"The Omarosa Fan Club" (w/ Ayo Edebiri)

doubted Donald, anyone who ever disagrees. We really just played it and I can't even quote it back. Okay, Hi guys, Wow, Well, our guests just came into the room and we just Matt insisted on keeping this episode topical and releasing it on this very day. Well, because listen, you've got Matt has so much to say about omar Rossa. Because and here's here's the truth. Matt texting me today out of nowhere saying it's insane that all this omar Rosa should is going down and that the view is on a break.

I think it's the biggest tragedy, The biggest tragedy of the whole situation is the fact that I can't hear Megan McCain say that she doesn't care about it. I can't hear Sonny Hostin's take. She's a lawyer. She's a lawyer, so she knows this world. Look, all I'm saying is they say that Madonna is the queen of reinvention. No bitch's new man, formerly stalwart, formerly stalwart. No, she's amar Rosa. Has never once reinvented herself. She's always been the same

fucking person. She is a political shark. She is a reality TV um huntress. We have to bring her. She is a minister. Honey. Oh yes, but I remember, do you remember the moment you saw her on The Apprentice? Yes, Like, I, along with the rest of the nation, was just like, who the fuck is this? And were you obsessed? I

was obsessed. I was obsessed even in the the first graphics package when they went through all the contestants and then she's just walking around d C. Like I even worked at the White House, Like I'm talking about how she worked for Bill Clinton and she I was like, Oh, this this woman is she is one to watch. She just wanted to watch, and then she became the person

we know today. All I'm saying is don't ever forget about when the piece of plaster header on the head, and don't ever forget when On Celebrity Apprentice, she kept accusing Pierce Morgan of being closet. It is so ridiculous. Yes, let's bring in the you know, they're both like pro Trump will I don't know, maybe they've flipped every now and well. Anyway, we have to bring in our guests. Yes, Oh my god, I'm so excited. This is a guest

that I think we first saw. We were at the same show, coming at a club coming and we first saw this guest and I was like, oh, no, you must I was like, this person, I just I literally went up to Matt after she went up and did her set, where she performed her her version of the Cup song, where she took out a color purple cup and made made Dwayne Perkins tap out the cup song

so that she could sing her it's it's store. I might even well, I don't want to per on spot, but I just need to hear it again before I die. So if you want to hear things like that, you can go yes to the show. She has a monthly show at Vital joint. Next one is August and Bad Taste. Um she I think is so freaking funny, truly, like, what a revelation to see her. You may even remember her performance on our I Don't Think So Honey stage where she ended her I don't Think So honey in

a little jingle and a little jink. You remember she goes I don't Think So, And it was iconic. It was amazing. You know, the stage press is off the charts, and the vocalista within was truly unleashed that night. And everyone whoever doubted I, who never disagreed, has to bow down. It is the most ultimate revenge to become I never I do think so? So, I mean, how does it? Because this is this is a pretty historic episode already for us, because we've never started the episode with anything

other than I've it is. I cannot even begin to sort of get into the amount of blessing that I feel. And Omara Husa madeical form released a warm almost there. But don't forget. I never forget. Because the family does want to investigate ship. They wanted to wait. I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with what the family wants an investigation.

The family wants an investigation. Oh wait, what is this, I guess is what you're saying that the Clark Duncan family would like an investigation into his death, into his death by virtue of omar Rosa. And they never got it. But there was play that there was something. Well, because you know how the story goes the story, I thinks, okay, so this is I knew there was a tragedy in her life. This is there's a tragedy in her life. And you would hope it was sort of the genesis,

but it was. It was. It's but a footnote, honey.

And in the larger story that is okay, So he had labored breathing in bed beside her, this is what she says, and she heroically she the story goes that she allegedly heroically or not allegedly, she he was alive and continued to live after this heart attack that he had for two months, and um like it was five weeks after he passed away that she started shooting The Celebrity Apprentice and cast members on The Celebrity Apprentice, which, as I can tell you today from being on a YouTube,

worm Hall included LaToya Jackson, Claudia Georgia on the same season as Joan Rivers. She was not okay because I think Jones Rivers was on the second season. He still was on Iconic season full of heavy hitter. Yeah, I think Vivocate Fox was on that season. Yeah, and she

and Amarrossa did not get along. Oh my god, wasn't fucking um Sorry, keep going, They all say, like, I was, I was watching I was watching them all on Wendy Williams because WIMS would have all the celebrity we have to talk about Wendy Williams and keep going, but she would have all the celebrity Apprentice cast offs, like sure,

all of them. Almost all of them said that that they felt Omrosa was using Michael Clark Duncan's passing to her advantage throughout the competition and that she would always whip whip it out whenever she was in a tough spot and say like she apparently never once cried on the show, and she has like, of course, a justification

for it. In her own interview with Wendy where she was like, she was like, you know, I really grieved to other losses in my life, and I realized you just can't be crying in bed you have to just keep going. So I went and shot the apprentice. Um, but what I mean what a woman just chills at the thought of figure in his Really, really, she's made her mark. She knows who she is. I remember like like clocking her as a young woman and knowing like, oh, people think they see the power now and they don't

even begin to understand. Because if you are that much chaos as a black woman and your edges are that late, are you key ding me? Are you kidding me? Shakespearean in her way? You know what I'm saying, like you peel back the layers. There's more. Absolutely telling you. There will never be a day that she is not relevant. I'm telling you. And the thing is, it's like I am now seeing people are trying to find all these parallels, and it's like you, you just you simply won't. It's

a waste. You just have to be here for this parallels for what for for who she could be like? And no, she's unprecedented, unprecedented. And I'll tell you who I mean. If there's a parallel to it's drum, it's Trump. It's Trump. It's Trump. Because truly, some talk about somebody who just by sheer force of creating drama. And Cass has gotten a map his map. Yes, yes, that is Arosa. And are we celebrating? Okay, So I so I can't obviously entirely celebrate doing damage, but I do have she's

doing damage. But as an iconic black villain in history, yes, and I mean just a trailblazing black villain. I mean Conda Lisa is shaking. Conda Lisa is not intellectually are creatively capable of of what miss Managualt Newman is capable of. Also, I love reading. I love reading. In anyone's Wikipedia, Oh yeah, that they say their whole name and then they say often referred to anonymously as omar Rosa. And it's just like, like you know how they boiled the name. They also

builded just often referred to anonymously as omar Rosa. I was like, you're right, she is a one name icon and she did not like she did not like Christ and not herself. She became. Yes, she had the presence, she had the sheer magnitude of self of terror. You would go into school. I was in the eighth grade. The first season Apprentice would go to school. The teachers when you start discussions and class about about omar Rossa. Oh, did you guys watch The Apprentice last night? How about

that omar Rosa. It was a phenomenon. I mean, she culturally is just a figure. So it's been famous for almost fifteen years. That's insane. And it's like, and it's what It's the same type of fame. It's what you were saying. It's like, it's not that it's shifted in any regall. She's like, this is who I am, and you will you will something it you will you something, you will at least notice correct, okay, and regard it.

