“Squeeze From the Back” (w/ Joel Kim Booster)

actually tomorrow tomorrow. It's premiering tomorrow, which is September nineteen, the year of our Lord. I mean, he's the first person to start on a show. What is what are you doing? Are you? Are you mocking? You know I was somebody making a light job. No, no, no, okay, take all the humor out of this right now. I'm very proud. Thank you take all the humor out of it. And that's my job is to take all the humor out of it. So I so thank you for meeting

me at my level. I would say that you, out of the two of us, do bring the gravitas, well, not the not the lack of humor. I've been listening back to episodes and I'm like I'm avain. No, yeah, I think that I that that that I've been vain, But it's vain of me to listen back to all episodes. But I've been listening to episodes, and your findings have been I cannot make it through a cohesive sentence, a coherent sense. I couldn't even do that. I said cohesive

instead of coherent. I'm stupid, bitch. First of all, you and I both know and all the listeners know that you absolutely know the difference between cohesive and coherent. Just then, when I was mid sentence, I did not know, and I had to backtrack and correct myself. Oh it was terrible. I was so embarrassed. You don't enjoy listening to yourself back. It's just I really have to brace myself. And I'm like, God,

I sometimes sometimes the questions I'll ask trail off. I'm really trying to get into this, get to this place of true self self critical stuff, you know, And I can see I can't even it's early, but we're recording early. This is right, And I just want to say that it's one of the great thrills of my life to listen back to myself on this podcast and I'm so proud I think everything that I say and everything that I do. I'm just like, I'm so to be honest myself.

You're being sarcastic, but you should be listened back to you. I'm like, I was like, Oh, Matt, Thank God for Matt. Matt is truly like hitting all the right marks conversationally. You know, Well, that's kind of you to say. I feel that I'd be nothing without you. Bitch. Uh, we can we do? We can? I'm sorry? Can we talk about how early it is? Yeah, it's I am which it's early. Can I say something? It's early because we're New York trash but in Los Angeles, which is I know,

a boring topic. People will be up at seven thirty eight eight. Things like that, fully, things like that, things like that, the coquettish slug. Did you want to comment on my outfit? Matt Rodgers is currently wearing the vintage first edition limited edition that we do have plenty of. There's about a thousand shirts of this kind sitting on the shelf and Forever Dog New York, but you are wearing the original I don't think so, honey shirt. You know we should do with those shirts? Get a T

shirt cannon and shoot them at people. That's what I want to do. Oh, but then that makes them feel too disposable. I disagree. I think I think that, well, they are disposable look at them, I know, but I'm saying, like one day that will be a collector's item for four people. You think they'll be like Spice Girls dolls. They'll be like Princess Diana beanie babies, although at the

time they were. The Princess Diana beanie babies were always always Here's a question, luxury, what can you actually sell the Princess Princess Dianna Bani babies for now anything thousands of dollars? Thousands? Well, then I'm sitting on a thousands of dollars because guests, who owns a Princess DIABEI baby, the one with the Irish shamrock? You is that what you um? And well, I do have one, and I have the I have the white one with the shamrock,

I have the peace bear. I have the Princess Diana baby. Peace Bear feels so you could piece bear everyone has. But I'm speaking of someone who whose parents we're like my sister name begged to buy beanie babies as kids, and my parents were like, what the fuck? No little animals stuffed animals to put on your I think we went to an open house once when we were when

we were trying to find a house in America. We went into one and this kid had a room that was literally hundreds of beanie babies on their bed and okay, oh got it. So we went into your bedroom. But Yang and I were like, this is the this is amazing. We want this. And my parents were like, just saw this pile of small stuffed animals and they were like, absolutely not. That is not what your life is going

to be. Like. Well, I was allowed to have many hundreds of meanie babies and had many hundreds of beanie babies, and I were you allowed to have like Pokemon Ship was a lot to have Pokemon Ship. We have Barbie dolls. Um, Barbie dolls not that many, Yang, I mean only Yang could buy them. I couldn't ask for them. Um. But right of course we talked about the Aladdin Barbie doll. Right of course, just a true sexual awakening and young age,

can I ask you do you know? Here's a quiz for you before we bring our guests what was at the time, what were they saying was going to be the in sync doll to accumulate the most value of five in sync Barbie dolls. They said one of them would accumulate the most value. And that was the hardest one to get quote unquote, it was I think it's either your lance er j C. It was Lance Lance and which spicecrawl? Was it posh? It was Jerry? Oh yeah,

that makes sense, Union Jack Dress. Yes. And of course then there you go, iconic, iconic, speaking of iconic, speaking of iconic history, making boundary breaking, you know, first four time guest, and honestly, who else would it have been? Truly no one else, Truly no one else. This is because no one else would have the audacity to say I'm going to be the first four time guests. And it's that kind of audacity that shakes up the industry and changes lives. You know, we just spent a gorgeous

few days with this person on Fire Island. Let's we we gotta bring him into this conversation to recap. We're not going to do any recapping off the top by ourselves, no, but we should say one of the stars of NBC's upcoming show Sunnyside Thursdays and NBCNBC. He just finished we're recording this in August, early August. He just finished taping a stand up our very sick boy and God. He

truly is a judy, historic prehistoric judy, historic prehistoric judy. Everyone, please welcome into your ears, the iconic, sexually viable, the fertile, um, the um, the standing. Joe came boister. I gotta tell you I have nothing um right off the top, I have nothing interesting to say. I was watching over here and I said, what am I doing? What am I doing? It's not even been a year. I have not learned anything since the last time. Truly, my mind is a

fucking clean surface. I felt the whole time. Yesterday, laying in my bed, I was like, we're all just playing chicken about who's going to cancel this first? Because I was like I was waiting. I was waiting for one of you to be like, Joel, it's too early. Unless you have something important to fucking say, we're not doing this. Literally, do you want to know something? This morning? I got up at seven am and it was like check, No. I would have been so mad. Actually, literally, I literally

in my mind's eye. But first of all, it is not that early in the grand same. So I was up till three last night working. Why are you making that problem? That's up to you, that's up to me. What were you doing before that, being on a grinder talking talking about grinder, talking to man on man on grinder. No, here's the thing, um, is that we were on Fire Island. I'm sitting by the Joel and I are sitting at the dock watching the sunset, truly my favorite, no stop,

anyone can do it if you pay. Not everyone's that privilege. And you pay the nine dollar one way and and and that's it and and the L I R sunset is free, sunsets free, and the sunsets my number one top favorite part of the whole trip every year. Um. But we're on the docks and Joel goes, oh, come record this week. I was like, okay. And it was as simple as that anyway for anyone else but Jroel. We have been like absolutely not, can we Let's let's roll back? Because I said should we record this week?

It was not a command, It was a very heavy suggestion that as as three best friends, we were like, yes, of course, of course you can come record Joel, what have you Okay, you've you've had to have learned something since our star is born upisode. Please listen back to why did you do that to me? Are extensive deep dive into stars. I've learned a few things. I have learned a few things. I also have a lot of notes because my god, I know I listened to this.

I listened to this podcast. I listened to this podcast week in week. Thank you are loyal fans. But recently you sent us a text the Betty Gilpin episode. You said, what did you say the Betty Guilpin episode is exemplary? Or do you what did you say? First class? World class, world class? So that was a high compliment you're about to notice down. No, I'm gonna say I'm gonna talk a little bit about what you were talking about in

the intro. Though. About you, I will say that UM, I was actually was trying to formulate this in an interesting way like online recently because I was listening to you guys, and I was listening to Nympho It's so so good, it's funny podcast. But both THETA and you, I think have really UM found a way to make being the straight man funny. Oh my god, really interesting way. And I noticed it about because like Matt is a clown,

you are comedia. That's fine. This face is made for paint Comediasla tie bitch, catch me in Florence, how And I think part of it is the big mask. Exactly what face has a long nose and people laugh at it when I perform so matts comedia. But I think it's just sometimes you ask the right question, oh and that, and it's it makes me laugh sometimes when you interrogate his nonsense. Um, and it's this, and I think it's

very much the same on that other part. But listening this to be compared to Theda Hamilt is true genius. So I don't think data would. I think it's probably an insult to theta. But to me, that's that's the highest complement. And for you, for me, for you to be down here talking now, I'm here. Now, I'm here, Matt, if New York is the fifth lady of sex in the city, am i am the fifth lady. I've been sitting silent for months and months and months to hear you say things like you l a gains those it's

really driving around in my car, driving around. That's right, I said it. I drive a very l A to hear you say those LA gays, and also to hear you to hear you bring up Star Star Actress game and not say credit. It's Joel kim Booster's game. Joel Kimboster inventage. I created the game while we were watching Captain Marvel. Yeah like you you actually you act like you're better than the game. You act like you wouldn't play,

ever initiate, never initiate victim. I'm telling you Yang is a public victim, his victim because you get this podcast on. I can't do a sentence. And these l A gates always playing games put me on the spot for everything to say is not being put on the spot, being put on the spot now, bitch um, I don't reject all of this gone to say. I just need I just need less aggression from you while I'm driving around in my car train to spend time with my friends.

