"Teen Witches & Dog Psychics" (w/ Gabe Liedman)

human rights among many other things. And they're lgbtwo Q we should say that. And they asked me, could I present Bowen with the HRC's Visibility Awards, And so I just typed up a little speech for you and cried. I cried on the way there. Did you cry writing about yourself? No, it's it's so bad, it's you're probably gonna Everyone in this room is going to do it at some point in their lives, and everyone's going to

get the it's actually a real culture number seventeen. Everyone at some point is going to visibility award and it's really I you're very visible. I just hate writing about myself. I'm not gonna talking about myself. I really don't think I'm good to talking about myself. So is it a thank you speech? Have they given you a directive? No, there's no directive, but I've I've watched basically everyone else who's gotten like they put them up on YouTube, great

speeches all around from wonderful people in the past. Um and I just want to do a good job. Yeah, it's a lot of pressure. I think it's just I want to make it fun. Not fun. I just want to make it like have a nice little pettina of like you know, you want to you wanted to impast harm to it, but I think it's not even impact. I just wanted to be like, I just want to try to say something kind of kind of new. But

there's nothing new under the sun. It's not even a fun speech where you might not you know, you don't know if you're gonna win. So you can write it a little thing up to time about me like, oh my god, the humility, you know what I mean? Like, do you okay? So when you were a young child and gay, did you ever think what would you would say if you want a major award? I have a line that I have prepared. I don't know. I can't

do I would. I would like fantasize about it, but I would never It would never get to the point where I would like phony and like say stuff, Okay, well I'm bravely going to say that I had a whole first line prepared and this is what it is. Well, whoever counted this is getting fired? So that's me. And now guess why I can't use that. So now I'm gonna have to go up. Now, whoever, whoever countered this is getting fired? Well, let's just all this proves is

that someone can't count not good. I mean, it depends on the delivery. It's one of those things, you know what I'm always nervous about when I watched those awards, like when someone wins and they say, and the people in my category Renee Charlie's Lupete that they'll forget someone and it will be the worst moment of my life watching watching Oh you would not do that, but but you know who did do it. Kate Winslett forgot Miss Angeliana Jolie when she won her Oscar. She was like,

who else? Who else? Oh Angelina? And she's screaming, I don't know about Kate Award shows. I really don't. Well, we're about to get into We're about to get into it. Kated Awards shows. Datha, Datha, remember when she won her Golden Globe, wasn't she kept telling herself, Gatha gather, Yeah, it's there. They're there for some for some reason, like does not sit the Kate's Awards show girl sort of behavior is as if not more, it's it's more despicable than Anne, I gotta say. And Anne also, and you

know we're Doug. We're going there, engineer stop and this might get me in trouble, but I always forget you could get in trouble. Now, will you all say? For saying things like Kate Winslet is despicable at award shows, it's a dangerous path you walk. Now of the the days she's being an HRC visible, she's an undeniable talent. Oh, we all have to do better at award shows. But we all have to do better at award shows. We all have to do better. Who crushes award shows? Though

I don't think anybody does. Na Taga, not Gaga, not truly. There's no one person in Hollywood right now who is crushing it at award shows like I mean that John Patrick Shanley film moon Struck, to be kidding, they know who directed Moonstruck. They start the music right there, like Jesus Christ. You know, get her out of here. I'm gonna say something, you know, it's kind of annoying, truly. The only person who was like such a fun character

to watch this season was Pungentho. That was and and Sharon Choi, the interpreter, And there was rumors like her on the show, rumors that she is writing a script about awards, about the experience, but she denied it vehemently in the last week. She's like, I'm not working on a script, and working on something that's very clear. It is to home. It takes place in Korea, and it's not a script. Well she's she's she's working on the script.

But at some point in my career, I'm still processing this whole moment in my life and at some point I will know what to do with it creatively, which I can't wait. I call the best of luck to Sharon, best of best of luck to you receiving the award. I hope you give a fine speech. I think you'll be wonderful. I think you're talented. Think I think that you have to a lot of talent. I think you have a lot of talent. And you're gonna make me cry. I didn't say I was worried about my speech. You

said you were worried about your speech. Wasn't even very talented? Yes, And I'm just I'm just sort of validating. In addition, speaking of my talent and writing scripts. Oh my god, here's the thing about our guests, my boss, even the boss even and the show runner. Yes, I have to say a show that is going to and this is like I'm going to go bravely say it. Please say it will become a part of the culture. I can't

wor it will become part of the culture. You have been telling me little bits and pieces I literally of this of the story, and I'm just like, I can't believe. Yeah, that's the I can't believe anything close to that's gonna be. I told I was telling Bowen earlier, like I spoiled Bowen with gifts, but with information information, And I told him today about something that happens in the show Q Force coming to Netflix June, so we'll have to have him back. Um, But I told him something that happened

and he was like, that's crazy. You can't do that, and I said, we can, and we're going to. I I love it. You force everyone. It starts Sean Hayes as the pitch is just a three word pitch Gay James Bond And it's sold in the room, and it's sold in the room with it was a three word tell in the room. It's sold in the room. Oh my god. And you love to see it because you love to see It's that it feels like a fantasy. Feels like a dream to me, it feels like a dream.

When you said it feels like that, it feels like that. Okay, And then but like the other credits, we got it. We gotta go go off. Written on every good, very Good Show, Pen fifteen c insie Um, Truly a Parent, Transparent Kroll Show and Iconic sketch Show, Iconic sketch Show, iconic third of Big Terrific, Absolutely, and can you believe part of the trifecta that is Big Terrific was the straight man. Who's the first person to be on this podcasts.

We have not yet had the pleasure of having Jenny Slade. Have you met Jenny's I have not met her. I passed her in the hallway and she was wearing an amazing outfit always and I know our guest things highly of her. Of course, Max and Max and UM just gently got to know him last year at Golden Globes. Oh yes, you guys wrote for the Globes together. Very fun and Um and you and I yeah, oh this is good have formatively sort of interacted with his stand

up album. He doesn't know that. He doesn't know this, and there's a whole story that we have to tell him about. Well, we will tell him, yes, after we bring him in, because I believe it's time to do. It's time to do so. So Matt, when when don't you do the honors? You gotta absolutely give it up for game man Bottle, I pulled out of water, but I footed my chair two inches forward the show. He sit there for all of that. I made me. No is beautiful. Well, I have to say I'm having I'm

having the best time writing on the show. I love working with you. You're an amazing writer. You're so funny, You're a great energy. I love having you around. Your ideas are great. You're really good at writing. TV. Really it makes me feel very very happy. Thank you when you're an amazing actor. Oh gosh, let me tell you. It's a room full of people of writers who perform. That is true. It is very writer performer heavy. You know, who's only one person who doesn't want to perform? That

Tim strip coordinator, strip coordinator. He's like, dum put me in the show. Yeah, he's the only one. I asked, I mean I want to cast everyone. Yeah, that's the dream, that's the Cinderella story. Yeah, that is that's that's that's actually what happened in Cinderella. That's what happened. She's a writer in the room. He's right at the bar. She's a writer in a room. She crushes the table, reading exactly exact to see her, and they're like, put a

shoe on her. And then they put the shoe on her and they're like, well, you know it doesn't fit. But she has a good voice. Yeah, take her out of the pumpkin. I don't know if she's right. Yeah yeah, yeah. They could make up on her. And she's beautiful Kendrick in her big blue dress. Yeah, huge, Kendrick beautiful. Can I ask would you have given the opportunity cast yourself and I already have. I already had. It was the

first thing I did even wrote a script. Come on, yeh, I wrote myself apart that I think could be in every episode. And I'm going to twist arms until that comes true. Yeah. Yeah, actually wow. Now I'm gonna be actively thinking about more places we can put this character in. I feel we need to get. We need to get.

