"Thick Joy!" (w/ Ilana Glazer)

your least favorite. Do you want to talk about? There's so much to talk about. I just feel as if we continue to record these episodes and ignore the fact that we're in the Lover era, we just completely ignore that we're in the era. And they the readers need our takes. They need our takes on Lover. So can you just quickly give your review you as if you are Pitchfork. We're recording this on August. We're one week into Lover. Into Lover. It's it's so it's so addle

of the road. Intentionally, it's so like she didn't she didn't want to make an actual sonic choice. Wow, you believe this was intentional for her to be Medio Curve. It's her first it's her first album for her new for her new label, Unrested. She doesn't like to fill that way either. Sure, no, but I'm saying, like, like it's strategic where it's like it's it's it's it's brilliant, like it's she she did what she had to do.

She did what she had to do, and she's about to show the other girls what they should have did. She she it's the album with her most songs. It's like she is like, really, why not, Like here's something for everybody. Here's like me like wearing all my hands I've worn throughout my career. Here's here's a high school song, Here's here's a I'm about to get railed songs. She's

certainly I'm about love it. I love it too. I know I'm saying it's a great album, but it's like intentionally it was middle of the road, And I think I think she didn't want to like take two big, Like the swings aren't too big, except for the ones that are so huge that they're crazy. Like me, Like you're like, why so this was a great review on your part of the strategy behind her album and I will now talk about the music they're in. Um, I

think that half the album is good. I think the first half of it is like, oh yes, And I think there are some true bops on this such as say with Me. I think he knows and we love that song, and we love the bridge. The bridge is great, and I'm a bridge queen and I do love a good bridge, and that song has a good bridge. Also love Lover, I think that's a classic. Um, I Forgot that You existed is like a little bit bitch and

the way that I do appreciate. And then I believe that the album hits its midpoint and then just completely runs out of gas towards where the end. I'm like, where towards the end, I'm like, it's nice to have a friend. Truly, the Big Little Eyes theme song slaps harder than that. So if I heard the Big Little Eyes theme song in the club, like I'll be moving around it's nice to have a friend, I'm up taking a break. Yeah, I but I appreciate this album and

it's sort of like romantic sounds. I like. I like that she's back in her comfortable press self, like her media, her media blitz, self she's back to being her media trans sell I love and she's and she what a natural she's, she's she can do it. Good for her, good for her anyway. And we should also talk about one more topical thing, which is we are in the Dunce to song. We're in the Dunce Tossan. This is the Dunce Disans. That is the renaissance of Kirsten Dunn.

We you and I both watched separately. Do we want to take credit for it? No? No, no no no no no no no no no no like this, we're not kid furing. Crystal West's like out here being like get Missy Elliott on the v M as the Vanguard Award, like like and Missy Elliott thanks them. I saw that she did that. That was very cool. For the reason that's so cool. I I don't think we're that for Kirsten.

I do um and Kirston doesn't know we exist, so she I actually you know what she wants if you twict she's connected because no, no, there her husband's Jesse Plemmons. We love that there's there's like three degrees of separation. But like we're not like, we're not going to be like Kirston's a friend. Here's what I'm and say that I don't We're not going to say she's a friend of ours, and I don't think she'll ever speak to me.

But I do think that if she heard the energy with which we speak of her, and this question of of it, this was recorded months before you know her her begin so we should say that I'm becoming a god in Central Florida. Is wacko wacko show, but like truly so so great, and like she turns, she turns great performances. And but there's some piece of vulture about

how this is authentically Floridian and which I love. She fucking spoiler alert skins a bunch of gators in the second episode, like you see her like here, no stunt, dumb like, no double like it's her with a fucking knife, like cutting into what I assumed to be a real gator, because there's no the props department is going to make a fake gator with meat. She pulls. She peels back to the scales and takes the meat out and refrigerate. I just want to say one thing. You've been really

rude to props departments worldwide. I think that props department, and I'm actually I'm working very closely with the props department right now with over. His name is Jimmy, and his and his first props assistant is Alec, and they're both wonderful. Well, I'm happy that you called him out so that I can buy by name and Jimmy and Alec apologize for what has been an assault on their industry here today, because to act like that couldn't have

been a propagator is really ridiculous and sad tragic. They're gonna build a prop gator out of like the budget resident and meat. No, I think it could be achieved with plaster and paint and hard working people and talented people that go to school for that and they study it by trade how to do things like that, And so you're disgusting. Were really dumb and one of the stupidest personally. Well that's fine because because I don't really

actually trust your barometer of what's dumb anymore. You said this, it's a wonderful show. You were gonna say you I was you were gonna I'm supposed to remind you to remind me about something. Um, Yes, I want you to tell the readers really quickly. And this is gonna be a really good intro into having our guests because she is a fashion icon and a style icon. Tell us about your fall fashion that yeah, what you think is

going to take off? We cooked dinner last night and Bowen told me about his new um sort of sort of like my edit, my edit for fall. Here we go, Here we go, bitch all black, all black, basics, black shirt, black pants, block shorts, even good so far, um, here we go. And then this is where it starts to get starts to get a little starts to get a little on becoming a guy in Central Florida. Thick thick, thick black sneaks, maybe even a nice like, maybe even like.

And she makes these fun like double sold and can afford design a gap in between. I haven't bought it yet. Well I don't think it much money. And then stop stop this as cool as goal said, stop stigmatizing wealth. Okay, So I so that Tom Store and Matt Rodgers the host of last here with Tom herself, and then here's here's here's the fun part. Here's the edit. I'm so happy climbing gear, so a climbing harness, a lower climbing harness.

Our guest is not snapping even like like fucking nylon cords, buckles, carabineers, you are fed up? Yes, no, our guest loves it. And our guess is literally, I'm walking down the damn I'm stopping the damn streets of this city in my climbing gear. Isn't that so funny? I think if anyone could do what you could, why not? And because listen, if top harnesses have taken off in such a way, who could have seen that coming? They're still room for the top harnesses to be pushed a little bit, because

you could do like climbing. Climbing harnesses are so fun and stupid. They're like it's not like piping, but it's just like a thick cord with carabaners. Oh my god, I actually I listen, if anyone could do it, it's going to be you. I'm gonna try, and I'm gonna be, you know, ridiculed in um in the square. But we'll see who hasn't been ridiculed in the square. He's been celebrated in the square and worldwide, worldwide. It's actually our guest.

It's our guest. Oh my god, I mean, this actually is actually I'm going to call it a historic episode of lost culture. Historic. She God has given so much, I made so much, has given so much, will continue to She's so fucking cool, one of the coolest. And can I actually can I ask you a question? Yeah? Do you remember the cultural movement that was brought city? Oh my god, bitch, I I truly I could cry.

I could, And you know what, I actually wept during the Finale'll be I'll be brave and say it because that reminded me of us and they and they and I did. I cried in front of all my colleagues. Where did you watch this with the other? Two room watched it together and then I cried and you cried? I mean, and no one understood, like like like the like the modern class seek, the modern two hander sitcom

do life, Oh my god. But truly like watching them like separate from each other and they were just trying episode, I was like, this is so thick, Like I felt it in my loins and my p not come on, come on, come on, come on. So here's she's here, and my pepe feel good, feel be good When I think about the fact that she's here and Also, there's a fucking Amazon special on its damn way and the title is Bleak but True Bleak, What True Planet is burning?

Holy fun, Holy fuck. So watch out for that in January. But we're going to talk to her. We're so excited. Please welcome into your ears. God a lot of glazer. Oh God, I'm like, my my soul is coming. Multiple came thing. Imagine. That's always the thing too lately Now with sex, it's like, after you come, how can you expect people just they'll be into it? Sometimes the chemistry is just right, the chemistry is right, and you want to keep going. Yeah, truly, how are which I already

asked you once you know? And I was like, you know what that's wait? Can I can I respond to a couple of y okay, I am such a I'm here and I'm like, you know how you like when you do stand up, you're like, you get off the stage, You're like, no, that was pretty good. And then you watch and you're like, who doesn't know what comedy is? And you just watch and you hate or whatever. I was like, I literally don't know culture. Culture. You guys are um. You guys are powerful um warlocks of culture

identifier sorceresses. But well, I guess I'm feeling this is my particular like mask energy y'all are serving is my my vibe of mask energy. And so I'm like, this is like you are the warlike to my witch. But I absolutely the reason to me that masculine is complete is because you are sorceresses. Absolutely, and we're able to say, and you know, that's really drag because I could walk out of the house being a sorceress one day, I could come back later that day being a full warlocks, right,

and that's my that's my I'm entitled to that. I'm so sorry human. Right, Hello, I can walk around identifying as a damn druid the night, but then I walked into it, into the forest, and I say, I'm a dry ad. Do we know the differences druid and dry We know for the for the readers, it's, um, a druid is like, let's let's let's it's it's it's binary. It's okay. So I'm like, I don't know culture. I'm not, I don't know culture whatever. Um, but you guys are

amazing at it. Literally is lover Miley, it is name and I know and I was like, I think, but I do do. It's so crazy to me. That's how you know we're in a hashtag media bubble is that no one else gives a shit about what we care about. Constantly, Thank you, Tracy, Producer hsp wait HSPT HSPT Senior Producer. Tracy has brought us some coffees and can you say that they only had all no, no no, are you a Plaine croissant from the deli? But Tracy, so that's no, no, no,

no no no. I was so chill about it. You guys can vouch for this. I was like, thank you, thank you, HSPT. No, I would love it. Um. I was just like, I would love a pastry from the coffee shop. If they it's only chocolate stuff, I don't want it. She went to the damn bow day. She went to the damn Bodag love chrissant in the bag and I actually think you should eat it because sound effects wise, it's hilarious. Oh my gosh, the prop fit. And then also, okay, so I didn't know it was

Taylor Swift. I guess I don't really know Taylor Swift stuff. That's fine, that's fine, are you guys, obsessed. Well, we have such complicated relationships with her. We have a complicated relationship that includes love. Yes, that includes us literally boycotting her music because she didn't end also seeing her twice live, so we're literally her music how then just not listening. Not right, okay, not truly. There was like a year and a half where I just was like, I can't,

I can't. Look. We made a conscious decision when she was sorry but violence during the election week, I was like, oh, you're she was being used as a neo Nazi symbol, like a white supremacist symbol, and yeah, I mean this is like what you're referring to. But I'm like you you look like it. Yeah, you look like a Nazis wife.

