavement in New York actor girl, and like it's all worked out because she really is she. I just can't wait for people to cast her in like beautiful romantic comedies. She can do so much more, but I just feel like she is so magnetic and like Meg Ryan, Yeah, yeah, she would excel in that. And we need in the media.

We need Meg. We do need type. If you think about it, who is out there that's doing the romantic comedies because I missed going to see its romance comedies. I love a good solid romo. And then I guess there was Katherine Heigel there for a few years, and then that for whatever reason, didn't didn't pan out. But now there's really didn't pan am and now there's like the Sandra Bullock, Sandra Well, yeah, Sandra Bullock, not to not too not too long ago, too long ago. I

think the proposal was long ago. Okay, you know what was it like two thousand and six, and no, I think I saw it when I was you know, it was the same year as Blindside. I think it was because she was and this is like I'm a little bit of an awards gay. So she was nominated two times in a year and a proposal and I think the blind Side, and she walked away with the Globe for the Best Actress in the Drama one, which also now Oscar and Oscar actually, yes, you know, and I

will bravely say that that was Gabbaret, says Oscar. Absolutely, of course you disagree, though I don't have an opinion. That was like, that was a pretty boring best actress here. That was Carrie Mulligan. Yeah, for an education? What wait? Who else? That was Gabbarette? Carrie Mulligan, Santra Bullock, Meryl Streep for Julie and Julia I'm asleep, Okay, I know. And then there was one more and I can not possibly remember who it was. Can we guess it? Okay?

Imagine if Brett just turned around and knew it, I

would be like, okay, well, you're my fav Now. We were talking about Feudre earlier and I was like, I didn't know who had a Hopper was until this is the Show's like I knew about Hannah and Luanne and Luella Luella Pulla Parsons, and I was like original gossip Diva's what drives me nuts is when you say that they're allowed to pick their clip, because my least favorite thing is when the hip show and they cut to the actor and they make this face like, oh God,

can you believe how awful I am? Jesus, I'm so embarrassed. I'm hum I'm really a humble person. But it's worth that's at least there than like, yeah, yeah, you're right, listeners can't see that's doing a stoic. Just compute Melissa Melissa well Tony. When Tony was nominated, her clip was the car scene, but they didn't use any of the dialogue.

It was just her tearing up. So it is Hayley Jolasma talking and she was like and then it cut to her and she was with her parents and like and she and she was like so embarrassed and and and hilariously embarrassed. Who's being funny about it? But that year I know that category so well because I was her manager that so it was like it was her in the sixth sense. Angela and Julie can you fill it out? Can you give it? Was there? A? Joan Allen? Was she nominated? Was that wrong? Let's let's see if

it gets there. I'm pretty sure I know. I don't think it was John Allen. She may have been nominated for the Contender. Wait wait, wait, was the Vanessa Redgrave in there? Or lindd Grave? Okay, this is not a year I know. I'll give you a couple more. Katherine Keener being jumped out of it, which that nomination blows my mind in the best way. Yeah, I love it. It's it's she's so amazing, Samantha Morton sweet, and finally, oh my god, it's so incredible. The fifth one was

always seventy Boys Don't Cry. Okay, wow, that might be my favorite category ever. That's Best Supporting. It was Best Actress, which is always my best supporting Actresses. Where it's at for me, I couldn't give a ship less about Best Supporting Actor. One thing about this sl A trip that's really like stuck to me. I was over at a friend's house and there's just a bunch of fun little

ship is gays. The thing that they do is they whip out the heads up on the phone and they have a deck that's just Best Actress and Best Supporting Actress winners. And I was just like out of my element. I was just like, oh, and you know what, I've accepted this on this trip and it's a beautiful part of my journey. I was like, I'm never going to be that. That's that's so fine. Okay, here we go.

Oh here in the last station. That's the which honestly, like this podcast cares listen, I've been I have the DVD, So the last Station, I've never seen it. What's it about? I have no idea, but I was like I was like with an old teacher from Minoia was like at her apartment one time and then I was like I was like, oh, blast station, and she's like, do you want to borrow it? And I literally just like was so I cared about her opinion way too much now

because I absolutely didn't want to borrow. And I've had it for now, like eight years. I've never seen I'm scrolling through this now just looking at who's one, and I guess they ordinarily get it right. I mean it was it was Gaberet precious, Gaberete precious. I thought I seen. My thing is it comes to Oscars. It's like, did you give the performance that no one else could give?

