"This Is A Fun Table!" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

I don't want a duck. Can I just say that is that is not my I would rather rock. I would rather rock, you know what I mean, Hey, let's sucking rock, then let's literally rock. I am a cooked past tense adjective. I have not gotten sleep. That's the thing I need the most in this world. That's the thing that it's a base the human need and a right. I would say, you, guys, it's your right to be able to sleep. You actually have to do what you

must do. Is just so I didn't realize I wasn't sleeping last I don't know if anyone, not any readers out there have this. We're just like for a few days in a row. You've been stressed out about whatever it is, any given thing, and you realize you really haven't slept, and then you have what I would consider really legally a short coma. The other night, I slept for thirt five hours. I'm so jealous. I have not had that kind of sleep in years, years and years.

It's sleep should be sanctified into human rights, into law, and you would be breaking the law if you did not get at least seven hours of sleep every night, you'd be breaking the law. So say goodbye to to the club, say goodbye to to the to the drugs that keep you up all night. Listen, they're illegal for that reason. Let me ask you question. I agree. Let me ask you a question. On any given night, how many hours do you sleep? And let's actually get into this. Yeah,

how many hours? Five four or five six? If I'm lucky, it's not it's been like this for the past I would say, like eighteen months. It's not been good. WHOA, Okay, that explains a lot of my vibe in the last year. I feel like I'm just like I'm just dragging, and I'm like I'm dour and I'm not I don't like myself and this is where this is the energy I'm coming in with. And I'm sorry. I apologize in advance.

And you met Rodgers is my friend as the show biz legend, as decreed by Jennifer Lewis herself way too early to say my career, give me two more years, eight more months. You who do not have to really console me in this. I'm just being honesty zone right now towards you and saying that I'm realizing that that's at the source, that's the source of all of this, and I'm me and I'm realizing that I didn't have that great of a time last night at the Emmy

Awards for various reasons. Um, I'm very glad that my mother got to meet my auntie Sandra. Oh, that's such a special moment. I saw the picture that was so great. I bet Sandra was. Sandra was so lovely, and um, she took a picture. She was like, we need to get a Canadian picture. So as me, Sandra, Mark, Martin Short, and Lauren Michael's got a picture together. And it's really nice. Marty Short, that's amazing hamming it up with him. It's like, you don't mind it, You're just like let him go.

Remember okay, remember that night and fire that day on Fire Island. I almost wanted to tell him this, but I mean, Marty was was just like chopping it up, going going off at dinner after the show, and then um, I turned to Sudis, I about Sudi with me to this dinner. And then I turned to studio and I told some of the other people at the table. I was like, there was one morning on Fire Island this year where we woke up and our friend Patrick was

just like, we need to watch Jimmy Glick videos. Oh yeah, this is a morning Jimmy Glick is the funniest ship I've ever seen in my life. There not nearly enough respect for jim Any Glick and also Martin Short at large. My my personal vote for that category did go to Steve Martin herself, but Martin Short was Martin Short. Marty's

a legend. It is tough to to watch fat Suit humor and be like, but all that aside, If I can separate that, I don't know if I should, But if I can separate that, I go it was a different time. I'm also I don't I also just woke up to some bullshit, Like some people deliberately misinterpreting the Tony Bennett joke that I made as being like as as as being about dementia. No, no, a little freaking it's a it's an age just joke. Sure, I'll cop to that. It's a joke about age one. That doesn't

make it an egist. I I Alzheimer has affected me and my family like it's I I'm not want to take that young woman taking care of older men. That was I can't even I shouldn't have even gone this far into it conversationally with you, my friends, with the readers, by the way, so many, so many lovely lovely publicists, readers, actual publicists, readers. Last night, UM, some lovely people who were working the event after the governor's event. After UM, there was one guy who I passed by with my mom.

He goes, I'm a Katie. I was like, what, It was very very nice to see the Katie's out in full force. You know, I've met some people recently who have really who have really really really come forward and identified themselves as Katie's, And sometimes I have the heart to tell them like, I'm so sorry to have led you down this path. You are not a Katie anymore. You're back to being a reader because they come up with such pride and being a Katie, and I don't

want to take that from them. So you know what I say to everyone out there, self identify and that's actually a real culture. N You know what I say every we're out there so identified. Maybe there are factions period, maybe that there's maybe at home. No, did we start a still whole a war within our own fan com unity like the Katies and the readers, like, oh man, it is giving red state blue states. There aren't enough

civil wars. We'll call them a fandom. I I don't like to say that we have stands, that we have a stand population the way that like pop stars made, but stands stand hoods like don't have civil wars. Enough of the time they stick together, but not until now, until now tear each other apart, can we? I'm I I am understanding you and hearing you that it was a stressful, um not very sleep filled evening. You did look absolutely great you. I loved your suit. I thought

you're a bit with Keenan was amazing. You brought some energy to the proceedings, which they needed. Um, I was watching at home and mom the shots were being called very late. I also didn't realize because I was in I'm in Canada right now shooting and the word fuck slipped through so many times. I was like, are the people that are doing these speeches like deliberately just saying funk?

And are they missing it? And then I remembered, like the standards are different in Canada, but there was so much cursing last night, and it kind of just felt like my thing is like with with the with the I don't give a fuck literally if people curse, but it kind of just felt like, Okay, you know, this is like an event that everyone in America is watching.

You know, there's like decorum with speeches, and if everyone is the person to say fuck, damn, hell shit, ass see, you know all these things like then it kind of loses its novelty. So for everyone to be the potty mouth of the night is kind of like, alright, chill people, we understand you're cool and throw some funs around. I know, I mean, how many years has the sec been around?

Like it's it's it's I feel like it's just not quite as shocking anymore to curse on television also like I don't think so, honey, I'm not gonna curse and then cursing like that joke is hacked to me. I mean, and all all due respect to every winner who played that game. Um can I just say there were so many amazing moments though, like Shirley Ralph, well, what was that like? Because when they cut to her in the crowd, she really wasn't expecting it. What a legend, What a legend.