Aggression directed that is, Oh, that's directed out of a fine you know what, it's because he I'm insecure. If that you want to be you desperately, I feel would like to have more of a familiar arity with the West Coast and you. This is what I used to do. I used to always say, funk that funk, that funk that everything going on over there because I'm not a part of it. We do not. We do it every episode on the show. I do not. Now. I love

both equally, both my children New York City and Los Angeles, California. Okay, but what's what's your assessment of me? You're you're about I'm saying no, I wasn't about to drag you. I was saying that if you played the game where you would know it's not me and we actually celebrate all the actresses in the game. That works for her. Not being a star is not an intrinsically negative things can't

be stars. Some people can't be stars. You're right, I mean, I think and then and many times they're still good actresses. That's fine. We we I mean. The hard part of this game is for people who are neither right or yeah, that we don't touch. I think the thing is, though, is that most of the people that we'd be talking about have to be one of the to be one of the other front of our eyes and to be one to be either or both is the highest compliment, and you know what has to happen. Now we have

to play. I was going to say, we have to just everyone we've gotten. I've gotten a lot of text tweets, dms like saying like this has started the corpse, like this, I'm playing this game with my friends now and truly it's like friendships are being broken. It's gonna start a topic and we have to credit this correctly at Joel

can Booster invented this game? In this terrible it's going to happen h SPT Hot Senior Producer Tracy is going to say names of famous iconic quote unquote actresses, but we can't say we can't remove the quotes yet because we don't know. We haven't yet played there. And now this is going to be the definitive decisions about them because there are three of us and famously there's going to be a majority of two yes and maybe even a full sweep, full sweep, but we have to say

star or actress. This is the game, Star ar actress HSPT shout out a name star and actor. I would say absolutely has the gravitas on screen, and you can't say she doesn't have the chops that woman can shake with anxiety, like no, no, no one else Where did you go? Bernard? Where did you go? Richard Link later directing book. Can you know? I just said that she performs anxiety better than anyone else. But you know who I think might perform anxiety just as Julianne. No, I

was gonna say Clarid Danes Claire can perform mania. Yeah, And I never say I'm going to go out on a limit just as a gimme actor. I'm actually, I'm actually gonna note like I'm not like, I'm not like whipping around on the street because I passed Clarid Danes, you know what I mean. But I am watching Homeland. He's eating an apple. Um. I did watch home And for the first like three seasons and then it got too much for me, right but um, thank you. She's both.

She's both because she has the real power on screen and when anyone is willing to get on stage in Christ not from her nose. And I think like she's she elevates everything she does. She can do the big highbrow, low brow. She was in Suicide Squad. Oh my god, it's a badass. And ate a steak that when you want to watch someone eat a steak. That's a sign you wanted to be someone who has done August Wilson exactly.

They have to understand what the steak actually means, you know what I mean, that's the pain that has gone into that has paved the way to the steak. Yeah. Absolutely. Okay, Well I haven't seen I haven't. I'm going to say star, not actor. I have to reveal. She's so good on The Handmaid's Tale that you have, she's you can't go away from that show. Say she doesn't have acting talent. Yeah, okay, um, I think she hasn't. But here's the thing. I have

no doubt that she's a fantastic actor actress. I think she has not broken out in a big way in a way that the gays or you know, the collective audience wants her to. For her to be like considered a capitalist star, I don't think we've seen enough. That's what I'm saying. I'm I guess I the reason I pass I'm presenting her as a star is because she's so like I'm watching her and I can't stop watching her. But I don't think it's because she's great. But you're

saying not actress, You're saying both. I'm saying star not actor because I'm like, what is going on here? I'm in I want to know more, but not because she's doing the work, you know, just because you want to see her from whatever what happens to her in the head Man still something terrible happens to her. A lot of terrible things happen to her, but she she's still there. Um But I will say for me, and it's the

same in Gilmore Girls. I think the same amount of things happened to her and Gilmore Girls, She's still You can't say she's not still there at the end. Both of them are. But the fact of the matter is, like I've never been like a Gilmore Girls like person. You love Gilmore Girls seen it. I've seen the whole series at least six or seven times through and the middle like seasons two through six, probably like eleven times.

It used to be the box set of Gilmore Girls used to be the most expensive thing I have, Yes, like where there were hundreds of dollars. And Lauren Graham. You think star and actress Lauren Graham maybe an actor not a star, and she is like she is important she's so important to you. I think she's so good. And there was a time when I would used. I used to seek out every weird movie that she was in, watch it, and like watch every Ellen episode. She's like

frequent guests on Ellen and so charming on there. And she won celebrity poker and she beat she beat the older brother from uh Malcolm in the Middle, and he too, he was taking it so seriously like it was her and like, um, Sarah ru the only women were the only women, and like Sarah, we got out pretty early,

and um, it was Chandler what's his face? Matthew Matthew Perry, and then a couple other guys and like it came down to Sarah Laura Graham and um, this guy from Malcolm in the Mid guy who got charged with sleeping with and underage girl. Oh maybe just like it's his brother, his brother, yeah, yeah, yeah, and his he's got like his cap down in the sunglasses and he looks ridiculous. And she won, and I just that's pretty cool though. I love it, and and I love her because she's

like she went to theater school. She like acted for little while when got back on her m f A and then like did sitcoms and then you know, just it's such a norm she's, yeah, she does musical theaters. She then this is such a dumb I had to google most likable celebrities for just for just just to pitch out on you know, celebrities. And then um, she is, like she shows up in every last I'm like, that's so interesting. Well, people that love Gilmore, girls are like

fanatical about Gilmore. But she like but she's I guess just just that she's like a charming person and like everybody likes her and I love that and we love that for her, love that. But but but not a star. Let's do another one. Okay, Elizabeth Moss, I would say Starr and actress and I And the reason the reason I would know because you're not. Here's the thing you don't. It's it's like Beyonce once said, okay, you know you're that bit when you cause all this conversation. What conversation

though it sci? What are you saying, Joel is not a star? Shut up, get out of here. She's not your fourth time on the show. You learn nothing. I'm saying, Elizabeth Moss can't like I I did not conjure who that even was immediately that makes you an outlier of our time. No, no, no, no, here's the thing, Like, I'm happy we're having a disagreement, Elizabeth Moss. I don't think it is yet in a place to lead a rom com or like a superhero movie or like, you know,

like that doesn't make you a star. This is my little I mean, it's my very basic litmus test. And she's definitely an actress. Cannot she's not. She's not the paper is not turned the you know, paper is not turning blue or whatever. She is the kind of person who can get signed onto a television project and it gets made us instantly and people will always take a note for me, that's a start. So what are you saying that Jennifer Anderson is not a star? I think

she's a star and the next she's start. But I just don't. I just she's not like she's the name on everyone's lips is not. Elizabeth's not a star like I know, So we have to define I'm realizing now we might have to define stardom. That it's different for everybody, and that's why the game is fine. But here my litmus says and the reason we and the reason I even like came to this game was because we saw Captain.

We saw Captain Marvelous, who is I think sort of the epitome for me of an actor not a star. Iconic problem is is because those Marvel movies, which I love, you realize the people who anchor those movies, the good ones, are all stars, and you need the stars. You need that charisma to fill in the blanks because they're all sort of like Sammy Sammy, a little bit like they're

all a little formula. Once you know now that we're and like Robert Downey Jr. Star, Chris Evans star, you know, like Chris uh star, but Scar Joe, they're all stars. And then you watch Bree Larson and you're just sort of like she's doing it and she had a harder time because like her whole character is a cipher that sort of the point she doesn't know her past or anything like that. But like you, there was just not that extra thing, sort of the sheen on top of

the performance that made you engage with that character. And it was a good movie. I don't want to like discount it was a good movie, but I think like it's just like the difference you can kind of test sure sure to me, she she, I really like Free Larson. But to me, it's just like there's there's not a lot of um for Captain Marvel. I feel like I need a little bit more like strength. Yeah. Well no,

here's the thing. You compare this, and I don't want to be reductive and just be like, but it is like these two major female lead superhero movies, you Wonder Woman.

