"thankyousomuchmama" (w/ Jan Sport)

anals works in this What were you to say? Anals of my memory and that work. I don't know my words, but I do know my heart. It's been a long time since we said that, and it's been a long time since Whoopi Goldberg said don't go right now to Sherry Shepherd, who was overcome with emotion the day after election day two thousand and eight. We all remember it when Obama was white boy into her elected and um Sherry said. Sherry Shepherd was on the fence about who

to vote for until she got into the booth. That this is famous context. She didn't know which way their icon. Sherry stopperd did not know who to vote for between John McKay and Barack Obama. So then in the booth she was overcome with emotion and she realized she had to vote for Obama because she wanted to be able to say to Jeffrey, her son and her her son's name is Jeffrey, and this is something that I do

remember as well. She wanted to say, no limitations, and she started to cry, and whoop Be reached over and grabbed her hand and said, don't go don't don't go right now, don't go right now, don't go right now. I'm almost misquoted and said, don't go yet, don't go right don't go right now. And she said, no, I know, I know, I'm strong. I voted for Obama. And I just want to say that, like Matt Rodgers is Argent

SWOOPI Goldberg, who are you have that effect? Like if you were if you were in the movie Ghost, you would have been the person to deliver like all those iconic lines. You think I would have stole the film. I think you would have stolen the film one of on the Oscar. I think, um, that's huge. He got potential. You think for you. Oh, I'm not even joking. Yes, he got potential. For Matt Rodgers, I'm not. You're my greatest friend on earth. You're my greatest to say that

about me. You readers, get yourself a friend who says you have you got potential, especially when it's true. And I'm sure a lot of readers out there have you got potential, But you need a friend who will affirm that in you. Literally we're not bringing the guests in just yet, but the guests does have guest absolutely has he got potential. It has to be said unquestionably. So there's no question, there's no question which makes it. There are no boundaries, no limitations, as sh as, no boundaries

as who said no boundaries, There are no boundaries. Who was flat, who was on the note? Don't know for you to decide. And I think this is a perfect way to bring the guests in. Well, it actually is. And while we've sort of rocketed through the opening of them, know this is this is record time. We're we're really kind of just closing the closing the gap on you want to happening what. I think we're excited, we're so

I think we're so excited for several reasons. We're in a studio together and in a new setting, in a new setting. Talk about the colors. The colors are very red, very I heart. We're at thea Heeart Radio sort of building next to where else, Carnegie Hall? Where else Carnegie you at all? You know, if I thought of what as I walked past Carnegie Hall, the three busy Debors, three busy DeBras, of course, Judy Garland, of course, also Margaret Margaret, I was like, God, notorious DHL I connect.

I can't believe that that that was there, that was that was the Carnegie Hall, right, I mean, she's probably just stomped the boards at Carnegie Hall anytime, of course, as so many talents have, like three Busy Debors and Judy Garland, the Cannon, the Canada, the Pantheon. You know, who could perform at Carnegie Hall. Our guests, Our guests,

our guests. Let's talk about our guests. So what's the what I mean, here's the thing, talk about icon talk about alongside coming on the pod A long time coming on the pod. One of those one of those guests where you're like, I I guess, I guess she's listening, you know, like, I guess I'd better be careful. I gotta watch what I say. Not not not because just because I'm like, oh, people of this caliber are listening

to the show. That's the thing. It's like when you find out that the guests reached out and said I listened to the pod, was just like, that's like, what are you doing? And the and and now with now I'm like, okay, so now influencers, people in the community who are moving and shaking cultural icons are listening to the pod. It's like, I better watch what I say about say, Sherry Shepherd, maybe she listens. It's not even this as an icon on Therry Shepherd level. I didn't that.

That's why I caught myself earlier. I wasn't me being like, I better watch what I say in terms of like like like like disparaging people. I'm saying in terms of like the tone said, you want this to be like a classy pod, not even not even like in terms

of respectability. I mean in terms of, like, you know, we have to like we have to consider the audience sometimes yeah, and the audience comprises of our guests by the same token we do to drag some of the girls we say, we famously say with Drag Race, we have strong opinions and could we never never do her do what they do, And that I think gives us

the freedom to sort of say, didn't love that. That's a healthy thing for anybody who does not do Drag, who watches that show, who has strong opinions about those people like you must have some awareness around the fact that you can never do what they do. First, admit that you, in the eyes of God, are horseships and don't deserve to actually bringthe the same heiress. Then and then drag And speaking of God, I mean to quote a famous a wise person, Brick Ashley. We have called

them everything but a child of God? Can we say it? First of all, say, my ContraPoints is the brook Actley. She's the number one House five recapper and she's not. She always puts on something cute, she always puts a bottle of wine on ice next to her. She's my favorite house ice recap, but she's not the number of her.

Her numbers are like, are decent. We want to get those numbers out, of course, girl, But you cannot come out here and say that she's like the top the sort of the top house size wish, I know, but she's on her way. She's on her way, and I will comment on her YouTube videos. She's it's the only YouTube channel I comment on because I watched them and they're they're glorious. And she has some iconic catch phrases like this person is crazier than a soup sandwich, which

because what's crazier than nothing except thing? It's not maybe Ramona crazy crazy ass. And she says after everything, but I digress, And then she begins every week hap with we do not have to spare Brooke Ashley, please check her out. Okay, so sorry, I just wanted to That was we digressed right there, we digressed. She does have merged, she does have merged. I'm getting aff mug, but I digress. Our guest is someone who we've been honored to have

at the live shows. Do I don't think and perform um she I think is is one of my favorite girls, one of the dolls. Also, I always kind of famously iconically makeup that I was there the first night she ever did drag. I think I was there early on at Lady Liberty when she was still sort of solely doing Chris Jenner, and then I think I've made up over time. It's like, you know when a lie grows apocryphal?

What's that? It's like like an origin story that is so wild that it can't possibly be true, sort of like um Atlantiste absolutely, story of Atlanta absolutely. Like you find a little shell on the ground and you pick it up and you say, Atlantes apocryphal, apocryphy? Did you say? I would say, our guest is an iconic queen that you may know from RuPaul's Drag Race and RuPaul's Drag Race. All Stars not for nothing. I believe the seasons were twelve and All Stars six recently wrapped the journey on

All Stars six. And we're here to get takes, and we're here to get elaborations, well, insights, whatever she wants to share. Yeah, I care. She could she could be like, we're not talking about that, and I would respect and

we just would go in my body. And she is someone who I think is in is competitive for a lot of categories at the Lost Culture, such a many categories, especially for the biggest word of the night, the Christina Award, which the readers have the publicist, sorry, I have now the front runner for the Christina Award should be jan Oh my god, we'll cut that out. Okay, No, it's fine.

Our guest welcome, jan Hello. Literally that introduction, I would have thought that Dwayne the Rock Johnson was going to be on this podcast. Right, recall yourself not doing the rock just like Maddis the Whoopi Goldberg of our generation, you are doing the rock Johnson of our generation. I feel wonderful, but I'm open to its one I what can't happen, you can't can't happen. We sit here in the middle of a tempest, a storm, iconic storm, and guess what they said it would be a hurricane. And

she she dove right into the ocean. They said one thing could happen, and something else happened. She actually came onto that b o. Oh my god. And here we have Janne kind of potentially cannibalizing her own chances that winning the award by pitching another contender. I couldn't believe we were saying on, well, you know, I was out here staying on. That's what it was, right, it was, but put us actually going for it and saying that

it was. This is my first time hearing it out loud and it really is unsettling and also referring to it ass And you know, I'm kind of glad it's not a Henry because there because Henry is a tough name for me. And that's all all said. It can be a loaded name for me as well, depending depending so in your life. No, you know, it hasn't. It totally hasn't. I don't think I actually have met in person as a single Henry in the past, like a couple of years. Yeah, that's wow. Who's the last one.

I couldn't even tell you. Well, I'm saying that we did not meet her this week. Now, she wasn't named that, and be she dove. She decided to make a hard right. She decided to make a hard right, and we pray for the people in New England. Did you have any friends that got evacuated from the f I absolutely, I think we. I think we actually all know somebody who did and it was affected by that. I knew a dog's birthday party that got canceled, and I I don't know dog a dog, a dog a dog. I don't

know how people are hoping. And I'm just sending all my love and energy out to thank you and thank you Jane. There is I read our friend Brian Voss posted like he tweeted something like years ago there was another hurricane that was about to hit Fire Islands. It's like two thousand four, and there was a there was a woman who had all of these dogs who refused to leave the island. She says, I can't have them die, and if they die, then I want to die with them. Okay, people,

I think everyone was okay, and the dogs okay. But people on the island must, must, must do what's safest for them. You know some people live on the island. You're around, Oh, I fully do. Yeah, yeah, I went to high school with some of the girls. Do you have any concept of what it's like in the in the cold monthes? Like? Do we not fun? Like? Where are they going? There's already no food to be had in the island. Where are they going? Have you been

on the island in the winter. Yeah, we're talking about island fire. People almost go And why wouldn't you, Derek have also gone in the summer and not the winter. It's sort of a big question. We're talking to hot engineer Derek. Yeah, h d is here fish um you know when in the winter the fire island Pines doesn't have those long island teams to help run it, so

really system falls totally. Well. One of the DJs that works at Pieces, d J Mcbrowski, we love, lives out there and he does commune, so we would I want. He seems to love it. Yeah, and you know what, if you love it, good for you. Good, it's good for you. George hang out with the deer, well it's infested.

Are we going to get to the point where we I was talking to someone today where he's like, I'm thinking about buying property upstate, and I'm like, and do like the whole like Hudson to New York sort of like let's just say, I don't know about buying property on Fine Island. No, no, no, of course not. But I'm saying, like it's a similar lifestyle situation where it's like you're you're commuting into the city community and then you're and then you're going back out to like your

actual like sanctuary wherever it is. I don't know, I don't know that I'll ever do that. You don't have to worry about that for for being in l A Now wow, oh, my god, you don't live here, right, I do not. And my friends are like, are you reconnecting with New York? And I was like, I gotta say no, it's like not because we're actually early on in the Hurricane sees and already on re has sort

of played with the girls. Yeah. Um, speaking of Fire Island, Yeah, when I was last there, you treated us to a performance and we spoke about it on this pod I did. I had so much fun that day. That was like I think the day after I had one the Lady Gaga was I was high off of life, bitch. I was like, I'm going to go to Fire Island and do a show for the people by the people. It was. It was a blast. I was happy that you were there.

