"The Britney Episode" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

talk to a single person that is doing well. And it's just it's it's hard to like, it's hard to make yourself feel good when like when wheneveryone around you feels bad, you know what I mean? Like you get this, I get this. You're so right, and I hadn't thought of it that way before. My sister so wise. Well, you know, you might call me the wisdom. You are the wisdom. I call you that all the time. But aren't you doing relatively okay? Like yes, but then there's

there's little things. I just feel like it's a very inactive time right now, at being the winter. I can't imagine like and I'm saying this like in Los Angeles. Mean, while you're in New York whered it's absolutely covered in snow. You do not understand the luxury that is to be able to drive fifteen minutes to Griffith Park and not even five, it's even five, not even five. And then you go on a gorgeous hike up through those hills and you can even go behind one or two hills

and look at the San Gabriel Valley. Oh my god, what a life in an l A. I've forgotten my roots, That's what it is. I'm disconnected from my touchstones that keep me grounded and tethered really to to earth. But no, it's not a big deal. It's I'm just thinking of myself, like why do I do that? Like I'm the kind of person that I really absorb other people's stuff, and um, it ends up dictating my experience. Um, and I I

don't know what queen em path queen. But yeah, it's just it's just something I've been thinking about a lot because I just feel like it's a time in the pandemic when no one is like, um, feeling happy. Also, honestly, I think I've just like the week has been a lot like after the accident. I still don't have a car, you know what I mean. I'm still just like sitting

here and not really doing much. And I haven't been able to go out and like buy groceries, and I was doing very good with cooking for myself and etcetera. It's just like a weird, lullish time in the pandemic. And I think what happens when you're not doing much and you have an addiction to social media is you're on it a lot. So I will say it ain't

good right now. We're living in a great time of social media either, No, And it actually sort of brings me to a piece of culture I feel we should discuss, which is the Brittany of it all. And I watched the Brittany documentary, and I think this is one of the reasons why I was in a funk. Like I

watched the Brittany documentary. It was devastating, and in watching it, I felt a lot of like I think, like personal responsibility is the wrong way to say it, but I felt like we have not been there for her as a as a people, that she gave so much too. And I thought to myself and of course I had to take to Twitter, and I was like, you know, in watching I tried to say in so many words, in watching the Britney Spears documentary, it's so clearly that this is to me anyway, this is about so much

more than just her. It's about uh, misogynist and sexist culture that would basically for so many years sort of try to condition us to make us feel like the suffering of these celebrities and really mainly these women is funny and like, you know, like we were cultured by like late night and tabloid culture to think there was

entertainment value in this type of thing. And so I tweeted that something to that extent, and like a lot of the responses I got were like yeah, duh, and it's like okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, it just became

this luckily thing. Well, people are just people online are just so mad about why that they're mad that you, like, even the reminders of that reality that you are already aware of way way before this documentary came out, that you don't sort of like vocalize that every day as if it's an implicit truth, Like for I mean, but it's I don't care for people who say duh, like I don't understand what the conversational rhetorical like use of that is to be like, yeah, we've all known that.

It's like, well, then good for fucking you. This No, no, no no, literally this because one thing I was entertaining is my I don't think so honey. Later was people that are like, well, I never thought it was funny what was happening with Britney Spears, like good for you. I cannot believe that someone would take this opportunity to so how they've always been a better person than everyone else. It's like we're just pointing out that the culture like was set so that we like enjoyed the downfall of

these celebrities. It's been like that for a very long time. I know, I'm not breaking any news. I'm just pointing it out what the documentary illustrates. And people are just like they need so desperately to like let you all know, well, but well I was I always thought it was horrible what they did the Brittey Spears good for you. I'm sorry, No, that's pathetic, and you know you know what that does.

That's also buying into like stupid individualist nonsense where it's like that you think it's important that you were exceptional in whatever way of thinking to be like, well, this what you're saying has no value or importance because I am the exception that that doesn't take away from the fact that this is a society that this has been

like there was a societal project to ruin Britney Spears's life. Absolutely, and I think, like, but it is it's it is I'm sorry, and it is individualism or re collectivism where it's like, it doesn't fucking matter what your individual like responsibility as a person is, Like you you're not changing anything, any outcome as it relates to some collective issue. That's all. It is, Like, I don't care that you always thought that what we were doing in Britney Spears is sucked up.

This documentary exists in spite of that, right, and we are reacting to it. And what I think, I think it's number one case that it makes is that this is misogyny period, Like this is just what we did to this girl, this superhuman talent who was willing to give and give and give from the time she was nine ten years old. On Star Starts, she was being asked questions by Ed McMahon. Did you get to watch the doc Yeah, I watched. I watched the whole thing.

I had asked, sir, do you have a boy friend? Like? It's truly wild, wild wild, And honestly, and you and I talked about this over FaceTime yesterday, like, and you said something and I think that is brilliant, which is anyone who worked in media in like the year two thousand, let's say, like two thousand to two thousand eight nine, she just no longer work in media. Yeah, I just

think they should be replaced. If you're Diane Sawyer, if you're fucking Matt Lower obviously, or like Jay Leno, or like any of those people who like truly like went after this woman or like took the pot shots at the time when it was such low hanging fruit, like

you should go fund yourself. I I honestly, ever since the Connie Chunk thing, and even before that, I'm like, I don't know about that fucking Diane fucking Sawyer because you and I have even talked about that moment in the interview when Britney basically says like there's power and masturbation, she says, she's the words she used where she feels that masturbation is a sacred thing that she doesn't want to that that she feels like a power and a pleasure and a and Diane looked at her like she

had three heads and was like, you think it's sacred And you can see in that moment Brittany sort of sink into herself and she said, oh, just kidding, I think I'm confused. I'm embarrassed, and she like moved it along, and then like what's also explored in the documentary is how basically Diane Sawyer is cornering Brittany in that interview, being like, what did you do to Justin Timberlake to

make it? Because it was just and we can talk about Justin at length, but like, but the media basically like really sided with him with no evidence but his

own testimony, his own obviously biased testimony. And when you watch the whole documentary, it's clear they had been out to get her from the beginning because people were uncomfortable with her expressing sexuality in the way that she did, in connecting with young girl in the way that she did who hadn't really had someone like that um to speak specifically to this generation because the thing about Britney

Spears is she is our generations. You can even say millennial generations answer to Generation x's Madonna and Janet Jackson, you know what I mean. There was not uh sexually forward figure like that, and she happened to be young and you know, selling a sexy image, and I think people were so offended and triggered by that. It's not

even that we were uncomfortable. We were always comfortable. We were always overly comfortable, or even just we were dictating what her sexuality should be by being like, oh, let's ask her about her TETs when she's sucking eighteen. It's only we were like she did, like she found her little cracks in the Veneer to like express herself sexually. But it was also this thing where like we were the ones who fucking chipped at it because we kept like making jokes about her boobs or her virginity and

all this stuff. So it's it's not even that like we we it was a reactionary thing. It's that we, like as a society, were so fucking interrogational about her existence as like a really confident performer and an attractive performer and someone who like could be like very commanding physically.

It's like, you know, God, I like watched back like the pepsi Ads from the super Bowl, like you know, twenty years ago at this point, and it's like, God, Britney Spears was a fucking dynamo and like Jackson level choreographic dancing and like had that quality where you just like lost your mind when you saw her like pop out on stage at that time, you know what I mean absolutely, I mean there was before Brittany for our generation,

and there was after Brittany. And I say this sometimes on the podcast, and I believe you have a similar experience, but I remember the day she impacted, Like I remember there was a day where Baby one more Time was not in the culture. And then next day I remember I were distinctly remember walking into third grade and it was like have you seen Britney Spears. We love Britney Spears, Like Britney Spears is the best. And I was like, wait,

hold on, who is Britney Spears. And at that time, you couldn't just go home and like look it up, you know what I mean, Like you had to remember I had to beg my parents to let me put on MTV because I was not allowed to watch that because I knew they weren't playing around VH one. I was like, please, like you don't understand, like there's a singer that I have to know in order to fit in. Like it got to that point and they were like And I remember my uncle was like, oh, I've seen

the Britney Spears video. You know it's really something else. And I was like, I need to see it. And then when because it was this there was a demand for her that it was. It was so instant that and I think that art generation hadn't really experienced anything like that. Like yes, with the Spice Girls, um, but there were so many of them, and also with boy bands, there were so many people involved. Like that sounds silly, but a targeted fixation on one individual had not really

happened yet for our generation. And you're right, like it took my sister to bring home a c D of Baby One More time the album, Like I I didn't know who she was until the album came out, you know what I'm saying. Like, but then like I just I remember, I have like the fullest sense memory of like being in my living room in our house in Canada and just like putting in the CD and being like, oh my god, this is the best thing I've ever

heard in my life. Yes, oh absolutely, I mean even the like besides like soda pops sometimes sometimes email my heart, like that album Diary and I can't smile Daddy, And she was she no one had ever been like that. And I remember it was like, I don't even think I knew what she looked like until I got to the record store and walked up to the new releases and picked up the album and the CD. And then were you like, she's the prettiest girl? I was like,

