Look mad oh, I see you? Why why? And look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness ding dong lost culture? How's it coming? It's going okay, just okay. I had a really disorienting experience today. It was it was mostly good. I hate when you're disoriented. Please tell me everything. It's not that I'm disoriented. Maybe that's that's not the right word. I you were at one point. I shot a quick thing today on a set and it was very like, very controlled environment, very very safe.
At this point, best practices are being sort of established throughout the industry. Thank you industry, and thank you, thank you industry, and um, you know, I caught myself thinking, it feels really nice, but it also is bizarre and weird. It's just weird. How much is is different and how much is also the same. It's you're gonna get used to it. Well, it was just a one off thing. Oh,
it's just a one off thing. Well, now, in going forward into the future, when you shoot more things in this what we're calling the great After now that I've heard Josh Sharpe say it, there was a great before and now we're looking forward to the great after and whatever the great after presents. Um, we're gonna try to do our best. Then we'll be feeling better and better about it. That's right, And it was encouraging to talk to a lot of production staff. It was a very
skeleton crewey situation. But it seems like the people who are working or are getting jobs, and I pray that the people who are not working right now will also get jobs because it seems like things are opening back up in terms of again the industry, things are sort of picking back up, um, in terms of like you know, the p A jobs and the and the production jobs and the other things. Well, speaking of big productions, are you so excited for the big d n C this week.
I'm so excited for the big d NC virtual event. Now it's gonna be it's gonna be an just saying we'll see it's at best and we're gonna get through it. Just get through all of it. I can't believe some of the speakers. I'm not even paying attention to some of the speakers. I'm just I can't believe. They've front loaded Bernie on Monday, So we're recording this on Monday night. We haven't seen Bernie's speech yet, but I'm like, that's like, you save that for if you want to like unify
the party or whatever. You save that for, you give Bernie a better spot. I'm just gonna go ahead and say they don't know what they're doing, but they do. And I just want to say I think this, I was gonna do my I don't think so honey on this, but I just want to say it right up top. Why the fuck is there still such an emphasis on
Bill Clinton? It's it's wait, how involved is he in the I mean, he's getting get a big speech, and I get that he's like a living president, but girl, like tap into any part of like like what has gone down in the last two years, how about six months? How about a couple months, and just understand that he is not the voice that we need to be hearing right now. Meanwhile, they're giving AOC sixty seconds, a quick minute. She's gonna go up there and do it. I don't
think so, honey. I didn't know about this minute. Oh my god, that's heinous. This is what she said on her own Twitter was that they gave her sixty seconds, which translates to one world minute. Billie Eilish is gonna sing my future for like seven long minutes or something like she's getting Billyish is getting seven hard minutes. AOC is getting one soft minute wuintuple AOC's time. That's why you know Bill Clinton because it hit in his long
winded asks are going to minutes. I can't deal with this. I mean, this whole thing is giving me more anxiety than Uncut Gems. It's like I can't even girl, which is saying some of some of thing I gotta say because it's on all these four films are Netflix. Now. I watched on Cut Gems the other night, and it's just like, it wasn't that bad. I'm just like, I like, my life experience has been more anxiety inducing than this movie.
Not not. That's not to say that it's like not at you know what Uncut Gems should have been your life experience. That was my biggest problem with it. It It is like, I like Uncut I'm just kidding. I did I actually think it was straight white bullshit? And I was like, no, it really was. I didn't like it at all. And also, to be honest with you, God bless Adam Sandler, but he is kind of the king
of like I'm a straight wide anxious man. And it's like, okay, because I also tried to watch Punch Drunk Love, and I'm like, why am I having a heart attack? Stop it? I was gonna have a heart attack. I kept watching that. Kevin Garnett in the Weekend, We're amazing. I love that it was just a lot of non actors in the film. We can talk about this thing. I mean, you know, I famously watched uncut Gems and fast forward to the Adina Menzel parts. Her playing full on like Guma trash,
like poor Adina. She deserves better. She deserves better than be like what the fund you've been now? The kids are yeah, but you know, so she gets a really good scene and she's where she's in her Jesus Christ the button mits of a dress. Yeah, I fell out. That's actually a really culture number fifty when came in and I fell She was famously in abought mitzvah dress. Um. That wasn That was a good scene and she got
a good moment. And also Adida Minzelle has gotten a lot. Okay, she's a part of three cultural institutions, right, that's true. That's true. That's being rent frozen and cut gems. What's the third one? Now? Oh wait, she's definitely a part of three Wicked. Now. Adida's career has sort of like oh my god, headlines, headlines, lost culturis. That's two fags
forget Wicked. M posted up. Speaking of cultural institutions, I mean speaking of we have we have one in our midst today this week on the show, Um, this rise is very fun to watch. It's so perfect, it's so satisfying, it's so deserved. We gotta say, um what, let's see
what are the credits. She's a writer for Jesus and Marrow. Um. She was the host of her show Baited with z Way on it was that, well, let's talk about the existential sort of like the transition to I G because I feel like it's it's sort of existentially a different thing perhaps, And I want to get her take on this. And she's probably talked about this already, but um, also she's she's just released a beautiful album, Generation z Way filled with bobs and hits. One of varieties Ten comics
to Watch, Varieties ten Comics to Watch. She would have performed in a dusty old theater in Montreal in July if this was any one year. It's also so funny whenever they're like, um varieties comics to watch and we've been watching them all since, like seen. But anyway, happy they're getting shine now three years later. Um, I'm so happy for her. I'm happy that that was a good list this year. I gotta great list. They did. They
did well. People, Dwayne, Um, you had Meg's Dalter, you had you had Miss Sarah Cooper, you had so many, so many wonderful people and the wonderful current iteration of our show on Instagram live and then posted up on i G t V in the intervening and in the following our subsequent hours of each airing on Thursdays at pm on on on i G Live. Matt, you and I made the grave mistake of programming ourselves against her show last week. Didn't waste. It's true. It was a
total accident. But and it wasn't us programming, And it was the slab we were off. There was the slot we were on, which is important to say. Um, it wasn't a But I will also say competition is good in the market because it created a rising tide, you know what I mean. We're talking about the market in very capitalist terms. That's wonderful. As I always talked about it, as we always talk about it. We're both neoliberal Fox, We're not. Please join, Please stay after the show. We're
doing an after show called cat Less terms. We're just that's going to be a two hour thing where we just do all that. Um. But wow, this is so fun um to have her here on Last Cultures. Thus and it is about damn time, I would say, And I have to say, I am a veteran of bated and it was a YouTube show, and I have I'm going to start things off with an apology as soon as we introduce our guests. I can't wait to hear this one. Everyone, Please welcome into your ears. Z Oh
my gosh, thank you for having me. That was a very beautiful and long verbos intro. So I loved it. I love that. Well, there's so much to say about you though, Thank you so much. I love compliments, so this is perfect. You deserve them all. And where are you right now? Because you're in sort of like a your your your background on the zoom is sort of a flowery sort of Yeah, honestly, I am in Sweden.