Was lit up, it was fun. My favorite moment of it was there was jan kept describing herself as lucky and there was a woman there who this this was iconic ye and she she goes this woman next to who by the way house and I were chatting them up. Um, this woman like was in the industry somehow. She was like used to be like shares manager or something. Yeah. Yeah, like not in a minor way, like she was in

the industry and an absolutely major Yeah. So then so then Jan's taking questions and going through like crushing and then this one goes, I just want to say something to you. You keep using the word lucky. You're not lucky. You're talented and you worked hard and you're fortunate, but you made your own path and you did that. You did that, so don't ever I don't ever want to hear you stay lucky again. And Jan's just like, thank

you so much, mama. Yeah, yeah, no, I really couldn't do anything other in that moment than just like receive because it was like a full ship, like you know me, I'm like very talkative, very like loud, and she was like, we're actually gonna take this down. That was the full intermission, honey. She said, this is the full stop and we're going to gather ourselves and so did you want to gather

you in the process? And but to be honest, it resonates like anytime I like think about that, and I'm like, oh, I'm so grateful, but oh no, you know, I'm I'm can't stay lucky. Why you're so lucky? Well? Were you trying to break out of the intermission in a way? By being like, thank you so much, mama, or was that like just her like honoring that what she was saying that was my most genuine way of saying I received that. We were it was just because the woman

was next to us. We were literally and all of yeah, all of y'all mouth on the floor, and I mean same too. I was like, is this it's for real? She really fully was like, let me just tell you something that's actually going to change your life in this moment of the woman managed share with injuries out on one part of her career. And there was like the life coach who was to me what my favorite color was? What color? What the best best? And actually we have

a category most colors and it's really hotly contested. Well and your answer was you were going to say, I know yeah. I was like I think orange is that bit in that category? And but afterwards he was like, you know, I know that. I didn't ask you like anything like life coach later and I was just like, like, you kept it light and bright and gay and gave me a color question. Um, but I was fully he was like, you know, you just need to start letting

things come to you. And I was like He's like, you are so like good, like you just had a great time here. He's like, let things come to you more. And I was like, hey, this is the school for girls right now and a pavilion and I'm actually getting an education. Yes, oh my god. I mean, look, I want to say something potentially stupid, but don't you guys, And this is anybody listening when not to be agist, but when an older person like really like looks into

your soul and tries to impart something onto you. I don't know if it's because I'm getting older, but I'm like, oh my god, thank you so much for saying that. I like really receive it now. Well, whenever, there's always like an assumption that it's going to be poignant and useful and sometimes iconically and yeah, the real ones are few and far in between. When they hit, they had this woman hit the manager, the shares manager hit. Yeah,

they both hit, and they made Drew Way. I was like, oh, okay, these are actually things that I will like use in my everyday life now. But now every time anyone ever says anything to me, I'm just gonna go, thanks so much, mama, thank you so much. That's how it happened. I can't

believe that in the flash. So speaking of speaking of sort of, um really if we're talking about the pavilion and slang, we just watched this last episode, and this was the episode where Silky Nut Meganosh did win six lip syncs in a row, and I actually have to say, if there was one that I don't think she won, it was the one I used. Thanks, you know, I heartbreaker was was was lip sync and you came in ready?

I I came in ready. I like literally could not have been more emotionally exhausted the fact that I just walked in and was like, Hey, I'm actually gonna have zero expression right now and just save any lick of energy for this, Like Tina Knowles is there, and I'm like, I need to focus. Knowles, did you know that it was gonna be Tina on the bench. They told me a second, a single second before I worked out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, That's exactly how it was. Like just in, FYI, Tina

is here, all right, jan We're going on one. I was like, okay, cool, and so and and and so. Of course my initial reaction is walking out looking absolutely furious, you know, just me and things. Um, but I was really really gagged and it was a fun lip sync. I saw Sulky with the guitar and I was just like, Mama, I'm so thrilled that I have all these pins in this fucking hair because I got a whip for my life. Yeah,

and I did, but it was it was fun. I'm happy that I could redeem myself after two ill received lip sings on the show and coming out here in a third way with um with just a little heartbreaker, a little, just a little. And also we finally saw Rue give you some goddamn credit. Can I tell you? I completely forgot that that even happened. And then I watched it after and I was like, oh my god, Like that's really great, Like that's awesome, Like I'm just so happy to be seen right now. And it's like

a nice way to close the chapter. Like I'm like, I don't think I'll be going like you know, who knows what the future holds, But I'm like, you know what if this was the last thing. That was the other thing too with the lips, and I was like, maybe this could be the very last time that you were on this stage. Have fun, live your life, and just enjoy it because it's a dream come true. Is there a feeling of actual closure now that the episode is aired? Was that the final thing that needed to

feel totally totally? It was like I just went through ups and downs when I was like watching the episodes this season and you know, it's it's just crazy being on it because you think it it's going to be one thing and it's not, but it's still great, like your life completely changes, and I was just like a little down on myself. I was like, oh wow, this is like not fun to experience. I'm not having fun tonight. And then I but that like just seeing that, I was like, this is this is a great way to

literally close the chapter. And I like left. I literally told them, I was like, I'm actually leaving this season feeling so much more confident and happy about the prospect of my future in like not even in drag, which is an artist. I'm just so happy to like leave this season feeling rejuvenated for my career and I'm excited

to see what the future holds. Where after season twelve, I was like, okay, like didn't when any challenges, I'm I'm over, I'm done and I'm like, okay, cool, Like I'm actually not like I'm going to figure it out. It's gonna be fine. And I kind of think there's something to it being quote unquote like condensed experience for you were like right off of twelve relatively soon after

twelve when to you into sex? Right? Does that? I feel like there is a a a nice sort of packing of that for you, where like, I mean, I think part of the narrative for you, Jan is that like at least like among people who like get it, is that like this poor fucking person got like put through the emotional ringer in terms of like her identity is like an artist. It's like you were like undeniably talented and like so so so so good for your

entire time there. But it's like it's like it's it always like pisces the audience off in a way sometimes where it's like, why isn't this being recognized in the way that like feels so so so clear. Did you feel that you were not? Did you feel that you were like in any way like like not recognized or like they that that you felt just like in any

way like what the fuck? Totally, I I just like went on season twelve, being like, okay, like I've I've anything that I really put my mind to in drag has come to me and I've been able to meet opportunity with hard work. And I was like, that's what Drag Race is going to be for me, and it just wasn't. And that's but that's okay, Like it was the biggest learning lesson of my life. Like sometimes it's just not gonna go your way. And of course I feel like, oh wow, like I don't think people are

understanding me or not getting me. But again, I'm like, that's just life. I'm not going to be able to literally please everyone. That was me. I grew up like a pleaser person, going to like all boys Catholic school, like literally needing to be like everything for everyone, And actually I actually don't need to do that anymore. And because because even if I try to do it, look what happens. Like it's like people are still not gonna like love me. But you know what's great the people

who do really and that's amazing. That's that's the best takeaway going in like person and traveling and stuff and like seeing these fans who come out and it's just like you've helped me like learn things about myself. You've like it's amazing to watch you grow, Like you helped me want to start drag. I'm like, that's what it's for, Like,

that's that's awesome. So like from a results perspective, like you did not want to challenge that first season, and it almost felt like there was a narrative built in on All Star six where it was like, we're almost going to keep the winds away from Jans so that we can give her the one that narratively is going

to be satisfying. So that's one thing, But then there's another aspect of being on a reality show, which we actually talked to Poverty Shallow, who was on Survivor Yeah, and we talked a lot about being perceived lately, like what is it like, what was your experience watching them as you take a sip of water getting ready for this one? What's it like to watch yourself be edited

into a reality show character? Insane? Insane because I'm like, you just see a caricature of something and somebody and you don't know the ins and out of who this person is, and like, like from from an outsider's viewer standpoint, and then to watch myself. I'm like, Okay, Season twelve,

I was like, that's that's pretty me. I was like All Star six, I was like I went in being like I'm so much more relaxed this time, like I'm just here to have a good time, and then singing and I'm like, oh wait, actually that's not what it's coming off, which is so sad, but it's it's like again, it's like it's all fine. I'm just like I'm so relaxed now. I'm just I'm just here for the right.

But I'm like, the thing about it is, and honestly, why I'm really shifting over to being an absolute Housewives stand is because I love that they can just do the damn thing and don't have to worry too much about what other people think of them. They are there to make Tell, Love, jam and television only. Yeah, they're not competing for a hundred thousand dollars. They're going to make TV, right, That's right. The the the the objective

is very clear. But I mean Matt and I were talking about this literally today, we were face timing and like, I whatever, I'm just like watching myself back like on camera and I'm like this fucking sucks. I look crazy, like I'm still not like I'm still in that stage where I'm like i am like to self perceive is

so unsettling and all this stuff and ContraPoints. She does the whole video about cringe and how like cringe is like you're not having self awareness, meaning people other people being aware about something about you that you don't know about exactly. Like that is like, what's what's the most like this really like bothersome thing. Yeah, it's because it's it almost feels like when you live in your body every single day, who has more control over what you

are and what you do than you? And then that's like we do this sick thing that people in the entertainment industry which is disturbed and we should probably be studied every anyone who ever wants to be in the entertainment industry should be in a psycho lesson get the lab running, mama, stick the things on why don't, why don't,

why don't? But like the things that so I'm just thinking, like you give up the power to dictate literally what you say and do because when you sign those contracts and I've done it, like to be on even like game shows and stuff like you sign away your autonomy and literally they could if they wanted to construct sentences like and things that you do actions um, emotional responses

to literally be someone else. And then you go on not just a television show, but the most popular television show out there, and that is like, but yet we still do do it, you know what I mean? And it's it's crazy because then you butt your nails and you're like, oh my god, I'm being perceived like whatever, but it is like it is we do give it up totally. I think that also it's like no risk,

no reward, give it and you gotta do it. Like all the great things that I got with some of the like bad things that I'm not thrilled about, Like the good outweighs the bad completely and it's like that's just kind of how I have to look at it, and it is It's just it is what ed it must also be like because we often talk about this because we are experiencing it like sort of together, like you definitely like leap frogged with the whole with like you know, sn L and like that's like happened to

you on a very large scale and we definitely we were We receive and respond to things differently, but like you had Rose go through it as well, so do you and Rose like compare notes and like emotions about this, Like totally. It's one of those things where it just it just changes you. It changes your life, like your day to day and it I literally, like two days ago, had a conversation with Rose and we were I was like,

I was like crying. I was just like, it's just so crazy that this has all happened so fast, and we all like we just got to this place so quickly, Like I've been doing this for five years, She's been doing this for four years, like and and like to be on drag race and I'll start like in that time, I'm like, bitch, Like it's nuts, But we're it's it's we're not closer physically because we're just on different time schedules now, like we don't see each other, but emotionally,

we're so much closer because we have such a we have a deeper understanding of a bond that is so much bigger than what we started out doing, and we're growing into that and finding um a new layer and level of the relationship that we had and it's it's it's awesome to like have somebody so close to me who I literally like started doing this like oh so much of like my um success as a queen in the city to like go through as well, and just to be like to have that like to be on

the other side of it is like, oh my god, like wow, we really like did that. And you know what, it's a little different now, but we have each other.

