"There's Something About This Guy..." (w/ Jesse David Fox)

it's having the conversation. To have the conversation about talking about the weather, because I keep going back and forth, and you keep going back and forth, and where they're not talking about the weather is acceptable? I think it is. When something is so unusual you have to call it. It is unusually humid. Look at my fucking shirt. I'm drenched. I've never looked this way. I've never looked as I've never seen you. I have never seen you. You bowen

one of the warmest presences. When you send that to him, it's like there's always a crackling fire. And he came in here and he said, don't hug me. No one hugged me. I did not. You said this. You put up both your hands in our guest face, and you said, don't hug me, no one touched me. I'm a sop fest that's what you said. That wasn't the reading. And I would have hugged you anyway. That was not the reading. Then what then? How what did you say? So our

guest shoots up from his chair our guest? I mean, I mean if I'm if anyone were to outmatch my warmth, it would be our guest shut up? Okay, what she could be icy? She could be icy over email, Well, she shot up over she shut up from her chair to hug me. And this is this is this is the reading. Well can you can you just repeat the quote you said, don't touch me, no one hugged me. I'm a sop befest. Okay, this is this is how I said it. Don't touch me, no one hugged me.

I'm a stop fast. You love to give yourself a good narrative. You are You're a victim. You're a public victim. Bowen yang, a public victim. That's the title of your stand up. Like oh my god, wait, gorgeous beat of sweat just rolled on your face. It was like it was like, my god, it was like Gray's anatomy, but for heat. But for heat that was so glamour, rude, lamor rude. You can't believe how beautiful that was. Can you feel the energy? I can, It's a thick energy.

And can I say something? Yes, we only allow so many straight men. I always say, can I say something? I know I've noticed and you and I always tell you always have the permission and we have the right to say thing. And but just to address what you just said, we only allow a certain number of straight I mean we really do. Can we name them? Can we count them? On one hand? First of all Sylvestry, sylvest Street, Tim Platt, Billy Dominant, Domino, Chris Red, Chris

Red Famous, And we're missing a couple. I mean there have been other straits, There's been other straits, but I mean those are the queens of the Straits though apparently queens of the Straits. And I got to say, the sky. You know there's something about this guy. Um when when he came into our life, this guy, this guy, he approached us and said, I think there's something there, and we said, we know, we know, we know, we've been around each other and we know there's something about this energy,

this duo. But truly, I mean, he gave us so many opportunities. He was he was the one who sort of opened the door for us to write recaps for Vulture. I'm still making those checks. I'm still making those checks. I'm not me. I wish, I wish I could even though I had. This is how in love with making money I am. This is how obsessed with money I am.

Even though I had a full time job. I would still wake up at not getting six in them morning too, right, watch RuPaul's Dragons and write those recaps before I had to go into work. Attempt I can't believe because I'm so obsessed with just getting any money. So if you guys go back and read the season eleven recounts, just like read that from the lens of Matt Rodgers being completely stretched, then, um, honestly and being a fucking money hungry ass. I'm a money hungry ass. My ass is

hungry for money. UM. So here's the thing. There's something about this something about this guy. You know. The thing about him is he's a senior editor Vulture. That is one of the things about him. And another thing about him is he's one of he's not one of the host He is the host of the Good One podcast presented by Vulture, presented by Headgum, Headgun and Vulture. You know that this is something I I know very well,

presented by Headgum and Vulture. I was the one of the co hosts of a podcast called Web the Tuck, which he puts he he was the mastermind behind called drag Her and you know, they continue on and he's but he's such a champion for people in the community. He really is, and he's laughing, No, he really is. He like has really helped, you know, showcase. He said such nice things about us. We were on a good one.

We were we had a fifteen minute thing on Good One because we're not big comics, you know, we were tiny, tiny commy baby, I'm not even not even both of us are big enough to get a full We both were roughly amount to like seven and a half minutes worth of time, you know what. That's how much we are after after posts after after you know, exactly exactly. But that was really fun. That was so fun, and that was such a fun show. Yeah, and I really love and he really asks the right question and just

so you want to know. The Good One podcast has comics come on and they talk about and dissected their iconic jokes and their iconic bits and the material, and then we kind of get a glimpse into the process. It's if you love comedy, you would love this podcast. Love Good One. And this is a man that I would like to tickle me. I would I'm sorry what I would like him to tickle me? But I think that if you were to approach me in a romantic setting, Okay, I would let him tickle me. What if it was

completely patanic? Fine, Okay, she sounds really fine. That sounds fine. I bet that me and our guest would have been really good friends at elementary school. I bet the three of us would have had a sleepover, you know, before things get like sexually complicated. Yeah, okay, that's all I have to say about throwing out. So I would enjoy a frozen pizza with this You're throwing out something about

this guy tickling sleepover's pizza. I don't know. I get to sense when I'm around him that we would have innocent fun together. And there's something about this guy. And then there's something about this guy. Yes, there's something about this guy. Please welcome into your ears, Jesse David Fox, Oh that was so nice. Forever you are. You know, you're the sweetest boy. You're the sweetest boy. I try. You are really do treet boy and you end on

your tweets with love Jesse. Because Hunter made me and Hunter's young and taught me how Twitter war this is. You were talking about the iconic I have to say something. This episode will largely be about you. But now that you've mentioned well, I bring her up and then immediately I brought it up. So the first time I first became involved on Twitter with Hunter Harris when Alex Young was coming to Game Show. He asked for tickets to

Game show and I said yes. He's like, can I have a plus one to bring the iconic counter Harris? And I was like, I think I know this person from Twitter and even he referred to her as the iconic uns. You have to follow Hunter Harris at Hunter y Harris. You will not be disappointed. It's daily, just like daily. Belly laughs for me, are you bringing something up? I'm bringing something up? She So we're recording this on July. What is the seventeen um tweet? Nineteen I mean nations

came out yesterday. She tweeted her. She tweeted, um, not not a single billions nomination. I see period locking off and fajor bars she her, So I like sort of had a private good one with her. But how she does it to Her computer is filled with folders that are collated by types of gifts, types of photos. I was like, I was like, she was like my friends like, don't let them make this is special. It's really a thing.

She's amazing, the queen of Twitter for me, Queen of Twitter, the queen truly so goddamn funny, so fun I'm just laughing at like she you tweeted something that you just tweeted the other day we were together, we were just I was at mats apartment. We were laughing, laughing, laughing about Hunter, and then you tweeted screaming why Harrison is the queen of Twitter or something. And then she quite tweets and she and all she says is the taste he has taste spelled t a with an M S

t e. Axon take the toss day that he has. Wait, hold on, I'm going to share one more, one more tweet that I liked that is just like, hold, this is so annoying. Don't mean a private good one like you. No. No. I literally just asked her how she did it. I think you. I think that's so. She said six, I mean six Emmy nominations for Homecoming, a film by Beyonce, eight periods, a huge ellipses, a moment most pleasing to

me in my career. It crazy. I don't know who one of those was for writing which I which can we talk about this? I think it's odd, It's beyond odd. It's her Nanette want of Sykes because this is the way where most stand ups get nominated. I'm very aware of this guy. So her Nanette wanted Sikes, Amy Schumer

and man Who's and Adam Sandler and Adam Sandler. It's truly like four Netflix specials and Beyonce for writing um Homecoming, which we should be said, a phenomenal special, phenomenal phenomenal. Let's let's even give it a phenomenal outstanding variety of special whatever the next word is for her. I mean maybe part of the submission was I don't know, I'm not as much of an Awards one because I would

like to be. But maybe part of the special is submitting some writing sample from the true But it's like, I'm sure you know, like all like the phone muffled phone voiceovers in Homecoming, I'm sure like she like I don't know, I'm sure she was involved in that creative process. Well, someone had to write that sketch with the bug a booze bugga booze make me laugh, which is Emmy worthy.

But I also think that Emmy's like when think they like to teut like this got eleven, this guy they like having both one nominees like things yetting on a role. I don't know totally why. So it's probably also like, well there is writing. It was not bad, so like this is a sensation they want to make sure that you haven't. They want when you look at the total nominees like these are the most important TV things of the year. I get that. Here's my problem with it.