Where is she in midsommer. Sweet Sweden, It Sweden. It is in Brooklyn right now, wasting my youth indoors, but staying say hopefully, no, no, no, it's it's it's it's all. It's all an investment. Now for once we're all free to go outside. Now, I wanna spend no more time talking about anything else other than this apology, which is richly deserved. And okay, do you know what I'm about to apologize to you for? You know, I forget that this is this is enraged to me at the time,
but I believe in forgiveness. So I was pissed and then I moved on because that's how we grow as entertainers. That's true. Um, that's true. And wow, what a model for for for growth. Um, for for modeling growth. A model for modeling growth. Now, let's say, let's just give the full context. I was booked in the same sort of shooting session as Matt was, as Sudi was forbated. This was I'm want to say to three years ago,
snowy day. It was a snowy day. Um, I was shooting this program on h I want to say TBS. It doesn't matter though obviously I want no, no, no, it doesn't. But I'm illustrating the idea that the fact that I don't even he's what he's illustrating is the fact that there was an excuse for him not showing up to shoot your showy, and already this is going terribly Wow, I think this is I'm just like extemporaneously getting my my words out. Okay, so this is what happened.
I was shooting the show, and then the production was a little chaotic during that show, and then they had changed my hours and my days so that I was this is the first position bullshit that I couldn't do zo a show. And I had to let Saut your producer, no, the day before and it was just like, I'm so sorry,
I can't do this. And then she responded to me and gave me a wonderful tongue lashing, being like, Ze worked really hard to prepare these segments for you, and this really fucking sucks, and you really screwed her over. And I was like, yeah, I know, I know, and I and I still feel guilt around it. It's okay, I forgive you, because ultimately your episode went to Apana and I'm Turla and it was much better it would have gone. Yes, it went much better than any thing
that we would have done would have gone. Truly. Also, we got to have a great time. We had a great time. No, I'm sad, but I think, well we'll connect hopefully when this is a TV show. UM, so, well, well we'll circle back around. What can you say? What what's the latest on this? Because the buzz around town is everyone's just like at the damn Beach either day, everyone was just like, well he always going to get a show. And this feels like, this feels like a
prophetic thing. Now it's just assumed, you know, time will tell, Time will tell. But I love love and it's like, um tell people tell everyone at home that is living under a damn apparently very big and heavy rock if they don't know what bait it is? And what's going on on your live every Thursday evening. So on my live show, I interview different um celebrities and comedians and I asked them about race. And the questions are very simple, like how many black friends do you have? What do
you qualitatively like about black people? But everyone manages to sort of express their racial biases in ways that no one could ever write or imagine and if you guess like Caroline Callaway, Alison Roman, Um, Rose McGowan, Josh Sharp, friend of the show, George Severis, We're another friend of the show, George Sveris. That was a very funny episode. UM all time. I'm really excited Alexis Nyers, which is one of my favorite interviews of all time. That was
like pretty iconic. UM. And I actually was really really impressed with her. She's done the work. Yeah. I expected her to be like super raucous, more like a Caroline Callaway type UM, and she was really like came on the show like very open to listening and expressing her faults. I was surprised. I thought she was great and she was able to filter a lot of her own biases through this journey that she's been going on with the adoption process that her and her husband are going to
the famously UM. But I what I find interesting is what feels most remarkable to me is, Yeah, it's like people sort of put their biases on display in ways that can't be written or imagined. But with like the Alyssa Milano's and the Rose McGowan's, it's like they come in hot both those interviews. I distinctly remember they came in. You, you greet them, and then they immediately sort of talk at length without you being able to get into word in edgewise, Like they talk at length about like proving
their own activist streaks, and it's like a little bewildering. Yeah, I love Alyssa Milanolissa Melana was one of the harder interviews because I'm like thinking in real time, when do I interrupt to get to my first question as she's sort of like meandering. But I kind of appreciate that white womanhood if you're the type of lady that like talks at people like, let's show that's exactly what we're here to show. So I really love that interview. But
for different reasons. You just put them both in kind of the same capsule there. But the Alyssa Milano interview and the Rose McGowan interview, So there's those are two very different interviews, and those are two very different women. And um so I us I just read through the Rose McGowan interview again and it seems like, because oh, you can actually read all the transcripts on ze Way's
website as well. Sign up from my subscription service. Yeah, but um, I don't know if you saw this today, but Rose McGowan came out today and actually accused Alexander of sexual misconduct. And well she was fifteen when I had sex, so we can go ahead and say rape. Um, so that's actually fresh off the presses. And yeah, so I mean she always bring seems to bring the truth,
um undaunted. Yeah, she's I mean, she's one of the biggest figures and like the century, like moving that movement into what it was because of willingness to speak out. That's just like that's going to be in history books. And I think that she should be attributed to in large part what went down with the entire Me Too movement. And I do feel that she is sort of taken out of that narrative because it's not super convenient for the very d n c Ish way that a lot
of the Times up Ish movement is run. I think, yes, I just referred her other Times up Ish movement because it does sometimes seems like it's it's only for one type of woman. And I think that it's really important that Rose McGowan's voice continued to be heard by everyone. And so you know, I'm happy to see that that you gave her that opportunity, because she's not going to be someone that goes out there and it's a freaking idiot about it. She's not. I mean, you know, yeah,
she's controversial, so she because she contradicts herself. Like sometimes she'll be really progressive and have really interesting feminists like ideals, and other times it's like, why are you speaking up about things you have no idea about? So I think she is truly like a like an American activist in their pure, purest form. Does she not live in America anymore? She's in Mexico, I think said yeah, the Caroline thing,
Caroline seems to like really be stretching this out. Well, I feel like she First of all, I tagged her. I mean, the week of that interview was super thrilling, as as it is every week, but that was a week where everyone was it was a special week and it was a very special week, and I she just I remember she I tagged her in something. Oh no, I didn't even tag her. I screenshotted like some like a tweet of yours with a clip or something. And then she deemed me on Instagram, was like I would
appreciate a tag things. She like what I didn't tag her? She just stumbled on my story, found this this little screen grab of your tweetum with with with your interview, and she was like, would appreciate a tag? She And then now I feel like she's I feel like she refers back to it even still is that accurate? I wish her well? That was special, that was a special interview. What is this about? She is truly being a journalist. She is truly being all in a Frost Nixon sent show.
