"The Cows Came Home To Roost" (w/ Jay Jurden)

has for us. You know what's giving me a smile what my sister Matt Rodgers is having a side like a side swept bang. I'm sort of giving you Aaron Samuel's from Mean Girls Are and I, um, I would say it's more. I would say, it's like, would you girl say like petulant, petulant child at Christmas? Petulant child

at Christmas. I love that. This is what happens when I used shampoo and conditioner in my hair, My very pin straight hair in fact, just sort of blaze right on flat and then it goes on and parts to the side and look like a little cherub. It's it's a fun, youthful look. I like a lead up boy boy, I love to say little like Lida, And that's actually

something that the readers don't know about me. Lida boy, what what do you what do you think that is just replacing these e er sounds, these l e sounds with the letter A with an A. Well, I think it's exactly what you just described. I think it's just me sort of like foregoing consonants for vowel sounds for a really comedic effect, very very funny, very funny, very funny. You know what else might be fun if me and you do a versus like Miss Patty and Miss Gladys

and night. I was I only caught stippets of a bit. Gladys sounds incredible. Oh my god, Gladys Night, she sounds better than she's ever sounded. And I will say this Midnight Train to Georgia is a very amazing song and it will stand the test of time. It has our already stood the test of time. You talk about it as if it came out yesterday, This new hit Midnight Trains Georgia. It's a rule of culture number twenty six.

Midnight will stand some time time. And in fact of time, I was going to bring up something to you, but I forgot what I guess, I'll I guess, I'll guess, I'll think maybe we'll find it later. But I mean, I'm actually I'm sad that you didn't get to watch the verses because this was a moment. And also you forget about Patti's big hits. You forget about New Attitude. New Attitude was a career revival. She jumped her the car, She jumped to the cables. She knows she took the

cables and jumped her career. The nine lives of it all, the nine lives of it all very much like um, I don't know who else, like a Tina, like a fun like like a fun like quick clicking jolt in the eighties of like wow, okay, she's back, new life and new haircut and that'll do it, and that'll do it. Um. Did you see Dion Warwick appeared with the two of them. It became a whole trio trio. Um. But it wasn't like fully like contemptuous, was it? I mean? I heard

yet Oprah on the comments. Oprah was in the comments, Mariah was in the comments. Bob the Dragons in the comments, The New Legends ball and you know that people were in the comments like we need a new Legends ball, oprah, oprah, do another Legends ball? Like that wasn't a pain in the asked to a schedule, But wasn't it so good for the for the world and the culture to have the Legends ball. We need to have it again. It was excellent for the world. It was excellent for the world.

We haven't talked about and I was laughing about this the other day our new favorite show, Dear, But I was laughing. We loved the here wed TV. Plus it's called Deer Calm Deer No dear dot dot dot or it's dear comment but see it's confusing. What is it explains the readers what is dear? So dear? And so matt Man I kept like just doing a bit where we were saying each other, you have to watch the wa have you have you seen Dear? Did you see Dear? Did you see the fourth episode of Deer? I love

the fourth episode of Dear. That was Big Bird. Favorite episode of Deer. That was Big Birds Deer. That was Big Birds Deer. Um they so big Bird is literally on Deer. So every episode they focused on like a hero, celebrity, UM. And then the entire episode is that person reading letters that people have written to them, UM, just very heartfelt letters about how this person affected their lives. UM. And Oprah,

I think EPs the show. I don't know what she has to do with the show, but she has an episode that is centric to her, which made Bowen Yang and I shed tears so beautiful. She has a power, she has a power. I'm not seeing enough Oprah in the world. I'm not seeing enough Oprah. That's probably really what Ellen Pompeo was saying at home. I'm not seeing she can't figure out her remote. I can't really. I will say Versus is not super accessible, like I can't find it on Apple Music, and I guess you need

to go to the Instagram. Is that I watched on Instagram and it was lovely and there were six hundred thousand people watching, which is the highest attended Instagram live I've ever seen. Deer is wonderful. I mean, it was just a truly well well executed UM premise. And you'll cry television. You'll cry when you watch Dear Girl if you if you love Disney fairy tale weddings, you'll love

Dear Dear Yeah. You're going to love. Dear, dear, let's talk about this, this young young young person that hasn who's um let's just say uh sort of storming not only comedy scene but also Twitter dot com and the podcast space and the podcast space. Not for nothing, but this person is becoming one of my favorite listens week to week because they're one of the co hosts of The rear View, which is Grinder's podcast with Forever Dog, and I have to tell you it feels like a

kindred spirit podcast to us. And I want to encourage all readers when Thursday rolls around, because you know you love last Coach on Wednesday, and when Thursday rolls around, I want you to sort of glance in your rear View. Oh my god, put the mirror up to the crack. Put the mirror up to the craft. I am listening to that. Get the fagon off the TV. I'm not get the fag off the TV. I'm not watching watching that. And that, of course, we attribute to Tyra Banks and

we wish her luck this week. It's the first week of Dancing with the Stars. I can't wait to watch your host this damn show. Can't wait to watch her hearn to Carola bas going to be like that was an amazing fox straw. Did you kill your husband? And only Tyra is crazy enough to do that? And that's why it's good to get Tyra crazy. She will ask the question. I fully watched the entire Naomi Um Naomi Campel interview. I do that like once every year or two,

and it's it's so funny. Just just tired of being like I wanted to tell you that you hurt me irrevocably and what you did to me in my formative years as not only a model but a woman will hunt me for the rest of my life. And this is Naomi Campel's guys. You guys, I don't remember that. I'm so sorry. I don't really know what that what the thing is to me, with what I've been through in my life, I think that what you're saying is

not that deep. Amazing, it's not that deep, she said, it's not that deep deep who said for years I proverbally was on the edge of the cliff because you pushed me there when you did that, Naomi, Naomi, do you remember, Naomi, do you remember the way that you treated me? Do you remember the cruelty, the really good Tira Naomi, I don't, I don't remember. I don't I don't remember. Um he is, okay, this is all to

say The rear View is an incredible new podcast. I also the way the way that you um something that stayed with me if you go back and listen to our last episode. Um Matt was talking about Mulan, but he basically summed up in one word where he said, the way they said cut the songs at the way they said cut the songs out of the sand. Well, not for nothing. But I'm just I'm just praising. I'm just gassing at my thank you. Now. I don't even now, I don't even want to go against you. I want

us to join hands. And speaking of joining hands, it's time for us to join hands with our guest. Who should and I have a question for you. Should comedians be as hot as him? Should comedians also be bisexual icons as he is? He's going to be mad about Andrew Gillham. Girl, we might have we got to talk about this. Our guest is beaming what beaming bright? He wants to talk about Andrew Gillham. And here's the thing.

This guest is one of our faves we've seen We've seen him on stage, you've seen him online, you're listening to him on the pod the Rearview. Everyone, please welcome into your goddamn ears. J thank I'm very happy to be here. A new orifice, so a new orifice for you to really do anything you want to anything. You know what I'm not gonna do, do meth in the hotel room, pass out in my own vomit, and then play it off like it did happen. I'm not, You're grown,

So let's let's fill me in because I don't. I haven't been following the Andrew Gilliam stuff passed to like I mean, I obviously was was with it when he woke up in the hotel room. He came out today as bisexual? Is that what he did to Tamarin Hall?

And I appreciate the effort for him to say the words bisexual and for him to articulate um something that is very important, especially for people who don't necessarily have a representative for male bisexuality, or even more importantly, like people love color, coating the stigma about bisexuality, specifically sister gender men who have the whole rumor about the d L. I'm so happy for that aspect of this. Yeah, it's it is a dark, dark alley. But what a way

to do what the way to do it? Some people come out come out sort of gingerly in high school. Other people run for governor and are covered in vomited math. Yeah, a Ronda Santis is a terrible person and should not be governor of Florida and has directly led to the deaths of a lot of people. But uh, andrew this. This also is kind of bad in spin it's not as bad. I'm gonna let you know it's not as bad.

I'm happy for you. But we're number one. The queer community is allowed to make jokes for a few days. That first thing I'm gonna say, we're gonna get jokes off for a few days. And if you get and if you get mad, maybe you ain't. Maybe you ain't got what it takes me. Bisexual number two, number two. There's an element of infidelity here that we're not addressing. There's also an element of like, uh, sex work is valid, and drug addiction and drug use is also valid, but

deception isn't. Was he married? Yeah it is, he's married, and was called. Uh he said, this is what he told the police. He was helping someone in the hotel room. He helped someone. So you know, overall, I'm gonna say, we come out, but it's like a forty nine split, like it's good, but it's just like it just aked. Sure, it just ached. That's good. That's a great way of putting.

You get some representation out of it, for sure. But and then this is why I think it's like really important for everyone to vote, because had you voted for Andrew Gillham, you wouldn't have been out on a mes vender. Um, we don't know that. We don't know that. Well, honestly, he probably would have been a little bit busier. But

this we did this. Florida voters did this, okay, And I am gonna play Florida voters and I'm gonna say, please vote for Joe Biden so we don't have to hear about what happens to him three months four months later because he might not have the wherewithal to just go take a nice walk in the woods. You don't know, it could be Andrew Gillham situation. It could be as he if he could be speedballing and just waking up. I also think that, like the Andrew Gillim thing as

like a bisexual person from the South. I was like it. I was like, there's always like a monkey's paw of a gift. We never get it. It's never just like doing well, oh by the way, yeah got good girls and not buying your people. Yeah, it's always like it's always a monkey's paw. Well, okay, talk about this, j um are we we we? I feel like you're checking so many boxes. I mean you you, you are bringing forward a new model of let's just say, um, what a comedian can look like, what a bisexual person can

be doing. Um, there's no respectability in terms of the thirst traps that go online. I mean I I I'm kind of really excited at this sort of anarchistic rewriting of the rules and so and so. How do you feel about your role in this. I'm happy to be a torch bearer, but there are so many people that kept the flame lit before me. We're talking about people like Joe Kim Booster was getting naked before I got naked.

