“Stunning Icon 2 Whore Ugly” (w/ George Civeris & Sam Taggart)

that we all just had together now. But see, no, here's the thing. I stopped my recording and I Bowen, Oh that we got We got to restart now, No, just no, we don't. Let's restart. Okay, Anna has the recording. We don't have to start. Okay, Um, we're gonna play this converse, this little bit of this, this little beat of conversation. Now, Hi, does George have a pop filter? I don't. I'm sorry, Okay, great, you might want to

move just slightly back from it. I can it's get yeah, there you go, thank you, push them push the mic forward to Okay, is this better? Slightly? It's hard to tell until you get going, but it'll thank you. I was actually very passive, aggressively sent to pop filter. Um didn't know it was coming, and all of a sudden it arrived and I realized what that what was being said about me behind my back was that I needed

a pop filter. This industry is so cruel. It's very cruel, and there's a lot of you know, straight men that we work with sending gay men pop filters. And it's a micro aggression. It says, it says, be silent, It says you know what I mean. It says, don't pop you know. Yeah, it says, oh, try saying an s yeah, it's saying your lisp is in the way, sounds a little. It says, you know, it says, you know what your ps and bees, which is a little coded, are popping.

And I said, you jam right, my p's and b's pop. I'll save it for the pod. This is gold my And they see me after school, Oh wow, oh my god, little Mama. For some reason, that track was always too loud on my iTunes and when it came on, it would just like be like them mixing already. There's something revolutionary, Okay, So that was our conversation. That was our amazing conversation with our guests. This is historic, Yeah, this is fun though I like that we haven't done this before. Yeah.

And it's also like I thought that what we were talking about was so interesting, which was the song Little Mama and everl Levine you mean girl for the Girlfriend remix? Yeah, that's what. But I also think that it's it's fun to say it's the song. What a moment in culture little Mama. I mean, things just really stopped with her when she like stormed the stage at the vm as that one you remember, Yeah, well they stopped nine. That was like, I think the last moment where it was

permissible to be a little Mama in public. Um. But before that, never forget where she when she was like, um, you always ceased to have you amaze me? Yeah, you all you guys are so amazing. You always ceased to amaze me. You always ceased to amaze me, which is truly iconic American's Expect Dance Crew Little Mama is the judge. Yes, you know, I think I think she was really important to the culture we were all talking about. As you just heard how the song Little Mama Novre Levine is

the mix on it is insane. Oh no, I'm sorry. On lip glosses insane, glass is amazing. And you know what, Actually, Little Mama is a moment of a culture and she didn't make the list. We may have to do another list. We may have to do another list, Matt. I, well, first I want to check in with you. How are you dealing with fame? How am I dealing with fames? Uh? It's it's been a lot. You know, I'm very famous now and O that hot Dog is out. I'm famous.

I'm in the A list. Blake Lively is texting me, which is my first That's exactly the first place my brain went, Okay, you're famous. What happens to you? Blake Lively texts, um No, it's I'm super excited about the show being out. I think it looks really cute. I think it's so wonderful. It's so great. I'm so you like it. I love it so much. It's made me so happy. I've rewatched the episodes. Thank you for doing that. I I love the sort of um Trojan horsing of

Grue into the show. Did you notice that I was very myself on the show? Yes, and we love that, and you say that in a way that is well, can I say something that's weird? M okay, So I've really never seen like myself in like a long form on screen, like being myself, and so watching myself it was sort of like meeting a stranger that I knew. Does that make sense? It's like I don't know that person at all, and I wonder if I encountered that person, what I would feel like and what I would or do. Um,

but I I understand that that is me. It's weird to see yourself on You're being played, You're literally being played back like a condensed edited version of yourself, and you're like, oh, this is me. Yeah, and that's you know, something that you've been dealing with for some time. Although often often times when you're on screen you're wearing sort of a fun wig or you know, like a Saturday Night Live style costume. Yes, yes, and yet I still think that's not me. Yeah, well, I have to performance.

That's true, That's very true. You you get me, and you've got me good. You know you have for you literally, Jester, you have done it again and again and again, and every time you're doing amazing sketch. You're doing it again, just Jester. I don't. I don't anticipate being in these shows whatsoever. Why do you say this? Why you feel

this way? I feel this way because it's you know, there's it's gonna be a shorter show, and uh, there's just there's just not as much real estate, and there's more and there's more, and it's the biggest cast we've ever had in the history of the show. And there's four people on the gast four hundred nine. At that point, I think they just put they just just have fo you know what I mean? No, I learned like its the prime number. Okay, that a lot of sense. It

might be twenty twenty. This is one of our most beautiful traditions on the show is where we have a little four top going don't love a four top, love a square m love a sort of you know quadrant. Yeah, exactly, Sex in the city. And that's exactly what I was thinking, this is sex in the city, especially when I looked at one of the people that we have on the show, because famously, you know this person who we are not saying their name because they're the guests, and then we

haven't revealed the guests. But one of them used to do sex in the City live stagings with you, Owen. That's right, and we've talked about this every time he's been on the show. Yes, but but you know, you know, sometimes like some people, new people are tuning in, you have to tell them history. That's right. History, History has its eyes on us. And I am just so happy that these these two boys are here. There's some of my well they have they host my favorite pot, they

host my favorite podcast. You know, there's been a Nympho Wars sized vacuum hole in the podcast space, and I think their big hole. They're they're they're not really meaning that occasion, but it's it's sort of cerebral on the same level as Nympho Wars was. And some on some level, wouldn't you say, no, no, okay, no, I don't think they're as smart as them. Okay, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't. I actually don't tune in for the intelligence.

I tune in for the left. I tuned in for the last These these two boys are very smart, very funny. I think above all else, I would say, above all else, Number one, they are funny. It's number one. Second, as they are white. Third is they're gay. Yes, is that they are so cute, so cute, so cute. And you and I throughout the years have discussed with each other our crushes on the boys. Oh my god, that's right.

We have little tarted, little tickles lit little tickles. Sam is and he's wearing this Neon chromatic A shirt that I just noticed. And he is he really is. He's doing he's doing that. He's doing the cut it out motion with us with his hands. But we're not gonna. We're not gonna. We felt little tickles sometimes when it comes to these boys, and actually it's a front runner for title of that little tickles, Little tickles sometimes, little tickles sometimes. Okay, So I think at this point we

bring them in. They host the wonderful podcast Stradio Lab Welcome into Your Ears. George Severs, Oh my god, goodnight. Okay, I have to say something, and I said, I brought this up to Matt the other day. We've we've Matt. I think he's made this comparison. He goes, um. I think he mets like, oh, I'm the Sam and you're the George. And I was like, I actually think it's flipped where I'm the salmon, Matt's the George, because Matt and George both um lead the conversation and what are

you doing right now? You're fired? But I just think Sam and I are like, really, we're kind of like the steady sort of rocks in the in the duo, and we're sort of like, yeah, okay, that's that's interesting. And then George and Matt are the ones popping off kind of connecting all the dots together doing all of that interesting. I mean, what do you what do you think? I mean, it's definitely a contrarian theory, but not one that I disagree with. I I see the connection there.

You think you're more down to earth than I am. It's down to earth like just like like you know, what's just exactly exactly the conversation? No, no, no, you see what happened right there, Sam half he got halfway through a thought and didn't know the rest of the words, which is me culture and for nothing. Everyone. One thing is that in every podcast, du oh, there's one that knows plays and knows books and one that doesn't know plays and books. And Sam and I samoks, you don't

know books? Sam no, Sam knows abouts, Sam does know about. That's ridiculous to say I publicly read Sam is it was an English major majored in Sam. Oh my god, I didn't even read a book until you know, I was in my twenties. That's that's false advertising. I'm self taught and I and I brought in this very like terrible conversational frame. It's not true. There's no like, you know, perfect alignment with this. But I'm just saying, like, isn't it fun to think of each of the four of

us is very multitude in as people. Yeah, it's so fun to think about that. But I mean, I don't think that's the truth. I don't know that we have that much. The first thing they told us when they we we've talked about this on the podcast, but we were part of a podcasting reality show and then we won, and then we are in contract to produce four episodes

of the podcast. Paula Abdual chose us, and one thing they said is if you contain multitudes, you have to pick one and one person has to have one multitude and the other person has to have the other, and they need to be complimentary exactly exactly which is such a helpful note. I feel like we've grown so much, I mean not too much because we don't want to gain more. So they said grow, uh, you know, a pre specified amount, and after each episode they tell us