she's so pretty. I was like, oh, she's like super cute, and she's exactly as pretty as everyone said she would be. And then you turn on you hear and the world changed. I mean, that was the moment. It was Brittany's. Was Brittany's only placement in the top two hundred moments, number two hundred, No, there had to have been more. Two hundred is when Britney said, good morning America. Well that's it's you know what, we might have to do a

new list. We might because because we might have to do for two episode, we might have to do top two fifty moments that didn't make it, because it's just getting to be ridiculous how many things we've missed because what should be on the list is no that just that sound should be on the list. Um, and maybe maybe maybe we can have Doug put it in right here? Can you just put the sound from the Brittany songwrite

in right here? Great? I'm so happy And now all you're thinking about is that song in the music video, the fucking like little puffs in her ponytail at Pigtails. Yes, but you know what else is interesting, like the amount of time where she was like super dominant, which was like ninety eight to two thousand four or five, like up through in the zone like before it got kind of weird with her being consumed by the paparazzi and

everything when she was just truly untouchable everyone's favorite. Um, it felt like twenty years but was only like six. It was only sex six. It was like nine because baby warmer time was oh no, baby, one more time is nine and then said it again with two thousand. That makes sense because that was the That was also at the same time when the Backstrap Boys put out

the millennium album. So this, like with the Millennium, was a huge like the like time stamp well because back then it was because it really was like once a

year there would be a new Brittany album. And I was like, truly even as a kid, getting used to the cadence of once a year, there's gonna be a Britney Spears album, and it's gonna be so it's gonna consume my life because it was baby one more time two thousand, WASP did again in two thousand one was Brittany, and I think and then in the Zone wasn't until two thousand and three, but even then I was just like, we're getting Brittany consistently, and I like did not know how,

like you know this the industry worked. So I was just like, for the until I die, there's gonna be a new Britney Spears album once or once every two years, once every year or once every two years. And also like you don't understand what it takes to have that output. Like now looking back, it's like they probably worked out like a dog and like and and she probably and you see in the documentary that she enjoys it and likes and like has input and like, yeah, is part

of the process of executive ability. And then I remember when she took her a little break before she did in the Zone because she was gonna like rebrand and come back as this, you know, a little bit older version of Britney Spears, and it felt like it was a veteran returning. Meanwhile, she had been in the industry for like four years year well, and I mean and I mean as a huge mainstream pop act. Obviously she

had done Mickey Mouse Club and all that stuff. But but I just remember her being so ubiquitous and at the time obviously not knowing what that meant, which is that she must be working insanely hard. And the documentary just shows that. I think people do appreciate the documentary showing like a moment of her being like, I was not controlled from the I was not a puppet from

the beginning. I really. And it's like what Justin Tranter said to when we have them on there, like someone who like achieves like Selena, let's say, his levels of success. They were they were talking about like Selena gom As his level of success that's not by accident, that's like there's something there's some personal power in there and that artist to like know what to lean in on. And I feel like you have to give credit to Britney

Spears for knowing that herself. Yeah, it's important to know that too in the documentaries because of the position that she's in now where she has like no autonomy over what she's doing, and it's it's crazy because what the documentary argues is that basically it went from postpartum combined combined with the fact that the paparazzi was out to get her, and the fact it went from that to conservatorship pretty much within a span of like six months, right,

which is unheard of Black. Around the release of Black, which was like October seven into the first quarter of that was when that was like the full cycle of the conservatorship or in terms of like it's sort of

being talked about and then it finally happening. And truly that like that that crazy like if if it like butterfly effect moment was that one lawyer being rejected from representing her in the in the dispute because like she gets this quarter appointed lawyer to represent her and then she loses the dispute and then she has to be under her father's conservatorship, right, you know I'm talking about yes, yes, yes,

and like it's just crazy, how rigged. It obviously feels against her, the fact that it seems like no matter what she says or does, and now she's like legally in court documents she is she is saying she fears her father, she doesn't want him involved, she won't work, she won't work with him, she won't put out any new work if he's still the concern, right, And she recognizes, appreciates, and supports the informed support of her fans who are the Free Brittany movement, which to me means that like,

there's something wrong here. And I really feel like we should be able to hear from her, and yes you can on her Instagram and stuff. And she actually trolled today and she put out a close that was like, Wow, what we've all been waiting for last week the super Bowl, I was rooting for both teams, Like she kind of like said something like like that, and I was like, yeah,

but Brittany, what's going on? Because it's now gotten to a point where it's like it's it's it's it's ordinarily with a big stunt like this like, whenever Taylor Swift pulls a stunt or like whatever, it's usually whether we can see it on face value or not, in service of some sort of project or the brand. This is not. So it's like her life, Yeah, this is for her safety, satity, livelihood.

And so it just feels to me like there's obviously something wrong with someone being in control of her money and person who she says she she explicitly doesn't want in that role and has been saying that. And then there was that weird interview with her brother where he was like, you know, the women in my family are very strong willed, and it's annoying or something. I was like, the deal here, it's just like and where he's like, you know, I'm one of the few men in the family.

It's like, no, it's you and your dad, who's a full fucking deadbeat who is absent for most of Brittaney's life and trying to start off these stupid little griff de rackets or whatever the fuck. And now he's like swooping back in and controlling her money and having her pay for his lawyers. It's so fucked up. Um, that

fucking lawyer who represents Jamie was so stupid. I can't believe she like that fucking woman who was just like, um, yeah, the conservatorship is like legitimate in these ways, and then she like like a we you see, like a week after that interview she went back to represent Jamie Spears. It's like, so it's so stacked against poor Brittany, and it's like and and yeah, like but I wonder like what we like, you say that we have not been there for her? I agree, but what do we do

well to be to be there for her? And what I mean by that is like, what I mean is I don't think it's possible. And a lot of people were telling me I was wrong yesterday on Twitter, and

good for fucking you, sweetheart, good for you. But I don't think it's possible to sit here and say, as a consumer of culture in the era of Britney Spears, as a millennial who is like a fan of pop culture, that that there's not stuff to examine about the way that we've experienced examined discussed culture and we literally do it on this show, and we've had to change the way that we talk a lot. I mean, when when when um, when Adele came back into the scene and

had lost all that weight. You know, we said, like, we have to change the way that we talk about especially women in the in the public eye, because this has real repercussions on their lives. And I think that someone like Britney spears because she's just always been there and always been ubiquitous, because there's some joy in talking

about her or experiencing her in any way. We all are a little brainwashed and conditioned to feel like it's okay to laugh at someone who's rich, or it's okay to laugh at someone who's beautiful, or it's okay to laugh at someone who's talented, who seemingly is undefeatable. But with her, it's like, when she's so clearly was vulnerable, it felt like it came at the perfect storm when

it came to like the tabloid culture. And like I remember, I was a big consumer of Peress Hilton because at the time, when I was in middle school, high school, I did think a lot of the ways he was sety towards celebrity was funny because something about the way that um it was all framed or it just always felt like a punch up um I guess or maybe it was just the fact that I grew up in a very toxic, patriarchal part of the world, you know what I mean, And I'm just recognizing that now and

it's just another step of the unlearning of all of that. But I did, um, you know, not enjoy, but participate in a narrative that was Wow, Britney spears, like what a train wreck, you know what I mean. And I think it's disingenuous to say not me, never me, Like I just think that that means it's it's it's a lack of self awareness to think you were better than all of this and that you didn't participate in this.

I don't know, Yeah, I don't know. It's like denying that you were a part of some large collective sentiment about something, right, Like I don't know that that it's it's not like it's not that I'm sure it's not that. It's not that like, um, we're saying that like oh, like contrarians are or that's not like like like that's

like a useless stance to take. But it's like also, it doesn't really undermine anything about the dominant like feeling around something or that you sort of absolve yourself from

like the consequences of that. Does that make sense? It's like yeah, like you being like I didn't, I never, I never like sort of fell for the whole like Brittany like ha ha, train doesn't mean that like millions of other people did right exactly, And so it's basically just like a way to like say you're better than everyone, which cool and great, good for you, I'm so happy for you, like wonderful, Like next time there's a big polarizing issue, will listen to you first, because you're on

the right side of history about everything. But my thing is just like like like millions and millions of people clearly felt conditioned by a society into thinking that this was an acceptable way to treat someone because she was treated that way and is in the positions that she's

in now and like we saw it. So so I don't think that denying that you that or or like trying to absolve yourself from it or like take blame off of yourself a responsibility off of yourself for what happened to this person is necessarily helpful because it happened and we're dealing with it now. Sure, Sure, And then

I find Brittany. I find Brittany to be tragic because it's like what you were saying, like and what the doc says is that her having children um coincided with the paparazzi at there sort of keep powers and so like it just it just it's just trying to imagine living in life as a new mother while having every

single thing that you do be examined and scrutinized. Is it just it must sound like hell to anyone, right, it has to sound like hell to anyone, and so and so Britney Spirits is tragic because she is this like person who had to bear the brunt of like every one moralizing around how celebrities should be respectable, presentable.

