"The Baby Is Retinol!" (w/ Keke Palmer)

Queen's co star. And then Ariana said, of course absolutely. Can we say something justice for Scream Queens because that show delivered every time? Yes, and it needs to be set and said out loud and projected. And can I stay with my full chest? You know who? Actually, when they were this is years ago, when they were first batting around the casting rumors for Wicked, I said, Kicky Palmer, because I've been saying Kiki Palmer literally for anyone's casting

list for years. Okay, I am for me, it's Kiki and then everyone else. I am so excited. I am going off. I literally I've been like doing around. I've been sort of pacing my apartment but my iconic Hollywood apartment just sort of walking around, stalking around so excited. I even watched Nope and the readers know that I don't do scary, but to know and it was one of my favorite movies of the year. Oh my god, I love you, I love you, I live for you.

It's giving you had vision, it's giving musical theater, it's giving all things. But let's just say, this voice that's coming from on high bone, who is it? And if you feel you must even even say some credits, then sure. But if you don't know who this person is, sorry to this man as they say, as they say, this is the thing. When you talk about this per person, it is like it's not even a list. It's a four dimensional sort of snapshot of time. Where you go,

oh my god, where to begin? You go, Okay, there's the acting. There's the film. There's the True Jackson VP. There's the Virgo Tendencies, there's the Lawrence. There is period, There's there's the cover of Man in the Mirror from Joyful Noise. There is t TV the Ye, there is absolutely the music video of hands Free. There is Yes, Gonna Do No Mama, Like you want to there is no featuring Joel Kim Booster our girl. There is all

the things there is Hustlers. Never forget hustlers, never forget Mercedes, and forget hercedies. Oh my gosh. I mean, we're so excited she's here. There's no better guests we could ask for, literally none. Everyone, Please welcome into your ears. Kick it from like a threat to our our readers, like one day we're gonna er, we swear, And now that the day is here, it's so exciting. You guys, I'm coming live from my closet, and you know I could not wait to come on this show. You guys are fair.

I'm just ready for us to get into it. Love. Yeah, I mean much to get into I mean when I tell you, like, I'm such a fan. But like then with Nope, I just watched Nope the other day because it took me a long time, because I I do get scared. But I've had a big horror weekend because I watched Nope. And also Megan Megan is the new girl storm in the theaters, and Megan I saw as well, Honey,

you did, I did? You can always catch me at the cinema, Love, I was there Opening Night because I love scary, you know I do, and also I love horror specifically, and you know it made me think about Chucky, you know, a little child's play. We're taking a little bit modern, you know what I mean. I'm here for an a I take over. I was there in the

theaters and it was absolutely hilarious. I love like a genre that also is satire at the same time, and when Miss Mama started playing on the piano, toy Soldier almost wept like that kind of that I'm looking for the cover of Titanium by Sea really took out that girl and that dance school choreographed who had Megan's hits. We didn't like that. She really had hips for a little girl doll. I mean, she was giving it was suggestive.

I was like, Megan, boh, and you gotta go. Well, I bought one of the first tickets in London to go see this movie. I'm seeing it Friday. By the time this episode comes out, I will have seen it and I will be able to join it in the discourse. Good, come on discourse talk about like horror satire. I mean nope, Now it is a like awards lauded performance and well deserved.

You like really really really killed that. And like I had heard so much about the movie and I finally got up to seeing it, and it actually really exceed in my expectations. Like it actually really called back to

one of my favorite movies, which was Jaws. This movie is Jaws in the sky in a way that I had heard but then only really could appreciate and watching it, and like, I mean, kudos, the movie is so great and I'm sure everyone that listens to this podcast has seen it, but like it's just tremendous that thrills me so much. I thank you so much. It's just been a crazy and amazing experience. First of all, just collaborating with Jordan was fatuous, Hoia Daniel Kaluya, I mean universal.

It's been a first class experience for me all the way around. Um, And so I'm just glad that people also able to enjoy the movie. And like you said, it has so many things going on in his genre, but it's also you know, it has satirical moments, it's funny, it has olds to all the kinds of films that we love. You know, Jordan's sprinkled in so many different references.

But at the end of the day, it's still is this story of this character overcoming, you know, like in Jaws, you know, the monster in the water and then the monster in the sky. So it is really it was great experience. It's such a clever movie about show business or about spectacle obviously, but like I mean, I had

heard is this true? Because I had heard from someone I forget who, but they were saying that, like, oh, did you know that Kiki delivered a different version of that beginning spiel about her, you know, Emerald and o J's family business, Like you gave a different version of that monologue every single take. Yeah, that's like the legend of it. And there's already there's already like such like a mythos about the movie, and it's like that that

is like legendary status. Oh my gosh, thank you so much. That gives me so much joy. You know, your girl comes to sit prepare, Donnie. I'm ready to do anywhere you want me to do it. So I definitely, you know, I'm your actors where it's like, if this is how they wrote it, I'm stipping to the name script and let's say tell me otherwise. But soon as Jorge told

me to have fun with it. Yeah, like we did it probably like six times normal and then the rest of the times, Like once he saw that I was gonna be improving, he was like, keep going, keep going, keep going, and just my little heart out. And so we just changing it up at the end, and that's when you know, you you get the little singing on the side. Like I just started just acting like a fool towards the end because he gave me the permission to do so. It was it was a lot of fun.

Did you get to go to Universal Studios and experience like the Nope set, like the actual Jupiter's Claim absolutely a you're talking about the one that they put up in there after we filmed. Yeah, which, by the way, to me, I did. I mean, I wonder how Jordan feels, because that apparently has never happened for a movie before its release. You know. Usually it's happens for movies after they already hit, you know, crazy numbers like for instance,

like Jaws or any of the reversal's classics. They have them there, but after the movie has already been a hit. So the belief that Universal already had a note to put that there like to give it that legendary status before it was even released. I know Jordan must have been through the Moon, but you know, for me to go there after we had filmed it and you know, it to be coming out, I really just felt like, man,

this is like really cool. I mean I've been acting now for about twenty years, almost over twenty years, and so for me, it's just like I keep having these great new experiences, um, you know, and now as an adult, so it's just like wow, I'm just so happy that I can keep, you know, this experience with my art and this medium can continue to get richer and richer.