So you have to say that you're not right. So the thing is and it's weird now because like the one thing that's like right now, the focus has been very on her new image and whatnot, but like in her interviews, which is which is like um, queer ally okay,

but also positive. So it's a complicated position we find ourselves in as queers and queer allies because it's like anytime anyone steps forward and it is like I am your ally, and I met her advocating for you, and she she has the petition and everything, and she's very kind of like active and advancing our rights. But here's the rub I have with it all because she said she acts like she didn't realize that she wasn't doing enough.

But it's like, how could you not realize? But she's like the model white woman in that way, like even if she did realize, like her narrative can support that, you know what I mean, because she is like the woman. Okay, I have a couple of questions, So what is it that you like her songs? And I literally don't know. Okay, for me at least anything for you too, we can explain. I think you and I are able to like really peel back like the writer Earle like she is. She's

a songwriter. She's a very very good undeniably good and you feel that, and it's it's that's her. She's write. She writes all her songs. I literally like kind of didn't know. I guess they did, but it's like right,

she writes all her songs. She just has like like I've listened to like these fucking switched on pop podcasts like where they dig into the songwriting with her stuff, and it's like, wow, yeah, she's like doing like she's like intentionally like employing these things of like you know, declamation or whatever that the songwriting terms, like the phrasing all that. It's like, but what are you talking about, like the like verbal math or the melody the structures.

She's like, she's pretty like she's kind of a chameleon in that way where she can like do you like, she can do like a stadium rock YouTube song at the start of her I've read, or she can do like a law adult ray songs. She can do a hind like, she can like do like we're all these just yeah. I would say she's an excellent communicator with

her music. So when you're listening to her music, the messages are like so clear and so for example, for example, here is an example of a really good Taylor Swift song that like fucking nailed her fan base and everyone generational generationally that was listening to it, the song you Belong with Me. So she this is like long ago her Fearless album, which is her first album that won the Grammy for Album of the Year, and it was

like while she was still doing country music. And this is like her first like pop crossover kind of hit, which was it's about this girl who's like the best friend of a guy and he doesn't see her. He likes this other girl and she's like the typical cheerleader and she's kind of the girl who wears like baggy T shirts and like whatever is she actually this girl? We don't know, but she communicates being that girl very well with these following words. You're on the phone with

your girlfriend. She's upset, she's going off about something that you said. She doesn't get your h I do. And in those words, it's like we get it, we get exactly what's happening. And then the chorus is fucking big because you can see it. I'm the one who want to stands You've been wrong, so I can't you see he you belong with me? He belong with me. And you're like, I'm there, yeah, and I do know that. Yeah.

And also you know, like as you're talking about him, like right, she like I mean crazy that she's a songwriter, which is like Dolly pardon you know, like and like also like the country crossover I didn't pay attention to do she like makes like her, Like a picture of her makes my asshole clenched. Yeah, it's so it's nothing about it is subtle, and nothing about her is like nuanced. I mean it's nuanced, but nothing about her is like gray. It's so like I'm here, you look at her and

you look into the face of capitalism. Yes, that's right. And I'm like, I'm honestly like I get no sense of the desire for sex from her, yes, yes, and that you know, it's one thing to be a sexual, like um, consciously a sexual, and you're like, this is I don't even honestly, I don't have any sexual friends. But I'm like, you know, I'm like I get it, you know what I mean. But like her, I'm like, she's she's like it scares me to picture her fucking then,

like sucking a dick, or like rights so scary. You've never gotten a sense of who she really was as a person because it was so impenetrably marketed and like so far away, so that when she didn't say anything during the election, it was like, fuck, like you really are, like this created very far removed thing from us, and for you to have marketing yourself all along as like I'm the girl next door and we are best friends.

Feels weird for you to not have our back now now she's here and she kind of says she does, and I think she has seen your point about the sort of a sexuality of her, because she'd be singing about sucking now, she'd be sinking about sucking. Now. My whole thing is during the election is and this is what I just said a bunch of times, is that

like she was just selectively worke. It's not that she was fake work, that she was selectively being like and she was like the like the model for white feminism for a time when that was like when that little buzzword was in the conversation, but she was like she was like speaking out against sexual assault in this way that was like empowering and she was like speaking as

a victim of it and like cool. But then like for you to like not say a fucking word during graded by the pussy like insane, insane rough, So that that's rough, and it's it feels like you know what it's like, it wouldn't so now not to not to put the onus on a one to even speak on it, but like, but I just think that plase, you know what, it's kind of speak up, speak up, But I appreciate that. Yeah, the thing as though it's kind of like now she has been asked about why she was silent, and she

has an answer for it. Have you heard this? So she says that, So it was right after the Kanye Kim thing when they kind of like called her out for like being fake or whatever, and I'm almost calling her a snake and like like it was like this weird thing where they were like, tell her, what did

the snake cancel Taylor cancel cut her? And so she was very much like felt persecuted by everyone, and she saw Trump, who she says now was quote weaponizing the celebrity endorsement and saying, these liberal people, look, you have Beyonce on stage and Jay Z for Hillary. They don't

care about you. You know, I care about you. Like he was kind of really tricked lower class people and even middle class people into thinking that, you know, Hillary and Barack work clinking wine glasses in the sky, and they could never know you because their friends with Beyonce.

And her excuse for not speaking up now is she saw that and thought they'll look at me and Hillary next to each other, and think, look at those two nasty women, look at those snakes, look at those people who could never identify with me, And she didn't want to hurt the situation. Which, what say you about that? Mickey mass marketing wise genius genius genius genius statement, Wow, terrifying. I hope she goes in the right direction. Okay, I I think she's mean and it's going to be like

unproductive feminism wise. Teeth teeth do we do we like them? What's Taylor Swift's teeth? Okay? I think they're probably fucking blinding white, But I mean, are they faith? But no, it's almost like they rise beyond the tooth shell there because I'm a little underbyte boy, and like I get

I get what. She doesn't have an overbite, but I think she they're not big because what she does have is if she smiles too big, her incisors are way up here and you're like, oh, whoa, those are your real teeth and like they're heal and I think which means that they're all her real teeth. You know what I'm saying? Oh my god, I never thought Taylor Swift when I it's like, um, I guess like I do

you guys free Delisted. I just like by habit, every time I want to like kill myself during working our escape, I go to Delisted and that just someone was like, when Taylor, it's a picture of her smiling, and I would say, she's done a really good job of making her teeth like not something I focused on where else, Like in the past, we've seen certain celebrities come out and you're like, Okay, what's up with the teeth, like as in like you know, Hillary Duff circa two thousand

three where those veneers got put in and you were like, okay, those are absolutely huge, and then she's now figured it out and as Lizzie MacGuire again and we love that and we love that. But anyway, teeth in terms of Taylor, I don't know, we don't know. I mean, I'm I'm out here saying that, UM just just to like quell the truths, Like it's it's not that I think they're

well the anything else you want to address. UM. I also, okay, the other thing was just Kirsten Dunce, she like would I don't know her, but I wanted to tell you like a story that once Abby and I were at south By Southwest for Broad City, but what was the deal? Jesus, Well, she may be there for far Ago or something. I think so. And she was with Jesse Lemons and they liked Broad City and they were like, you know, they

were so funny. They were like rowdy country kids and they were like drunk and they're like, oh my god, oh my god. And I think it was like still they were like quiet about their and um, it was funny. They were just yeah, you know, drunk, and like I think I wasn't. I don't like drank a ton. I smoke more. So you know when you're like in that point where it's like, you know, I'm like I don't know.

I was like I'm not at the same level. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but when someone like that says they like what you do? Where do you want to go? You know where? And um, it was cool. We just like set in a hotel room and they were like really like buzzed. I've heard she's like a very cool person. Yeah, she was really like dorky. And I was like almost like like in this like delicious, charming, sexy way, and it was almost like, um,

you know, like how cute she is in Jumanji. You're like, that's my friend and I have a crush on her and you know what I mean, and like she's so cute, but like also like she's also my friend, like she's does like that, like it's still cool, you know, like she was really cute and um, Jesse was cool too cool, Like I don't even have I don't know, but that No, that's that's great. I love that. And I'm not like, um,

I think like she would love Dunsta songs. I'm like that would make them feel so cool and relevant because I'm like also, you guys, like like the whole narrative is what I'm getting from you about like the we've been here since the beginning, even when you say Jumanji like truly, Like Here's the thing about Kirston too, is that in every one of her performance, not only are they really good, but is like an iconic moment. And each every one of her performances and her iconic moment.

