"Thank You For Caring" (w/ Brendan Scannell)

I don't know if I if I'll go. I hate you, I really hate you deep down in my core because this is like a this is like crazy. No, I will go, but I just I'll probably stay for like two hours. We're going to a fun party, a gay party in Los Angeles. It's called Auspinoff. Now apparently this is like the fun happening thing to do for queers of all types on the weekends. And you are a queer, huh,

I am a type. Listen, I feel that we must go. Okay, No, I'm saying that I will probably panic within two hours and leave. Why panic? Just because all of a sudden, I'm becoming and this is this is no shade. I'm becoming a pat Regan and I'm just like I don't know if I want to like, and Pat would cop to this, but like you know, you don't want to

stay out if you don't feel like it. I just don't want to stay I just don't like I l A in particular, like I feel like is even more isn't even more amplified representation with like all the things that make me feel insecure about being a gay man, But this is But they say this is like a party for queers of all types. I know, but we'll see the freaks, the weirdos, the fags, the ghosts, the outcast, and those are the types. Yeah, I think, um I'll go.

I'll just well, we'll see. I'm probably have so much fun. But then I have to be I have to leave for the airport at four am, and then I just see my parents tomorrow, and then, like I promised, i'd go with him on a hike. I can't believe that I'm sitting here with two friends too, good friends who I am excited to have a nice best friends I was off who I was excited to have a night with tonight, And each of you have like excuses for why you may not go tonight. I don't understand and

honestly furious. I'm grateful for our guests who gave me the voice, courage to say maybe I might not go, the courage to say no front runner for title of them, the courage to say no, um no, I'll go. Good? What before before we get before we well, let's bring our guests into this, because I do want to ask you what you hope to happen tonight. What I hope to happen is to sharing good times. And can I say that's all? Yeah, just sharing good times? Okay. I

love our guests. And the thing about our guests is that Joel, well, so now I'm in Los Angeles for indefinitely and so fully embedded as a as an l a gay. Sure. So basically Joel said to me, He's like, I'm so excited for you to become friends with Brendon, and I was like, you're putting this person up on a high perch. And then met We have obviously known each other, but we truly became I feel like he's my sister. And maybe he doesn't feel that way. I'm

saying it, but he's my sister now. Because we had a lovely weekend for Joel's birthday, and I like love him. This is a this is a beautiful sorority between you two and the in the Greek sense. So roar, oh my god, I had I opened up a box of pockets and um, you we're just flitting around the room, just waving your wrists around and you get and you just said pockey sligh and we laughed because that's the dumbest sequence of word. This is our third podcast recording

of the day. And I said, and I do believe this is coming true. I was like, by the time we're done talking talking so much today, it will not be words. It will be merely sounds and like gay slang from three years ago. But anyway, but anyway, um, okay, so you expect you hope for good times. I hope for good times, and I hope to feel that if our guests were presence and good times would definitely happen. And him not being there, I'm like concerned, you know what,

this is what I have to remember. I might not see I will see you relatively soon with it, but you won't But I won't see you Enjoel, And I of course could famously die at an anyway, die at anytime I just just to have this group of people in the same place is rare, and we should celebrate that. I think that you should. I think that you're speaking my life and among these people that I love and

share so much. Whether or not he shows up to the party tonight and it sounds like he's not, but it's our guest and I really do love him so much. And also host a monthly show it's called The Cure. There you can see it at used to be Franklin. However sometimes they did a little special one. They just celebrated their one year anniversary of the show at Dynasty Typewriter.

This episode will come out after that, unfortunately. Um, this guest is a staple, a staple, an entertainment staple, entertainment staple, and he's one of the stars of Bonding, which comes out on Netflix on April which is literally today is today Wednesday? Wow, it's today, Mama. Please welcome into your ears Brendan. Wow, Hi, guys, how are you listen? Did I shame you into coming? Um? I think the drama of like will I come or will I won't come?

It's so it's part of it, you know, it's like part of the appeal of the party is like I'm not going to go, I'll go, And then there's like the excitement of like I came, the questions you know, how are they going to come? Is? Who gonna come? Just there they are they And the thing is like, you know what will happen now if you if and when you do show up here? Yeah? Right, you create like a a bit of a question. And then when you show up, everyone's like, I didn't know you're coming.

You're going to mythologize yourself, right. And the reason I the reason I was so ultra excited about you coming tonight is because you know, Joel is texting us right now, Joel Kim Booster, He's texting us about the dress code for the event, and he goes. Usually the only one that turns a full look is Brendan Well. I really respect this party. It's my favorite one of the type that yeah, um it's in part run by um, this fabulous queen, Jamie Jones, and they always turned just something

so fantastic. So I love walking into this space and being like I am trying to pay homage to you. And I think the theme is blue tonight is the theme is slutty and blue. Right, I didn't really have anything, um, but I have a costume rock at my house. Well, some people just have the access like like any um what he wants, Like, I'm sorry, I'm I'm still new

to podcasting. I find the whole thing to be very anxiety and do so don't because you really go on the record for so so much and like hours and hours of material and you kind of feel like, what if I accidentally say something that way down the line really messes with my life? Why do think we feel? Well? Right? I mean, you have like three of and when you try to do something one time, somebody's going to go through every single one of those and be like, in

two thousand thirteen, you know, yeah that happened. Another thing that happens to is like when you do podcasts and people when you do a podcast and people know you from it, you then get asked to do other podcasts. And sometimes it's not always your flavor is not always the flavor. It's actually really culture number eighteen. Sometimes your flavor is not always the flavor. Okay, you please don't try you got it? Um? So yeah, and then it just becomes fractals and fractals of audio. Was it a

word before Frozen? Do you all get records at um? Uh? Yeah? Too many times a week When I'm with Joel in Queer Spaces, like he's so famous, it's like fantastic. You experience that as well, you know, I feel like, sorry, I really turned the table. No, I actually have the sat for you because I feel that you are like this like emerging sort of icon. She's trying, trying and succeeding. I get. I get people really nicely being like, oh,

I you know you're great. Love the pod stuff, you know, I mean I love the pot And then I'm like thank you. And then the thing is like that, whenever anyone comes up and says love the Pot, I'm like, oh, they know every fucking detail of my life because I have liked it. And that makes me feel like, like about your relationships and your boyfriends and your sex life

and your what you do for fun? I mean they know it down if they really listen to the podcast, like they say, like you can find out every time. Terrified like my biggest kind of that I do stand up in. It's like now that I'm doing it in larger platforms, it's like very scared to be known. I suppose it's really nice to be like an unknown entity, and they're like, everyone's cheering for me, but then the

minute you do something, people are like, also, you suck. God. Well, the thing is like, I will say this, it got it's gotten to a certain point where like and that this is I realized, Like I host this other podcast called What the Top you guys have Been? I was a guest, but you were not the I was not the host of the time, and I now and people

are intense there. People have feelings. They're really vicious and like it's it's interesting, like when somebody makes a comment about you as a person because I'm not on here playing a part. You know, it's not like you're doing a sketch comedy show and everyone's like, I didn't think that was that fun. Like you're not finding you talked too much and your voice has a weird nasal sound, and you're like, everything you just said makes me feel empty,

and seen, yeah, there's nothing to take cover behind. You're just like, oh, yeah, that's you just got to me. And if you were curious about whether or not those things you thought about you, we're weird. They'll confirm him. Here's here's the thing that I'm coming up against. And I can't tell if it's a good or a bad thing. But a couple of guys that I've dated have been like, it's and they pointed out independently. They've been like, because they don't know each other, but they're like, we um