There is a scene in Celebrity Apprentice. I was watching it a bunch of clips and it was the scene where she was in the van with Peers and she was like screaming, and that was when they were competing with each other. Then again she was on it again right for All Stars, for All Stars, so appease, I just wow, what a what a place to be Celebrity Apprentice All Stars? What got us fear in the I guess Pierce became a judge so then and they they

made up. No, they did not what he had it out for her since the beginning and then there's a scene in the boardroom I believe in the episode where Olmrosa gets fired because she was always fired. She never won there got close. She never even got close. She came in eighth place in her first in the third season. What character back story, she was a lovely ninth alter

now whatever title. And so basically he says like, so it was a challenge where it was like she's sitting there with little John and Dennis Rodden to give you

an idea again, another true international cultural figure, Dennis Rodman. Yes, so it was a challenge where they had to get their famous friends to give them money or something, or like they had to auction off celebrity belong That's where all the challenges were though, right, But but Pierce said, Dennis Rodman was able to sell this bat that Derek Jeter donated for five thousand dollars. What were you able to do, Amarrossa. She was like, well, you know, I

contributed in other ways. I sold other things. And and he said to her, He's like, yeah, but you don't have celebrity friends because you're not a celebrity. And this has always been my thing with Youmars. You're not a celebrity and Omarosa just goes and you are and basically it was just like it was just like, how can you argue with that. Pierce Morgan is a piece of ship. Yeahs per every every day I would die, I would die. I would die for her. In the War of Piers

Versa omar Rosa, I would die for. I would absolutely die for And again, you know here it is, it comes to a matter of edges for me. Pierce wishes Pier's wishes he had the edges. He wishes he had the often referred to mana miss Leah, wishes he had the regard factor and at the end of the day, he simply does not. He wishes that he wrote a book called the Bitch Switch Hello at alternate title, you know, of whatever book he really he wishes and he couldn't.

That was what she was promoting when she went on Wendy Williams, that Wendy Williams on the map for me because I don't I didn't listen to radio. I didn't know who Wundy Williams was. And then she had her show. But then like it was in the first season that she brought up Morossa on and that fight. I was like, Wow, this is unlike anything I've ever seen. There's a really good one. It's beautiful. There's a really good one too, where she went on Bethany's talk show. Yes, I could

talk about Bethany's talk show. Bethany my girl hearts out because she's going and I feel very sad for her. And there's there's a Trump connection there too. That's so, isn't it insane? Okay? Also, I'm because I'm deep in the sort of Instagram well of it. Uh that man he got top billing on an r i P post with Bethany's recently deceased dog. Yes, he did r I P to my two babies who gave me unconditional love. And it's him and the dog. And it's him and the dog and they're like lying back to back on

her like queen sized mattress. And the man's eyes are like open even though it's like lying back to bed. It's really so we do have to pray for but she's not doing well well. When that news came out, we got we were on the same group text and I was like, oh, I hope that there are a lot of people around her. She is did you see his wife's post? Also, his wife's post was chilling. It is all of their children and he's tagged and they're not.

And it's a very long caption, but my favorite part is, uh, no one understood us, but what works for us worked for us. See you in another forty years X. So there's like there's like a real Jesus see forty years and she's got the date. Pat Pat Reagan shout out. It works for us, it works for our family. Family, that's just what works for them and their family. That wait.

The Bethany interview is so good with Almarrosa because literally Omar Rossa, she and the audience is all white women yea, and they're all signing with beth and they're all signing with Bethany, and Bethany is so out of her she's terrible. She really should never have to talk to I mean, because you invite someone like Omarrossa on who like, for all intents and purposes, like you could say whatever you want to say, but the woman is well educated in it.

Literally there's an episode where she took a shower in front of her audience and she taught them how to shower like her, and she was like naked on stage, like like like it's like insane. So she's on, she's on prepaired, she's not prepared. Basically, Omar Rosa is like, um, see, this is the thing, like when you're a black woman, you have to be exceptional, you have to be so much better than everyone else, and and like you get

to be mediocre. And yes, I remember this. And then and then she said and the audience of course, and she was like, I'm not saying that she is mediocre. I'm saying, like, you know that white women get to be mediocre, but that and it was true. Um, but it's like even in Omar Rossa's villain hood, she was coming into the White House with a spy pen iconic. I mean, can you imagine all the I mean Scaramucci, you know he couldn't even no one had to do

any of this to fucking tap the president over the phone. Bitch. It's my least favorite take in the world. I'm telling you, I'm so upset with all these journalists in the way that they're handling the interviews because because because this is this is my thing with it, and I'm really kind of like so frustrated with like the media and people

who are everything. It says everything about why we're at where we're at because the priorities are so fucked up because they sit here down in that chair and the first question is why were you taping? It's like, girl, the president said the N word? Or do you not want the tape? Right? What is the priority? Blaming the literally the victim here? True? I mean this is this is one moment where ASA could be called the victim.

It is like a weird sort of like you do have to do the weird math of it, which is like you are all evil but sort of in the are the enemy if my enemy is my friend, thank you, and but it is also like thank you, thank you. But it is also to me, it's just like it's because it doesn't matter. It's because everybody's like we all knew he said the N word anyways, And that to me is I was going to do this from I don't think so honey, I'm just gonna do it say

it now. I don't think so honey. People saying, well, it doesn't matter that he said the N word. It doesn't not going to change anything. Here's the thing I get it. You can not. We have I'm sorry. We have to talk about the fact that the president used the N word and make a huge and we have to make a huge deal out of it, because when you start to say, well, that's who he is, we can no longer talk about this. That is normalization. And I don't think so, honey, normalizing the president as a racist.

If it changes one mind, well we're all watching the same election. It was pretty close. If it changes even one mind to to to remind people and to show people with proof that he is a racist and uses racist terms, then we must do it. I met somebody very recently, a really kind, nice white girl after a show, and she was from like down South, and she was saying like, yeah, my family thinks I voted for Trump.

It's crazy. And she was like laughing and I was like, hello, no, this is not okay, and she was like ah, and I was like hey, seriously, Like, um, I know that, like we is after a show and we're like doing the nice thing, but I actually want you to understand, like that is infuriating to me um as like a black person and as somebody who's like seeing this normalization, Like you have to like it sucks that it's family, Like I guess that's that's a thing that I as,

like a person who's like a child of immigrants might not necessarily understand. But it's like you have to. You have to talk to the people in your life. And also I had not who voted for Trump, who was an immigrant, and we literally had to sit her down and be like that is not okay, Like if you continue to bring this around our family, like, don't come around. We had a close family friend were they both voted for Trump, these two Chinese immigrants who were well off,

we're worried about their taxes whatever. And I had to I like, I am I just our conversations that are so stilled. I am like this close to just being like, hey, I can't believe you fucking did that. Yeah, it's very hard. I mean no one in my immediate EVALIU, but in my extended family, numbers of people in my family were Trump supporters. And it's just like, I'm sorry, but that's if it forces a tough conversation, that's and and that's

that's that's too bad. If that's if that's gonna be what your struggle of your life is is that at age eight, like you had to have a tough discussion with your racist family member, or even if you don't want to call him a racist someone who um tried to normalize or like let or look the other way to racism, then it's not your life. Isn't that fucking hard? Anyway? Yeah,

it's just crazy. No, But but anyway, the thing that I'm but anyway, but the thing, the thing that bothers me is that these journalists are so like, well, it's Samarosa, I roll, and yes, of course, always consider, always consider the source. But she's giving you has tapes she doesn't not have, she doesn't not I'll say something that made me a little salty. When April d Ryan tried to comfort her on Twitter, I was like, girl, I get it.