I mean even the other day, like you were talking about like what's best for the episode, and we're like, I think we're going to cut this character out, And I thought to myself, I was like, you're talking to yourself out of scale. You could have that. Now. This show owes me six and that's it. But you know you have to look humble everyone awhile, and then you can pull some ship exactly exactly. He's coming back, yeah, no, coming back for a day. He's getting the tag. Yeah

at the end of the day. If they don't get it, put him in the right I'm going to sing the theme song. Yeah, oh absolutely. And I was thinking, like gay James Bond, like what do you what say you bow? And let's get your bow and opinion on this. Do we do instrumental like incredible esque music like orchestral or do we get in your opinion, should we try to get a damn Bond diva song? Can't you do? But isn't there a world you do both? I guess we

could incorporate strings, I mean absolutely. I mean I think a lot of those Bonds songs start with string. That is true. They it can be both, I guess like they truly it can. But I feel like the queerest Bond song was I was gonna say I, but it is. It's also in the most difference such a dance song, and usually they're painfully slow. Yeah, what do you think of the billy one? Um? Fine with it? It's kind of haven't we? I mean also Adele's too. I'm not

going to listen to that. I have to tell you wrong? You do? Am I wrong? I listened to it all the time. I don't think they're wrong. I think I'm probably deeply, deeply wrong. But also the Academy does agree with me. That's right, and they're never Actually it's actually really culture crash Desert number twelve's crash deserved it, And then you have to make a face like this. They're shrugging for those at home, because a visual medium, we should carry that over. Yeah. So I'm having the best

time read It's so fun. It's like for me, it's a scary job, but it's so fun. It's the most fun I've ever had at work. Um, I love everyone. It's so nice. The fives are so good. The Jew in me literally only cares if everyone else is getting along with each other? Or is that the Jew that's the middle child. It's just something in me where I get it all. I like I if the scripts sucked, if the show got canceled, I would care less than if everyone who was sitting at the table with me

were mad at each other. Oh my god. So just that everyone likes each other is such a huge load off. I mean, you've also been involved in a lot of shows. I've probably dramatic places. Yeah, you've probably seen it all. I have seen quite a lot. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, In fact, we we do. We do have conversations here and there, because guess what, Hollywood, people talk. People talk, So you know what people talk. So when you act a fool, just you know that people talk at Actually, really clare

in our thirty three people talk at food. People talk game. Is this a thing where it's like you've accrued all of this, Like, well, when I run a room, I'm gonna do this, Like, is this is all having some rules of workplace love. Let's say I've been really strict about not having late hours. I don't know, if I

don't know anything get crept into your life in any way. Yeah, yeah, I've just I've worked on so many shows where you watch the whole day disappear, and if you're not in the position of power, it feels like captivity, it feels like assault, it feels like your life is passing. I've just got fallen into so many depressions. Watching my boss is waste time. So I like, I'm on a pretty strict we're done by six unless it's an emergency. We take a lot of breaks, um, and that's when you

can funk around. Right, It's like, you don't I try not to be the person leading any fucking around. I like kind of don't let myself do stuff because I've seen my bosses do stuff. You kind of have to be sort of the cipher in the room in a way. Yeah, you kind of just have to like be okay with

anything happening organically in front of you. I don't know, but I'm I'm speaking from a from no experience but this but that like but from being in rooms, I'm just like, Oh, it's a weirdly social job, entirely, entirely socially. We're making eye contact with twelve people at all times. So something I feel like people don't really realize. It's like, while there is a name on a script, everyone writes the scrip, which is something I think when I wasn't

actively writing television, I didn't really understand. Like I would always like, like, whatever was nominated for the Comedy Emmys, I was always like, oh, well, Matt Hubbard must be the best writer on the best It's like not necessarily true because everyone's jokes everyone, and he might be the one who emails the Emmys, you know, like hey for

your consideration. But yeah, that's something I didn't realize. And so it is so important to have a good atmosphere in like in any working environment, but especially in a creative collaborative environment. That chemistry is important. In a comedy, everyone needs to be proud of the whole season because they did all the all the work, all the work

top to bottom too. It's like from the person who comes early to make sure there's bananas in the bowl, they also need to be like this show fucking rules. So it's just that's the culture of the workplace. That's the culture of the workplace. Yeah, and I have been the boss. I'm doing air quotes for those of you.

I've been the boss before, but this is the first show that I created, So it was like sort of like I have shepherded other people's things, but this is a different vibe where I do feel like I really need to set the tone at all times. That's a lot though, it's a lot of work. I will say he does it with so much like grace and leadership. I thought we're gonna say with so much marijuana. He doesn't with so much marijuana, which is sometimes to Grayson leadership.

It's a job working, working as a as a writer, and TV means picking up on a million different nonverbal cues. That's all I mean, that's not all it is. But it's just like that's such a part of it, and like, I don't know, it's great because I'm picking up on very good vibes from Matt. It sounds like the funnest

funnest room in the world. And what I told him was like, it must be fun to write animated and something queer because it's like there's there's you can blue sky anything, or there's there's no we have insane stuff that's like supernatural happening. It's so queer. That is like the most fun part where it's just like you can just be so queer in your story. Is so queer in the dialogue. So they talk like maniac just wrote

down on the paper, what is the show? I was like, we definitely, said Doug, we definitely say it's Gay Jay's Bond. But that's not the title. It's called Q four and it's coming out in June on Netflix, Baby Baby, starring Shawn Hayes, and not saying who else is in the cast yet, but suffice it to say that if all things go according to plan, the casting will be news. Yeah, the casting is truly insane. People are taking a bit to sign their deals. But it's looking really insane. It's

looking quick. I am incredulous at the casting. Yeah, I think it'll be news anyway. Another reason why it's like such a gag to work with you, and like why it's like we were even you were. You didn't make it because you had to work, but I was so excited you were even doing. I don't think so, honey, when you did, because that's just throwback to our story that we were going to tell you it's gonna make me sweat more. No, no, no, it's it's pretty beautiful.

It's so this was what when was this? This was twenty album came out perhaps, so we're doing a car trip with our sketch group pop Roulette to Toronto, Toronto, Toronto. Was it just Toronto Sketch Festival. I was a lot of fun. We did. We did it. We were in and out and then we drive all the way back down from Toronto to throughout state New York, New York because you drive. We were we didn't really have the money at the time. This is like we had no money.

We're just like kind of weirdly, like a fifteen hour drift, very like New York is such a weird shape, very long, and so we are were like going in the red always doing these sketch comedy festivals. You remember, like it's like you're just doing it to do it, and like hopefully someone sees it her. It's like a cool festival. So we're coming back. It was a cool festival, and we're in the rental car. It's me you and then was it three other people? For me? You David rael Witzky,

maybe that was it? Kind Rachel or Amanda. Amanda was not there because I remember if this happened to Amanda, it would have been a nightmare because love Amanda to death, but she would not have dealt with this situation, which and she and she would since she would admit to that, she would talk to that. But it was Rachel when it's gave meet you, Doug White, David Zone. Yes. So we're all in the car and we are driving along in this rental car and the it's the car just

dies in the middle of nowhere upstate New York. So it breaks down and we are like, okay, well we'll call Triple A away. How long did it take? We were rating in that car for about like almost four hours. No, no, no, no, no no no. It was like iver sex. It was a school day in this car, devastated like literally virgin tears, going crazy. There's no one around. We call three hours into waiting. Turns out Triple A had not left. They forgot did not so they didn't dismatch anyone. We're in

the middle of nowhere. We're thinking about going to this truly Texas chainsaw massacre looking house and being like, can you feel that it was so bad? Finally, eventually, like at six hours into this, we all like packed into this little car, the different car we were driving home, and I think it was Rachel. Who did you say, Rachel Winnieski introduced you to game? Well, Rachel Wis introduced me to Gable. First of all, Rachel was like, Rachel

my way back in the day. We're like, we should go to open mics together, and and Gabe Leman's album had just come out. Hi um, and I was like, oh yeah, like he does that show with Jenny Slate and that and that guy maxel Vestre and then got me any album. I had the album on my Yes, I remember music app So we're devastated, we're sucking cold,

we're crying, we're hungry. We had gone crazy and created this like a bid on Instagram, which was not funny but like but we really thought it was like and um, we were going nuts, and so we put on your album and we laughed, laughed, laughed, laugh, And then for like years afterwards, years after, we were quoting it and I was telling like other like gay stand up that I saw. I was like this, this was good. This is like gay lidman, like I would see anyone that

had like a good set. I was like, this is good, this is like do you know gay liedman stand up? And I remember at the time like I had not listened to a stand up album with friends since I was like on the cross country bus in middle school listening like Dame Cook, and I remember saying like, I'm so glad that kids nowadays have a gay Dame Cook. Oh my god, I love it. I'm i am. My arms are like, well, there's a harder. There's a hoarder's bit on the album again today a couple of hours ago,

and we were quoting it. We were like, um, this, someone comes over on the show Hoarders Do so game has this whole bit about hoarders, and it starts off with him saying I love Hoarders the show, but I hate hoarders the people. Great great like intro for perfect like introductory sentence into the whole body paragraph. But then um, he just goes he just talks about hoarders and he goes like it's a crew of like twelve muscular men from the neighborhood and one like one like leader whatever.

