"The Grammys"

We're here to talk about the big cultural events that you see happening on your television screens, on your laptops, on your mobile phones, on so many we're in a three screen world. Yeah, let me tell you. Let me tell you. And look, um Matt put this very eloquently, uh a few moments ago, but off the off the rack, he said, we're going to attack culture. We're going to improve culture, and we're going to irrigate what we're this attack on your sentences right now. What this is is

Matt and Bowen's Last Cultures Podcast. What we're doing is we're talking about big things that you've seen, like the Grammys, the Oscar Bowl, super Bowl, maybe some debates happening election season. We're talking about big big, big gass events that you're all talking about, we're talking about them too. And let me tell you, we've got notes. We've got notes, honey, We've got some feedback that is constructive and sometimes destructive. Absolutely, honey.

We are not limiting this to events either. We are going after some cultural institutions like today, We're really coming for the music industry, honey. The music industry is a monolith, and we're not afraid. I'm not afraid to speak truth to power. I'm gonna speak truth to power. And in this case, I guess the power is every performer that's that dared step on that stage. Where was the g the Staples Center? Okay, that's you know, that's capitalism right there. Capitalist.

You know what, I think it's getting a little confused. I think big I think big music is in the hand, is in the pocket of Big Staples. Absolutely, Big Staples is really what needs to come crashing down. Honey. You're talking about a revolution. This is a revolution. I'm talking about a staple list America. Absolutely, I'm talking we go totally paperless. I'm talking about that was easy, not even being a sentence that's acceptable in our on our society

and our culture. Yere, I say, I think that what we're trying to do here with this really movement. But that is less culture is this is we're just trying to bring our expertise because we are cultural experts. We are experts. Could we back that up? Not now? Not? Now? You know what? This isn't the time for credentials. This is the time for real actionable talk. And look, you know we're going to apply our very own signature, um Si manature uh spin on new criticism, new critique, newcrypt

onto cultural relics. We did start comment culture, comment culture. A lot of people think that American Idol started comment culture. Listen for those of you who don't know what that combination of words is, comment culture is. We're steeped in it today, but this is just a label for it. That is very apt because everyone thinks they have something to say. Yeah, everyone thinks they have something to say, and you know what, they don't. They don't, but we do.

We do what qualifies us stuff I'm gonna say and be heard later later, later, later, But first, let me tell you something. Okay, let me tell you where. Let me tell you something, honey, about what we're dressed like right now, honey, we are rocking some hats, some brim some brim hats your studio for your nerves. And that's how you create culture. Okay, you make you take a big choice, and then you make it work. No one else to make these hats work. Lesson but again lesson

two seven the less cultu resd us. You make a big choice, make a big choice, you make it work. You make it work. Costume is culture, costume sculpture absolutely, guys. I also want to point out that a big part of Last Culture Race thus and a big part of you know, these cultural events, we're talking about merch merch al right, by the end of every episode of Last Culture Race says we're going to have an exclusive merchandise item, item that you can purchase. That's that's how you become

a part of culture. Is commerce commerce commerce. And listen, we talked about staples earlier being you know, this fount of capitalism. We are doing this on a small business, grassroots scale. These items are only going to be um, They're only gonna be five or less or less depending on the item. Thinking. Yeah, because sometimes we let's just say, sometimes we don't even know what the item is exactly right. Honest to god, we don't know what this first piece

of merchancy, but that's part of creating. Culture is part of creating and by the end of this podcast episode today, yes, you will have a Grammy related piece of merch that you you the last Culture says, listener can buy, yes, and you can wear it. You could maybe listen to it. Who knows, we don't. You can hold your beer in it if it's a couzy. If you know what, if it's a couzy, you could hold your beer in it and guess what it would keep your beer a little

bit colder than it would have been. Exactly it would It would insulate because that's what a cozy does. That's what a couzy does. That's what culture does for you. Is it's it's keeps a cold, pragmatic keeps a cold. Honey less than two seven keeps it cold, keeps it And look, we have to emphasize the limited inventory, the limited stock. These are collectible items, just like any piece of culture. It is a rare honey. Culture is rare.

It's hard to come by. I just want to say, I just want to say, you know, I think a lot of people are going to be listening to this and saying, is this negative? No, honey, no, because we've earned our spot. How do we earn it later? Later? But we are speaking with authority here, and I want to say again today's episode, we're coming for the music industry because we saw it in full display with the Grammy Awards. We've now had a few weeks to digest

these Grammys. Honey, let's get into it. Let's get into it right now. So the main event and every episode we're gonna be telling a main event, our main event, annual Grammy Awards. Now, Bond, we can tell us a little bit about what the Grammy Awards say they want to do. What is it? Let's let's look up the Grammy Awards. You're gonna look it up. I'm gonna look

it up. I'm gonna pull up the you know, the mission, pull up the mission statement of the Grammy Awards, because I want to know, is it to honor excellence in music? Because we could debate that. We'll get this, man, Okay, tell me this is this is I'm reading off of this Wikipedia article. Thank you. A Grammy Award originally called a Gramophone Award. All right, well, we're already that's huge that you have to think of a good name for what you're what what you're given out America is not

going to be able to say the word grammophone. No, not in Middle America. They can't say grandmophone. I don't know. We're already bastardizing art for the sake of what accessibility. So you would say that you would prefer I would love to have some authenticity to this. I think we've lost that over the years. Okay, I guess I have a counterpoint here. Please. I think grammy, I think A. It's easier to say, and I do want everyone to be included in culture. And I think b it reminds

me of my grandmother culture. Oh well, that's very sweet. Gives me a warm thought. Did your grandmother like music? She likes music. She's with us, both of them are. I don't know what she likes. Actually, I've never I never. I don't know what her type of music that she likes is, but I'm sure she enjoys it. I think your grandmother is a cipher, she's a zero. I would say she doesn't like hip hop. Okay, well, she should open her mind because we're going to get to this later.

But there were some seminal hip hop performances at the Grammys. Oh yes, I mean, i'd say those are the highlights, back to back hip hop performances that I think, we're just really incredible, astounding. So you know, we got the Grammys. Okay, the old term the Gramma face. Shall I read on please? Okay, I want to know about what they're striving to write. A Grammy is an accolade by the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences and are an a r a

S of the United States. So this is kind of localized to America, although there are many international artists that are honored. Many international categories absolutely to recognize outstanding achievement in the mainly English language music industry. Okay, wow. The annual presentation ceremony features performances by prominent artists and the

presentation of those awards that have a more popular interest. Okay, so it's you know, so we all are admitting here that it's a populist moment, that it's a populist contest, and I think that really reads I think so, I mean people get up in arms about well, you know what. Sometimes sometimes the Awards just are all over the place. Last year, you wandered back over pay and who I what do we think about that? About Back? He's a scientologist. I can't get behind that. You know what he is?