But meanwhile she was being subjected to this insane media scrutiny around being like her anatomy and her her sexuality in the way that they were not comfortable with, and it was coming from this crazy, puritanical, patriarchal, misogynistic place. I know, it sounds like we're just throwing around all these adjectives, but it's like there, I think it's like it's important to um. I don't think it's a it's

a chicken or the egg thing. I think like it starts at the fucking dirt bags who ask her about her tits when she's sucking eighteen years old. Truly believe that. And the reason why we're it sounds like we're throwing around these adjectives is because we now at this time have the vocabulary to talk about it this way. So when the issue comes up, we're gonna use that vocabulary and like like so people be on like yeah, yeah,

arrive in a little late. Fuck you. It's like, no, fuck you, because at least we're having the conversation because it should be had, because this woman is in danger now, Like did you have like the vocabulary around mental health in two thousand and seven when she was at her lowest? Like if you did, then great, if you like if you We are in this new sort of baseline. We've caught up to some new baseline and as a culture, thankfully, where we like understand each other when we throw words

around like this. Back then, at whatever whatever age you were, there was no collective societal like awareness around is this woman's well being being considered? Exactly? And I mean, you know what, I was really happy that they brought up was the proximity to the Lewinsky scandal with all of this that was really I thought important in terms of points that were made by the documentary because no one

was sticking up for Monica Lewinsky at that time. Let's really no one, and so what was happening with Britney Spears was in many ways like a more, at least on face value, lighthearted way of shaming a woman for for being sexual, because we had it in such a dark way with Monica Lewinsky, who was only you know, she was younger than and and got all of this, and it's really interesting to look at it in the in the frame of Britney Spears, because Britney Spears was like,

you know, obviously bubble gum pop and she sort of got like what was weirdly enough like in comparison to Monica with Lewinsky, like a bubble gum pop version of misogyny where it wasn't like fuck this hore. Monica Lewinsky, she is a Heartlet look at her with her raven hair and her you know, she obviously stopped in there and she knew what she was doing. It was like a lighthearted misogyny of so what's up with your boobies?

Like and and like then her sorry but going on SNL and the monologue joke being her tits moving around, know what I mean? Like all these things and like you hear the late night jokes and it's it's weird.

It's it's weird, and it would never happen now, So it is important to call it out now and and and understand that that is the root of all this, because when we talk about Britney Spears now, what we all have to understand is that we have been as a society conditioned to speak not just about women, but specifically about her in a certain way. And there is

remnants of that when we talk about her now. So when you say the words Britney Spears to many, many millions of people, the first thing that comes to their mind is not the Free Britney movement or how the importantly music was to them, or the fact that she

it'says she's crazy. It's that she drove around with a baby on her lab and oh my god, isn't she a terrible money saved the head And by the way, like watching that moment play out again in the dock reminded me of when A d was on the show and she was like, I've never related more to a celebrity than that moment, because because she was like, fuck you famous, bullshit, it's destroying who I am as a person, and you guys don't have access to the person that

you thought I was ever again, And like, honestly, like it makes total sense, it makes total sense why she would and like her getting the umbrella, I'm like, I think I clapped at the screen. I was like, that's actually incredible that she did that, because funk that dude who they interviewed, Like I'm people who took issue with him being interviewed and included in the documentary, the videographer Slash Paparazzo, who like was there at that moment that

like one of her like Paparazzi. Um, but like that fucking dude sucks. Who's just like no one if she did. She never said to leave me alone. And then they're like, what about all the times that we have on tape of her saying leave me alone? She just meant her that day scared out of here. It's truly, and honestly, that US Weekly photo editor too, I was like, you were and he like he had the smugness about him tour.

It's like no, no, no no, no, no no, no, no, no, you were part of this apparatus that like destroyed this woman's life. Yes, to understand, it's exactly what you said. The overarching thing is like capitalism, Like there shouldn't be a system in place where incentivizes photography to the point of a million dollar picture being a thing in paparazzi culture, Like that should not be the like motivating engine behind all this, and yet here we are. But like you

could have at least like stopped it there. I don't know, yeah, And I mean it's exactly what you said earlier, which is it's that individualism versus collectivism. Because now these guys clearly no, they clearly know that they were part of something that destroyed this woman or you know, cause her to be in a situation that she's in now. And they will do like Simone Biles level gymnastics to fucking absolve themselves of wrongdoing. It is crazy. They will stop

at nothing. No one can just be like, you know what, I was wrong, and I could try to justify it by saying it was a livelihood and it was a good livelihood. I thought we had a relationship that we didn't I didn't know I was harming. Whether or not that's true, obviously, they need to examine a lat about their lives if they believe that. But they should come out and say, you know what, I was wrong. And I think there are tons of people that should come

out and say I was wrong. I think that we should have a statement from Justin timber Where is Justin Timberlake's ally ship for Britney Spears? Now after he made his solo career off of her back, which he did because let's not mint words here. He had a fine debut album. There's definitely some bops. Like Justin Timberlake is a talented man, He's multitalented, but that does not just

make a pop superstar in an individual capacity. He needed a narrative, and his narrative was fuck Britney Spears, who cheated on me, and then he sold her out and said that she had been lying about her virginity when he went on the radio and said that he had sex with her. So that was a dirt bag move. And he is culturally aging very poorly because we haven't

even talked about the Janet stuff. And yes, he did come out and say, you know, he did the bare minimum and said, I believe that women are especially black women are treated differently, and but he he did not do enough to like try to help, and he's certainly not saying or doing enough now for the woman who without him, he would not be where he's at. And it's fucked up. She Brittany did not need Justin. Justin needed Brittany that say that that is the real truth?

What is what was that? Anyway? James? Anyway? James? And I what was that? What was that? Okay? Okay, James, James, we're sort of starting to talk about Wendy now the other documentary. We need to talk about Justin? Um, yeah,

which is what are your thoughts? I mean, we need to talk about Justin And I just feel like I remember he was absolutely silent, And meanwhile, Janet was the one who was going out, was going to all these talk shows doing all I remember, like Janet Jackson went on fucking Conan like two weeks after the whole Super Bowl happened, and I was like, wait, why is even as a kid, I was like, this is not her responsibility.

She does not have to clean up this mess when even as a kid, I was like, but we talked about it at school the next day. We were like, but justin tore away the breast plate, she ripped her clothes off of her, and it was like it was

like part of the staging. But like he ripped his her clothes off of her and then he had to he didn't answer for it at all, Like when, like when did he even say the whole like black women are treated differently, Like like what twenty years after the fact, like fifteen or something he's quoted as saying, And I believe it happened right after. Like the fact of the matter is like she had her historic career ended basically

like in the way that it was. I mean, you're talking about someone who's performing the Super Bowl, like that is the biggest moment of someone's career and very a handful of people would even be considered for that. And because this thing that it took two to tango to execute, she was completely ruined. And then that was like you know, on the way up for him, like he got huge.

I mean there was a time where he was the biggest. Meanwhile, she was wearing this like fantastic like Corser Tree whatever, and he is literally out there in a gray T shirt. I'm like a fucking dirt colored button down. Like I'm sorry, but that I mean that is also illustrative of something where it's like men don't have men can show up looking like fucking shit at these events, these huge events are watched by tens and tens of millions of millions

of people. Let's just say it. I mean, it's because he's attractive and white, he can do whatever he wants and straight forget it, you know what I mean, like like like this type of like sort of rat pack

throwback thing he was doing. Let's also not ignore the fact that like not only did he make his career off the back of Britney Spears and that narrative, but like he was doing R and B music and like yeah, like you know, not to say that white people can't do R and B music, I don't believe that that's true, but it felt like it felt like it felt like a more palatable version of what black artists had been doing for decades at that point, and it was just like, hey,

here's not to make this. This is a very lazy comparison. But here's like a La La Land jazz Ryan Gosling doing jazz version of I don't know. You know, it's like here's what you're saying, a white boy doing rat pack looks and then R and B sort of stylings in my in my music. I just think he is not. He is not. It's just funny now because he is so he's now for he's now like dad pop, you know what I mean, Like I can't stop the feeling.