This team comes over to their house and they'll be like, Hi, can we help clean up here? Insane and then got sweating. No, I'm so flattered. That's so nice. It's beautiful, it's very good. I'm proud. Yes, my only album. It was so like you know, it was good. Yes, I felt good about it. And here's the thing. Here's the thing that we just have revealed that Gabe was culture that influenced us. And

after this ad break, I'm looking into Dug Engineer's eyes. Um, we are going to find out what culture made gay bled men say I forgot the rest of it cultures for me. There you go right after this and we're back with gay bled men of the game. We're gonna ask you the question that we ask all of our guests because is what is the culture that made you say culture is for me? The culture that made me say culture is for me? The film The Craft? Has

anyone else done that? So okay, it really changed everything for me. Tell tell us about the Craft because I know vaguely about the craft. Have you not seen the craft? I think you might be talking to two people who have not seen the really who culturally know the craft understand the significant First of all, that's absolutely fine. I'm not one of those people. UM see it in your own time, but do see it. It's really good. It's

about four teenage witches in high school. So it kind of starts there's like these three outcasts who um are like the you know, kind of everyone's shipping on them in their grades. Three girls. It's a Catholic school. Then a new girl comes to school and she is like the fourth person you need to put together a coven. You need four for the cardinal direction of course. So um yeah, and they know this because she can make a pencil stand on its tip during class with totally

and they're like did you see that? And then they kind of become friends with her, and their powers grow. But it corrupts some of them. I would imagine it does. And it's just sort of like their rise in high school from being like the complete ship outcast, like scarily popular and magical, and then they kind of turn on each other and you know, does evil prevail or does good. I guess I don't know. So famously for we stand, we stand. She is the face of the nineties for

so many people. Also, Nev Campbell, I was gonna nineties star power. I applaud absolutely. Then it's also then. The third person is Robin Tunney, who has gone on. She acted on a big CBS drama. She's still working famously now in the Alison Bree Netflix playing like a cop on a procedural that she's watching, which is um. And the fourth person is Rachel True, who has become an author.

She writes like witchy books, and I heard that she reads tarot cards at this witch store in Silver Lake called the House of Intuition that I have not actually followed up on that, but I do follow her in all social media. Um, what's really a bummer is that they have left her name out of the credits on Netflix. And I follow her on social media, and she does like everyone's not Everyone's a while quite often is like hey Netflix, and you please add my name you This

is crazy, that insane. So she's one of the leads to the to the little like little like brow text exactly exactly. So sorry Nev Campbell for Rousa Bak, maybe Robin Tuney as well, yea, and one of the I think Skeet ol Rich is the boy. Yes, I think it's him. I'm going to get dragged. Also, like watched it like a month ago. I is it one of those movies you're you frequently go. I watched it a couple of times a year, and it's like it kind

of defined like fashion for me, very grunge. It's very like Kilts eyeliner, which is nothing that I'm wearing right now, but it's like what I think is hot. You know who I think loves this movie, Pat Into the Craf. I can actually feel that from across the country. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know he actually loves the craft. And I also think he follows nev Kemberl and would follow her the rest of her. She's the best. She's literally such a good actress. Yeah. The latest Scream is amazing, really good.

Scream four, you've seen it, I haven't seen it's actually any Scream movie. I gotta watch the first one. I gotta watch all of them. I watched them for Courtney Cox for Courtney is actually incredible and also not for nothing, but one of the best intro scenes to any movie Withdrew because they also that's when they could pull off that thing of like you see Drew Barrymore on the poster and assume she's going to be the star because

she's one of the most famous people. And then it gets killed five minutes in and you're like, what anything could happen which you couldn't do? Now, well you couldn't. They've done that recently, mom and Mia two did that with Meryl. You put Mary on the damn post, right. We literally want no, we got really really high. I want to go see him, I mean too. And then the movie opens and it's like Meryl, she's picture on

the wall and it's like very clear. Seconds in and Bowen turns to me and goes, is Meryl Streep not? And I said, she's not in it? And not till the end? I don't think then why the funk are we here? And I was like, she is going to come on in ninety minutes and she's gonna sing a song while walking down the stairs wild So that's like a reverse because Meryl shows up at the end, but

that's a reverse scream. I'm telling you, like, I think that script should be nominated for an Oscar Scream screams yes, because I think it's like one of those things where it's like genre wise, you don't take it seriously. It's like clueless like girls, it's like girls like mean girls, like mean girls, like clueless, like clueless. Yeah, Like I mean absolutely, I mean, these are scripts that are packed with jokes and like define their genre. And I think

because you can't. You don't know a genre is being defined while it's happening. You know, you might find yourself quoting it twenty years later. Literally, I mean, and Clues is one that I watched several times a year. But Scream that first scene, like from a scripting perspective, from a directorial perspective, from an acting perspective, She's so good. She's so good. She's one of the best. She's one of the best. Did she came up? Yeah? Are you a Drew fan? I love Drew. She has her own style.

Very few actors do. Drew Barrymore is the only celebrity with a housewear line that could make me buy from Walmart. Truly, she got some cute stuff. She really got cute lamps, cute little framed you know, drawings of palm trees, really cute, cute. Here's what I'd say. We often play on this podcast star actress. I'm gonna say both. I'm gonna say both because she often elevates materials and this is the thing,

this is like the j Loo of it all. It's like, you can't you can't be mad at j Loo because some of the ship she's been in, like Drew Barrymore has been in some garbage. But she always elevates about movie star totally, absolutely, and sometimes she produces it. Sometimes she produces Charlie's Flower films. Done Darko, Donnie Darko, you forget to play the teacher famous. Now, okay, let's do this with the rest of Let's do this with the

cast of of the craft. Nev is what I would say, Nev is, this is an interesting if she, if she had her druthers, she would be both. I think she should be both. I think that she is. Wow, it's so undeniably an actress. I guess I guess I'm gonna say actress. But I do think she has stardom to her and and we we should say that stardom is purely defined by level of fame, right, Okay, she just no, no, no, no no actress. Yeah, hard actress, ability to act high level.

But for me, stardom is like you see them on screen and you're like, I mean, yeah, and you do do that with her. But something she also has the acting great very good on House of Cards and Madmen. So she doesn't yes, and yes she doesn't. She doesn't uh coexist. She doesn't hold both at the same time that much. But she can flip between the two. Rum I'm gonna go ahead and say start. And it's shocking that she's not more of a thing. Yeah, I mean, and because she's such a thing, you could just stick

her anywhere. She just would make a part of her own. Yeah. But also you know she's okay. I don't know that she's okay. Yeah. Honestly, she's like from the Brittany Murphy school. Yeah, that kind of edgy girl in the nineties. Who would have did I was I talking to you about this. I think I brought it up, maybe even to the room. You were saying Britney would have won an oscar right now. No, I don't think she would have won an oscar. I think Brittany Murphy would have popped off in the age

of prestige television. Yeah, you did say that in your right I think that she is the kind of actress who you can see Britney Murphy on like The Hendmaid's Tail, you can see Brittany Murphy and like any of these like cable dramas, like you can see her on like you know, doing that Rolese Burn role on. Damn she's my Mazel. Yeah, yesshtag my mazel. We love Rachel. We love Rachel. Is Britney was Brittany Jewish? She's New Yorky? I don't know, okay, Rael, Yeah, there you go, not Jewish?

Um okay? And then Robin and Rachel do we say you gotta say you'd have to I'd have to be able to know face looks like when someone says your name for you to be a star. These are actresses and now um an author and authors and terror readers and yeah, and you know what, it's better to be an author than a star and actress. And that's a ruler culture one percent of the time, it's better to be an author than a star or no. And which rule culture is that? Again? Whastrul which roller coaster is that?

Rules of rule of culture sounds a lot like roller coaster. It doesn't really, and that's a rule of culture. So ruler culture number seventy two is rule culture sounder coature, and rule culture number is it's better to be an author than a star or actress. Okay, And we have even though even though neither of us have seen the craft, we have to thank the craft and Cete our sources. The phenomenal music video to the little mixed song La Magic. No,

this is gonna be afterwars. We're gonna show you the culture. And that's actually, um, readers, that's actually homework for you guys, to please, please guys, do your homework and watch the little music video for black Magic. It's phenomenal. Okay, speaking of the supernatural, and Taro Matt wants to bring this up,

and I'm so curious as well. So you actually and this is something I liked even about you even more as I got to know you like you are a little cookie like me, and you like to do tarot readings and so oh god, my ex boyfriend Henry would roll over, I almost, but at least that I put him through so much, I should pay for his grave. Um. But if he knew that I was into saro. So we did a little Taro reading in the room and then I was like, I wonder how far this goes?