It's like that's kind of my It's like, did you put your individual unique stamp on this and that makes it worthy of really raising up and saying everyone should see this. And for me, like Gabbaret, I Precious, that was like a very special thing. Sandra, you can cast a thousand actresses in that part, and that's exactly that, because all you really have to be is an actress to do it. I mean, I'm not saying that Sandra

isn't amazing. I think she's fucking amazing. But you know, sometimes like I get that it's an industry thing and it's a show and it's entertainment. Well also just like politically, like give it to Gabby, make a statement and with that criterion of just if no one else can, if you're the only person who could play this role, and that's what you're saying, if you left your individual stamp on this role, I would say Gabby too, because who

else would have played Precious? That? I mean, and I just there, well, first of all, there is no one that we know and now, and she's actually had a good career, She's done lots of great stuff. She's been amazing, And the thing is, like I even thought last year, like I when they said Emi Stone was going to win an Oscar for Land, which they said like eight months before, like screened at something festival, and they were like,

it'll be hard to beat her for the Oscar. In fact, I think, yep, the industry has already decided that's the way it's going to go. That means you have the best publicist. You're paying like eight thousand a month at least for a publicist. That's happening. I'm sure that's how

it works. But then it's just like, you know, months later, they're like, by the way, a Net Benning is in a movie that's fucking amazing, and it's like, oh, but we already decided it's gonna be Emma, so so good now yea, And nothing against I actually like I come to Emi Stones defense a lot. I thought she was great. I mean, she's one of your closest friends. She's definitely

we're very close. We of course, um we briefly met on Stone Street when I was working at a bar called Ulysses and she was filming The Amazing Spider Man outside on the street and she came into use the bathroom and I pointed, are in the direction. Ever since then, it's just been a magical carousel. Um No. But I thought she was good in the movie, and people came for her singing. I was like, yeah, but who can sing really? Who can sing? Really? Kendrick? Would you rather

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spilled the t What was he like on set? John and John and Rue share a moment on the season's animals on HBO tell us everything. Well, um, it's it's a live action episode of a typically animated series, and it's nivat. Yes, it's very Um. The tone of this is very like kind of like Scooby Doo like evil scientists like and um and I and so RuPaul plays this like evil scientists who's developing this like pill for civilization?

And I am I am his like assistant, like like like nervous gay assistant who also might have some evil motivations of his own. I feel like when you talk about RuPaul, you always want you want him to be like this like person on set giving out stage advice and like really talking and was it that or was he just like, oh yeah, that's a person like you. No, he's one hundred percent the giving the stage of it.

They're like moments where like over here rubying like I'm a medium and when I'm going to train in New York City, I pick up people's energy and if someone in pain, I feel that pain, you know, and he's an EmPATH and uh, but no, but it was I was so nervous. I mean, I'm typically very good around my heroes, Like I'm good at just kind of being um,

very transparently a fan of them. Like I think it's the better approach to be like, you know, I worship you, rather than being like coy and yeah um and and yeah, so I I was, but I was very nervous around him, and like the first moment of shooting, I immediately, like I did on this podcast, I immediately made it about weight because I like, there's an issue with my costume or something where like the wrong size suit was like brought to set or something, and I was like, I

was like popping out, and I was like and it just made me feel insecure. And then it's like the first moment with RuPaul, I was like, oh, I just its like vomiting out of me. I was. I was like, well, first of all, I'm a cow. I was like. I was like, you're a lagoon. I was like, you're a string bean. And he goes, he goes, he goes, I do not need your life story and like a shady way or very funny. He was absolutely sensing that I was just like talking out of my asks and it

was so stupid. But and so that was so that was so hilarious and then like so then of course I was like wildly intimidating, like John, please calm down. And then and then you know, on a break or something, he was like where you from? And I was like Nashville And we started talking about country music. He knows like every man drall sister, you know, like he's he's

so like it throws that reference out all the time. Yeah, and uh so we talked about we talked about country and then and then you know, he was like later he was like, um now, what's like what's happening John? Is it happening for you? Like are you like are you auditioning or whatever. And I was I was like, I'm gonna be honest with you. Ru Paul I was like it's happening. Yeah. Like I was like, I'm not gonna be honest. I was like, I was like, it is popping and uh and and he and he loved that.

He was like that, so that was good. That's that was when I kind of broke through. And then you know, and then we spent two days together like shooting the stuff and and it was very Oh. Then he was like at one point, he's like, what's your favorite movie? And I was like, oh, God, like it's just such a dream to be talking about movies at all with Paul. I was like, and I kind of got in my head. I was like, oh, I don't know, it's like there are so many. He's like, I do not need your

life story. And then he was like and then I was like clock Watchers and then he was like cackling by the fact that I liked Watchers um, and and then we started so I started telling about Tony and I did like we started talking about just like I was like, you know, I I see. I was like, it's so funny to me when people talk about their influences.