There's history and it's nest deep. You can't. But when the stakes are this, you cannot be getting shady with omar Rosa and then taking pictures with Sarah Huckaby Sanders holding pop Sorry sorry sorry, sorry sorry sorry, they're all

they look. You cannot be surprised that we have Trump, like for example, this this really bothered me, and this is another I don't think so, honey, Gail King today on the CBS News literally said to Omar Rossa, Omar Rossa, there's been a lot of rumors about your relationship with Donald Trump, and I just met your husband. Then she said, literally in the same sentence, I just met your husband, who's lovely backstage. But what is the relationship between you

and Donald Trump? And Omar Rosa literally said, what you're saying is something they have said against women for centuries, that women that that women's leverage sex for power. And I have never done that. And I was like, Gail King is asking this question, and like, and this is And then she also was like, why do you want to work in an industry where everyone lies? It's politics? It's politics? Why are you Why are you asking her that question? Did you ask every politician that question? Did

you work with Charlie Rose? Where are you working? Not that, Gil, He'll stop. I didn't like the Savanna gut three interview either. I didn't like the Savanna gut three interview. Are so well versed, how about you? I'm not. I have not kept up with this as much as you have. I feel like I cannot keep up too much or I will get like the Top News story the top news story. See the way Matt emphatically stated lead into the mic

just fully aligned finger jetting this is the top news story. Well, I'll tell you this, this is this is the story. Engage you've ever been with. The news should always be in the news, because I would always the news. I find a lot. I can't get enough of this. She's iconic because because it's exposed. I truly think that this situation, if we just take a step back from the pope of it, it is exposing a lot about the way that the media and the way that they handle things

because they are so hell bent. You can see it in Savannah Guthrie's eyes and then say a show interview, she so desperately wants to like expose Omar Rosa as this buffoon because she's this gooofy reality TV star. It's like a girl, look at what she's giving you. The president is a racist focus. There's like and now we have actual hard tape of it. It's not that thing before people could be like, oh, maybe this is misconstrued

or whatever. It's like watching a murder and someone gets it on tape and then being like, but why were you taping right? What the fun doesn't matter. Do you not want the tape? Do we not want the tape? So that at that point, then when do you stop saying consider the source, right, because then peoplecause people are so hung up about this, you stop saying, consider this source. If she know you consider the source always the woman has tapes, Yeah, she's got tapes, and then this is nothing.

I think it's like even that thing where it's like, I mean, consider the source, but do it side by side with knowing that there's this and I and I. There's like another problem to me that you're saying about media is like there's just no nuance because it's like it's just so much more palatable to have something that's a headline or to have something that's like this is the take, is the definitive take. This is how we all feel about the tape, and that's what we have it.

And then it's new and it's news cycle. Honestly, she's playing the new cycle. She's producing a new tape every day. And that's why I is actually kind of brilliant that she's leaking it like to every to all different networks to equal opportunity. She's spreading the well she gives one tape to NBC another tape because guess what good's good? And you know what I think, title title up Omarosa

ORMSA episode, Omarosa story. She's bad. But here's the thing, Like, here's another issue I have with the media, just the mislabeling of things, like like again on CBS News today, it was such a bad interview guys, like across the board, Gai Gail. Really, she really dropped the ball here. I'm really disappointed in gayl Like I'm telling you what I'll say it from. Yeah, yeah, girl's breaking my heart. I was like, for me, now, get Oprah is Gail's best friend? Again,

Oprah is not I mean Gail. Did I say that right? Gail is Oprah's best friend? Yeah, that's what she is to me. Now, wow, she's in the woods to she's camping to me right now, because because because she has the opportunity, she had an opportunity to not be like the rest of them, because she are you talking about Gail? Gail is like all the rest of the gal It's

like parental levels of disappointed. Yeah, I'm disappointed because I just want, I want, I expect better from these people because like you have, I know, but it is also a thing where it's like, I love Gail, but she is like an older black aunt to me in the sense of there still are these like morality rules and like, and so it's like and also she is Oprah's best friend, but like there, you know, I feel like there's like a weird morality to it, as you know, probably I

just don't understand how you can hear that question coming out of your own mouth and not be like, am I being reductive and not being a resounding yes for her to accuse a morosa of adultery like or of whatever whatever act and that having like some sort of impact. No, not, who cares if she donald? And literally it doesn't matter because the president used the N word again. Focus, this is not she look. And then another thing is she's just trying to sell a book. Yeah, she wants people

to read the book. Everyone who writes a book wants to read the book. What everyone does? Everyone who's everyone who's I'm writing a book, but no one reads I'm going on the news, but don't read my book. And it's just such a such a first thought, simple stupid, boring thing to say, Yes, very boring Okay, um, let's just let's let's that's just switched gears and we really say. The reason I wanted this to come out is because you don't know what's going to come out. Like wrapping

the mic. I want you all to to see in your mind, this is a topical episode of lost cultures. Does you must listen to this today because because this look that tape exists and I believe it, and you know, to drop it in. Well, she ain't going too she doesn't have that one, but she's got she's got I know she's got more. Yeah, well she says she has more. And at this point, well she has the one with the call with all with the other women where they

that came out today, where they can you summarize it? Yes? Do you? Did you hear about this? I did not hear about this. So Katrina Pearson, who was his campaign spokeswoman or whatever, um like his publicist, got a messy looking woman was out there, was out there and was out there, was out there three days ago or whatever, being like there there is no tape. We never discussed there being a tape. I unequivocally deny that Donald Trump ever said anything like this I'm paraphrasing, but she was

out there being like, omar Rossa's ridiculous, etcetera, etcetera. Today omar Rossa dropped the receipt Katrina Parson on the tape, being like, he said it, he's embarrassed, and then the other woman being like, yeah, we should try to find a way to spin it, and also we should definitely try to get a copy of it. She's good. Save my girl had her by pen in the in the

situation room service. I'll imagine it. It's a big old pen too, not even a slow one telling you she's she's with she's with the Kelly, she's with the Sarah's, she's with the Katrina. She's infiltrated, infiltrated. The circle is I'll say it again, it's not nice, but it is true. All these women, the evil is sucking them dry and looking good edges laid, dark circles, gold and honestly doing all her interviews in a bold yellow color. I love

