“The Hills are Alive with the Sound of Cumbia“ (w/ Oscar Montoya)

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is the beginning of Blessed by Christina Aguilera. We were just talking about this and we were just um and we had to really hold off on recording because Matt was masticating on a goddamn peanut colata muffin, which is the most thank and the reason I started to sing bless Yes, it's because we are because of how I feel today with this guest, Honey, bless up, which is something we've been saying a lot in l A. I

don't know. Will we carry it back to us when we get back to New York stay tuned, However, for this moment right now, we feel certainly that way. Certainly I feel the need to say blessed up with our guest. Let's go through the credits. Matt, I would love to list off some of these credits. He is on the UCB Harold team Nomy Malone and if you thought that was enough, he's also on the uc B MA team the summer of because guess what, it wasn't enough. It

wasn't enough. And he's a little double dipper, Honey. He's a versatile queen, versatile crocodile. And you also might know our guests from his amazing series UM where he reads on Facebook live Tyra Banks's amazing novel Mono Land with Special Guests UM. And you might also know him from his monthly show I Will Always Love You uh U CBS uh inter sinct him. He is known as the Oprah of improv. He's the Oprah of improv, the Opera of comedy, the Oprah of my life. Everyone, please welcome Oscar.

Were the kindest words I've ever heard anyone saying about Bich. We are kind here. Did you ever forget it? Here's the thing. I wouldn't just say it, you want to. People have said that to me. They've said, you know, Oscar as a as an improv coach, he's like Oprah, and I will say this and this is like sentimental as this is. I will say this is sentimental as hell. And I said, I've said this to Oscar. Fully we're

going into this. I'm just saying, I just want to get this out there, just to hop on the Oprah of improv thing. I would not be doing half the should I we be doing in comedy and the Live a comedy space if it weren't for Oscar. One toy because he helped me co host my first variety show with him, which is called Ethnic Realness and still doing it. We're still doing it. On Saturday was a um Oscar, I'll have Oscar to thank We all have Oscar to thank. Stop it. How are you? I am doing great? Thank

you so much for having me on this podcast. It's legendary. It's why we came to l I was to have you on this podcast. I'm not that's a part of the reason. It's part of we did literally say like, oh, we'll be in l A. We're doing some shows with Papa Ulette at ucb um. Well but it'll they'll be a long over by the time, but look at us, look us up online. But anyway, I was like, and now we can get Oscar on culture, which was part

of the planet along. We tried to orchestra this when Oscar was in New York a few months and not everything is meant to be orchestrated. It wasn't that it just happened. Sometimes the magic just happens, and we have to love the magic to happen. And the magic is happening right now. And that's why they call him the Oprah the honey. Sometimes there the magic just doesn't come. Magic one you're telling me honey, wave, oh girl, I

need I need some magic right about now. But you know what you could say, I need a hero, a hero of the night. You guys are my children. You know that I feel very much like mother love and just like you guys are my children. I do feel that way. And I'm so proud of my children. You know what I mean. And I only say children because I'm like twice your age. Yes, that is true, you know what I mean. False, No, it's true. It's okay, Okay, it's okay. Um. It was Oscar's Birthdayscar is sixty, sixty

years old, Oscar. It was cloth mug, honey clotha mug. I look like in my thirties, but I'm sixty years old, Oscar. It was your birthday. Recently, you had sent everybody on a scavenger hunt. It was called hashtag scavenger hunt. Hoya. That's hilarious right now. I would not do now, now that I'm in my late twenties, I would not dare do a scavenge hunt, except if it was for Oscar Montoya. What did you Why wouldn't you do? You would feel like you would feel like, what am I doing playing

the role of a child? I'd be like, what am I doing playing the role of a nineteen year old? Absolutely? Yeah, there's a little bit of that. But that's cute. But with Oscar though, like it will be a curated experience. Don't, honey, don't. It was fun. It was really really fun. All the scavenger hunts was I mean, like, I rarely indulge in myself. That's not part of what I do. What I do. Um, But I had two very good friends planned this whole thing because it was a surprise. I had no idea

what they were doing this. I had no idea this was happening. So they got a whole bunch of us together and they did a scavenger hunt. And all of these things that we had to do were related to the stuff that I was into. For example, um, we had to take pictures in front of um like, haunted houses all throughout Los Angeles. And you know me and I love my haunted mythology I do. Do you love a gag that is a created haunted house or do

you need the real thing? I need those real life testimonials, Darlene. So you you're not the type to roll through an experience that is a haunted house with live actors. Oh, I can get into it, but it's like fake, do you know what I mean? It's like I'm like, okay, yeah, okay, these are like it's actors just like giving it. They're all which is it's fun. It's funny and camp and cute, right, But for me, the true gag is going into like para normal situation. Like that's the gag for me, I

like truly love. You know you've been to my house. I'm not gonna say my house is haunted, but it definitely gives the vibe of a haunted hot house. That house is as old as time. I kid you not. It's called my my house is sold. It has a name, okay, and her name is Mara Mara. It's the Mayra House. And I live on the second floor. The first floor, my landlord lives there. His name is Stanley. He's a very fun, roly poly dandy man. Do you know what

I mean? He's just so fun. Sure, and you're saying like an earthWhile actress was murdered there, Probably I'm saying is that he collects a lot of garbage. Just he's a very big like you know, like shopper. You've seen it. It's just it's got a lot of chat keys, right, And I'd like to think that there's some there's a spirit in in in each one of those chat do you know what I mean. I mean I've never I haven't had like an experience yet. Like I like to

think that one day it'll happen. One day it'll happen for Oscar. Oscar invites it because this is my favorite Oscar Montoya story. Ever, one day we were hanging out and then Oscar was ringing shorts and then I saw on his leg a new tattoo of a screaming cat face. Yes, And I go, Oscar, is that a new tattoo? He goes, yeah,

And I was like, well, what is that? And he goes and just so casually it was just like, um, I walked into an antique shop or like an enchantment shop and I saw a terrible with a screaming cat face on it, and I was like, I have to put that on my body, and she did, and I was like, Oscar, that is a tattoo. But then, but then that really was a tied change for me because I was like, oh, this is just what people with tattoos do. It's like they want a certain image on

their body. You don't have any neither of you have tattoos. No, But it took me the longest time to come around to this idea of it doesn't matter what you put on your body. And like I literally I was with Matt and Austin a few weeks ago and I was we were walking down the street and I was like, there was tattoo Parliament. I was like, what if I just got a tattoo here? And like what if entertainment entertain that? But you know it would it be? I said no, because for me it's I had to take

a different perspective on it. And maybe some of the listeners you know in the comments below they feel comfortably, it's like for me, it's like I I understand, like I get if anyone could do whatever the funk they want. For me, it's just like, I don't think it would make a lot of sense for me and the person I am and who lives up and here at the point in my brain to put something on my body because I would hate it the next day and I would feel like, I mean a mistake, and I would

get rill in my head about it. I think it's just a different ideology. And you're saying in the moment, like what if I just got a tattoo. I think was more to posit the question and less because you actually really wanted to know. But it's the feeling struck me, like the faintest hint of the desire struck me as like I want a tattoo. I want one now. I think that's a human thing. Sure, I mean, yeah, we've all thought it. We've all thought it, We've all we've

all entertained that notion. Do you know what I mean? What would you get gun to your head? What would you get right now if you had to get a tatto that? Honestly, and this is not just because it's top of mind the screaming cafes. The same tattoo that Oscar has, which is I create this it it's a weird as but it's like the fact that that image is still stuffed stopping me. I think I love that tattoo so much. I love all of my tattoos, and I have some of the dumbest tattoos in the history.

There's not one that you're like this one. Nope, no regrets. My first ever tattoo. As soon as I turned eighteen, I went to the tattoo parlor and the fucking West Village in like a rinky dink like who Cares tattoo parlor and was like, I want a Power Ranger's logo on my arm and it's gigantic and it's I mean, like a power mighty morphin Power Rangers tattoo. I have the Lightning Bolt. It's I love it. I love it so much. People who see it are like, oh, you're

you love gatorade, don't you. I'm like, okay, okay, this is straight. This is how many do you have? Right now? I have fourteen tattoos and the will being I have a question for you, Oscar. I feel like my default, I will assume that nobody with the tattoo owes anybody else the story behind the tattoo, because it's it feels maybe a little invasive to be like, what's the meaning behind this? But how do you what's your take on that? Oh? No,

esk away like, I love that. But but honestly, most of these, most of these tattoos don't even have stories. Most of these are just like I love dinosaurs. I mean, there's like two themes that are going on in my tattoo story, um, and that is dinosaurs and spooky imagery like I have a Medusa decapitated, a Medusa head on my you know what in my on my leg like a lot of cats, you know, ghosts, um mummies. You know what I mean? I want to write a Rangers

to Dinosaurs. Yes, yes, oh there's a clear kind of that's right. Well that's on dinosaur. But but see all of these images, all of this imagery works with Oscar because he hasn't been found sense of who he is. Yeah, me too, And I'm the person who screams mastered on when I asked the name a dinosaur. Wait, we have to talk about Oscar and I talked about the Power Rangers maybe. Okay, did you see it? Yes, we talked together. Okay, Okay, all went out to who ever made it? Okay, I'll

tell you who I who. I owe it all too. It's miss Elizabeth Banks Darling Oscar nominee revelation. I think Oscar nominie when when when her reaction was just the one thing I didn't even think it was how. I think it was just it. She saw what was in front of her and her reaction was to be like she really and she got lost in that role. I truly believe there was not an ounce of Elizabeth Banks there at all. It was all read of Repulsa. I also really dig the mythology that the movie has laid

