Look Mayer, Oh, I see you my own and look over there is that culture. Yes, goodness, wow, lost culture. Lost culture is just long. My girl sneakily did this thing right before the countdown where she made me laugh. I have a habit. I have a habit of making the world very happy. Can I congratulate you on a milestone? I guess I don't know what it could possibly be. Well, you wrapped Wicked? The film?
Oh, I rapped Wicked. The film's up?
The film? Oh my god, which one is better? I think I think.
We're gonna do a third installment that's very rosen Crant and Guild and Stern are dead. Oh it's it's Fanny and Chenshin or kind of you know, navigating Oz. I kind of like navigating Oz. When Dorothy lands, I think that could be really slagh And they're trying to like get to Dorothy because like she's the new Queen Bee.
Oh my god, yeah, the new girl on the block.
The new girl on the block. I mean, Glinda is still always Queen Bee, especially in the Dorothy was sort of our story. But when Dorothy shows up, they're like, we have to find her. She killed the Wicked, but to the East, we must slay.
So your character's name is Fanny. I always want to pronounce it fan because of the way it's spelt. But your character's name is Fanny, and Glenna's other bff is named Shenshen Shenshen. So you find out that you guys are the ones that wrote Who's That Girl?
La La La La La.
La, La La La, one of the actual best melodies of all times. Actually we're really close to number twenty six. Who's That.
La is one of the best melodies of all time.
Think about it. It has everything, it has dustans, it has la la la.
And it kind of just like stretches on longer than you think it will, and then you're very happy that it's. It clocks in how it.
Does, like I dare you the next time you hear it, and it's obviously always playing to not absolutely get up and spin around in your joyous freak bag.
Oh my god, it is always playing, isn't it.
I'm just so proud of you. I'm so proud of you and your role of Fani.
Well, thank you, dear.
I think that you're going to change hearts and minds with this one. Well, the thing is, what was what.
We're l Frank Baum and baum Baum. What we're El Frank Brom not Frank Oz and of Muppet fame, what we're El Frank Bomb and Gregory maguarre a. Thinking with some of these names, I mean Winky Country. Winky, I guess, means like cock like Wiener in the UK, Pepville, Peepeville. And then Fanny means pussy.
Oh, I think I know exactly what you are. You're a fanny boy.
My name is literally pussy. And then Biero Piero comes from Wiener Country like Cockbill.
Well, that one's for the real fans out there that have the real fan service. How are you? How excited are you about potentially really young kids seeing this and writing sexy fan fiction about Fierro and Fanny.
I think unless they cut it, there's a moment, Oh my god.
I don't know. I don't know if you can spoil a girl that we are months out from this. Well, I feel okay saying that's famous line. I feel oka saying this, that's my catchphrase on this show.
There is a fun, little comedy moment between Fierro and Fanny that I hope and pray they keep.
Would you call it the like if there's like an A story and B story story, is this like the this and.
This is sad this story it goes to the Canadian alphabet. That's how bottom wrong. This is bottom wrong Canada. Sorry, Fanny story bottom.
I'm just so excited to see the film. I'm so excited that you've how long was the filming.
Okay, total, it was like one hundred and fifty days, two movies, and it's been a full calendar year of wow with the strike built in anyway, thank you, dear.
Yeah, well, we're not really here to talk about films that much now today or even upcoming films, because we
did that last week. Today is Tuesday, January sixteenth. We are sitting in the afterglow of the Emmy Awards, the Primetime Emmy Awards, and not just that, but also the fleet of award shows that have been sort of hitting us back to back to back, and you're gonna always get it again and again and again, critics Choice, Golden Globes, Emmys, boom, boom boom, and I think I have the reaction that we I mean, the one I wanted to have was that Io would sweep and now ioha swept and we're
proud of you. We are proud of you girl. Not only are you winning for great performance, but you're also turning the looks. You're being charming in every speech, every moment, very winning. We feel the industry has said it's you, girl, and we couldn't be prouder.
Go back and listen to and we're not making this about us, obviously, but listen to the Omerosa Fan Club Club. An omrosa fan club member now has Critics Choice Emmy and Golden Globe and not for nothing, SAG's coming out SAG nominee as well, and that'll also have probably happen for her. This is the thing is, it's like it's one of those moments.
And we've said before obviously we're happy because it's our friend, but it is one of those results again this year where it feels like they have chosen three shows, you know what I mean, Like it's like Beef, Succession, and the Bear and they're all incredible, but it has been a lot of the same names again and again, which is just all the award shows being packed into one.
But yeah, I mean, it's it's just so weird to see Succession like still awarded in twenty twenty four, and but it feels like, well, yeah, if that's when it was eligible, it should take everything. It just felt so long ago, a.
Little victory laugh for succession.
But I think that.
No surprises last.
Night for no, especially not at being the third award show in a row. I guess what I was surprised about was like, well, not surprised about, but like if you look at the collection of winners, you know what I will say, Like much has been said about like you know how difficult it is to get things made lately,
et cetera. But like the stuff we were awarding yesterday, the people were awarding yesterday, like you can look at it and really be like, you know, the industry really has There's been evolution in the past years, and it's really amazing to see. I mean, there was an extremely diverse group of winners, an extremely deserving group of and a lot of you know, passion behind let's call it passion behind certain shows because people are really excited about them, which is a good thing. Yeah.
I think the only non succession beef the bear winners on the acting side, where Quinta and Coolidge. Coolidge, I think those were the only two which go off and everyone else completely deserving. And I will say the biggest surprise for me of the night what Katherine Heigel being in this crazy Anatomy tribute.
We got to talk about it, so I will say I did love all of those little retrospectives. I think my favorite McBeal I just love watching I just like Callista in a bathroom and it was all voiceover and she's just like looking at herself in the rin and she's like, I look good and then like her Alan McField castmates from way back come out and like dance her over to the stage and she like shimmy's over to the mic. It was kind of wordless, but then she came out and I believe she presented either Best
Actor or Best Actress. It was Best Actor in a Drama because Kieran one. Congrats to you. Kieran well deserved. But that was my favorite. And then I have to say the Gray's Anatomy one did shake me. When they said at the end an Emmy winner Catherine Heigel, I was like, here we go.
My theory is she and Shonda have patched things up.
I don't know about she and Shonda, do you know who's in camp Team Heigel Ellen Camp Team Heigel Hegel. Ellen. Ellen has gone on records saying Catherine Heigel was ahead of her time and a lot of the stuff that she said then would have been well received now.
Well, that Actors on Actors was really interesting to me. Oh yes, and I think that's when that's when Ellen said it. She was like and then they they go into their whole like thing about I don't think it's it's more Ellen Pompeo doing this, but like and this is this is beautiful Ellen Pompeo Bostonian vibes, which is just like, I mean, now everyone has an opinion and it's like, hey, she just like you were head of your time for having an opinion back then, and she's
not wrong. But I really it really hit me where I was like, oh, we have come. We're twenty seasons into the show.
Yep. That was another thing is it was like when they said when that show debuted, I was like, oh
my god, it was twenty twenty years ago, like insane. Yeah, yeah, you know what I was thinking the other day, like do you remember when American Idol started in like two thousand and two and Paula Abdul was on the judging panel, and everyone was like, oh yeah, wow, Like now the kids get to know Paula Abdul, who was a pop star when I was young, like an old pop star she had been famously ten years before, right like now in the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty four, Like
Katie Perry is like Paula Abdul for these kids, you know what I mean, Wow, did you have about that? That's what I'm saying is it's like, oh yeah, that old pop star Katie Perry. It's like meanwhile, like we were in college for the California girls.
But you know what, Katie and I don't quite have the working knowledge of Paula Abdul's discography to like define this analog, but Katie has will always be able to hang around on Teenage Dream.
Do you know what I'm saying. I mean, it's one of the great records. It is a time capsule for us. It will always remind us of being like young, fun and free. Those are not the words what they like, they could be. Oh yeah, Katie is Katie is a legacy.
What also came out twenty years ago was mean to Girls. Oh wow, the film, Yes, I saw it a couple of days ago. I want to say that Renee rap m hmm is here to stay.
And here's what I loved about Renee's performance, Like not even for a second trying to copy Rachel, which is so the move for two reasons. A speaking about getting further away in time from certain things, like the further you get away from that performance, the more you realize it is one of the great performances. I think she should go down like in history for that. The other thing is like that type of bully wouldn't work for a movie about like a gen Z group of kids,
you know what I mean. And so Renee took it entirely in a different place. And her voice is just insane, huh.