that too much growth or not enough growth. Yeah. I guess one question that I have right away, just to start off the podcast is does paul us give you guys what's on every episode? Um? I think in this universe that we've created, she does give us notes. She emails us every single episode be released. Well, she emails Sam because he's more he words, but then she sends me a video of of her dancing the interpreting. It's like she's doing a dance performance that conveys what her

critiques are. She's producing UM both Hillary Clinton and Bethany Frankel's new podcasts. Wow, those are I think we're going to be really similar. Actually, do you know what I

was trying? I was looking at I don't know why I was looking at the podcast um rankings, which are so depressing because it's totally like you know, uh, Megan Kelly and I saw that the two high profile podcasts that are about drepremiere are Bethany and Hillary and I thought I wanted to make some kind of joke that was like, whoever wins, that means the election will go one way. And then I was like, wait, which way

would that mean? Which one of them is? Yeah, that's interesting if you were to pull people, do you like Beth and your Hillary better? Which one of them is Trump and which one is Biden. I think it is sort of an Alien versus Predator situation where it's no matter who wins, we lose. Yes, Yeah, And that's that's actually really important to say, and never forget that in the movie Alien Versus Predator, Kelly Rowland gets murdered after

she calls um uh Freddy Krueger a faggot. So I would just say it is I don't know if it's I'm not allowed to that really did happen. I'm not allowed to coin a rule of culture, but I do want to say, just for this year, I would say a rule of culture is, no matter who wins, we lose Alien Versus Predator. I think it's rule culture number seventy one this year, no matter matter ruins, we lose. That is a tough rule of culture, but you know, I think it's I can get some catchy, tough but catchy.

It's it's it's officially in. It's officially and I mean once once we say it in unison, it's in. It's sealed. Darling. Who was that young girl it was? You know who? It was Martha. It was not Martha mll it was. It was like, we will never change the constitution because almost like that's what an amendment is to absolute graze. Oh, I'm so tired of it. I hate it dumb. And then someone smart is like, that's actually dumb. It's like, yeah, that's like their thing, Like now I know that that

person said a dumb thing. You know, I don't care they're dumb, they've been dumb. Who's dumb? It's like, who's more dumb, the person saying dumb things or the person whose entire identity is pointing out that things are dumb. Oh my god, both absolutely both hashtag both both, I say hashtag after I think it'll catch on. Yeah, that sounds really smart, innovative. Wait, we're all such sisters, we really are. On our podcast, I mentioned I said something and I said, oh, and then my sisters did this.

And then Sam was clearly so confused and said you know, I think I'm so used to the new meaning of sisters that I think sisters should be called brothers, because when I hear sisters, I think gay guys that I'm friends with, that you know, I'm on a text thread with perhaps, like my sisters are not gay guys, they're straight women, know, And and it's really I mean, yeah, you really don't know. That's the term is so non specific at this point. It's like aloha. It's like, shouldn't

even be using it for anybody anymore? Does that make sense? Well, we've dreamed, We've sort of dreamed up something I think is better, which is Girl Brothers Girl Brothers Girl, which is a problematic movie from the late nineties right or from the you know, mid two thousands, or from like you know, it sounds like White Chicks era, Sorority Boys, Sorority boys, Yes, right right, it sounds like Sam's favorite movie.

I now pronounce you Chuck and Larry. Is that really? Yes, it's okay, It's not my favorite movie, but I do think it's hot, and I do want to watch them have sex with each other. Because you think Kevin James is Kevin James your number one who's your number one? Who's my number one? James Candelfini. I really believe that for you because you love a big old, big old,

big old there. I know it. Oh my god, I mean, when have you guys watched sopranos, Like when he holds a woman's head and his hands are like so big. I'm like, I'm I want to be that woman. You know what's he doing to her head, like holding her hair and it's like but his hands are gigantic on her little petite head. Oh it's romantic and sexual. Yeah, it's it's actually it's actually nature generally is has such

an energy. I was recently watching well we were talking about how Lucy lu was in God of Carnage and got terrible reviews, and so then that led me down a path of because James Gandelfonie was it was in the original Broadway cast of God of Carnage. It let me down a path of watching public TV interviews with the original cast and sorry, mar Marcia Gay Hope, David Jef Daniels, good casts and um and and James Gandelfini and everyone else you know is trying Marcia, especially God

bless her. It's she's trying so hard to make very kind of intricate points, and then James Gandelfinie Will just with a grunt, say so much more. I mean, he lee was that was the loss? That was sad? Yeah. I actually watched them over when I was visiting my mom. I watched enough, said I was just going to ask, how was that? Oh, it's great. I had already seen it, and it was just as good the second time. It's sad, right, I haven't seen it. It's like I would say, it's

a bitter sweet. I mean, it's like one of those romantic comedies that has a non traditional narrative, but I mean it is ultimately a romantic comedy, and like, I think it has a lot of heart. I think it's one of Nicole Now We're mad, We're We're mad. Traditional narratives only, Queen. I'm sorry, but if you're making a romantic comedy, a k A rom com, you keep it traditional. Break Jennifer Ranston and Vince von found dead in a ditch, absolutely dead. If a movie isn't Runaway Bride, I don't

want to watch it. It's really good to rumber one D and two. If a movie is run Away Bride The Breakup starring Jennifer Anison and Vince Vaughn when I was very young, probably you know, to um, I remember thinking this is so radical because like in spoiler in the last scene there, they no longer are together and they, I think, like see each other on the street. And I was like, this is groundbreaking that this movie ended like this. Well, they truly break up. Yes, exact, they

didn't call it the Breakup for nothing. I mean, no, girl, they called it that because the movie, um sort of depicted a breakup between Vince Vaughn and Jennifer Aniston. And actually I also recently watched this movie. I don't know why, but it was on and I think it was on after Our Housewives actually, and it takes them a long time to like get into the movie the Breakup. I mean, I truly haven't watched it since I was like four, you know, thirteen, fourteen, But um, I remember, you know

when you're like first like realizing you're game. I mean, this is the premise of this podcast. First realizing not not just that I like good things. It's like when you watched The Hours and you're like, oh my fucking god, that I had a moment like that with the breakup, where I was like, this is sophisticated. Well, I think that's the sweetest spot when you can watch like absolute

trash and think it's smart. Like I remember watching Final Destination and being like, oh my god, this movie is so smart and so edgy, and this movie is like a book. This movie is literature. I literally I went, I went into my ap comp class and called the show lost literature. Well that was the age. That was the age like tenth and eleventh grade. You were looking at everything in terms of like symbolism, and everything was complex every Like I was watching grades and out of

me being like, oh my god. In the pilot, this for shadows that I was just like I was thinking, like the most that was me with Desperate Housewives, Oh my god, oh my god. Every every episode titles a Sodheim song. It's like, yeah, like it was so easy to like lay layer on meeting onto that show to trick kids into thinking one where she where like Laurie Metcalf is like in the supermarket, do you know what would you mean? The episode Bang Bang, the iconic episode Bang,

a masterpiece of story. Metcalf holds up a grocery store. Yeah, Kirston Warren. Sorry, she kills Kirston Warren. Which is the name of the actress that plays the woman who dies in then? Yes? Correct? Also, you know Dana Delaney Delaney was not in Deaths No one can say she wasn't. No, she was in it multiple times. And you know how her character left the show sudden lesbianism. Well that can be for her. Check it was. I do also remember when they were I remember also when one season ended

with just a fire that burned the entire Wisteria Lane. Okay, ready, what is everyone's favorite disaster episode of a shitty soap quote unquote shitty soap show to remind you to go Sam the Gray's Anatomy episode where there's the bomb in the guy in the guy's heart or something cold black? Yes, yeah, Christina Richie comes in holding a bomb in someone's chest and this is the super Bowl episode. Isn't that right?