out for us. In fact, that's sorry spoilers ahead, um, the fact that she used to be the Green Rangers into it because here's the oh no, here we go. It didn't really make sense because that took place like millions and millions of years ago, right like we would say billions. Yeah, okay, So how did you have a name like rid A repose? Okay, fine, okay, fine, it was weird. Everyone had weird alien names, and damn disbelief

for one second. But but what if what if Rita meant something else in some other you know, weird alien language. You know what I mean? Repulsa translates to like, I don't know, Vivica Monroe a fox, but that's a fair

row is a drag name by the funniest. Okay, so I have to say this there is I was, um recently, um like sitting in on auditions for teams at UCB, and you know, like people name names all the time and you just forget or whatever, and one one name that I will stick with me forever and ever and ever. Someone his name is Chase McGowan. He's so funny. He just named himself very nique Glass and I truly gagged. I truly died. I I whooped and hollered like a

damn fool. It was the funniest thing every Glass Like, we need to have more fun with names. I love creating names. I think it's it's it's a wonderful opportunity. Seriously, you want to know what my drag name would be? Oh, please tell me, miss Anya rhysm on your rhythm? What would be your like? What kind of crime would you be? I would be the kind of queen who was sickening but also a comedy. I would literally, so honestly, hold on, I'm gonna get up a second for a second, because

I'm gonna do what. Okay, when I do drag one day and get on upas miss on your rhythm always enters the runway like this, Oh she had to take her I'm just gonna all right, here we go. Okay, this is real. This is the first Yeah, slow sultry walk. Oh she has a horrible headache and then now she's ready, Oh my gosh, yes she stops, she stomps, she stops, she gets a searing pain in her head, and then

she keeps stomping because that's right. She gets like a throbbing migraine, and then she writes herself and then it's just fierce the un and like every now and then, like her head throbs. But my, I'm a headache queen. I love it. I love it. That's where your power is. That's where the power, yeah, I think. And I also think like she is like very much like a fashion she's like, you know, she's a comedy queen because she because she's a comedy queen, like she met. I love.

I love that, you said. Okay, I was. I was about to point this out that when we talk about our drag alter egoes, which we all do as gay man, we all have a like a drag queen fetus inside of us and we just have to nurture it and you know, raise it. And my question is do we say I when we refer to you this trac queen alter ego or she? Matt, you just said she, but

you also said she refraings yourself. So to me, none of the to me words don't mean anything like so I could talk, I could say anything, I mean anything. So basically I was not bound by words. I'm sure, I'm sure, yeah, I'm not bound my language. It's like she as because I wanted us to picture her exterior, you know what I mean. I was saying, she to

paint a portrait of her. Right, Bruce Wayne would never refer to Batman as he would never referred to himself as I right, Batman, even though he has said I am Batman. Okay, but like in a in a quit like if he was geving with the girls, and let's just say Batman was a fop, you know what I mean? And he was. He was having brunch with his Justice League friends, and he was as Bruce Wayne. Everyone is not in costume. This is not a costumes the themed brunch, like, oh,

let's be ourselves here. Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne are are hanging out together as Kent and Bruce Way exactly at me and because you know they're all from L A l A and um the brunch Mickey's ham and egg Batman, I mean not Batman. Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent would be talking about she Batman and Superman. She Okay, we go, and basically it would be like if I was Bruce Wayne and Bowen was Clark Kent and he came and sat down and I was waiting for her, I'd be like, she got into it last night with

the police, didn't she okay? Bit? And then I would I would clap back and be like, well, she doesn't have a mansion with a basement. I don't want to do with Mimosa. Honey, you Mimosa, not she. I didn't want to hurt nothing and stay out of my city. Well she better not order me just egg whites. But why are you fighting right away? Because we're adversary? Batman, Superman? Did you see the Ben Affleck flick? Girl to pass

on ben Affleck? I skip better. Well we're gonna have to see him again in that sequel, you know what I mean. But it's a hard it's a hard note for me on ben Affleck. He seems miserable and person like he boxed it up in Daredevil, and they were still like, let's give him another chance, but not Marvel. Let's let's let's see if he flourishes in d C And he didn't, did not rise to the occasion. It's not even him as an actor. I think he's fine. It's just like I just don't want him to get

my money, you know what I mean. He just seems like such are I think if you get cast as two superheroes and two different franchises, not even in the same whatever, you like Ryan Reynolds, like Ryan Reynolds, I mean there is there have been people, you know what I mean, they're a shortage, like they should just like take people take a sabbatical. If you're Chris Evans, Ryan Reynolds or Ben Affleck, just take like a decade off, because honestly, you've made enough money to pay for fucking

you do not need to be another Chris Evans. Actually, once he butts Captain America, he was like, okay, I'm he actually said an interview. He's like, I'm actually done acting. He's like, I'm just gonna do this. And he's in the one movie with Jenny Slate that's coming out right

and his daughter is very gifted. But I think he just was like, oh, I have I have the ability to I think he read the script and was like, I have the ability to get this made because of who I am, So I want to do it because I like the script, but he actually is one that if you notice, it's not because he doesn't have time, because Scarlet Johanson isn't all of them too, and she works down, but he doesn't do much else besides like smaller passion projecting movies. And I think it's because he

said he was like, he's actually very cool. Yeah that's what. He's very smart too. Um, but I don't know him, so whatever. Um, but in my mind, I would love to live in a world where every single celebrity gets one shot at playing a superhero and if they suck it up by you're banished from the celebrity center. My dream, because they're all idology, because all means come, come come, um my rule. This was back when the whole fucking

Taylor Swift snapchat Kim Kardashian snapchat thing came out. I tweeted out, wait for those for those not in the know, recap, so Kim Kardashian, so Taylor Swift. Back when Life of Pablo came out, which Kanye West album, Kanye West had a lyric in a song called Famous that he said, Taylor Swift, I made that bitch famous or something like that. Um, and Taylor came out and said, I never agreed. This is horrible. How dare Kanye West call me that never

asked me for permission for this? That was what it was. It was over permissions her name and call her a bit and say I feel like me and Taylor might still have sex, and it was like objectionable lyrics, right, And then so Kim Kardashian went to to some some press people and was like, well, I actually have video of her confirming this, and then after a week or so, she finally released all of them via Snapchat and it

was like the Taylor Swift is Over party. So literally, video of Kanye West on the phone with Taylor Swift on speaker phone. You can hear her say that it's okay, that's and she's encouraging him. Yeah, so it's catching her in an explicit lie for her to yeah. So then so as soon as that whole thing broke, I was like, this is so stupid, and I tweeted there should be a rule that once you get famous, you have like three years to live and then we just kill you.

Like that's just I don't hate that is bold. I don't hate that. I don't hate that after three years. Three years is like when you know, after three years you start decomposing a little or there should be like if you're famous for a frivolous thing, and who can be the judge? I guess, but like I don't know.

I was just like so when that all happened, I remember saying, like, I honestly wouldn't care if we wiped the slate totally clean and got rid of, not got rid of in terms of they died, but like if none of these people retired, retire them, I don't care. Let me ask Let me ask you a question, bo, and you are a vicious, heartless monster. He is a group. I mean, it is gruish in here. He comes in with the grew and lays it down, and it is

getting a little grooey in here from my taste. If you ask me which you WoT girl with fends, I cannot know, for it is not a despicable reference. It is It's just a name that I can apply to, no affiliation up from us. Absolutely, Okay. Let me ask you, guys, this which icon and I'm talking about the icon? Yes, okay, are consistently perfect throughout their careers. Okay. Um Sandra Oh, okay, this is a whole different vibe. This is a whole apples and oranges here. What's going on? What are we

happening about? Icon? Are you talking about like little cultural icon? Sant She's not a cultural I think are our icon? Beyonce? Let me let me think, do you think she's Here's what I'll say. Beyonce um in a real way, but in a consistent and fluid way, has been able to truly reinvent herself in a way that was always not

only interesting but also very artistic and progressive. Whereas you could argue, and I'm not necessarily arguing this that Santra definitely did that movie with Anna after she did anyway, No, but but, but I was going to say, you could argue in a way that she has never truly slipped up in a way like I'm gonna I'm gonna play the Devil's advocate here and say that her shelf life maybe isn't as long as the other icon. You know what I mean. She's like, she's one of the new words.

She is the newest icon. I would say, so has been a thing for almost twenty years. Twenty years. If you actually think when the entity of Beyonce come to fruition. I remember saying, Sasha firist. That was when she was like, okay, new gay agreed. And how long ago was that? Okay? Are we talking about when she became a seven years ago or how long she's been doing very influential work, because that you could say, get back to early Destiny's Child, like how early? And I did this? No, no, no,

part two. I'm saying once say my Name came out, they were here to stay and that came out in oh oh, you're talking about the writings on the wall Destiny. Of course I am talking about Destiny's Child. Here's the thing, listen, it's like, I just want to first correct Sasha came out in two, which is nine years ago. I'm so sorry, but to say that wasn't an icon until that's like what do you say? What did you sleep through? Crazy and love? Sure? I mean, okay, yeah, I'm so sorry.