I mean World Burn excellent, excellent.
All I wanted was I wanted the last note in World Burn held that longer, oh, like it ends in this insane, like crazy high belt, and I just wanted it extended a little bit more like the gay person and me just wanted to hear her sing louder longer.
People always want to want these girls to sing louder and longer, and we should.
That feels like a real culture to me about.
When the number is that, I think six culture number six. Gay people always want longer, and they should.
I thought that the movie was really what I what I appreciated about it was it felt almost like a tip of the cap to us, like the people that
love that original movie. It felt more of like it was like a commemoration and acknowledgment of the original movie in a way that felt really fun like and also just like its testament to its staying power, the fact that like, it feels like a lot of this movie actually stayed the same because you do have reverence for literally even the way that some of these lines were said, you know what I'm saying, Like a lot of Gretchen's stuff, It's like, how do you walk It's a tough test
because how do you walk the line between fans service, which ultimately the existence of these things are his purpose. Yeah, and also like wanting to create and give an opportunity to these people to be iconic in their own right. And it was interesting where I thought the movie went for you know, commemoration and throwback vibes, and where it went for interesting you know swings at like updating it and making it into a movie for you know, kids that are that age now.
Yeah, I feel like they had this really they, as in Tina and these directors had this really hard task in terms of modernizing it with social media stuff, right where the burn Book can kind of easily be replaced by the entire like apparatus of social media. But then they do the smart thing of just like making those things work in tandem. I don't think either thing is diminished.
No, I think it was right to update it. In the script where they were like Regina's mom found it finds the burn Book. It's like a relic that they used to do. That feels right, especially like even the prop work on that book, they made it look exactly like the old book.
Yes, yes, yeah, you know what's funny.
I think for some reason I remember in two thousand and four seeing this and feeling like I have to remember these lines, you know what I mean? Like it was like that, like you felt like there was some sort of like we were in hallowed ground watching the movie in terms of like, yeah, cinematic relevance.
I think that's what motivated me to go see it like four times in theaters when I was thirteen years old.
Yep.
Going by myself I think two out of the four, yeah, and then going up with my sister for one of them, and then I forgot who else for another. But like it was I was like, something's happening. Yeah, like this is my favorite movie ever.
I think.
Yeah, Like it just like defined everything about the way I was like speaking from then on, and I was the way I viewed the world. I was like, oh, this is all like hierarchical and this is and like this is what I like. So the year this came out it launched us into high school. We were like in the eighth grade. I think, uh, going into high school. Yeah, it's fuzzy for me, but yes, yeah yeah, And I
think it just informed everything about high school. For me, it was just going into it being like, well, this is like saw high school movies, which were big at the time, didn't really apply it to anything real or grounded or lived in in my own like little world. But then like something about me and Girls Speak based on the source material of the book by Roslyn Weisman, I was just like, oh, this is all like pretty
well studied behavioral stuff. Oh y, that's that's what makes it work, and that's what makes it Evergreen.
I think.
You know what's interesting is it's like certain things that were really integral to the plot of the two thousand and four film that really, you know, alter the direction that characters are going. Like in the update, you realize
how much our world has changed. Like, for example, in the two thousand and four version, one of the ways they destroy Regina is they fuck with her weight, and in the twenty twenty four version, the weight thing feels a little different, doesn't have as much Yeah, I realized that when like, well, for me, it felt like it actually felt even more sensitive because this is something that it feels like, I don't know, it feels like in twenty twenty four, we are in a more diverse version
of this school, and we're in a more like even though there's like bullying at play, we are like in an environment where it feels like the world has changed.
So when they're when they try to fuck with her weight in the twenty twenty four version and Renee has the line where she's like, sweatpants are all that fits me right now, it felt like darker, heavier, different and heavier now in twenty twenty four, because we know better as a culture to do this, and also like you get the sense like it hasn't really felt like they
care about their weight too much. And then at the end you're like, well, this is of course something that's still going to be sensitive, even in a time of like you know, body positivity and like talking about like being at the really at the forefront of like we're an inclusive, accepting world. It's still interesting how that's still hurt in twenty twenty four as it did in two thousand and four. I don't even know if I'm making it with a different way this, yeah, it.
Just hurts different, like they the weight thing in two thousand and four was embedded in the culture a little bit meter than it does now, where I think there's this like really tough incongruity with like the way bodies are discussed now. But I think it's still ongoing. But it's like now in like a post Ozambic culture, it's like, well, then, I guess, and then how but how do we really feel about I guess.
What I'm trying to say is like in twenty twenty four, it feels like we know better than to make this an issue, and so the character saying like sweatpants are all that fits me right now, like and her realizing that, so this is what they've done, Like it feels like even more of a betrayal because it's just weird, Like I was more on the Genus side at that point than I was in two thousand and four. Does that make sense, because I was like, totally feels like this
is really brutal. In twenty twenty four when we've had this conversation, especially gen Z is like very like, you know, there's like a refusal to at least like on face value, it's like a fusal to condemn each other for whatever your body size may or may not be. And so for that to happen in twenty twenty four felt like more of a betrayal and it almost like complicated it for me in terms of what side I was Ona versus the other plastics and Katie, you know what I mean.
Totally it makes it compelling to watch, but I think on that note of being on Regina side, it does make me think, well, in character, when Regina George make the weight gain work for her, right, and that was.
A part of the original that I was like, I didn't even think about that update, but I was like Wow, there it feels like really interesting and different when we're talking about it now via VI. Then also the queer stuff because they made a lot of updates to the to the Jena stuff, like Janis isn't out lesbian in this movie, like and she has been since she's young, and it's part of the central conflict between her and Regina, which I think also was a pretty smart update for examptally.
I think that was done well.
Yeah, in two thousand and four, the weaponization was like the closetedness and the thing of like she might be a lesbian, And in twenty twenty four, it feels like the weaponization is based on the fact that, like, you thought you had a safe space with me, right and now I'm hurting you based on your feelings and I'm emotionally manipulating you based on your feelings.
Which felt like it's still about the closet. It's still about the closet, which I think is smart. But anyway, I think it's kind of cool that it opened that it was number one, because where are we on this whole? Where where are execs on this with the whole? Like, let's hide the broccoli under the cheese when it comes to a musical, like, let's never market these things as musicals,
and then it I guess it works. I guess people are like snookered into like going to buy a ticket for Wonka when like there's no there's nothing in the publicity that's like it's musical. But then like people sit down, but then it gets butts in seats. So I'm like, Okay, I guess this is working, but I don't respect it necessarily.
I think what separates these two examples from everything else is IP. So Wonka is like people that we're gonna see Wonka were going to see Wonka because they love that property, or they love Timothy Shallame or whatever reason. So the fact that it's a musical like also kind of lives in the DNA of what that is. So you're buying into a certain thing. When you buy into the Wonka of it all, you know you're gonna go to like a surreal, silly place where if they sang
it wouldn't feel crazy. I mean, it's like that's part of what the original Wonka was. I think with Mean Girls that IP was also gonna do well regardless, Like I never for a second thought, oh that movie might not make money. Like I was actually shocked when they were putting in on Paramount play Us. Initially I was like, why wouldn't you put that in theaters? That will make money?
And so when they did and it made money, I wasn't surprised because Mean Girls say, very very it has a stronghold on like pop culture, like and that is pop culture.
I think that in a pre Aristour Barbie world, which is maybe when Paramount was deciding on where to put this, they were like, put it on the streamer. After the Year of the Girl, Summer of the Girl thing went down, they were like, wait a minute, women love to spend money at.
The theat's in so insane that they realized that. Yeah, it's like the fact that Barbie and Ariostour like quote unquote needed to happen, or needed to play out, or needed to at least feel like it was going to play out for them to make a decision to put Mean Girls in theaters. Like I understand, we all want to help that, they all want to help their streamers out,
so that's part of it. But it's just like, of course this movie was gonna make money, you know, it's mean Girls like it's not even like a hit movie from twenty years ago like anything else. This is mean girls, Like this is something that is readily quoted twenty years later, and people don't even think about the fact that they're quoting the movie because it became part of the lexicon,
you know what I mean. Like, yeah, it's just how many of these lines did they feel like they couldn't change because they're so important to people, you know, Like I know, color me totally unsurprised, but in terms of the musical of it all, like the fact is they do hide it. They hide it all the time.