Captain Marvel is a better structured movie, but in many respects probably, but Wonder Woman is a movie I would I would rather watch that again gal Gado star Star but not but she pulls it up and like and and she yeah, because like I think there's just something about her presence on screen that, especially for something like a superhero movie, Like if I'm going to watch Room, you want Bree, you don't want Gut right, But if I'm watching like a stupid action movie that needs like

sort of to feel like a compelling presence on screen to take it to a place of interest, you need got truly the correlator. The correllary to this is like one of those actresses is an Oscar winner, like you would rather see the non Oscar winner sort of lead this like huge movie. I feel like I would prefer both. But yeah, but I get what you're saying about what you if when it comes down to it, would you prefer a star? I would prefer both, you see. Yeah,

But but I'm saying it's this is the thing. This is the interesting question for me, and the answer cannot be both. Which is more important? I mean, like, like which would you which is more important? I think I think you see amazing acting all the time, and I think as gay men, we want actors do I want

to start primarily? So Okay, I again, I think this this depends on what you're watching, Like if you're watching the movie obsessed with Beyonce and Ali Larder, For me, no one could do those roles better because they're both. I think a Larder can be swapped out. I think

it's not just I love Ali Larder. Ali is only Ali could commit to that script like fucking if it was like yeah, you're right, like just that nine whenever it came out, like the actress, like the like actress of that time who like met that very specific sliver of criteria criteria like that was Ali honestly, this scene where she's like, you said we would be together actually like you said it, Derek, you said it and he like never said it. But in her eyes you know

that she believes actress. What is Ali? Where is alot? Children have forgotten Ali Larder, who was iconic famously and not only the Finalist Nation movies but also with the series here. Um, but my last thing about Ali Larder is um is wa Alie Warder was also in Lately Bland. Yeah. Dave and I were just talking about this on Viriled. We're saying, like that scene where she's like, um, I went, I went, I went from A six to four and that's great on the day of Hayworth's murder. Yeah kidding

what what? Oh? Starver Well and we had this in interesting there can be You're not these are not static like Laura during ten years ago we would have said actor, not star. But now literally she was like I remember talking about this and then last night I stumbled on this video of her like talking about like all her roles. She was like, not her and her fucking mom Mary?

What's her face? Yeah? Yeah, anyway, Um, Bruce Jarn's wise, I'm not sure but they were both of them historic, both of them nominated for for an Oscar the same year for the movie that Rambling Rose Like wait, like like a few years before Jurassic Park. It's like she was she was always an actress and that's where she was. She wasn't a star Dassic Park. I think we know we made her a star recently. Community did the work down there, and we said, we got some work to do.

She stepped into her startup obviously with big little lies,

and I think some would say enlightened. And also and also, but here's the thing about Laura Dern in a movie, In a movie like Jurassic Park, you actually need primarily an actress because I because with Jurassic Park at the time, you had that iconic scene where she sees the stars for the real life for the first time, and the wonder in her eyes, like the incredible you really believe that her Sam Neil Jeff they all sell it in a way that the c g I of these new

fucking movies could never say. She was saying in this issue is like those raptors were real, like they were there, like yeah, because they made audio on amatronics, right, And she was like like those peppeteers are genius, and she was like, so as an actor, that's great. Like now I was I wasn't looking at nothing. I was like, she goes, she goes, she goes, she goes. I was she goes. I was scared. I was terrified when we

were shooting. I mean, that's the thing is, it's like you almost appreciate and like the fact that you're not watching a full blown star because it would almost be distracting, where it is like she's for us, for us, and we get to we get to sit there and almost be her and Sam Neil, who also like that great actor, the only star in that movie. Is really the thing is is I think here's another criteria I think we just stumbled on is that with stars who are not actors,

you're sort of always aware. You're like, oh my god, I'm watching so and so and yes, and then an actor you can sort of like you do sort of forget about them, you know, and then a star and an actor can sort of do both because like Julia Roberts, sometimes you're like sometimes you're watching Julia Roberts, You're like, oh my god, I'm watching Julia Roberts. And sometimes but then when she's Aaron Brockovitch, it's like, I'm kind of not getting as much Julia robertson this, which is great

for me. Aaron Brockovich is the perfect example of a star vehicle that allows them to show their acting because it's like, I mean, this is a great movie. I could watch it and and it's just such a perfect match for her gifts so good. I think My best Friend's Wedding is one of the best round comes of all time. I would absolutely agree. I love the ending a movie where there are it's like forty five minutes too long, you don't understand the structure, but it is so good and she is so good in it, and

it is unlike anything else. She's iconic in that movie. I mean. And also the character is this is how you know someone like the start, because the character is like, what is going on? Girl? Like, get over the villain. She's the villain, she really is. She is the villain. I think are apparent to Julia. I think someone who is sort of Julia Roberts and Jason for me right now is I would absolutely because you and amistone in the Favorite Too, You're like always aware that it's emistone,

but like, what a great performance. And I'm actually a La La Land apologist and thought that she deserved the Oscar for it. I have not revisited, but we saw it together together, but we loved it. When we loved saw we had no critical thoughts. But there was Trump, which is stupid. I don't know that that thing about everyone hating Land. It's like you guys like get mad about real things. Um, I just want to do just Aaron Brockovich can't do that. That's what am I supposed

to check in every two seconds? Yes, it's called accountability. I'm not talking to you, bitch, that's all you got, Lady to wrong And just such a good script, so well directed, like the tone all the supporting characters feel real M is absolutely Albert Finney, UM, so fucking good. And she's she's like, that's like exactly what I want to see out of a movie like that, or a movie in general. It's just someone turning it. Yes, yes, um, but the Laura during things sorry to go back to this.

She was like in David She was like multiple David Lynch films before and then in the eighties and nine, like sucking blue and not eighties but like blue Velvet. It's like, yeah, I always trust an actress that a director works with again and again and again, and I'm like, well, obviously there's something that works here, Like for me, you know who, I we you know who. There's I think the most iconic conversation around when it comes to this game. And I think she's the most polarizing when it comes

to this Cha. Yes, I brought her up. I was going to say, for me, the most polarizing I think, especially in this group is Jennifer Lawrence. Let's starting out an actor. I don't get it. Silver Linings Playbook, did not did not get why she wants that Oscar to be honest in retrospect, do not get it. I think

star and actress, I really do. I think that. I think that here's the thing about Jennifer Lawrence, and this is what we get down to, what exactly is makes it makes us because I think that she has given several iconic performances American Hustle, She's the only fun thing about that movie, her and amy Um Silver Linings. It's a weird performance and she's like not cast super well. But the thing is, like you will remember it like you. You remember that some of the scenes she's really really good.

Their chemistry is good, and when you watch it a second time, it actually really works, even Hunger Games, and then you don't forget about winners Bone, but forget about Here's my problem though, I think, and this is my resistance to Jennifer Lawrence. And I think it's always been my resistance because remember, every game man was born into this world of casting director and the rest is drag. The rest is track. And I every game was born

to the world director and the rest is drag. I those that slew of movies from Silver Linings through Joy not right. It's not right. And I don't she's playing characters that's way too old, and it was too soon in the transition was so quick from Hunger Games where she is a young girl to a young woman to fucking Joy where she supposed to be in her like forties the whole time. And it's so like, I can't.

It was so hard to watch those three movies where she's playing these like these like middle roles and and and that's and that's the other add frustration, as they say there's no roles for women over forty in Hollywood. It's just j Law has taken all. Yeah, it's really true. But the fact of the matter is I don't I don't um. I don't hold her accountable for that. I think that's like the Hollywood system wanting her and everything.

And I think it's a testament to her talent that despite the fact that she is so miscast, these things work. I mean, I don't find her. I didn't think she transcended the miscasting though. That's my problems that I didn't

get old from her. And and but Matt just now talking about like you were being a case for her being an actress by saying, like, well, in Hunger Games she's so you know, so convincing or compelling, and her chemistry Bradley is so great and silver linings, but like that's not that feels like stardom to me, doing doing all the work. Well, here's what I'll say, And this is a conversation about like the act dress of it all. I think she's incredible and almost everything she does I

really do. But if she ever tried to do like a British accent, I think I'd be offended. I think I'd be really upset. I think I have to go away, and like Red Sparrow, that kind of flapped because I think I saw her Russian accent and I was like, see, I don't want to ruin it for myself. Whereas Emma Stone in the face, you would never know she wasn't British. There you go. So you're just then you're protecting your own perception of her. Then that's so bizarre. No, I'm

not protecting my own perception of her. I'm saying that we have a conversation on our hands here about do you have to be able to execute period work or accident in order to be considered an actress. No, no, no, no, No. One's saying that some people can't do it. Some people just simply don't have an ear for accents. And I'm so glad I'm not one of film. One of the first things I started doing when I act was to a perfect accents. And this is what I'm talking you

were doing. You were doing a huge Jackman impression on the Jesse David Fox episode where it was the lay Miss Future. You're doing a impression on him so bad, singing amazing, it's amazing. But I can do a good vocal impression of him do it from now on? That's good, I thought, murmur through the lens of Jackman. Yes, from now that's bad. Fact not be blinded by that. The Greatest Showman is the movie I will watch. I will go.

I will if we're in the middle of landing on the plane every single day, every single time I'm on a plane and I'm like, I don't have time to watch a full movie. We're going to be landing soon. I guess I will go to the Greatest Woman and watch. All the musical numbers came through Hugh Jackman, star actor both, I think probably both for more he can do it all, you can do it all, but more star than after I would say, yeah, I was super grady ground Yeah.

