"The Brown Recluse" (w/ Mo Fry Pasic)

but I had the most delicious brunch. And I want to put this place on the map because our guests today and the two of us and a friend of the show, one would even say best friend of the show, Suity Greene. We have a brunch spot. Well, it's it's a franchise. It's a little chain all over the city. Imagine referring to this full chain as like our private brunch spot. Popular restaurant in New York. Stay Sweet, We love going there. We love going to Sweet Chick. There's

a location in Milliamsburg. There's a location and Laurie's side in Park Slow and Matt just unbuttoned his shirt for it. Oh my god, I popped a button. I thought today we had hot waiters, we had very sexy staff. We had sexy staff. And then one of the best boys recognized our own boat. Oh it was lovely, Like I said, you are very funny, it's very sweet. Um god, I just I love. I love some good looking people serving me food. Yeah, that's the thing. And if you look bad,

I'm sorry, you can't. I don't care. Don't touch my food if you look bad. If you look bad, honey, honey, get your digits away from my chicken. This is all a joke. It is it is no, no, no, it's a joke. It's a joke. You can feed me if you look like what. I don't care what you look like. Oh if you like what, I can look like what you can look like? What? And I'll still take it.

I would eat any food off our guests, really any food, because you know what, it would be clean, clean, it would smell good, it would smell good, and I know that it would be like sourced from the finest places. It would just you would just yeah. It's like you know how, um, you go to uh, you go to a clothing store and you're just like God, I can feel the artistry that went into this mass produced sweater.

Um not that. I just think our our guest is putting putting care into everything that she puts out there. And can I tell you something that I realized the other day, Me and our guests have made out? What we have made out? What are you talking about? And I, oh my god, we made out on the set a snapchat thing. We know it was a pilot presentation. Oh and we played two detectives who the tension was so thick in the scene and we made out over a dead body. We have to talk about you playing straight?

I love this. Well. You don't think I'm capable, No, I think you're so. I truly seeing I have conversations where like Matt is so lucky because he can convincingly play straight. You're saying I have yet another privilege, which is absolutely you can pass. And that is gorgeous. And it's so funny to think of me as someone who

can pass, because I find my but you can. But you you are very good at You have the ability to gracefully code switch and go back to Long Island and be like fucking brother has gone and to talk to let's say, and we love Ken, you know, oh yeah, totally no, but I don't talk to him like this, but you kid like myself, you could talk to Ken like the way you were just talking. Well, if I were to talk to him like this right now, like

he'd be like, truly, what the hell is going on? Yes, even this is you're even doing like you're performing it too much. You could just split the difference in like be like, oh you passed as just just no one would clock that anything happening unusually because now you're just doing like masks drag, you're doing like zac Efron's us anything questions like, well, you know, fully, I don't think that's what I'm going but whatever, dude, anyway, if you

love zac Efron, I see great showman. I would never ordinarily see that, but my girlfriendly wanted to go away, so we definitely had a good time. It was not good, and I like you you can sing or whatever, but I still like, I still like him. And when we were talking about our guests and it became this just sorry to call up the narrative. I know that straight guys like you shouldn't be doing that, and you might

as well be. You might as well be because you can pass and that's a privilege and that and you try to pass right now? Now, why because you're already white? Why not be straight? All right? If if for people listening, one of the recurring narratives that's happening right now a must culture stuff is that Matt Bowen's white. Is that man is accusing me of being I'm not accusing you. I'm revealing that you are. He's vituperatively accused of being white?

What white? Um? A white ty? Yeah? Yeah, just that's white. It's an abbreviation for white. Anyway, this isn't about you. You've really co opted that. Oh my dad and I co op the narrative as a white person. Our guest is stunning, stunning, wonderful comedian actress. I think, actually, can I say, I think the best actress of all the

comedians absolutely absolutely stage screen the whole fucking deal. Passion Platt, Passigan Platt, my favorite sketch comedy Start from Them, A new star of Jo's pub Um and the Ben the public, the public and Ben Brantley gave him, gave gave him, gave her a standout review. And if Ben Brantley looks likes you, then that's everything. It's actually rule of culture number eleven. If Ben Brentley likes you, then that's everything. Hanging up, honey, hang it up, frame it and um.

She will have just finished a lovely, lovely running in Munich, in Munich for the Radical Youth Festival. Yes, honey, and we love her so much. Well, you can follow the person at mo pass and that's at m E A U x P A S and they are always entertaining to play on faux pa mo pa. There you go, so please welcome to your's. Our guest Mo Fry passes me here. Well, thank you, because so narrated you guys. Okay, well,

a couple of things you're dress. First of all, the only thing they'll be eating off my body is from per se O, famously good restaurant in Lincoln Center. Girl, I don't know. I just heard of it. People just know about person. I don't even know what it's a reference for me, is not an experience, and that's why not there yet. Reference not an experience. Yeah. And second, vituperatiously tuperative. Oh my god, you said that, and I like, like my tummy dropped us like a power, you know,

like just like like aggressive, like toxic noxious. I love when you say that's what that means. The tuperative means aggressive and toxic. Vituperative just means like just with like bile, just like you're white, Like that's what you're doing. I have atuperatively white. Yes, it's really good. When you say a word, I like, look it up and I'm like, I'm going to use that. Yeah, I don't, and then I stop using my own words and their words that I invent of course. Yeah, um, this has been a

very long time coming for you to be. Yes, I'm so happy to see you two doing your things to you in real life because you are famously my sisters have been for a lifetime. Were we and we are we are part of the Upstate five. I love the like like the occasional slight reference like well when we went experience and of course the most one of them, one of the most iconic stories of the past year for me, it was when we were sitting under the tree on acid. It was the only sober one there said, Okay,

so here's what's happening. The spider right there is a brown recluse. My name is slander. Okay, here's a thing yourself. Well, okay, you know what. Okay, So, first of all, they are not indigenous to upstate New York. However, they are there there. I believe you that they're there. They are a poison You would claim that they are a very poisonous spider. And here's what I would claim. I'm not going to hold myself to the identification of a brown recluse, but

I will say that that fucking spider. It was fucking eight feet tall. It was very so big, and like it was so scary, and it was like underneath and it was just like ready to like we were all like you looked like um in like um Blue was the warmest calling, you know when she's like laying down like in boyhood and like laying on the grass and all of you looks like so like with the earth. And I didn't want that moment to be like all of a sudden like and he was like and then

we all die. I didn't want that. But you calmly saved our lives in that That was really calm. Yeah, that was very calm of you. And I am truly I think the universe every day for how universe for how wonderful you were doing that whole experience and how you guided it recorded us. That's really nice. That's butter was amongst the largest things I've ever seen, the largest. It was very it was it was a good girl, what are you only an insect person? Here's my thing Wisconsin.

I grew up. I worked on farms, which is crazy, um and it's like I'm so pretty. People don't know it. And so I would like like I was like a kid that was like the kid that would like be muddy and You're like why, And I was like I just played like I would catch snakes in the backyard. And it's like so weird because I to Madison, but my all my relatives lived up north where you could just get lost in the wood acres forever. It was the best. But you were you a kid that often

got stung by ship or bitten by things. If I was, it didn't affect me, like I definitely have had quite a few b and like bites in my life. But it would be the kind of situation where it's like my name, my full name, insider secret is my full name is industry for you? People know that well, they are technically the upside five five secret. I haven't seen

that the way the secret never mind. I was referring to the act where joking players Gypsy roes and she's like with Patrici Arquette and it's like a right, right, right yes vehicle. But it's called the act vehicle because I'm very in it's basically Gypsy but with a kid who so, no, it's Gypsy. It's the Gypsy Road story. It's literally it is. And then like Joey King is like, mom, it must go to the movies today, and You're like, whoa damn she her was? Her voice is so low

in person, I'm like, come on, voice over work. Wow, I didn't know that. Okay, Wow, I got I'm a fan. I will yeah, I will say, um, I don't keep a thought going straight, So I don't remember what we're talking about before we talking about being bitten and sucked on by insects. Oh yeah, Like it would be like Morgan, what's that? And I would like have a huge rash. I'm like, I don't know, I'm just gonna play. Well, So you were an outside girl because I rode horses.

I like we had like sheep and we didn't like not in like our house, but we'd like staying like babysit our friends sheep and like it was wow cool. I was an outside kid. I was not an outside kid. You not. I read and I played video games. I emotionally identify as an indoor kid, but in reality you were. Okay, you were an outside kid's son and a kid moon Oh I love that. Yeah, Okay, here's the thing. Famously famously drags astrology. But okay, we talked about this with astrology.

