Forever. Look man, oh I see you? Why why? And look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, let's sorry. I was a little shaken because for the first time verbally counted down I couldn't believe that as the Phoe Nation was happening, you were like three to one, like it was a damn Janet Jackson all for you music video? Is there any counting down? And that is what I made before three to what I'm doing? Oh my god, what iconic culture? That's actually culture number eight four three?
To watch that fucking music vide where she's in that futuristic subway station. Do you know what I'm talking about? Do I know what you're talking about? Absolutely? In that video insane? That was actually, at the time really a
rebirth of Janet. Absolutely, And it was right when I moved to the U s from Canada and I grew up famously grew up without cable and I was got to sleep with a bunch of boys and we stayed up and watched MTV all night and that video came on and that was that was a culture that made me think culture was for me, because it's a culture. But then that was also like this is classic queer narrative, young queer narrative where you're out of sleepover your with
your gender. Let's say for first this game of course gender only, gender only, and then you gender exclusive. Gender exclusive. Slumber parties were huge culture nineties. But then that video came on with two one, and I just remember everyone was like, she's so hot, and I was like, yeah, but also what what what? What else is that? Yeah? Exactly what else? What else? It's it's it's the UCB thing of if this is true? What else is a number sixteen? It's the UCB thing? If this is true?
What else is true? And I love saying that like
a damn drag queen. Um speaking of playing at the top of your intelligence, honey, Yes, um, So basically, honey, let me say it's actually no surprise is that we're talking about this sort of late nineties cost because I will say, last night at the event and by the event of course, me and Seek Culture Live, we're recording this to day after we performed a song called to Become One by the Spice Girls, by One the Spice Girls or by five the Spice written by Emma Bunton.
She did not I was just told today that Emma wrote that song. Kid, there's no way to verify it. But there is literally no way to verify who wrote this song. It's lost to the sands of time. We'll never know it's it's it's it's ancient knowledge. But wow, And actually that would make a lot of sense to me because I did hear. I do think it's Spice Girls culture that they did write a lot of their songs.
And also that song iconically has that like little like last verse, which is like be a little bit wiser baby, put it on, Put it on. Because the Spice Girls were all about they were ahead of their time. They were about feminism, they were about girl power, supporting each other, individuality, and they were also about safe sex, honey, and they
were about calling a black person scary. I think they bravely called her scary because she did have the scary energy and they said, we're not going to shy away from the fact. Also that they did not coin their own names. It was this journalist who gave them all those names. You're kidding, you know, it was a journalist.
Like they just come out with the video I think you want to be had just come out and then this music journalist in the UK like assigned them the names just like kind of like, Okay, well now I don't love that really, but then but then they like owned it, they like took those titles and like really like I think that I think that they were all absolutely names. And also I really loved discovering last night
at the event. Of course, by the event, I mean City Culture Live, that me, you, Pat, Cat and of course one of our new sister Ben Platt, all have occupying a different spicel energy. Yes, you being you are absolutely posh, I think, but isn't I feel like Cat also could occupy is ginger spice ginger and of course Pat is sporty spice. You are I am scary scary spice, and is baby spice because Ben Platt is of course,
which we saw in Tiff and Hanson. Absolutely that was a huge part of the performance was his being fifteen and you break your arm when you're yes, and he had a broken arm in the show and for him to have a broken arm for a year and a half was really can you ask him about that? It's like, what would you like getting in that damn cast every day?
That's that's like alphabet and the green makeup. That's only that role and you know what iconic and we'll have to we'll have to ask him when we have him again. But you know who, I'm very curious if they've ever broken a bone our guest and and and it's but also to tie back to um, you know, early millennial or culture, she's wearing a damn shirt with Hillary Metamorphosis Tour two. That's actually is huge culture. And you know what, I'm very excited when we do so this is a
little BTS. At the end of the podcast recording, we do a picture and I'm so happy that this shirt is gonna have a place on on my grid, your grid, her we hope her grid. We don't ever expect people to post to make no expectations about the grid. But if you want to post to the grid, you're more than welcome. But it's not a requirement. Helps with the traffic, it absolutely helps. Helps with the heads. But there's no gun to your head. Sorry about the phrase. I only
say because it's a wives tale. I understand the sensitivity. It's an old wives tale. That phrase, especially a real culture. Gun to my head as an old wives tale, that's real culture. Number two mm hmm. But you know, but you know, um, we're so excited. She's so goddamn funny. I she did a sad she did a stadt a show recently that I was at, truly truly brought the house down. Has a joke that I have to quote back to her. What I've been thinking about since it
came out of her mouth. Now was the moment we'll do. I'll bring her you want to quote it back to her, of course, because she's not here yet. She's not here yet. We can see her, but she's not she's not the invocation were the invocation is happening now, she's not present yet. But umast a show, drag his ass Chelsea music call monthly. It's gonna come back in. It's returning, just like Adele,
just like a and um. Also, you can see her at the Comedy Hub in Houston, Texas, Honey on December and fourteen, where she's going to be doing some gigs and truly, just following this person is well worth your time. So you can see their grid. Who knows, you might even see a picture of the two of us and the Hillary shirt and it if she chooses to most of the grid and again, this is not it's merely encouragement. It's not mandated, right, um, But we're so excited she's here.
Please welcome into your ears. Mary Beth Bura. Oh my god, Oh my god, such a huge moment for me. Stop it. No, you don't even know. I told bo In this at the show. But I had. I used to have a goals well it's now defunct, but I had because it was it was holding me backing back. But I had a goal as well with posts of on my goals. It was like a term, medium term, long term lost culture.
But it is true. That is too kind. And also, honestly, if I were to make a goals well now, I think it would just be a large picture of you, honestly, because it's comedically Aesthetically. I was like, sometimes I do look up up at you one stage and I will find myself whispering underneath my breath goals, goals. I was like, sometimes I'll just be like, goals, she's got it. And I was a happy moment when I ran into you outside. That was beautiful. That was beautiful, and you too were
just squawking, squawking, squawking all the way up here. Did not let em I get a word in edgewise to tell you that unoficial expert was recording. You know, actually we did just truly barge into the room and n official expert was recording. And I feel very sad about our energy coming in that we honestly kind of I guess bum rush to the energy, but also get here on time and then you can be sucking out of here because you know they weren't scheduled to run over. Yeah, exactly, Wow,
merry breath is coming in. You make room, make room. I have to quote this joke back to you. Do you know what? I don't know which one um. You talk about how you're bisexual, and you're like, I don't think I identify as queer because my hair is too clean my hair. Told joke is that I'm bisexual. I wanted to call myself queer, but they said I can't because my hair is too clean. I think that's so that's such a good joke. It's gonna get me canceled. No,
well't no, here's because here's what it is. I thought about. You know why, you know why I love that fucking joke is because and why it's not problematic it's it's that it's like, it's a joke about presentation. It's a joke about queer presentation. It's like, yeah, like the people who call themselves queer like have fucking dunk in there
also enough for nothing, but it's also myself included. I'm dunking on myself right Well, I mean I've I've recently come to the whole realization of, oh, you don't have to wash your hair every day. I've been I've been that freako who washes my hair with shampoo and conditioner every day, sometimes twice a day. And that's literally the worst thing you can do, worse than worre Stiden jumping up her bridge. It is works for your hair, bring
up a bridge. But what I love about one of my favorite things about you is that you have such a strong point of view in your comedy and you have a persona that you really and I feel like that joke is like completely sorry to be UCB, but on game, on your persona and to be on game, but you have to give you have no choice because then someone will be like, well, that person didn't take a UCB class. They did not go through the curriculum one and then advanced study. Honey, did you do do?
Do the whole thing? The whole kid? How do I was thinking about that this morning. I was like, you know, part of me kind of wishes that I had gotten onto some team you because you and Katherine you last night at the Culture is like, oh, Matt cat pat All got all the way up to house teams and that was on a team. Actually we were on Maud at the same time. It was just like the Catherine
of of Old. I saw my first monment. I saw you did a mermaid sketch, and I was like, it was suddenly about like figuring out why mermaids are hot or something. I have no idea on a rolling thing like wearing a mermaid tail. And I turned my friend and I was like, wait, that guy's hot, and she was like gay and I was like, tragic you were
talking about that's so kind um. But to be called hot on the UCB stage actually is huge because I was once in the audience and looking up at people and being like, you know, when you get like a little show crush, it's usually for me how they look in pants. Yeah, I will sometimes get horny watching shows because actually in the book in the handbook, you're not allowed to wear shorts. Yeah exactly wrote that. Yeah, yeah, great, and we have no choice but to honor him. Yeah,
we actually have. No Did you hear about the Close movie? Oh no, no, no, I thought it was not being made. It's being made. Well, actually it's I believe it's a there were cultiple movies. This is literally called mogul Cake. Cannon is directing a film called Dell and Sharna, and it's going to be about the origins of improv as we know, got it, got it? Yeah, the film that we never knew we needed. Honestly, if it means an improv revival, the great I missed that every now and then, really,
I really do. I missed the culture of like just why because there is something fun about something completely disposable and like there's no thread to follow with this. It's not like you do like like like a stand up show that has like a specific premise to it, and then you like mind material out of that. It's it's nothing, it's just you do it. It's trash, it's worthless. Everyone's on the same page about how this is all you believe it for the moment, and that's that. I kind
of miss it. I will say there was something very there was something always very fun and always like blew me away. I don't know about you guys, but about people just coming up with that, know, it truly blew my mind. Every time I would see like a weekend team just absolutely knock it out of the park, I was like, this is actually like magic magic. The people who are the people who are so good at it
are geniuses. And then but but I will say, like I am very happy that, Like I'm not very happy, but it does it's pleasing to me in my career that it's sort of like expanded out into doing other things and like comments in New York because I felt for a while, and I don't know how you guys felt, but I struggled with like the UCB sort of improv thing like the Harold I just didn't connect with me. I just but I knew I wasn't bad at this.