It's like you know what I mean. It's very sort of like mainstream like Ellen would play it um not cool um, but he it's just so funny to see him age poorly because now it's like if you actually look back and like really assess why he is as big as he is, Like it's not great, it's not the record is is really suspect. It's it's not good, um, and get a fucking jade roller, honey to lift the

babs under the eyes. I'm sorry, it's well, it's just so funny because like it was never more but about too, because it was never more apparent than he was like such a white dude when he started aging is badly, Like oh, like the Man of the Woods thing like he had to do a Man of the Woods because he needed to justify looking like hell like like curdled. He truly looks curdled. Now, Okay, Hans says, there's some awful clips from the right Carpet where journalists are asking

Jessica Biel questions and he keeps jumping into talk for her. Yeah, because he can't help himself. I mean that that that type of person has aged poorly, you know what I'm saying that, Like, Hey, aren't I like I remember even like at that. This is such a crazy example. Specific example, this is the two thousand ten Emmy's and Tina Fey had won an Emmy for thirty Rock for writing for Outstanding Writing in a Comedy Television Show, and Justin, for

whatever reason, was presenting Justin. Timber looks at the Emmy's shirt he's presenting for Outstanding Writing in a Comedy Television Series. Tina fe wins, and he like presents her the awards and then set of and and as Tina walks up to the mic, he like but like jumps in and goes, I'm gonna let you finish, like does the whole Kanye bit which is at that point a year old and even and as a college student. It was like what

are you doing? Just let the woman And then Tina had to like do the whole like, oh, I'm Taylor Swift Taha, stop doing bits. Stopped doing bits. I mean j T as comedian was a whole thing. We we gave him too much power in that moment. We were like, oh, great, he's like doing all these funny sketches with like Andy Samberg and he's doing all these fun bits with like

he's he's a great SNL host. But then like, you can't let the train run two wild on that one on on someone like that who has been affirmed his entire life. You gotta pump the brakes a little bit when you, like when he's in this new venture where you're like, hey, maybe calm down. You know who's also a great fucking SNL host, Brittney Spirit. I'm so happy you said it because I was then thinking the same thing. I was like, Brittany was a Gangbusters SNL host. It's

because these Disney stars. I'm waiting for Zenda at a host. She'll be fantastic. Olivia Rodrigo some day. Yes, Uh, we need the star to come Olivia. But my thing is just like they're always like Christina was a great SNL Hostina was great, And it's just so funny because they're so pumped out to do that that it's like, yes, they were great, Can we stop acting like we should put him on that goddamn cast, Like no, it's fine.

People can come and be great hosts. Um. But it actually reminded me Um when we were talking about Christina, like just to leave the j t of it all for a second, because you can't really talk about like Brittany at that time without talking about Christina. And I always feel like the treatment that was given to Brittany at the time when she was like number one and Christina was numbered too, just because of the way they came out like no shape. Actually like Christina had just

as many, if not more, number one hits. That's actually true, But it felt like Christina had to go so far, like like she couldn't tow the line of like I'm coy with my sexuality. It's like very much here in present, like she had to be like I am my album is called stripped, I'm in fact filthy, I'm the the the music video for Dirty is about getting a yeast infection. It was like, I'm Phil C and this is me

and I love it video. I've never seen anything please filthier, I mean that and the best Oh it's absolutely holds up. But the music video is truly like slimy, grimy sex and it's so hot and I've never seen anything like it since Noe. Like she did, she did fully full tilt go into I'm a fucking sexual being, yes, and I responded to it. I was younger, I was like, I was like, oh, like, wow, yeah, for sure, I'm

out of the two of them. I always was like not not that I actually well not, that's that's true because when people were like you team Brittany, your team Christina, I was always like, I'm team ex Tina because I just always I really loved how hard she went for it. And I always loved the vocals. I mean, like, I'm

someone that appreciates the vocals. But it was so interesting to think about Christina in watching this documentary because she she was so like not forced to, but it felt like she had to occupy a space that was that

was something completely different from Brittany. And when Brittany was made to feel like self conscious or like her sexuality was something to be like, uh coy about Christina was like, oh, there's no way, and that kind of unfortunately for Brittany, like that was probably the more like self preserving way to go. But overall, Christina approached her sexuality in a way that was much much, much more confident. In Brittany's was I'm being sexy in spite of what people expected me.

Christina is like, I don't care what people expect of me. This is not this is not pushing back against something. This is just who I am and who I want

to be. Well both yes, absolutely, and both of them on those albums that came out at that at those times, like obviously Stripped is a huge is literally a response to media coverage of her, and so Slave for You feels like lyrically literally it explores I may come off a certain way, but I'm actually this and I'm sexual in this way, and it almost makes me feel like that makes sense that Slave for You came out before before Dirty, because if they were already thinking we're gonna

take Christina in a more overtly sexual direction, and then Brittany came out with slave for you. They were like, all right, well, we gotta get the hens from the henhouse, we gotta get pigs in here, we gotta make sure that everyone's who can spit in someone else's mouth in the background, Like it was like it was like a Petri dish mama, and like because because they were in

competition with each other. Meanwhile, you've got Jessica Simpsons over there being like Jesus Christ is one of my best friends, Like why my god. I just have to say there was a period of time even in college like two thousand, shoot that I mean, but it was end of high school into college, but two seven into like two leven when Them Fatale came out, that I was that Brittany was my number one even even before Gaga at the time. It's you know what's funny like that that through line

is very followed. It's like Brittany Gaga for people, it's really funny. But even but even for me, it was like, um, it was just that like me having this loyalty to her because of all she had been through and I and I was following the conservatorship bullshit when Blackout came out because I was like, this is an incredible album. Like even in high school, I was like I would like turn my my friend Emily Nupper and I'd be like, wait, this album is incredible. Every song is amazing. What's going on?

Isn't it so sad that she's going through what she's going through? She can't promote it. They give me more video is whatever. And then like that Summer Piece of Me came out or whatever, that Winter Piece Ofdney came out and then she won the v m A. But I was just following her life so closely. I was on the message boards. I would never post on them, but I was on Breathe on me dot com, which was like the main Brittany Spears like new so I

was I'm telling you daily. I was following up on the Brittany news and everyone being like I remember like before Tale was announced, it was like all of all of like the insiders are saying, it's blackout two point out, it's blackout two point out, And that was like the like, if they're a fellow like Britney Spears fans out there of that time, who can confirm this, please like give a shout out on Twitter or something, because I remember

when fem Fatale. Before the title came out, everyone was like, it's it's blackout two point out. It's like club bangers and honestly, fem Fatale amazing album. Till the world ends. Hold it against me. I want to go? I want to go is joke? Um big lace on that one leather and laces circus like like you understand, Like I don't think you know this that well about me? No, I know that you're a Brittany boy. I love Brittany. I love Brittany so much. What's your favorite music video? Goo,

I mean, I think her. I think one of the best music videos of all time is Toxic Toxic. I think that Toxic is one of the best pop songs of all time. I think it's one of the best music videos of all time. I will never going, just going era by era. I think like I loved obviously, maybe one more Time is maybe one more Time and it is synonymous with pop perfection, and it is synonymous with the birth of Brittany and then moving forward, I loved Off, I did it again. I would listen to

Lucky Time. I love Lucky In fact, when we used to do like Henry and I said at at Um at the two plus, I would sing Lucky all the time. I love Lucky, Lucky needs like a renaissance. Lucky needs a renaissance. That music video just so good her hair and that music video as Lucky, I remember, I remember that was when I was at the age it was

nine years old. Radio Disney was the ship we didn't it was it was still terrestrial radio times and I would listen to that would I didn't know how to buy it offline where parents went and let yes by the CDs because they were like Britney Spears is too sexy even like growing up, but like if my sister snuck in or somehow convinced my parents to buy Baby Warm more time and did not have the second album, did not have Brittany um in the Zone we bought in China and then black Out I bought my because

I was in high school by then. But anyway, yes, Lucky, okay, keep going so for then going forward, it's like my favorite album of her. I kind of didn't love Brittany the album like I just thought it was it was not the first two. But that being said, like there's great stuff on there, but my favorite Brittany album when I of that time of her in the Zone. Was in the Zone, I mean for me, I loved breathe on me. I loved my hand, touch of my hand, I loved I even love Outrageous. I loved Outrageous. I

loved um what I got that boom boom, outrageous. Outrageous was supposed to be um the fourth single or the single the single that ended up getting cut, the single that is supposed to be out after every Time, which every time incredible. Oh my god? Wait did we used to say that when we were going so we would be like, oh my god, yes, that's almost And obviously

talk stickers on that one. And I loved that and also that every time every time, I'm telling you the music video for every Time, Brittany, it's it's the most artistic, like sort of like film music video, but she's giving you a really fucking good performance. Yeah. She was great. Stephen Dorf so hot in that video in the Zone. Incredible album top to bottom, truly, that was that was

like Imperial phase Brittany to me. Yeah, and I'll never forget that cover with that like blue pink like it was like I just like and I also loved it because it felt like she was the most excited, Like I felt like she had taken the time to like, by the way, this is the Brittany episode and that might be the time this is um, but for me, it's like that esthetic, that confidence. And then when I remember the first single was obviously me against the music,

which was her Madonna moment. And then that came with all of the bullshit with the v m as with them kissing and stuff, and again everyone threw everyone off, and like that was sort of like them understanding exactly what the media was gonna do when they gave me that, and who is the provocateur original than Madonna to like do that with Madonna, do that with Brittany and featuring Christina because she really got the shaft in terms of coverage on that one cut to Beyonce and justin they

cut to Justice then, but then Beyonce the next day or that the that week in the media was like I am disgust. I was disgusted. I was disgusted, which we have to say. And also the fact that there talk about another one that's always been here beyond um. But anyway, like when that was all going down, like I remember me AGAs the music like I did not Love as a first single, and then when Toxic came out, I was like, oh, get it. The James Bond strings the video. How many cuts there are in the video

like that, It's like a comic book. That song I just remember felt like I felt like art in a way, everything if it felt like pop, songs like that felt like art. Also, I want to shout out the song don't let Me Be the Last to Know, a rare Brittany ballad, which I love, and she performed that on SNL Live she did. But don't let Me Don't let Me Be the Last to Know? Is that was a long time ago. That was upscited it again? That was Upsite did it again? It was not on in the Zone.