Tail Lane was getting naked before I got naked. Solomon was being sexy, Solomon was being sexy clothes on on TV. Before I got the opportunity to booky Proof you can be brown and qute, Wanda Side said, you can be queer.

I'm gonna be me. I would show that to students during a stand up section when I was a teacher, and I'd be like, well, y'all just have to watch this if y'all want to see a good comedy looks like So, there are so many people that have helped me feel comfortable enough to be my true authentic self on stage. Also, when you lie as a comedian kind of like poker, the audience has tiny tells just physically where they're like, you aren't comfortable about that subject, so

you're either overcorrecting or skirting past it. So if I didn't talk about being queer, it's I think it's like tantamount to me not talking about from me being from Mississippi or me not having a dog, like these are elements that brought me up and that helped s eetch me out a bit more. So I love it. So, Okay, so you're Mississippian first, then your dog owner second, and black first. Well I'm just quoting you. You put Okay, Well,

I'm black first, I'm black. I'd say I'm black first, and then I want to be queer right after black, and then I want to be very funny and everything else. Can that kind of be lateral, like the same sort of like on the same plane, perfect, Matt, what about what about you? I would say that for me, I am one of my first. I think honestly, I think that I really can say I am gay first. Okay,

I really am gay first. Like some I was thinking to myself, like, wow, pretty much everything I've ever done, besides Hot Dog, which is coming out soon, I've had to be gay to do, like, had to be queer to host game show, pretty much all the sketch comedy I ever did in my life. I was like doing, gay characters are queer characters, etcetera. So I guess I am gay first. And of course what they call a gold star gay never even been in the same room as a naked vagina, never even been in the same room.

It's not that it's not that I wouldn't welcome the opportunity. I just would feel bad for the woman having that opportunity and sharing that opportunity with me, you know what I mean? Yeah, none of us are platinum stars? Are we No? No, no, Jay, I'm imagining that Jay has Yeah, I went through the regular way. I didn't have MP entrance or exit. I guess v I p entrance to the world, to the world you're Drake at the clip and not come through the back. But when how do

you identify first and foremost? I identify as um as as as a that's gay first. Probably you think gay first, Well no, actually no, because the first thing people see is as It's about how you identify, don't give them that. I have had to, like in terms of like stocking, like the lenses that things refract through, Like it's Asian first and then it's gay, And I've had to like get comfortable with the Asian part before I get comfortable with the gay part. I think it's it's switched orders,

like it switches orders all the time. But I think now it's sort of the layers are sort of sedimenting in the right way, and so it's it's it's Asian one. I think that, Like the reason I say black first also is because my blackness informs my queerness more than my queerness informs my blackness. So when you guys were talking about Versus. I watched Versus as like a black person with like two great aunties just like that, or like like my mom is the Patty of all her friendships.

She had the block big right now, and so like I see that and I'm like, oh, that's like my mom my mom. It's not like, oh that's like a DVA then there diva to me, But it was. I mean that kind of was like just a masterclass black queerness watching that last night. So you were watching, Oh, I was Garrison the Boy Frank can tell you. I was like, I gotta get home. I did two shows and then I wrote my Bike Home and Patty and Gladys would be very disappointed because I got Popeyes instead

of actually cooking something for it. And I watched it with pop Eyes and I was I was just so happy away I came in. I was like Patty heavy favorite, but but she still won because they weren't playing Gladys night His back to back like Patty had. There were two times Patty Patty Patty like played hits back to back, and the Glass had to play Midnight Train Georgia twice to make it a closet, and on and on license

to Kill was very good. Neither one of us was amazing, but neither one of us is one of my favorites. Neither one of us is amazing. But then if you do that same exercise with Patty's hits, Patty played the A B C's because she knew that people on versus would want to see to hear that there was a Patty mix with the A B C's in it. So, I mean she she understood the sliver of her audience. I was watching. It was like Internet like consumers. Yeah, you people said thank you gave people, Um, did you

did you see the part? Obviously you did, but bow and there was this part I'm wondering if you were tuning in where um it was right after they finished the song and they were talking and they're exchanges in between the songs. One of my favorite part and what you're saying something. But it was just stuff like and you know, and then I was like, well, you know, Matt had a baby, and then Matt would say, you know,

Jay had a baby. It was so so good and so lived in and like it felt like it felt like voyeuristic because there's obviously close friends with tons of history years and years of like something no one else could replicate, which is there shared and lived experience. But my favorite part was when right after Patty ended up like slaying a number, she turns to Gladys and she's like, you know, sometimes I just I sing so high and

so much. I wonder if it's too much. But the fact of the matter is like God gave me all of this, and I'm gonna do all of this because I'm not gonna not be me. And there is a pause and Gladys just goes, it's power, and Patty was like, it is, it's power, and then they just moved on. But it's like them talking about how they're the best singers in the world and just like they get it and it's there's not an ounce of ego, it's just

the truth. Yeah, But isn't it so fun? How like even after all these years, like it's still kind of this novelty to her, even like to herself, she's like, it's Patty label being like, well, I can't believe I'm the talented even like in like into like the fifth decade of my work or whatever the hell, you know, it's a seventies seven year old in a seventies six year old being like I sang this, Oh I did this. I used to do this for I still do this

for a living. They were marveling at themselves, which was so cool, and it was like a full on, like matriarchal vibe that you're getting a lot of like black churches, where it was just I mean, I tweeted and joked about how like that versus. After that versus, I went home with an entire pound cake when I only wanted

to slice, because that's what happens. That happened to me last Christmas and my big Mama's I went to see her with my sister and she was like, oh, you want some poal cake, and she did the cartoon Tom and Jerry slice where she cut like two little slices and then gave us the rest of the cake. Give me that fat slice. I just want the skinny slice. But I just that was my first versus versus that I had watched. I unfortunately missed the Brandy Monica one.

You picked a good one, though, you picked a very good one because they did a hybrid where they were like, I'll sing live Monica didn't want to do live vocals. BRANDI sang a little her stuff live Monica gave up on some stuff. But also Brandie versus Monica, that was

like a fun one because there was tension. Really, yeah, there was a little bit of tension because there's that whole backstory about the MTV Movie Awards with the punch and or slap that occurred between them and who was that doing that to whom allegedly this is allegedly is from Dallas a k. I think uh Chili's egg husband the producer. So yeah, so he said Monica popped Brandy

in the mouth. That makes sense because everyone like the like black Twitter's second reading of Monica, besides being like an RB diva who deserves her flowers while she can still smell them, is that chilla hood? Chilla hood? Is anything wrong with that? Monica is? Monica is ghetto. But at the end it's spelled t e a. You like just a little bit, just a little yeah. I always like, do you ever listen back to that song and think

who did win this? And do you have her mccai fi for that's the one that's oh yes, the other one. But then there would be no reason for the song to exist. I think Monica made the growing up, it was the sentiment was always a Monica one. See that's so interesting because for me growing up, the sentiment was Brandy one, and I think had the better career. She had the better career, and I was like, mainstream career. Yes,

that's very career. Yes, and thank you for for for checking me on that, because better does not mean mainstream, does not mean better. Yeah, come on, I'm on the house of Niche right now. To me, like a white teen on Long Island. I knew who Brandy was because I did watch Moesia every now and then, and I also was aware of her from like, you know, doing Cinderella and all these things. But I remember when I hear that, I see Matt with Moesia braids in my head,

how does it look the way? He wouldn't do it? The way he would never know? That don't come from me, z way um. But wait um. I do want to say though, as an adult listening to the song, I think Monica walks her like a dog. That's the grown woman who's in the right. But what's unfair? But what kind of sets up that dynamic and sets it up for the rest of the song, for the entire song is the fact that Brandy is the one who approaches Monica.

Monica is just minding her own business a minute, Sure, you know you look kind of it's like Monica is just like, yeah, I think I know you. She's like, I might remember who you are, exactly who that is. That's the other woman. That's what heteronormative activities due to y'all when y'all out here claiming folks, wow, uh because gate because it doesn't even really happen to gay me and I feel like gay men don't really claim each other.