I don't apologize. Make your points. Well, no, I'm not just Oscar's being Devil's advocate here. I think Beyonce will last for generations and we're going to see here. You think she's going to be absolutely you think she's going to out iconicize Madonna. Yes, absolutely, Wow, Madonna has like so many slip ups it's insane. I mean, I agree with that. Beyonce is never never. I just grabbed it so cute. She's she's never going to resort to hijinks. Okay.

And and Madonna is trapsing around here and she's performing Hydra. It's a gimmick. She's giving you kissing Brittany at the at the at the and Christina. Let's not forget she also kissed Christina. Why do we keep forgetting that? My friend, our friend, Colin cord aposty years ago, text to me one time out of nowhere, remember when Beyonce was disgusted like it was like, Beyonce is not a true a because she was Amice. I'll tell you, I'll tell you well.

Remember her early lyric. I'm not going to come from Masma Christianity. I'm not going to whatever. Um Okay, can I answer because my mama taught me better, because I facetiously gave the answer of Sandra is the most consistent icon. But I guess she's on an icon. I guess. I mean you gotta say, I'm gonna say, you can't say Gaga. I'm not gonna say Gaga. I'm gonna say, why can't he say Gaga? Because she's not consistent? Because it wasn't consistent.

It's not not amazing, it's not consistent. What was her lowest point? Our pop? A lot of people would just you know, I think I think her outside high drinks, around the art, her extracurriculars, her extracurricular activities around the art pop era. Because she came to school with a good project, you know what I mean. It was the fact that she was smoking cigarettes outside that got her in detention, you know, girl, And we put her, We certainly did. We were the ones who put her intention

she hung out with the bad kids like Marino Brama Vack. Honey, let's say what you were saying. Well, I'm really drawing a blank here, but I want to say out of all fields. This is such a boring answer, But I guess Mary, but she's not even like ricking the Flash. That's literally what I was gonna say. That wasn't her fault. That wasn't her fault. That was Diablo Cody's fault. Okay, okay, god Oscar, you give your answer. What is who is

the icon. Who will the more the most consistent icon, girl, The most consistent icon to me is not it's it's mini Mouse girl. It's like a cartoon Carl. We just that brand is like brand. Okay, well then what well then what? First of all, I'm pissed Mini Mouse, Daisy duck, bitch, that's a true icon. Who shut the funk up? Name one thing about Daisy Duck or minimouse that is like personal that the brand, Honey, cartoon characters what they can't

be legendary if they're not. Mini mouse is anti feminists, Minimouse, mini mouse is it's the mail gig. Are not sent any beans who can make decisions about their careers and they're creative. Okay, No, No, that's the exist because in Mickey exist and that is the male g yet and yet they've risen above Honey, There, Honey is when is her album coming out? You don't need an album, Mini Mouse, She doesn't need to come up with an album. She's fine.

Where she's gonna be wearing her polka dot dress looking cute as fuck. Okay, she's gonna wear a bow an on her head and be like, I'm snatched for the gods. Darling Disney snatched the rib from Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck and crafted a female version. Why do you have to make a religious girl? Why do you have to go there? Here's the icon who will Who has been consistent is Jesus Christ. Yeah, he's right, and you can't say anything about Jesus not on this weekend. True consistent

icon Jesus Christ, Mary Mother Mary, Mother Mary Honey. She stayed consistent without the years. Let's look into our religious icons for guys. I have one RuPaul, but has been consistent. Star Booty, she looks pretty rough when she was on Project Thank You. Oh my gosh, she did look so she looked like sick. Actually, I was like, but you know what, though, it's better that she had rough times because that's why we need so bad, because we know

she's seen the dark. The thing is with Beyonce and you you could say this works against her her relatability, which I know is not the point of Beyonce, that she is supposed to stand for perfection. But we haven't see herself up and like, I don't know. It's like, even when it would be impossible not to, she hasn't. I'm just you know, not not that I'm against Beyonce at all, because I'm not. I do think she's sickening. I'm just so tired of her being the go to answer,

do you know what I mean? Just like and also also, but you asked about consistency and consistency and perfection. I believe do live in the same world if we're talking about consistently like in terms of like what they bring, and they always bring that. I think pretty pretty much Rhon has always been on brand. She's always giving you messy ass ree. Yeah, people don't feel that as much as they feel Beyonce. Beyonce is just like a universal Yes,

this is good. Briana is like this is good, but like hmmmmmm okay, you know, well, who is consistently inconsistent and like all over the fucking places Demi Levado. And you gotta give props collaps to Demi Levado for never figuring her ship out but still being fun to listen to. Wow, I have to say, I don't think it's okay to come for Demi. I'm not a you. You don't think

she's do you think she's no fun? She's still interesting to watch because it's like girl, you gotta stop announcing your retirement from the industry when you keep coming out with these new albums. She just doesn't know what she wants and it's fine and it's okay. She's just human. You didn't think that her top and the Pool for the summer music video was not the top of the year. Yeah, you know when I watched that video three times in

a row and thought I liked girls. Okay, I mean mentor because DEM's tough girl, or do I want to suck her top? Want? So sorry, I forgot about my mental list of tops of the year, Oscar. We were going to ask you finally the question we asked all of our guests. But this question is um big question and UM take your time, okay, Oscar, Um am I saying that right, Oscar? This question is what is the culture that you, as a young Oscar? I hope I'm saying that right, made you say I want to step

in a cultural direction. What was the culture that defined Oscar mont Oscary say, culture is for me? Oscar Montoya. He was like, okay, I'm influenced in this moment and this will change all to the course of my Oscar Montoya took in something and said, I think culture is a part of me and I can never imagine living without culture. Is he saying there, Oscar Montoya? Yeah, can you say that again, Oscar Monty mont Um, I will

say that I got in college. I got a dance award because I was a dancer in college and oh girl, come on, I'm okay. Um they gave me a plaque that was like, oh answer the year they spell my name Oscar monte Ya, and I was livid. I was like, this is not fair. I worked so hard and they misspelled my name anyway. Um, I just I just want to preface by saying that I, as a human being, only communicate through pop culture. Pop culture is running through my veins as we speak. Okay, I'm a vessel. I'm

a vessel of media, you know what I mean? Like, that's how I communicate with people. When people say I didn't grow up with a TV, delete goodbye because I we won't. We just won't talk. That's it. People who say I don't like music, goodbye forever. How dare you? Are you even human being? Sorry? You've heard people say that there was there was a crazy kid in my elementary school who said he didn't like music. And then I checked back in with him in high school and

he still didn't like music. And I was like, you know what I mean, what what is that? And they're always crazy, all of them. So you com you communicate in pop culture, do and I'll tell you why. And I'll tell you why because I was not born in America. I'm an immigrant, Okay. I was born in Colombia. And I was born in a village in Colombia. Okay, like you know, dirt roads, like no tea, I mean, like just like we had. I remember when I was like six, we had a black and white box, huge s box TV.

And it was like my life changed forever, okay. And I would watch, um, bay Watched Nights, not the original but the spinoff Baywatch Nights, obsessed with it because it's like, you know, flirted with paranormal stuff. And I was just obsessed that nineties TV show The Renegade Obsessed. These are all shows that my grandma loved watching, so I loved watching you know what I mean, That's the kind of media that I consumed. Um. So, then coming here as like a like a tween, I would say, um, that's

all I want all I want. I was just obsessed with media culture TV, you know, movies, music, video games, and it was like you know, and especially American media, just like all about it. So I mean, you want to talk about it, let's talk about That's exactly why you're here, Okay, honey, you are a true culture so like, look, look at this, this episode is already a special line. We just went right into it. We did. We went right into it even before this this got recorded, and

we're plunging even further. Yes we are. Let's Jack who still the ship out of this James Cameron doing research for the film. That's right now. I want to know about of course, that's the abyss. The abyss because everybody saw, um, Oscar, what got you into dancing? I don't even think I really know this about you? Oh dancing. I did it in Colombia. I did something called Columbia, which is like the kind of folkloric dancing of Columbia. UM. And it was like very cute. I have pictures where I'm just

like whatever, um. And then when I came here, you know, there was no cute twirling. I was twirling darling when I moved here. They didn't really have that. So I was like, you know that I found like modern contemporary movement and I was like, oh, that speaks to me, um, And then that's something that I've done, you know, until I discovered comedy. And then that all went out the window. Did you discover comedy? Um? A roommate of mine, his name was Chopper, and that's the name I gave him

because he wanted people to take him more seriously. So I was like, just change your name. Do you want to people take him seriously? Aizing him? You can't be born into this world, so let me his name was. His name is Christian Jacobs, which you know, by all means is a normal, sort of okay name. But the name like Chopper, which he still goes by to this day.

Do you know what I mean? I identified because I was born with the name Matt Rogers, and I have had to fight and now it's now it's a household name, Darling. I have had to fight. You're a fighter. It's okay. But because when you in the Google search, you see a lot of people, a lot, and one of them is an American idol contested, and one of them is a horribly offensive comedy singer and what does that mean? Comedy singer. There's a song called suck on My sock, on my sock on my cock to the tune of

jingle Bell Rock and guys come on all together. Sucko, ma, suck o, suck on my cock. No, it's not even suck on my cock. It's it's suck on my cock. He doesn't even get the rhythm though, And then to tell people that I do musical sketch, that like music is a part of my comedy, and they search and they're like, well, this must be it. My god, no, that is not. That's not my cock isn't necessarily just the title, it's not necessarily off brand, No, it's not.