So strange, so strange to me. Anyway, This is me like coming off of not that I was heavily involved in any of this discussion, but like all respect to Josh Sharp and Aaron Jackson for oh yeah, like make a film and like going with it and calling it dicks the musical, right, Like God bless you for putting musical in your title.
Yeah, I mean. Also, it's just like I don't believe this thing. And I get that there's like empirical data, but I don't believe this thing that people don't see musicals, because wasn't it not that long ago that one of the biggest hits of the entire year was Greatest Showman. Like you know what I'm saying, It's just like, what about these examples that make a fuck ton of money? And maybe I'm naive, but isn't it just the movie should be good?
Yeah, but that's so arbitrary, and I don't know so the people I guess greenlighting it. Maybe Yeah, I guess it's that thing where these studios are more and more separated by this chasm of not knowing what the audience is anymore. Right, it's just about the audience relationship, and there are more and more agnostic things about capital T capital A the audience, right, I'm speaking so absolutely.
But it's just weird because like you'd think that they would understand that when you activate a demographic that you can literally see activated over the things they love in all media, like, for example, like in music, that demographic literally even if the rastor movie never came out, even if the errors tour never happened. You know how Gavanos I are for like Taylor Swift and Harry Styles and
like all those things. So why wouldn't you make something for that market that can engage them and make them dress up and make them like interact with each other and like in some cases meet each other. You know what I mean, to engage on this thing because we know how powerful culture is. I mean, that's how we do this podcast. It's like these things literally bring people together.
So it's just like the hesitancy about whether to put mean girls in theaters to me is just like I understand not wanting to just pull the trigger and just do it, but like what a sure thing it is to make money, at least from my preview, Like had that bombed, I would have been really surprised.
Right, right, same thing kind of applies, but not quite to color purple. Like right, it did great?
Yeah, well, especially something that's like literally tried and true, like both those things. I think. You know what must have really scared people is the West Side Story of it all. But genuinely, think about who the audience for West Side Story was and when they were opening it, Like it's not rocket science to find out that that might not do well. It was a nostalgia movie geared towards older people. It is unabashedly a musical, there's no way to hide it. And it's long, and it was
pretty deep COVID. It was like a dark time for COVID, So that to me shouldn't be a bell weather for musicals in film, right.
But yeah, that was kind of the like crater for a second and now we're coming out of it.
Yeah, it felt like, well, if that failed, we can't do this genre. And I'm like, just because it's a famous musical doesn't mean that people would want to see it. Like I know fifty people who you say you want to see me and girls in the musical dated at least be like, oh, yeah, I definitely want to check it out. I love the movie. You say, west Side Story, that's a different askue.
Right, They're like I am not necessarily interested or I am so emotionally attached to the original, like there are a million reasons for people not to see.
It, yeah, yeah, yeah, or also like you know it's gonna be really sad. You know it's gonna be really dark. Yeah, Like as much as it's like that, and that's me doing lay littl sharks and jets dance Like it's sad, it's dark, it's deep.
Like you disrespect Leonard Bernstein again and.
He gonna always get it again and again it good again. We got some blowback last week for our what we're apparently hot takes.
People have really turned on me for my innocent not innocent I was. I guess I was pretty like, uh, who cares? But I'm like, you know, she'll be fine everyone. But if people want to listen, listen, this is a beautiful thing to me. If your affinity for Rosamond Pike is more important than our friendship, relationship or your relationship to this podcast, I understand, and listen, go off, go off. This actress who maybe has nothing in common with most of us, Like, if you want to line up.
With that, go ahead, love someone someone DM this was this was so it's a chill out my spine. Oh no. And I didn't even say anything really negative about her. I said, I do think she's pulled it off, said.
Some of this was.
It was funny moment. It was like a serial killer. Someone sent me a picture of her and said, you will you will never be a challenged or a successful The same person sent me the same thing and I was like, oh god, it sent a chill up my spine. I was like getting a message from the traders.
It's from the trail, which we have to talk about. But I'm like, but in that moment, when I saw that message, I laughed and I was like, well, this bitch is clearly listening to the podcast.
I was like, thanks for your readership.
I went full Monica Garcia and I blocked. I was like, okay, I actually also blocked. I almost responded to watch me, bitch, but I just challenge accepted, challenge accepted on my way to rosmand Pike levels of fame and success.
Bitch, I'll see you there.
I mean, listen. I feel bad that she fell down the stairs at Christmas and therefore she had to wear that cage around her face at the Golden Globes, and I.
Think she's really talented. I disagree with my sister on the basis of has she ever pulled it off? I think that she has pulled it off.
And I and I said it as an asterisk, she has pulled it off as well. Her dream is supreme.
First of all. Really, all I have to say is I don't.
Want to talk about her anymore. But let's be finish this.
No no, but I will double down on this thing about gone girl, because like people were like floored that we would say that Reese Witherspoon would make a better Amy and Gone Girl. That's my opinion. In the words of the Great Tamor Judge Hemmer Trader's Season two that's my opinion. That's Bowen's opinion. We have a different view on what would have made Amy effective in that movie. If you think obvious Ice Queen from Go works better for you, and you love the turn and you love
the way she did the cool girl monologue, congratulations. Many millions agrees, so do Academy voters. That's incredible. I thought she was good, but they're could have been more of a misdirect in that characterization from the beginning. That's my opinion. And if you don't think Reese Witherspoon is capable of that, you have not seen the work you went to see.
Ol. People are saying that we are pro recent in this case because we want to work on her projects. It's to say that we like, isn't getting anywhere near me.
It's so funny to be like, well, they probably want to work with Reese. It's like, Babe, we want to work with Emerald Finel too. It doesn't make us stop saying we didn't think Saltburn was a ten, Like this is, these are our opinions?
Can I get real? Either we are too filtered and to like say it walking on eggshells because we're like in the morass now with these people, or it's that when we do express an honest, authentic, genuine opinion, it's because we're like bitchy game, like you remember that we have the wrong of it.
What do you want from us? People? That's all?
We love you guys. I never have felt any real actual contempt for anything in this lost culturistas ethos, but like, it's okay if you guys don't like the same movies as us, it's okay. If we don't like the same movies as you, it's fine. We're all having fun here.
It's actually art and subjective. Like someone said to me that if we were talking about the SAG nominations, and in my group chat, I was talking about, like, you know who I might vote for because you know, bo Andy Are and SAG and we get to vote for this one. So I was like, you know, for Best Actress, I might vote for Margot Robbie And people were like why, oh God, And I was like, oh, because art is subjective, and that's my opinion, and I don't think anyone else
could have played Barbie. I respect the way that she crafted an arc of stereotypical perfection into human realization, into full blown humanity. I don't think it was easy, you know. I don't see a ton of people producing their movies the way that she seems to actively produce it. She hasn't won a big award like this, and I liked her performance and I'm torn between her and Emma, that's my opinion. But people would treat me like it was like a Jill Stein vote. I was like, I don't
care about being right or predictive. I am in the union. I'm gonna vote for the performance that I think was the best. I have a lot of respect for Margot Robbie and her characterization, and I've voted for her before for SAG, I voted for her for Ititanya. I'm a fan. That's my vote. That's my opinion. This is what makes art a beautiful thing to discuss on a podcast like Class Culturista.
Now, speaking of Tamra Judge, shall we move on to The Trader season two?
Yeah?
Yeah we should.
I'm so happy this show has returned.
Oh, first of all, if you want to get into Traders like you're so in luck, because there's the whole first season of US, there's a great season of UK and an excellent season of Australia, the same game familiar. But really, what's so great about this is you see how just the dynamics of a cast can change the entire way and outcome and upper hand like that a faithbook can have over a Trader. I also love all
the different hosts. But speaking about the second season of Traders, I think we have probably the greatest reality TV cast of all time. Every fandom is eating good, as they would say, and I just can't I can't think that they could have offered better fan service that also feels like exciting, watchable gameplay and not just fan service. I just can't think of a better way they could have done it, Like the way it shook out is so iconic.
Genuine moments of triumph in my viewing experience.
And let's just say not spoilers here. Spoilers. This is spoilers for the first three episodes of Traders. Don't say we didn't say it, Okay, continue, Sorry.