But for that to be like, well, if you're not good at this, like this is like it's like very hard to it's going to be a note from me a dog exactly. M I felt very like oh no, and like sketch wasn't like popping like I feel like when we were like all kind of like watching it, and now I feel like it's flipped. I feel like improv is kind of like having a lull right now, and it's all about sketch. It's all about well, you know.
Also like the sketch on TV is like back, yeah, I know in a big way, Black Lady Sketch Show. And I think you should leave, Like there's like so much that was so that show. Talk about blowing me away, I mean just hit on hit I awkwardly and I do regret this. I will regret this to my dying breath. I awkwardly approached him Robinson at the Comedy Central Emmy party and was like, I just wanted you to know that your show, like I think it really like changed comedy.
And he was so caught off guard by my like brazenness and boldness. He just he didn't know how to process it. Tim Robinson, if you're listening, I'm sorry. I should have just waited to be introduced by someone, but I didn't. I just wanted you to know I think your show changed comedy. And it's like, oh my god, this has been the most overwhelming here at the thing, here at the Emmy's. It was a pre Emmy party, but it was it was. I regret it, No, don't
regret it. And I feel like he's the nicest, nicest person. Okay, I feel like he's not Like you didn't mock away from that being like, oh my god, who is that? Who is that? Like gorgeous woman who just came up to me uncomplimented my show? Again? Never dare should be kind? I approached me, approached, She approached me at this party. I'm around my peers, she says the Emmys. She approached meached to me. Um Well, honestly, I am happy about
the Sketch moment. And I can also say, um so Game Show was sharing a floor with the Black Lady Sketch Show because they are coming back to right their second season, and the vibes are very good in that office, in the office, in the room. So I think we can look forward to a very good season. And also I'll tell you who I stand now who I always love, but I love Miss Robbing. Oh she's great, she's good energy, She's going to be on Game Show. I ran into
in the hallway. I don't think she knew who I was. I was like hello, and then I just she is she's very very, very very good energy and I so I'm happy about I'm happy about sketch. I'm happy about that that's diversity in sketch because that is another thing is it's like like when at the time coming I look back at the stuff that I used to create when I when we were all kind of like in system,
and it's like, oh, that wasn't my voice. So I feel like, because you're trying to fit in with the boys, if it was always trying to fan with the boys, yeah, it's a pressure. And now you don't have to And now guess what, I'm the boys. It's come full circle. It's comforable. Well, I was always the thing about me as I was always technically a boy, right but but but it's hard. It's hard when there's people that are just a little bit more boys. But now you've reached
that pinnacle. I've reached that pinnacle, and I'm excited to see what comes next. Exactly the boys turned into the man? I don't know, we don't know, we don't know what is were you were you like around the annoyance when it was a thing, not really, I mean I had a crush on some people that were on teams there, So I did go one time. Names name names, I can if you want, wait, really, let's do it. I love naming names. Hold on, we're going to name name.
We're gonname if your name names and we canna. I mean my crushes at the Annoyance were obviously Carmen, Christopher, John Reynolds, Mapper, rats. Yeah, those are the three trifecta crush worthy. So I remember I went one time and I just thought it was, well, it wasn't nice. Let's just call a spade a spade. No ance, annoyance. It was definitely it was self aware of the great charm it had. Let's just say that it had. It smelled like rat but and then sometimes there would be rats.
But I did feel a sense of community around us, all being I'll be on the same page about okay, even like up to Annie don Leane filmmark, we were all like, yeah, like this is like gross space, yeah, but thank you for bring us together. Yeah it's gross, but also thank you as thinking. And it showed me some performers I wouldn't have otherwise seen. The first time I saw them was a chin kachin Ka ching late night show Thursdays at ucbast May she rest in peace.
And I remember just being like, okay, hot guys and the boys. They's the thing is, it's like you essentially are powerless to men who are attractive, and then when all that, when they are funny and oh my unfortunately is overwhelming. Don't get me. I mean, if we want to name names, it's that this has been, this will be.
My legacy is just hooking up with comedians. That's great. Honestly, I wish no, no, because I feel like you can isn't hooking up with comedians is dicey unless if you don't have the proper like coping mechanisms around, which now I do because I'm in therapy right exactly. But it's so it was frustrating as a gay man to want to get your nut so badly with some of these straight male comedians, and then afterwards you're like, why why why?
But there are so many hotay comedians now, and can I tell you, I'm thankful for that visibility as well. Thank you, thank you, thank you gay comedians. Thank you for taking to the stage so I can see how you look in jeans. Up there, and we can objectify you equally ejectify a Gamail comedian absolutely from doing that,
we can all see a Matail lane. Oh honey, we can I okay, all name names just to make the name names annoint people were saying Annoyance people don't know anyone, anyone, anyone from the from from that time, for anyone that you watched as someone who was coming up that You're like, I have a crush on that, Okay, easy. When I just moved to New York two thousand and eight, that was like for me, like Askat was like everything in the so Jason man Zukis, I was for this man
is the hottest person I've ever seen. Um and then truly Um had a little crush on Bobby moynahand too, and he was like he's so endurable and charming and and and like sexy and then okay and then and then'm just gonna skip straight to Annoyance. John Reynolds. Of course, Ryan Douglas Tech at the Annoyance would Tech remember him deep cut, but he's he's just the most sensitive, beautiful straight man. He was so kind and so patient with us. We were just the squawking gay man every every week
like COMOHI what an era? What an era? But he was like he was like kind of he had like a queer brain, you know what I'm saying, a gay little brain, straight man, the queer brain against that ally of all like hapital a ally um And then uh yeah that's it. And then with the gays, like I had crushed. I had a crush on every boy, like truly, like like teen girls squad, like had a crush on every boy. But I think we're all boy crazy but can never act on people. We're not here to like
yuck that at all. But I I just like couldn't. I never acted on it because I had been burned before Sam Tagger and I had had a whole song where I was like I'm in love with you and he was like, I'm so sorry. I don't know what to say that. And then we stopped talking for six months and then we like we're friends again. You needed the space, we need the space. And then now we're better friends than ever. Yeah, I mean this is this life is long, life is things happen. I'm trying to
think who who did I like absolutely have a crush on. Honestly, I will say I saw Thomas middle Ditch back in the day where I was just like, this man is a magician, and it was fully the hottest thing I've ever seen. I remember, I'll never forget like watching an old show. Josh Reuben sorry and Josh Ruben sorry. Well, And I will also say I literally took Brandon Gardner's two O one because I was in love with him
his arms wait wait wait yeah yah yeah yeah. And then honestly like he had that something quiet like improv sense energy where I was just like, you are hot and I couldn't actually perform in his class. I was actually had such a crush on him. And then I remember he would do the thing where he was like selecting students to make like a little indie teams. Never mind he picked he picked SUITI to be on one of his indie teams, and he did not I was not graced with this, and I was just like, well,
he doesn't like me. He doesn't have a crush on me the way that boy doesn't like me the way I like him. Was indie teams for advanced studies, he would just he would just like make it just was the thing. It was like, you know, like when I think when some teachers would like see that there was talent in their classes, they would say, hey, you should actually do this, be on a team and be good at it. But regardless, like I remember Middle Ditch, I
talked about this all the time. I saw him do a scene with Frank Glaspie where the played the sun in the moon and I was just like, these people are the best at this I've ever seen, and I've just just the thing the world's that Middle Ditch would create. No surprise to me that he has gone on to the success he has. And also the thing about the thing that I missed so much about the UCB Chelsea
Space is it was able to create amazing actors. I think because the space was so small close to the stage that you could do something really small and it would get a reaction. And so no performer that was was there thought like, oh I have to really do too much. Like they were encouraged to make those little small things, and I think that's why it's created such and those are people who are good actors on camera because you don't have to be big, you know what
I mean. But that's not the new space does not have that advantage. No, it does not. It's kind of just it encourages a different kind of performance, a very big performer. I sometimes wonder if I was on a team there now if I do better because I'm I struggled with being too big sometimes too But listen, it's never not a bad thing to have energy. It's not a bad thing. But also, what I love about you is you are in control of you. The Mary Beth Brown vibe is you come to me, but the Marybeth
Thrown vibe. This is what's so stunning is that it's it's it's on one. It's consistent the entire time. There's no like every now and then they'll be like a little flare up. It's beautiful. It's all intentional. It's you're in control of it. But I'm just like that takes patience, and that takes practice, and that takes like a discipline, and I admire that. Thank you. It's definitely I've I've wavered on it in certain moments to be like, well, I could just be like big and just like tell
hacky jokes and have an amazing career. You know, I think we all I don't know about you guys, but I think for me as a one. I could just do the expected and like everything would work out. But I've chosen to do me, and I don't want to be like, oh, the way I've chosen it so hard.