It's pretty adjacent. So it's like, okay, I'm I'm a look every day I do panic about it. Chopper Comedy, Chopper he I was roommates with him, and here's the thing. I was performing, but I also had really bad stage fright um and like also social anxiety um. And my roommate, you know, Chopper was like, you should take an improv class, um, And I'm like, no, no, no, I do not do comedy. I'm not a funny person. No, no, no, Um, I can't like there's no, I don't. I didn't know what

improv was, like, none of that. And you didn't associate as a funny person. No never, no, no no no no no never never never. That was never part of my gig ever. Um And he was like, no, I think it's good because it'll make you feel comfortable around people. And it was just like loosen you up around people. And not a lot of comedians are taking these classes. There's like lawyers and accountants and all that teachers. And

I'm like, okay, great. So I took a class, my first ever class with um the Goddess Betsy Stover at you see at UCB, and hated it. Not because of Betsy, she was so great, but because everyone in that class was so thirsty to be on essent now you know what I mean. Like this is like one oh one class. People don't even know how to talk to each other, and they're like I want to be well fair all you know, and I'm just like I want to like

just talk to people. So like freaked me out. It scared me, and then I just kind of stopped doing it because I was like, this is not for me. This is terrifying but the whole time I was just obsessed with it. I couldn't stop thinking about it, just like the intricacies of like what improv is the fact that you're like creating something made up, like there's no script at all. I was just like I went to

every show. I was just like obsessed. For two years, I didn't do improv, but I watched it all the time. After two years, I was like, what am I doing? Like there, I have to go back, Like I gotta do this. I gotta do this. So I went to a place called the People's Improv Theater and changed my life. I took one class there with Kevin Scott, and it changed my Every single thing made sense to me, and it totally turned my world upside down. I learned how

to be more comfortable with myself. I learned how to be more comfortable with myself around people. I wasn't afraid of like judgment or anything. Like I I stopped being scared of myself and my voice and started just being myself, my like my most comfortable, gay, brown ass self. And it cultivated this sort of confidence on stage that I'd never ever, ever, ever ever ever would have thought I had. You know, what I mean, And now I you know,

and I to comedy. That's that's that's that's improv, bitch. This is real because I first time I ever met Oscar was it a show at the Mondent called Pace That's right, and it was the week of my story Parrots edition. It was just out of college. It was miserable, had no fucking idea what I was doing. I got invited to play at the show by Andrew talking talks Hi Andrew and Sacecar on stage and I was like, Oh, that guy is so fucking funny and look at his

tattoos and look at his hat. He's so cool. Yeah, and then instant when people start and you never forget. I did my set and then Oscar came up to me and was like, hey, that was really funny. I'm Oscar about when do you what do you do? Like, what's your deal? And I was like, oh, I'm auditioning for story parts tomorrow and I don't know how it's gonna go, but I'm excited. And you were like, well, great, good luck whatever, have fun. Um said something very encouraging.

I'm sure, but I forget um. But then after I got on UM, I remember like you were one of the first people to reach out and say congrats, I'm so excited for you. And from there this friendship blossomed. But it was because it was like you clock that as an audience member, even as a performer, just being like that person. And to hear you say that you, to hear you say that you like, were this reticent shy in your person before, it's like crazy, Oh my god,

I remember my very first class. You know, we go around and we talk about ourselves. I had such a severe stutter. I could not even say my own name. Never oh yes, yes, yes, closet it at this time. No, girl, Well I don't know. You contain this, honey, can you contain it? Star? I don't know, bitch. Oh girl, I was out. I was out. I was at at a very early age. Okay, I was out. Okay, So this is the real ty. I was out four years old. I was Cuma in the Hills. She's four years old

doing Cumia in the hills, working it out down. That's right, that's right. The Colombian sign of music. Honey, Yes, hills are alive with the sounds of Cumia. Title of the Hills are Alive with the sounds of cumia. Okay, cool, continue, thanks. But I was in college. I was out. I was telling you. I mean, I was gay. I was a fucking you know what I mean? And I was still any girls because that's just the way. I don't know, because the girl. You know, I don't know how it

is for you guys. But the girls are always thirsty for boys, do you know what I mean? They were always still they were pursuing me still, and I was like, I'm not gonna say no. So I was taking these girls. I mean, like, I don't know, it's a dark time in my past, you know what I mean. The girls were thirsty from a freshman year and then I think I really settled into who I was really was sophomore year, and all of a sudden, I just didn't get interested anymore.

Isn't it interesting how sometimes um no one is interested in But oh my god, now I'm just kidding. Um, did you ever have a girlfriend? Moe? No? Never? Never? Never? Who was your first kiss? Had girls? Um? Oh? First kiss was no? I don't want to say this, Come on, you must come on. Inquiring minds want to know. Okay, first kiss was this girl named Laura? No? Block and she was very but it was just a kind of a it was like a half Joe. Oh my god, you guys in middle school. This is all coming back

to me. These kids at my lunch table who I thought were my friends. This is I'm sorry. This is like the third traumatic school story I've shared on this podcast, but um, just throughout the episodes. But uh, these kids at my lunch table. I had such a huge crush on this girl, Beth West and why why did you have a She was just so I mean, like part of it was that she was athletic and it was like a little bit like Bush. But anyway, she was like this half Asian beauty. She was like also like

just like a beautiful person. Um, and she was so funny, and we sat the lunch table together every day, and like I thought they were my friends, and then the entire lunch table decided to be fun to pay bath. She asked me out and date me for like a week. Girl, I that is a similar tale to my spell Oh my god, Junior high schoo cool eighth grade. I had this girl Vanessa. I don't know what her name was. She had Vanessa, Vanessa, Vanessa, that's right, Vanessa Monroe. She

she was like a very let's say, developed girl. Her boobs were gigant, I mean, like novelty size boobs. Down. Titter sound, titters the house down. And um she asked me out and I was like, yeah, of course sure. We dated for three days and this other girl, Elizabeth Selero, who I actually had a crush on because she didn't give a shit about anything and her favorite movie was Empire Records, And at the time I was just like, yes,

she gets me. Um. She come up to me and she's like, you know it's a joke, right, It's a dare. Vanessa dated you because they dared her to date damn it. Um, But yes, not to co op this story experience, but like we share a common bond, like what did monstrous thing? Vidio? Kids are kids. Kids are the worst, they really are. So when you started succeeding in improv in terms of like the way you felt you were personally succeeding as

a person. So then you dove back into classes, yes, fair to say yes, and then um talk about like the rise of of of you, like of Scott, like, because you really did become someone everyone knew. Um, I don't know, I don't know. I don't, I don't know. I can't. I can't answer that. Well, I can say that you did, so it was do you think that it was just because they did? And do you think that it was? I just turned the mic and it went do you think it was because you were emanating

a confidence and a positivity? And can you speak? That's what it is? You know what? Here's here's the thing too. When I was starting to do comedy, like fifty years ago, um, I started a long time ago. Um, there was no one like me. So I thought, my sort of comedy is not valid. The things that I see on stage are the only things that are funny with a capital F. Right to me, that's not the way that I spoke

or communicated. So that means that meant like, if this is true, then what like, then I am not funny messenger, Like we saw the same kind of people, and you know what kind of people I'm talking about the age talking the same language, speaking the exact same way, and having everyone just laugh up. Early when I would just be like, I do not get this, do you know what I mean? So I was like, oh my, I am not valid. I'm not I don't exist in this world.

And that's fine. Um, I'm gonna find something else, you know what I mean. But when the moment where I was like m okay was when I saw people like Jeff Hiller, Jeff blessed up, someone named Jess Allen from the People's Improv Theater, you know what I mean, Like true individuals vision like literally stand out. They really do, like stand out, like because they're humor is so different, yes that you're like, wait a second, they're freaks, they're weirdos just like me. And I understand this. Do you

know what I mean? I've seen I've seen people like that make moves where no one laughs except for me. Do you know what I mean? You know what They're up there and it's valid and it counts. We gotta get deep into this, and we're gotta take a break, so we're gonna come back right back because this is the T. This is the true T. This is this is amazing, and we're gonna be right back with Oscar Montoya. This is the true Hollywood story of I'm saying this, Oscar.

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a great deal. It's a great deal. Now, come on, bitch, it's time to go, and we are back with super guest Oscar Montoya super again. Now we were getting into it a little before we took a break about um, you know just how I hate to interrupt. It's been what like forty five an hour and Matt has not touched his muffin has been a lot of muff It's still sort of just there. And it's how I ate

some of the muffin on the break. I didn't want to have my mouthful and be quote unquote masticating, which is a bow and yang asked vocabulary word if I ever heard one? Sad disgusting. Matt Rogers is literally slapping the face of Latin American culture by not by not eating this peanut coloda muffin. How is that so? Because we went to we went to a coffee shop around the corner that producer Bratt and Amy recommended called Tirema. It was gorgeous. I literally as I've been eating it,

and I've been savoring it. Use that on the s A T S savor s A v O R okay T word. I've been thinking to myself, what a gag this muffin is? Okay, Well, then honey, let's all try something. Okay, let's all try. I don't mind at all. And also, I mean, I'm loving the strawberry lemonade tea. Do I think I ordered too big of a size? Yeah, but I do love it. You know, I'm having a hard time tasting the pineapple I tasted a coconut. I guess the cocon up. What the heck? Man, that's good what.