And I mean, okay, I will say this. I think I had some conversations with people who were in the room, and congratulations to Michael Keaton, legend for winning. For dope sick for that to be the first award of the night. And for someone who is a seasoned of an actress, he for someone who's won awards in his past. He goes up, he gives a pretty I don't know, like I would say, like, um, rehearsed speech right, and there was no like, there was no magic to it. You

needed something light. That's That's why, Like I always like it when the supporting categories go first. I like when someone starts off the night sets the tone in a way that's like, oh my god, oh this is amazing. This is lovely. Wow, thank you so much. UM, so to go from Murray Bartley gave you some of that. I think Michael Keaton kind of comes on well first of all, okay, let's back up. Oprah walking out was a huge shock in the room and like you know, my mom just kind of goes what feet away from

Oprah like crazy, um. And then Michael Keaton wins this award. It was just like we were kind of lurching through various like vibes between Oprah coming on, Oprah, Like someone like Oprah coming on you expect to be like, uh, something that picks up the show, like in the middle of it or towards the end. So that happens. Michael

Keaton wins and gives this speech that's very like lovely. Um. Murray wins anyway, and I just think like the tones, as you said, were weird until Cheryl goes up and sings endangered species and the whole room was silent just taking this in and like her, her saying this is what believing looks like really impacted that whole fucking theater, like it would give me something you could feel, that's

for sure. I mean, like just like hearing her, hearing her name and I voted for Janelle James, but hearing her name get uh said out loud everyone that I know what said, They screamed yes, Like I was watching it with the we're here in Toronto working on something and Joel and I were watching it and we just both were like yes, Like how can you not as a fan of just like it feels like anything not have been touched by Cheryl Ye Ralph in some way, you know what I mean, Like if you don't know

her from like six Sister Act two or like her from dream Girls Mosha, like you know Abbot element Tree now like it just you know, I know she's a peer of Jennifer's, and Jennifer sometimes talks about their relationship, and in fact, Shirley Ralph is um She's in the book, and you know she actually was. She was actually mentioned in an article about Jennifer recently, and they talked so

fondly about each other. But when Shirley Ralph was up there on stage, I sort of felt like a lot of like pride and like utmost respect for her, like a truly a figure of great esteem and respect and dignity and talent and beauty like a great fortunate beauty and a great fortune of beauty. She sits on a

throne of great fortune of beauty. And she so took that moment like a pro, but like a pro in the way that really reminded me of Jennifer and that it was spontaneous and it felt like almost like a word. It felt it was giving. It was she was feeling the spirit and she was allowing something through her and also not for nothing, but she really cleared and took her moment to actually produce a really sick vocal like

Mama was open and sounded good. And then now only she didn't stop the speech there when she could, she continued on with her gratitude and her just like illustrious career, like just she just was mounting that stage and giving it to everybody, and it never de heightened. It was truly from her soul and she gave it to everyone with the raised fist at the end and that Emmy in the air. And I said, that is someone who

deserves this moment. And I think what you're maybe pulling from the Michael Keaton of it all, because I was also a little bit bored, is this is someone we've now seen give many speeches, you know what I mean. And he also he was so stunning in his speech, so beautiful in his speech from the Critics Choice Awards, that it almost feels like when you see someone give a speech a lot and like, you know, not necessarily set up to orate in that moment. Sometimes it is nice.

And with these, with these award shows that come at the end of our particular cycle and the Emmys, like we've all been talking about these shows for so fucking long now, it feels like the degree of spontaneity is lower. The conversations around TV cycles is times such that there is no like rest spit whereas with like Oscar, with with films, it's like, okay, like you got like you can just chill out in the summer, you know, like spring summer, just chill September, more September, but then more

September and to come ball in winter. And that's when that's when you pay attention. That's when you're like, Okay, this is this is what we're gonna talk about. Leading into March, like all the way up to the Oscars, like there's like a pretty timebound aspect to that with TV. It's like you're watching these shows all you're you're talking

about them all year. So by the time you get to the Emmys, you're a little bit like unclenched and you're releasing all of this fatigue maybe and you're like, Okay, here we go, and that's all of these and it all comes rushing back to your like, oh, that's right. Um, there was White Lotus. I mean White Lotus was like a year and a half ago. I was eighteen years ago when it came out. I remember, I remember when the iPhone came out at the same time as White Lotus.

I don't know what I'm saying. I'm watching. I finally watched The Dropout and it's Oh, it's graperful, It's great. She's very deserving. She's very deserving, absolutely very deserving. I think that show does a really good job of like depicting technology that isn't too far in the past, but

isn't that recent either anyway. Um. And the thing to it is with the thing with the Dropout too, in the Elizabeth Holmes of it all is it had to be something that she ostensibly could sort of really make up, but had to be believable enough, and that feels very now you know what I mean it is it sort of speaks to you know, the fire Festival cons of it all, and it's like Michael Show altered, like go Off King, he really directed the ship out of that. I mean it was it was exactly what you're saying.

It was believable enough, but also like what this is continued performance is great. Um but anyway that I think that's that's the weird thing about TV seasons is that you're like, Okay, there's so much consumption. The volume is crazy as we all know. Um well, it's also like like White there was White Lotus that was truly from like last fall, and then it feels like, well, what happened this year? I think anyway is that it just so happened that fucking everything came out in like April

and May, and then it was like so overloaded. So so for all these shows to make a run for it so hard in like April and May towards the end of the eligibility, and then for it to just be like Ted Lasso and White Lotus, you're like okay, like it just goes to show like you don't have to show up right when the voting is happening. You just have to be something they like, and they clearly still loved. I was really surprised to not see a couple more wins go Barri's way because people are so

obsessed with that show. That show. I mean, can I just say Henry Ankler is first of all, delivers an incredible performance and very both funny and dramatic at the same time. It's not a separate he doesn't separate those things, kind of collapses them into like the same performance and at various turns. But I'll just say, like incredibly kind man. Got to meet him and his wife and chat with them.

I was I just was like, I can't believe I'm talking to him and much less like him in the same categories this man, But that's not what that's what That's not what matters. But he and I both went to the bathroom after we lost, and then and then I just like tapped him on the shoulder, was like, I was rooting for you, Henry, and he turns to me goes, I was rooting for you, and then I don't I don't believe that at all, but it was it was just nice to hear that. It was just

nice to receive that from him. And then the bathroom together and we I'll say it, Pete in the same in the same urnal and and Pete in today's at urinals we crossed. It seems beautifully with eye contact you and the fine I would love I would love to cross the iceberg. Enough fun, that's beautiful. The title of that was my Pbo Bryson fantasy. Yeah, there was lots of good things that happened. I'm really excited for Quinta. Oh my god, you know that was that was awesome.

I felt like that shows like really arrived. Now. I feel like Shirley when Shirley one, I thought, oh my god, maybe they're gonna sweep everything. And I thought Quinta would win Actress and also series. But it feels like they still are on their ted last. So did you get to meet Kelly again? Did you get to talk to Kelly Clarkson when she showed up on stage? I screen, I got to walk past her dressing room. It was next to the gifting sleep. But can we talk about

her singing Losing my mind? Oh? I just watched it before we got on. So Kelly Clarkson shows back. It's now in the four pm Eastern Standard time time slot, the Ellen time slot. There's a lot of pressure she has been delivering. She did cover Welcome to New York by telling us yesterday for her first big episode because they're doing episodes from New York. And today we got Losing my Mind from Stephen Sondheim's Follies and it was quote retweeted on a tweet that said, put Kelly Clarkson

on Broadway, which I have to agree with. This was a great, lovely performance. She really gave it to you. There was no doubt in our minds that she would not be a stellar interpreter of sondheime. But but I agree, we must agree with that tweet. We must coast sign. Kelly tells a story. But just just like back to the Emmys of it all for a second. When she came out, it was so funny to me which presenters they decided to give comed a copy in which they did,

and I don't know. I was just watching at home, and I was like sort of be fluttled by some of the presenters being given joke copy and some some not. And I was just like, well, if they're not communic performers probably and they shouldn't be getting the joke copy.