What goes on on our Instagram is the journalism, and it happens in the moment, and it is not for us outside of it. Okay, say, I'll say, and I will not speak to any individual, but I will say that the behind the scenes of the show deserves its own untucked because that you could possibly fathom on your worst day. Because I even feel like there is a lot of drama around people you try to bok who don't come on the show. Oh yes, yes, Like why I can't. I won't say, because hopefully I'll get them,
and I don't. I don't want to start that precedent. But I've had men. It's mostly straight men. Who get very upset that I have deigned to ask them to be on my show, even though I think, like I've asked that's fantastic partner has been on my show, like Josh, fantastic comedians. Um, So it's mostly straight men and they really want me to walk them through the process. So I've had several of them be like, you know, can we do a call beforehand? And I don't. I usually
say no because I don't want. I don't want to talk to them, right because I would imagine, like what is the prep? I want to talk to them on the show. That's the only thing. Yeah, exactly, because because what is what is the prep that goes into each week for you? Like what are like Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and day of Like what is what? How does that break down? But depends on the guests, but a lot of research, Like I listened to like every single podcast
they've ever done. I go through to see what racist stuff they said in. Um, yeah that's mostly what I do and then that's yeah that's it. Or I'll watch their reality show. So I watched Pretty Wild, um, but that was just for me. That was nyers um. But yeah, that's pretty much I'll just go through survey. They work their work. I can't believe Alexis has never seen them. I mean, I get it, I get why she would never see the bling ering, but that surprised me for
some reason. Yeah, someone's got to do, Like Vanity Fair's got to do. Alexis Nyers watches the bling Ering for the first time. That's an instant you know. By also had pretty valid um uh ship to say about the way that Emma Watson talked about her in the press at the time, being like I'm playing the worst person ever. Can't believe like this person even exists. Meanwhile, like she was well aware of like struggles that she was having
in her life. But also I guess Emma Watson was young, and that's me letting her off the why let's examine it your one woman production team, and I want to ask because I feel like Matt and I have encountered this. Perhaps it's nowhere near the same sort of intensity or
sort of attention to detail that you put in. I feel but like, let's say, like I'll design a poster and then like but then like if I were to ever like those days are good, No, no, no, come on, um but let's say, like let's say Matt and I already do to do a TV show, Like I would feel a certain way about relinquishing power or outsourcing it to someone else, And like when the time comes that you do get the support behind do you in terms of like a production apparatus, Like do you see yourself
wanting to control a lot of the elements around I am a control freak, so I I think that's inevitable. But I would gladly give up the research perstion. I would gladly give up booking talent because it's like a lot of me texting people's publicists, which isn't as fun as it sounds. Uh. Yeah, there there are elements of the production that I would give up. But I like to produce. I'm good at producing. So the minutia of like what what does this look like? How are we
shooting that I'm interested in. For sure. We're the same way because we we literally book whenever we do and I don't think so, honey. It's literally fifty people and we do it city to city, and but we book every single one and we put all that, we put all the lineups together. It's literally too much. But I think that Bowen and I at this point wouldn't feel comfortable allowing someone else to do that. So I get
what you're saying. I yeah, I like the control of being like I get to talk to this person because they are someone whose Instagram I like and want to watch again. Um, yeah, I don't want to reach out. That's I would have something like someone in between us. So then yeah, because I do a lot of aftercare after the interview is all like usually talk to the people,
and so I have space in between that. Wow. So I would imagine that after the interview they probably text you pretty immediately and go, how did that go compared to every other ones that you've done? How was it? Did I say anything that actually offended you? Et cetera? Is that is that fair to say? You know, every guest is unique and has a unique from the experience. Okay, you will not reveal bts. This is a true producer.
She's like, she knows she has an actual show on her hands, which is which is baited after the bait. If you an untoughed for a ship where it's like like was it breaking bad or whatever the fuck whatever? That shocking bad talking bait were definitely. Wait, okay, was that there to say earlier that this the I G Live Show is a different iteration of BAITA would you
still consider it baited because I feel like now we're different, Yeah. Different. Yeah, well, because the first one was like I will race bait my coworkers. Um, then it became I will respit my friends, and then there was a version of it, but then it started stopping about like white people and started being like Gary Richardson and a partner um having to go to.
So it's like in the ecosystem of like race baiting, but I think it's I don't I feel that in I don't have to trick anyone into saying anything racist. They volunted information to me unwillingly the time. So so yeah, so it's it's it's grown from that point. But I think we need some people to help fund the movement, right, every single person has their benefactor, and that's how we thrive. And so I'm willing to step out in front and make a lot of money for the better min of men.
And that's me the Martin third King of All Comedy. That's actually huge of you to say, and maybe that's the title of Martin Luther King a kiding of comedy. Um. I also think it's interesting that everyone is kind of getting to know you as an online presence, because we sort of got to know you as a live performance presence. And I have to say I love your unhinged live shows. I have seen you be given a seven minute slot that went on for twenty minutes and not a damn
person was upset about that. And let me tell you, you were not getting off that stage at all. I'm bad at telling the time, truly did not, right, bitch? Do you know exactly how long you're up there? No? I don't mean it. No, it's no. This is this is the thing that Josh Sharper marked on is that z has always been an anarchist and it's and it's and it's anarchy that she sort of brings to the live performance aspect of her of her of her comedy is that it's like I'll keep playing ponderoast and with
O Marista. Is that the song that you that that was normally replayed from Milania to Sri Lanka? Excuse Lanka? I'm so sorry? Can you wait? Can you just remind me love the lyrics? Um? I love to shop with Milanda and Sri Lanka Lanca. My clothes like my Oscar de la I love my boys, love my Calvin's and my toys, love my Gucci and Pucci. Pretty hello, Katie Meo. And Milannia is only really mentioned in the chorus or is she like I feel I feel like she's sort
of thrown in there. Yeah, she's a red herring for sure. Yeah, that's herring in the song exactly. It's about the women who are friends with Milania. Who is shopping with Milania? Yeah, it's an exploration and you famously would not leave the stage until every audience member knew every word, sang along at a and was up out of their chair bopping
like it was that's true. And you know how that started. Actually, I did the pop show and Dwyane Perkins was going to be the closer and I really wanted to see him because I think he's one of the best dancer comedians ever. And he was late and I was like, so, I was like, how do I feel the time? Like I have extra time at Union Hall? Like what do I do? So? I did Milan a second and I checked is do I in here? No, He's not here,
So I did it a third time. In the fourth time, I think I did it seven times back to back until he finally got and so that that was the birth of what it was at Union Hall. Um. But yeah, I was maddening, people got upset, people left. Um, someone who brawd on stage. That was awesome. So it's polarized, supposed to be polarizing. Yeah, that was a really fun show. I did that show a couple of times. Yeah, I brought I brought my songs. Yes, your songs are amazing.
The Disney Prince I love that. Well it's called Disney Gay, but thank you very much, I do it. Do consider myself a Disney prints on a Disney Gay. Yeah, that was one of my favorite shows actually, because I love when people come bring their music. Yeah, I like I think, well, I just I get I got tired of like this whole do a set to your stand up and it's like, why are we here? Yeah? So I like a theme show because I get to turn looks. Really it's for
my wardrobe and me exercising that. Yeah. Well, I feel like the wardrobe ties into a cultivated persona or a persona that I think you are on the way to cultivating thank you, which is pop star. Can we talk about this, yes, I My plan is to be a pop star in the next two to five years, and I give us details. Well, I'm I am a pop star. I have pop im cat suits. I just bought a new body suit that's in the mail UM and so my goal is to tour worldwide with UM Pop Show.
And my idea behind this is that there's nothing there's pop stars are like the least political figures in American history, famously pop like, Oh, I don't want to comment on that because it affects sales. I thought about the politics. I just focus on the music. And so I kind of pitched the idea like, what would happen if a pop star was inherently political, could have testful and talk about universal healthcare and universal basic income. And so that's
been the genesis of my popstar our character. Well, what do you feel about the fact that Taylor Swift is coming for your spot? Now? I love it. I love that. Hey, God bless we need more people to talk about important things before the death of democracy. That's true, But pop stars and their entry point into any sort of political thought is always like it comes from such like a a sub baseline understanding of the way. Like I'm not saying they're not dumb, They're just like they're like stating
things that like everybody kind of knows. And I feel like I kind of I mean, I mean, there isn't a political concept that like no one that everyone is familiar with, um, just on the same level. But I feel like sometimes pop stars sah and I'm just like, yeah, we've we've known that. Do you remember Pink song Dear Mr President, you only boy about George? It was like a girl, we know, we know what she What was she saying about George Bush? It was just like, dear
Mr President, what made you this way? What damaged you so? Literally the line was were you lonely? Boy? Hey? God? You know? And also like um, of course Kelly Clarkson had her song. Of course she had a song like that. Literally was when we when they go low, we go Hi, didn't U didn't a young um, a young man say that you guys stole his moment from him? Yeah? This chaos, This is chaos. Um. This was when we weren't have
the view. This was no, we do have to this because because if we have chaos here on the pod, We're gonna actually bring chaos of our own, so listen. We actually went to the View and it was because we were actually having a hard week that week, and that was a very fought week, and we went to say, let's take our minds off every anything and go to the Kelly Clarkson Kelly Clarkson at the View, and a producer reached out to us and said, we have tickets
for you guys. We know that Matt, you're a Kelly Clarkson fan, so you should come to the show with the plus one on this day. And yes, this is a very hard I mean, should should we say what this week was? Matt? It was literally the week we found out that Bone was getting s and L and I wasn't. So it was like it was like tough.