And actually this is this is something where I was talking to my dad about this today, like their dad was like nominated. I forget how it came up. It probably wasn't a topic and then I just started talking about and knowing me um, but I was saying, like it's weird that there's no category called like individual performance, because when you watch Homecoming, what is amazing about Homecoming? Beyonce's performance? And yet there is not a category that

exists to reward performance and especially like that. So even if we're calling live performance, yes, even like if we're calling what Hannah Gatsby does there an individual performance, there's no right, there's no category to acknowledge that. And yet there is this writing category that Beyonce gets nominated for when it's like, if you watch that, you're like, wow, she should win an Emmy for this performance on television,

and yet there is no category four. And that is actually where I would place all the Saturday Night Live performers. That is a weird thing, very much weird. It's always weird, but it's nice. I guess when there was a time where sn L. I mean there's decades where there no one is getting nominated, so well, what's cool when they started getting But now because it's in the news all

the time. I don't know if you've heard Bowen that now that they have to try out a few Robert de Niro's getting one for eight minutes of screen time, right, which is he submitted the Sandra episode, which is which Sandra also got nominated for. But for me, the SNL thing is weird because it's it's weird that it splits off into there's it lives under the umbrella category of variety. But then but then these these nominations fall under comedy. You can there be variety performed, Yes, there you go,

that's what that's what's missing there. And I think I think there did used to be a category called individual performance, which with them was done away with and they moved the SML performers to competing all and supporting, which is fine comedy in comedy. But my my issue with that, and it has nothing to do with should they be recognized. Of course they should be recognized, but I have I have a tough time reconciling and also knowing, by the way that none of this matters and most of its bought.

But like I have a tough sime time reconciling, like, how do you put Kate McKinnon's incredible performance on sn NOW up next to someone like Betty Gilbin, You know what I mean? They are doing two different things. And also you know what, shall I started watching dead to me fantastic, fantastic, But I don't think that a comedy, and it's twenty nine minutes long, so it's not really a drama. It's like all these things are like blending

in together and it's just getting too weird. And now I'm kind of thinking, like, at what point did these and also it's binary too, which is weird. At what point of these categories just melt away and we just start honoring performances for what they are. I get that it's less fun, but you know what I mean, like it's getting weird. The only two directions it could go is if it if it got more granular like best performance in a drama, which is never which I don't

think it's gonna happen. Or the other direction is it all gets lump together into one monolith of but then it becomes like the Pulitzers or the other warden that sounds like Pulitzers, or like here's a pile of people body which is not fun to look at. You're like, oh, there's no you don't know what they're being judged against.

It becomes like a fair award, but not a thing you'd want to watch a show up of course, right, It's like part of it is you're seeing the faces of six Now eight people are nominated for Best, so you'll see their eight faces and you're like, who's it going to be? And then they'll they'll pick somebody and then they'll get some speech and you'll forget who wins or whatever. Um, but that is it is good TV? Is it good awarding? Who knows? But that is why

we watch it because it's a television. Yeah, if you lumped it, then it's just literally like listing people's names. Yeah, literally, that is you know who I think does it? Right? Is the Television Critics Association of the They what they do is they say, here are six nominations for achievement and comedy, and here's six nominations for achievement and drama,

and it's individual achievement and drama. And I remember, like, um, this is an award that like Rachel Bloom has won and that and they don't break it down by gender. They do not, and the the the the um. Whenever I brought this up before as an idea, some people say, you know, I think rightfully, so like, well, you know what will happen, Like it'll be all men and then the women will be under representative and honestly, I actually think that, and you can see on these t c

A awards like it's predominantly women. I think that the women on television are by far giving the most exciting performances because they're giving the space to do so. So I don't necessarily think it would go that way, but yeah, I think TV would be It would work because, as you said, there's more shows for women, there's more interesting roles. The roles written for Manner television or the same roll over and over again, which is at the same time whatever.

But it would You couldn't do it for the oscars because it would be it would take forever. And this is just the nature of that industry, is that the movie industry moved so slowly, like because there's such an investment each thing, it takes forever. There's like only so many movies a year that released, so that's why hard. But TV you can definitely do it, and then women

would win all the time. Like I feel like other than the sort of like Lynchpin, big male antihero characters on TV, I feel like you're not seeing that that much interesting stuff in lead actor roles. For the most part, I think there's so much more in male supporting roles and in female lead roles and female supports. I mean, you saw a Game of Thrones, like they got so many nominations and it's like it was supporting actress tons of women, four out of the six, which is kucku.

But then you look and you're like, well, they're all great, but did you see um somebody posted like the breakdown of screen time that all the Game of Thrones cast that they're and like it's like dink Ledge has like over a forty minutes of screen time when you can take all the season and Alfie Allen have like eight, and it's like yet they're both supporting actors and it's you know what I mean, It's it's just I think TV.

I felt that. I always think the Emmys is interesting because the Emmy's is voted on by people that work in all of TV, including people that make the TV we never talked about, right, so they like when TV

works like, which means people watch it. So there's like Game of Thrones is a big hit, we have to celebrate it because it did sort of like stop time, like it might be the last time we all sit down, like big bank there didn't get nominated because they do feel like they support like doing a good job, like I feel like with like Late Night Variety, the late night shows, they feel like they often reward like successful broadcasting opposed to like artful television or whatever, like oh,

they are the best, sort of the most basic of like they responded to the day or whatever it means to be a broadcaster. And I think that's probably where, like Game of Thrones is a big hit, let's celebrate the whole run by seeing how many people we can nominate. And it's like when a Lord of the Rings was nominated for every single Oscar, there's like, look, this is

only going to happen so many times. I feel like the industry wants to applaud itself for having a hit, like they once to, Look, we can still do it,

Like we're still a monoculture. We still this thing was both big and good, which is I feel like a very sort of a very and a very Ellie sort of reasoning, which is like, if it is good, and it is if it is successfully big, that it is at least somewhat good, right that you have to reward it for for for it had to do something right it costs a lot of money, like it it did sort of the job of like successfully employing people in

the entertainment industry. What are your favorite nominations that happened? Oh god, this is so hard. I can tell you mine what you think? Um yeah, you go. I actually can't believe that Fleabag was nominated. I can, of course, I can believe it based on quality. But like ship like that, like that everyone's talking about and everyone knows is so good, rarely like rarely breaks through, Like like you remember when The Wire was on TV and everyone

knew The Wire was the best show. Never was The Wire like up for those awards and maybe later on, but like never, like Friday Night Lights, it took so long for that show to get recognized. So something like this where it's like, you know, it's the whole industry stopped and was like literally the industry stopped working and scared the funk out of people, um like truly, like you don't believe that those things are gonna get recognized.

And then something like Ships Creek where I just thought that had like a niche fan base, but it just goes to show I think the efforts to diversify and include like younger people, diverse people like that slowly and shortly you're seeing those things get embraced. M is it. I think it might have something to do with the finality of both of those things, because it was that I think has one more season. I think Fleet I

mean flee Back. It's like like part of the narrative for Fleaback wid this is this is the last season she's doing, and it was it's been two years since. It's a small show, and usually small shows don't get nominated because like it doesn't make Usually a small show does not make as big of an impression, but it

seemingly did. When you sort of exist in sort of media bubbles, you do not know if it actually is being watched by people outside of those media bubbles, and like we have written about in a million times, but we don't and we have an audience who cared about it, but we have no sense of like, and it seemingly has connected with people. But that's why I think the biggest snubbles that the Hot Priest didn't get nominated. It's

so weird because two supporting actors I just did. It's crazy and no one was checking for Shawn Clifford, but she's amazing. She got a nomination, and that shows that people did love it and watched it. And the thing about Olivia Coleman getting nominated that she didn't deserve it. But it's like she's like her screen time and this season was like amounted to what like minutes super small,

and I can't remember anything in this season. I feel like I'm remembered, but like, and I would say, it's like, oh, the Emmy's like to nominate movie Star, but then the then they did not like to nominate movie Starts because Julia Roberts didn't get nominated, like exactly that is to be both so the Emmys and so not the Emmies at the same time. Truly is bizarre, the fact that they could have had Julia Roberts there and so deserving. Do you think Beyonce will go? Yes, I don't think.

I don't think she will at all. Well, I guess it will come down to whether or not they show those categories on the main show. I don't think they will because John John mulaney one for one year and I remember he gave a speech, so he must have won first he won or either Best Outstanding Variety of special or writing for variety and like panton Oswalt one for something. So they usually do it because they probably usually do because that means the stand up comedian will

say it's something funny. Sure, but they had that great powder blue suit last year. You know that, though, I though, what if they bring around she doesn't win, that'll be that's when you're rigg it. I mean, and in this the year of Lion King and the Winds by Medwinds, imagine a net winning Michael j will fucking over beyond that, like, oh my, I have I have my favorites. I do want to point out one gigantic snab and I'm biased,

but it's something that Jesse's pushed. I was going to say, I think Cecily Strong should should be nominated, and I think that it is agreed. It's crazy that she doesn't get nominated. I felt I saw it. I looked. I was like, I was nervous. I looked slowly. I was like,

and I saw she wasn't there. It's like I should have wrote a thing because I was like, I wrote the thing about Keenan and Keena got nominated, and he might have gotten doing a service, and I was like, and we had talked about doing something and we tried to and we couldn't get work. And I was like, she needs again. She does what the she is, what the show is, She does all the parts. She is what Bill Hater was for the show what what's his name?