That's that is true, and I cannot get behind that. I'm sorry, Well, I can't get behind that. Beyonce didn't win Best Album that album I like. Beyonce did give out Record of the Years to Bruno Mars Uptown Funk, which you know what, sure, I'll give it that. It was the Record of the year, Yes, but what but what was your record of the year? What was your favorite song of two thousand fifteen? Oh my god, this is going to be mind you the rules for the Grammys,

which are so everything. This is the edge eligibility period September two to September or something like that, the calendar year that ends on September. Yes, yes, so that's why it gets a little weird, like Hello by Adele despite you know, being pretty much the song of Yeah, so it'll be eligible next year. Are you asking me what if in two thousand fifty that later part of two four teen, what's the song? What's the record of the year? Not even the nominees. Just of any song, what was

your favorite song? I'll do both. Um, I'll do both. So talk about the nominees. Give the list of the nominees. Here the nominees I'm presenting. Um, yeah, you're right, all right, honey. Record of the Year, we have Uptown Funk Really Love by D'Angelo and the Vanguard. I love that D'Angelo. I don't know that song that will be really really good. Um, thinking out loud at Sharon, blank space, can't feel my face? Yeah, I mean for me, it's blank Space. It's blank Space.

What a great what a perfect pop song? Isn't that? Doesn't that suck though? Any like of course we're gonna say it's blank Space. It was everywhere. It was everywhere, And honestly, like it's whatever you think about Taylor, Like I'm so hot and I'm so back and forth on Taylor, but that song is it's amazing fire. My boyfriend doesn't like it. He thinks it's basic. I'm like, how could you think this is basic on any level? And he's a musician, so it's like, I don't think compositionally it's

that basic. I think content wise in terms of the lyrics, I think it's pretty clever. It's very clever. She's got she's not even she's like she's always been a pretty decent lyricist, but like this is something that she felt like she had to address, like all these this persona that's been crafted around her when actually succeeded in taking the conversation back, Oh my god, she's What I like about it is it's a character based sketch. The sketch

you know what I mean? It feels like And actually Bowen and I um both write and performed sketch comedy here in New York for those of us who don't know, Um, we create culture, but I sometimes will teach um workshops on you know, sketch comedy and also sketch comedy music. Because Bowen and I are part of a musical sketch group called Popularlette. We kind of use pop music songwriting

and sketch comedies culture use culture in that way. Um, this is like so basically what I'm saying is sometimes I want to show that song because it almost is like a comedy song because do you know, it has a point of view and it's humorous, like and there's an unusual thing, there's an unusual thing, and there's reversals and everything reversals. There's a game, there's a game as a reserve, there's a reversal, there's a point of view,

it's all there. What we're saying is, like, you know, game and comedy is is an unusual situation and it gets played and it gets heightened. And in that song here, I am like you can see me in my bathtub, in my dime and I'm beautiful, but there's a crazy and you still want to come back and get more of this. And there was an interview that she did where she said it was just so far from herself that she wanted to write a song based on that character,

which I think she's very successfully did. And that song was everywhere, and when that album came out, everyone was talking about that song. It's great that you weren't talking about any other song. It's such a good song. I listened to it, honestly, and this is no joke a lot twice a day, but one and I well, can I tell you, um, I've always been all about wildest dreams. Wild dreams. It's on my lullaby playlist when I say asleep, Yeah,

I fantasized I did want to. So you know what this is actually is pretty good because Album of the Year did go to Taylor Swift, So that album is

chock full. That album is chalk full of people. People getting all up in arms about butter Fly losing um And yeah, we talked about how it's populist, you know what I mean, Like what do you expect and you gotta play the game a little bit, like I feel like you can't expect too much from this shore And we'll talk about Kendrick later because he performed and it

was unbelievable, unbelievable. But that album is and I said this to you earlier today, Good Kid Mad City like already like like on its own masterpiece, and it came out so early, like in his career, and then like following that up with something that he could out of here. He could have gone one or two weeks, he could have followed up with something that was like a little more innocuous or like make a huge statement, and that's

what he did. And I love that album too. The lateral move of quality, I'd say same yeah, same quality wise, Good Kid, Mad City unbelievable to Pipper Waterfly, just as unbelievable, just as unbelievable. Um but yeah nine And you know what, Also, like last year we talked about how Beyonce I lost to back, Like maybe last year they went with the artistic choice and everyone was like fuck. So now this

year they were like they went the commercial route. Also, it just seems like sometimes you can't fucking beat her, you know what, everywhere, Like she's got the whole music industry machine behind her, like she I think she she must make the most money for the industry. I think, you know what I mean. So I feel like there is that thing of like it's why you nominate James Cameron at the Oscars. You know what swift is the

James Cameron feels. It feels that way. So we got winning Album of the Year and she opened up the show. She sang out of the Woods and the girl does not know how to move, No, she her limbs are all over the place, heavy heavy feet, heavy feet. That probably drives quick. That Anna Winter Bob not working for her. She's she's, she's she's too big on those glittery cat suits. I'm missing the hair that she had on the Red album.

Straight that's straight straw bangs yeah, and when like I liked the way she did her hair and we are never getting back together video where she was like, I'm a freaking cute girl we meet, I just thought like, I want more of that, more fun, more fun. Listen, you know what she very She really is nailing this thing. Weren't. You know what, We're not going to talk about any male artists here because you know they're they've they've earned their respect to not to. We only criticize women. Women

we worship, we worship. Really, that's how this says, because Boone and Night, at the end of the day, we're going to shill out almost three to go see Taylor Taylor Swift. We made a split decisions in pulse by, but I don't regret that decision. Well you were so but we basically we say the night before, you know, there is the Taylor sel concert tomorrow, we could go. Are we going to go? We went to bed saying let's sleep on it. We wake over the morning, I

think we both rolled over to our phone. We were like, we're gonna We're gonna go and listen. Well, the thing that happened the night prior was I was pulling up all these Instagram videos of people who were at the concert, and I was like, this looks really really fun, and so then you know, we just we slept on it and then thank god we slept and I was like, we're going to do it, and then this is this is a fun story. And then we take an uber from Matt's apartment. Well we have the best day before

