"The Zombies Ensue" (w/ Peppermint)

I know what you're gonna say. We were talking on them on one of our little group chats, our GCS, and then we're talking about how this Sean Conley guy, this doctor is a fool um, and how all these all these doctors who are somehow thirty two years old who are attending to the president are like thirty two year old men. And sorry from erasing any women or or or non binding your people who are on that staff.

Thank you for apologizing. Thank you. I just I don't care to really pay attention to who is treating him, but I brought up how silly they are. And then my friend Matt Rodgers said, clown parade, clown brigade, clown parade clown brigade, when I look at everyone stomping out of that Walter Read hospital with their little prompts in hand, doing the work of Dr Doom himself. I say, clown parade, clown brigade. I don't trust anyone that comes out of

there and says a goddamn thing. And how come they're trying to like convince us all of a sudden that this is the way that this disease works. It's not the way that this virus works where it's just like he's better and going home. That is not how it fucking works. And I really hope that no one is successfully gas lit by this, because, to be honest with you, the whole thing is fucking crazy. I'm almost hesitant to even comment on it because it could change any shame

jing it's changing very quickly. I don't, I don't, I don't care to comment on either. I just want to comment. I just want to provide context for clown parade, clown brigade, for clown parade, clown brigade. Which is so funny because you texted the words clown parade, clown brigade, and I laughed, and then you sent a voice message and the reading of it is so excellent. Here, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Wait can I can I actually pull up the original audio? Oh my god, you love it, love it so much.

It's so it's it had me in tears. Okay, here, here we go, Here we go. Ready, clown parade, clown brigade. Well that is how it said. For anyone at home that wants to sort of refer to a bunch of people as a clown clown parade, clown brigade, that's how you do it. We should just say, let's get a little paradeae. It's it's it's so funny because you're saying it's redundant. You're saying this clown parade basically means clown brigade,

but you so vaddic about. I feel the brigade is sort of a more intentional version of a parade, you know what I mean, Like a brigade is intentional, a parade is. It takes a lot of organizing. Not to not anyone and call any parade organizers out there unintentional. I'd hate to call the girls unintentional. But what I'm saying is, let's just give a little context. So while we've been gone y'all, the president has gotten COVID, which

is so insane. It would be the easiest thing in the world for the president and his handlers to protect him and the people around him from COVID nineteen. But as we know, they're the most careless people in the world. We thought just about all of America apparently about themselves as well, and now a whole fleet of them have the coronavirus. So that's what's happening. And he went to the hospital reports where he was not doing well. Now the doctors have come out and said, actually, he is

doing well. He wasn't doing well. We lied to you about that, but now we're saying he is doing well. And believe us. Now, I guess because and let's have him stand outside the White House. I mean, this is just literally minutes ago. Stand outside the White House, John just looking gasping for he can barely breathe. He took

his mask off, like what a fucking idiot. Yeah, at time of recording, he has stood outside of the White House after getting back from Alter Read and he's like waving to his adoring public and he's really looks like he can't breathe, and um, Matt Matt and I. I would say that you and I keep it pretty like untainted discourse on the pot. We don't really bring him up explicitly that much because we're not like you know, we're not like that Cheetoh gaze. And also you know

how you know where we stand. So it's of course, but like this is truly like beyond the piale. It's anyway. But I look, we're we're we're off, we're off the rails already. But I just wanted to again provide contacts to bring light to clown parade glound breach. Well, I don't just want to say something. The reason why such a clown parade clown bargade is because what it does is it takes focus away from what's important this week. Okay,

so it takes place away. And right now I'm holding up the meaning of Mariah Carry, which is the highly anticipated book by the one true Queen Maria, and it's taken a lot of focus away from my girl's big week. And I have to say that she seems happier than ever.

She seems very satisfied with the way the book has come out and the way it's being received, and she should I am well into the audio book right now, which I'm reading, which I'm listening to rather while i'm reading it, which gives an amazing sort of full immersion. You're studying abroad in Mariah Lands. So let me tell you. I've I'm spreading, spending the fall studying Maria, and we can say that next week we are going to have a culture catch up, and this culture catch up is

gonna be a little bit different. We are having the meaning of Mariah Carey book. So everyone out there who has not yet picked up the book, or who has picked up the book but is sort of leisurely reading it, understand next week we're gonna be doing a close read a discussion on the book, and so tune in for that. And I'm telling stream and stream the rarities, which is great, I mean, it's so fantastic and also what I'm having so much fun doing. And we'll talk about this morn

next week. But it's it's truly I mean, her life is harrowing, but her year early years are truly truly crazy. The marriage to Tommy Motola is something no one could ever understand and so like, so please read the book and then right now I'm on the Glitter chapters, which are something else, and I'm also as I'm reading the book, I'm sort of revisiting the music, and God, I have to say, carry is the culture that made me say

culture was from me? I mean so yes, because it was the first time I ever remember, really remember connecting with someone in the music. And I honestly to hear her tell the specific stories behind a lot of these songs and she sings in the audio book. She thinks these things throughout the audio book, and she is and excellent readings of the audio books. She's so funny. She it's so in her voice, and you know, it's just

I can't say enough. So if you haven't gotten the book, get the damn book and join us next week for the Culture catch up. That is the meaning of Mariah Carey Book Club, which I'm so excited for, so excited for you know who, you know who else I'm excited for. Our guests are guests who's by the way, sort of giving the week to do right now because I'll tell you exactly what she did when she came on the zoom and wait and she did it again on the visual she I think you can sort of hear the

wind blowing. It's because our guest is sort of, you know, taking a cue from Mariah and having the wind blow her locks around, and it is truly stunning. I think the most beautiful person that's appeared in a zoom with with us, and we've had some stunners. She takes this the perlative fortunately, and we celebrate that most likely to show up beat for the zoom, beat for the zoom. And you know she's she's giving people the visual and she's she's she's on Twitch talking movies with all your

favorite people. Um so check check out her Twitch streams on the regular PEP talks with our guests, with our guests. God,

she's just a legend. She's just huge. She's a legend, musician, New York City nightlife icon, drag legend and runner up on RuPaul's Drag Race Season nine, incredible, incredible contestant on that as as well as being just an incredible performer, musician, icon, you know, truly a trailblazer here, first openly trans woman to ever originate a lead role on Broadway, which was head over Heels, and you know, we're actually catching her in quite the world one week because the new single

is out. The new single is called Best Sex, and we're into the new single. And of course, you know, usually when you release a single, there's usually a larger body of work coming out, and that is no different in this situation. We have a Girl like Me Letters to My Lover's coming out this month October six, two thousand twenty. Mama, I have to ask so many questions about this because not only is Best Sex on it, but she's got a cover of will You Still Love

Me Tomorrow? I need to talk about this because I read this in her Quarantine diaries when she was shooting the visual. It's a visual album. Hell yeah, so Girl Like Me it's gonna be It's it's visual. So she she talks a little bit about will You Still Love Me Tomorrow? I mean, what an iconic song. We need to talk to her about this. Anything else to add? Man? I mean, this is a long time coming. This is a long time coming. And I think that we are honored,

privileged and so gid day, not just giddy. We are good day, good day to have our fucking guest welcome her into your ears. The magnificent Happer. That's my energy and Honestly, I all I wanted to do with scream how are you? I am fabulous, Thank you, Matt and bowing. I'm so happy to be here. You're right, it's been a long time coming, I say, like more than a year. We have been trying to make this manag happen. And the manage is managing after all. After all, we have

to congratulate miss Nikki on the newborn. Oh yes, baby, there's a little petty in the world. And she has a son. Finally is my son's But she has a real one, actually has she actually has. This bitch is literally her son. It's actually a real culture number nineteen. This is literally literally Do you identify as a barbed peppermint? No? Wait, I'm sorry, I know what that means. Oh, barb is like what Nicky calls her fans. Definitely not. But I'm now,

is there anyone's um nickname fan? I'm a friend. Now. Do I know all the words to her music? Yes, but I don't read what she says to call her fans a barb and so but you you you enjoy her music, you're fans, So I definitely enjoy her music. Okay, And this is actually a really important distinction that Pepperman is giving us, because being a fan of somebody does not necessarily mean you. I mean, there is a fine line between fanning and standing and being part of the culture.