But I didn't want to. I didn't want to be going through and not say that song because I do love that song. And then in the later years times sometimes sometimes the music video for sometimes when they're just all in white and just like the crop tops Mama, so beute. I mean, like what that like evokes a feeling, you know, absolutely like at the time you're like, this is what love is, and it kind of is a beautiful love song. Sometimes I run, sometimes I hide. Sometimes

I'm scared of you. But all I really want it's a time bridge. Just hang around and you'll say there's nowhere around a be ma. Just I'm like so bad today. But anyway, um, that song was unreal And also you know what I think could be a hit right now? What Stronger? Oh yeah, I was stronger right now. I think it would kill. That is a sleigh and a half. I mean Peppermint, Like with the reveal of Season nine finale, that was stronger right, like unbelievable, like it matched, it

almost matched. I would say that like like it's like emotions, like so emotional with with like but I'm saying like they didn't match completely. But it's like in terms of like huge pop songs like that like are built for moments like that, like oh my god, it doesn't get it done, and it's it's like you would you would forgive an album that only had that one hit on it, like but it was like it was, yeah, oh my god,

unreal and then moving through time like Blackout. Blackout is so great, I mean like for me, like I think honestly, one of her better albums of all time is Glory which I just came the production on Glory. Yeah, why you laugh. I feel like Glory, between you and me and our friends has been this like punchline but actually not a joke. We like all keyed into do You Want to Come Over? Recently one of the most important

songs of all time. It's actually one of the most important songs of all time, and I dare I challenged the reader right now to put on do you Want to Come Over? By Britney Spears from the album Glory, her latest most recent album that came out like what like five years ago now it came out. There was a re release that came out right, I'm sure because it was like a money grab because she was like, I'm not making music anymore until my dad's off the conservativeship.

They're like, well, we still gotta make money somehow. Anyway, Um, do you want to come over? Put that on? And if it and walk around in a circle and if you are not like skipping and getting your fucking life to that song, honey, you ain't human. They need to do that as a lip sync on drag Race and you know who I think would have killed it, like for some reason. No, the entire well yeah, because she

would kill everything. But the entire of Season ten, I was like, I hope we finally get do you want to? Do you want to Come Over? The lips sting so Aquaria could do it because I think Aquario would kill do you want to Come Over? And I bet she

knows it? And and on that album, I also really like this single which was make Me, and also this which which nick Me and just if you literally just like smoke a little weed, lay on your back, like and just put on the album Glory, just starting with track one invitation, like the production will fuck you up if you get some good here, good good headphones and play the album. It's really good. And she is right there, she's she's there. And Slumber Party with to Nach excellent,

excellent and music video actually too. Yeah, And I do love Private Show. Private Show is fun. It's it's so like it's but slumber Party with Tona, Like it's reminiscent of the Boys music video where they're just it's a long table and like they're both like crawling towards each other. It's like really fun. Um Circus I think is fantastic. Circus is amazing. What's her favorites on Circus because there's some butt if you see gave me. I'm so glad they did it on drag Race this season did not

only really really really fucking delivered. I think that is one of her underappreciated music videos where she is kind of giving you corio. It's the most Corey that she'd given more Corea in that that she'd given the Circus video, I would say. And she's doing like fun corea and it's just her like in this like gross house in the morning after a party, but she's like giving you fun little moments, and then she gets dressed and like

turns into a housewife. And then there's like little like easter eggs where like her daughter, and the end of the music video is in the baby warmer time outfit, and it's like she like has to present herself as this like all American woman and while all the paparazzi are are like flashing her cameras outside and she's and she's just like she's giving you a really good performance star quality, like you can teach this, Like yeah, she's one of the best music video music video pop star actresses.

Like she is up there. So she's such a star. I mean, she's a star. She's so watchable. That album has. One of my favorites that doesn't get talked about enough is Kill the Lights and also Killed Yeah, Lace and Leather and I love um uh. Blur is great. I can't remember what I did last night and everything everything is do there and then Radar the only song to beyond two different albums. Yeah, do you do you have

any information on why that was? I think they wanted to like make that like a full single from black Out, but they were like, this song is too fucking good, you have to put it on circuits. And then they shot a music videofore where again Britney's turns into really good music video performance, like during the bridge where she's just like, you know, she's she's just at like a Derby or something, and she's in this giant sun hat and she is like really giving it to you, and

I'm like, what a star? What a star? Okay, sorry, this it really is the Brittany episode. Okay, moving on, we completely we completely did not even about Brittany Jean, which has I'm not skipping it, but I feel like we talked about Glory and I just wanted to say that and I know you love this song even though it's like perfume. So wait realtical and by draw anata, have you a little bit to think? You about me? We need Patty Harrison to cover it. Yes, it is

a Patty hair. If she doesn't cover it, she's done. She's done. I mean, it's not it's not a great album. It's probably her weakest between Brittany Jean and Pemptal was when she did um uh Scream and Chot with William which is truly like a camp classic to me. But it's just her in a Britta in a crazy British accent, chanting in the set, and this whole era was weird. This is when she went on X Factor. This is when I started to feel like, what is going on?

But she was. It seemed like she was having fun. I seem like she was having fun on X Factor. I don't know. Till the world ends. There is a different cut of the music video where it's the choreography at it the choreography cut, and it's phenomenal. I might launch it tonight. Oh my god, it's true. That is an incredible fucking song. Brittany is one of those ones where you could fall into a YouTube wormhole and just park it. Just park it, because let let the playlist

guide you, let the automated playlist guide you to park it. Yeah, it's really truly, I mean not, I mean even Brittany Gean is like, if that's the weakest album, which I would agree, it still has songs that I really enjoy. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, well okay, and then Feminitile this is the last thing I'll mention them. Fatale has two

songs that are from um, the producers of Toxic. She had like not worked with them until them fatal again, Um, how I Roll and Tripped Your Heart like excellent songs that are just like beautifully produced, really like wonderful, wonderful, wonderful songwriting. I don't know, I just like and how

so good, so good. Okay, we can we can move on now and talk about miss Wendy Williams Shall It's it's it's just such a it's such a downgrade because it's you know what, it's it's almost interesting that they both had documentaries come out. I mean, Britty had nothing to do with hers obviously, and Wendy executive produced hers, which should should mean you watch it with a raised eyebrow because the subject is also the ep um, which is,

you know, definitely a vibe. But it's like you're talking about someone who has been the focus of so much bloyd gossip and paparazzi minded, you know, the celebrity consumption of it all, and then literally someone who rose to the traitor doing that. I mean, we're not over if here. Being like, Wendy Williams is an incredible person. She is

one of the best memes of all time. Okay, I mean she's she's given us a lot, but she's also given us a lot of like truly soul crushing, lye dark moments where she'll side with she'll side with sexual predators or whatever, or she'll like blame victims of assault when meanwhile she is also herself a victim of assault.

It's it's just twitch, I mean, but this is like the cycle of assault sometimes is that Like it just it like makes you think that, well, other people should also go through the same thing I went through in

some cases. I don't want to speak on Wendy's behalf, but it feels like there's something being cycled through when she's talking about someone else who is a victim of Yeah, you know, I'm always nervous watching her, not because I feel like not because I feel like, um, I'm nervous about her delivering anything or I've never, never, never worried

about her landing the plane. But I just feel like she's so often wrong, She's so often incorrect, and I'm like, I am not out here saying that I'm like the fucking bearer of the truth all the time, Like I've been wrong on this podcast all the time. But but she is, like she's got such a huge platform, and like the way that her audience will just agree with

everything she says. I'm like, there, this is a tough this is a weird thing because she does hold some odd positions and she is problematic a ton of the time, and so she'll say this ship and the whole audience will just be like yeah, yeah, absolutely, and you're like, wait what. And I do respect her because I think you have to respect someone who is created an empire like this. And I don't know, like, has she been harmful towards people? Yes, um, I think that I think probably.