that too. We're sucking drinking like the place that was cocktails, taking Instagram. I'm singing along to the music, getting into it. Like. Then we decide we're gonna call an uber, which we think would be forty bucks. We think it'll be forty bucks. Were like, you know what, it's it's Jersey, it's not too far, not city Field, met Life, MetLife. Our driver picks us up. He decides to drive and maybe this is what the apps told him. He decides to drive

through the Arizono Bridge into Staten Island. We drive through the beautiful suburbs of Staten Island, see it all, see it all for about a full hour, and then we get we get into Jersey and we get stuck in traffic leading up to MetLife because of course everyone's going within the Tristate area. And then Um, I'm girding my loins for what the the what the what the fair

is going to be? I don't get a receipt email until the day after because it honestly had a compute probably and like, well this is long as ye and so then um guys, uh, well for us for the sake of transparency. Um, it was a hundred and eighty dollars. It was insane. It was insane. We I mean, if you think, okay, so the tickets were what to Joe, our engineer, Joe's laughing, our producer engineer, Joe's laughing. It's crazy. It's insane. It's stupid, so stupid. So I kept saying

to Bone, like do you regret it yet? Do you regret it yet? He's like, you know, and then like post the concert, you will regret I regretting. I think now looking back, I don't regret it, do you. I mean, I think it's it's done a number on my credit card debt. Okay, So there you go. This is this is culture is candid candid lesson lesson five six cultures candid culture doesn't hide. I'm not gonna hide. No, I'm not gonna hide. Good, I'll reveal some truths on here. Please,

we have to get there. We'll get there, okay, and then and then real quickly. So what I thought what my favorite record of the year was That was not No It was run Away with Me, Carl. Yeah, probably probably if I'm oh man, now, maybe that might be mine too. While the streams is pretty up there for me, I think Blank Space deserved to take home that award. But then again, it's like, you're gonna give her everything. Carly Ray was snubbed. If we're going to talk about snubs,

we don't really have. We didn't. We didn't build in a moment to talk about snubs today. But look, I mean we can talk about the one Big Snow which just called That's an amazing pop album. It just is. You know what she did. She took a very right early approach to this and just like purged out two songs. Yeah, nailed it, and then was like, you know what, I'm gonna cherry pick. I'm gonna pick the best ones, and

that's how you edit, that's how you write. I have a good one actually, from what might be my favorite song of the year. I was always happy when this came on. Love Me like you do. Okay, I really like that song. Sure, Like I just pictured myself like spinning around like you know that Faith Hill song Breathe. I can hear you breathe with the music video which was her like on that like desert was that that she was on? I would love to read that treatment.

I picture myself spinning around on that in that dress, sing oh my god, what a great song? Like it? I love that? And it was in fifty Shades of Great, which made that movie sort of tolerable and insane. Plaine movement moment, the helicopter moment. You and I saw that together, And was that the helicopter moment where they played that song? Okay, there's they're they're in flight in two parts of that movie. Yes, there's the helicozer part, which is like too long, and

then they randomly go fly planes. Where did they fly too? They fly around? Okay, they just go to He's like, come on really quickly, this is okay, you know what. This is a fun story. Matt and I saw fifty Shades of Grade. The day came out Valentine's and future guests of the show and address and a dress in um the three of us, I think we're all single

at the time. And then we went to go see to Us on Valentine's Day with in a packed movie Hatter, and then we thank god we were in a theater that was willing to laugh, because we just laughed at everything and it was just so funny and so cheesy. And then at one point, about an hour and a half into the film, we hear from the middle section of the theater, Daddy, I want to go to the bathroom, and the entire theater was this beautiful, cathartic communal moment

of everyone just gasping and going there. We couldn't believe. And it was, honestly like a scene had just finished that was like a humiliating section. Like she was like Johnson gets whipped something up in a scene and like you know, she gets flogged. And then it's like the movie doesn't skirt around it. The movie is about that.

It's an R rated film that this man later on, I went to the bathroom after the movie got at this saw a man brought his child to Fifty Shades of Gray on Valentine Well then and brought up a good point. Okay, she said, well, I mean the thing is he wants to go see the movie. He's trying to go see it. You know, we don't know what it's like to be Maybe he's a single parent. Maybe he couldn't get someone. And I felt a little bad about it. And then I was like, uh, no, you

don't bring your kids. You're a single parent. If you're a single parent, if let's say, let's for for for for argument's sake, he's a single parent, do anything else with your kid, I would say, yeah, it's a Valentine's Day for them too. I would say, let's not scar them. Let's not yea, they can't possibly grasp the sexual fill in their head with unimaginable question sexual cruelty. Oh my god. It was out of control. Hard. It's hard, like like it's hard enough explaining B D s M to like

the lay person, I don't get it. Okay, well, then I need to understand explained to me. I don't know me neither. I couldn't explain to me. It's I can't this. This will be like the blinding and leading the blind. Anyway, Maybe maybe he maybe he really liked the song too. Sure, well, let's let's get back into the Grammys. Okay, So basically that that was my record of the year. Um, it's

worth talking about how maybe Teller deserved it. She did come out and she performed out of the Woods in the beginning, and of course she had a very first thought woods in the background. Too on the nose. You know what I say it about that music video that's going to be used as a teaching tool, um for being too on the nose. So anyway, she's very hit and miss with her music videos, I feel because can I tell you blank Space, unbelievable music, wildest dreams I love.

I know it attracted a share of criticism. I don't think that criticism is that okay because I think it was depicting a nineteen fifties movie set where you wouldn't have a lot of I mean, I think, you know, like sure, for the sake of it being now and we all know it's taking place now, have some like you, cast minorities like you, just but I think that might have been a case of people looking looking a little too hard to be angry about something. I do like

that music video. It's a good video. Um. You know what interesting thing, all the all these videos you've just named the same director Joseph Khan. He's really good. He worked on a lot of um Brittany that he works on a lot of He is someone who went up stars in their imperial phase. They get a lot of the music videos directed by Joseph Conto, Kelly back in the day, a lot of Joseph conn videos, which ones

already gone. Um, a couple other ones too. I think maybe like no, since you've been gone doesn't sound right? He he he might injected misindependent. Remember the house party, I'm not familiar. Oh gosh, so I'm definitely going to be the authority here on. Kelly Clarkson, by the way, winner of two Grammy nominations last night Winnination. I would like it. She's a three time Grammy winner. In fact, here's a little factoid. She's the only artist to win Best Pop