the look. She looks very good, bright lip. She said hello, I'm here, and look. It doesn't it's not ascounting superficial as us saying that on TV. You don't you want to look as best as you can distract from the truth, looks good on the body, the face. Honestly, it was she and we also should say, to be fair, we're exalting her right now for for seeing the light, but she did turn her back on the community. Acted at her core is a self interested person, but that she's

also I'm sorry, I unfortunately she is. Okay, I will. What we've arrived at, what we can all agree on is that in some way he has met his match in her. He created her, and she she molded herself after him. She's not shy about saying that. She said she wanted to be a billionaire. She was born in the projects. I believe she said, I want to make something of myself. I went to go learn to do that from a billionaire. I became his friend, He became

my mentor. He taught me everything I know. Now I'm going to show everyone that I am ready to step outside of his though. It's it's like it's truly like chilling. It just like and like impressive and scary like, but it really is. It's like she saw that trajectory, like she saw that path and she was like, yeah, there's no choice for me. But too. But then she was also like whatever she was, also she was also smart

enough to see it for what it was. While she was in the throws of this, Yeah, I have to like, like, while I'm here, still be finding ways I have to preserved. I still have to figure out a way to like document this in case sh it turns over. She also was I'm sorry, but if you I tweeted this, but if you don't understand why she took a recording device into the room with all these like white dudes who work for Trump, then you don't under You just don't

understand the experience of being another she was. She was protecting herself. Alma Rosa. Okay, and you know what, I might get flamed for this, but she's a code switching icon. I don't think you're you're totally off here, Like there are aspects to do not flame I over this begging

you don't don't flame her. But it is that thing where it's like she does exist as a black woman in certain spaces and knows how to like because when she started that Wendy interview, she was in it and then all I'm here, you know, and but then it's like, I mean she's you know, she's getting close with Michael Clark. Don't get you know, she knows how to go to a cookout occasionally. I'm sure her in Candaszone have had a conversation or two. You know, listen, she she knows

how to operate in those spaces. And then she knows how to go into a space with a room full of white men and make, you know, and make them feel sort of safe enough to say the white men thinks that they're going to say inevitably, is it for the greater good? Absolutely not. But does she know how to play the game and switch it up. Absolutely absolutely. She's still a despicable person for enabling this perspicable it's

crude oil at the core. But I will say if if the end of her story, at least for now, is that we get a tape of Donald Trump using the M word, and it changes even some of these people's minds, and it just puts us in a position where and I don't even know why I'm putting hope out into the world because I don't I also don't want people to hear this word, you know what I mean. I don't want to hear around that, And I don't.

I don't think. I don't think anyone wants to hear the word because like that like just as like you know, hopeful and like, oh, people will finally see there's like a great amount of people who would be like hell right, and we don't want we don't want to signal fire. But but but the thing is like when you say that word, that says something defining about you for life, and and it's the lies too. It's the lies. No, I didn't say it. No, I didn't say it. And

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I know, I know it, I know it. If you're listening, just come to the light, release the tapes and honestly joined the ds A. She says she's going back. You know where she's gone where. She says, she's going back to the ministry. They're like, what's next thing? I need to focus on my ministry. I'm like work gay icon't no almar Rossa gone in a flaming robelmar Rosamarrossa. If you're listening, we would love a tape. We would love for you to come on. We would love for you

to wear a yellow podcast our visual medium. I would, I would roll out the yellow carpet yellow. Last culture stas emerged. Yes, that says almar Rossa fan. You can't flame that for thats Fanarrossa fan club Amarrossa merg available now. Honestly I had to and after that episode, I have to mark my senses as white. Next scene up said we're releasing this or harolding omar Wait, wait what we're gonna sext about it today? And I could tell she

was over it. She's just like I was. I was making all the points I was making on this episode, and I stand by everything I said. But STUDY was like, yeah, but you can't take her seriously. It's omar Rosa. And I was like, there are tapes. I was like, I don't want to have lunch Withsa, I don't want to hang out with omar Rosa. But you can't deny the tapes. Okay, Um, we have to ask you the question me ask dare you did not say omar Rosa? What was the culture

that made you say culture is for me? Um, what was the culture that looking me the ice say the tapes? Okay, we can revisit this if if you want to think about it, No I can. I think I had the moment um. So I grew up very Christian. So if two people who listened to Larry's episode, we have very similar We both grew up pentecostal, penta baby Pentecostal to the stage. Okay my drag name. Um, Yeah. But I

grew very very religious. I was like wearing skirts. I remember telling my mom I was not going to have sex before marriage and she's listening. Yeah. Yeah, I like just lived. I was like, my goal is to be like a minister's wife. And so we lived a really devout life. And it was like a lot of vegetales and like McGhee and me, and like a lot of wholesome family value entertainment, even like Seventh Heaven was close.

Like we never watched like the very special episodes you know sometimes, and and so it was like it was super super devout. And when we got into high school, we got cable and so that was like a huge game changer, and I finally was able to understand when what people were talking, like what my friends were talking about. But the big show was Monk. It was Monk. It was Tony Shalu. Oh my god, please unpack that. I

was captivated by him. I was captivated by him, and I think I always will burn like a frightening, eternal flame for Tony Award winner Tony Shalu. But I loved watching Monk when my parents wouldn't have the TV, Like when my parents would stop watching the TV and like my dad's to watch like games and stuff, it would just like always happen to be on and it was just like it was like so invigorating for me. It

felt very homey. It was like one of the first shows where I was like, oh, like I get this thing where you go in front of the TV and like like you understand, like you feel at home, like you see these things that you love. And it was and it was Monk that did it. And then after like I tried to watch like the other like normal like Dirty Rock and normal, but it was just like that, and that was a show where I was like I have to watch I have to watch it all. I

have to watch everything. Yeah, and I felt like so seen My Monk. I love that. What do you know what about the show specifically like spoke to you, like, yeah, like was there an element that was so so riveting?

I just I thought it was so funny. I specifically there's an episode well I mean yes, but also but also like funny, but there's a specifically an episode where it's him and Stanley Tucci, and Stanley Tucci plays a character actor who is going to be playing Monk in a feature film and there is a murder that they have to saw that happens like like it's like ends up being sort of related to the taping, but they have to solve it, and like Stanley Tucci starts becoming

Monk and like trying to take over Monk's life. That's pretty great, Stanley tuccik hot okay, I mean hi Ki Zaddy Daddy all the way around, as Pat Regan says, and this isn't even one of his catchphrases that everyone knows,

but secret good body. And I think it just also weirdly was a show where like because they had a lot of guests starting like fun because like I mean, it's Tony Schluved folks, but it's like it ended up being a weird gateway for me to get into other pieces of culture as well, which is like that was a defining thing, was it because you sought out the actors? Yeah, that I liked and so and so that I'm like, oh, this guy Stanley Tucci is in Devilware's product. You check

that out. You don't even like insane, like weird word was the hub for the spokes, but it also was just like it is like for the most part, very wholesome and so it was like a weird uh yes, moral bridge and moral like get around the way for me to get into like the other like more edgy context. Yes, I have to ask not to take the discussion away from Monk, but let's let's we're going back to a

pre cable io. Yeah, were we connecting with the veggie tails and and all that stuff on like the same well obviously not the same level, but like, was that like all you were sort of even exposed to cold Now I read a lot. I read a lot because of that, I think, and so like I um so like one, I secretly read the Harry Potter books. Well I wasn't allowed to, and I went behind the vacs and I was reading those books. I think I was a little but I also was like, no, well I

don't I won't ever actually hang out with witches. I'll just read about yeah, like like sort of like in say, like work. I feel like that was like very much a theme of just being like I'll just read about it and understand it, like like you know, don't embody it or whatever. Oh my god, I always I always went. When I first heard that kids couldn't read Harry Potter for religious reasons, I was like, wait, what is in this?