And in the way that these these straight women do have opinions about when people go, oh, this man who has not committed to me is mine because you're the one looking like boo boo the fool because you are acting up now man hasn't done anything. If he's like the prize to be like coveted, and then it's it's like bordering on like a weird scope of philic passion

to see women fight over you. If you're a was like, wow, y'all handle what you don't do that that's kind of not really I don't know, maybe maybe I'm eracing a lot of um stuff, but I feel like that's not really the dynamic that I've noticed amongst men are age game at our age were like I don't know, we give up, we go have well, because if you if you were to act crazy about like someone that you know or someone else hooking up with someone that you hooked up with or hooking up with, I feel like

in the modern like gay queer community, you you look insane and very bothered because I feel like, you know, and the world is so small like this, the circles are so small and literally all like run into a guy who's like like like I'll run into a weener cousin um like like a guy like like a a sister, and I'll just be like, oh cool, like that's that's fine, that's fine, okay, great, and then like movie that's like there's no there's no sense of ownership the way that

these were like in a very kind of like yeah you don't you like you can talk about this if you want, uh, so well, because so some people go there, so here and there like this, but if you are basing your entire relationship on monogamy that was established during like the early modern period in Europe to make sure that the great chain of being was maintained so that like peasants stuck with peasants, and like a stable boy, wasn't having sex with the princess, because then the patard

would change. Because if your blood is different, if if the if the aristocracy is almost a different species, then they shouldn't be able to intermingle and more importantly, made and procreate with people on the lower pegs of that totem pole. So system, Yes, yeah, so you wanted to take ownership of a woman also because she was the only way for you to pass your property, not even pass past you like your lineage, you like you have to have the sun. So I have someone to give

my stuff too. And by the way, he better be mine or else I'm giving my stuff to somebody I don't know. Like it's just that I and I don't I reject this cast system. Yeah yeah, honey, honey, let me be a surf at the bottom. Unbothered Bowen didn't think I would know that surfs were at the bottom of the cast system. I know. His eyes lit up and he pointed like this, deep, deep, deep, because he saw what I've been. I've been deep, deep, deeping all night. I think he was happy for you, and really I

was agreeing. I I was, I was kind of I was, I was kind of joining in on this collectivizing notion of the surfs that are at the bottom when we're together. Oh yeah, I mean I'm not that way. I would love to be a courtier or a baron or a duke or a marquis. But you carry that you carry you have a very energy. Yeah down there, ya has a have I know, I do think you would look very very hot and like that's sort of like prince like regalia. Like I think you would make a very

handsome print, is what I'm saying to you. Thank you. So that's what you've been doing. You've been going out to the park to do you. I'm like, okay, So I always say meet people where they are comfortable during this, and I'm comfortable enough to do. It's not your show with a with a mask. Take it off, do my set put the mask back on. People are distant. Do

you disinfect the mic afterwards? Disinfect the mic? There? Mike condoms now might cover the condoms, the little mike condoms, and so yes, for all gay men, condoms are something that you put around your penis so that you don't get an s t I I'm back on Prepa. I'm also on a rip, roaring on prep. I'm on my discobe, are you guys true? I'm my provider said, I was like, I'd love to try discobe. He said, no, no, no, you're you're sticking with prop. I forget why this stuff

is a smaller pill. I don't mind swallowing that big old blue thing, dick, and give me that taste, Jake Sully penis. Give me that long long don't give me that blue Doctor Manhattan, get Dr Manhattan, getting me. Bowen said his dick was blutiful. No, no, the big is that the biggest penis ever on TV? And Watchman, I'm mate, Watchman. I don't well, I don't. I think yeah, yeah, is an amazing actor. So to fetish as him just for that one scene of him, well, I'm not that's not

his penis. I don't think I think it is. He was too happy about it. Looked like that was his Really, Yeah, he's just walking around with that thing. It was. It was HBO dick. I was gonna do this is a little you guys will get all the inside information. I was I was I could have done HBO dick for my first sex scene, but I did not. But why did you say that I could have gave some dick? Team maybe don't do dick the first time? And that was that's fair, that's fair. I get it. I don't

agree with one. I feel like you should just anyone should just do whatever they want want. It's HBO. If you're if you if you're given the opportunity to show your your genitals, that's great. Um. I think the second time you should just break the seal. Yeah, did you have sex on high maintenance? There was the implication that there would be another time for something of that ILK, so I felt they like they complimented me. They're like, you know, it's gonna be plenty of chances for you

to show your team, your team, the team. Yeah, wow, this is gonna sound weird, but I can't wait for that. Um. And with that, we're gonna take a break and we'll ride back with Jay Jordan's and what are we back'll be back? We're back, Yeah, we're back. Okay. So at this point, Bowen, what do we do we? Um? Oh, yes, the question the question right, of course, the question being Jay What was the culture that made you say culture

was for you? Bowen explain, this is the m a formative culture for you growing up, um, something that really was the spark lighter um for the fuse, that was the rocket for culture to culture that you were headed ones. That makes sense, That makes total sense. I have two answers because I heard Bob the Drag Queen did that, and so my first answer is the Honey video Thank You so Much from the album Butterfly. I can sure when anyone talks about this, thank you so Much. One

of my first c d s was Butterfly. My first CDs, the first three CDs I ever had, were puffed out in the family no way out the explicit version because my mama didn't know my way and Mariah carry Butterfly. Butterfly. Now it's easy to say, oh wow, that's like a core distialization of like you as a bisexual a number of things. It was so formative for me because the album cover for Butterfly kind of speaks to the entire aesthetic of the Honey video from a tone standpoint, from

a coloring standpoint, from the hair stair. The hair was iconic at that moment. Sexiest Maria. You can imagine this is peace divorce, so this is after time. So she went. She was acting fully up. And you know many say that honey maybe about come, oh honey. I think it honey about come Matt. It is the best double entendre of a song ever. And I can't describe how good it feels inside. It's it's got to become just another

taste of your honey com anthem. So the video is like her as a secret agent and like agent m a couple of famous people. Eddie Griffin is in it. She is hand she's handcuffed behind a chair, and she also speaks to her Venezuelan roots. She speaks Spanish for like the first minute of the video. She's doing she's acting and she's acting. Mariah is a writer and a singer, a mother, but also an actress. And at this point, what is she? What is she? First, she's a blessing.

She's a blessing, a gift Patty. Patty and Mariah are like it's like a lineage between them. There's like a through line like they're sending you connecting them the same way they're sending you connecting. Patty and Jennifer Hudson, Like whenever Jennifer Hudson does a scoop into something very like, that's her doing a patty like it's so the reason I love Mariah in this video is because she's having fun, like she's stripping, she's swimming, she's dancing with the beach

at the very end. Because then you also think, oh, man, this hot to the beach and it's not connected, but you can pretend like it is. Then my all happens and it's a completely different tone, but it feels connected because she's on the beach with another hot man, just Mariah Carey the Honey video. I was like, whatever this is, I'm sexually attracted to it but also like it. But I also understand how other people can like this. I just want to celebrate this. And I didn't have a

chair in my room. I shared a room with my brother and my sister at this point before my sister got her own room. I had this like speaker boom box situation. I could put headphones in and I would have to like just put the CD in the top and like listen to it like on my headphones right next to like the speaker system in my room. Also,

Mora's like, just so walk into the sourus. I learned so many words from the words that are vocabulary, got the CD booklet with the lyrics booklet, and so then that's the first one and the second one is probably animated, uh series The X Men on Fox. So those two things changed everything for me. Like, this makes a lot of sense, And this is an amazing answer to the question because we get two ideas of you as a person, and it makes sense without even exploration. But explore we will.

Those are the two things that I love. Oh, let's start. Let's just because we've talked so it's bone. It isn't insane how much we've talked about Marie. There's a lot of and on everyone's mind right now. Yes, she is. I mean that New York Magazine piece was incredible. iRED of kind of going into the back cattleg Yesterday, Matt and I connected because we were both listening to Emancipation of Mimi at the same time. Talked about you guys, talked about jumper cables for a career. Hello you wish

He was like, want something? Yeah, I could. I could give you out some anthems if y'all want you wanted, you wanted the definition of contemporary R and B, and Jermain Dupre was like, we've been cooking up stuff for a while. Let's just let's drop it. The Neptunes Kanye that was that was a stacked album, like that was an incredible and also you know what song gets slept on from Emancipation just before before we returned to Butterfly say Something, which is something is Snoop dog on It.

Oh my god, the way that says he's gonna suck you in the bathroom in that song. And I'm never into Snoop, but I'm like, Okay, Snoop your girl and wish you knew your girl. You're a girl so good. But Jay, but is my culture? That made me say culture was from me? Okay? You want to know my Butterfly joint that I love? Okay, maybe it's because they're back to back when when it goes breakdown into ye Okay, I was gonna say the roof, but yo, breakdown is

hauntingly beautiful. It is uh uh, it's a vivid it's vivid. You're talking about my all vividly and blazing in my mind, blazing in my but then breakdown into baby Doll is one song is about lost, and then one song is about longing because like the relationship is over on terms she didn't love, and then she still just wants to be your baby doll. And allegedly baby Doll, My All and the Roof Dry Jeter, Mr Dirk Jeter himself was she confirmed this. She confirmed at least My All and

the New York the New York Magazine art interview. And that was a moment because I remember when that song came out and a radio DJ was like at the time in like ninetie, I'm not even kidding, and this is like that when I was so into baseball, so you were. I was on Long Island and Dark Teater was you couldn't get bigger than Dark Teeter. And also Mariah carry a Lions princess, so when it was rumored

that they were fucking, everyone was on fire. And like I remember this song played in the car because they used to play jams on the radio and they came on It's actually Real Culture number one hundred and nine. They used to play sometimes you would get him My All on the radio. Now not so much, but I remember that the DJ was like you know, rumor is that Derek Jeter and Mariah Carry are doing what they

say in this song late at night. Anyway, this is the one hundred and then she started and I was just like, wait, hold on, we need to go back. Can we can we rewind the radio because I need to know everything about Derek Jeter and Mariah don be like, I need to know what these two beautiful beige bodies are doing at nighttimes. I've never been horn in here. Oh no, these two beautiful, like racially ambiguous bodies just writhing at their peak. And also, you're so right when

you're saying Ryan was never hotter. I just recently bought her greatest hits vinyl, and inside they have all these incredible photos of her from like the hair, just like her makeups, beautiful her. She had never sounded better. She was like taking classy sexy photos. I was like, she really defined to me what like what sex appeal was,

you know what I mean? But like that image of her on that cover, it's just a piece of fabric and a belly chain and then a butterfly and hair and like she's playing with monochromatic earth tones just and just like this beautiful image. So like Mariah Carey Honey video, Butterfly, but Honey videos specifically, and then the X Men because they were different, they were born different. What makes X Men the nineties Fox animated series the superior series to you?