I really enjoy her music, I enjoy her. What I enjoy equally or maybe more, is her contribution to hip hop and rap and where it traveled to UH in the early two thousand's and two. Now, I see her as a very valuable sort of brick in the hip hop wall. I wouldn't say that I would call myself a bar It's really it's really difficult for me because I actually identify as both a barb and a lamb um. So it's it's hard. Now it's hard to be a hardcore fan of Nikki and Mariah because we unfortunately because

American Idol, there's some tension. There's some tension like they're gonna let American Idol girl. Obviously I obviously not. I still identify as being in both, yes, but but I'm just saying it's hard when your girls won't even speak of each other in interviews. It's I also love j Lo and Mariah. Whenever she's asked about j Los famously

says for words, I don't know her. Well, the thing is, the up on my Face video was like the one moment that we will always have of Maria, and that's sort of like having fun together on camera, you know, like that can't there's there's a certain degree of that that can be faked. But they genuine I was. I

watched it the other day. I was like, I didn't seen this video in so long, and they're both having a blast and like there was a moment there it's like wicked, like where they were really genuinely like friends, you know. Um, but anyway, but you know that they took they took Nicki Minajes verse of upout my Face when you stream when you stream that album, that that Mariah album. Yeah it's not on Memoirs of an Imperfect Angel. Well the song is, but the nick nick is gone.

I think that Mariah felt burned by that because she actually was like, here's the thing about Maria, And you find this out in the book. Do you love Maria? Obviously you love Maria. Yeah, so you find out in the book that she is number one with having her finger on the pulse, like she was like that girl in the early nineties that was singing these big ballads, but knew deep in her soul. She was like, hip hop is going to become mainstream. I'm telling you, I'm

telling you. And she was like the first she was trying to tell Tommy Motola that and he just didn't understand hip hop at all, and like told her she was stupid and like, it was obviously low key pretty racist because he's like older white man in the music and the hip hop feature on on the R and B song on Like she she she for sure revolutionized that, but you know, it's it's it's the Nicki Mariah of

it all. Is interesting because Mariah brought Nicky onto that track that was pretty early on and the Nikki of it all, and she was like, and she even said in an interview later during American Idol, She's like, you know, it's actually funny because it's funny I have all this beef with her, or it's sad that I have all this speef with her because I actually know she's really gifted. That's why I had her on my song in the

first place. That's why all this sucks. She probably thought she was in the clear because at that moment in time, Nikki was beefing with Kim. Yeah, and you know, yeah she thought first, surely we can't have more than one beef going in one Yeah, I mean the amount of energy it takes watch her spin these plates. Okay, sporting artist, I want to talk about different reporting artist. I want

to talk about peper Man. You love the single best Sex and the lyric video is very sexy, sensual and if you like really do a close reading of the lyrics, it's like very vulnerable and very real, authentic. Thank you. Yeah, it's like my life, you know, um I had. I mean, look, long story short, I was in a really intense relationship.

Uh that uh he was popping, let me tell you become because we met in the at least for me, in the most unlikely of places to meet a partner that we were going to be with long term, that I was gonna be a long term We met online, you know, in a hook up app, and I was like, you know, let me. I was living in San Francisco and I was all by my lonesome. I was preparing for head over heels on Broadway, and we, uh we did this out of town run there and I didn't

know anybody. And so I was like, let me get on this damn app see who I can get come over and show me a little company tonight and here, and he was giving me all kinds of excuse is he was running late. He was late because he was getting a raccoon from him for his neighbor out of the yard or some crazy name. Yeah, but that's how I got to say, a man, you can get a racoon the neighbor. Come on, I don't believe I mean, I'm from the New obviously, So I'm like, honey, there's

no rap. Where's raccoon? A rat? I believe it a raccoon? Nobody, there's no He shot from the moon there with the raccoon. Yeah. And so anyway, he came over and it was like the best hook up ever and then we were we got into relationship and everything, and then he broke my heart. Uh, but it started with that hook up. And best sex is actually not about him. It's about all the other

funk boys, yeah, find their way into your boudoir. But his best sex about his best sex inspired by this one lover who was giving you the best sex but also kind of jerking you around emotionally. Just those two ideas rive intersecting. It's representing all the fun boys of the world. Honestly, it's so crazy. Yeah, I'm listening to the song and I'm like, yeah, the ship that I've let people get away with because they were they knew exactly what to do too, and with my body, it's

really shocking. And the fact of the matter is I will do it again in fact, like you knows, yeah, right exactly during the quarantine. You gotta do what you gotta do. And also it's like, you know, all of us are missing that that goodness. Okay, this is when I want to ask you, Peppermint. It feels like it feels like we all take at least maybe this is just me saying that I might have taken for green

in the past. How Writing like a sensual song about like that's very vulnerable in this way about sex is very difficult. It's like you kind of have like it has to be sourced from some thing true, and it's like, oh, and like you have to like sort of cross all these like path through all these filters in your mind to be like, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna like prepended paper and write about like me at my most literal naked self. Boring self or not boring. I don't know,

I said boring, vulnerable self. I don't know why I said boring, Oh my god, because every book together bones bones, obviously unfortunately sadly projecting, I hope not. I know. I don't know why I said boring. I don't know why I said boring. I meant to say vulnerable. They they might sound the same, but I was thinking about this. I was after after listening to Best Sex, I was like, it's so hard to write on on like a like a writer early yeah, you know, I mean I wanted

to do. What I tried to do is do something that would be obviously sexy and that's not that hard to like achieve that bar but they And also I wanted it to be a little funny. It's funny. I wanted there to be a little bit of like chuckle in it, right, but I really wanted it to be I didn't want it to be like, oh, you're so hot, daddy, and that's it, like I'm done with that, Like let's talk about all your flaws. And the song is really

a read, you know what I mean? And that's what I wanted it to be UM because all this stuff is true, like all this stuff that that we've all been through UM. And I think it's definitely in terms of how it fits into the rest of the album. Yes, I met my ex who the most of this album is about on online, on a hook up app on a hook up. It was a jump off. But even beyond that, it's these are all of the songs and this are things that a lot of other trans women

through and we don't have the opportunity. Really, I don't. I can't find anything else in pop culture that really UM in terms of music, that really shows and talks about a trans woman's experience, and so I wanted this is all this stuff that me and my girlfriends cackle about all the time. You know, I remember the line of the song you don't want to be seen with me? That must be something that gets that unfortunately, is dealt

with a lot. Yeah. Oh yeah, I mean it's it's unfortunately it's probably the rule, not the exception, at least in my experience and a lot of the girls I've talked to, And I also wanted to talk about, I mean, the most difficult line in the whole song to do and we thought. Me and my co writer Adam Joseph were like, should we do it? Can we do this?

We can't do this? No was, um, you don't know your status, and then you asked me if I'm clean, and then we decided to obviously put it in there because it's it's real and it happens and a lot of the guys. I mean, I don't can't speak for everybody queer, but I think everybody in the l g B, t q A plus probably or at least many people have probably had some interaction with people who have been

quote closeted or not out. But I think that toxic behavior is really prevalent for the girls, for the trans girls, um, because of the way our culture is, and so you know, these guys will come around for the goodies, but they are not involved in like all the other stuff that happens in queer life, and that's then then it's dangerous for us. Yeah. I also think like there that line.

To me, I was really happy that you put that in there too, and that was really the one that made me like I was like, oh wow, this this is like it's it's like a sexy, fun and funny song, but like it's exploring something really real, because I also think amongst like just gay men, there's like an assumption where it's like, oh, I'm fine, I'm clean, I'm doing

what I'm supposed to do. But when they're interacting sexually with a trans person, there's that little microaggression where it's like, we'll make sure that they're clean and make sure that this is going on, which is also like it's just semantic, well but just even interesting. Clean is just like right, yeah, yeah, exactly, but that but that interaction is so interesting in that line in that lyric where it's like I it's like the the complete otis and the responsibilities completely on me

for both of us. I have to be the one who's getting my health taken care of and getting tested, and as long as you know my status then you don't have to worry. That's generally what it is. And you know, there have been lots of guys who've asked me. You know that question they asked me, and you know,

which is good. I'm happy to talk about it. But then they won't even know the answer if I turned around and asked them, well, when did you get tested or have you been tested, like or whatever, and yeah, the terms of the question are flawed and funked up on on on their end, right, And it's like iline support clean. I don't. I don't use the word are you clean when talking about S T I S and getting But that's the question that they asked. Yes, you're

you're quoting them, it's to quote. But it's like it also implies something to listed about having sex with trans women where it's dirty. Yeah, right, but as if they're not engaging in that, it's yeah exactly. It's like there's so many funked up layers there and anyway, it's just such a clean, quick, efficient comment and I love that lyric. Yes, the lyrics are great. And I also another one was like when you were like I never know when you're going to roll through, I was like, see, that would

kriss me off. You know. In fact, I recently had an interact. Yeah, I recently had an interaction on Grinder that ended with Okay, I'll come over. And this is after a lot of discussion about like COVID, having COVID tested whatever, done done. This is like a couple of couple of day things and so then at the end of it. He's like, I'll be over in twenty minutes. He says, twenty minutes. It's it's it's a little bit

after one in the morning. And I'm like, alright, cool and so yeah, and mind you, mind you he's six six feet away, so I happened to look out. I was like, oh, hot, guy I'm interested in is six hundred feet away? Says twenty minutes. It's one o'clock. It's this is what it is, bing bang boom, Like this actually was, I'll be honest with you. It was the night that we found out that Trump was sick. I was like, I gotta celebrate here. Are you already prepare?