The guy from the nineties, Chris Parnell, not Chris Parnell but like forte nineties and his wife killed him Phil Hartman. Yeah, but I know, and and and of course it's amazing that Kick got nominated again fifth year in a row. UM and ad Lesly of course, like In the Path got nominated so deservedly. UM would have been great if they got nominated again too. But like Cecily going, if she leaves that show with ever getting nominated for an Emmy, I'm just like, that is such such an oversight for me.

And you know, the thing about it, too, is it's like it's tough because, like I'm saying, like they don't really belong in that category, but but yet it seems like they've made so much room before. Like I am so thrilled to see that so many of the performers from that show get recognized because what they do is so difficult and so grueling. And perform, yeah, it is performance, real performance and like. But but to see that she is the one that constantly gets left out is just

not correct. It's so incorrect. I mean, she she can do anything. It's yeah, she's amazing. It'll they'll they'll be some sort of karmic justice hopefully, yeah in the future. Um if if, if it doesn't, if it doesn't happen, well she's a superstar and incredible. You know, while we're also talking about that category which has eight people in it, there's no space for Darcy card in there. Oh my god, how do you watch the episode that you know was nominated for writing so that you know they watch it,

they're like, this is good. Now it is easy. But now they're like them is interesting, and you know, it's almost like they wrote it for her to get nominated for an Emmy and eight and they couldn't. That's it suck. It's really bad. And that's why that that's that's what brings me back around to Fleabag might fucking win that category because they obviously love it because supporting there were Yes, I mean, I mean I think it my win comedy. They love Barry. They fully love Barry. They are in

love supporting actors. And I'm sorry, but like the titular Berry, they love Mazel. They're made for them. And the Mazel was Maazel for the Emmy's actually really culture number fifty five Mazel, And I have to say in the I love Mazel. Yeah, we we we stand Mazel. It's just crazy because that's when you realize how good television is, because you look at the list and you're like, what

do you mean Darcy and Tsily weren't nominated? To get out of my way, let me see the list, And then you look at it and you're like, oh god, this is so thick. The so you asked one of my favorite because I had just for this recording interviewed the Palladinos, the Sherman Palladinos. I had rewatched the guy that plays the artists in episode seven in season two, which I thought was like, oh, it's a great performer,

but no one will notice it that he got nominated. Yeah, like the guy who plays Um the comedian, obviously he was going to get nominated. His name, Lenny Bruce, Lenny. He's so good. It's such a good performance and but that the guy that played this artist in like three scenes, and I had noticed it because that scene is so good and so to how they shoot the show because they don't shooting close up, so he acts with this full body. I was like, very aware of this is

what I think. Yeah, it's also an Amazon thing where it's like they they're programming is pretty lead and so they're able to throw all them go into this one they gave. They're like this, I mean, like they spent so much money on Mazel. They didn't if that didn't get as many nominated nominations as it did, then they'd be like, but it did because it got a million for it, got two for directing, a couple for writing, obviously, customs,

obviously producting, design, her incredible lead performance. I don't know what will win because they clearly liked those shows so, like they tell you like those three shows so much. It's a weird one too, because ordinarily you'd look at it and you'd say, oh, veep last season of the show, and not for nothing. But it's not like Julia Louis Dreyfuss wasn't just as good as she always is, if not better. I mean, I think she was on eleven this season, and there's of course the narrative of she

returned to the show after being sick. So it's like, and she's one more Emmies than I think anyone in that category. But but it's like, so, but it'll be interesting, and I mean, you look at that category and I'm also, like I said, I'm watching dead to me and Christina Applegate is forever this woman. She is an icon. Yeah, dream guest for the pod. Can you imagine I would lose that, I would only want to talk about married

with children? You would only want to talk about Mary bitch. No, No, Samanthatha. What was the movie with her? The movie that she did that was her Cameron Diaz, Oh, come on. The Sweetest Thing, Sweetest Thing, Sweetest Thing famously Sudie Green's favorite movie. She would be people's favorite movie. It's far comedy. It's like I feel like it was marketed as like a light rom was like a proto brides maid like hard comedy. Yeah, you know what this is, This is just a random

thinking about me. Is that for some reason I was, I was obsessed with the marketing behind this movie. But I never watched I never saw it. Was in her shoes. Oh my god, Ken, I was like, I need to see this movie. I never ended up seeing it. I like I would stare at the poster for like thirty minutes. You've never seen it, I feel like you. I went on IMDb. This is like early days of IMDb. I would go on IMDb and like read the quote section and just like soak up the dialect, and I was like,

what am I doing? I should just go see this. Actually it was probably in the closet. I was like too afraid to go because they'd be made fun like that. Like that's why I would watch in Her Shoes with you, because because they saw it on a plane. I recommend seeing on a plane. I quited the entire time. I don't know if I like the movie, but I was like, that was also exactly on a plane the tone that I want. Oh yeah, that's a plane to plane, honey.

That's actually it's actually rule coach number seventy one, and that's how plane movie honey. Shirley McClain. Shirley McClain, Oh my god, Yeah, what an amazing Shirley. There's a scene where there's like a running joke where Cameron has like in a bikini at like the old folks Home pool and alder Men are like, oh, it's like, Cameron Han, Cameron Han, Cameron Han. Did she really retire? I mean where she at? I don't know. Well, God, she's retired.

Did she announce her retirement? That's definitely asking yeah, like a few times. And I think Cameron, what was the lasting she was in that movie? Annie was after it and he yeah, and he was after I mean Annie would put the nail on the coffin for anybody that's that's a real rough run. Wait that movie, that movie where she fokes a car, like is that like the energy of it is? It's that movie? Hspt hots Senior

producer Tracy is making a face. She's like, I'm sorry what, Yeah, what is It's not that she sucks a car, but it's definitely Cameron a car energy the car? Why is talking about? Are you talking about the movie with Michael Fastbender and Penelope Cruise where she's like, yeah, and Howard is telling a story to Michael Fastbender and he's like, this weird thing happened, and then he's then it's a flashback in a car and then she's like, this car is hot or something so hot, I would have sex

with it. Yeah, the counsel written by cor mckmccarthy, truly three years McCarthy wrote it. Yeah, and she full on what's the year on this with the car? It was recent and I remember like on those awards websites that like Prognosticate, she was getting a lot of supporting natural buzz. They were like, this is the kind of thing. Before it came out, people were like, this movie is gonna be good. And then so I think you probably have ideas of what it would mean for her to have

sex with a car. But if I remember correctly, it is not that she has sex with the windshield. Okay, And I just want to say, I just want to say, how did you so that it walked so that? Why did you do that to me? Could fly even not even run? Fly? And we have to just prayers up to Hunter, why Harris? Because just her dedication to still doing about the stars almost a year later, can we say what a moment a star was born? And the culture it really was? It really was, this is a

cultural podcast. We have to give respect we did to get ahold Goddam episode booster. I remember that I was like, I can't wait for this episode. I remember where I was when I listened to that. And the episode came about six weeks later because we couldn't get Jolie in the studio and we were like, there's no one else. We have to talk to Joe about what a moment most pleasing to me in my career? It was do

you feel like the movie? It was a rare time where I feel like, sorry, guy could have been a thing where the trailer was the moment I know then the movie was like, oh remember how good the like like miss was, were like at the moment where the wild things are like where the trailer was the moment. Wait, now we have to stop everything and have a moment because did you see speaking of literally the late and

you know this podcast do talk about Cats? Honey. We are about to enter the cultural moment that is Cats the film, and they have put out the feature I haven't seen the future. We should just say it is July seventeenth. As I said, this is a moment. This is a time capsule for the world as it was before the Cats trailer dropped. Before the trailer most fature, this is this isn't almostly I'm like, care July sevente to July Yes, so sorry, um, okay, how is the

You guys both saw the faturette? I mean so it definitely calls back to the Late Miss featurette and that Hugh Jackman is like when you're acting and it's amazing, and like basically it's reply is Hugh with Jennifer Hudson and Taylor Swift, which I'm sorry, the iconography that that has, the access that that has, the international implications that that has. Taylor. Taylor is so excited to be on set, to work with choreographers that are this good and to just be

a part of the moment that is Cats. And Jennifer Hudson when she heard that she was going to be in Cats, she said who and she will be This is all in the feature. She'll be singing as Grizabella. And you know they do give Grizabella this song memory all Alone in the Moonlight JD for Taylor. So Jay Hudge think, oh my god, even you gave Taylor Swift Memory and be like, no, it would be rough, but I mean famously they told with the idea of giving Taylor Swift the role of happening on my own, just

Taylors singing on my own? Can you imagine? I actually can? And that is horrifying and noting. But you you've like really inhabited tailors, you know, mind and headspace. All I'm saying is they backed off of her for le miss and invited her into cats, and there show some clips of her like sort of dancing up steps and dancing down steps, and it's like really going to be something, and Jennifer Hudson is being the oldest cat in the world.