Like when I think about like actors talking about their influence, it's always like al Pacino, you know, and like but it's literally it's like Tony Collette and like about a boy. It's like it's like, look, meaning, I'm doing moment for a moment Tony in certain things, like I can feel myself physically like just facially doing Tony, like that's what

I associate with, like dramatic scenes or something. And because she's like all I've really exposed myself to like dramatically because everything else is like I'm obsessed with comedians, you know. So and he was like, he was, I see Tony and what youre do? I see that? And then I was like and then he was like, I'm doing purely Faye today. And we start talking about you know, and we talked about what he's doing on drag Race like

reference wise and like it was just really fun. And he was like, you know, we were talking about like people, you know, like it's so fun to like diagnose whose people's influences are. He was like, you know what Shair is doing And I was like, oh, and he's like Elvis. I was like, it's so genius. That's so true. So we had we had a lot of fun kind of doing like reference lineage together, and then we were talking

about Fade. I was talking about this interview that with Fate Dunaway where she's like on a bad and it's like in Ken it's like probably the early eighties ly seventies, and she's like she's smoking a cigarette, like a tender interview, and she's like she keeps trying to prove that she knows French because because the interviewer is French, so she'll say things like um, she's like sorry, sorry, can you

close the door? And like and there's one part where she says literally just avec, which is with She's like she's like, um, like, I mean, I don't even know what the sentences, but she's like I did this one movie with um. She literally says with other with yeahah yeah with thin. It's so genius. But I was telling Rue about that and he was like dying and then so I was like, oh, I have to get him

that link, you know, and then um you know. And then and then when it was over, like he was walked by when I was leaving, he was like he was like John he's like forty ft away. He was like, email me at like and we'll get lunch New York City. And then and by the way, that email doesn't work. I shouldn't have said that, but because I did, I went and I sent the email last I said the email, Oh my god, I should weep it out, thank you.

But I emailed the email with the fadaway LINKO. Such a dream working with you, like true hero and you know, and and then immediately bounced back. But I do I don't think it was intentional. Obviously, I think he I think he was being very generous and very Sweden. But but it is funny. I just don't know the proper email. Well, hey, but no, you really just connected with him though, despite whatever,

despite that email situation. Oh my god, that's I love hearing that he's a great guy because I feel like so often now as as you know friends and like you know, you just get to know people in the industry more, it's so often so disappointing, and for someone like RuPaul that would be really crushing. Yeah, oh yeah,

that would be too much. He was so he's very powerful, like like and he also he was on like a a set with like a lot of like people were really being respectful of him, and like they knew that this was like a big day that they were going to work with Paul, you know, but it still was like it's a pretty straight show, Like it's like a

comedy like hetero show. So there was something interesting about like RuPaul in that environment, like where I was like do people fully understand like how special this is because you know so many people I don't think people always refer if people think like gay culture is low culture, and so it's like it's it's like this is a person that's entirely an icon in a real way, like you're an icon, like the like the way the way you throw it around, Like that's he's the real legend

yea and very intelligent and like has through just like decades of being a public figure, has a kind of developed a philosophy you know that it's like very helpful to people. Yeah, anyway, but it was it was interesting. He's very powerful and intimidating, but like he's also very like he was extremely curious and like we just talked a lot, Like it was so nice that he was like willing to in like the downtime, like the fact that he was like just totally down to like dissect

faten away. You know, it's like it's so on the nose. But it was so fun. But also, like I forgot to tell you this. The when we would have like long breaks and we'd go back into holding, he had his own We were like shooting in this weird like space like a studio where like they do like procedurals, and I was like, we're holding was in a fake courtroom and he had his own like his own little dressing room that was like a judge's office or something.

And he but because it's a studio, there's no ceiling, so you can hear everything like that's going on in the other rooms. And on every single break he watches the Golden Girls. That is perfect. Yeah, well and end I've heard anecdotes about it being Judge Judy on on some days, being Golden Girls on other days. And now I think he's on this dirty rock kick. Oh that's what I'm on talking about talking about NonStop or you're just watching I'm I'm it's so deeply comforted. It's my

go to. It's so good. I mean, I remember you posted Reliable, Remember you posted like a few months ago, just from the pilot episode when Jane just but just singing, yeah, my judge VP, I don't watch Veep. Yeah, yeah, I gotta do it. I are you up on this season of drag Race? No, I have watched the season. Well, speaking of drag Race and speaking of row Um, we've like it's been well documented on this podcast, like what

are like what room means to us? Like this is sort of a broad question, but like just what is rooming to you? Like with your I guess like upbring just because like we've talked a lot about ruse philosophies remaining consistent over years you can really release you, Yeah, I think, I mean, for example, like and stuff that I do. I feel like this is bizarre, but a lot of people agree with me about this. It's like they kind of like don't give a funk, like truly

don't take your life too seriously. There's something about when RuPaul said it and just all these mantras that I was given. It's this is like insane, But we talked

about this in Nicole Sufferberg. It's the closest I've felt to ever like feeling like I had like not a religion, but something to go by, whereas like there are things I can say and like remember that remember when you wake up in the morning, like like be a light and he says all the time, So like yeah, I mean I feel like and he that can really set you free in your work too, like in the way

you're performing the way right, do you feel like? I guess the question is do you feel that way about RuPaul? Like has RuPaul like guided you in some way? Yeah?