no I have. They're like, I've like, you've noticed this disparity between like things that I know about you. I know so much about you because I've listened to the podcast. I happen to have listened to the podcast, and sometimes for one guy, he didn't start listening until after we hooked up. And then another guy had we hooked up because he was a fan, and I kind of remember

about that. But then but then they both of them point out that that there's this disparity between things that they know about me and that I have to learn about them, or there's just this thing where it's like they have such a leg up quote unquote, and I'm and I'm like, well, I don't mind, because I mean, on the one hand, it's like I don't have an I don't have control over what I choose to reveal

or share with someone. But then on the other it's like, well, at least I don't have to think about doing the work anyway, And it's like they are talking to me because they are interested in some capacity. So I don't know, it's it's weird. It's weird. Um, but I feel like it's neither here nor there because I don't know, we're still just like we're still just like shitty human beings beings. I guess that's what scares me, Like people that are

like listen to the pode like you know. I mean, it's like, okay, so now I know I'm going to be completely unh No, are you dating a lot me? I had a boyfriend last year who was great, but we're no longer together. Um. But we met when I was in New York. Actually I did. UM. I shot this show called Bonding, and that was the first time I last I did. I don't think so um and Doyle with writer yes, written and directed by and I met him when I was shooting there. I loved. I

feel like in New York, I like meet guys. There's so many more guys who do so many different types of things like I really and also do you have like out of town energy. When you're like in town and you're just there for a moment, you can create this like a Laura Mysta. Basically we had like the s whirlwind like love affair while I was there for this month and then we um, you know, I kept extending it, right, I feel like out of town energy

is fun, right, It's wonderful. Youthes no stakes think, Well that my thing was I thought I was going to be here for like a month and a half. You ruined everything, bird through all your confines out for five and it's like, whoops, is that the longest you will

have been in l A? Yeah, so now I'm thinking of Now I'm thinking about whether or not I'll stay, and you famously did I don't think so, Honey about New Yorkers talking about how they don't like l A, and I remember it distinctly, and I don't remember every single one because I was like, yeah, that is annoying, and also like, there's nothing wrong with l A. It's

just an adjustment and I do like it. I think the biggest thing is like so many people they'll come visit and they'll be like, I just don't know, Like I just don't know if I'm ready to move here, and it's like we don't care. We don't give a ship. I mean you I care about, but like people, you run into it like parties or bars. He talking to um as a stock conversation, It's like, holy shit. It's like we're really out of things, you know, and yet here we are talking about it because it's a thing

in my life. I'm actually thinking about doing a swap swap. I keep telling all my I do this thing where I tell people I'm doing things with the hope that then I will do them. So I've been um telling people that I'm going to move to New York. So eventually, wait with the endgame of you being in New York. Yeah, I think so. Wait, but you hate it? You know, he doesn't hate it. You doesn't want to hear. I really like change, Like I like, I'm cool, I'm eccentric.

I'm not afraid of change many other people, but adventures, UM, I don't know. I feel like probably the same fatigue people feel in any centity they're in. And UM, when I really liked it when I was shooting there, and I've never spent more than like five weeks there, so that that to me. Confounds me because I feel like you are in New York energy, okay, and let's expect. How do you respond to me saying that I don't know.

I went to school in Chicago, which is like yeah, New York and um, but also has like a way different energy of because people are nice. Yeah, that's true. It's it's nicer, cleaner and cheaper until it's not. Yeah, when is it? And when is it not Chicago? I'm not I might see you, bitch, You're not that smart. We walked right into that. Yeah, no, but I didn't log islanded. Oh my god, you're from Colorado, right, good memory?

Wait and you were from Indiana, Indiana, Indiana, so we actually have tons of mutes really from Indiana from Northwestern Oh yeah, I didn't know that you were friends of Nicole Silverberg from Nicole, Yeah, I did with her for four years. Was our team name? What was it? Puma Mama? Mama was a Titanic players. Titanic players they were they were like the ones to be. Were you like an improv boy? I was an improv boy. Yeah. I was

actually very um like BROI in college. I never had guy friends, um like all growing up Basically all through high school, I had like a harem of like thirteen nerdy girls in me. Um uh, you know, Hannah, Laura, Laurel, r Peta, and they were all great and like, basically I just had a dream about Hannah recently, I'm thinking of you, girl. And and so I didn't really have

a girlfriends or didn't have a guy friends. And then I got to college and found all these kind of like browy comedy guys who like, you know, didn't care that I was gay, and um obviously, but you know, from the area I'm from, you kind of never know with guys, and um uh, so I became like a like a beer pond champion. Basically we had the same experience pretty much like I didn't put you. I feel like you put on your mask. Well I put I

had a mask dragon fully. And then we both were in college and sketch groups that were predominantly straight men, and there is that thing of like you do like you're gay and they don't care that you're gay, and they they accept you, but you're also not being fully completely yourself. When you're in those situations, typically you're like also writing to a voice that isn't necessarily yours unless you're like a transcendent like self assured um writer comedian,

which I don't. I wasn't really um and uh but I I still I love those boys. Yeah, I mean yeah, I always like, I love hanging out with them again. But it is funny like I look at my work from that time and I'll be like, this doesn't feel like me. I wasn't writing for myself at all. Like the videos that are online and YouTube, I'm like, oh my god, I wish this could come down, but you know, you can bring it down, I know. But the things it's not like that person is like, no, I like

having that yeah yeah, yeah yeah. What is it that's stopping me from taking like my bros? I don't know. Just literally, it's what collect you don't want to lose the views. Honestly, if it was really worried about, it's really in your bio that you're collection, Like Chess Club comedies. What my my sketch group was called Chess Club Comedy. What are can you talk about? Can you specifically name some Chess Club sketches that you would like to Icebreakers?

Remember Icebreakers? Yeah? I remember Icebreakers. I had this sketch called you were in Icebreakers. I was in the sequel to Icebreaker. Oh my god, because there was a sequel, I did a web series called Icebreakers about a college. You sounds so to School of the Arts. I was afraid of the city. My mom and I visited and she was like, why would you ever want to live here? And I was like, real, I get that. It is what year would you have graduated together? Okay, just a

little bit older? Your eyes lit up, bitch. You love that you were older than you. I think I might be older than I. I went to three years of preschool because I was quite dumb. Three years of preschool. What was holding you back? I don't know. You couldn't call. I think my mom was just like, give him one more. You're not give him one more? Have you guys read

um that Malcolm Gladwell book Outliers. God, sorry to be exhausted, but there's this one anecdote in it about like hockey players who are better at hockey if they are born in January through March, because like the cut off, they're bigger, and so most hockey players in the NHL are born in those first three months. Most players in the NHS. I think my mom was like trying to give me some sort of advantage. So yeah, so she was one month of June. Oh yeah, so you are literally older

than I'm the oldest here. Wow, I'm the eldest sister. What shall we do? It's this, I'm the Joe. You know. I just heard hocus Pocus too? Is happening? Wait? They keep saying it's happening, but every more information because I was given the down low information. But oh you were given the down knowing for a while. That's all I will say. Just be prepared. Okay, I won't answer any more questions. He won't. Well, I'll ask one question and then if you feel like answering, you do it. Is

it happening with women? It's not gonna happen with men. Three male with three gay men. Here here, here's who it's going to be. It's gonna be Sylvester. It's Sylvester Stallone as winning. I have a couple of days in my life who are like, also, I'm a witch, and I'm like, no, you are? You just like trying to be interesting, just kidding. We love them. I think it's maybe like an l a thing. There's very like, um,

there's witchery in the air. Oh, there's a lot of male which is in New York too, just genuine witches in New York. I think I believe not to not to work in the binary, but I believe the male witches are called druids, and you should call you these little gay boys should be calling themselves druids. Well maybe they don't identify as male. Yeah, so right, you kind of never know. And and this is the sound bite that will take me down. This is me as well.