Vocal Album twice. Wow Is that true? She's the only artist to win that award twice. She wanted for Breakaway, and she wanted for Stronger, and she was up again for this year by Piece, and she lost out to Taylor Swift. And I saw some people getting a little upset on social media that Taylor Swift would win a Pop Vocal Album award when there's people like Kelly Clarkson and Florence Welch nominated. But the basically what it says for pop vocal album is it's an award for the

best boom that is or more with vocals. So it's not necessarily like this person gave the best vocal performance on this on their album. It's it's to separate vocal albums from instrumental album there's there isn't there a pop performance. There's the best Pop Solo Performance category, which Teleswift did not win. So there you go. Who did win? I think ed Sheeran he did, great singer. But but you're never going to do it for me. Um, I don't,

I don't. I don't suffer, you know, little hobbits. You know we should we should give Taylor a little bit of credit for trying to belt. She did try to sing that song. Yeah, but when you okay, you know she did. She gave it a shot. She tried. I was gonna say, if you if you try to fly a spaceship without the training, do you get credit for that? You know what? That's a good point lesson number six sixty two, don't fly spaceship without the training. What number

was that? I think? I think, Matt, I think some contenders for merch this episode is um a shirt with some lessons, I think so. I think we'll find the right lesson as we go, but you can look forward to Lost Cultures this shirt that will have one of our lessons on it, and that will be still to come. So kind of gotta gotta keep listening. So I just want to talk about the host of the show, l L cool J, Yes, the the pseudo host. Does this

happen every single year? That's my first question and my second question that I posed to you is what's the difference between LLL cool J and Queen Latifa? Really, go tell me the difference between L cool Jan Queen Latifa? The same person. L L cool J wears little berets. I don't know. LL cool j um ll cool J. They've got the same energy, They've got the same round face. Yeah. I think it's the same kind of like inoffensive yet

like a little bit edgy. Isn't that it's horrible? It's like we're gonna put a harmless African American in front of America. Yeah, like no, Queen Latifa. I'm sorry. I love Dana Owens. Can you like she? Is it? I am a huge queen. I love Queen Lativa. I think that. But I do think that the majority of the reason why I like her is because of her personality and how cool she is. Can I tell you I met

her once? Yes, she was very nice. She would I mean it was It was like when I was a freshman in college and I was kind of lost at the time. I didn't really know what I wanted to do. I was writing for the newspaper school newspaper, the n y U school newspaper UM called the Washington Square News, and there was different sections obviously, So I went to go be in like the film and television and theater reviews and features department, and so we got to do culture.

Culture and interested in culture at an early age. Yes, what the second I came to New York, I knew culture at an early age. I knew culture was for me. So um, I got the opportunity to kind of go and see movies that were coming out early, and I would see them, and then I would get to go to these press junkets and I would interview some of the celebrities and some of the you know, I did meet some cool people. I got to interview Gary Cole, Oh my God, from Pineapple Express and Brady Bunch of Movies,

and I was interviewing him. I was interviewing him a better movie called Forever Strong about Rugby. I never heard of it, Nope, neither did I ever. Again, I did watch it though. You know who was in that. There was a really hot, hot, hot actor, Sean Ferris Well, I got to look him up because this guy was hot. And also Amber Heard was in it. Heard she went on to bigger and better things. But I mean, so

this movie anyway, that's a tangent. But I did get the opportunity to have this experience with the Secret Life of Bees group, interview with the Queen Law Group, interview with Queen Latifa. So I'm kind of very obviously, I'm eighteen, I'm new to interviewing celebrities. Screen Screen is grass. So basically like three of them come in. The writer director Gina Prince Bythewood who also wrote and directed Love and Basketball, one of my favorites, um and something else recently, oh

Beyond the Lights. I was gonna guess that. Yeah, I'm really have to see that, really, really really good movies. This this woman makes what's your Name? Gina Prince Bythewood, Culture, Culture, spotlight on Prince Bythewood. You know, check her out if you haven't, because Beyond the Lights is very good. It's a little heavy handed at times, but Love and Basketball is like a classic for all time, I think, and Secret Life of Bees didn't wasn't too bad either, Right,

it's pretty good. Okay, So she comes in, she's fine, nice interview. Sophie Okonado comes in, like this hotel, Rwanda, Sophia Knado. She comes and she takes herself very seriously. Um, but you know, as she should. She's a very very actress. But um, you just kind of feel everyone like in the room kind of like straightened up because it's like an OSCAR nominated actress that we're dealing with now. So like, um, I'm there, I don't really everyone's asking the good questions.

Everyone's very experienced jumping in, Like what everyone's got there, Like really nice tape recorders out on the desk. I've got my shitty like one that I just bought from like a drug store. Yeah, And all I knew about her was that she had been nominated for an Oscar for Hotel Rwanda. That was it, and I knew that

she was in this movie. She played like the younger mentally challenged, So I guess she was in the middle of the answering some other question and I and someone brought up how amazing her performance was in Secret Life of Bees and like that there would be a claim coming her way she had, so um, She's like, well yeah, and so I kind of like, because like do in these situations you're going to kind of get your question in. So I asked, what does that make you nervous to

talk about Oscar? Like does that give you a little bit of butterflies to know that might be down the road? Valid question? She looks at me and she goes, oh, I don't know that that's in God's hands. And I'm like okay, and I couldn't possibly think about it. What that's That's in God's hands? Yeah, God, God, God's very weakly looks away. I'm like continuous, and then um, the one reporter next to me goes, did you want to

finish your answer? Has? He interrupted? I was like looking at this g one mom next to me, who's like, you know, obviously like twenty years professional, and she just dressed me down in front of the whole room and Sophia on. So I'm like, you take yourself too serious. You're this, this, this whoever. That reporter was just sitting in a sitting in some like stupid shittily upholstered chair,

just like you were. And while it was all the same ship that I was, and I like just bumbled in there from the n y U newspaper, so it was like, get a life. She was really mean to me, Oh my God, give it up and gets in God's hands. God's the one filling out the ballots and God's the one he's like holding luncheon. Is Harvey Weinstein? Yeah, anyway, stupid. So anyway she gets out of there, I'm like and so basically like we're all sitting there. It's really uncomfortable

at this point. So now Queen Lativa's coming, She's the one you want to talk to anyway, And now I'm like too embarrassed to ask a question. And also at the end, when everyone was done with their interview, everyone's doing the bullshit of going up to them and be like, oh I loved you in this, I loved you in this, like she was so good and hold a Rwanda. But no one could think of anything to say to Sophia