I don't know your situation, but do you did you need to prepare? He was taking the twenty minutes to prepare, So yeah, you got so um but which I'm happy to provide for us, Like take your time. I even said take your time. So forty minutes later, forty minutes later, he says, okay, I'm gonna leave now, and I was like, okay, all right, And then so another forty five minutes goes by and he goes He goes is your apartment hard

to get into? Now? Mind you it's well after two, and I thought this is I thought we would be done by then, to be honest with you, because not for nothing, but I was ready over an hour ago. Eventually, I just said, you know what you said twenty minutes, it's been an hour and fifteen. I'm done, And I bought the person no, because I don't know what took him so long. You know why he took so long. He didn't have man escaped products like the ball Towner

and the ball our ads. Really gee, really, he's not speaking an ad copy um something that might that might be sort of telling on myself because I feel like I haven't we haven't we been been on the other side of of these interactions. Well apparently you have because you started this this thought. And I caught myself as I was about to ask it, but I was like, I might as well ask it in sort of have

the asterisk theater. It's like, well, maybe I'm maybe I'm alone because I feel like I've disengaged emotionally enough times with certain people now are like, Okay, I'm not interested. I'll be real. I have and see but it's not my fault. Okay, let me tell you why it's never my fault. I because of the fun boys that I talked to. I'll okay, this is, this is, this is, this is a lot. Let's go give it. You got

your hand up. Sometimes you have to align up if you if you are the one who takes the time to prepare, that's right, which is why you're encounter Matt. I'm like, what but if I take the time to prepare and I make a decision about who I'm going to connect with, I'm going to that person's house and I'm gonna be on down to the cloth. I know

how long it takes to prepare. Anyway, if I'm gonna prepare, I have been flaked on by other folks, Okay, whatever the tops, I've been flaked on by them all the time, and they're just going from flower to flower to flower, and so I have been flaked on. And so sometimes you have to be like, well, bit, if I'm going to spend all this time getting ready, then then somebody's coming. Then I'm getting this together. I've done just because I was ready. What you'll what you'll do to yourself just

because you prepared yet been there? And so then every once in a while, the flake will be two hours, Like you'd be like, why don't he lost his time? And yeah, get the next one, and then the next and then the first one, like I'm here, that's happened. Wow, that's very good. Actually, Like when when you're like in the mid when you're in the midst of interaction, someone

else is at the door. Yeah, well like telling you online, telling you oh I'm here, I'm on the way or whatever, and you're like, oh my god, oh no, and so I have disengaged at that in those situations, but that person was two hours late. Yeah, whatever, you know. I just don't understand what is what is with people on Grinder who are like or any app. Let's let's broaden it to every app, and let's just say this. I'm not coming for the everyder I have, I have friends

that work there. I'm not coming for the app. I'm coming for the behavior and I'm not coming honestly. So so this is a sidebar, but I was in New York for a little bit recently and I went on the app and I think someone thought I was cat fishing as as me, but it was me, So I got I got I got taken off of there for terms of service, and I had my friend Patrick rein state.

But also it was just weird. So it's weird the people, the way people can just report you and like and then you're going, and then you're gone, and it was like you're you're you can't do it at all. Thank God I knew someone there, and you gotta send them. You's got to send them a photo with a piece of paper that says Matt Rodgers, Yeah this is me? Is that? Is that what you can do to get your account back? It's happened to It's happened to Bowen,

It's happened to me him. But what was I gonna say? Anyway, I'm sorry I'm saying it's not just people Grinder, it's everyone. But what's with people like texting so sparsely. It's like like on the app, it's like people will say one thing and then there's like nothing. I just feel like no one's talkative on the app. There's no like radical communication. So all of a sudden when they're there two hours later, it's like, why didn't you tell me you were under way?

Like when I'm texting someone, I'm going, yeah, I'm leaving in the car. That's communication. You're right, Well, that's obviously because they're talking to people at once and they can't keep there. Yeah, yeah, you're dicking their pants. And I think they want to. I think they want to seem sexy too. They want to seem like cool and sexy or like like they don't want to do too much,

and so it's like very sparse communications. That really angers me because I have been in a situation where I've had lined up arranged number one who kind of seemingly flaked, then arranged number two who did flake, and then number one comes through all late, and then I'm like, now I'm just angry, and I'm like, I'm like not into it. And I've had myself and encounters before where I'm like, I just wish you would leave, like necessarily. But that's what I'm looking at you like, and it's not good.

Why am I doing Because even when you just said it just now, I was like, I was like, oh, that's that's perfect, And that's the only way you can communicate that is I mean, well we should all do it from now and just be like I think you should go, you should go, You're late, You're I feel disrespected, and here I am and then it's like they're like then they're the most talkative like hook up, or they're like demanding or like there's a kink that comes into

play that wasn't what we were like arranging or talking about or agreeing to. It was not on the table prior, no darkling. And the thing too, is like what's so funny about this too, is like we feel like we can't be like, okay, now leave just like straight up, but we've literally invited them over to like eat our ass, you know what I mean. It's like who Takora is like, it's like, come over, let's be filthy, let's have penetrat of anal sex. And now afterwards, I'm like a little

shy about asking me here. Everyone so bashful after the fact the community is spun out. I want to I want to ask something. It's there's a there's there's a there's a there's an icky layer to it. But I think the three of us can all contribute something. How much? How much? How much? Like how much? Because you're talking about kings, how much fame kink is like layered in there for you at this point? You know what, it's only half okay, First of all, let me tell you this. Um,

that's it. Okay, there is a thing. I mean, it's it's probably the same as any other kind of starfucker kind of fetish, same thing. Um, but there is uh something that I learned about a year after being on drag Race. Uh. And they're called um race. They're called race, which is the name of yeah yeah, but um that's what they're called. And so I was like, what are

you talking about? And I thought I was completely protected because most of the men who are um interested in me or girls like me identify as hetero and are not necessarily drag Race fans to the point where they would be looking for drag Race people you know, um and recognize us, you know, like online or on Tender or Grinder or whatever. And and so I thought the girls would always be talking about Uh he came over.

He was so hot and then he you know, was trying to get an autograph and all of this stuff, and like, oh god yeah. And then so I was like, oh, thank gosh, the like the guys who are into me are are like actually into women all the time. Um. And so one day I was I was like in the mood, and I was like let me get online, and uh, I was near drag con um l a near the Convention Center, and so I signed on and there was somebody not that far and we were talking and YadA, YadA, YadA, and he was it was all

lining up. I was like, okay, this is gonna be. Where was this outside the Grammy's Museum? What where was this? It was? It was center, it was by Staples Center exactly. It my Staples Center and I was I was staying. I don't know where I was staying downtown, so I don't know. Kay. So so it's it's getting lined up. It's all happening. It's getting lined up. It's all happening.

Everything's lovely. Pictures are looking good. I I don't remember if I sent If I send this really sexy picture, I won't send a face picture right like I usually send one or the other first. Um, and so I don't I think I didn't send my face picture. I don't remember what I said. I sent something, but it was all coming through and I was like, this is great. And then he starts asking questions that are unusual and

he's like, so how long you in town for? And I was like, I don't remember saying I was, as I say, over the weekend and he's like, oh, um, what are you in town for? And I usually keep questions like that in general, and I was like, a convention, that's all you need to know? What what? What's that have to do with? Then? And then he was like were you were you mad? Sasha beat you? Yeah, precisely. Then he was like um. Then he was like, well, what booth are you at or something? And then he's

like peppermint pepper and I was like, oh god. And so obviously I was like, oh, oh no, I just got a stomach cake. I got to go, you know, like he I didn't invite him over, and that was a very close call because yeah, it's just yeah, so it hasn't happened, Thank goodness. Um, most of the guys who I've hooked up with or even dated had no idea who I am. That's so interesting, that's incredibly interesting.

