"We, Tonya" (w/ Tim Murray)

like changing up the dingol. Okay, here we go because I just before we record, I had asked you you you're just coming in from work. It's we're recording in the evening on a Sunday evening. You're working the weekend shift. You're in your Brooklyn crab, So what's going on? And you said, well, I'll tell you why. And I sense this chippered nous, this energetic spirit. What is it? What's going on? You all believe this? But oh my god, this bitch has become a kombucha. I have begun to

drink kombucha each day. And let me tell you something. And Last coats this listeners know they've been on a health journey with me and and us all and us all, and I have to impart this wisdom onto you. Okay, I'm not let me tell you something. Here we go. I have famously had bronchitus and then the flu and then for over a month, you guys, and I truly think of you all the listeners, as close friends of mine, so I will share this with you. I have not

been quote unquote regular in a long time. But then the kombu And then I was speaking with one more fright pass and I said, you know, I was on a series of antibiotics this summer, and and she goes, well, there you go. They fucked you up. So I was truly wrecked. And she said you need probiotics. She said you need to drink kombucha or go to the store and buy the pills. But she's like, but they're expensive. I was like, okay, well maybe I'll try kambuja. And

I literally he asked what is it? Because I thought it was some sort of like coffee offshoot, But little did I know it is raw, organic, literal, live bacteria and the glass bottle it's like vinegar water. Yeah, and you think, wow, that's disgusted yog water, I'm sorry. I live for it, okay, And I'm not totally on I haven't been totally on board with kombucha because have you tried it? Yeah, of course, just you know I've I was an early adopter. I got it on the ground

floor with kombucha. I'm just kidding it. What a disgusting sentence to say. But um, I just never I got it on the ground floor with I never and never did it for me. But if you're saying because because you know what I've been complaining to you, I've been

taking poisonous ship water, no water. But also like I'll wake up in the middle of the night and usually you know when you when you do a little diary, like it's like after that you feel great, you feel but not not in these times, like I've had to go to the bathroom, like like rule of three. I've been going to the bathroom three times within the span of thirty in it's because because like clockwork three, because my bowels are just wrecked. And I think it's because

of the antibiotics. You know, it's rule number ninety two of culture comedy and the rule of three, like clockwork, clockwork three, that's okay, well great, Well, I have to tell you there's so many different flavors, and I recommend two brands, Synergy and Health Aid. Synergy is like the big one. Synergy is like the famous one. And so I actually just had a kind of not great one, which is a strawberry flavor. I've tried the strawberry and was not on board with it because they have the

little seeds in their ginger aid. Oh fine, that's the one you need, Dinger beer flavor. And our guest is not in an agreement. Our guest is not in an agreement, and I'm not an agreement because can I tell you something. I'm so excited and I'm so thrilled because I feel like, you know what, boy, I feel like we've had a lot of great guests, but it's time to get a good old fashioned queer in here. I said it's time

to get a good old fashioned queer. And we were discussing who's gonna be on the show, and you even said, I even said, let's get a gay. Let's get it's time. Time is now, Time is now. Let's let's list the credits, bitch, alright. The credits are as follows his web series Unfunny Gay Guys. You can find that on his YouTube channel Bitch. Also on his YouTube channel Untucked the Musical, which is a collaboration between he and friend of the show, Henry Cooper Sky.

And this is where they take amazing little well known segments from Untalked, from Repels, drag Race and musicalize them in fabulous, fantastic way. And an upcoming new project. I'm so excited for this. Yes, it's called Slumber Party. It's going to be a new talk show featuring Tim. Also on Tim's YouTube channel. And in order to more accurately find the YouTube channel, you should know the bitches name. Here we go and his name is Tim Murray. And what a day, What a day it has been day.

I'm following a conversation about feces. Yes, covert, because it's a show. Because it's a show, you gotta get real about the feast. Unfortunately, as gays we have to confront fecal matter. Here's something I'm I'm recently starting to douche and I bought this really chic looking bulb from Amazon, but it doesn't work. The suction is bad and you

really have to try these out. You It's a really hit or miss thing with buying these douche bulbs to wash to clean your whole out, because never I've done I've done like the what they're called the fleet enemas that they I've done those, But apparently those are bad for you if you do them a lot, because it just like really eats it's real up in there, and it really starts to like tenderize your tenderize we done absolutely well, done well or rare, but not tender something

like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, I'm sorry, I'm I thought i'd bring that into the conversation just because it's part of the peace that you do honestly listen, and I feel like we can open up to you. Yes, yeah, I feel I can open up to you. Can I just prempos to start this off by saying, do you remember the best day of your lives? Yeah? I think it was when we were in Disney World? Yeah, that makes this Mine was when I saw a Dina Manzel

and Wicked when I was eight. But I feel like this is the second best day of o is truly for us. Oh my god, you know what, I really I just was having a rough day at work this week and just rough day at work this week, mood boost just thought, let me put on the Wicked ost no original soundtrack, yes, no Broadway cast recording O B c R. And god, what an instant. I mean, it holds up one of the things that holds up when

you look. That's where I met you, guys. Yes, yes, Henry's um Wicked mashed up with Pat Regan as basically you had never seen the movie, and he famously did not totally disregarded her performance completely. He would just come out and go, do you look ugly in the half and then walk up stage and you were fiarro slash Adrian Grenier. No no, no, no, no, no Fiarro slash. And that was amazing. I remember saying to Henry, who's this bit? That was the first time I met Tinto

was like, he's very funny. That was transformative for me because I was like a musical theater douche. Yeah, but like I didn't know what I was, you know what I mean, like that type of musical theater boy. That just is kind of like I don't know where I'm going or what I'm doing, but I need like outward validation from other people all the time. Like I feel

like I am doing my or whatever. And then we did that show and I was like, wait, there are like gay people that do comedy that are makeing their own ship and are making their own stuff. And it was, honestly like a huge shift in my hole. Was that when you started making No, that wasn't when you started making videos. But honestly, I had been making videos before that, but they were only ever theater related content and very rarely,

and I would rarely post about them. And then doing meeting you guys and Henry and that your whole crew of like awesome New York queer comedians, was like, oh, these people are putting themselves out there all of the time. Now you're like, I mean, now you're the one who's just like just churning all the qualities. The content keeps flowing, the content keeps I have had such a shift in the last like especially in the last year, but in the last like six months, I was like very very depressed.

Like when I were talking about this a little bit before that, I was living in an apartment with no windows and it was just dark. It was dark times. And I have had this just complete shift in my brain where I now am I was telling my therapists like a year ago, like I don't know. I used to be like a happy person and now I I used to walk down the street and like hear music in my head, and uh, now I don't. And that's

like very scary for me. And with the more I've talked about and the more I realized, it's just like all about creating stuff and like having fun and throwing it against the wall and like not being afraid when improv helped with that a lot too, to be like, oh, sometimes you get a fucking fall on your face that I just love that that shift that it's you know that it's just opened all this stuff up for you. That's that's so cool. The joy is in creating the work,

and it's about the work. It's about the work, it's about the process. You also very much enjoy the process sometimes, like because I he is over the house all the time with Henry and they're creating their their goofs, and you guys are always laughing and we've witnessed him direct us and yes, and he's very much just very involved in the process, very very collaborative, so fun to work with, so great, and you guys did a little shoot today. We did a little you look at look it up

at Team Murray zero six. It's gonna be on the YouTube. Come on, zero six baby. What can you tell us about this project that today? Um, it's like basically the big thing that we're trying to do is one thing I've realized with one of my other videos is called, um, we get it you know each other? Yeah, Okay, I love that. You need to watch that just like everyone. Yeah, there's about two people that are like scream when they know each other. But I've been making so much fucking

ship like and it feels great. But it's like sometimes I'll make something that I'm like, this is last year I made, um, Hillary Clinton, She's all that, and just map the movie She's all that, Hillary Clinton, and no one watched it. It got like no views. It doesn't matter. That's so true. But what I realized with this video was like all I had to do was label the top of the video we get it, you know each other,

and suddenly it blew up. We're getting so dumb is a mean word to say, but we're getting like we need things like like so clearly, oh no, that's on the internet. So what Henry and I were trying to do with this is to clearly label and bone. So no guys master class performances from coin Sandy's. These are just people that that is what was the video. Okay, So it's Henry Kaperski sitting at a piano at an audition in an audition room and just being the accompanist.