It's so cool. I mean just to be a part of something that they immortalized like that and like a theme park sense, like the little kid in me and the adult now would be so gagged by that. I remember I went and it was like the Halloween Horror Knights. So it wasn't it wasn't even the tram rolling through. It was we actually got to walk through and it was characters from us and also nope, like you know, jumping out at you. So we actually got to walk

through Jupiter's Claim. And this is prior to me having seen the movie. But now I feel like I have to go back because I've now seen it and I know how Jupiter's claimed figures in and I got experienced it. But just to be in something that's like that big of an event that they immortalized in that way has to be like a crazy pinch me moment. It is, and I don't think you always really grasp it, you

know what I mean. Like I remember asking other people, you know, the same question, or saying, you know, wow, this movie, what was that experience like? And you know they would give me good sufficient answers, but I know now and being in that position like what they must have been thinking is like, you know what, it's just kind of like just glad and thankful and thrilled, you know, because here's this thing that you've been doing for all these years and all this time, and you know, you're

always looking to collaborate with different people. Obviously, Jordan Peels don't come around often, nor do Daniel cou So it definitely definitely feel a different vibe of just like, wow, I'm really working with some incredible talented people. But then at the end of the day, it's just like this is our craft. This is what we love and it's insane when people respond this way. But the truth is

we do it anyway, you know what I mean. I would be excited anyway, but the fact that there's this huge commercial appeal, Yeah, it's kind of the thing where you don't even really know how to process, you know what I mean. You sent such a nice gift to everyone at US and now all the week after you hosted,

and everyone was so happy to receive it. But then I read your note that you sent and I don't know if I don't know if you remember writing this, but you said something about my favorite thing in the world is to be part of a team, and thank you all for letting me be part of a team. Okay, I'm wondering, is this what is driving Kiki Palmer to do all of this stuff? Like truly everything You're in every corner, You're doing everything that can possibly be done

in front of the camera, behind the camera. It's amazing. Thank you so much. I do really love to be a part of a team. I don't know. Maybe it's the middle child and me. You know, I grew up one of four and so my family is also very like we're very inclusive when we're very like, we're together on this, and I think it's just built in me to know that you can only really get some great

things done when you do it as a team. And it also my parents come from theater, you know, even though I started out in film and TV, I think ultimately my heart and my foundation of loving, you know, entertaining comes from the theater. You know, it comes from the way they taught me, which was theater. And what are you doing theater? You you acknowledging, you respect your team, everybody doing this together. You know, we're all in it to look no pun intended, high school musical. We're all

in this together. So that I think that totally is um the heart of who I am as an entertainer. You know. It's a very vaude villain ask. It's very like, take me to the crew in the cast and let's round it up, let's get it. You know. So when I was doing as a now it really felt like I was at home, um, And I'm just happy to be a part of the cast in that way, because you know, it is a little bit of TV and it's a little bit of theater. It doesn't really get

much better than that. For me, you know what I mean. You get audience, you can do stuff with your cast and your crew. You still get do a little stuff in the camera, but you still get to be live and in the moment. You know, that's that's the magic. So I really love that experience and I love being able to be a part of you know you guys, family and an honor. And it reminds me and Matt

and I were talking about this the other day. It reminds me of you do increased lived love had never been Remember they gave you like a moment where the camera like circled you and you were giving the number, and I was like, I'm sorry, but this girl is stealing the whole show. And I had not changed the outfit on youall glasses, yes, crowd. That was such an

experience of a lifetime. And it's just funny because as a kid, I think the way that people described musicals, I would always be like, I hate musicals, you know, But then meanwhile I'm playing crying baby back and forth, like girl, you actually love musicals. It was like a trick that I would play on myself. And then as I got older and I started getting the opportunity to

obviously beat in musicals. I mean when I did Greece Live, I'm just like this is home, honey, i am here, I'm having I mean, me and Vanessa like we were live Vanessa Hudgeons Honey, she gives me live like I just lived for her. And we had so much fun filming us filming, yeah, filming and rehearsing because you know, the ain't think it's the rehearsing with one of those live event things, because once you do it, it's over.

So we spent months rehearsing and me and her, we would just show up to that sunset honey, laughing and cackling and just having our back kept of our lives. I mean, I don't always remember that. Oh that is about I mean talking about being part of a team too, because that also has the highest sticks of any live performance or any like you know high school musical moment of like it's time for the big show, but it's

like it's time for the biggest show. It's on television period. Yes, literally, and we were changing like stages, you know what I'm saying, Like that was one of the I think that was the time you know that that ever been done so we were really coming with some like crazy technical stuff. So I would just remember us running from stage to stage and getting in the golf carts and I mean, we live for it, honey, we live. It looked like so much fun. Literally y'all were in the golf carts,

the cameras were following you guys in between. It is so much fun. I loved it. And then just like the energy of Greece as a show is so energetic and up, like the way y'all just like had to leap until that last number like that we go together of it all like it's just not only was like high energy on screen, but also the audience has such a connection to that musical that like, for me, that was the best one that they ever did. I mean they like but you know what I mean, I know

exactly what you mean. The networks and they do feel very much so ominous in that way. Well absolutely when with Cinderella, because let's not forget we have we have a Cinderella in our midst we have a Broadway roll. So Cinderella was before Greece Live. Cinderella is actually what Mark Platte saw me do. That also made it really want me for Greece Live, which is why they had that.

You know, they really did specify that role for me because I'll be honest, you know, as a minority, you know, we get into the stage guys where everybody just wants a minority because it's like have the Gucci bag, child, It's like put them on Marty in it, you know what I mean. And so when they came, when they came to me with Greece Live, I'm like, no, guys, are you just trying to stick a minority in it because that's the thing to do, or like, what is

the point of this, you know what? And he was like, you know, the point is you're the only one that can do what we want to do with Marty. I saw you on Cinderella. I saw what you did on Broadway, and we don't want to do the Marty from the movie. We want to mix the Marty from the movie and the Marty with the musical. And we feel like what we can do with your number is something that I've

already seen you do. We want to do a transformation on stage, we want to do this and that, and so he's like, you're the only the reason why we want you. Yeah, it's great you're black, but it really is about the fact that you have the skills for the role um and so that really helped me because I really did come to him like that, and I really feel proud of myself doing that in hindsight, because you know, you gotta be honest. And I was just like, look, I don't want this to be like a tokenism type

of thing. I don't want to just be like we stuck the black witching, you know, like, let's make it happen. What's the point? And it was because my talent and so I really appreciated that, you know what I mean. And so, yeah, Cinderella is what he saw me do and that's what made him say she's our Marty. Yeah.