Over like um, X Men Evolution like the other iterations too, Yeah, but please, I just want to hear it from you because I don't really like I need some context. I need to like sort of be like brought up to speed on. Okay, So you have X Men Evolution, you have Wolverine and the X Men. You have the failed pilot Pride of the X Men, which was before all

of them. Pride of the X Men launched the Arcade games where you see like a couple of iterations of the team where it's like Storm, Dazzler, Cyclops not Crawlos. I remember that. So you play that game. The character models are based on that, and that was a very

kind of like early eighties team. The thing about the series is they use the designs from the highest selling common book of all time, which was Jim Lee, Chris Claremont and I forget who was the incher, but Uncanny X Men like number one and it sold eight point one million copies. Like, if it's one thing Maria and the X Men gonna do, it's gonna go platinum. So they sold at least they sold eight million copies of this compot. It's the most important common book to Marvel

at the time. Marvel was like, whatever people want from the X Men, they can do. So there were all these titles that spanned out of it, and the team was so important. They split the team up into the Blue Team and the Gold Team, and so the series just said, we want to take all of some of the favorite parts from that comic book and make that into a series, which was crazy because you go, wait this,

but just like just happened. They're not like going back to nine three to do like the original five X Men, not going like the eighties for the outback team. They're like, we're gonna give you the X Men that just like sold out two years or two three years ago. And so they put together like a like a beautiful mashup team. The first two episodes nine, the Sentinels were so important

because the character dies. You think you found out season two he didn't die, but a character dies like they're going on a mission that's supposed to not like result in anyone dying, and Morph gets shot and then goes away, and you see like Cyclops in Wolf Ring get into it. You believe who like kind of represents you with the viewer because you're a younger kid, and you believe is like them all rat who's like, I'm gonna do what

I want. It's so good. It's just so from that point on, I had those two you could get the cassettes at Pizza Hut in like a box. I had like the two sets with like a specialized like before and after message from like Stanley the Creator, and I got those at Pizza Hut. I like had like so

many passion figures, so it's just wow. And then from a message tonally, it's like a young black kid in Mississippi who maybe didn't have a way to articulate he was queer, but definitely knew I loved Mariah Carey at that point or not even that point, but that was ninety two, but like knew I liked doing stuff with my mom and I wasn't always picked first for stuff, and like I ran kind of silly and like maybe like I don't know what's going on, but like to

have like a team and like for them to be like, it's okay, you're just more different and they have like Storm be like a black super heroine. It was you can't write that stuff. I mean they did, but it was very but they did. Wait, but who who? Who do you identify with most? So I watched me, watched me piss people off with this. I I am a

big Iceman fan. One of the very most of the queer one came out because of Brown Michael bend This A lot of writers had had a bunch of subtext kind of skirting the issue came out, I want to say in two thousand twelve. It was two thousand fifteen. He came out, and he deflects with humor. He's more powerful than he could ever imagine he's but he's also like very much a guy that just wants to go along with the flow, a bunch of failed relationships with women.

Also like is hot, but like surprisingly like like some comics you'd be like, Bobby, get out of here, but in some comics you'd be like, Bobby, what's going on? Well, they made him hot and straight in the movies, but in the in the movie the next two it was like that scene where he comes out, so like it's kind of late on thick, but it's it's it's it's great. It's like at the time it was kind of like the wink to from Brian Singer to yeah, but he's a whole Hans are our lovely Hans says in the movie.

In the X Men movie, Iceman is also the one whose parents asked have you tried not being a mutant? With very queer subtext. So, yes, we're referring to that scene Bobby's mom and X two X Men United, after he like freezes the coffee and the cat starts to look at it like she's like, what have you ever tried not being me? And then his brother calls the police on that and like outs them and like tries to get Bobby taken away. Yes, Bobby is anti cop.

Oh and you know, Pyros really anti copy blows up the car that people should do that because you get in trouble. But so when you're when you're when you're watching X Men and you're running weird and doing things with mom and loving Mariah, at what point do you realize because I I've only that must have been very confusing for a kid to realize bisexuality. Oh, I didn't realize that sexuality was an option until I was in college.

And some real well because I didn't have an experience with a guy until college, because I had girlfriends in high school. I had like a girlfriend my junior year that went to problem with that, had like a girlfriend for part of my senior year, and I had like really close friendships. And sometimes I think I coded my queerness by just being like, man, it, dude, so cool. Don't you guys want to meet the cool that he's from a different school, He's got stories we don't know.

Maybe he knows girls that we don't know. But also he probably should tell us what his parents do for a living, because it seems like a very nice house. That's so, you had girlfriends all pretty much throughout your like like and like I'm talking like fully attracted to girls, attracted to girls, consummated the relationship commation. Had a very

American prom night. Let's just say the junior year, but senior year I also had a very American prom night because we thought the whole night, so that is very American. That's very While the pray played in the Nissan armand year was two thousand six, Don't do me, spot On? Spot On, How did you know how to save a life?

Tell j not go to problem with I'm not gonna say her name on here, but just that's how you save a life that time travel and be like, y'all don't have to go to problem together just because y'all are like cool, Like y'all y'all are gonna fight. I remember I went. I went to go see the freight um at Jones Beach with one of my male straight friends, just he and I and like we ran into people from high school there, and everyone was like, what the funk are you doing on a date together? The fray?

And I felt so bad that the kid had come with me because I was like, he didn't have to do this, but he really liked the fray. Shout out to Nicolie to a woman. Fray in the car. That's something I miss. The phrase when the frame would come out in the car. That's what it gets you to Jones Beach. That's it's a straight boys in the car in the car in the car and the car was then you just said yellow card and that was the card to say, that was the card to pull I'm

calling on your red car ocean avenue in Mississippi. But guess what, I listened to it like we did. We had one and I slept where I grew up. We had an ocean avenue, and I felt very alive whenever it would come on. The PHRA was the PHRA was a huge deal for for for Denver because they were from Denver and we sort of wore a culturally barren place at that point, and um, it was just a very big deal that they had made it big over my head in the car. That is like that takes

you back over my head. People say how to save a life, but over my head. So that was honestly, his voice was great. That sound was amazing. That was really over my head, cable that was everyone knows middle Night. And then you know what happened was he was smart vocally structurally sound. He yeah, I know, he was a singer. And you know why they blew the funk up was because how to Save a Life was in graze and at to me they were big then once how to Save a Life because at that point, how do you

know what happened? Because the season two finale made Snow Patrol chasing cars, and then the season three promos all featured how to Save a Life. I'm almost positive now how to Save a Life was pre season two, was was in season two, but when it was getting good in the second half of season two, they were showing it during during promos. Then that's right, that's right, that's what it is. I might smoke a joint and watch second half of season two episodes of Grace. Tonight, Baby

Get Grace. It's actually real culture number fifty praise um. I'm going to ask a sort of a dumb ass question about bisexuality, but this is something that I'm curious about. Is there so so in college you you haven't experienced guys.

It's confirmed that you enjoy you enjoy men, But it's like, is there this like period where like the full grum shifts a little, You're you're not sure where it lands, and then and then it like lands somewhere, and then you're like, okay, I'm buying, Like where where it's like you can eat you're able to sort of stand firm

in that identity. I had like a really good time with a few guys in college, but then I still find myself like when no one was watching like no, like no, this wasn't performative, like still like messaging girls and like talking to girls and like hooking up with girls. I had a summer where I like put on a little bit of muscle and so I was I was like one of the first. It was the first of many a hot girl summer. The cows came home. Yeah, the cat came. The cows came home to home in Mississippi.

So at one point someone was like, well, you like you've definitely like you've I've seen like that you hooked up with guys, Like why are you still like hitting on me? I was like, cannot like do both and me saying that to that person, I was like, oh, well, I mean sure, but are they like yeah, sure or

have you faced that? People sometimes are weird out or uncomfortable with it because I'm so okay with people shorthanding me being a male bisexual to saying gay if the intentions are pure, if it's like just like you saying that from a catch all kind of grab bag territory, it's one syllable. It queer is also one syllable. But then people are like, I'm not an academic um, but

it's true. So I think that there have been people that are like, well, like I don't really believe what Jay is saying because he's dating a guy and he's at the guy for so long. But then I'm also like, well, you all know the YouTube search history or like what. It's just a very it's a fear that I don't have as much anymore because I'm very much grounded in my truth and my kind of internal attraction to things.

So like if someone's like, oh, Jay is secretly lying, I was like, like, but what's the benefit of the lie. I've already been like, I stucked a few dicks, You've you've given up whatever. The inherent power and heteronormative culture is if the minute you're like, man, I get come on.