And when they're in the supermarket and the evil Hunter is like looking for them, she grabs the cashier's price gun, points it in his eyes and goes price check yes, and he goes because the light has gotten his in his eyes and she's blinded him and she gets away and I'm like, you're so good. And also one more in fact, I'll go around and we'll say an iconic moment. This is what I'm saying, like I don't have I want to I want to feed you and I want you to go okay, So can I tell you one please?

Have you seen Bringing On? You have iconic toothbrushing? Remember we all remember they're just brushing their teeth. Her and Jess Brack kind of like getting wet because they're like brushing that freaking yes, and it was so hot teens. He was so hot at that time. He was so hot at that time. And then he became even more hot in the movie swim Fan, which we love, and um wait, also you can't ever forget from bringing On. Miss Eliza Douchku really just thinking about because she talked

about being like assaulted. Yes, she recently, and I just said, like, oh, baby Brandon, she she's we actually we interviewed her at was it Tribeca? It was she was so cool but were sex this is but she was with her brother and they had like shot a documentary about something there was some queer asuse. It wasn't a documentary. It was a film about that's right, Oh my god, that someone didn't look at their notes. No, something about being gay? No no, no. Yeah. So her brother like wrote directed

this Maplethorp movie. She produced it and they both produced it. I think they both produced it, and it was Yeah, she was so cool. It had Matt Smith from The Crown or yeah, anyway, and she produced it. And also, what's the iconic moment in virgin suicides? Oh? It has it must be that a side suicide, virgin mom the virgin suicide. But I'm like, is that right? I don't

even know right, I think she like hanging. The iconic moment is that her character's name is LUs I think, oh wow, I think we can fact check that anyway. Can we check that Kirsten's name in Virgion Suicie? Oh my gosh. To get her on less cultures, we really do. We would. Also, honestly, I'm like, cut together the Dunsta sons. He make it like images, and then it's like, come on, if we sat her reel of every time we've talked

about her on this podcast. By the way, I think she might be the most the second most or third most talked about cultural figure on this pod, after Kelly Clarkson and Swift, because I'm a Kelly Clarkson kind of girl. I saw her like a commercial, like for a talk show, and I'm like, she saw Rachel Ryan was like, I can do that. That's me. She's like, I'm Rachel. Right to wait. I bet she would die to have you on why. Oh my gosh, that show. That's I'm scared.

I mean, she'd be so fun. I bet it would be so goofy that here's my impression of a Kelly Parkson interviewing Elana at her show. Oh my god, that's so cool. You got to do a show with your best friend that I've never got to see my best friend because I was on the road. What my house is my best friend? Oh that's cute. Okay, you're selling me on it. Yeah, I ask her on it, honestly,

just d M, that's so funny. My literal dream is to meet her just once and not weep because every I literally, dude, my dream is for you to meet her and week I had an opportunity to meet her and I didn't take kid because I got to wait. I'm I'm for that because I'm like, you'll meet her on your time's right there, Yeah, she's right there. I don't want it to be like a moment where like

I don't know, it would be a lot. Do you want to is your thing that you want to be a little not you don't want to come out it just from an angle of fanhood. I want to be able to you want to be like you want to not be her equal like I want to. You gotta be.

You gotta be like I would like to meet her with purpose and I would like to be measured enough to be able to like tell her that she was important to make great because I was a little gay boy on Long Island and when American Idol happened, it was like, um, it was a moment for me because okay, this is like this will get a little real. But I remember seeing like America fall in love with her and it seemed like she was just being herself and I was like, huh, maybe one day I can be

myself and people will like it. Like it was very it was like if you love this, when when no, no, get out of here, She's gonna love this, Remember, she said Kelly. Who's like that for you though? Who have you met anyone that you've been like, oh, like RuPaul. I met RuPaul. I was like, I feel I can't even explain it. I'm like, I feel like I'm RuPaul's child. I remember, like had that VH one show. I'm like, I just felt like and like we will come back in my culture thing later. Like I'm like, I just

always felt seen. It's so weird. But like seeing I mean whatever, seeing heard by Ru and also Ru like made me feel as a kid, like the world I want to be in is out there when I finished high school, yeah, and can get out of here. And finally like comment, oh my god, you fantasy And it's not like I'm not like a black drag queen, you know what I mean. But it's like I was like, oh my god, that world is You're still communing with

the world through Roo. Yes, And it was like playfulness and invitation and welcoming and like um thick joy thick joy um. But that is very where I'm just like, fuck that that was, and and like I'm so grateful for purpose, but it it does um in general, and like such a I work so much and I'm now

that Broad City is over. I'm like trying to make um room intentionally for real life abbeys too, We're like, wow, um, but the purpose actually, I think it's actually so beautiful that you like, for you to meet Kelly when I go on her show, for you to meet her with me is like to cry because I'm like, I wish I could have done that, but I was like, we got to read our lines. Um, you want to run it.

You want to run it like Mars has given me the opportunity to issue like presence and processing, and I am noticing like the limb I'm missing right now because even leaning too far into purpose, is that what you're saying? Yeah, And I've been so productive and I'm like I'm a fucking productivity queen. Like but you know, it's like I need some like space and quiet to be like our word group. I'm not gonna say that our word into Mike, but like our word group and just like primordial group.

And I really need to like do it like intentional journey, you know what I mean, Like to give that space for that to check in with yourself and have those moments like real yes, yeah, I totally hear you. Yeah, it's it's okay. Do you want to get like really really do you want to get like really because this feels like such a safe space and I'm like it would be so chilled to just be like present and real.

It's also like, you know, for like a gay boy on Long Island, like I was just so would just look at Elliott, my brother for culture and I'm like, that's what culture is, That's who I am, you know, like Elliott was like my guide and like guiding light. And it's like my journey as like a queer person is like happening through broad City in real time, and it wasn't like as clear as um you know, like and you remind me of my best friend Andrew, and

it's like it was so clear. Friend, we were like first friends in kindergarten if you can't believe literally I remember, oh my god, like twenty seven years of friend. I have a but also Long Island like where we have this like we've made it fifty five miles away, you know what I mean, Like it's this small world. I have like a few of those friends, but are like

journey together, you know. For boys, it's it's so um it's so much clearer here, Like I'm not like these other boys, you know, and as a girl, and like I want to be the girl. I want to be like in the girl or whatever. And it's like my journey is like opening up through Broad City and Abby two look at her like queer journey and how she shared that, you know, and like, um, it's just what was it that I was like connecting it back to just that you're You're narrative is so clear, yeah, you know,

and my narrative is clear through Broad City. But I'm like, I honestly want like part of me wishes that I just met Rue broke down and cried it but instead of like really love it, and I'm like numb, you know, and I kind of numb out when I'm like, uh, that's just like my defense mechanism and body does that. But I think it would be like I wish I did like cry and ruse arms, you know, I don't.

It's like it's weird because it was that moment. It was that moment like before it was real, and then I wonder what would have happened had I been like in front of her or in front of my hero.

But um, it is that thing where sometimes you feel like you're having an out of body experience when and so you're you're not in your body your body when I Yeah, when I would like have like like nervous breakdowns in college and like comedy, I would feel really like dissociative, and that's how I feel now, but in a productive way. And it's like I want to like break that open. What does it look like you dissociate

and then and then you work or what? Well, it's even like um meeting rough, I'm like, so we are so honored to have you on this, I mean beyond like I grew up like yeah, yeah, this is so crazy. Let me know anything you need and we'll say, well, yeah, yeah, we're just gonna jump in, you know. And it's like okay, like stop screaming, stop screaming, you know, and like and then even like I mean, I I just like tried to like allow myself at least I can be quietly amazed, stunned,

dumb stunned like that. But like it it's kind of this like offshoot of like the numb thing I'm talking about, but like yeah, you know that kind of thing. And then I'm like guys, guys, what we gotta do is, um, you know, did anybody get on you know, like it's just like being productive to be productive, and I'm realizing that's also an avoidance too. That looks really good and like does move things along, but like there's a different

way I want to do things that pressure. Also, when you have someone on your literal show, it's like you do have to do that where it's like you are sort of like there and you're like the person like you you and like Abby were the kind of like they're like you are their host. And so it's the responsibility to that, but also the responsibility to yourself to be to like not have this moment passed you by and like not be able to tell someone like I'll

be real. We had Margaret Show on this show my number one when I was when I was like fucking online Island, being gay, shutting the door behind me, plugging in my computer on my headphones so my parents wouldn't hear me listening to this content and like, um, really for the first time ever, like was was expounding sort of like these this humor that I didn't know why I connected to, but I did, and I was truly young, and like I didn't understand like what a douche was,

but I knew that her doing stand up about it was funny to me, Like I didn't understand all this exclusively gay humor. And then we traveled to her to have her on this podcast and um she was upstate New York doing a show, and I think that it was kind of just we literally it was the first time we ever traveled for anyone. And I'm also it was so literally I was so nervous beforehand, like bone

can tell you. I was like rearranging the chairs in the hotel and we went and for her it's just like it was a normal fucking day because she doesn't know that. But but I mean, we kind of sat down and I was like, I can like chicken out right now, or I can say like that you meant made such a difference to me. And I did say that, and I think she kind of received it like Okay, cool, thanks, but did it feel for you? But I'm happy I did it. It's satisfied the thing that you call. I'm

really happy I did it. What town do you grow up in? Ice Slip? Oh my gosh, why where are you from? St. James. We were like fifteen minutes away. But yet world, did you watch Strong Island? What is Strong Islands? Um? It's like an extremely painful but unbelievably gorgeous document documentary. My friend who one of my best friends, who is from Upstates is documentary and I've like, I've permaded that and it's terrible. So I had to work to say documentary. But it takes place in East Ice.