But then I guess I didn't understand. I remember also hearing about it through school and when kids are like, isn't that crazy? And I have to be like yeah, because all the kids were also like yeah, yeah, yeah, wow. I forget that that's it's weird because well, so I'm from Boston and so that's a very liberal, like college city,

forward thinking, smart place. But not to say that that isn't you know that there are intelligent people who are who are religious, not to say that at all, um, but it it's like it definitely was like we just I just grew up. My community was like a very small pocket, and my mom was like very careful. I just wanted to make sure I was like safe, I guess, so in her mind it was like, well you staying

at church every day? Um? Yeah? And I mean like I still did like other outside things, and I had other outside friends when I went to a Catholic school because there was no like Christian Christian school, and my parents were like, these are your friends, we have to vet them in their parents. So did you discover that in Catholic school the repression sort of led to acting out?

I was really very very very good I and and I uh was very shy also, like I truly remember, like when I was thirteen, I remember like talking to the pastor's wife and being like, how did you become

a pastor's wife? Like I think I want to do that and she was like, like she really was one of people, was like you have time to think about but but in my mind, really I was like, I think that that's my goal and she was like, but for like many years I was just like I like, I just I don't see anything fun and what all you people are doing? And then like in high school I started I joined the improv troup and I started doing like drama and theater and I was like, oh wait,

the freaks are here. This is guy, this is fun. So then you were just over the course of four years like desecularized and honestly was it was like high school and then like and then it was off to n y U and not some like seminary. Yeah. I applied to all schools in Massachusetts and once either very close to my church or with uh sister churches nearby, and n y U was the only out of state school that I applied to, and that and it was

a reach. And I remember my guy in this counselor whose name I will not say, but she knows who she is, was like, you know, maybe this isn't even worth it, and I was like, okay, chill, chill, chill. And then I got in and they gave me like the most like I'm saying, amount of mining until my parents were like, okay, I guess you have to do this. Yeah, And then I came to New York and I and I still tried going to churches, like I tried for

a really long time. But I think, like as much as I you know, I'm very glad for the way that I grew up. It was like one of the first places that I like learned about music and was able to like be in Christmas plays, you know, like all that cool stuff. Yeah, having community, but it also was like a true hub of anxiety and repression. And like my goal as a woman was to like be by the sidelines. Like that was like what I saw for myself, Like like if I really am a leader,

I'll be supporting like a man leader. Like that was like what I wanted for myself, which is so and so like actually being on my own for the first time, I was able to like I realized that I could want more for myself and yeah, yeah, is there any interest to like want to like re explore that, like go back to like different places of worship because like people like like like I like, I'm like there's this like good community of people in the comedy world who

like we'll go to like a bunch and like we'll go and have a good time and like still like keep in touch with that side of them. Not to say that like everyone who was like like I'm not holding myself to that standard. E there, like as someone who went to church as a kid, but like I find it interesting. Nation did you grow up I was. It was like okay, it was called the Colorado Evangelical Chinese Chinese Evangelical Church of Denver, but it was like not,

there was no denomination. It was just like come if you're Chinese and Jesus, yeah, well yeah, we were Roman Catholic. We we converted from Greek Orthodox to Roman Catholic when yeah, like we had to, like my parents had to apply because we moved houses and uh, Greek Orthodox. That's very much my mother's side. My mother's religion growing up was Greek Orthodox. My mother's father was like very Greek. Um.

And uh. Then we were moving houses and we converted to Roman Catholicism because there was a church by our house and and I remember my parents being like it's almost the same. And also the masses we're going to be in English because the Greek Orthodox is in Greek Greek, and it was like Greek to me. I didn't know, so we'd just be sitting so Greek to me, um, um, yeah, oh Greek to me, what is that from? But it's from because she's a she's Greek to me to me,

okay cool um. But yeah, we switched and I was like this there was no connection to any church, but we did go. Like it sounds like it was like a big part of your life. Yeah, it was pretty It was pretty big for most of it. It is also like sometimes I do feel very weird posting videos and I know that there's a swear in it and

like you know, like yeah, that's like embedded. And I also recently discovered a lot of my like family friends and cousins who was very close with have like unfollowed me on Instagram, which I'm like, I'm not hurt by it, but it's like I can't even you can't even stick around the videos and stuff. You don't even want to see that content has posted maybe the only acceptable Instagram of like a show, like list of like these are my shows this week? And it was and it was

also religious. It was just the picture of a crying girl, yes from Jesus camps camp. And then you had the list of shows and then your caption was hello please it was reous um. Wait, we have to return to Tony sub Oh yes, my man, your man? Now did you propily married? I would never step in your marriage, Tony. I really want to make that clear. My body got so hot at the idea of I don't know a fronting. Now that you know what it is, can clock the behavior every time I see you now and I see

something weird happening? Repression there it is? Yeah, sometimes it roars through. But wait, have you followed the career of Mr Charlob Yeah? I love him? Do you watch Marvelous Mrs masl I watched the first season honestly for him. He looks good. He got the mustache is so good. Mustache is hot. And I recently watched Big Night again and people haven't seen Big Night highly recommend our man Stanley Tooch is also in there. So is uh former

husband of Jennifer Lopez. Mark An into acting quite often and he's very cute and Big Night, Big Night is lovely. But the mustache, it's one of the original appearances. Um so um did you happen to see? Um? It's It's Leaving Me the musical That just one best musical this year Ban's visits. I Love my Man, you love your man, I love my man. Did you know that? Did you know that I'm actually the woman in that? No much shaddy, that's actually me. And when whenever you whenever anyone thinks

of that song. I listened to that song. I want you all have to think of me singing it. And I can only imagine this like sonic. This is truly what we're doing is horrific. Oh wait you, oh wait you you were at the showlot that I was awesome. You said you just saw a straight right man. Oh yeah, you think. I thought it was fine, and it made me sort of frustrated because I felt like the bedrock of everything was so cool. And I also I love

young Gene. She's so cool, so cool, and I have to just admit I haven't seen any of her other works. I've read. I've read, and she did like a cool, weird production and made a play with some kids. But um, when did you graduate? I graduated, Funny, you're seen much younger. Oh my god. Yeah, I hope that everyone she graduated last last year. Oh my god, I hope that. I know what's going to happen. All the everyone that's driving right now is going to run someone over with beautiful,

intelligent mind. Just have graduated in the university. Anybody, just come and find me. I'll drop a pen. Just run me. Oh yes, Flamer, your car standing in the middle of the road. What were you? What were your studies? I was studying education. I wanted to be an English teacher. UM, and I say wanted to as in I was like, h, I haven't been parents. I won't be a doctor, but this is what I can do. And then I like, like, I secretly applied to UM. And then I studied playwriting

there in what department? Uh? And uh did a dramatic writing I was. I went to dramatic literally not, I has a very amalgamation of me and match. Here's what I will say. You are my biological father, Yes we are. I graduated from dramatic writing in wait, wait, I did not know that at all Aboutely, what did you study TV? I studied television writing yet concentration. When you said you were in the PROPA were in a danger bar? I was not in Danger box. I was not. I was not.