And well, no, they can't do that to you because you are iconically on the red carpet in full gowns. That's what I was, And I was like, I was fully obsessed with that. Was that like the Heather's pressed moment? Yeah, that was Yeah, it was just kind of like trying to live in that kind of I don't know, like that confidence I was feeling in like my body and what I was wearing. And I think that like in terms of most of the clothes I wear are um,

you know, tailored to women. Um, but I think I had never really had somebody like pull clothing for me that made me feel like famine beautiful and in that way and you know so many times when you're like walking through a store and you're in the women's section, somebody is giving you eyes like actually it's over there, and so it's like, but I'm getting better at like walking into a store and being like, you know, I'm

trying the gown on. It's for me. Yeah. I did that in Tokyo and a woman was like, uh huh oh god, just icon iconic Tokyo trip. I know, it's fun. I get really sick though, and I lost five pounds what okay? So it was ultimately fine, it was fun. I came back. My roommate Lesia was like, you look sick. You're like, thank you, Well you got sick, like just like right in the middle of it. Probably I got really sick in the middle of it. Damn Well there's

always Soul's We'll always have. So you were playing you. So you were in Heathers the TV reading Yes, is there any way people critically acclaimed by one writer and you can watch it on iTunes or on Paramount Network. Do yeah. If you have cable, you can just like sign in with your little log in and UM in America, you could watch the first nine episodes. UM and then if you're in overseas, which I imagine you have fans, you can watch typically the whole thing, so you can't

see the whole thing in America. Yeah, there's like, um, some school shooting related material in it, and so it was kind of pulled from the air iconically three different times in I know, it's kind of like, um, I mean, I've been through a lot of therapy since then. I feel really good about it. But in the moment, I

was like, um, flew me once. So it was I mean, I remember it was like such a big deal when I got announced it, like and I would imagine that they really I mean, it had to be so frustrating. I don't know, that's like really, but it's complicated I think for me, like I I never like associated. I was almost nine you to it because like my character Heather Duke, and it is like basically on like her own journey and like just trying to take down these

other takedown Heather Chandler. So all of our scenes are very like you know, um, funny and farcical. Um. And meanwhile there's like this whole other j D subplot that I was only vaguely aware of because table read sigh

was only focused on my own laughs. But I think that like, looking back on it, it was like it was so fun to shoot and um like Leslie Headland directed a bunch of rus and yeah, I kind of think it's great, um yea, but yeah, you kind of have to now you have to be like a little um, you know, squirrel gay and go find it because it was not wide released, but it's out there, which like, and I swear to God that I don't mean for this to sound like however, it can't be misinterpreted, but

I feel like it kind of gives it this like niche CULTI cult following equality where it's like, we'll go find it because like how because now with just unfettered access to anything you fucking want, there's some intrigue to like seeking it out Brendon coming to a party right now. There's a mythology about it and you have to go find it and you'll be cheering when you watch it.

Kind of funny thing happened to me and I was walking down Large Mont and um l a, and a guy behind me just yeah, like I walked by and he goes, hey, hey, aren't you the actor from that show with all the problems. Yes, yes, I was, Oh my god, Okay, you're gonna have the problems, all the problems.

I mean, honestly, that's going. It's that but that story is kind of and that's that's I will say most a lot of times, like if I'm in like a gay bar and like a space with a lot of gay people or queer people, um, someone will come up to me and be like I loved others and or I was in my gym and this guy goes, were you in Heathers And I was like yeah, and he was like the haters I loved it, And I was like that problem. Do you ever feel like you well,

I did this. I kind of did it, and then um, it kind of came out and I felt like nobody saw it. And but it's like the people who did see it saw it in secret, which and I do really appreciate everyone who comes up to me. It's really nice to hear. Yeah, so there was you guys. You were also on Lips Battle, which I lost. I guess I lost a Melanie Field It plays Heather chand they flew in a Field Plus Size body body positive dance group from it. Lanna who truly destroyed my very you know,

basic take on Mamma Mia. Like I was like, it's mama Mia, I'm wearing wedding dress. Here the wedding dress and to reveal another wedding dress, reveal a chair that went away, to reveal a high waisted pants and a cropped up this says bride creation. It basically came to me in a dream. My friend so Jared, and I were sitting Jared Freeder and I were sitting in my I found out I was doing it on a Thursday or on a Wednesday, and then on Thursday I had

a call basically to pitch my ideas. Um and I we Jared and I like walked around my house just like pitching things. He was like, you should do telephone because that's my favorite. Lady got um and uh. And then it was like I have to do mom and me at it has to be my wedding and I have to have this moment where I'm tearing away these wedding dresses. And then I pitched that to them and they were like, we love it. We're going to go

out to Lizam and Nellie to marry you. And I was like wow, and they called her people and um, but of course she did do. Yeah. I don't think she's taking gigs, right, I don't think she's standing. I think she's horizontal somewhere and that's fine. Have you seen video of her outside Craigs where somebody the tmc S guy is like, Liza, Liza, hear, I hear you've lost your voice. And she's like says who. And he's like, well, you know people are saying you might not be singing anymore.

Can you give us a little something to prove them wrong? And she's like, Dale, sad man, we want to go home. And the head watch video. Watch Liza proved that she can still see. It's like my favorite video. And then she goes. He goes, He's like, thank you, Lisa. He's like,

clearly they know each other. Sometimes he's photographers, no fame, the people and the relationship, right, and he goes, thank you so much, Liza, like have a great night, and she's like, thank you, thank you for caring, thank you for that's so from her heart. She's like my one, Like she's my one. Yeah. She I mean, she's incredible. Her birthday was recently. Yeah, she's truly I mean, yeah,

it's it's and what is your do you square? How do you sit with like the way that her image is like what her image has become now where it's like sometimes it's like she's a punchline and it's like, well, she deserves better than that. In my opinion, it's like, well, are we just bad gay people to like totally like point and laugh at like Emperor's thing we do with

people women as they age? Right, I don't know, maybe I don't hear those things because or maybe people know I love her so much they don't punchline her to. Maybe it's all I hear is just like she's the best, she's amazing, she gets it. She also might really not get it in a way that gets it. That's what it is, okay, Yeah, because it's her whole, her whole

fucking HSN thing. It's like, yeah, what was that she was like shopping network and then taking calls People are like, well, lies it Like some woman was like I love you so much, um, I love you, You're and you've really been my mentor through all the years. And then why is it just goes oh, thank you so much, jotting your my mentor to my mentor. She's got this interview on David Letterman where he's like, I don't even know if she's promoting anything, but he just clearly loved her.