And then you said something which really set me on a path. Try to do this with my boyfriend? Would you do with your husband? Which is you hired a dog psychic? Yes? Well I did this despite my husband. Okay, he really um, I mean, look, it's like he can't like physically stop me. But he was not like, he was not like you gotta do this, babe. He was like, this is so dumb. Make sure it's not that expensive. And then when I told him all the information, he

was like, yeah, um, he was not impressed. I mean by some of some of the things were impressive. So tell us, say, tell us why you wanted the psychic, what your questions were, and what the answers were, if you don't mind. Process was telling me about the process, about how the process. Okay, So I found this dog psychic through a coworker's mom who talks to her. I think extremely regularly. I consider this probably a one time deal. Maybe all follow up in a couple of years or

something insane happens. There's more of a curiosity. So I have a puppy. She's one hatter since she was eight weeks or whenever you get a puppy. Um, she's a rescue UM. And but he put his hands up like, don't shoot, don't shoot. She's a rescue lydia. She's stunning Instagram. One of the most beautiful woman in the world, straight up hot. I'll say it about my own um. And so like she puppies go through phases, like they have personalities, and she was like very like open to everything. As

a young puppy. Everything pleased her. She was jumping every super super happy. And then as she grew up a little bit, she started to like not like when we had guests, and you know how every dog will kind of like bark at you for like a couple of minutes when you walk in the house and then they chill. Like she did not get to that next place where she chilled. It was like a constant emergency for like two hours during dinner and it's like embarrassing and it's

like annoying. Um. And we got a trainer, UM, but honestly, training a doctas out of practice and like I'm like pretty inconsistent about ship, and um, I was like, maybe the psychic can just like crack her head open and tell her to chill. She kind of did, didn't, but okay, So the process is you send a photo. You said, okay, yeah, sorry, I'm in California, this woman is in Massachusetts. My dog is in another part. Like I'm in my office, my dog is at home. We're not anywhere near each other.

The woman, the psychic is even further away. She's thousands of miles away. She just wants to know your dog's name and to see a picture too. So I did that, and that's all it takes to commune, to commune, and then you get on the phone with her, you call her landline. That's also she doesn't like email. Like to schedule with her, you also have to call her landline, which so you know what we're getting into. So um she so I was like, Lydia just doesn't chill out

her own guests. Can you like tell her that, like if a guest is in our house for more than like two minutes and we're not scared, she needs to calm down, calm down. And she was like, okay, um, I'm getting in touch with Lydia and Okay, Oh wow, she's really funny. And I was like really, and she goes, yeah, she's my daughter. She was like, it's so funny. She just said, well can you tell him? It's just like isn't it so much better when it's just the three

of us? Whoa? And I was like, I mean, she's kind of right, but she's also like it's not up to her, like I don't And I had not mentioned that I was married or anything. I mean, look, she knew my person last name. Maybe she instagram me, I don't think. So I had to schedule with her on my Yeah. Um so that was pretty crazy. It was the one thing that pushed it over the edge where I was because I'm trying to get Jared to do this yes okay, and what was the real what was

the thing that she was like, this is insane? Okay. So she also like doesn't love being in the car. It's like she doesn't get like, she doesn't throw up, but she just never chills. She like stands on the backseat and just kind of like walks back and forth. It's like falls because the car is moving. Um so um, I was like she suddenly like hates the car and um. She was like, huh, let me ask her about that. Um, okay, this is interesting. Did you ever have to take her

to the vet for an allergic reaction? And I was like, actually, yeah, I did. Like we were playing in the backyard and then I looked down and like her face had just blown up and it was like her eyes were swollen shut, her mouth was like crazy and huge, and she just

like looked crazy. So I like scooped her up and drove her to the vet and was really upset, and she Lydia told her that when I took her to the vet for her allergic reaction, she Lydia could tell I was thinking she was going to die, because I totally was. By the way, the whole time. I was like, fun, I can't believe this is how she dies. She's so young. Daniels out of town and I was just like, this is the most freak thing ever. Is it different when

she's in the car with Daniel? Sorry, doesn't Oh, I don't. I don't know. Well, Daniel, we share a car and I always drive. Daniel doesn't like driving it all, Okay, he drives start in other cities. But yeah, no, it's just like she just all of a sudden doesn't like the car um And I was like, and she was like, she could just tell that. You could tell you were thinking she's going to die right now. And then now she's scared of the vet and she's a little scared

of the car. So you can like tell her we're going to the park, We're not going to the vets, don't worry, and she might like calm down. That didn't exactly work. But she also gave me some herbs feater, which I didn't buy. At that point you trace it back and all of a sudden, her landline is an herb and you realize the sick operation that this woman is running. Wait, is that really what happened? She's she's a very the craft. But she was like, you could

give her these herbs in my palmer down. I was like, when she sold enough, I'll give her weed. I don't know. So I'm going to get on the phone with this with this woman, because I was convinced and jared when you were saying, I'm a little convinced about the picture. It's very weird. What is that? So she was looking at the picture and she was like Lydia sayings to me right, that makes no sense right now. But um, she's telling me, but she thinks she looks fat in

the bad picture. No, she was saying. Lydia was telling her, I'm a boxer. Can you tell him I'm a boxer? And wait, wait what is Well, okay, she's a beagle. No I do know, because I all I do is spend money. And so I have done two DNA tests on her because I was like, I'll always doubt the first one, so I need to buy two different companies

that cost thousands, I mean not thousands, hundreds. Um one was like forty bucks and the other one but I needed then to compare and they both had the same And she is a beagle, a pit bull, a lab, and fourthly a boxer, and so whenever I but she doesn't look anything like a boxer. She looks like a lab. Everyone's like she's a chocolate lab. But then I'm like, she's actually a beagle and pit bull is what I always say, because that's what she looks like to me.

And then she was like, I'm a boxer. I want can you tell him I'm a boxer? And she was like, she was like, this makes no sense to me. Because I'm looking at the picture. She doesn't she's not a boxer, right, And I was like, she's like one eighth boxer whatever, and she feels like a boxer and she this woman the psychic was like dogs. Some dogs have a relationship to breed that you would equate to like nationality or religion. I was gonna say, so she identifies as a boxer.

So she was like, I don't know if it would help her relax if when people ask what breed you throw boxer in there, or maybe you can look online some you know, different breeds, like different activities. Do boxer stuff with her and like a pet identity. Yeah, it's not crazy. And I'm begging. He's like, I don't know. He was like, baby, he's like the dog is all over games Instagram. I was like yeah, but you know what though, it's not like that. She was able. He

was talking, he was talking down to me. I felt, yeah, I broke up with him and we haven't spoken. This is the final wait what even? Oh? Okay? She was like, Lydia's telling me that she saw you and Daniel the day before you adopted her, which is true because we went to the rescue place because you have to like interview for dogs. We went there to get approved for other puppies who were still too young. We saw them

on like the rescue places Instagram. We're like, oh, let's go like get it on the list for these puppies. Went and got interviewed, and then we're like leaving because those puppies were still too young to take home. And we were on leaving and we were approved to get a dog, and Lydia was like the puppy in the window and we were driving home and were like, that puppy in the window was so cute. Should we just

go back tomorrow and get her? So we did, and Lydia told the psychic that that happened, but also said she thinks that it was She feels that it was great timing that we got her when we did, because specifically, I, according to Lydia, was coming out of a tailspin. Is this true? So true? Oh my god, unless this woman is like the landline owners, I was coming out of

a tail space. That's when you get right. Of course, it's probably true of most people, honestly, that that could be a thing she picked up on, but like, that is crazy to me. And also it is. I can't describe how funny I think it is. Where she's like Lydia feels that, oh she's funny, she's actually hilarious. Yep, that is so okay. Well, I I I started off as a skeptic, and I gotta say I'm fully convinced.

Now you gotta do it, you gotta do Okay, Well, when we come back, Matt, I want, I want to hear more about Jane Jared's dog, and then and yeah, and and I'll convince my boyfriend, new fan of the podcast by the way, never listen to it until he went away. Now he's in Atlanta and he's like, I love the podcast. It's the best podcast of all time. I was like, hyperbolic. He's the hyperbolic queen, hyperbolic. After the ad brick, I'll tell you all about his special

needs dog. And we're back. So the dog's name is Jane, and she's special needs. I feel we feel she's crazy, she's cookie. I want to know what's up with her. She sometimes just won't listen. She is one and a half, um and that could be it. Yeah, I think I think this could be what it is. And I think they're suckers like, oh stupid, they're so dumb. Yeah, and training them is so much work. Like I just watch him with the dog and like like sometimes he'll have to take the dog and like sit it down and

stop bad girl. And I hear it and I'm like, you can't talk to her like that, and he's like this is parenting. No exactly exactly. Daniels so good about that ship and I'm so inconsistent and all the trainers are always yelling at me the whole time, like they're like, your dog is not you are sucked up where it's like this is like not why this? Yeah, it's just like when you're yelling at them, you're not allowed. I feel so bad. So I pet her and like be