I want to ask what difference would it make if post coitus the guys like, by the way, huge fan, like you know, like does that okay for you? Okay? It did happen once with a Frenchman. He lives in Paris. I'm filling his tea hardy, I don't give you, but I still like him. We're still friends. His name is Max and he lives in Paris. That's all okay, great and whatever he we did, we we hooked up and they were laying down and having our little pillow talk and and he was and he knew who I was.

Don't remember ex factly what he said. I don't remember that like damning phrase that. I was like, huh, you know um, but he did and he knew who I was, And I was like what in that? I was like, how did this even happen? You don't seem like I

was like, are you gay? I don't know, um, and not that only gay guys and lots of straight folks watch Drag Race, especially especially like honestly like your season on I feel like was your season was like the one where it became like major yeah and so and so that was interesting and and he's the aw I can't say the only person, but he's one of the only people that I've hooked up with that I'm still in contact with that I would hook up with again, who also follows me on um social media and we

communicate on social media and like on Tinder and all the you know, and I'm like, okay, and and my ex boyfriend, my ex boyfriend who I don't know if he follows me now because I don't know what he's doing to San Francisco, San Francisco. He he didn't know who I was. He had heard of Drag Race and I told him I was. I was like, you know what. The conversation and the sex was so good. It was, honestly, up to that point, the best hook up I had ever had ever, not just the sets, but the the

whole like pillow talk, the cuddling. He was like, it was just adorable. And I was like, whoa, what is going on here? It was clearly the beginning of a relationship, all right. And so I was like, let me just be honest because usually I'm like, I'm a DJ at working bars and I traveled for a living and that's all you need to know. Um. And he I was like, you know what, look I do drag. My name is Peppermint.

I'm get I'm here rehearsaling for a Broadway show and YadA YadA, And he was like what And then he looked the next day he left, and then then he had looked me up on Wikipedia and was like, oh my god. But it hadn't phased them, you know, and so that was nice. That was like transparency though it was, and it's deserving. It's going to be difficult for me to have a relationship, I think, without being transparent from the beginning. It is difficult because it really does you understand.

It's like if you like meet somebody who you know doesn't know you, and in the first few minutes you tell them who exactly where you are and who you are.

And for me, drag race Um being a drag race queen is really unusual type of like notoriety or recognition because in the norm, in the pre COVID world, it automatically gave them access to my social media, which had my calendar, my travel calendar attached, which meant, this is where I'll be on this night, this is where I live, this is where I am, you know, and and they can access us in a way that you can't access Beyonce, you know what I mean, of course, But that was

is that is that intense for you? Well, for me, it's like the barrier of entry is like pretty high for me anywhere I'm just like I don't want to, like like I gotta I gotta like pick them pretty carefully in the first place. And then it's like and then it's just like, um, I find out like generally in the meeting whether or not, whether or not it's like, oh, hey,

I know you, and I'm like, okay, great. But then like at that point, I'm already like I don't know if it's bad, make too late, right, But it's at that point it's like, well, I've already already like past the mustard test or drill or whatever for me. Now it's like it's fine, Um, but I don't know. I don't know sometimes honestly, and this is the fucked up thing that I'll admit. Sometimes it's like sometimes it makes me feel good. Sometimes I'm like, cool, you know my deal.

I don't have to tell you anything. I don't have to like think of the wording of oh yeah I work in um yeah, I work in I work in TV, like you know, which even that has like a weird like ring to it. So I don't know. Sometimes it is just kind of convenient that person will just like

know it all. I feel like if someone were to say they knew who I was it would be a rap because for me, it's like, then what you're gonna do is tell people tell, And I feel like what what's never happened to me will be hard because usually with me, if people know who I am on on an app, they usually are just like love the pot or someone did ask me to show them my hot dog recently, um, which was that's which was one way to say it. I hoped the show I hope to

show on HBO Max called hot Dog coverment. Um, so so that's why they said that. Um, but I was like l O L. But I feel like it's it's weirdly a thing that's like, oh, I don't know now if you're actually doing this because you want to come over me, and now this could be a thing where it's like you want to go tell x y Z that you fucked someone who was whose podcast you know or some The telltale sign is if they asked for a selfie right after you had sexed, honey, it has happened.

It happened to me once and we didn't even have sex because moving backwards, because he was not attracted to women, but he wanted to get into my hotel room and I'm like, I thought we were going to hook up, and it's just like awkwards, you know. Um it was in like South America, like columb not Columbia. We did not go to Colombia. We went to Peru. It's probably

Peru or anyway somewhere in South America. And in South America, like they are like they will do anything for that rutpose for probably I don't know what, but to get into Rupo's rags and so like, yeah, it was. It was bizarre. We didn't hook up, and he wanted a selfie and I was like, okay, but just go. But this is weird. And now you're in my hotel room. Yeah, and that is so crazy. What a waste of your time? Oh what a waste of several kings. Oh my god,

I just want to say that that. Yeah, you're right, Matt, Like I what gives me chill, what gives me nightmares is thinking about like the Brune conversation or you know, like the Well, then if it gives you nightmares, then you need to change your current thinking about it because it kind of gets your rocks off. So you might need to be more careful. Bouten Yang. Don't hook up with these holes that just say who you are, because

guess what, there's a lot of them. Well anyway, So so um A Girl like Me Letters to My Lovers is the theme of the piece that you're speaking to people that you've experienced in the past, and this is it is it like, it's not like every song is for a certain one. It's just kind of like these are for the for the boys. This is for the boys. Yeah, it's all for the girls. Remember that Bett Miller movie for the Voice. It's also for the girls, the trans

girls who um, who experienced such tom foolery. But it's not just tom foolery. It's one part reality and there's a little bit of fantasy involved and just kind of making it not only speaking about the realities of what I've gone through, basically taking my diary and setting it to music, but then also kind of built musically presenting songs that that I would have wanted to hear if as a young trans girl growing up. Um. And so that's what the album is and the whole um it's

a trilogy. The relationship that I was in was in lasted a year and we have obviously had our ups and downs, and the crash and burned. Um. But the one song basically turned into five songs, which is an EP, and then we're like, I kept writing and then it was suddenly fifteen songs. Well, so it's three EPs with interludes, which makes an albums um oh, and we're going to release them over the course of a year because the relationship last. I love that. That's amazing, that's so thoughtful.

I really I can't say enough about the song. I was listening to it and I was also reading the lyrics, so I was also doing a close read and I was like, you know, the emotional honesty of the lyrics and also, to be honest with you, sonically the way it sounds. And I'm not saying that's just because I am in moray Land, but it kind of was giving me her you know what I mean. And I do

mean as a as a major compliment. Registers down well, right, but you know, we do what we can tell a register, a register nonetheless, a register nonetheless, a register nonetheless, a registered nonetheless. But it's lovely and I think it's great and I'm really excited for the rest of it. I can't I can't wait to hear it on October six. Thank you. We are going to take just the quickest break and return with Peppermint. And asked Peppermint the damn question,

and we're back with Peppermint. So Peppermint here on Lost culturesis what we do is we ask each and every one of our guests the same question, which is what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? But when you want to break that down, Peppermint, this is the culture that you took in in your development culturally, whatever that means to you, but it's set you on a cultural path. It's something that you saw red Herd and then it kind of lit up something in you.

I mean, there's a couple of pieces. Give us all the pieces, give us, give us, give us all the pieces. The one of the earliest pieces, I would have to say that I had full control. I mean, I'm sure there was lots of stuff that influenced me as a little queer kid. But the one kind of thing that I was like, this is for me, and I am going with this and it's going to change my life. Is um Willy Wonka in the chocolate factory with Gene Hackman. I wanted so desperately, Uh, did I say, Jeane Hackman.

But the thing is like it would have been great. Gene Hackman would have been fabulous. He really probably wouldn't have. But yes, Gene Walder, we can't. We can't take we can't take Willie Walker away from Gene Wilder. So I had to we can't, we can't. We can't a little a little aggressive Willie walk up WILLI wa, Yeah, that would have been different, a valid but with Gene Wilder.

And I desperately wanted to be Violet Beauregard, the girl that took into a blueberry and and I spent I can't tell you how many times I rehearsed that, and when my mom would leave, I would go and dress as Violet. And then when when I this is how I knew was culturally relevant to me, because then later

when I had some power to produce something. As a young kid, I would try to enlist all the other kids and force them to participate in my fantasy of Willy Wanta in the chocolate factory, and you're gonna be such and such, and you're gonna be you know, Veruca Salton, whoever you're gonna be um, and I would stuff my clothes with pillows and roll around on the floor like a blueberry and I was living my fantasy. That's the first one, and then the next one is definitely the

entire Janet album from Janet Jaccent Album's. Okay, those are two excellent, excellent pieces. Okay, let's start with Miss Willie. Miss Willie, I think, do you know what I just thought? It has that same like fantasy, that that seem like element of like pure cinematical magic that is only beat out by the Wizard of Oz to me, Like, you're right, what You're right, you know, it's it's got the it's

got it's just like it's the same thing. It's it's kind of the I feel like it's an echo of Wizard of Oz in a way where it's like it's just like you're watching as a kid, and it's just so beautiful and colorful and fun and like you've never seen anything like it up until that point, and like that is such a that's that's such an important movie.