This is the super Bowl episode? Um? It was? Um. I think it was the highest rated Grays Anatomy episode ever and I think I I watched it again the other the other week, and I think it is great television. I think it's really well written. It's it's it's really good. I mean, this is not a disaster, but my instinct was to say the Gray's Anatomy episode where they where the poll is going through two different people and ye of them like a train. Season two. Wait, Matt, do

you really remember all these like the titles. I do remember the End of the World as we know It as a title. Yes, that that was a good black episode two parter It's the End of the World, ye as we know it as they know it? You guys, But I stopped watching Grays after I guess season four. It must have been. I think I made it through season six. The episode that really upset me was the shooting episode. Shooting episode that was that was that was

really intense. Well, they graphically killed many characters that were serious regulars out of nowhere, and I think more I think they know they didn't They din'till there was a shooting in the Seattle Grays hospital. Yes, that's too much. I don't like that. I think the season before there was a plane crash that most of them were on. That's how Lexi dies and Mark Sloan basically, the White crashes after the shooting. Unfortunately, after the shot is after

the shooting. Yeah, I think that my favorite insane moment on one of those shows had to be the tornado on with Steria Lane. Yeah, you're right, You're right. You had Roger Sterling getting paled by a picket fence. Conveniently, John Slattery was Evil Longoria's husband on the show, and he was like blackmailing her or something, or like she was gonna go to jail or something because of something he was doing. And he took a white picket fence

through the chest. Come on symbolism, So, Barbara will kill you so much. He's done a lot. He's done very very very good things, and I think consistently good and very very bad things. Like I was about to say that, but I don't think he has no memorable little guest roles or recurring guest roles, and a lot of good stuff. Yes, like him as the politician in thirty Rock or yeah, was that thirty Rock. He's like the like the blue collar he wears the diaper, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

he's in a lot of good stuff. I would let him gnaw on me, Oh I would, yes, I preemptively, I would just commit suicide. Yeah, yeah, would you let him murder you in any form, or I would let him um partickle you little little tickles. I would like shoot a shoot a little like crossbow and have the arrow graze my shoulder. So I let him shoot a crossbow and shot on my face. No thanks, no thanks,

poop all the time? Goodness, honey, Are you guys using these like like like these like crotch deodorants and like ball Toner stuff? No, no, no, no, no, we're I mean, well, first of all, we should say that we've been sent some stuff. And there's there's an ad that will probably get too later on this right now. I actually I'm wearing some right now. Whenever my balls are stinky as hell, I use ball Towner we I but I bought separately, went to Pure for men and bought like the fiber pills,

which do not work on me. Wait us that three? Wait? You know who swears? I don't know. My whole is like my I'm like clean all the time, clean as a whistle, feels like I mean, I think, is that you're supposed to take one giant Is it that you're supposed to take one gigantic shit every day? And that's its God, it's supposed to be one to share this about myself. I take one ship every morning and that's it.

That's it I'm taking. I'm taking four day total, right, yes, and I'm taking one big ship in the morning, and then I'm taking like three cauldron ones later on the day. Did you just start I've had it for like a month now, Okay, Yeah, I had weird I had a weird thing with UM. I started prep and then that was too much for me and I and I did anyone here when they started prep get a little sick

in the beginning, That's what I'm saying. I did. I did, But then I was also like going through a separate, minor and non non important surgery, so I was like, I can't be also sick and doing something else. So I just stopped. Mmm. I forgot what I was gonna say, but um, generally I was gonna say that I tried

pure for men. I'm still taking it, but I was taking really a month and it was kind of working, and then I stopped deeply constipated, and then I yeah, and then I started again, and I'm like still on that journey of trying to like regulate again. And it's not like working perfectly. I took it for a full calendar year with no bottoming in my life, just as a fiber supplement. I mean, is this fun to hear about?

That's always what I wonder when we talk about Oh no, they love it, they love it, and I really like, I actually kind of want to say right now that, but when have you used your ball stuff that they sent you? I have, I'm willing to use it right now. OK, right now, I kind of want to like try it out now live, I'm gonna get my stuff, keep talking having butt sex and stuff. So this is this It is just like ball ball cologne. Explain. So it is a spray. It's not like a I don't know, a

powder or a bomb or something. It's a spray. And then there's um like basically a cream, a lotion that's just safe for your it's screwed him safe, I guess. I don't know what about your skin down there? Would? I mean, it's it's it's it's it's less or more perfumed. I don't know. Okay, So Matt has the bottle. MAT's back with the bottle and he sprang it. So what we have here is we have bald deodorant, and we

have bal Toner refreshing ball Toner. Matt. I have to say, there are so many of your listeners are currently drunking it to you explaining this process. George is right, I'm taking I'm taking my pants off. You can't see it. Okay, Oh my god, this is history and that's straight right here. So what do I use first? The toner or the deodorant. Deodorant is more of like a like a moisturizer that you can just like rub. Okay, so got I gotta

got it. So this is this is like I can't believe this is happening, Like this is this is very like Howard Stern. This is Yeah, it's very Howard Stern. What is the machine on Howard Stern? That all that? Like, what do you have like a fart gunner? Like the sex you know, there's like a sex machine. Yeah, we need to do something like really messed up. I'm gonna I'm putting it in my hand. How much use I can't confirm he's using it. Oh my god, I'm a little I'm a little incredulous. I'm rubbing it on my

This is like, I mean, it's this is weird. Been a while since I've been on this podcast, and I don't really know what we I thought Sam and I were going to come in and kind of like bring a kookie, fun energy and like to slept things. But I did not expect to be the conservative one. No, I'm like, I'm like, everyone stopped. This feels so great. I actually, you know, I'm gonna break character and say I don't you're making uncomfortable. Yeah, that's not breaking character

for you, prude ass. Oh my god, stop where this is all going? This is all escalating too quickly. Okay, everyone feels prude. This unbelievable. It feels amazing. You know he's just doing the you're just this issing. Okay, wait, here's what you guys, love my balls. Every single one of you thought about picked in every way what I said.

As much as this product seems perfect in every way, and I would love it if you sent me some so I can also try it in the privacy of my own home, I still happen to think this is inappropriate for the podcast. Here's what I will say. I am anti deodorant in general, and the thing we need is more deodorant. I don't need to be deodorizing other parts of my body. I can't even deorize what I have, and I don't want to. Why are you? Why are you this? Because because I think it's fine, Like it

doesn't smell that bad, it's fine. I'm gonna use the toner. This is an area where I disagree with Sam, because I if I don't wear deodorant, I smell so bad within truly like thirty minutes. But it's it's Sam is like making this sort of rule that's not a rule, but say as being like I'm anti deodora because I like it when people smell bad, but it feels very sort of like it goes against respect, like sort of yes exactly, but yeah, but like I don't know that bad.

I just want them to smell like plain, Like I don't like a lot of like sense. I like a man that smells really good. But if you just put on if you put on an inoffensive like you know, Arman Hammer deodorant, you smell more plain than if you don't put anything on them and smell bad. That's true, That's that's true. Like I'm not wearing a deodorant. That's like you know, uh, you know, are I don't know. I can't think of a single sent as an example

if I'm being completely favored. When I'm like around, like you know, like professional things. I do wear deodorant because I don't want to be upsetting to people. But I don't really like when you're having sex with someone and like they're like down by your balls. I'll say it on this podcast if we're Howard's turning it like it's allowed to smell like has this dick out, and sometimes it should smell like balls because that smell is kind

of hot. I don't know if I see my thing is just like I love the smell of men, like I love the smell of like dick, like I I like it, but but but not nasty dick like like it shouldn't be is nasty. All dick is nasty, sweetie. All dick is nasty and is nothing to say. I agree that I like it, absolutely speechless. I don't even like dick that much, to be honestly, I'll get real controversially here, like I don't love sucking dick. You've always said this, I love always. I heard Matt say he's

not a huge fan of dick. Well, that's what I say every day when when I instead of hello in the game show writer's room, I say, not a huge fan of Dick. Still yeah, Sam and I or Matt n use me, we're coworkers. And he did walk in every day and say, guys had some Dick last night. Still not a fan? No, I just I don't know. I I like asked and asked, Oh, sorry, sorry, you don't like Dick. I don't like sucking dick. Really not really one of the weirdest gay guys I've ever met.

I'm one of the weirdest gay guys. Wait, but you know who's gay? Bowen? Bowen loves Dick. Not really, I don't love I don't love sucking it either. I just want to say Sam and I both love Dick and alienating to the last culture, this community, so be it. I feel like this radio lab you're all being like like, oh, like I love like, Oh I'm gay like Oh, but I'm not like suit like I don't love Dick like yes you do. It's so true. It's it's so true. It's my it's my true experience. Like I'm gay, I

like men sexually. Dick could take it to leave it like whenever I get like a cent to dick photo and was like, yeah, that's a dick. I'm never looking at a back to the ad, always trying to plug it. I do want to say that I'm really happy that I did use manscaped Revivor and toner um on my on my balls today. So did you use it on your balls? And you're shaft kind of like god everywhere? Okay, I see. I think it's pretty cool to sort of

decentralize like male sexuality from sex organs. Does that make sense? Absolutely? Like, That's that's why I'm like, That's why I'm like, I don't I'm not obsessed with dick. It depends on the dick. But I'm not someone who's like, I got I got I gotta have dick every time. You know, I'm not is um. Yeah, I'm down for just yeah, general male sexuality, but I'm not going to say I don't also like dick.