like and they're like you're undoing everything. She doesn't understand you, now, okay, that's what it is. Like. Yeah, it's it's like when you yell at the dog and then you a second later laugh at something it's doing, or like, yes, exactly gets mad at me when I laugh at the dog when he's like stop and because you because the dogs are so dumb. Yeah, I mean Jane is I've only my Jane once. She was she was very groggy. She'd

just come out of a drugging nap. Well that's when that's no. Yeah, well that I mean yeah, like sometimes you gotta you gotta make the dogs go on drugs. We're having people over, is this um like uh what wait? What is that Bena drill? It was like it was it was like in that I don't I don't think it was weed. Although, like there's so much weed in our in our apartment, Like we don't live together, but when we are together, there is so much weed filling

the air. At all times. There's dog weed. Yeah right, but this dog I think would get second hand high probably every single day of his life. But but it's not like it calms down. The dog is jumping all over the place. The dog. You gotta drug your dog. Sometimes the dog has the energy of Ashton Kutcher Young. That's how that's the energy that that kind of butterfly effects energy is and and the butterfly effect is actually what we remember Ashton Kutcher for, and it's actually real

culture number four. The butterfly effect is actually what we remember Ashton Kutcher for. And that's his most iconic contribution to film and television, Where My Car, Where's My Weed? Always? Remember? Which is so iconic to me is that the movie No Strings Attached was Ashton Kutcher, and then it was Natalie Apartman and Natalie Apartment's three best friends were played by What What What? Clearly have not seen the movie. What can you believe? Literally, Ashton Kutcher is getting paid

the most. I'm sure he's in the room with four truly brilliant multi hyphen a people. Yes, Guy Bradam, iconic, mindy legend, the growing Natalie. I'm gonna wear an embroidered coat with the name. Every female director on Love Anyone was interestod. I got to say that movie is. People have not talked about that movie in that way because it truly is. That's in. It's crazy enough for it to just be mindy, right, just mindy and well. I think the craziest thing is to remind yourself that Greta

Gerwig acts. Yes, they're also I mean wildly different ages. Yes, a lot a friend group. Grwig is like about to turn basically she's so young, she's in her thirties. Yeah, they were all playing surgeons or something, right, they were all like, yeah, we're did the same hospital. Oh my god, that's that intelligence. Read what they were all intelligent. I believe that we have these motherfucker's on grazit out of me. I'm like, you can't know, you can't say that word

kind of. Oh of course. I love Guy is actually number one and so great. I've lucked out. And when I heard, because I was excited to hear if I was going to get the job on Q Force, and I also heard that he was maybe going to get there, and I was like praying because we worked at and we worked at the others two together, and I enjoyed working with him so much. My work wife, work wife. He has talked me off so many lodges, just mentally, just like I. He's checked in with me so often lately.

He's very good at that. And he has said the exact right thing at the exact right time every time. What a beautiful, beautiful, beauty beautiful. Yang's Wikipedia it says he is mentored by Guy Brandon. Really personal life used to be Gang is gay. He lives, he lives in Brooklyn. He's mentored by Guy brand No, I think it is. I think I mentioned him in some articles mentors. I was like oh, guy brand him like the guy Brandon was always when we were when we were really starting out.

I remember, well he did your show at Ethnic in the pit based basement and I did a little I used to do a little character at the basement. It was the pit, a new pit, not the one that was right. Yeah, we all did. We all were kicking around the many different pits. Yeah okay and otherwise, um, but he came to like he did bow and show I think you hosted with so this is like what six seven years ago, and he did like a little

character bit on it. And I remember, like we were so excited he was there because we had on him from Jos Tyler and I've known him from totally biased and stuff, and he was so nice. He has never needed to be because I always looked up to him. So anyway, guy brownam is in the room. And also I should set shout out who else is in the room, which is Ira Madison, the third who I loved Ira beforehand just from like being friends. It's a different it's a different Ira. And the thing is like his energy.

I love. I love sharing an office with him. And I was telling Boonen before, like you think you see a meme on the internet and it's funny, and then I gets a hold of it and it's like like the knives out thing. Every time he does it, it's still funny and like, honestly, like I'm waiting to be annoyed by like her knives are, but I'm I'm not sick of It's not annoying. It's crazy, honey, her gems they're cut. I'm just like, this is the smut ship I've ever also talk about, like expert employment of oh

knows exactly what he does with the other girls did. Yeah, I'm wait, I'm actually gonna play what I say right now, I'm gonna play one because this was one he found the other day. And this to me is like somehow he'll somehow just like find these Whitney Houston interviews. And I remember he posted He's like Billie Eilish New Bond theme a song and then he said this my reaction to the Billie Eilish song. And he said this, You know, songs like that, they are stories that people can identify with,

you know me, anybody. Children were singing this song at graduations, at weddings, as funerals, children were graduation weddings at funerals to talk about this song. I'm like, this is so dumb. I mean, what do we have? Do we should we credit him for a moment most pleasing to me in my career? I mean I think so? Do you know how to make memes? Literally have no idea? And there's been one for years that I've always wanted to use, which is from Jennifer Hudson's American Idol audition. It's literally

just this. Whenever anyone says something that's true, I I post this, Yeah, definitely, definitely that, like the words definitely that, Like I am saying that what you're saying is true. Definitely that. And I wanted for so long And how much more work needs to be done other than that

clip that you have? I mean, now I haven't now you have be posting Jennifer saying definitely, but you you post the full video enough times to like an accompanying tweet or something, and then at a certain point you just post a screen grab of that and the people can hear it. And literally now it's just Jennifer Hudson standing there in front of the American Idle logo and everyone knows what I'm saying definitely that, Yeah, front runner

for a title of that. Definitely definitely that. Um wait, and also in the room is Megan m ram god a goddess And also we truly gave came here and did one of our favorite episodes of last one of the best. I don't think so honey is in my book. I don't think so honey. Hell kitty, you white bitch. Just what a master for a bigger Disney gay than me. That's so fascinating. Yeah, I mean and everything gay. Like she's a Broadway gay, she's a Disney gay. She's a game. Yeah,

she's like this neighborhood of Hollywood game. She goes to this freaking mall with the David Busters unwind. She's the gayest. I was. You know, when you when you sell a gay show, you're like, I'm going to have an all gay writers. Yes, yes, And then we get bumps along the way and get suggestions from the network in the studio and um, when Megan, you know, came across my way.

We've been friends for a long time, I was like, I actually think that by most people standards, she's gayer than I. Yes, I would say she has like something like is going on with her. That's gay energy and it seeps through because I'll say her tweets are also queer. Yeah, and you have a queer Twitter too, because it's bravely still the bit is sticking where you say all capitals send at the end of every tweet year truly and iconic. I think it's been going for like ten years or something.

I deleted old tweets. Love it, Yeah, I love it. It It should never dance the chest of time. It really does. And that's the repetition that I'm saying that this is the chosen family of queer force. You do that, Fra does all his memes. Megan will post every day. Today was the day Donald Trump fine only became president. I give it like every time I see every time in thousand, like she's a million typing it every day because it's different,

it's different and it comes out at weird time. She's taking the time to type that sentence and hitting sense. So it's them. Guy Branda, Max Sylvestri, who we met on literally cannot believe he was your first guess. He was love that he was. He was our first guest. Out of you, I got no he came in like we probably have done like seventy episodes, and it was

fully a blind date. We didn't know him, and he's friends with my man, with our manager, Kara Maslin, and because Kara reps John Lane and there, and so she was like, you would like to have Max on the podcast? And I was like, sure, let's go. And we hit it off and it's truly funny. It's the funniest, how smart famous. I will do a plug right after this and we're back. I will say that Max Sylvestry is a contestant on My Quimby Show game show coming out in April six, and he is the first thing you

see in our trailer. It's so funny. He is the first thing and it's gonna be great. Him lies to Die is an icon, a genius. Yeah. I actually fucking love her and I had known her years ago. Did you know her in New York? I knew of Like the incident that happened yet hit by a jam track? She got ran over by the fucking subway, Yes, and survived and lived to tell the tale. What did they call it? What happened to her? Like? Do you know what a gloving is? It's like the flesh comes off

and the muscle. Yeah, girl, she has her leg barely, you know what I mean. Like it's been a real process. She's been recovering for I don't know, six years or something like that. Reconstructed wound, hair pain managed, and just you know, fighting spirit. And here she has I mean, she has an amazing job and she's killing. Yeah. I love her, Chloe Keenan wrote on Transparent amazing. And then we've got who else is in there? Oh my god, and Mr Miss Mike we must stand, we stand. Mike.