Maybe we'll insert a little thing here to tell you where to skip too. But I watched it with a group of friends who have not seen any Traders before, and everyone was remarking. We were all just laughing, applauding at every single thing Alan coming was saying. Because I think whenever drag Race wants to, like whenever Rupe Paul even just wants to like take a step back from racking up all these Emmies, like Alan deserves some kind of recognition for the work he's doing here.
He's having so much fun doing it. He does look amazing, and also he has It's like that thing when a host is perfectly matched to yes the show, you know what I mean. He's in the fabric of that show. And it's funny because when you do watch the international versions from UK and Australia, it's the same vibe with those hosts, like you buy it and you love it. But there's something about Alan. He's just got this gravitas that's also playful, that's also very authoritative, like just perfect.
And I hope for again, not that it really matters, but like I hope for recognition for him at the Emmys for this, and I'm hoping that all the Traders needed to do was establish itself as a show. That's like a real hit and a real zegeist moment, because I mean if the rubric, like I always say, is could anyone else have done it this? Well, I don't think anyone else does it as good as Allan No.
And speaking of that rubric, no one is doing it as well as Parverty Shallow. And this is a spoiler, there's a moment where she is recruited to the Traders. Yeah. I launched out of my chair and applauded.
It was I mean, so I think that I was praying to God when they said it was between the four of them, because they were choosing between and this was so long. They were choosing between Janelle from Big brother who is an icon. Yeah, my sister is freaking out about Dan and Janelle from Big Brothers. She's like, you don't understand. They picked the two best people. She's like, this is gonna be major. Like Dan is an icon, like et cetera. Apparently he played the best game of
Big Brother ever. And it's like funeral or something like that was his own death or something. It's like very very insane, but like it was between them Larsa, Sandra and Parvety.
The Larsa thing, their logic was, let's break up that couple of Larsa and Marcus. But the Sandra thing, I mean you, you made a very good observation to Sandra always plays best from the bottom.
From the bottom, she's a really amazing You can see in her first two games of Survivor she has a rough time yea. She plays defensively really well because people just don't think they have to worry about her. And then meanwhile she's been right under the surface, collecting, doing it. She's carrying the bones. And then in her last two games with Survivor, when her ego was sort of part of her thing, Queen stays queen, et cetera, and she plays very aggressively. I very clear she has to go.
And so what I'm seeing her do in Traders so far is she's being a little bit more on the side. She's playing as a faithful she's playing from the bottom. So that makes her a threat.
Now I only remark on this because it is that you're twenty twenty four, But for her to have a substantial amount of money, yeah, from winning Survivor twice, and that you're twenty twenty four to have full on braces on TV. Now braces on TV and not in visiln like, you can at least go for the invisile line.
I don't think she should change a thing. I think Sandra should keep following her every in the morning iconic she wakes up in the morning and opens her eyes. She should always do the first thing that comes to her mind. She cannot lose braces on TV as a full grown woman who should have the money to work around this. I say Chef's kiss.
She is so necessary right now, in this moment, in this moment of reality television competition, specifically Survivor specifically where everyone's like collectively rediscovering it. It's so important that she's back on her televisions.
Oh and I will say, but I mean, surviver fans know, you can't pick better people than Sandra and Parveny. You just can't. Like that's like exactly right. And then I would say the challenge people would probably say the same thing about CT and Bananas and even Trischelle, Like those are characters. Drag Race people had peppermint for a short time, but you know, at least we had that and then the how Housewives. They've chosen pretty fun housewives for this.
I mean even Larsa, who's about as dumb as a rock, like, has been showing a galvanization in the wake of Marcus's murder. That's like really interesting.
It's very interesting because she's right, she's intuitive, and I think they even, oh, no, this is I'm reading an Agatha Christie book where someone says the way women form their intuition is from like this like undercurrent of like analyzing every single thing, every single input that comes their way, and I think, like there is I think the Housewives are actually everyone's like, oh, like even people on the show are like, well, the Housewives aren't like physical players,
and they don't like they're very new to this whole concept of reality competition. But it's like the Housewives have this these antenna that are extremely useful for a game like this, and Larsa has Dan's fucking number.
I think it's also a mistake to not think of
Housewives as a game. I think a lot. I think it's a mistake to think that they don't compete because what you see every season, especially as the show has become as a franchise, something that is really really really embedded and feels like it does feel gamified in a way, because I mean, what you want if you are really someone who wants to play this game and wants to keep the check and wants to keep the spotlight and wants to keep the platform, you want to be sitting
next to Andy on that couch. You want to be safely let's call it center Diamond. And so you're playing mind games on like another level, you know what I mean? Is it mentally healthy? Probably not. But for example, like there were winners and losers of the recent salt Lake season, you know what I mean, Like the winner of salt Lake was Heather this season, the loser was Monica. In that social game, the Core four win, the Faithful's win.
The faithfuls wand oh my god, I need to rewatch this season of salt Lake with the frame of this is a season of the traders.
I mean, think about it. It was someone it was someone with a knowledge the rest of them didn't have the entire time trying to make them feel comfortable, yeah yeah, and trying to eliminate other people on that cast based on lies. Like it's not that different. So to think that a housewife can't win the show is a mistake.
Huge mistake. I'm curious to see how far Tamera goes, obviously curious to see how far Phaedra goes.
I think is great.
They're not cutting to chart in the confessional at all, which really is strange to me. And it must something must have happened on the production side, where like it wasn't usable or something, and like.
Well, not everyone can get it's a large cast, and not everyone can get airtime. And I feel like, right now, well, it's two things, right, It's like one thing is like they have to actually follow the game that's being played, and another thing is based on a rewatch, you actually have to be able to track the winner from the first episode. Like that's just like an editing rule of reality television.
But speaking of the editing, they're not investing in anything that Jari's doing at all, which makes you go, don't win. But like if he's sticking around for at least four episodes, then like cut to her for us at least a couple seconds. That's I don't know. I'm just a little confused.
I'm thro they do a pretty good job on this show of making it feel like everyone is a part of the show when that literally can't be the case. I do want to take this moment to say, over the past two days, you know what I've done, I finally binge watched this most recent season of Survivor. Forget what you heard. This was a great season. This season was excellent. It was the most dynamic relationships I've seen
on this show in a really long time. I am confident calling it, I think the best season of the new era it is. It's really good and the winner is era. Yes, the winner is a ten. Wow, the
winner is a ten. I don't want to say anything because I think you'll have fun watching it, but really compelling, like strategic moves out of relationships and not just gameplay, which I've been missing on this show for a really long time, Like long scenes that are just establishing relationship and storyline and character dynamics that I think make the show really compelling. And it's great to see someone win playing a great strategic game but also being really winning
in that respect. Ten out of ten, this was a great season, and it starts weird because some of the players are not odd but really really really worth it. And I'm happy that I got to binge it all in once, because that's the way I love to watch Survivor. So how I trained myself to watch it during the pandemic. But everyone jump in and anyone that watched it live and was like, what are you doing? You got to watch you were right? I finally did, and I love it.
I love to hear this. I love to hear this.
So are you predicting who are you predicting to win? Traders at this moment?
Well, it's faithfuls are always at a disadvantage. And this is if you've played enough games of Mafia or Werewolf or whatever, you know this already. Like there was real period where we were playing this all the time at Chinese school on Sundays, like it was the obsession, and Mafia usually wins. It's really hard for these faithfuls to root out who among them is deceiving, cunning, whatever. But I think my opinion, and this is me being pretty big brother illiterate, I feel like Dan is not as
smart as he thinks he is. He's not playing obviously, like his scent is sort of wafting through the halls a little bit. I think that he's not making it till the end, and I think that what's showing. What was interesting about last season mild spoil if you haven't seen the first season of The Traders us SII was able to manage these boys, and what's happening now is Dan thinks he can manage these women, but he is in over his head. It's very much giving. I know
better because I'm a man. I'm sorry, that's just how it's coming off to me.
I think also, well, I was having this discussion the other day, which is if I'm a contestant on The Traders and I look around and I'm someone who knows something, and I look at someone like Dan, I look at someone like Poverty, I'm thinking thinking, well, they're gonna want to pick them as a Trader, yeah, because that's what the audience wants to see. So I hear that argument.