What I really wanted to talk to you about, like, and I feel like Bowen and I like sort of have to negotiate this more and more is it's like, when you show that you're able to host, and you show that you're able to act and able to sing and able to do so many things. Yes, it's like great because the opportunities come your way. But something I specifically wanted to ask you is how do you choose

what to do next? And how to let everyone know who you are out there that's watching in an industry that oftentimes is like demands you be really specific about your brand, like are you an actress? Are you a host? Are you a reality show person? Are you a singer? Are? But you seem to be all of those things in a way that not only is because you can do it, but because you choose to do it. And that can be sometimes kind nerve wracking, No, because yeah, the biggest

thing is is it sounds very flat. It's probably not enough. Is that I really do like doing all those different things, and it's based off of me giving myself diversity in my career, Like I feel like a truly an artist in this regard where it's like I like different mediums, you know what I mean, I can't do the same medium because I would really just boom blow my brains out. Like I love acting, but I don't always want to dive into a character so damn deep that I lose myself.

Sometimes I want to be me Kicky Palmer and give you all my crazy personality. Then other times I want to produce because I don't want to talk to none of you motherfucker's and then another time I might want to write because I really want to be removed from you'allasses, you know, or then I want you know. So it's like, but I but I can't step away from art because guys, it's literally what I live, breathe and think. Like It's like it's what keeps me going in my nights, you

know what I mean. Like I love artistry, Like I'm in the movies all the time, I'm you know, watching theater, I'm going to shows, like it's just what I live for. And so I think I started doing all those different things because of that reason. And I wanted to give myself diversity, and I wanted to be able to exercise other skills so that I wouldn't always have to be a performer in one particular way um or a performer

at all, you know what I mean. I do see a version of my life where I don't have I'm not performing every damn project that I do. You know, somebody else is starring somebody else's it's exhausting, and it's like I love the idea of being able to share what I've learned and given it to other young kids and young people out there that are trying to break into this industry. So you know it is hard, but I think you know you just gotta go with your heart.

I've always gone with my heart, and to be honest, a lot of doors were shut for me, and so I you know, me doing other things also was based off of, Hey, I gotta make a living. I gotta I gotta find something else, you know what I mean. I don't want to just be like acting is my only damn gig. No, I gotta be able to have another gig. And guess what I'm interested too, And so you can't be afraid. You gotta be doing it for the right reasons. I can guarantee you that I never

did something saying this will make me a star. You know, that's never You can never do Oh my gosh, that is like arrested for a disaster. It's always been well, what else can I do to stay in this space? What else can I add? How much more fun can I have doing something? Or what else can interest me? You know? What other direction can I go when it

comes to entertaining? Because I think it's confusing now to be in this culture where the messages are mixed, because either you hear that you should do a lot of things, You should be a lot of things to a lot of different people, or you should just stay in your lane. Like those are I think those are conflicting messages, right, But it's like what we hear how our generation is. And by the way, it's that way with our careers,

it's that way with our identities. It's that like everywhere in our lives, somebody is telling our assets to go left, and then somebody else is telling even in love love and hard, then the next rep love should be easy, baby, Which that I was gonna say that for you, Kiki, I feel like you're are and this is what you were saying earlier. Your art is the fact that you do all these things. Your art is that you can

do all these things. Is that fair? Yes? And what I was gonna say to you is that you know what, it's okay if everybody doesn't. We go through so many different things about how to be happy or how to be successful, and then somebody says, well, the trick is you gotta do a lot of things, and somebody else's the trick is you can't do too much. The trick

is to be yourself. Yeah, that's exactly right, I have a question for you, which is, so I've bet a lot of people would like observe Kiki Palmer in nature and be like, that's an extrovert for sure. How do you do you identify as a as a ten out of ten extrovert or are you more like what's unwinding for you? Like and do you need that? Are you? The truth is I'm tad of folks, I'm very much I'm very much an extrovert in terms of like, once I'm outside, I can't give y'all nothing to have ass

that's just not right, you know what I mean. So I become an extrovert just by demand, you know, it's what the people demand from me. So, and it's been since I was a kid, and before I was an entertainer. I just felt like we gotta peck this ship up around here. So my energy would always become extroverted and I would give in that way. That's like what birthed

me as an entertainer. It's just kind of like, how yes, but when it's time to get real, I don't want no one, like genuinely, I'm in the house for real, and I don't want like I literally just have to realize that I don't really like a damn resort honestly because I don't want to see nobody, you know, I don't want to see you, talk to you nothing. Like I've realized that vacation for me is like the best vacation is me in a trailer somewhere out isolated. Like

that's like to be around people that much. Isn't that crazy? How you can be so extroverted but then so introverted at the same time. And you know what's funny. I didn't even realize it until the pandemic. The pandemic came through and I was I was like that kind of person. That was like, especially when I lived in New York, if there's not six things a day on my g COLT, I feel like a failure. I would go to bed, shut my eyes and be like, well, tomorrow, maybe maybe

I'll do something. Then the pandemic happened, and because we were forced to sit around and do nothing, I realized like, oh, it's not that I was being unproductive at like five things six things a day, It's just that like I was used to going too hard. And then when I sat around a little bit, I was like, wait, am I an introvert and I don't think that's true. But what I realized is it's actually okay to literally turn all the way off and that's beneficial to life. Literally,

I think it's really beneficient to life. Really, I think it's been a visible but for both. Like if you're somebody that's extremely introverted, I think it's been efficient to get out a little bit. And if it's somebody that's extremely abstroverted or has a tendency to give a little bit more in the company of others, even with you know, so just subconsciously you kind of fill the space, you know, with that you're trying to you should take a break sometimes,

you know what I mean. It's okay to be in the house and to actively create scenarios for you to kind of just like be alone. You know, there's a difference between being alone and be and lonely. Just because you're alone doesn't mean you're lonely, you know what I mean,

Just because you're lonely doesn't mean you're alone. I think we treated like skincare because literally it's this thing where like the daytime routine is you're getting ready to go outside, you're protecting yourself from like all the elements of the outside world. The nighttime routine is you're recuperating and you're recovering internally so that like by the time you wake up, you're like fully refreshed. It's like that kind of thing where it's like the barrier has to be like maintained.