Carnado except one, and she's like thanks, thanks, thanks. So Queen Latifa comes in and she's a thousand feet tall, she's got platinum blonde hair, and she just brings the X factor in the room. Of course, she's just like she's just so good. Like Queen Latifa is working the room. She sits down, handles all her questions with such grace, looks at everyone in the eye just like such a pro. So then at the end, we all got the opportunity

to like get our junket packets signed by then. So I and listening to everyone be like, I, you know, everyone that's pretending to know so much about like her of what or however you say that word of like her resume, they've got it. They've seen all our films, right, everyone, everyone's seen all Queen Lativa's movies. Meanwhile, all these people had seen with Chicago, and maybe they had seen like

what's the one bringing down that? Maybe what's the one with the old one with her and Jada Picketts with where they Baraba bank. Oh, I know that when you're talking about ship that one. That one. Wait, let let me look this up. We'll get up while I finished this. So I'm going up and I'm like, I have seen a lot of her movies and I'm gonna nail this. Set it off. So set it off. Okay, so not

that one. Actually I haven't seen said it off. But I went after her and I handed her my pamphlet and I said, I just wanted to tell you I loved you in Life Support, which was her HBO AIDS movie. And she she turns around to me and she didn't look anyone in the eyes. She looks at me dead in the eyes, and she goes, thank you so much, baby, Yes, And I was like yeah, and I could see out of the corner of my eye the woman that like had talked about my home was like, damn, that's such.

His kids got something. This kid kids, his culture. This kid knows. Remember when I said, later I would tell you why I was qualified. That's why. That's why, because you knew and I had legitimately seen it and it was moving right. And then you made a connection with Queen Latifa. Yes I did. She turned around. She she wiped her platinum blonde hair out of her eyes and she said, thank you so much, baby, you broke through her because she she sits through that chip all day.

I said to myself, I was like, she probably never hears the stuff that she really thinks is great. Right, I'm sure she loved doing life support. Anyway. It was definitely it was mostly me being like I'm gonna get this woman, and you get her and get her. But anyway, you know, I hear a lot of people talk about why is Queen Tifa famous, like you know, and you know, you could debate whether she deserved her like Oscar nomination for Chicago, But I'm saying I think Queen Latifa deserves

her place in the lexicon, in the culture. And you have a conspiracy the culture. You have a cultural conspiracy that Queen Latifa is ladies love cool James. Is that all cool Ja? I think they're the same, the same person. I think they got to swap him out so they we feel that different people are hosting different things. It's a tokenism issue. They think, wow, we need we need just another person just like Queen Lya Tifa, but we we can't find him there Switzerland in that like there're

Switzerland and that like cool Jagon queen. It's like, I'm not offended by them, and I would probably fuck them. That's what people think about Switzerland. Yeah, I'd probably suck Switzerland's I would suck a Swiss person. Yeah, male female, intersect, gender queer, and that's a part of culture. Any is what you don't discriminate sexually, guys less than culture, you don't discriminate sexually. So all right, let's let's keep going. Let's keep talking about the Grammys. I think the host

was a questionable thing. I think we deserve better. I think we have to be challenged by the Grammys to the different kind of hosts. Carrie Underwood, same Hunt. There's nothing so Carrie Underwood obviously, you know one of the queens of country. There's a new one, new country star. This guy. He's really gorgeous, hot, but he just really can't sing. And I ask, is country music just a bunch of hot dudes that can't sing? Yes, I think

it is absolutely country music. I think is even more gridlocked, and it's anybody can do this exactly, Like, what the fuck you can't Matt Matt, You guys, Matt Rogers would kill in country. I think I should I think they should make me a country music you would succeed. Don't know why they want flying colors. Well, you know sexuality doors are about to open, did everyone? Okay? I just wanted to tell everyone that I'm almose actual um, I want to I want to tell everyone that right now,

so I don't feel like I'm hiding. Culture is not the place, well not the place I said I would be dropping truths. In culture, you don't hide, but in culture you um don't ask him tell, Okay, Okay, rule number one, rule number one in culture, don't ask, don't tell. But that's you know what, that's the merch. I think that's it. Okay, So you can look forward to a crew neck shirt or white crew neck shirt, and it's gonna say culture. Rule number one in culture, don't ask

to tell. Only create really, only create only crip, only create only um. But anyway they're duet was absolutely stupid. But I do have to give props to her outfit. Oh you said she came out and her outfit was like fuck me in Heaven, which is nidie and it's like ripped at the bottom and it looks like she looks like an angel, like a fuckable angel. That's what country music is is, um, uh have sex with me

and the Christian afterlife. Yeah, that's it super boring. But like you know what, they all have that Fox News like ideal beauty or so. It's such a bullshit because all the woman looked the same. Carrie was giving me making Kelly, she really was. They've all got there, Jessica Simpson bullshit hair extensions. Although she was rocking a short to do, she was walking a nice little Carly Fiorina. She was showing her support angle for the now defunct

Carl Fury in a campaign. I guess Carrie Underwood, by the way, UM would love to know her politics, oh she I think. At the Country Music Awards a couple of years, during after the midterm elections, she threw in a little, a little little zinger about Republicans taking back Congress. Did she And I don't remember what word she said, but like she she said that and it got a huge laugh in the room, played so well in that room. She read the room, and and I was like, Okay,

well she's come. She's outing herself as a huge Republican, which makes total sure. Anyway we think about the lies we were fed about carry on. She had never been on a plane, she's never seen a camera. Meanwhile, think about the bullshit that is American idol. Talk about what needs to get ripped out of culture, Well it is. Think got good riddance, Well like the whole thing of like we just found Carrie, but we've got all the stock footage of her plan in the fields. How how

I asked, think about what you're being fed. Think about what you're being fed. Look for the pepsi cans is what I say. Look for the pepsi cans. Look for the pepsi trailer. Culture cultural fact rule number I think American. I know by the way um Main sponsors Cocacola. I believe well X factress Pepsi I was. I was. One

time I was in college. I was watching X Factor America with the culture singer with friend of the show and future guests Sudie Green, and I was exposing her at X Factor because I liked it because I would watch the British version on YouTube and I was coming to America. I was very excited about it. And we were watching it one day and I was like, you gotta see this one girl. She's really good. So that

girls starts singing as attractive blonde girl. They do this like pan up her body, which they never do for the men. But they were like panning up from her legs, up her dress, and like up to her face. And Sudi was like, watch how they pan up her body and there's pepsi cans. It's everywhere. They're selling you sex and you're and they're selling you pepsi and this is brainwash. And I was like, oh my god. And I realized that was when I truly realized that really we're just

sheep to them. I mean it's very Josie and the pussy Cats, very Josie in the Pieces, the Piece prophetic movie. Everyone should go out and Rachel Lee Cook, Rosario Dawson star Josie and the Pussy guest because it was ahead of its time, of its time, still having its time and taking down the music industry like we are today. We are we are doing. We're just we're just taking the baton from Josie and the pussy Cats. Um. I mean,