But at the same time, as someone who is like a fan of several different franchises here, when they picked Fedra, I wasn't surprised at all, because that to me felt like Housewives fan service. And I feel like someone who loves Big Brother feels the same way about Dan Da, someone who loves Survivor feels the same way about poverty. Yeah, And in that respect, you kind of can't really use the logic of, oh, well, they had to pick them, because every single fandom has that person and they can't
all be picked as traders. So like, if I'm there, you have to go solely off gameplay. And that's where knowing something about these franchises comes into play, because if you see Dan acting weird, then Dan's acting weird, you know what I mean. Also, I think it's different when everyone is a reality show person who's trained to think in this psychotic way, where like you can't be quiet, damn, Like you don't have the option of being quiet. You look suspicious because you wouldn't be quiet.
Right, And Parvity, I think is doing great. I think she's flying under the radar a little, Like all three of these traders are a little too quiet for my liking. But Parverty walking around with this Chalice was hilary, yes, because I don't think it's the gameplay that she's used to No, And I had pure I had like real anxiety watching her. I was like, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, she's being so obvious. She's being so obvious. Yeah, like and readers
Kase public Is finalists. If you don't know what we're talking about, just please please please try and watch this as soon as you can. You won't regret it. But part walking around with this goblet, I was like, she is not used to this kind of like surreptitious behavior necessarily, and the way that survivor you can sort of like couture intentions in like communication. This is her with something physical, being in like a crowd of people, so many variables
around her. It's it's a little panic inducing for me as a viewer.
Yeah, and this is where I think, like as a viewer, you're just looking for things that they're not Like I think us as viewers, we with the knowledge of poverty as a trader walking around with that Childice, We're like, oh my god, she's so obvious. I genuinely think if you're there, you might just forget that she could hand you something that's a poisoned drink, you know what I mean. Like it's like like that's where it's. It really makes it seem like it should be easier and more obvious
until you're doing it. I would imagine that I would imagine it's like anything else where it's just like anyone on the couch would be like, oh, I'd absolutely this, like you should have seen me yesterday watching Star ivor being like, well, here'd be my game plan, Like no, it wouldn't.
Bitch, all that's are off when you're all that's are off.
But they couldn't have picked I mean, the outcome was incredible. I mean when I heard her voice laughing, I was like, oh my god, they actually picked her, and it was similar to what you were saying, like I think. I got up out of my seat and paced around. I was like, I love my life.
I love my life. I hate how the Peppermint stuff shook out and fucking Trischelle they still haven't spoken. I saw a headline where Peppermin Tritill still haven't spoken because Trischelle is a fucking loser.
I didn't love the way that shook out. I didn't like. I just wish it didn't have to go that way. One thing I'll say is like you do get the sense that Peppermint is like a very big personality, and you can like they do tend to leap on the big personalities, especially early when they have nothing to go off. But that whole situation with them talking and then Chelle making Peppermint's reactions so much more than it was felt like amplifying something in a negative way.
Yeah, I know what you're feeling, right, I know what you're saying it. Yeah, we'll leave it at that.
Cut to Charat. I am not happy right now. Art is so funny.
Sharia is so funny that I hope she stays a little bit longer than we expect her to, but we're not expecting her to.
She's the bone collector, like she carries the bones. I mean, you know me, I want Housewives supremacy, Like there would be nothing I want more than to watch this be all Housewives. Insane social tactics being used in Tamra interrogating this man from Parliament about his asthma was completely out of fam.
Tamra's gameplay so far. I'm like, okay, her asking like Vernon Haaler when they're running. I'm like, pretty smart, pretty clever.
I think nothing's been as smart so far than Poverty faking out that she was going to vote Dan crossing out the D and.
Then yes, oh my god, I was obsessed with that.
She's just good. She's just thinking more than she just hasn't missed the step. She has not missed a fucking step.
I was thinking about the web in black Wood a Brigade, and I was just like, I was just thinking about her thing with them what's his face in Micronesia? Of like, who do you want to take to the end? Girls?
Yeah?
So such a great TV moment Charay though, I'm like, have we talked enough on this podcast about the force that is Chara Whitefield? Just like the staying power of so many of the things that she said. I was with Tomas Modos the other day and like, oh, I'm joah. We were laughing and then someone was talking about like the beat of a song, and then like immediately they launched it too. Definitely I liked I like to like, I like the beat.
I like to beat.
And if you go check me boo?
Of course I watched who Go and Check Me a Boo? Frequently And my sister, who's like a huge big brother and cyber fan, doesn't know how his wives. She was like, how do I know who these people are? I just sent like four clips that would get them all across, and of course I sent who Going Check Me a Boo? And she was like my sister was streaming, screaming, laughing at like what played out? What transpire between Shreg and
the party planner. I mean it's like kind of television, so good customer service, customer.
And then and then whatever happened to Hello, how are you?
My name is?
My name is? How are you are you? My name? My name is?
And then and then the thing that gets overlooked in the simmer Spring Summer moment is Candy is Candy going like he's asked me like when it's coming out or something. And then and then tore Goo's it's quiet like like like brushes her off. And then he goes, Okay, well it wasn't clear, and sregoes, you're not being clear, Atlanta.
We have to say, Atlanta.
We have to save our girls. Girls.
And I'm telling you like so of course, like there's been interview. I'm obsessed with the traders, like I cannot stop, and so I'm watching all their interviews and like trying to suss out, like based on what they're saying in the interviews with like ET or whatever the fuck online, like like whether or not they stay. I was watching an interview with Shrey and they were like, what's up with Real Housewives of Atlanta? Like when are we gonna hear? And she was like, well, there's gonna be a cast
shake up. And I was like, please God, like, let's fix Atlanta. And by fixing Atlanta, I don't mean fire everybody, because I understand why that needed to happen to for New York. I'm not there yet with with Atlanta.
But what do you think, like Drew Sonya Marlowe gone, I.
Think they have to go. I just don't think marlow I don't think Marlowe is.
She does not hold the peach.
Well, I don't think it's positive, you know what I mean, Like, I just it feels I don't know, it just feels like something dark sided about it. Whereas like I think we can move forward with Kenya Candy, Well, Candy's so hugely popular that you kind of can't just like fire her, but like I don't think she gives great story, but
maybe she could. And then Charay and you know, I just I want the classic girls, you know Atlanta in the seasons where Porsha was there, where Faedra was there, where Cynthia Bailey was there, like you know, not to say, but like Nini in her prime, there was no one better. Obviously, we'll never get those days back because nin is never coming back. But we could do it. We could do it with these great characters that we know and love. It's it's just I don't know, it has to make sense.
It has these they have to have real relationships. It's like any of the shows.
Yeah, Brick Ashley did a whole video essay about how Potomach is in its flot I watch it an article.
Yeah, it was the whole thing about how like how disappointing it is to have, you know, when Dey and Neca against each other, the way that they are based on culture and based on you know, heritage, and it's really ugly. And they really called out the way that it feels like the goalposts do move for certain cast members. You know, it's in its flop ear.
I would agree, But I'm so thrilled that Brooke Ashley shares our opinion, which is break up or just get rid of entirely the Green Eye biendas.
She was making a really good point about how Beverly Hills this season is so because because they got rid of, you know, a toxic element of the group. And I say this as someone who has really liked has done before. But at a certain point, like we know what the show is with gizl. You know what I'm saying. It's like,
we know I'm bored. We know what the environment and the setting and the feel of the show is with Giselle at the center, and it's not working anymore, and who knows, maybe it will be a lot better at this point, like it can't get worse, and I don't think Pasona can get worse.
What a hateful person. I will say it till the day I die. Giselle, Brian, God, you are a canker on this state.
We're gonna get dms now that are like I don't picture pictures of Gazel being like you will never be as talented and successful as.
Bring them forth, Come forth? Oh thoughts on yes?
And I like yes and a lot like it's so funny, Like I knew when I was first hearing it, I'm like, oh, people are gonna be like I don't know about this, and then in two sbins they're gonna be like it's my favorite song. And that's what happened. I just was like trying to put myself in the mind frame of
like this is going to be a fucking moment. I happen to like it from the very beginning, Like I really did like the song, but there was that reaction that I could tell was gonna happen, which is, I might need to listen to this a bunch of times. And now it feels like people are turning a corner
and liking it. But it certainly feels like an installment in that type of song we've been getting again and again, which is that like house, you know, House inspired, like you know, summer bop, Like it's certainly in vogue right now to do this type of song, but it's also like very essentially Ari. I feel like her DNA is in there. Yeah.
I love the swing of You're not getting a vocal from me until it's forty five seconds into the song.