I love the muffin. I'm not saying that I don't love the muffin. I'm just saying, if it's a pina colada muffin, where's the pineapples? A pineapple? But no? Oscar clocked Matt earlier for not loving the muffin enough and for not talking. You didn't eat the muffin top. The muffin top had a lot of good peanut colt of flavor. Okay. I was shocked when we walked into the shop and its headset peanut colada. I was like, you were like I must. I was like, I have to order them,

and said I have to. I actually can't be at a restaurant without ordering a peanut colada. If they offer it, is that's you, that's your drink. That's my jam. Peanut clot over a bloody Mary. Oh, here's the thing. Here's the thing about bloody mary. Though this is a good sun moment. Okay, which one are you gonna drop off a cliff? Bloody Mary. Commonly, when you go into a restaurant and you asked for a bloody mary. They can act like they act as if you're giving them a

hard time. Whereas a peanut colata very commonly will from a machine ready made with the with the liquor already in it, or it's just not a big deal to put the liquor in the glass. They I very rarely see people have to like put it in the blender and actually make a pinic colada anymore. People places that serve peint coladas to have them ready to go. Whereas a bloody mirror you kind of have to put that together.

You can have the mix and a thing, but you still got to put the alcohol in, and you know, you have to garnish, and it's it's a whole it's a whole adventure lamp. So what I'm saying to this question is I would always rather have a bloody mirror where no matter where I am. However, it's a difficult question because I'm sometimes as someone that's in the industry restaurants and I don't want to funk with them, and also I don't ever want to deal with, you know,

being the person that's that person at the restaurant. I never ever want to be the person that's keeping the waiter standing there, which I said to you, yes today you read me for film, because not for nothing. But that was a frustrating situation. But you don't understand. There is anxiety there when I have to order, because I truly don't know. I paralyzed when there's too many choices.

I understand. And at a diner it's like that is that is where I am tested, okay, because it's too many Like, just tell me what to eat and I will eat it as long as there's no onions are peppers because I hate eating those things. You know what. I have a feeling. I'm going to talk about this in a little while. That's all. That's all I'll say about that. Okay, Okay, let's put a pin on that.

Let's move on turn, honey. I was I was about to like literally exalt at the feet of oprah improv which is oh I, which is the opposite of Io. But then he had stopped me and disrespected me about my muffinie on my own show. He has disrespected, he has disrespected at the hands and feet of the host. I will not I will not apologize. Let that beef. Here's the thing. We are co host and as a co host, how do you feel that he just turned and disrespected He did not just put you in a

tough place. He's putting me in a very heat. Put you in a tough place. Not my co host could be disrespecting me, but Oscar. You you, you came for Oscar and his with his behavior at the diner yesterday. You came for me, but Oscar had to had to defend himself and you. For you to feel disrespected at a rightful retort is disrespectful. There's no excuse for your behavior yesterday. And also I'm going to call her out, Rachel Chapman. That giggling and laughing was out of control.

And I was right on the brink. I was right on the brink. There was no reason for her to be laughing like that. I understand that it's He's part of her brand. The waiter turned to her and said, are you ready? And she laughed and it was It was inexcusable. But damn girl, you, like John Malcoms, the ship out of that you like went into the body of that waiter, and like you, you're like living his story right now. I live his story every Saturday. I live his entire story. Yeah who okay, okay, if it

has to be me, it will be me. If the end of my life is telling the story of a server, that is my cross to bear. A story like my has never been told. Oh boy, there's a story behind that quote which we can not share. If we can't why why can't win? I mean we could? Should we? I just want to say this short story, the short version of the story is UM, Matt and I and David Mazzoni, previous guest of the pod Friends. David, he

was there, and John Socolo was John Soccolo. We we just did a show in Chicago with popular lad years ago. This is like three or four years ago, a long time ago. And then we went to Berlin, famous Chicago gay night club. UM and David and Matt had sort of paired off with these two two strangers, and Matt has this whole fucking journey with the guy that he was with. But it basically I went back alone to the place where you're staying at John's place and Matt

and I were sharing a bed. But that night I just had it to myself. I was like great, and then at four in the fucking morning, that's like I wake up to Matt crawling over me, wasted, and then he whisper. He leans down and whispers into my ear. A story like mine has never been. I did not do it in the accent. I pushed him off me and screamed, bloody murder. Let's just say it's a miracle. I'm not dead. It's a It was like an episode

of Girls. But like probably if Lena Donald wrote this episode for her character and passed it into HBO, they'd be like, no, this didn't happen. Wow, anyway, Um, how do we get into this a story like my never ever? Told the servers, Um, I want to keep exulting at the feet of Oscar Montoya. Man, Yes, I'm listen. I I think there's so much to this idea of like

when you're having fun, that they're having fun. And I finally learned that, like I think Amy Poehler said it, and that's what it was like super clear to me. But it was becoming very clear to me when there was people in my life, honestly, Oscar, like you, like Josh and Aaron, Um, you know, people that I really looked up to. Um, that we're succeeding and all of a sudden it just clicked to me. It was like, oh wow, yeah, like you can't give a fuck, you just have to do you, And that's that's got to

be what it's all about. Here's the thing, too, we respect individual voices. It's not it's not even about like liking or disliking. We respect the voices that we know are true to them. I'm sure there are plenty of people who don't necessarily like what I do, like or like or or Matt or Oscar do, and that's fine, but like hopefully there is that base level of at least respect with like staying true to some something about us. You actually really influenced me um as a director when

you said yeah. You were like, you're gonna come over here and then what you're gonna do is feel your fantasy. And I was like, oh my god. And something happened where I was like, I'm just gonna literally create my fantasy. And I was like, wow, if I think it's funny and I look confident doing it, like that's your fantasy. It's about creating an experience. It's about creating um the fun. But you're fun you know what I mean? Like, feel your fantasy and it feels real and authentic, and it's

good to even say that out loud. It's really good to even say that out loud and remind yourself you have to feel your fantasy. And I give that note a lot when I'm directing girls because I know, I tell the young pirates because that's the note. It doesn't work, that is the note. Um, it works the people that are going to get it and people that are ready to hear it. Yes, because some people don't even know what their fantasy is. And but that's part of the journey,

you know what I mean. It's like solidifying that fantasy and just living in it. You know who feels their fantasy too and lives in their fantasy, which we have to get on is Mike Calton feels his fantasy time. And he actually when I started to do I did a character one time at I think it was at the Grillness and I did this character and he was there,

maybe he was also doing the show. And I got off and he came over to me and he was all he said was and he would never remember this, but he was like, I just want you to know it's working. It's working. Keep doing it. He's like, keep doing it. It's working. And that meant so much to me because I was like, yeah, I mean, this person is someone who's unapologetically himself and it's working. And so the fact that he told me that, I was like, oh,

thank god, Yes, but it's it's like that. And then to see like you're you're like big sisters doing that, like that's very encouraging for sure. And I mean we've we've been we've been seeing the people who don't live that way, but like we'll project this identity and then just like play to that sort of thing, and it just reads is artificial, is not true, and it feels like work. And the last thing I want to see someone on stage doing is working. I don't want to

see people working on stage. That's not fun. I need to see people living their lives on stage. That's all. That's all I want to see. It's not about funny, it's not about clever, it's not about smart. It really is all about watching people have the most fun on that stage for as long as they can and just being swept up in their fantasy the truth. Do you know what I mean? You literally do you feel your

fantasy is part one, Part two. Gag yourself your own rule number rule number one of culture, Feel your fantasy. Rule number two of culture. Gag yourself, be your own net gag. This is when when the inevitable book comes out, be a pamphlet, honey, pamphlet. We're going to be the first people to successfully sell a pamphlets, right, this will be the selling culture since Thomas Payne, since common sense. It's common sense, that's right. Selling for the stars, bowing

for this. We're going to start a revolution. Yes, I just feel like that. There's so much to that now, switching gears. Okay, that fast. Last night and this is literally filling your friends. Last night we did an escape the room. Oh yes, an escape escape escaped the room. Have you ever done? I have done. I've done a couple of escaped the rooms and honey to mix reviews, mixed reviews. This is what were this is This is your first one, first one ever. For me, this is

like my fourth one. But once as soon as we told Oscar what we did last night, were enthusiastically to him, we said, we didn't escape the room. Last name was so fun. We should do in this week, Oscar, don't do it. I don't know about that. Don't do that. Tell us what's the team? What do you mean, what's the what's the shade? It's not about the shape. It's not about It's not about the Escape the Room. It

really isn't. It's about the people and Escape the Room because it can be the best experience and also the most taxing journey you'll ever have. People's true selves because it is. It is about how you play this. It's about how you play the escape the Room. Do you play Escape the Room to literally escape the room, or do you play Escape the Room to just kick you

with your friends? I key with my friends, and some people who play to Escape the Room do not appreciate the way I play, And so then you know, riffs happen, so do you? So what are you saying you would deliberately sabotage? I don't know. Girls don't like that. But I'm not reading you. I'm just saying, like, would you say that you play different? How is there else to

play different besides not trying to win? No, it's just like getting caught up in like the d For me, it's like, you know, there's like things to look at. I'm like, I'm gagging in that world. I'm like submerged in that world. So I get lost. I'm like, look at this little thing. Oh my gosh, and they're like Oscar, pay attention, and I'm just like, okay, in a minute, but right now I'm really looking at these decorative tiki cups,

you know what I mean. I do both if you because I feel like last night was both because there were a couple of people that were like, legit going for it. Meanwhile, they said over the speakers like, hey, guys, if you find five eggs, you win a free game. So I was like, amazing, you guys do that how I play? That's me? That's me. And also there's a part of me too, like something about like just just games or any sort of competitive thing does bring out

a thing that was dormant. And a lot of my friends, you know, and I'm just like, oh, I didn't know you this way. And then they turned into like little monsters, you know, and I'm just like, oh I do WHOA one snapped at me three times during the game. I feel I feel like, you know, not to pun but this this will be your Frankenstein monster moment. Like I feel like you would turn into a beast, and these

escaped the room. In my defense, let me just say last night I really felt like I struck the proper balance between having fun with my friends and just doing it for the sake of doing it and having fun. And this team worked exercise and working towards the goal of leaving the room. Now I am shocked at this allegation.