I guess we haven't really seen him in anything that would test like Logan is probably the biggest acting challenges he's had. I guess La Miss maybe counts, but that's still so. He was fantastic in La He was. He is a very good John alongside star and actress Anne

Absolutely absolutely. You watched devil Wares product again and you know, okay, so you need Andy to be and so they're doing like a musical version of it UM's Tub and and what I was thinking when I was watching the movie, I was I was like, I was a little worried about the musical because like Me and Girls the musical, the reason Me and Girls works is Lindsay Lohan is such a star, Like she's such a star that you follow her and she's a site for the whole time,

and she's narrating it and you're just like willing to hang out with her the whole time. And then I think, no Shade, but the Broadway musical, Like it's hard to especially watching musical and have this person you're following, like and now I'm going to that cavity. It's just like okay, and like you're watching it and at just doing it and you're like, where's Lindsay Whereas like with Devil Worse Product,

I think we're dealing with the same thing. With the musical, you have to really find the right person to play that lead part because Andy is not an easy part. You forget watching Couple Worse Product how fucking good and and she makes that movie work. And of course, like Meryl Streep gets all the credit because she's so amazing and iconic, and I would even go as far as

to say one of her best roles. And then us fags are always like Emily Blont, Emily Blont, Emily Blunt, but Ann gets lost in that movie and the conversation star and actor Emily Blunt. I think, I actually think to be an action in any sort of action movie, you've got to be a little bit of a star. And I think Emily Blunt is maybe one of the like closest things we had for a minute to a

female action star. Her and Scarlett Tomorrow. Tomorrow is so good, She's so good, you can't conversation Scarlett is that we had for many years. And then it kind of like her Angelina is like sort of um, you know, her disciples I guess were like Scarlett and then Emily there for a minute with Edge of Tomorrow. And also, wasn't there something else I guess like don't don't speak or

don't whisper, don't be quiet? Wasn't she a looper? Looper? Yes, looper, because there was rumors for a while that she was. She was don't speak, don't actually it's really culture number forty nine, don't speak, don't whisper, But there was rumors that she was going to be Captain Marvel, and I think she would have been amazing. Well, she was supposed to be black widow. Really, yes, okay, this is iconic.

She was supposed and then hurt herself or she either hurt herself or there was a scheduling thing that she couldn't do it, and then they cast scar Joe. That's see, that's that's so sad, because she could pull off the Red in a way that scar Joe never could pull off that Red. I think scar Joe looks good in The Red. I think she always there's a reason they

let her be blonde in these last installments. Yeah, they like literally the character is called black widow, iconic redhead, and for the last three movies they're like, yeah, you can be blond you ever. I think she she first appeared an Iron Man too, I believe, and her part is literally wordless, like she was there just to look hot. And she has one scene where, yeah, she has one scene where she like sucks people up, and I remember thinking in the audience like, holy shit, like this person

is something else. And but they gave her truly no dialogue, and so to watch the progression of her having no Dialogue and Iron Man too, and all these years passing in them all getting their own projects and owned movies and even like all this ship and for them to only announce just now that she's getting Black Widow. It's wild, it's crazy. She's by far the most compelling parts of those movies from I can't you know what I can't

wait for? It is the the the uh Elizabeth Olsen and Paul Bettany too hander that what how are those two going to carry a movie? You know? I don't know, um, But Natalie being like just coming back kimming, being an action star, I think would be very if she like fully leaned into Annihilation totally amously Star Wars. She did not handle a blaster, you know what I mean? You can tell. You can always tell with Natalie though it's right behind the eyes, she's like, I don't want to

be doing that. Well, I literally think, Actually, it's interesting you say that, because I think with Natalie Portman, you literally can tell when she thinks the material is dumb. You can when Natalie Portman is trying, it's a different thing than when she's not. That's so true. She needs a good director and someone she trusts and seen partners she likes because when you are watching her, she doesn't

want to be there. I don't want to be there, right, No, like in Star Wars, she's barely awake, you know, just she's like, you can tell she thinks Anderson Anderson Cooper. You can tell she thinks Ashton Kutcher is the dumbest man alive. Even in the Thorn movies. Yeah, she's phoning it in. Yeah. Fully, I wonder how much she'll give female thor. I think she will. Hopefully she'll have fun comic And she was a little bit like, I don't

think she'd come back. I don't think she'd come back because if she didn't really want to, I really don't. But man, those that that is the thing about that, That the whole series of movies is they just pulling these A list women and waste like Rachel McAdams and doctor Strange. Do you remember, no? Of course not, of course not that sucks. If we were talking, were you there,

We were talking about Rachel McAdams a lot. I mean we've I feel like we always talk about Rachel McAdams and need to rescue her from her current agents and get her better agents because there should be a bit she should be everywhere. We were talking about how like there was a moment in time where she absolutely was going to be, Like there was amin Yeah, there was like a like a solid couple of years there where we were positive that the next stars of romantic comedies

we're gonna be Rachel McAdams and Katherine Heigl. And I think two different things. Katherine Heigel turned out to be difficult whatever, like that narrative solidified and then it was just too much. And Rachel McAdams, I just think bad luck, bad decisions, like always kind of be in like fourth or fifth on everyone's list, you know what I mean, just someone who got lost, who is so good because you think about mean girls, The Notebook, Family Stone, Wedding Crashers,

Red Eye. Can you imagine? Actually that's not a bad five, it's can you imagine being a those? My God? And also such versatil what the versubtility that that has? U? God? Just her? Yeah? Those? I mean yeah, but part of me is like I'm watching her in interviews now, where as like recently she was doing press for something and I was like, she just seems like chilled out, and she's probably like not too thirsty. Yeah, maybe that's it.

I think that may be part of it is she's like, I don't want to do that much, which is which I respected in mind. I get that that that's me, that's me. That's why. Actually, that's why you don't see me everywhere, because I said, because I don't want to do I don't want to do too much. For a moment there, Joel was going to be, you know, the next I can't wait for. I truly I can't wait for Joel to lead a rom com. Though I can't wait.

I don't know if it'll ever. I think if you know what, and we love Billy, we love but if Billy can lead like a Jett m I feel like that's going to open a door maybe for some people. And Joel is gonna fuck Paul bet me, Oh my god, I would love I actually met him. I think he's hot, he's got he's got hot energy, and that's what you don't need to be hot, you just need to have hot energy. And that I'm very susceptible to that. Like

I that's why I like, I don't like. Apps have never been the best place for me to find my favorite kind of sexual partners because I'm so much like I need the energy in the room. So you have self tape with me. You got to come into the

buzz in, take the elevator up to sign in. Yes, and I might need to say to do it again, yeah, because like there are so many people that I like where I'd be like if I saw pictures of you, I would be like no. Honestly, sometimes I've had some of the hottest like hookups of my life with people who I was like, not necessarily super like on the on the basis of the way they look like super attracted to them, and then like whether it was like a certain I don't know. It's like sexuality is like

it's a chemical vibe. Sometimes I'll be smelling someone and it is pheromones. Because there was a guy on on Fire Island where I was like sort of you know, like testing the water, seeing my options, and he was not the hottest one, but like for some reason it was like a chemical things like this is the one to have them. I had to you know what. I think the reverse is true for me too. By the way, I don't think I test. I think just pictures alone. No, no,

But once once you get me in the room. Once you get in the room with Stoll, he has a book. I book, I book, I book, I book, I will I book, I book. Well above my weight class, I think, I do. I do. God, I think that guys would never look at me online or swipe I have, I have, and and it it's I need to be in the room with them. And that's it. I think, down my leg and then get me in the room. That is that is becoming less and less true as time goes on.

You know what it is? That is maybe possible. But the thing is is like people, you know, I still walk into I walked into plenty of parties on Fire Island where everyone looked and just was like you don't belong here, And like I think that will always be the case no matter what I look like. And I have just sort of let it go. I've let it go. I let it go. This trip, Joel and I went to Pine's party with with Joel Brooklyn and Joel justin

Dean and truly so fun. And I think it was fun because we stuck together because I after the first like forty five minutes of walking to that party, was like, you know what, I'm not getting any vibes for anybody. And also I don't think that's what the night is about. And I'm going to let that go and just like I'm not gonna like, that's not what this is and I'm just here with my friends and that's going to be it. And it was truly like a joy story's

time when we watched the damn sunrise. We watched the damn sunrise on the fucking beach honestly hot, so cool it was, it was, and we like and we did, we did. We did the very you know, molly thing of just whatever. We just like pulled each other close, Joel and I and just constantly would just like say, like the most earnest ship in the world. It was very beautiful. It was beautiful. It was almost and that's

like that is that is the most molly thing. The second most molly thing is me trying to shove my molly flaccid dick into butts, like just like folding it up and like trying to make it happen, pizza roll and just trying to get it in likeying to make it happen, and it just never squeeze from the base. And then that gives you more girth up, doctor Yang over here, base squeeze from the base. That's title about um.

Oh my god. Of course the third most molly thing is right after you take it and it hits you shoot your pants. Well that's if you get it cut with a little bit less meth. Know, Oh my god, it's the math that makes you shi is there methinite? Oh? I don't know that there exists molly on that we're taking right now that doesn't have a little bit of meth. Okay, you can get a test hit though, Everybody, what do you know that we don't about this math? I'm sorry.