Thing tenderly creeps towards it. You are Now I'm starting to creep towards it in a fun way. I'm not fully with with what with affection and not total rejection. I used to just reject it completely, and now I'm just like, oh, this is fun, this is fun. It's fun to project these certain things onto what this could mean and what what my you know, what my? What are they called? Your? My transits are and are a

lot to learn. Well. Ruby said that it's very scorpio to be rejecting astrology and why because I've heard this from so many people that I don't what what what

is it? Answer? Um, I would say Scorpios what they are is they're they're very protective of themselves and also they're very um they want to learn experientially, so like they don't immediately trust you on your word, right, So if you tell them something about themselves, so like sure, I'm sure you think that, and it's like they won't believe that until they've experienced proof for themselves, because it is very mysterious, closed off solo sort of experience intensity.

So if someone's telling you like that's so Scarpia, or you're like, well, don't put me in a box and you don't know me, so, like it's that short of energy, but you never combat that way. That's internal because Scarpios aren't about to waste their time explaining that to someone I see, you know what that really reads, not going to waste their time on complex they think or beneath them very much. Whereas whereas you and I trepetously saying that, whereas you and I are Pisces and that makes us

sort of like v emotion. You know, what I'll say is that the manifestation of a Pisces is very dependent on their moon and rising because Pisces are the twelfth sign, so they technically embody all the signs. So it's like the oldest sign Areas is the first of the youngest there hoth hut it, whereas like Pisces is twelve or more versatil and um. So the idea of this, Pisces takes on identities really well and can move through other

people's emotions and can pass. And so would you say that Pisces are often empathetic, Well, yeah, it's one of their training. It's one of the things. It's sometimes debilitating. I will say that, especially for you, who is a rising cancer Pisces moon, is it, I'm all water water water water water you cancer Moon, Pisces, Yes, I am um. And so for you, it is also very hard for you to look at something objectively because you are deep in the emotions of it. So factually and objectively looking

at something you're like. But that's but doesn't matter what the facts are. I feel this way. I don't like Okay, I don't know my words, but I know my heart you know, Oh my god, I know it's tying it back to well coming to me now is godh wow. There are things I never do it again. All it seems right. That is a very pisy song. Sure, and it's because it's so emotional and big. Wouldn't you agree? I would agree. Yeah, that song paints with a very

emotional brush. It's it's like, you know what it is, it's a brush that you painted before, then you didn't clean. Then it got hard and you're like it's okay, and then you like try to soften it again and then oh my god, that is psychic. Psychic. No, what are your what are your rising in? Because you are the astrology queen. I mean, here's my thing. The fun thing about this is like I never like sought out astrology. I just like it. Just like it. It's just me.

And over the years I've gotten a lot of info. Um, I am a Libra moon, like other podcast going, I am a Libra moon and I am a cancer rising. So internally, which is the moon? Wait? I lied, stupid, stupid, big you lied twice. You said you are a geminal Oh scary, and then you were like I got my moon and risings fucked up? Psychotic aboutely, we're rising okay? Well fashion score and then Gemini moon. You are Gemini moons, which is very Gemini moon of me to lie, I

guess okay, so sorry I cut you off. Okay, so that's just my chart. But you you talking about you because because we're on you. But your moon's in the ninth house, which I'll say is like sagittarian. So you're very like teacher um, you know, learning, adventure, expansive, spiritual like as far as your moon and how you process emotions. Yes, okay, most looking at my chart right now. And co Star you just had your chart like ready to go. It's on the ends on the app. Okay, I need to

get this app? Is it? This is the thing mough. I will say this, I probably like a lot of the listeners um with astrology, and I know you because I was first. I was first to come around to this, and now Bowen has come around to it, and Sudie, I don't think we'll ever come around. She'll she'll have her moments. She'll have her moment shell she has. She and I wrote a whole sketch about astrology. When I got to watch it, you want to watch it in my heart it got cut for time, but it's great

that it felt important to me. But we were very rejective with it. I love because it was just it was it was Don Cheatle and it was so good. He was like so on board and he was just like your Mars much being Sagittarius, and I was like, you're so happy he was. He was truly the best and I love him. And there wasn't it was an astrology sketch future. It was so it was it wasn't

explained for the listeners because they'll never know. It takes place in a veterinary office and Cecilian Don and Heidi play the receptionist and they're all like and they're like calling up these these dogs and these cats and these lizards with their owners, and they're like, look at peep the chart. Oh that's a that is a Gemini, like wanna get her out of here? Like that kind of animals and there live animals and the animals um Pete had to hold a giant lizard and he was very scared.

And when I had and I talked to Pete down, he was scared to hold the lizard. I get that. I don't trust almost nearly any animals, nearly animals. Dogs. I really enjoyed domestic dogs because you know their power and you respect that. I would say, I know their power to be unpredictable. There is a dog in the writer's room at the other two whose name is Gus.

It's Kristen kristin bubbles dog. Gus is important to me, and that dog and I have a deep connection, and I posted about the dog frequently, and the gusts of it all has really kind of taken over my life. In fact, I feel a connection to him so much so that when I walk into the room often the dog will run up to me very excited to see me, and it doesn't do that with everyone else. That's a powerful moment. That's always my dream, is like I want

people's dogs to like like me better than them. I'm like, oh gosh, so sorry, Like like, I don't want people like something I wouldn't hate if a kid like cried if it was taken away from me, you know, but I don't want to hold it too long, right right right? You came home with me for Thanksgiving, so Chelsea's end

in was Moyes and you were ahead. You were a huge In fact, when I told them today, I spoke with them this morning and they said happy Easter, because today is used to recording on Easter, and they wanted to wish you happy Easter, and they said that it wasn't it didn't feel right having a holiday without you. Let me tell you experiencing Thanksgiving, Rod it was. It was home, really nice, good time. It had like, you know, the feeling of home like it was that it was

so wonderful. It was really nice. Oh my gosh, but just they couldn't stop talking all of it. It was the best. We had a really good time and also had a really great connection with Bailey, my dog. And Bailey got a jacket that day that was huge. Billy Um wears a stress coats because Bailey is a very stressed out gets very stressed out and Billy I love Bailey though. Bailey is one of the top dogs. Bailey

is so crazy. I love your family on Instagram. They are they you know, they never did Facebook, but they like and stuff and their stars and their stars and Instant. My dad always has a amazing post. I mean, it's a great post. There's a really good picture of my mom holding Bailey with her wind in her hair that my dad and I'm like, they can do instant what they can do instant, they know how to do it because it's a visual medium. My dad is like, uh,

just like a mathematician genius and like a surgeon. Like he embodies that, but he's very dry in his humor. And his entire instagram is pictures of equational days, which is when the date makes an equation. Oh my god, so funny. It's the most just like, speak up. He's Virgo virga rizing, which is anyone saying is it's a very Virgo thing, um, but him and Beyonce A. Brandon, I mean truly just to have like a methodical, cleaned up like specific and stuff that's like this is my identity.

It's like awesome, I love it. It's the best. Now let's get back to this. Okay. So I'm sorry. You said you are your libra cancer rising. So your moon is how you like. I don't know if Ruby went over this with you, but process emotions, it's internal. So what they say when you feel most yourself, like when you're alone, it's your moon sign that you feel like, so when someone's coming at you with like your scarbio, it must be so mysterious and water, you're like, actually,

not that emotional. And then people are like, no, you're aligned to yourself. You're like no, m a Gemini moon like I actually I take if your feelings don't make sense, I don't like them, you know, like it's just like that sort of thing. And so I think there is a lot of value in investing in your moon and raising. Is there a sign that I, as a Pisces and you as a Pisces need to watch out for? Um, Here's what I'll saying. I don't think, and I think

that there is an answer. By the way you're you're answering so far, I think you're going to be scared to say, but I think that there is a sign being a Scenarios, Mars and Gemini, I'm scared to say nothing. So so what I'll say is, I personally don't like in a chart any concentration of one sign which is also called a stallium, which is just like to me, and I need someone who has more balance and flex

stability ak mutable signs or cardinal signs. I'm like, if someone has a ton of fixed just not for me, I love that about them, and that's a trap. What does that mean? A ton of fixed like fixed signs are like I believe they're like like aquarious Leo and one other similar to the ideas of like you m more mutable, you're more fixed, like you know, you know,

you're more steadfast, you're you are who you are. Yeah, yeah, mutable, you're more just like sure, both things could be true, and um cardinal is like um more just like I don't know. I like cardinal their libra areas in cancer and they're just more I don't know to me there, it's more like the adult perspective of everything. It's like, well, both could be true, but I'm going to choose this, and scorpio is fixed. Yes, Okay, I have a lot of one sign in my chart which makes me feel

like you feel. I'm afraid of you. You fear me, fear me and they I fear your power, and I fear how wonderful and larger you're going to be, because bitch, ye to be a huge girlfriend. Do you think that I shouldn't need to marry a virgo? Okay, here's us. I've been told you've been repeating it, but that's because I'm desperate to find someone. And on what's your signs? Shout out to what's your sign? Yeah, and they said