It really is. It's pure imagination for me that that song is absolutely I mean I remember and also every singer, every like real singer, like find a way to sneak it into their set list to like Audrew McDonald doesn't beautiful cover of it, Oh you must see. It's in a concert of hers, probably from about a decade ago actually, and I heard Adam Levine do it one time from five and I heard, I believe Josh Grobin does a

gorgeous version of it. It's really one of the of songs that is so it's it's for people like who really want that escape. I do think that it's it's sort of what attached to a bonus saying to that was that's the element that I wanted to bring an escape, Yes, keep going sorry, Yes, well, it's that it's that other world.

And I think it's that that it's that station that you want to belong to so badly, and it does it does sort of give that message at the end of the day of the man behind the curtain is not who you think, which I think is a timeless narrative and such a such a important story, and I think that weirdly enough, like of course people from all across the world identified with those narratives, but it's such

a queer narrative. And you hear RuPaul talk odd nauseum about um a wizard of Oz, but it is it's almost like we know at a certain point even in our development, that there is going to come a time where the man behind the curtain is going to become like a thing, like the sheen of everything is not actual happiness, Like the knowledge is the power, you know what I mean? I think that movie is. I love that you brought that up. It's so important. Yeah, it really also, I mean and just like on a on

a more basic level, if I dare, um, it really did. Uh. It was really touching to me to see the way that Gene Wilder played Willy Wonka was so tender, even though he was like bizarre and the characters like wacky

and kind of sky. It's like our movie part of it, Um, that he played Willy Wonka so tender, and Charlie was so poor and was so like good and loving, and it like when the first time I saw it, I was like, this is terrible, Like this Charlie is not getting anything and and he's been kids are dying, Yeah,

they start dying, Like what's happening? Um and Charlie And then obviously to spoiler alert in the original version, he gives the place to Charlie um, and I just thought that was just like such a wonderful thing, and you know, growing up as a little poor kid, I was like, oh, yes, yes, I mean the thing is too Like you mentioned, like it's a horror movie. That is so true too, because on paper, on paper, it's a it's about a creepy man who wants kids to come to his big house.

He allows them to bring their guardians who sell their children out, and they all come and he puts them through a series of tests where he feeds them things, and uh, they willingly take it, despite not knowing where this comes from or drugs them or whatever it is, and one by one they all suffer intense maladies that would, ordinarily, if this wasn't a novel turned into a film, lead to sure death. And you don't really know at the end of the movie what happens to the other kids.

You sort of see that they're just like physically changed for what seems to me forever. But it's really kind of dark and weird, and like it's dark. Yeah, it's it is, like it's in a way, it's sort of like Wizard of Oz on acid. Yeah, especially when they go through that tunnel and he's like playing that flute and you know, the they're like, you know and that it's like a boat that goes through the tunnel and the original version and they're like a trip in out

and they're like screaming. It's like a thereman, like a thereman is or something. Yeah, I'm curious. I'm curious why Violet for you? Though? What was it about Violet beau regard she was? She seemed like a little New Yorker and I don't know what, not that I was in love with the city of New York at that age, but I was in love with that kind of attitude. It's very spunky and and um and I love blueberries and I just thought it was so cool that she would like turn into a big old blueberry. I just

thought it was the fiercest thing ever. And she was a redhead and the actress was a redhead in the show. Yeah, well, who are who are you? Boone? Who do you identify with? I am probably I guess in the Mike TV. I don't know you are, but not really. I want to say I'm a Verruca, but Verruca is like I think maybe you're I want today, I want tomorrow. I want to now, or you'll scream or I'll scream, and I

might know. I'm Augustus, Gloube, I'm Augustus. I don't want to see I don't want what happens to Augusta's to happen to you. Because the boy drowned and because he can't, because he can't help but drink the chocolate. I'm like girl, the self control. It's the lack of self control for me. It's the lack of self control for me. But okay, on the subject of horror movies, because I do agree that this is a horror movie. Oh, Han says, bone

is obviously Charlie, No, that's not true. Honestly, Charlie, No, I'm not. No, I don't accept. I reject Peppermint. I feel like you are a connoisseurs of movies, of horror movies. So what what are you? What are your top give your top three? I was gonna say three horror. That's so difficult. Uh, well, I have a I'm a okay, so my top three horror movies are. You have to know that my genre of choice is zombie or sickness. Um, and so my top three horror movies might, but overall

here's my top three. The The my favorite horror movie is Return of the Living Dead from George A. Romero. This is the eighties kind of comedy, UM zombie horror UM where the kids go into the graveyard and you know what happens, Yes, the zombies and the sue these zombies. And also a front runner for the title about yes. Uh, my next favorite, I'd say just because of the impact, the cultural impact, UM and where it came I guess

for me, and the age was the Conjuring. UM. You know, if I watch it back now, I'm kind of okay. But the fact that they were able to because what I really appreciate now is what horror movies can do, um,

given the limitations or whatever they have or what you know. UM. And so in in in a moment in time where we had just come out off of a lot of like saul and hostile and like torture porn, which are not my favorite, UM, the Conjuring was very reserved and so they're what It's not very gory, it's more of a suspense, but it is scary. It was scary as hell.

I saw it in theater. UM. And so the Conjuring Number two, uh, my third favorite, and um, I it's not because I liked this movie, but it's scared the hell out of me so much that I just respected. But I will never see it again. I respect it probably more than I respect any other horror movie because I will watch a horror movie at any time of day or night. I will never see this movie again. It shook you too greatly. It shook me. It made me think things that I never want to even think again.

It scared me to the core. It is hereditary. I knew you were going to say hereditary. I knew because I felt that I had the same response for days. I was like, I'm I've never thought about these images in my life, and what would it look like? What would it look like from my mom to to do like yeah, because because the scene where the next morning she wakes up and like sees what's in the car

that scream she lets it. I was just like, I'm literally I've never I've never seen it because I cannot bring myself see I mean, I can't do it, but I don't see this. You know that that one like that and from what everyone says about Midsomar too, Like it seems like those on modern like in terms of like what modern horror films like are experimenting with, and it seems like this guy is experimenting with like I'm

not interested in. But just even hearing you say that Tony Collette's performance, um like I was ready for her to be nominated for an Oscar just people the way she should have been. She should have been. But like it's it's like even you saying that that was a thing, I just had full body chills, you know what. I was like, not excited about what. You know, you know what I'm talking about, right, Matt, Yes, I know you

know what happened. I read. I read synopsis. I I read, like detailed synopsis of all these movies, the whole movie. The biggest turn I have ever taken in a movie. Yeah. But the movie that I was really excited about coming out this year. Culturally, I wasn't going to see it because, um, I can't sit through them, I'll have a panic attack. But I was excited for it was the remake of Candy Man because when I was a young kid, that the part of the trailer, part of the trailers, Yeah,

that was iconic. That was iconic trailer moment. I literally will not say the name of the film again because I fear saying it a third time. But when I was little, I went over for a sleepover to my cousin's house and we were watching the movie Candy Man and the Original, and I can't describe to you how scarred I was hearing the voice, like that voice was so sexy to me. Oh my god, you are built different. I've never seen it. Oh it's not good. Okay, So

that's what I hear. For me as a kid. It was fucking scared, and so it was being it was being remade this year. I believe Jordan Pill was producing it, and I don't know what happened to that. Well, what happened was the coronavirus just pushed it to next year. So they didn't want they didn't want, they didn't want it to not have its do and so they're watching

it the next year. But basically it's actually like, really, if you really read about it and really watch it, like and experience it for more than it just scaring the ship about you, It's actually about race relations and it's actually like it's it's actually kind of applicable to the cultural the cultural conversation right now. And so that's why I was excited about it coming out, because it seems like it was being like remade in the image

of this time. Yes, yeah, so I was excited, and that's fair and that's where I do and I respect that it didn't It didn't land for me as a kid or whenever. I don't know, I was obviously a kid. Um, Yeah, it didn't land for me for some reason. So I was just like not understanding. I was like, girl, just then, just don't say his name. That's true, it is on

the blot hole. Well, that's like, That's what I love about Scream, is it like it plays with the idea that people are doing stupid ship like you know what I mean, Like so many of these movies like and obviously Scream is like a horror comedy classic and consciously doing that. But I was like, finally, like when I watched it again recently because it is it is a

horror movie that I'll watch. Um, I was like, that is so cool that they decided to really flip this genre on its head and even in doing that, created a classic store the genre. And now it's getting a fifth, So it's like a new did you not know? Oh yeah, we all back, nevs back and he's back, David is back. Yeah, okay, Pet, she's grabbing the she's grabbing her for her surroundings. I would imagine you're a scream you're a scream fan. I'm a screen fan. I've seen every single one of them.