The barrier has to be like upheld and safe. The balance has to be kept. The balance has to be kept. Speaking of skincare, okay, Kiki, First of all, congrats, you just want a New York Film Critic Circle Award for Best Parting Actions for no congratulations, And then it was if that's say not you went home and you did you posted this video on Instagram or maybe TikTok. I've had locked the secret to skincare. What is that, honey,

it's getting knocked up. You got to have a baby, okay, because the way that this baby has had so let me tell you something. I've dealt with a lot of skin issues, mainly because of hormones. You know. I mean sometimes I'll be honest, sometimes the hormone stuff is triggered by first of all, I think I'm naturally born that way. With a little bit more testosterone. If your hormoneson balance, like minds can be, you probably produce more. You know what I'm saying. You're just just the way that your

glands work. It just it just it don't work for the skin. And it can affect everybody differently. Some people can you know, make them gain weight, It can give them acne, you can make them have skin discolorations, you know. It Just the list goes on when it comes to hormones and food and just all that stuff. So I've always dealt with that, right and I've always been on this journey. I'm trying to figure it out, you know what I mean. And people will try to tell me

drink water, you know what I mean. It's this, It is that nothing topical can really save you from your biology, you know what I mean. Changing your diet is honestly probably the best thing that you can do. However, when you get pregnant, your hormones change. And I'm right now, whatever that damn baby is doing to me, whatever that baby is giving to me, it has balanced me, y'all. It really really has given The baby has given me whatever that I didn't have before, that baby has given

it to me. Honey, the baby is working all. My baby is helping me already, y'all. And the way that I just can't even believe baby, the baby is retting all the baby. The baby is my accutane, like the baby is getting it going in. And I'm just shocked, y'all, because you know, I've changed my diet and stuff like that, and I'm sure that my diet is helping to some degree, Like I haven't been eating a lot of gluten, I

haven't been eating dairy. That obviously is helping, right, But I've done that before without the baby, and I didn't receive these extreme of results. So I mean, I do believe that the baby, y'all. I don't know what I'm gonna do. I'm about to be pregnant for the rest of my life because if this is what babies can do for you, the real gift, the real gift of skincare and actress, this pregnancy down down and so I'm thrilled. But how are you feeling though? Overall? Has it been good?

Outside of that? I think that my baby is like it's like a warrior or something like this, because I've been and I have not had no nausea like I've had moments where it's like like where I'll be just sitting there. It's kind of funny. It's kind of funny how it happens. Like, Guys, I'll be sitting there and like in the middle of a conversation with someone, and then all of a sudden, I'll just go like it'll just make me feel that way, and then it just be over with, Like I won't actually throw up, I

won't actually need to run to the bathroom. It doesn't last more than like ten seconds, but it's like a wave of something. I'm like, that's wait. My aunt was pregnant and sometimes we'd be sitting there. She'd be in her babies beat the pool, and I would just see like a hand like literally goes through the stomach. Is your baby moving around a lot? My baby moves all

the time. Right now, I met like one weeks, so the baby is almost like, you know, it's getting bigger, and eventually it's going to get to the point where I probably will see fingers and stuff like that, but I don't know if it's that big. Yeah, Like I don't know if the power is there yet, but I

definitely feel and you can see some movement. Yes, yeah, what you're telling me this is going to be an Aquarius baby or a Pisces baby, just to tell you what I need to damn no, because emotional, emotional, I need born Mark fifth. I'm Pisces rising, Pisces cancer moon. So it's I'm about to break into tears right now. You're really in the emotions. It's giving water, signed very

very deeply. And I would say your child is gonna be emotional and there's gonna be swings, but it's gonna be worth it because the baby will be creative and sensitive and love you, love you to death. Pisces, I actually believe our mama's children. Oh my god, I'm just so feared about that because I really just tell you, I'm so excited to be dancing with my damn baby.

I'm excited just be like hey baby, like I'm just ready to be just giving all the love and attitude and like and so tell me what they said to you. You did you gass Like I'm readily just like go to tell with this damn baby. Yeah. I just think about it every day of just like, what's it gonna be like when you know I first lay eyes on you and you know, how's it gonna be. We get our first moments together, you know what I mean? But also,

are you gonna bust my damn vagina part that too? Well? Probably? Yeah. I just learned that the epidural was like a tube that they're sticking your back. That's scarier than the damn natural birth do guys during childbirth? You might not be thinking that way, they say. You might be like, let's plug me in. He might be asking for ever I was reading, people are like, my back ain't never been

the same. They really do lie about childbirth. That like when you're a little kid and they're like, and she's pregnant, she goes for nine months to have a healthy baby, and it's like you get to be an adult and

you realize, like really what it is. It's like, okay, so this shouldn't happen, but does you know the whole thing is like the painful thing about it is like your vagina stretching to the size of a fucking baby watermelon, Like, oh my god, scream queens right me, And mostly all the scream queens are like have kids or you know, pregnant myself. Emma, like all of us, Emma, Oh my God, scream Mothers, Oh Joe, Booster, Pisces, Pisces, Elpier, Baby Dane,

and Jordan too. Really because okay, I just want to say more about Nope, because like what I also loved was it's actually a really emotional movie. And I actually think, like it's really crazy with Jordan because so get out happens, and it's one thing, it's like the satire of our time. I believe, I believe that there has not been a

better script written. And then there's Us, which is more surreal horror, and then there's Nope, which and I think if you were thinking Jordan Peel, you think like, oh, horror first nowadays, and then like like he has a satirical elements. But these are three very different movies. Like Nope really is like this sci fi western that calls back to horror movies in many different ways. But what I love about sci fi and western is it really

does have a very like emotional core. And like this is about like Bone was saying, it's about like fame and spectatorship, but I also find it's like a very thoughtful movie about nature and about how some things are just bigger than us, and like we do have to have reverence and awe, but also like it's a pretty simple story about family and like just so many things.

But one comment I specifically wanted to make, and the cinephiles out there probably picked up on this, but my favorite scene in the whole movie is when you guys are sitting with the cinematographer in the house before the big events of the climax and he says that monologue about the one one people leader. What I loved about that was that was specifically mapped on the quint monologue

and Jaws. And this is how you know that Jordan is really, first and foremost truly a comedian, because no filmmaker that was up his own ass would ever be like, and I'm going to spend this moment in the movie like referencing this iconic scene from a movie that's so obvious has inspired this one. But that was really like I was laughing and rolling in my house watching that because the whole one eye, one horned gilet purple people earner monologue taking the place of that iconic monologue that

quinted in Jaws. To me, that was like such a funny, irreverent thing for him to do, and so it succeeded for me on that level to like so much funnier

than I think people are talking about. It shows that he really really understands film and film structure in his whole entire point to spin it all on its head, from Steven Young being an OSCAR nominated actor and then us having characters like Key from Everybody Everywhere all at once, who started out as a kid actor and never got a chance to really be a star like that paid away for the reality of someone like Steven Young being being who he is and not being the brunt of