And then the funniest thing, the funniest thing about it is she's talking about playing like this old glamour cat and they cut to Judy Dench and it's like, why isn't she the old cat. She's clearly the old cat. And then Judy Dench says, I she was like, I was supposed to be in cats, and then I tore my achilles tending and I was like, I thought cats and me would never I thought that was the end

of my story with cats. And then Adris Elba, you would think would be like above it, but he's like the size of the scale of the sets to be in the world of the cats. And then you see rebel. Rebel Wilson walked to a door and can't reach the door. Now, um, I will say this is going to be a horrible movie. I would not disagree. And then James Cordon is also in it, and he goes and he goes, it's technology I've never seen before where you're human but you're also

a cat. And then they show and then they show the like computer bones of someone dancing, like you just see a outline of a person, and then like the red Skeleton and they're going they're doing exactly that, and you think they're to do we have to be the highest we've ever been. I think the movie is going to be what if you it's not going to be good, so will be exactly what you wanted to be. Well, famously, things don't have to be good to be good, and

famously the source material itself is not very good. That's why Unlikely Miss, which could be good where the should should be good, had one like probably good ten minutes and then like was unwatchable. This is should be bad. So then you're like, this is so if it does what it's supposed to do. Camp it's got it's got

a low floor, high ceiling low ceiling, low ceiling, low ceiling. Yeah, whatever, And but I get what you're saying that, Like, I think it will be a assuming that they're taking they are, it will be a true it's bad and exactly what it was. I mean, if you had any suspicions about whether or not they're taking it seriously, this feature that

will confirm, yes, they are taking it seriously. And Rebel Wilson is also which always makes me feel like, okay, like, how seriously can we take this if Rebel Wilson isn't it not saying that I don't I love Rebel is a comedy star, Like, I don't think I'm gonna see the truth in Rebel's eyes? Really, Okay, Wow, I'm just saying my Mike screen partner, Rebel Wilson, and I'm not coming for her. I'm just saying, like, it seems like they went when it came to casting, they said, how

do we go a full ten with every role? Memory? And then sorry spoiler alert die. She goes to the side layer. It's rule culture. Now, I got what's the rule culture. It's rule culture number five. She goes to um, I'm sorry, I what were those words I did not. She goes to the Heaviside layer. Oh, that's part, that's part of the show. Well, you know they have a

side layer. Have you not seen I've never seen cats so funny, neither of I And more than anything else, it's a common you know, the jet, you know the idea, you know this, which is it's not really a storage, just the things in order. You fucking stand cats. I've just seen it once and it was like, oh, there's the things in order, and people come out to you like they should do it? Did you do it in three D? So they can do the I feel like that's the main thing people know about cats is that

the cats can touch you. The wait what, I'm sorry? Yeah, I didn't, I did not PT is nodding, confirming. So the main things about cats, as I explained cats, is the cats come through the audience and they climb all over you. That's number one thing about cats. Number two is yeah, I think so Number two is the dancing is too sexy for how it rum tum tugger is giving it to you. That those are the number one, number two, and then memory is three, and then I

think someone and the goals. Yeah, the goal is to go to heaven. They want to be taken to the heaviside. LA, that's what Okay, that's heave a side there, that's what it is. Um. I was gonna say, Oh, we should also point out, I mean agreedious casting mistake for Patty Harrison and Mature hard to not be in it. I mean, especially watching the featurette to know that they could have had them in the future atte talking about it and

they passed on that. It's crazy. And all I can say is the next musical shouldn't make the same mistake, because Bowen and I are now campaigning to be Flotsam and Jetsam in the film, and I would I feel that would be a moment most pleasing to me in my career to be able to portray. All we can share at this point with everybody is that. I mean, Matt sent a very farstical text to our team what I thought was a farstical text to our agents and our managers and Low and Beholder one of them. It

was looked into. It was looked into, and we got like spicy, spicy details back. I mean, there's no there's there's no progress, but we we know more than the general public does. I would say that we know more than you. Yeah, you read read you the reader. You don't know what they're planning for the film, but suffice say that this is not going to be your your mom's Little Mermaid. Um, I think it's about I think it's not. I don't agree with it with the direction.

We just say, OK, we just let's just say. Let's just say that Matt, just you're going up against Disney. Can you believe that you know what? We can't We can't say I can't say what because if I wasn't allowed back in the parks, that will be the end of my life. We're going in August. We're going in August. Let me think of how I feel like. This is a quandry that happens a lot. That's an interviewer people were theyre not allowed to about how when you heard

about this development. What was the feeling you had? This is a great, thank you, this is a great I was disappointed. Yeah, disappointment. Disappointment was the feeling. I would say that the feeling was disappointment and also sort of um allure. I was like, well, well there's that. If that's true, then how do we have and here's sure. Here's what I think we're able to say. What the information we've been given is that there might not be an opportunity for us. Well, that's saying it. I don't

think so do you know what that means? Well, at minimum, the assumption is those characters aren't in it. And that's what That's what the assumption is. I mean, look, all I'm saying is, look, let's just make a note of Lesley might have to take them. No, I actually love it, and we have to keep it in because guess what, No press is bad press. It's actually real Colt number fifty one. No press is bad press. Um bad. No, No press is bad press. No press is bad problem.

I I was gonna say, um, but if if it's if it, if it means that you don't get you're not allowed back in the parks, then but well, at that point I'll just have I'll get like I'll get plastic. Is that worse than the fact that Disney will by well it's soon represent like two thirds of the entertainer.

I was going to say, like the fact like we will keep running, everyone will keep running into this thing where they people in show base at least will not be able to talk disparagingly about Disney because they will be They will have some monopoly on everything. Here's what I think Disney knows better than anyone. No press is

bad press. And I think the fact that we're talking about it this actually is building on the intrigue that is the little roomaid because I don't know, if you know, there's a lot of a lot of fascination about the casting of this movie. People are up in arms, people are intrigued. Yes, I was gonna say, because I was going to ask you, is it Is it good press for them or for both? Okay, and that's a relationship. Bowen Yang actually didn't know about Hallie Bailey. He didn't

know the extent of Hallie Billy a arial. Oh. I just I just hadn't heard her sing before Beautiful. I've heard Chloe and Hailey songs. But I'm just like, oh yeah, okay, yeah, they're just like those two girls. I knew she was of the two. What happens to the had they split already? No? I think it like the Olsen Twins, where one doesn't want to be famous anymore. I don't like they both went up against it and they're like you are the more well. I hope that the way they're looking at

it is a rising tide. Yes, Hey, guess who gets a lot more clicks now. And I'm just gonna say it may be a Dakota l narrative where the Dakota of the situation, the older one, Hallie Bailey is going to have her moment right now, and then l Fanning is going to be the one who isn't Super eight is in Super eight? And who the fund is she dating? Now? She's dating someone way old. I don't know. I don't keep up with that, Okay, Like I saw a picture of her and whoever she's dating, and I was like,

this actually is hurtful to me. WHOA, what do you think of the Zack. I'm gonna find out what she's dating right now. We're going to discuss it. What do you think of the Zach Brath and the other person year old and he's or she's twenty three and he's forty four or something that that's weird to me. Yeah. Oh, her boyfriend is Max Manguela from Brown Maids Tale and Brown Face Social Network. Yeah yeah, yeah, he was broad.