And then Kelly Clarkson came out like she's like a funny person, she's like a host, and basically what they gave her was like, alright, this is best Actress and I just want to say that it's so amazing to even be nominated to congrats to all your ladies on that. It's so cool. It's so cool. Alright. Anyway, so the winner is and I'm like, what, like, give the girl something to say inspiring for for women to be nominated? Yes, select queens, And I was just like, what is going

It wasn't even that. It was just like Vanessa and Molly killed. Vanessa and Molly killed. You have to watch their interview they did backstage after they presented. It's so sweet. They're both just loving on each other, going like I did watch it, we're both we're both from Cleveland. We

just love each other. And then at one point Vanessa goes, we're both from Cleveland, so we have the same the same and then value value and then Vanessa's like vibe, oh yeah, yeah, values, Oh my god, can say, Ok, here's who was at my table okay, it was okay. My table was me, my mother, Kate McKinnon, Lord Michael's um, set An Amy Um, Molly, Vanessa, Vanessa's friend Gwen, and Sandra. Oh and it was crazy. But Molly, Molly looks around, looks at everybody at the table when we sit down.

When the show starts, she goes, this is the most Molly Shandon things. She goes, this is a fun table table. I love this table. I wouldn't want to be at any other table. I wouldn't. And then when, but you know what, but then white when when a white lotus one, Molly was like, Molly was just clapping at our table. She's like, oh, that's so nice. I'm like, mom, And I turned to Molly, Molly, you should go up all the cast. She just no, No, I'm good, I'm good.

I'm so happy for them. I was like, Molly, standon that show. Oh that isn't that great? Yeah? We shot that, We really shot that. We did, and I loved chrise. I could bring my daughter. So I'm not going up. I'm not gonna go up because I was only in most of it. You know, they were in all of it. I was only most of it. It was like, Molly, this this, this is the most Molly Shannon things. She was like, no, No, I was like, Molly, what are

you talking about? I honestly adore her. And also the fact that like he thanked her as one of like two inspirations for it. Why I missed that part, yeah, he said. He was like he said something like, oh, and thank you so much to Jennifer Coolidge, Molly Shannon, they're my friends, like they were what inspired me to write it, like he said, like, I have a feeling that he wrote a lot of those parts with like

specific actors in mind. By the way, they put out the teaser for the new season and it's set in Sicily and it looks really interesting. And speaking of sequels, something I wanted to touch on, you know what got grave reviews out of the Toronto International Film Festival was Knives Out Too, which I saw the cast and like, I saw them all talking about it and that looks like a fun table. That looks like a fun table Molly would want said at that table, I mean, and

you know it has my avatar Kate Hudson. Oh my god, she really like my my impression of her. She really really does what did she say in this and in this? In this, she was like she basically she's like being interviewed about knives out to glass onion and she's got

her like fabulous alphadel. She's like sitting on the corner so that she can use the arm resk, you know, because I feel like she her like essential gesture is like leaning her arm rest and then getting up and giving it and then leaning back, but never I can't

decide whether she can like lean or not. So she's saying like it's her and Janelle sort of like running the show, and like the rest of the actress started just sitting there being like, yeah, I guess they they do talk to most and they're like, kaikos, I swear to God, like we would do murder Mystery. It was so funny to be doing a murder mystery movie and then still want to do a murder mystery party on the weekends. I don't know. It was just really fun.

And then they go to everyone, so who was the best at murder Mystery And they all look at Kate Hudson and she's like, what, Oh my god, I was really into it, you know what, guys, It makes me feel really happy that you said that, and I was like, I'm Kate. You are Kate. Oh my god, You're right. I was the best. That's so funny. It's ask Perland is Kate, No, Matt Rodgers is Kate Hudson. That's a rule of culture, of culture Kate Bert Rogers is Kate Hudson.

Talk about that show. I did see Kate Berland in Kate and listen, this was exemplary, like in terms of not only just a comedy show or you know, an alt you know, comedy experience. It's like a journey into it. It really is. And have you seen it yet? I know I'm dying to. I will pay any price to see it. I know, I know the tickets are they're deep, but like, but it's it's theater. This is the This is when theater is exciting, when when you're like, wow, I really it's a must see thing. You know, it

has that feeling about it. And um, I've just heard them. I've read. I don't want to read all of the reviews because I don't want to. I don't want to, you know, to I don't get going with too much context. Yeah, you know, I don't think it can really be tipped for you in a way. What else say about it is that actually, as I was leaving, I was thinking to myself, like, how would I describe this? And I would just say, you know, if you're a Kate Berlant fan,

it feels like her at her most realized. And I have a feeling that probably a lot of people that listen to this podcast, a lot of the readers probably also listen to Poog and if you are big fans of Kate's, like, this is a really cool show to see. It's just directed to absolute perfection by Bo Burnham. I mean, the aesthetic is very clear. You would actually you would absolutely love it. You would absolutely love it. You really

was of course I would. Oh my god. It's that thing where I remember the conversations that I would first have. This was like I remember like someone came into a

pop roulette rehearsal. I think it was Amanda was a man of Chatman and she was like, you, guys, I just saw this amazing stand up show and it wasn't like Kate show, but it was like Kate doing a set and it was like at that point I had heard of I knew John early, but I knew that he was doing shows with or he was doing stuff with Kate, like hearing Kate be described as one thing and then you and then you watch or perform and it's this really wild, electrifying thing that like I think

people I think it might have been some it was some piece, I forget what it was in. But there they write about how you know, people are still sort of writing checks on the sensibilities that like John and Kate have sort of created. And I but here's what I think about that, because I do think there used to be a narrative at least in the New York comedy community that Kate and John quote unquote get copied.

And I think that, like, while that may have been true because people were very strongly influenced by what they've what they did, and what they were so good at, I think everyone that tried to copy them is sort of no longer doing it because they've failed at doing it as well, or realized that was a narrative and therefore abandoned it and tried to, like you do, find your own fucking thing. Because they did get there were speech patterns in the way that they would speak on stage,

and they do share some. I mean, I think they would even go to that. Sometimes I do see John and Kate and Kate and John, but they are so an entity that it's like, you know, that doesn't feel like a weird rub to me. Other people younger than them obviously would rip the way that they spoke, and now I don't see them doing it that much anymore. I'm not I'm not even I'm not even like attaching

any sort of value judgment on that. I go, of course, you're going to try on like another person's thing, You're gonna channel something else as you are on your own journey to your own point of view like that that that that is totally normal. I just feel like that's they're like, I don't think that many people are like not to narcissistically put myself in that equation, but like not people aren't copying me, you know what I'm saying, or people aren't like trying to use my voice in something.