I is the first time I'm learning about this meth in the molly all cut with like different, it's not we're not getting I don't think it exists. Maybe in Spain, in Spain where they grow it, where they where it grows on trees. Yeah, I have a Molley tree in my backyard in Barcelona. Sorry, sorry, thank you Noah Galvin for that pronunciation. In book Smart, I'm seeing him in waitress.

Oh my god, he's a waitress. Yeah. I didn't know this either, but Dar was telling me we're going on Tuesday to see waitress and don't that name sleep that name out. You cut this interrogation. Um, we're going to see waitress playing in waitress. I don't know. I guess like one of the guys who like sings a couple of songs that famous rule. I think I think he's playing. I think he's filling in for Kimmy goes part Art has not been in the show. It's been like the

first three weeks, Kimmy go what she does? I feel like I'm not seeing way just at the right time though, because well, it's Shana. Is it Shoshana Bean right now? Yeah? Oh yeah, you already see Shanna, but most the right not the right time perform because I didn't know. Wait, are we positive that it's Shoshana right now? I think I believe it. I'm going to look it up because

that's not the intel. By the way, speaking of mean girls are made from like Adams, I just have to shout out Taylor Louderman, who played Regina, who's playing Regina until September six. By the time this episode comes out, it'll be rene rap of Jimmy's fame. M Taylor Lauderman saw her recently do this thing for work, and I was just like fell head over heels in love. I

haven't seen me girl. She's amazing and she's she and the thing is is and I'm not sure if it's a product of the writing or just how it turned out, but she is this like it makes the whole show sort of about her, about Regina. She's so good. And they tweaked her ark Regina's ark in the show a little bit more, and it really does sort of everything sort of revolves around. That's pretty cool. That's an interesting thing. But I just want to say, Taylor Lowderman, I'm in love.

If you remember me, please, I will be my friend. I will be seeing Alison Lough and the role of Jenna taking over Froshana Bean. She is also a former alphabet. We love them. I mean, look, she used any used to be um. But I famously like to see a good old fashioned character actress on stage. Colin I were color school that I were talking about how we were going on this round about how like pretending to be

this like fifty year old man from like Michigan. That's like, I don't want to see some star in the role. That's not why I come from New York. I come from New York to see a good old fashioned character. I want to see a union woman on that stage acting or hard out. That's why you come to New York. Oh my god, that's beautiful. That was just a funny bit. Cole Skola on Fire Island is the most beautiful thing, joyful. So I mean, just wow, I love How are we did?

We should be checking really quickly about about our trips, how to go okay, oh we don't have to do and like it was good. It was Fire Island every year. It's every year it's a chiller and chiller and I'm just like, I'm just here. It was not a chill experience for me this year, but it was because your

phone broken shd. Yeah, I felt truly cuckoo. Because well, I also flew back to l A on Friday, which is then really back to Fire Island, chartered your own boat I hired about to get me off that island in time and you and you benefited you absolutely so can you tell the story of why you needed to leave? Because I had a table read for NBC Sunnyside and they could not They weirdly would not move it to

accommodate my vacation. And so you the fourth lead and I and I was like, well, I guess I'm not gonna and and and and a reasonable person would have looked at their schedule and said, just go on Saturday. Just go on Saturday. Because what I did is I flew into New York on Wednesday. I went to Fire

Island on Thursday. I flew back to l A on Friday and then flew and then landed in l A at one pm, turned around at eight thirty pm, and flew back to New York and then went straight from It was in a red eye flight, got off the plane, jumped back on the train, headed out to the ferry, and I was back on Fire Island by ten am. Cool cool, um it was, but you know what, it was honestly worth it. That Thursday night was very fun for me. Uh what was Thursday? What happened Thursday? I

don't know. I was just fucked up the entire time. And then UM made it to the table read it was so I'm very excited um for that. And then Saturday was great. And then not two hours after I arrived back to fire around them on Saturday, my phone drowned in a pool. Um and I was without a phone from Saturday till yesterday Thursday, and I have to say it made me feel It truly made me feel ten times crazier. It didn't seem like the lack of

a phone was bothering, you know. It wasn't. It wasn't, it wasn't actively But the only time I noticed that I did not have a phone is when I was waiting in line for the bathroom because there was like here, Yeah, um, I couldn't be without my not even photo moments, not even like I want to take a picture of that. We'll see. That's the other thing is that I am sad that I didn't get to make everyone jealous about

my vacation. There are so many, so many terrible Instagram stories that were missed out on so many photos, um that that didn't get taken. Um. But yeah, it just because I was like usually like I'm able to like sort of take a dip back into real life while I'm on vacation, and I forced me really not be

able to. And I, um, I mean, the big thing I realized is that I have nothing interesting to say that I like was like I was finally back with my phone yesterday and I was like, now I can finally tweet all of those great thoughts that I had on I didn't have a single interesting thought on the island, not one, And I guess that's good interesting thought on vacation.

I recently, I wouldn't have been able to survive. I recently looked at my phone and I put that thing on that's like tells you how much hours you spend on your phone. I'm embarrassed to say that I spend the fucking message told me that I spent over average over eight hours of phone today. I think that's pretty normal for people like us. I do. It's so crazy. I probably am on my phone longer than I'm sleeping.

But also it's not like you're on one continuous eight hour streak with you know, I just get nervous that. Like I'm around people and they're like, oh, that's the kind of person who's always on his phone. Well everybody. That is not an interesting observation anymore. Like people of er than us love to be like, you know, I saw these people, the whole table, millennials, all on their phone, and it's like, yeah, fuck you, it's not exceptional. It's

not exceptional. That's just now we're moving. I do wonder though, like I was just understimulated on Fire Island because of the lack of the phone, Like I wasn't being like constantly like and I think that in doubt, like yeah, just like scrolling through stuff. So I wonder, like, I wonder how that's affecting us to just like constantly be engaged and constantly be you know, um stimulated by information and memes and jokes and music all the time. I mean, yeah,

I think it's um damaging. Wow. But I you know what I did on Fire Island, and my thing with Fire Island is I actually don't love going not because of any like social or sexual thing. It's because I don't like to be sandy in my bed. Like there was a lot of sand shared a bed, sorry, and there was a lot of sand. Our only fans is dropping soon it's gonna be us sleeping next to each other, back back to back, like the the imask dedvisor on

and they're sand all over me. Um. But I apparently tracked a lot of sand back to the bed because it was really sandy. And I just don't like my when my feet are sandy. I just prefer something like Palm Springs where it's like pool culture. Here, here we go again. No, it's not the l a. Palm Springs fucking sucks. I totally disagree with you. Palm Strings fucking sucks. The restaurants are terribly you have to drive everywhere. I disagree. I just like, I mean, it's it's a matter of

like civilization versus seclusion. I love a beach. I need a beach. I see, I grew up with beaches. I passed on the beach. I passed on the beach. But what I was gonna say is one thing I did do that I never do is I went in the ocean. But it's always too cold. I'm very sensitive to cold. And I had a gorgeous experience in the ocean. I had an emotional experience. When we were tripping, Matt was Bonnie Bonnie. He was big little eyes, just like truly, like we were all like buyer blankets and we just

saw Matt down by the beach, like changing around. I had a lot to think about he did. He It was so funny and we and I was like, what song is playing in your head? And He's like, I'm not listening to any music in my head, and then later he came back. It's the Archer. It's the Archers. Literally, I was thinking about the Archer in my head. Been Um, I think that song is great. I think it is Out of the Woods Getaway Car part Trace, But I think it's just the worst version of those two songs.

You know. I think she's she's singing about something that I don't think she's really touched on before. And I think, like it's not really touched on in music, maybe hasn't been lyrically touched on in a while. Never heard it. Yeah, No, it's just like, um, like I have the capacity to hurt, and I've been hurt. Like I love that idea, Like I just think that there's such a there's so much lyrically in it, Like I think like it's I really

like that it never drops. Actually the first time I heard it, I was like, it never like there's no drop, It never becomes something you can like really feel in a deeper way. But I actually disagree with that now because I kind of like this the way that it ends with a sense of like calm, you know what I mean. It's kind of like the story of like you made someone and then maybe like it doesn't have to be like it as difficult as it's always been,

you know what I mean. Like, I think that's kind of nice, and I think that's I appreciate, like a lyrical simplicity like that, or just not even lyrical simplicity. I don't think it's lyrical lyrically simple, but just that kind of like um, melodically, it's very kind of straightforward, and I think it's kind of nice. And I appreciate that she released it in advance of the album because I think that if I have a feeling, the album

will be more like that. And by the time that this episode is out, the album will be out and the jury will be out. The jury will be out, but I think Drewy won't be out. Oh yeah, yeah, they'll come back. The foreman will say Hi. Max. Twitter did santage rot show called Taggart Lawyer's at Law and they have Eliza her What's playing the foreman. So it's just the courtroom drama. But they have Eliza What's playing the foreman. She just the writing is so good. She goes, hi, Um,

I'm the leader of the group. You might remember me anyway, Um, we've made our decision Um, we just want to say that both sides give an amazing performance, like gave it amazing performance. Speaking of courtrooms and amazing performances, you guys got to check out I Love You Now dieing about that. It's an HBO doc It's a two hour, two part doc um and it is about this case in Massachusetts that girl who told her texted her boyfriend for yourself and then he did and yes, I remember the stent.