Oh baby girl. In my early twenties, when I was fratting my way around New York City, some of the best memories of my life, not just because it was easy, it was not painful. Nowadays, you know you're you hit, you get to your late twenties, you figure out sex all of a sudden. It's stuff in holes every single time. People gotta really figure it out. To be very still haven't figured it out? You haven't. I'm I'm I'm learning. I'm getting better every time I think. Yeah, I think so.

But this is the thing, is that the four of us, I'm going to bring another element into this conversation. Oh my god, Oh my god. I don't. I don't know if I ever want to have sex with someone under the age of seven. Yeah, I'm not necessarily Yeah, just in college, no insects, Yeah, I must they like have like a Gallatin like situation where their own major sex degree, sex degree. I just want to say, I actually believe the opposite to be. I do not want to have

sex with someone with a sex degree. Anyone who anyone who can anyone anyone who's like what, I just love sex and that's like your entire personality, or people who are like into the sex positivity movement, Like there was like when I was in college, there was like a sexual health Resource center where they just like gave you free condoms and then they wore like little buttons that said like p after sex and it was like some girl with blue hair and she was like comfortable. Yeah,

I don't like that. In fact, I actually think oftentimes that is a sign that you are so repressed that the only way you can deal with sex is by being like bet being like, um, get ready for me to say this word. Are you ready? Are you ready? And it's like, that's your whole George, you have no holds bart against like sex health workers. No, it needs no.

I love sex health workers. What I don't like is is girls with blue hair on college campuses who sell buttons that say, um, yeah, so what I'm a bottom? Yeah yeah, sure, sure, al right, everyone name I'm on my period and pregnant. But George, you know, to be fair, you are the prude in the room. So it's like, just feels a little biased coming from me. Let's let

me just let me say something about my prudis. I have my reputation for being prudies because I was in the same relationship for most of my twenties, so I kind of didn't explore as much as many of my friends during that time. But that does not mean I'm not, uh, you know, incredibly horny all the time. Indiana Jones in the bedroom, hon wearing a hat. Yes, running from big

old balls. Bring it back. What was this intervening period between these because I, let's just let's just sort of reveal if if that's okay, that you are currently in a relationship, and what was this intervening time between these two relationships? Like for you, were you a whore? No, that's the thing, and that is another It's like I was in this relationship then, No, okay, I was very like it was a difficult breakup kind of kept when he kind of kept hooking up for like you did.

Oh my god, I've been there. Yes, we did, and that was and it was It's difficult for me. I think I'm better about it now, but I think it was difficult for me to separate emotions for sex. And I think and and I and I honestly think that, like, I mean, it was very serendipitous that I started dating my current boyfriend when I did, because I would say, like, it's not like I was looking for a relationship. I was like, it was the first I would say it had been a few months of me being very comfortable

with being single. I had hooked up with a few people and but sometimes you meet someone and you really like them, and you and you say, and you say, you know what, I like this person? Um wait. Bowing to your point about not want to have sex with people before their twenty seven or something young people, I feel like I've always been like as you know, the James Gandolfini thing, I've had, like a daddy thing. I'm

always like Daddy's older men. Please please, But I'm worried, thank you, what happens when, like, when I am forty, is it gonna flip? Like I want to say, I obviously at this point in my life don't want to sex some people like under the age of thirty. But will that change when I'm like forty? Will I what's gonna happen? It's hard for me to extrapolate for myself, definitely,

but I want it. I'm generally going along the principle of I want to have sex with someone who is evenly matched with me when I feel like age is a big part of it in terms of experience. Yes, if I'm if I'm like fetishizing a young person when I'm forty, I'm fetishizing a twenty eight year old who's like mature for correct ye, So basically you you at forty,

you want to suck you. Now, I'm not into I'm first of all, I'm not or I will never be into like a nineteen year old like that will never be and you shouldn't be right and and yes it's true, I shouldn't be as someone who was nineteen and lost a virginity. Sorry year old, it's not great psychotic I think that should be. Well, it's like it's good, and then like it's loaded. I feel like it's like we're loaded discussion because you're like, people have different experiences, people

are different maturity levels. Sometimes you know, you know, people will be like, oh, anyway, it's psychotic or pop are like you know, if you're nineteen and you're dating someone who's twenty two that's grooming and you're like, well, you know not not not always, and but then sometimes you know, sometimes it can be and it's bad, you know what. Sexually, I'm really happy that at nineteen I first had sex with someone who was older and knew what they were doing.

Relationship wise, it's weird, like when a nineteen year old is dating someone who's thirty, Like there's just there's unless unless everyone is like radically checking in with each other. It's weird, But sexually, I was thrilled to have sexually someone that the idea that I would when I was eighteen, Like when I was in college, I only hooked up with other people that went to my college. I the idea that I would have sex with someone older who's like I very much sought out older, like when I

was twenty seven. But like when I was one, I was like hooking up with like a twenty eight year old and felt like that was enough of a jump. But I guess when it's like more, that's actually not that big of a jump. But it also is weird

at the time. It is because I think you do so much maturing between the ages of twenty two and twenty six, you know what I mean, Like that like those twenties are like such a such a c change in your life that yes, I get thinking, like I'm twenty one and missed year old is a lot older. I remember when I was twenty one, I was like, it's sort of like hooking up on and off with someone who was twenty seven, and I would consider him old and he would always remind me that he was young.

Well that's psychotic too. Yeah, yeah, well he's in jail now, well mine's in l as. It was no Jay Simpson miss him. Okay, let's take a quick break and did you buy back like George and Sam and we're back. Well, see this is funny because we don't do breaks on our podcast, you know, so when we unprofessionalson or you guys, do we even have sp We literally don't because we're like Rocket were independent d I y punk rock podcast. Bit I went on their podcast. They had me downloading

that Google cast or whatever the funk it was. What was that caster? Yeah, zend caster more like zenda No, it's actually real culture number fifty z caster more like what does that even mean? Matthew? Yeah, So basically you are saying, um, okay, we're gonna take a break right now. Okay, we're back from our break. I mean I was so jarred. I just want everyone to know that's what's happening. That's what's happening, and there's there's snow computersing it to make

it feel like there's a break. There was literally on a break. Let me tell you guys something. Here we go, here he goes. Me and match were a little glimpse space, be into your fucking future. Guess what we were, the scrappy little nobody's Anna Kendricks in the podcasting space too little gay boys. And now look at us, bitch, we're Julia Fox and Uncut Gems. What we are we are downtown it girls. And we don't need we don't need sponsors to make us right. It'll be past for our soul.

We podcast because we love the arts. We're gonna Julia. Let me tell you something. Steven Soderberg reached after and said, I love you and Uncut Gems we don't have and and and she's doing that movie. Now what movie that just gonna announced? I got got announced today, I got

annouced today. But I don't remember what it's called the words about, but it's got all these like be it's like these like I mean, everyone unfilmed, everyone who has a fucking letterbox account is coming their diapers to night. I don't think so, I don't think you. Thank you, thank you, thank you God. I'm so glad you can fucking agree for once. Oh my god, there was nothing worse than a self just like a self styled film person.

But then you have like but then like certain people on Letterbox are like, you know you got your Like Harry knts, you write these like thirty three paragraph reviews. It's like, as Harry kne the last person I met before Lockdown started, Wow, how march ty guys went to the spot? It was the last I mean, and you know now that I'm saying it, it's like it was

at a party. So maybe the order was such that I then met one more person after, but it was a party where I distinctly remember, like that one of the last people I spoke to was her, and I had never met her before, and it was like the last party I went to pre lockdown. Do you think she's sort of hopping around town going on interviews and being like, you know, the last person I met was actually George Severi's no. I think it had a much more profound effect on me than it had on her.