I think they're fantastic. My favorite and scariest scene and scream gosh, was it Screen three with um whatever one Parker post he was in, Yes, She's three and three where they're in and out of the house. I don't know if you probably didn't see it then, um or

did you see the whole? Did you see screams? I've seen because I can deal with screams of them when they're getting the script and the right and the scare and the killer is writing the script as they're experiencing it, and they're reading the script to figure out who's going to get killed, and they're going in. They sharp the lights and they're in the house, and then they go to out the house, and then they go back in and then that's so that part is so suspenseful and

so good. Those are they really are so good. I okay, let's talk about Janet, because Janet Jane, you don't tell me nothing. Well, I actually think so. So the Janet album correct me if I'm wrong. This was really a huge album for her because this was when she really started to own her sexuality. No, yes, they're real. Now they're real, start of it for a Okay, let's talk about this on Control. I mean, first of all, she

has a sexy song on every album. That's normal, like everybody has sex, and so she has sex song on every album. On Control, which is the album before the Rhythm Nation, her sexy song, her sexy Nasty, but it was um, some day is tonight, which is basically kind of like any time any place, which was on the

Janet album. It's like, let's do it, We've been waiting for because she had let's wait awhile and then some day is tonight, like let's wait for someday when we'll do it, and then tonight when the has been conversations, Hello honey, um. And so she had that, but she never had like a whole project, right, and those were always like the deep cuts and so the moment in time which she credits her sexuality Awakening was the filming

of Poetic Justice. Yeah, they came out the same year. Um, but we already to see a little bit of her belly button at the end of Rhythm Nation, which was not very sexy. The album was not very sex She was all buttoned up and she had you know, it was more like militant. Yeah. Yeah, but uh love will Never Do Without You was her sexiest video up to

date up to that point. Um. And then she right after that, she because she she released that Would Never Do Without You, and then went and filmed Poetic Justice, and then a couple of a couple of years later it came out. Um, and so that so, yes, she's very sexy for for the Janet album and was grabbing crotches and having her tips grabbed on the album cover. She was like, forget my belly button, let's show you

some titties. Um. And it was on the Rolling Stones cover, which was like like like it was like he was a different person. Yes. So this this is the album that has all these interludes throughout it, which all the best very mastered. The interlude on that album, Yeah, she did this felt like the cohesive sex project. It's so right. Yeah, for sure, and that's it's um, it's that's what we love goes. And if or no, wait, what's what's what's on that? That's where if anytime any place. Yes, yes,

I'm looking at it. Okay, uh, yes, that's where it goes. Yes, that's the way I love goes. That's where it goes. That was the first single, which was it was like, it's obviously it's like a really mellow song, and that was um j Loo. We mentioned Jaylor earlier. Jayla was originally supposed to be one of her backup dancers UM and it was like Janet had always um debuted a single like a big dance song. This time she debuted just her. It was like filmed in a in a house,

just her and the kids, her dancers sitting around. It was very chill. It's very different. Your your your your favorite Janet album, my favorite Janet Experience album, the videos,

the concert that's amazing. Yeah. And it's also it's funny because by the time I Carol became aware of Janet UM, she already was like a sex icon, you know, like because because this came out of ninety three, so it's like throughout pretty much the rest of the nineties, sexuality was like pretty much synonymous with Janet Jackson because Matt, you and I came in around like for for me, like our age, like we came in around all for You.

I would say, no, my my first, my first real Janet moment was there about us when okay, so that was my Janet moment. And then All for You was her like sort of mainstream moment, right, and then she was in the fucking clumps and she gave it. I know, you know, fact, what's going on here? What happened to

that belly button girl? Yeah? I know. But it was nice for me to work backwards from All for You, which is very like poppy, mainstream whatever, but then to go like but then like college, I got in my timeline as all messed up with Janna. But college was control and controls like the Jana album. I know, it's

so strong. It's strong principle, it's one of the principles. Ever, Like just when the movie Hustler started and the very first line is this is a story about control, it was like already was like this movie already gets it on such a deep level. Yeah, the music was another character in the show. Yes, in the movie. Yes it was.

It really got it. And like, you know, not to detour too much, but speaking of j Lo, like her idea to have Criminal by Fiona Apple be that song that she's stripped to genius like and honestly Jayla saying just Jlo playing gimme more and going this is my this is not song that I think Hustlers is an underrated movie and I think it should have gotten It

should have gotten Oscar you know, did it. I mean, there was a little bit of us in the very beginning, There was a little bit of buzz in the very beginning, but those performances, the story, I just everything about it was such a brilliant movie. And I think people, I imagine that people probably kind of sold it short just because of who was in it, the women that were in it, well and and then and then it was women.

And I think the fact of the matter is if that film is directed by a man, or it's even or if there's even more men in it, or if it's about men in any small way more, I think it warrants more consideration on their part. But the fact that good twelve Ocean thirteen, oh my god, there's too many and I think I think the fact that the director was a young woman and it's starred two women of color, people people honestly like it just didn't get the respect that it deserved. And I hear people kind

of pick apart like it's narrative. It's like, you know the way the screenplay works, and I'm like, y'all know that you're just trying to find ways to justify it not getting its due, and there is no justification. That was one of the movies. It was one of the movies that really good movie. I do want to observe

something and point out something back to Janet. I feel like this is not to make a too full circle, but I feel like I don't think Janet fans have like a name, Like there's no like pet fandom stand name for Janet? Are they not rhythm nation? I guess

the Rhythm nation that's collective, right, Yes, that's right. Um. I feel like, and this is just what's informing Peppermin being like, I'm not gonna like stand anybody the way that the kids are these days because I come from a time when, um not that it's like dating you like so crazily, but it's like you coming from a time when like you just really like enjoyed someone's experience and you didn't have to like assign yourself an id don't need to it. You could just like come in

and absorb it, you know. Yeah, and that's and and maybe I definitely think that has to do with me, my my bracket. Um yeah, for sure, for sure. I've just googled it. And she does not have a like fan group. Yeah, yeah, I think that's classy. I think that's nice. We don't have to name it. We're a Janet Jackson fan. Yeah yeah, Okay. This, by the way, this, this Wikipedia page that I'm on claims that Kelly Clarkson's fans are called Calabrities, and I can confirm with two

that that is not true. Um, I don't identify as a Calabrity. It's just two. It gets like tacky. It's just this too. I mean, I know it's supposed to be cute and not take it up too seriously, but it is kind of like no, you know, because if you're the person and you hate that, like you know, and also you can't change it. Like Ariona's fan forever are called aria Naders, and she's got to live with

that when she's forward. That is so stupid. Depending on how you pronounced that, it's so unfortunate in a Oh Jesus, I didn't even hear that. I've heard it, and that sucks. That's as kitty cats. Is that what Katie's fans are? Hers are the Katie Cats here. Here's just a few. Little Monster has not aged well as a Gaga fan myself. I feel like little Monster. I think Little Monster adds, I mean, holds up more than most. I mean none, none of them are as good as a Elia Banks's

count brigade. Um. Of course, we have the bee Hive, which I think it's not fair. I mean, look, I'm not gonna say anything about the bee Hive, but I have a little bit of confusion be because I'm the only person I heard talking about that was a little can little cam. Yeah. She she even says like, I'm the Queen Bee. I'm the real queen. I don't know who this other queen Bee is saying she is, but I mean, yeah, and then we have what do we have here? We have got let's see, obviously the Rihanna Navy,

which I do like. I like navy, but it's a lot of colms like Mishandlings. It's like there it was one person's job to come up with this, whether it was on the person's team or outside in the fandom. But it's like the wholesale adoption of this amongst everything. You gotta call you. It's like the R Now you get a name. You gotta get a name. It's so gimmicky. This says that Mariah Carey's Lambs are often credited as being the first fandom name. I don't think that's true.