And that's no. I get so emotional whenever I talk about my sister, you know what I mean, I really I think it's like and and you realize and you recognize how hard you worked, and you know what really comes through at the end of the day that you guys are fucking machines and this is what I like, so good at what you do, like always go out there and execute the entertain And that's why I said, like, because I know that they do edit you guys into like you know, I think that a lot of New

York queens get this. It's the thing of like, oh they're a New York girl, they do it all their perfectionists, But where's the soul or you know what I mean? Or like where's this where's that? And I think it's easy to do to New York queens that are good at everything across the board because they have to be to exist and survive in New York. And like, so you go to the show and you're not labeled like the fashion girl or the comedian or whatever, and it's like, well, yeah,

because I've had to be all those things. And that's why I come across as this like fucking like you know, like I'm gonna kill it, Like who could do crowd work like you among queens and season twelve, you know, it's like that kind of thing. But sorry, no, I mean that's just true. And when I go and travel and I see all these other places in the country that have different kinds of dragon like, it is just

so so different in New York. Bigger cities like Chicago or l A. They don't do obsessed literally obsessed with all of them and all of the different scenes. But if they just it's just not New York. And when all the queens who like are on the show come through to New York or have been to New York, They're like, I don't know how you do it. I don't know how you do these two hour shows by yourself or with someone else, five nights a week, and I'm like, yeah, it's it actually is a lot. But

that's the other thing too. I'm like, I'm gonna work, like because I know how to work. If there's anything I'm gonna do, I don't care what happens on whatever I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna work because that's what I love to do and that's what I've been trained to do in the school of Dragon New York City. And I know that people are gonna be like, how New York City, But I'm like, it's just it is its own thing. As we're talking about New York drag, it's

it is. I think it's important to tie it back specifically to what Man is saying, like it is an easy edit to be like this person is so jack of all trades. Maybe that like that it feels it's an easy thing to flatten them into this thing of like, well you there's no soul, no soul thing is so pervased. What happens. It's like, I have friends that watched the show and they're like, I'm so sick of the New

York Queens thing being there a New York queen. And I'm like, the reason they say that is because what they're saying is I do it fucking all. I'm working

ten fifteen times a week. I'm out here. I'm a fucking like killer and that's the only that's the best way to get across the way I know how is that I'm on stage and competitive in the drag scene in and I'm a winner on the stage in New York City, which means that you are number one, and so like totally like someone like Britta Filter goes on and doesn't do super well on drag Race, I kind of I'm like, oh, I kind of hate that the fan is so decisive about the way they feel, because

I dare you to have a better time than go to a I mean, Adele and Jennifer Lawrence went there for a reason because she's the best, She's awesome, and I mean, but that's the thing too, It's like that that narrative does come, but it's like, I'm actually gonna go out to live here and say that actually, every single queen who has been on the show from New York City actually does not lead with saying that they are a queen from New York City, like I'm this

and this and this, and then eventually they're like, and I'm from New York City, and then of course everyone's like, well, from New York so we're gonna have to file that into this category. And I'm like, I actually can guarantee you that none of us are actually that hung up on being from New York. We're proud of it because it's like taught us about like our dragon. It's helped us,

you know, shape us as artists. I mean, I feel like also if you're like an artist working on something and you're like surrounded by like a culture or you're surrounded by an atmosphere, and you should be proud of that, especially if you're excelling in it. So I'm like, why is it wrong to be happy about something that you're extremely proud of. Why wouldn't you like slightly identify with like the community you're sort of brought up in or

that you like. I mean, that's the thing about being in New York as a drag artist is like you end up like having like these connections with all these different kinds of people who are either who may or may not happened to like be a resource for you in terms of like I don't know, like you would go out like you like I. What I love about jan two is that, like I'm referring to in the

third person, it's like you like you. It's like you like have this appreciation for comedy, like like like you were like standing Meg's Talter before the rest of the gays, you know, like that kind of thing like that and holding your thank You can't can't honestly say enough about

Meg's Salter, Can I be honest with you? I got back from season twelve and I was like so sad, so defeated, and Met came out with like one of the first videos that I saw of her, which was her like the dorm room being like like in a blonde way and I forget the exact syntax and I don't want to butcher, but I saw that video and it truly creed my depression. I was like, oh, I'm obsessed with this person. And I do like I love what y'all do, Like I just like like your comedic geniuses.

You are so good at what you do and like but and it brings everyone joy, like it really us and I have such an appreciation for him like I will never be at this level. I'm like I can, like I can make people laugh sometimes, but I'm like, I'm not a comedian, and I'm like, your y'all are just so good and I aspire to be like y'all. Like I was like nervous coming here because I heard I had heard about this Pavilion show. Like all of them were like, no, Jan has fucking jo. We were

were point thank you. Mixes were good, the mixed queen. Honestly, I love making mixes. I do well. I had a really bad devated scept them like two years ago, and I couldn't sing. Did you get it corrected? I did? I had to get more yeah, yeah, and but I couldn't. I was like, Okay, I'm gonna sing for a week out of the month, and then the other three weeks I'm not going to do anything. And I was like, you know what, I gotta start whipping out the mixes, honey.

And it like that's when people were like, oh, okay, cool, she can actually do these mixes too, and I'm like I got something here, babe. Mixes are important. I mean when we I feel like this is like years ago we were seeing Bob at Barracuda. That was the thing about Bob out of this world, this world like slave for you with like Chris Rocks, like like the only time a white person can see the N word like bit like that is like one of the most genius

like like that. That's the thing about like New York Queens too. It's like, I don't know, they're clever with the mixes and like we like we saw saw Tina Berners and it was like she has a great Tina has a great mix. Her mixes. I love the one that's like you're already with this, the one that's all the fights I love. You know who else has them? I don't know if y'all are familiar with her work. And I'm going to actually say that I think this is going to be my nominee for the little mix.

Um oh no, what is it? Being fierce Boo? Absolutely Kisa Car, he's your car. He's your car. Has the best mix in New York City, which is her God Warrior mix. Nothing is better. Get out and stay out to the God Warrior. He couldn't be better. Standing ovation every single time she does it, Wait like come on now, so get out and stay out. It's like it's it's out of this blass incredible Keisha Car another Barracuda legend that industry No, I guess Kisha, I mean Kisha is

like does that whole like circuit totally. The best part about Kija was literally, oh, hey, I'm in the Book of More Men and I'm actually going to do a show at Industry Bar at night after my eight show weekend for all of you. Keisha Car, God, Keisha Car came to the Rute Paula, I'm sorry to make this about the Ka the Rut plus now and like, oh my god, it was. It was beautiful, I don't think. And then that's when all this is okay. Yes, that was a night bitch. That wasn't a night table you

were you up on the type. It was definitely upon the table. I was that was that went down. That was one of That was maybe the I'm sorry to say, the only like fun fun l after party that I but Cecily was like, that was the funnest. Like you never get people dancing on tables. It's always like stk people like sitting down at a table like it was great. Nikki Doll was like getting up on the table hilarious. I've been seeing her pop up everywhere now is so funny.

I have gotten so close with her um from season twelve, and I'm so grateful that I have. She is hilarious and it's really starting to come into her own. She's like she would look at me hosting and she was just like, I don't know how you do it. And now she's like jokes, jokes, jokes that she's a funny, funny girl and a good time gal. She was the one who, I swear I'm pretty sure she was the one who was like, I'm getting up on the table

like her or Bretta. I'm like it really of course, And it eventually was all of us in that moment, everybody and did you get up on the table? I got up on the table? There? Does it? Me? And Josh sharpen Igo like on the table like yeah. It was really crazy. It was one of the funniest nights. I think it's time to ask you in the question. We have to ask the question, and I'm actually genuinely I'm really really question is Jan Jan Sport? Which, by the way, what was pissed that you couldn't be Jan

Sport on the show? That's okay, baby, we got we got the deal with them. It's all good. We're doing a little Jan Sport digital, so you know what, another full circle moment. It's great, that's what you deserve. You claim the identity. Yeah, I'm actually going to say you can put Jan Sport on my flyers. Al Right. So this is this is the question, really, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? And I know you understand what I do, and I have

to be honest, this was really difficult for me. Um. But the one that I think is the most and I'm sure somebody has said this and if not, as at to be the first, but um, it was the year two thousand and nine at the v M A Lady Gaga performed Papa Rozzie and I the whole thing. When she belts that Papa like we're listening to it on the radio, Honey, she's flipping into the falsetto. When

she belts promise I'll be kind, I literally floored. I'm in my room, like I don't know how old I was at that point, sixteen maybe just screaming at the top of my lungs, and I was like, oh, I'm witnessing somebody have a cultural breakthrough right now. And she changed the game in that moment, and I became so obsessed with her. I had like a shrine on my wall, like I was, like I was and still am one of those Gaga gys. And I'm absolutely at peace and

okay with that. There's nothing wrong with you don't love you don't love your No, no, I'll die on the hill. I mean, let's let's be honest and talk about Let's talk. Because that was also the performance with where unless you had seen her do pographace, I think that like some radio station, it might have been I heeart actually, but she that was the first time that I think a lot of people saw her do that foot on the

piano like it was. That was an incredible performance. She she literally in that moment that I'm gonna do it all. I'm gonna actually start with one of my biggest hits, poker Face. I'm gonna sing that in a dark sense, and then I'm actually going to play the piano after I do a wild dance break, and then I'm going to cover myself in blood. But the twist it's not over.