I'll say she would never talked about someone, but I have to say it was. It was, And this is how I know she's a star. Someone who actually is a famous podcaster. I won't say who didn't recomb her, No, but you're honestly not far off some way. I didn't know she was and and and said, oh something. You know, she was with me, so maybe he was like, oh, are you a commune or something? And then she says

the sentence I'm an actress. But it is the It was the best line reading I've ever seen anyone, just her, I'm an actress. I'm an actress. I'm an act Like, well, I'm an actress, and that there was so much there that was not that was in said. It was like a I'm an actress. B you are a fool for not knowing. Yeah, and see remember this, Yeah, should I start doing that? Should we all start doing that? I'm a podcaster like and I don't know. Well as it

means we stay it with conviction. Bowen, are you? Are you nice to strangers? Um? No, No, he's he's actually I think i've been with Bowen when he's been recognizing he's very nice. He's very nice. But when but when someone crosses a line, Bowen will give them. I'm very I'm very sensible and judicious about who I am rude to because it is like it takes it takes an effort for me to flip a switch and be like, I'm going to be rude to this person. Because they

deserve it, because they justifiably should. I should make them feel bad, like if you ever met Ramona Singer, like if I ever met Remona singer. Um, everyone tune in to watch what Happens live. I was a little awkward because there's a little bit of lag when they do it on on Skype now, but it was very fun. Um. I don't know if they cut it out. I called

Remota singer or White Supremacies in front of Andy Cohen. Okay, sorry, sorry, George, we're gonna say no. I I the last time, well one of the last times, when and I were together, we both both Boone and I don't no longer smoke cigarettes, but we really wanted one, and and Boone went and bought a pack, and someone approached him, you know, regardless of all of this, and and said hi and everything. And then as we were on our way out, he

gave the rest of the pack to that person. Oh but that's because I. That was self preserving, because I was like, I don't I shouldn't spoke. It was because you're generous, Matt. Now that you're a big HBO Max star, are you gonna be nice? Are you gonna be mean. Are you gonna be always nice? I'm always too nice? Does it get you in trouble? Uh m, I'll say this no, Okay, so there's no there's there's no excuse to not be very kind. Well, I'm no, I don't know no one ever, no one, no one going as

me ever. Also, like I also like I have no concept of you know what in New York sometimes in l A never because who cares? Well in l A people are less likely to say something I think, yeah, because true, I don't know, because if I'm if I'm there, then like probably like Kristen Bell is a foot away, well,

you're always a foot away from Kristin Bell. Well, Kristin and I are very close and so basically we're always going over ware together and so whenever, whenever I'm out, like people always like Kristen, oh my, got it to you. And she's always kind of like you're taking the front of that. But what I mean, what I mean is she always says, have you met Matt? She's so nice and um no, but apparently Angelina Jolie goes to my Gelson's.

It's a supermarket chain in Los Angeles. Yeah, but like that's what I mean, It's like there's like huge stars everywhere, like I know, like I don't know, I can't say that, but like literally, like Greta was just here. I was helping her with a self tape and she like was like, guess who my friend is on a date with right now, And she said the name of a huge celebrity, and I was like, that's insane that that can just happen. Someone I know was consistently fucking that's that's that's great,

that's hot. Love that I'll say that the person that's on the date with this kid right now that well, I mean, listen, that's I'm sorry to say a little little oh heth there. We were all there, that we were all there that night. Yeah, he rolled to this party with these little twenty three year old twins. And if he were on this podcast, he would not be saying I'm never gonna have sex with someone under seven. He'd be saying, I'm cly hooking up with twenty three

year old twinks. Yeah, if he was on here. If he was on here and then you guys said, you know, I don't want to have sex I went under twenty seven, there would be suddenly radio silence, and then it will be be ye. He would he would turn a little bit of a little bright shade of beat red and he would say. I would say, this is not a medium for him. No, no, but I mean I unlike George severies. Once Matt would put the ball deodorant on

his testicles, this person would be like, yes, please. Well, the reason that George reacted in the sort of adverse way that he did is because he secretly was very into it. He loves my balls that George. You have to tell me if that's true. I mean, listen, Matt and I have a history, okay, and George and I have a history. But well, well George and I have have an unsort of it. It's just our our paths never crossed. Well, no, I think it's the same with Matt.

I mean I think it was longer with Matt. It was one magical weekend when we were both in Canada and and we both told the same producer that we wanted to hook up with hook Year and then with Bowen. It was I had I had like a sustained crush.

Sustained Well, no, I don't listen. It was like you know what it was all revealed one night when we went to this party and then like we were both dunk enough that we were just like we were just like, oh yeah, like I had a crush on you, like when I first right, and then it was very it was we very quickly were like oh yeah, me too, like we're like, okay, that's fun. It felt very sad.

I mean, it was a long time ago. It was also just like it's it's weird to think about it now because it was I it was like when we first met and you were very charming and you still are, and it was you know, it was like during the time that I was going through that famous breakup. Mmm, but see, maybe you weren't really available. I would say that it is very true. I would actually she was not emotionally me not making I would say, me like

not doing anything about that crush. If I'm being generous with myself, was both about me and also like out of respect to you, because it would not I mean, I was not right, you know, it would not have been cute and thank you? What about Matt? What about with Matt? That was just like a magical weekend um

sort of like before before Sunrise kind of thing. But it was we met in the car on the way we're getting off the plane at JFL, and I immediately, immediately, you know, he was gay and I was gay too. I immediately knew I was gay, and I thought came out. That was like came out that weekend. It was a huge weekend for me. Um and no. But we both said to the one of the producers at JFL, like,

what's there, what's that person's deal? I do want to say I was very I mean, I wouldn't say very introverted, but I was kind of you know, this was I. You were much more shy then you than you were now. Yes, I was more shy. I hadn't moved to New York, get every the whole thing. It was my first big anything like literally before that. My comment, you know, the things I had done were like comedy festivals in you know, Austin, you know, like the going on that week and that

that that JFL weekend. There's always like a lot going on. Yes, there was a lot going on, and I was not. It never occurred to me that we could have hooked up. Well, you had a boyfriend, that's ride, and so did I. That's right. So was separate lives. Um, you know, I feel and I feel that you know, Bone is pretty public about his crush on Samuel. Oh, I mean, but we've this is this is again, this is like we talked about the broad gay as much as we talked

about my unrequited feelings for Sam. But these are this, this is years ago. But I don't want to say the one pair that doesn't have any history is Sam and that we never really went there. Well, but also Sam and George, well yeah, what is our podcast rather rather than a long long edging process. Well that's really hot horror. Oh my god, that would be so crazy if the finale of Stradio Lab was you guys telling each other that you were in out of We're aggressive

to each other the whole time. And then but Sam, why didn't you ever have a crush on me? Yes? Sam are type. Look, you're beautiful, you know that, But you're not my type. Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't call myself a Samuel type. See Sam, Sam is one of these people, and I respect it so much in a way, whereas with other people, I'm like, oh that person is

a type like that, their scope is so narrow. But with Sam, I'm like, it's such an it's such an aggressive stance on this is the only type of person I'm sexually attracted to, and anyone who does not check these boxes has no chances. Paid dust is paid dust. I think it's it's toxic and I wish it were not true. I think when like you meet like a straight guy who's like has a clear type, it's like, oh that is so bad. But I can't help it. And it's what I like. It's what it is. I

get it. I've got very specific boxes. I get it. I mean, this is this is what a lot of people who are into bears are like. I think it's such a specific it's one of the only healthy Um. You know, I'm not preferences one of the only healthy fetishes. Am I am? I the only one here who doesn't think I don't have a type. Wait, sorry, I want to take back that I said one of the only

healthy fetishes. All fetishes are healthy. I meant one of the only healthy, like you said, I think it's much I I feel much more safe with someone who says I like bears than with someone who's like, I like twins. It's like they feel like a hunter. I also tried when I was like young, I was like, I'm gonna try to date like like skinnies, because you say, like like bear men like people are I feel like my people.

A lot of people, my people, A lot of people early twenties, like I was, are like of slimmer build and not of like bearish build, and that comes very easily to a forty something. And like I was trying to date people who were like twenty three and like skinny, and it was like not clicking at all. It just like was not hot at all. I get it. No, no, no, don't worry. I know I'm not offended anymore. But it took until today. And Matt, look look at it this way.