I love him. Yeah, he's the greatest, great future you know. He he's like I think, I said to him, I got him for Secret Santa. This guy, you guys, Mike Leebanson. Look him up on Instagram and he's great and he's really good energy and it emanates from him. And I said, the first time I saw him perform, and he I do musical comedy and he does too. And I saw what he did and I really like it clicked with me. I was like, oh that's I feel like we speak

the same language. And I said to him when I got him for Secret for Secret Santah, I got him in this like hideous bright shirt and I said, you're a star and you need a hideous statement peace. So I got you. Meanwhile, he's got like all the hideous and they're glamorous yea. And he looks great every day. It's always look Yeah. Well, we do themes for Okay, so we were kind of inspired by the Nora Yes and the looks you guys were turning out and posting.

And we do a fashion and stuff for Q Force Looks, which is just we did a soft launch. There's not many picks up, but they're coming. Oh, I have to follow it, but we you have to find follow it. Um. But we do like an optional kind of fashion challenge today. Actually in Matt's absence, we didn't have a freaking challenge, but I hear, I mean I thought the theme was magic. Oh what I missed the thing. I think that maybe everyone was focused on work today and not not it

mean challenge who dressed magic? Now? I'm just like looking at Mike look magical today. My gud always looks magic. He's always before that was country strong, country, and like he looked amazing for that shirt and everything, and from Melick came over to him and was like, you would like this designer right now and was like like told him, like the style of shirt that he was wearing. He told him about like where that originated from. He was

like knowledgeable about the origins of that kind of style. No, this Nelix god, um, But we've had some funny challenges so far. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I'm at a backlog of photos coming yeah for the top. But yeah, we're having a great time. It sounds truly so joyful. I can't wait for the Zachary Stevens writer's assistant with other writer's assistants, it's it's a it's a that's a hard job,

that is hard job, that is a hard job. And Tims in tech and of course the hardest, hardest timp Cardinator's hard Jean Paul working Bergeron and I thought was he related to Tom Bergeron and non independent is an independent Burgeron, which actuallyly I love for him. But yeah, anyway, I couldn't be couldn't be more excited about what it's going to be and what it's shaping up to become. And it's going to be part of the culture, which

is the highest compliment anyone could give. And you know, I'm just knocking on every damn piece of wood for these for all these casting buttons to be to be up, because i want to spoil it so bad, but I'm not going to you know what, I already know the Instagram up. I'm going to use. Yeah if if we get it, who we think we're getting and there's a deadline announcement, which there I think would be. I mean, I love it now, So now what would you say?

It's probably time? I think it's time. I think it might be time for I don't think so honey, now, nott what I don't think it's honey talk. Well I'll tell you I don't think so honey. Is a segment that we do and have been doing, um where we take one minute to rant against something in pop culture that we don't like, we find a distaste for, we hate even um which is hard to say, but you know often true. Yes, um, so Bowen, I would like I do have a topic. I have one that might

not be an actual thing that I have. Would you like me to go first? Um? I can go first. This time you can find of mix it up huge all right, this is bone Yanks. Actually I don't think so honey. And the thing is his time starts now, I don't think so, honey. Sticky menus at restaurants, do you know what I'm talking about, where the sauce or the drink or the substance has stuck and added to

the laminate of the menu. Darling. You either make it a fully f you wipe down the menus after each use, or you make it a damn place matt And that actually does not elevate the experience for some I don't care if you're a damn Capital grill and you've got the menu on the place matts. I don't even know if they do that, but it takes me out when the when I can read the words on the thing that i'm that my plate is on. You know what I'm saying. But sticky menus, let's go back to the

let's go back to the culprit. Sticky menus. You're you're upsetting me from the jump and I I have to really really crawl out of the hole that you've dug me into. And sticky menus, I think that automatically bring the health department grade down to a sea and it only goes downhill from there if you bring me more sticky menu. And that's actually one minute. And I can say as a server, as a former server, that it on the list of backup house judies. It is it

gets skipped. And then these menus are disgusting. And you have these girls. You have these young girls marrying ketchups at nauseum. You have these young girls elbow deep and salad dressings marrying those. You have these young girls really grease in their elbow. Which is which is actually is a phrase rolling silverware. Yes, I'm shaking my head and you are, and and Bowen is all of us right now shaking his head. But one actually is all of

us right now. Matt wants to revive the very basic phrase that person is all of the girl wearing this hat is all of us right now. I like that that. Oh it's a thing. I would have invented it now. Oh, I mean I wish, I wish I could say I invented almost anything that I say, But it's not true. Um, but yeah, it's like all of us right now because we feel empty now backup house duties. So it's it's the server's job. Well, what happens is so I stay

backup house students. But really I think it's the host's job. Yes, but that often is the host job. But these things cross over, you know, just because well let me say this, but then you gotta get hot. I was gonna, girl, it's you know where it is. It's gonna drip on the reservation. Yeah. Here's the thing. First of all, this is this is the year of otions happen online. Thank you? Okay, true enough, And that's just that, And I mean I won't say anything else about it. I refuse um over

the phone. Reservations are all of us, you guys, They're all of us right now. Calling the restaurant is all of us. I mean, that's why they call it the reservations. So that I another stupid bit that we started doing in probably cross Side on high, this magic event, and I am not able to get over at the funniest thing in the world. I don't know. That was looked fun. It was looks really fun. And then it got dark for me, okay, because I looked around and I was like,

oh I look, I feel and look bad. The circuit people, we can get it. It's hard, like you know, like the like and like this sort of like like that was coming to l A was like, oh my god, we could go on probably I don't think so, Okay, well then we want touch on this. We'll save it for after. But but what I was saying was backup

house stories. It's really sidework that I'm concerned with. I'm concerned that what we're doing is we're busying the young girls who are keeping the restaurant industry up, and we applaud them for that. We're concerning them with all this side work because we're used to saying, like, of course side rock Mary, the catchups were letting the sticky menus fall by the wayside, and it's bringing down the restaurant. Absolutely it is. Now I do have to tell people

what the bit was. Oh, yes, tell the people the bit. So I don't know. Somehow we'd gotten to talk about bon Jovi. Yeah, already laughing, and then topic discussion at the gay house at the gay house is bon Jovi, and we're like, guys like bon Jovie, like has has the heads And then Matt goes, well, yes, he well, yes, he breaks the boundaries. That's actually why they call him. That's why they call him bond Jovi. And so then it just became me like, well, you know, that's why

they call him Bowen. Yeah, it's like like something that has nothing to do with the name. It's like Boone is a very good photographer. That's why they call him. Yeah, the stupidest thing try it at home, and the dumb miss thing in the world, you know. And it was something I made up. So I'm proud. So it's I think you should be very proud and that you can source back to you. I guess you might have to get a merch store. Oh my god, we might have to get a merch But how would we put that

on merch anyway? Not for the Okay, Now, I think it's time for Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey. I actually think it is okay. So I have you on on my little time or on my phone, and this is Matt. Hold on, I'm looking at two and saying, Okay, Okay, I know what I'm gonna do. Okay, this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey. As time starts now, I don't think so, honey. You made a snap judgment on

the morning show. Honey girl. It actually gets good after the first few episodes, and Jennifer Aniston is turning into performance and I don't think so, honey you And also I would include in the royal you capital y oh you me for making a snap judgment on the Morning Show, because even on this very podcast, I said, L O L the Morning Show suc g s and then I actually continue to watch it and guess what they figured

it out. I do think so honey the second back the back half of the season, because let me tell you something, Miss Google and botha raw giving you a performance. Ms Reese, you know she's giving you giving it to you. Um, but Jennifer is saying, and what's his name, Billy crude Up, I'm actually gonna have to give it up for that weirdo. I do think he's like a psycho in the in the show, his weird performance is weird, very iris socratic. I think it actually made a comment on me too

better than a lot of these other girls. And that's one minute you're saying Billy Crudup made a better comment on me. No, no, no, I said the Morning Show made a better comment like what was the Bomb Show? Okay, So I think that the Morning Show is a smarter, better look at what a better comment on me too in the Bomb Show? Interesting, I've only watched the first

two episodes because it sucks. I was really like, I'm sure it's so accurate, but literally, when she fucking drinks red Bull to work out in the morning in the morning, I was like, I don't think I can watch this. Now, give me the weirdest. It was like written by a computer that was told like, hey, this she has to we have to get across that she needs her energy. And it's very yeah, but I'm but I'm now I'm

and now I'm saying that. I'm like, I don't know if they do maybe, but no, I thought it would be. I thought it was pretty bad. But I like to hear that it's good. I like both of those actresses. It's a good I actually identify. I identify as Reese. Now what what about that character in my life? Oftentimes, like I'll just be walking around and like you never you ever, you ever? Like you ever like see a person in your head when you picture yourself. For me,

almost of the time, I see myself as Rees. Like when I look in there here, I see Reese. I don't know what that means for me, but like Rees, especially in big Little Lies, I was like, I'm her, you are you are, specifically Reece when she gets arrested. If I saw that video for the first time, because yeah, it makes you like her more. Absolutely, it's so crazy, so long, it's endearing. But I need to know what

is going on. This is that she keeps saying, I'm American, American, I'm American standing on American ground ground, and I have I have rights. Yeah, but her her going on Good Morning America or Today's show the next day icon iconic because she was like she was like, I said I was pregnant. I wasn't. She was, so she was just so like down to earth about it. She was like, yeah, it's stupid. I got drunk, I too too much to drink. And it was truly iconic. Do you know who I am? Well,

you're gonna find out who I am. This this guy National News, I'm gonna find out who I am. It was so every everything you don't say, everything that no one else can say. That's what bugged me about is like anyone else says two of those words and gets clubbed over the head or put in jail for sure, which bothers me that. But at the I think, like I think, because it's really that's why I didn't think it's so funny, which is her privilege. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

it's but that is when it is internutshell. And also it's so funny because like she gets put away in the car because she's like, I need to know what's going on. He's like, man, I'm on and her boyfriend is like her agent and it's her husband, and her husband is like says to the cop I'm sorry, I don't I had nothing to do with that. When she's in the cop car, she's talking to herself, resting me, talking to herself, I've done nothing. And then she goes,