a joke or just existing to be a cliche because of his identity, Like that's the movie that that can be made, and that should be made. He should be the star, he should be on the posters, he should be the one we're going to see, or the fact that he's amazing. I love both of them, Key and Stephen,

but just like what that is. And then the fact of the whole commentary on my character, who you assume is just going to be the jester who's just the comedic edge, but then turns around and somehow finds our way to be becoming the hero as a black queer woman. It's like, this is the structure, this is the thing, but this is the now without being like on the nose, you know what I mean, It's like, how did you

do it? Yeah? I love that there were so many there were so many layers, and I think it's just so smart and I think, honestly, the stuff with the chimp on the set of the sitcom was some of the most inventive, genuinely scary stuff I had ever seen. And the detail of the shoe as like a pull from a traumatic memory that shows how his memory of it is really distorted, was just really really well done. I mean, like breaking new his notpe was great, but like it took me a while because I really do

get scared and very anxious. I'm an anxious person and hard for me to sit in the movie theater and like really do that without focusing the entire time, not on the movie but on how I'm physically feeling, because my shoulders are up to my ears. But I'm really happy I got out of my own way and watched this because any movie lover would love this movie. Yes, I feel the exact same way, and that's the thing, Like any movie lover like, if you love movies, you're

gonna love everything Jordan does. I'm excited for what's next. So does that script get sent to you or do you have to audition for it? That script? As crazy as it is, Jordan called me on the phone, sent me the script and it was mine, you know. And it's so funny that that is such a rare thing, guys, It really is. It's a rare thing for you to just get a script. And it's like, you know, especially

for it to be someone on Jordan's feels level. So like for him to be that certain that he wanted me for the role um is in incredible, you know.

But again it's for me it all so meta too, because it's just like, you know, here this movie is where we have this whole dialogue about a child star and and exploitation, um, you know, and here I am as a child entertainer, and I feel very much like, you know, wrangling the industry and becoming who I've become and being, as you guys were saying, somebody that has not stuck to the norm or what people told me

to be. I very much, from my in my own way, felt like I was wrangling a beast that at the end of it, I stood tall on the other side, and then none of it really mattered in the end, like to prove myself or to be validated or for people to recognize me, you know, once you make it to that that point and you realizing you see things for what they really are, like Emerald does when she's at the top of that mountain and she really sees

the thing for what it really is. The only thing that matters this family, you know, The only thing that matters are the things that are that are priceless and most usually the things you already always had, you know. So again, it's so the movie hits us all. It's so many different unique ways, and it's like, how can

one movie have so many meanings? Yeah, you mentioned being like you know, a child actor, and I wonder, like nowadays, like we hear so many different accounts of people who went through that experience, like you know, Janette mccourty's book, and like the way that we've like had to re examine like the Britney Spears of it all and so many things. I wonder, what's your personal narrative of being a child star and how you came through that because

we don't hear you talk about that too much. Yeah, I definitely had my moments of being like angry and being just overworked and tired. I think all of us did you know when you're a kid working in corporate, because let's be honest, as we all know, it's entertainment, honey, but it's still corporate, you know. We we just like everybody else, there's an element of the man say it so,

you know, to mean we all feel that. And so it was the same for me as a kid working with Nickelodeon and Disney and having to do hours and hours of of shooting and hours and hours of marketing. And then I didn't go to real school and my parents were really strict and over protective, and I was making a lot of money and my parents were scared of that because they didn't want me to become an asshole. So then they were really even more strict, and I

felt like they didn't understand me. And then we had beef, and you know, all of that stuff does happen because fame it's traumatic, and a child being a star, you know, having their own show, it's traumatic. It changes the entire family structure and everything kind of ends up going towards that child, helping to support that child, that business, that thing, and it's just like not a usual thing that you

deal with. And so I'm very blessed and grateful that my family overcame it because what we often hear and what people often think about when they think about child actresses, you know so and sold, they ain't hunting momain cool no more, or you know so and so they got on drill ugs or you know, money, tore up the family, and all those things could have happened to my family. We definitely experienced intensity. People trying to turn me against my parents, people trying to steal me from my parents

and break our trunts and infiltrate our family dynamic. All that ship is horrible, but people do it. We see it all the time, you know what I mean, We see it in succession. It ain't different just because you're a kid. People are are vicious out here. But my family, now we really overcame it, and so I think and now because we overcame it, and my adult mind, the way that I speak about all of that is very much so like, oh, you know, yeah, we just moved on, and you know what, I mean, we found a way

and we got through. But if I were, you know, I wrote a book about it, and whenever I get really into it, I can really break it down. But the truth of the matter is I look at it like any of us do, any of our family trials and tribulations. It's extreme to a person that didn't experience child acting, but it's no different than you saying I decided to forgive my parents, or you know, we got over it. You know, we moved on. That's what it's

like for me. Crazy things happened. It was intense, but my parents, who told my parents how to raise the child, entertaining with our own damn show making millions, So they were doing the best they could. And so you know, that's how I look at it, and I just move on and I love my parents were very close still, and my mom and I would still do business together, and my siblings and I were closer than ever, especially

now that I have more time. You know, that was probably the saddest thing for me as a kid, was never having enough time for anybody. Um, you know, I was working just so much. I couldn't make it to any plays. Sometimes I would miss holidays and that stuff used to kill me as a kid, and so I definitely wanted to make that up to them as I got older, and um, you know, I definitely don't want that to be the reality for for my baby. So I've learned how to how to maneuver when it comes

to my career to sense. That's kind of interesting. Like ultimately, you saw them on Star just like your character and No open realize what was important and you know made it through exactly. That's why when I watched No recognized what the how I interpreted that For me, it really was kind of like mind blowing. I like cry the craziest tears. That's incredible. We should ask the question it's

time in a perfect segue from childhood into the question. Absolutely, okay, this is the question we ask all of our guests on Lost Cultures. So, Keikie Palmer, what is the culture that made you say? Culture is for me? This is the pop culture that made you move into that direction in your life. So give me y'all's answers so I can understand exactly the context of this question. But what would you say for you? Like between the two of us, me and Matt, like I think our answers change individually

from time to time. I think a common one but that Matt and I share is the Academy Awards. When Titanic was nominated for all those awards, that was like what got me like keyed into like show business and I was like, Wow, this is what people can do, and like there's Celine Dion saying my heart will go on, and like there's just all of it sort of like opened up to me in this way it can be that it can even be before that, Like for me,