That's not how I feel. It's just like sometimes I'm like, yeah, this is what I chose and this is what I'm doing, But I do you know, it's it's been pretty consistent, and I would say since the beginning, because it's truly like me on stage and off stage are not that different. But it's yeah, it's I've definitely found in the last year that I've I think I've hit my sweet spot with performing on stage and that feels really good. I'm sure I'll get better, of course, but it's it's I
feel like good about where I'm at. You've been popping off. I thank you. Who do you Who do you like when you were growing up? Like we'll ask you the actual question, but like who are your like? Comedic influences? I'm curious as a kids like growing up, like who are you like? I feel like something about that is right. Well, I have five older siblings and three brothers, two sisters, so I feel like I was exposed to a lot
of like more mature culture as a kid. I mean I still had my like Mary Kay and Ashley Spice girls, Hilary Duff. Those were all the points of angry. Yeah. But then, I mean, we always watched a lot of Comedy Central. We watched a lot of Chris Farley movies. My dad loved comedies, so we would listen to like Steve Martin records, we watched I don't out. We would watch a lot of old SNL Like. I think those things were really important as a kid, just absorbing it
and not even really knowing that. And then you know, I remember, and my mom will deny this, probably actually she might not, but when I was little, she was like female comedians, they all they do is talk about their periods. They're just not funny. And I never forgot that because I mean, it's just such an insane thought to have. But I so now I don't really do period jokes. Your mom is Eliza. My mom is Eliza.
She looks amazing for her, she looks absolutely incredible. One thing you can't take away from a one thing you can't take away. But I did internalize that a little bit. I mean I never thought comedy could be a career, and there just weren't that many women doing it. You know, you would see women doing it on SNL, but I
never I fell into comedy. I didn't. Actually, I wasn't like a I wanted to be an actress or a pop star when I was younger of one of the two, and I didn't care which one because it seemed very glamorous. I still don't care which one. I still want to be an actress. That will happen, and I don't care which one. Someone who's a pop star, I can tell you that it's it's the same. But then I just was like, it's not realistic. So I didn't even I mean, I never even saw an improv show when I signed
a prim one and one. But you just was that just you being like, oh I don't Willie Narly, I'll just do it, or was that you being like I'll try this out. Like it was just truly like I want a hobby. Great, And then my life took such a sharp left turn because I was like, oh, this, this is what I meant to do. After my first open mic, which was an open Michelle at You and Sue Smith, and I remember just like the feeling I got I had. When I got off stage, I was like,
oh I found it. Wow, that's great. It was insane because before that it was acting or it was that was that was the track. No. I was working at a tech startup. Oh great, wait which start up? Warby Parker. I almost got involved when they didn't give you your eclipse glasses. I almost told the social media team to reach out to you, because I have a lot of friends still there. God, I didn't get involved that ild
go please. I walked over to because remember during the eclipse, Yeah, everyone's giving out those glasses or people were like the cereal boxes like whatever. But I think I didn't. I don't think so, honey. I didn't think so honey, that's right. And I was. I was working down the street from the Warby offices, and I gotta say, the people, I mean, they've changed offices, but the people at reception at Warby some of the some of the coldest, coldest people I've
ever met in my life. I was just like, I got an exam there once and they were like, I'm sorry, you're we will wait over there because you're staying in the wrong place right now. It was people like really giving me a lot of golf, and I was like, oh, okay. Anyway, there was a huge theme in your and your I don't think so, honeyes of like you being like wronged by retail. I'm telling you, there's like if you really,
if you listen back, there's like a thread. There was a strong thread of going like being wrong by people who like represent retail, like work for chains, work for brands, like it is. It is a very presidents failing one. I don't think so honey at a time, but when you SNL cast member dismantling capital asolutely, Okay. So it was Warby and then like but then and then after that was just like okay, I'm on this track, I'm
gonna do comedy. Yeah. I pretty much like blew my life up because I was living with my boyfriend at the time. We were going to get engaged and he just moved to Grammarcy and uh, you know, I had a pretty good job. I had actually left Warby to go to I started in prov at Warby. Then I went to a different startup to be a product manager and then product manager. Yeah, and then when I was like, oh the comedies that comedies it, you know, I quit for a month and have a job worked at sole
cycle front desk. Then I had a few other full time jobs and stuff, which is so when was that? That was three summers ago. So you you might know Ariel Padilla Dave's boyfriends. Yes, I do so great instructor, actually a beloved instructor. And in fact, someone someone last night even was like I take arials class and I saw cycle next to and they pointed to someone who was Lucy lou Oh my god. And she would come into say she has not aged a day. It is.
It is actually like beautiful to watch. She's just stunning. She's stunning, and she's starting to paint these lesbian erotic paintings. What did you see this text on the thread last night? No, Lucy lou Is, Oh yes I did. I just didn't engage in. She's painting these abstract like lesbian paintings. They're beautiful, and she's she has a big gallery show and she's gonna sell them. Oh my god, I heard she sucking slays on the bike. Oh yeah, she rides to the
beat every time. Um, and the where were your product manager? Where were your product manager? It was I don't even know if it's still a company. It was like a Tampon subscription company. Not not Lola though, which is like the one that everyone knows. It was a different one. Um, and I just was like, wait, this is not what I want to do. Wow. But you were like managing. You were just like using like asana and ship and just like, yeah, what is that. It's this like the
worst thing. It's this platform where you like a sign projects and you update status. You make everything into tasks and then you move them into different like buckets, and this is the opposite of comedy. No, it is truly the opposite of live comedy. And I was happy that I like had that experience because I made a lot more money at that job than I did at my previous job, and I knew that money was not the thing. Like, yeah,
obviously I love money, literally obsessed with it. I think money is like the best and yes, and that movie upset me, but it was very good. It was a very good film. Uh So I just realized in that through that experience, like I don't care right now about money because clearly making more of it's not going to make me enjoy my job. So I just want to do what I want to do beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, honestly worth it. Yeah. Well, I mean I have no regrets.
I've for some reason, like I just take these huge leaps in my life, like dropping out of college, moving to New York, and then doing this comedy stuff. It's like what I don't Sometimes I look back and I'm like, I can't believe I did that, But I wouldn't done it any other way. Where did you go that you dropped out of Boston College BC? I very nearly want to BC. Actually such a good school. Yeah, it's a great school. If you're an elitist, What can tell you to drop out? I just was studying to be an
English teacher and I didn't want to do jesus. Yeah, so what an expensive place to go? Who? Yeah, if you're if you're starting to be an English teacher at Boston College, drop out, No, you're you can go to a you can go to a state school or a community college. No, no, no, not JK. Not JK is insane. He want to dismantle capitalism. We have to start you start with higher education. Start with higher education. Truly. Do
not do stories, yes, yes, not just listen. If you're there like, and this is abruptly shocked to you, like intern examine yourself. You should examine that, ask yourself why, if this is true, what else is true? Yes? And these are things, These are things are actually really good. These are things. So wow, how long did you go to just for two years? Two years is a long time. Yeah, it was. Yeah at the midpoint, you're like, I gotta decide, I gotta go. Was that rough with the parents when
you dropped out? Well, I'm lucky and being the youngest, my parents are like we just want our kids to be have to They're like we're tired. Just what and've their five other kids like truly like kept through the Yeah. Yeah, and like you know, my oldest brother pursued being a professional athlete for a while and that was like I mean I think just watching him do that and like take that risk too was good. Um, so they were just really supportive. I mean they definitely were like worried,
but I don't know. I went to Catholic school for ten years and that was like in Greenwich, Connecticut. We had one black person in our whole school. And then I went to public high school and that was like a huge culture shock. And I met all these people from different backgrounds, and then when I went to BC, it was like Catholic school all over again. So I just was like, I don't want to be a on these people. You would see the other side. Yeah, and I'm not like I'm not touting myself as like, oh
my god. When I was twenty, I was so woke and I was just like all these white people, but it was so like homogeneous, and everyone's dad was like a senator or likened Pcarty, and I was just like, this isn't it. Everyone's dad owned Yeah truly, So I just I said no more. Yeah, it really is. Um
it feels when you're there on campus. Remember I went to the tour, It is like you can't stop talking about how beautiful it is and like cathedrals, and it really is such like a it's such like a trap for white parents from the suburb, you know what I mean, Like if you can afford to take your kid there and you go there, it's so beautiful and it's so like white. It's a good school, like it makes I think in terms of academics. It's on top of that, I think it makes some okay boomers feel you know
what I'm safest, but I'll tell you what. They don't have their culture. Culture. Um, I think any people are made a funny joke about Boston College because she gave some speech at Harvard and she was famous alumna. She she goes I went to Boston College, which some say is the Harvard oft. I think it's such a funny thing. That is very good bringing it back to UCB. Okay, should asked Mary read the question we have actually even floating around around now we should actually attack. Um, you
asked it. Okay, so Mary with room, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? This is the culture that when you looked out the window, it was the one cloud in the sky and you were like, m I see that cloud filling up and it will rain down on failing up. Yeah, the first culture and whatnot? The first culture I saw and said that was definitely Mary Kayton culture. My god, can you believe it's first time we have discussed Mary culture. I mean, well,
it was like it was the perfect storm. Because I was young when they were playing Michelle on I mean I think those might have even been reruns at that point. But my older siblings would watch show because it's a family comedy, and I was just like, who are these just amazingly talented actresses. They're playing one character between the two of them, and that I've never seen that before.