And so that's like the difference where I got. Well, John and Kate really found something, um and even let's just like distinguish the two. Like Kate found something very very very specific in the way she performs narcissism, like I don't know, it's just really really great. There's there's

an art to it. And like I'm finishing Parker Poses book finally and I'm like, oh, there's these are these are artists, these are this is something that like, um, you you really build out your self, you it affects your output because it comes from a differently um conceived self concept. I'm talking into my ask, but it's like, you know what I mean, It's like, yes, I do think that in discussing Kate's work sometimes I do get

a little like turned around. And I think that what I love about her so much is that if you actually just sit there and watch it, it's actually a lot more simple than than you think. And I also think the fact that you think that Kate is going to present this heavy like odyssey of the mind is part of her magic trick because you go there and so much of the show is about actual superficiality in

that base way, you know what. It's funny like back when I was a little bit more self conscious as a comedian, and I think back when and I didn't know my own voice so much, I would actually get intimidated by people like John Kate and Jacqueline no vacuo, because I figured like they were operating on a level that I could not possibly understand. And I think that trips people up. You go to their show and you just sit there and they're actually it's actually the show

was actually made exactly for me. I left that being like, oh my god, that was so like that was such a ripping open of the like like emotional psychological wounds you only find in therapy because you admit it to yourself about what it means wanting attention, like truly, And I think that like because she's so smartin because bo is such a great eye on it, it seems so vast, and then in the comedy it's actually really simple. And what I'm most blown away by with caper Land is

her sheer control as a performer. She is so in her body and she she plays every note of her own instrument like it's just so like it's it's very lived in in a way, and like I hesitant to say dropped in because it's not that it's actually beyond because because she's it's it's both broad and also really really small in a way that she's aware of and like a lot of the show is about. It's like it's like a you know, exploration on on how she's perceived as a performer and what that does to her

own psyche. And I think that, you know, the it's it's just great. I mean like I really loved it, m M. And this space is great. Yeah, Connelly's great. That's where Circle Jerk was. It was awesome. Um. But wow, hearing you talk about hearing you talk about her control is really cool. I told her after that inspired me, Oh great, Matt. And that's and you will process that in your own way and it will come out perfectly. I am. This is what's eating at me from last night?

What's up? I just like, look at myself in these photos and I go, what the hell am I doing? Like? Why is it? Like it's it's that thing where oh god. This is what makes this business really crazy. Is that if you're good at it, then that means you like, if you're good at that part of it, then that means um that you think about this constantly. I don't know.

I just and then I watched back the bit I did with Keenan, and I look at myself when I go, there's no I have no idea what I'm I have no control over what I'm doing, my delivery, my intention behind this. That's not true. It's no Matt. I'm telling you. Like I I walked out there and I kind of blacked out. I think in and think God Keenan was there next to me, Because it was just me by myself on that stage, I would have had a heart attack.

On life television. I was just I was just like and that's not a natural environment for anyone to be in. And let me just say, like, um, I have no interest in actually hosting a show like that. It's it's crazy to me that anyone want to would want to do that, except for a unicorn like Keenan Thompson, except for some like a late night post like you know all the late night hosts we have. But for someone like me. I watch back that set, that thing, that bit, and I go, what the funk am I doing with

my face? My body? Like? Why am I moving around like this? It's it's not even artistic things, it's stupid ship like that where I go, I hate this, I hate looking at myself that way. I'm just being This is honesty zone. This is the honesty zone that I was kind of wanting to maybe bring in And I'm sorry if it's dragging us down a bit in the um in the vibe, but I just that's that's that's my honesty's own moment. Well that's a therapize. But I

totally understand everything that you're saying. And I think that it's very normal to watch yourself back on something like the Emmy's and not be like, look at me, look I look perfect. Look at how I know my angles? Oh I didn't miss a speck of that light. I hit the light. Look at me on my God Denmark

and not a stumble. Incredible. I will tell you this, Boone, from my perspective, what what what the show really needed at that point was energy, and you brought so much energy and the crowd was so excited to see you. I I understand and I and I this is how I understand this about you because I see the way that you rehearse, and I see the way that you prepare, and I know I understand with you that it's very

important to be on top of the little things. It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter you were one of the presenter highlights. Those jokes were actual jokes. And you delivered them with an energy and with a confidence, whether it was famed or not, that definitely absolutely read to the audience. And if even if I wasn't your best friend sitting with your other best friend, I would have been like, well, thank God, because you can't fake that thing of just

comic timing. You can't fake energy, you can't fake confidence like that. You can't fake experience like the one that you had at the same time. Do I think it's normal that you look at yourself in that environment and think, well,

fuck yeah. And I think that that's probably shared by a lot more people, not that you need to go to a a with these Hollywood stars and presenters that are like, you know, Hi, my name is rhes Wutherspoon and I think my hair is too long right now, and I don't like the way I looked on the Emmy's I want, I do want to go to that meeting. Honestly,

I think that would be a really fun meeting. Hey, guys, my name is India and um, and actually I have no problems by the way, guy, UM, but but I understand, And I just want to say, you're not looking for me to like say no, no, no, that's not true. But no, no, no no, that's not true. And also like I was only proud of you and like only thought

that you looked natural. I do think that there is a certain way you can go about it, as like a comedic presence where it's like everything about what I'm doing here is like funny and ha ha and law, and like I I understand, Like, is that maybe where you're at, like you wish to be more of like a confident comedic presence in the entire thing. Yeah, I don't. I don't want to go on stage and be like what what Like that's that's the vibe is that I feel frenetic, and I don't want that to be part

of my projection anymore. I don't want to project that outwardly. And I can really work on that, Like and look, you weren't projecting that. You weren't projecting that I am here, so you're perceiving that. Sure. I am so lucky that I get to I'm actually very excited about this season MSNL, And I don't. I did not say that last year. I did not say that the year before. I'm very excited going to this season, very excited. Good And I hope and even if I'm disappointed, if I'm disappointed it anyway,

it'll be fine. I think I've built up the you know. Amy Polo writes about this in her book about Wanting the Cookie Remember This, And there's so much great stuff in Um Amy polos Yes Please, And it was really fun to see Hear and Steff present together. I'll say that. But in Amy Polo's Yes Please, she discusses the thing

of UM, the promise of the cookie. When you get nominated at an award show like that, or really with anything, like in any respective career path that you're in, when there's like an opportunity for a promotion or like you know, a bonus or something, or an opportunity to show mine amongst your peers in an extraordinary way or a special way that's going to have some recognition, it's like you don't want to care about it because it's not cool

to care about it. That being said, everyone around you cares about it, and you care more than you think, because you're programmed to of course want recognition from your peers and of course be told that you're doing a great job, like especially like in the arts and the entertainment industry, like I'm reading Betty Gilbin's fantastic book right now, and oh my god, am I excited to have her

on the show. But she also says like, yeah, it's this weird thing of like self deprecation that rubs up against like, you know, actual self hatred sometimes and the need for attention and the wrestling with that need. You know, it's a weird thing. Talks about the cookie and how you know you want it and then you don't get it and you feel stupid for wanting it. It's weird. It's weird. That is exactly it. Of course Betty would get it right. I'm exhausted. I got a decent amount