there's a lot to think about there. And I would say rule number sixty and nine, Look for the pepsis, look for the number six. They're there. Don't trust what you see. I would say, yeah, that's good. We saw Ariana Grande on the Grammy. She she was introwing the weekend. She threw a little pun in the little joke, and I what are they trying to do with her at this point? Like you can't have her out there looking doughnuts and talking about so she hates Americo, So they're

trying to make her like funny. She's a comedic. She's a comedic genius, right, genius. She's a talent, she's a culture you know what cultural stamp of approval from loss culture stas Ariana Grande is the is the next Moms. Maybe I can see her in one of those movies

like scary movie. Yeah, she would do scary. I can't see her while she was in the Scream Queens for like sixty seconds, which is you know, but I can see her being in one of those like farsy satire movies that like the way she would be the criminal Electra because I remember her carmin Electors and Scary. Maybe she would basically fill in for that. Yeah, yeah, I could see Ariana Grande fill in that role. Be yeah, be that little trope. Okay, let's keep it in the weekend,

whatever weekend, whatever. I don't get it. Ellie Golden performed. She sounded okay um and andre day I believe, Yeah, I didn't. I didn't know her, but she does have a pretty good voice. I feel like she just showed up out of nowhere. She's she's good. I like her. We had the Lionel Richie tribute. Mm hmm, it looks really good. I said. It's amazing to see Demi Levado style progressing from two thousand fifteen Demi Levado to two thousand seven Demi Levado. It's amazing to hear it. Take

the sleep forward, just a regression. She looks like camp Rock. She looks like camp Rock. Yeah, she just had this whole year cool for the summer. Also one of the records of the year. Second year, but fucking she looked unbelievable. A year and she shows up looking like chased, looking like I think I have a heart attack. So it's two thousand seven, Demi. It feels like I've changed, and I want Demi Lado move forward because I liked Demmy. I'm worried about her vocal health. She has You pointed

out that when she hit that I love you. She decided to take it way up and her neck, her veins bursting with veins not healthy, not healthy veins to have first no no, no, no no, because it's all coming from it doesn't sound healthy. It sounds gets a scream. It sounds like you're blowing out every gasket in your body. She had like a widely acclaimed SNL performance not long ago, and I heard a lot of screaming and I think Stone could, which is tough, and you know, she has

really hard music. But the thing is they were saying a few years ago about her like she can only last a few more years in terms of her and she has lasted, and I mean she's still doing it. So maybe she's just got one of those throats that can do it. Demi Levado, she's gotten one of those one of those throats. Look out for the neck sock. I think this could be a pretty good piece of merch. Demi Levado, she's gonna neck to keep your or we

need to sing like Demi Lato and scream. I was going to also propose this could be like a supplemental piece of merch, like a like a jewel case. C d um CD case with like a mock album artwork Demi Levado and the album title is one of those threats, one of those throats that's like Katy Perry, one of the boys, One of the boys. Katy Perry absent from the Grammy, but she was heavily featured in the in the in cosmetic I think cover girl commercials. That girl

has so many product endorsements. I mean, she's got Pepsi, she's got H and M, she's got cover Girls. She's oh my god, Pepsi. Is Pepsi doing well back? But well, I think super But when when she was opening for everybody, I'm saying, look for the Pepsi people. But look, it works both ways because you know who can never, ever, ever, ever do the Super Bowl halftime show because of her

diet coke alignment. Taylor Taylor Taylor Swift, So she can never do Someone brought that up there were like, you know, Taylor Swift is livid that she probably can't do the town the super Bowl half time show in the next ten years because of diet coke. And I hadn't thought of that. That's a thing. Culture. Culture is beholden to capitalism. Everybody, what do we think of the Lady Gaga David Boy tribute. I know Bowen is a huge Lady Gaga fan. Lady gotta change Bowen's life. It was so whacked he it

was a little bit unfocused. It was just there's too much. I don't know what she was trying to say. I don't know if she was like she obviously was trying to honor David, but um David, like I know him Bowie, but like, uh, you know, it was just kind of all over the place. That's the thing about Lady Gaga is you never really know who she is as an artist. Maybe that's her thing, is that she's a chameleon. But also like focus on something I don't know. I prefer

what she's been this year. I like that. I like the weird, wacky American horror story Choice. I can't watch it because it scares me too much, but I like that she's on it. I think it's fucking so gay and I love that for her, and I think it's super heightened and perfect for her. And I like her Tony Bennett shit. And I like this song about campus rape and I think it's important and I support it. There you go. I think that like no, I mean, Lady Gaga has to really didn't didn't her dare David Bowie?

Trevi didn't like upset me in anyway. I saw people on Twitter being like, I can't imagine any Bowie fanlking this, but you know what, like I feel like, lady guys leave her alone when it comes to David Bowie. I mean, obviously it's a huge influence on her. It's like, come on, she's had the lightning bolts over her eyes and stay one. Leave your credit at home on this, leave the credit at home. I think. I think in culture rule number one, sometimes you gotta leave your credit at home. Leave your

credit at home. Unless you're creating, you gotta crip. You got to create to cre create, then ture crip. Thank you great. So I think at this moment I wanna go to a little segment that we have called I don't think so honey. I don't think so honey because I have a big I don't think so honey about this, and I want to put one minute on the clock. Let's put it, okay, let's do so this is we have one minute to really get our frustrations out about

something that happened in this cultural event this tonight. It's the Grammys and my I don't think so, honey. I'll let you know what it is when I have my minute. Okay, alright, one second, it's gonna really I've got a lot to unload because I think that we saw something happened last night that's unacceptable. All right, let's go and go. Whoever did the sound engineering on Adele? I don't think so, honey, I don't think. Let me tell you something. That's the

that's the voice right now? And what you what? You couldn't wait? What was that strumming of the guitar. I don't think so, honey. You better relax, get it right? How come this sound could be right for everyone else? How Come? How come I have to watch that? And if I didn't know better, I'm gonna walk away with that saying Taylor Swift as good a singer as Adelt, I don't think. I don't think. I don't think so, honey. Justin Bieber, also, what the heck stop it? Like? Make

a joke? Like, honestly, I know the show must go on, but I don't think so. And honestly, she was so distracted in the first half. I felt for her so badly because she obviously couldn't wasn't breathing correctly for the second half. But I don't think it'll work. She's a consummate performer. Any haters that out there, I think that's gonna bring Adele down. I don't think so. I don't

think I think you can stay. I think you can leave your credit at home when this one, honey, because Adell is here to stay and that song is really tough. So that's my I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute, wow, one minute amazing person. I don't think so, honey. I don't think so, because don't come for a doll. We'll come. Okay, you're at your time's out, your time times out. But I think I got it across. Here

we go, here's here's mine. I don't think so, honry, and let me hold let me hold this for you. So we're going to hear something you have, what you want to talk about. For the most part, I think I have a theme. All right, Well, here we go. Okay, I don't think so, honey. You know who I don't think so, honey. This this episode is gonna be Taylor Swift.