I was not accepted into doing box. It was a Hammercats type of bit. But has either they would they should, they should be there, they should be so lucky. I was a little. Yeah, I did a little. It wasn't a little indie group. Cool. We all met truly in the danger box. Happened to auditions and yeah, and it was like, oh wait, we are all still very funny. Not even I remember getting that no email and this also is what it was. It was from Alex Song and it was the most it was like the most beautiful,

kindest email ever. Um, and she was like so nice and like now like she's like a friend, and it was just like so like genuine, and I mean Alex is amazing, but like I remember like crying in Washington Square parts, you know, and and just being like I won't have community you a freshman, Yeah, that's hard and and um. And then like like an hour later, got like a text from this guy Andy Anderson Cook. Um, he's like a cool play right and a friend. But

he was like I'm just cool. But he was like, hey, we met in these auditions, and I think that we're all still really funny. We don't have to get beat about it, Like how about we all just think out this thing, really do this thing. Um. Smash cut to NBC opening, like everyone everyone's singing, even though they kind of camp like halloo, yeah, come on, everyone's like and now with the performance of Omasharif Matt Rogers, well no, look and now I was in fucking writer's rooms in

check come on. So that's that was always the goal of course, graduating from dramatic writing. You want to be in the righteous room. Yeah yeah, I I feel very for it to be this young and have that happen. This is the refression of apologizing and and it is like entirely uh and like that's the thing that I think about and I will like weep if I think

about it too hard. But it is because of like people like you guys, and like people in our community who who just have continued to advocate for me and like see me when I like I haven't even seen myself. That's passed on from people that did that from up and like. But it's because of that like that you have learned it and like and like continue to share that.

That's just like so important, baby babe. No, but like we are your biological fathers are so literally we only do it believe it would look really bad if we remember when you both gave birth to me. Was oh hard. We shared one We shared one vaginal canal so ugly honest, it was gross. Was just thing we didn't get. We didn't get one right up about it. They didn't know not nothing split Sider said nothing about it. Splitside was sidless.

You couldn't even get him on the phone. I couldn't even get a ten best moments of the of the birth of io Oh my god, can you believe? Can you best Brooklyn comedic births of the year? Please? Where are you? No? They better make it write a write up about this Omarrossa episode, because if they don't write this Omarrosa episode up, I'm We've never had an episode

like this. We we we like got so into the topicality of it, like I love it, and like we all have we all contributed in these compelling ways when when I say it's an honor, like you need to know how much I mean have me shaking If you can't hear it, you have to be honest with you. I'm very happy that you came in an enthusiastically want at the top onmar Rosa because this kind of reminded me of do you remember when Big Little Lies was first breaking? We would be doing episodes and I would

be like, do you watch Big Little Lies? And all of our guests would be like, no, I haven't seen it yet, and we'd be like I was even late to the game. I was like, I was convinced Seas Town in the Straits of California. I want to reveal that Bowen and I auditioned for a role which we did not. Look. They gave to a go just African

American model. He was. He's just like out of the here, the beautiful and I'm like, oh, so we weren't close, like this close because I'm your child, so obviously the next logical stick breakdowns did not say African American honest, like, here's eight feet tall, gorgeous, gorgeous, and I'm like, okay, so yeah, they didn't want this trash and I botched that audition I thought I had, I thought I sound it a good tape. I was so bummed. I mean

I knew, I knew we weren't booking. But there, I mean, there's some Reese has some dress from the scenes with him alone. Reese has some great no no, not, I mean we Renada has great. We truly can't reveal, but just to say, you know, when you auditioned for something, you do see the pages, and we saw some pages. Girl, we did not book my my. I think my most high profile pages I've seen was a Thirteen Reasons Why

I did a Thirteen Reasons Why be so good. I think it would have been honestly, like the greatest, like uh, the funniest thing I've ever done. I mean I would have it would have been like a like an old legend like that would have been my Andy Kaufman submission to be like I was on season three of Thirteen Reasons Why I'm a teen with the Secret that's a show that is contributing to make the world the worst place. That would have been my omar Rosa move. You know,

you should have taped everything positive. You should have taped everything that happened on side all the producer's discussions like how can we really glamorized suicide in this scene? Like I can, right, yeah, holding out it's like one of those big like uh like prop pencils that you got from like the Scholastic book fair, Like that's my spy pack somebody somebody destroyed three feet long. Somebody described Omarros's recording as a talk boy, and I thought that was

so funny. I don't get it, Like remember those they were very popular and like Harry at the Spy Times, I love that. That's fine. This is what I do imagine omar Rosa does have like and we're back to her because that is who she is. But she does have like a you know, like a three k it in a trench coat sort of vibe. Like there are just like like three of like the meanest fifth grader are stapped on top of each other with a spy yeah, and they're just like, um, yeah, maybe you're a bit Yeah.

People came talking about me. Yeah, absolutely, I have an obsession. Where are we all obsessed with? Oh my god, I haven't I remember? No, do you guys remember when I didn't stop watching on weekend Update. I'm happy you brought this up because I meant too earlier. My Rootolph comes

in and does bonkers off the mark. But the game of the whole fucking thing was that things kept falling on her head and it was the funniest thing in the past, Like a bowling ball like fell on her ad like making contorted faces, and she the things like hit her in the head. And I think it was Tina and Jimmy. Yeah, I would also, where's just like my hour of Maya Rudolph making noise? I know. I think it was called the Maya and Marty Show, We'll stop because I've died for her. Um, we died for her,

her Star Spangled banner. We watched it like three nights ago. At any moment and just be like, oh, you are truly a genius icon the Omarosa of comedy. Thank you is Paul Thomas Anderson. This okay, and then back and then we're back. I do have to I do have to say with the impression because I taped it on BCR watt to school. I made my eighth grade science teacher watch it because we were both obsessed with the Apprentice.

But no, but fucking my rough hint ship. Yeah yeah, yeah, Oh you were one of those kids I would talk about. I was one of those kids seven seventh grade. I was like, oh my god, ms Patrick, how far in the Da Vinci code? Like I was so freaking obnoxious. But now my Rudolf waxon, we can get back to this. But my Rudolf foxon, and she goes, where where is she? Where does Mr? Trump? I'd like to converse with them briefly, like not it's we have to watch it later. Oh

my god, it's so good. But yes, I was very obnoxious in squad. Oh my god, Yes, what was I I mean, like I think we all were. Yeah, that's how you get to where we are. Truly a weird thing is happening to me. And if you guys have do you know what I'm gonna say, people from high school like coming in and then coming out of the would work. Yeah, but also being like, hey, I'm really proud of you, like you're killing it in New York, Like hey dude, and I'm like, you made me set.