I'm gonna put blood in my eye, grab something, pretend that I'm literally dead, and just hold the way she held it is so remarkable with all of it in her eye. I was like, how how Because she's she's a freak of nature in a way that's just so deeply connected to who she is. She is like fully possessed. Yeah, she is one of those entertainers that will And for me, I think my favorite is the applause performance from them.

It's show in the square. The whole thing there was the circles actually culture number dying apause that was the circle there. But um, Paparazzi for me was actually the moment when it became very real to me was that I realized, like, oh, this person is here to stay. Because, to be honest with you, just dance didn't hit me as hard as it seemed to have everyone else. Poker Face. I was like, can I accept that this is love? Game was my moment where it's like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,

whoa whoa. Let's let's let's pay attention to this love game was definitely great. Paparazzi to me was like like, Paparazzi to me is an unbelievable song. If you even if you strip it all away, I think it's beautiful. My favorite from that album. Yeah, well the video. I was gonna say, are you talking about the video because

the video was also a further me. The first time I watched that video that summer of two thousands, Yeah, I was just like and literally her like coming out in the gold of the car with with the crutches. I was like Jesus the eye for talent that she had Alexander scars that and also the record label being like okay, actually budget, like we're going to actually do it for this girl right now because she's on the rise. Like they got her, they knew exactly what they had

and it was iconic to see. I literally was like, oh, I want to be this person because I feel like I like and especially like I fell down in a rabbit hole. I was like, oh my god. Like she's from New York, I'm from New Jersey, she went to a Catholic school, She's Italian. I'm Italian, and I'm like I am her I saying I dance, I do theater. Some people don't get my voice on people do I'm like.

It was very that I was like, I like love this person, and I became like truly like a giant fan and was like I can Like she just preaches about like believing in herself and like just like being like I've always been a star, but nobody's seen it

until now. And I'm like, yeah, bitch, I'm like that's awesome, like words to live by fear self, and I'm like, I want to carry myself with as much confidence as this person has and believe in myself like this person has, because nobody else is going to do it for you. You have to believe in yourself like that. And I that was the first time that I was like, oh, okay, cool. That's like when I started doing theater and taking it seriously and like really transition from like a fucking soccer

player to like fair person. Yeah, And that's like it was all around that time I like, oh, so much of myself and like my like trajectory of life, like to her speaking to me and like a deeper like queerer level. That gave me self confidence. Jan God bless you because I will never ever ever get tired of

talking about her forever. It's so it's so awful, but like I just love this like self development for you this like because I truly as pathetic I say it all the time, like she is someone who like has clarified things about like one percent what you just said. I think to really add accept saying, you know, like I've been like wow, like she really and like Matt has sort of like trailed behind me and all these times, not all these times. Now, I think we're fully caught

up at the same level of life. But for what for a while, Like when Born this Way came out, like Matt and I like it was right before we went to skid more than that year, and we would like sing in the carpet. Then I think, correct me, you can no, I'm not dragging, correct me if I'm wrong, you were like this song is not that good? Which one? In this way? I think I thought that Born this Way it was on the nose because here's the thing, and this is something I say that she wasn't on

the nose until that point too. But I also don't care that it's on the nose now looking back, Actually it can be on the nose because maybe it was a message she wanted to be very loud and clear, and I think that's actually fine and good and you know, not everything has to be shrouded in you know, artistic um, you know, secrecy or whatever, so it can actually be clear. And I think that you were born this way no matter who you are, love yourself. You're worth it. Your

valid is something that she just wanted to get. And I also think this is why I say, if you don't love God, you don't love yourself, because I don't think I. I don't think I. I think I was not in not in my body, and not in my self yet and so I saw that she was just a recklessly whoever she wanted to be at any given moment, and I wasn't getting it because I still think I had hang ups and I can assess I have enough self assessment how to say that, Like I don't know.

I just looking back, it's like I respect every single thing she's ever fucking done, and I don't think she was ever wrong to do anything, even the crazy ship. Like when she became a helicopter. I said that was one of the most time for me, top top ten, top ten moments of her entire careers. First woman helicopter and then she flew a little bit off the ground and landed. It's actually coming in at six meters off the ground, like just like like not at not meters.

She lifted off and her face just you could tell she was like lift off, like she was thinking, and she wasn't thinking as a human being. She was thinking as the helicopter. It's actually crazy because that's when she wrote Venus in that moment, and Venus to me as

a top five self produced yes. And you know what was the most devastating thing for me when she because that was supposed to be the single moment that was supposed to be a single, and she said, oh, I'm gonna do a fun little pre release of like a promos remember those do what you want and it and it did well on iTunes, and this always happens with her. It does well on iTunes for twelve hours. And she

is so excited. On the record label, I guess is so tided too that they're like scratch that, where this is the single? Here we go, And I'm like, no, like Venus was the one. It was the one, it was for us, and it's just self produced, it's essence,

it's yes. Yes, it was like nonsense, like I'm just gonna I was probably she was probably like it was like um fucking David Bowie, like Elton John, like it was like everything very like, you know, just like pop star as like Celestial Creature, you know what I mean, Like which we love Aphrodite, Ladyshell pante Venus. Imagine hearing that on the radio. Imagine hearing that we we missed out on that one for sure, reutely And I definitely

think on like on that album. I mean, I do love g u Y and I'm grateful for the video, but like it feels like it feels like like weird, weird, like don It's Hello, How is that not a single? I was stomping the streets to Donna Tella the whole album. It really does. I'll never get Kim Richard's out of my mind. Also, you know that, you know that that was like a really bad week for the Housewives of

Beverly Hills because they went there. They went there to shoot that g u Y video the day after the reunion that year, and it was a really bad year, Like none of them were getting along and speaking, and Kyle and Lisa vander Pump were not speaking at the time, and then they were in most of the video because

they're very much the stars of the show. And then they were I was watching old interviews because I'm very ill, and um, I was watching old old videos of your interviews of Kyle and she was like, it actually was really good for us to get together that day on set because we were waiting around a lot and we gave us a chance to talk. And like then, like she was in Lady Gaga was amazing and we did the video and had fun and honestly our relationship got better.

And I'm like, see that's a missing part of that, that that the guy video helped Gaga heels healed the Beverly Hills house. Wait, but let's talk about Paparazzi two thousand nine because maybe my favorite v M as ever. Um what a craze, Like they will never top that, not who cares. I don't know who they are, um MTV, I guess, But like that was just a perfect award show. It was awards show that like set off pop culture

conflicts and things for like the next decade. Like that was back back when you really had to watch the v M a s to be keyed into what was happening in culture, to be honest with you, And now those days are kind of sorry but gone. The last one was was Miley and Robin Thick like that. That was maybe the last one where everyone was was Waterpooler, like, oh my god, did you hear about like this and

that and that? Like but two thousand nine, I mean unbeatable, and then the following year of pop music, two thousand and ten, I feel like is up for our best time in terms of like the in terms of pop music, like that was a teenage dream and actually, if you want to count, like Fame Monsters part of two thousands came out in two thousand, like just what an incredible that was the moment moment And then I think was that Rihan Allowed That was oh my god, they keep coming. Yeah.

I really can't say enough about this era because this is when it happened. This is when the girls were girl and girls and they were girling and culture number the girls were growing and they were and but you know who is leading the brigade at the changed, fashion changed, changed what we're doing now with literally like looks and red carpet. She elevated when you can elevate an art form that's been so successful and completely fine without you.

And then in like a goddamn wrecking ball and absolutely changed the course of what it was. Everyone was scrambling like people like the fashion was crazy. I remember, like Lady Gaga showing up in a goddamn meat dress and Nicki Minaj is showing up in a gene best like and and when she likes the gene best any woman on the set would like it, but like it's she like. It just changed every time. There was something about two and we say it with love. But this is again

you mentioned Beyonce. This was before Beyonce did four, which I believe was the turning point in Beyonce. And in single Ladies, there was a reference to Gaga and that aesthetic there was and there was also that moment where there was cross over the video for single. They shot that before I think the same came out. But sometimes I think Beyonce gets to scoop on what the girls are doing at the time at the time, and I think a lot of the girls had what we call

sleeper agents. And I believe that the girls actually had sleeper agents. I don't know if they were the dancers h speaking and you know what, I'm just everything this is I mean everything. I tell everyone, don't ever talk it in the h Don't ever talk in HMU. These girls are the eyes, ears, and mouths and the hands, and they will see you with those hands and you will look at masks. Don't talk ship to HMU. If you know anything, you know that HMU are the best

people on set. They run if they're like, we need you on set now, and HMU says, no, you're not getting I'm not gone. And also if you think I'll even let them roll without getting my last looks I want, people won't be absolutely not. This ponytail is going to be quaffed like it was for continuity. Stay the wrong thing in the chair. You look in the mirror and think you look good on camera. You look at goddamn qua.

Can I say something, But all I'm saying is like, at that time, it felt like, yes, I agree with you. Gaga was leading the charge because Gaga was the one was commercially most successful and also artistically most interesting, and to be both of those things is not no. And at the time, I think Katie wanted the artistic respect, and I think that like someone like Rihanna also wanted the artistic respect totally. I think they've both achieved it

now in different ways. Like, well, Rihanna obviously now was across the board respect at a billion dollars. You don't. She is essentially like walking art now. But at the time, which is this this year, this ar to doesn't tend not even Beyonce was at that level. Beyonce was peak pop star, but it would be a few years until Beyonce was like, actually I'm a deity and everyone was like, yes,

you are and always have been. But Gaga was the one who was walking the walk in terms of like actual creative and artistic output that is art pop. And sadly, I think the shift for Gaga and Beyonce, where Beyonce kind of took that role was when art pop happened. I thought that Beyonce was going to be what like what Beyonce ended up being, was going to be what

art pop was in terms of the visual aesthetic. I was like, she's combining art and pop. This is going to be a very visual era for us, and we're going to get an entire visual album for this and it just did not happen, and that is sad. But Beyonce said I'm coming in with this visual album, I'm actually dropping it without anyone knowing, and I'm going to

take the world by absolute storm. And that's when that shift was because because the it's the hardest part when you're at the top and everyone's expecting you to fall a rail. And I don't think that that album was

a fall or a failure at all. I think maybe there were things that I would have done differently and all my expertise, but it's just like and so it goes, and so it goes, and yet like you know, and that's what makes sort of the anytime I understand when when people are like, well I always thought art prop was good because I kind of count myself as one of those people. But also I understand, like it's frustrating to have that sentence sentiment because you're like, well, like

you know it would have been. I don't know, it's it just it shook out the way it did, and like it's not you hate to look back on something and be like that was underappreciated. Yeah, but it definitely was.