In some ways? Like I mean, well, when I was little, I was so one of to go back to the literal very first question of the podcast, like the Brady Bunch was so important and and him his seen as Miss Cummings the therapist and with Jan was like so monumental, and I was like, something is happening here that's like very deeply smart and like satirical, but there's also a real sweetness to it, because it's like the way that that movie position Jan as like a gay icon, and

she is like the heart of that movie. She's like like the climax of the movie is her running away and there the whole family like going to get her and like and there's all that stuff, but it's the New jam Brady and her putting on like the Afro way and then like on the streets of l A, Like it's just I don't know that was that was. And there's something about RuPaul being the guidance Counselor that I feel like it's just so like divinely placed. It's

like it's very special and sweet. And so I was always in love with that scene and always like transfixed about RuPaul was obsessed with you know, supermodel and whatever.

Um and then and I loved her VH one talk show. Yeah, it was just such a nice moment in the sequel of Brady Budge too, when they run into her at the pool and her two daughters are theresha just that she had daughters, Like, it's so great also for RuPaul to be the guidance counselor and now she truly is the guidance counselor and like mother so many people Um.

John mentioned, uh, just over the break that you guys shot that for the Animal for Animals two days before the election, so then you just blocked that out for me, Yeah, it just literally disappeared. And then in the past couple of weeks when I was like, oh, it's coming out. It's like that was very special. It was a nice couple of days. Um, but yeah, when we felt so confident. Yeah, just thank me for you said something before that that

actually I didn't realize about myself too. But when people ask about comedic influences, I can very rarely really articulate what they are. But I can name like dramatic influence. Says that affected me comedically, Like that's very much a thing I think maybe for a lot of a lot of gays. Yeah, totally, that's just that's very real and

I'm not surprised that. But when you can pull from Tony and like your comedy, absolutely, But when you say that you can't name a specific comedic influence, is that because it's like it just maybe honestly, maybe it's a thing of being truly because when I was having them, when I was in high school, I was so aware that they were gay and needed to keep them a secret. Like I couldn't just say like, oh, Sandra Bernhard and all her albums, you know what I mean. That wasn't

something I could just toss out. I was like, oh that everyone's saying the Simpsons, Okay, cool, the Simpsons I never watched The Simpsons. I recently saw Sandra Bernhard on it on the subway, and I had the moment where I was like, am I gonna tell her what she means to me? I was like, she doesn't want to be bothered. I don't think it's it's hard to do it.

I didn't because maybe if it was a situation where I was working with them, um, I would tell people what they meant to me or something, and UM no, that's that's fair. Yeah, And the thing is like, but also I did something with Jerry Seinfeld years ago and it was more about like, remember it was comedians and cars getting coffee. I was on one of Tiny I was on two episodes of it, and I was playing with this is It was so insane. It was Jerry

and Creamer. It was Michael Richards and Jerry Seine and I was like playing the assistant and I was like watching them go back and forth and I'm like, this right here is like something else. And then at the end it just kind of came out of my mouth. I was like, you know, my parents will kill me if I don't get a picture. And I didn't mean to say, but that's genuinely what it is. That was like remember being five years old and like listening to like from the next room, like hearing my parents laugh

at that and whenever. And then really I had I didn't work with I was very intimidated by him, I think because he felt like another generation. And then I did a very short thing with Lena Dunham and it was like very a casual and I was like, see this. Maybe it's because she was closer to my age. But I didn't feel like the need of like I need to be very nervous or anything like that. Maybe that's just getting older. Jerry didn't shake your hand. He didn't

shake my hand. Yeah, did you? I was out fully. I was like, hey, he actually cast me. So he was in the casting room and then he offered his hand. No, I offered my hand. I was like, thank you so much, and he was like, I don't really, I'm a little I'm you know, I'm sick. It was just as if he was making an excuse, and I was like, oh, that's fine, Like this is my writing partner. Went to shake his hand, same, I don't. I was like, really, neither of you going to shake my hands. I was

like okay. It just it just felt like, okay, cool, great, these people don't shake hands. And then with Lena Dunham, it's like a hug and she's like, I'm a huge fan. I'm like, you're not, but like you know you're not. But it's speaking of you guys. Girls came to an end last night. We ran into John at a bar a couple of days ago, and then John was like, what's the theme for the appen and then I just I just girls, girls, and then you just laughed. You're like, yeah, whatever,

Oh my god. Girls though fun. It was. I didn't watch it. It was it was good. It was it was very I mean, I actually was pretty satisfied with the way that it ended. But I'm gonna love it anyway because I also know that a large part of it is like it's not going to satisfy everything. It's like with the end of every show, not every finale is going to be a big little eyes people universally perfect. I know. It's amazing how they did that. They really

pulled it off. It's so satisfying. Were you loving it the whole time or whole Yeah, from the second start they were there were I mean, I was completely on board. There were things that like major red flags that like if they weren't within something that was so great, I would probably be upset about what do you think of the Greek chorus, like the like, well, that's exactly it.