You never know who you were. It truly did, and I know it's because of child labor laws so they could get more out of the kids and they didn't have to, I guess, take as many breaks. But then you know, Mary Kayton Nashley, for me was like they really came at you from all angles. They had to sleep over series, they had will Solve Any Crime by dinner time, they had the fan club, they had feature films.
Someone to theaters, not a lot of them, but then some of them went straight in New York minute and I think It Takes Two is in theaters as well. Actually Takes Two is actually very good culture formative and listen. So I performed It Takes Two as a one woman's show at the Slipper Room in June on the eve of the Also Twins birthday, and it was so much fun. But it was like it was such a passion project for me because I wanted to at forever. I know,
the movies start to finish all the lines anyway. But when I was little, I used to freak out when my parents would go to dinner, like when they would leave me with the babysitter. I was just like, don't go. I have attachment issues. But that's for another podcast. Uh. And I remember one night my mom was like, well, we got you a president's surprised, like we're you know, for while we're gone, And I was like, what is it? And she was like, well, who are your favorite celebrities?
And I was like four, and I didn't really know what that meant, but she was like, she gave me the hs if it takes two. So I would watch that movie to fall asleep. I've probably seen it hundreds and hundreds of times, and it just for me that they were just it, you know, Mary, Kate, Mary Beth. I felt very connected and even though as she was more of the fashion one, it's just like, I don't know, for me at that age, it was just like, oh
my god, this is it. Also, they were very good in that, and I will say there's a couple of kind of things about that movie. One the chemistry between Gutenberg and Kirst Listen, we we have our thoughts about Kirst Alley. Now we wish her well on her journey and we hope that that we hope that works itself out.
What are you talking about, Well, she's a scientology and very much but but you can't argue that absolutely iconic, comedic actress and her in Gutenberg in the water when when his shirt gets stucked it he's so hot, He's literally so hot. Gutenberg is, I would let him crush me, and so no, I really would to this day. And um, Kirsty Alley and then they were so amazing the chemistry between them and also the iconic. I always love a good white bitch girlfriend. Yeah, she was iconic. Diet coke
coming up. I love the delivery of like because you know, it's like the actress made the choice, like I need to keep my way with for even longer, and she just goes with that is masterful. And she's at the telescope and that's after the gum has been spitting her hair, so she's short hair. Oh my god, I'm telling you you need especially it's a rule of culture. You need a good white bitch girlfriend number thirty three. Oh my god, I'm telling you she was iconic, and I wish that
she booked more. And you know what's fun about that movie is, and I've said this before, it's the parent chop without the science. Yeah, they're identical strangers and it has never explained also the line of strangers, and it's like what and you just fully accept it. And here's the realty. They're not identical. They're not. They're fraternal, which a lot of people don't know. And my sister fought me tooth and nail on this and she said, I
bet you can't tell them apart. She held a picture, held up several pictures, and I could tell them apart every time. What are the defining difference just in terms of like how the the egg gets fertilized? That's all it is, right, No, that I understand. Sorry, sorry sorry, that was the most Like what are the differences between Mary Kit and Ashley? And you're like, well, it's how that gets fertilized. That was iconic. You are super Yes,
what are the differences between them? Well, Ashley, Ashley's face is a little longer and they have a slightly different nose and there. I mean, it's just their faces are slightly different. It's very subtle. And you know, and when they were twelve or eight or however old they were in that movie, wasn't like so noticeable, right, They've since grown into quite different. Yes, how do you feel about them now? Like, how do you feel about them now?
How they exist as people? I am just happy that they seem to be as well adjusted as they possibly can be. Youngest billionaires in the world they were when they their dual star production companies. I know they changed smoked cigarettes and they both date like fift year olds. I'm just happy they get through the day. I'm probably
them for getting through the day. And you know, I'm actually happy they stuck to their guns and didn't do that full house reboot and they and they have their fashion line which keeps them busy, and I think that's great. But also, yeah, you're right about there is something to be said about how and yeah, let's just use the term ill adjusted. I'm not not that that was I'm
just like, is that the right term? But yeah, that's because I would say and to draw comparison to like a lohand it's like, yeah, like that could have gone, that could have swung so far in a bad direction, and they seem to be doing great. They had one of them. Which one of them? They both one of them had bowls full of cigarettes at her wedding. At her wedding, which one was that Mary Kay? Think it was Mary Kay. She just cart like cartons of cigarettes
at her wedding. And which one was on weeds? Oh, one of them was on weeds. I remember. It was like iconic that one of them was doing something without the other. It was probably Mary Kay. She seems to be the one that goes rogue. Are we fans of Elizabeth Olsen Yessan just only recently saw Ingrid Goes West. Oh,
very good. I loved the entire thing. It's in. Elizabeth is incredible and she's actually iconic in it plays plays that part of the influencer so well and makes you actually very fascinating performance because you've seen this right, like because you get that she's like a little bit of a ridiculous person, but then when you meet her, you're also like, you can't hate her, No, you can't, because
she's also trying hard and has the same insecurities. And it's like as her character gets flushed out more, even towards the end where she's like telling spoiler alert, where she's telling every Plaza like this is crazy, like you are on her side, but also she is helping create an environment that that really traumatizes people that look up to people like right right, And so it was I thought that was one of the best movies of the past few years, that it was so good and it
was so truthful, like the writing. I don't know everything about it, just blue. It's stunned me really because I didn't know what to expect going into it. When I watched it, I thought it was that none movie that Abby Plaza had been in, So this was truly different than what I was expecting, very different films. Also, Um,
that was incredible. That was like I was always like a little bit of an Aubrey Plaza skeptic because I kind of I'm kind of like hesitant about the kind of like dead pan like thing that she always seemed to do. And then as she's grown into an like an actress capital, I am into it. And also she was very good on that effect show with the superhero show. H Um, you know the one what the guy from Downton Abbey, I don't know that one. It was like, yeah, yeah,
I'm forgetting the name. But she she played essentially played the villain on it, and it's very good. She gives some very performances nowadays, and she could fucking sob like nobody. That movie was amazing and also I really liked the way it ended, so spoiler alert, but basically, like Ingrid is trying to become social media fans in the way
that Elizabeth Olsen is social media famous. And Elizabeth Olson is very much like that sunny girl in the hat that's like iced coffee today, iced Queen never or something stupid like I'm happy and like and like she's like kind of like I'm happy. Bitches, Yeah, it's happy. But um so, basically, uh, Aubrey Plas is very mentally ill, and she um there's like an attempt on her own
life and she she posts a video. She posts a video and is like, um, basically kind of becomes like a symbol of like I'm I need help and and I'm really struggling, and she unsuccessfully tries to tick her own life, wakes up, sees that she has become like an icon in this way, and her face lights up and you realize, like, wow, she hasn't actually changed. It's it's not a happy ending. I would say, no, there,
it's not necessarily happy. It's a comment I think, yes, I on the deep sickness that we all have when it comes to social media on more than others. But fascinating movie I thought very timely, like I would I would even say, like, really missed a screenplay nomination and just like it did not get the praises. I mean they were there have been. I feel this way about like a handful of movies over the last few years, but that movie specifically just did not get to play
it deserves. That could be the It's not a mean girls, but it's like it should have the icon status of like a movie that truly defines our time. It defines I think it's the for me. It feels like the earliest, not the earliest, but one of the bigger artistic statements about this generation in social media, just the way that people relate to it. I think it got something so so right. Well. That production company Neon, they're starting to pop off, and I think it was one of their
first things. And I think, you know, as that production company and whoever is working there is obviously finding really interesting scripts and really producing great stuff. It feels like they'll start to pop off even more. I believe that year they also did that twentieth Century Women. Yea, so
they they're telling female stories. And you know, I think a large reason why maybe Ingrid Goes West didn't get the attention that that maybe should have is because of about young women, and it's about social media, which I think people are yeah, yeah, and they think, well, we can't necessarily take this seriously. But I mean, then again, you have The Social Network, which I think is one of the movies people took the most seriously over the last ten years, and when I saw it, I was like,
very taken with it. And now with what Facebook has become in the narrative now, it's it's so interesting. I almost would like to see not Aaron Sorkin do this, se to that, because I mean, it's the narrative of Facebook now is completely changed and more from what it was when that movie came. Right. Um, but the OLSA, so you do you identify with me Mary Kate More, you would say, I guess like they both because they're geminis. I'm a gemini. That was always a huge deal to
me as well. I feel like, I don't know, I think I have like shades of both. But it was really I think it was good to grow up as a young girl in the early nineties because there were so many like powerful iconic women at that time. Like I didn't know as a kid that like women were still struggling, you know what I mean. And I was like, Oh, everything's fixed, like there's no issues. I didn't have that like consciousness till I grew up a little bit more.