And he's just like, so you just had a birthday, right, And she's like, yes, I had my birthday. And he's like and he's like, did you have a party? She's like, I did. I had a party in New York. My friends in London through her party, and I had a party in Paris. I had parties all over the world. And that's like how I watch my birthday to be that. It's just be like, I had a party in Paris, body in London, a party in New York, international parties,

my god, unbelievable. All of it is a little aspiring and all of it, but it's like that. That is how as a queer person you want to age. It's just to still be also like like some stress in

the yeah. And also she could do anything, and you have to fuck just understand like that woman is a survivver, like her mother was Judy Garland, who was the most beleaguered like entertainment, probably the figure of all time and then maybe the most famous person of altimime right exactly, I mean, and she's for her to like that was her mother, that was who she like was patterned after, and then for that same industry to eat her and

then chew her up and spit her out. And she's still kind of like you know, was there at the end of all of it. She's still out there talking to fucking TMZ. Well it's like that old like you know women torch song, Um, like I'm still here, like I'm back and I just like eat that ship up. That's like, um, it's why I like, Um, I'm gonna say something controversial, Um, like Hamilton's not for me because there's not enough women of a certain age singing about

her time has passed them by. Like that's what I'm looking for in every musical is just like, well here I go again. Um, and it kind of doesn't appnue that. It's like a lot um, I don't know why I'm attacking.

For me. The number one best, far and away best moment of the whole show is Burned, like when she's like and also that's so well written and it's such like a I just love a ballad like that, like I need that that scorned like woman being like fuck you, but also i am heartbroken and devastated and I'm dealing with my rage right now in this moment in real time, just like that last line, I hope that you burn Like that to me was like, I wish this was

more of the show. Like I really was so interested in like the women in the show, especially because they're like, you know, they have this kind of like feminist undertones of like and I'm going to talk to Thomas Jefferson and say he should add women to it. And and I'm like seven more songs of the three of you play and a town like yeah, tell me more about Uptown? How do you feel about it? Also the other two songs I love obviously because you see both sides of it.

I just thought that was genius. Did you see it? I've seen it twice, so not for you, but you've seen it twice. That's right. Well I love musicals, Yes, well, but you can still be critical of something that you've seen absolutely, and well I've seen it once and I just couldn't believe the staging. I'm satisfied. I was like, whoa, but it's true. It really came alive for me in the moment when the women were the focus in a big way. Okay, well we're talking about culture. I think

we I think we asked Mend the question. I mean he may have answered it, but if he has another answer, I would I love to hear it. UM. We asked, what is the culture that made you? Said? Culture was for you, the pop culture, UM, that made you become who you are, and you can trace it back and

you're like, that's that's where I come from. UM. I feel like for me, UM, I I grew up in in Chicago and then we moved to Indiana and I was like six, UM, and the most important child culture of my childhood was Michael Jordan's Bulls And because of that, UM, Dennis Rodman was really important to me, UM with like his hair and wearing the wedding dress. Hello, still working

through that in my work. And uh, because it was like I had a Bulls themed birthday parties for the first like three years, like four or five and six of my life and was just like obsessed with basketball and like the theatrical theatricality of it. I think it's like our best sport, um in terms of like fashion and just narratives narratives are so good and like where the players come from and like um yeah, so um

basketball wives will be my next credit. Like every time I have a beating with like my agents or managers and we go through like the laundry list at the very end there like anything else, and I'm like, I would love to do something with basket ball and they're like, how okay, next. So you're still a basketball fan. Yeah, I still watch a lot of basketball. Yeah, I think this is absolutely something you should do. I know something something basketball you do you yourself ball absolutely not you

ever I did, but I never really played. You can see you be like an unbelievable point guard. I mean you're telling me if you started a queer basketball league, that would be the hugest fucking deal. And that was what ill not for any like image d optics or whatever reason. It's just like like the women's comedy basketball. You got here, but queers I'm sure there. I mean there are like sports squeers, but it's like the volleyball. Well. The only sports square that I talked to very secretively

about basketball is Sam Grissman. He's a sports he's a big basketball fan. I think the two of us just like want somebody to dunk on us, right, and um, but that's how like we connect. We're just like, did you watch Lebron? Why there there shouldn't be whispered network around Queer. I mean, I think it's because everyone's talking about drag race, which also love and then we kind of pull each other aside and we're like, they're not

going to make the playoffs. I think for for us, I think it has to do with the fact that you being from you know, Chicago and from India and which is like such a like basketball state. And also the Bulls were like the Bulls, whereas like I'm from Long Island and so for us, I don't know about for you, but our sport that the world revolved around

was baseball because of the Yankees. Yankees, right, it was, Yeah, And I really don't care for basketball, but I think it's because I genuinely feel like who really cared about the Knicks at that time? I think a lot of people, but the Bulls. That was like a thing because Michael Jordan's yea and with space Jam like Peak Life, Free Space, GM's insane, and it's like all of culture watched it all NonStop basically UM identified as Babs from the UM. Yeah. Yeah.

I feel like also that sports culture type thing is like such a way to like talk to your dad when you're like not necessarily connecting on a lot of other ways. Like my dad and I now mostly connect to like television shows, like he like text me shows that he's watching that he really likes. Um uh And I don't know that was like our language. That's great. I mean that is like I can I can do something. I mean, my dad was a varsity sports coach, Like

he was like football, baseball. He never made me play football, but it's dangerous, and I think I subconscious he subconsciously always has known that because he never and I mean never pushed in that pushed me to play football. Like he would take me out in the yard and like we throw the baseball around and I would hit like off the tea and like I got into baseball and it was genuinely into it for many many years. But I recently asked him. I was like, why did you

never throw the football around with me? And he was like, well, you never showed an interest, and like I never showed a natural interest in baseball either, You just showed it to me, and I think I sort of got him to admit because he kind of said, he was like, well, I don't think that anyone under the age of ten

should be playing it at all. And I was like, because it's dangers and he was like, and of course there's all like the stuff with like you know, the ct whatever yea, yeah, like people's brains are melting in their skulls. Um. But I was like, because it was dangerous to him, and he was like, I mean I guess, Like I mean, I was always really small, like even just like minute little person, so there was I could

never like play sports, so I can appreciate them. I'm pretty good at volleyball actually, Like I um with um My now Ax, who I was dating last year, we like went to the British virgin I last year with a bunch of his friends on like this trip they had been planning that. I kind of hopped onto um and we were like on an island playing beach volleyball and I like schooled a bunch of strangers and they started calling me the ringer these people straight people. Yeah,

Oh so that's a fantasy narrative. Honestly, that porn is called the Ringer. It was also like very drunk off of like um they're called painkillers. Was that it's a cocktail in like the Virgin Islands for like like all of the rock. Always it's like rum and then you feel horrible forever, honestly, Like remember when rum was like something you opted to drink all the time. Did you drink Captain Morgan in high school? Always it was the

Bush your drink. It was little Jenna Bush drinking Captain Morgan. People doing it right. For Malibu, Yeah, that drank a lot of mal Malibu was like soda, like it was so much sugar. And I remember just drinking like Malibu and coke and it was just so so so sweet. But like I remember before Sweet sixteen's, we would um pregame with Captain and coke, like Captain Morgan and coke, and it was just like taken them to the face so that we were nice and toasty for these sweet

sixteen to roll around on a dirty dance floor. I used to get drug in my parents, or not my parents, my friend's basement because she had like parents who were very lazy, fair and one time, one time they had to tie me to a pole with duct tape basically so that I wouldn't go up and like talk to their parents, because I was really into, like, I love moms and so and her mom, Carol is like sort of an icon. So I was always just trying to be like, what's Carol up to? And they're like, Brendan,

you can't go upstairs. And they duct taped me to a pole in an unfinished basement. They withheld you from months from moms. Yeah, that's psychotic, but that is how drunk they would get. That is how drunk you would get. Like I remember my friend Nick. We were drinking at my house one time on New Year's Even. My friend Nick got so drunk and he was like the kid that always talked to the parents, and he went in there and was fully had a full conversation with my

parents and I could see he was visibly drunk. And your parents, we know, they fully knew. Like looking back, I was like, unless my parents are fucking idiots, they knew. But I remember like him coming back and they didn't say anything to me, and I was like in the clear, like, but getting that drunk. And then you mentioned that you became a beer punk person in college. Yes, that was my whole high school experience. Gross. It was great. Though,