of sleep last night. I'll say I think I got I think I hit six hours. So I'm not like that's so crazy, but that's decent. That's not good. But I am drained to the bone, and I think it's because of a night like last night that is so emotionally weird ten style. It's so emotionally like all over the place in the way that it's it's pulling you in so many directions that you're like, I don't know how I'm supposed to feel about this, and so and

so let me get to them and think. And I'm sorry that this is a therapy session, um, but it feels like I've had I'm having to like organize my thoughts around this in the immediate aftermath. So thank you for being a friend and listening. Um. Do you ever think about talking to like, do you ever talk to

ad about this stuff all the time? But maybe someone who I think is being so thoughtful about her relationship to all of them, to the pageantry of of of ship like this where she is completely I think she is like really, I don't I don't want to speak on her life, but I think she is like taking a minute to just like chill out, not really engage in too much like outwardly facing stuff. And I yearned

for that. I yearned for that. Um. But anyway, this is what I'll say about us if we were to ever host and I only and look, let me just get this out of the way. I'm am I a little like I'm a part of me is saying like, oh, we shouldn't talk about this. It's so self indulgent for us to talk about the hypothetical thing of us hosting an award show one day, But We literally just did that at Lincoln Center. Even it was it was a fake, bastardized parity version of it, there was an element of

it that felt real, right. And that's because I think the reason why Culture Awards got out of its own way and succeeded was because you and I we're stupid and ironic enough about it, but also took it so seriously. We made it seem like an important, prestigious award and that the ceremony of the night was so important and amazing and not and the award shows now have not done that at all. It's always been about the host coming out, except for Keenan, but it's always been about

the host coming up being like, oh hey, we're all here. Okay, well this is the part of the show where like the wink is not even a wink anymore. It's like a an eyebrow raise and a shrug. It's like, well, this is what it is. Award shows need to go back to the thing where people are like the people who are like m seeing are going, oh my god, it's that time or the night where we you know, like that needs to come back. Yeah, And I think in like, in like a this is what I'm saying

about last night, And I couldn't. I couldn't be a bigger Keenan fan. That whole opening with the dancing, I didn't get it at all, Like it felt like it didn't feature him then, not for nothing, like the transitions between like the bits were very lazy, they were not

like that. Nothing had like no no sketch they did was blacked out adore sam j but like was she was hosting more than Keenan was, and that was looking using the constant cuts to a voice that the audience couldn't see, like she was not cue correctly, like the presenters were at the mic while she was still doing like announcer bits. Like it just was. It was not done well and so that was vert to watch. People all deserved a better, a better produced show in the

control room. Um, the writers did a great job. I from what I know, I feel like the dance routine was like thrown at them at the last minute and it was a thing. Yeah, and I'm sure Keenan wasn't that thrilled about it. I think he was so charming throughout the show. It just felt like that opening took something from him. And then the way we went into the first award was like so bizarre, And that was my big global note on the whole thing was I was just like, why do I feel like we're like

racing to start this show? And then the way the way that the dance montage in the beginning ended felt like it didn't have a finale? Did I feel like that in the room for it to start with friends with such a weird thing, and then I think it went to Brady bench the law and ordered dance really threw me out the window. I was like, of course these people with guns that should have been I don't Yeah, I don't know. I think it was well. First of all, I we we had terrible seats. We had no monitor

in our view. We didn't know what was being we didn't know what was being shown to people at home, um or or like, had no context for what was happening in other sections of the theater. I mean, I appreciate the risk they took where it's like club seating for one half and then like row seating for the other half, but it was very hard. There was no center. There was no center, There was no central place to look at for people in the room and for people

at home. I'm sure it was just oriented and I will say I want to be like, who's this for? Who is this for? It's not the people in the room. It's not for the people at home. It's just so that like a production designer can be like, well I tried out an idea. No that's not that's not worth it. But we have to talk about miss Leah mr Leah Michelle, who we hope is recovering quickly from COVID. Wow, but also like so many wait background bone and I didn't so great. I mean, you know, so we saw her

a second night, like and really great performance. I mean the production we we had we had notes on the stage and we got notes this episode. But I think they're good notes. They're good notes and where and they're with good intention. We're not drags. We're not they're not dragging. Yeah. You you at one point you like I could feel you short of tensing up next to me in your seat, and you just lurge forward and go I cannot stand the staging. I go. I was like, this makes no sense.

I was like, I can't see it. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't show was set so far back it's set so far upstaged some of it, like they just they if you're sitting on the sides, like in stage left or right, like you were cut off from so much of the show, wild wild, and so maybe get a mezzanine seat. Honestly, if you go see it, because then you're guaranteed a good view, you'll see everything. Um, Leah

was wonderful. She was great. Yeah, the energy of that show you could tell had shifted considerably and that the people on stage were excited that they were doing it before they were like, oh my god, our work is being recognized. Like people are leaping out of their seats. There were five standing ovations at the show we were at. Yeah, we had five. We had two in the same song,

which I don't think happened the first night. Yeah, it was Um she was almost to the all the way to the end of Don't Ring on My Braide and there was a massive standing ovation, and then she sang like the last truly seconds of it, and there was another standing ovation, but deserved both deserved. Um gosh, Tovah felt show was so good. She did a fabulous job also, and I mean the whole cast was great. I mean it's but there was a couple of moments where it's true.

It's just like, again, we need to look at this like and this when you have a performer like that can actually sing people stage people like it's the moment, for God's sakes. The way it's staged is the two of them sitting at a table stage right, and that Leah and that Fanny gets up and like brushes his shoulder behind him as she crosses slightly closer to center but not center stage. It makes zero fucking sense to me. And it's people. It's people, it's people. Do you know

what I literally did last night? Literally last night for some reason, I think I was just stoned, like being on YouTube. I watched Barbara's the movie version of People. Watch that. Literally. I understand they didn't want to rip anything that like Barbara was doing or from the movie. And I get that the stage production is different than

the movie, but it's the same fucking song. And whether you want to admit it or not, people are coming in with an expectation when using people, and so they could have taken so many little cues from the movie version of it. Bo And I'm telling you and readers,

stop this right now. Watched the movie version of People with Barbara a fucking legend, and the way it's stage is small and intimate because it takes place on the street, but it still feels romance, like an emotional and big because she's realizing for the very first time, she's actually going to acknowledge the fact that she wants a connection with someone else because she might maybe be good enough for them. Like it is such a big moment, and they just like they let it just happen in the show,

even with Leah. And they did change some other things, like the music that makes me dance, Like they used to cut off at the end, which drove me nuts because I guess the actress is playing the part really couldn't do the final note justice or maybe it was just a choice. Yeah, just like it's it's it's wild and like and it's a very hard song and very like you know, but but Leah like nailed it, and they changed that for her. They changed the arrangement of

that and that staging. They also changed, you know, like several other things from the first time I had seen it, but not enough to make it be like, yes, this is a knockout production that lives up to her talent in the part, because some of the staging was giving high school sorry tough tough with a Tony winning like legendary director. I will say that I feel like who Are You Now? At least in the I listen to the Oh, I listened to the to the to the

Barbara Broadway version of who Are You Now? And honestly, can I say they turn it into a duet between Fanny and Nick, and watching Leah and Ramen do that together was really really special. I really loved that. That was a good choice. I don't have much context for funny girl. Um, this is my first iteration of seeing it, which I which is kind of crazy. So I'm not I'm not trying to like say too many make too many statements about it, but um, that was really really great.