I mean that's the thing too, And it's like it's also got that weird thing of like even if you like to do what you want, like it's mared, you know what I mean, Like and unfortunately, like that is a weird decision that she made, like to even have him on it, because let's not pretend like we didn't know the score with R Kelly at the time. Like I definitely think there was like weird decision making happening there, because I do think that she was a little scattered.

But also that's why I like the album is because I think it really did say I'm throwing it on the walls and like this artistic sense and like it has all stuck up there for me right now, and maybe I'm not going to make like discerning choices about it. It's all there. It's this messy output and I don't even really know that anyone if they were to describe what are pop is in a nutshell or like give it a thesis that everyone would not one person would

have the same definition as someone else. But that's sort of great about it because since then she has so clearly done these different eras, like you know exactly that she was going for. Now we are on the house of Gucci era and it is going to be goofy honey. But I'm ready, I'm ready for I'm ready for the realization of not just Italian girl from New York, Italian woman from Italy. Absolutely it is going to be an

extremely goofy movie. Honey to the trailer, I literally and I was just like, I watched it and I cried because I was like, I don't know if it's going to be good or not. Yeah, it's it's it's Russia, It's it's it's a little Russian, and you know what, I'm here for you. I'm here because you know what, the bitch, but I am their son. I'm like, oh my,

she really into something. She does something. I think I've said this before when she says house like that, she really she's really actually doing something an authentic oral posture there, Like it's I think I think it will actually be very good. I think it will be so good. Also noticed, if you if you look at like the Oscar predictions, she has not fallen from the top spot. People are still like even people that write about it, and they're like, this looks goofy as hell, but she's got damn it.

If it's not going to be a watchable in camp, the fashion, the cast, the budget, it's gonna be good. Yeah, I will probably like fall out of it for a second. That's late, and just like laugh for a second because it's here. But she's so The thing that I love about this woman is that she commits yes, and I love it. I can't wait to day. Like just in the trailer, I'm like, she is going for it. So here's the deal, Like you can always boil it down,

especially now that we're working on this movie. I'm like, like, you realize how important the director is, Like Andrew On that we're working with right now is so brilliant. This movie is directed by really Like let's not forget the gifts he has given, like one of my favorite movies of all time Thomba and Louise, like fucking so much gold,

like alien bitch. Like this is someone who's been iconic from the beginning and again and so many different thoughtless records, so many different genres, so many has directed so many performances to OSCAR nominations, you know what I mean. It's like, you know, this is a weird comparison, but like like angry ish, like someone who like excels the different genres, directs different oscars, like winning performances, like you're like, damn

or Oscar nominated at the very least. It's like, this is like, there's no way not and again not a spotless record either with a I don't mean to bring him into the conversation, but yeah, it's like with Redley Scott, it's like, you're gonna be interested no matter what. With him, I'm looking up the filmography. You're gonna be interested in Adam and Jared and Gaga and fucking and so many of our friends have been like, no, this is perfect.

This is even better than Stars Born. Oh, because the Star is Born, like was kind of still trying to go for something like serious or take itself seriously somewhat, and this is not concerned. That's my hot take on Stars Born. I was like, they are trying to make this the most height end version of a very unrealistic world, and it could not have been. I thought that there

was a disconnect there a little. I was like, I wish that it was a little campier, and I'm hoping with House of Gucci that it's campy but directed so well that you know that it does take itself seriously but also has that twinkle in its eye about if they can marry those together. I think it's gonna be everything.

I mean, homography of really Scott, like just naming some alien Blade Runner fucking film, Emluise, Gladiator, black Hawk down like full on war film, American Gangster Prometheus, which I loved, I loved for me, the Martian Um and like you know, there's some like sort of flops in here too, like but and then House of Gucci, like I don't know.

I just think there's a lot of different kinds of movies there, but one thing that there is in common is that there's a lot of committed performances like for example, in Gladiator, um Joaquin and Gladiator like that like crazy villain like almost Faggy like I love, like it's camp. And then like you know, Thelma and Louise, like both

those ladies like fucking crushing it. Like I don't know, wog I mean this is okay, Like I still have some trouble every now, and then reconciling this Gaga like full on a list movie star and still like fulfilling her pop star duties. Reconciling that Gaga with two nine like fame Araga, like those are the same person to me, and that's crazy, yes, yeah, And and then even like most recent like Tony Kaka like like it just it, but it's it's because she commits and gives her a

hundred percent of herself to it every single time. That it's so earnest and we can look at it and be like, wow, of course this person became this person because she's so she was so committed from the jump, and she was so different, and she's doing all these different things like who else, no one else could do what she does. I really believe that, and for all those reasons, like she's like, she's my number one, number number one, so wait, it's so iconic that you got

to win, not only hear from her. Um Okay, so I know that she has seen it and and liked it, which is amazing. House Labs gave me um a post on their they like reposted the performance, and I was like, you know, if House Labs is doing it, I'm sure she's had to been like yeah, I'm not like if she didn't like it, I'm sure she wasn't like no, I don't want this anywhere near my makeup or whatever.

And I was like, you know, I'm sure, like she like, I'm sure she like I know that she liked it, so I'm like she would have had no reason to dislike Yeah, no, things like it was iconic and I found out like what the challenge was, I was just like, I have to do Gaga. I have to Dogga because it's yeah, she's number one, She's my number one. Like to win a challenge, like to win the Rusigal Challenge

as Lady Gaga. That was definitely like, I think that this last episode was incredible and we were watching and screaming in the whole time. We really had so much fun. But probably my second favorite was that challenge because also shout out to Trinity, who fucking and also von Zell Solomon sang down, Oh my god, do I need to

talk about von Zell Solomon. Von Zell Solomon is literally one of the biggest reasons why I sing the American Idol show Stoppers album when she said treat me Right was on replay in my home, in my room, ear next to the speaker, belting out these notes from such a young age I love. I'm going on record saying I'm absolutely obsessed with Bonzollman and she hasn't done so like like I like, my parents can literally be like, oh, you sang that song like ten fifteen times a day

for weeks like it was. And that's like where I learned like a love for singing. I was like, I want to sound like this incredible singer. We'll get this. So I too was obsessed with her when she was on American Idol, and I feel three four four four. I felt like crazy because I felt like I was the only one being like, I mean, she's the best at the time when she was like getting to like top three, and then it was her, Carrie and Bow and I'm just never going to respond to someone like Bow.

He wasn't for me. He was very much from my mother Um and Carrie I understood as the person they wanted to win, and I understood her as very talent, done in, someone who would sell records. But I was like, I feel like it's weird, like we're not we're not giving this girl the credit like Ze. So she gets eliminated. I never forget her years and years and years and years later, I get this show on Quimby Game Show.

So one of Dave and I's ideas, one thing I really wanted was I wanted our house band to be one female singer, and we were referred to her as the house band, and I remembered that von Zell Solomon had done the CBS Diversity showcase with Josh Sharp, so I knew she was like around. So I said, we we we were figuring out who to get, and I'm like, if this is like very random, but there was this like American Idol contestant years ago. I know that she

like is around, like we could reach out to. Her name is von Zell Solomon, so everyone falls in love with her. She gets the gig on game show, she gets introduced to Leland, and then that's how he hooked her up with. So now I literally it's one of my pride and joys that I can say that to myself that I like helped amplify ven Zelle because like and she does not she mary needs my help at all because like she walks into any room and is

a start. But I'm so like happy that Leland, like Brett liked her so much that he wanted to work with her more. And then when I heard her sing that like Beyonce mixed that Trinity lips in to bring back my Girls Beyonce version, Brett played it for me like a long time ago, like why I was over his house hanging out. He played it for me and I was like, oh my god, I cannot wait for that to come out. And then to see Trinity just executed so hard. I was like, this has to be

one of the best moments on the show. It was the track. We sang it all the time like everything, Like we were like Trinity, like that's that's a track on the road, honey, like she's been killing season, killing it. I love Love Trinity. Season six was the first one that I watched live and just um seeing her and her journey and I'm like, I'm in the room with t and I get to see this bitch. Do Beyonce

right now? Honey? It's grazzy. She is so good and I was so happy to see her shine in the moment and von Zel too, like won't the industry do it? Like like keep the keep hanging? Did you scream when jumped onto this stage? Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell every single person who's listening right now. Publicist readers go to the Rue Paul's Drag Race YouTube, watch this lip

sync and listen. You will hear me underscoring the entire thing, screaming the whole That's why they picked me for the confessional. In between, I was freaking out. I was like, this is a season six by dream Like, I'm watching this ins front of my eyes, both of them killing it like crazy, holding her own look Ganja like and Leganja had us all in stitches the entire time, Like talk about somebody who is just so tapped into themselves. And

I love Leganja. I got to see Leganja a couple of weeks ago when I was in l A and I was like, Mama, I'm like just watching you and seeing you shine so brightly in this moment. I'm like, I've always believed in you. I've always seen so much of like myself in like you and who you are, and to see you just absolutely blossom and shine in this iconic what it's like. It's really like it has to be like top three, if not like the best

one of all times. Like it's like it's it's it's amazing, And we all knew in the moment, we all knew in the room. Well, especially when you think about and this goes without saying, like everyone already knows this people who've watched for people, especially people who watched season six at the time and air and then like have been on this have tractal Gondre's journey since then, Like she probably went through one of the more traumatic experiences on

that show. Totally. Well, I mean she was, she was. She was like she was one of those early figures of like everyone like fucking attack this person and patients here for someone. Well, I mean like, yeah, you know what the worst part about that is people are coming for her. She is the vernacular of this entire franchise, Like how are we going to It's it's so polarizing. Everyone is so fucking fickle, But like it's it's she is.