I snapped at Matt, there was no such thing happened, Matt, how dare you When I was turning the key, and we've been through it with keys this week because earlier in the week Bowen he gave I had the keys, was opening the door and he goes, wrong key, buddy, and I said, I have never heard you say the word buddy. He called me buddy, and I said to him and I quote, don't call me buddy, you condescending bitch. I have never heard you say buddy. Think about that quote.

I just very nice. It was like, hey, wrong key, buddy, and you know, you know he and I know. And then Matt says, just Matt's pretty pretty hammered at this point, goes, I don't call me buddy, you condescending bitch. And here's the thing. We both meant every word that we said, and then it was fine two seconds later. But in that moment, I was like, how fucking okay, But an escaping room, when did I ever snap at you? There were a couple of times where you were just getting

on edge and it wasn't about me. But I could tell that it didn't help that it was me because other people that were in the room. I don't think you would have been been comfortable being like no, no, no, this it was you. But because it was me you had you felt comfortable, which is fine. You felt comfortable being like Matt, no, that do it that way? And I was like, okay, okay, wow, this is all about

airing laundry between the two of you. Laundry. I'm not laundry. Listen, I'm not like, I'm not letting this stick to me, but like it didn't really happen like that. I don't know what was your what was your version of the events you were fussing around with the keys. I will be a limited time, like I go, Matt, it's not that one others sat fuxing around with the keys. That's tricky vocabulary. It's literally it didn't bother me because I was doing the wrong key, so I needed to be told.

And there was one moment where I don't know, I don't remember the specifics, but like anyway, it did happen a couple of times where I was like, it doesn't matter to me at all, but like, did I clock that? It was like definitely Bowen Bowen's voice. I was like, okay, cool, he's you know, getting a little bit on the edge with me. Okay, but it was my first time. See, this is a lot of stress, a lot of stress that we don't need. I'm not stressed. I'm only stress.

I'm only blessed, bless up. Look, Oscar, I agree with you. But also there are some people out there in the third category who are just a hybrid of both, and I can I put myself in that bot. Okay, great that I think the three of us would slay. I think so too. Yes, how many people were in that room with you? Eight? It was too many? Exactly, Yeah, that's the thing. But we still made it out. We should say we did make it out. We had seventy five minutes to make it out. We made it out

in six. It was the hardest room in the entire comfort that it was okay, So it was great. What's the place, let's plug it. I think it's called sixty Escape or something, sixty room or something like that. It's on it's on okay, very big plague. It's on Santa Monica Boulevard. Um and yeah, that's it. Uh So anyway, Um, there's one called Grandma's House that was the Moss House. So you go into this really nice, quaint, funny little

grandma's kitchen, living room situation. And Grandma's left you a ladder. She says, I'm so sorry. I haven't I can't see you. But after your uncle, your grandfather, Cecil died. Um, I've been working on a project, on my last project, but um blah blah blah blah blah, and I can't come back to the house. So can you help me hang the painture the pictures? And that's one of the and that's when it starts. Then you find out feel too much.

I don't want to real too much. But as you go, you took this you this is the room that you want to see the room and we were in last day. But then as you there's multiple rooms that you work through and then a storyline unfolds that ends in a robbery of some sort and it's very exciting. And they played the music while was happening to make you feel like yeah, and he's honestly, that's I think what the gag was. It was like the Disney little Boy in me.

It was like that wants to feel that fantasy. And I felt very involved for sure. Oh it's like you're plugged. You're plugged into a movie at that moment. And yes, and so now we're kind of trying to find we want to do another one while we're here, and we're trying to figure out whether to do a scary one or not. Our friend Colin sent us a listing for one called The Basement, where it's literally like a fucking serial killer has bound and gagged you and he's thrown

you in his basement. Oh and also he's a cannibal. Work your way out and it's like, oh, ship, but like maybe that that like that's something that's happened to people that it's fine. I went to to actors, Um, I love that. Anyway, I think I should do it. I think I think we should all do it. Yeah, I think I think paper Roulett's going to be here

soon and l and we're going to do it. There was one that I went to where it was like mental asylum and I think it was just called asylum and it was like everyone had to get out of the room. But they were like, okay, one of you has to be locked into a straight jacket. So while they're doing what we're doing the puzzles, you have to also, And I volunteered. I was like me because you know, I am very like distracted by everything, So I was like, oh, this is a fun way to give me like a task.

I'm very like good if you tell me what to do, you know what I mean. So I was like, okay, let me get in there. I got in the in the straight jacket. I was like great, So no one's gonna be mad at me if I don't do the work because I'm busy. I could always be like the straight jacket girl. I gota that straight jacket in like two seconds because you couldn't handle I just moved my arms around. That's it. No, it was the easiest. They

locked it. But like the way a straight jacket is like you can literally just raise your arms and then you're then like sort of just like step out of the straight jacket without unlocking the lock. So then I was just like, okay, okay, here we go, here we go. But you know whatever that was really and so you were not for that one. There were moments, speaks and valleys because it's all but you're saying, it's all about

the people. It's all about the people. Premises matter too, because there's only one that's an old failed record studio. But sometimes premises will disappoint you. Sometimes it's just like, oh, this the setup is perfect, and then it's like if it ends in a just a big fart in comedy, you premise that's the t that's that's true. And if it ends in the fart, that's how you know it sucks yea. And then that's when the edit comes and you're just like, I'm so sorry, right, but that out.

But but what Oscar was saying about the people being like, either they are very goal oriented to a fault, or they just want to have fun and kicking with their friends applies to stage, applies to the stage. Sure, and it was such a Now I'm thinking looking back, it's like,

was it a really good experience? Because honestly, the eight of us that were in there, Like a couple of us knew each other really well, but like there was people in the group that I don't know very well, and I wonder if that put the focus on the task instead of like this person is going to be this kind of person in there, and I know I'm

gonna butt heads with them. But so that's interesting. That's interesting, you know what I'm talking about, Like if we went with our close friends, the personalities would emerge and we all know the dynamics. So it's like you play out our friend click is filled with strong personality. There's no

one with a passive personality. You know, Well, yeah, actually, But the thing is, I'm kind of maybe it was my first is because it's my first time, but thinking about like how your true colors come out and the escape the room. I kind of surprised myself last night because I really was letting other people do everything and you were going to be more It's not about letting, it's more about like other people were doing something, and I was kind of like very much not jumping ahead.

Like I was the kind of person where when a door would open, I'd be the one to run to the door and say it opened. Okay, so let's think about it this way. In these escape the rooms, like the music is playing, you know what I mean? You feel like you're in a movie, right, and like it is like a movie. And with that being said, like what character would you play in this movie in the in an escape the room sort of situation, first victim

Drew barrymore. Really that's my goal. That's interesting, that's that's a gag because I would I would say that you'd be like, okay, guys, focus up, let's think of a plan. I feel like you'd be very much that person. You know what. Maybe here's the thing. I take back my answer. I think I'm very much I'm very in my heart,

I'm very much a director. So I guess like I would be the kind of person that, like, if I felt like something was going askew, I would be like, can we just focus back up for a second, we com you need to do this. Like I feel like if I were corral everybody. Yeah, And doesn't mean that I would necessarily be the one figuring out what to do, but I feel like in terms of keeping people on task, that is my personality and I do make decisions, but that's not I mean, that's just just in my ordinary.

If I don't know, escape the room is different. What about you? I feel like i'd be the person who wouldn't say a single thing until everyone is stumped, and then I would say something and that's when I would activate. Do you know what I mean? I'd be that kind of player. I mean, that's that's the kind of player I am. And these sort of escape the room things when people when too many people are talking, I'm just like, okay,

that literally too many cooks in the kitchen. I will not participate until people are just like, we don't know what to do. Then I'm like, okay, now now I'm of use. Do you know what I mean? So yeah, what about you? Bone? I'm a thirsty little fuck for attention, so I so I know. Um, I'm just trying to think, like, okay, how may be how would I behave in an improv group game? And I feel in group games I'm always like, now I have the best fucking singer, and which is real?