You know you, in my eyes are twenty three and skinny. Thank you, that's huge. Thanks a k A disgusting trash uva. The square, the quadrant. We have not crossed swords. That's actually fine, and that's fine, and that's that's okay and that's healthy sometimes. Yeah, And I do think, you know, at this point it is too late I want to put out there. Let's just denormalize like gay men befriending guys they've hooked up with. Like, that's there, that's their

way of making friend. I'm like, I've I don't do that. I have to three people I've done that with. And I'm like, and this is a weird like blurring of the lines to me already, where some seem seemed to have this as like a recruitment tool for or there's like groups of gay friends and they're like, oh, honey, we've all hooked up with you know, everyone's hooked up with everyone, remember summer oh eight. I'm can I want to I have a real I have a real thought

about this though. Um I agree, it's like it doesn't need to be one way or the other. It's like friends or friends whatever. Um. I think that because when okay, this is kind of weird. My first friend that I ever made that was gay was also the person that I lost my virginity too. Therefore, I think that whenever I meet a gay person, it does go through the filter first of what do I feel for them sexually? And that's something that I have to like probably work

out there. But like it is, I think like that first gay relationship that you have and the intricacies of that will sort of well, I'll pose the question to the group. Do you feel that the first gay experience that you had, whether this is a friend or a lover or whatever, has dictated if you were to look back on your sort of gay friendship life, anything about it. Oh, my my ship is too dark, So I'm not gonna

I'm not gonna share. Um, I'm can wait say yes, well yeah, wait, what's what's the what's the what's the question? Question is? Is? Sorry? Go ahead, man, you probably can ask it better than me. Georgia a lot. No, no, no, and let me know if I understood it correctly. Has your first sexual experience influenced the way you probably any

new meeting, any new gay man. Um, And I would say for me, I don't think so, because my my first sexual experience was like freshman year of college with someone I felt it was like way more experienced than I was, but was my age. He was like one of these people that had like been I mean, and you know, this is his story to tell, but had been like hooking up with older people through high school in a way that in my mind, from my perspective,

seemed like he knew what he was doing. It did not seem like, you know, anything darker than that, But I mean, who am I to say? Um? But I felt like he was way more experienced but was very accepting of the fact that I wasn't and I didn't feel like inadequate in any way. Um, And in fact, that was probably one of the healthier It's like I had worse, way worse hookups like later in my life, but I think I was lucky that my first one

was was good. But I would say, to your point, Matt, like I less so feel am I attracted this person than the opposite? Like, and when I meet someone, I'm like, are they do they find me hideous? Like? Do they are? What do they feel towards me? Oh? I relate to that. Yeah, I feel like it's hard for me to Like, I think part of my thing was like trying to date people who like there was like a closet. I was driven by closeted nous and so I was like, Okay,

who does no one know? And like that kind of So I think I still it's hard for me to find friends attractive because like I'm like friends with them first, and that like the sexualizes it in a weird way, like not always is, but there's something about that if I were, if we're if we're doing fair on the pod, then and we and we are, there's something to that that guys are charging and you're out of new and well this is this is required for me and Bowen

because the podcast is becoming a therapy. So this is this actually was required training. No, actually, okay, I was gonna say, I'm in therapy and Matt is sort of dragging his heels in terms of going to therapy, which I think he should go to like everyone else, you should go. But don't you think I'm doing an amazing job on myself. Have you ever done therapy? No? I haven't. You know what, Matt, I am actually thinking of stopping therapy.

But but this is a point to therapy because I think it helped me so much in the year year to two two years that I've done it that I actually feel not to say that I'm fixed, but I actually think I'm okay now not having it for a period of time. Yeah, well, isn't that how it works? Well, it depends. I mean, there are people that you know consistently have isn't that a way it can work? I mean, I think that's the way to be honest, that was my goal with it. I because also it's a lot

of money. I don't want to do it exactly. Yeah, I have a low deductible sweetie, so I'm in it. Well, you know, actually Bowen Yang did actually give me an ultimatum one time. He was like I told him I was very upset with him while he was smoking cigarettes, and I said he has to stop, and he said, I'll stop when you go to therapy. And it sounds like, well, it's not really a one to one, but I it is now. It's yeah, physical health, mental health. Yeah, is

that what they said? Yes, these two Greek queens are informing yet horror um we are I know I want to go and honestly, can I ask you a question flat out and can you be honest to you? Bowen? Have you actually not been smoking cigarettes? Fallen off the wagon race? But when it? Because this is something I have been struggling with, Like it really is one of those things where you're like, oh my god, if I hadn't just like wanted to seem cool when I was sixteen.

It is the one thing where like I'm not if I ever meet young people, I will not be in any other way like like, there's no I'm not gonna if I ever meet young people, I'm not gonna say anything about like school or what you should do or sex or drug. But it's like, just don't start smoking. Yeah, that's the one thing because it it's just it's so I'm currently doing nic Gum. I might just I hate. I don't think the nicotine things didn't work on me. I might just go to like hypnotis at this point, Yeah,

over zoom do they work? I don't know. I think that that does work. And I think the n well, I think it worked for Pat like he was cigarettes. Literally that's actually he is real. Wow, we haven't had pad On in a fucking minute. Guy, we have to get her back. Um. I haven't checked in with her about her chewing um. But listen, whatever your vices, whatever your vices, I accept the three of you. Okay, okay, okay, okay, Um. It doesn't sound like you accept Bowen. No, I do.

I accept him greatly. It hurts. It hurts. Okay. Also, I'll say this, I don't care as much now that we're in COVID times and like that the world is insane and trumps and based taxes whatever, It's just like I kind of don't really care if people are, you know,

indulging the whatever. And if if Bone wants to smoke a cigarette to fucking feel more less stressed out, and I know that there's a lot going on if you wants to smoke a cigarette whatever, I'm not going to get on my fucking high horse and be like, don't smoke cigarettes because maybe it's making him feel better for a minute. I wish it wasn't the case, but I mean not good ultimately. No, you know that, and so you'll make your own decisions about it. But you know

how I feel. Sam, what we're gonna say, um, it has the mood has passed, Um, but bring that mood. Bring back the mood. You were gonna talk about bottoming. You want to talk about how good it feels to have a penis in your butt that's really hard and it hits your hits your prostate. You know what thisants to be? That hard? Jesus, come on, make it a little soft, make it go easy for mecid pick. I don't like it when it's too hard. That's a little ouchy.

George wants that penus very hard. I wanted to be hard. Listen, call me crazy, but I wanted to be erect Listen, George is a sex negative person that wants the dick hard. I chat it over this person that George has invented, which is a girl with blue hair, saying, absolutely you talking about I won you're talking about. I know, I know, I know. Her her name is Millie. Everyone knows what I'm talking about. Um, and she and tell you something else about And I know you are talking too much.

And now that I recognize that, it's no longer a problem. No no, no, no, no, no no no. I had a huge crush on someone. This was my maybe sophomore junior year, who was one of the people that worked at the Sexual Health Resource Center, and so in order to literally have anything to talk about with him, because he was not, you know, the most interesting person. He's

not a doctor. Um, I took this like one unit class us that they offered on like sexual health, even though I was I did not care at all, just to have something to talk about him. And this was a yearlong thing. And then it turns out he did not like me. So maybe that's where my sex negativity comes from. This girl with the blue hair that you have invented I think she if we're filling out this character a little, I also want to say she was

in the theater group, but not the main one. She was in like the ultimative theater group that like put on shows in like the cafeteria as opposed to the theater. Yes, yes, exactly, like like like unauthorized, unauthorized colon Bye bye Birdie, and it's like a little it's like bye bye Birdie. But they say like they call each other like sluts and stuff.

It's British and they call each other slags. The diffic thing with her is that she ultimately does not have any talents or interests, and so she's not She has landed on sex because it's something that's just provocative enough that it doesn't have to build on any other personality, you know, it's it's it's really about her father. Well sure, but so is like the theater, but she doesn't even have that. Theater is about her father. Yes, now I'm I'm I'm like, I'm feeling some I feel some empathy

towards this girl, even though she's not real. Because as we said, we all we do all know this. I have nothing but empathy Well, the thing about this girl is that she is the girl who we were friends with in high school. But in college there were people that we could actually be friends with. We weren't friends with her anymore. She was a good ally, She was a great allig school. She was one of the only people that like was pro gay in the year like

two thousand and six. She intrinsically knew you were literally had a friend like this, and her name was Nicky, and I remember he address. This is one thing I have to say about her. She was She was like my first friend who she told me that she was by and I allied and said that I was by. And this is truly like grade fifth grade. And I remember that her screen name nor her email was Gucci Nikki, like Gucci the brand, but it was spelled g o O c h y Nikki. I think that's like, I

think that's like knowing that it's time. It's a really queer way to spell Gucci. That's and I also want to say about this girl that is in We are now in college with her and distancing ourselves from her.

We are the villains in the in the story. We are yeah, we are bad because we get one ounce of like, well, actually I'm I know who I am now and we're out, like she was there by our sides when we were in need, and we immediately Yeah, we met one kind of cute gay guy named Tyler who was on his way out to a club, who had a fake I d for us, and we left Corey, Corey Nikki Millie in the dust. Okay, this is not quite This is just an analog, like a grown up analog in my own life only and no one else.