I'll marry a virgo? What's what say you? What say me is that you know, not everybody is their emotional heightened version of their signs. There are low and evolved, like you know, there's two aspects. So what I'll say is there you're you can marry someone with a virgo fucking Mars and Venus. They don't have to be a virgo son, you know what I'm saying. I know, not as long as they have a Virgo in the chart. But so what you're saying is I'm taking it to

you seriously. I think your your attachment to needing an answer is blocking blocking it from coming in. Oh my god, there it is. My attachment to needing an answer is blocking it from coming in. That makes a lot of sense to me. Nice, And this is a classic thing in the therapy. This is a classic thing in therapy that my therapist is like, there's you. You are obsessed with thinking about things in terms of the right way and wrong thing to handle something, and you should stop

doing that. There's this Egyptian goddess of called Boss. It's like the goddess of cats, which is also the goddess of fairness, and the idea of fairness to her is not right or wrong, but a favorable outcome for all. And so it's about really releasing what you believe justices and separating the difference between fairness and justice. Oh wow,

that's gorgeous. It's hard. It's a hard lesson to learn in life because we get really ingrained and we hold these certain you know, injustices as offenses to our identity instead of realizing that there is just like one step outside the situation. I want to talk about this mo Tammy, this thing called bottom beliefs that I just really want to quickly talk about before we before we ask the question. No, I don't even know what bottom beliefs is. So this

is this, explain it to me like an idiot. Okay, this is I'm I'm gonna do the dumb idiot explanation, and then Mom is going to actually is going to film the film bottom Beliefs. Bottom beliefs. You name a belief that you have about something, usually and it's helpful if it's a destructive belief or if it's the belief that's like sort of holding you back in some way.

Like I'll say, like, um, I believe that the gate like this is something that I've gotten over recently that I've I've made progress on I believe that the Gate community is racist towards Asians. And then and then you get to the body, you just basically keep bottoming out and nesting that belief. Well why do you think that because I think, um that Asians are like Asian males are sort of emasculated in Western culture. Well why do you believe that? Because I believe that, Um uh, you know,

we value European standards of beauty. Well why do you believe that? Because and then you just keep basically digging to the bottom of until you can't explain it away anymore. Um, that's kind of a crazy example. But like, I what's

the value in this. It's just to get to the root of why you think, you like, what this belief is, and then you just realize that, like, and this is something I've told you is that, and I've talked about probably on some other episodes, is that, like any destructive belief is just a string of words, and language is just a way to contain a concept that otherwise would

not even exist mental in our thought, in our thoughts. Basically, we wouldn't think about um, you know, let's say I wouldn't think about Ah being gay, if being if if the word gay didn't exist to contain that whole experience. So like that's like like the only the only real thing is numbers. That and that that and so you have said this up State five, the only real thing is numbers. And both times they've tripped on acid, that's

been the thing. The only real thing is numbers, Henry, Henry Caperskie, that's the same thing he says, the only real thing is numbers. Er. I had a special moment where he was talking about like prime and then we're like, you're in your prime when you're you're winning with your in alignment, you're in your prime. You're in your prime. And prime numbers only whole within itself. And that's and

that's the whole meaning of it. Um. And so anyway, and you're and you're basically doing that with bottom beliefs. Is you're basically dividing a thought, a belief into itself until you cannot reduce it to to whatever its whole is. I mean, Bone did amazing job describing I don't know you really did. Um. The idea is, you know, especially if you have trauma, and I believe all of us in the queer community have trauma, even if you don't want to identifies, you know, having done that, this is

like you're already a deficit. But and I don't mean that in a you know, yeah, I got it. So what I'll say is what happens then is a lot

of beliefs come from one bottom belief. So it's like, say your belief, your bottom belief is I'm unworthy of love, right, But you might not realize that that's the bottom belief because there's all these other things floating around if just guys don't like me, or I'm too much, I'm annoying, or I'm embarrassing, or I talked too much, and all these little chatters, right are little like stems off this

one bottom fucking belief. So you can deal with the fact that you're an embarrassment or whatever it's because you're not right even though that thought bubbles up, but you're still not addressing the root problem at the bottom. So what happens is a new one grows and so you can like try and like get through it, but you don't.

So this really helped me when I was processing a lot of trauma, because I would get really anxious and really embarrassed about something, and you know, I'd wake up in the morning I'm like, oh my god, I was the worst personal I would find new friends. I'm so embarrassing. I'm the worst personal life. It's like, okay, so it's you know what, where, when? Why? Or what's the worst thing? What happened about that? So it'd be like, oh, well, I'm the worst personal life. Okay, what's the worst part

about that? Well, um, nobody likes me because I'm the worst? Okay, Well why are you the worst? Because um, I'm really I talked too much? Okay, Well what's the worst part about talking too much? That I could annoy someone? Okay, well what's the worst part about annoying someone? Um, then then they won't love me? Well, why wouldn't they love you? Because I'm unlovable? Whoa? And then you get to this bottom believe of like ship And then when I get

to the bottom, what I like to do? And a lot of times if you have blocked memories, it doesn't work. But you just have to sit with that feeling of just like, first of all, I feel it in my body. I'm like, okay, is that my tummy? Is that my heart, like where is that? And then I say, do I remember where this started? And you might not. It might go to some weird, random like high school memory where

like someone rejected you. But like if that's what manifests in your mind, then then you like you sit with that and then you just truly like work through that moment. Maybe you cry, maybe a punch a pillow, but you release that bottom belief this has helped you immensely, Oh

my gosh. And it's something simple, and I'm sure there's so many ways in psychology and therapy that it manifests right for people to do this, and there's anyways, but for me, for you, yeah, I've really found that, like finding a core source of something has cut it off.

It's it's weeding, you know, you have to get Yes, I had like a weird um date the other night, and then the day after, I woke up an hour before I usually it, and my chest was like I felt so anxious, and I swear to God, I did not know why, like it didn't go the way I

wanted it to. And I woke up in the morning and I, yeah, it's just like the next day, I was like, I feel horrible and I literally could not answer the question why, and so that is something I will use from that one because I had never heard of this, Like I think conceptually I knew what this was, but that sounds like it really helped. And bitch, a concept needs a fucking it's the linguistic thing. If you

need the word before you to understand the concept. It's like I feel anxious, Like why do you think you feel anxious? Because I had a date last night that didn't go well? Okay, well what about it didn't go well? We didn't have sex? Why did Why did you not have sex? Because it didn't feel like there was chemistry there? Are you describing? Where are you putting value on the sex? Yeah? Yeah,

that's another interesting question. I guess that that's something. That's another question I have is it's like, how do you know when you're get taking it off track? The bottom beliefs thing? What's the question you're supposed to ask every single time? What's the worst thing about that? I mean

that helps me. What I'd say is, first of all, especially for you, if you're like already weeding through a lot, I like to feel it in my body, right, so then I don't net in the very policy, but you don't might not have the words right, so you're like, okay, my tell me her. It's like, you know, what is that feeling down there? What is that base sacred sort of feeling? And it's just like, you know, what do I associate with that gut? I trust? Okay, well I

don't trust. Why didn't I trust? You know you can do that. But when you get to a bottom, it's pretty simple, is what I'd say. You know what, I just really discovered something about myself even just saying that,

which is that I make a lot of things about sex. Yeah, so like maybe like my value is sex and that might be your bottom belief and that's something that's important for you to work through, and recognizing it is already helping it, you know, move like like I don't know I'm talking to me about this, Like being like in Los Angeles now in a new city, you're meeting a whole bunch of new gay men or people like like

that you could have relationships with. And something I'm finding is a block is like I can't get over this thing of like I like sometimes the first thing I think when I look at someone is like, am I attracted them. Are they attracted to me? Like that is like something that like I don't know, it's like, for some reason, a preoccupying thing. Do you guys have that? Um? Yeah, although yeah, but you feel that it's different. Well, it's

it's just different. Like if I were to move to l A, I I would meet those people and I would imagine that they just the interest wouldn't be I wouldn't have anything to work off and just be like, Okay, well most of these people probably would not want to I think everyone's is, you know, whatever your wound is, like mine would be. If I met all these people, I would assume all of them were to me, and I would instantly reject them because I don't like that energy.

So like everyone is sort of filtering through the lens of their trauma, you know. So that's for you and for me, it's just I would meet these people and be like, you're probably not attracted to me, And I think my thing is when I meet these people, I think, well, well, I don't know, Like it's it's when you grow up and everyone's like, okay, this is maybe gonna be a lot. But like when you grow up and you're told like

you're so handsome. You're so handsome, like like this is something that you're given since you're a little kid, and you're told to ascribe value to that and please understand, I know this is like a very privileged thing to say.