They charged her with manslaughter. Um. And it is this case and they do such a good job because in the first hour you're like, get her, but then they make her sympathetic, and then in the second hour you're like, wait a minute, no one here, it was guilty. Um,

how do they do that? The relationship between her and the boyfriend and how it fucked up it is, Yeah, And it is just like this example of the state needing to criminalize this thing in order to sort of like sort of ring a win out of a tragic situation. And we don't this none, none of it needed to be criminal, you know, like it shouldn't have been punitive, like she needs treatment. It was just so it's tragic, and Liam Michelle is prominently featured in the second half,

and she booked, she booked. Wait wait I thought it was a documentary. It is, but Liam Michell she booked what She's the Janine Pierre of this. I gotta say, you just have to watch it. And and Liam Michelle is in it, and she acted, she is acting in it what she is she is acting. Okay, I'm end from I'm not gonna say I'm not going to spoil it for the people who who I love you now Diet on HBO. You question today, Um, speaking of great performances in courtrooms, you guys got to check out big

a little. You guys have to check a little. Well. The thing that Matt he was doing now is when like sometimes I will be pouty or whatever and will be like, what's wrong, or Matt will just like force He'll force me to He'll force me to be like social or amiable or whatever. I don't like the energy in this house, some dark energy and I don't And I grab your head and I go, mom, it's the crown that you're adding and to be to be clear

for for the reader. Um. When we when Matt came up with this bit, we really dug into how horrible that character. Yeah, no, for them to add another the only other black woman in the castle, which is shocking. It was so shocking when I I could not when she was sneaking those crystals into that room, I said, what are you doing? David E. Kelly? But literally it was like when you when the first episode that she's in,

and then there's that first there's the dinner scene. The dinner scene is iconic, so and the actress kills it. And so I was thinking to myself when I was watching that, I'm like, this is so crazy because this actress that's playing Bonnie's mother is absolutely slaying this part. But I wonder why they're not. They don't have like a big star in this part. So my theory is

Angela Basset or like Alfrey Wood. I bet they were out to all the fancy actresses and then they all were like, oh, I have one good scene and then she's a voodoo which and I'm in a coma from four episodes. Yeah no, I'm not doing this. I'm Angela Bassett. Yeah you know what I mean. Also, I don't know that that's what happened, And I'm actually happy that this actress booked depart because she at least got two episodes of good work, but she she was given not great material,

but she was amazing that. I just think that really was like I guess they needed something like that to happen so that the Zoe Kravitz Bonnie character get to the point where she said that to her husband and like bucked up and went to the police station. But it was like, I don't know this. I thought the first two or three episodes were great, and then they had like a really weak middle, and then the finale I thought was good. I haven't finished. You haven't finished.

I I fell behind and I looked at my c and I said, I would rather watch American Ninja Warrior right now than big little lies. And then when that happens, you really have to reconsider. You hate to hear it, you do. But the thing is, I just like wasn't engaged by the story. I kept being like, why did they lie? Like it is it is a set up at the end of the first season and you buy it and you're like, yes, okay, great, and then that you come they all come back and you're like, let's

think about this. Doesn't ring? Do you know how it ends? I don't. Do you want it? Can we talk about it? Or do you want to watch it? You're not gonna watch I'll watch it, watch it. I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to talk about something that I haven't actually seen. I want to. I don't wanna be forced to defend or um, you know, sort of condemn and ending that I haven't seen. Here's what I'll say. The way that it ends, and I'm

not going to say anything. The way that it ends made me feel like, oh, maybe we didn't need a second season m honestly, which is saying a lot, because it's like there were so many great moments and so many great performances, and it was just like the way that it ends. I was like, oh, I liked the ending that these characters had initially the first ending because to me, it's like there's a mixed message there, ye

and it's a little dark. Well, none of us are going to ever be booked for any Reese Witherspoon project. We all went in for the teacher that we all gave us nothing to the camp. I'm sorry. I literally gorgeous man, beautiful man. But I was just like, Okay, I could have done this better. We all could have. We all could yeah, I mean maybe he like, why no, I didn't see your guys tapes? Actually no, but Matt and I did, you and I record itself team No.

I didn't want to do that because we were going out for the same part and I didn't want us to copy each other. Right, But the thing is with you two, especially if you know that if they went with one or the other, it's completely different. Like the thing they wanted, well, the thing I just didn't. I don't know. I just I didn't want little like choices. I didn't want our choices to get confused. Okay, let's let's all do let's all three of us do the same line. Okay. The line is, what is the moral

of Charlotte's Web Where's Amabella? Okay? I know that's not the line, but like, what is the moral Charlotte's Where's Abella? Like, I'll go first, what is the moral of Charlotte's Well, Where's Amabella? Okay? That's okay, that's okay. I gotta think about this. M And for me, it's about the tempo, you know, at the tempo, of course, this is compelling to listen and you're own time, and you're own time. And what's the moral of Charlotte's Web? Where's the Amabella?

That's very good. I think that beats mine. Okay, Matt, And what is the moral? I'm Charlotte's Web? Where's Amabella? Wow? Listener, reader, you decide who books that? Please reach out. I thank you well. I think you went in a much different you know, a kid, we lost a kid. No, you know, it would have been the gag though, for any of us to do even a short scene with Nicole Kidman or Laura. That is true. There is a good honestly anybody. But honestly we we could have been in the room

when she said that line about buying everyone polar bears. Oh, I love that line. We could have been sitting there watching her deliver that's so good. Why are we bad and didn't book? I don't know. We're just not stars ractors. I think what happens is we're not six ft five beautiful models. And that is sort of the issue of my life. I mean, the same yours, just mine, not you guys. Don't struggle, No no, no, no, no, no, I don't struggle. Did you fell in love on the Island.

I did not follow in that on the Island, although I said this on the George Sveres episode. I was like, I'm gonna fall in love on Fire Island. Did not follow in the one. Well, I'm glad we got that update. Oh thank you, because what do you mean No, I mean if you said you were going to fall and

then you didn't, yeah, you know he didn't. There was I had a moment where that one guy, Oh, that one guy who just like but he like gave me a very like brotherly vibe because remember at the party, he was like, come here, and he just like pulls me in. It was like a camp counselor. I was. I was like, that's like the camp counselor I have a crush on. And then I was like and then I saw him at the pantry and I was like, I don't know. That's when I go to Fire Island

for platonic hugs. Platonic Well it was. It was a sexy hug and Joel saw and then Joel afterwards goes like, go for it, and I was like, I don't know. And then and then it just wasn't the right thing. I The thing is is like platonic sex is what I think my thirties evolved. I have not every new friend I've made in my thirties, I very platonic sexual partner platonic sex with and I think it's great. I think, yeah, like anyways, like people in my close group of friends,

does it sunk up intimacy for you? Though? Like it doesn't really doesn't. I find it to be like really really nice and special and it's actually made sex more special. And I have less sex um now because yeah, because I wanted to be because now I'm like have experienced it as like an intimate act of like you know, friendship and love of with a a person and want that. And yet I also don't think I ever, I don't think I I and you push back on this, I

don't think I want a boyfriend ever. Ever. I think I'm, I think I am. I am. I'm sort of coming into myself and realizing about myself that I am not somebody who I think I wanted. I forced myself to want it for so long, and I am so much happier right now being alone, and I think I will continue to be happier alone um rather than with one other human. Yes, yes, it's not that I was pushing back on it. It's that it's that it's you said. You said it of like I'm not meant to be

with someone I don't think, but well I don't. I mean, I am not disputing that you don't want a boyfriend right now. That's your choice to not want one. But I don't think that you're someone who's going to end up with without like a partner. I think that's the way you were saying. But I think that is true though, because I don't think I'm the kind of person who

has space for that. We've had We've had friends who and you included, Matt, who have sort of said this, have have sort of like expressed the sentiment in some form like I'm not going to be with someone for for the long feu for like the far future. I will not be with someone like like um, like I'm gonna say his name is completely But for the longest time I was like, no, never gonna have a boyfriend again.