I think it was the be Hive. Well, you need to you need to send an email to Wikipedia then and right, Oh honey, I've had sent emails to Wikipedia Dark trust me, Darling and esctially rule culture number one and three. Sometimes you have to send it darling, and You're not easy. I don't have a Wikipedia page. I don't know what I have to do. I didn't know that I had when either I was uh, you know,

googling myself as one does. And um, it was probably around the time I just got on drag Race and I realized that there was a Wikipedia page for me, and it had a lot of personal information and I just ignored it. I'm like, and then a year or so later, like a year ago whatever. Um. I was like, okay, this information is wrong. They keep running wrong information. And

it wasn't like age and stuff like that. Like I'm like, okay, fine, you know, but they were like putting my dead name and putting also putting my like quote unquote real name, my government name, which actually wasn't even accurate, and and and but what ended up having long story short, is someone put it on Wikipedia at the same time that somebody printed it in a magazine and a magazine I would say which, And so then it became what is

known as circular reporting. I never heard of this, and they so they each each uh um outlet was crediting the other as the original source. The magazine was saying they got from Wikipedia. Wikipedia was saying they got it from the magazine. And I'm like, one of y'all can't be you can't both be right, um, And I was so I told I basically told the magazine was like

look and every other magazine. I went through every single story that had my name in it and said, I need you to take out either my dead name or do not print my this other name. None of this information is correct. Take it down and they many of them did. Only one of them refused because they were

like the original one. And then Wikipedia refused and it had They have like levels of um because you know, anyone can edit Wikipedia, but they have levels of like wizardry where different people can you know, be their grand not the grand Wizard, but the grand Wizard of Wikipedia. A front runner from title of Unfortunately the arianators are running it. No no, oh my god, hell anyway, so they can? I luncher short. I posted to my to like people, to my followers, I was like, can someone

please help me? I know one y'all knows how to edit this Wikipedia. Can somebody please do it? And so someone did and like a teenager was like, hey, I'll help. And they had like levels one access and they change

it and then it just kept going up the run. Uh. Then the next person who had level the next level access changed it back, and then the next person that level the next level, and it went all the way up until someone at the like level seventy five access was like, I'm deleting all of you be gone and they and they're like, I'm changing it all back, and it all went back to the original shadiness and I was like, this is not right. And I was like, there's no forum. I was like, this is my information.

I know what my name is, and this is not it. And they were not having it. They're like, sorry, it's out there, it's been published. It's as far as we're concerned, it's real. And I was like, oh no, because they say their principle is that if a rep if any outlet or which is a flawed but they're like, if a reputable, if it's printed, it must be true. That's what Wikipedia is philosophy is. So the way that they justify something being on a Wikipedia pages, they they source

it like a bibliography exactly. So if anyone else, if you get it from a source, if you get it from a source, that source obviously did their their they're due diligence. So we can trust our sources, but you can't trust all of your sources at the end of the day. That is like I mean, in that moment, that is like inaccurate and and also just plainly transphobic. If they're why am I not a source? Why don't

I count as a source? Right? So okay, So I've always wondered how it fucking works, Like did you did you guys just like go on one day and all of a sudden, you had a Wikipedia all of a sudden one day, all of a sudden, and this is this is no, we're near the same level of distressing. But but my Wikipedia, for whatever reason, says I majored in microbiology and college and not chemistry. And I keeping like, where the fund did they get that from? And I'm sure,

I'm sure, pepper Man, I'm sure. It's like a circular reporting thing where it's like one publication printed it and then now it's being even though I even though I can be like ha ha l o, l um, if you're gonna beg for my money every three fucking months, you can at least take my word for it that I'm not. I'm not. I wasn't a microbiology major. You know. It's so that's so that that is really upset. It's

the worst, and they don't want to list them. But finally one of them told me, look, this is what you gotta do. You gotta get on and you have to make a public declaration. And so I got on there on Twitter and I made a public declaration. This is my name. If you call me anything other than that you are being disrespectful. I do not want to be dead named. It's transphobic to use my old name. And then my name is what I tell you it is.

End of story. And then they said that that would work, and it actually was the I guess, the catalyst for them to open the conversation again amongst the committee. And then they had one of these people told me who It's like they have a culture at Wikipedia. Who came who? Who came to my social media? It was like, girl, they are having a conference about your name and whether to redo your thing. They're having a whole forum about it. And I'm not able to contribute because I'm I'm just

level two, but I'm able to witness it. And and this is what's going down, and they're blah blah blah. And I was like, well, is anyone fighting for me? And there and they're like, yeah, somebody is. And eventually it won. I mean like I was a court case. Yeah, it's crazy. It's like you have to win to be who called who you are. And then also it's like, I'm I haven't looked, but is it like I would imagine that. It's like it won't allow it to just

be like, and Peppermint's name is Peppermint. It's like December nineteen or two thousand seventeen, Peppermint declared that her name is Actually this is just like that basically, Yeah, the bureaucratic like nonsense of all that is so so stupid. I mean, but listen, you want you beat the Grand Wizard and we love that. The only reason, the only reason I want one is because I feel like every time someone googles me, there's so there's like eight other

Matt Rogers is. I like, literally, if you google me, it's some pictures of me and some pictures of an American Idol contestant from season two, and it's like, also who also like hosts a show about like I don't know, trucks or something because he's straight, and I'm just like, I'd like everyone to know that I'm not this person. So I guess that's the only reason why I want one. Probably, oh yeah, whatever, it's gonna be like personal life, and it's gonna be one of those things where it's like

gay period. Look, if anyone's listening is if anyone listening as a teenager on level one, let us know, let's get the Matt Rodgers Wikipedia page and started with this sort of I don't think so honey, energy We're gonna take a quick break and return with I don't think so honey, and we are bad all right, So here we are. It's I don't think so honey. On this the episode of Last Culturist that is featuring the one

the Only Peppermint. So this is our segment that we do bow and on I and our guests where we take sixty seconds to rail against something in culture that's just absolutely killing us in a way where we can no longer contain ourselves and it has to be brought down. So um, I do have a topic bow that was okay, sort of came up, came up today, oh okay, and it arose in my mind today as a result of my uh hobby might not hobbies, my errands errands that I was running. You had told me, okay, So this

is Matt Rodgers is I don't think so honey. As time starts now, I don't think so honey. Credit card culture, I don't know what the funk I'm doing When I go into Chase and they're like, you need to get a new credit card. Maximums minimums. I don't know what the fun this is. I don't know what a one to one point thing is. I don't know what points on a credit card are. I don't know when when I should be using my credit card, when I should

be using my TapIt card. To be honest with you, this is just a part of my culture that I just don't think, so, honey, I don't know anything about it. I was never taught how to use one. What's the deal? All of a sudden, these dudates sneak up on you and they're like your pastor too. It's like, what do I have to put this on my Google cow? Mychol calls already full. I don't think so that there's enough space for it. How the funk am I supposed to know that? Like I'm it's time for Like, oh, so

how do you how do you build credit? I don't know, so, honey. I just I got I wanted to get a better credit card, and I want to get the Chase sapp fire. I said, so let's close out my Chase Freedom. They said, no, we can't close out the Chase Freedom. It's not time. Do I know why? I don't think, so, honey, and that's one minute. I find myself completely confused as to

the world of credit cards. And that's designed I got. Yeah. Yeah, the only thing you're supposed to know about credit cards is that you're supposed to use it to buy things. That's the only thing they want you to know. Yeah, this is this is how you build good credit. Um, you use it to buy things. Literally, and like the magic number, you only you only use that a third of your credit line. Okay, but you you keep it

at that and you're not you pay on time. And also, um, the longer you have a credit card, the better credit you build. This is what I want I understand how to use a credit I'm sort of leaning into it. I don't think of money, but I will say one thing is like when they show you the perks on the bonuses, I'm always like, what does any of this ship mean? Like what, like, how does it relate to anything? I just I feel like it's unclear and never has

been explained to me. And when I tell bank people, I literally will be like, you need to explain this, like you're talking to an idiot, because you are, and they're like, okay, cool nine percent, And I'm like what is percents. What is all we need to? I mean, I'm gonna do an assignment for you and me. We need to, we need to. Actually, I think it's time for us to start and points culture whoa yeah, yeah, yeah,

what what say it again? For the point guy? You don't follow him Darling Lavish Okay, he's he's this gay man who knows all about credit cards and I feel like he can walk. He can walk you through it if even pass credit cards. Now it's it's membership clubs. It's he does. Really he It's not just that he. I mean, well, I guess it depends on the program that he's using for the credit card, because he really knows how to use those perks. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

And I just need someone to navigate for me how I can because I don't want to hear. And I know it's true, Like I know that I'm not using whatever system I'm involved in right now the correct way or the way that's like causing me the most benefits. And that bothers me, like like when as long as the banks are making money, then none of us are.