So it's just at this point we all have to be we all have to sort of agree on this, on this on the same set of facts or terms or whatever, which is just that like get the whole like subtrafuge, like deceit element out of any kind of queer identity where it's like it's like you know, I mean not to fully extrapolate this into like territory that like maybe none of us have like experience in but it's like it's like when the kneegric reaction for a

trans person, for a trans person coming out as being like, oh, then you're like you've been lying to us the whole time. It's like wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait, there's no there's no lie here, there's no deceit. Yeah, there's no deceit. It's like it's like and that kind of gets thrown up by people a lot, I feel, yeah, and picularly particularly by men and buy men of color a whole lot. But then there's also the other end of the spectrum as far as like attraction to buy men,

where it's like it's like you're fetishized. Yeah. I just think that when someone says thereby go oh, that's cool, and then if they say it again, be like, okay, do you you want something you want like a PRIs I'm down for it. I wish everyone the best. I also think that like, the more I mean, the more people will come out a is bisexual, the more helpful it is. September is technically bisexual Awareness month. Did you

guys know that? I did not know that. It's because September doesn't know if it wants to be summer or fall. So let me ask you a question. Is that one of your Is that one of your jokes or is that a real fact? No, because it was like the or the twenty three, and they kept moving it and then someone was like, just pick no, it was it was. It was actually a day in September, and then it got like stretched out to a week and now there were this year. They were like, ain't nobody doing nothing?

No way, you really are? Can I say, like, as a stand up you really are a joke fucking machine? Is nuts? You really are really good and I we've seen you be good for so many years. But I remember I went to I was doing um I think game show with David atfl and I saw you do your new faces and now you shined. You really did.

Thank you. Thank That means a lot because I really want people to say, oh, my gosh, she's such a good joke writer and he's so charismatic, because what happens sometimes for black comedians and for queer people that are performance they'll go, oh, you're so charismatic, and you go that was also well written. Yeah, you don't have to like treat me like a black quarterback and be like, oh, he's such a good athlete. Know he's good at his job.

That happens with pore people. Sometimes it also happens with women. They'll be like, oh, you're so rowdy. You'll be like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, You're just one of the It's whenever people start going I like her because she's not like and they say another female comedians and then you're like, what are you doing with all these like loaded compliments that just tear

down other people? That is sure, it's sassy. It's like, no, I'm writing, I'm giving you like a joke on TV, just just just take pick up on and putting down. It's exactly what we were saying before about people needing labels to feel comfortable, or to feel smart, or to

feel informed on the topic. It's like comedy audiences when they see, like, let's just say, for example, a black woman on stage, there is this inherent thing I think among modern comedy audiences because they haven't been given the space to to be like, oh, this is gonna be fun, her energy is gonna be really good, but just based because she's a black woman, or like a gay comic going up on stage. Oh, this is gonna be bitchy.

There's gonna be a lot of celebrities and stuff in here, or like, you know whatever, just judging things based on whatever anyone's like identity is that takes to the stage. It's like, no, actually, there's a lot of skill that goes into this, and I'm happy that you thought it was fun for whatever reason that you came into this with.

But I hope you leave it being like, oh, that comedy made me think was impressive to me an x y Z, not just because a gay person was up there and spoke with a loud voice and um, you know, shake his ass a little bit. I think because because I think, no, that's not what you do. But I literally will care any song that you put out because I'm usually like, this is also a very good you're going to build to something this song. This song ain't on accident. It's never on accident. I would never put

out a song that was an accident. And you're never gonna see any any You're never see nothing from me that's not gonna pay off. You know what They'll say to my boyfriend sometimes and once he says, we uplift the community that has definitely been marginalized, and we want to make sure that we are celebrating and protect protecting them. Let's go trad true to like me, Bet you didn't not bet you didn't know. A lot people don't know something. A lot of people don't know. And if you don't

know this reference, you can go see my Uh. What happened was Taylor Swift leaked an album, she leaked Lover back before she changed it all out because we knew we got her number with the queer pandering. But she there was an album that she put out called The First Lover. You can see that on my Twitter First Taylor Swift, Taylor Swift, Lover, Matt Rogers google a bit. It's very very good. And so in that same vein, what I like to do is I like to be

like a craftsman. I like to like okay, so like so like play right, like the end of the word right. You're like in a guild, you like create something. So whenever I put together a joke, I wanted to be structurally sound. I try to be on the right side morally. I never try to get an easy victory out of a joke. And because there's so many I just have so many places to play. I can play with queerness, I can play with fish out of water, I can play with being black, I can play with being kind

of a nerd. I can play with being in a relationship. There's so many elements of me that I think are congruous, and through that friction comedy is created that I just continue to try to write that way, and I always go, would I be happy if this is the joke that blew up? Because you gotta let me tell you something. You don't get to choose which joke blows up. And when the joke blows up, what happens when people share it and people and you're like, I don't, I don't know,

I don't that's not me. Yeah, that's so said. The context of it all, and how you know, when you're a prolific comedian, when you're someone that's been doing this for a very long time, sometimes it is a little weird what catches on or what you feel like you have to explain and what you don't have to explain, you know what I mean? It says a lot about the way that you're received and your comedy has received. When something does well and you're like, that's got to

be a fluke. It's not really a fluke, or also wouldn't be shared so much. Consumption matters. People find out the hard way people. I mean some people had to go to Africa when they got upset with who was laughing super hard at some of their right material. That's all I'm saying, come matter, So who's look like, who's celebrating what you're saying about marginalized groups? And be like, oh yeah, y'all laughing too hard for me? Yeah, totally.

It's about taking responsibility for the reaction you want out of an audience. And you wrote this, you don't even get to be like, who wrote this? You did? I also just really really like the idea that like, uh, as a stand up I'm like the writer, the performer, the performer, the editor, the director uh and like the first kind of reviewer of it, because I can go through like multiple drafts of jokes. There are things So Bowen, I saw you in February and then I saw I

secretly saw you in March. You a dad Jai hotel. Yeah you had to dip and so like I got the closest show out and I have jokes that I'm happy with from March because I wrote a bunch of new stuff, like the stuff now none of it is from the album, but like I wrote a bunch of new stuff and like December, in January and February, and then like I got to see, like these jokes that I was doing in March, I can see what if

they're making the cut in September. And because because you're just putting that care into the process early on, like from the from the beginning. Yeah, I try, you do. I mean, I mean, but Matt, you and I saw j at flame Con when we like kind of host I loved that flame Colm with you show that I got to do. I don't think so, honey. And you picked Sailor Moon and I said, I don't think so, honey. Serena, take care of your damn cat the English name, I

don't know. Luna is tired of your men. Luna's frowning and grimacing all the damn day at you. You must have been filling yourself at flame Con. That's like, it's that was, that's that is fish in the barrel, but in the best way. Because anything that I write where I'm like they don't want to hear tim and Ites on X Men. That crowd was like, yes, yeah, that was so fun. I bought a bunch of erotic art at that. You did you did know that that crowd is great? That he was some hot stuff. It was

it was the buff stuff for the Disney stuff. No, it wasn't Disney stuff. It was like it was like superhero stuff. It was like night Wing with a huge throb Yeah, yeah, yeah, phenomenal. That crowd is great because all you have to do is like mentioned Final Fantasy and then they like come in their pants. It's great. And but and it's like, oh, like and these are my people, Like I like, this is like a side of me that I don't get to like sort of show.

And because so much of gaming, like the rumor and the talk about gaming, is this this toxic, evil, straight cystender male culture. And like you as a little kid that wanted to play with all the female characters on Tech and you're like, that's not me. I wanted to play with Lynchall You like, she could do a couple of back flips. It's like I was get because he can teleport and a sword, he could he can bounce

on the sword bounce. Also he was he was one of the characters that, like like other characters, had different costumes, had different clothings. Mitsu had a different look. It was a different era. Yes, at one point he was a bug. He was a she. She just had different existences. He'd had to be a bug, or he'd be like an android, or he'd be like a god. I mean it was Yoshi means he was the best. He's been very, very queer because he was just a shape shifter in a

lot of ways, so very queer in that sense to me. Um. And then Hans says, bouncing looked like whacking. Oh yeah, the bouncing looked like the sword. It was a little fat like, but you it was a double grap. It was a big sort. I always enjoyed um. Whenever I was playing Super Smash Brothers, I would always enjoy playing as Zelda because she could turn into che yes. And this was a queer narrative I felt, was that she sort of the very the feminine masculine, the play there

um and the sort of disappearing the chest binding. How many the entire idea of Zelda Link and Zelda from an aesthetic standpoint, you understand how many couples look like and they're just to me is when a couple looks like Lincoln Zelda, it's a run for the hills moment. That was a good test. It's okay for them to be white. I mean, Matt, it's okay for them be white. No, I'm saying there shouldn't be two blonds in a relationship. That is horrifying to me. I just started watching Real

Housewives of Dallas and there's a redhead couple. They're both I've never seen no, I've seen that once. I've seen that one Dallas. I'm enjoying it. Joe Joel Kim booster Um is I think the only person who like stands The Housewives with Dallas. But I would. I mean, I was born and raised on Atlanta. That Atlanta is like, it's like kind of a touchstone. I'm kept up a little bit. With Potomac. We need to talk because you

just had Monique on the podcast. Oh my god, this is a segway into the podcast, but can you tell us what Monique Samuels was like from Real Houts of Potomac on the rear view, You guys are gonna lose

your mind. When I tell you so calm, so chill, very appreciative of queer fans, very aware of queer d C also glowing, like just glowing beautiful beautiful told us the story about to Chola escaping and coming back and how to got away, but no, someone saw the bird and then she said to Chola came back to her and like then she got to hug him, and he doesn't like to be hugged, but she So the reason she was on the podcast was because she's an important

She's important. Uh, she's an important character or person on the Real House was a potomac. But also she was getting in front of what we kind of hinted at being a villain edit. But yeah, I haven't watched the latest episode and someone said something happens that may make me think it's not a villain edit because if they have the footage, they can't it can only they can only show you doing what you did. So I have watched the episod it from this week. Did you watch

a bone last night? I'm one behind. I didn't watch, so suffice it to say that, and I'm speaking of someone who's like pretty team Monique. I'm last last night at all, Yeah, here's the thing. I think Cannice is an amazing housewife. I just feel like it's like there, she is the aggressor in so many situations like that, it's hard to point the finger anyone else. However, she is so much fun. And something happened last night where

I'm like, oh, Monique is the definition of bothered. Actually she's not unbothered at all, but there's something, something is under her skin. The Monique can be bought where we can give her permission to be bothered the candidates. But I'm just saying, if someone, ultimately someone on this season is going to pop off and it's going to become physical, and it's hinting that Monique to me, is going to

be the one that loses it. But I'm also very aware of the fact that and I said this to Patrick because Patrick Rogers, who's one of the co hosts of The rear View, my relation no relation only in my house of Rogers. However, we are the house and um, I said, because he doesn't really watch Potomac or housewives. And I said, here's what you need to know. She's getting a villainett it and you need to find out how she's feeling about it because it's unfolding before our eyes.