Like that's something that like I should have been so annoyed by, like Madeline, let's just say she didn't, you know, like but that, but I didn't care, Like I was totally on board for that. And then like like the lip sinking is absolutely unforgivable. It's not it's a horrible choice. I'm it's a horrible choice. And Zoe Kravitz should not have sung that well or like as comfortable. It's like it would have been so much interesting if all three of them who are saying actually did it, I mean

Zoe did it, the men did not. But if they had actually done I'm not saying this was their choice, by the way, because I know Adam Scott's listening. He's obsessed with me. But like, but those people, like the fact that they who were the people they hired to sing for the men, because that was humiliating an HBO

should be a changed of themselves. It was weird. Also, like it's I did read the novel and it's a full departure from the novel they called it trivia and in the show all year, and the fact that then they were all working on their elvis impressions and we're going to perform, I was like, is this a joke

that the show is making it? Really? And but in the book they literally do a trivia night, oh with trivia with trivia, and they talk about how, you know, we should Jane's really good at trivia, We're lucky she's on our team. And Perry apparently is good in trivia in the book. But then in the show they call

it Trivia Night all all series. And then there's like these weird performances which do not happen in the book and don't need to happen in the show, which makes me think was it a thing where it was just

specifically to showcase soe Kravitz singing interesting. I mean, I liked the idea of like seeing parents out of their comfort zones performing, but like that, then the second they started singing, they completely abandoned that because their voices were like uniformly beautiful, and we're like the voices of someone who's been singing on the road for thirty five years, Like what like you could have had? You could have either had Adam Scott and what's his face? Who cares? Yeah?

I mean I love Adam, but that an other guys slow down? He talked so fast every scene. I was like, I don't know what he's saying. Oh wow, I didn't even fat. Also might be an accent thing. I think he might not be in an American Were you have a problem with honey and were you hearing Nicole's Australian accent? Because yeah, but you always do a little bit. Okay, she doesn't. I'd rather do I'd rather she also had slipp during those dramatic things, and especially in the car

scene and finale. I'd rather have what Nicole has than what Kate Winslet does, which is I'm American, right, I'm speaking in this way? Are ours and revolutionary? Wrote? It was? It was very it was very over the top, but yeah, Nicole, I could kind of hear the lilt, and I think when people were like, oh yeah, the therapy scenes are so relatable. My Australian accent always slips out when I'm in therapy. I literally know what tweet Hi Joel, Well it wasn't Joel, it was Joe Castle Baker. But Joe

probably did tweet about that. But I meant in my head, I meant Joe, And yeah, honestly, yes, I did like that tweet. It was. It was a good one. It was a good one. But I, in my like gay impulse of like my eleven year old who feels like he can't say Nicole Kim and Mulan Rouge, was like, what the fund are you talking about? She's perfect? But not at all. I stayed clear away from that one. Oh my god, No, what am I gonna do? Like Defendicle Kiman's honor on Phase Destroy your Friendship? Has been

some annoying call out posts, haven't they of of late? Oh? Sure, sure, sure, some New York specific stuff. You don't have to worry about it, John, Yeah, things are different from me here in the garbage. I mean, there's there's a lot more sunlight, there's a lot more happiness than her, a lot more interest, more interest and exercise. Can I just say that my favorite to me, the single funny is performance in Big Little Eyes was the therapist Robert Wiger because her, just

like her absolute stillness. Yeah, Like the more than steaks rose, the more she was like elongated spine and like her head was like slightly turned and like it was like when she was like I wish your listeners could see me because you are doing It's like it's just she's like just find a place and like it's it's so funny, and it's like and you can see her morning of you can see her like with her husband being like

it's Nicol to day. It's a Nicol day. Well, listen, she played a fucking uh statue in Angels in America and she was Calamity Jay and in Deadwood. All right, I saw well I went to her website. It's amazing. It's just like it's like it was designed by someone who went to like No Sea College of Art and Tennessee strange reference. But it's like it's like so it's tough. Oh wow, but it's yeah, it's just someone who's just

like it's not her fault. It's just like the time of her being like, oh I should a manager is probably you should get a website, and it's like it's so funny. It's been left untouched since. Yeah, it's been untouched since like probably two thousand and eight. Her biggest credit is her like two episodes unlost. Was she unlost? She was? She's really like an actor's actor, Yeah she was. She's like a Sarah Paulson before Sarah Paulson became Sarah Paulson.