Mariah Carrey, the album by Mariah Carrey changed who I was. Also, like, when I watched television show Lost, I realized I wanted to be a part of television. Like it's like those things that you can look back on and you were like, but you started so young. That must have either happened either really young or maybe even a little delayed because you were in the biz. Yeah. I think it was a couple of things. Yeah, So I think one of them was Selena. Yes, Yes, when I watched Selena the

way did they hit me? And why did you can pack someone the way? Did she was impact her community? Had a community back? Yes, I really, honey, who's on your shirt right now? Is that Tony Who? I first I thought that that was the mid nineties Tony Braxton first of the hand a little that's hilarious, and I was about to really go in Selena of that movie. That movie really talked about somebody changing, something change in your life. That movie, I would say The Wood, which

is this film by Rick Famula. It is about three guys. It's Omar Epps Hey Digs another actor who I hate that I can't remember his name. But it's about these three guys. You know, one of them is from the South, the other two are from l A. The dude from the South moves to l A specifically in Inglewood, and it's about how they grew up in l A. And it's like not like a sad movie or like you know, a whole somebody got shot, you know, I mean things went hey why It was kind of just like a

regular black American coming to the age. Story and in the culture was so present, but it wasn't rooted in oppression. And I remember watching that as a kid and just being like, man, just such a great movie about just young brothers growing up in America and like having a good life and like getting ready to go to their wedding.

Like the whole movie was told in flashbacks as they're trying to get their best friend prepared for his wedding because he's like up the next morning drunk and they're trying to get him to his wedding, and the whole day they're like talking about remember this when we was in high school, and then we keep going back to flashbacks, and so I remember watching that movie as a kid, and I think that definitely, I've always felt very masculine

as well as I felt feminine. That's why I like, if somebody want to or to ask me or to talk to me about gender, that would probably say the way that I think is very gender non conforming. I just don't subscribe to the label of it because obviously I hate labels. Anybody that knows me knows labels get on my damn nerd because it's like ship it makes me feel like y'all want to force me to just

be what you want me to be. So I'm a little bit like sitting in that regard, and I do feel like I want to force people to see a woman as being all these different things. You know what, I'm saying, I want to force your as to understand that, yeah, I can't be this and I can't be there, and I can still be a woman. You gotta deal with you know what I mean. And so but but the way that I think about it is very much so

like gender non conforming. So when I watched that movie, even though those were me and I saw myself, you know, and I wanted to I admired, you know what I'm saying. I grew up with My dad's one of nine boys. My dad is an amazing dad. And so I've always just loved seeing those images because just as much as I wanted to emulate Brandy or Whitney, I also wanted to emulate those images as well. Definitely um and so I really really impacted me as a kid seeing that movie.

It was so inspiring. So the wood Selena. And then if I were to give like a third, I would just want to give you one last third because this is a heavy, heavy question. It would probably be Kekey Palmer when she said sorry to this man entire generation. I mean, it's like it's like it was a cultural reset.

It's like all other memes before that walked so Kecky Palmer. Sorry, I mean literally in my group chat whenever the day is I'm gonna group chat with, say someone I don't know, I sent a picture of your face looking down at the paper, and they know exactly that I don't know who the funk they're talking about three and a half years. By the way, guys, when that thing happened, it was

as if I had a hit movie theaters. I'm like that response, the response to start to this man is absolutely like I cannot wait to see what the world is like in twenty years so I can tell my kids, like there was this thing called means, you know what I mean, because our world is so unique and interesting, and that's like such a unique and very serendipitous, insane thing that happened. Like for that mean to be like that, you probably left filming that that day and we're like

not even thinking about it. No, I was just like, okay, you know, moved on, you know what I mean, because it will be a thing where it's so organic. It's like you know now that everything's gonna be like AI in the next like literally or freaking Avatar or freaking Avatar Avatar. I had my ass crying though, I mean, come on, it got us, It really got us, all three of us. I think a man has to be stopped. James has to be stopped. He makes you quite too much all his movies. I mean, how is it that

he's done. I think maybe just ten movies, or even under ten movies, three in which are in the top two in which are in the top three grossing movies ever, one being Titanic, the other being Avatar. And it's one thing for somebody to give you visual effects. I think a lot of people can give us visual effects right like, not that I'm not impressed by it. I think it's an incredible skill in art. But most of the time, when someone gives you crazy action and visual effects, they

fall apart on the storyline. The storyline has no um, integrity, no originality, it has no emotion to it. This man does. And I'm quite altered by it because and almost it makes me not want to go see his movies sometimes, because I've seen Titanic and everybody knows how I feel about that damn movie and what happened when my girl did not say Jack's life. That tears me up to

this day. Now I had to watch Aft too, and when I went home, I was silent the rest of the evening because of what I had to go through watching that movie. That man has to be stopped because he takes you upon this action adventure and emotionally connects you to these people that aren't real, and then you have to watch the families get tore apart. I'm tired of him stopped. He's got to be stopped, y'all. He's

too too much. He's got a lot going on. Well, we were saying Bowen and I were saying the other day that because he makes movies with the intention of entertaining the entire world, like he it's almost like the world he has a different assignment than everyone else. Like he's like, my movies are going to be seen worldwide, and so it's going to be broad and emotional enough that everyone has a way in I think that's what

we're responding to. It's like there is something specific in human pain, in family, in sacrifice for family, Like he has a very good grip on what is going to hit us in the heart because he's thinking in a very universal way, because his movies are very universal. It's

so true. You know, you have people online, they're like, these are African people, and they have like these are Indian people, and like these are like everybody's like these are my people, and I'm like, that's James Cameron's point.

They're all of our people. They're all of anybody that's connected to an indigenous When you watch that movie, your feelings are hurt because you're like you go from the surface of what's happening in the movie to these movie people and then you're like, this probably happened to my ancestors, or this probably happened to people in real life. Oh ship, he wants you to think about that. He got me

crying about a whale mama. We talked about that whale mama because you know why of wale mama was murdered probably just last week for the same type of reasons in this made up creature in Avatar, like he is thinking about that and tapping into every type of vibe that he has to be stopped, y'all. Well, this is the thing for him to recoup on the on the budget of the film. He has to appeal to the broadest audience possible, right, and so these movies end up

being about family, which everyone can relate to. And then the sort of unifying the glue of it all is this, like I think it's a very self aware kind of like corn baldness. It's corny because it's corny. Yes, yes, there's nothing more earnest about loving family. And I also think people need to stop thinking that corny and cheesy is not good. I'm one of those people that absolutely I think the indie movie is great. I think, you know,

going super niche super art house is absolutely radical. But when you can give the emotion and the originality of a movie like that with the commercial appeal that people like James Cameron bring to me, You'll take a ship to the next fucking level. Because I think that is hard to freaking Titanic who told him to put a love story in in the middle of a historical event that was yeah, I mean like and also the fact that you left that movie caring so deeply about them.