And like back when I used to do that, well you do have the best singers? No, no, no, no no, that's not the point I want. But part of me the way I behaved last night, was very like I'm going to pour over the small details that just for clues. I'm going to help. I'm gonna be that tech support in a way. I was like there was like the in the in the Grandma room, like there was just a bunch of cookbooks and I just like flipped through every page just to see if there was something. And

I was like, Okay, you guys figure that stupid puzzle out. Well, I figure out, like if there's anything in here that we can gather. He's very detail oriented. I was just like researching in that research but that's not a behavior necessary, No, it is, and it's very helpful and that and you

actually did. You actually were very hands on and detail oriented and like you were getting the minutia in Like, for example, I think my personality is more big decisions and choices, and then the group kind of goes and does that thing. But I'm very rarely the person that's in the trench just figuring, like for example, like I'm

the quote unquote director of paper Roulette. But like in terms of what makes the group, like in terms of the specifics what makes the group shine, like everyone else has like more specific tasks you think big picture, you think very much details. Yeah, that's great. This is a good combination the two of you. Maybe you both should do a scape room together and like see how you fare would we could we do a two person one people do? People do it by themselves there, people go

in by themselves. That's that's bold that I don't think would be very fun. Our producer bets laughing because he just thinks it's sad as how. I don't know. I'm obsessed. I'm the kind of person that gets really obsessed with this kind of thing, like like you know, for you, because what Colin, our friend Colin said about you is

that this was very Orlando was very immersive. It was like taking you through this linear progression and with it, you know, And I think I think it is it's like a little taste of the theme park where before you do it, they sit you down to watch a video. Me too, I love that shape, me too. I'm all about that. She goes about it. The girl who was such a gag, the girl that was that was rubbing it, she was amazing. And she was like, Okay, well first

we're gonna sit down and watch a brief video. And I was like, yes, yes, I was just so happy, and she was it's amazing because I think that they do have a hand in setting them up, right, Yeah she was. I asked her, was like, how long does it take Free to reset that? Because it was a mess by the end of it was crazy lots of props, lots of props and lots of like papers strewn everywhere. And I was like, how long does it take Free

to reset this? And she was like, oh, I could do this and this is like a four room amazed mind you. She was like, I could do this in about five minutes. And I was like, wowa, but think about it. I mean, at the end of the day, it's really just like this goes here, this goes here, this goes here totally right, totally, but if you miss one thing, but if something is missing, and she said at one point she had to come over the last periogod and she was like, are you guys missing this object?

And we were like yeah, and she goes, oh, right here, And I think it was something was supposed to pop out more than it, but they're usually very good. Usually throughout the whole thing. It was like there a sound effect would accompany us accomplishing the task. That very Zelda. That's very cute. I loved it and now talking about it, I really want to do one again. We'll do it and Oscar scary one. Okay, I don't know the live

actress thing. It's like I know, it'll either make it great or it'll be Have you never been to a haunted house? I have, but like ones where it's like someone all they're doing is chasing you with a machette. It's like, okay, well what what? What performed? I mean it's a performance, sure, but it's like I'm going to be stuck in a room with this person, Like they

better have materielle, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, I live for them, the haunted houses, my sister and Henry, and it's very weird, like I love to do the walk through haunted houses and I love them. Um, but I can't sit and watch like a stressful movie or

television show. It's very bizarrely so stupid, um because I only like to watch stressful and scary stuff because like I don't know, I've talked about this so much the pod, but like I guess when I'm sitting there and it's happening in front of me, like you're not doing anywhere, like at least in the Haunted house, I could run the funk away. Yeah. Um. But anyway, I went to Universal Studios for their Halloween Horror Nights and they do a great job. Yeah, I mean they had I think

they announced it's coming back. They're going to do it. We should go in October and we should go next. Come come because my sister lives down there. She came over, Henry and I went and we did all the haunted houses and they had a yag worthy American Horror story house where there was they did I guess they did Murder House, which was season one freak show and hotel and so you know, there was a there was an

angel La Bassett walking around them. There. Angel La Bassett jumped out at me with a knife and I literally said to her, I'm like thank you, Yeah, you're like I live. I was like literally this and they're so good. Yeah, oh they get the best. And I don't. I'm not don't cut corners. No, I'm not an American horr a Story fan because like I said, I don't. I don't

like to watch that ship. But my sister loves the show, and we got out of there and she was like, you guys need to watch that show to understand how much they just nailed it. Like every scene that was that you could remember from the show was in there, Like it was very specific. And also they because it's universal and it's like movies and stuff, they recreate. There was one for the Exorcist, which is the only one we didn't do because my sister was like, I'm not

doing any kind of health devil ship. The Exorcism ship really bothers my sister. A lot of people do a lot of there. There is a weird sort of like kind of like gradient of like when it comes to religion or like you know, God and the Devil, they won't get into it. But if it's like syrial killers or like werewolves and vampires and it's fair game, which is so funny to me. What's the biggest gag hard movie for you we're talking about. I mean, you're getting it.

Let's go asking for it. I mean, like, well kind though, because there's difference to give us, like can't be like gum sleepaway camp categories basket case. Okay, I gotta check that it's the best what about serial killer? Serial Killer sort of I mean a sleepaway camp is like my

favorite slasher sort of movie. Um, sort of like Exorcist is truly one of the I mean, it's basic as hell to say, but it truly is one of the most scariest movies you'll ever see, just because the way that they dealt with the quote unquote scares of it is so grounded that you're just like, oh my God, like this we live, we live in this world, you know what I mean? Um, what's like, what's like your favorite like thrillers, like psychological thriller. I guess that's specific.

You don't have to flight plan. I was first saw Red Eyes great, Red Eyes good. I like Red Eye. I love Red Eye. See the first Saw I did. I did like Saw. I did like the song. I mean, people a lot of people hate that sort of like torture porn stuff. I don't. I really I enjoy the torture stuff Eyes because I hate I do I mean, Human Centerpede I liked, you know what I mean. I'm into all that kind of stuff, gross disgusting stuff. I love. Oh my, I don't even basket Case is a movie

directed by Frank hennin laughter. And I know this because I have a straining order against him. Um. Yes, man, okay, I never heard this. Yes, let's get into it. So. Um. In New York, I used to host a show called Midnight Movies with Montoya that's my last name at the pit and once a month, every Saturday, I would host. I would put up I would screen one of my

favorite like be like movies. And for my birthday, and you know, I've screened like The Room and Mac and Me and like like those classics sort of like kind of movies. And for my birthday, I wanted to screen basket Case. And in those movies, I used to get someone who worked in the movie to talk about it and stuff. It's like very mystery science theater, didn't you

Yeah yeah wow. So in in um so for basket because I got one of the actresses, Beverly Bonner, who is just a true gift to the world, and um, she she was like so excited and she's like, oh my gosh, I have to tell Frank about this because he will love uh. And then instead of loving it, he sent me an email being like I do not approve of this, Like I don't want people to come

into my movies and making fun of my work. And I'm like, you don't understand you are my hero, Like I'm obsessed with all of your movies, Brain Damage, Frank and Hooker, like all of those are just like huge. Yeah, like and I'm like, it's actually just going to be a celebration of your work, Like I just want people to like find out more about you. And he was like, I will get my lawyers involved if you don't stop.

And I'm like, okay, well, I much respect, but this is a legally I'm a loud to scream, you know. Um and sure enough, I gotta, I gotta. I got a letter that's like your heroes moment a little bit, Yeah for sure. Yeah, yeah, but you know I I Frank Kennon letter has emailed me. I have his email address. I gotta let. I mean, like, I and why the restraining order? Um, I think that was his Like I think it was like he wanted to go further than a season desist, Like a season desist was not enough.

What is humorless? Yeah? So um yeah, it's I mean, I think it's I mean, I don't know if it's like really is or just like a threat level restraining order. Um, but I mean I I loved it. I mean I'm like, oh my gosh, I got to interact with one of my heroes, you know what I mean to like, yeah, I thought that you walked away from that experience, that like kind of horrific legal experience, being like, at least I got to meet it for sure. Frank is like it says everything about you, and I love it. Oh

my god, what's anyway? Okay, So the movie is about this guy. It takes place in like the late seventies early eighties, and he um uh, he like goes to the seedy sort of hotel in like pre Giuliani Times Square, so it's like very shady, you know. And he's carrying a basket with him, like a giant sort of like um uh yeah basket, and like the tag is like what's in the basket because that's what everyone asks him

and he doesn't want to say. And he's kind of like this weird sort of like mousie, like very just like easily excitable man. And what's in this bag. In this basket is his twin brother, Belial, who was a Siamese twin that when he was and he was just it's literally a lump of flesh. Yeah, it's like a

weird tumor monster that got Yeah, that is alive. So when they were young, when they were younger, they like separated these all these doctors like kidnapped him and his twin brother and separated them because he's like, I don't want my son being a freak to let's kill Belisle. But they didn't kill Belisle, and Belial and this guy have this sort of psychic connections like twins do, and so they moved. They moved back to kind of kill all of the doctors that operated on them. Uh, and

then you know, hilarity goes down. But it's like one of those like movies that were made by made by Like I mean, like the budget was maybe like maybe eight thousand dollars, do you know what I mean? Just like really just terribly done. Like I love that kind

of stuff, you know what I mean. My whole aesthetic is just cheap, ugly stuff Like John like Tacky Waters is like my hero of all time, you know what I mean, Divine either Massy like those are my icons, those are my true icons, you know what I mean? Real quick, before we do I don't think so, honey. RuPaul's Dragra Season nine thoughts, well, go, this is gonna come out a couple of weeks, so we're gonna be a little outdated. But I just think I can't tell

if it's either I would say across. I would say, uh, in general, it's like an even season, like a lot of even playing field. But I can't tell if the bar is low or if the bar is high. I truly can't. If it's like these really polished queens all competing on the same level, uh, and there's no like a huge outliar, or if it's a low bar and everyone's just bad. Right, I don't think everyone is bad. I think it's also like kind of too early to call it snatch game. By the way, exactly this pre

snatch game, right. I think snatch game is a huge turning point when you're like, Okay, now, let's now, let's really compare seasons, because I think we're too I think we're not giving it. I know a lot of people are like, these queens are like you know what I mean, just like kind of like resting right now. But I'm like, yeah, but like what other season. Besides, I would say like eight and six were the queens like bringing it right from the game, you know what I mean? Like five

Ship Sharon, is that the season? Okay, okay even but even like even that season, I think until Alaska was rough the first episode, you know what I mean, Like Alaska Alaska didn't activate for me until like way later in the seasure. I think that we're being a little hard on it. However, I will say this, the front runner right now from where we sit is we're gonna

agree Valentina Valentiner is the front runner. I think she will not be looked back on well as as I stand out winner unless she really think she's gonna win. I think I think I think right now she's gonna well. I think I also think it's too early to call it, you know what I mean. I feel like, based on storylines, I feel like we have not really dug all that that that there is to Valentina. We haven't dug all there is to Peppermint. I think Peppermint still has to blossom.