It was like it was not like it was. It was a very emotional week, and so we said let's and Boone was still deciding whether or not to take it, and I knew he was gonna take it, and I was just like, let's just enjoy these last couple of days of of it being the way things are, because things are going to change. And it was an emotional time. Ultimately everything happened for the best and everything is amazing,
but that that day it was hard. So then we went and literally we were there because the producer said, we know you're Kelly's biggest fan. So then we get there, they have these seats for us. They put us in. There were in the second row. And then I start hearing titters around saying that the producers saying, we heard Kelly's biggest fan is here. We heard Kelly's biggest fan
is here. There might be something. And I said to Boone and I was like, you don't think that they put us here, because like there's gonna be a thing. Because honestly, had they put us on television that day and Kelly talked to me, I would have been really embarrassing and cried. I was so emotional. So then Kelly comes out does her interview, I'm sort of shaking the whole time. Meanwhile, you should know that everything Sunny Houston said all day. Bone and I were like, yes, yes, Sonny,
go get him Sunny way to go. Well that's a different story. Wait, she'd be fabulous, but she would never go on. She she she I don't think she'd ever go on Rony. She's too classy. Ron Anyway, back to the view and you guys, but so anyway, Um, which one more sunny thing? Which is during during a break we said it was Bowen and I said at the same time, you look amazing sunny, and she turns to
us and she goes, thank you. You know, when we have days off, I don't even wear makeup, Like wow, it was so and then she turned around she goes, Nope, I don't. I don't wear makeup at all. And then the show started again and she was like talking about
healthcare or whatever. The other the other the other sunny thing I want to say is, um, there was a dance contest that was being hyped up by the warm up comic during one of the commercial breaks, and they're like, it's all these like, you know, suburban moms from Jersey or Connecticut or Long Island just like dancing, dancing, dancing, and then um, you know, the crowd gets hyped up, and then the warm up comic throws it over to the panelists and she goes, Sunny, what did you think
of the dance contest? She goes, I loved it, and then the warm up comic throws it over to Whoopy and goes, Whoopy, what did you think? And then Whoopy goes, I don't give a funk about this iconic, iconic, so funny, funny. So anyway, they're like, Kelly's biggest fan is here, Kelly's during an interview, and then then they they they stop everything and they're like, okay, well there's someone really important
that that we want you to talk to. And they go over to this other day that's sitting like sort of right in front of us, and then he tells her, you know, Kelly, like, I'm your biggest fan, Like I've lost ninety pounds listening to your music every day when I was on that treadmill you were with me, and she was like, oh my god, that's so cool. Yeah, yeah, actually have a ticket for you to the concert. And he was like cool, cool, great, and he got to
go up and then get tickets, etcetera. We didn't know that they got us on camera, but they did, and the whole clip of us hearing the whole thing is online and Bowen the whole time is just living for this other day, getting his moment, and so you know, the background of it was so dark, so dark, and and then we brought this, we brought this moment up like a few episodes ago, and then and then I think I think there was a dust and the kid got upset again because he his his this clip was
going around again, and then he was just like, this is another reminder about how terrible of a day that was. And it's like, wait, I can't. We can't weigh you getting you being able to talk to like your your idle and you're like you're you're your hero worship person against me and my friend making funny faces like to the side, like it's not the same thing. I was like,
it was like, this is funny. I talked to him back in front of the d m S. I was like, you don't see how this is funny and he was like, it really hurts me the comments. I'm like, I understand that, but what was I gonna do not post this if we had it? Like, come on, bitch, you guys are wild. Okay. I was on your side until he said you were dming him telling him he it's funny. No, because he was. He he kept he kept replying to all these tweets,
being like stop it now, I'm hurt. This is this, and I was just like, you know what, I feel bad. So I got in the kids dm s and I was like, Hi, I'm sorry that people are saying these things. I hope you know I'm not. I didn't post this at your expense. I posted at my own expense because I think it's funny that everyone that like knows who
I am. Like, I have some listeners of a podcast I do they know what a big fan I am of Kelly Clarkson and me not getting this and you getting it and the way my friend is acting is funny. That's why I posted it. And he was like, yes, but it's really hurtful these things, And I'm like, dude, you know what, it's just going to be a difference of opinion because because the way, wouldn't you agree? I feel like this is something that people can glean from from the show. From your show too, is that like
grafting on any sort of victimhood narrative? And I'm watching like Search Party right now, which I think deals with this, like like being too suffused in a victimhood narrative is kind of like destructive in terms of in terms of like what it does to people sort of in your immediate vicinity when it comes to a certain situation, because I feel like, I don't know if this kid is necessarily a victim in that situation, do you know what
I mean? But he was kind of like going around social media saying that he was and it's like, wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute. He was saying that that that this happening had made it a bad memory for him, and I'm like, you know what, that's actually pathetic. Wait wait wait, do do you agree with him that that you guys made it a bad
memory for him? I mean, you know, I can see his perspective as someone who probably has like what a hundred followers, and then too people who have hundreds of thousands of followers. Big, get over it. It's not a bad memory had that been. Who do you stand the most? Which pops are? Do you stand the most? Sana? I love Rihanna? Okay, So Rihanna is up on stage, they say, and you've been given tickets to a show. They say, we know that z Way loves Rihanna, So we're setting
z Way up in the second row. By the way, also, z Way, the biggest career opportunity of your life is not going to you, but your best friend is going to go join your other best friend at that opportunity. Just f y, I deal with us in the same hour that we're gonna watch Rihanna tell this other girl and I have a whole moment with her. And then you get footage of you finding out that in the moment on YouTube or not on Twitter, and you wouldn't post it. You're saying that you wouldn't post it us
the way I would post it. I would post it, but I would knowing that it might hurt their feeling and that if it did hurt their feelings, I am at fault for it. But it's okay sometimes, And that's that's why I apologized. Well, you're it was a really an apology, but it was. It was a genuine apology. I got on the kids ms. I said, I'm so sorry. This was not my intention. Literally, if you watched the clip and take yourself out of it, it's at my expense.
That's why I posted it. And then he was like, well, you made it a bad memory for me, and I said, again, I'm so sorry. That's kind of what happens when you go on television. This is so funny and unhinged, and it all revolves around Kelly Clarkson on the view, so it is really ridiculous. He's saying amazing. I love that. You guys love Kelly Clarkson. I love Pauli Clerkson. Behind These Hazel Eyes is one of the first songs I learned. Um with my voice coach. Um, Wow, that's a hard song.