She's done so much. We say it all the time, we are quoting her con she obviously like I mean like she's like pulling all these like form these like isms that are like originated like by like queer black people,

queer black trans people. But it's like, but like you know, there's something to be said about the way she like really went for it and curated these things absolutely, like it is like you can trace it back to Lagna at least within the show totally, and like, of course with the history of where it comes from with like trans black women, but also like you can't have a both.

You gotta really either be on the side of Lagana and and like appreciate her doing my new thing is like get into it or get out, Like get out and stay at a full circle like it's I just I love the bench seeing that live was left. Yeah, because there's up and it's stuck and we're like, where the hell is this PERSONA you never know who it is, no, never, never, never, We never get any like inkling or anything like that. And so just to hear a distant echo, come on

all Star six knew you knew. I had full body cells. I had full body it's freezing in that studio. I had full body chills. I was like, I can't believe this is happening right in front of my eyes. And I mean there's some I mean now, especially I did feel bad for Silky and that moment when when she threw the thing and it smacked Silky right in the

sucking face. But now it's fun to think about because Silky ended up like having this great triumphant moment herself totally, but like her on the pit stopped talking to Tricksie. That was also like the projects, a little like supplemental thing where you're like, oh, she's good. She's in a great place, in an awesome place. She was so funny. And you know what the other thing, too, is is when you watch the untucked of her in that episode, watch the untucked of when they bring her out of

the van, it's eighteen seconds of pure gold. She's like, doors open, and she's like, you're gonna tell the stone that this big elephantor doesn't know. But I thought I was gonna just whisk it all away, like it's she is on another planet high and just like but she needs to be yes and the best pitch speaking of the pit stop when she was talking about like how

how many milligrams is like a functioning level. That's me and like my worst moment, I'm spiraling when I'm at thirty okay, or on eating sugar fish and it's all the same. But like, I wait, did you give me an edible in Fire Islands? And that was good? Ship, I gave you a mushroom. Oh that's right, you can took up. Those were good. We ran into We ran into Jan and the girls and we all went into what was that? That was like the later night night

right talk about transforming the space girl completely different. That was a fun night. That was really fun. I'm telling you that week was so good that this was the night before you got there. That's right, that's right. But I remember seeing calling the boardwalk and I was like, hey, guys were in the building. They were president, come on, come, come on season. So when you're performing in doing all this that now you're traveling, you're you're singing live now,

and do you sing like live? Always know? The vocals were incredible that night. Thank you. It's one of those. Yeah, I'm somebody who like if I'm not really getting sleep, it's gonna be hard. So and like with the travel and honestly, like with the air like I was just when I was in La. I hate to say it. It's dry, it's too dry, and my cords were just

a nightmare. And then like I get sinus infections like super easily, like even with the even after Yeah, I think I have to go get it like re looked at because I'm like, oh God, like it's happening again. Where it'll like it's on or it's it's it's often a major way. But that's the thing. It's like I have other moments that I can do, Like I love my mixes, Like I try to sing live every time that I can, because it's I feel like it's people

with you. It's like, you know, it's not just going to be like, you know, here's so and so come out to sing. It's like, here's a singer singing. Did you get like a rhino septo? Um? No, I didn't do any rhino. So when they took my sister own, I got a rhino septo and like I think that they did correct like a deviated septom that was in

there I didn't know about. So now it's better. But it doesn't matter if you live in l A. It's really and I'm wondering if like maybe that's just because I was there, like I left two weeks ago, Like I'm wondering if it's just like it was a residual moment that it just I was like out there, like we're in the middle of the desert like this thing, and so I was like, oh, okay, like I'm probably just dry as hell, and it's just like adding on

top of it. Plus I'm like doing night work. So I'm like, oh, I'm literally up like like we're like we're shooting from like yeah six to like six and like also it's not sleeping, don't you feel it? So you went you're like hyper aware of your instrument? Yes, oh, one thousand percent. I wake up every morning and I'm literally like, like where am I Like I have to just like see where I'm at because it does dictate like my day or like my work or like everything

like that. So I'm very annoyingly aware. But that's poco. That's like I'm not saying is annoying obviously, but it's like you have to like not that's your way. I'm not not, You're not. I'm not not. I feel like people who people who come out of there are like just precise n Jackson, Katherine McPhee, Kather McFee. We were watching um with the same voice teacher really Catherine Katherine McFee.

We were talking about her first American Idol audition when she said God Bless the child and like it's still one of the craziest robber vocals I've ever heard. Beautiful. I mean, let's separate the art from the artist, like Banks rules are separating the art from the artists. Wait, what's the to Alice Ripley ship? Who I haven't? I do? You do? You know the deal? Let's take a deep dive into TikTok right now. Do you all have TikTok?

I do. I don't, but my algorithm does. Isn't smart enough to know that, like I would be interested in like sort Broadway TikTok Okay. What I gather and I don't know too much about this is that somebody was a big fan. UM was a young was a young fan, like twelve or thirteen, and was very UM like in the fan base of Alice Ripley was like a big

fan just like really loved her. And I believe Alice Um responded to her in a way that UM made the girl feel like closer to her and and and enticed her in a way like that where it where it was grooming and um, and I'm like and I read it and I was just like, oh, I wonder and then I just like, as the story was going on, I was like, I wonder what she said and what she did and when the girl was like it was this, it was this was this And when other people and

I was like, oh whoa, Like that's not good off the jump, and then like doubling down on things where other people were like her relationship with you was weird. Seeing that, I was like, that is not what the kids, not what the kids know that, and it's yeah, like and now this girl's like on TikTok telling her story, it's like sad. I'm like, oh god, like you were so young, and like that's horrible. I don't even like

I have young fans too. I'm never gonna like they were talking about like lingerie, I could not even imagine. Maybe she didn't know that how girl, how young the girl was. But the thing is just like you can. So that's where it's just like to have a certain relationship with that person at that point, I feel like when you're a star. And that's what's weird too, is it's like I don't know, it's like you never know

who people are going to be online. It's it's weird, like it's it's like a little scary and freaky when you think about, well, it seems like and it seems like she was the person to like engage in initiation and this totally that's that's where that's like she was like, exactly, yeah, who he was talking about talking about? Um, well, I mean, if you know anything about Alice Ripley, it's like there's something off the peppermint twist twist about the game? Is

the peppermint twist? Her YouTube? Oh, her YouTube circut two thousand nine, like right after right after next to or something like, yeah, I think that's what that's what the channel is called. Next to Normal was one of the most transformative Broadway experiences I've ever had. I've never cried

that hard in a Broadway theater. I I literally from from Hey number three through so anyway, I'm leaving all the way through, um fucking I am the one who loves you, that through the end of that, and then I'm like, literally, I I'm screaming, sobbing in the audience, and so was everyone else. Absolutely I missed Broadway. Yeah. I was on an anti Broadway kick for a moment where I was just like, this is just too much, Like we're doing too much with this, the shows that

we're doing right now. We gotta figure it out right now, y'all. Girl. But I am like hardcore back on a Broadway kick. I'm like I can't wait to see shows. I want to be on Bucking Broadway, like I want to do it. I'm in a major way, like I want to be back. I would stock bad Cock to see like Honey, I shrunk the kids the music. I'm not even kidding you. I want to see and I really think that this would be and this is my own star vehicle right now.

I would think that the one that I want to do so bad is I want somebody to make a miss Congeniality music and I wanted to be they. I want them to be like for me or like somebody else, like double castes, like the boy version, like like Crazy is like now a boy, but like she becomes drag queen. Yeah, and that's like it's never gonna I love the idea of it. It's my favorite movie. So I'm like one

of a million, you one in a million. The dance break for that, Yeah, that's that makes these Thanksgiving Day parade for Yeah. I got to tell San Sandra. I was like, you just have to know that, like there's been this like re reappreciation for that dance number from that that part of the movie on like gay Twitter. I guess yes. She was like really, Oh that's so fun. And I was like, I just had to talk. That

was one moment of like fangirling. It's just like I have to It was two, it was a long time ago. Girl was twenty week decades old. I was an establishing Towers. Yeah, it was thousand one. These movies old. And let's talk about a successful musical. Adapt should the best? Was talking about the Doll yesterday. Yeah, I said, maybe best opening number in a contemporary musical. Oh my god, you guys, it burns the house down. Yeah, Rivals defying gravity with so much better. And I have to say, and I

have to be honest, I feel really bad. One day. Um, one day I was tweeting and um I and I um said, like it's I was like, legally Blonde is so underrated, which I now realize is like not the right syntax for what I was trying to say, because I just so appreciate the musical and I'm like, this should have won every single Tony Award. It should have swept. And people were like, it's actually not underrated. It's the most like regionally performed musical like ever, and I'm like,

I don't mean it like that. I don't mean like that. I want I'm gonna get into my I don't think so honey later and we're gonna say shut up girls with the Twitter. Okay, but like are circling back into that during the conversation ship. But yeah, I was like, I was like, that's not what I mean by that. No, I actually have nothing but the most love and respect for this musical and I just want the world I

wanted to win in twenty one. I wanted to win Best Revival when it gets revived, because that's going to be must it will be. It has to be. Well, it's a star vehicle for an actress like Joel and I did that, Um did the Legally Blond podcast and do you remember like watching the show, like the role of l is so hard and you have to be so funny and such a good singer and hold this center and Laura bell Bundy like say what you want. But the thing is like Laura Bell Bundy was serving down,

she was carrying down. I'm not prepared to say that about Laura Bell Bundy, but must And I'm telling you, when I saw this is the I think the moment I realized it was like literally literally literally I'm in the back row. Parents spread the musical. You could not get tickets. My parents somehow got tickets. It was the original Broadway cast. Matthew Morrison, Bitch, Harvey Fierstein, Marissa Jaron went over all the dolls Um Carrie Butler um as

Penny Oh. Miss ambervon Talusa was played by Laura Bell Bunny and the high harmony was being belted in a way that made me during you can't stop the beat, when they're like, we can make cat that and then when they go yes Mac and literally I start crying profusely from joy. My mother turst to me, why are you crying? I go, I don't know. I was so happy. That was the first time you saw the like I know exactly that feeling. It's visceral, was belting out you

can't stop the beat. At the end, I was just like the Catharsis was so on another level in the room. I was just like, I literally like my body could not contain it. Everyone's involved, everyone rate number. I love that musical so much. It's a good one and one that what I love about it is that like John Monters is like, yes, I approved, this is like the best.