You made me set for years. That's why this is my personal anality now. The ultimate to become the most powerful man. Learn it, learn it be off book by Monday. It's it's it's the ultimate revenge to become the most powerful man. Not in the world, in the universe, other planets. You're on blast, they're shaking, you're in it's a shaking queaking in its boots. I everybody's off by Monday. I want Ivo van Hove stripped down. We are focusing on

the text. We're in a white room, locked in a glass box and we're just I'm doing an acoustic cover. I'm just pouring down the ceiling. I just want I just want the text of it. I want the music. Do you need a remix? I can't believe that's that wasn't made into like a club remix. That is that is the reclaiming of my time. That is the time

in the Dusk. Oh my god. It is sort of in the alignment chart of like iconic black, you know, monologue like that scene as chaotic, omar Rosa is chaotic, chaotic, problematic, and they're and the fourth space sort of openst neutral and math. That's created a new alignment. I think it's time we have to move on too. I don't think so honey, it's time. Despite me blowing my loads on both of my I don't think so honey, prob apparently I mean well, I mean I just had when you

just have to mention, you just have to mention. That's famous. So I don't think so honey. Is our segment, Yes, but take one minute to rail against something in culture that we're not super liking. You guys can come see us UM at Brooklyn Bazaar on September two. It's a Saturday, September. We are going to be a fun I'm sorry, I cut you off. I cut you off. I'm said sorry.

It's gonna be a fun Brooklyn Comedy Festival edition. Yes, yes, we're gonna have some old favorites back, a little bit of a legends ball of I don't think so, honey, and some new faces as well. So you've got to come out for that. It's on September at Brooklyn Bazaar, which I just went to. John Juan a k Drag Pageant debut, victorious Drag Pageant debut. Everyone followed Kiko Sware on Instagram Season thirteen. Everyone say, um, okay, are you saying you want to go first? I think you should

go first. Okay, all right, this is Bowen yangs I don't think so honey. His time starts now. I don't think so honey. Movie critics that are saying crazy rich Asians is bad because the Asians are too rich. Who fucking cares. I've tweeted this, and the critic that I subtweeted acknowledge my subtweet by saying I was subtweeted four

days ago and I'm still reeling from it. To be honest, good honey, good, because I do not buy this thing where you where you say they're problematically affluent, it's like or or or or you wish that there was more bite or more venom to the to their affluence. It's in the goddamnit title, honey, and the mechanisms by which people in Asia become wealthy might might not totally resemble the mechanisms at which people become rich in the West.

You know, like, why even draw your own conclusions about this? You work this gorgeous magazine, You are doing fine, and yet you want this movie, the first with an Asian cast since since The Joy Luck Club twenty years ago, to be more be more proletariat friendly. No, queen, No. And that's one minute. There's also the Vulture review was infuriating. They called it, they called a wealth Trumpian. You can't crazy you're waiting till now to say that there's a

problem with exorbitant wealth in films? Have you been have you been saying it about every single black movie that's come out? And this is my like, my thing, which is also why like I super empathize with it. Is just like people of color are not allowed one mediocrity like if you have, you know, it has to be

a masterpiece. And we're also not allowed like folly, like it has to constantly be indicting and the fact that there is a movie that's honestly i'll like a hit, a deeply enjoyable hit, and you're and you're picking apart, you know, like the pieces of it. It's like fuck you, and you know, and these people, this one critic in particulars given free passes to fucking I don't know, tag

let's say, I don't know. Actually she didn't actually like that movie, but like, oh but then he compared it to like Succession and how that was a good example of and like we're out, we're out, babe, Like no, no, no, no, no, no no, it's just you got like come on, so privately think that, like just like don't put it in your fucking widely. It's just so it's like it's irresponsible because it puts the it gives people a reason to I don't anyway. Right, So this is Matt Rodgers. I

don't think so honey, Okay, we're good. Okay, is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many as time starts now, I don't think so honey, Savannah Guthree, you we're trying it. And that omar Rosa interview because you kept cutting her off, and you were cutting her off. And then here's the thing when omar Rossa, when you give her the space to be like you're cutting me off? Is she says, it's strongly and confidently. And then everyone's like, wow, omar

Rosa is such a bit. And then on Megan Kelly, who I don't think so, honey, Megan, but she then was like, wow, did you see how the grace with which Savannah handled that. Its first of all, you guys like, get over yourselves for one second. And then Megan Kelly goes and you never, like, the audience is gonna be with Savannah. The audience left Savannah. You never turned on the host. It's like, well, if the host is acting in a disrespectful manner. And I think Savannah got three

is a good journalist. I like Savanna got three, but I don't think so, honey this interview because she was not being fair to the guest, and the guest was the one that's gonna talk. She kept cutting in with new questions. Watch the interview and that's one minute. Oh

I love this. I mean I watched the interview because because it's it's ridiculous, like you're getting over Rosa, you know what you're gonna get But you as an interviewer, that's your guest, and you asked them a question and they start answering you, that's not your cue to ask another question. Yeah, this is like when Andrea fucking Mitchell was like hating on Michelle Wolf after the Correspondence dinner.

Wait a minute, you guys are missing the point or it's that like they really I hate when people say this because I'm like, it sounds a little conspiracy theoristy, but like like they sometimes you think people in the media really aretist all like playing for the same team. No, no, entirely, That's what I was saying with the April Ryan and the you know, Sarah Huckaby Sanders. You know, it's like, oh, okay, cool,

So I can't trust anything. It's like there is like I get that when people are like, hey, what the hell is this? Watch this? You know it's it's gross. But it is also like with Megan Kelly, like dog, could you could you whistle any louder? It's not a whistle?

I mean. She also recently called Jane Fonda han and why Jane again, Like this is like something that just don't don't forget Megan Kelly who said Santa Claus was white, and she said that factually Santa Claus was white, and then she also referred to Jesus as sure, she's a fucking idiot. No, she's and a racist, Like this is okay.

This is the thing that separates the Megan Kelly's from the Omrosa is, honestly, is that omar Rosa has at least experienced some modicum of struggle in her life to have the perspective to be smart enough to pull off all this ship and to say that and to express that on TV. Well, luckily we're getting a Fox News movie that's gonna star Charlie's there on as Megan. I mean that actually probably should have been my I don't

think right there. I just feel like, you know what, Nicole Kimman is also in, and I believe she's playing Gretchen Carlson. Um. Look, look, it's just you want to like, I don't know. I have so many thoughts about this. It could be a whole other episode. But basically what it boils down to is it's like we've heard this story. We've heard this story. We haven't heard stories about women who's experienced this in careers that don't get the limelight.