Slip and I slip and it's like eighteen years earlier. I have to see it. I can't believe I haven't seen it. If it takes place in Ice, make space to break open and like feel the history of the country in your spine, you know what I mean, like

yearn and change it. Yeah, it's powerful. Yeah, it's actually like it's such an interesting place to grow up, I think because you kind of like grow up and you're there and you think, like this is every town man, this is like we're we are we're living in it, and we're also like on the right side of history

and this is how you live. And then you kind of look at it from the outside and you look at it like a queer from a queer point of view, when you can kind of see it, and now looking back, I'm like, wow, like I really I'm I'm I'm proud to come from there, and I'm happy to come from there. But when I see sometimes like how thick the patriarchy is there? Yeah, why are you proud to come from Maybe I said that because I don't want to hurt

people's feelings. Maybe that's why I just said that in Colorado, Aurora, So where where that? And it's like twenty minutes outside of Denver. Just the separate It's truly, this is the thing about this is the thing about Denver and this I truly felt that when I went back last week for the show. It was a great show, was a

great crowd. I love Denver so much. Being there, like existing there feels like you are in for me, at least someone who's like not super outdoors, you're not super into sports or not super to like skiing and ship I mean I ski whatever. Um, it feels like you're living like in purgatory. It feels like literal like literally your in suspension. You you do not know which direction to go in l A's over there, New York's over there.

You're like where where where? Where? Should I end up because you guys have this direct directional thing of like, well, we're fifty five miles outside of New York or whatever, and it's like you guys know where to go at least in some general Yeah, you were, you were headed to the city to get out of that situation. I want to qualify what one thing, which is that I

think that breakdown deconstructed and eventually expire. I want to say I think that people on Long Island have big hearts, but I often think that it's like they always mean well, and it's just and I do think that they don't understand the sort of microaggressions and sort of things that like hurt people from marginalized community when when especially when they don't know they're part of one, like coming of age there and just being on the outside of everything

and not really knowing why, but knowing why. I was like, I know, it's not everyone's fault, it's the fault of like sort of like a system that says to men, like you tell your wife what to do, it says and it's like, you know, when emin eminem was huge when we were in like elementary school and middle school,

high school. I'm sure, and to have that be the most prominent cultural figure in a community where they are already told and they already can view like the fact that like there's no gay people in media, there's at that time, there's you know, men yell at their wives because I can't breathe because I get excited and I like miss like my normal breath. So I'm just like damming because I need to like gas. But you know what I'm saying, But you know, that is literally gorgeous.

I love that. I love that you can you have the awareness of the air. Yea. It happens so often and people look at my mouth and flared nostrils as I like try to mask a on in their face, and I'm like, you know, and it's better to admit and like and I'm gonna one day be over it. But I understand. You can literally see you getting what I'm saying because it's like every and I can tell it's true because like when I came out of the closet to people, they were so quick to love and

accept me, like I really had an easy time. What I'm really appreciating is the big hearts part the patriarchy be tick that like I really appreciate that. It's like we are Long Island is the first suburb. It's like the science lab for the suburb. How long do we have? Um, it's the and it's the prototypical suburbs. So everything there and also in New York is so such a wild place. Like it is as racist as it is not racist, as woman hating and woman violent as it is feminist

in a space for women to be strong. It is as gay as it is homophobic and here and um, you know, I'm I'm obsessed with Long Island, but I really appreciate, appreciate the big hearts thing because I'm I'm picturing my best friend's parents, who are Italian voted for Trump.

So I didn't grow up with Jews. I grew up with like Italian Americans and like the Irish people, and then also just other white people who like and it's interesting like Italian Americans like select when they are ethnic and when they are white kind of like also who Jews are, like, um, they like will will cash in their like white currency. They're they're patriarchy points and when they want and then other times they're like do you

remember the Holocaust? No one forgets the Holocaust honestly, like everybody will remember, like honestly like remember, and I'm like the Holocaust, like, it's not about remembering that is what

we need. It's you know what I mean, It's like about not it's about putting our money in the right place and like speaking up because it's not about the Holocaust, like that's happening to in our country to like children, brown children like you know, um, and I can picture my I'm so close actually with my best friend's parents who voted for Trump. I love them and like I just saw them recently and I'm like if I like, I haven't gotten there yet, but if I talked to

them about it, they would cry. They would like weep and cry and feel so bad. And it's and they are like really Catholic and like they you know, are very they believe in something and they have huge hearts and it's, um, my parents. I've been like, thank God, I don't have to do like the white person thing

of talking to my parents at the dinner table. But it's like, well, then talk to other people's parents because I have like these I have these friends for years, twenty seven years, and it's like then talk talk to Jenny's parents, you know what I mean, like because they would they would be receptive, they'd weep if I was talking about this to them, and like that big hearts element. There is such a strong piece that I've been uh missing that I think that I think that is what

it is. And I will say, Um, the reason why it's challenging, I think to talk to people on Long Island, like or in any suburb or some sort of any conservative person that you care about, is because when you go back to see those people, you step into an atmosphere wherein historically you've been closeted and you've been restricted, and you've been sort of cultured to shut the funk up.

And so to go back into that environment and even be the person that you are now, which is someone who speaks up, which is someone who communicates, is hard because we've been classically fucking conditioned two be small in that space. It's violent. I always call the air of Long Island like sexually violent, because okay, can I can I ask you a Colorado question? So it's like, do you see this insane like pressure that we have like

around our narrative? No, I absolutely, And this is what you're talking about with a clear narrative, because I did not have a clear name. That's what I'm saying about Colorado. There's no clear narrative. And call in New York is like I'm I'm the star of the yeah, because like so many movies are made here and America, like we think we're the star of the fucking movie from coast to coast, and like now in the middle, it's like we are the stars of the movie too. Otherwise we're

gonna like, you know, it's like the divide or whatever. Um. But for you guys, for you guys talking about Long Island, it's just very interesting because it's like I said, like there's a gradient like about which you guys moved towards New York you go west, literally there is one. There's the big city. Yeah. Yeah, So it's going to about it being in the middle of the country, which is like where do you go because Denver and Denver and oh my god, okay it's really quickly he really quickly, really,

oh my gosh, please take your time. Pat and I were in Denver, um eating a legal pizza downtown. I wanted to show show Pat this like fun Denver burrito place and then this I feel this aggressive tap on my shoulder and I turned around and before he even turned around, this girl goes, do you remember me? It was? It was, it was fine. But then and then I and a miracle happened. I said, Brittany Colston. First and last name came right back to me. I said, Brittney Coleston.

I'm I'm using her real name. Yeah, she will never listen to this. And also, thank you God. I love that miracle than program in humanity is the biggest like miracle there is. Thank you, Thank you Bryan Ryan with a Jden Ryan. And then and then I think she did not remember my name. She did not remember you, stupid. But then but then she's like, she's like, hi, how are you. We catch up and she's doing she's like my boyfriends over there. She she's you know whatever, she's

she's very nice and I don't remember you. I have a boyfriend there literally and hack and now for this and then oh another Long Island Queen Royalty. And then then I catch up with her and I'm like, how are you doing? And she goes, God, she goes, didn't she she was just like, you left Denver, right, I was like, yeah, I did. I was like in New York now, and she goes, wow, because you know the people she goes because the people who leave they never

come back. I don't know what to say. And then and then like bless her heart, she goes, um, wow, I can't believe you remember me, but like I guess, I guess Asian people have very good memories. She did not. And that's why you leave. And ultimately that's why you leave it because you don't say she actually and this is another miracle, a miracle happened. I was just I just like I was very impressed with myself at how I just was like I just didn't laugh it off,

didn't like, oh wow, ship, good for you. I was so neutral. I was like I didn't even chump. I was like, hm, I just did that. I was like, oh, yeah, she's good. You know. It like becomes like I'm smelling something bad right right, And she would not but she would not leave, and she didn't and she was like obviously a white woman, so she that was a twist. I honestly like this reverse Long Island racism where we think we know that's a twist anyway, race is this person.

She's luck but she you know, but she's truly like Okay, it doesn't it doesn't matter. It's just like she was just like she's like yeah wow, but she was truly like the bleak moment was like the people who leave do not come. Oh okay, I have like some additions. Okay. So I was a waitress at the Blty Breakfast lunch and take out from fourteen to eighteen. Okay, I learned, my god, where was that at the same times at the Sint Gimes train station just off the hundred yards dred.

Sorry guys, I do meeters Readers' Rights train station and um and uh, so I really studied and learned. Um, I got like an early masters in the socio economic um structures of Long Island are like segregated white Long Island and like Mafia Long Island. I'll just leave it there. So before so I was yeah, I um because like screaming into that. So um, I was about to go at n y U, which I want to talk about Religi and um oh you went sid way to escape

ticket but also evil. So um. Two things. One was like I was like, yeah, I got accepted into n y U. I had brought in UM Andrew Bristler, who was UM called a fagot under the like owner's breaths. He was like abused as a teenager UM by the violent masculinity there. I brought in another gave us friend who was UM, who like was safer because of how

he presented. And UM and this guy two things like I was telling people this is my last day or whatever, like I'm leaving soon, and this guy was like, I don't go I I haven't been to New York City in thirty five years. Avoids the city, like you know by the tribro and then we'll just go north or like it goes to Jersey. I don't even know what the he comated Jersey never has to go to my hat And I'm like, how you know what I mean?