That's hard line. No, she's fantastic. She's a fantastic singer. Um. She seems like she has a great charm. Justin from Justin to Kelly was a hit. It was. It deserves to be in the Criterion collection. I agree, you should go on Kelly Clarkson's emy winning daytime show. I would like to be I would like to be packaged with her show, like an hour long just you should be packaged with her show. You the Way is pro packaging. By the way, this is so controversial what you say.
The Way is anti w G A pro packaging. I hate I love the Open Class, even though I'm not a part of it. Yes, oh my god, Bone, I just noticed your shirt. Bone is wearing his Taylor Swift Lost Culturesta's merch. Love it merch. Please be guys, get some get merch getting well, can they can? I still buy it? I think I think that I think the site is down, but we're gonna get it going. We're going up again. We have a lot of Taylor Swift
merch you can buy um someday. Um. But I did just want to bring up the way because I was watching Watch What Happens Live the other night and then who did I see but z Way doing the Mozel of the Week. You have come out Yeah, fast and furious as team Denise. Are you guys, um Team Denise? I am Team Denise. Okay, yeah, so it's other team Denise. Are you abstained? Yeah? I just think it's like if like you're not the police, Like, who's leave this woman alone?
If she doesn't want to he doesn't want to talk about it, Yeah, she doesn't. So let's let's actually let's explain this to Bowen in our terms and see if he's Team Denise, so ze Way, lets let him know what's going on with Denise and the ladies on Beverly Hills. Okay, So let's say I'm Kyle Richards and Denise, Yes this
is you're great? Okay. So Kyle gets information from Brandy gland Felle, that Denise allegedly had sex with Brandy in a hotel room on set, and that she cheated on her husband she's bisexual, and that she all of her cast mates, that she called Erica Jane cold, that she thinks Timmy Mellencamp is living in her father's shadow even though she still goes by her father's surname, that she thinks how doesn't care about them, etcetera, etcetera. Now the
fans are divided. Half of the people think that Kyle Richards has a right to ask Denise to prod Denise about this, that Lisa r enough about it and it's totally cool because that's what the show is about, being honest, and the other the right side of history, believes that Denise Richards shouldn't have to talk about things she doesn't want to talk about and the and walking off set on reality TV is actually the realest way to behave Okay, So I for context, is is it every every housewife
is against Denise or there's no one on Denise's side? No, So basically what's happening is Denise has Garcela Bova on her side, and which kind of inherently makes her makes that the right side. Um, but also she's got Dory Kemsley on her side, which is a little bit of a twist. So and I know it's it's it's so really surreal to see this happen. But so basically half these women are saying, we want to get to the truth of this matter, and Denise is like, it's not
true and I don't want to talk about anymore. Brandy's making shipped up. And the other women are like, okay, well we don't really believe that she's making it up, and then Denise is like, well, I don't really know what to tell you now. Usually, it should be noted
there are some inconsistencies in Denise's story. She does seem like she's hiding something a little bit, but the way the women are going about it and pushing and pushing and pushing and have been pushing her all season on other issues, such as she didn't want to talk about sex with the girls at a party where her kids were at and all the women thought they were judging
them as mother's for doing that. There's this narrative that Denise's quote unquote hiding something and your Brandy Glandville with this information that they hooked up because she thought that Denise and her husband had an open marriage, and Denise said in the morning, don't tell my husband. He'll kill me. So Brandy, who famously was cheated on by her husband with Leanne Rhymes, was not down with cheating. So when this happened to her, she felt like shit and told
the women, now, there's a lot going on here. So I feel like the reason I said, of course, of course, when when you guys said that there was some conflicting there was some contradictory things about her recounting, I'm just like, of course, of course, Like anytime your product product product, like you know, things get sort of lost in translation.
They come out when you feel on the spot. Yeah, I feel like I feel like Brandy's a little shitty for telling the secret and you're on the right history, Thank you and welcome to the right side. Thank you. But that is how you framed it the way on thank you. Yeah, I think that Denise there are holes in her story, but like, oh, like, let this woman live her life. She wants to lie. Let her fucking lie.
What's the big lee? And you bravely did that on the same watch What Happens Live as Kyle Richards and Teddy Mellingham. I didn't get to see, Oh girl, Kyle was not having you. She literally it cut back to Kyler Richards and she rolled her eyes and shook her head a little bit, like, oh my gosh, that's so sip for you. I love it. I mean, I stand by Denise. I think you should like she's has a custody battle. I think that there are more important things,
um that get I just Yolanda Foster said this. She said, we can't go over dead bodies on the way to making a good show, and there are real ramifications. Yeah, are we watching Potomac? Yes, oh my god, it has been fired. Yes, it's excellent. Excellent. Candice versus Moniquehere do you stand Candice? Candice is? Candice is? I appreciate Candice, but I feel like it seems like what maybe Candice is the Denise in the situation where all the other
wives were like piling on her. Maybe potentially, but I feel like Monique just wants some friendship, restitution or something like something. She feels like something is out to her. I like Wendy a lot. I like Wendy yeah, Um, I asked just to be on the Pop Show. I alms booked her. I almost booked her on Pop Show. But this is like a year ago before she like before she unraveled, like her first season where she was
like extra but not doing too much. Um. And she directed me to her manager, Chris, who I believe is her husband. Was she was she gonna be a New York and she was she gonna be in the area, and so I was gonna I was trying to get her an Ashley Darby to perform at Pop Show together. That would never have happened in a million years. Too much drama if it had happened. But yeah, that was I was trying. I was probably asked him to think of it too. My opinion is I feel like I
actually like them both as reality cast members. Like I really enjoy Candice, I mean famously. I I gave her a beverage that was one of the funniest things I've ever heard in my entire life. Um. But it's kind of my thing with Candice is it seems like she wants to do Real Housewives of Potomac on her own time.
Like she's pretty down in the Confessionals she's down when it's like certain times, and then all of a sudden at the baby shower last night, she was all right, just and we're not going to do this at the baby shower. It's like, well, girl, we don't have to do quote unquote this anywhere. You're the one who always pushed it to the next level. You want to have a calm conversation because we're at a baby shower, Let's
do that. But I mean, it was a lot for Ashley to even invite her there and then for her to act as scene and storm out so that Ashley has to leave her own not baby shower, baby party and see you later. M hm. I I mean, I I literally couldn't believe when they showed that. When they played the audio after the video cut out, that made me feel like and then, you know, the show was very consciously taking Candice aside. Yes, but what do you what's your takeaway? Is it just that Monique is fake
as hell? I don't think that Monique is fake. I just think that Monique doesn't think that the Monique is is pressed about Candice having Sharisse at the party, the cash Bar party, which let's just say that was really bad on the on the first episode. But she is trying to buy a house, so whatever, I let her say every money but cash bar on a year anniversary. You just had everyone at your wedding, everyone but you gifts, and not even a year later, you're gonna have a
cash bar, you cover the drinks. You're a cast member on a huge reality show. But anyway, Um, I think that they're not on the same page about just how much of a betrayal it was to have Sharis at that party, and I feel like they just kind of want to fight about it. Yeah, I really think so too. I think so. I think chers is she's the She's she's the hot sauce in the dish that is Potomac,
the crab of Potomac. Yeah, that's beautiful. So where do you stand stand on I'm Monique is gorgeous, beautiful, They're both gorgeous. She's going to be on the Grinder podcast this week, the rear View. Really, yes, she's on tomorrow. That's not with Forever Dog, right it is. Yeah, she's Monique is gorgeous. So I so it's hard for me to say anything bad about her because her kids are beautiful, she seems like she has a great marriage. So so, but creeper bird, I'm team I'm team wand Dixon. He
seems like he's got together. He's so hot, don't we all, I'm famously Ladies. What do you think? No, not Matt, not matt, um um ladies. What do we think about Gisele getting back with her husband and the way that her kids feel a certain way about it recipe for disaster and the kids are so bummed out. They do not want this to happen. I mean, he had he had children outside of their marriage. That's not very that's nice.