This is the best version of what it could have been real camp, the music, the the coreo, the everything, every just like the fucking time period, Like how funny it is and then also the twist a sickening message yeah actually s yeah, like it's it's it has it all, it really does. It's one of the grades sickening. This is what I wanted to ask before we go and die.

Don't think so, honey. So we were talking about this this week, like what was what was the dissemination of information I guess for you guys when you were eliminated, Like okay, like these are the songs you guys, these are extra songs you guys should learn for For No, it wasn't like extras. It was just like a long list that we had like from the jump, so amazing, and you learned them all. You probably know a bunch

of those. Yeah, you know a bunch of them. I'm just a psycho and like you're especially during the quarantine because we had a quarantine before we like set, I was like, okay, cool, like I have the list of songs. I was like, let me just familiarize myself with the ones that I don't know, and then like absolutely raped to the ones that they do, so it was it was fun, like you get to just learn and I'm

like psycho musical theater. I'm like, I'm going to write down all the lyrics for these songs because I want to know them and like just just have them down and like memorized, like just in case. But was the list longer than it wasn't like twelve let's say, Or was it comparable? And yeah it was. It was the same. It was the same. They did a great job of disguising it, like we had no idea, like what was happening with this entire game within a game, and like

they just absolutely no idea. I love it. So do you do you when you get those lists like for this season, Like was there a song that you were like, fuck, hope I get that. Yeah, it was phoned by Lizzo. That was amazing. Yeah, Ginger, Ginger really did and they have too. They both really killed it. But I was like that or and of course, like I'm sandwiched in between with Womanizer love it free brittany um, but I I just it. Yeah, just was not my shiny moment

and that's it's good. But so it's I don't think so honey, literally so, I don't think so honey. It's sort of that segment we do where we do remember sixty seconds I think sixty sity seconds around on something in pop culture that you know what it's time, it's time, we say it's time, we say, I don't think, so honey, Matt, you have something I do I do. Okay, we'll start with the amount as usual. This is Matt Rodgers. I

don't think the only as time starts now. I don't think so honey that the hurricanes have names, because what it actually hurt ful to the people that have those names. Talking to someone right now whose mother is named Katrina, talking to someone right now who had a dog named Sandy and had to watch that dog go through that. Why the fund can't we just say, hey, y'all, hurricanes coming, duck and cover. Hey y'all, maybe hurricanes coming, Buy three

bags of ice and put him in your freezer. Numbers heard of, numbers, heard of, colors, heard of I don't know shapes. Why do we have to ascribe them names? Because then, guess what, it gets re accomplicated, because then we have people walking the earth and they have to fucking know, like you know difficult. That was my mother. My mother was the trauma of Hurricane Katrina than many

people that actually went through real bad things. But it didn't didn't feel good for my mother when that was happening. And Katrina did not deserve that. No, Katrina did. And I will say something here, Hurricanes don't like you in general, but when you get personified, it sort of gives you this like human nature that gives you more credit. And I don't want to. I don't want you to have any credit hurricanes. I don't think so. Honey, you're all your names and that's one you know what I mean?

Why do they need names? And I would like any readers will help us. Is out there that our meteorologists sort of let me know why they need names? I can tell you. I think it is just for like organizational or you know you know what. No, no, no, I'm coming to the conclusion right now. It's the media wanting camp them naming. Didn't we just have one named Elsa? She's in culture right now. They didn't just name it

Elsa for no reason. You're you're gonna tell me that a Frozen hadn't come out in the last ten years whatever, that we were going to name this specific hurricane Elsa no camp So I did, I did look this part up. So there's people that have a job and their meteorologists and they get together at the top of the year and they decide on the name they sign. Isn't that so stupid? Like what is this fucking like Cosmopolitan magazine? What we got to do an editorial meaning about the names?

And then then they pick on re flops get out of here, get out of here. No, you're right, why why why why is there this nomenclature for earthquakes or wildfires or like any other natural disasters. It just doesn't feel right to me. It feels like it feels it feels weird. It's like also like I don't know, like we're already scraping the bottom of the barrel with ri It's like we're running out of the name. Do they reuse names? Like? I guess at certain point they're going

to have to. That's how we're GONNATO re like and you know what I mean, Like, there's gonna be more hurricanes going forward, ashtaut Climate report. So now if you're telling me that we're on on re Now what the fund is next. Yeah, why can't we make and even if it's the same name, why can't we put in parentheses the year parent trap? Why can't we Why can't we do that? I just don't like the names of it all. I feel like I feel bad for the

people that have those names. I feel bad too. But to be a fly on the wall in that meeting, like you know, something like just like tugging their hair behind their ears, being like I'm gonna say it, Elsa sorry, but Elsa like, oh yeah, should be ruin this thing for kids? What if that's a really bad one? Oh

my god, we haven't even thought about that. We've been saying it but actually putting it together with a name that actually not means something to me, But like I actually like I have a relationship to because we all know the movie pros Yes, I was Whoa Okay, just like imagine like if you were Hurricane and also just like imagine being the flap in the room. It's like, Okay, I have a list, um Tara, And they're like, no, I have another idea, um Sarah. And then the whoever

it is, it's like what about on Red? And they're like, but like what if they're all like, maybe this is they're fun. Like, what if they're all just like they're like, hey, guys, all right, we're going to my house. I'm bringing the edibles, We're gonna order Papa John's. Let's let's take a dive. Like, what if we're thinking about this in the wrong way. What if they're like elsa like and everyone's like, job

is already fun enough for them. They get to put send balloons up to the sky, they get to stand in front of a green screen. The job is already fun. You get the skin in front of green and actually they really do have a lot sticks. They don't need to have this extra fun thing show off their personality. Maybe stumble on a word here or there, and and we when we love it and we love it and we love it. But you know, I think you're you're

really onto something. Mr potential, You got potential, speaking, you got potential. We might have someone chicking one off that. No it's not. The Emmys are in weeks. Um alright, so speaking of this fish, it's actually Boonen's turn to don't think, Sonny, do you have something? I have something? I love to hear it. But this is actually very pertinent to us, the everyone in this room pertinent to us, all, even you over there, hreading head, Alright, this is Bowen.

I don't think so, honey. His time starts matter. I don't think so, honey. Fourteen floors, Okay, you're not getting away from the fact that we're on the thirteen. You're not making me feel any better about the fact that we're on the floor. That something bad will happen. A ghost is gonna come at the fucking vents and haunt us. No, I'm gonna be possessed by a demon when I walk out this building because I'm on the fourteenth floor with all these lovely people, and there's what I'm staying on

in a hotel on the fourteenth floor. You're not you're not You're not pulling you're you're not pulling one on patronizers, patron patronizes. You're a patronizer. Oh and I don't think and I don't think the want to even me abscribing to thirteen superstitions. As we have, we learned nothing from Taylor Swift. That woman has embraced the number thirteen, and

look how her life turned out. She's beautifully and look if the girls are gonna be girling and then let us girl and not have to worry about the number thirteen or if it has any actual significance. I've never had a bad Friday the thirteenth and my goddamn life. And that's one minute. The way you said that, I have to say I still agree because let me tell you the most fun elevator in the world, the Tower of Tower. She gets off on the thirteen dropt to

you all the stories, honey. And let me tell you something. If you haven't watched the Disney Plus series Behind the Attraction, you're missing out hunt because they get they get into the Tower of Terror in a way that is a gag and they have thirteen floors on that and that's the best building in the world. There. The conviction you had with that was absolutely beautiful, right Why pretend? Well?

I like that I was able not to give myself credit, but I like that I was able to balance like thirteen, like like you're reminding us that thirteen is an unlucky number, and I just want us to like just engage Meredith. Meredith, So can I say something? Who said that thirteen was on the who it feels Christians very Christian I really tell us. I can't confirm or deny, but I will say it's there's something deep within my trauma from Catholic

school that is going absolutely that. Yeah, I had a visceral reaction to when you brought up that and put it into the narrative. And I'm saying it has to have those ties. I don't know how to describe it, but I'm like, who said that there on? Third Team was unlucky? And then I'm like, I I blame I blame the Christian faith. I blame Christianity, Yes, among with among with many other things, among many other things. Yes, I blame for all, for all Dan I did before

I forget. You have to know, and I'm sure you're sick of hearing this, but on set always say, is not this we even do? We even do that, the hand, the hand tucking the hair back like we do, we do it, and we studied it important films. Actually, it's an important importance like Citizen Kane of Three Second Films. Thank you. You know. That was literally my introduction to Cameo. I was filming a video to go, hey, y'all, I'm

on Cameo right now. Yeah, everyone go to my cameo right now, you'll literally see the full length feature film of not This into My introduction for cameout, like and I'm like spring Chicken, like just so extending, like hey everyone, Like after I was like, hi everyone, I care out now, like just I really literally we watched it tis the other day. Find I challenge the publicists to find two more more powerful pair of words, just words two words to the fireworks on and I don't know what it was,

but it's like accompanied by a short little scream. And I was like, oh no, yeah, because because everyone anytime that it's like it's resurfaces on like on the internet, like every now and again every time without fail. It's like it's everyone, okay, like are people getting shot out there? And I'm like, it's literally fireworks, but like I totally get it, like yeah, because it's like like it's horrifying. It's a blood curdling scream. I'm on the fifth floor

of a building. I'm in the corner, honey, Like that was like I heard it, okay, yeah, microphone on my iPhone at nine at the time, picked it up the scream. People forget about the scream. I will amazing. Oh my god. Wait, jan you're gonna love behind the attraction because I know you're a Disney gay. Yeah, I have not watched you have. Okay, that's what I'm gonna go do tonight. I you know, I came back today and I said, honey, we're doing it. We're gonna order Olive Garden and we're going to enjoy.

I'm gonna watch some of that. I'm gonna watch. Yeah, we can. I'm not going to go off on a potomac because because honestly, and I am obsessed, thank God with that. This is turning into but like not in an un organic way. It's it is culture. It's been gradual and like we've been like like, look, I'm I'm one of those like you know, audience ciphers for people like the standing for the person who's like I don't watch house I didn't until like two years ago, and

now I'm like, fully, oh yeah, I'm invested. Like I mean, we wouldn't be talking about it and it wasn't good. So just you know, we we we know that there are still someone actually tweeted at us. Um it's it's it's not that I don't like housewives or it's not that I don't like that lost culture. This is turning into a real Houseways podcast. I just needed them to acknowledge that it was turning into a real Housewives podcast, and now I will actually consider watching it. I'm like,

that's perfect, beautiful journey. Also, it's like, you know what, here's the deal. If other culture were as good right now, is Lord had come a little harder on this album on I'm sorry and guess what. I guess who loved the first two Lord albums, but a girl this one was not. There's some good stuff on it. I don't want people to write it off so quick. Some good stuff. You know what I will say is a great album.