And it's just and maybe Tim you can describe this better, but it's just different people coming in, being different versions of like different types of nightmares and monsters and yeah, okay, musical theater. Monsters, musical theater to come in in certain ways and expect certain things of the accompanist and companist like garbage for the most part. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I

can't wait. So I tried a couple of things where I like was flirting hard with Henry because I've witnessed that myself just in front of mine own eyes, and I admitted to you that I've done it before. Well, I mean we've all done it, but like with Henry specifically, it's this real funny thing. Yeah, I was just like pulling from my experience and just like really making Henry feel unofortable. And he was method, honey, he was giving

you Strasburg Stanislavski. I don't know, but he was like really acting, and I was like, this is going to read really well. My favorite thing is when Henry as he's really good at it. See sometimes the other day he did an impression of you know, he didn't it wasn't someone that, oh I forget, but he came home from an interaction and he did an impression of the person. And and then I sometimes tease him like, oh, the actor, but and he gets very bashful. But it was very good.

Of course it was. Yeah, he's just been inundated with like people like throwing and projecting like their own like ship at him for all this time, and he's watching so much is like such, which again the culture is his podcast. Big thing for me like hearing other people's things that they watched as kids. That like, that's why when I heard Pat Regan talk about this ship that he watched growing up, I was like, that's why you

are as good as you are. Yeah. Yeah, And you guys talking about Desperate Housewife so much would be like moment a wait, hold on, so because you've just brought it up organic, let's talk about this. So Tim, what is the culture, and we asked this of all our guests. This is the question we asked called this is the question I saw the guests. What is the culture that brought you into culture? It was the culture that made you decide culture at large as a concept was for

you is for me. I've been thinking about this a lot, because you know, I'm number one fan of the pod um at me in the comments. You're not a bigger fan of making him at me. And I have a really bizarre memory, like I can remember where I was sitting and what was happening. I remember I was sitting We're on vacation in Miami, and We're sitting in a hotel room and I am watching the TV and the news story of Tanya Harding HiT's Nancy Kerrigan's leg um comes across this green and I literally feel like I

could my whole body just like when Hit. And I was like, this is fascinating. And I looked at the screen and it's just like the most specific and you guys talked about this on the podcast, but we have. I was just thinking to myself, I have we talked about this. I'm almost positive that we have. And that's what I'm talking about you've talked about um so specifically your friends, your sister's hot friends, and how like what that looked like to you and what that meant to you.

And seeing these like women, these like fierce figure skater women with their very specific hair dues and they're like specific costumes. And but what what I now realized attracted me to this story so much was storytelling. Was like it was such so dramatically laid out for the world. It was so it was like Tanya Harding was and I fell in love with Tanya Harding, and I was like, she had these blonde things that just came down like this.

And in the news story I watched, they were like, you know, poor white track up against rich Nancy Christine cold, Nancy Karragan, and that was the narrative being spun for me. So I remember going home and sitting in my bed and clamping the hands so tight and saying, dear God, I know Danya Harding didn't do it. Please please let me understand that she is a good person and she would not have done this. That is so interesting because you just were empathizing so much with this person who

was being villainized in the media. Yes, I was, so I'm so empathetic. But then y'all wanted a twist. She did. She it was so bad at the Olympics, so fucking bad that I turned because Karragan poster in my room and so not even not even you turn your back, Antania, you put up a Nancy poster. I turned one eight and I joined the other side. I joined the other side. Filth. So wait, I think I do think that maybe it's

not as fascinating. Well, so it's up there for me with the o J thing with you, the Tanya Harding and Nanci Karagan thing, and you know what else, your guys are a little younger than me. But I feel like the OJ thing was the second biggest news story of our of my lifetime, maybe the first for you. M it's up there. I mean, I will be completely honest and say that because I was in Canada as

it was happening. Canadians just like didn't really care about it, and so I didn't really like like the card shaped, like like the whole Bronco chase thing like that was all something that I like learned like much later on about and like so many of the details, like about like Marsha Clark and all these people like I didn't really learn about until like last year. Last year, like

the documentaries and UM American Crime Story. Like I was like, oh, like I really missed out on this because for yeah, so I mean that's just I mean, that's interesting. I do remember it dominating. But I tell you what also dominated and continue to dominate for years, And the two stories kind of jumbled in together. For me, I was like, oh, that's just like I guess tabloid culture. It was what my five six year old self like understood tabloid culture

to be was John Benett. And it felt like Jean Benett was never not on the cover of one of those man you go to the supermarket. You still seriously like it didn't go away for years and it's still the fact that it still hasn't is crazy. Yeah, we're such a strange culture, Like why are we so obsessed? And also two things. One didn't realize that O J was an athlete slash star slash superstar until much later.

Didn't understand how famous he was until I was watching Crime Story and I texted my dad and I'm like, how famous was he? He was? Like he was the most famous athlete of his generation. Two didn't understand that John Bennett Ramsey was a little beauty queen. I thought that was just the way she looked and thought, oh my god, that pretty girl died. And I didn't understand why it was such a huge story. But then I don't.

I didn't realize that either. I don't think it's a way later and then you understand, like what a funked up bizarre story it is and why it's so big. Um, But yeah, just that that was what normal little girls like looked like. I think, talk about the patriarchy. Oh dark, it's a dark world. It certainly is. In second grade, the teacher asked, took a poll all of us and said,

how many of you think did it? Oh my god, one little boy, Ricky has raised his hand and said, I don't think he could have done it because he's a very good football player. And we accepted that. I mean, and this Catholic school as like, oh yeah, except for me, who was like but also he was like taking a sample of a roomful of second graders like that, it's shocking.

But talking about this last week with Ruby, like, um, the positions that these teachers put kids in and like these questions that they make them answer, Like talking to a bunch of fifteen year olds about abortion rights. It's just so freaking crazy. Overwroughten fraud whatever you had, It's like, why would you do that? It's over fraud, over fraudule number seventy five, over fraud. Um okay um. I would

I would position to say, I would pause it. Sorry, I'm trying to sound smart to position I would say that Princess Diana was like, yes, that was like the I think that's one of the biggest stories. I was going to say, we were a little bit of and she was in the international figure total and so therefore Prince Princess Dina dying was before John Benet, though I don't think that that's true. I think John Bennet was. Let's somebody was like seven. I think she was. I

think that was earlier. I think I think the chronology of it was. I'm googling it, Tanya, Oh, j it was definitely first Jean Benet six, okay, and then yeah, and Theniversity of Kania was was very recently. So right, okay, so you're right, I'm so sorry. Yes, Jemine, we heard about Canada. Jean knew we heard about in Canada and it was like two years before I was going to

move to Colorado. And I was like, people, and I've said this, yes you have on the podcast, But when when my parents were telling me that we were moving to Colorado, I was like, people, that's where Columbine happened. Oh that's where Jeanine died. Yeah, people fucking murder each other there and Columbine. Columbine was a big thing in Canada. Because I was thinking about this when um, the three of us are all reading Hiller's book, Yeah, I have,

it's literally out on the table right now. When the gun control chapter, I was crying specifically a lot because I really feel like that would have been her legacy had she been elected. And I thought so, I couldn't stop thinking about the second grade version of myself and where I think like a lot of my paranoia comes from is that of being like, oh, anyone could just walk into this school and shoot us, and like that like shaped so much and like then was it in

your guys towns? Was that like did it become like sort of part of like this vocal culture. I will say it affected my it hapn't. When I was in third grade, it affected my teacher so deeply that she wouldn't set talking about it for days. And I she actually made us have I said this on the podcast. She made uself stand in a circle and listen to hands by Jewels. We stood holding hands and sang hands my hands are small, and I know and I've definitely

said this before. But then like days later, we all got in trouble at lunch, and my lunch monitor like pulled my teacher out and said, um, the kids are peer pressuring each other to be mean to someone or peer pressuring someone to do something they didn't want to do.