Yeah, I love that. I have a different opinion on this because I think after recording the album, I really have an appreciation for just how layered and like textured she is in all of her music, even if she's not like belting down like right, just listen to the little harmonies in like little places where there's vocals and like really extra color and just like she's two things. She's an amazing singer, she's also an amazing recording artist.
And I really like the way that she creates her like scape, like I just I'm really into it, Like I'm really listening to positions again in the album which was like fucking shit in the Pandemic it was for me. Yeah, But that's what I'm saying is it's like I think a lot of her music people call growers because they're not appreciating appreciation. They're not appreciating just how fun and how much there is and like her more quote unquote simple music where she's not singing to the rafters.
But the consistent thing with her her stuff is that
it's always technically very lush. And have you seen this this video that she put up of her It's like I want to say, like five to six seven eight minutes long of her like on pro tools, Yeah, picking the takes, going back being like well, I sound like I'm actually speaking English in this one, like she like you hear her thought process and she's teaching Max like the shortcuts and like how to do things in proach, Like she's telling Max Martin like little production things, you
know what I'm saying, Like she like she is this like technical person literally on like the software level. Yeah, in a way that I think people are finally starting to appreciate. Yeah, because they think of old they think, oh, like singer, the singer, and the looks and the makeup and the know all this stuff. But it's like this is a fully rounded artist.
Yeah.
She is very intentional and thoughtful about what she wants to say in each song she thinks of. She is an album artist down she has this very holistic view on things. In terms of her body of work. She is really excited. That's all I can say firsthand.
Yeah, she I mean, she's kind of got all the tools. She's a great singer. She's like a really adepth producer. She's someone who can create her own work lyrically. She also has great taste, and she also has a really
really really strong individual brand. All that stuff that comes together, like it's kind of unbeatable and really sets her apart I think from a lot of other people, you know what I mean, Like it's and so therefore it feels like she can kind of do whatever she wants to do and people aren't going to be like, they're never
gonna say Ari flop era, They're just not. And even when she goes through her you know, publicized struggles, right like, she's always going to have her gift and her talent, and it feels like she's always able to kind of divert back to that in a way that I think is like a kind of crucial in an era where people are always going to be up in the business and think that they know better and be like something where maybe if she does make a mistake, she always
has that you know what I'm saying. It's like it's six of one and no one knows really what's actually going on, but everyone knows that she's fucking talented as fuck.
Yeah, yeah, I wanted to. Can I quickly shout out one one other thing before we move on Waxahatchie new single right back to it excellent, beautiful if you're a Waxahachi fan, subscribe to her substack and she like is really writing some beautiful pieces, like long form things about how like she's writing me songs and it's really interesting. I'm so excited she 'ose back. She did send me the whole album that's coming out in March. It is great, fantastic.
I'm so, so so excited. Now I'm going to reach out.
I want to hear it.
Katie, Katy, Crutch, Gil come on, Crutch, come on, Crutch up prior guest of the pod of course, if you were aware. Okay, that's all so.
Speaking about when you say prior guest, I think that Balin and I want to take this opportunity to just talk about the podcast and just talk about how in our ninth season we want to evolve and we want to feel like the podcast is while this is so fun, not always us just talking about the culture catchup, because let's just be real. As you guys have seen, we don't have a lot of guests anymore. And that's for
a couple reasons. I think that I can say for us like we've gotten busier, and I think that while the guests are incredible, they require a certain amount.
Of prevage our alignment.
Yeah, and there's just a lot going on. And the truth is that Bowen and I really like just doing it like this, and it's no shade to the concept of guests, and we're not saying we're not going to have guests, but it's just shook out the way that this is the way the podcast is happening now and
we love it. And you know, in the next few months, like leading up to our four hundredth episode, which is so exciting, Bowen and I aren't going to be in the same place because I have to remain in Los Angeles for good reasons and Bowen has to be in New York for what we know are good reasons. So we wanted to think of a way to create a new element of the podcast, and we came up with something that we're pretty excited about.
We have not really named it. And is that an important piece to this you think? Or no, I think we should index what this is because it is not quite a segment. It is a new facet of the full prism of the podcast. Yeah, but basically, what we're gonna do is we are going to randomly.
Oh, you have it, Okay, a goblin. I have a goblet in my hands, so bowing before. But the reason I was two minutes late to the zoom and I can admit to being two minutes late to the zoom
is because so this is what happened. Bow When texted me the other day and he made a great point, which was that you know a lot of times, like especially like in podcasting now, where it feels like there's a million a lot of people are doing the thing of two people talking, and we just want to make sure that we feel ahead of this thing and don't make it feel like what was that article that you said, like results in like over indulgent blood when people are just talking to each other.
This is a piece in Byline, which is lovely, lovely, lovely new online publication that is really trying to fill in this really sad, huge gaping hole in media right now where like there is no place for new writers to start, Like we're not in a time of like man Repeller, Gawker, like you know, Roocky mag anymore. And as all these things get like bought out by these bigger media entities, and it's very sad. And anyway, it's
quite sad. But they did a whole profile on these on the two founders in the New York Times that I thought was really interesting. But someone writes this piece about podcasting becoming overcrowded. We know this to be true already. I sent Matt this little excerpt. Podcast need to embrace these analogy. The trend towards open ended podcast leads to
over indulgent glut and ultimately audience fatigue. Creating podcasts with different themes and seasons allows those making them time to ebb and flow and fold in new ideas.
This is a new idea, and we're very excited about it. Yeah, and so we're gonna be doing it all the way up until our four hundredth episode. I have a goblet in my hands, and this is the goblet of cultural years. So these are there are fifty years in this goblet, and so every episode we're going to at the end pick out of the goblet of cultural years and whatever year that is, and it's the most recent fifty years, we are going to on the following episode do a
full cultural excavation. We're going to be talking about the news of this day, the pop culture of this day, how they interacted, what the top games were, yes, sorry, what the top films were, what the top music was, what the top stories were, What was happening to the girls in this year, What we remember of this year if we were alive, what we can find out about this year and do a full blown cultural excavation on that year, sort of calling back to the very origin
of this podcast, which is Last Culture Recess. We are culture curators and excavators, so we are really excited about this because it's going to not be homework but also be educational culture and this podcast being mentioned in academic work. I mean, I can't really think of a better move for us in terms of us getting an honorary degree from Harvard one day.
You know what I mean, absolutely, that is the goal here, and I am very excited. I am so curious to see what this first year is should we find out, Let's find out, Let's find out.
Of reaching into the goblet of cultural years, and this will be on our next episode. We will be deep diving, twirling and thriving in the year that I pick out, and it's in my hand right now. That year is bowing. The gods are shining on us. I'm because this was a culturally ripe year and it's an important year for you and I. Nineteen eight, two thousand and nine, two thousand and nine will be the year that we culturally excavate on the next episode of Last Culturistas. I mean,
I'm already bursting at the seams. This was such a.
I already know what I'm gonna talk about. DJ Earworms, United States of Pop Mashup. That was his best work. That was one of the best mashups in the history of mashups. It's mashup culture. We're talking about mashup culture. We're talking about girl talk, We're talking about all the pop girlies. I'm so excited.
You know what happened is the culture gods. They actually heard us say Katie Perry teenage dream earlier in that yeah, and they were like, well, let's get truly into it on the next episode of Last Culture. Wow. I didn't realize how much I love this idea until we did this.
I can't think of a better year.
This is good. So you can now think of Last Culturistas as the occasional guest will come on. If there's anything really, really insane that's happened in the culture, we might do a full culture catch up. Think of Last Culture is just going forward as a third culture catch up, a third cultural excavation from the hands of the goblet of culture, and then a third I don't think so, honey, in the aftermath, how about that? I love that?
And obviously the pie chart is going to be a little uneven at times. I don't think So Honey might take up a mere three minutes all told, but we're excited. I think this is nothing is really fundamentally changing about the podcast, and it's a thrill and we're very excited, but it has.
To remain fresh, you know what I mean? Like, and I think that this is just something that if you really think about it, like, I don't think I ever have more fun than when we're doing our like you know, our rankings and our lists and our stuff like that. And I feel like this is like in the family of that in a way that we can make a permanent part of the podcast. I'm like, super excited about it. Yes, let's go into I don't Think So Honey. On that note, I'm into it.
What even is that I don't Think So Honey is our segment we've done every episode where we take one minute each to go into a diatribe about something that's really bothering us in the culture. And do you have something, Matt Rodgers, I do.
I do.