So maybe you guys don't relate. But recently I have unfollowed people who I worked at a day job with, like specifically like the like boogie white women who like didn't really care if I lived or died or only like sort of like caught went like only like was aware that I existed, like once I didn't work there anymore.

I feel like I feel like there's some like there's some analog to Corey here where I'm just like, oh, I don't you guys, like don't really like you guys aren't in my life anymore, and I don't need to see your trips to Maine and like I don't like that doesn't every trip to Maine is beautiful. Every every trip to Maine is beautiful. In these trying times, Maine is our only respite now more than ever. Maine Underdog.

Title of app Underdog, that's that's not very often that you do you like something enough to be title of that, but not not quite enough to like make it so well well, people don't know what the readers don't know what home was. Whenever I say title of we then have our producers, our team, they go and they check, try to clear the title, and so it doesn't always. So it's fun. It's it's really important to have an underdog or an alternative because sometimes we can't always get clearance.

I still remember that there was a title of for my episode that I thought was going to be the title, and then it wasn't and it was rhymes with Zendeia. Instead, it was my Big Fat Greek Culture, which I think is like a better title maybe for like a passerby of a podcast, but rhymes with Zendeia I think is much more in the voice of That's why on this

episode it's more underdog. For title of EP is rhymes with Sendea yeah, And you know what, Zendia was the underdog at the Emmy's and she took home the statue beautiful to. One of my most toxic traits is I was kind of sad for Jennifer and is then for one second same toxic I think. Actually, I mean Szendia is like technically the underdog but likes as like the cool one. Right now, it's like once me more than

vin Ze. Yeah for Sandra. I know, I know I'm biased, but Sandra showed up on the Zoom shopped from Clapped Winds in Day oh one, wore like a beautiful like BLM jacket um in Korean and like she like just showed up and like was present, Like I I hope she. I hope she gets her gets her flowers someday from

the damn Television Academy. Yeah, you know. What I also thought was such a flex was like the celebrities who couldn't even bother to get on Zoomy, Like Meryl Streep was not getting on Zoom, Olivia Coleman was not getting on zoom, Laura Dern did not get on Zoom. Cape Blanchett, who was the star of Mrs America, did not get on zoom. They probably called a head and we're like We're gonna win, and they were like, no, girl, sure, sure, sure, so don't waste Cape Lunchets time. Cape Planchett is not

going to get on the zoom and lose. Who beat Cape Blanchet, Miss Regina, Oh well that makes sense, you know what. This is the one thing I'll say about the end. I think the fact that the three things that one big Watchman, ships, creak, and succession like, regardless of my personal feelings, I think all three of them capture something about the moment, and I think they were the right, the correct winners, despite the fact that there are certain people I'm sad lost. I think, you know,

was the ship's creek sweep a bit much? Sure, but I actually think it makes sense that those are the three big winners. George, that was such a tasteful take, such a positive you know, sort of just sort of you know, it's I'm happy to be here and I'm I'm happy to see everyone else succeeding. I love that from you can I can I sar something out there while he was saying it, he looked so beautiful. He looks so beautiful while he was beautiful. I always look

more beautiful when i'm being um positive. Yeah, looks incredible on you. Thank you. Enjoy it while it lasts bit ugly. Now, it's crazy you went from stunning icon to wore ugly in a second. That's my my comedy album is stunning icon to or ugly devolves over the course of an hour. Stunning icon to hore ugly is the that's like, it's a yeah, it's from Justin to Kelly. I guess that movie was about texting. Do you ever think about what I've never seen it. You've never seen it, I've never

seen an I've never seen anither. But I believe you when you say that it's about stunning icons. Well, that's what I believe. Literally, that's what the movie was. It was from Justin to Kelly, like they would text each other, and that's the whole the whole crux of the movie is the bitchy blonde friend who like of course was me and because she was well basically yes, she like somehow gets one of their phone and sends a text that's to fund them up, and they fall for it,

and then she almost gets her way. That blonde bitch. That's actually a really solid premise. I'm gonna say amazing. I like the simplicity of Yeah, George, you're you're stunning this this this warm client take. You're stunning icon you you glow, Alison Brie, it's actually really culture number forty nine. You glow, you Glowrie. I think it's time for I don't think so, Honey, Why do you want to end? I know? I keep going, we king, I'm mostly kidding. You're supposed to write a sketch. Oh oh my goh

my god, what's it gonna be pitched to us? Baby? You CB class can wait? Unbelievable. No one's taking his three on one. That Scotch. I would watch that Scotch. I would absolutely watch that. Joe Biden but he's gay? What what kind of things would he say? You think, George? He'd say, um, malarkey in my asshole? Sam? What would the second beat beat? That's the only beat I had, That's the only Joe Biden but I know is the malarkey?

I think there's something like where um um, something about we have to do something with like doctor Jill, Like maybe she's like, I'm a doctor. That's how I can tell my husband's gay. He'd be like, yeah, I've got a stutter from sucking dick too much. Apparently you can get a stutter from that. Now. Yeah, he's like, I must be gay. I named my son Hunter. Oh oh my god, that old queen. What George picked queen? Yeah,

from New York. And she comes in and I Rudolf comes in playing Kamala and she does a death drop and the lady Gaga comes in on zoom and says, live from New York. It's fineness, it's my city, New York. Live from New York. I want to say everyone from this what was the host? And she said, put your paws up for Charlie Pooth. I would stand, I would stand s t a n that for Charlie Pooth, but does have his pa. I'll tell you what. He's had his finger in his butt hole jacking off for Charlie Pooth.

You do it for like a week. It was for the you know what. I was doing that too. You both had your fingers and your assholes natative. But now he's a little too like queer baby. You know what I don't know, like something about I've taken a turn off of Charlie Pooth Road. Yeah, road was actually right next to Abbey road. Yeah, I prefer him to that other, the Calvin Klein one with the Cabayo. You mean father first of all, first straight fucking father. That's you sound

like straight And his name is Sean Don Mendece. Interesting. You forget the poc well iconic BIPOC people, people who say but phone nate the the letters b well BIPOC. I'm like, I think it was io a Debris on our podcast in fact, who said BIPOC is the all lives matter of acronyms. Yes, yes, absolutely, I think, so, honey, or what I think it's time? I have one? Do you have one? Matt? But it feels like you want to storm the floor and go first. No no, no, no no no, But I think we let's just stick

to Okay, I have one. Okay, So this is our segment. I don't think so, honey. We take one minute to rail against something in culture. This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Acres, what are you? How big are you? Stupid bitch acre? I have been told that. I'm like, oh, yes, I have this many acres of land? Fuck you? It's how many miles? Has it n how many feet? Because now we can talk, I understand how much feet is?

What is acres? I don't think so, honey, that I know, and also not for nothing, But why are you talking like your old timey hon. It's the year of our lar two thousand twenty. We say feet, inches, yards meters. If you want to get Europe, listen acres No, I don't think so, honey, acres, I don't think so. Money just ribing how much quote unquote land you have? An acre's? Literally? What is an acre? Who can tell me? And also not for another but a c r. You don't have

no alibi? You ugly. I can't even say this word. It's not sacred, it's acre. And also get out of that five second get out of here, acres more. If I'm saying that, I want to say acorn. Hello, and that's one. That's amazing, that's one of your best. Hell yeah, I don't get it. Does anyone know what an acre is? I guess you smart quote nquote smart people. I once lived on a farm and we said we live on It was on six acres, and I always I could visualize that, but I actually don't know how to was

it a huge property? Like what it was pretty big? Actually yes? And I similarly, my grandfather before he passed in Greece, bought three acres like in the middle of nowhere and it was his dream, like he wanted to cultivate the land and that was And so I know what three acres looks like? Does an acre sound like? Doesn't that sound like a food? It sounds like a honey, Yes, it really, I'll get I'll get the apricot acre acre. Yeah, that sounds delicious, and someone like it's actually a cray.