And she was just about to pick her life back up with the new house and stuff, and then I think, I think Gisele when when you take the when you take the man out of it, like she she's I think she's one of the best because her first episode of the season going Okay, we can talk, but you're gonna need to stop talking. Iconic line, iconic line, Okay you and I can talk, but you have to stop talking. Is you shut your mouth when you're talking? It's it's iconic.
Where it on the street is I'm still the word on the street? That was like such a bad remix wait, can we talk about how she's the best to the most attractive, worst stressed person in America, one of the most beautiful, hideously dressed people. Lots of fuchia, lots of like liber print rhinestones. I'm just it's troubling. I don't know who not to. I don't want to insult anybody's work, but we need to upgrade shes got like this disgusting.
It looks like it looks like a marshal's section. Like it's just like like different Tuchman picked from like a service that collects from other silleries. Yes, yes, it's like colorful, but they're bad colors, you know what I mean. Like she's got like attackie taste. She really I the most. She's gorgeous, absolutely gorgeous and beautiful style. Oh the silver chairs is just like, I mean, my favorite. I think the person who I'm loving the most of this season
is the Grand dam herself is Ms. Karen Hugo. She is number one. I loved it the whole time. She was just like, I'm trying to focus on my fish. This Chilean sea bass is very good, and then they capped it off at the end of the episode. Is I want more food? Amazing? Also, Rihanna loves Karen, so we're we're all she loves Karen, momented on her Instagram live. So clearly she is the queen has tastes. Yea queen has taste. Um, we should ask the Way the question.
You have to ask you the question. Okay, see, we're gonna ask you the question we asked all of our guests, which is, what is the culture that made you say? Culture is for me? This is formative culture, um, that moved your life into a cultural direction. It could be a movie, a book, a play show. Clueless definitive text of ze Way's life, but then also a decade later Real Housewives. Yeah yeah, now talk about Clueless first. What was it about you describe the texture of your feelings
around the film. Well, I think Stacy dash was one of just like the first I mean, you know, obviously her her personal polity aside, was one of the black women that I saw that was absolutely glamorous on screen on that film. And I just thought Dionne was like the baddest thing walking, the coolest girl in high school. And so a lot of my personality is based on that fictional character. I think the clothes that I wear are definitely pulled from clueless, Like my entire vibe is
like Beverly Hills teenager. M Hm, that makes a lot of sense. You said that Stacy would be one of your dream guests on the show, right, I would like to interview Stacy. I don't know. I would like to interview Stacy. I would I'd be interested in that. Yeah, I think she would do it. I think she would do it too. But I think we'd say that again. I think we'd say that for the television ship proper. Why do we have who list like moment? Like, I
think it would be meeting up friends. The thing is about Stacy Dashes while she is so incredible and clueless, and she really is, Like some of the hard line
readings are I mean, really underrated. Like I feel like, no everyone talks about Britney Murphy's line readings and Alicia Silverson's performance, but no one really talks about how fucking incredible Stacy Dashes Like I feel like I feel like the line well there goes to your social life gets credit, but she doesn't get credit, and she doesn't get credit for share she is toe up our stock would plummet
like that's so good. But um, I I still think for someone who's a funny performer, I wonder about her
sense of humor. Oh what do you mean? I feel don't you feel like to go on your show, you have to have some sort of sense of humor, Like you have to be willing to have to piss taken out of you, whereas like, like, I don't know, it depends I saw her do Like I think Hans just mentioned this silly Eric Andrea lots that episode again like two days ago, because I love the Eric andre Show, and she she she was really funny because she was there were rats on the floor and they were biting
at her heels, so she was just she acted naturally. I think that guest or best Instagram live guests are either people who are comedic, like George si Vers or Josh Sharp, or like Dana Honly like people like that in that field or Patty Harrison, or they're like super straight. I'm just here, like Alissa Milano is playing straight. Um Holloway was straight. I believe Alison Woman was straight. So I think it depends on the guests because I tweaked
my questions too. If the person is pure of heart or if they are rotten to the soul like a comedian, right, like a comedian. But then so you're saying that there is like there is like a short list of guests you would want to say for the show, and that includes Stacy dash because I agree with you that you would want certain there are certain guests that are perfect for the Instagram show but not for the eventual TV
show and not smart. Yeah, I think so, because Stacy is a production like the fan fit around her is what I'm attracted to. Right, Is she a Trump supporter or is she a Republican? I don't know. I think she was just an out of you know, working actress, um looking. You know, you don't get paid for those like you don't get paid for those Fox News appearances. Though she was getting paid. She was a question do get paid? I think I think that. I think there is some money in that. I think it was a
job for her. I love to ask her and be like, so seriously, what's the deal, But I have no clue. Well, um, So then you move forward in time to the Real Housewives. What was your intro and talk about your favorite franchises and moments. My introduction was Beverly Hills, which was just darkness. It was. It was the limost episode where she's like
you still my gosh, damn house. And I have seen anything so perturbed on screen before, and it felt so real because it's like, even if you're feeding them lines as producer like that hatred is something you can never write or they're the best places in the world. Um. So I watched that and I was like, wow, rage, I feel that, And so that was my entrance. And
then Beverly Hills. Obviously with Clueless, I was just attracted to she she she she like how glamorous it was, the diamonds and rose of Lisa vander pump Um, the Camille Grammar of it all, and Kelsey Grammar being on it for like four minutes being like I hate you, I'm divorcing you with and leaving all of that. I found to be really quite intriguing. Now, how do you feel about the way it's developed over time since you've
been watching it from the beginning. So we sort of had that like seed of real because I do agree Beverly Hills sort of used to be about the cracks in the China if you will, like how how people UM try to keep their very very very um actually very fragile but high society lives together and what can happen when that the underbelly is revealed? So how do you feel about UM the Lisa Arena of it all?
And it's sort of being about like less, let's keep it all under the rug and watch it shatter, and let's get it all out there and own it now. But we're not owning everything inherent because if we pick and choose what to own, that is not ownership. That is let's producing UM. So I don't like to see the seams. I like to see the seams of John the producer, telling Denise, I think you're making mistake. Go back talk to the girls. I like that. I like
the production of it all. I'd love to see the production schedules and people being like I don't want to shoot with X y Z, like let's see that realnus of Hollywood. I don't love the like maneuvering of individual cast members being like, you tell your secrets because we know they exist. Because what we'll find is that a lot of because Lisa rana Is is very guarded on that show, there's a lot we don't know. We didn't know that, um, Harry had a son until yesterday's episode.