I we missed a Golden Clobes recap when we did our last episode because we recorded it right prior.
And yes, I have something to say, Okay, this is exciting, this is Matt Rogers's I don't think so many as time starts now, I.
Don't think so honey, that ten days is not enough time to put together jokes for a Golden Globes monologue. I understand that it's a really high profile gig, and watching it, I even think sometimes this is a no win gig. But you have ten days to put together what is essentially really only has to be a five to ten minute bit. And I'm not dragging because I
feel like he's been dragged enough. But Joe Koi has been in the game since nineteen ninety four, so I would imagine that he knows a lot of people that he could have gotten together to put a rum together. And also that room could have included people who really cared about or knew about those movies. Because the fact that we ended up with a situation where we have to compare Oppenheimer, whose story was based on a book, to Barbie, whose story was based on a doll with
big boobies. It was humiliating, and that was a really early joke to throw your writers onto the bus. You didn't picked the right writers. You are given the opportunity of a lifetime. Don't blame it on everything else. Ten days is a lot of time.
That's one minute.
I can't imagine what it's like to be noted a thing like this. You've written for the Globes. If you can provide some insight into this, I would love to hear it. It just felt ridiculous to me that that a ended up what it was quality wise, and B that the story ended up being what it was, which is well, production was such a nightmare. I only had ten days stop up, up up By now I'm spinning out publicly.
So on that note, we got there for the year that Andy Saberg and Sandra Oh hosted. I think like six days, six or five days of lead time. I agree, it's like it's ten days to write eight minutes, right, and maybe come up with like two three quick little bits interstitially throughout the show, whether that's something in the audience, something on stage, something outside of whatever. Right, there's a
lot of latitude there. You were well resourced to. Like the reason I went was because it was it was my first season working at SNL, and like there was this sort of I think Sandra wanted some Asian writer. So I went, Karen, she went, and Sudi and Fran had written for her. I'm just it's an honor to be Asian. Thing at the Emmys that summer, so like they were able to have their pick of who was right for them. I would imagine Joe Koy had the same latitude. So all that being said, I agree with you.
I think it's just to matter though, of this guy not being embedded in that room. Right, it's everyone being like, who is this guy? He's not one of us? And then you put that together with the jokes being what they were.
They were rough and also one of the lamer jokes of it in that it wasn't even a hard joke but got a lot of pick up for no reason. Was this Taylor Swift thing this?
Right?
First of all, there's not a more innocuous joke than one difference between the Golden Globes and the football whatever is that there's left cuts to Taylor Swift first of all. Then they cut to her. She didn't look pissed. She was just playing along, like looking pissed and taking a sip of her champagne. I don't think there's anything negative about that. That she acted. I just thought, like there's a fervor around that joke because of her fan base,
because of her what it is? Yeah, yeah, that was. That was like a perfectly whatever, middle of the road like five of a joke at that show. There were some truly heinous jokes at that show, which I think is exactly what you're saying, the root of it being he doesn't fucking care about this opportunity. I would doubt that he watches these movies.
I have to be told, Ali Wong had to tell him, Like they were asking him, like what was the advice Like before the show, they were like, what advice have your friends given you? Your fellow comedians given you. He was like, well, Ali Wong, my good friend told me to watch all the movies. Yeah, which I don't think made a difference at all. Like I don't think like you could tell that he had even his whole thing if I didn't have a New Year's I was watching
all these movies while everyone else is stringing champagne. It's like, well, none of that showed.
That wasn't I mean, you didn't. That wasn't. None of that was in the Like you made a joke about Barbie's Boobies. Why did you watch all the movies that you should have had a New Year's.
It's like your writers are going to watch all these movies and write jokes about that. I don't quite know who these people ended up being. I don't know if it's anyone that we know, which is neither here nor there. I just think it's complicated because it's just like a perfect shit storm of stuff, like he blames them, he panics. It's like it's every bad, rough, worst case scenario thing transpired. What's sad to me is that this is like pulling in all these conversations about is there a need for
a host? It kind of feeds into this larger cultural conversation that we're all having about or not that we're all having that they're all that's in the back of our minds about comedy and about how like if hard comedy has a place anywhere, Because if hard comedy has no place at award shows, if like someone can't go up there and open the show with like jokes about the movies and about the people there, then like where
does it belong? Where does it exist? Like it's harder and harder to get movies made about that are hard comedies and TV shows to be categorized or even like exists as that like there is nowhere to go anymore for comedians. It's really sad to me that this is like a sidebar conversation that we're having in the wake of it.
Look, I think that here's the thing that we have to remember, is that there actually have been great performances. Yes of hosting these shows. It gets lost, but the year of Regina Hall, Wanda Sykes and Amy Schumer, that year of the Slap, they did a great job hosting the show. They literally this last weekend Chelsea Handler say what you want. She was the type of person who should be hosting a show like the Critics' Choice Awards.
You know what did amazing last week at the Governor's Thing.
Right and Anthony Anderson last night, like I didn't love the Turning Bitch Charming perfectly Charming had like a place there, kept the pace, like got the vibes to be at a certain place, like where it felt good, joke away coming in, like it was a specific vibe that he felt uncomfortable, didn't want to be there, and was just badly advised about how to set up his bit, because at least the party that I was at, like people just got up and walked away because it was too uncomfortable.
So in it was it was, it was hard to watch, but then it got worse when he spun out and blames it on all these things. But to say that a comedian can't host this show, like that's just not true. I mean, we see it happen all the time. It's just that that job sometimes feels no win because when people do do an amazing job, it's not the story. Right, When people do a bad job, it's the story. And
I don't mean to like help that narrative. I guess I just feel like it's a cop out to say that you didn't have enough time or that the writers didn't serve you, because I'm sorry, but I don't buy that as a comedian, like and other people that I talked to, like ten days would be more than enough time, if you even wanted to be there with fifty percent of your being, it would be more than enough time.
What else do you have to do on the schedule that's more important than like an internationally watched television show where your job is to just for five to eight minutes or whatever it is, just set a good tone and make jokes. Yeah. Yeah, that's the part of it. I didn't like, is this this idea of this narrative being built that like that wasn't enough time, Like I'm sorry, but give me a break.
Well yeah, and I'm here to say that, like we had less time the year that Andy and Sandra hosted, and that's what.
I wanted to ask.
Yeah, yeah, so.
There you go.
Joekoy though, I mean perfectly respectable, serviceable comedian. That sounds so fucking shady of me to say, but like a solid successful comedian.
Like no, he's great. I mean, like it just that just wasn't his venue.
It just wasn't the venue. And Joe Koi though, if you were, if you want to see more of him, he plays my Little Henchman and the Monkey King on that, and.
I bet he's great in that because I'm sure he wanted to. I'm sure he wants to be in the booth, you know what I mean, Like, I know, I guess my thing is just like there's so many people that would want that job. I know, like that would do an amazing job at that, Like that would treat it like an opportunity because I don't know, like, I don't think that audience wants to hate the host. I just don't like that audience wants to have a good time.
That audience has a sense of humor about itself, like and if they don't like and the joke is good enough, then whatever I mean, like part of yeah, it is what it is part of.
The reason why people go to those award shows. People watch award shows. It look, look, the words thankless job had been thrown around so much since those Golden Globes that I'm like questioning whether or not that's even true. And I'm starting to think maybe it's not because people go to those shows and watch those shows because it's giving Hollywood, you know what I mean, And like right, someone coming out and like doing the hosting thing is
like a huge part of it. There is Like I just remember growing up and watching Billy Crystal would be being like it was the reason I watched. Half the reason I watched was just to see what like Billy Crystal would do. And then when Woopy came down from the fucking ceiling of the Kodak Theater, being like I am the sexy Beast. I was like, this is blowing my mind, Like there is a way not to be all nostalgia pilled about this, but like and not to
be all like make blank great again. But it's like this, there is this way back to that. I'm so sure of it. It really bums me out now that we talk about this that, like I think it's another cop out to be like get rid of hosts entirely. No no, no, no, no, no, no, please let's not. Let's please not. This is actually a secret place for comedians to like try new things, break out.
It's it is like, for lack of the better term, a captive audience for comedians right in a way that like we don't get other places.