But it was like you had the Spice Girls, Britney Spears was huge, like Christine Aguilera, even like the Jessic Simpsons, Mandy Moore's. That whole moment was like as I was growing up, And I think that even also like I love the eighties, nineties, seventies, when when I would watch that, it gave such a nice taste of like cultures past, but in a frivolous way that like didn't really underloadt
low stakes. Yeah, so that was huge also. I mean v H one, I feel like, for some reason, was like very influential in my cultural knowledge as a kid. Were you not allowed to watch MTV, not allowed to watch MTV? I was not allowed to watch MTV because for some reason, every time it was on. I think it was like the sexual stuff for like dating shows
were always on. My mom was like, you are not watching this, so she would turn on vach She said you can watch one, which I don't know how if you feel this way, but I think that it was
just as sexual. It was just like more mature and more like underhanded, right, So it was like instead of like instead of like close up shots of like Britney Spears's crotch, it was like Shania Twain wrapped up in like a wool sheet like and like watching a man in like a black and white video like sort of Approacher on the Beach, And I was like, this is just as erotic, right. I remember VH one in this
What's that song? The first song that More and five came out with, this last this Love the video on VH one they censored it. IMTV they did not. That was I don't know about you, but that Adam leaving was actually a sexual awakening for me at that time. That video video goes there, it really goes down. I mean he's on top of her. He looks at the camera and says keep her coming every night, and they're literally having sex and literally he was on top of her.
He was I love like like fucking skinny, like like the kind of like like he was so like like I have in a band thin at that time. And he had like his like long hair, and he was like he looked older than than he does now, I'll say. And he rolled over on top of this like model and looked into the camera and said, A keeper coming every night. And I was just like, this is a
this is sex. There's no choice. Do you think, Like what can you think before this this love video of like, well I get I remember the very first time I heard the song Harder to Breathe, and I was like, what is this? This guy's voice is great, and we were I remember I was driving home from a baseball tournament from upstate New York and we were like, remember it was like we were winding through like it's so visceral.
We were like winding through um these like sort of roads in like Cooperstown, New York, because it's very hilly and Harder to Breathe came out and I was like, is this justin timber Lake? I remember I thought it was justin timber Lake, but I was like, there's some other quality about this voice I haven't heard but four,
and I was like remembering. I remember I wrote down the words Harder to Breathe because I figured that was the name of the song because at that time, it was like there was no like And then did you go to eight to the lyrics dot com? Yes, I looked it up on my family's computer. It's so weird to think about how how far the technology has come then, like this is still around the time where you had like really searched for a song you loved if you
wanted to hear it. But I remember that song was just like so incredible, and then this love I was like wow, and then she will be loved like Sunday Morning. That's very good album. Yeah, and the second album, what is it won't be soon? Really good. I actually I have to say, like, I know they're a joke, but I love do I Oh, I love. I mean, I'm not even ashamed of it. You know what I like Cold Play? While we're at it, come on, sorry, give it to us cold cold Play. I will say I
saw Maroon five. I saw Maroon five in the Counting cirls on in a concert one time. I've literally tried to go see other ba ends and as a result, I've seen the Counting Crows three times because they've always
been on bills. I've seen Google Dolls and they played with Counting Crows, and I've seen Maroon five and they played with the Counting Crows, and both times, like the Counting Crows were like obviously the main thing and mostly straight guys and always at Jones Beach and literally the opening act for Maroon five and Counting Crows was someone I was so annoyed to see at the time, who I am now a huge fan of. Sarah Burrellis and friend Allison were like in the back like Jones Beach,
like when is this bitch gonna stop singing? Like shop stop with the love song. It's so annoying, it's so played out. And now it's like I stand Sarah Brellis, like things change and now it's like she would obviously
headline that show. Yeah, there are worse bands thought to like be like tro for sure, but I remember they didn't play long December and if almost like what the fun Like Adam Durs was like all right, good night, and then it was just like it was like they didn't play like their number one song and everyone was like really mad to watch these straight men get like their dicks soft because they weren't going to hear long December by the Counting Crows. B I'm a white man
with dreadlocks by woman threadlocks. Absolutely, wait, let's I'm really curious to know this about Marybeth Um. Let's just give you. Let's just give you a few things. Yeah, let's give you a Folston Twins, Lindsay Lohan, Hilary Duff, and then like who I just want like not a ranking, but like just like a quick little assessment. And did you also love Raven? I was a Raven fan. Well, I watched all those I mean, I mean this is I
watched The Cosby Show. So another huge part of culture for me was Nick at Night because I Love Lucy was on and that became my absolute favorite show, my obsession for holidays. When my relatives would get me presents, it was always like I Love Lucy themed. I would have the dhs of like best episodes. I mean, I like stand that show so hard. My phone's name is Lucy mcguilla cutty, and that will be when I have
to make hotel reservations. So it's like I don't know, Nick and Knight was so like integirl and I watched The Cosby Show and there was all in the family. But Jefferson's like that. And you know what gen Z has comedy. It's very sad, very sad because that show and if you watch it again, the fact that they were able to make so many episodes in a studio with four main characters, and every single episode is so different, and the hijinks of it all, it's just like some
episodes are a little maybe problematic. But she had so much agency on that show. She was she was an icon and she owned that production company with Desi and they they basically like were pioneers of the television. And I mean also I think one of, if not the best physical comedian. Yeah. So that's when I met Raven Simone for the first time. Was on Rudy. Rudy was played by um um, we know, we know that. I just I just blocked out what was Raven's I know,
I forget her name on the show. It's so cute and she was always wearing a little like jumpsuit, you know, just made funny like quips to Bill Cosby. I have to I have to find out doctor dood a little to remember that. I was, like I was, I was obsessed with Raven. I saw Raven Beverly Center three weeks ago. Yes, of course it's actually she's like, it's real culture number ten. She's still working, she's still doing stuff. She's she's out there.
I think she was. She was on a reality show recently. Huh. Yes, she was on like Big Brother or something. Yeah. Right, still still got any work. I'd love to see it. Yeah, but yeah, it's this thing now where it's like, there's no it's harder for somehow, it's harder to for for gen Z to access to those things because they're not being it's not being curated for that well, there's too much. Yeah, and it's like on Hulu. I mean I'm thinking abouts
on Hulu because I know where to find it. But as someone who was like fourteen right now and like a black and white show with like an audience when I watched that, But if you're listening to the sneer gen Z, I just urge you to watch it start to finish. There's not a dull moment. It's so good, so many iconic episodes. Absolutely, I mean I memorized that whole monologue, and I wanted my mom to fill me doing it in our kitchen, and I got so nervous when she wrote the camera out that I could not
physically get the words out. But like when I think back on my early days, there were a lot of things that pointed to where I'm at now, but I just didn't know time. Yeah, for sure didn't realize totally. But you'll never forget the conveyor belt with the chocolates something really so many good things. And I learned what a counterfeit was from that show because remember like when she accidentally pays with the counterfeit bell and she gets
like arrest out. It's so great, amazing. There are two beds, two beds that they pushed together for the first time in TV history. They shared a bed, never shared a bed, and a woman had never been pregnant on TV. Yes, and that was that was iconic to that when they dealt with the fact that she had the baby, yeah right, but they never discussed sex or anything. Obviously the episode. I almost had chills thinking about the episode where she
tells Ricky she's pregnant. Any sings this song We're having a baby at the Tropicana. Oh my god, that and it's that episode. I don't think it's on Hulu, but it's so goddamn good. And also they were classic chemistry too, I mean that was power couple, like one of the first like entertainment power couples you can think of. You know, this is actually so weird, but that we're talking about this because I just took my parents were in town in l A. And they wanted to do the Paramount
Studio tour. So we did that and they talked all about how they Desilu the production company like also produced Star Trek. I mean yeah, like they were responsible for so much and then when they divorced, um Lucy sold
the company and those it became something else. But how how much money she got from that and she continued to produce and like she was like a icon and to also be that business woman and icon and businesswoman at the time like to be taken so seriously probably had something to do with No one could do what she did on just I mean you could not argue with her sheer talent, not replace that, no her in that role or with anything she did, like names she played name you know, well she did and she had
so many great movies before the show where she's just gorgeous. I mean, just like we worship beautiful. She was a silent film actress. That's how she started, and she started like doing silent dramatic film acting. And I think, you know, it's just so interesting that there really wasn't like a comedy female comedy star before her, or if there were, like it was like more of a vaudeville moment, right, you know, like back I guess back in the day
day day, like the Fanny Brices of it all. But I mean, well, speaking of that, one thing, I'm excited to see that for culture. One thing I mean I'm excited for the for this to happen in the culture is for there to be the first gay male stand up that really is like just just the biggest name in comedy at the time. Like I feel like Amy Schumer had it for women for a little bit, and I'm just waiting for the first gay mail stand up
to just like bust through the ceiling. Yeah, I mean I think that everyone there there are some people making making plays for it. I'm sure you know. It's it's it's so interesting And I was thinking about, like this is so weird. But I was thinking about how like Buddha Judge is doing very well in Iowa, you know what I mean, and he may even win the Iowa Caucus. And I was thinking to myself, like, I just never
I still don't really trust it. Like whenever anyone really gets behind the game, man, I'm like, are you gonna like hurt us later? It feels like a trick, you know, like my like high school mentality comes back where it's like, at what point do you am I going to get made fun of? Like it's almost like so whenever there's like and I'm happy that it's happening, like it feels like there's like it's definitely more people game gay people
occupying the mainstream. But I'm always just like I guess that where of that last generation where it's like I'm side eying it a little bit of course, you know what I mean. And I feel like gen Z doesn't necessarily they don't have those hang ups have that because I think they're growing up in like an easier world for the most part in terms of acceptance of that. But it's just it's interesting that you say that because I've thought, you know who will be that first huge
marquee male gay comedy star. There's definitely lots of names that come to mind. There are some candidates, Darling. I mean, I think it's great that Billy is going to be in that it's gonna be romantic comedy. It's introduced by John Appeta. I think that's great. You know, he's not as much of a stand up stand you're talking specifically stand up if I'll name names like Jabookie is like the bridge between gen Z and millennials, and like he is able to like just turn out like fucking hits
every single day. He's a He's a damn star. I feel like he is like pushing a lot of stuff forward, I guess, And I don't want to be like I totally bedicting or anything. He's like phenomenal. I guess, Like
I'm not. I'm trying not to be reductive when I say this, But sometimes it's like when you see stand ups talk and I think, what what I really relate to in a stand up is when they talk so openly and emotionally raw about their life, you know what I mean, and that that includes their sex life, that obviously includes their love life, dating life, social engagement with
the relationships with our friends. Um, I wonder if like if people really saw a game, you know, like pop off about gay sex and you see I mean, like for example, Jolie, like he is very honest about like his I mean, unabashedly and his Twitter is what it is and you know what I mean, Like and even though he's like you know on TV now and like he's doing his thing like his he does not compromise his comedy at all, at his point of view at all.