I'm obstructing his interest. Interesting. Interesting? Now, um, what about the episodes made you can want to keep watching if they were so bad in the beginning. Well, the thing is like I think it's the morning show, noess of it all, and I love that ship. Like I was like,

I'm interested in this and invested in an end. I had had people that I trust tell me that it got better, and I was like, I'm honestly, I'm ready for it to be good to be there's honestly, maybe it's the fact that you adjust to the heightened writing, or just like it evens out a little bit. I can't really decide whether it's I'm getting used to the fact that it's like and campy or if it actually got better. I think it's probably an element of both.

But the last episode, like did it did its thing? Yeah, and it got a little edgy for me, like in terms of what whether whether or not I was seeing was like appropriate or like responsible. But I bought it, and I should know better, Like I'm we're in the thick of writing the first couple of episodes of a show. It's hard. It's so hard, impossible, and like, so to forget it one or two, forget it, I mean, not trash. It's so hard. And then I watched other people shows.

I'm like, oh, it's ship in twenty seconds a shot. It's like, no show is good until episode four by Matt Rogers. Well, I'm on the fourth episode of our show, and it's I actually felt that we had the most difficult time like breaking that one, because that's when you really have to wrap up like what's essentially the first arc,

you know what I mean. So there's a lot of things that need to happen, if not the pilot anymore, right, right, right, it's not you're not just like having fun setting things up. It's like things have to start coming together yes to do. And so it's like, honestly, whenever i'm critical of a show now, it's like we were just saying, it's like, well, you know what it's like like to be in there, and it's like sometimes it's like it's like it's like

sitting in front of a math problems. Yeah, you know British bake offf when they're like, you've overworked the dough. That's every fucking pilot being pulled and re shaped for years. And it's sometimes and then it sucks always. Always, there's always always that feeling in SNL where it's like you've like it worked in the beginning, it played at table, it was great, and then you do rewrite on it.

You did more rewrites, and then producers give you notes because they mean well, and then by the end you're like, what the fund is this? Yeah, it's like it has like a vestigial tail. Yeah you know that. You know, it's like it's like it made sense at some point

and then it's gone through ten versions. Then you're back to basically the second version, but it has like a wing coming off its body and then it's so funny because it's like you were just saying, and we can relate it to this show because it's like it's like at ultimately, at the end of the day, it goes up in front of an audience and the plays where it doesn't like, we'll do the table reads. Like some of the jokes I felt like, like that I knew were going to kill I was just like, huh, really

that one didn't work. It's very hot, very humbling. Yes, so interesting because you know it's it's got to make people laugh. At the end of the day, we gotta start packing it with gays. Yeah, it's a little straight. I think that in our in our writer, in our table reads. Yeah, I think we need some gays in the audience. Come on. Yeah, you know there's a game in every department here or there, and then there's there's

there should be well we should bring all the goddamn assistance. Yeah, because you know there there, those are the game boys, and they're going to run this town in a few years. I think it's time. I think, okay, it might not be a minute long. Well, we're just gonna have to sit here and fucking stare at you and watch you drown for the for the time you don't feel just kid, it's I'm interested to see what will happen, because Gabe has the right mind for this kind of thing, can't

you say, I don't think? Yeah, absolutely, Okay, do you want a time? Remember you want me? Um, I want you to do it? Okay, okay, So this is gabe believings. I don't think so, honey, And as time starts now, I don't think so honey. Me working out anymore, I'm just not gonna do it anymore. I look the same. I look the same whether I work out or I don't work out, and I just don't think I have time for that anymore. From the second I was born to now where I am about to be thirty eight,

my body has always been a collection of circles. I'm the bunch of grapes from the fruit of the loom, from your shawls. And it's fine. And you know, there's just not enough time in the day. If it's not gonna fucking do anything for me anymore. I go to work, I smoke ween, I jerk off, and then it's tomorrow. You wait with the day. That's it. And I just don't think I want to put the time into that. Everyone has tips. You know what you should be lifting,

you should be doing hot yoga. Hey look I did it all and it look say one, Oh my god, that was perfect. You know which you know what the one that's killing me. You know, abs are made in the kitchen. I'm like, girl, hurt it. You know what? Abs are made on skinny people. And if you are fat and you work out, there's no point you look the same, I will say. Like, and also it's like you try to put yourself on like like Jared and I are supposed to be quote unquote on a diet

right now, I have little rules. No matter what the rules are, you'll fix it on it and be miserable. Yes, and then also you'll you'll eventually break them and be hard on yourself. And like I did whole thirty. It was great, it was fine, and then it was over and like maybe it worked and like something, you know, working out as good for your mental health, but it's like I just like I've been so mad at myself

since this room has started. I've worked out twice and it's been three months, and I'm just like beating myself up about it, and I'm just like, you know what, I'm busy, I'll work out again. I'm seeing myself. It literally looked exactly this. You have no reason to feel guilty about not working out. Yeah. Also another thing is like no one is looking at you as hard as you are. Yes, that's another thing. And it's like I do think that I love living here now. I really

love living here a lot. My life has gotten I think better. But it is hard the culture in l A. Yeah, it's hard at first because even if you like objectively look fine and everyone does like, it's like, like, again, no one's thinking about you. You kill yourself as a gay man in this In this l A, l A. I think that people in New York are just as hot,

if not hotter. It's just they're more naked here, and they're it's hard, yeah, and they're dressed down like people here are in their pj's at restaurants, and in New York it's like you have three layers to go to the bodega exactly, and so like you look great always always, yeah, because here you look like an asshole all the time, right right, Yeah, I'm I'm I'm posting stuff to the fence to where I'm like going to dark places with all this like fucking self images. It is hard. I'm

not really out there too. Is that change things for you? Yeah, because I'm noticing myself being like, yeah, I look weird there. I don't look like myself and I don't feel like myself. It's like, that's not the that's not the version of myself that I know to be that I picture in my head, which is a crazy thing to like match up against. Like when I see like myself, like truly wearing a crazy costume, I'm like, well, I don't look normal.

It's like, of course I don't look normal. Yeah, truly it's it's it's weird, but you feel you feel that when they put you on the cast, like something did change in you subconsciously or unconsciously where it was like it's it's truly a thing where like I did, like like because when Gab and I met a Golden Globes, Yeah, that was the first time. Maybe was the first time I was doing the whole day too. Yes, I remember this. Yeah,

I met in New York. We met in New York very briefly, but then that was like we talk and I was like, I'm doing yes, there's no a um and then uh but yes, okay, so yeah, and you were on the whole thirty and you were doing good. I was doing okay. I I fell off after like day twenty. I treat it and then but recently I'll like be eating a salad and then Sudi will be like, oh, he's on camera, and I'm like, oh, wait a minute, that's like not a result. It's not it's it's not

like a direct correlation to like this one thing. But now it feels like it's reinforced. Suddenly you have a lot of eyes on you in this way that's so different. Sure, but then it's like but it's like me eat a salad is not because I'm on camera, but like she's like reinforcing the idea that I'm on camera, so I should be watching. Let's call her. We're going to call her right now. No, no, no, but it makes it makes sense. It makes total sense, and son't I'm just

noticing that. It's it's the thing that I am. I am having a hard time talking about therapy as as yeah, I would have wh which it never happens. I'm always like, yeah, let's talk about let's talk about everything. And this is a weird thing where I'm like I have not thought

about this enough and that scares me. I feel like my thing is like I'm I'm trying to be on camera, like I'm still auditioning every now and then, and it's like that, I think is the thing where it's like I wonder if I booked a show, if I would feel like a little bit more relaxed about it or put more pressure on myself because I know, like right now like attempting to be on camera and going in and auditioning and like wanting to look good for the cast.