Well exactly, I mean that that's the thing is, it's like, I know that it doesn't matter to them, but it's like, if I'm gonna be involved in this system of credit cards, which is like already I roll and I know the banks are taking advantage of advantage of us at every turn, I'd at least like to get what I can get out of it. And if you're telling me I can get a free flight, I should know how exactly that's

the true. That's the truth, honestly, Matt, get like the get the Jet Blue master card and then you just get like miles or something. Yeah, but you know what you can do that. I'm a Delta girl. I think we should get into Points sky um and maybe we'll get him on the show. Would be an iconic guest. Maybe I don't. I don't really know his deal. Okay, great, I do know that he's gay. He's gay. I love that I've got one. I've got one. That's good that you have one. I'll tell you. What I don't have

is my phone on me. It's all the way over there. So do you myself? Not at all? Okay, all right, this is Bowen yangs. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey, fifty eight degrees and Sonny, what the hell am I supposed to do? Am I wearing a shore and a long sleeve? Culture

It's it's gonna be hot outside. It's it's gonna feel like the fifty eight degrees, But then the sun's gonna feel like it's beaming down onto my skin and it's gonna I'm gonna feel like I'm burning up down there or just and down, and by down there, I mean down everywhere on the body. It's just today was very

confusing for me walking around outside. I do love I tend to love fall weathers there, it's this liminal space where I'm not really We're not given the tools to know what to do when it's fifty eight degrees and sunny. It's like, what do you wear? It's like credit cards, where it's it's by design. We're not supposed to know what to do, what our recourses. So am I wearing long pants and a T shirt or Amy wearing a sweater and shorts? I don't know. There is no right answer,

but there is no wrong answer. But that leaves me in the five secretory of choice. I don't know what to do. I don't know where to go. Fifty eight degrees and sunny your purgatory, and that's one minute. I have to say you said that to the wrong person, because I'm I would die for fifty degrees and right now I'm in l a where it's too fucking hot. Were in the midst of our ninth heat wave of the year, and it's just like, oh my god, fifty degrees and sunny. That is a gorgeous deal. I love

that you were. You are the New York You got too used to you got too used to l A there, Bowen. I know, I know you're right, You're right here. You can't because guess what, Bowen. Let me let me give you two Let me give you and I don't think so you were sitting I was sitting in Los Angeles, captives in Los Angeles for as as I have been from many projects, and uh, but what I was when I was from drag Race and all we had was TV.

We didn't have phone, your sequestion all about it, And so I was watching the same TV and I got to know, as one does, the local news team that would come on every day every morning, and homegirl the weather I can't remember her name now, because I wiped it out of my memory. The local weather lady on ABC in Los Angeles, don't remember her name. I thought I was going crazy. I don't know any because all I had I don't know her. I had a window.

I was looking out the window and I'm like, damn, this damn thing is the same weather every single day. And then I turned on the thing and the woman on the thing they no lie, They're like, okay, things And now to weather home girl gets on there and she says, it's basically a carbon copy of yesterday, and well that's iconic, and I'm like what. I'm like, I knew it, and so I can't with l A. I'm sorry. I love you all, everyone, I love everyone, but the weather.

I don't want to be in a place where it's the same weather every day for the rest of my life. It's Groundhog Day. What's going on? You like? What? No? You know what? I will say this during during like I'm gonna say, December to March, you get a good moment because especially like last February, it was raining every day and I was loving it. Was it was sort of like you know, like like a like a like a mid sixties moment with like a and it would

get a little rainy. And I love that, Nelle, because it's also dry and it's worried about the humidity dolling and so that's kind of like something that was my Mariah slipping in like hit. But I just I can't describe how easy it must be the fucking weather girl of Los Angeles, the easiest job in It must be the easiest. She was like, it's basic. She was so over it, and I was like, whoa she's like and then she walked off. If that was her report, I love it. And you can't say she's not doing a

good job. We're talking about her. We're talking about her. You have you have a doodle? My google talk. I thought you were saying like a labord porg. Oh no, this is a pork this is this actually is my I've seen it's from It's actually from the last Yeah. A lot of the girls out there now are getting a little baby Yoda dolls. But I have a little pork um and he actually makes a sound. Would you like to talk to him? Hold on? Yeah, it's cute. It's like a bird thing. It's like a bird, mammal

bird with for very cute, very cute. Okay, wait, Peppermint, Okay, we didn't time you on that one, but you would you like to know that's not my that's not my. I don't think so. I just wanted to make sure it was just an I don't think so, honey. Addition, this is the real thing. This is the real thing. I just wanted to make sure, and I knew that Peppermint knew the rules. I wanted to make sure. Okay,

this is Peppermints. I don't think so, honey, and her time starts now in the age of COVID, when everyone is locked in their house, and especially in the beginning when nobody was leaving their apartments, I do not think so. To the people whoever is hacking up the food and putting the condiments in the bag, the condiments and the utensils and the flatwear, I do not want to be sitting in a hotel room with no fork and not enough ketchup or too much catch up because I got eggs.

Nothing is right. I don't eat ketchup by my egg And if I'm getting some Chinese food, I want more than one packet of soy sauce. Houly I'm getting want. Don't give me one packet and it do do not ever send the bag to go and not put a fork and a straw and a spoon and a knife. Nobody and already holding their own fork. You need to go ahead and get your stuff together. You need to quit your job. I don't think so. Wow, I have to tell you something. This is exactly what I don't think,

so honey. It's all about. It's it's negotiating with the culture right now. You are dead ass. Every time I order from Panda Expressed, they don't even put soy sauce in the bag every single time. And I'm like, not for nothing, but y'all weren't the gourmet Chinese option, so you put soy sauce in the bag. I'm sorry, you're not. You're not a steakhouse where it's it's it's rude. Let's research, mama. Lets you know in there, girl, I know they have what do you know? They have a whole back room

all of the stuff. You can't be giving a girl one you have a really giving it away. What do you what do you need all of it? What are you hoarding it? That's the thing I was like, I almost took their side in the beginning. I was like, you know, maybe they feel as though, like so many orders are going out, we can't be giving away all our supplies. It's like it is it is so ridiculous to give no fork, no knife, No, it is so crazy. Thank you for saying that. Thank you for saying that.

And I know, I know we're not supposed to like root for like putting utensils in the bag necessarily because it's like, oh, is it bad for the environment, But sometimes sometimes you need there's no way around it. And no, there's no Sometimes every time you get food, every time you get food, you need utensils and what unless we're getting like what are we getting that hand? What do you order? That's okay? Pizza, okay, pizza. Do not give

me a fork with pizza, No, that's it. But with tiny food good I have a fork on that one. I need some bamboo fork on that one. Gonna fork on a knife on the You can't send food. You have to assume that you want to. You do not want to send your food out and have people be like, well I can't eat this because I can't don't have what I need. Give them everything they need. Can you imagine?

And for someone like you who was often in hotels, it's like, hello, I now I carry a fork and a knife and asprome But why should you have to do that? Why do I? But that's ridiculous. It's more ridiculous for me to have to carry I will say, she froze, but the way she froze was like someone's like a photo of it. This is the gorgeous I mean, stunning. Um, I'm sure we'll get her back. You are okay, Honestly, it's because you have so many appliances running over there.

You got that, Yeah, but oh my god, you are goddamnit our dead on Wow. I have to say this has been obvious. Emotional about that. Yeah, just truly. The computer was you brought us there with you. Yeah, this has been such a fun episode. I have to say, I'm so exciting talking to you and finally getting you here. And we're so thrilled for our girl like Me. Letters to my Lover's coming out in October sixteen, two thousand twenty, y'all, it's gonna help hopefully uh improved this year a little bit.

Um And the single is Best Sex and it's out right now, and I do want to. I know Bowen mentioned it earlier the show Pep Talk next our first I'm not sure when this air is, but our first premier, our premier guests were Alaska and Bob and our brand new show. And the second week we have miss Kole whoa guests. Yeah, we gotta get we gotta get sle on this pod we've had We've had Alaska and Bob and now the legendary Pep. But we were sort of

making our way through the dragon girls like those. We are race chasers first and foremost, Peppermint, this was fantastic. We love you so much, thank you for coming on my pleasure. I'm so happy to finally be here with both of you. Well, you'll have to come back soon. And you know Bowen, Yes, we always close out with the song, and I think that we should close out with a song that sort of alludes to what's happening

next week. Yes, and I do you can read I was gonna say, it's just when that song is about Derek Jeter's come anyway by