But she's been on the show for five seasons. Um, that's just a testament. So so I like, if we're gonna be real, let's be fucking real. But I don't think that honesty. I don't know. I just don't. I just don't entirely by that. I think it's really pointed and calculated, but it's it's an honesty that feels very idealistic. It's like, I mean, I'm not even someone who watches the show, but all like the all the big moments of that show post Ranna have been like lie Arena
at dinner, being like did you guys do cocaine? Like it's like all these things where like she's confronting people, but it's like, how destructive is that? Actually? It's not fully restorative, is it? Yeah? Well, I would love to see what would be a great way to turn that is to be like, Okay, have you done coke in
your bathroom? Dereek Comsley and then let's watch to read spiral about the fact that the show is coming out in six months and she's worried, Let's watch them react to like the Twitter, Let's get a camera on them when the show is being is on television and seeing them like spiral, like let's go to that real nous. If we're going to be that honest, let's unveil it entirely. But that's just my taste as an undescripted connoisaur. One day, I think I'll do undscripted television, but only as like
a producer like Pa and be in it. I think it's really interesting to watch the sort of and there was a piece about Lisa, and I believe it was Vulture that did it, but it was like about how she is like the prototypical castmate as producer in a way that's like sort of interesting now in this season when sort of the two worlds, the world that appears on screen and the world that appears behind the cameras um are sort of all falling away, And now there's
rumors that Lisa Rinna's personal life might be explored next season because there's rumors about the Harry Hamlin of it all, and maybe they're living in two different homes. And never forget the way that she reacted to Kim Richards suggesting something about Harry at that dinner when she slammed the glass down and said, don't ever talk about my husband and Kyle Richards ran out of the room when Kim Richards called Eileen Davidson a beast best, how dare you beast?
I love to see Lisa in a moment, um, don't you ever go after my husband? We'll see a Lisa in a moment what do you want out? And she's like getting up at the table. It was really a beautiful, like a beautifully directed scene history. So I think for that Lisa Wren has definitely contributed to a lot of chaos.
I just wonder if she's going to be paying for that. Yes, coming karmically, yes, But but the way you seem to be talking about this thing where you want to see production and the post production aspect of these shows a little bit more um to the four and I feel like maybe it's fun to even just have like a lot of the season be the reunion episodes. Would potentially love that. I love the reunions. I'm like women's slide me up, like this is a this is great, this
is entertaining, um. So I would love I would love to see the seams of just like who's dressing room is bigger than who's, Like, let's do it, let's do it. Apparently we're in for some crazy reunions of Beverly Hills in New York because some women are not even talking to each other. I mean, Lisa Rena was really upset about the Beverly Hills reunion and apparently the New York reunion is like Ramona's come up and I can't wait for Leah. I love Leah. I can't wait for her
to drag Ramona. I want Ramona. I want Ramona destroyed. I really do. Yeah, she I want you to be a classist. Like it's like you're You're like, who the fund do you think you are? Yeah? So, what what are your thoughts on New York? Um? I'm loving New York. Um it is it makes me never want to drink again, That's true. New York keeps me sober, truly, Like's Morgan like throws it back. I'm concerned. Yeah, it's tough and it's about it. That's the theme for New York. I
feel that's like the underlying theme. I mean, I am I saying something that we all already know that we've that we've known go on. But it's like the Leah, the Leah, the Luan and Mastonia and even the Ramona. Let's I mean all of them. It's like they all have this problem with drinking and with dipping back and with falling off the wagon, and it's like this is really, really, really fucking dark, and we're arguably Dorinda is the worst. Yeah,
well you like Direnda. I remember y'all speaking positively about Dirinda back we did. She's mean, she's it's it's tough, it's dark new Dorinda in your life. I used to say I was a little bit of a Dorenda back when when she drank it got a little dark, and then like now, I don't identify with Drinda at all. Honestly, I honestly think that Dorinda needs like to really take
a break and like figure out what's going on. And I don't know if this is cool to say, but like my mother and this is I actually watched Real Housewives this week with my mother and she's never seen it at all. And I watched Beverly Hills and New York with her, and we're going to watch Potomac tomorrow. But um, I've already seen it, but I watched it
again with my mother. But my mother was like, well, in New York, seems like they have a lot more fun together, and I think they might be onto something about the menopause. Like when Sonja and Ramona were talking about how possibly Dorinda maybe going through menopause and they wanted to bring that up with her, and my mother literally said, that's what I was just gonna say, so that could be. Like I hadn't even thought of that,
because why would I think of that? But my mother, as a woman that age, was like, yeah, that's clearly to me. What's going on? Oh wow, wow, Hey I have something to look forward to. Hey, getting to pop off after wondering, I can't wait. I look forward to the day. Who who do you identify with on Roney? Aliah You're a Leiah. You're very much Aliah. I I say it like it is, And if you don't like me, it's like I elevate this ship, like then that's your
taste level. Yeah, you're new, you're exciting, you're fresh, and you you have the back. I'm I'm a Carol, your Carol. Well, I I was team Carroll. I think Carol was right and then we were both Team Carroll. Yeah, we're about Team Carroll obviously and want to get into a five. Well.
I actually think that's why Bethany ended up leaving was a result of the fallout from that storyline, which was a lot of people calling out the fact that they could see Bethany working to make that fight work, because she was looking really ugly in that, like when she said to Early you don't have a career like that
was really messy. And I think that while Bethany, while Bethany is like um, someone that the fan base is never going to be ready to let go of, and she would have to up to leave, I think she sensed a turn in the way that she knows how to play the game on the show and the way it's received now, and I think ultimately like that, combined with the fact that her personal life is just so fraught, she was done. She had to walk away. It's better to walk out on top. That's gonna be my catchphrase
when I do a Housewives of Brooklyn. Alright, I'm leaving in six episodes. You would do six and that would be and that would be like all you would get out of it for your own personal because it's like you're if you're on more than a season, they're gonna come for your life. I've demons. I also do think that Bethany made one final genius move in her tenure at Real High School of New York, which was discover
ring Leah. And now she can say the show is still only good because of me, you know what I mean? Like she she she put that in there at the last second. She was like, remember me, bitch, here's a smaller version of me, a younger version of me, who will the audience will become obsessed with. And I do think Leah has the potential to become the next Bethany. Leah is absolutely taking the throne. And that's why Ramona shook. Yeah,
you're right, You're right. And Ramona was always about pleasing Bethany. It was always about seeking some sort of validation from Bethany. And it was never hers to lose. It was like Taylor Swift's August, it was never Ramotus to lose the throne. W thank you. I think it's time to move on. But this reminds me of and I don't think so, honey, um sort of moment in history which is when ze Way pulled Sasha and Aliah Obama out of the troll Bowl and refused to play the game. I don't think so, honey,
she said, I don't think so, honey. I'm not doing this and screamed into the mic for nearly a whole minute, and we had to just accept that the Way was not playing ball with I don't think so, honey, Sasha Emilia revolutionary what we did it? So I was like, I was like, you know what, that's a good way to go out. No, oh, my God's way when we do it again. No, I mean that was that was a historic moment and an archaic revolutionary. You put us in our place. We had no right to We had
no right to ask you to do that. It was totally on brand. Fiew. Well we did, and the troll ball asked you to do that. Yeah, I think I picked one from the troull ball and I didn't know who it was. It was like a theater person. And then I picked black woman at all costs. Yes, I get it, and it was very right of you to say fuck no to the system. Um, and who knows, maybe we'll see it again. But Bowen, what is I
don't think so honey, I don't think so honey. Is our segment where we take one minute to rail against something in the culture while saying the words I don't think, so honey. Um, so Matt, I think you have something I do. I just want to say it before I do it. I do not think so honey, Bill Clinton, and I don't think we should be hanging on to Bill Clinton. And I really think we need to fucking move on as a country. And I'm sure you agree with the way. I would love to interview Bill. I
think you would be an iconic guest. And that's her way of saying that she agrees with me. But I do I did prepare another one. Okay, wonderful. This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so honey, and his time starts now. I don't think so honey. Ring Tones being able to be heard, sounds being on on your phone, I don't think so honey, ring tones not on bop in the bunch, it's all dang. It sucks you think of hell when a ring tone plays, because ring tones
are commonly I don't think so honey. Alarm clocks, which are and wake you up. I don't think so honey, ring tones when they're on. I'm being around my parents a lot and they have the sounds on all the time, and I'm like, dear God, everyone is right next to you. Maybe you could just turn it on silent or vibrate. These things vibrates so loud. Anyway, I don't think so many that we need them to be on. They are
so annoying. There's not one cool ring tone sound. Honestly, how about this, Turn your ring tone on and all of a sudden whop plays by Megan the Stallion and Cardi b Just kidding, because then I'd be irritated with because it's a ring tone. I don't ring tones, only silent tones, a k A. Nothing. I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. So you're saying anything that's a ring tone is automatically like invalid. It's it's you can't
phone sounds are out, they're canceled, they're done. Stop And I'm telling you, when you get a text and it goes shut up, it is so annoying. And now that you know you're texting with someone, guess what you can do? Turn your ring tone sound off. Like now you know that you're in the middle of a conversation you're engaging with someone. Just do that. I don't need to hear the ring of ling a ling a linga. Yeah, yeah, you feel this way. I feel this way. I really do.