And then this other woman I was remembering this the other day, Alice, who got eggs and mustard um, and she was like, you're gonna think I'm crazy, but now I eat actually eggs and mustard like Alice. But she told me when I go to n y U don't get tainted. Don't get tainted. And that's that's what it is, and that that's the teller right there. But that's the tell don't get tainted. That's how you know. It's intense

fear that they math with pride. Yes, they say, it's like we are from our hometown and we're proud to be and we don't need anything else. It's fear like she's providing safety for me, protection for me. I'm like, I feel unprotected right now. I feel unsafe right now because I don't because I think you you actually hate me if you knew who I was right right. And that is another thing about fear. Yeah, that's the fear in like sharing and really sort of I always say,

like I always say, it is a thing. One of the things I always say is, um, like, when you come out in whatever way you come out, and then you have to keep coming out right, So it's like you come out as queer, gay, whatever that you are, and then you have to come out with your interests, you have to come out with your opinions, you have to come out with your experiences, and so that is hard to share with people who you who have been, who you've been cultured and designed to see in certain

ways because they could look at you and be like wow, um, either I have to confront myself and change a lot of my perceptions and ideas, or I am just gonna stay being afraid of you and not understanding you and sort of weirdly hating you. Well, here's the thing. Queerness is never absolute. It's always like queerness is the beam of light. And then you're you're constantly being presented different

like prisons to refract them. So like the prison is gonna be sucking Alice one day where you're where she's like, don't let it taint you, and You're like, what does that mean? It's like you just the thousand joys and sorrows everything per person, where you just have to like know what to how to respond to an Alice or Bert Newkolston or a fucking whoever whoever in Long Island, like gave you ship. I don't know, Oh my god, everyone everyone okay because you because you were just there

for a minute and then you know you did. I went to UM I did psych and child psych and it was fucking sick, and I'm literally like yes, actually first um GSP GSP, like kids with public school education for real aren't so smart. Honestly, that was so smart. And he's a lot of Long Island. People were GSP. Yeah, LSP as they called it. When I was there, Liberal

Studies liberally started changes to Liberally. They're like General Think, I think because they knew that General Studies program like sounded shady like to the kids because my money actually going to end like whatever. But it was great because I, um, do you guys know Matt Stupira, he's a writer. Yeah, he's one of one of my best friends. I seriously have like best friends, and I love New York for that reason. I keep it here. Um, So met Sears,

my best friend, and we met there and John. I had two friends at n y U. I found it extremely hard to make friends, and then I made my other best friend into later. But that was it. I was like, I have two friends. This school is too big. It was I gotta go to comedy. Did you guys enter comedy while you're in college? Yes? Well we were, and so I was in Hammercuts and Boonen was in Danger. Okay, so you guys were both in Tish. No I wasn't. I am still jealous. I am still resentful, are you really?

That was because, yeah, it was like one of those classic stories of like did you audition and not get it. Okay, there was no you couldn't unless you were Tish And I was like I don't even say s m g SP bitch. And then the other thing was like I like looked into I was just like, is there a way to transfer to Tish? I got to be and it was like you had to pay like another four thousand dollars per class and I was like already on aid or whatever, and I was like, oh funk this.

And then also like to just do comedy it was dope. Yeah, I like, also I loved the I love psych and ship Yeah, because cool. But you were you going up to you? Were you like energy? So when you say like you you started doing comedy like that was like you went to UCB, Yeah, I mean you CEB. And also like, oh my god, there used to be oh gosh, there raffifi. You weren't oh I hank like such a thing. I remember moving to New York. I was like researching.

I was such a fucking And then I was just like these are the these are the spots to go to the tank that raffifi like there used to be like the whatever is happening? Corporate capitalism gentrification wise, like I've seen in like the pattern of there used to be like many small um pleasing to do comedy, but now there's not even like the big places to do it. I know it's wild, it's so wild what is happening.

But like I talk like just I don't know. Being here it's like making me feel better about having gone to ny U because you know, I really loved a post you wrote once about how and I was like a real estate company that have classes, which is true, and um, I uh, you know, it's like a ticket that you buy from out of out of city to invest in the city, and if you can afford it, you get to like get a foothold in the city. And it's like something that I used to feel like

so guilty, but and I guess I still do. But I'm just like, this is that's the that's where I was born into and what I was able to do, and that was my plan and here I am. I don't know. I think it's like you have to also give yourselves some credit because the fact of the matter is we were born into and raised in a system that said you go to college at eighteen, and so where do you go when you go to New York, you what you I don't know about you. I played

everywhere in the New York City area. I played early decision to Columbia. Didn't get in, but almost when in an athletic scholarship, if you can believe that, across country and track. And then I didn't get in there because I wasn't smart enough or my test wars weren't good enough. But I did get into n y U through through GSP slash LSP, so I I was not it was

a regular thing. So I had applied religion to Columbia, didn't get in, and then I had I had applied other places and then got into n y U and did that because I did suffer from at the time, like I want to go to a good school. And they were like, you know, n y US one of the new Ivys, and it was, and that was what they were very much saying that I don't know, recycle

just now. Yeah, me being like closeted, try hard, like let me let me look so good in every other area of my life so that when people find out I'm gay, that I don't literally write me off. I said, let's go to n y U. It's a good school. Begged, not begged, but like sort of like with my eyes were like pleased to my parents, like where this will pay off? And I did get some financial aid, ended up being an r A and did everything I could

to make that work, to justify it. I couldn't be an r A. Like audition twice Yeah, fuck, I think they could tell I really didn't want to do it in spuns a lot a week. Um. Yeah, So you guys did all four years four year okay in your research, So you were already researching comedy before you came. This is this is this is what was happening. I was good to do premed no matter what pretty bad I was.

I was doing like oh but like listeners know this, but I just um but I was going on these college stores being like is there a comedy group here? Like Northwestern being like so Titanic players when you guys do auditions, I was like truly horrid, a terrible kid. And then it was it was between U c l A and my U and I was researching the people in the group at n y U. I was researching Danger Box and Hammercats. I was like, I'm not a writer,

I'm more of an improviser. I'm not so Hammercats wasn't even like really like no, not for me, but you have your sites. My sites were set on fucking danger Box. You wanted it bad, and I wanted it so bad. I think I got into that group. I share force of will. I had never acted are written before. That was my first audition ever, and I remember, just like I'll say, I fucking crushed. It was literally because I was like, I am fighting for my life. I remember

sitting on my bed crying. My freshman year closeted horrible. And then I literally went to my computer and was like, who do I look up to most in the world? So funny Amy Poehler. I typed in her name, Amy Poehler, and it's she said that she was in her college improv group, and she did, and she was like UCB that she started it. And so I signed up for a UCB class and was like, I'm going to audition for both of these comedy groups and I'm going to

get in one of them. Got cut first round of Danger Box I'll Never Forgive, and then made it into Hammercats. And then I was because he thinks it's my fault. Oh, no, this is a good story. So I was auditioning for the Danger Box Improv group and Bowen had been in the group for one He came over to me and was like, hey, Matt heard this is so great that you're auditioning. And I was like, yeah, I'm really excited. I took a UCB improv class over the summer and

he said, that's cute. Well, i'll see you in there. I heard you're really funny, so it should be good first round. I did not k that's the energy you remember, That's not the energy he came over. He was, but not even the energy. Literally, readers, goddamn. If you can imagine a time when Bone Dang and I didn't really know each other and he came over to me in an audition setting where I was there, I did not give you that vibe at all, but you didn't but it.

But it was so funny because to now think about that, now, that's so funny. That's so funny. But you put my my pleasant interaction with you through your stupid Rube Goldberg machine in your brain and then you spit it out and said Bone was really rude to me. Excuse me, what's that movie? Rushamone. Yeah, that's rushamone. It's actually Rule

Culture number six. What's that movie? Anyway? Um? I was researching, but and then I sent and Andres a message on Facebook being like, Hi, when are the Welcome Week shows? When we're near the auditions? Like I would love to go. It's such a April April two anyway, Oh my gosh. And it's like Obama's president Bush bush Era, fucking dumbass. I can't we want to shoot in the bush Era for a minute, for a minute, for a hot sack. You went to school in the bush Era? Yeah, I'm

thirty two. You guys are two thousand, thousand twelve. That was I'm like fried, I have like you know, I'm like I love myself and all this, but like I'm just like my we're feel we're feeling the gen z is fucking nipping in our heels. Can you believe there's someone called Billie Eilish and she's very famous. Yeah, wild crazy, she's so famous and it's like wild, like when when someone is truly twelve thousand five Sorry yeah it was when I entered Yeah, yeah, so when someone is truly

truly young and there she's so funny. It's like, okay, same into it because she accepted she won Best New Artists to be amazed, and she wasn't there even though Lizzo was between her and Lizzo Lizzar should want but whatever Billy Billy wants, she wasn't there. But she she sends a video message, a vertical iPhone selfie video front She's in her fucking car. She's like, I can't be there. I'm so sorry. I'm actually on tour in Russia anyway.