And the teacher came in and was like, I'm so mortified that I had to listen to that, and not for nothing, but this is not dissimilar to what happened over in the the peer pressure and the bullying and stuff like, well, she's kind of right, yes, but traumatizing the telegram And then I realized, even like in third grade, I kind of said to myself, like, Okay, don't absorb that that's her issue, Like that is not that is what she meant to say, was that like bullying is wrong,

and you shouldn't make people feel isolated. But she doesn't need to like make you guys feel like you're like we're the next column. I mean, who knows, because she was connecting those dots like in a correct way. But of course the way she was communing and kidding it to you guys as third graders was like awful and wrong.

I think she was traumatized rightfully. So, speaking of which, like surreal experience having my first story Pirate shown in elementary school UM in Long Island the day Sandy Hook happened. That was the day it happened. It happened, and like we were like we were setting up and it was my first show and I was perferring for all these kids.

I was a Katie Scotland and Branson Reyes and I get this news notification on my phone about Sandy Hook, and I was like, oh I And I didn't want to tell them about this until after the show because but I saw this and I went out and I looked at all these fucking kids and I, this is insane. And then all of us got into the car drove back to the city and we were just silent, and we were just like how what like how did this happen? It was wild, wild, wild, wild, and we'll never forget.

I joined it after that too, and I remember, you got it's weird you go into elementary schools now and you and you look at the kids and you think, you just get sick to your stomach. Are we Are we your teacher? Now? Are we your great teacher? Now? People did this to me? But it's crazy, It's fucking crazy. And then and it's crazy that it's not going to change now, especially after hearing her chapter in the book, I was just like, what, this is insane to me

that we are not And after um Orlando. Then I was at my ten year high school graduation the night that happened, and I took all of all these boys that I thought would hate me for being gay. We all were out at a bar together and I was like, I know, this is like so lame, but I'm having such a good time with you straight guys. Let's go to the local gay bar in town. And they all came with me and we had the best fucking time. And it was just like, you know, defeating these like

inner demons, like thinking these were my bullies. And then to wake up the next morning and be like, oh wow, this just happened in the gay bar somewhere else in the country, and like from like trying to bridge that gap of like making people feel comfortable and being like even as an ally you could be I mean oh yeah, I mean a, I mean that that is just nice isolated event it was that is you nice. Um. I don't know if I've said this before, and when he

was on the podcast, I definitely didn't mention this. But the night before, uh, the Pulse shooting, Cold School and I were doing a show at Union Hall and then we got went walked up to Artichoke Pizza and Park Slope to get a bite and then we're sitting there and uh, this crazy person like barrels in and is like screaming and screaming and screaming, and then he goes to Cole, Cole and me and starts screaming faggot at us, and then he like lunges at Coal at one point,

and Cole was just like really shaken by and we were both shaken by it. And then like and then it was fine. After that, we checked in with each other, we went our separate ways, which I checked in again with him that like when he got home that night, and then the next day fucking pulse happened, and then checking with each other again, we were just like, it's are we both like we're both thinking the same thing right like this It's it's like it's just so fresh

still happening. Um yeah, like what a weird. It's so sucked up to think about how all these atrocities can happen.

And she talks about the mothers in those chapters of like you know, the murdered black youth and everything like, and just to fucking realize that he still was elected, you know what I mean, with nothing, and he with nothing on that topic and only like only all the wrong thing, all the wrong things that everyone should have a gun speaking of, like you teaching right, So the Orlando happened, and then a week later I was teaching like kids, like young kids in a classroom, and I

have this paranoia thing where I'm always thinking that's something bad is going to happen. And I am sitting in the class and I was just like, what would I do if someone came in here right now? There's forty children? What would I do if I had a gun on me? That wouldn't help, but would I do like that it's not the answer, that it's not flat out not the answer, and the fact that people think it could be the answer shows people Room warmly believes it's in a truly

wild way. It's insanity. But the thing that's bothering me the most about the fucking people's like fear over this Hillary book and I'm seeing this a lot on my Facebook feeds is it's like always the pull quote is, oh look, wow, Hillary really stuck in the past, still blaming Bernie. Fucking read the book. It is not about Bernie. This book is not about Bernie. The library is open. Check out a card and check out the book. I don't have time for your fucking bullshit. She she spends.

Maybe I'm halfway through it, but from what I've read, there's lines that are about Bernie and about you know, the rightful ways and what she contributed to her loss. Not that he wasn't entitled to say whatever the fuck he wants to say and campaign however he wants, but she's also entitled to write this book. You don't want to fucking buy it or read it, don't. You certainly waste a lot of your fucking time posting about it

on face on social media. You certainly are fucking interested, But if you don't want to read the book, don't. It doesn't mean she doesn't have the right, but you don't get to say anything about it that and don't tell me how to spend my money because people being like, well, at least don't buy it in a Barnes and Noble. You can go fucking shove your own cock up your butthole and let me watch on X two because that

sounds fun. You're all fucking disgusted. She doesn't say anything about him or anything in the book that isn't in service of the party, that isn't in service of trying to bridge exactly why she believed the same thing she believed and took the stances she took, and why Bernie

took the stances she took. She's not blaming him. She's saying, this is how divided we are, and this is what he believed and what I believed, and why I believe that was a problem for all of us coming together stronger to The book is called what Happened, So she's telling you what happened happened, and one of the things that happened was they were in conflict and it made her look bad, and had it had he become the nomine he probably wouldn't have won either because there would

have been all the fuccory that happened with Russia anyway.

So it's just like, get over it. Yeah, I don't know just and what she's been saying in interviews is that like, yeah, it was has just been about him just doing this sort of damage that he sort of did inflect where it was like Hilary's a fucking crook because she's taking all these speaking fees and it's like she talks about in the book, She's like, I mean all my predecessors took speaking fees, everyone else who ran for president took like took money from all street, like

had no reason to believe that it would have affected me this way except in these gendered ways. And then the line that like punched me in the fucking gut was like she just has this whole paragraph or she asks these questions like why am I seeing as a devisive figure? But Joe, Biden and Bernie aren't. Why am I seeing as this person? But these people aren't, Like why why am I like caustic, but these people aren't.