And now it's like now like just based on this Vire Island trips, yeah, I'm starting to like actually date again. I don't know that that's gonna be it for me because I've always hated dating I and then then and I said this to you, the last three guys that I've had feelings for, like strong feelings for, strong romantic feelings for I have turned into a like a different person and not a person that I liked. And I always come out of it and look back on it and be like, who was that? I did not like

that person? I do not like myself when I'm in that mode, and I guess like until the day comes that I find somebody who I am my best self and who doesn't change you, and yeah, who doesn't like get in by me and like change me and like make me needy and jealous and like whatever whatever. I'm just not going to go for it. And I'm not looking. And this isn't even me trying to trick the universe, because I've tried that before too, of being like I

don't want it. I don't want to I don't want it, Okay, I said I don't want it, Please bring it into my life. I'm just like so happy like having a lot of these very like intimate sort of like friendships and it's and it's and it's feeling that it's like it's giving me everything that I need that you may find. Well,

I feel like I don't know that. I feel like every every time I've ever got infatuated with someone, I chemically become like a crazy person, like and I that's why I feel like those things that and maybe those things that you were feeling experiencing, we're just infatuation. And like when when you find like a sort of like I love feeling for someone, it will feel different. I mean, yeah, I wouldn't say that the things that I'm feeling right now for certain people that I like are not love feelings.

But I'm just like realizing the older I get that it's less important that I'm not that. I just don't know that I have space the space in my life, like I like to be alone and I dip in and out of it like I would like to. I would like to date a couple. I would like to be the non primary partner for two to separate people. God, you know, I would like to be the Alice and

Janny of their relationship. Best supporting actor. Come in, come in, give an amazing monologue, and you think you want more, but you don't right, Oh, but I always want more with he you think that, but you don't, but I don't. I had this thought last night where I was staying up until very late, like just working on writing, and I was just like what stop what? No. I was just thinking about something in relationship to my own situation, okay, and which I do want to talk about just very

very briefly. But um, I was like, if I had, if I had, like if I was sharing, if I was living with someone like a like a like a significant other, like this would suck and this would be hard, and I would have like go to the other room, Like that's stupid. You do that all the time that I mean, the fact of the matter is like I would go when I was living with Henry. I would go into the next room all the time. Yeah, but I just I'm I'm like drolling this way where I

just fucking love my alone time. So but you don't have to sacrifice your alone time to be with someone you do not. You simply don't. God. But like I've just been dating guy and we've talked about this. I've just been dating guys lately who have just been like so demanding of my time, and like I've had to put in I've had to for whatever reason, do the work to make them feel comfortable or to make them enjoy the experience. And I'm like, why am I doing

all the fucking work? I don't know anyway, but with Matt, because I remember, I mean like, of course, this is like fresh off your breakup with Well, the thing is like, I know what you're saying that, and I think what I said was I can't see myself putting that much energy into something because I know what it feels like to lose. It is like grieving a death. It is like going and it's it's hard and it hurts very bad.

I mean, Catherine Cohen says it, it's like having a best friend and then they it is I mean literally, it's like she says it as a joke like in her in her standard, but it's like it's so it's

actually so true. And the fact of the matter is like even people that you remain close with after your break up, like the relationship isn't the same, and over time it becomes you talk less and less and less and less to the point now where like, um, you don't see them much at all anymore, and you're still close.

But it's like I was thinking the other day, like, uh, there's it's it's almost like a two and a half year relationship that kind of just happened, and I almost like it's hard for me to almost recall the details of it. I remember it in like broad emotional strokes, but I think, like honestly, like as amazing as it was when it was, Like the trauma of losing it like gets you to say things like I'm never doing that again because likely relationships will end, you know what

I mean. Like, so it's it's hard, and it's like you do have to kind of like combat. It is like kind of going into like battle to do that. Like it's just hard. But I do think that if you stumble upon a situation where it's like two people willing to like try to do that, like you would owe it to yourself to to to try to see that happen. And I just feel like I just feel bad for people who, um not you guys. I'm not saying you guys. I feel bad for people who who you. Like.

I've been in situations where I've presented like that I like someone to someone else and I've just watched them like completely shut down, and I'm like, wow, I hope that this is like something that you I hope this is something that works for you and you're okay with and not something that you're actively sad about. Because I like some people that I'm not like, no, not you're

not you're not you'. I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about guys that I've dealt where it's like we'll have like an amazing like first situation together, or like it'll be very promising, and then I'll just get this sense, especially with gay men, where it's just like they want to run so fast from like intimacy, and it's like I don't want to be like that, and I wouldn't want to be with something like that because you have

to work at them. My problem is oftentimes when someone when someone translates to me that they have like emotional issues, like I do the thing where it's like, oh, I should help, I will be the answer here. It's it's been such a pattern and so like it's been nice. It's just been nice for that to not be the case. That can be needy. I can be, but it's so funny. You know what's funny about Ariana Grande's album that the thank You Next album is the first one is there's Imagine,

then Needy then NASA. So needy is like I can be needy, Like if you don't talk to back, I'm gonna act crazy, like don't tell me. So that is I feel that way. I mean, there's never a right answer. There's That is such a twentysomething album, Tim Platt coin this term like it's a twenty something. I'm like Beach Boys.

Pet Sounds is a twenty something album where it's like pining and then like distancing and like truly or like vassily between all these crazy extremes and I feel like that, like the thinking next is like generationally, Like it's such a It's just so funny because like the two sentiments are literally opposite, but they're both great songs and they both work, and I both think they literally explain those situations well. And we contain multitudes, and we sure do

contains contains multitude. This is the kind of thing that was. Like when I'm in a relationship, I am very tactile and very like, I'm not possessive, but I am like I like to be touching the person and I like to be like on top of them and like giving them kisses and stuff, and I love to cuddle at night. And then also there's another part of me that's like, I can't talk to you for twenty four hours. Yeah, I'm the same at the drop of a hat. Yep,

ye same. Wow. That's why I feel almost happy that like the person I'm seeing now, like we have had realized that it was like a thing, and then we're immediately separated across the country. That's actually how dangerous though

I don't emotionally dangerous because I out of here. I think it is because you when you live out the beginning stages of a relationship primarily over text at this stage, and it's different for in your situation is different because you have known this person for a while and you

started out from so it's different. But I will say that in general, when I have had these situations occur and you live out that relationship in text, you build a different person in your brain and you build up, you know, this like tethered version of who they actually are in your brain, and then you get to them and it is and it all falls apart. That's happy, and that's happened recently. I get that. I mean, I

hear that. I think that your situation is. We also speak on the phone a lot more than I've ever talked to anyone on the phone. He does love to call people on the phone. You're not unique. It's fine that I'm not unique. I just I'm not a phone person. But I will be for like someone that needs that. But I am not a phone person, and I am not a FaceTime person. Oh I'm a FaceTime face. I

constantly FaceTime both of you. You don't FaceTime me of you, both of you, and I see you see it unavailable, unavailable. The last you FaceTime thrice a year. Bit that is not true. Yes, that is not true. Every single time I am care of a big facetimer. We facetimes a couple of times. You need a FaceTime. The last time you FaceTime me was when we were in Palm Springs

and you were in Mexican Mexico can. Oh. But Joel and I a few months ago tried face timing a group FaceTime what you can do now, which truly see, I've never done it like since that. But like that was just you and me, and like we needed more people to make it feel like an actual experience. We need to do this. I've group facetimed a lot of people that are in the same bar, just like trying to find everybody. That's so it's not effective. It would be better to text um, but I just love to

FaceTime and you guys don't answer. You never pick up my FaceTime. That's I've always picked up do you guys? Are you guys? Here? Here's the quest, here's a pole. Do you need to text the person first to let them know that you're about to face time? Okay? I never do No, I don't do that. Does it Does it increase your chance of them picking up? Though it's a set up, It's like setting up a meeting. It's like, okay, great, can I face time you in like ten minutes? I

faced I FaceTime with my my therapist. That's the only person if that's great. No, he's the only one appointments with. He's the only one that picks up. Dr Neil, Stop, this is better. I used your code when you my jingle is catching on? Is that an ad tracy? Did? Did I count as? You? Guys get money? Now? We get money now? Okay, I think it's time. I think it's time. No, you always forget I always forget. I actually forgot to. It's forgot. Wait, um, I have one,