And I said, that must feel so crazy to watch yourself get the villain at it. Like we've had some reality contestants on the show before, and I asked about what it's like to get a specific kind of edit. Well, we've never had someone on that specifically gotten a villain at it, So I wanted to know, like, does she have anything to say about that. So Candice the season before, you remember when she was pregnant, She's like, I'll drag you pregnant. That moment kind of said Okay, Monique can

get aggressive, but she doesn't have to be. And then she said, look at the way Candice has been acting early in this season. So she pointed at like the kind of like how she treats Ashley. She pointed at the fact that like she always seems to be in the middle of a little bit of mess. She pointed the relationship with her mother, so there of like receipts that she had that made me go, okay, so you've

definitely you're making your case. And Canada's also just I she likes the way that she's being perceived on the show. You know, what I mean is very comfortable with her positions and like those kind of like those titles flip flop a lot, like if you would have At at one point I was like, oh, yeah, I love Padre, and then there was one season when I was like, Padre is evil, literally like the worst kind of person, and even said, well, now I'm the dog on villain.

And so there are their moments where they can shift not have to see. It's just like Real Housewife is one of those things where I go, why out, this is really interesting to watch and thank goodness I'm not a part of it. Yeah right, I think it's so. I think it's so interesting to watch the social dynamics in all these different like locales out so differently to

you know what I mean, It's just so interesting. Like I'm so excited for salt Lake, and we we talked about how we wanted a trailer last week, and the trailer came out and came out. I'm really surprised by what it looks to It looks much more interesting than I thought it would be. I was interested in salt Lake when I found out about the grandmother's ex husband. Girl, this is the craziest ship I've ever heard, I was like, and then for it to be like a black girl,

I was like, who are at this? Mary Crosby, Welcome, Welcome to the consciousness Mary. And then she she used to be Pentecostal or something. It's like the Yeah she was like a first lady or something of this of some mega church. Yeah that that the grandmother's that her grandfather Like like what was that? Head of? Like we've had it's it's perfect. What would it take for you to marry a member of you? Who know? What would it?

What would it take for your grandmother to die? And for your reaction to be I gotta get my I gotta get my grandmother's husband's stick. Natalie Walker talks about how Every Housewives Spran Tries is a different like Shakespeare play, and it's like, yeah, like this it is Shakespeare in the way that these things play out, where like people come in like saying and then completely unravel or it's like you know, uh yeah, but it's also just a very look We're gonna look back on this and be like,

oh my gosh. We are just like looked at these things and we said keep going. And it was well, and some aspects I love it and sm aspects, I'm like, well, you know what, I can't fix it. I can't fix it. I'm here in New York. I actually have it. I have a different take on this. I disagree that it's like a bad thing. Like no, no, I'm not saying

you guys are saying that. But like I think like there's a public sort of like um popular notion about the housewives are the real housewives that it's like the trash even worse than Kardashians, etcetera, Like like it's just women, desperate women who like have like alcohol problems or whatever problems in their life, like fighting each other. It's bad for women, etcetera. I think that's like something you hear

about it a lot before you start watching. For me, I actually think the way it's helped me is I'm actually not afraid of conflict at all now, because I'm not even kidding you. I admire the way, and this is because they say a lot of the ship that they talk on camera, so they have to deal with it. But I admire the way they'll turn to someone and say even if it doesn't always go great or they don't say it correct. I like when people say I

feel this way about a particular thing. This is why, and this is why I'm talking to you about it. I admire that because I think that so much like in interpersonal relationships, like if you are a people pleaser, or if you are someone who, like you know, wants everyone to be happy all the time, or you're someone that just isn't comfortable expressing yourself. It's something aspirational about being like, no, you know what, these are my emotions.

I'm going to take up space with it because it's important and you can deal with it the way you're going to deal with it, and at the very least, it shows a what not to do about how to resolve you know what I mean? You know what, Matt, I agree. I think there are definitely moments where in real life you should be able to say, you know what, screw the niceties, this is what you did that was inappropriate to our group of friends, own up to this publicly, and I have to say it this loud so you

know that we all mean it. Yeah, because gay people might gave people need to do that more. Okay, you're if you're a gay friend, is being problematic If you're a gay friend, is trafficking in misogyny, if your gay friend is trafficking and like transphobia, racism, like respectability politics. I would even say being a centrist right now if you have friends like that and be like, hey, I don't know if anyone has told you, but I'm here to tell you cut that ship out right now. I

have a few things to add. Um, it's so interesting that you say that to you because I have this This is kind of maybe gross to admit, but I've had I've had fantasies of housewives, asked confrontations that I initiate with friends who are to have transgressed for those those exact and those exact ways that you've just listed to Jay, and I'm just like, I want to just be like, hey, cut that out, and like you and I actually don't share the same values and you should

stop this, and I'm actually not interested in being your friend. Which I don't know if that's like housewives, but it's just like I see that as the as I see that as the presentational sort of like style in my own mind. Whatever to the reason I say it won't end, well, it's just because I feel like with certain housewives it's like with the lou Wands and with the like certain there are certain case studies where um, it's just it's

just a little dark. But overall, I feel like the value of of this, of this whole sort of series and these franchises is that it demystifies wealth. For me, it's like, all these people don't lack anything, or I'm not lacking anything that these people have, you know, if that's interesting totally and they're living relatively normal lives. It also helps to create and this same selfish as people

who work in entertainment. It creates camp without even knowing it. Yeah, oh yeah, you go, because they're dead serious and commitment to that is absurd. When reflected back through a certain lens, you go, oh my good, you believe this. I love her? Yeah yeah. I laugh out loud all the time watching it because of throwaway lines like when people don't realize like when Candice said last year I invite her to my home, I gave her a beverage. I was like,

that's that's genius to me. And also when they keep showing that she got on Twitter and said in all caps, where is your income? Roach? I mean that to me, what's She's one of a kind, and ultimately it's like it. Ultimately, Candice is the reason for this, for the season, and she is the reason for all the problems. And what's it's gonna come down to is how much can Monique take. Matt makes fun of me for Twitter, and I feel like sometimes I get into Candice territory because I will

act up on Twitter. Not know, I love it, It's the only place to act. I don't know if I've ever called anyone a rote, but like today, herschel Walker's son said some stupid conservative bullshit, and I like, I had to light his He's a little he's a little queer by racial kids, so I had to be like this, ain't girl done every well? You posted a Twitter poll today should I act up? Or should I act all the way up? And I was like, you should act all the way up? People wanted me that what way?

What did you? People wanted me to act in? Because like, it's fine, I'm not doing anything dangerous. No justister typing, what can you do? Last? What hapage? Could you do? Really? To eighty? I'm just you know, you're gonna see the outline of some things. That's it. Yeah, I mean my fare way. Oh wow, And Jason that that that plus

button on the tweet he's adding to the thread. Oh yeah, maybe maybe you're Sometimes I've done that if it's like, if it's like something I'm like really passionate about, Like I would have done it about versus. I would have done it about mart carry the X men. I would do it if someone had something negative to say about one of y'all, I'd be like, hold on, I know that I would do the same for you. Because here's

something crazy that people don't know now. And I never want to be the person who pulls up a ladder behind them. But now a lot of people see what folks do and see what folks did and think it's easy, and I have to say it ain't. Don't get don't get on don't get on Twitter and get your thirteen thousand followers real quick because because you're white and have a symmetrical face, and then think that you're in the

talks for things. Some of these kids, some of these kids are like two years into doing comedy and think whereas where my gifts were my treats? It's like, babe, and where are your credits? That's okay? Okay, that it is it. I honestly think that I think social media makes everything look easier than it is. And that's just really that, you know what I mean, Like I just but I mean, but but there's a new phenomenon of

and and and man. I've talked about this, I've taught I talked about this with Joshua here and Jackson all

the time. There's this thing of like of like of like thinking that you are on a certain track to get things when it's like no, like look at the people like the Jeff Hiller's the Darcy card, and it's the people who have like stuck with it for so long and now they're blowing the funk up because they like invested in community, in a community to invested in there like fundamental career things and you like you don't talk enough about like okay, so that come from a