And then she and then she paragraph breaks into just a one line paragraph after that, just as I'm really asking I'm at a she goes, I'm at a loss. And it was just like I was at the gym when I heard I'm listening on audiobook and I had to put the weights down and take a lap because it was so it's sad. It makes me so fucking sad for my sister. My sister is a fucking fierce lawyer, and she didn't take her husband's name. She has and Hillary has an amazing little paragraph in there about that

about like Bill losing the governor. People said that it was her fault that he lost the governor's race because she didn't take the last name Clinton. And then when she finally did take the last name Clinton, there's footage of her just like in the seventies, um, just like on an interview on like on some like TV press thing, and she's just like, first of all, she looks she looked fierce back in the day, just like she like

really just looks like this. She looks like Twiggy in a way, like with this like really fierce, like I make up and just like the scrape on hair, like brownish blonde hair, and she's just she just looks pissed, and she's like, you know, I decided to take I finally decided to, you know, just take Clinton because it seems like everyone was getting really up in arms about it, So you know, I will now for and she rolls

her eyes back. She goes, I will now forever be known as Hillary Rodham Clinton, And I was like, fuck that. Fuck the fuck the fun the forces that like made that happen, and like for her to roll her eyes at that is like still so great in delicious. Well, that's fucking classic misogyny and sexism for you and your

hatred of her everybody is fucking fueling. It's it's just tired, it's and it's also it's like why, like like I don't read the book or you know or don't, but either way, go fund yourself because you're gonna read the book. And I hope you feel like ship And if you don't read the book, continue literally living in your own fucking ignorance. Whatever. Maybe I'm drinking the kool aid too much, but I happily do so, and I like whatever, it's not it's not harming other people. It just having like

being able to read. It's like, stop posting everywhere? Why is that anyway? I just think it is sexist to say that about her, like it it's garbage. I don't know that when you read the chapter on being a woman in politics, that's really hard to to to read and listen to in the situation. She accounts are so specific, and it's like the woman a fucking break, Give her

a break. Did you see Corey book or being like he basically has like a leave Brittany alone moment, But about Hillary where they're like interviewing him, he's like, it doesn't leave her alone. God, It's like people don't fucking freak out about John McCain, like staying silent after his presidential race loss, Like we're still lionizing him like he's a fucking war hero, which I mean that's questionable to begin with. I don't know anyway. Um, let's let's just

dig ourselves out of this heavy politics hole. Um. Did you hear that Larry is going to be a judge on All Stars three? Yes? Honestly, that would be a fucking guy I would get show. It was one of James Soon show this past week really and and we're and and I'm just like, Hillary's gonna go. Hill's gotta go. She's gotta go, She's gotta go. We gotta get her at the show, get bringing book her for slumber party. I would, oh my god, I would be an honor

for her. You know what I thought about this? The one question I would ask Hillary Clinton is she is back in the day, especially at the show's peak, she was a huge greats Anatomy fan And I want to tell and I want to ask her what her favorite episode is or who your favorite character is? I love that someone. Who are your who are you for you? I want the question for you favorite your favorite characters in your favorite apps? Yeah? Um, Christina, Christina bit until

I die. I didn't get Christina for a long time. I do think that she provides some of the best moments her. I didn't get her for a long time. My favorite character was Izzy until she started acting like just like like a stupid idiot. See and that's the that's the part of it that I do agree with Katherine Heigel about. The writing was god awful. And let's not pretend like Shanda isn't capable of that. I mean, like she wrote bad. Yeah, why why would you say

that Cross is amazing? Sure? I just understanding, like Pros is a better movie than people give it credit for, Shonda Rhymes is not. She doesn't hit it out of the park every single fucking time. And also like she is very guilty of like stepping away and caring less about her shows after she feels like she gets away with so she so she walked. I don't know what happened with Gray's Anatomy, but season four was a total

fucking mess. And I think that the way Kathy had season four, And do you know what I'm talking about, especially with Christina, especially with Sandra oh honey, which one just wiping. That was not season four. That was because season three he leaves her. You're talking about you took a piece of me. No, no, no, no that season four season season unbearable. No um season She has to there you go my relationship with Preston Burke in writing Satisfied, you have where like that she has to report that

she's left with Burke to the whole. It is not difficult. It's you guys have talked about this before, but I want to on record from me that her her you took a piece of monologue is the greatest television ever again, except she did it with a hundred different restraint that we just did it. Oh yeah, do you watch came back to the show just for that. Oh yeah, God, and it was beautiful. Oh my god, he's not the

sun you are. She pisces me off those shots. I'm sorry she kisses me off, because I will never get over that she gets she let Isaiah Washington come back, That homophobic piece of garbage got to come back and wrap up the storyline because Christina deserved it. However, like she like can't can't fucking knock it at whatever ego thing she has with Katherine Heigel, and that character gets

literally no resolution whatso average. Honestly, you know what, if you didn't like her, just fucking kill her in the cancer storyline, don't bring her back from the literal debt and the cancer storyline, only to have the character get fired six episodes into that. I didn't think it was bad. I just thought, if you're gonna then see it through, like have her pass away, because don't fucking have her survive, only to fire the character because she made like a

judgment area, like it was so stupid. The show is so stupid. I'm sorry, but crazy anatomy so fucking but don't you think that we deserve? In a single from Ellen Pompeo from Ray Boys, Yeah dance track, oh wait but yes, agreed, And she also has been killing it on Twitter lately because well yes, because and someone someone sent me this tweet of hers um where it's like, uh, someone some idiot tweeted at her like oh she's oh, she's a fucking Hillary supporter. Fuck you Trump supporters hate you,

we hate you. And then she like quote tweeted this person and was like, I wouldn't want to fucking Trump supporter as a fan anyway, you do? Like she was, so she goes, news flash, I wouldn't want it. I would I would never want a Trump supporter as a fan because she's literally like actual, like mouthie great. Do

you ever see an episode of Punked? No, okay, she was an episode pung and like it's insane because she's with her husband, who knows that this is happening to her, but it's like they're at a restaurant in l A. I'm like, the waitress comes out and it's like being

an idiot. And she walks away from the table and Ellen Pompey was literally like a waitress, She's a fucking idiot, like do DofE, Like she's a fucking idiot, and then she starts laughing about she's like and then she starts like making jokes about like her like falling down and like hurting herself like and you see the husband kind of be like, oh my god, TV, we're like on TV right now and you're bem And it's so funny to hear her like real accent. She's from I think

she's from Boston or some sort of Massachusetts or something. Yea, but you see you hear her talk and it's not Meredith Grade talking. It's so weird. Ellen, what a mystery because we only know her as we only literally know her as the one character. Have you seen the interview with her and via the Davis and Mr Carry And they're like, so, what what would you do if Grayson may ever stopped? And she's like, well, um, I don't think it ever will, but if it does, I won't

be acting anymore. And they're like, wow, why And she she actually do something that I thought was so cool. She was like, I don't find acting very empowering, and I was like, oh, that's cool. She's like, I think I would like produce. I was like, oh, you're you're pretty cool. Yeah, I think she's totally cool. That's so funny. I need to watch this punk but you should. I want to burn I want the whole world to burn down.

I want to see everyone's true colors. Also, I mean, Shanda may Or may not have had a hand in making Sara Ramir as bisexual by writing her character as a lesbian. She came out as bisexual like a year ago, which is great, but like, I don't know if like the character had anything to do with that. I don't know about that. Boss. I think played a less being. I realized I was by well it's like that for a two orange as a new black writer who realized she was lesbian, she was gay after she kept writing

these these these queer women. I think, really, is that how she discovers and then and then she fucking just married, um say Samara? Yeah, So, I mean, I think I think there's something about TV. I've also heard already. I've heard that Taylor Shilling is also a lesbian oh yeah, I've heard she's by but I think she's in a relationship with a woman, a famous woman. I don't know who it is, and I'm losing it right now, but I feel like she's closeted. I think you and I

think you and I saw her come out. We were we were we got off at JFK and we saw her come out. She was in the car in front of us at JFK. Did we were I think it was. I think we were going. I think this was Orlando, and she fucking came out and I was like, that's Taylor shilling. Oh my god, maybe you forgot about well, asked Dave, because I don't know, I don't know. We were literally very high the whole time. I remember this very vividly, Taylor showing that season of that show. I

was like, this is the best season. This is the best television show I've ever seen. And then I stopped watching. The most famous person that I've seen come out of a car is Anna Hathaway. Anna Hathaway, Anna was she getting out of the car and Meryl Streep was in the car and she was like, everybody wants to be us and she quit. Yeah, that was it. I was on set for Devor's product in Paris, France, on location to eminate you did do it remate what a delicious performance.