Now it's like I really don't really play those games. Well, of course I wasn't ask like, in what environment would you have to like resurface those skills again. I guess like you could break it out at like a pregame party here at like a house, well the house you're probably going to tonight. They occasionally play beer punk Um flip Cup because flip Cup is the queer version of that. It's like it's like our game. Yeah, I just don't

really drink beer anymore. Yeah, is that because of the belly, Like I don't want my belly to caloric, Like I don't, I don't want to. I feel like now I'm becoming conscious of the calories and beer and like that it kind of makes you puffy and it's not my thing. It's just not your thing. I love craft beer. See,

I feel like I got so exhausted. Chicago is such a beer city, and like I think I anticipated, I'm like I would turn twenty one and get really into like I P A S And stuff, and now it's like, sorry, just so much flavor, too much. I P A S. I got was really into in the beginning too, and I would have them on dates because they got me drunk, and then I would like make moves. But now that I'm a little bit older and my tolerance isn't like super low, I'll drink and ipa just feel exhausted. They

are so happy, so much all in them. Yeah, I need like a diet coke. Yeah. Um, you guys go on a lot of dates. Um um dating. He's sort of sort of it's like it's not it's in a weird place where it's like things are sunsetting and they've been false starts and stops, and like, I think all my prospects were like, so you're gonna get new prospects, prospects. I'm just on hinge for the first time. So Hinge used to be you know, like a regular. I'm a Hinge rep. I might hinge and um, I'm loving it.

I'm telling I tried Chappy, not my bag. Tenders. Tenders h like a deathly cross space and hinges where it's at. Okay, now, explain what's the great about. It's fun you like you create this profile that like isn't swipeable. It's like you people immediately see like two or three of your photos and like a couple you, they have umps and you

just answer them. And I find like, I find it way more easy to like see a potential person and be like, oh, like this person seems cool, which is like so much of swiping just feels like I got the match and now I never want to talk to you. Yeah, you know, there's like a certain like game of it in your brain, and um so I'm I'm like in

this new take, I like a gamified dating app. I'm dating, but I I am liking kind of not using the apps to date, like I'll, especially now that I'm in a new city and right and new people, and so it's easy to kind of like, well, this is something I'm finding recently is like you meet someone and it's like you decide in the first hour whether you're friends or whether it's like a romantic prospect. And so interestingly enough, like Joel has talked to me about that too, I

kind of disagree with that theory. Do you think that things can grow into something else organically? I find that I love like friends into boyfriends. I really love that too, because and I'm like, I know you wouldn't like you, but I feel like I don't know. I came out here and Joel was like, this will be your group of friends, and I was like great, And then like that means you can't funk any of us well, right,

and then whose rule is that yours? It's in my own brain, You're right, I could each and every person in the group and I will know. But it's just interesting, like it's really the reverse where it's like you'll go on a date with someone and then the date will be great because they're a great person, and maybe you leaven hook up, and then the second date will also be great because there's still that same great person, and

maybe you'll eaven hook up again. And then all of a sudden, this thing creeps in where it's like, oh, now we've established that we're like heading in this direction, and I feel that it's harder to go from that

to friends. And it's also like, and that's the thing I'm realizing about dating again as I'm as I'm starting to do it more actively for the first time, um, since I relationship ended up couple of years ago, Like I dipped in and out, but now I'm trying, Um, it's like, oh, remembering that like feelings are at stake even though you really like the person, I just don't.

It's what do you mean? Feelings are at staking because like, you know, after everyone's you know what I mean, it's like after two or three days, it's like I could really like the person but just not feel it in that way. And no matter what, that's always gonna suck to hear, you know, it's always gonna be on on

either side of it. It's like, yeah, I mean, I feel like you can if you're trying to maybe make that transition to friends, you don't have to be like, hey, I think we should be friends, even though I've literally said that to somebody recently. And don't follow your own advice is my advice. But you know, sometimes it just takes like three or four months of like not really seeing that person and then you see them again and

you're like, hey, we're like friends now. Honestly, that did happen to someone I was dating um, and I I was confused because like we started hanging out again at more as friends, and I one night made a move and he was like no, no, like we're friends now in a different place than I was, And I was like, right, right, right, I have to remind myself of that. I feel like I'm becoming more and more in my adult life like

totally okay with that type of rejection. I feel like it's like, wherever people are, you kind of have to meet them at it, and I don't know, the last thing you do want to do is like try to force something, because then then forget it. Then you can't. Like but then they are like stories of people being like, you know, I just kept texting him and kept texting him, and now we're married. And when I hear usually the stories are straight men being like I just wouldn't leave

her alone. Yeah, well I'm kind of that's how it happened, and kind like, who's trying to wear me down? Well? But the thing with the thing with gay, thing with gay, the thing with gay is that, um, there is this like I was talking to Matt Whitaker about this, there is this seer let's see here. He was like, it is the Schrodinger's kind of situation where it's like you don't know. It's like, um, you don't know what it is until you just open the box and see whether

whether or not the cat it's dead. It's like and it's like you don't know if the thing is like the box being closed, is you guys just assuming your friends? And then it just takes one person to be like, what is it? That's scary, that's the impossible. It's scary, but it's scary why because of the rejection. The rejection because now but then do you just yeah, but then if if you're like Brendan and like that doesn't really phase you, then I mean it's getting it's phasing me less.

I last you know, you still have that sting of like I kind of made myself vulnerable. But um, also I don't know, it's also good to be vulnerable. I was telling Mutual, Honey, I don't get it. You know, she's like the powerful in the Billy. She's like a self help Gurum, you have never been to the gotta make yourself vulnerable. And it's okay, this power in vulnerable. I should ask my friend Cathy what I need. Yeah, exactly exactly an asking for help. And you know, and

I actually was. I was telling a friend of ours who's going through a situation right now where he feels self conscious of making himself vulnerable, and I was like, you should never feel bad about that or never feel embarrassing exactly, and then at the end of the day,

you're you are. You have advanced yourself and you become you get to know yourself even better by doing that, And I always think like that was the I think why it took me so long to date again is because my relationship UM towards the end was so painful UM and it hurts so much for it to end UM and we've all been through varying degrees of this

that it's like, why ever do that again? And I think it took me so long to start dating again because it's like, I don't want to put myself through something hard, but that's literally life, and you do get better as a result of If we had watched like another thirty minutes of The Star Is Born, after she would have met somebody exactly so I'll never love again. And then afterwards somebody would have been like, you're such a great singer, and she would have been like do

you think so? Specifically her right, do you think so? And they'd be like, yeah, why don't you come over and she would have been like, we're dating, Yeah, she is. Honestly, she became that girl as the movie one on because the script fell apart. I love that movie and I but I know I understand why people have problems with it.