I don't know, I'm not in her head, but I would imagine a lot of the Whitney stuff probably keeps her up at night. I don't know that even I don't know that it does. I think she she was very upset when when Whitney passed. Of course she was upset when Whitney passed. But like she she kind of in the documentary even like uses that as a point

of like. That was one of my proudest moments was that Whitney interview when we caught her on we we got her on tape when she didn't know she was being on tape, and like we had Wendy like talk about crack and talks. It was just like, oh, wait, you might have some remorse about the way that you specifically like broke some seals on the one on the Whitney Houston like conversation and the zygeis. But you also

are brandishing that as like a point of pride. Yeah, you're saying that it was an achievement that as a result of your involvement with her, people found out about her drug abuse. Yeah, it's I don't know, it's tough. It's tough. You don't know about that one. I'm gonna gonna have to think on that one. You're gonna have to think on that one gonna you're gonna have to consider that one. Did you end up watching the biopic? I didn't. I couldn't really get through the biopic, although

um uh, that actress is phenomenal. She was great, and so I think you watched the documentary and I watched the biopic, and that was the way Lost Cold was going to cover this. Um. I did try to watch the documentary, but I could not take any more Wendy Williams content after the biopic. It was just too much. Um. Sierra Payton, who plays Wendy Say, does a great performance. Like she she manages to be grounded. And this is

my take on the whole Wendy of it all. It's like with the biopic, it's like she's gone through so much real shit, like she was raped. Um, her husband was like you know, philanthroper, Like you know, it was not easy for her professionally. You know, she like one thing after another, and it's so it's so funny to watch all this real ship happened to her because she is such a caricature. She's like a heightened cartoon. It's like watching a biopic about bugs Bunny. You find out

about his bankruptcy. You know what I mean. It's like, it's like I'm with this person, and thank god they got a great actress to play her because she was able to ground it. Because it's literally like watching a biopick of a cartoon, but she's able to ground it. I mean, but are we like venturing into dangerous territory by like dehumanizing Wendy Williams. The person may being like she's a cartoon character when we're like we should like we should we did that to Brittany. I'm not saying

it's the same. I'm not I'm not drawing that Equivalencyeve, But I'm just saying, like, are we are we justifying any sort of like treatment or conversation around Wendy Williams. I think that Wendy Williams knows that she has created a persona which is how you do it, which is all these things, which is you know, and she she you. They show in the bio biopic like she went out of her way to get huge tits. She wanted to

walk into every room and everyone say, there's Wendy. Like she created a larger than life persona and she embodies that all the time. So when I say it's like watching a biopic of a cartoon character, what I truly only mean is her persona is so good, yes and so and so much of what she is known for is like I mean, And this is another thing. It's like when you when everyone saw her in the Statue

of Liberty Guiche and she fainted. If you if, if you're as the viewer, if your only thing you thought was, oh, I hope she's okay. Good for you, bitch, but I

guarantee you left, guarantee you left. And if you didn't and you're in denial about it personally, for me, you can go fund yourself because I think you're a liar and I think that you're trying to just say about the fray re the whole well, I never thought it was funny what they did to Brittany shut up, like genuinely, because there is comedy when it comes to Wendy Williams's state of being, like she is larger than life on purpose. It's it's of her own mad like that. Yeah, I don't, Yeah,

that's interesting. I mean, like her like lighting a slim gym on fire and like having that be like a like a recurring bit where she's like, I'm a foodie and she's eating like a slim gym like I like early days Wendy Williams. I was like, I'm with this person. She is great and yes, she's such an icon of the radio, and she has all these amazing interviews and she's like the Howard stern of of like she's like

a female Howard stern Um. And then on the show it really became and I'm so glad and they they actually touched on this moment in the documentary. The omar Rosa interview was like the first or second week of the show, and like you've seen most of us, I have seen it. They were together, they were great together, but but they touched on a moment where like a switch in Wendy flips when omar Rosa says, you know,

it's interesting seeing you on TV. I feel like you've lost a little bit of your edge, but maybe this is a new Endy. I like that. I like that, and the people in the orange like boom, boo boo, and then they cut back to Wendy in her face drops and I think from that moment on she was like, oh, I'm not gonna be like Ellen, I'm gonna be a fucking I'm gonna I'm gonna do what I was doing on radio and just be this like persona that people will have a strong reaction to one we or the other,

because that's how she that's her bread and butter. Yeah exactly. And then from then on, like the ship took off and and like yeah, I mean her like she she did become this character. So okay, I I I understand what you're saying about the bugs bunny thing, and yes she is like it is like it is true and like her being in a statue of Liberty costume and fainting is on some level, she has to love that she featured it in the film in the bio. It was literally the clip that they showed to like promote

the movie. She knows, she knows that there's something about this that is unusual and not and there's something comedic about it. Like I've seen interviews with her promoting it where they'll be like showing where here's a clip from the thing before we do the interview, and it's that clip and then they go, please welcome Wendy Williams and she comes out smile on her fucking face, you know what I mean, she knows she's an EP of the movie, Like again, she is in control of this product. Well,

it's it's that that is the thing though. It's like at that point, you are your own PR agency, you are your own PR person, and like there's a skill to that, and there's something to a gain from that, but there's also that's also scary. That's also like, oh heay, You're you're selling yourself as the product of something which is as as just a product. And I don't know,

I mean, but we love Wendy so much. I mean, she's given us, she's got a point, she's a point, she's an icon, she's a legend, and she is the moment. Now come on now. And the thing is too it's like I understand, I say, like I'm a little bit nervous to watch it because because I'm always wondering what she's gonna say. That's kind of the point, you know what I mean, Like, no one's going to watch Wendy

Williams for the news. You're gonna watch many ways because you want to know what Wendy has to say about items in the news. Like you don't look you don't watch how topics to understand really what's happening with She's down. She's giving it later. She's not vox dot com. Yeah, she's giving a take. She is a commentator in a way.

And you know, we did her interview at vultrafs when Vultures honored her, and she was very quiet, very quiet, very just very not closed off, but she was just like kind of like just just maybe just like a little disoriented that day. I don't know, I mean that was right in the middle of the Kevin and I

thought about that, um in watching the stuff. I was like, wow, this was really right around the time when Bowen and I met her, because that was and then like all that ship went down in the fall or the summer in the fall of that year. Yeah, and it was just like and she I don't think she mentioned Kevin Hunter, but she mentioned Kevin Jr. Her son um and how much she loves him, and like it was really kind of it was kind of a snooze of an interview.

And that's probably on us because we didn't ask you the right questions maybe, but um, well we were, I mean we were kind of it was it wasn't like you can ask any questions you want. Of course it had Oh yeah, because we did. We did. It was vetted, you know. Wasn't like Matt and bow and interviewing her.

It was like us for Vulture interviewing her. It's just so funny to think I remember that moment and don't to go back to the Britney documentary, but remember that moment when Felicia like the assistant, such a fun character, such a fun lady, sweet woman. I remember her from back in the day the special. I remember her on like Brittany driven right right right, but like she holds up that photo of the two of them in Times Square, like when like when like before, like like when Brittany

was like signing the record deal. It's like, oh, like to get like like I haven't seen like a Brittany photo of her as a teenager before fame, just being like a regular girl, a tourist in New York City. She's a girl from Louisiana coming to visit the big city. And I was like, God, there's something so like just so precious and like lovely and like, oh God, like I like I wish that little girl like was was in I'm sure she is and there she was still but it's like, oh, like, this poor girl is in

for the right of her fucking life. It's like early often the word that gets used for Brittany, and I think we even used it in this episode as the word tragic, And I never like to say that word when it comes to her or anyone, because there is a finality in the word tragedy, because that, by definition of tragedy is something that ends in a death, and I feel like or ends poorly. And it's just like, we don't know how the Brittany story is gonna end.

And you know, uh, it feels lame and weird to say this, but you hope that at least as a result of this documentary, more people can become aware of the situation that she's in and that we do need to pashtag free Brittany, and that this is a serious problem and we do owe this woman that attention and that care because she did give us so much and she would still be if she felt safe to do that.

And um uh you see, like even on Instagram, like she still has the desire too fun, be fun and play and entertain and I just hope that this is not um the chapter that like is one of the final ones when it comes to Brittany not saying anything is going to happen to her, but that she wouldn't perform anymore because I do believe she wants to, and I just really want the stuff to get figured out, and I wish the best for her, and I I send all my love as I'm sure you do as well.

I send my love. I send my love. And also, wait, I just wanted to say, it's so funny because we're talking about the Vulture thing, like after you got the job at us to know, like I kind of kept doing that. I went to Sundance to cover it for Vulture and you know who I met there? Who? Armie Hammer? Oh my god, girl, what have we There's nothing that we can there's nothing for us to really add the to the Army Hammer conversation. Well, no, what do you add on to it? There's there's nothing to add on

to it but Armie Hammer. I remember the Social Network had just come out. And then I went home for Christmas that that year and I was in Aurora, Colorado, and I went to the rec center where my parents have a membership, to go like work out and no one was there, but there was a guy in a baseball cap and this like thin beautiful woman doing a little tour walk around with like the manager of the place where someone and I look over it was like that's that guy from the Social network who played the