Oh my god, this is like I'm talking about Yeah. But you know what, thoughts, I, let's talk about a new movie. What movie haven't we talked about? You've listened to every episode. There is a movie I want to talk about because I was thinking about you, Tim Murray the whole time as I was watching it last weekend. Tim Murray famously on the first I don't think the Honey Live episode, I don't think so honeyed Harry Potter fans um and uh, Harry Potter bullies. Harry Potter bullies,

excuse me, and that is a specific term. And um, he instead proposed instead of a Harry Potter theme park, a practical magic theme park. I've never seen it, and I have to. I saw it last week with um Anna and Mike and um, it's not a good movie, but it's a there's great performances in it, but it's

not a good movie like something horrible. Please, I've never seen it was for the comedy, and so you did your research and so you had that reference tucked away I had it tucked away because I said in my head, I was like, do I say the craft? Do I say? I just in my head like, here's some witch movies. And then I was like, I love. I love because the craft is very first thought, like everyone like will

fall back on the craft. Practical magic is like a nice deep cut, and I love you referenced it even though you haven't seen it, because I feel like we should not. I feel like more people should do that. I I don't find a problem in doing that and referencing something that is not familiar to you. I think it's I do it all the time, reference from we're not getting We're not going to get a quiz exactly.

It's not until you come on a podcast where like now that movie and you're like, I mean, we don't have to talk about I was just I thought of you. I loom that's so sweet. And problem with the movies that it didn't know if it was gonna be a thriller, a rom com, or you know, like what did it end up being like a fucking Frankin movie of all three of those of these things. It was like it wanted to be a thriller, a rom com, and like a fun like Nancy Meyers esk movie. It was crazy.

It was wild. It's Nicole Kidman playing like the confident which no, it's it's Sandra Bell playing like the main which like the like the one who wants just like your normal cipher, like you can protect anything you want on her, and Nicole Kidman is like the rebellious sister. And then um, it's very Felman and Louise too, because I'm Nicole Kidman ends up dating this vampire who holds her hostage, and then they killed the vampire and then they bury the vampire and then their aunts are played.

By its end, it's very superneo the teenage which their aunts were playing by Stockard Channing and um uh fucking and Wheest great cast and a young Evan rachel Wood play Sandra Block's daughter. Um so it's a great movie, well cast, but it's also it just doesn't know what it is and it was just kind of unwatchable by the end. Um but you know, it's it's it's it's in the lexicon speaking of witches. I was just going to literally going to say those exact words, what are

you going to say? I was gonna say that Michelle Peiffer is back on screen and I can't bring myself the news feed is a disaster. Everyone did you hear

that it received an F CinemaScore rating? So this is this is what happens when when all movies come out with the What what like this company does is they go to five random cities nationwide and they pull many audiences coming out of the f to give the movie a score a B, C, D or F like like a numerical not numerical like an alphabetical grade like you would get you know, it's cool. So famously this can really uh proved to say like how a movie is going to do based on word of mouth, because it's

really the audiences that drive the box office. Like the reviews help. But a lot of people are going to go see Mother because they see Jennifer Lawrence and they see like a seventy percent scoring Rotten Tomatoes, which isn't bad. However, it got an F for cinema score, which is like unprecedented. Everyone hated. Almost everybody gave it an F and usually you can usually someone likes a movie like for example, Um like one of the highest scores of the past

ten years, has been the blind Side. The blind Side got an A plus. It got an A plus Cinema score because and Hidden Figures also had. So Basically, these crowd pleaser movies that like have mass appeal, they'll get these very high scores. And those are the movies that have a lot of legs in the box stufs. I believe Wonder Woman also did really work. I think, so

these movies have real legs. But if you get an F, that usually means the movie is fucking d o A. So it got an F and that's happened like five times. I think it might be like a producer's type of thing, where it's like such a dad that people will want to go see it. I mean, I have no desire to go see it, but people are talking about it like crazy. People are talking about it, and that's that's a rule of culture. And get the people talking, you

go all presses good. But it makes me mad because there's nothing I want to do more than go see Michelle Phifer in a movie like I love Michelle Pier. The children have forgotten, the children have forgotten, there will never be a woman. But honey, Michelle Fifer was it. I even thought Anne was great, and she was amazing, and here's by the movie. She's amazing and everything. She's one of the I think of the past like thirty years, she's one of like the iconic faces on screen. She's amazing,

and we think that. Imagine what the generation above us would say if they were sitting around. She's like one of the like the gays up the Gay Live they're talking about. But I was actually reading an article about her, which is an interesting article because she's been nominated for Oscars like several times um and actually has oh quite like versatile like talent like she does like period film she does, like superhero movies, traditional like contemporary romantic comedy.

Is like she's she's got everything on her like resume. But what I read about her in this article this, I thought it was a pretty astute observation, was this happened sometimes with actresses. She's so gorgeous that you don't take her super seriously as an actress, and she's like

too talented to be like super commercial. Does that make It's like you got that model face and was like ast talents and talent, immeasurable talent, and you're just like, I don't know what's how to process this, but I guess right in the way that like, you know, the big box office actresses are like of her generation, were like Sandra Bullock, Meg Ryan, Julia Roberts, not actresses that I think at the time of their peak. You could

give them any script and they'd make it work. They are they heightened material, right, But she never was a box office sensation in the way that like, she's never been this drawer, like let's go see the new Michelle. And I thought that that was an interesting article and I got it because she is so striking and she is so good. Like you, you usually walk away from a movie with her in it and remember her. And people are saying that about this movie. I mean, that's cool.

I mean I I do want to support that. I do want to support her. I think we can just start this campaign to just really like get her to number one on the IMDb Star meter. I I want, let's get Michelle to number one, number one. I want her to just make such a such a huge groundswell of a comeback. Well, they they're saying that she might get an Oscar nomination for it. I sure hope, because that is such a real thing. It's like we know

that about the industry. It's not about talent. If it were about talent, all these theater actresses that I'm obsessed with would have been a box office draw. But no, it's about, like Julia Robert STANDRIBI like accessibility. It's about usually it's about whiteness, and it's about accessibility, and like, who is someone we can put on the freaking screen that is like approachable and somebody that, like someone in the middle of Nebraska wants to come watch in a theater.

Right And the thing is, I think right now there's really only been one and it's Jennifer Lawrence. And I think with this, well, I think I'm a Stone is close. Someone actually said that recently they think Emma Stone is like the next Julia Roberts in a way, And I think that that's pretty astute. Maybe um, but it seems like it seems like Emma Stone draws a certain vitriol that Julia Roberts never did people hate. I feel like

people people did back in the day hate Julia Roberts. Really, I don't know, I just I get that feeling because she was liked by women and men, which is they say what you need, right, that's the whole thing I'm just from just from stories I've heard, is like a cool fucking person. That's what I hear too. Heard that Jessie Britta Filter our friend was her roommate in l A. Well,

they grew up together. And then speaking of drag queens, we got I gotta plug Tammy Spanks what you guys are all doing on a Sunday night, But you gotta get your ask to um Baraco to Seamy spakes Is and Brittle Filter New York Queens. But Britt is going to be one of those household names Dragon Britt Filter going to be on slumber party on my can't wait Wait. But she lived with Emma Stone. She calls her Emily. That's because yeah, their friend. They grew up together in Arizona.