theatrical background. I have like a b F A and m F A. So I did all of that before I even got you'll or like there was no part of me that was like, oh I had the actual agent that couldn't do ship for me. I had to drop them. I moved here in twenty fifteen. There was a time when my friend who ended up being like Hamilton's Amber Michael Yer, I was going to train clients and he was coming from a catering gig and I was like, man, Michael should be catering. This dude is

so talented. Like moments like that, That's what I remember. It's never what everyone needs to know. What everyone needs to know is that the most talented people are catering. You know what I mean? None of like it is a lot of hard which has nothing to do with their like worth as a person. No, not at all understanding like ultimately like quote unquote success or like whatever I do feel like it is a lot of luck. It's also hard work. It's also talented. It is a

combination of those three things. And you can be unlucky. You can be so good and nothing happened. You can be garbage and everything happened like but if you have, but you definitely need to work hard, and you definitely need to be talented. So if you're not those two, if you're not hard working, or you're not telling work hard, work hard, that's like in comedy for me, that's the one thing I always tell people. I say, I'll be like repetition like get better at the thing you're trying

to get good at. Jay makes it about the work and that's what we love. Yeah, totally. And I just wanted to ask before we go on too, I don't think so, honey, Like, what have you been loving doing the review? You have such a fun at I so blessing me with my good Christian anti Monique car Brown cow stunning the house down. She Monique plays with her voice too, in a way that I don't think enough. I don't think enough people play with their voice with the vocals. She's so fun and her heart is so

big and she cares about so many people. And Chester is such a reliable activist and so funny so self deprecations like cool just so like I learned there, Like what what is that like factor? I don't know. Yeah, it's coolness, but it's also like Chester is there before other people. I talked about how much I liked uh Rena Sawa Yama and Chester was like, oh, you mean my friend And I was like, of course he's friends with all. Uh well, we can talk about Sawa Yama

the album later, because it's so very good. I did a threat about that and Patrick is so funny but also so good at raining us in but also like a little mischievous house. Yeah, I mean the stories untold. I mean we don't even know. You have no idea Patrick Patrick Rodgers. If you if you're with him, he gives you like camp counselor crushed tribes that you're like, oh what, who's that guy? Well he just found out that Patrick gets out because you haven't you haven't met

you in the same place. I thought he was like a little five six otter. I was ready. I was ready to put my hand around his waist and now he's gonna put his hand around only like he sure is when we did. My god, oh my goodness. He is a He is a good energy and energy and always ready to be like, let's talk about the important thing and then balance it out with something that's not important. You need a moderator. If you're going to be a

gay view, then you better have a moderator. Also his baby, And I do have to tip my hat to you and Joel can booster for like putting my name in the running for that spot that I got. So it's because baby, I mean, I know, you know, I know what's up and you know that I know. I just I'm such a fund that you know that I know that you know. And that's and that's and that's what we know each other. So we see each other speaking of speaking of things we know we're gonna do it.

I don't think so honey, and which we know something and hate it and then ransom for one minute about it. Um, so this is I don't think, so honey. It's sixty seconds. It's a segment. We've done it on every single episode. Gosh damn Bowen. We've done hundreds of these, motherfucker's. We've done a lot of them. We've done many I don't think so honeys, and we're going to keep doing them, whether or not the listener enjoys them. So, Matt, you

and there's titters. There's titters about maybe like a live event there, I mean there, I guess there are, but we haven't really checked in on this recently. But yet that was dive face and asked first into sn L and I'm like, let's do a live show on zoom and he's like, get out of my face. He's going back to roar in October. I'm excited. It's yeah, it's

and we found the tea is. Last night I hung out with them, Sudi and Heidi and Ago, and I was just telling them as like, I'm expecting my anticipation is that I might not be in these because they're just they're keeping them very sort of you know. Lean that's all that's all say for now. But it's like I'm just I'm just like, I'm not gonna like set myself up for any sort of crazy lofty expectation. Well, and I would say I might not be that busy, so we could just do a live I don't think

we featured for a featured player. We have had been great with many bone Yang appearances and we will look forward to whatever we can get out of these five before the damn election in and then who knows what happens um, But in the meantime, I would like to do my I don't think so, honey. Okay, so this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think honeyest time starts now,

I don't think so, honey. The feeling of and wording of swamp ass okay, So let's talk about the words swamp ass Okay, So this is a swamp, this is a marshy area with gators and it's hot and muggy, and maybe the word ass, which is your world, what happens in your pants. These two things should not be in the same sentence, although we find them in the same sentence many, many times, mostly used by straight male teens.

When they discover this word swamp ass, and they associate their feeling with the with the words, they want to use it a lot, and it's become part of the culture. I don't like it. I don't think so, honey. Let's talk about how it feels to have swamp ass disgusting. Um, it feels like a swamp in your hole, or as I call it, your world. And even if you have a little bit of down there, you know, it gets all the worse. And then you think it's going to

get better if you shave it. No, it gets sweatier. Actually, so having a bear hole actually is an even worse thing. Also, when you far, it makes a sound when it's fired down there. Swamp ass, I don't think so. I just want to clean pure ass, and that what would you call it instead instead of swamp ass? Yeah? Are you you're saying? But because because you're saying, I don't think so any the feeling of and the wording of it

as an entire idea I don't like. I would say that the fact that it's called swamp ass like is almost too accurate for what it is down there that I get it get a pure for men. They do like the the the as scrubs. They do like the ass lotion. It keeps you nice. And there's like as deodorant, it keeps you nice down there. I'm going to say that there are gonna I'm not one of them, but they're gonna be some kinksters that are readers that will

be like Matt, I like it that they do like it. Actually, don't be some folks that are like when I go back to the Eagle, I'm gonna have it. So I was, this was years ago. I was gonna go hook up with a guy, and I had just I had just discovered getting my ass eat. And I'll never forget where I was. I was in college. I was in college

when Jackson died. When the way I rolled back right there though, Matt, girl, I love it so basically like the first time that it ever happened, and I just didn't know what could feel like that, And I was just like, oh my god. So then there was this other guy I was talking to in college years ago, and he was trying. He was he we were gonna fuck, and I was sort of saying I liked my asseat now and he's like, I love it. Don't shower, and I was like, oh my god, because that to me.

And now, as as like an assid eater, I think that everyone's got a shower, and it's interesting you bring up the scrubs. I encountered someone who had used the chocolate scrub on their whole recently, and the chocolate to me, I guess it didn't taste like chocolate to me, which as I was eating, and I'm like, do you want an ask it taste like chocolate? But then I was like, because sometimes it's brown, I don't know a little. For me when I came to chocolate astrup, oh my gosh.

You don't want to serve dinner off no dirty plates? Right, That's that's I mean. For me, it's like, if I'm going to be doing the digging, let's clear out some let's make it a good atmosphere. Oh yeah, all right, very good. But the guy I'm nearly da somebody pointing

to the best. But basically what I was saying was this did happen to me in college where someone was like, amazing, don't don't shower he was, and he was like he was like, I like men and put men all in caps, and I was like, okay, so okay, it's just one of me. I think. I think what he was saying was he wanted like nasty, sweaty and manhood. It was. It was the year two thousand nine, Bowen Yang. I was enlightened enough back then to not that I wasn't

hooking up with this guy because he was smart. That was on some Vicky Valley court from the water boy ship, like when she tells Bobby's mom men are supposed to have stinky feet, Like I was like on that. So you know, I mean, I don't kink shame, but everyone like just do whatever whatever your part. Not not king shaming at all, just saying it's you know, to each their own wo um. So you know, traditionally, after I go,

bone Yang will go. And I'm wondering if he's feeling giggly and rocky enough to I am feeling giggly and ronny enough. We'll see how this goes okay, well this is I don't think so, honey, and it's time starts now. I don't think so honey. Spackling a K, A wall patch, a K ceiling patch, vinyl spackling. Why you look like ice cream? Why you look like royo? And why are you coming in a damn cup at the hardware store. Don't package this like food when it's not supposed to

be food. And then I'm scraping it out with a putty knife and it looks like the consistency of a nice, beautiful treat that I would eat on a summer's day. So spackling, you gotta you gotta get near go, and you gotta get pick a new look because it's not working, because you might poison a child someday soon. I'm sure you already have spackling. I don't like this this cup nonsense. Go into a tube like you where you belong. Go into a big old get, but not not ice cream,

not not a Brier's thing. Go into a big bucket. You gotta signal the fact that you're not food, because too much of you is food like and spackling. I I have your number, and I am going to stop at nothing to make sure you belong in a tube, that you end up in a tube. And that's one minute, and thank you for speaking out. It's a safety hazard. It's a safety Sackling looks like ice cream. Any child or dumb adult could walk over any of that. I was, I was. I was filling some nail holes today in

the wall, and I thought I was. As I was doing, I was like, this looks yummy. And the spackling, you have a huge problem an installation insulation. Insulation looks like cotton candys. Look, yeah, is going to eat insulation. This is crazy to have one of the smartest young people in America and he's got so much talent and so much intelligence and so much promise yet to come. And still you have him eating the spackling, eating the insulation, most asbestos. He eats it cut in his prime because

of the temptation that is spackling. They said, no one's broken out like they said, no one's broken out like this since Kate McKinnon he ate spackling and died he died. Were no, we're not And it wasn't even like it wasn't even though like the bet list of the ways he would die. No, everyone Beth overdose, everyone said, I

don't even want to make this about me. But if we have these teams eating the tide, if we have these kids eating the tide pods, who knows what they'll do when they come across spackling and saying it's covid Bowen yang is you know he's he's looking at the spackling. He's thinking, I'm sure I eat this. This is a cry for help. On the podcast Lost Culture. Yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway, that's that's my truth. I think I thought it was amazing, Thank you very much. It's time for j Jordan's, okay,

And I don't think so, honey. And he's an expert at the form, right, he said, very well. And that flam Con and the and the in the Midtown Hilton, Yes, yes, yes, no, may yes, they think of course this is j Jordan's. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. Okay, I don't think so, honey. Straight white men thinking the X men are for you, they are God. They are not for you. They are queer, they are outcasts, they are women, they are the other. They are marginalized group,

their powers manifested puberty. What did you manifested puberty besides krusty socks. Come on, it's not about you straight white men. You like Boulverine too bad, you're five three, get over it. You can go like the Punisher like someone else. You don't get it like mutants. First thing, Mutants were created by Stanley and Jack Kurby. Now a lot of straight people go, oh, to straight people created them, so they're for straight people. No, but guess what, straight people also

create gay people. So they did, and the X Men are by us right now. They live on Krikoa, a mutant island co op where they all live together harmoniously, and villains live there too, because guess what, these people are only villains in the eyes of normal people. I can straight people and non mutants. So the X MENO are not for you straight white men, but you can enjoy it, I guess we ally, Yeah, thank you very much.