She's going to get more work now for sure. Yeah. She's amazing. And that's all. The casting on the show was pretty great besides you know, yeah, I agree with you, Nathan, who cares, but but also kind of genius to like not care about the men, to like to make the men just like less interesting, And whether that be through the writing, through this or the casting, it's just like, yeah, it's it was absolutely just about like relishing in those women. Yeah, it was so good. I love that. Laura Dern for

for the win, forever for the win. I was on board. I think the second Reese where this one started limping, it really didn't matter what else happened. I was like, Okay, yeah, this is this is it for me. She could be at anything and I'd be she was so great. She was so great, so great. John, what's next? Baby? What are you get going on? Um? What do I have? Well, we're gonna go shoot some search party. I got some real fund stuff to do. I just heard about them.

Oh my god. I literally was like, I'm missing the table read Why no, no, it's tomorrow. Oh my god. I was like, oh my god, um wow, no, I would see tap one of five apps? Great? But um yeah, Kate and I are working on a on a show together and I'm so excited about and I hope the world gets to see it. And it's just something that you're working on now, yes, okay, we're like we've written something. We're hoping we get to make it. So I really hope, I really hope it's I've never met her. I think

she's so amazing. She's a star. She's a full star. Like I watched her in that show and I'm like the Academy Award. I know she's an Academy Award. The banana videos. Oh my god. How have we gone this long without saying I haven't talked about it? Should you should be so proud of you. D p all those, honey, I shoot them, honey, we can see them together. But it rests on her performance. Of course, I would retire on them. Okay, that would be from me. The cap in the gown. Can we ask this, like, how did

the premises are? Do those organically? Well, it very organically happened because we were in the Vancouver Airport, so stoned. We were on tour together and we were like and she she had a banana, and she just like she always we have a joke that we always do together where we just like we'll be talking and I'm like, oh sorry, and we'll just take a fake call. It's like it's like a good way, like if someone's talking about something that's like very sincere, it's just funny for

us to be like so. And then we always like pretended to the other person's manager and always we're like we're like, yeah, I'm with her right now, and I'm like I'm like, oh god, okay, I'll tell her. And then she's like what is I'm like, I can't get into it. It's like it's like our favorite thing to do. And so she started doing that with the banana, and I was like I was laughing so hard and then you know, and so I just started like but people

in the line, we're laughing. It was very sweet. And then and then we were I just shot her doing the one of like We're the first one where she's just kind of like you just said I love you, and it was just it was killing me. It was so funny. And then once we did that one, we were like, we should do we should just like follow

the relationship. And the second one was the was the rose rose flowers and she just had she had those roses in the apart where she was staying and so like we'll use these and then and then it was more just about like trying. Once we did those were like, it's always just about doing that kind of like smalling and it's like like like rom calm, yeah, like dramedy, like rom drum, like yeail you guys, nail it. I think my favorite moments of five five five are in

a series of amazing moments. It's definitely you guys on the bed as the sectors. I think that's so much you getting the number wrong is it's pretty perfect. You don't get better than that. And also the scene where Kristin Johnson's like, yeah, just put it wherever the fuck you watch. I feel like I hear someone start to

laugh in the back. We were laughing so much. I can't imagine being on set with her and especially doing that scene that you guys do where she gets on the floor in front of you guys watch five five. Thank you. I'm not gonna you know, I'm not gonna fucking ruin the whole thing. Please please watch ship, figure out episodes and then you know what, catch some acting reels while you're there. I actually have a great thing

to show you, guys. Well not well, actually there's nowhere you're gonna find this because I don't know what it's called. But I'll figure out a way and then maybe you

can tack it onto the episode. There's a real company r e L. There are real companies, I'm sure plural, but I found one on YouTube and it is a treasure trove where it's a real service where you they like provide the kind of generic scenes like a courtroom scene, like a quirky friends scene, a romantic scene, and they shoot like, we found it because Kate, now we're watching this girl that we know, we're watching her reel because you know, late whatever, and and we were like what

it was like so eerie, We couldn't figure out why, were like what the hell is and like and then we were like, oh, they've they literally haven't cut away from her. It's not cutting between two people. It's just one shot and there's like a shoulder in the frame to be like the other person. But it's like, it's clearly it's either a literal dummy or it's like an intern who's like yeah, We're like, it's clearly not an