They moved to l A together. Then Emma Stone started to do like pretty well, I guess she's doing pretty now. They're saying that she might be up for an oscar again. Her playing Billy Jean King. Apparently she's better in this movie than she was in La La Land. And if she hadn't one last year, she would be a slam dunk. Oh damn that's what everyone. I'm excited for that movie. I'm really excited for that movie because I didn't really I didn't really know that this was like an event

like historic event. Oh no, this is like a big one. I don't know as much about as much about it either, but I have but total from being like a little sports kid, I knew about Billy Jean that's school. Like this was like it was exactly that. It was called the Battle of the sexes between this like chauvinistic idiot yes and who was like kind of like the John McEnroe of his time, and Billy Jean King, who was at the time a closeted lesbian uh women tennis champion,

and he was like, let's do this. It'll be good for the sport. It'll get excited. And also you know how like whatever, I'll beat you and don't be a pussy like do it. And she beat him, She beat him, and and that's and now like battle of the Sexes.

It's just like this like norm in tennis. And I sound so stupid, but like right as am I correct, Like now like like there there there are tennis events where it's like battle of the sexes and it's just like, you know, just male versus female, and it's just like, you know, modeled after that, right. I mean, that's I think it's one of those things that's like you can't duplicate. Of course not but but but they tried, totally, totally, totally.

Where's my movie about Monica Sellis getting stabbed? I didn't even know that this. Hello, Monica Sellis wins a match. Hello. She walks over to her fans, says, hello fans. A fan stabs her on the shoulder. But nice, and she survived. She's totally fine, thank god. I mean, was it her tennis arm? Which one's your time arm? Bitch? I don't know which? Once she swing the club, don't she sing the club? I need that a number. I think rule number thirty of culture. Your tennis arm is the one

you swing the club. That's like, that's like a sort of Nancy Karagan type thing. It was a big wait, and I'm happy to return to this because I can't believe we just talked about Tanya Harding and Nancy Karagan without talking about mark film that's coming out I Tanya. It's called IM and it's stars Margot Robbie and Allison Janny as the mother, and I'm hearing it's basically dropped

it gorgeous on steroids, which I'm here for. And also I'm getting different accounts of it, so like I'm reading a lot of First of all, I cannot wait to see this movie. I'm so down for You don't even know, are you man? Different account about whether' not Margot Robie thought Harding was a fictional character, okay. Also I want to get Margot Robbie off the hook for this, okay, Yeah, because like you were just saying, she is from might

have missed it. She's from a different country. I'll never from different countries that I'll never let anyone off the hook. I mean, it's the Olympics, it's an international event, so who knows she's she's our age. I know about the Canadians who are no Russians who I guess I don't know the Russians. Controversy the Canadians Canadian Russian Canadian? Is that okay? But it wasn't on the level of Tanya

and all. I mean, it was a controversy in its own right, but it wasn't one one's crazy, stupid husband trying to break the other one's knee right after a practice. So it's insane. But the different accounts I'm hearing are that it's a good and like jamat Lee potent and humanizes her, or that it's like a crazy ass can't can't be asked characterization of her where that like weirdly asked you to be on her side. But I'm down. I'm down for either or. All I know is that

Tanya Harding was happy with it. They said the director and Margot were being interviewed and they said that she was quote great during the process and it was she was shown the movie and that she was pleased with that. I'm sure she's pleased, Like she's getting like all this attention again. Yeah, she that was was always the goal, honey. She wanted to be out from eighth place and up up and wanted and she wanted to sell her life. Right, it's honey, But it's not attention that she wants. Well,

I don't understand. I mean, she wanted any attention. That's why she was so fascinating. She cried when she was doing her performance and was like, have you seen the thirty It's the documentary that a lot of this is based on that. It's a crazy you have to tim if you love you have to go watch. I think it's like on Netflix or something. It's a thirty for thirty, which is like an ESPN documentary series based in sports. But this one about Tanya Harding and Nanty Karagan is amazing.

It's like modern day interviews with Tanya and she's basically looking at the camera like it took everything from me all I wanted to do all my life. I took it all, my mother, my husband, And it's so you don't know what to believe because she's like, of course I didn't know, but she's so like she's so worn down by the years that you're like, I don't know what to believe. That that was in a desperate situation.

There you go right there. That is why that story is huge and important and it's fascinating because like just just just that effect, that that effect of that event on her life, huge dramatic shake experience every time. Yeah, it is sha experience and that's why they call it Tanya. But also think of this, and I will advocate for Tanya for this for a second. She's head and shoulders the most talented skater there. She was the first to do the harding. She was the best apparently, I don't know.

I don't have like the tape in front of me, but she was the first woman to ever complete the triple axel on the ice. It was and and Margot says, like they're doing they were shooting the movie, and she was like, Okay, we'll just get a double to come in and do the triple axel. And then everyone on set that was like tasked with that was like, no, you don't understand, Like, there's really very few people in the world that can actually do that, and you can't get them to come here and do it and look

like you, I mean, like that is wild. And it's so funny that the narrative that ended up taking hold was that she's like was white trash and that she was poor and like and you like, that's what you remember, and you don't remember that she was this amazingly skilled figure skater. Well, because they grade also based on presentation, right, and that's why. And also when she was in the actual competition, she was very bad, Like I remember being

like Nancy Kerrigan was unfucking believable. Like I remember watching her and just being like, Wow, she is powering through this knee injury, and I thought she did a trip axel. I don't know that she ever did it. I know that Tanya was definitely the first. That's see I flip flop so much that I just I don't remember which one it was, but I do remember now whose side? Tell us um Oxana Bayol. I'm sorry, ox who that

was a trick question. Beat Nancy Carrian, I'm pretty sure for the gold and you were supposed to say Michelle Kwan. I love Michelle. I had a Michelle Quan poster as well, and she was All of these women had the most incredible outfits and they would just they would dance mistake to this music. They were all honestly all of us. Even a little later, I was still into like Tara Lepinski and the Michelle is I'm going to say it, the Hill, every Clinton if that you're skating. Never got

the gold, never had the moment. She deserved the moment she deserved because she was I'll never forget watching Sarah Hughes win the gold medal and they just horrible haircut, don't yeah, But she deserved it. I mean, she was turning, she was incredible. But I remember they just cut to a closed door and she she obviously like the vibe was that she was. It was such a Michelle Kwan fan that I like truly couldn't handle. I was happy for Sara who was because that was truly amazing skating.

But I want a Michell Kwan by a pick now, constant swu, hell yea, make it happen, hell yeah, and Michelle Kwan campaign for Hillary, because you know what, it's the same narrative. These women who work so far who do not get what they so desperately deserve. Michelle Kwan, Hillary Clinton, Alexis, Michelle, You're a monster. You Alexis is great. We've come a drag and she looked fucking flawless. She looks great. A dragon. Okay, here's the thing, a little tea.

Can we share this tea? Share the thing we we did? Yeah, this is they reached out to us to moderate a panel. Oh my god, not even moderate. I think it was to be on a panel or moderate something. We were options as moderators. And then they reached back out and they said that they're programming changed, but we'll be like pass like these passing. We said of course, and then it just the weekend went by and it was just one of those weekends where we were just like, oh,

there's a million other things going on. I'm not gonna go all the way to the Javit Center, like you know what, you know what I read and I went and I went to the one in l A. And it's it's great, it's wonderful. It's just, I mean it's very transparent that it's just like, which is cool, Like you're not you're not trying to spend the money to take those pictures with those queens and like we are gonna do comedy with those queens or we have already,

so it's welling. Yeah, yeah, you know them where you meet them. I'm not going to pay sixty dollars to take a picture with Shay you love you to death. But who is your queen for the people? For Tim, Bob the drag queen is like her, hands down, without a doubt, my absolute favorite. Agree and even and Bob and Bob and I got a little Twitter tip, but I still did get in the Twitter. I mean it wasn't even a tip. I mean Bob was just you know,

like Bob was wrong. But Bob was a little salty, and I was just like, well, here's here's how I feel, here's where I'm coming from. And it was fine, and like I love Bob to death. Still Bob is one of my number one. Um oh, here's here's a little thing. Someone um, some some queen on on Facebook was like l O l at shake whole charging sixty dollars for a photo but RuPaul charging fifty. She's like, girl, who who the fund? Do you think you are charging more

than RuPaul? It was like that. Every everyone head drag Con was talking about it. Every person you walked by was like, but in shade, I will say, in shads defense, she had a full like queens like Skol and um Kim. She and somebody else had like not only the look, but the book, like the booth was an experience and it was almost like going into a haunted house, like it was that cool. But yeah, I mean more than Taylor was charging five bucks in a dick pick. And

I walked into the Dragon. Somebody grabs me and goes, Trinity is here, and I go, oh my god, oh my god. The Trinity was Trinity at Dragon. No merch for me? Whoa Because you know what because this is what I hear. Um Ruby Ruby told us this. Remember at night Saip, she was like, yeah, a lot of queens don't do drag because the booth feet is insane to open. It's crazy, it's a fucking it's it's like a bat hate. Wait, I've heard your queens on here before.