It's like they're not real, They're not real. You know who's real, the almost people who died. But meanwhile, like, we have this fictional couple that like really in that way. Because he made us care about these two, we then care about everyone that had a very full life that we're lost on that ship. I also think that that's

this man's point. When I did a little bit of research, a little bit digging about James Cameron, he is a very like The reason why a lot of his movies also even include water is because he's very obsessed with water, in nature, in saving the world, and he's really into the global just welfare of our human life and stuff

like that. So I think that is a big dedication to his work is to make us think about that, to make us think about lives loss, to make us think about you know, people were murdered and killed, and you know people are dying and the ocean is being He wants you to be sad and think about that stuff. You know what I'm saying. It seems like it because he keeps putting it in the movies. Uh. Matt and

I were talking about this on the podcast. We're like, you know, like, these are kind of like my roadblocks with Avatar. But I think you've really like bulldozed past them because there are roadblocks. Let's be honest. A lot of people are sick of him, you know, a lot of people are like through it, you know what I mean. But I'll tell you long. Kicky Palmer will always be like a cup half full person. I always am like

you know, but also was it this? You know? It's a little bit burning your bridge because if James Cameron calls with the wrong avatar forms Song of the Skies, we want Mama to fly the ship, okay, because I could be the next to Gerney. Just call me, give me the next to Guerney. Just her at sixty, I think is a whole movement, like do you know what I think people are forgetting that. The reason why Kirie is who she is is because she cut her own bangs and it went a certain way. So Kirie s

going to be here as a team. Cut her own bangs clearly, and her bangs are a flop, and she's self conscious in the movie about her banks looking crazy, and that's why she feels a certain way. And that's a subtext that only I'm recognizing in the movie, but that avatar clearly from her own bangs. She was trying something out in her adolescence. The bangs went left, and she feels on the outside of her family because and that is a cautionary tale about why you don't take

assisted to your banks. Girls. I understand we all think that they might bring our face together, but you gotta go to a professional. She needed to go to wherever in the Navi culture they cut bangs professionally. There are women out there that are that have clearly have you know, cosmetology degrees, that could do a nabby world in Pandora. But she did not find them. She went into her own layer and she cut her own bangs and it didn't go well, and that's why she was cranky. I'll

moving along. I can't believe when his mom has had that damn caesia from the damned spiritual, I say, get that shit out of here. Day she really was having she plugged in and things did not go good. Can you imagine like being on set that day and watching Sigourney like in the motion capture outfit, like having a caesure as a tea in like the water in the water. Damn a hell of a movie to shoot, honey. I mean, what's the hardest she you've ever done? Hardest she you've

ever done? It had to be Nope, a lot of running, just a lot of energy, exert a lot of intensity to like the whole town. Yeah, did you do stripping class for Hustlers? Did she did? Okay? And then you got to tell j Lo in person about Selena about like the impact the movie had. You had to amazing. I did I let her know. I mean, I know she's heard at the time and time and time and time again. But guys, it's just true that movie. It's honestly it is. You know, it impacted me so deep

as a child. I was hugging the damn tv mm hmm. That lady impacted her community. Oh my gosh, I love Selena, Selena Cantonia's that should have been her first OSCAR nomination and Hustler should have been the second. And we all know it. Honestly, it felt like that for me. I felt like, if we went back at the time and she want to ask you for Selena, I will be happy, just like I would be happy if if want to

turn those are two biopicks. Thats just like, come on, y'all, that's quit around and who else could have done it? You know? Nobody? You know, nobody, truly, nobody, truly nobody. Oh, before we move on, the perfect companion piece to starry to this man, is you on? Kiki? Michael and Sarah going, I know that man. I love that man. Do you know what? Because that man I didn't know, and I just couldn't who was that man? Who was that man?

Currently sorry to this man. That was the point in your career that I was like, this is interesting now you being a daytime TV host, even you were surprised. I mean, that was then another character, honey, And I was living forward. I was living my daytime TV job. I was living for waking up and going to the job and being done at noon, the conversations, you know what I mean, having fun like it was such as something that I didn't see coming. I was just kind

of like, well why not, why the hell not? You know what I mean? Like I have the time, I'm available, Like I love Michael, I like Sarah, like this is cool, Like let's ride this out and see what goals down. Love. The only reason why we stopped again, I guess the universe guy, you and I always trust God in the universal. I was just like, leave it up, you know what I mean. And COVID happened and they kind of wanted me to continue on, but they changed the show to

being more Newsy and I'm not more Newsy. You know, I mean I didn't go to had a journalist in that way, you know what I mean, more of a personality and you know, conversationalist if anything, you're not a journalist like Michael Straham I'm on the floor shade. So I was like, you know, I don't think news E is for me, um, but they still continue to support me throughout COVID, and I thought that was like amazing and awesome. You know. After COVID, we all were just

kind of figuring out what we're gonna do. And I was like, it's COVID and it's tough out here, but I can't do the news y'all. Yeah, I'm obsessed with your catchphrase of I'm on the floor. I'm on the floor, yeah, because it's like, girl, what does that even mean? For real? Why? Why is that I'm on the floor? That's the peak, like I'm that I'm on the floor. Wait before we move on to I Don't Think Sunny for real, I have to ask you, do you know my friend Jennifer Lewis.

I'm on a show on Showtime called I Love That for You with Jennifer Lewis, and I do want to know your friend Jennifer Lewis to see what do you think? I feel the connection between you guys, and all I want is for you guys to do a project together. I want it to do a project together. Tell me why I was with Jennifer Lewis on the plane. She comes up to me. I'm sitting there with my boyfriend, and she says, what the fund are you doing here with my man? Bitch? She said, look, you're not pulled

the show up. You're not puposed to be trying to outshine me. Just fine up here with who do you think you are? Girl? Who do you think you are? A little girl? She was. It was the best thing. I wish I could have filmed it for y'all The whole damn time. I was like, this is too much to pull my phone out, But I wanted to pull my phone out so y'all could just hear the life that she was giving me. Did she know who she was talking to? Yes, that's the girl I know her from.