Winkle Boss twins. Wow, And I was like, wait, but what would he be doing in suburban Denver, Like he's not from And I literally googled him while he was standing like twenty ft away from me. This is such a boring story, but I just like googled him when he will he was like twenty ft away from and he's like, yeah, you know, he's from like he's like from like this, he's this like he was born into wealth and he's from like this part of the country,

and he's he wouldn't be here. But then, like I later figured out he was dating this woman who was from my hometown, and I'm like, wow, like what what are those what's that story? Now? I'm like I'm thinking about at all through the lens of his all of his past lives, because I also remember that BuzzFeed article that came out Busfeed News article that came out that was kind of this opinion piece on like it was in an opinion piece. It was just this feature, why

have we given this man so many chances? This is when calling me this was wh't calling me by your name? Came out and I was talking about like the lone Ranger and it was talking about like he kind of kept flopping. Yeah, he kept flopping over and over and over again. And it was just like, what is Hollywood's obsession with? Well, he's hot, this white, and he already was incredibly rich, right, and the article like accounts for all that, but it was also like, but he doesn't

have the star quality. It's like he's not a box office to draw, like, he's not like and Hans is saying Hollywood is desperate for a leading man, same reason. Sam Worthington had a bunch of roles in a row. Yeah, right, like who cares. But it's like it's these people who are like, wait, but you actually no one gives a shit about you, because otherwise we'd be going to the movies. You're not like, yeah, you can't really make someone a sensation, Like, yes you can. You can shove them in front of

everyone's faces again and again and again. But it's like with Britney Spears. It's like Britney Spears was a born star like she and and talk about coming from no advantage, you know what I mean. She was born in Ka, Louisiana, which is tiny, and it was by sheer talent that she made as far as she made it. Meanwhile, like, and this is something I'm wanna say that's maybe a little controversial, but old money are into weird ship. Like That's why I wasn't surprised at all. Want to heard

about this kind of room. It feels insane to say out loud, but I was like, well, you know, it's like any old institution, Like that's weird ship there. Like if you were going to tell me, hey, just so you know, one of the probably top twenty actors in Hollywood is accountable. If I'm looking at a list, I would pick him knowing nothing. And then when he is only an alleged accountable at this point, and I wish the episode could be titled Alleged Acountable, but it can't. No, no, no,

We're we're not gonna make it. We're not going to just deed title. Just just give the title from Han says, I'd go with Robby mollock. Wow, I don't know about that guy. He's more vampire to me than cantable. That makes sense, Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. Um, I mean I don't know. Also good point. It's good point. Hans has good point. It was so here crazy to hear about that. And apparently this week there's more coming out and like w M E and his publicist dropped him.

This all sort of broke out on like doma, like Instagram, tabloids. But now there's actual reporting that's going to come out over it, like with like interviews and like sources and all this stuff where it's going to be like, oh wow, this is gonna be this is gonna be like you know, it's like when terrible example, but it's like when the Luis d k thing dropped on New York Time, the New York Times it was and that was that's what made it like official gave a validity, right, and gave

it validity. I think if that's what's about to happen, we're about to have that so and we should say that hasn't happened yet. And also it is a little odd for us. In the same episode, we're like they were so unfair to Brittany to be like, well, we heard this, we heard Army Hammer is accountable, but the fact is we haven't heard the case. And I was honestly, here's what I'd say. Do not smoke weed and then

Twitter search Army Hammer. You will you will feel crazy because what they're started to say now is truly dark and the d m s are really crazy. Before we move into um, well we'll Actually it's helpful to think about what the tabloid culture quote unquote is now and who is most susceptible to that culture in the way that Brittany was most susceptible to that, to the culture

as it was back then. The kind of person who is most susceptible to that culture now, I don't know if it is someone like Army Hammer, but like I'm trying to think of, like who is whose career is at a point where they are the most vulnerable to be sort of like exploited by like DM screenshots and ship like that. Well literally, white straight man would say them,

and that's how you know it's all funked up. It's because they'd be like to get us right now, and that's like Army havenerd be like I'm not responding to these bullshit claims. Mean while it's like no, dude, like there's like verifiable stuff coming out of you, you're obviously a freak, Like yeah. But but they answer to your question is it's always going to be women because think about what they did to Jennifer Lawrence, Like god, I could like that was crazy, Like when when when that

all happened? Anyway, Um, I wanted to ask you before we go into I don't think so, honey, what did you think of a big game? Honey? I thought the big game was kind of a kind of a true done, like we need to cool it with. I can't believe the amount of people on my on my on my instance who are like going crazy for Tom Brady. I'm like, you guys know his deal, right, Okay, that's I don't think so, honey, should do it all right, we'll do it now, We'll do now. This is I don't think so, honey.

This is where we take one minute to go off on something in culture and it's just something that's really chopping our ass. And Matt, you have something right, I can confirm that I do. This is Matt Rodgers, I don't think so hony as time starts now, I don't think so, honey, Tom Brady. I am so fucking bored of hearing about this man. It's been decades. We need to move the funk on from this guy, who is I'm sorry, but not even as hot as Shrek. If you put Shrek next to Tom Brady, I'm picking Shrek.

And also in the before photos the guy looks like a lot like Shrek. I don't think so, honey, that you are like, oh, I don't endorse Trump. I didn't vote for Trump. I'm just a friend of Trump's. What the fund does that say about dirt? You think it's gonna make me feel better, sweetheart that you didn't outwardly support Trump. You only are his close friend. Um, I'm sorry. That's a red fucking flag and Gizel your wife had to be like, don't talk about politics, just shut the

funk up. Fifty the most out of touch person in the world. I'm also so fucking sick of hearing about him. And now he's like fucking playing for the Buccaneers, which, by the work play is the gay or work for pirates. He was a New England Patriots disgusting. I'm so done with this type of person. I don't think so, honey, And that's one minute, thank you. Shrek is hotter, Yeah,

Shrek is way hotter than Tom Brady. And honestly, it's like, by the way, if there's a hot guy on the Buccaneers, it's Gronk, okay, And I don't want to hear about anyone that's not Gronk because actually, whenever I think of Gronk, I do immediately get hard. And that's something that alexamine. But the fact of the matter is like Tom Brady is such a massive celebrity and people are so fucking obsessed with him, and it's like, wait, hold on a second, no,

these people, these people are gross. It's it's on the chiefs that you have actual stars. Mahomes is a star, Travis Kelsey is a star and a verified nice person. Let's just say this, Um, here's who will hold the who. Here's who will stand the test of time, Colin Kaepernick. Here's who will not Tom Brady. He's gonna age like

Justin Timberlake. And also, I can't believe that people are just looking the other way with the trump of it all with him, because well, being a friend of Trump's is worse than anything else, Like being if you're a friend of Trump, that is worse than being a supporter. That is worse than being like if you're in his inner circle. This means a million dark things. Also, he definitely has endorsed Republican candidates over Democratic candidates. And he's

also threatened to run for Senate before. He's called it one of his grand aspirations. And that cannot happen, but you know it will. You know he's on some quman on ship. Doug Bam says, I don't like him personally, but he is the greatest quarterback of the shop. Doug, No, we don't care. We don't care to chime in on this. We're not We're not talking about the sport of football here. Your character as a person, Mama, her name was Doug Flutey,

Troy know it. Patrick Mahomes, You don't know anything about football. But I like Harck Holmes um that that was probably the extent of football players that I know. I know who Ticky Barber is, but he's not a quarterback. I believe he was a wide receiver. Um. And of course, Dean Sanders famously played uh Major League baseball and in the National football Um. But yeah, I couldn't fucking believe anything about the Super Bowl really, how packed the stands were.

Couldn't believe that. Uh, couldn't believe that. Tom Brady one again, I think it was it was seventy and it was just carboard cut ats. Is that true? A lot of them were carbonar cut ats. Oh okay, Well, all I know is it didn't It didn't look like I mean, it was terrified. It was terrifying to see it was like, oh my god, how many people is this? Yeah, I don't even know if that's true. I think there might have been a ton of people there. Yeah, Hans never mind,

never mind. Yeah, it didn't feel right to me. Also, like the whole stunting on them being like, by the way, we're giving two million dollars away to um and systemic racism. It's like, yeah, give Colin Kaepernick his job back. Okay, how about that. Let's fucking get it together and really reckon with the fact that y'all have been really slow on the uptake here and not just like here's a bunch of money. Though I am glad that that is a very large sum of money. It's just like, I

don't know, I'm still not a fan of it. And then everything they did with the messaging with um Jasmine Sullivan having to sing the national anthem with Eric Church, It's like, no, why don't you just let Jasmine do it? I don't need to see this fucking show of unity. And Hans wants to know what about the weekend? Um, we love able. Uh, it's a rule of culture. Only women should perform at the halftime show. Yeah, I mean I agree, or unless it's us, Unless it's us that, Yeah,

that's it. It should be us and maybe maybe Andy Samberg right Lonely Island halftime. I think that, Uh, a man can perform at the super Bowl. Prince did a great halftime show. Yes, we're talking about Hans. We're talking about in the current like PEPSI sponsored super Bowl halftime show. We're talking about female singers. Can I say something, I'm really not liking how much we're being challenged by our male producers. I'm not really I'm not into it. Today

was not that this is the Brittany episode. This is And although I do appreciate Anna's hot Epna's contribution, A ton of parties around the event of the Super Bowl. Yes, okay, disgusting, despicable, tampas trash. It felt whack And I saw your tweet about it too, and I agree with you. And the thing with the weekend is like, I mean, I understand that he is at that level that he could perform the Super Bowl. It's just like, never gonna be my vibe.