Um she goes Patt and I locked about that. She goes videos and visuals have always been a huge priority for me, so they wait. But also it's like Lizza didn't the moment I found I discovered stopped up. The moment I discovered Lizza was. I stayed up on a Thursday to watch my episode of broad City because I was like the highlight of my life watch and then you guys played um let him say by Lizzo in the season three premiere, and I was like, in that way the who just let split screen montage? And I

was like, who the funk is this? I love this fucking song. Look her up that night, listen to all her ship that night. I was like, I'm obsessed. That was because of Max, So I'm amazing. I like listened to like, I watched the videos that he would do, the features that he would do when he would like music supervisor brought to stuff, the beautiful, cool, the coolest,

he's the horniest. I'm so this is problematic. He's so hot, so the problematic and that I'm like objecting whatever that I'm like, just he's like he's a sexy motherfucker who has taste in music, Like sign me up love it anyway. Oh, and I was wondering what I'm really sorry. I wish I knew this, but I haven't was the city in years. No, no, I know the yet, But what was your exact line? Where like their bathroom excuse me, their bathroom here? Um too up, Yes, we don't have bathroom here, and we

don't have bathrooms here. This is the pop up and yeah, I blocked it out. Funny I was. That was like, oh god, that's the best day of my life. That was. That was so funny. And also it was just such a pleasure to receive your audition. Oh, come on. And then Lucia came up to me and she was like I, She's like, who are you? I was like, so the best, the best, literally, the hottest, coolest couple. We had them on the show and I was looking at them like

they're so sexy and cool, They're so funny. It's so wild how funny they are. It's good to have people in your life that you're like close to and also you think are fucking rad. It's come on, and I just fed you your line, bitch of yours. Come on, Okay, Alana, let's ask let's ask the damn question, because literally, and we got a little preview of what it might be. But Alana, what is the culture that made you say culturalists? For me? Okay? Two parter um Um the Love Scheck video.

I was like such a little kid about me each one and was like that's where I'm going to go, Hello, Hello, Wow that iconic cultures talk about someone who gave an iconic forever performance and like that will stand with Yeah, sister. I directed them. I lost my money and that was a moment where like I had to be like contained or whatever. But I was like I did say to them. I was like, guys like Abby and I, it was like, you know, just between taps. I was like, Abby and

I are like standing on your shoulders. You have built like the you have paved the path like you've done the like blood sweat and tears of paving the path. Like the only reason I'm able to do this today is because of you, and like thank you. And it was like so it was so sweet and delicious. That is a moment of stepping out of it and and and giving them and being in that moment and like knowing what you are exactly what you're like saying in communicating to this person who means so much to you.

And and like Susie two and like their energy, like that female energy like damn just like knocked us over. We all were. It was like so magical to for for them to be together. Every time Susie would come on set would be everyone's favorite day of the season, the most genius casting the web series. We were like that's going to be bad, Yeah, you two together, and she literally like is my It's like I came out of her comedy pussy right right, Like I was laughing

the other day. She she'll never hear this, so it's like fine, I was laughing the other day. She she you know, like our mother's And maybe it's not as true for mothers two sons, but I'm sure and it is because I don't know if Eli said this like mothers like appropriate appropriate there such a fucking dirt. Mothers like appropriate their their children's um experience as their own. Oh, and it's like we share consciousness and it's like, honestly, Mom,

I don't think we do. But then I'm like, you know what, I would think that if I were someone's mother, I'd be like, I know exactly what you're feeling every moment that you feel it. I feel it in my body as you experience it, you know what I mean? So you know, like my my mom Sandy does that all the time. Elliott has this like perfect story of her. Gosh,

I hope he's okay with me saying this. He will hear this is that she said to him, Hi, Elliott, that my mom said to him, our hair is thinning, our hair is was like, Mom, I'm gonna kill you whatever. And Susie does this to me really where like I've been wearing my I've been doing like a new do where I like slick my hair back with this like um spray leaving conditioner as well as hair spray and then do like a little fun and it's like kind

of like Victor Victoria or something. I don't know whether it's And I saw Susie and she was like, I did my hair like that in the summers. It's easier in the summer. We do our hair like that, Like she like shares our experience in a way that we like our We're just it says, though she is my mother. It's crazy her tits and like her body, like it's just it's so weird. My mom doesn't have curly hair. My mom has small tits and like Susie's got Susie's

curly hair and curly hair like it. It's interesting. It's that is so well. And also the thing about Susie is what I really appreciate about her as a performer is unbridled. It is you know what I mean, she is right here, you know what I mean. It is And maybe it's maybe it's maybe it is like an improv thing where it's like on curb your enthusiasm, like she's able to be so like alive because it's truly

coming out of her. But what I've always been so impressed with with her is like there's just this kind of like very vivid, alive, emotional um sort of drive that comes from her, which I really appreciate because I'm sure she got told a lot like bring it down, bring it down, put it down. And when someone is just like really fucking alive on camera and on stage

and etcetera, I I really appreciate. I found this insanely delicious archival footage of her doing like some at like the improv archive footage of the improv or something, but her doing stand up when she was like twenty eight, and she was like so cute and hot and cool and it's dope. Wow. I mean but her, but you two together is is like a magical thing that like is not just it's not just about YouTube being like

talented or professional. It's it's just you two together is like a force where it's like, oh my god, Like I think it was it the first episode she was in where you guys go for shopping and you guys go after the van and then like oh yeah, and then Abby calls you telling you she's about to get she's about to peg, and then you like, oh my god, I come wall and twerk Alana, You're like, Mom, I'm on the phone. So that that for me watching that at home, I was like, this is perfect, perfect mother

daughter casting, and like for what for? Like what for two fun characters? No one's like like, no one's endangering the other in this relationship on screen, Like it's oh my god, it's beautiful and that I do want to I want to ask about uh, just doing the finale in the last season and like where you guys are at now? So like obviously you and are incredibly close,

like bff, that's that's the way. Um. When I was watching that finale, I was like it just felt so vivid and real, like the emotions and everything, like so now you're obviously not like seeing each other as much as much as much because you're not like in a direct working space, but like, what's it been like trying to like what is it like now? It feels sad? Yeah, you know, it feels sad. He's about he's leaving, he's going to l A and so it's like what are

we gonna do? I was watching and I was just like, oh man, that is such a moment of like the change. Are you going just for work and from like my life and stuff. But like I was, I was identifying with the show because it was like, wow, this like happens. Yeah, and and Abby has a place in l A two and lives there too, and it's it's sad. There's like an emptiness. Um. You know, we like chose for the

show to end. Um. And it is really right, like what you're describing the rightness of stuff, um, and how you have to do stuff even though it's hard and that's like the joke of life because it doesn't even like feel good. You're like what but it's like that's not even what it's about or whatever. Um, but it's correct, but it's correct and um, it's sad and hard and like we are. Abby really feels like I was saying

this last night actually um. I was with her at Lucarfest and she was UM, I was saying, like Abby's my sister, and I like our genes have. I mean, it's not that far off because we're both Ashkenazi Jews, but I feel like our genes have like so that where like she feels like my sister and so it doesn't feel like you know, she's like we're not less available to each other, but like we are moving on in our lives, you know, and we're producing stuff together,

um stuff I'm excited about. And we created one show together, like we're sucking bosses and like taught each other how to run huge businesses. You know, Like I think about, like how much money is like put forth for someone rather than I wish I had all that money. But it's like how much money have we gotten to our name? It's like we've you know, the series of broad City, that the budget that we earned by the like selling that content and that art. It's like we ran like

a huge business. I mean, Paul Lucia said this when they were on. They were like, we just had to teach ourselves. No one was really like handing over the keys or anything or telling us what to do. Like you guys, we're like the most like self starting sort

of unit. It feel. It felt like and like at least in like our little world where it was just like, oh, well, look at what they're doing, like let's like let's let this be a model like and and we told them like all these new like these great new shows, like we were saying like like the Pent of Teens and like the other like two hand or like comedies of sitcoms of the world that are popping up now that are so good. It's like I think, like and there's a huge it's a huge it's just like you know,

it's it's it couldn't have really happened. I'm not saying that, like you know, they wouldn't exist, but I'm saying like that, but everything matters when when it's net what hasn't been done before all those little steps, it was shown to be viable through broad cities, so so viable that it was just like, well, great, like that's this works. We know this works now. Like if there were a chapter of a textbook that is like shows like this, like your show would be like a huge part of that.

And that's something to be so proud of. And what I'm really really what I really love about it is how it kept its integrity the time, and it kept the soul of who you guys were and who what the even the web series was and what the show was kept You kept that the whole time. And that's the hard especially when you become the new fucking cool show and like people are talking about it and you know, it's it's hard to keep seeing it the way you

see it, I'd be so smart. She is just so smart and the way she and she's such she really like taught me how to be an artist. She went to art school. And I was like, what is that? Like I'm such a like you know, and I'm just such a I don't know, like sort of more low mindset, you know what I mean. Like I'm I'm I have that accessible quality because I'm like fucking dumb too, you know what i mean, because you are all the time.