I love Taylor, love her to death, love her music, respectors and arts, but you know what, her behavior sometimes at award shows and this is not This does not have anything to do with respectability politics. She she can, she can behave as she chooses, but the way that she sort of holds these cards in her hand and shows them off on TV. And I don't think I don't think so. One of the friends, I don't think so, honey. Yeah, that's Ed Sheeran's moment, Honey, that's at Cheron's moment. Honey.

Do you do not clutch onto Ed sheer and after he wins his award and then turn all to Selena Gomez and go, oh my god, I can't believe he want and like the cameras around you and the camera guy, I don't think so. It's not for Taylor, Honey. No, I don't think so, honey. I don't And you know what, I don't think so, honey. I don't think so, honey. The people who think that Taylor Swift is giving you this like authentic feminism's are your friends. She's not your friend, honey.

I don't think so, honey. She's our friends, she's our friends, but not yours she's Selena Gomez, his friend. And also I don't think so honey, Selena. I don't think so honey, Selena Gomez, you know what, you can just ditch this thing and go to the actor one minute. I don't think so honey. So now what we're supposed to do is we're supposed to find an organic third, which I think we found it, kind of found it for with Selena Gomez. Do we want to go one man a

heart at Selena, Let's go a woman in heart. We're gonna go on heart at Selena. We're gonna ask Joe to hold hold our thing, our our timer. So this is one minute. I don't think so honey, for Selena Gomez and go I don't think so honey. No, because let me tell you something. Let me say something right now.

Let me tell you something. She gets on on that stage and like I know there's a lupus issue and I feel bad, maybe she's having a bad moment, but like she's whispering into them Mike doing the sexy baby thing, and it's like that's all yourself. I don't think so honey. Anyone who does the sexy baby thing, I don't think so honey. And also I don't think so, honey. You know what about sleeping gums, the fact that she has not put her focus on her film career, because she's

a very talented, very talented. And I don't think so, honey with the music, because we know it's just for money. And also I understand you're an industry, but guess what, we're not stupid. We're not stupid. We're not gonna thought for that. I don't think so. It's not even a j Loo thing. I don't think so, honey, because j Lo does have talent. She is busting her ass dancing. She is giving you performance, and you're not giving me performance.

You'll give me performance on the film, on the celluloid. On the celluloid, you know what. You give me film, you give me, you give me performance and culture on spring Breakers, spring Breakers, it's a place on harmony, Korean films, on art house projects, please give me that. Also, big short, give me short, give me life, Selena, but you know what, Selena Gomas, do not give me life at the Grammys. I don't think thank you. That was the organic third. And now it's time for our culture of the week.

We've gotten now to that moment meant where we pick out an institution or a you know, a cultural movement, something that's really killing it. And I think every week we can really expect versatility in this section. Yes, we're gonna we're gonna try to cast a wide net and just pull from different places and culture and society. So and not only is there a cultural leek on the flips that we have a fulture of the week, culture of the culture of the week, and so we're gonna

we should mention that. Matt and I try to compare notes, um, but we don't always get to it. We don't always get to it. And sometimes we try not to have as much overlap. We try not to have overlap when possible, but sometimes, um, sometimes there is. And so let's just get into it. Sure, So would you like to go first? Sure? So, what's your culture of the week? What is surpassing what is elevating culture this week? Who? What? When? Where? Why? Please?

Thank you? Matt, Um. I think what is really putting culture at the forefront this week? What is really just what is the rising tide that's lifting every boat in culture? Um is going to is it has to be the Turkey legs at Disney World, elaborate on that. So, how did it heighten your experience when you went there? So?

Um for people who aren't familiar with the Disney parks, Um, at Disney World, every Disney most of the Disney parks saw these gigantic turkey legs, turkey legs dedicated stands throughout the park that basically only sell the turkey legs. The turkey legs stands. So you're gonna have your food stands, your beverage stands, but then you're gonna get your turkey. It's not unlike you'd see dipping dots or something like that. Exactly. Turkey legs, I would say, are the dipping dots of

Disney World. Yes, so you would You know what? The way the way it improved my experience at Disney parks, or has improved them multiple times is um, Sometimes I'm hungry. Sometimes they need salt and protein and fat in my diet. Do you think they're too big? Absolutely not. If I thought they were too big, I would not They would not be my culture of the week. I don't think

they're too big. I don't think so. Honey, do you feel that they might impede your experience on rides because you might be a little full, or you might have to be spending a lot of time meeting them. No, sweetie, because look, the turkey leg just is your marker for the day. I have at least three turkey legs in my day at disney World, just to denote the beginning, the middle of the end. And so you would have to keep you have to check yourself. You've got to

keep you so you would continue eating them throughout the day. Absolutely, okay um. In addition to it's an additive food item to my meals, my brankficelenge, my dinner and drinks. Alcohol is as an adult, I get to experience Disney World with alcohol, like you know, part sanction alcohol, which is huge, not in the Magic Kingdom, but in the other parks. Magic Kingdom does sell beer at Cinderella's Cinderella's Castle, no bells enchanted. You know it's gonna take you quite quite

some time to get a reservation there. I would say, I want to I just want to throw out there because you know, Bowen and I with our you know, you know, A friend of the show and future guest David Mason, New York City comedian pal. We all went to disney World together guest appearance by my sister Chelsea Ryan Rodgers, and we were there and we enjoyed all these pleasures, except we did not get to enjoy Bells Enchanted Tavern in the New Fantasyland. Because you're talking about

a ten month wait for reservations. I'm talking about the when it opens up in the morning for breakfast to when it closes in all hours. It's booked up, booked ten six to ten months in advance. If you can believe that, I mean, hi, um, New York City, Like that's that's a Hamilton's Tech. That's crazy, that's nuts, And I thought it couldn't be real. It's real, it's real. Also, one of my favorite employees at Disney World, it's got to be the hostess at Bells and Chance Tavern. Who

this is. Before we went together, I went to my sister and I walked up to this girl that was host there, and she's got a smile as big as the day is long, like greeting guests, like everyone the same thing, which is no, no, no no, and like everyone's so mad, so mad, to the point where I was like, they're treating her so badly. It's not her faults. And I had to my saster. I was like, what

would make a person continue this job? Like there must be benefits or something, or maybe she's just actualized and likes it, and like, really, she's completely in a in a very um because the people that work at Disney, they do love it. They do love it. You know what that that? I think you're right, she's actualized in a in a Carl Union way. She's completely self actualized. I think, so, um, okay, well that's my culture of the week. What about yours? Um, so my culture of

the week. This is crazy. But it was the Disney Turkey legs as well. Try not to overlap. I didn't think that you were going to go that way, but I was thinking, what if I enjoyed most over the last year of my life, because you know, this is the first episode and it was the Disney Turkey legs. I mean, they bring me back to a time when I was young where I think my father exposed me to the turkey legs for the first time in Apcot.