I also think, like there is absolutely a world where you make a good joke about Taylor Swift and her fans actually like it, you know what I mean, Like maybe you have to be more intentional about what that joke is. Okay, so what like she's far and away one of the biggest stars in that room, Like she's there, you're gonna have to make a joke about it. I honestly think the reason why that totally innocuous joke hit the way it did is because the vibes had been
so rancid in the lead up to that joke. He had already been flopping. I think there was no coming back from that Barbie joke, right. That cut to Greta in the audience after that Barbie joke, I know she's being a good sport about it now and being like, yeah, it didn't bother me. That was not a good vibe at all. That was really really rough.
It was not for nothing of golden globes. That had moments and like between the Joe thing, it kept the conversation going about the whole award show, the whole Selena whispering, like the mouthwats like the tailor of it all, the Timmy and Kylie of it all, Timmy and like Io winning her award, like Ali and Wong and Bill Hatter kissing. I'm like, there were just it gave us moments and I was like, this is what a word show should be, except for the host bombing. That's the only note I have.
But you know what, even that is kind of a Tell's oldest time, you know what I mean, Like we remember, like we remember famously David Letterman hosted the Oscars and it was one of the worst, Yeah, hosting performances of all time. It didn't hurt him in the long run. I think it was just like a hazard of the trade. Sometimes when you host these things, you're gonna bomb. I guess it's just like, if you're gonna bomb, don't also
show us the seams like that. It's not even fun like in real time right, Like it was just it's like to blame the especially after everything that we've been through with the strikes, to be like the writers flopped and you know what, no one's perfect. And again like I'm not like saying, like Joe Coy's a bad comedian. He was the wrong person for this job. And if you know that's true, and if you know it's not
something you're gonna do, well, don't say yes to it. Yeah, I don't think it helped anyone, like by saying yes to something. And maybe it got in his head too that everyone else had passed and he wasn't the first choice at that point. It's like make your decision then based on that feeling. But there's even a way around the I'm not like you element to it, like who
is this guy? He's not one of us, Like the way that Tina Amy and Ricky Dervais all were in their own way successful, and with Ricky, I'm like, I don't quite know about that. Is that like they felt like they were like ingratiated into that space, right. Mulaney did the best thing at his Oscars thing where he was like, I'm just like one of you. Let me read an email like a casting email, and it was
a great play into a great joke. I was like, that's how you do it, is that you like make a joke about how you aren't one of them, and then that kind of like dusts off that shelf and then you get to like put whatever you want on it, you know what I mean? Would you ever want to host the Golden Globes? Not the Globes?
Maybe no award show? And actually I don't know. It seems like the culture needs to get into a better place first, Like the culture is bad right now, because like award shows are bad because the culture is bad. And I know that's a cop out answer, but it's like that's my answer for so many things.
Anyway, I.
Would only do it with you.
I know, we would crush because you would have fun with it because this is what we talk about all year. Also, like you just have to have fun, just have fun with it, and then they have fun. I don't know, maybe it's just simplistic of me to boil it down to that, but like there's got to be a sense of fun and like, you know, sense of wanting to be there. If you have fun and you want to be there, they'll have fun and they'll want to be there. What Joe.
Not to note this to death, but like people kind of got on Joe's about like him doing a mom impression because that's kind of what he does a lot in his stand up.
M M.
I think you should have leaned into that more because that's clearly his comfort zone. That's him having fun on stage. Like do that, like do like a whole bit about your mom, talking about all the nominees make me a whole fucking two to three minutes exactly exactly.
And even if that bid hadn't like placed him in the greatest host of all time category, he wasn't gonna be that anyway, because he doesn't. He's not really the right person for that job. So do something that's gonna be fun and reliable, and you're good at and just get off the stage. Your job as the host is the ViBe's curator. Yeah, like, leave with good vibes, make everyone have a good time. Don't be yelling about the writers. What did you expect the reaction was gonna be from
Greta Gerwig about Barbie big boobies. Did you think she's gonna be laughing and cackling that everyone in that room was gonna be like hilarious Booby's joke about Barbie, Like this isn't a fucking middle school talent show with all boys in the audience, Like it's the Golden Globes. What did you think? Yeah, so, Bowe Yang, this is your I don't think so, honey. Are you ready to absolutely tear and pop?
Yeah?
Yeah, okay, boone Yang, this is your I don't think so, honey. Your time starts now. I don't think so, honey.
For me, personally, gratitude, I'm done with gratitude. It's time to shift into full ambition. In the words of Ashley Oh, I'm stoked on ambition and verb. I'm gonna get what I deserve. So full of ambition and verb, I'm gonna get what I deserve.
This is my thing.
I made a whole playlist yesterday. I was like, I've been wallowing in gratitude, and I'm not wallowing, but I've been in gratitude for so long that I'm like, it's time to get out of the pool and actually reach for the stars, because it's time. Nasty nationalist amy acceptance speech lit a fire under my ass.
Period.
You need to believe in yourself. In her press room speech, she said, that's why it's called self esteem, not Mama esteem, not them esteem fifteen seconds because nobody have to believe in it but you, and that is part of ambition. There is nothing wrong with being ambitious. It is time for us to scale new heights as a culture, as individuals, but collectively we are all getting out of gratitude for the current circumstances and reaching for something better.
There you go, that's one minute. My sister is galvanized in the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty four. Oh my god, the way this is the year? Really, if we're talking about vibes curation today Wednesday, January seventeenth, the vibes are fucking good.
This is Can we say now that we've introduced the goblet of years twenty twenty four is year of years.
Whoa twenty twenty four is the year of years. That's the title of app. Twenty four is the year of years. And you know what, we have to We have to put good vibes out there, okay, because there are forces of evil bowen all around. There are forces of evil that are going to try to make traders among us. There are traders among us, I'm serious. And there are forces that are going to try to make this year twenty twenty four a bad year in retrospect. And we have to fight that with all of our might.
We have to. And it starts here, Okay, it starts.
Here recording this from the Iowa Caucus.
We are in the cold.
We have to fight.
Yes, we are never to go to wins. Yeah, we've never even We are at Nikki Haley HQ.
Trying to figure out what's next.
We are trying to strategize. Honey girl, can I say before we go, you know what I've started doing this week?
Berries?
Oh my god, I'm so excited for you.
What are your thoughts? My thoughts are let's get treaded. It's gonna be three times a week at Barries for me. And let's try hard. You're jealous? Why are you jealous? That can be you?
It literally can't. When I when I'm at work, there's just no I can do. I can put in once a week, but not three, and I need three.
You couldn't do Monday. I could do Monday.
I could do Tuesday if I I was gonna do Tuesday with just going to the gym. And then I couldn't because we had because we decided to move with you recording from Monday night to we did Tuesday morning because we were like, we have to talk about the Emmys. We wanted to just scoot and I have no regrets. But then the rest of the week is kind of kind of a bust. And then Sunday, I'm Cataitania.
It's the best thing you can do at that point is just rest.
I'm so excited you're doing berries. Can I say, what's worked wonders for me already?
Yes?
And I hate that I'm this person now and it's only gonna last like two weeks tops. I have meal prepped, protein rich foods, protein rich meals. I love it and it's working for me right now for my lifestyle because I am just like I don't.
Care what I'm meaning.
Really, I have the decision fatigue down. Let me just pop this chicken and broccoli sturfry with brown rice that I made on Sunday night in a huge walk. Let me put that in the microwave. And I'm eating protein at least thirty grams per meal, and I'm eating the Quest protein rich cookies. I'm eating these protein rich things because I'm like trying to what tell my body to burn the fat instead of the protein. That's awesome week, and it's.
Already looking healthy choices, healthy life, healthy queen.
Healthy wife, healthy wife, happy life, Tree, crimas Tree, Tree pain.
Well should we tell everyone? So A while ago I said to Bowen, as I want to do, I gave him a new name. I said, hey, Christmas Jones, which is Denis Richards is the name of the James Bond films. And then Bowen goes turns to me and he points to me and he raises his eyebrow and he goes, Christmas Tree. I think you told me, girl, Christmas.
Tree, Christmas Jones, Christmas Tree.
Well, I was just like, wow, you're so right about that one. Yeah, I have Hey Christmas Jones Christmas Tree Tree.
I think he even repeated, I think you said, hey, Christmas Jones, and I repeated, I said, Christmas Jones.
Jones, Christmas Tree Tree, I said, let me sit back. Wow. What a thrilling episode this has been. It's the beginning of the year. It's the beginning of a new era of the year of years, of the year of years, and twenty twenty four is the year of years. And that's how we're setting the tone.
I'm very excited and thanks for joining us on this journey.
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