But then when you get into a community that's so obviously prizes like the only the top physical specimens, and you've been cultured to believe that your attractiveness is one of the best things about you and like one of the most important things about you that could make you feel worthless. And I think that's why like a lot of people who you would think wouldn't necessarily be self conscious, like at parties like that warehouse party went to in l A, like a lot I think everyone there is

like freaking out. And we would all tell you if we were all honest and telling each other, like I'm freaking out? Are you freaking out? You look at people and be like you're freaking out? What do you mean? But it's like you know, and so I think, like something I'm literally discovered and like in this and like I think I knew this is just I put a lot of importance on like my sexual capital in certain situations because I feel like it's a way in I

don't know, Hetty not petty. Well, you think you have to reprogram a lot of ship like I have to. Well, I think, yes, I think you need things. I mean therapy right, like we do. There's value and breathwork, there's value in you know, exercise, like there is things that we do have to do to release these things that we shouldn't have been drilled with. But you know, like it is a big dog time. You know, you're an adult, it's time to grab that and be like you know what, bitch,

I don't feel good. This doesn't make me feel good. Like I left that party and like I think, I think. I texted like you and Dave and I was like is it insane that I just left this place? Like why I? And then someone's like no, when you figure out something is not for you, that's it, like you can take yourself out of a situation. I think I was telling you, well, I was telling you. I was talking to you from a place of like, yeah, I've

known this to be I think you have. And it's just like as I walk into that space and I'm already like okay, like this isn't for me. I'm not gonna really be like, this is not a place where I'm going to stand out in any positive way. So I'll just like let that go and just like buy a fucking huge slice of watermelon and take that into the warehouse and eat watermelon while while the lights are strubing,

and I had a great time. But it's also but yeah, I mean, I but that beliefs, but that is like but that that like the way that you sort of reckon with that situation is card and it's and it's and it's tough, and do you, like, do you understand what I'm saying? I totally get what you're saying. I

get what are you kidding? It is a huge life lesson to realize that, like, you don't have to be putting yourself in these situations where you feel judged or in inadequate or you know, not worthy, right, and you're not anything less for not being in those situations. It's an interest to concept this. I mean, you know what I say, I think, um, all of the people in our lives and like all the people listening like all

really want a lot for themselves in their lives. But what that means is really facing hard things about yourself head on so you can move through them and be the thing you want to be. Yes, or they're just they're just has to be this. And I'm not saying that, like some people don't have this, but there has to be this recursive thing in you, this mechanism that tells you I should address this and change, because then they're they're just because well, there are some people who don't

have that, who do not want to change. And that's it. And I literally told you in a bit you way recently. I was like, well, you should examine this thing about you. And but that's just me, that's just me saying like, you know, but it was about this. It was literally about it. It It was do you know about the former congressman Aaron Shock. So he was like he was in Illinois. He's in Illinois, and he was very anti gay Republican.

But rumors started right so young and like uh conventionally attractive, in fact muscular and was even on the cover of like some like men's fitness magazines like to the to that extent, and he was like kind of like a star Republican because he was like young and like hot and like still held their beliefs got cat accepting bribes and he had to leave in disgrace, decorated his office inspired by down and they were starts about him being gay.

So that has been confirmed. Like in the past few months, he's just been very out in West Hollywood, like around and now he's not in Congress anymore. He's just doing whatever, and like he is very much like a figure like on the scene. And he was at Coachella, and pictures of him making out with guys and like doing whatever and like very much doing the whole Coachella thing came out, and so all of a sudden there was all this

talk about him again. Meanwhile, he had been like on the scene in West Hollywood for months, but the Coachella pictures really made it like a viral talking point on Twitter. And but wait, has this person talked back their rhetoric from because that's like so that's why people got mad. They were like they were like normally, like all these gay media outlets were like normally we would never right,

Like that is a very personal thing. But for someone who has destructively acted against the queer community, I mean, like we have no we have no problem, like just shining a line on this, Yeah, because there's a difference between you know, you know, putting out your internalized misogyny outwardly like that happens. That's unfortunate, it's sad. It's a

cycle of abuse. It's a cycle of that like to use to gain power and then to use that power against lesser powerfully people and then to be like basically I'm going to say for a certain section, for an important section of the queer community to be accepted and embraced. That's the absolutely I mean. And that's the thing is it's like if he didn't look the way he looked, there wouldn't even get discussion, Like Larry Craig. Larry Craig happened.

Everyone was like by everyone yep. And because here was no place for him in the gay knew there's a there's a place for Aaron Shock in the game. And that is something I think that that that's I'm almost I'm happy that it's a conversation because I think it's something that the gay community truly needs to discuss. Is why we let people like this get away with whatever

they want. Um. But what happened was I was seeing it go viral on Twitter, and I almost even tweeted like, uh, why don't we ignore this person actually instead of retweeting this picture, Like I was like getting annoyed that we were retweeting it so much. I'm like, okay, like we're this,

We're still circulating like this photo this person. And then I realized I actually had been following him on Instagram, like unbeknownst to me, and somebody took a screenshot of the fact that I was following him and posted on and Bowen texted me and he was like, are you following Aaron Shock on Instagram? And I was like no, And then I realized I was, and I was like, oh my god, I am but I didn't realize and

I'm I followed him immediately, etcetera. And he was like I took a moment to be disappointed in my friends, and I was just like, how do I I was like, what do I? What do I say them? Like the person I care most about in this whole world? I was like, I was like, and it came off in the way that it comes off when I say things sometimes. It was just a little mean and snarky and whatever.

I was just like, well, maybe you examine it, which I mean is you know what I mean, we even zoom out, like here's what I'll say, is this the gay community is facing this intersectionally which has been you know, like you know, black girls don't get their photo when their kidnapsticking, and then they have women who are not pretty enough when they're assaulted that they don't get coverage. And it is like this huge problem where it is like based in the beauty values of like young straight

white ciss women. And then I feel like that's permeating out and these it's applying, it's you know, reactingting in all these different ways, and we all I don't know, it's just I'm like, let's all figure out together. I think. I think it's like for our like I wish it like I don't wish it could, but like for our

community that it presents an interesting topic of conversation. It just it's honestly going to come down to whether the people that need to change or need to make changes are gonna want to talk about this, Like are they actually gonna is my favorite metaphor of analogy seminarly Um Okay, So this is what I believe with all like and I believe we're doing this, and we've been doing this, but like with when it comes to activism, okay, So after I think it was like on all the Grammys, Um,

Katy Perry was having a party at one Oak okay, okay, and she was playing horrible music and it was not good music. Bitch is fucking jail. Oh my god. And so I think I've told you this more that, and so Dalo rises to all of her friends, right, music bad, all our friends. You know, it's like the hob knob situation, like you want to stay there, you want to see and be seen. And so Jilo is like, I'm not having fun. Jula doesn't say everyone, let's go. Jaylor doesn't

say I'm done, let's shut this party down. Jaila just leaves and guess what that confidence that's standing in that and everybody fucking followed j Lo. It's okay. I mentioned this on the Culture. It's that d agent thing. M h, this is okay. Can I can I tell you this is a similar morning. There's this book that I right now. It's very I'm recommending it to everyone. I'm telling everyone

it's very new age language. But it's the writer, Martha Beck is very self aware, and she's very she's got solid jokes, solid has she she can she can fit into any room solids. But she um, she has this d D A agent friend who instead of kicking down doors and a drug rate and holding up a gun,

we'll just find a way to sneak. We'll find a way to enter the space and just walk in and just calmly sit down in front of the people, the people in there, and he'll just be like and ms her this and mats her this, and and then the people are just like confused, but not fully. They're startled, but not like alarmed because normally, like they'd run away if it was like gun was being held to their

you know, like pointing in the direction. But they're just like startled and they're confused, like who is this person? And then after like a moment, this agent just is like, come with me, and everyone's like, okay, the power that and then and then he arrests the international implications that has the clear all of it. So you know what, I'm sure there's a great deal of privilege to this, you know, like um method I'm saying, but like, um, yeah,

that rules. But to be able to get to the place where I'm like, you know what I'm going and I don't care what anyone else does or says. That is tough, you know what I mean. Like to be the jail in that situation is like literally like say it's the Oscars, you know what I mean. So for example, like you know, don't love giving them Super a lot of credit, but like Will and Jada Boycott and the Oscars that year, they were like the first ones to kind of say we're not going that's the Oscars, you

know what I mean. Like and to be able to say, you know what, actually I'm going to reject this thing that that we've all been cultured to hold up higher than anything else in art film industry, It's like that is that takes a lot of balls, because you're probably saying when you do hashtag boycott Oscars or whatever, you're probably never getting nominated for an Oscar, you know what