Our sister, Ben Platt put out a great album down, singing down as always, singing singing, Way to go, sister, And here's our other sister. We can't wait for this. I don't think so honey, She's done it before God created this is jan Sports. I don't think so honey, and her time starts now. I don't think so honey. Children crying on plane, thank you. I can't do it. I was on seven flights in the last four days, and you know what, screaming kid on all of them.

I and you know what, kids love them. I'm sure they're so lovely off the plane parents. I don't know how you do it. You are wonderful superheroes of this earth who are actually raising children in this time. However, I do not like it when I am trying to s L E E P after a show that ended at four and My and My Planet at six a m. I do not like it. And a sidebar, I don't think so, honey to the people on Twitter telling me that I shouldn't be angry about kids crying on planes,

do you enjoy that soundtrack? I certainly do not. And you know what, I'm allowed to say that I don't. It's okay that I don't. I love kids outside of the thing. Can't wait to be an uncle one. I do not like them crying. And as a kid who was a crier, I can say that that's one minute you're taking it back, take it back. I can say that, of course I was. I'm a gemini. Iis from a young age, bitch like I. I'm an emotional many sides, many layers, and like Brady as hell as a kid

to like it's it's but just correct. Only child no, I have two younger sisters. Got it plane crier? Though I don't think I've wrote that any player when I was younger, but I would imagine so I have like really weird again what the higner says, like I remember specifically, I think my first trip to Disney World again. I remember like flying into Orlando, screaming my ears off in orange pants that became zip up shorts, like and just bawling my eyes out because my ear drums hurt so bad.

It like they were no joke ears on planes? Were you sensitive to that? I was not, but I my sister was. I remember being at that age and being like, I get white kids cry on and as as I've aged, I get it less. That's the irony. I'm like, don't. I don't empathize with that anymore. I don't like you, like, don't come on the plane if it's going to hurt you, because I think when you're a little kid, it's like you know, when you're a little kid and like everything

is a big deal being on a plane. Of course you think you're going to be on the one that crashes. Oh, I still think I am every single time I fly. Maybe that's just something I have to figure out with my psychiatrist. But like I I'm in the same no, no, no, it's it's just self selection biased like human beings do it.

It's like you're like I will be the exception and my my case will be like the edge case and that like yeah, but it's but when you're a kid, everything's a big deal, and so you may be like you understand why another kid is feeling a specific strong way, yes, but as an adult, you're right, it's like all I want to do is turn to them and be like, I gotta be honest, it's not that big of a deal.

And like you are being too much, and like you'll be embarrassed about this later, Like you will, And that's the worst emotion than what you're going through right now, is the shame and embarrassment you will feel later for the way you're acting right now. You're gonna look back on this and you're gonna have learned, Like you're gonna learn from this, Like you think you feel bad now, so you realize that this was a fucking show that

no one wanted to see. Imagine a Todd batter you, imagine you either of you saying that to a toddler and the toddler going thank you so much, like just like like someone like a toddler taking it. Imagine just a kid being like I wouldn't actual mom like it's like yeah, but it's like I want to I want to see a kid and it would not freak me out. This would probably freak some people out for a kid

to be like emotionally mature or whatever. I want a kid who's just like, okay, yeah, you know what, You're right, you know what immediately immediately, and the kid goes to you. Whether it's crazy right, I'm asking inside, I'm so sorry. That would be impariss to impariss on God, I'm sorry, gr no, not even not even like shapologize and just feel like you're right. I'm insane. Sorry, gets what most as like remember five minutes ago, it's like I Will said a vin name girl, do you want to slit? Yeah?

Just like now we're good, take one little off, but um literally quickly put some thoughts on the season. Yes, give us sixteen seconds on that. Absolutely incredible. The girls are at the top. I think Karen Huger is a national tragedy. And if you think it's not a war, because this is the season where Giselle and Karen is coming to a head. And Gazelle went too far from me this week and you too, Robin. But can I? But can I? But can I actually say the hottest

take about this? And I'm still on Karen's side. Just wasn't wishing death on right? But yeah, that doesn't doesn't matter. That's what Karen thinks and he should be able to apologize for it. And that is where the drama starts. I and you know that Karen at the end of this season was like, oh, the girls are coming for me.

But you know what, I'm the last word in this fucking trauma right now, and she will not miss I got I don't want to say it because it will be competition for me, But she came on that bitch Mattess. The thing. Here's the thing too, the Wendy of it all. I believe that it's okay. Is Wendy going too far right now in terms of stelf love? You know, maybe on brass tacks face value. Yes, she's feeling herself and

it's different than it was last year. She watched herself on TV after she had postpartum and she's like, and she was like, I want to reinvent myself and she is fully entitled to do that. For them to say, for Robin to use the word loose and then say you had substance last year. This year, you don't have substance was purely hurtful. They're jealous, they've gone too far. And for Giselle to literally round Robin be like, here's

what's funked up about you? You? You, And then she turns to Robin, her own best friend, and says, no one wants to marry unattractive and Robin's too fucking dumb to see that Giselle will do that to her, She'll still funcked her every single time. And then for Queen Icona Scala to be like, well, what about your fucking life, And then Giselle says, we're not talking about it because there has trolls at the table. No hone, you're actually

gonna answer any question, absolutely and one. But let's just you said something in that last statement, which is the Queen Escala thank you, you will be you know. I don't know if they'll bump it up to eight, but they get that girl in the bigges. Apologies dropped into herself. Wait, we're recording this on SUNDA. I can't wait to see what U Scully gets into tonight. When you I was, I was listening to the to the last episode. Just like when she gets her confessional. When she gets confessional,

they better give her hair beat down. I want to see her give it because you know she can give confession because she doesn't need to blow up. She already is coming in and being like, oh, I'm actually in designer head to tell I'm actually stunning. She's beautiful. And if you go back and watch like the early seasons, like Gills whole thing was like the reason she butted heads with Karen was because Karen was like Potomac is a place of etiquette, because I was like, I don't

care about etiquette. And now Giselle is like all of a sudden protective of like all these stupid bullshit problems. Bully, she's a natural bully, and bullies need lackeys and she has one. And Robin, I think is too depress and to she is she she is just too sad to stick up for herself. And I'm just like the fact that Giselle was able to turn around on Robin and then come for her and say those things to her. Yeah, she insulted her, like like she she really insulted her

in front of people. Yes, I'm heartbroken for Robin this season. And you know what the thing is, I the wildest thing as I was like, honey, I've never related to you more, not getting out of bed until four four pm. Diva same like, and I'm like, it's sad because I just like, I'm nervous about the chair for her, I'm nervous and I'm nervous about the spot on the show because she loved herself. She would stick up for gall and guess what that would be a storyline she would stand. Yeah,

I feel I love her. I've I've been a Robin like, I loved her since day one. I think that she's just so like pure and genuine. But like I'm I'm nervous for her this season. Wendy is not gonna let this go. No, Wendy is going to pop. Y'all. We are we are in a renness Hunt Lake and Beverly Hills as good as it is, it is so we

are in renaissance. It's the golden era of and this is why I'm saying it's a great time to get on board with the brook Ashley because I don't know she's and she's a beautiful smile and she's just like a great energy and she doesn't like a single cast member on any of the loves a Scalar. She she's like, she's like, she basically starts every photomic review be I'm like, no, you know, I don't can't stand most of the women

on this cast, but it is my Havent franchise. But then she said they need to give a Scalar spot on the meeting. Yes, yes, she will be she will be getting this is the thing about a Scalar and this connects with Robin and Giselle. And here's the thing. She's Robin's friend, but she's not. She's aware of like the alley ship between Robin and Giselle. She's not afraid to call Giselle out on her shut no, like our

apologies do. As a perfect example of that, our apologies do, even that phrasing so perfect loved just like dare she showed up and be the most beautiful at that dinner too, Yes, I was like. And the best part is that even though she's Robin's friend. She's on everyone side, every everyone is a fan of that. Literally, we are all. She's the rising star of this. I saw her at that dinner and I screamed, Audrey Hepburn. I literally screamed Audrey Hepburn.

I was like, what the fun her? She care like Jacket were like Thinn knows, like great when you have her onted, She's the next part. She's the next part. Wow. I mean this Wow? Can you could you have asked for anything more? I could not have. We talked about Gaga, talked about drag Race, talked about housewives, talked talked about life, talks about the pursuit of dreams, of dreams, and I think I think, I think we're going to be following this one until the end of time, all the way

to Broadway. Girl wants um. I want to do like TV and movies and it's Broadway. Yeah, That's what I'm loving traveling. I'm loving doing stuff like with you know, seeing the kids at the club and having fun. And I'm doing some music with like me and with Stephanie's child just like a movie which was great. Just I'm like, honey,

I want to just drop it. Into every single like basket that I can because I'm like, you know what, I've been playing this hand of just like I gotta stay focused on this one thing right now, which is dragons, and I'm like, you know what, that door shut right now. Let's just have fun and see what lands. And you know, why can't it all Like let's just have fun and

go for it. You did so amazing with the platform and also just knowing you from the very beginning, like we could not be more proud, like and like I t same, like I I like remember just like years ago, just all of us just like being out just like not having a clue like where anything would go, and like so proud of both of you, and like your

careers are just like booming. It's like so excited to see like the two of y'all just like like not even bubbling, Like y'all are at a full fucking stimmer right now, bitch, Like y'all are really doing the damn thing, and it's so exciting at a rolling boil, honey, rolling boil, y'all are just amazing. And I can't wait to like see what y'all do next. I can't wait to see the movie just y'all are just so nice and so good and I'm I'm just so excited for both of golf.

Come on, thank you so much. Mama. Um, what is the song? I think I have one. Okay, we'll crowd the fill it out to medical. For more of that, listen Toiparazzi on the Man, and for the full album, Experienced by Bye