And I'm like, I really am curious about like when everyone does that, like which which is happening more and more, like how the mainstream is going to respond to that and whether or not they'll push us up or be like cool, yeah, and we feel like you're occupying enough space. And now we'll we'll we'll we'll watch our Bill Burr vide out now because you know what's going to happen, is I hope, right, I hope. I think What's what
I hope it's going to happen? Is I watched I think can watched Richard Pryor again for the first time in a while, and like just like otherworldly, like you're like what like everyone is just like like just eating out of the palm of his fucking hand, and it's like best best of all time. Like there's gonna be like something like that. I think. I think that's probably we're talking about. Mary is like some someone is gonna come or maybe they're already here where it's just like
they're gonna like light themselves on fire. They're gonna do something that's gonna get people, that's gonna make people go crazy, and they're gonna be in a good way. They're like, Wow, this is something we've never seen before, and this is huge and this is Yeah. Also, I think like the way I think about it is like gay men and young women I think have the spending power right now, Like they're the people that are going out to see
these things. Are the people that are like buying merch not even to think about it in such like productive terms, but it's like at a very basic level, I think if if there is one person that kind of rises, it will the people that matter, whose opinions matter, will will like propel that person forward. I think the only thing I see in in that would be tough And I don't want to make like a comment on gay culture is like just not having them taken down from within,
you know what I mean? What I see is people canceling each other, and it's like, well, let's just let's just get this going. Let's not be our own like biggest block. Let's not It's it's like with everything. I mean, dot's not eat it before it happens. And I think you are right to say that because for a long time, and I think this obviously with women as well. You know what you see, you see it especially in every in every field. You see it especially I mean never
more than with black female rappers. What we do to them, you know what I mean, and what and what you know they do to each other because we're all exists in a space where they're historically has not been room for more than one and so when it looks like that space is going to be taken, what happens to you inside is you get you go into attack mode. Um, it's the smith of their not being enough. Yeah, whatever,
I'm gonna quote Tina Tina. Tina writes about this embossians she does when she talks about women, like talking in terms of competing with other women, It's like, no, you're not in competition with women, You're in competition with everybody, which I know sounds like a very like lazy way of like a simplified way of thinking about it, but it really is what that is because you're in competition with people who are parenting, who are feeding us the
line of well there's not enough room, like who think about who is saying that? Well, I would agree, But I also I think like we cannot ignore the reality that like the people that are making decisions, they do have a mentality of what we have one you know what I mean? Are they have They have had that mentality And so it's something that I'm so happy that like we're talking about, because once that gets vocalized, you know,
it's not acceptable. And so now that it's like out there in public knowledge that it's not acceptable, and we know there's so much talent there are now is fully no excuse. So so we shouldn't feed into that mentality as well. And that's where I think, like we should get behind what she's saying. Bitch, here's what I'm gonna say,
and I don't feel uncomfortable saying this. Joel and I were on fucking Molly on Fire Island and We're both looking at each other's eyes and said, I'm so fucking happy that we're both this is happening for both of us together, that we like because this just disproves that whole myth entirely. But there's only even for one like a gay sest Asian male comedian to succeed. That is
so that is patently false. I mean, it's it's it's definitely speaks volumes that I mean even on NBC there's Manico and there's Joel Well Rest in Peace Sunny Side on NBC, but now it's on Hulu. But the fact that it still stands, you know what I mean that three queer Asian people on the same network network and you know what, that's it's it wouldn't have been guess what NBC is still standing, you know what I meant, torn down remains and that is just further proof that
it is possible in this climate. I think, I mean, it's an exciting time to come up because I think people are getting more aware of the like um self sabotage that we have that we do like in our little pockets and communities. But it's also you know, then there's more opportunity than ever, there's more streaming platforms, blah blah blah. But I'm just excited to see the real shift happened because there's a lot of talking about it, and I think it's just like okay, I'm ready. Yeah.
You know what makes me so happy is that when Dave and I are booking like game show, it often it's harder to think of contestants that are the straight men to come on the show than it is to book the Woman who Gets It or the Wise Queer, like, which are the lifelines because two straight men compete with each other to be honorarily gay as fun, they each have a lifeline. You both have been incredible on the show,
the Woman who Gets It and the Wise Queer. And it's like there's so many I think it's probably because that we're in the was that we're in. We know so many people that are just happened to be you know, diverse, like in terms of like they're not just like white straight dudes, but it's it was so fun. You don't go straight dudes though, no, no, no no, But I mean like it's like they occupied such a space for such a long time that it's like it's sometimes makes
thrills me. It's exciting people. It's like you see if people that you want on the shop in those roles as opposed to like the people that you're you know, kind of poking fun at. Yeah, it's important to say that it's not endangering their livelihoods at all. It's it's not endangering their shots. It's like, it's just it's just it's just better balanced, that's all it is. It is
not displacing someone else's opportunity. Because because this is the other thing that's being sort of touted around in in terms of diversity conversations and entertainment now, is that they're like, well, I didn't get that staffing job because um they had a diversity higher or something like that. Look at the members now. It hasn't actually changed that much, hasn't changed that much. So you saying I didn't get that job because I wasn't diverse is parenting a line that someone
else is someone else fed you because it's better. It's less embarrassing than to say I didn't get it because I wasn't good enough. And honestly and maybe you and I'm sure you are good enough. But it's also like, then keep realizing your talent and what you have to offer for the next thing. That it's also just so stupid to say I didn't get a job for that reason,
Like like we're all in this industry. We all don't get jobs all the every day, literally every day, and so it's just like boring, you know, That's what it is. It's a boring thing to say. It's it's just it's like it's not true, it's boring. It's just it's it's stupid. Yeah, And also it's like there's a lot of course correction to be done. So even if it is true, still fuck you, Like like you just you weren't. You weren't
the best candidate. That's regardless of what they're like require erman s where you were not the best candidate and that's it. And also ship gets around and also if good luck to you if you're the one saying, well, I didn't get it because of this reason, because guess what if you say that to me, I don't. I'm telling other people. I'm like, oh God, like hearing that people say that is just so it is so embarrassing, Yeah for them clowning on yourself. Um, I want to
talk about what you've learned about boys? Yeah, what if your findings because I keep thinking about this one. Whatever, What are like generalizations you can make about behaviors? I would say, Well, so when you're trying to identify a fun boy, there's definitely red flags. But what the biggest
lesson I've learned is that a boy can look like anything. Yes, you really don't know, because there are definitely there's the you know, the way it's packaged by popular culture, which is wearing joggers, they have a big watch, they vape, they d m you, they have red receipts on whatever. But there's like, you know, I went home with a four year old woman in the cubby hole, and you know, she was a fun boy. And the lesson there was if they're wearing a fedora, doesn't matter if they're male
or female. You've got to just stay away. So that's one thing. Uh, And then I think what I've learned from talking to them and having very deep conversations is that everyone is um damaged in their own way, and it's it's just who how you choose to like take it out on other people. I would say, is like, you know a lot of these guys they want to
find love and they want to be happy. But I think so Another way I've been thinking about it is like dating is a two party system, and much like our other two party system, it's broken, and no one on either side of the aisle is having fun, and we really need to like bridge the gap because it's not like the funk boys aren't having fun and the people who are getting hurt by them are not having fun, and dating should be fun. Don't remember when having a
crush on someone was fun? Like I the the amount of stress and tension I feel in my bones. I did a show a couple of weeks ago and I had planned with a guy after and I was intense that he was going to cancel. I forgot my my I forgot the second joke. After my opener, I was like so in my head about it, and it was just like, why is it shouldn't be this way? It should not be this way, and it's upsetting to me,
And I did. I sent out this survey um to you know, I put on Instagram and Twitter and a bunch of people took it and it was like, you know, I forget if it was like pent of people do not think that the current climate is conducive to finding a good partner in the next one to three years. But fifty three percent of people are optimistic that they will meet the right person in the next one or three years. So the optimism is there, but it's like, if you keep just beating people down, it's it's we're
gonna lose that, and that makes me sad. So I think, you know, funk boy culture, it's very amorphous. It's not it's not one thing. And I think, you know, I'm just curious to see. I think things will get worse before they get better, but I want to help things get better. You put out the server yourself. Yeah, that is a genius like way of like just splitting that that that circumstance explain the premise of Dragons as to everyone who might not not sure. So Dragons as it's
called Dragons as a fun boy treatment program. And I started the show because I was like really sick of my dating habits, hooking up with funk boys, getting ghosted, getting strewed over. So I started keeping track of the number of days I've been funck boy free on like a whiteboard board in my apartment. I would posted on
social media, everyone's like, you know, very encouraging, supportive. So I decided to do a show where I invite other comedians to come on and talk about their um experiences with funk Boys, and I talked about my six step treatment program as a fun Boy addict um and relapse the step number three because it's going to happen. Wow.