And there's a line in the in the book which is Fanny sort of saying to Nick, actually it's right before people, which kind of drove me nuts for her because like, Okay, so there's this moment where it's like Fannie and Nick and you know, he's like meeting her family and all her friends right where she lives, and you know they're having like a little flirty moment before she's launches into fucking people, and she says something like I haven't read many books, and the whole audience like

including this one loser, like like ten Rose behind us was literally doing that thing where it's like very audibly like quote unquote trying not to laugh, and it's like and I was just like, oh my god, this is going to be contagious now, like freaking COVID or something, because everyone just started laughing so much. And again, like not to revisit my point last week, because I get that people disagree with me, but I just don't think this bit that she can't read is funny. Like I

just don't think it's funny. It just doesn't make me laugh, even if it were done in and presented a more clever way, And it certainly doesn't make me laugh to like laugh at her expense when she said she doesn't like the Joe up there, not that she needs protecting anymore, she's fine, but like, I don't know, like at what point are we just gonna like retired this bit just because I don't think it's a good bit. I think I think it's reached. It's sort of you would hope.

I think it's sort of reach critical mass and now we're like out of it, hopefully. I think what happened was since the first night. Al So, all this ship from the first night comes out in tweets and stuff where that you know, these fucking idiots are recording the show, whether it's audio or video, but someone recorded that part. Well. I saw the tweet the day we were going to go see the show, like the morning after, and people were like, there were gasps and chuckles at the line

I don't read many books. And then of course Twitter loves that ship, and then um, the audio gets released where people are like little little little tiny lass audible, but then they move on. It was a full laugh line in our show, and our show was a full laugh line, I think because people might have picked up

on that. I don't know how online our audience was, but um, I think maybe there was that expect like people were sort of like white knuckling until that line maybe, and then just to see how she would react from what I could see, and maybe it's because our view of the stage was shipped. Because of the stage, we

can see her face. I think she kind of gave a little wink not a literal wink, but she like smirked and smiled and laughed through it, and so I think she was she was showing the audience that she was okay with the joke, that she was going to laugh at her own expense and have a sense of humor about the whole thing. And then Ramen playing Nick also kind of broken laughed and the two of them were laughing together. So it gave permission for the entire

audience to uproariously build to a laugh. And I think that's what happened, And what I was seeing was she says it some like knuckleheads in the audience started laughing. It became a thing, and then rum in like, I mean,

however you pronounce it. Um. He sort of leaned into it because he didn't know how to ignore it, and he was like, well, this is now a uh, it's now a laugh line, Like I have to wait because like we need to and then um, she said something like you want me to read your line for you?

She said something like that stepped out of the character, and um, I think it was weird, like he was trying to walk a line like being there for her and acknowledging that she might feel a certain way about people in the audience doing that, but also trying to preserve the moment as a performer and honor the response it was getting, and also like potentially like wrestling with the fact that she's gonna want to move past this moment.

And she did. That's why she said something I see that makes sense, and she did, and she sings people and it's you know, it's blocking aside, it's great, and then um, the rest of the show, she's having fun. And then she was great. She was great. She was it was really special. And I went in pretty ambivalent about Leah. I of course she's a terrible person, or she was in the recent past. But I think she you know, I think it's meaningful that she's back on

Broadway and that she seems very at curtain call. It seems like this whole cast really really likes her and that she likes and she likes them back. And I feel like working in a show like Glee that is just toxic all around for whatever reason, for whatever reason, like you don't know if it comes from her or she's receiving it and she's kind of deflecting it outward. I'm not making excuses for her behavior, but I'm saying that maybe she's more in her natural environment in theater,

in her dream role. Yeah, I don't think she should try to go back to television or movies. I think she should stay in theater. I think it's like clearly where she stands out the most and where she is the most effective, because you can watch her on TV and sing that these Glee songs and it can't maybe it doesn't really register, like you understand she's a great singer, but it doesn't actually register that she's like a very special stage presence, whereas it's clear as day with this.

I also think that you know, and I understand that, like the allegations about what she did and like on the set of Glee are really tough, and you know she's there must be something to the fact that, like they're all in this toxic atmosphere working on this show.

There's so many people with such real dark problems and they're pretending to be in high school, so that has to like, and they're also like in I just had a four and a half hour dance rehearsal and I turned to Zane and I was like, can you imagine being on Glee and he was like, oh my god, I know, and like like basically embodying a high school character her and being in such close proximity all the

time and working like that. I'm not making any excuses for anyone's behavior, but I can see how people acted like fucking shitty like and I think it's like because people have so much fun with the persona of like how annoying a character like Rachel Barry is and that is like Liam Michelle and you know, the someone spilled sauce of it all, like it's funny to make jokes

at her expense. Still, it's it's iconic, I mean, like and the fact that that was a real, true, genuine story from first person account holder, you know, Michelle Collins just something I will never forget. But and it's worth a real listen to someone spilled sauce the episode with Michelle Collins to hear this Liam Michelle story. But that being said, like you know, she is where she belongs on that stage, playing that part, and the show really worked because of her, and a show like that needs

someone like that. And also we do need to get excited about theater again because let me tell you so much of it is so bad. Yeah, this is what I wanted to say. I didn't really want to didn't care to talk about the illiteracy stuff. But um, I turned to you at one point, I think it was during intermission. I go, you know, she's doing she's giving

you just enough barber impression. She's not she's not doing the she she wasn't doing the i'll say, the beanny thing of turning the other direction and trying not to touch the barber thing at all, which I think is like all she was able to do. Um. But you said to me, well, it's the thing. I was listening to an episode of Everything Iconic with Danny Pellegrino where he was interviewing Johnny Benson interview everyone. You should go

listen to that. I gotta listen to it. But, um, you you told me that she says that whenever she sings, whenever she sings part of your role live or on a re recording or something, she always does the same exact things things, the same exact timing, the takes the same breath, that the same places whatever. Um. Because people are so attached to that song, if you change to just a little, they get a little perturbed. They sort

of don't like it. Maybe, well, and it's interesting that it's interesting that you say that, like days before the Little Mermaid teaser comes out, but yeah, go ahead, Well you know what's funny about that, like and it's a great interview. So I don't want to repeat verbatim what was said, because you should check out his podcast to listen to it. But basically, the sense I get is that when she was working on that song with Howard Ashman, he said something to the effect of, like, we're gonna