We did Media's Family Reunion together. My god, when I was like twelve years Oh, wouldn't have any scenes together. But I've always loved Jennifer. I mean, Jennifer Lewis is somebody that she just always loves. You know. It's like, you know, she's just everything. I always loved her, and every time I've seen her always say hi whatever. So when she saw me on the plane, she was it was just like we hadn't seen each other in a while, and she was like a little bit fine ass man.

I want to get your ass together. You should do the Jennifer Lewis story. You should do her a biopic. Me and her have to do something together, because she has just one. We just would be just back and forth and back and forth. It would just give too much life. No work would get done. But we should get the set together. It should all be captured. It should all be captured. I just had to ask, because I mean, she's a light in my life. I'm gonna FaceTime or later, actually I will. Okay, so now, but

when is it time? It's time? It's time for I don't think so, honey. This is our one minute segment at the end of our show where we each go on a tire rate about culture. Matt, you have something, I have something. I do have something, and you mentioned planes in mine is actually plane related. I've done a lot of flying recently, and everyone on any plane who's sitting in the window seat is about to hear it. Okay, here we go, this is Matt Rogers. I don't think

so many this time starts now. I don't think so honey people in the windows seat who don't have their window up when you're landing on the plane. Sometimes I'll be on the aisle. I prefer the island. I don't think so hony of these people sitting at the window seat who keep their window down when we're touching down. I don't want to jump out of my skin. Like I said, I can't do scary, and what is scarier

than the shock of landing suddenly nothing. I want to be able to see outside the plane so I can see exactly when the wheel touchdown, so whether I'm jolted up out of my sea flying through the skies. I don't think so hony of these people who are out of sight, out of mind. Lease a fair about sitting on the window seat and they have it all the

way shut and I can't see a goddamn thing. I need to know when I'm in the land or else I will be screaming, and then I'll tell you what's even more annoying than a baby screaming on ault, me screaming on adult day flight from shocked pain, anger, discussed hurt betrayal because you did not turn your windows seconds. I love you dealt up, but mandate windows up for

windows seats. I don't think so, honey. I'm totally fine with it if you want it shut for the duration of the plane, But when they say it's time to get the seat backs up in the trade tables set, you need to have the windows up to be courteous to people who just want to know what that shaking noises when they land and when it's coming. Surely you can see there's a window in a different row that

you can get some context from, of course, bo. But we have to work to gather as a plan community, because if you if one person doesn't do it, the next person doesn't do it. Yeah, yeah, you're right. I just think there's still not an agreement about like people lowering the shade when you're midair when it's glaring blinding. I completely understand, all right, but are you with me on this? Like do don't you? Don't you agree? I agree? I'm rarely in the window seat I agree. There you go.

We're all in agreement. We are all concurrent on this one. I'm not the one who's usually at the window anyway, so I have no control over us. Oh, and sometimes I want to be like, hey, can you put the window up because I just want to see when we land. But also I don't want to talk to anybody on the plane. Yeah, you never know what you might get. Alright, Well, food for thought. This is Bowen yangs. I don't think so, honey, at his time will begin now. I don't think so, honey.

Baristas and TV shows, especially mystery shows such as Wednesday, where their trope is they go that girl her order, you know, tall Frappico, blah blah blah. It's like some bullshit like that where the barista knows everybody's order in the town. It's a tired ass trope. I'm done seeing it. In the movies and TV shows and plays of our time. The barista usually ends up being the killer or the conspirator of a killing or something. It's tired. It's done. I don't want to see any Burris stays as main

characters and TV shows anymore. Make them something else, make them a sandwich artist. Make them a smoothie smoothie maker. I don't want to see barista anymore because guess what, it's too neat of a thing to be like, Oh, that's that's the person who knows everybody's deal in town. No, we need to be more creative about the town tropes,

the citizen who knows everybody's business. We're gonna figure out something new because this motherfuckering Wednesday, I was like, this guy is a flop and his only redeeming qualities that he's the barista. You take that away from him as nothing, And that's one minute and change. And yes, it's not just baristas that know the town's business. Okay, what about the postman? Bring the postman back, Bring the postman back, bring the milkman and back. I want the milkman back,

Bring the milkman back. I don't think so, honey. You want to rip up? Okay, here we go. Okay, this is cheek Palmers. I don't think so, honey. Your time starts now. Does every mundane action in our lives need to be a TikTok aesthetic? I don't think so, funny, I'm tired on my Twitter Instagram more TikTok and seeing people pretending to content create by putting on great cloads, shutting gray blinds, pulling out their great calculator and doing their taxes, calling it a dope life. I don't think

so hard. I cannot stand that we are so incapable of randomness that we have whittled ourselves down to now lifestyle categories soft girl life, Um, you know a happy girl life, girl life, cool guy life, funck boy life. I just want us to have a life and to get offline and trying to make everything seems so cool and unique. I don't want to see you having a day of normalcy and then calling it some type of specific category and life down. I don't think so honey.

I'm sick of it. Just actually do something and don't let us be involved when I don't want to see anybody else cooking their man any meals and calling themselves life life, life. I'm tired of the life lives and that's one minute has absolutely destroyed most influences today who put on an orange shirt and say hashtag orange shirt and they get dollars for it. I'm tired. It is like we saw this man the other day made himself breakfast, sat down on his computer, played with his dog, and said,

soft black boy life. I'm like, what is so? What is a hard black boys life? Come on, like, come, this is a normal life, y'all always got to and actual it ends up making everything ends up making, Like if that's not an everyday person's life, then what do you think everyday black people are living? Like? You know what I mean? Like if if you don't think it's just like what is it that we're doing? Y'all? We make it everything so extreme? Soft girl life? All you

did was make breakfast and sit on your couch. So what's what's the hard girl's life going to work? Like? What is the opposite of everything that y'all saying? So interesting? If that's a soft girl life, a hard girl life is like going to park at the bank and parking like outside the lines and have two spaces. Hard girl Life's like that's honestly to me, it's like absolutely ridiculous. I gotta spoof coming for this. Oh there we go? Oh my god. Kiki Palmer and should I say baby

Kiki Palmer? Because that is the podcast that you all must be listening to required reading. This has been so much fun. No, guys, this has been the most fun. I really love hanging out with y'all. Hang out with me. Called me back anytime. You know is your girl? Oh my god, you must return. We love you so much. And you told no lies when you said she was the greatest of the gates of the Gate. We closed

every episode with the song I Got One Mount. Okay, come well, maybe blame me like a Vendo if I wind the back and my own Oh yeah, listen to Hands Free to Break my kickie Palmer here, come on, by bye.