So so I just want to say, like, for once and for all, no one could tell me what an acre was not here. That's true, that's true. But I mean this is our urban bias and we're being very anti real America. Didn't you hear me say I lived on a farm? Well, Sam, you live in Wick. That's a good point. A smelly farm, shut up, my god, pig sty fucker pigs or smelly girl. Smell you're the smelly girl. You put stink all over your balls and not Oh yeah, I've heard of you. You smell like

whole and you fuck when when you is disgusting. Mad. I wish you could all do a smell test now that you've been wearing your ball deodorant for thirty minutes, I just want to make it very clear that my pants are still completely off. Oh I've started, and I'm covering myself up with a blanket because you have to be kouth, but you know you have to be pooth more like mad. As you were standing there with no pants during this recording, which of our voices made you

most hard? What pressed up against the throw and don't lie? We'll be able to tell. Yeah. Well, here's the thing. I feel like Bowen's voice I hear all the time, and so I'm sort of just like used to it sexually, you know what I mean. And you know the both of you have very sexual tones to your voice. But I do think I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and give it to Sam because we haven't explored that yet in our like, Oh that's so nice. We haven't tickled yet. Sam.

You are making me the hardest is a challenge. Yeah, definitely, thank you for your support. However, I cannot reciprocate at this time. Okay, that's fine. Let me think this, um, this is Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey, if you can believe it or not, and I can confirm that his, well, let me get my thing up. Okay, his time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Lady Gaga abandoning the concept of kindness punks after the release

of Stupid. There was no call back to it at any point in the Chromatica release cycle, and we still have not heard one damn thing about what kind of kindness punks are and do or think. And I want to know more about kindness punks because I wanted to be one. When I first heard the term in this punk, I said, I want to be that. But now I don't know what that thing is. I don't know what that that is. And Lady Gaga, you have some defining to do instead of making all these videos about being

hit by a car or something. Nine one one, your biggest enemy is you because you're not. No, your biggest enemy is me, Papa one, please patch the line. I think you need to explain what a kindness punk is because they're the people need to know more. It's what we need as a culture to be kindness punks. But again, who among you? This is like the Acre's question, who among who among you can tell me what a kindness punk in October? I need to know what it is

because that's the only way we can heal. That's one minute. You know, while I agree, I had been waiting for Lady Gaga to explore the theme of trauma. You know, I feel like we haven't heard about that from her. Yeah, That's that was why I was excited to see the video because I just hadn't really heard her delve into that. But but I do just say, want, I appreciate you speaking truth to power, But I'm kind of was so

thrilled that she didn't just keep saying kindness punks. I thought it was a smart move to be like, actually, I'm gonna go ahead and just leave that in the past. Sam stand. Sam is stand more so than any of the like stand Twitter accounts. Yeah, I'm a bigger I'm a bigger Gaga stand than Sam Is Like, Okay, fight, Oh my god, girls, go for it. Bo when you have dirty seconds Right now, I'm putting time on the clock to say why you were a bigger I think

that Bowen literally wants needs to work. George. I don't need your opinion, I really and you looked at you look disgusting, honey, and you look ugly, poor, ugly. You look like an ugly whore when you said that. And you've looked pretty hot before before earlier, but now you look ugly. So stop anyway, one one acre, sixty square feet. Okay, that feels like we're not doing this. We need to move.

I'm sorry. I was the premise to attack standwiches say little monster talk about how you are a bigger stand than Lady Gaga in relation to Sam go Okay, I was checking in on Gaga daily, the official Lady Gaga message boards every single day during the art pop era when people were not on board. I was with her when she was at her lowest, at her worst, and I was still standing and still engaging in the conversation, sweetie,

So I will. I've been there for Gaga when she was at her lowest, I will be there for her when she is at her best. I watched the entire south By Southwest Kea where she where she was in a garbage bag and had white dreads. Sam is Sam is white? Okay, So now Sam, you now have to do the same thing towards Bowen. And remember that he called you white, so it might be wise to say

something about his race. Bowen. I'm may not have been on the message boards, and I may not be the encyclopedia of Gaga knowledge that you are, but I have heart and isn't that what loving Gaga is all about? Because I have loved her since the beginning, and I don't I don't check the message boards. I'm not a researcher for Gaga daily. I am a fan and a stand and a standard is an emotional bond like one would have with the Lord who I believe in and who is Gaga? And my paws are up and you

are white too? Yes, he is all right? Well, George, who won listen? Peress Hilton. I really I have to give it. I have to give it to my co host Sam Taggart, but I also have to say that I'm disappointed that he didn't bring up since Bowen brought up south By south West, Sam should have brought up the vomit artist that in fact accompanied Lady Gaga south Southwest and who is very important in stradio lab lore and we have discussed doing multiple include Bowen one, including

my episode. We talked about her a lot and we all stand the vomit artist equally. So Sam won this round, but Bowen could always know that I had a crush on him for multiple weeks. Well that's a good opinion. That's why I asked for your opinion. And now I say so so that you were your opinion when you said that. All right, So now it's going to be time actually for Bowen. Who should go first? George should go first? George? Okay, I have I have a very I have an improv you one. Are you ready? Yeah,

I'm very excited about that. Famed stand up George Savers doesn't improvily, I don't think remember that. Remember who's in the chat, famous improvisers Boone Yang and Sam Tiger. They were both on their teams. I heard of it. I have knocked out of the park every I don't think so I done. Okay, he really has for another for another grants here is George bars I don't think so.

One of these time starts now, I don't think so. Honey, Instagram, I think we have all seen enough to Just to illustrate this, I'm going to improvise by going on Instagram on my phone right now and doing live commentary on each let's see sharing factually and accurate graphics about voting. Okay, let's see a gay person sharing a meme about Kim catrall stupid. Someone at the moment wearing a mask. It's Natalie Walker and she actually looks gorgeous. Oh, someone made

a cartoon, but it's bad. A video on someone's fince to of them cooking. Why would you make an entirely new Instagram shade get her? Um? Okay, an advertisement for furniture I can afford design within reach? Where? Oh okay? Someone I don't like but got a writing job recently. Um, don't grab character video from It's really funny, but I'm not gonna do it now, and how much time do I have? And I just let say I don't think so. Honey, scientists, where's the vaccine? Oh my god, one you got hurt? Jade,

you really did? And stuff found dead? Scientists found dead? Not found working hard enough, that's for sure. Well what I have to say? You really beautiful? You shut that down? Yeah, you know you're really You're really onto something there, George, Because who I buy a show of hands? Who feels good on Instagram? Me raise their hands. Let's move on to Sam, I have to go, oh my god, that's your opinion. Um, okay, so Sam Taggert, this is your like millions. I don't think so, honey. I feel and

you sometimes do pull out like really real thinker. You know they're honestly, i'd say they're or miss welcome to the club. And his time starts now. I don't think so, honey. My big fat ass with its little little hole. It is for potential suitors. They see that big round, acre wide and they say, I'm gonna pick penis in that and and then when they try, oh baby, I say no, thank you, I actually can't. I'm actually really bad at that. Can we actually stop? I'm sorry? Can you make it?

Tell for me? They say no, this is how sex works. It's a hard dick in a hole. And I just want to say this is some sort of mirage for men. It's it's cruel what I do to them. I present them with this luscious rump. They want to gobble it up, and yet they can't because the whole is too small.

It's like those butterflies that precinct as predators with the big eyes, but mine presents something to look And then you actually learned that you can't and it's some sort of trick and trap and I am sorry, and I forgive you for trying. And that's one minute. Wow, I really relate. Do you have a small hole too? Oh? Yes, medically so you so, Sam, you have a small hole. But when you have a small hole, it's it's um,

it's small. Medically, I don't know if I've gotten medically told that it's that's a small hole, but it feels I identify as having a small hole. Okay, And George, I would say, mine's average. Yeah, all right, all right, this has been um I would say electric. This was one of the most electric episodes. It was like serious for a little right, like kind of scary. I liked I liked them. I liked the sequencing of this episode

where it started out, you know, fun. I brought a weird question in where I was like, I'm the Sam and George is the Mat and then we argued about that and then it got serious. But then it got it got really fun and giggly and cookie at the end. I don't remember it being serious. It was serious. It was really serious. It was very serious. Gas lighters, big time, doing anything to gain rous fiber and we were making

blue hair and MAT's over here big time. Oh my god, there good doing anything to dead your I don't know that next word. This has been a wonderful episode of Las culture Stas. Please please reader, listen to Stradio Lab but one of the best podcasts. It makes us laugh. So it makes us laugh. So they are really doing the work, the good work of booking guests outside of the lost Culturistas the universe, and for that we thank them. And um, it really sort of expands my horizons as

a listener. It taught them way too long to book us. That's not true, No, it did. Okay, it's true. For Matt, it's truer Mat. Okay. We close every we close every every episode of the song guess side time anything? Do we sing a lot? Yes? I'm bad at that one. Here here we go, No no, no, here I have a good one. Go. I was twenty three. Tell listen to more of that. This is the best Lady Gaga album. Joe A