Is so elevated it and like, um, you know, like she's just so smart and elevated and um, she's really good at that integrity thing and shaping that because I'm so open and uh and like giving, you know, and she's um has like stronger boundaries you know. I don't know, it's it's just so smart and know what you're saying. And Paul Luccio, what's funny is that like as you know,

you're creative partner like becomes your husband wife. I was the husband and I'm the husband with Abbie and she's the wife and and I'm like, oh Jesus, I gotta like please my wife. Oh god, you know what I mean it's like that's my like like that's my like butch little like fucking mask. Like I'm like, I'm like, and I oh, I can I do somethingfo you know what I mean? Whatever? And Um and Paul Luccio were I don't, I don't, I can't gender it, but they

were the partner. They were the unit partner to our unit partner, you know. And like the fact that they're romantically together also was helpful. It's just helpful because it's like, at least we're not fucking slash. I wish we could just fuck to release attention, you know what I mean. So there was just like a helpful It was so magical and it's an experience with one other person that you can that no one understands. But do you guys some trip on shrooms and we tripped on I've done

it three times. I enjoy it. I am I've done like some trips on shrooms. Um probably like Tanner under but um, I like really am overdue for when the last one it was in l A and it was like not cool, not no, it ain't And my my another one of my best friends, the one at the end of n y U where I was like, oh my gosh, you can sell my friends in college. My best friend Anti lives in San Francisco. He met me in l A. We take shrooms on a lift up

to like as a lift. As we're getting to the hike, we're losing service and we're like, how are we going to get back? And it was just obviously it was. It was a horrible trip. And I see m entertainment lawyer and ride home where l A. And it's like, I can't be tripping in l A. And I can't be tripping there or if I am, I know who has to do it, who has to guide me? I have like a and I should. So we're and I see him entertainment lawyer head to give us a ride

home and I had to tell him we're tripping. He was like, row shitty, I've heard you know what I mean like, and I've heard of it, and it's like, bitch, you should fucking you should know every fucking episode. And also I take on too much responsibility in general and take on too many other people's experiences. I'm empathetic to a fault and I'm like going through the thing and I'm like recognizing and uh so I took the front seat and he took the back seat and it was

not cool. He and like I was forced into a hug that I didn't want to give. And I had a terrible trip and that was January. So I'm like overdue for like a really good but really strong, mind losing trip to break open and then like come back together. Because also all the pieces are scattered, scattered for me, I need I need my I need for my brain to be an egg again, like to be broken open. Yeah, because I because I did shrooms last week at a party. Oh my gosh, but it just felt like mom, it

was just like, oh, I'm just time. I wasn't thinking about anything. Now I need to do it rich realistically. I've had so much loss this year and like I don't um well, kind of like the same thing with a handbook you were talking about that home that you were talking about throughout city. I'm like finding that about I'm feeling that about adulthood right now, like this new adulthood that the world is different, nobody can tell us, nobody knows how is to be, Uh, don't you know

what I mean? And like so I thought about that a lot. I'm like, what am I what's the model here? Like, what's the mental what's the plan? And we're like writing it for the future and then a rewrite it when it happens. But I honestly think that psychedelic journeys are a part of it. I think so too, because my trip came last year at the my first as a trip came at the exact right time. I truly I had a breakthrough. I called you the next day and I was like, Hey, all the ship that we've been

going through the last tower many months gone done. It was a switch. It was a switch that flipped in my brain. And then I did it again in October and it was fine. But I it's been like a year now. I'm like, I've the pieces feel scattered for me. Honestly right now, I'm just like what am I? Have you been taking stock or they just are you? Just

like fuck scattered? It's been scattered. The last four days have been me taking stock and it's felt so much better already, but I'm still like, there's still I will like this will slip through my fingers again, especially like when fucking work starts and stuff. I'm just like I need to come back. I need to be recentered. I'm

about to experience a huge monumental loss. And I know that's like that's like a lot to like put on this on you right now, but I'm just like, well whatever, and it's just I need to I need to be set right in some way, not and not to put this narrative, not to put this thing on drug used to be like it'll fix me now, And it's not drug us. This is actual like human experience, experience, like pre patriarchy. Yeah great. I think that we just as

like and this is the thing. It's like as a culture we need to just like and I think that this is happening with our generation and the generations that are incoming. It's like we just need to shift our focus away from these being these like dangerous or like

to me, they've been so helpful. Like I the first time I took acid, it was like, um, such, it was the most emotional day of my life and it was just like really, and you know what, since then, it has reconnected me with my emotions in a way where I'm just like so much happier now that I can say I'm an emotional person. I have access to my emotions in a way that like I didn't realize how trained I was to ignore them and to be

kind of like a machine and stuff. And now I can really say, like, my emotions are a strength of mine. And it really just made me realize so much about myself. I I reconnected with the fact that I'm a very physical person. You know, hello, athletic scholarship. I mean, but what is even negotiating an athletic But that was but even but not to be real though, that was like

a part of me. I remember, like we were Upstate when we did it, and I remember I just ran and I was like, wow, it feels good to run intil the air in my lungs. This was something that I forgot and so it was incredibly helpful for me, Like I don't and you know, I also think it's about It's a lot about atmosphere, and it's a lot

about where you are in your life. Because it's like I will, that's only going to be something that I do if I feel like I'm in the right zone and I feel like I need it for something that I can't figure out on my own. Because it has truly unlocked things for me that I was like that's what it was, and it was right here the whole time, but I just needed to clear my head a little bit. And so that's like, Um, that's been where I'm at with it. What does we do for you now there?

Is it just a part of your life or does it still kind of does it chill you out? Like? Um? I always like, um, I always say something I always say is something I always say cracking myself up, repeating you, but I it always cracks me up. How I smoke weed and I'm like, oh, fuck am I, And then I'm like, wait, I've heard you say this before. And then I'm like oh yeo yo yo yo yo, and

then there's that period of fear and then you're fine. Yeah, It's like it's I think it's like still remains this like funny little friend, this like silly little bitch who like makes me nervous, makes confront ship and then she chills with me as we giggle about like mental illness.

So did you start into it because culturally, like people around you were really into had a really kind first boyfriend in high school who, um was the person that I learned about my thought symbols, penis and blunts and it was like the first time I was doing anything. I was a very like, very nervous kid and didn't and it was like a late bloomer in like that in that way sexually and um confused. And then also

we I mean we smoked like Zach Britman. He was a great fucking boyfriend, such such a good boy, and he smoked so much. It was like dangerous for sure, um, dangerous for others as we drove, plazed out of our minds and children, I mean children driving as though you know I in your brain stops growing and changing. But before then, I'm like, you're actually like mushroom tripping all the time. It's it's so like so so I can't. I wish I could get fire, And that's why I

need to be doing psychedelics more regularly. But weed is my like my marriage really that huge. So it's like I love her. It's been so interesting watching my parents kind of accept the fact that I smoke weed. Like my my parents listened to the podcast sometimes and we did talk about taking LSD of My mom called me and she was like, I don't think you need to be doing that ship and I was like, this is

the difference of opinion. Actually, like it's it's I'm able to be an adult and make my own decisions about this. I don't think anyone needs to do it, Do whatever the funk you want. I just don't think we need

to villainize it. But it's been so interesting watching them accept the fact that it is something marijuana that helps me and that I'm functional with and in fact more creative and productive sometimes when I do it, and I just think, it's like, it's that generational thing, right, It's that like sort of suburban long island thing where it's like or whatever wherever you're from, where it's just been fed to the generation above us that this is something

to fear. And it's also so baby more culture and so get ready dominator culture versus partners. Dominated culture encompasses rape culture, slave culture, you know, systematic whatever it is, so dominator culture also to be like I feel this way, thus I dictate your experience. I don't like, I don't want to get an abortion, so you can't have one.

I don't want to do LSD, so you shouldn't. It's like, I mean, I guess it's scary if it's your kid, but it's like, ask questions, don't talk at me, ask me what it's like, and it's just exactly and it's just it's kind of like a it's just a misunderstanding. It's a generational sort of just gap where it's like and it's interesting to be in the place where it's like people we're tripping their balls government, Like doctors were tripping their balls off from government acid starting in the sixties.

Like it's not I'm like, you guys should have been the pioneers. It's a little bit of like my mother was like a bartender in New York City in the eighties, so it's like she probably is seen she probably has like seen ship that she's like, like, sometimes I'll be doing or like and mix in a situation experience where I'm like, if I ever have children and I find out they're doing this, I'm gonna flip out. I'm gonna kill them, Yeah, because this is so irresponsible for me

to be doing. And so like I'm going to kid my kids some like um whatever, some issue to work out sexually in their teens. Truly, I need to. I always wonder that I'm like, how am I going to suck my child? Though? Oh, my god, what mistake. And if I even have a kid now insane to think of that. I think there probably is the right way to just punitively like bear down on your children enough

for them to still be well adjusted. Like I like sort of pointing into a kid's chest and poking a sharply and deep like almost bruises and then just like I used to babysit a lot, and I'm like, really like a string babysitter until they bruise. Okay, so this is insane, but we do have to do. I don't think so, honey. I could fucking sit here for really hours and time. You love to come back. I would love to come back, and I'd love to be a

reunion episode. You have things like you say things like reunion and say things like like this is gonna be a monumental change. It's not. I'm gonna be back all the time. I'm like literally keeping my apartment here. People have been messaging me being like, what's going to happen to the pod, you guys, nothing, It's gonna stay the same, nothing. Okay, just so that I would say that, but let's do I don't think so, honey. This is our one minute to rail against something in pop culture that. Let me

tell you, something needs to be railed against. We need to dress it down to something we hate in pop culture or life. And I do have something that's been really bothering me. Okay, all right, this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many as time starts now, I don't think so honey, it's like confirmed that aliens are real. No, I will not have this. It's like, there's enough horrors in the world. You don't need to confirm my literal number one childhood fear with this area one garbage. I

don't think so, honey. Every article I see that are like, guess what, Yes, UFOs are in this guy, Yes, we can confirm it. Also, I don't think so honey that if this is true, I guess we're like breezing over it. Talk about other things. This feels like an existential threat. I'll climate change, let's discuss it. So. I don't think, Sonny, aliens in the sky get truly away from me. If you're advanced enough to like bet in the sky around us, that means you probably have a fine planet to go

there or find something else. If you are more advanced, like this is not the zone. Also, I don't think so, honey, that you want to be here. You do not want to come to Earth right now, truly, Like there's probably so many other things that you can be doing than coming to Earth because Earth, I don't think so honey. Right now you are truly on fire. You have bad leaders worldwide. Get somewhere else, Aliens, I don't think so, honey. And also you probably look just as gross as you

do in media popular media. And that's one minute. Yeah, aliens, Um, we're in the middle of something right now, get away, come back? But what about help? I just do you think that aliens have benevolently come here? Honestly, I'm like, what if they're like boum and they just send a ring of energy that heals. Okay, so you be coming down like fucking us, you know what I mean? Like whatever,