But um, it's yeah, we're no musical like with music as I don't have at all a critical I know Hamilton's I guess, but as long as it's like a woman at the center singing, if you give her a moment like I'll never love again, sure I can see why that's like not right, but I will cry. I

was weeping. I also feel like, um, I have some friends who were like I just hate that I didn't care about him and like I didn't like him, and I feel like I talked to my mom afterwards and she was like, I saw so many men I know in him, and I'm like that's like kind of important to remember. Like audience wise, like, um, you know, you can't hate every straight they haven't. They're not the ones

who but late He's Jackson Maine, didn't belloy you. I also really don't like this thing of like because it's a straight white man, we have to hate it like bigs. That's actually that's lazier than anything else. It's so lazy and also like not for nothing, but you're not gonna get much of a like that. Bradley Cooper is a queer allied because he gave Lady Gaga on the moment to do that and we got to enjoy it all

year long. Like I'm a little tapped out on Gaga in this era, Like I feel like the Stars Born Gaga Earra was a beautiful era of the Gaga story and I've really enjoyed it. But I am happy it's over because it was getting too critical mass. But he allows us, he gave totally, totally gave it. Um. I really love joe An Aarra Gaga, and I'm kind of like definitely on the wronks. We love thee I love joe An, I love Griggio girls. I just read this, you guys work with Vulture. I read some article and

it was seventy. It was her seventy third best song, and I was like, this person does not understand top thirty. Yes, someone ranked top five top five for me? Actually can I I can read you my top gagas because I was literally just let's do this. You know, we have a fucking Judy in the studio. Was that he's got a list of a list of literally texting my friend, um fish, who is it? Um a straight guy? Oh, but he loves Gaga and we love him. He's great. Um,

what else is going on while I find it? I mean to oh, okay nothing or right, Okay, I'm gonna say, actually, no, my number one number one. Number one number one is Edge of Glory Love, Edge of Glory. It's more than bat Romance. Um okay, keep lightly, um, Edge of Glory Grecio Girls is up there. I'm gonna say, oh, um, um, it's happy. I could die happy, I could die. That is a deep cut because it's just like it's a pure like it's like a it's like a fun little

like drug high words. I like to give one from every era. Yeah, okay, and then that's how best, totally totally, So what am I missing? Art pop? Oh? Art pop? M venus venus um and from from the Fame. Uh, let's see the fame. It's got to be I know Minezzi for me, it's Paparazzi bat Romance, which I think is one of the best pop songs ever. Um. I would say, yeah, Edge of Glory shallow and I would say and I would say, I'm like a ballad queen,

so I would say million Reasons. I think Million Reasons is epic, and I love that it was performed on the fucking super Bowl. When she did that on the super Bowl, I was like, this is a she was doing Joe, Yes, I love him. Yeah, probably mine our edge of glory. I love telephone, I UM, I love um you and I um I love applause um. And it's a grower. It is a grower. And I love Judas.

I was going to say in Judas in Berlin at a club called Sus and she had four backup dancers and she was rolled out in a groceries cart and covered in like paper and popped out of it and at like three in morning, it was the best drag performance I've ever seen. And her wig flew off and she snatched it out of the air and put it back on her head. The funniest thing ever happened in my lift the other night. So he turns to me and he goes, do you like music? And I said yes,

I do. He said do you want to hear my favorite song? And I said yes I do, And I'm just gonna play what he put on. Okay, so literally, actually, let's act this out. Okay, so I'm the driver of the car. Careful about the accent. No, I'm not going to do an accent. You don't need to tell me a funny European accent. I think you can do like something fun something, you can do something Slovak. We can make fun of Russians. That's basically a big thing we can still do that is man has grown a lot.

That has grown a lot. Literally, he goes, um so bo and you beat me, Hi, Matt, Yes, of course, h okay. Like music, I'm sorry, um do you have a do a charger? Oh? No, okay Android? Oh no, I'm iPhone six, iPhone six with a fucked up screen? Do you have a charger for Android only? Sorry? Sorry? I love music? Do you want to hear my favorite song? Yes? This is my favorite song. I love that He played Shallow Yes, and I was literally like I was because it was I love Lady Gaga And I was like,

I do too. He's like do you know this song? I was like, did you sing it together? Yes? Yes, we did to play. Jackson sang every words and you should have been like, I'll take I'll take Jackson. See you can be Gaga Sleep and he was like, I love this movie. Did you see this movie? I was like I did. I did see it. He's like, did you like it? I was like I loved it as this is playing, and I was like, it's so funny to me that he decided, Like like the reveal of

what a favor song was. I thought it was gonna be some deep cut. It was literally the biggest song of the year. Do you guys ever like have that man might not be I don't know, but but it's kind of revealed over time that you know, in like a few short sentences, you find out somebody is like, um, a queer person driving you, and you're like, oh, thank God. Whether it's like a guy, I always feel better about that.

But also that sunks with me because I'm like, oh, and I think to myself, I'm gonna hunk out with this person. Whenever I meet or hear about someone that's guy, I'm like, well, I suck him. Yeah, really, yeah. I'm like, um, my driver last night was one thousand percent guy because he's blasting like Mariah and j Lo and all this stuff. And I was like God, I was like great, and I did my move when I'm in l A because I just do not want to talk. You're like, here's

my IMDb. No, no, no, oh my god, yeah maintenance maintenance Jung Laser loves a gear and he was like, no, no no, no, don't check it now because it's gonna be so much better in a year. I go, no, I I was my ONLI movement losses. I'm sorry, can I put my headphones on for work? For work? It's a work thing. I have to ignore you for work. I don't want to explain. And they're always like, yeah, sure, I'm not like that. I if they choose that to have a conversation, we're having one for I don't know.

I just can't gamble on forty two minutes of conversation. It's a long one. Yeah yeah yeah. So I was just like, what work could you have listening to a podcast? I was, honestly, it could be you. Honestly, I was like doing homework on like someone's like comedy album and like and just like just like doing that and like

and so it wasn't fully lying. I went side a driver who I got in the car and he was in a full like kind of like almost think a wet suit, like he was like, you know, kind of like one of those like fit, straight white guys who is in like full athlete your but leggings um. And he was just like, hey, what's up man. My name is Jonathan, but you can call me Liam. I was like, how is that possible? He was trying to start a conversation.

He was like, you live around here? And I was like yeah, and he it was this was in West Hollywood during my wee hoo days and he was like, nice, yeah, yeah, I live. I live in like wherever, but I'm kind of looking for like a crash pad around here. And I was like, like a crap. What And he's like, well, I got a wife and a kid, and I'm thinking of maybe getting like you know, spot on my own

and what what are you talking about? Also, this was an uberpool and we picked up another person and then at a you know, a couple, so there were five of us in the car, just like all bounded together. I think it was the last uberpool I ever took. Wow. Yeah, I don't funk with uberpool. No, I don't either, because which is a privilege to say about. But the thing is like the saving of a few dollars because that's really what it amounts to. Isn't worth going out of

your way to pick up someone else. I think it was started where you could like maybe not get picked you would not from someone else up. But now at that time, I was like, there are four five people in this tiny little car, and I can't do this again. It's just too high risk, especially on a weekend night when people could be getting in there and they're drunk.