I feel like Peppermint is a contender, but like we don't know that. No one knows that there's we know that because we've seen Peppermint live and she is. She's amazing, She's amazing. When that doesn't come through, that's like a huge red flight. Also Amazing Life of Sasha Vlore and that is not coming through our Yeah, but the thing is, yeah,

it's different to win that show. Yeah, it's different. It's like you have to have a specific set of skills for a TV which is which is which makes it all the more impressive that Bob is both amazing life and I know crazy, No, he was deserving winner. I think right now, what is there eleven queens left? I think the only for sure thing you can say in terms of what's going to be the result is that Valentina will be on the top three. I think there's

no way. And then I think the rest of the top three is going to be filled out by some combination of Kul Trinity Tailor Eureka O'Hara, and maybe there you have your Sasha Vlore maybe wow, no mention of Neo Bonina and Nina Bonina Brown, I was just gonna say, is the last one that I think could definitely be there. However, there's like there's something, Yeah, I'm worried for her, but I also relate to her, so much wild Card, so so so much wild Card alexis Michelle wild Um no, honey, no,

I mean like I love her. But also it's all about the editing too. It's like, who are the characters that we respond It's like, you know what I mean, it's already being forecasted and for sure as getting a really featured edit. I think is an a Dore thing. Okay, And Henry, my boyfriend, is really pulling Fraja. He's like in the Aja camp. I love a because she's just a scrappy queen and I love girls that just like fight hard. Do you know what I mean? Who? And

and are? I mean like I just got that like sort of magic where she's a little bit delusional, which I like in my drag queens. I love that sort of like not fully self Oh yeah, like not like not even on this planet like reality wise, like is not aware of how the world works. Like that's how I want my drag queens to be, like completely oblivious

to the life's real tea. You know, I guess I just want to be knocked flat on my ass and it hasn't happened yet the only time I've been like, oh my god is when Valentina came out on the wedding dress, I was, I screamed, Yeah she's a look, yeah, she's killing it. And also we have we in the in the minor performance things we've seen and she's done well. Yeah I've seen I've seen her live and she's truly fantastic.

The only one that's like really nailing it and everything right now is Shakule And still I think she's only an eight out of time and those girls don't win. But personality so much, very charming. Everything she wears, I'm like, I would wear that, I would wear that, I would wear that. Yeah, she's looking great, she's she's like a cattya a little bit very very likable, just like yeah, but fifth place, not like not like self deprecating enough,

I think sure. I was just like very real. Yeah, um great, it's time for I don't think so, honey. Oh my, it is our moment to rail against culture for one minute. You take the culture into your hands and you destroy it. Oh my god, I don't even know what I'm gonna say. Just wait, it comes to you at the last minute. It's inspired. So I'll go first, and um, here we go. This is Yanks. I don't think so, honey. And time starts now. I don't think

so honey. Radio shack stores across America, Thank god, you're closing. Good fucking riddance. I don't think so, honey. The radio shack. I went to you yesterday on Sun at Boulevard. I try to get a new chord, a lightning charger cable chord from my iPhone. Uh. The young lady who was working there, she was the only person working in that store. Uh, you know, don't try to upsell fucking batteries at me. At the last, at the register, she gave me this chord.

It broke within six hours, Honey. I don't think so honey. This girl, she seemed like a nice person, but she was blasting most girls by pink when I walked in, And honestly, I was gagged a little bit because I listened to it on my way back. But I don't think so, honey. You're selling me a shitty product, and it's unacceptable. I don't think so, honey. And I don't think you even have a return policy because you're close in, We're you gonna keep all that over stock, Honey. I

don't think so honey, radio shock. I don't think so, honey. We don't need you anymore, Honey, we were living in a cordless, wire free society. Honey, I don't think so, honey. So good riddance, You're gone. Best Buy is the big monolith now, I don't think so, honey. I'm gonna best buy whatever I can best spies the gag best by. I can buy some headphones and a phone case and some differ Honey. Wow, you were very frontloaded, but you

went with what was in the front. Killed you were you were, you were swimming, and then you kind of dog you. How dare you go ahead? No? I like it. This is I mean, I've I've never done this before. This is I this cannot be easy. This I don't think so, honey. Is an art. In all art should be critiqued, yes, but to be critiqued in this way. No, I got it. Not getting some passion. I thought your passion give us some distance, start Matt Rodgers. I don't

think so, honey. Time starts now, don't think so, honey. Those of you who think it's a fucking joke. When the waiter gets to you and you think it's your time to perform, bitch, it's your time to order. I don't think so, honey. When I am sitting there and I'm trying to get my order and I'm a hungry bitch, I do not think it's funny, honey, when you are trying to be cute with your menu and saying what do you like? I don't know. He is not there

to order. You are, and you've been given time. There's a reason when you sit your asked down in the chair, they hand you the menu straight up front. It's because it's time to decide. And then when you start laughing about how funny it is that you haven't decided, hang me. I don't think so. I'm hungry. I'm not here to listen. I'm here to order. And that server God is my witness. He is not gagged for you. He's looking at you, and he doesn't like you. None of you are cute.

If you can't be concise at the table, I don't think so. One minute. Oscar response, Ho, you really let us all have it? It's not cute, Oscar. Do you have a response to that? My response is you're entitled to your opinion, but that's not the way you went down but okay, the way I had went down, you gotta set the facts straight, girl, you gotta set the facts straight. Whatever, you know, all right, All I know is I was waiting. This is a contemptious environment. First

of all. I just want to say that. I literally was like, oh, the waiter came and he was like, oh, you'd like to go first? And I said Matt, because I was like, Matt knows what he wants. And you literally were like, no, I'm not ready, Rachel. Yeah, which is a decision. That's a decision. So me saying no, you know what, I'm actually not ready Rachel, who had said yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I said she's ready to start with her and then she was like and

I was like, girl, come correct, come corrects, Rachel. Rachel Chapman. If you'd like to read by at this, please comments comment below below because because I have a comment for you at the dinner table and it is it is no, okay, wait, okay, never mind what what I was gonna get into, like, what are some things that people have been anything you want? So it's like you can also have something selected for you. Oh sure, it's called the trollball, and you know that Okay, great,

so you have something in mind? Yeah, yeah, okay, this is Oscar Monty. I'm nervous. I don't think so, honey. I can't believe this isn't happening. I'm so excited. Oscar mon twice, I don't think so many times starts now, I don't think so, honey. Palm trees in Hollywood, California. What the fund is your story? Okay, just palm trees, period, Like, what are you doing here? Okay, you are too tall to be trees? You're you've been, You've been around forever

since the dinosaur times. I feel like every time I walk down Sunset, I feel like I'm in the fucking Flynn Stones. Explain yourselves. Palm trees, I don't think so, honey. When the palm fronds falled down and might kill me by falling down on my head, I don't think so, honey. I've worked this so long to stay alive, and I don't want to die in an embarrassing way by having a fucking leaf fall on my head. I don't think so, honey. I read somewhere that rats live inside of palm trees.

What the funk is happening? Sweet, teeth. I don't want rats to be living in Holly weird. Holly weird is weird enough, Honey's okay. I don't want to be walking down the street looking at a palm tree and then just seeing the rats of them all around me. I don't want to deal with that palm trees. No, you need to be cut down because you're a liability. Why are in you in Los Angeles? Why are you Florida? Why are you in this world? Delete goodbye forever that

you got one minute and seven? But you know what, it was great, fantastic one. It's such a it doesn't make sense to trees. How do you feel after it? I don't think so, Honey. It felt good. It felt good, and it wasn't, honestly, not what I was planning to talk about. The look. It was fashioned and you felt your fantasy. And I have to say that at the title of this episode, Phil, your fantasy. Oscar won tell us just to do that. And you truly are a

beautiful person, So beautiful, Oscar. The beauty emanates from all corners, stop it from all crevices, from all pits. That sounds weird. I believe it. Oscar is very special to us, and we flew here for this, for this. I miss you guys so honestly, truly, truly, truly, truly, I know it's such a good vibe. Do you know what I mean? I was literally do you not remember me saying that two days ago? We were all working doing a stuff,

and I was just like my children were home. I felt a very at ease, do you know what I'm mary natural? It was a natural, and it just was like, right, we're all here, we're all creating, We're all like fighting this fight together. You could even say that we're blessed. We have everything that's in me blessed. Come on, father Senda, yes you show man. Wow, this is the last cultures. My name is, My name is Matt Rogers, and that is Oscar Mon. Yea am I saying that? Right? I

don't know. We gotta go bye. This has been a Forever Dog production executive produced by Joe Cilio, Alex Ramsay, and Brett Bohm. For more podcasts, please visit Forever Dog Productions dot com. Dog