He was in Brown Face. Yeah, and he's much older than than Hush sure, Um, oh we should I want to. I'm sorry Hunter keeps creeping back into this. Hunter could have had Hunter address, We've inquired about, We've required a um just really quickly, Hunter tweeted, I think a Hunter broke the news to me that, Um, Chris Pratt wore fucking Gadsden snake shirt. Um, what's that? That? Don't tread on me? Snake. That's like Douglass like, like he's a bad guy. You know, he's he's out to me. Chris

Pratt is out for being conservative. Uh, it's not just well, here's my thing with well, look for wronging Anna faris that? Yeah? Was that the he was at his wedding. I feel like that felt like a thing of they had a certain power dynamic, and then he also got famous and they sort of couldn't figure out the timing of he had Like I think it's so hard when they're both famous people and you can't do it if they're both being in movies and traveling. I mean, it looks like

a lot changed about them during their marriage. I mean he went from Chris Pratt like on Parks and rec to Chris Pratt. I'm the start of Guardians of the Galaxy and Jurassic World. You know what I mean, Like, he's a massive superstar, and that what bothers me about Chris Pratt is you're a massive superstar and someone calls you out rightfully. Queen Ellen Page calls you out and says, hey, you're involved with an anti gay church, which he is.

And his response is the typical Republican bullshit of whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm not the enemy. Actually I love all people, which says nothing. Which is my difficulty right now with all Republicans across the board is like we like you. You're not talking to me, you're talking past me. And now it's like we're done. There's no common ground anymore. You you're standing behind the president who put kids in cages, and now he's saying that, you know, congresswomen have to

go back to their country. It's like, I'm not in the place anymore where I can like tolerate this anymore. So for her to call you out in this way and then you pretend, j K laal, I love all people, It's like, no, no, no, you're a part of an anti gay organization. So answer for that. Actually, right now, Yeah, he sucks and thank you Matt for that. Um whatever

he is. Matt has been called that as a dalist celebrity democratic mouthpiece by some fucking random someone on Twitter said if Matt Rogers wasn't a de list celebrity with these democratic views, etcetera. And I was like, what, First of all, can I say? It is you and Cathy honestly huge for me? For you, that's not f It's not although who's there's cool? That would mean that you're like a C list or no, I'm deal list with you, baby,

I'm dealist with that. You are cless. The two of us can't even get more than seven fucking minutes on good one. You believe that, like literally, like it's crazy. He wants us to host this Podma show. Oh yes, we didn't mention, but he doesn't want to give us more than seven point five. We didn't mention that. Jesse is also a fabulous producer of live shows. He produced the Padma Show, puts on a comedy show, Comedy Show

happening again in August fifty another comedy show. So can you talk about how the heck did that come about? I Padma one day Padma follows a lot of people on Twitter. It was really strange. It was I saw it happening. I was like, she's following these comedians. Then she follows me. I was like, Padma's into because, like I understand following comedians on Twitter, they're funny. To follow me on Twitter, who is famously not funny. What are you talking about? It's like, it's funny, but not really.

Stop this is the point of not turning me off. I don't want to tickle you anymore. I thought I was tickling. I was planning on revealing that I was going to tickle YouTube. Now I don't even want you in my room no less. So she follows me. I was like, she must be into comedy. Yeah, And then Lucy castuff happened. She tweets that stuff, and I was like, Padma's into comedy. And then I just was like, we should do it. I don't I didn't know. I was like, a comedy show should be done with Padma. I would

like to raise money. I think I had heard of the organization that we had raised money for the first time, which was the Moving Voter Project. I was like, I want to raise money for that organization. And I DM Panma. I was like, look, it was a DM even that's all. I was like, hey, so I think I said sorry to d M you, but would you want to put on a comedy show? And she's like, let's yes, Let's have a phone call and we talked about and immediately she was like, yes, I would love to do this.

God and she was like and then the media was like, and I will ask this person and she was like, I'll ask Chris and she started using a lot of people's first names. And I was like, this is very exciting, Oh my god, very but a very She was like, yeah, definitely. You know, she was lovely. She was a lovely and I couldn't believe how how specific, how present she was with the each individual person and how much he was like,

this is so great that we're doing this. And then then that translated and you guys were so amazing as hosts. You're just so good. You're so like, you're so good, and the audience was like, this is safe and it's going to be so much fun, and it was like it was and it was like this is you know, I see so much so much comedy and I like a lot of it, but like what it was from the first This is the part of the podcast where

I'm just in commment you guys for a while. But when I first when I first saw that, I don't think so honey five, which was now like two or three years ago, I didn't know what it was. I just saw a show had fifty comedians on the lineup. I go in and you and I was like, this

is correct, this feels home. These are people that I know because it's it's the same thing like when I first met Hunter Harris, which was like, there's certain people like I've been a vulture for seven years, there's certain people that see culture the way that I do see the world via pop culture, the way I do and speak that way, and the way that you do with both sweetness while also being so talented, which is you were ready for the success that you guys have been getting,

which is a thing that is very important that I try to tell comedians. It's like, it's good to try to get opportunities. We should be ready, and you guys were ready for so that and that energy brought to the show, and then we have so many great comedians of different styles, but it all made sense. And so after the first one, Patma I had a deep brief or whatever he talks like, did you have fun? She's like,

that was so much fun. She did stand up like she wrote, she gave you jokes, she wrote them down like she and her and herself was shooting on Louis. I mean you have to remember that's a talented, talented, talented person. I mean she's done it all. Yeah and so and then so afterwards I was like, did you have fun? Just like guesses like would you like to do it again? Sometimes She's like definitely. And then I was just sort of waiting for a moment to do it.

You want to have enough time so it feels like a special occasion. Um. And then after the the about Alabama abortion stuff, I sent her, I sent her to her and her team and email immediately be like, what Patna like to do another show this time to make raise money for reproductive justice? And she said yes immediately,

Like that's been so great? Is that she's been so like I think dealing with famous people, you're nervous that a or like I'm being famous, don't treat me like and she's like, nowhere on the same team for what this thing is. And she's been so good to be like. And Jesse, he's this person that did it with like she's aware that this is there was an undertaking. And um, the fact that we're doing it again, which will be at the time this released, like you know, like a

week or so. I'll just say right now, it's gonna be on August fift and that I can tell you the lineup. You can tell this is. There's some people pending, there's certain people will be surprises, some people are pending something.

But the following are confirmed. Um At at the Bellhouse on August fifteenth, It's gonna be Julio Torres, roy Wood Jr. Chris Gethard, Mayeve Higgins, Michelle Butto On a Fabriga, Chloe Fyneman, Marie Fauston, Larry Owens, Pat Reagan, and Benito Skinner and Bowen Yang and I are going to host and podmel Action will be there as well, and David Fox will be flitting around. That's gone. I love I love going to events. I love putting on events and seeing pell

have fun. It's like very Can I just say, first of all, let me just say Benito Skinner, okay, Benny Drama, Hey, bitch, I heard you listen to the show, and I see you, girl, bitch, you should come on to come on and read us for Filth's astrologically. I love that. I love that, And just just shoot the ship and shoot the sheet. Will meet you will meet them soon and then you'll get to ask him in person. Yeah, oh my god, perfectly. I think it's time we asked the questions. We got

to ask the question. Um, and so this is the question. So the question that we asked on last Coultures, which is this podcast hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. I'm Mat, that's Bowen. We met many years, many years, became friends and started a podcast after doing other things, and you know, various amount of success, a lot of bumps in the road, a lot of bumps in the road, but mostly mostly mostly really great time. Like for I would say I enjoy every episode. Oh we're talking about

the podcast. I was going to ask you guys, if you enjoy every episode. There's two I don't like so much. I know one I don't know. I don't know the other just too I don't like. Okay, but I add because doing a lot of podcasts, it's sometimes easy to forget you like doing it. Oh no, that's what I always say, is I still have fun doing that. I had a run where I was I forgot that I liked the show, that I really your own show. I was just sort of like I'm doing it. I was like,