I guess, like that's the thing. And like, honestly, I'm like, if we needed to be fucked in all three holes or whatever to learn, I'm just like, if they if they could help. But obviously I don't want them to come here and ruin everything. But we're not the theorists. I don't know the theorists say that there's like there's like category one, two, three, four. I think that they're

called categories. But like for an alien to be advanced, for an alien civilization to be advanced enough to come to Earth, that would mean that they are advanced enough to like harness like the energy of stars, and they would probably want to, like you, probably want to destroy us so they could harness the energy of our son to power there the right. So you're saying they would only come here to to to kill us, There's a very slim, slim chance that they would come here to

be like, hey, what's up? Well, because think about human nature, like we have historically only gone places to take them over. But I'm like, that's like, I'm sorry, like white male Viking nature, right? Is that every nature? Is that? That's an interesting point because I'm like, I try to distinguish humanity from the patriarchy. Thank you, thank you, but we're not, so we discussing something very other. And so I think

the roots that may not apply. We could be dealing with an arrival situation where they come and the way they think and talk is like nonlinear, and then we have to figure that shit out. Get Amy Adams on the line, which because I can't be me. What are the aliens? And Arrival one again? They just wanted to like they wanted a gene or they wanted to they wanted something, they want they needed something, and then they had to leave. Yeah, it was I forget exactly what happened.

All I know is I was weeping at the end of Arrival. I rested. I think I don't know if I was stone I think I went stone cold, sober, and like just I was high on like Amy's performance. Wow, it's actually real coaching be fourteen. I was high on a performance. That's my thing. I don't like aliens. I don't like it. It's not going to be a thing I get over either, like my fear of flying. It's it's I don't like them because you can't predict them.

You can't. That's true. It's not humanity. It's not humanity. I appreciate. I appreciate that. That's a rule. Coach number aliens, it's not humanity, thank you. This is gonna be bowen yanks. I don't think we need his face idea so that I can unlock what is his phone? Okay, okay, So this is Bowen Yanks. I don't think so, honey, and he will start right now. Um, I don't think so, honey. Um jewelry. I looked at my rings and said, jewelry. No, here's the thing, jewelry. It cost too much and I

lose you all the damn time. And um, speaking of jewelry, my jewel, I lose my jewel all the damn time. You guys this, I'm really just just just grasping at straws right now. But I think my jewel Actually, no, this is the bad thing about jewel my I. I

had a friend, her name is Nora. A Lamina says, but when you should, you should, because um, you're gonna wake up and you're gonna get dry mouth, and um, if you're if you're quitting cigarettes, then the jewel is going to actually like coat your esophagus or your air, your trade with worship. And then she said that, and then she took a pull from her what jewel she's

jeweling but she can't break out of the bicycle. Nora, I'm sorry and putting you on blast, but you know you're you're you're getting me worried, but you can't tell don't burate me, I gotta burate you back. Okay. So that became and I don't think so honey about Nora lam Aquaphena, which I hope you're okay with colleague's she she and I are going through the same struggle. I'm gonna I'm trying to break out of, break from the chain of jewel and just let her know when I'm

on the other side. Hey, it's possible. Come with, come with, come with Okay. I'm gonna add to that that my husband, David, my man partner, David. Um, I also want him to stop sucking jeweling, but we are a partnership culture couple, and I don't want to tell him what to do with his body. Don't you're not a dominated culture couple.

And his partner how Tian that he does science. Um David, they went to China to like whatever talk um freaking like people with Chinese people with money for science stuff, and um David couldn't bring weed and he was very nervous and he picked up the freaking jewel and he's like telling me that he needs it at this time, and it's I'm like, dude, I'm gonna smack about to go and he's nervous about that's what happened. And I'm like, how Tian and David stop jeweling if the kids like

die they're having mysterious long illnesses. I'm literally go back to cigarettes. It looks cooler. Yeah, you're right, it does look cooler. And then you get like a cold and you get sick, and you're like, oh god, I shouldn't you know what I mean. It's now I'm actually nervous weed vapes. I'm kind of just going back to Flower. I'm like, wow, the ship, Like I love to smoke like Flower. I like to smoke a bowl. I am the guy that I'm doting now he smokes joints all

the time. And the vapes, I'll say this, I like that I can have it on the go and it's like more and considra but and they're faster acting. I feel high immediately, well for me, but I it's weirder on my throat. It's I feel my lungs having a more difficult time. And also like this is a little bit weird. But like when I smoke a vape, like difficult for me to get horny on that. It's weird. It's like it's it's it's been something I've I've observed. It's so cool to me that that is clear enough

for you. I love that. I love it. It is clear. It is clear for me in this moment. It might not be true ultimately, narratives are so clear. Really, yeah, that's really interesting here in my body. Okay, it's time. Okay, I have like a really dark one, talk about bleak but true my comedy. This is a lot of lazers. I don't think so, hony. Your time starts now. Okay,

I don't think so honey. Jeffrey Epstein, you think you can die out of all these accusations which you raped kids and you you had the low leader jet, I'm like, where has billions come from? I can't even read that, chick, because I'm like, I already freaking no. And you're the way you made money was by sex trafficking children to the richest men in the world. You can't die out of this because you know what, we have a sexual predator,

a proud sexual predator in office. And that's why the Rise of Me Too, That's why they takedown on Harvey West. That's why this ship is like popping off. You know now, um, I like always say L O L that, like we're popping a pimple right now, because I can't think that this is the end. I actually think it's the beginning and I need optimism or else like get mobidly depressed. And I'm like, actually, Jeffrey Epstein's death, his body doesn't matter. The energy that he like put on this planet will

not be forgotten. We're going to learn from it. You can't die out of this ship. And like your brother's like, he's not gonna keep his money. Trump's gonna be told, Clinton's gonna be told everybody like like wrote the jet it's not a coincidence. It's on something you didn't realize. You knew it was creepy. You can't die out of

this That's yes, man, j Honestly, thank you. Eat. My ass got to end because guess what if if if if he's going to be like a Sea Chaine for everyone, like he is pictured on that fucking plane with underage girls. I'm sorry, Prince Andrew. I'm like, she's like, come out about it, dude. I'm like, actually, just you say it. I don't care about jifree or whatever. And I actually don't care about Prince Andrew's like, whatever he has to say, you just tell me everything, because like, just just say

everything Trump is. It's unbelievable how much footage we have. There is no doubt. Can I say that he sucked all those kids? You know what I mean? Like they fucked kids. And I'm like a sixteen year olds a kid. Yeah that's a child. And you know what, this is what I love too. The the new American crime story that's going to be about the Lewinski scandal. Um, you know what I think is fucking genius is casting because

now people will understand that was young. She was young, and she was preyed upon, and people were like, Beanie is Monica out? She's so young. It's because she, Monica was young and taking advantage of and this entire country and the world laughed, and they made it about her and Hillary and the fact that he you know, he never answered for that really, and the fact that there's

even more women. Yeah, goddamn right, We're gonna watch Beanie portray Monica Lewinsky because she was young, too young, and I and like, I'm just like Lolita jet like that's what they called it. The I'm just like stop hunting me, go fuck yourself. And you know what, like David was saying, I was like, we were like talking about it, and he was like, you know what, it's less trash on the earth, and like we don't need to suck a body to like uncover what this means systematically, So don't

think that you can get out of it. And also people are like he was murder allegedly su said, I'm like, I, whatever it was, I believe that he would happily kill himself up to protect the patriarchy that was his number one. That was like purely like him, like not wanting to answer for anything and not and like wanting to take

this knowledge that he has appear with him. I yes, and oh my gosh, yes, And I think he was he would happily like slit his throat to suck the dick of patriarchy like he thinks he's like a like noble warrior's kind of what I think where he's where he's like we it was our he thought. I think he thinks it was his right to do that, and that he's like I will, I will protect these men, and I'm like, no, you won't, because those women have

grown up and we're about to get your ass. That is so bleak, you know what it's it's confronted the reality of the world and saying actually no, and that that is like I'm like, I don't know what comedy is anymore, everything upside down. So comedy is like dark and like sad and ships. And it's like when people pretend like it's good for comedy or or just like whenever comedians speak out and really it's like, aren't you be a comedian? It's like, no, actually, I'm someone. I'm

a person who uses my voice. And if you're laughing, that's cool and that and maybe if you if you're laughing enough to listen now like good. And I'm also like then those people are not on the edge of culture because comedy is like becoming something else right exactly. And it's like, are you Jeff Fox? Really? Fine? If you're Jef Fox? Really, I'm a comedian. So that's why I'm using my human voice because that's what it is now. It's like cohesion. I am thrilled about this episode of Glory.

You could come back whatever yea myself right now because I want to You're so okay. After the special comes out in general January and Amazon Prime Video. We're going to get this episode out you mind it up for that up that special four months. So this islah blah, and we're gonna finish every We finish every episode of the song. Here we go, which one? Let's do my tall check my nails, baby, how you feel like? This has been a Forever Dog production executive produced by Brett Boham,

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