I have nothing to add. I'm just supporting you. Thank you as well, and with that support, gonna We're gonna move. Did you still call yourself an iconic guest? Ring Tones? Oh, would be an iconic guest. I would love to Tones to the Instagram. I would love to bring myself to the Instagram live show like buy if I brought myself to like my people, I mean, who would be who would be the Will cheer Jada in that situation? Like it would be it would be like your parents or
something like like who would that be? I don't know, maybe like like an ex boyfriend who has seen me at my worst? Yeah, oh that's fine, could bring you to the Red Table. Yeah? Do you watch The Red Table? Yeah? I watch I watched the like the hits, like the Jordan's one. Yeah, I watched that one. It's like, so you saw Will and Jada when they brought themselves to the Red Table. Of course, it was really dramatic and intense. I felt like I was a boy year like I
I didn't think I should it so intimate. That's what I want to see in real housewibs, Well, what was like? I think Vulture wrote about how like that was very unusual in terms of celebrity marriage culture, where it's like you never really get to see a conversation like this, like like like the one that Jada and Well had because we're so we're so sort of trained in this traditional media sense that like marriages go through a hardship
in this model. But I mean that was, like, I thought that was pretty huge, and that was all anyone talked about that day. It was iconic. It was iconic. I I, when I get a divorce, you better believe I'm going to milk that on my daytime talk show. Honey, m Yeah, it's gonna be a topic of your own entanglements will be unentangled. Um okay, So, Bowe Yang, are you ready with your I don't think so, honey, I'm ready. Well that's good because this is Bowen Yang's I don't
think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so many people saying I can't believe in you. We have to save the postal service. It's like, get over your fucking like snarky ass like disbelief. Who cares. We are beyond disbelief at this point, Like every other dystopic thing has led us up to this point, that should come as no surprise. Absolute power, absolute corruption should come as no surprise. So yes, buy a sheet of stamps,
but don't fucking like roll your eyes on ridiculous. The circumstances are thank you're at unfortunately, so yes, there's no need for like a snide comment on it. I don't. You don't have to editorialize your own responsibility, as it were, and it is an unfortunate responsibility to to help the postal services funding. I mean, it sucks. It's unfortunate. You do not have to contribute to the conversation by saying, isn't this crazy? I'm so over this. No, you're not.
You're you are pressed under the thumb of fascism. And that's one minute. Yeah we should um, thank you Boonen for bringing that up, because the United States postal services under attack. It's being dismantled as we speak, and Trump is gaslighting the country by tweeting save the post Office, and he will try to blame it on the Democrats is and entirely of his own making. And we have
to like honestly support this and everywhere we can. And it's not just buying stamps and sending money directly, like do do the most to say the least. I'm staying, there's just and this is not like a weird dumb in fighty thing. It's like I'm saying, there's just like weird sort of uh notion around people being like, wow, can you believe this? This is the world we're in. It's like, yeah, it is, unfortunately, but like you don't have to remark on it. It's wompwomp culture, and it's
it's so annoying. It's wompwomp. Can you believe this culture? It's like, yeah, believe we're we've been believing it. Believe it. Yeah, It's like what what could have ever led to this moment in time? It's like everything have you read that? Everything? The book? Like, what are you talking about this? There are no surprises here? Yeah, exactly exactly way this is is this is going to be you'd be an iconic guest this, this would be an iconic I don't think so, honey,
This is the uways. I don't think so, honey. Hard time starts now, Okay, I don't think so honey. Unpaid black labor. You guys got me on here writing joke. You what in the world am I getting paid from? Honey? Are you cutting it? Because I want I am a black woman, I have forever, and I deserve to be made for my time, and I don't think so honey is asking me to do work. And this goes out to all the black ladies out there who are working for free. Don't do it, and Matt in your lives,
thank you, thank you so much for the offer. But I think I'm going to pass this time. Every day I learned a lesson, so you don't have to. So this is really to submit to the fact that I have to work for free right now and also frequently. And so we'll stop because we have to unite together and unionize. Five seconds, Viva People, and that's all culture number seventy seven. V Viva that people. Might be a good title of Viva people is a good title up
the way, I want you to name a number. Yeah, I wonder know how much do you want for that? Seven dollars? No, we can't spend seven grand for the whole episode. High this I have to get z Jr. No, Matt, that's Matt. I reject the notion that Matt thinks it's too high. You think that seven thousand dollars is what Zo deserves for this podcast episode. I am not the person to praise Instagram and Twitter, but I do you think that I'm worth seven thousand dollars? We're going to
figure this out. We're going to figure this well has that expensible income? So I actually don't. I actually do not. I am bone dry cash wise at the moment, and yet here he is offering up so I guess he thinks that I'm going to take this one on the him. It's it's no, no, no, no, Oh my god. Right, okay, this is what I was saying earlier. Grafting on a victim and narrative is so dangerous when you are not the victim. The question for both of you who aren't victims,
what is a black woman worth everything? Everything? Check your v MO, check your gun, nothing, Oh my god. Working out is the way. We're so sorry that we had we had brought you onto the show under the pretenses of unpaid black labor. And we will. We are at the problem. We will make it. We will make we will do right by that. Ultimately, you actually played right into the trap because you give us an amazing I don't think so honey, And thank you for everyone, everyone,
everyone stops turn this off and not jumps amazing. I don't think so honey, an amazing whole episode. Who is you? Damn thanks for having me. This is so far we love so great? Um is that when you but is that the quote the pull quote from the things, so, honey was black women don't say this was so fun? Things for the offer? Oh no, but that was when the that was when the offer goes out right you. Oh no, you're right. I did actually just repeat I
did do that. That's the conditioning, that's the tragedy. Eve internalized, Eve internalized dead. We all have to examine this, right. We're are part of the problem. I am part of the problem every day. Um well, listen, you're an absolute fool if you're not following at z way and at a f Really, there's what was taken. I am currently in a war with the woman who has z A z way on Instagram. Um, I she has blocked me on my main and I every day listening. Please support
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