I want you to be good. And then I didn't think. It's like I like the comedians. I'm talking to listen to them and have fun, Like I literally, now have ago you like this person? Have fun? Listen to them talk. Yeah, I'll tell you. One thing I don't love is the feeling of anxiety when I don't know the guests and I'm nervous about at you not not nervous and I

don't think it's going to be a great episode. Nervous and that like I really respect the guests, like I really wanted to be good, like you know what I mean, Like we've had some people come in here liked came in here and the bad episodes. She came in full black Audie suit, face looking right, hair, vove click in her hand. She said, I thought there was going to be an audience. I said, oh my god, I'm so sorry. She goes, now, this is fine. We fucking shot the

ship drank and had that episode done. Um. Anyway, No, that's that's interesting that you scary. This is this is this is a fun little comparison moment where yeah, I still yeah, I feel the same way you feel. Both of you feel about having the anxiety run our guests and like, yeah, having to like prime yourself for this thing of like I enjoyed doing this. I enjoyed this

person I'm with. Let's just let let me just enjoy this. Yeah, but you okay, so just we are going to ask the question, but just while while we're while we're here, you have you deal with, legit, some of the most famous people, Yes, I mean you, Lee, Jimmy Fallon on your show, and you prepare the questions like what like what is the preparation process? Um I I for a while it was consuming every interview they've ever done. So

um and within reason. If they are a certain level of a famous person who've lived in a lave where they have like a lot of podcast interviews, I can do so much. Or if they host this show, I can only do so much, but I'll try to consume every written thing they do. Um. So that and I'll ideally spend a week, and what I what I say is I try to fall in love with them and then ask questions to convey to the audience why I'm

in love with M so. But then what has happened recently is I realize I'm getting better at pretty quickly getting a sense of what they're what I feel about them quicker. So I don't have to consume every single little thing, but I have to get enough that I know that feeling. I will consume all their work and definitely, but I don't need to consume all their interviews because you at first you just want to know what they

how they like to talk about certain things. And the thing that I tried that I want to avoid is people have stories they fall into, not because there can just because if you talk about yourself, you don't have that many things to say. So you like said, it's like, oh, what was this like? And then they go into their

story about starting SNL. But if you what I try to do is asked, in my question, use their answer that they usually give, so I'll go like, oh, usually when you talk about starting at SNL, you say that this was scary. Then I asked a question that they've never been asked me. That's so once I figured out certain things that I tried to do and then like I have a goal of what I want to show to be like it's it's very written out and there's

an arc that I'm trying to go. They don't know that, but I I am walking them monitor of their of their own hopefully where they discovered the thing about themselves that I have already realized about them, which is like the highest complment where certain comedians will be like, oh wow, I guess my whole career has been building. I mean, this is a real master class from just see for

who have you been? Like? So ged by Um Jesus and Marrow was most fun I had doing this show because I wasn't I knew their working I like them, but then I prepared a lot. But they were so good at being interviewed. One They're so funny and they talk so fast that I was like, we're getting through everything, where like Lonely Island, I'm obsessed with only Island Loland, I think to find so much of what I find funny.

But it was almost too hard because I had so so many things I wanted to talk to them about. I had to talk to them. And also they had been aware of things that I've written about them, So at times a key would be like, you know, like the thing you wrote, I was like, I need you to talk about No, I can't reread a thing that I wrote. I mean there's I'm trying to think of who was actually nervous for I'm nervous live more than

anything else. And because you just don't know be a was nervous Anthony Jessica because you don't know which Anthony jess Like you're gonna get, and he was, Uh. It was so fun because he was able to both be who he is off off mike or off stage or whatever, which is like very very sweet and he like so we would look at each other and it's very nice. But then when he would answer the question to be to the audience, and he would like slip in and out, and he's got a he's got a real old school

performance persona. And that's something I feel like, I don't I think nowadays, in this era of stand up, in this era of comedy, I think you see really I think people are responding to people being who they are because the media is so like sensitive and everything we know who people are, but he feels to me like a throwback to like when I'm on stage, I am performing as Anthony Jesselnik, whereas like Anthony might be someone different, and now he's he's playing with slipping in and out.

He has the story about someone asked him to be a sperm donor and then saying they didn't want him anymore, which he tells on stage where he's both like he gets to have this moment like of course all these women would, and then while also being like feeling how this persona deals with being turned down is really interesting. Um he I'm I'm trying to think of who I just want to make sure I get. I don't want

to not say people that I was gagged for. Katherine Cohen, Yes, well she The thing about Katherine is she's like a fifteen minute girl right now in her career. She's like a fifteen minute grow whereas like me and Bowen together were Katherine being c list firmly, yes, she gets fifteen minutes. Let it be quoted that Matt Roger was called his very good friend and she was huge kidding. I'm just saying I am so thrilled to be Dealist I'm I'm

thrilled to be d as well. If you are C list, you've been on sn L. It's a compliment to be on the list, to be on the on the list, Oh my god. I imagine as kids you were like, I wish I could be on the list anyway. Um, I want to finally ask I forget bow and take it away. Beach j was a man recording a new little um, you know, new little, new little What is it like a pet name? No be stupa beach STI and you say it fast and it sounds like a super Jesse. What was the culture that made you say?

Culture is for me? Ah? The question that you ask. So when I first heard the podcast forever, I knew what I thought. My answer was going, Okay, when did you think there's gonna be to us? Which was it was gonna be this? It was I thought it's gonna be the Simpsons. I was gonna be like, oh, I know, I knew I would say that so and I considered Michael Jordan, but then Brendan's canal said, Michael Jordan, can you that Brendan Snell coming at you with the Chicago

Bulls moment? But then I remembered, Um, so we will tell me if this is too broad and I can get more specific. But I realized the answer is, uh MTV and early and specifically music videos first, my earlier So many of my earliest memories were music videos, and talk about some of the iconic ones that formed you. Sure, so I will tell the one that I think of first is I must have been younger than five, because it's the eighties. Do you know the video for Call

Me Out? The Paul Simon video was him and Chevy Chase. I don't know the video you will really well, I don't know if you like it. It It again, might be straight, but so essentially I like stuff. So here, so they're singing the song, so it's him and Chevy Chevy and they're sitting and then Chevy sings the song as and Paul Simon just sort of sits as yes. So it's like, oh, look at adults being silly. That's fun. So that's that's an early one. But then the memory that I was

like this is exactly what the question is is. I remember one day, Oh, I love this. It's and um, I was home all day. My dad comes home and goes, what did you do today and I go MTV played Michael Jackson's Free Willie video seven times and Janet Jackson's video for um That's Why It Love Goes five times. That was my answer for what I did today was not I don't even it was the cult are you consume? It's it was just sort of like I knew with the culture. I was sort of hop star Jackson culture.

I was. And it's not even like I like Michael Jackson or Janet Jackson particularly that much at the time. It was literally like I was just interested in empty these programming and I feel like that is a thing that was my career for forever, which is sort of like I was always interested in the entertainment industry as an industry. I feel like I always love behind music. I love love behind the music. I just sort of

like that. I was like, oh, someone was like oh, I was like, Michael Jackson is really popular right now, and that is that. I was like, that is the moment. I'm like, this is the thing that is this is the me wow. Because what's interesting is in that moment you were bundling, you were making whatever, like a narrative out of like the culture. You consumed that day. You're like, well, this is the way to sum it up, and here you go, and it was a full day. I was like,

this is what I did. I watched these things and it was like and you kept track and like, I just I remember so distinctly. I do not remember my dad's response. I just sort of like I just be like, this is what I did, and I think and then just thinking about it, I was like, oh, this music video. I was like, oh, I remember the freedom video. Freedom video. I remember the video for um read a Rate Runaway Trained.

You know that song it's It's I can't remember the name of the band, but it was a song about kids being stolen. And I was like six when that song came out, and I was like, this is a very scary video to me. Do you remember all the words to all those songs? No, I have no memory of anything. I mean I was curious because those songs from like when I was like five to ten are in there forever. Like you know that song Janet Jackson

Together Again. That was like such a huge and I remember the video like I just remember that song can come on now. I could sing every single word, like I don't know what it is. Maybe it's because when your brain is not like of chaotic mess like it is now. But like that time of like I just remember watching all those music videos and like soaking up every single word and image, and I remember the Top twenty countdowns, like or I guess that was the VH

one version. I was only allowed to watch VH one. I couldn't watch MTV, but of course they had TRL and like I remember like every single thing, needing to know what was number one? Why were not allowed to watch MTV? Or you're just like sexy? We're like you're like you can watch Jason Mraz. Well that was a little that was like a little bit later. That's actually number seventies seven Jason ras artists. Actually it's of the time. It's New York back back one. Now Tiffany New York

Pollard is the defining artists. I have to talk about what I was just going to say. At that time, it was like like v H one was like, it's funny that my mom was like, you can't watch MTV. It's too sexy, because VH one was also very sexual. It was just some more adult like sensuality. So my ship was like I remember watching like Shania Twain You're

Still the one music video. It was like close ups of her like like um sepia tone, like lips, like singing, and it was just like draped in like a blanket and her like like very manly, sort of not MTV hot but VH one hot love and just kind of slowly walking towards her and like holding her and like they were smelling each other. And I'm like, this is actually sex, whereas MTV is like, wow, that that that's

how that's some forty on that famously sexual. Oh my god, but that song fucking the word abortion in it and just blew everyone's minds at the time. At the time, everyone's minds are the abortion, and you know we haven't gotten better. Um wait, hold on, ray Sonny just pointed out something about remember like just the Surreal Life franchise ending at Megan Wants a Millionaire because because one of the contestants who makes it to the final two or

three murdered his girlfriends. But then like but then that like it had a butterfly fact out, um for something. Hold on, I just um, I need to look this up and then we can come Well, the thing about those contestants is they're not well, um right, but like

and they still do it. But I'm saying, like the there's some something about like the TV landscape now has been directly like was it was a direct result of the surreal life and I love money and like those shows being completely wiped away from those producers that like family of shows were you did you watch Joe Millionaire?