I built that in. So after the first show was really fun at Union Hall, I moved to Chelsea Music Hall and I did the first fun Boy Redemption with Karl Radkey of Summer House and I basically it's like I met with him before. We did like a pre interview, and then I structured like uh an interview with a live interview where we talked about his wrongdoings, why he is that way, and then kind of have him pledged to be better, to take the path of righteousness or whatever.
We have Benito Skinner come out dresses Jesus to baptize him with girls tears. So I've been doing that now at every show as the last segment. It's been a lot of fun, but it's also been very eye opening to hear men who are truly self aware and they understand what they're doing is wrong. But like I did this guy. I did a redemption with this guy, and he was just a normy he like works in marketing
or something. But he told me that he isn't he is in love with someone, but when he became anogamous with her, he his identity is so rooted and having sex with people and pursuing women, he lost his sense of self and had an existential crisis. Oh my god.
And it's like for him to even be able to have the awareness like verbalize that to me and then know that he can't overcome that was like I mean, it was just like heartbreaking, but also like it gave me hope in some ways that at least he But the thing that scares me is these guys who have now been doing this for a decade in their mid thirties. Where do you go from here? It's it's really, are you too far deep into that? I don't know? I mean.
He actually messaged me a couple of months later and said, I just wanted you to know I ended things with two women before sleeping with them because I knew there was no future, which like that to me, If I can help two women with my show, I feel my job is done here. Uh, and it's it's really interesting to watch the audience of the show changed from like women to like women and gay men and then now they're straight guys kind of feeling like they have a
point of entry, which is good. And a lot of straight guys I think, are very scared about the idea of it. Like my roommate's friend invited his other straight friends and the text responses were like, I don't want to go, Like, I'm sure there's a lot of bad dudes, but I don't want to be lumped in just because I'm a straight white guy. And another guy was like, I don't want to get me too, Like they just some people are not ready to face it yet. But the ones that are, we invite you in, and I
think we'll all be better as results. That is kind of my whole thing, all of us, honestly. And so the women also have a space they're like to like, do they is there a confrontation? So the one redemption I well, so it's it's a lineup of other comedians that kind of like go off about either one boy or they do stand up about fun boys or whatever it is. This show was nice because in the survey, I asked for a wild dating story, so I was able to review some of those which were blue again bluem.
I keep saying it blew my mind. My mind gets blown on a daily basis since I started doing comedy truly, and it was so I think it's very healing just to know that other people like go through this. And I will say, at the last show, this guy who ghosted me, his girlfriend was in the front row, which I don't even know if she knows that that happened, but it was very like she's been They've come to the exhibition a few times because he knows Michael Caine
or whatever. I'm saying too much. I hope. I hope she does listen, but I also hope she she doesn't hear this, but I don't want her to know that, you know, he goes to me, whatever, But it was just kind of crazy to see that, like full circle, this guy who goes to me two years ago after we had sex, and now his girlfriends in the front row at my show, Like that's what I want to happen. But it's just kind of crazy to see. It's crazy when you um date someone and have certain experiences with them,
and then you see them with someone else. It's like, of course, of course that thing is that thing inside you, of like I'm a little salty towards that person for
really no reason when you examine it. But also it's like, I wonder if they're dealing with the same stuff, if I just wasn't it, or if I just wasn't it, or if they're just better at dealing with certain things that I am, or maybe they're just it's just it's very weird to see someone that you had sex with or um dated or we're serious with or not very just deal or really make it work with someone else. That's fact. And that is the premise of the song
cool by Gwin. Stay I'm not a classic speaking of female icons, And now, how do we feel before we go into I don't think so, honey, How do we feel about Gwen right now? I think she's in like a weird I think she's in developmental hell, she's in development hell. Right now, they're figuring it out, they're trying to get the reboot done. They're trying to get it and you know the thing is, they do have the money.
The money is not the issue, but but they're creatively trying to figure out when's the Fannie fifty years old looking amazing, But what's she doing? I don't know, we don't know. It's not for me to say, you know who just turned fifty two? Who look Jayla believable, Jennifer Lopez. I mean no, no, Julia Roberts, Julia Roberts. It's like for me, like one of the speaking of one of the all time grades that mouth that width on that mounth And I just want to say publicly on the record,
I support Gwyneth Paltrow. Just want to say that I think she's amazing. I think that you what you can never forget about Gwyneth Paltrow is that she's incredibly talented and you'll you'll see that in The Politician too as well. She can turn some scenes in that um and she works with the wigs that she has given and she does the best that she can. Absolutely, and that's what's in her head and in her eyes as well matters. And also tb H. That is an oscar that is
well deserved. And a lot of people say a lot of people say that Cape Lynch one for playing Queen Elizabeth, but she's got to at the time. I'm sorry, but Gwyneth was Gwyneth and that last scene where they say good bye to each other is truly romance movie cannon. So thank you, Harvey Weinstein. Oh that's really the thesis of this. Yeah, Jesus, okay, and we've never more actually
moved into I don't think so get out of here. Um. So, basically, if you don't know anything about this show, lost Culturalists or it's segment, I don't think so Honey. I don't think so Honey is a segment. We take one minute to absolutely go off on something in culture that is plugging us, bothering us, biting our asses, nipping us in the heels, and we don't like it, and we need to be dressed down publicly. Um. I do have something great, I do have something Okay, UM, this is Matt Rodgers.
I don't think so honey. As time starts now, I don't think so honey. The Scooby Doo movie that they're making. Um, and as Gina Rodriguez as Velma, which I do not stand. I can't find my glasses. Oh my god, I don't I do think so honey. What you just said. I don't think so honey, Scooby Do the movie and has Zac Efron animated as the hot One, which like very first thought, y'all, Um, I don't think we necessarily need
Scooby Doo the movie. I feel like, let's get I Love Lucy back on screen before we have Scooby Doo the movie. Also, they did a Scooby Doo reboot with Sarah Michelle Geller and Freddie Prince Jr. Which is can't be erased. We have to see them is the iconic velment of our time. If it's not going to be an animated element, it should be like, I don't think so honey otherwise. Also, I never forget Alicia suffer son in a small role. Also I don't think so honey.
Um Scooby Doo. Will Forty is playing Shaggy, which I kind of like. Um, I like Scooby Doo as a cartoon. I don't think so honey, this new movie and that's one minute, Thank you so much. That's absolutely crap. I just don't think Sony who's playing Um who's playing Daphne again? Um, Daphne is God but truly Sara Miche SMG And Freddy Prince. I went finding out what are the hottest couples for
all time? And yeah, I mean they were they they nailed it the first My god, I I just googled Scooby Doo moving and it said Scooby Doo in film. Um wait, let me. I wanted to is the movie called Scoob or something called Scoob, which I wrote like where did they focus group that? Okay? So also I know I know that Daphne was announced. She was Yeah, now this movie is like wait, why am I blinking on who Daphnie is? We have to get to the bottom of this. But also while you're searching for this,
I was just I was bring us up earlier. They should do some luceal Ball biopic. Did they do that or no? And you know, should play her? I know who should now I forget who it is. But I've always had a right who should play her. I don't remember now who I've always been thinking you should play her. But I feel like they announced one and then it never happened, maybe like Cate Blanchett was supposed to play who.