really work this and it's gonna sound like Ariel. It's not gonna sound like Jody, and you might not like

the way it sounds at the end. And then you know, this being back in the day when the first time you can see yourself your performance in the movie, like you didn't get cuts of it beforehand, Like she went to the premier, sat down and she saw Ariel sing the songs, and then she was like, oh my god, And you know, you might not like those performances as a singer, because it's a lot of speak singing and some of it is a little pitchy or flat, just based on human emotion, which is why I think some

of these musicals um can feel a little canned because literally the sound is like it's so perfected in the studios that you lose the humanity of the human voice of the character. And so in how that connects to Funny Girl and you talking about this Barbara quote unquote impression or the effect that is the strange ending, right, This woman who was next to me when when we sat down in our seats, so someone who's next to me, and it wasn't a thing of like she recognized us

or whatever. This older woman like probably sixty five years old, not older, you know, older than us. She turns to me and she just goes, I am so excited. I was like, Oh, my gosh, are you a fan of the movie? She goes, this has been my favorite movie since I was a little girl. And I was like, oh, you must be so excited. She goes, I have waited years for them to bring this to Broadway. And throughout the I checked them with her again and intermission I said that you have in the time of your life.

She was like, I'm so happy, and you know, she was so happy the whole time. And I was like, there is something too. I understand, no one can copy Barbara and no one can necessarily be that, and that's ultimately why you might want to try to go to

a different way. But when people buy a ticket to a show like this or want to experience something like The Little Mermaid, they want the they want what they remember, you know what I mean, Like they want they wanted to feel reverent and like it's like calling back to something, because that is what taps into the emotion. That is what gets people to come up to you know, Jody Benson after she sings a performance and say thank you so much. You'll never know what this means to me.

It reminds me of my mother my father a time. You know, this is a really important like you know, my mother, I say on this podcast all the time, raised me on this like and when I took my mom and my aunt to see the show for Mother's Day, like and like I said, I saw an understudy who was lovely and great and good at the part, but but was not a stage superstar. So when you see someone do that and deliver that material, it's meaning ful

for people, you know what I mean. This is a piece that means something to people, which is why I think there's so much controversy outside of just the fact that it's like fun, diva, Broadway drama, whatever, it's it's it's newsworthy because this piece means something to people. It created an American icon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it has that same destructive power to Yes, it's like that's a crazy thing. That's the thing that like we didn't realize

until it happened. Is that like, oh ship, Yeah, it's like exactly what you're saying is that the people's people's attachment to this is so powerful. Yes, that it will it will just truly like breed conflict and like you know, drama and all this stuff. But um, yeah, it's God. I really do need to listen to the Jodie Benson interview because it's so you told me about this thing that like she wasn't sure about the notes that that

Howard was giving her. And but meanwhile, that's so funny because as an audience member and as like someone who grew up on that movie, you go, I was just listening to the song. I mean, I've been listening to Part of Your World on repeat since that trip, since that teaser dropped. But um, just you know, what's so iconic, ready to know what the people know, like just like how just kind of drops down into the humanity, the humanity of that. And Um, I told you this right

speaking of Barbara. Um I was watching some like a little featurette for the Aladdin DVD when this came out, like in two thousand and three, I want to say, but they did a featurette on it was Howard Ashman's

last movie. Um, and they talk about Howard's like these amazing Howard moments and that he first started to get really sick when Beauty and the Beast was getting recorded, right, um, and he Jo'hara's in the booth singing, um something there that wasn't there before whatever the yeah whatever whatever it's called. Um and she sings new end up it a lot arming or new and a bit alarming or something. That's

what it is. She sings that, And then they get Howard on the phone and Howard is can barely speak, is so sick and he can only give like a couple of words. You can only communicate in a couple of words at a time. But um Ali says over the phone is streisand streisand and they're like what does he mean? What does he mean? And then pages like I think I know what he means, and then she goes new and deepid alarming, like scoops up like that

and the way that Barbara would. And then Howard's like that's what, that's it, that's it, and I'm like, I've never forgotten that story, and like he can just tap into something. Not only not only can he write lyrics like what he fucking writes, what he what he wrote in his life, but he can give such like notes like that that are that are so specific and so impactful, like think about like they make the song, they make the song. He was a true storyteller, I mean, and

that is such a great loss. And you really do feel the difference. I mean, like, you know, twenty three just happened, and god it was so rough, but uh, they brought Ariana Debos out to play She's going to play a new like a Disney Princess in a new two D movie, Wish, and she sang the song and the song is by Julia Michaels and the song is a good song, but it's not a Disney magic song, you know. And even in um Hallie Bailey's version of it, like and when she when she did the big she

has that little riff. I actually I had to, like I had to check myself because I was like, oh, I don't like that on instinct, but then I was like, yes, but in context, we haven't heard it, you know what

I mean. Maybe she is going to give vocal that travels different places and that will be interesting, but it's going to be up to us to all, like, as big fans of this incredible landmark song, the greatest Disney song on history, to check ourselves and be like give it a chance, which is why it's even like Braver and Boulder to play this part, like, because there is

one arial that we remember, you know what I mean. Like, so it's gonna be crazy, but we're all gonna have to like really take a deep breath before part of your world comes on and pouring unfortunate souls and all those numbers. You know totally, but you're so right, We've only known one arial. Yeah, yeah, and it's but I I will say, and it's really special. Just I feel like the response to that teaser is overwhelmingly positive. It's positive. Yeah, I was, I was, I truly I took my breath away.

I had a similar response where I had to go, did I like that be I think I did, but I immediately thought back to that Jody Benson thing where I was like, this is why I know why I might not like it. But I think, like you said, I need to listen to it in context because I feel like the movie is doing from from from what you're seeing in this teaser. I feel like it will have a really nice balance between honoring the visuals, the

original visuals. I feel like I look at some of these shots, I'm like, oh, it looks like it looks like from the movie, from the original movie. It's an attachment that we have, you know what I mean. It's like it's just hard, so strong, it's so strong. It's like it's like you live your whole life with one mom and then you're like, hey, we rebooted your mom. Yeah, this is your mom. No, this is your mom. You just just doesn't look or sound like her, but it's her.

Hug her, hug her, now love her. Oh my god, no way. And it's just very hard. But I will say this, she looks and sounds fucking fab perfect and she will be stunning and the way she's looking up at that at that crest of the ocean, Honey, the way that she looks up untail. She wants to be part of the world. I said, I really hope she does. And it snow spoilers, but I think it will end really happy for Ariel. Oh my god, really what spoilers.