But these women are have told their stories, they have the space, They get space every day to talk about this, and they also are extremely politically problematic and and I think it's horrible that they were sexually harassed, but the fact of the matter is like they had a platform dangerous and that's about, like I mean, especially if it's like Hollywood is going to be, you know, saying that they're about the Meat Too movement and saying that this

is a priority, Like where's my movie about home health care aids who you know, who are like immigrants and are afraid to speak out against the people that are abusing them, Like where is my movie about like nurses and you know, like women who are working in factories and you know, like can't speak about this thing like them empathetic. I love them both. I love Nicole Kim

and I love Charlie's Yes, yes, yes. And I'm not saying that one you know that that allievi or disintegrates any struggle or anything horrific, but produce a movie about someone else, yeah, because that makes it feel like a vanity project totally, But that does make it feel literally is a Vanity Project because well, I don't know. I just mean to say this in a way that's like, well, these women have already had a platform to speak out about this and like so many So why are we

retreating it? You know what I mean? Like like there's a retreading it. Sorry, there's a lot of there's a lot of stories out there that you know, women are the focus of women can be the focus of And didn't say that Santa Claus was was just white and that kids should just get over it. Okay, Wow, I love that you went into that. I love I love that. This is one of my favorite episodes we've ever done. Oh like unique, Okay, I are you ready? Don't I

don't think I don't think so, honey. Books, Oh my god, reads and andys give this woman a real no, she's off the fucking rails. Wait, this is io Debiris. I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now. I don't think so honey. The Romans If you have not seen this trailer as the new Matthew Weener Project, where he takes another story about white people and finds a reason

to have a moment about white people. There's literally a part in the trailer where the text is like booming dramatically across the screen and it goes three continents, seven countries, eight stories, one family, and it's like bitch, zero people of color, Like how much can you just like not care about these stories. It's also like zeze ze ze ze, we already have Anastasia the goodest animated project about this family.

I'm good, honey, Like, if you really want to be about it, do something interesting, do something prescient, like if you really are the guy who's making TV and about it and about the zeit gey maam, when you wasted your time, you have so much opportunity to do something with people of color, care and do it. That's what I read it. I'm sorry that were there two people of color in Man? There was, and then there was the housekeeper. Yes, there was also there was yes, Betty fires.

There was also a brief subplot where uh, one of the guys that can't remember his names like dates a woman of color, a black woman, and they go to her apartment for like this like party or whatever, and she's like, I'm an activist, what are you gonna do about it? And he's like nothing, and it's like yeah,

boom race got him. Sometimes yeah, sometimes mad I mean, I love Madman is a show, but like there were some there were some like stories or threats or depictions of things, whether you're just like wait then what was the fucking point? I wonder why he felt the need to to to she right, and and my sort of thing which might not be the actual take, but it is often what I feel is like, obviously I want filmmakers to tell diverse stories, and I think that should

be funded as much as possible. And I love like white filmmakers like um, like a Sean Baker who like works really hard to tell stories like Tangerine and like Florida Project about people who you know, those are not his stories, but he wants to fund and produce it and like direct them like but so he can do it. And also like an empathy to actually listen to people and then use that to make like he's not just

like making it up. And then when the black people talk, it's like don't forget you know, Like but but it's also like, um, if you are a white person and and you don't know how to do it, and like on one hand, you don't fund it, help it get made, support it, but it's like, listen, if you just want to make a heist movie about some white dudes, like I'd rather you do that entirely, then try to stick in like one black character who's like, hey, should we

be heisting right now? And you know, and then like you're barely touching on identity or you're like trying to and it's like, so you can tell. It's so facetious. I don't know. It's like Brad Pitt executive producing twelve Years of Slave, you know what I mean, like not overstepping the bound, just giving him, giving the money. We got to be in the hairmakeup trailer for our second but yeah, number on the call sheet Brad, Brad's walking. Um wow, No, you're so right. Yeah, I don't know.

It's not it's not I know, it's not like entirely the red tick. I know that there's this has been in the news though, because um Bo Burnham, Uh, I think was catching a little bit of a moment of heat about directing eighth Grade. What she did beautiful, The movie was outstanding, and I think that you know, and also Ms Chloe Grace Moretz was making news because she

is in that movie. The Miseducation of Cameron Post about conversion therapist and her movie is directed by bisexual woman, and she came out against the movie boy Erased, which stars Lucas Hedges and when it's directed by Um escaping me right now, but it's a white man Um who was straight, and she kind of said people shouldn't see that other movie because it's not directed by someone who has this experience, which I think is like sort of it's I can tell it's like it comes from a

place of wanting to be woke play. I don't think that's necessarily because it's also like you could have said that about Tangerine, you know what. I like, it is a weird line to walk. And it's also like, I mean, I'm like we're talking about p T a earlier, Like I love, like I love his movies so much, and he is like a white guy who's often making white guy movies. But I just like very much connect with them,

you know. And I'm not saying like, oh, you can only support X y Z, because that's like, yeah, there's different kinds of directors. There are those kinds of directors like Sofia Coppola, who prefers to make movies about a specific kind of person, whether she's actually like that or just no, was the inner life of that person very well? That could be true. And then there's people like Angle, you know what I mean, you make amazing films that have nothing to do with him. What do you know

about being a closeted gay man in the South? Nothing? But he made one of the It's so yeah and

film history. But I wonder also, I mean, but that is also very fascinating to me, and and just like why I'm also like, you know, like side by side to this, let's also have more creators of color and queer creators because I think for Angle, and I don't know if this is like right, but like I think it might get to that thing of code switching and like having to understand and empathize with experiences other than yours in order to succeed and like survive in the world.

And so like I mean, part of me wonders if if you know, it's that like it's like that ability to constantly be two shifting focus and um, I don't just like understanding others in order to make your own total art. And it's not always like it doesn't always have to be a hit or whatever. The sound bite at the heart of what Kloe Grace Morette was saying was queer voices should tell queer stories, which of course is yeah, yeah, but I'm just saying, like, you know,

they're artists. Are also artists have imaginations, and they're creative and they're talented, and like something like just you know, you're literally telling people not to see it and I'm sure you haven't seen it and curious about the Disney prints sort of discourse that's happening Jungle Cruise. Yeah, to be honest with you, I I'm not surprised. I wasn't either, because it's Disney. I mean, like look, and also they're

like that's what it was. It literally just about to say, I mean, look, it's either they pick a British guy because being British seems gay, someone Josh Cad who's like a musical theater and like that's and that's day that day. But like you know, it's because they're I mean, guy Brandam says this beautifully on Twitter, but he's like, you know, it's true, like they have this thing about you know, it can't be too close to reality because it grosses

them out. Yes, yes, wow, ummy is scary. Um you know what, we ended on an iconic note for an iconic episode, and wow, we really got into it. I think I think fan club. I think this is the over Rosa fan club, and I think that we have to go out with wait where we should say that Io show in bad taste? Yes? Did you hear my accent in bad taste? In bad taste? Yeah? My, my, my fake Boster. Can you give us the give a plug for the show in your Boston accent? Yeah? Absolutely,

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