You know, breaking news to everyone who loves Wolverine. You know who's Wolverine, Hugh Jackman, who's tap dancing and winning Tony Awards and belting his It goes craz right now, Wolverine and the comic books is in uh polyamorous thrupple with Scott Summers and Jean Gray and they have a joining rooms. What so Scott is fucking is logan logan and scottar fucking Yes. It's heavily implied by Jonathan Hickman that the X Men primary particularly Wolverine Cyclops in Gene,

have a polyamorous triad going on right now. And and this is this is the beauty of queerness. It solves the problem of that love triangle like that, and all of a sudden they're all having sex. It's perfect. Everybody wins. Every ready wins with straight dudes like, no, no, there's not we. I think we can give straight people spider We can get straight to Spider Man. Yeah, y'all can have Spider Man. I love Spider Man Spiderman too. I don't like giving it up to them, but I get it.

I think I think I'm okay with giving giving it to me. We can tell you what you do. You know who's exclusively frustrate people, because Spider Man might be bad too, but I didn't say, but you know I've heard this. But you know who's exclusively frustraight people? The Hulk. Yes, yes, I'm feeling I'm feeling some emotions, so I become a monster, get bat Batman drama is for the Straits. I think, yeah, yeah, straight people, you can have Batman. There's so many people

that you can have. It's just I want to let you know that the X Men, while you can help uplift there and affirm their message, they are queer and for queer people. When Batman trying to be queer Schumach in the movies, when when Schumaker tried to make them gay, the Straits revolted and and wouldn't have it. So a shame. It's such a shame. But I think we we lost

that war ultimately. Um so I can give Batman to them, but yeah, we keep X Men, but the images live on with us because when gay people lose, we still will drag something from that defeat. If we lose, we'll go I'm taking this if you can go out, I'm taking my drink with me on the street. We lost nothing with Batman Forever and Batman and Robin we got. We gained so much, all those ash shots we gained. Nicole Nicole almost said Nicole Kerman Nicole and Hidman with

that Veronica like Carricotta is Dr Chase Meridian. We got Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy. Come on, we got box True, we got a mindless grunting Baine and we all we've all tipped that. Go go boy, honey, let me tell you something. Give me that mindless grunting vein the second started talking and Dark Knight Rise and I was like, get me out of here, Get me out of here. I take Dark Knight Rises, Bin over over Poison Ivy. Bin. Don't you have a freakish disposition? The vascularity on that

band was too much. I didn't it was. It was silly to the it was goof that's the thing about the film. You're like, that's it was. Actually, yes, yes, Bain had too many blood vessels. That's my that's my note. That was a bridge to Cocohan has had too many animal sidekicks and Batman and Robin had Bain had too many veins. Oh my god, what are you going to say next week to complete this trilogy? We'll see, we'll see what we're gonna have to see Radcliff as a queer.

I saw something about that this week. Radcliffe to Radcliffe as a queer with the Cape whenever you as the song the case what he's singing the savages savages song. He's being very gay and there's a song that he has like a solo before that, which is one of

the gayest things you've ever seen. The dig Dig Yeah yeah, dig Dig someone back with with Percy with his little twink person between Percy was the pus So whoever his assistant was, well, Christian whoever Christian Bale plays in that movie, that Christian Bale o No, no, no, you're talking about You're talking about Roth. No, none, I'm talking about Christian.

You know Christian Bale was um they yeah, well whoever between, like like Radcliffe who groomed the pug, yes, him, I don't was a different kind of game, yeah, different, but I reject I don't. I don't want this the colonialism dude to be ours though. I don't like. Yeah, but that wasn't when it was a good that so so basically like no, no, no, I know because Jaffar was very gay and Jafar like you can't release no flies on Jafar. Jaffar is like noyes on Jafar Jar snakes

all around him. He's very evil. I was gonna kill her in sand. Never forget that. And we know from last week that Matt hates sand. Matt hates sand. Get iconic culture, Jasmine in the Hourglass, you cannot deny. I mean, yes, iconic, but but let's not forget like you know, if you if you appreciated all that, just know there was a woman suffering, okay, and she almost suffocated in the sand.

What's okay? So my favorite part of a Laddin whenever whenever the Sultan almost gets hypnotized and Jafar as like the princess will marry me? And the reason that the Sultan breaks the power of the staff he does, But you're so jar gets upset about it's so funny. It's just so it's been the joke has been made so many times. But it is so funny that every Disney villain is gay. It's so crazy. It's like, how do

we make this like unusual and offbeat? And it's the nineties or the eighties whenever, like, how do we do it? You gotta make him homosexual? It started with Ursula, Yes it did, but I went because okay, so this is the last time earlier with the rescuers, was there was

there a gay Well there's that. How there's a really really really good article where people collected people's takes on this kind of like trope that everyone's aware of now, and they named characters I didn't even think about, like the Great Mouse detective antagonists, the woman, the evils, and the rescuers. I want to say, the lad in the red dress. So they're like it wasn't just uh sis gender and queer men. It was like just year as outliers of like the heroo normative path that the character

the heroes would take right right, right right. The first person that I ever saw make this um observation and then like do stand up about it was shout out. James Adomian has the funniest run riff on this, Like he he goes for like so long. I'm like how Ursula is like that old Dike behind the bar that's like, yeah, we're closed, but you can have another drink, you know

what I mean. Like she's just so that woman that's like, well that's like ripped from an it's also like a weird like even like her body is different than other people's, like she's overtly sexual born. Yeah, but she's also masculine.

I mean, it's it's amazing, but Pat Carroll doing um just the first time you see Ursla as she goes um, oh no, no, the second time you see Ursla like and the girls in love with the Prince and the like in the in the lower register and daddy love that so gay and like they're even like from a lighting standpoint they play with like oh yeah close and

Jessam two as like too gay attendants. And I mean, I'm gonna tell you right now, any regional production I've ever seen of the Little More May minus the Heales, I ain't seen a stray Flosam and Jessum yet. Hello. That's why we were campaigning were it was? It was it was it was Hollywood news. We were coming campaign them to be in the movie. It was Hollywood news. It was all the trades. Do you guys should watch him Howard the documentary on Howard Ashman. It's good. They

kind of erased a lot of them. They don't erase the gay step, but they sort of like they kind of make it seem like he never politicized his work, he never made his work personal. But it's like that's

not true, Like, don't like sideline the gay thing. I mean, it's it's the way that like in Bohemian Rhapsody did it they kind of like, uh, kind of put the thing on the margin that he's gay, like completely, so get get hippy from like looking at a male fan and then yeah, he saw one man in a leather and then all of a sudden his life was over. Um but anyway, anyway, um wow, this wonderful episode. What a wonderful episode. Wonderful. Happy to be here. You to

make my day. You make me so happy. Trailblazers. People, I don't know if you guys know this, but people in in whatever comedy high school where and people like like, how do we how do we like pull off a senior prank? Like they pull it off one like it's like a very senior prank. People are very aware of your legacy and your continued support of queer comedians and

queer people who are standing up adjacent. I have like a weird I'm such a bad queer person sometimes because I'm always like, oh yeah, I need to make sure that I'm like out in my family out, So I'm always like, okay, well this person is so good, So like sometimes I try to do that, but I have to give you guys those flowers. But you guys are so good. So I'm so happy that makes that makes me so happy to hear you say that. Um, we

are the biggest fans. Everyone should be listening to the rear View two because those are a bunch of good Judy's and we love the show. And I just love the pacing of the show. I think it's such a fun, great idea and it's just it's great. And so if you like, if you like me, you can buy my album. I had album come out in April, and it will say the name it's Jay Jordan y'all album. Yes, and

it it topped, It topped, It topped the charts. Yeah, it was iTunes number one comedy for a few, a few, for a little bit for not out with like a couple of days. I knew that album was a top yeah, but that wasn't always the top. That album can be whatever you wanted to be, provided you good vibe. And on that note, and on that note, we and every episode of Lost Caljury it does with the song l a proof too much for too much for the man. So he's coming, man, he say he's going said, he's

going back to Fine, going back to Fine. You know what, if you want to hear this, go listen. So Glady's night, Bye bye,