Do you think they're too big? I don't know. I don't think they're too big, and I never feel that fall. But I would say, if I had want to complain about them, it's that they are a little messy. But then that doesn't bother me either, because then I have some more on my face. And if someone says you got a little turkular on your face, I just taken it and it's just like another snack. So for me, it's like and I don't feel that they're that they're overpriced.

If you were going to ask me if I think they're overpriced, I think that the running the running price rate is seven dollars, I said I would pay for them. If they were twelve, I would pay upwards of thirty dollars for a turkey leg. I would say I would too, because you know where you are. You're in Disney, You're in Disney run, and you've got to expect to spend money. I mean, if you're not going to expect to send money when you go there, I don't know what you're

going there for. That is premium turkey, that is premium poultry. I just want to say, for anyone that might be planning in our land of vacation, you might be surprised about the price point Disney World versus Universal Studios because we, I think, thought it would be easier to fit Universal Studios Florida, or I should say Universal Orlando, because it's now a resort that rivals that of Disney into the

same trip. And you know, we were at the Universal for one day and it was more expensive than the three days we were at Disney Disney World, you guys, no joke, No super affordable, super affordable. But meanwhile, and you would think this would be the reverse. Universal is big jogging in like crazy with this new Harry Potter park and they are just really really spiking up their prices.

But content over at Universal, especially for older people. You know, you could say that's where you're going to get the bank for your buck. That's literally because you are paying for it. But they have the turkey legs. No they don't. And I just get a sense of childlike wonder and magic at Disney. All right, Fulter Fulter of the Week, why don't you go first? Okay, so my Fulter of Week field culture and this this is remember, this is going to be the opposite of what a turkey leg is.

So the opposite of a turkey like at Disney World for me is Kanye West he has. He has just really been all over the map. And this this, this this campaign for for life of Pablo is the schizophrenic, I would say probably very like, you know, deliberate, but like god, it's so hard to follow. What's the biggest difference between what Kanye is doing and Disney is doing with the Turkey legs? Mm hmm. What Kanye is doing that?

What Kanye isn't doing that. The Disney Turkey Legs are doing is um letting me into the world of the Turkey leg and Kanye is not doing that. What you feel like this is an exclusive almost squad like, almost squad like like, I don't think so, Honey, Taylor Swift. I would completely transpose that to I don't think so, Kanye West. Look, this was Khalifa beef was not to follow. I was very down with Kanye liking but stuff, but then he but know, he shamed us all, He shamed

us all, and then he denied the butt stuff. You know what stupid to do? Own the butt stuff, own the butt stuff or get the funk out. After amber Rose tweeted, I was like, you know what, No, I'm on Kanye side. He loves butt stuff, so do I don't stigmatize it. But then Kanye denies the butt stuff. I don't like that, because all you have to do is not respond. Don't say I don't do the butt stuff. I keep that out of there, like you treat it like it's disgusting, and we all feel disgusted, and then

everyone thinks and then this communities will think it's disgusting. Also. I just want to say that you can be a genius and also be a misogynist. Absolutely, We've seen many of them throughout the years. Hello, and I think Bill Cosby innocent, Bill Cosby similar similar. Well, I don't know that's a big but it's a big jump. But I would say, I would say that Kanye West is not someone I would look at, and I would say, guy

respects women. I just went, no, he doesn't. And I think there's a big Bernie bro esque type problem happened towards Taylor Swift right now, which is this thing of like people upset about her kind of saying shade shading Kanye West with her Album of the Year acceptance speech. No, she's just sticking up for herself because he called her a bit and said, and that's that's a misogynistic behavior

and it should be called out. Don't you love it when they can also be a genius and you can enjoy his music, But don't get piste that she said something. Don't you love it when men? Um? I think they've invented someone. That's that's what I love. Oh yeah, I mean no, I'm like I love Kanye West. I love and the album is good. I think that Absolutely, it's good. Absolutely was always going to be good. He's always going

to create great music and create great art. But you know him being a missogyst mutually exclusive and he's not given me turkey leg. You know what, Kanye give us turkey leg? In a paragraph, how could the Grammys have improved? Yes, um, this is our job as culture consultants. The Grammates could have been improved by um more more thoughtful performance ideas and concepts, and just an outward, very uh over overt statement that this is a populist competition. That's that, that's that,

that's my that's my little soundpie. So you think going in knowing this is a populist capitalist moment, I've got to think about what makes the industry money. This is an industry event. Maybe a little bit more forward. Oh my god, we we didn't even talk about the Hamiltons and the Kendrick Lamar performances, but those two, you know what,

I need more moments like those. Yeah. Watching us back to back, I was like, Wow, this is you know what the Grammys are are a good award show because you get amazing moments like this because yes, So what I want to see is I want to seem more true talent. Yes, because you watched Hamilton and you're like, oh, this this is what talent and you get the hype Brown Hamilton after you watch it. So that's it. It's like my thing with the Grammy says, It's like, you

know what, Grammys, make me believe the hype? How about that culture? Culture lesson number four sixty seven, Make me believe, make me believe the hype you hyped, Make me believe the hype. Honey. I think we've really come to some great conclusions about the Grammys in the state of the music industry here today, I think we should all be really excited about the piece of merch that we have now. At the end of the show, It's rule number one when it comes to cultures to culture, don't ask don't ask,

don't tell. Well, ding dung everybody. This has been less culturalistist or culture consultant. This guys, my name is Matt Rogers, my name is Bowen Yang. This is less culture Resist and we will see you the next episode. We'll have a special guest and we'll have fun, fun, fun, will be taking it down, will be turning it now, will be creating I Go Fever. This has been a Forever Dog production executive produced by Joe Cilio, Alex Ramsay, and

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