Like I've had Uber drivers tell me that they've driven Uberpool Uberpool and like full fights have broken out in the back in fact that they did different Yeah, between two different people, Like I remember on Insecure, like, um, I believe someone was smoking in the back of the car and like another person wasn't and then they got into a fight. And that happens all the time, I think because Hesa drives Uber on Insecure lift or whatever. But um, I saw that and I was like, oh

my god, that would be crazy if that happened. And then I was talking to a lift driver one time because he initiated a conversation and I was on board because I'm too weak, and he was saying the people, yeah, they're people, um, but like he was saying that he had seen and had to stop several physical fights in the back of his lift, which to me is and also that's their car. That's another psychotic thing about It's like you're stepping into someone else's domemain. How dare you

be anything else than like mms? Yeah, what do you guys? Do you guys say what you do to people? Yeah? Lately I do because saying something for us and now I won't say that. I'll usually just say I have a podcast and that that usually either don't want to hear about it or they're like me too, will you be on mine? Yeah? Yeah. I always get really self conscious about saying I'm a comedian because that people always like, like,

what like positive or negative? Because I think saying I'm a comedian means that I think I'm funny where I do well. And so now the other day I like surprised myself, um when someone asked what do you do? And I was like, oh, I can say I write for TV. Yeah, I mean I was like, I was like, wow, I can say that now. And now it's like, you know, I have something concrete to say that doesn't sound like presumptuous about myself. It's just the fact. That's just the fact.

That's the facts. Um, I was gonna say that, I'll say um. But like the usually the first thing that happens when you say when you lead with I'm a comedian is they'll they'll say, wow, do you know blame? Do do you know Gabriel and Glesias his work? And like I don't. I'm sorry. You know he has his own parking spot at Stable Center because it's fluffy on it? WHOA, how do you know that? Because I've seen it. Okay, I've taken a photo of it. That's beautiful. It was

empty when I walked by it. But I do have a full photo of me, you know, doing the old peace sign, the old peace sign. They always ask if you know like the biggest straight comedians, like do you know like Bill Burr, and I do you know? I know of him? Right? And then and then that's just and then it just stops there. And then it just stops there because what else is there? What else is there? Like I'm gonna be like, yeah, so I do know Bilburr.

I find him to be misogynist honestly. That the work in marketing, and it's just kind of just so work in marketing. Yeah, and that stops it because it's like, what is marketing? They're just like brands, and you've tapped into something so perfectly vague, right, they just they just lost just what happens if you say, like I'm an actor, they'll go like anything I may have seen and for me it's like, no, truly, you have not seen it.

So then I have to explain like I was on this show that got canceled, and then it's sad, and then and then they and then they have to know what to do with that, right, things like like I'm not I don't need you to to support me, even though it is nice for you to say, you know, it is hard out here. I forget that A lot of people listen to podcasts in their car and watch like a lift driver listening to this, like I'm learning a lot about not to open my mouth at all conversation. Um,

we love that. I think, okay, it's time. It might be time to move on to I don't think so, honey. It is our segment in which we take one minute to rail against something in culture that's just getting our goats. It's making us mad, and it needs to be railed against yes, and Brendan Scannell has done several I don'd send it's an expert in the form, so um, I think we'll go in the classic order. Okay, great, So this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so honey. As

time starts now, I don't think so honey, queer. I I don't care anymore. It has lost what was special about it for me because I feel that the current cast has become too self aware, that they've become like they've created monsters. And I think that's what happens with very sudden fame. And I have met one of them, and I think this person is kind, but like, I

don't know. I haven't heard the best things about like what's happening with them personally from good sources, and it's just like, I don't think so honey, this idea of like, I don't think they know why we really like them, Like you go on one of their instagrams and it's clear that it's like thirst trap Central, and it's like, I don't think that's why we really like you, babe.

I think we like you because of like you know, sorry Anthony, but like the stupid goofy faces you make when something gets said, I liked you because you were goofy and you're trying to be sex So I don't think so many queer I I would like a new cast. I think they should go on to different projects. I think I would like them more. Corm will be a psychologist,

Bobby get a design show, Anthony b a model. Uh, if that's what you want to do, Jonathan, go ahead to your comedy towards live podcasts And who's the last one to keep dressing? And that's one minute. I mean, have we reached queer eye fatigue? That's interesting I have. I mean, I'm not excited at all about this season because I feel like they never went away. The thing of that shows when they come back is it's like I'm excited to see the cast again because I missed them.

Whereas the queer eyes are so ubiquitous all the time Instagram. But I think I need to and follow them because there that's where there you piquitous. Really, it's Instagram culture that I'm I don't think so, honey, because I think that's when it twisted them all. They're all trying to like, you know, become moguls and and buy houses which you know is there, right, But part of that is, like

you know, doing Instagram in a really intense way. And they're all coming out, like all of their books are dropping the same time, or at least they're all promote like Karamo and Tance came out with it and I wrote all of them and you and thank you for doing so. What was the difference between writing them all? What was the most difficult one to write? Well, I spent six months with each of them. Um, I actually don't um, yeah, I haven't really watched it, you know,

I haven't want to watch it. I have a tough time with um uh. Just like men who don't get it trying to be taught to get it. I want them, but I think choosing to be on the show, they're typically like I feel like I need to try to get it and that's a good thing. Well, well, I think what madd is trying, and that's a really emotion too. And sometimes with that type of emotional reality TV, I have our time, but you never know what you're gonna get.

Either you're gonna either be bowled over by emotion or so fucking bored between. I think what Matt saying to is that. I think they started out getting it well, yeah, because they were just doing the show. And I think the first season of the show was special because it was like a nice um twist on the form that we all knew. And I think that they were all just being themselves to do a good job, and then when they became that famous overnight, I think they couldn't

see themselves anymore. And I think people like, of course, when someone is as attractive as Anthony, like, they're going to get a lot of attention from people because of that. And I think unfortunately he got a little confused and thinks this is what's worthy about me, and this is what people like about me. Instagram is entirely thirst traps. And I think that's a little sad because I actually

don't like him for that reason. Of course, of course I can see him, but I actually liked that he seemed like insted in the people and looked like a good friend. And I like the goofy faces he makes when he's like flustered, and they're not necessarily hot faces, and it's like that any it's like the disease you see with anyone on Instagram, where you meet them in person and think oh, amazing, and then go to their Instagram and it's like just pictures of them shirtless, like

looking like not a person. Um, that's like a disconnect I'm seeing specifically with him and all of them to certain degrees. Well. Also when people get famous, they get hot, and when they're gay, you get fit. It's like part of it is like you get like, oh, I have money, and so my culture is teaching me to have a trainer, and that of a sudden you kind of like Loues, I think a little bit of your Um, I don't know your every man outside eerness, which I'm sure, but

I love what Jonathan like does on carpets. I think that that's like pretty kind of fantastic. And also, um, you know, he's a tall man, hard to find fashion that you can pull off it as a short person who you know has the body type of kind of like a fifty year old woman who does yoga. I do have like a relative amount of privilege in terms of like walking into a store and being like this jumpsuit fits me, and so it requires a lot more

like care on his half's behalf. Um, But you know what, someone listening right now can just level the same fucking thing against maybe, I mean, we're nowhere near as famous as they are, but like I've gotten people saying like, wow, Bowen's really alone talks about his soul second reviews being like wow, like who cares? People like they're they're they're really losing touch, and I'm like, really, no one has ever said that, No, there's there's truly don't care about

what people are saying. And I learned that the hard way because I really cared and then all of a sudden everyone said really main stuff and then I was like, you know what, I don't care anymore. Oh yeah, you have to make this power of therapy, especially like you know they really I mean they list. The thing about the people that give negative reviews is like, well you listen the whole time and keep listening. Well, review I just did like a Comedy Central um like standard um,

and I did. I made the mistake of like just scrolling down for a second, and I was like and actually, when my I did lip SNC Battle, I managed to not read a single comment because I expected them all to be like this sucks and also who is he? Because I literally had no television credits when I did that, and everybody on stage was like, he's nice. Who is he? Christy Teagan was like is this my a? Oh my god, Yeah,

that's Kyle's Kyle. And when you scrolled down what happened um on the Comedy Central thing, somebody just wrote so bland and I was like, huh, I am kind of black. You can't do it, can't, can't, can't Okay. But anyway, I just what I mean to say about them is it's like, I feel like it's kind of like reach critical mass. And I'm not sure if I don't haven't watched the third season, but I'm wondering if they can still do it at the level they did it, like

with the kind of ego that they must have. I hope that they all buy houses, you know, invest in property. I wish the best for them at the moment. I say this out of really concern for them, because I don't think it could have been easy, and I just like I probably would have completely buckled under completely. I mean like they had like probably what four thousand Instagram followers one night and then two million the next, like that.