You guys? Yeah? How the fact that that was a sensation is the weirdest part, not only that it was dumb that it existed and also not for nothing, but he was such a dud and the final two girls Zora and I forgot the other one's name is one million our season one they were such dud. Everyone on the show was such a dun And then you were like, I'm rooting for Zora and it's like she was nothing and he was nothing. I mean, he was like only hot.

It's also weird that winning meant losing, winning meant truly like I'll never forget that show was Psycho Dude, do you watch season two? I didn't see, oh Europe because they couldn't have done it again. They did it in Europe where he is this like and I thought he was hotter um they're also they're also but no season two. It's just it's this fucking guy from like Plano, Texas.

He was like a cowboy. I think because they couldn't do it again in America because then people people were like, you know, I saw I assumed it was gonna be European famous. They're like, you know, he's an American brig. They're like, they're like, oh, he's a cowboy, like like it was that he is cowboy and I want to marry rich cowboy. It's montreal m. I want to marry Mary. You know what? What I brought up at work the other day was sucking Mr Personality I hosted by I

Can't Forget, You can't forget. That was that was the one where they wore masks. The men were masks and she could only pick the winner based on who whose personality she liked best. And then afterwards, when they get eliminated, they take the masks off and some of them are hot. Yes, remember I guess some of them right right right right

from the tradition. And Monica was the host and she was like it's hard, right, She was like, it's really hard to do this but this was like two thousand one or two thousand two, like pretty like close proximity to like the fucking Lewinsky. And I can think about that fact that at that point she is not like a celebrity celebrity thrown her hair out, she grown her

hair up. But it's like it's like for her to be like, I guess I'll go back into the spotlight like four years, four or five years after I was humiliated internationally. Well she couldn't get I mean, that's that's the Track's another part of the trag that she has

to do the things that she does to survive. Like I only think now we are a culture already to say like maybe we were full monster Monica Lewinsky, who was a complete victim in every regard and was preyed upon by President William Jefferson Clinton, who, if he has anything to do with this Epstein stuff, should go to prison.

And that should be said me Matt Rogers, Democrats dect mouthpiece political voice who says Bill Clinton should go to prison if he slept with the woman he the young know, the girl he was pictured with on Jeffrey Epstein's private plane, which is a thing looking up what do you at at? What do you remember from the Bill Clinton? I had some like I knew was happening. I remember seeing her on the cover of every magazine with the words like fully,

like whore. I remember like the way that they painted Hillary. I remember very little it actually being about him. I remember it being about women, women, and and the cat fight narrative and the Hillary throws Bill out? Or is Hillary doing the wrong thing by standing by her? Man fuck her? Like none of them could win. Monica Lewinsky's life was ruined at twenty four, and it took a long time for even the most I guess like liberal or woke people to come around and say, hey, we

have to reassess this Monica stuff. And she even is so scarred from it that she says it's the whole feminism thing now is difficult for her because no one had her back. Well, there was in did you listen to slow Burn? Either you? So that there uh to speak upon the feminist opinion of the nineties. They spend an episode on it. I really recommend listening to it because it is the best episode of that season, and

there was a discourse. I think there's like they talked about a roundtable at the Observer that had a lot of feminist people, and there they were talking about it was at a time where they're like, well, she has an agency, we don't want to treat her like she's a victim. This is just what they were saying at the time. This is what at the time. This one thing that was told me from a podcast. I do not want to assert I have an opinion about that, but so U but that that was a narrative that

was very publicly done. And also at the time, Bill was one of the more publicly feminist cause adjacent presidents that we had. He was very hardline on pro choice. He much show like and he would not budge. He budged on famously everything but that he would not And I think that is partly what made it harder. It's easier now from the distance of like, oh, would that

already happen? Um, But also that's because that was the discourse that people wanted to have, because you probably had male editors of newspapers and magazines like, let's find us the feminist who think that Bill Glynn is okay, like, because that's interesting. It's not interesting if there's women who also think that this was terrible and no, now in retrospect, you're like, all of this was fucked and we were

too young to be complicit. But everyone else, well, I think it was an interesting moment because it was like I think some people felt like, we have to go to Hillary side, we have to like and they thought that they were on the right side of it, but then in doing that they were like anti Monica when really what you had was you had a man who

was ruining the lives of everyone around him. And it was just like we weren't at the moment culturally to be able to say, like, no, fuck him, fuck him, fuck him, fuck him because he's a predator, Like like what is that instinct to be protective of? Like, I don't know. At the time, I think it was party politics, and I think it was deep, deep, deep deep sexism. And I think we also it was like a big moment for blow jobs, right, So like for me it was people didn't think it was said for me it was.

It was just sort of like, I mean, I brought blow jobs into the lexicon for sure. I gotta say that taught me what come was? Keeping tell me what come was? I thought, can I say what I thought come was. I thought come was when you got too sexually decided you threw up white I thought that was come from your mouth. From your mouth, I thought when you got too worked up. And then I was just afraid because I hate throwing up. I really like it, just a little pump or two of white stuff. Literally.

Someone said, it's when you get too excited and white stuff comes out of your mouth. This is like fifth grade, fourth grade, fifth grade. That is like logic. That's like a like a comedy writers. You're like writing a kid and then something being like we can beat that. Like that's like a really first thought, stupid fucking thing. It's not for a kid to say, you know what I'm saying. They think com is throwing up. Nah nah, that would

never happen. Um. Wow, getting hot and political up in here. Um. But it's actually is time to do a segment, another segment we have Jesse. You know, well, I don't think so, honey. I can't find this race Sunny tweet. Okay, anyway, Yeah, just going to race Sonny's Twitter fucking gold mine. It's we take one minute to go off on something in culture, and I have a good one. I have got a good one too, But yeah, I will let you go. Uh this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey.

As time starts now, I don't think so honey. People sleeping on real Housewives of Potomac. Housewives of Potomac is up there. The girls are doing their job. Barren Ashley bitch, bitch keep. Karen Hugo is an icon the Grand the Grand Dom. Also, Giselle Bryant is doing things that Waitfield only dreams she could do. You really want to see who the bone collector is. It is just she will come in there and start it up. Also fucking gorgeous, Okay, drama,

that is it? Gay panic? Yes? But am I on board? Absolutely? I do think so, honey. I don't think so honey, gay panic. I do think so honey. The drama going on with Ashley's husband who be sucking dick and be grabbing the asses of cameraman who worked on the show. I love it when it gets meta. Okay gets broken, my god, the pregnant one serving the truth. We love this crazy one, Candice. They're all firing on different cylinders. Beverly Hills is asleep Potomac and that's one minute. Thank

you so much, thank you for that public service. For myself, it's actually real culture number three. I myself, I have not watched it, but I went to school with a lot of people from Potomac, Maryland, and it's a very different perception of what it is than this. It is the franchise. Well, I think this is the season that it's broken through and the big voice and people and the charming thing about it is and it's been this way the whole time is that it's like, um, they're

excessively wealthy. They're poor, like they're poorer than the other house. Interesting, and so they'll do like it'll be like a dinner party, where whereas like it'll be in Beverly Hills would be like in some giant fucking backyard. And the thing is they rely on that because they don't have the real drama, right, So in Potomac, it's like someone's having a dinner party. It's like a fucking townhouse, truly, nothing on the walls,

just like on upholstered chair, like you know. I mean the last episode of Potomac, which was fire, the drama completely happened at like a wooden table. They were having like a barbecue, and I was like, this is it, but this actually isn't. You don't need the set dressing. You do not because they give it to you down and honestly, honestly, it's great. It is so much better than watching whatever the fuck Dorite is wearing and then talking about vander pump dogs for the millionth time. Get out,

Who's who's the young one who just got married? Um? Yes, fucking I mean they're all gorge. Janique the one is pregnant, not the one who just got married. Um she she got in a fight with Giselle. Anyway, she could it be Candice Candice? No, because honestly that it's Candice. Candice is truly a stunning like Helen of Troy Beauty. Well, they're all fucking gorge. First of all, Giselle needs to be a household name Giselle. Giselle Bryant must be a household.