I mean. Like it's like now with the w g A and like you know, all the drama that's happening with that, it's like, you know, it's it's a lot to say, like I'm going to fire my agent, but you do it because like that's what's right and and you stay with your union or whatever. But it's hard to often do the right thing in the face of society being like, well, it's this way, you know what I mean, like tells all this time, I guess all this time. And the way that what society is thing

is this way is you get abs. Yeah, well you can get away with anything. Um. And it is psycho it's psycho psychotic, and it must change. And we all have to lose our abs. Yes, if you have all the first loser. If you have abs, you're fascist. It's time to eat bread. It's time to eat bread. And by eat bread, I mean ask the questions. Yes, with the questions we asked everyone know you know, won't do here for me? Okay, um, okay, here's my thing. You

I'm a fucking culture hound. So like multiple answers, I could have a million, Um, I decided to narrow my focus to one specific today. And you know what, if it doesn't ring true to you, I have others. Um now and then now and then the movie now and then then we not with um Christina ricci Um as Roberta with Rosie Donald as Roberta as well. We have to mean more. We have Hoffman. We have oh yeah, but we have Melanie Griffith. We have Dolora Birch, we have um nineties I, oh my gosh. We we have

Rita Wilson. We have the girl that played the young Christie who did not have a career after but I wish her the best. Um we have who's the other kid, um Thora Birch, Christina Ricci, Gabby Hoffman. Yeah, that's for I'm going to look it up, look up now and then here's my thing, because can you believe I've never seen this. I think you should really see. It's super dark, like, oh my gosh, it was. It was just super formative. Like Devin Sawa that was like his open was so

hot in that. And my sister and I used to play now and then. But first of all, growing up, I'd always play the boy parts and everything, and so like when we were playing Thank You Clear, and then we were playing Sailor Moon, like I'd be Darien and like we were playing now and then I'd beat Devin Sawa and like which would we just play now? In that? Which is the movie? This is amazing, this cast, you guys,

this is just crazy. This is Gabby Hoffman Demi Moore, Christina Ricci, Rosie o'donnald Um, Rita Wilson, Thora Birch, Melanie Griffith, Devin saum Willis, Chloris Leachman, Hanka Zaria, Bonnie Hanjan Ingaroffalo Wower as an unredited Vietnam but mom where he told Roberta he got a purple heart and it was this moment and oh my god, like and Roberta had lost

her mom and so they were going through trauma. And then like Sam's parents were getting divorced, and it was all about these best friends who were twelve years old in the seventies and just like like going through Like Roberta would make death jokes and they're like it will help you process. And Sam would run away when her parents were fighting. And then like Chrissy was like becoming a young woman and like teeny wanted to be a woman. It was truly like it packed so much into one

damn movie. And then they did a Sands and my sister and I would do Sands after that, like and they like contacted dear Johnny who was this ghost, Like you guys got to see it. I mean, that's what I mean. And also I I'm kind of like fascinated by Roseyeos. I don't as a concept like and who she is and what she does and like what her career has been. I forget that. Like in the early nineties, she was she was actress, she was Leo, their own

she was their own iconic. Oh yeah, I mean I just remember her talk show where she would have a her desk every day and the Oreo themed one really spoke to me. She was fucking Harriet the Spy, Queen of Nice, Queen of Nice, Queen of Nice. She was great. She like, I mean, is she is she a good actress? Yes, yes, she's like, here's my thing. She's a Jennifer Aniston. She's not going to play way outside her range. But what she does she does, well, wow, I love that. I

love that, And there's nothing wrong with that. Well, here's my thing. It's just that I think we've kind of come to expect everything out of actors now, where it's like you have to be a versatile, you have to be a Christian bale, you have to kill yourself and then come to life again and then rise and it's just like, okay, well, let's want to be good at one thing and let that'd be good and appreciate it.

I think there's nothing wrong with being a Jennifer Aniston because Jennifer Aniston knows exactly what credit and nobody gives her or money. It sucks. Jennifer is poor, essentially a litt culture number sixteen Jennifer, she needs our help. Kick was like a limmer of a moment for her. I didn't see Cake, but I heard. I heard that she fucking turned or the good girl whatever. That one was a good girl because good girl has a young hot Jake Jillen Hall, I'll come. I'm hopeful that she will

have some sort of renaissance. Yes, in Dumbling, she was, Oh, she's gonna be in this new fucking Apple TV. Have you heard about this Apple TV show with Reese Weatherspoon? Did the trailer for the Apple TV? Stuff? Looks really good? I know, And I have a weird feeling. Yeah, I feel real mixed. I'm like Minority Report, but also like I love women totally. No, I'm excited. I just had

a little missed opportunity. There was cast on a show that well, you know, we don't want to take the we don't want to take it away from the person who's playing the part, so we're not going to say what it is. That would be disrespectful. But Bowen almost was on an Apple TV show TV show, and it looks really cool. It looks really honestly, it looks very Yeah. I mean, hey, that's not yours. All the shows look

really cool. And I'm going to say three shows that look cool, and one of them is the show because I do want to talk about it, one of them is the show that Bone is referencing, and two of them are not you guys, guys. You know what looks really amazing? That show Um Dickenson, That show Dickenson, That show Dickenson looks really good. The Hailey Steinfeld show. Oh my gosh. I should have booked that should do you know?

I was I auditioned for Constance Loose part in the New j Los Dripper, and I was like, why didn't I get okay? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yah yeah, But you would have been perfect. You would have been amazing. What's about the score story where they would drug the guys and then take like a hundred and fifty dollar show? Awesome? I love that. It's really cool, But I don't know about cartib is going to be in a constance food j low fucking I'm Julia Stiles is playing the reporter,

so fun. Wait wait wait, what is the story of this movie? They would they would drive these men and

they would take theirs. So they were a strippers at scores on the West Side um of Manhattan and they like, so what would happen is these really really wealthy guys would come in and they would get them really drunk, and they will put like ecstasy, ecstasy and all sorts of different things things in their drinks, and then they would charge up their credit card like with like a hundred fifty thousand in a night, and the guys would be so embarrassed becuse they weren't supposed to be there.

That it was going for like years, and then they got a little bit over jealous and started are they now most of them got a good chunk? Is this going to be a drama or comedy? I think it's gonna be a comedy. I couldn't tell from the script because it's j LO and it's content. It's to meet carties in it. Pretty I didn't know that. Pretty Julius to me what it feels like at least from the press is it looks like it's going to be like an Ocean's eight situation where you laugh but you're more

in power. This is the thing. It's I love that there's a cultural thing that's happening with scammers where like your Elizabeth's homes, your firefests, like you're fucking what's her name? Um um Anna Delvi who just like she was the original. She's just like I just like to get well, even like Blingering Ship, Like Blingering was so ahead of its time, like fucking loves Snires. We robbed Adrean that was so

goods calling um but what was gonna say? Oh no. So it's interesting that there's this cultural thing that's happening now with like scammers being like wow, what what are

the minds of these people? But now also it's like after Oceans eight, you've got the dirty rotten scoundals genderal gender flip thing, where's an hathmanh my gosh are called the hustle the hustle cute And then like this strip of movie, I think there's just more like scamming movies maybe that are specifically female a lot anyway, Okay, but talk us through now and then let's go back Elizabeth what's her name Dickinson, Dickenson, Dickenson, Emily just Emily was

playing Emily Dickinson and they talk modern but it's set in period. And are we talking Sophia copeless situation? Are we talking good or bad? We're talking it looks good great. Jane Krokowski plays the mom why did I just say? Jenni Moroni voices into the mic, you did say that, you did say you did? Jane is so good. Jane Drokowski is an icon. I actually think her best comedic moment like and there have been so many, but I'll

never get over. In the pilot of Unbreakable Kimi Schmidt when she offers uh Fiji water to Kimmy want that is such a funny jobs, like opening a fridge and revealing that chok full of Fiji water? Do you want one? She says no, and she throws it out. That character choice good and the way she throws it out like no hesitation, just well, she doesn't want it, so I'm throwing it out. I still don't know I feel about the Native American arc. I know I'm gonna bravely say

I think like I think it's funny. I think they're very aware. I think like the people on that show, we're very aware of, yes, the ridiculously absurdity of it, and that's why exactly, and people responded the way they were expected to respond. But I mean, I think about it, I laugh that show is a cartoon. Nothing exists in the world like truly, honestly, it's it's so heightened. I just feel like with Dirty Rock and with Unbreakable, the world is so heightened you just gotta laugh. Come on,

I got kid here. That is my sense of humor, like when I read it, like like when I sit down to write, like the stuff that like from my own voice, and I feel like it's like everything might as well be a cartoon. I that I respond to that, and also just like the whole like Tina fe Robert Carlock like style of just like joke joke, even when it's like even when it's too fucking mouth, I feel like I love it. I feel like people our age have had just enough distance from thirty Rock Now where

I go. I watched an episode for the first time in like months or no, not months, like a year and a half, and I was just like holy sh it, this is like this a this like for good, like people still are trying to emulate this voice and be like so funny. See, like the legacy of it is so strong. I just feel like And also, Kimmy Schmidt

was so fucking brilliant. Did you see the episode last which the Last Year with t J with DJ finger Blast played by Derek Klana who's a friend of mine actually, And it was a whole like making them were a type documentary. It was so funny. It was so fucking funny, and truly almost none of the major characters were even in it. So Adie Bryant, fucking Adie Bryant is so funny as the John Hamm's like girlfriends. Oh my god, that's great. She's like in denial about the fact that

like he's got like more more women like girlfriends. It's just so funny. I love that truly, everything everything about Unbreakable kamis shmiant. I love that funny. I like when things don't exist on planet Earth. It's totally totally totally I mean, it's Spider Man. Too many Spider Man, what is it? Oh god, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's nothing like it. Oh my god, um, say so now? And then if they remade it, what's the cast? Oh my god, how do we do it? Oh god, I don't know actors.