Did you be is what you said? Oh yeah, like like like Matt and I are, did you be in Raven and Raven was Raven yours or you know the queen of my heart? Yeah, I mean I feel very close to list. All of us would agree a list. I agree with that. Yeah, Um Caughtia for all of seven. But then like since then, I've I've I've sort of hopped off that a little bit. Bob is just like someone who like we would go see and like we saw like the full arc of Bob and like that

is so cool. I think that for me, Alyssa is everything I want in that Like she she's just I don't know she there's she's that unexplainable quality like she's just went to the look queen and saw her. Recently, after all sorts, I did a thing with Alaska and then then literally for This was the week of Drag Queens for me, of all starts to drag Queens. The next week, she was at Look Queen Preston and I went and I'm telling you, I have never and never will again be at any show like that in my life.

Tammy Speks was standing next to me and she grabbed me and she was like, I'm so glad we got to go to a Beyonce concert together, because that's what it felt like. She was performing the house down, so funny on the mike, kept yelling at the DJ to play some better music, and it was so funny and just was like offering free drinks to everyone in the bar and then the bar tender will be like, you can't do that, and what to say to me? Like

it was the best? Is one of those people who and this kind of goes back to your thing about like something just like opening up. I mean like before she was self aware, like would never have done this. Now that she knows her power and her humor and her spirit, like everything is happening for her. It's so cool. Before we move on, told wait, I want to do something special, So Tim, I want to do two things special. Here we go, Tim just released the video called is

it when You're a Kelly Clarkson Supervan? Correct, when you're a Kelly Clarkson super fan. So talk to me about what your thoughts are on the New Kelly. I'm obsessed with New Kelly. I have never heard lyrics that bad in my life, and yet I think it's incredible music, so so good, and I popped to it everywhere that I'm going. I think the whole album is going to

be on fire. I have to. So she played the whole album for Entertainment Weekly I guess and they wrote up can Here's seven songs that are gonna be like New Kelly Carson Classics. From the album, there is a quote Whitney Houston esque ballad called I Don't Think About You,

which is the breakup ballad for all time. I heard that it is based on her leaving r CA records, but it's written in the style of like I'm leaving you forever and guess what, I don't think about you pick me up off the floor because I am completely yeah, I can't wait. And apparently she this is the song that quote shows off her range, as if all the other songs aren't doing that, that this is the one that shows off her range. That's incredible. Did they say

did they say, didn't I would be one of those songs? Didn't. I wasn't even on the list and didn't I sounds amazing. Roman to Tuta was like tweeting out from the Rainbow Room where they held like a big party for her on the day that the two songs came out and the album announcement was made. The Rainbow Room in New York like had a big party for her and she

played like seven songs. She played six songs from the new album and walk Away, which she's been performing walk Away a lot because I think it's she thinks it fits with her new sound. It's like an old song that she has that she thinks fits in with what she's doing. The t that she's spilling about our c A is fucking piping hot read that I didn't read. So basically, basically, she was a co writer on My

Life Would Suck Without You, but they gave it to Martin. No. This is right after My December, which was her album that she wanted to do for her that they das was like, we're not promoting it, and she They're like, learn your lesson. You want to make no money, you want people that work to work few to make no money, then do what you're doing. And then she said okay, fine, and all I ever wanted was kind of like her Red Flag album, like okay, she said one thing, she said,

I don't want to work with Dr Luke. She said, I'll work with anyone else. Don't make me work with him, literally no one but this person. The very first single, they're like, you're gonna work with Dr Luke, she says, I'm not going to work with Dr Luke. They forced her to do it, are they are? They told her they wouldn't release her album because I think she had a very bad experience recording. Since you've been gone with him, I have a feeling he was verbally abusive towards her

in the studio. That's like where that's like the t that I'm here, Bernard ci a down Barry Dr Luke in the words of Matt Rodgers, Barry Clive Davis. But she bury Barry Dr Luke. Clive Davis is a fucking is seating himself, I think, and I think he's one of the reasons. Why wouldn't he is dead? Thank yo? Um, but the fact is Kelly and I don't share to look like Kelly like changed a lot of lyrics to my life would suck without you and deserve the writing credit.

And they said, so do you want to writing credit? And she said, I don't want my name near his. She said, I don't care how much money I'm gonna lose. They can have it as much as they want. She's like, I want to send a message to the people that work that work with me that this is not what's important to me. She was this that they made her

do that. And then she also got sucked over on that album because Ryan Tedder was using like identical tracks already hal and Halo and Yonce's Halo, Yeah, Beyonce's Halo, which of course is henceforth known as Beyonce's Halo, just to make a distinction that it was that like, Ryan Tedder basically had the same core progression, same melodies were already Gone and Halo and a lot of his other songs. Yeah.

If honestly, if you've listen to a lot of US One Republic's Ryan Tedder, I was like, well, he's a talented musician. There's nothing to do with that. But a lot of those songs sound the same. It's like these mid tempo mega ballads um And she also got sucked over on that song and was public about it at the time, so she's been very unhappy for a long time. So it's cool that those videos you were showing me of hert was showing me the videos of her doing

stuff live and the like. Yeah, she's really does look because she's able to dress and act and do the things she wanted. Because she also said recently in interview that at r c A they had like every major female vocalist, like Sony r c A, which is the

whole company. They had like Beyondest, Christina Guilera, Alicia Keys, they had like everybody, Pink everyone, And she said the way she says it is she always wanted to make an album where she was singing like soul or urban music, but they would never let her because they didn't want her to compete with other people they had on the

roster that did that. So she was always there, quote unquote pop rock girl, so they wouldn't she always like made the same music Like since U Bengal was followed by My Life, I took with that you was followed by Strong Girl, was followed by you know all these kind of rock pop rock pop rock songs, and she

was never allowed to do anything different. Meanwhile, if you see her live or see any of her live performances, that she she just does so many more things everything, So you know what, that's huge And and just hearing you talk about Kelly and the way in depth it makes me so excited for them. Well, there's gonna be a lot of that because October the album comes out, and you know that I'm going to be promoting it. Yes, because that's my friends, that's different, that's your friend, that's

my dear friends. I can't wait for you to meet her someday. I really want to be here and something I am manifesting it. I want to meet her during this albums like a promotion somehow I think it will happen. I want and yeah, we you will. You will meet Kelly Clarkson clarkson this album cycle what is it called Meaning of life? Called Meaning of Life? Of life? And I want to do one other thing. So tonight the