I think that was a dream I had. I don't actually know, but oh my god, Sophie Turner, Sophie Turner as Lucille Ball in Lucille. The thing is, I don't mean to laugh because I do like and the thing is she is kind of funny. I do think she's sometimes in interviews I'm kind of down for her, and she who and I went to go see Dark Fetings for like this is gonna suck, and she kind of sold it and made it work. I mean, I was
in a great movie. We were entertained. I watched someone watch it on a plane and I was like, this movie looks I've gotten that. I did that with the Shirlease Sarren Seth broken movie. I watch someone watch it. Oh, so I actually like the movie and I liked it a lot and turned to my left and everyone I was with fucking hated it because does come on his own face. You see that in the film that he comes on his own face, which is like but but like,
I think it's a plot device. It's a plot. It's it's a pregnant he like he is recorded like like he like he like records himself jerking off and then like that's black. That becomes like a big point of black on the Secretary of State and she's running for president and um so. So they start dating and everyone's like, she's dating this like kind of gross guy. No, no, no, they don't know that, though they do find that out.
And then he's like a gawker like journalist. Yeah, and so like he gets the video of him coming on his own face, like is going to get released in the like fine, release it whatever, and then she bravely is like, I'm dating him anyway. And then she becomes president and he becomes the first gentleman and despite coming on his face publicly. And I liked the movie. I thought it was very broad and she was great and he was. I love Charlie's. We love Charlie's. Um okay,
here we go. This is your I don't think so, honey. And let me tell you something about his time it starts now. I don't think so, honey. Places it should sell stew. It should be more places that sell beef stew because it's my favorite food in the world, especially especially I want stew every day. I want chuck roast stew down, nice velvety texture. I want carrots, peas, salary potatoes, bitch, leave the skin on, skin off. I don't. I want a soup with a tomato and red wine basse. And
you can't tell me nothing. You gotta sell at the only place I know that sells Stu beast to in New York City year round is the essen On Barrick And I want to say spring yes, thank you, Marybath. We worked around around that area absolutely, Um and bitch, if you are not brave enough to sell stew at a restaurant, then you have five seconds. You are cowards, and I will call Michelin myself and have them take
away your damn star. And that's one minute that was iconically view because you there's no one who will ship out. That's too faster more and it was more of a liquid consistency. Hal you're willing to die on more stew. We might be running out of things to say because I don't think so, honey, people should sell more stew? Is that on this day? Honey. That's culture. That's cactially culture. It's filed under culture. It's a culture. We got a little bit of a we got a little bit of
a preview of Mary Betts. I don't think so, honey, And I think this is going to be a iconic, b controversial. I just want to say, um, that Syria just picked up me saying, because you there's no one who is shipped out, that's the war and it was more of a liquid consistency. And Syria has responded. I don't know how to respond to that. Stupid and foolish A right, Okay, um, this is gonna be this is gonna be controversial, controversial. We have a little bit of
a controversial I don't think so honey happening. But I think we are all gonna be on board by the end. I really, this isn't Mary Beth Browns. I don't think so honey. Our time starts now. I don't think so honey. RuPaul's Drag Race, I beloved franchise, a cinematic universe for the ages. Take a break, honey, the oddly as America's next Jack superstar. I don't think so honey. To winners for RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars, I don't think so honey. This is not t ball, this is not Little League. Okay,
we don't get participation trophies. You're having these girls on these Instagram drag queens who've never performed a day in their lives, never read a day in their lives. I come for the reading challenge. Okay, is open? I want t I'm not getting it. I'm not getting it from these girls. You want to go to the UK and start the show there. How about we fix what's wrong at home before we date other countries? What are we
the US government? Honey? Come about we get a few good seasons in before you hand things over to Toddrick Hall. I think so, honey, I'm really intovoking right now. I love When did that couplam earlier? I don't think so many. Let's let's find the plot. I think we've lost the plot five seconds. I don't think so, honey, rupaulse jag Race. I love you so much. You're an icon. We stand forever, but you need to get it together. That's one minute true.
I think we can work. Going to have a lot of really good queens on season twelve, and if the rumors are true about All Stars five, that will be outstanding as well, because there's some really good queens that will be returning your kidding, Oh my god, where's that Juju be? And that will be the children I'm forgotten? Then we'll be taught moment because Juju is one of the one of the time, made the reading challenge good
first reading challenge, and she was. She was the best one in the reason why it's it's a mainstad best damn reader, best damn lip sinker always looks fish, always looks fish, and then her her and Raymond Lip thinking dancing on my own iconic and tears holding each other. Never forget black velvet, black velvet, velvet, if you please, if you please. It's approximately the thousandth rule number fourteen of culture. Um. Yeah, but I heard Jujuby, I heard um say these are rumors. I heard. I heard ms
Cracker and I am ms Crack for miss Cracker. Look out from miss Cracker when she's not like up in her head, you know what I mean? Like because that that was like a disappointing narrative of that season was miss Crackers in her head, Miss Crackers in her head. And I think what happens when you say to someone who might be a little in their head, you're in your head. That is a recipe for disaster in her saboteur. I talked about this with straight people all the time.
Straight guy, they don't know about it, and it's so important. No, the in you have to be so thankful to Route to for giving these things a name. You know what I mean, the inter saboteur um, if you can't love yourself. Also behind the curtain, you're born naked and the rest of change my change, my comedy. Yes, yes, yes, changed my life behind the curtain. Never forgot it. Yeah. The Wizard of Oz being what it is applicable to anything. No, I mean, I think you know what happened is um.
I think a lot of people are critical of Rue now and for valid reasons. If if you're critical of Rue, this is not a read on you. I'm just saying you also have to understand and respect this is the most important people in the culture who has seen it all, has seen everything. Yeah, and anything you say about him, like you know he's not thought of before? You know what he hasn't thought of before? Like it's it's like that thing of like when people come for celebrities like
they're stupid. It's like, these people aren't stupid. RuPaul is actually a genius and an innovator and truly a pioneer of television. And there's so many things that we have now are are do and indebted to Rue saying true and also think about just think about the fact that he thought of lip sync for your Life. I mean for a final challenge in a drag queen competition. Lip
Sync for your Life is fucking genius and dispense. Also, the writing on that show when they're doing the runway is some of the funniest writing on TV because you don't really have laugh out loud writing on TV. I'll just on any show, you know what I mean that the quips that they come out with, and I don't care if they tape it after do pick up My God is some of the funniest ship you'll hear on TV. And you watch a bar God, bless you, your earbeds
are going to fucking row. There's nothing like it. There's nothing. And I would say for everyone out there, that's that's everyone. Um try to avoid the spoilers because the spoilers are so rampant on YouTube, been on Reddit obviously. Just avoid the spoilers because we just spoiled All Stars five. Well, no, we're not spoiling. And I said rumors several times, so
people want to come from you substantiated unsubstantiated rumors. But I would say try to avoid um the elimination, spoilers like all that stuff, like because I mean, the moment of watching Sasha Va Lord do that wait when Bendela Creme sent herself home, that that I think about daily every I'm going home every day. I think about it every day. That's like I mean, And here's the thing, Benda la Creme. When when when you heard that she was going to be on All Stars, I was kind
of like, yeah, that that makes sense. And then when she came back and was so you know what I thought about Bendela Creme. I thought, well, Benda la Creme was already polished and amazing. That wasn't ever a problem. So how will it elevate? Elevate? And it was elevated, elevated and it's smart. She was the best, Like her stats are the strongest, stronger than lask Its stronger than any other queen on that show. And then for her
to say I'm taking myself out. What she did in that moment was she did win the show because she made herself iconic. She was just ONREW, she was just on Hay Queen and she talks with with Johnny and she she talks about that moment. Truly, she's like she's so articulate and like and thoughtful about like the process of coming to that decision. And I think I believe at this point that it was not produced, that she really did. I absolutely do not think it, and I
choose to believe that. And I think it's okay to choose to believe thinks like that. Sometimes it's okay. That's my choice is to believe that. I do not believe that it was produced. I think I think she she did that on her own, because you can kind of see in the reactions of everyone, like you can kind of tell when when the judges are actually caught off
guard by something. And I really do believe that ruin that moment was kind of processing how to produce herself, you know what I mean, Like, and that's why she didn't give a strong reaction in that moment, because she was like, I don't know how to take this, and I love it, and that's good TV. It's and it's the most one of the most drag things that has happened on the show for her to say, this is the expectation. I'm going to subvert the expectation completely. Queer drag.
We love and we stand Ben took Crome. We stand Ben to look Arome, We stand Mary Beth Barron. Yes, oh my god, what a good episode. Is an incredible episode, I'd have to Emma h Yes, confirmed, Thank god you have to come back. This has been one of the highlights of my life. My career is I'm not kidding you. Sitting between you two and just get gabbin funny. I can do it. We love it. If you ever get the opportunity the privilege of being on this show, congratulations
to you. This has just been nuts start to finish a joy. We had so much fun. And you gotta go see drag his ass And what are you going to come out and do it in l A probably in January, hopefully a dynasty again and we'll make We'll get it popping, great, amazing. I I'm there. And also, um, Houston, Houston Comedy Hub four. You gotta go uh and we we give blow kisses to everyone in Houston that came to that. I don't think so, honey, with Bowen and Katherine.
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