I'm like, oh, the pretty girl with the boobs? And what to the plot? Because I'm like, because I'll give you, guys other culture, because I feel like I want to enjoy and celebrate something that you guys have experienced as well, either tangentially or actually, fine, you give you give some culture, and then I want to ask you about something in culture that I think you do respond to. Okay, I love this. Ready, I'll give a list all the Harry Potter books. Yeah, come on, you are you are a child,

I'm a child? All those you are? Share horror? What's his cousin? Thank you so much? Like I did? They really did. Because here's anything I have. I have lists what I wrote when I was like, gosh, I want to say six Like, I've list that has the entire cast of Clueless except for none of the men's names, just how they related to the women and my name. So it's like share dion Tye morgen Um, Ty's boyfriend,

Dion's man um like what it was? It was a shares cute half brother in parentheses Josh like and like truly that movie, Oh my god, I was thinking about the other day, like even just like from a directorial standpoint, like the iconic shots like oh, in the writer hom we were for some reason put on fancy by Iggy Azalea, and just like that it's a good music video, we should say, and um give her that credit, um, even though it wasn't probably her, But just like I thought about,

like how like the shots are so iconic, like for example, like them standing up against the fence, when the outfits iconic, like just like the costume design, the art, direction of it all, like just the direction of it all, like them with their walking talk shares a voice over walking talk and the guy coming up and her pushing away and saying as if just like truly everything there are so even every single theater screen with the outfits, like

even that almost everything at her vanity, it's like, oh my god. And then the famous lines that come from like yeah, I hope not sporadically, yeah, it's like, oh my god, my bad. Like truly, so many things like started with Red Segull, It's like, oh my god, play suck and blow suck and below let's play suck and blow. It's sucking blow and I'll sucking suck. What an amazing movie. Wait, what am I going to tell her grandchildren? Yeah? I do not wear polyoster, not like some girls like show.

Donald is so good and this is so good at that with his licking his teeth and that one scene when it's shaving his head. I'm like, ah, that shot, that's it. I'm calling your mother bad one back in the day, and she had a good one. Well she made good choices. Yeah, she made fantastic dresses. It's sad

because she's like kinda in that movie. And now you think, like you can't picture them all getting together and getting lunch right because they see that Lysia Strown is now like this vegan mama that like, and it's just like, that's not Stacy that they are. They in fact, are diametrically opposed. Where's Amber is the real question. I piped her Instagram like a couple of months ago. She seems

like she's doing great. Ambuler a ambuler. My doctor says, I'm not allowed to do any activity, wear balls fly at my face. Say, well, there goes social life. So good, Stacy was so good at that she I mean looks she's just good. Also the line when when she comes out of the we were both named after famous singers who now do infommercials. Oh that good again. That is a big world with joke jokeokeokeoke, virgin who can't drive harsh tie. I'm really sorry. Yeah a Maudie nineties. Oh

my god, you know you guys know what movie. Brittany Murphy is so good in Uptown Girls, Uptown Girls writing in cars with boys amazing. No, this is the thing. This is the thing. Brittany Murphy is iconic. She would have won an oscar one day, she would have lost Vegas even in the Ashton Kutcher movie I loved. She makes it look easy. Brittany Murphy used to make it look very easy to be that charming and that specific and honestly like really brought that character of tied to

life like it which she was perfect. And even I don't think it's necessarily fair for me to say this, but even she might have been like a Jennifer Anderson Rosio Donald where she did one. She didn't play too much outside of arrangement. She did it well. Remember, don't say a word, So what is that you don't remember? Don't say we're with that? With Douglas, she like she put like she was in like a mental facility or she wasn't. Girl dropped it fantastic, take it back and

take it back. So I enjoyed. We miss you, Brittany, Brittany because I was released. And then Angelina Jolie fucking lazy and her with the monologue that won her in ospar get I think about she is my grandmother. You are a child of Angelina. Do you want to know some tea I heard about Angelina Jolie. Maybe she fucking loves Survivor. That's great. And because she goes to Survivor watch parties with all her kids, that's so fun. I like that. And and that they all watched Survivor. Did

you know the Survivor is looking still huge, still on. Yes, you can't even believe how thriving it is. My sister wants to be honest. There's a cultural ship happening with Survivor where it kind of because I think this happened for the Bachelor to where for a while it dipped and then no one and now it's back. You're about your Bachelor Nation. Well, I watched for a few I started again with Rachel Lindsay, right, I loved I loved her,

and then I thought that was the best season. Shocked it well, and I guess not shocked because the world is literal garbage. I couldn't believe when I heard that that was like one of the lower rated seasons. And then I remembered, despite the fact that her head and Shoulders being the best batch, she is Like I think about her, I'm like, I hope you're happy. I love you so much. Think well, you believed, you believe that,

like all these men wanted to fight for her affection. Absolutely, I was like, yes, she is a not a prize, but you saw her on the street. You just want to talk to her. She has that effortvescence. She has that glow where you're just like, Hi, I hope you have a great day. Yes, yes, yes. That's my problem with the general conceit of those shows where there's one object of affection. I'm like, really, everyone wants to fall

over the fall over themselves to marry you can't. Well, then there's like there's a whole psychological aspect to it too, right, which is like you cut the people off from society for months, and of course they're gonna think this, They're gonna have a cultish mentality around it exactly. But with her, I was like, this season really works because I believe that all these men would chime in love with Rachel, eyes of You and in love with Race exactly. And

I agree with her and everything she did. She she had me the whole season until she picked Brian. That was with So Peter was Madison, Wisconsin's own. I ran into him and so I did, Okay, I did, and I did this okay. So sometimes when I get nervous or like over excited, anything's so bad um or like like truly I am like a child where it's like one drink, excited and nervous, angry anything, It's just like

like what's up? And so I went. I passed him and he was so handsome and he had that perfect gap tooth and I was like, Hi, I'm from Addison, and he because hi, and he starts to talking. I just want to say, you're great. And Tim Plat was with me, and Tim's about your head, sweetest, mean, alive, like creative collabor day later and he Tim's watching me, and I'm going, okay, um, so we're gonna go, And then like he looked like he was going to engage, and I was like, and I truly ran away. Probably

could have gotten a dat out. I absolutely could have. I know that for sure. I felt confordable as he is on the show. He's taller, he's stronger, He so handsome. It's crazy, and I'm like, oh my gosh, you come from my people, like you understand like how to eat just like only bread and white foods, you know, like it would be really nice crying what that scene where they did you watch that? I didn't. I didn't watch this scene where they broke up because they just like

hit a wall. It was it was so hard hard to watch because it was like watching him really cry and like her really cry. And then like when it ended up being Brian after watching that whole section of that episode where it was like watching them obviously want to be together, and I was like this and coming up against the parameters of the show, being like he was like, I really would like to date you. I'm

actually feeling really afraid of commitment right now. But and then she's like, no, this is the show, Like I understand. It's almost like she was like, please just like go through these motions. But yeah, he was, which is like unfortunate because you know her, she's a smart woman. She like she would have figured out something for them. I mean it's it's literally, it's like it's like, what are the rules anyway? Situations like you but you get engaged and you don't you get a Neil Diamond ring and

then you just keep it. But he I think the Madison, Wisconsin jumped out. I think the traditionalism jumped out. That's what first of all, we should reference. We should say that that is a reference that jumped out as a reference to another reality show, Charms School, where Monique says to Pumpkin, remember when Pumpkins, Yes, I watched every vage one show ever, like the Surreal Life it Charms kept Remember that one with Jerry Hall had all those boys.