Emmies are on, so this will air on Wednesday. So I want us all to guess what will win some Awards. It's real close. It's real close this year, and I want to and we'll see who wins. And that person will buy the drinks. Oh, that person who will buy the drinks at Tammy Spanks on Sunday. This is a gag, the legendary venue and Tammy is following in some very big footsteps and she will fill she will fill those

shoes with a plum. You guys don't even understand. I've never seen a drag show where I was just like, oh, every single song is exactly the song I want to hear right now. She is, She go does log rolls into the audience. It's she's so funny, phenomenal. Saw her perform in the Cherry Grove this summer so great. She did my comedy show, Drag Court. She was phenomenal. She is really a consummate professional and so talented. Let's talk

best drama series. So I'm just gonna say the ones that have a shot at winning, which is not House of Cards and better call Saul so West World, Stranger Things, the Crown, that's a limited series, and there is Handmaid's Tale, and you're saying, I think you're saying it's Stranger Things, you're leading towards straight Well, I have a feeling that Stranger Things is gonna win. Yeah, I'm actually, do we have to compete with you? Or can we agree? You

can agree. I've really want Strando Things to win, so I'm gonna also assume that too. I think Stranger Things, maybe Handmad's Tale is the biggest company. But Manna saying this, and I don't know if this applies to the show overall, but Manna sing with with the Best Actress in a Drama Series category, Elizabeth Moss is not going to get

those votes because of the whole Scientology. I think people are sensing a lot of hypocrisy in her, and that's not gonna rub buff Well, despite the fact that she is very overdue for an Emmy because she went all those hours without winning, and she probably does deserve to win. But I just don't think people are down for the Scientology thing anymore, especially because La Remedies show one. I think it's like a statement to be like, I'm going

to vote against this Scientology. It's an interesting category because West World has the most nominations of any show. It's tie with SNL, and that would ordinarily mean like that people would want that that would be the one to win. But also there's the Crown, which like a lot of people like and a lot of people feel like Netflix is due for a win, and it's like the prestige kind of royal show that usually does well at awards. I think, quick tangent, do you guys miss the time

when we all were watching the same thing? Yeah, of course, yeah,

you all had like the one. I This is maybe an insane thing to say, but I think this type of thing has a lot to do with the election to tie it all in that we like have our generation is so used to having everything so catered to us, down to our TV shows that they were like no Bernie, no Hillary, no Trump, no no, no no no, uh gonna pick Jill Stein because like their version of like like you can cater what comes in your new speed, You can cater what you look at an Instagram, You

cater what TV shows you watch, Like everything is so individualized that we deserve. We shouldn't have to conform to two parties we should like And I just think it's so nuts it is. It's a very millennial thing. Um. I just want to say one thing I do miss those days. Sudie Green is at the Emmys right now, and she sent a picture of her dress and can you red? She looks so sad. She's wearing this amazing red dress. Um, she looks incredible. She she looks like

Alaska and her perfume commercial. Um. Alright, okay, this is this is huge. It seems like you've got one prepared. I sort of have one. Um, So how about you go first, Matt, and I'll time you. Okay, I will go first. And this is, of course, I don't think so, honey. This is the big old um, big old thing and show. Yeah, and Tim Murray has slayed before and he will probably slay again. But first me. Here we go first, Matt Rodgers. This is Matt Rodgers is I don't think so, honey.

Time starts now. I don't think so, honey. The modern renaissance of horror movies, bitch, I am not gonna be squealing and squirming and chirpman watching these movies. It that is not it. I am not going in there. The first time I saw that clown, I said this, I and funked up about that cloud. Now I HiT's ripping off kids arms, dragging them under eating them. No fucking thank you. I don't like scary mother exclamation point. I

don't think so, honey. How about a question mark? How about a question mark at the end of Mother Mother? I don't think so. I answered that with a no answer that question. No, I don't like to be afraid. How about this Happy Death Day? No, bitch, I don't want to watch a girl die again and again. I don't think so, honey. And I know what's gonna do well because guess what. All these teens are figuring out

that horror movies make them come and I'm not into it. Bitch, Stop it, Get your hands off each other's crotches, go home, watch a kind comedy with Sanda that you don't. I don't go to see Happy Death Day and we're gonna love it. I think it better be comical. I think it'll better be scary and funny like Scream. It'll be. I think it'll be scary and fun like Scream. Not necessarily funny, but fun and teens teens coming to horror movies, that's where they go, all right, that's where the teens go.

This is I don't think so, honey, and his time starts now. I don't think so, honey, and forgive the basicness of the of this the emt A. Bitch. Today I had to go meet Tim Murray and Henry Koperski for something I was so excited to do, to help them with their their video, and it took me fifty five minutes for what should have been a twenty minute commute. Bitch, I don't think so, honey, the m t A. This was the longest commute in my fifty seven fucking years

in this garbage city. It was horrible. I hated every minute of it was sweaty, all the lines were down, every line, every line. And honey, I took the bus today too. I did. I did the stuff. We had the bus, honey, Yes that's right, m t A. You cannot don't poke holes in this because I took every single vertical in your stupid, stupid umbrella. And I hated every minute of the bus. I hated every minute time, Traine, you better get your act together. I go to Europe

and it's a it's such a better experience. I go to Asia, forget it, it's amazing. M t A. You have a lot of catching up today. And Cuomo, you better fucking make do right by us. That's one minute como. You better do right by us, okay, and you better be a right man. You better be a do right man because you know what. Oh god, And I know that it's so boring to on the m t A, but they deserve every word of hate that comes their way.

Today it was crazy and that was I felt so bad for you because like we didn't care all but everyone was roblem. I had a fucking actually really good experience today. Okay, whatever, Matt, Now you were late to this. What are you talking about? Three minutes late? Three minutes of my life I'll never get back. This is Tim Murray's I don't think so, honey, and his time it starts. No, I don't think so, honey. People who slide into my d m s to ask about my friend, you are

sliding into my dms. Honey. You better be talking about me, honey. You better be talking about how handsome I am. Honey. You better be talking about how funny I am. Honey. You better be donating a hundred dollars to my Patriot account so that I can make more comedy videos Patreon. Honey, you're a garbage honey. If you're doing that, honey, and you what. You look at my Instagram, you see a

conventionally hot guys. You click on his link, and then you go to his pain and you see him shirt list, and you think that's hot, honey, funny, it's hot, honey. Oh you're You're not attracting me because I'm posting pictures of me in wigs, Honey. Funk off, honey. Gay men in comedy and women in comedy are not here to be your clowns, honey. We are fully realized sexual beings, honey. And I'm not your trash and I'm not going to get I'm not going to have my friend take you

out because we already did the chores this week. Honey. You don't need me to get late, honey, because you can go fuck yourself. Wow, amazing button. You might be iconic. You might wait, well, I hang in the All Stars Hall of Fame with with Pat Regan and the next I don't think so, And there might be a little format switch ap real quick before before we sign off. I have to get sentimental on you both for a

lame moment. I don't think that the listeners if you haven't been I don't think so, Honey Live, You've gotta I don't think so. Honey Live. Part one was the week leading up to it was the worst week of my entire life. I like, I don't even want to fully get into it, but basically, like dark dark, dark Ship was happening, everything that was happening, and I was like, I'm going to keep this one thing because I just need like one moment to like take my mind off

what's going on in my personal life. And I went to that show, and when I die, I will think about like the happiest moments of my life and being on that stage and like you guys, scirting me with water is one of them. That and seeing a Dina Manzelle this very day, and I was gonna write you both a handwritten think you know about what it meant to me. My god, literally you should have done that.

You should have really done that. It's called what Happened. No, don't hold that book up, um, tim No, you weren't phenomenal and truly that just that just warms our hearts. Um. And you're bringing joy to the kids, and thank you for that. And we're listening and we are so excited that you are making as much stuff as you are, and you always bring my You lift my day up whenever I see Yes, I really truly adore you both. You've had such a positive impact on my life. It's true.

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