I can't really make the comparison. I don't really watch it Landa that much, but like, I feel like Giselle is doing what Eva wish, Like Gill reminds me a lot of Eva wishes. That's what I'm saying, right, It's actually a real culture number fifty four wishes anyway, thank you for that so much. And one more thing, one more thing. There's a friend of on the show. Her name is Katie. Katie Katie is something else the way I just are. I just want to see these names.

I mean because because because another franchise of another Cities, you get those fucking patrician whatever names Derenda, deret whatever, like, well, don't come for Dorenda. I'm not saying. I'm saying the names are like so like exotic and like wealthy, wealthy, like you know, you've got like a house, you've got Habsburg in your blood or whatever this is. These are

women with average asked names. Katie Ashley fucking care actually is in some hot water too, because I'm sorry, but her husband, it's all I mean, I mean, he's get her husband is get guy, Britty Murphy. Um, thank you so much for that. I got. This is a pubic pobas. What am I gonna do sit here? Because I have a hard time like devoting that much of my media

diet to Bravo. My god, every energy, every ounce of energy that you were spending on Beverly Hills, you gotta just take it honestly, send a message, send Yang, send a message to Andy Cohen. I would say, I'm not down with this. I'm not down with this. I don't I don't really want Beverly Hills. Um uh. Potomac is doing it. Potomac patomic down. Okay, all right? I think I had to do with the city. I'm like, how gonna be good? It's Potomac. Like, it's not d C Atlanta.

It's like it's because they had d C already and they were like, we need to differentiate this Potomac and let's make it mostly black. It's on fire. It's so good. Is there money DC money or they just sort of like they're I think like they some are wealthier than others and they and like, yeah, it's it's it's just that there's not not opulence, but it's not relying on opulation. Chase Arlington whatever, here's Boone yangs. I don't think so, honey.

And this time starts now, I don't think so, honey. Screeners, bitch, screeners that come in the fucking mail. No, I had dump that should. I had to individually take the discs out, recycle those separately, then break down the boxes that came in. Then break down the cases that they would come in. Bitch, Send a fucking link. Who cares if they get shared and passed around. Send a link for the screeners in the future. Do not ever send me a physical screener

ever for anything SAG related, Television Academy related. Bitch, This Emmy season was egregious and all you have destroyed. You've basically caused him with the wildfire. You've basically caused another wildfire, Hollywood for this screener. Culture is listening. I don't see. I don't watch Beverly Hills. I don't I don't care. Um, I wish you Beverly Hills. Yes, okay, screeners, this is just my down't think so many about just doing a link.

Everyone's gonna pass it around anyway. You're not. The industry is not gonna hemorrhage money from you. Giving up these screeners is actually probably gonna make money, honey, because I don't think so many of these screeners. I want to watch it on a computer screen and that's one minute. Are you an Emmy voter? Yes, I had to sign up for the Academy. I had no no, no no, they just they just sent a memo out at work in like February, and you were like, sign up up. Honestly,

let's just do links old people. It's climate change people. Literally only for old people, because young people are the only young people watch all the shows. Old people. You have to shake them to watch anything. But let me get Eric swallwell on on these bitches and set the torch past the torch. Someone has to be nominating Kamitsky method, so Netflix gotta make up physical screener and deliver it by hand. Actually, if you if you try to stream

Kaminski you get eat. Unfortunately, catch through the cast. That was good bo Thanks, I mean I environmentally conscious. I you know, spun my wheels a bit at the end, but thank you. I'm getting back into the groove I've had. I've had a weird journey with I T S H where I'm like, I don't really like the last one I heard. You just told a story at a nice pace. Thank you. Sometimes with Bowen, it's a story. Sometimes sometimes Um, okay, this is Jesse David Foxes. I don't think Wow, this

is Jesse. David Fox has been invited to do I Don't Think so Honey Live many times and he has said, can we can we can we share the thing that you pitched us when we asked you to do a live show and you're like, oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, Jesse. We were like, Jesse, you would be great, Please do it. I don't think so, honey, and he goes, I don't

want to go on. I don't want to perform. How about I get someone another comedian to dress up as me, and you guys call him up and it's clearly like, you know, Joe Flyerstone or someone, and we said, no, it needs to be you, it must be you, and the offer still on the table. Sure, so I was considering you the last one, but it was on passover. The next one is on September one at the Bellhouse in Brooklyn. We'll see how this I guess. We'll see how this one goes. This is Jesse David Foxes. I

don't think so, honey. He's shaking his wrist and its time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Collie Flower, So you signed with Brussel Spouts agent and you think you could be in everything? Why because you're white? I don't believe it's not just that you're white. Is that what's supposedly good about you is that you're white and bland and readily available. Your every male character in Big Little Eyes Season two take that, but but but but

operhaps cauliflower pizza. Yeah, oper isn't eating that ship. Opera only starts selling cauliflower pizza because support people's own thing left that makes her feel lived silently, I'd rather be dead than eat a cauliflower crust. Fried rice has been around to the fucking Swede dynasty. Are really supposed to believe that fried right would beat wouldn't meet the exacting standards of emperor when oh pan during Sure they're still an egonant, but you do not want to know where

it's been. Oh look, I get it. It's hard living in broccoli shadow just getting the boy. She turns down. But this is not your time, Glenn cost You will never be broccoli just because you look like broccoli, and black and white cauliflower is broccoli and Pleasantville before Joana Owen masturbates in the bath, col broccoli for people have never come. And I don't think so, honey, for people who have never come, that is real Coachure number eight.

Coliflower is broccoli for people who have never come and thank you for bringing rice and the and you were hinting at the appropriation of the culture. So it's like, you will never be glamoured, you will never be roily, you will never being considered my culture. That made me think culture was broccoli. Broccoli was like, this is the thing that I like, and I want broccoli everywhere. That well, I think all kids have a relationship with broccoli. That's rocky.

But he but he's dressed, he saying he loved I will say, actually, we're supposed to unpack that. But we talked about Monica instead. I had that on my list. Here broccoli, it said broccoli. Fifteen minutes we ran and we did Monica. But I want to if you have Celiaca, I apologizing. Can do whatever you want. I don't. I can eat whatever I like, you know, every now and then. I do like a little a cauliflower grain grain, grained rice, cauliflower.

But it's very controversial. The grain can unity. Yeah, I go to grain. Twitter is gonna really come for you, green Twitter, and I will be a legend of grain Twitter. You will, you will really huge. A huge thing right now was buffalo cauliflower. Buffalo cauliflower. You can see it. And what do you think it is? A buffalo fan? I think absolutely absolutely, Ali fucking yeah. You just like the sauce anything, Doustin hot sauces anything, It's nothing. It

literally is califollowers there to feel like space in your mouth. Yeah, because you can't drink sauce. No, well, disgree, I don't even believe it. You definitely can drink suffing. And on that, on that thought, it might be time to wrap up this episode of Loss Cultures doesn't. But here's the thing, Jesse David Fox, this was so fun, this was I think this was a very superlative episode. I would even say I think I think we really like we all

sounded very smart. Well, and there's nothing smarter to then we all sound very smart. Yeah, that's what smart people say smart right now. Of course, the tea was spilled, culture was revealed, culture new and old. We talked about things as current as real hostives of Potomac and as relics of the past as the Sway Dynasty, and of course, right in between those two things was the Lewins. And

now we close every episode of this song. But is there anything that you would want to say to the fans, to the listeners, to the readers, UM, thank you so much for listening to this whole thing. I love so much. I love you truly. I was like, I want to do this so I can hang out with you guys. And this was fun, and you can. We're all gonna hang out together again in August fifteen, which is Podma has a comedy show again at the Bellhouse, and you should, of course listen to the good but no sooner. We

won't hang on any sooner until then. UM, I know just what to say, Nethering, what different? Okay? Do it? Do it? New Yorky, Netherel, Why aren't you do? Because I'm going to come in? I don't even I don't know the words, Mamory Mary? Can I can I say another one that I thought we were going to sing? Now? Can? Bosses on the fun answers shut up? Pat Carroll The original la Oh. This has been a Forever Dog production executive produced by Brett Bahum, Joe Cilio, and Alex Ramsey.

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