Oh no, that was a really good one. Charms School, Charms Charms did you Charm School? First behavior last night was horror like there jumped out or jumped out, and then it jumped back in. But it jumped out. The horror jumped out. But the Atomy Award winner Monique so a human woman said last night was like the horror jumped out and then it jumped back in, but it jumped out the horror jump the horror jumped out, jump a horn jumping out, pure ump out like a banshee

from your sphere, like just sucks on a dick. Because that is that is such a satisfying season of television if you watch it back, because I think it did succeed in the mission where it was like the outfits, we need outfits, but it succeeded in what its mission was, which is just to like have these women like whatever, like maybe like is a little problematic. This was the goal fights where the goal physical fights for the goal, but it was a problematic for them to be like

less trash like the Bad Girls Club on Oxygen. It is a little class gross to be like will make you less trashy. But it was satisfying to watch. And Safierri, who won the whole season, was amazing and she had such a good arc and she had the best art because she got eliminated before she even got a name on Flavor of Love season two. Remember this Safire he got into a fight with with this poor woman. I forget who it was, but they fought over and then

this woman they fight over bad. This woman takes the bouquet flowers and starts hitting Saffirius Ifire grabs onto her hair and then Safiri just goes, don't you hit me with flowers? And they fight and then she gets picked out. And then at Charms School, Monique does this whole ceremony where she like where she has all the girls step step up and reveal their real names, and then she she like takes so she divorces the flavor flame names from their names, and then it gets to Sufire. It's

like Pumpkin, what's your real name? It's this is never going to be that again? Yeah, like what like like red Oyster, what was your real name? It's that red Oyster Oyster hoops, what's your real name? And then they get to Safi Reid. Monique goes, so we're going to give up that terrible name. No remember, so tell me what your real name is and then i Fire just goes, it's a fire like I didn't get a name, and so the firies my real name. It's beautiful television who

is fascinating? Monique is father going from being to the stand up legends the Queens of Comedy too, charm School whatever too. Honestly, what was beer Fest? Remember? Beer Fest movie was I'm going to Break your dick off. Every boy in my grade get together and watch that multiple times that year, and I just like, can you guys hang out? I saw it in the shitty movie theater

Original Cock Destroyer Monique, Original Cock Destroyer Monique. Then Precious based on the novel pushed by Sapphire immediately after Pademy Award winner in an incredible performance and then disgraced and blacklisted by certain sections of Hollywood for for for shitty reasons. Well, she's been fully blacklisted by truly Oprah and Tyler Perry, which is psycho and also Lee Daniels, like they still feel like remember the whole Steve Harvard that just happened,

That was a whole thing. Yes, yes, did you not know about this? No? So basically, when Precious was coming out, there was obligations or like assumed obligations on everyone on the cast part to promote it. So they were and yeah, they were invited to Cohn where the film was was being shown, and Monique like declined to go to con because she wasn't being paid to do press, So basically she was not willing to play ball with any promotion.

And then she wouldn't campaign for herself to win the Oscar because she felt it would be unfair to do it like politics. And she won the Oscar. Anyway, that's the most legit thing I've heard of, right, But Hollywood's a business, and she didn't play ball, and then it was this whole thing with like it became very public about how and why she wouldn't play ball, and then

it got very ugly. Did we figure out legit was just about not being paid to do things, and she was like at the time, she had a B E. T talk show. I don't know if you remember that.

But then she ended up losing a lot of it because I think she lost a lot of industry respect, but really just based on the whole like thing of like, she wouldn't play a ball in the way they wanted her to, and then it became public and ugly, And I don't think she's necessarily probably an easy person to deal with, but you know, when you're that talented, that's a groundbreaker. That's someone leaving the party. Even though there was no one's not going to follow them pioneer Relationships

relationship Queen, and and not shaving your legs Queen. And I remember like she was asked about her open relationship by some interviewer. It might have been Diane Sawyer or something, but they grilled her about her open relationship. And this was like truly probably like four years ago, three or four years ago, and I was just like something about this feels really weird, like stop, leave her alone. It

works for her. And it was this whole thing like it kind of was like remember years ago when Britney Spears said masturbation was secret, I mean, and and Diane sorry, was like it's what and Brittany like that later almost like oh I think I was confused. Sorry, sorry, sorry, I'm like, so you know, that's why Brittany is the way she is now, is because that down every single impulse she ever had so that she could be good

for us. Meanwhile, like let her say master, but That's what I'm saying, Like we're talking at Brenchday, like we have to undo a lot of things that we absorbed because I would see Anne hash and I would be like, oh so you can't you can't like bold Okay, Oh my god, like because everyone was like, she dated Ellen

and then she dated a man, so she die. We hate this, And I remember watching that being like sorry, okay, Like like imagine being someone who's like watching that Brittany interview and they and then she shames her for master babingturbating that kid then is not going to touch them. So it's suck. So you know, kid is not going to there, not going to do that. It suck that I didn't know because I hate being like, well, I'm

not like that in my head. In my head, I literally saw you like right up on a jet ski, turn around and go the other way like that, and the water you have to go back by. Wow, have you ever written a jet ski? No? I refuse straight culture. It is. It's like there's these things that are still so violently dangerous and people like you haven't jumped out of a fucking plane, and you have because I don't

believe you should have had to. That was culture was straight was definitely me jumping out of that plane was absolutely straight culture. So I'm happy that I did it because it feels funny to me now. Yeah, sure, Like I don't think i've ever shown you the video I've never seen the video. I don't I don't care to. Honestly, you've talked about it's like, that's scary, talked about it so many times. I was there. Oh wait, we didn't

get to address that. We have made out. I didn't get to straight culture of the thing, man and I. Everyone said we had insane chemistry and we know that because I think we're twins in another life for sure. Oh my god, there's so much to work through. There are a good visual match are you guys are very too good too. We take striking photos together. Long live, long live good. We've been yeeling for like four and a half years. So ho, So you guys are playing detectives?

What is going on? So it was the Rejectress pilot, and it was like so funny because it was playing on like um, you know, like Horatio in um uh not c s I maybe c s I where you take his sunglasses off and be like he looks like yeah, like what's his name David or whatever? CSI Miami yeah and he So like it was like playing on that where it was just super horny when there's a dead

person in front of you, like straddling the body. Yeah, and so then like we would be like should you go take a sample, and then like it then build and then it was after us. It was Rachel's Winninsky and Brandon Scott Jones, and like both of us would do bits where all the two of us would just get too horny and then fall over onto a dead body making out on it. It was pension became too much and we Funny was playing the dead body. The dead body was played by Nicole silver Brook. Oh my god,

so she wasn't we have to include her? She was there forever Dog's own Nicole Silverberok. Please listen to Nicole's Anatomy Dog. But yeah, that we did make out. Now, what did you think of the kiss? I think it was fantastic, really good time. I had a fun afternoon. Whoa, I felt like I started to smell bad after a while because it was in there. It was hot and it was like a warm day. It was a summer day. It was the summer day, this summer day, and you too.

I believe. I believe it when people fall in love on set thanks to me, my dream as a kid. And but there's this thing that happens even now where it's like it hasn't really happened to me. Oh no, this happened. This truly happened to me in Brandon Scott Jones where we kissed. We kissed famously in a feature film, in a future film, and I was just like, we kissed like for like a dozen times. Yes, and then

you fell in love with him? And afterwards I was like, he felt something, but my brain was just like I would look at him and I left to say bye to him, and it's like by Brandon, and then I walked away and I was like, um, oh, but you're in love with him, like that is your soul. Like it was kind of No, I did not feel that. I didn't I love you. I'm not in love with you. No. Not. You guys are not being honest with your emotions. You guys have to get to the bottom of belief of

why you're not attractive. I have never once fallen in love. I've seen many popular video roulette videos where everybody's making out with everybody. I will say that everyone's making out and I have made out so many things then we can ever say that makes me laugh so hard. Yes, did you resolve the love? I did? I did? It was just it was just me saying, like, my it was me acknowledging that my brain was playing tricks on me. That's spooky. Did you ever sell Brandon Scotch that you were?

I think so. I think I was just like, oh, I was like, I think I got why. I get why in a director fell in love? There you go? Or that people like too, people who have to constantly for a movie, yeah, or maybe a play even theater. Even I heard I heard T. I heard T that two coaster. I was looked up. Do you want to know who? I heard that? Evan Rachel would and Jimmy Simpson from West World hooked up. Which one's Jimmy Simpson? He played the young man in black like in the

in the when you find out hot? Um? I honestly hard as hell for Ed Harrison looks great, has always looked the hottest guy. And that the one that plays um, the one that plays Oh, his name is Roderigo Santaurro. He plays one of the the robots. But he is like the hot, bad cowboy and he sucks Tandy Newton quite a bit. Oh yeah, yeah, that's that one is like and Tandy Newton. The children have forgotten Tandy Newton, and then she wanted Emmy and I'm the children about Andy. Wow. Good,

the children have remembered, remembered. I think it's time. It is time. I don't think so get out of here, you boy. It's time. They are referencing my song that I sang. I wasn't that the Oscar Bowl? You were telling these football players had the Super Bowl? To get out of here? Hear you, bull boys, It's time for good. That's how I felt about every football player being on the field before halftime, like it was like halfway through. Actually I just almost called it Act I guess, like

the second quarter. It was halfway through Act two and I have nothing yet. Do you know what I'm referencing? Um? Oh, Diva's lament from spam a lot. Oh, someone tweet so I have my I don't think so, honey. This is our one minute to rail against something in culture that we really do not like. Um. Okay, this is Mount Rogers. I don't think so many he has something. Yes, time starts now. I don't think so, honey. The fight or flight response, I'm either a coward or I'm violent, bitch.