accurate Something just felt false about it. And then we realized every scene was that, like, there was never cutting to the other person. And then we looked at the the YouTube account that was making it and it was like, all these generic reels is the funniest in the world and it's on YouTube. Good. I think that's a new word. Warm hole. We can stembal on a couple. Well, we'll just we'll just do a wide net search of real coming and then we'll just shoot them over. You're right

to confirm. Okay, Oh my god. M So, now this is it. This is where we've gone to the it's the moment. This is I don't think so, honey. We take one minute to rail against something in culture that's bothering us. Um. Matt John is alluded to his John is alluded to his previously, Matt, do you have anything. I don't have anything. You know I have one. Okay, alright, I have one. All right, let's like, let's get one minute. Okay, this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so honey. One

minute on the clock. Time starts now. I don't think so honey cloth napkins at restaurants. I want a paper napkin. You don't know what I need. I might have to blow my nose and I don't feel comfortable blowing my nose in a cloth napkin. You want to know why, because I guess you're gonna reuse it. I mean, I would imagine if you're paying the money. I don't think so honey. What you know what, take the money, put him into something else, get better quality food. How about that?

I want paper. I don't think so honey cloth. Also, you know what, I'm sorry, bougie, just like, just dress it down, bring it back, bring it back to basics. You know what if you give me a cloth napkin and the just it's a plastic table, there's a disconnect there. I work in a restaurant. I'm industry, so I feel like I can give you this advice. Make it work, make everything match. If you're gonna charge me for a King crab leg I don't want to eat it on

a paper plate. And then don't tell me this is casual fine dining, this is it's it's adver So I don't think so. I've had allergies while I've been here. The restaurants went the cloth napkins, and I didn't know what to do. I had to go in the bathroom for toilet paper. I don't think so. And that's one minute. Wow missive against the restaurant industry. Wow. Um, I agree, And that to me is culture because I've been very involved in the restaurant industry for about ten years, and

you know what best practices. We're trying to get out. We're trying to. We're trying to get out very badly, but we're trying to. It's around the corner. We have our toes dipped into the tour guide industry. Okay, it's called the Ride. It's in New York. Okay, you've probably seen it. It's like a big sideways busy. So it was originated by Darcy Carden and Timothy Done. Yes. Um, and it's just evolved into this great thing now. It's like it's like they get a lot of UCB people

to do it. It's like, yeah, they put two comedians on a bus and call of tour guides and they're like, oh, no, enough about the city that when you've lie by you can say like when when it was built or like some dates about and then just make a bunch of like jokes about it. And now I'm thinking, because I'm starting to get the point where I can't really do

the waiting tables thing anymore. The other day, a woman has some quirk in her wine and she's like, I have some quirk amount wine and I was like, does it matter? And she was like, yes, I should have been fired. But hanging on um. But the thing is, I've now heard that the tour guide stuff, it's actually not that hard and it's pretty easy to get a

license and you make great tips. So so we'll say, hopefully we'll have to come to that, but you know, and then hopefully someone videotapes you on the tour exactly, you get a series, someone else you should ep tour guide series. I'd be honestly, I would be honored to put my name on it. I just know time wise, for me, it's not gonna really work. I can't kind of get my hands dirty in the way that exactly actually like within a creative process. But literally my name

is which is really what matters. Right by the way, guys, it will have aired by now, but last week you'll have seen me on Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? Wow, I didn't do that. Oh serious, Yeah, it's gonna well, it's airing on. You know what, It's not bad five case, a few dinners recommended by me here there you know, five ks us hitting up Connie and Ted's again. There you go. I get that sea. You did it on

a seafood place. Move on, can do taste change? Do taste taste Sushika Sushi Park is gonna be expensive one Okay, you're gonna go to Sushi Park. You got to get a reservation. You're gonna docai. Do you know what that means? I just learned too, Sweetie talk to me when the chef just makes whatever is fresh. And I had to say I said no raw shellfish because I literally just spiritual. I was like, no, freaks me out. You might be

fine with that. I'm good with it. Yeah. So, but like, but it was the best sushi I've ever had, hands down, And it's just and they and they know it's just so nice. Wow, wow, we're making Where's that? And where's chin? Your taste? Monterey Park is in and um sushi parks in West Hollywood. Fun, fun fun. We'll go, but you're not gonna where. I'm gonna leave with the list. You know what I mean? Yes, yes, yes, absolutely, I can't talk. Um. Okay, I think I'll go. Time for you, Okay, I think