Intrectors are wanting to look good on camera, which is a whole fucking other thing. Like you could look in the mirror and think actually, yeah, and then you see yourself on camera and you're like, oh my god, that's bad and it's just like so miserable. And but like I think that right now because I'm like trying to

be on camera desperately. I'm like looking in and right now my thing with myself is like I'm killing myself because like there's like a little red spots around my eyes used to be there, and no one and it's crazy cuckoo loo. Yeah, and it's just like but it's

that thing. It's like when you're around the entertainment industry, when you're around you know, uh, I think gay men who like make that a priority, which is great if you do, it's like hard, it's like it's a lot to keep up with at the top of mind constantly. I think because of what you're saying, specifically in this city, because there's always the possibility of being like sons out, guns out, and it's like it makes you say grew. It really does makes you say grew. This is not

totally related, but somewhat related. Have we talked about this Instagram face article in The New Yorker but wrote it's about I looked for her book the other day in the store and they said they were all sold out. You have to drift me or I'm going to read it. Have you read it? It's great? No, but I bought it. I'm one of those. Yeah you have the book. Uh, you and we love and there's a joking games album. He's like, don't like books, don't like literally literally sister life.

But this is She wrote this article in New Yorker about um, the concept of Instagram face, which is like the Kim Kardashian like everyone but like with face tune

paired with Instagram. It's like everyone's trying to basically like achieve that but now but then it's like kind of like expands out into like the sort of like cosmetics cosmetic procedure world where it's people are getting fillers and it's and then getting there whatever's like done, and it's we're teetering on the edge of this thing now where it's like getting your jawline like saw down is like the equivalent to like a spa day. It's self care.

It's like it's self care now to get fillers. You're basically there. It's becoming it's becoming a thing where it's like that is like normalized and again, do whatever you want if you want to do it, but it's like it's becoming normalized. Like it's like, oh, yeah, I went

to the tanning booths. Yes, that's what it is. And like one of the last lines and the last paragraphs in this article is, um, she's talking to this doctor with one of the one of the one of the surgeons or whatever, and he like it's making all these great points throughout the interview, and then he just ends it with you know when you get like the perfect haircut and you look in the mirror and you go, this is like the best version of myself. That's what

all these procedures are like times a thousand. It's like you like, look, you look at yourself and you're like, this is who this is what I meant to look like. I don't even know what. I don't know what that don't have that you have recent least, Yeah, I mean I do think I look like, yeah, I'm five three, have gorgeous blond hair. Highly get you an orange wig, yeah, a strong jaw, very drunk jim Yeah, and a square face and maybe an underby but it works on her.

But one of the most beautiful women, one of those beaut Yeah, we were we saw a picture of Ariel from Little Mermaid before. I was like, and and bowen, I was very stoned earlier this week and we're like we were like Arrow had come up and then I was like, God, Ariel's so beautiful, and I said, well, it's just one of the most beautiful women in the world. You know. The thing about Ariel is she's when you look at all the women in the world. She's among

the most gorgeous in the world. Yeah, she's up there with you know, Christie Brinkley. Yes, it goes Christie Brinkley, Ariel Windy Houston, Fergie Um, Tamara Um all real housewives and Gemma Chan and Gemma Cham you know gay But Gabe laughing is all of us right now. Yeah, him laughing is actually all of us right now right not to blast it into the micah ask. Maybe maybe the title of that is, oh my god, you're all of us right we have? We invented by Matt, invented by Matt.

Important to say. I feel that one thing we forgot to mention is your podcast called I'm Afraid That on Little Everywhere with yourself and Daniels Omparelli, Daniels OPPRELLI my husband and Um Daniel mostly I guess host with him. Um interviews people about their weirdest, most interesting fears and so sometimes they're common ones like flying, but sometimes they're so bizarre. Specific. We had Megan am Ram and she's afraid of her own veins. Like it's it's like very

interesting and we've got amazing guests. If you want to binge at Jordan's Peel Jenny Slade um really great people. Aliza talks about her leg so yeah, check it out. Spheres is like getting yeah, I mean she's afraid it's gonna happen in or just another trauma like god. Um, so it's really an interesting topic. So we talk to people and then um, he'll talk to you like an expert. Also, so it's he's not a psychologist or anything. So it's just sort of to round it out, and it's it's

really interesting. You know, that sounds very very cool and actually like it's very interesting to find out how people

can take steps to get over their affairs. For example, did you know maybe you do because this podcast is in your orbit, but people who are afraid of flying, one way to get over a fear of flying that works is to join a program where you book a flight every day and you get the notifications like you should be getting on the plane now, and so you know, this is when you get on the plane, the plane is now, the closed doors are closing, you're in the air,

this is where you are now, you're plane landed. So essentially, like every single day you take a flight quote unquote to to show you that a plane is never going to crash. Like, so it's basically you experience the routine of of actually like the duration of being on the plane without doing it, and that reinforces to you that

it's like every plane lands, which is pretty cool. Yeah my way of getting over Yeah, yeah, that makes total since I'm like, my way of getting over any like fear I have, Wilifly is like, oh, there's truly a billion planes in the sky every day, but exactly somehow that freaks me out even more crash into another. It's all just software. It's crazy. Literally, how does it's not

breaking bad? Like yeah, fully fully full. At the end of every conversation with myself where I'm like, there's billions of planes in the air, it's safer to be up here than it is even walking around on the air, I'm like, it's still a hungry metal in this. Yes, we're not. We don't belong there. We don't belong. It's not magic, it's not it's actually not geniuses either. They're

actually just like you and I, flesh and blood. One of these planes just had a weird software that made it nos dive everyone just like That's what I mean by I'm not saying that pilots and gus. It's technology. Someone thought, you know, it's like it's code and it's people taking guess here. I hope no one's listening to this on a plane, truly. Wow, Oh my god. Anyway, sorry bitch, s Hang. I hope you texted everyone you

loved that. Um what what an happen? And you must come back when the show Yea, I love you guys. Oh my god, we love you and we wanted to have loved you. I'm so happy you're doing in l A. Yeah. Well, the thing is like we was like when we found it going to be on different coasts, Like we were like,

we gotta keep yea. And honestly, I'm ad at all the listeners that they thought we were going to cancel it because they didn't believe we would never ess actually meaningful when you'd make the decision to believe podcasts, thank you. I believe it was Constant who said that I believe podcasts, believe podcasters. Um. Now we end every episode with the

song um wait, but do we say everything? Oh? Okay follow out Glio bliedman, Um okay, listen to I'm afraid that Yes, Uh watch every show, every good show that's been that's watch PEN fifteen. That's good, and there is a lot more PEN fifteen coming. When is the second season? We'll be back. It's coming back, okay, So we're more than halfway done shooting it coming out in two bursts, UM, there's there. Honestly, over the next year, there's like fifteen episodes to come out in a burst of seven ups.

And did you work on the show? Yes? I did, I were. I just was a writer in the room. They took over show running UM and they got a new sort of like writing ep right. UM has a lot of experience and a couple of more writers. They basically got money UM a writer's room because it used to just be the three of them and me and this are wonderful. UM writer's assistant Jessica Watson, who you know, absolute genius and has gone on to staff on sex great shows herself Energy. Are you going? Are you on

set for shooting now? I mean I went and visited while they were shooting. Yeah, and they shoot at a real school, so sometimes they do weekend shoot. So I went for a weekend shoot. It was one of my episodes. But they're continuing to shoot for several months now, but there are fourteen normal episodes and like, I don't know if I should say this, but like kind of like special I love them and it's really good. Really it truly startling, startlingly funny, like it strikes you like and

Sam are absolute genius. It's because it's so it's so brand new, brand new, and um, okay, you're truly one of the hardest working people and just rocks. Give him more money, everyone give it to him, say yeah, honestly, like, please shut this dog up. But the dog has a lot of feelings and thoughts. Actually game needs to perform at least two more DNA tests. Yeah on this, I believe she's a boxing right exactly. And it's actually meaningful, um to make the choice to believe dogs when they

say what they are. Constance said that. Um. And so speaking of um, Constance, Constance woo, which is a musical noise. Um. We do end every episode with a song take it away, Bowen, what songe really listening to? Earlier? Oh? I should have started no, no, you got you. You can't remember this spot everyone, I thought you were going to do Russian Roulette. Don't know chard about that. Well, okay, Doug, we're gonna cut around this. No, we're gonna No, we're not. Everything

stays in. We're raw. Pull it up, put up, it up, fall out, pull up, that's it up, ball out. We don't see its side. Let's see us dot of side. Oh shut up. Sorry, fine,