Their fame was crazy. But anyway, um, this is Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey, his time starts now. I don't think so many chocolate I've never cared for you. Truly, I think I've finally come into this. I've settled into this place. I have a solid foothold on this as my identity. Chocolate is bad um. You know, every now and then I'll pop a little for rare rostra in my mouth. Hell, I even read a whole play with my good friend Matt Rodgers about chocolate, about chocolate tears.

But as as as a concept, it's like I can't believe that. I can't believe that we've got to a place where we're like okay with like they're being like luxury brands around this. You know, It's like, who cares? It's a goddamn piece of brown brown? Do? Do you know what? You can't? Sometimes it looks like poop And that is my big hang up with it too. It's like, if it looks like poop, it's not going in my mad Not to shame any people folks out there, but

you know, I'm not that bitch. And I've never been a bit for chocolate, And every every Valentine's Day, I'm very confused that this industry is truly getting away with highway robbery because of our obsession with conformative and that's one. I'm not a chocolate fan either. I love a candy, yes, I love it's really I love cookies, but even chocolate chip cookies. But oh, I don't love a raisin in a baked good like I just don't really do it.

I would always rather have a chocolate chip cookie. I loved. It's nothing to gain chocolate chip cookies. It's just they're so often pitted against one another, and I have to go with all male raisin and that makes me and you bow revolutionary, revolutionary. But everyone, everyone has this crazy heart on for chocolates, and it's culturally businessing where it's

like my vice chocolate. It's like no, it's like a thing that like ladies say when they're like I'm a character, you know with chocolate out me, you know, like I'm saying this like a full caricature of a gay man. But just now I'm trying to be a middle age and they don't even let me near that chocolate. Whose thing is chocolate? Like you know, like oh and Susan, like oh, the after dinner it comes dessert and that means we're going to hear it about chocolate. But we

love that fan Susan. Actually I took I took a three or five fitness class in l A with a very good friend. Um, already different, I'm already different. No, it was sweet, but you know it was like it was like me and all white women and it was lovely and we were just dancing torking to Megan Trainer and I thought, what, it's so easy to make fun of this work into Megan Trainer. It's I was like,

it's so easy to make fun of this. But just I mean, there's a place for it in this world and it's fine and there's no need to like take it down, and like no need to take it down. Also, you're already there and you've already paid for it exactly, like I can't poke holes in it. But um, maybe whatever, I'm just like betraying my own I don't think so many because maybe there's a place for chocolate. Who um, okay, this is Brenny Brendan. Are you already I think so yeah, Okay,

this might be like I don't know, we'll see. No, I haven't really prepared it, but it's something. I thought everything about this intro. This is part this is Brendan scinals. I don't think Sony as time starts now, I don't think so, honey. People with social anxiety, I'm truly it's hard for all. I feel like people are like, sorry, I'm a little anxious, Like I have social anxiety. I can't go out. It's difficult for all of It's like

read a book by Emily Post, go to Cotillion. If you have a difficult time and conversation, turn the com versation onto the other person. Ask questions. You can so if you're feeling anxious today, what did you do today? You can say stuff like, um, did your parents vote for Trump? Like changing the subject and feeling like it isn't this whole big thing where everyone's looking at you all the time. All you have to do is talk and maybe have watch television. Ask people if they have

seen those types of things. I think this social anxiety is preventing people from going out, is creating this inside culture of like I love being inside, and I'm like there's art out there and people to be met and beautiful experiences to be had, and that's why thank you. That was beautiful beautifully constructed. That was gorgeous. And also I came to l A with a certain amount of social anxiety, and now I'm looking back and I'm like why why I was just holding myself back to the city. Also,

lets you be crazy, I will. I'm six years into it. And I walked into a jewelry store the other day and I was like, hi, like, I'm looking to make a custom earring and they went fully down the line with this woman where we were like picking the size, and she was like, I'm going to text the jewelers. She's also a marine biologist, so she might be at sea. I was like, well, yeah, go ahead, give you can

you have my number? And then um she called me like two hours later and she was like she can't do it, and I was like, you know what, I'll be in another time and fully psychotic. And then you hung off the phone and we're like, wow, I just I've been underwater for three hours, like I've been in this distortion field of nonsense. You can just be very cooky and like you know those people who you used to be, Like you were at a grocery store and

someone would be like are they out of almonds? And you'd be like, I don't know, And now I'm like, they might be should we ask? Oh my god, that doesn't happen in New York. Also, I'm not working right now, so I'm like, just like I take in day trips, go and spending a long time at the Americana. God, the things that go to the Grove lovely. I don't know. I'm so basic and I love the grow so gorgeous.

I love getting going into vinciag stores and getting the phone number of the person who owns it, giving them my sizes and being like, if you haven't ever have anything like this in my size, just text man all the time. I have like six different people who text me I never buy anything. I go into Fred's Segull, which is a really expensive store, and a woman they're just said, well, occasionally send me a photo of a

high heel. Wow, And I'd be like you. But the thing is about you is if you walked into my Star and gave me your number and said text me if there's stuff that I need, I would see you because I do feel that you're iconic, like and I feel like your energy and everything I people remember you. You're you are, you are a Star You guys are so kind. Um, god, and what a Star E episode? Which is gonna come out? I don't know when is this gonna come out? When do you want to come out?

I've got this Netflix show called Bonding coming out yeah okay, Um, it hasn't been announced, but it's in April written and I'm really trying to get people to watch that. It's like this kind of labor of love. Um. It was this made by this French company called Black Pills, and it was like gonna be on their weird streaming site and um then Netflix saw it. And I won't say

weird because they're all very nice. I think I meant French, but um and um, Netflix spotted and it's putting it on Netflix as is kind of in the way like when people say Netflix buys everything. I'm like, well, that you're attacking me. But I really love it. I played the assistant to a dominatrix and the Dominatrix is this actresses that we live in and it's just basically about our friendship and our work relationship and it's uh. I think it's very fun and sweet. That's beautiful. Well, I

can't wait. If you're listening. Please catch brendanam bonding Yeah, stream feats. Yeah. I felt like when Heathers was coming out, I had difficulty asking people to watch it because there was so much money behind it where it felt very like, um, I don't know, sorry for being in your feed about so much. But now this is like a project where like we did it really um uh, like flying by the seat of our shoes, shoe string, no budget, and it made me feel fall in love with the art again.

I please watch It's great, tweet it and Instagram and I would really appreciate it. You know, we will icon star friend fellow party goer tonight. We'll see you there. All right, this is a very fun episode, Thank you Brendan, and we are now going to end with a song Pocky Slag, Pocky Slag, Pocky slagh, Pocky slag, slag, Pockies slag, the Dulca tones of the Pocket Girls. You're giving me a million reason let you go. You're giving me a million rasons to in the show, giving me a millison.

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