Though I did like the blinding lights apart. I mean it should have just been on the field the entire time. I didn't. I hated the stage in where he is in the fucking seats, you know, like if he he's by the scoreboard. I was like, get him out and get him out on the field. He could sing like a motherfucker. I almost didn't realize he had all that. Like, but he is like a supertendor, like he can really sing. Yes, yes, yeah,

he's great. But super Bowl I don't know anyway. Um, okay, So what the deal is is I usually go, then there's usually some conversation, then Bone goes, and so that is I guess we're sort of following that tonight. So this here, my friends, is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey. And as time starts, now, I don't think so, honey, anyone who is disgusted had to turn it off. Made it a crazy faced at my don't think so any last week about toe nails, bitch, I have never ever

ever been so angry at a response. You have no right to be truly like pearl graspy, pearl clutchy about this if you are to. And my my sister Matt Rodgers was on my side in the end, don't say wow my face My face was Matt's face the entire time ended up siding with me being my girls saying if you, if you, if you are just truly like shocked at this, you are not confronting your own humanity.

And this is all I have to say. I have no articulate point to make except to say, how dare you do not make me not to feel disgusted or like these habits are bad. It's fine, we all have these fucked up I'm Billie Eilish, I am the emo princess saying you are as dark as I am, and you are denying your darkness and your humanity by by saying that I'm the weird one, that I'm billy. I'm Billie Eilish, that's one minute plus. Um that to say to end it with you saying, I'm Billie Eilish, Now

it makes sense. I feel like now you've are in the respect because they just didn't know that. But with you sayce being billy, you want to eat your groure flavored toenails, which, by the way I looked at it, I didn't want them. It does mean you may have a fun guess I did look it up. It does mean you may have a fungus, but I do do. Millions of people so do I. But apparently, um, I think that you're gonna sort of you're gonna see the response sort of softened because you've now expressed that it's

a part of your artistic sense ability. It's like it's like Billie Eilish, like you know, slurping this alive out of her in Visilene. It's like, guys, we are all human beings. We are all like sacks of ship, so true, we're meat bags. We're meat bags, and like, don't deny your body, your your your your body horror disgusting like tendencies. You know, that episode was no, that was body horror. It was body hart. That whole episode was body horror.

When I listened back to UM the discussion of the live birth, I could not believe that that that episode was body and I had someone to reach out and say they had to pull over to throw up a pregnant woman. Oh my god, I have to we have to publicly apologize. We're so sorry. We really we triggered the pregnant woman so much that she had to pull over in her car to throw up. And she she got on and she was like, it's literally fine, but I want because it happens all the time. But I

did want you to know that this did happen. And I was like, I mean, I completely understand. I very nearly threw up and we were talking about it. So we're very sorry. We apologize to anyone else who threw up. Yeah, but I mean, trust me, if you're if you're reading the news lately, it's a lot about accountableism, so not a lot of ways to escape the body horror as of late, there is a body horror trend anyway. Yeah, So before we go, I just wanted to UM check

in with you. Um re your television watching what what What? What? Should everyone will be watching along with you right now? I've really fallen off. I'm just watching one division. I just finished season four search Party, which I thought was fantastic. I season. I heard they might get another season. Who knows. We're waiting to hear. But there's an episode with that focuses on Shantal with her bottom clear. Mcmialty's character Alia

was incredible. This Ali was incredible. This season. Cola Scola was incredible season. I mean seeing Cole play opposite, seeing Cole play opposite and Jon and Susan Surrandon, I was just like, this is fucking this, this is what um. I mean, they did such a good job. And then I just had to look up this actress is today because there's an actress in the Shantal episode. Uh, Lilias White. Oh,

Lilias White is a Tony Winner. She she plays Jessie in the dream Girls concert version that I always tell you about, right, Lilias White, she's one of the music in Hercules, but she has this role in this episode Party season four that I think is the funniest she is. So I texted Charles. I was like, she's an icon. I was, I was idiot, like, I don't know, I don't know. I should I should know my my dream

Girls and my Tony's better. But I texted Charles, I was like, who's that actress who was playing this woman Wilma character will featured actress Tony Winner for the Life in the nineties. Yes, I texted Charles. I was like, I feel like I should know this this actress, but she's incredible and she's making me Ga fall like who is that? And Charles was like, oh, it's Lily's. I was like, oh, right, right right, And she just is phenomenal. I just laughing thinking about some scenes with her. Truly

phenomenal and Claire McNulty incredible. Everyone, I mean, Meredith Hagner, I'm not just saying podcast, Meredeth Hagner, John Early, John Reynolds, Rebecca Robles, our story. I was justa I was like, everyone was like, do you know Rebecca Nko was asking me, and I was like, yeah, She's incredible. She always was. She was always she always was, and she's so multi talented. She was doing she was doing hair, and she was like she was And just I'm just truly like a

beauty search party that were you ever on it? I was, I've never been on it, but you you you are in the Search Party universe. Yeah, I'm I'm in the SPU. Um. But that was one of those shows where it was like, you feel like, not like a rite of passage, like not like a Lauren order. It was like a Lauren order for Common. It was just kind of like like Pat Regan is so funny, Paths amazing, Joel and Metra amazing,

and season three. Yeah. Yeah, but it did feel good to like get to be on it because it did feel like in that in that universe, I'm like a complete entertainment fashion commentator. Um, it's what are you watching? I literally, I mean I told you and I pitched to Bowen earlier. I was like, you know who I would love to have on the show, Um, Tiana Paris,

who is playing Monica Rambo in One Division. I've just fallen in love with her and watching interviews UM about the show because she's so excited, like and because her character becomes like her character in the comic books becomes like Captain leads the Avengers, and um, it's really fun and I love her on the show and I'm obsessed with the show. I watched it all the episodes again last night. It's great. I'm picking up on more things now.

I like obsessed with Elizabeth Olson. I love Paul Bettany, I always have UM and Catherine han As, I think the best actress ever, ever, ever. I'm so in love with that woman. I just don't think I have ever once seen her be even close, not even not even never seen her be bad. I've never even seen her be okay, I've only ever seen her fucking nail that.

She is exactly my favorite type of actress. Who Um, She's obviously led by her joy and I think she's always fun and she's always making it fun for herself, and that she's a great scene partner. And I just I get such good vibes from the whole cast and One Division. What they did at the end to the last episode I loved because I love the actor. I love that actor that they revealed at the end. I love him. He's so fucking hot. Um, And I'm just

obsessed with the show. I love it. People people yelled at me because I said how much how much I love One Division and want to watch all the marvels, and they're like, it's military propaganda, and I'm like, y'all can't jump off a bridge with I never left at Brittany people, Oh, just get out of my life. It's like I think we said this last episode, or I

mean we said this like offline to each other. It's like my first Cat Dennings experience where I'm like, Okay, yes, I love Catdennings and then like yes, and I've always been like okay, Cat Dnings, but girl Catdennings is so good at this. I am l elling along with her. I love Catdennings. I think she had like the two broke girl stink on her, you know what I mean. I was like, oh, she's on like a CBS sitcom whenever she had to check Laurie stink on her, which

I mean, who are we to be? Like, who are we? I mean, so we would have the stink on us too, if yes, exactly? Um. And then I was to say that Katherine Hahn is the best part. And I know we say this every time each baby bring her up, but she is the best part of Stepbrothers, the best part of she I think she steals the movie from Will We're Sorry well, but in my opinion, my opinion, Katherine Han steals the movie from Will. From John C. Riley from Mr Adam Scott from Adam Scott. I just

she's the funniest fucking part of that movie. She is the best part of almost everything she's ever done. I'm not kidding. I'm upset, you know what I was remembering she was in Girls when she when she was the mother of the girl that Jessa was babysitting and she learning with her husband and she's like, look, and the way that her character handled that with her was like so good that I just I'm as I love her

in Bad Moms. I love her and when her talking and the best part of Bad Moms is her talking about uncut dicks, She's like, get to pull the skin over the cop like shel she would be incredible. Oh my god, I'm just I'm maybe we should get Catherine Han the Loves get Katherine Han the show. Well. Now it's so weird because like I'm watching so many interviews with the Marvel people and it's so clear they can't

say ship. But also I don't I don't want to ask her about I would, I would, I listen, I could ask I want to ask her about what she does every day, Like I don't care about you know, Agnes, my god, not that I don't care about, but I just care about Catherine Han more proper. Right, Well, we might have to do a Catherine Hahn deep dive someday. But UM, on that note, this we hope you've enjoyed this Britney Spears sort of symposium, two person symposium. Um.

And we talked about Wendy a little bit. We talked about Army. I think you really you know, checked all the big boxes Britney and then a little bit of a little a little little bit of Catherine had appreciation, which I'm good with. UM, and I think that here's the deal. Bowen and I we have mentioned a lot of Britney Spears songs, but I feel that one is the is the one to go out on. Okay, I don't know that you know. I'm wondering if me and

my sister can tell a kinetically connect right now? Yes, yes, yes, I think we can. She's lucky you sorry what you ki ki guys and lonely hard bacon if there's nothing listen to my why dude teams come at night? But what were you gonna do? You want to come over into that little touch we can be do next to nothing. Do you want to come over? Do you want to come over? You can listen to that song on one album, Bow Glory, good Bye,