I have something. Yes, I'm good, all right, this is I don't think so honey, end time starts now, I don't think so honey. Talkative lift drivers here. One guy yesterday was just like the browiest Broun was trying to talk to me about baseball and the Dodgers, and I was like, sir, I I'm so sorry, I'm listening to this new song. Please leave me be. But he kept pushing yah yah siel puig onto me, you guys pueek, And I knew, Now I know shit about this person, and I don't want. I don't. I don't have the

real estate in my brain to know anything about. Yes, yelp, he's the hot head of the Dodgers. About how he had a promising start when he was first picked and but now he you know, he's batting what like, he's batting seventy something. I don't know baseball. I don't know what these stats. I mean, I don't know what these metrics are. I don't think so, honey, do not push this hetero narrative onto my trip here. I don't think so, honey. Lift drivers who man, and I had to become a

terrifying lift driver around right here. She was swerving and twirling and and just trying to plug her Stacy Renee, her her Airbnb substitute business. I don't think, so, honey, talkative lift drivers. And that's what's one listen coming soon to you in l A with Stacy Renee. She has got a name for it. It's gonna be um. Not only is it going to be an airb it's going to be a destination. She's gonna hang out with you the whole time, set up dinner, she'll serve you. She'll

have activities for the kids back at the airbnb. She'll have jump ropes, she'll have um kiddie pool. She has it all planned out, but logistically not feasible. And she detailed all this as she was driving us wildly. I was like, this is crazy. It was. That's the thing about l A two is like you take a lot

of lifts and you get who you get. You get who you get Today the guy goes, he goes, um, he's putting on the navigation, and it was it was like not agreeing with him, and he goes just like all women, right, she doesn't listen, and Bone just goes Okay. I think, yeah, what you did, you had you had likely and he was always proud and then he goes yeah. He immediately goes sorry, Yeah, so they're learning. Um, John, this is your moment. I can't wait for I can't

wait for this. Oh my god, you don't have to lose. It doesn't have to be what you I think he has to. I think it's okay. It's written in bloods So we have the time in front of John. This is John Earl's I don't think so, honey, time starts now, I don't think so Anna listen. And this is why I am by the way, as you know, RuPaul, just like it's like the Twitter. The Twitter cloud has increased so heavily in the past two years. I know that I am risking a lot by talking about this okay,

but to me, it's worth it. You named your memoir scrappy little nobody, scrappy little noblement. No, no, no, no, okay, I'm just I just don't know. I don't know really what else to say. But that's absolutely inexcusable. It's not okay, it's it's not okay. I don't You're not a scrap little nobody. If you're like, if your quote is like three million for a movie, you're not a scrap little nobody. If you have a house in the Hollywood Hills like I just and you're not a scrap little nobody if

you have an engine singing voice, like I don't. Like that's no. I'm sorry I didn't say. But listen and listen, by the way, come at me, like defend yourself, like I know you're a longtime listener, but like I don't know, now, listen, you're absolutely right, No, Cinderella is a scrappy little nobody. Well, well I guess Cinderella is a scrappy little nobody. And who then, but you know, you get she was in the Stage Door movie, right or not? That like they can't,

I can't, That's what I was. Sorry, Oh my god, no Oscar nominee is a scrappy little note, Thank you so much. That was it wasn't I don't know whatever. You know what it was. It was, it was measured, and it was it was correct, correct, and that's the most important. I guess I'm just scrap. You should name your autobiography that just because Jess jessaus and just get

the season. Desist but ignore it. Some one time a guy said to me, He's like, I mean, I don't understand why we're giving Liam Michelle any parts when we have Anna Kendrick. I was like, first of all, that's there. So, by the way, I have zero opinion of her work. I actually don't know her as an actress. I just saw the book in an airport and I was like, what the hell is going on? Yeah, I think she's good. I mean, I certainly liked Into the Woods. I liked

it very much. I think the pitch perfect. I think pitch perfect is like the second one is fully It's there's a lot of Josh full trash, a lot of racism in them, oh god, lots of immigration jokes, which is what everybody loves. Wilson loves a racist joke. Yeah, you know mainstream. I don't know if it's her in the movie doing it, but I mean yeah, but it's like, no, it's not her, No it is her. It doesn't matter. It's just it's all racist. Now. Oh John, John is

gonna gonna ryll that a stop. I can't wait. Rebel Wilson call us, come on defend um. Oh my god, you guys, this has been a great episode. Thank you so much, John Early, Bellhouse June. It's true. Get those texts, Jack lanvac Pam opening. Oh my god, um. I love you guys. Thank you for having me. Thank you. It's great to see you in this natural l a light. Thank you. Know, now that I've been here, I'm like,

it's okay. Literally, let me curate your restaurant experience and then you're going to be so I can't wait for this and I will frame it toney. Guys, thanks for listening to Lost Cultures. Just that's Matt Rogers whereas I was, of course John Early, whereas bye. This has been a Forever Dog production executive produced by Joe Cilio, Alex Ramsay, and Brett Boum. For more podcasts, please visit Forever Dog Productions dot com.