I'm just saying, like, based on source material and some things I've been hearing, I think that the Little might end very happy for Ariel. W I hope so wink wink what I hope so too, Queena. I hope so too Queena. When she I mean, when Halley comes in with out like she she gives it some volume and it's really good. I think it's chotic. I actually love it. I mean, come on, come on, I don't think so, honey,

because I have to go to a fitting. Okay, but very quickly I should say, Okay, the Jetta bush Hagar stuff with the Queen's death timeline is crazy. Didn't talk about the queen. You want to know why. It's because the Leam Michelle, a literacy meme has taken up more

media space on period. My god, that's not true period, But okay, so Jennial Shaker was at was at some castle with Charles King Charles now Charles and Camilla the night before the Queen passed away and they had a great time whatever, But the timelines don't match up with when she showed up to their castle to do an interview the next day, and when Charles and Camilla were whisked away on a helicopter to go to bell Moral.

And there's some interesting things going on there with the release of the information of when the queen passed away. And so it's just so funny to me that are our friend Jana Bushaker j B H two asked if she could come to Fire Island with us. Um is a part of this now, as a part of this global historic death. Anything you want to say about the queen slay what about you? It's so shocking, like you really realize, like how what a different world they live

in that they are. There are people that are in their nineties who for their entire life, every single day of their life, they were told to worship this person and now this person has gone, so of course they're in morning. I mean, like she lived so long as

like a deity in that country. But wow, I couldn't care less, you know what I mean, not just like not that, not that I couldn't care less that a human person is dead, but it's just wild to buy into something just because of a bloodline, you know what I mean. And these people are so disgusting, like Prince Andrew still hanging out like these people are gross now the king is King Charles Andrew. Prince Andrew has the Corgis.

Andrew and Fergie have the corgies. This is so awful to me, those dogs with that fucking monster, these people and honestly, like down to the bone like all of them, they're just like they're so entitled and wretched and it is built on colonialism. And I understand that the Queen became a figurehead and tried to move the country through

with dignity and grace, etcetera. And I get that a lot of people care and have a different cultural view on this than me, but like, wow, I'm sorry, but you have to end up like you have to call it like you see at a certain point, and they're just like the Prince Andrew of it all for me, like it's it's it's sure, if it wasn't, if it wasn't the toxic, disgusting way this country establishes itself all around the world and colonizes. Then it's that not to

be like too good for it all. But like also, honey, like it is what it is. We're we're we're stepping on my I don't think so, honey, But okay, do it will hold on, hold on, no, no no, no, okay, hold on. But I will say that I think the reason what you're saying about these nine year olds who have worshiped this person and this maybe this family their whole lives, that is important because that is it is a loss of meaning for so many people in that country and around the world. Let's say, and so they

and therefore, and I don't think it's attachment. His majesty, King, his Highness, King Charles is the person to like make sure this gets upheld. He that he will not uphold the meaning of this because he's a flower peop don't people don't like him. And also he's just like it's just it's just it's it's just not gonna work. People are not going to hang the same amount of meaning, absolutely not onto that man. No, he has been maligned

by so many people for so long. I saw this video like they were there was like I think it was like BBC or whatever, like in the streets, just asking people how they felt about the passing of the queen, and this one girl was like, you know, I think it's sad when anyone gets to that point, Um, she's passed. But also like I'm not a fan of the queen or the monarchy, and like why because if they have

to ask why at this point, I don't know. The colonization, the Prince Andrew stuff is a little weird, like she stops sort of saying any Diana stuff. But like also that like any depiction of them, like you're not gonna love Charles after it because he's shitty, and like, yeah, like she was very important to them because I think in many ways, like she was keeping a pretty divided country, like arguably more so than our country, like kind of together at least in like a cultural fabric that hadn't

been ripped apart yet. But Charles is extremely polarizing. I mean, like perhaps even more polarizing effect on the country is just like you know, ascended to the throne. So yeah, do you want to hear I don't think so, honey, Chris it's on theme. You go first, Sure, I'll go first. Okay, Well, I guess what everyone this is iconic Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey, And as time says, now, I don't think so honey, g Q putting it a story that calls King Charles the third up men where icon

and he's been one for ages. Let's please not do this. Okay. The man grew up with argyle bolts of clothing around him. He didn't have to like find it for himself. Someone gave those things to him. He was given a roll X, he was given a Longene's watch, he was given the stuff. Okay. He did not have to curate this for himself. And he needs all the help he can get to distract from that crazy face he has. It's crazy. Please, let's not do this. Let's not call him a style icon.

He doesn't need to be called that. He doesn't want to be called that. He does any of this. Let's just like be a little bit more sparing with us. I mean that this is this is where the word icon is sort of hit its peak and the nator like we're we're going downhill from here. No more use the word icon that applies to us. I'm sorry that. Okay, that's one minute. I'm so sorry. I take it back. You're not an icon, I take it back, thank you. And you're not an icon either. You're an icon consort.

I'm the camilla to the icon. You're the camilla to icon status. You're we We are both icon consorts. Actually it's really culture number twelve. We are both consorts. I'm comfortable with that. I'm very comfortable with that. Oh God, okay, I have one I must do. Here we go. This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so honyes time starts now. I don't think so honey. No Bravo in Canada. Okay, what am I supposed to do with any second of my life? That's not working. I'm here in Toronto, Ontario, Canada,

and you can't get Bravo here. I guess they just don't know who Erica Jane even is. So how do they know how to commisserate in the streets about how evil she has become? I don't think so honey that I've watched The Real Housewives Ever Atlanta reunion. I can't weigh in on the seating chart. I can't tell you if Shari. Sorry, say not got my Shari Rays confused. I can't tell you or you know Marlowe deserved to

be next to next to Andy at three Union. I don't know how they're presenting the drama of the season. I have not seen anything. I don't know what I'm gonna do over the next two weeks. We got big Asthment episodes and I gotta watch him the next day. Usually I do that on Peacock. But I gotta tell you something. I don't think you want to know Peacock. In Canada, you can't even get the cock. I'm gonna have to search high, low, and far to try to download on iTunes, like it's the year nineteen o two.

Downloading on iTunes, I don't think so. Honey, no Bravo, that's no Bravo and that's one minute, honey, v P and get the VPN on the computer. Everything here is on something called Crave. And it was so funny because during the Emmys it was like congratulations to Crave on their staggering amount of nominations more than any other network. I'm like, yeah, mama, there's no other Everything. It's like Crave is like water. It's like there's no alternative to it.

It's like you gotta drink water. You can do drink milk. Milk doesn't have any nominations this year. Water has all the nominations every year. It's so sad from milk. It's not the nineties anymore. Boo damn. They had their momentum getta VPN and then to watch it on. I'll teach you how to do it. Teach me how to do it, Teach me how to doug you, teach me, teach me how to tug you, and teach me how to tug you. Teach me teach me how to juggy um you want to end? Every episode of the songs has been an

iconic culture Sorry, but really good culture. Catch up, really good culture catch up. Yes, let's end. It must have been cold in my shop, sad. It's never you context to let me sh that's your way. You always walked, step be hid. Did you ever know let? Oh? No, no, never be? Did you ever know? You're every good you need me? I could fly you go because you are the one. The wind may my. That one goes out to all of the EMS producers. Bye bye,