How about talking it out, honey. I don't think, so, honey, the fight or flight response, because let me tell you something, I am not going to sit here and pretend that I have two options. I have never once fought or flighted. I have always stayed exactly still and not known what to do in a crisis. And that is not fight or flight. That is freezing, honey. I don't think, so, honey, to fight or flight response because guess what, bitch, No, I feel that you have to sit down and talk

through things, and that is not in this equation. Never once have I been by something and thought, oh, I'm gonna punch this thing. I will. That were my whole deal. But I'm telling you, if I'm confronted by something, I'm sitting down in shock and panic. If you're a shark and you caught to me, I die immediately, that's not fighting or flying. That is dying. And that's one minute. I love that. I feel that the fight or fight response does not apply to me. It is fight, fight

or freeze. Um. So you are you are. It is like a new amended, but you are within that. But when was the amendment made? That's what I say. I don't think so, honey, late amendment, for sure, bingo, but they go late amendment and it's not a binary, it's

a trinary. That might not be the word triinary. I don't think that's okay, here we go, okay, this is but when I don't think so honey, and his time will actually starting now, I don't think so honey, most Broadway audiences, because you know what, student, I went to the theater the other day, looked around, Um, it was what the Constitution means to me. Heidi Shrek phenomenal. Everyone, please go see it. She made them big, big, true statements about how the founding document of our country is

actively working against marginalized communities. And you could feel the butt holes, the white butt holes, upper middle class buttholes clenched in that sucking audience, and no one I realized, this is most Broadway audiences. Picture sorties right now. All

of the families in there probably white. And I don't mean to get to this very like reductive level about race, but Broadway on This is the reason I had to catch up on a lot of theaters, beause I did not grow up in a theater loving family, and most families of color probably didn't have access to that either. And I'm doing a lot of ketchup culturally, but I'm happy to do. But I'm realizing that there is a

the the gatekeepers are the gatekeepers are white. The people are white, and the gatekeepers are the people who are just sitting in the seats in the first place, and they're just placing other people from seeing theater. That's one minute. That's one minute. So now it's an economic thing, it's a it's a class well, it's a class thing that is that is basically race. But it's just like it's just like it's like most Broadway audiences are these older,

upper class white people. The weirdest thing is the Hamilton's of it all. But yeah, because we're shifting to the makers being you know, more diverse and more people get the viewers. Fact, it's actually getting even more difficult to buy a ticket to anything exactly. And it's it's not this thing that's happening in film or TV. It's like there's there's an there's an access block, there's a there's like a stage gate that's being there that is not moving,

that's pretty fixed. And I think it really fucking sucks because I never got to see that much theater as a kid growing up, and my parents didn't care for I would be like, can we please go to New York and can we please buy these tickets for this Broadway show? They like, how much is it? Oh? Um? The ones that I want to like a hundred, and they were like, no, We're not paying that much money to see theater. That's because it wasn't a culturally, it

was not told that it was for them. So there's that. And yes, of course, because economically you could have a boarded the tickets not even really not even yea for like a justification, that's a lot totally back then, it was just like the most they would my parents would spend on me at Christmas would be like sixty and so it was just not. My heart sank when I realized how much Broadway tickets cost when I wanted to.

When I looked into buying tickets to go see fucking Phantom or whatever, like, I was just I was like, what, like eleven? And then when Wicked came out, I was like I have to see this. I have to see this on Broadway um, and tickets were like a hundred seventy and my parents were like no, and the best thing they could do was driving to the Gargent Theater. I would stand outside the doors and that was the most I could do. That sucks. And listen to the album and listen to the album of course and like

new every word. But like, this is the thing that I'm realizing now and I'm I'm very lucky that I get to see theater and then I could I get to go to Broadway shows now. But I look around and I'm just like, there's a problem here, and then is the makeup of the audiences has not changed that much in the last twenty years. And to be honest with you, if you really think about it, the only reason Hamilton even gets on stages because Lynn Manuel had

been proving himself with In the Heights. You have to imagine, like what else is out there that's so brilliant? And honestly, the majority of stuff that's even on Broadway is so

aggressively average. I mean it's you watch it and you're like want like it's so you know, like I'm even seeing like um, Jeremy or Harris is writing these incredible places that I was going to say, even even slave Play was a mostly white audience, which is great, Like that was the audience that probably needed to see that

um not needed to. But it's like I would have also loved I would have also loved a more like I would have also loved to like see like some kind of texture there to that audience and be like, how is everyone else responding to this? So I don't know that's my thing with theater right now, that's anyway I mean, I've done a similar I don't think it funny about their behavior there. It's like the unwrappiding of candy,

the talking the cell phone. Sat next to this elderly gentleman who I think his whole thing is that he goes to every show. He's sad by himself, but for a solid I kid you, not fifteen minutes was it just going through his jack not even pulling stuff out of his jacket, just like folding it and then unfolding it. And it was comical and student I both steered at.

And it's a thing of like I think people think because they are so privileged and they have paid so much for the ticket and they can do whatever they want so much because like I'm sorry, these men, these women, these non miinary people have worked their mother fucking asses off to get on Broadway and your ass is like, I about this ticket. I'm like, yes, you did to show respect. Show respect. You can't be in an audience and have there not be a cell phone go off.

It's psychic. And then it's these people, and it's also like went off? What the constitution? Yeah, it's psycho And also like it really changes the experience. I mean, when you're in the theater and the self goes off, you are not paying attention anymore. Your mind for that seconds is like, is like when is that going to get turned off? And you lose what they're saying. Yeah, yeah, And it can change an entire theatrical experience. People are very,

very very ignorant. Yes, okay, that's that's me. And now, oh my gosh, I don't think so, honey. Your time starts now. I don't think so, honey. People holding hands on the motherfucking sidewalk. I'm fucking sorry. We're in New York City. You've seen okay, we've been watching Romcom since age two. Motherfucker's Bob and heads, hundreds of thousands of them. Do you think you have time to double up? Okay?

We learned how to single file in child's school, like real young school, and I'm sorry if it gets tight, it's tight and we need a single file and you can't release hands, And now are you gonna lose them? Are you gonna? It's not gravity, bitch, you know what I'm saying, Like, you're not going to get away from that person. That person is not going to go so far away from you that you Oh my god, you can't go so far away from you, you you know what

I'm saying. Like, and then the energy of like you're doing a crosstalk right, You're in a crosswalk and it's getting a little smish, and you're coming towards a couple that has a tight, firm hold on their hands, and it's like, you're gonna need a break. You can see you need to break like red Rover ship, you know, and they won't. Their their energy is just like if we lose hands, it's an assault relationship and we actually don't like each other. And it's like, no, it's not

let me walk through. Oh my god, break your hands. You're gonna stay together or break up your stupid bitches. I don't give a ship walk, I don't, honey, And there you go. That's one minute. What is that death grip? That rigor mortis and congratulations on having to do it? Oh my god, It's just like, you know what it is. Hand holding is a tender act. You know, It's like, sure, if I see, you know, a daughter holding a hand

of their elderly mother, yeah, hold that hand. But if you're just some couple and you just need a hold onto hands, you don't. Don't you know what? Get out of here, Get the fun out of here, Get the boys. Get out of here, you boys. It's time. I woke up just like I was like, what's in my head? And I couldn't identify the song on my head? And I kept playing it out and I realized it was

get out of here, you boys. And you know, you and I were seeing it to each other earlier today and not not in Matt's presence, but when Matt sending back you know what we missed the separation on. Yeah, the hoys we forgot. I'm going to tell you it is going to be the song that we end on. Absolutely, But first I want to say this has been a glorious episode that touched all parts of the globe. A global episode. This was a global episode. We are local

to each other and global in our thoughts. Yes, and honey, we touched each other's hearts and minds and funny bones. That's not our song, Well that's we can't end on that. But Mo, we love you. We cherished all my whole heart. We thank you. I thank you both. There's a brown recluse right behind you. I'll say you know what, and when I say you two gems are so dear to my heart, and you know what, You're so dear to

so many people's heart. And this podcast, you mother stupid fucker's, is one of the specialists most wonderful, makes people feel seen, makes people feel hard. And I am so grateful that you two are in my life and you truth so special and love you. I think I think's going to connect with a lot of people. You're gonna have a connection. I love my audience. And now we're gonna get out of here with our song that we're gonna end um

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