I have one, I have one. Okay, this is um one second. This is I don't think so, honey. These is our second. When we take a minute to go off on something in culture, Matt, you'll start. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many times starts now, I don't think so, honey, Vincent van go Okay, dramatic bitch. Guess what. I have both my ears and I will become famous during my lifetime. Stupid poor I think that

you are not even the best painter. Okay, I think that there were other painters that were much better, like Jackson and Pollock. Excuse me, and he kept both his ears. Honey, Hey, I hope that you have at least one of your ears now, Vincent van Gogh, because hear me when I say I don't think so. When I see that photograph of starry Night, when I say your picture of night, I think, okay, there's some promise here which we could

have seen more. And then guess what we didn't. You are one portrait and one ear, and I think that you haven't even had a good movie made about you. Did William Dafoe play you? I don't even remember. I don't think so, honey. Vincent van Gogh more like Vincent van hell And that's one minute. That's that was a very good it really was. I like that, You're that was like Nanette. Honestly, that was like you hit a

lot of the same thematic beats as Nanette. Here's why because I looked over at the at the library and there was there was a biography on Vincent van go and I was like, I have mine. Okay, I'm gonna do mine on. I don't think so, honey, Randy shows and the band playing on it didn't play long enough. Oh yes, please, I don't think the band played on. Okay, wait, let's let's each one. I'm gonna do one off the bookshelf too. This is Bowen Yanks. I don't think so

his time starved me out. I don't think so many Sigmund Freud, bitch, what are you saying? Oh, dreams are the unconscious way of resolving conflicts that the consciousnes to. That are that are too disturbing for the conscious? Bitch? I knew that. I knew that first, I bet before I was even born. And when you were fucking in school in in in Austria. I don't even know your life, bitch, Get a better get a better life story, get a

better biography. All I know about you is that you think that all men want to suck their mothers, not if they're get everything about gay people. And I think he like, did you know whatever, Sigmund Freud. I truly slept through you in my high school psychology classes. I

don't give a ship and and psych. I didn't even take high school psychology, but we did a brief scheme of you in my philosophy class because I was that bitch who was thinking in abstract terms and not doing soft science bullshit while I was in junior year five seconds, I was doing hard sciences and philosophy because I was watch a renaissance Man and I be that's one minute. You didn't take a P psych, no bit, because I was. I was first of all on I by and I

was second of all. I was just like a P psych was was was like truly like the cop out a P. I'm sorry for all of my app You were so mean and nest. It was not it was not a real class. And I'm and people who took a P psych are underdeveloped people who will never realize their pretending exactly. I got a five on a PC. Yeah, exact exactly what what are? What we are? At the AP scores, I got a five on a P PSYCH. I got a five on AP English Lit. I got a five on AP English Comp. I got a three

on AP Environmental Science. I got a two on AP American History. I got a two on AP European History, and that holy Piers two. Those are a lot of aps. I did okay on my toest scores. Never stop saying, oh came really clear. There's the the conversation keeps going and and let me just pull this up. Yeah, here's the thing, Like, if you asked me to stop singing, I'm not going to like that is I thought you were just going down to like kiss my shoe. Okay,

here's here's can we just talk about this. Yeah, Matt needs to stop singing. These are reviews that a meeting of las Culturesta's first one, Matt needs to stop singing, please stop. Next one, mattould keep singing. Title says it all. Next one, Matt should never stop singing? Uh music known Emoji's next one best podcast ever. Keep singing, stop talking about astrology. Next, keep singing and keep talking about community

is really engaging with each other on the reviews. And also we should say it's time for you all to write a review. If you haven't written one, please write a review. It really helps this out. And you know what iTunes is now that you know the podcast app has taken out the comedy charts. Yeah, why do they do that? Taking it all categories? They've lumped them all into one giant chart, right, Tracy Hot producer Tracy is she shook, still have a little Well, I don't understand

what they're doing, but I did notice that that was gone. Yes, but anyway, um, you know, the landscapes changing. But send us a nice review in a rating. We would love that. Um, Jewel, are you ready for one? Yeah? I'm not going to do the bookshelf thing. I just I am not facing the bookshelves um in a way. And I was going to do Michelle Alexander as a joke. Um, but that's that's that's tough territory, territory. I was gonna say the new gym crow, we don't need a new one on me.

But that's that was that was sort of the crux of UM, well let's hear what but you have something, Um, I think I have something. Yeah, this is DOLDKM boosters. I don't think so, honey. As time starts now, I don't think so honey. Culture podcasts that bank episodes, Okay, listen here. I do not need to hear about the met gallops three months later from people talking about it like it happened yesterday, because I know that it did

happen yesterday. And I know that some podcast so they split in one podcast host goes and lives on a different coast for several months and it makes it difficult for them to record episodes. But do not make that our problems. Figure it out, because we want to be able to talk about now. We want to be able to talk about the things that now. We want to be talking about our projects that are happening now. Okay, bitch.

We do not know to hear the months later and to know to know that there are things happening on the media, in the media, in the radio, people talking there are happening on the radio every day that we are not able to hear your takes on because they are banked to the high heavens, I do not think so, honey, record them and release them immediately. That's you know, it is famously rule culture number ten. Current events are happening as we speak, and um, it's it's very difficult to

not be able to cover this. You listen to myself speak about mar Rubles end game in Texas months after that, humiliating did you get did you get a bunch of hate? DM people people DM me me and saying your takes are old, so old, and to ask you about to ask you about the actress, and then listen to the episodes that were banked before and here you talk about it. Three humiliating, humiliating. Fine, you know what as a guest

host in your house, in your home? And are we going to do because I'm I am going, I'm moving? Are you are you going to fly get into a studio Los Angeles on your brakes? I will, I gotta say for some of my some of my brakes, I will be needing to go on vacation and not in a place that's lay Well, then what are we going to do not have episode? We Well, we can do what vacation? You can do? What Tony Newsom and entry t do, which is they'll do it sort of, one of them will do it over a phone. Now I'm

not doing one of us. Sounds garbled. No, you should find I figure at the studio because like you can do recordings, you can each go into like a studio and it sounds seamless. But there's something about and look, this is it. This is this is testing, this is this is needing to be in the room to book, something about being in the same room as us when we're with our guests. I'm telling you right now, I'm

not doing a phone thing. You hear that, Tracy, I'm not doing it, and Bowen will have to boone will have to um, okay, Tracy knows, Tracy will Tracy will propose something absolutely well. I guess we'll get a proposal after this. But Bowen Yang does not need to go on vacation for two weeks. During his breaks. He can come for a little bit and then we can make a compromise him. I've been yeah, whatever, you've been what I've been working NonStop for the past. Then you can

go on. You can go on a five or six day break and then one of them and then one day you can come to Los Angeles and record episodes with me, but then we'd still be banking it Like this just still doesn't solve the problem, my problem. It wouldn't be aggressive banking. It would be re record three episodes or so, and then by the time there's another break, then I go to New York and do it with you.

That's how that works. It's called compromise. There's something about like a culture podcast talking about culture that's happening as it happens, right, but what are you what? What is the thing that you're expressing as the solution to this? Honestly a supplement where you and I go on Instagram

Live together. That's not the podcast that's Instagram Live. So it looks it feels like you are the one that's stopping, or it feels like Joel has really thrown a fucking wrench into this, and it's like, because I you know what, Joel, maybe maybe because we'll both be in l A, we can just do last culture together. Everyone and iron interchangeable.

Oh my god. The first night, the first night on this Asian man a person of color has numerous literally taught me on the shoulder while Bowen was stepped away from me and said Bowen and I said no, and then he said Bowen Yang and I said no, and then he said, yes, you are as though I were trying to be like demure and lie about my identity as bow and Yang and I said no, I'm not. And he's like, oh, you look just like him, and

then walked away. Unbelievable, and then before a prominent Asian person in the media, and yeah, you know, I need to apologize. I sent them a dressing down in an email that was wild. But what you should have done is you should have turned him around and and and then he would have been like I should have said technical strange. Honestly I should I should have. I should have been like, no, honey, that's bow and Yang. Yeah,

that's who you. And then I would have without keeping a beat, gone and that's Joel Kim Booster and bitch, who are you? Who are you? Oh my god, that would have hurt. I'm gonna say this, I give both of you my blessing. Um, I want a stepping down. I just want to say to all the all the listeners out there, Bowen Yang would rather go on vacation than make sure that he was here for the podcast with you. And that's literally what he's saying. He's saying,

candid over to Joe Kim, That's what he's saying. I think I think it would it would be it would elevate the dialogue, it would elevate everything. Um, you know, the public victim narrative here, we know being a victim, morose of it all, Bonnie, I don't like the energy in this house at all. God, this dark energy. I simply won't have the time because I will announce now because by the time this comes out, it will be announced that Mitri, Joe, Harry and I are doing our

own podcast, Urgent Care. It is a colony of Vice show. That's right, Joel and Mitra are on your Wolf. That does not mean that you can't be on our pod, because I'll need to have episodes. I mean, the people need the episode. This is not for you, This is it's very much for me, I for your listenership. The co mingling extended universe of Elsie, which also reaches out into Earwolf territory as Elsie seek treatment. Is this racist

and soon or don't care? I think those the hosts, they are going to be like just a little swinging doors for everybody. Tracy is making a face because we all know it's not true. You are going to come and record episodes of me or I'll come to you. That is what will happen. But we're still banking episodes. It doesn't matter their episodes are good. It's Joel sam is stupid. Joel Joel so dumb. No, I mean you banked Betty Gilbin episode and it was very good. You

managed to get on top of Maryann like. Yes, we've been doing a great job except except what except except now? But we're making it a point to release this. You please watch Sunnyside tomorrow tomorrow night. Oh my god, it's nuts. I'm actually scared because this is the first time I'll be shooting something while it's airing, and I'm afraid. I'm afraid that it will influence Well, don't watch it, That's what I would say. That's what's ever watched yourself? Ever? Ever,

you've never seen it. I don't know if I can I know I can do that. I don't know if I could have this. Yeah, I can do it. I can do it, but I probably couldn't either. I'm too nice. But you know what, don't look at like reviews or don't look at ratings. That'll be really hard. I'm gonna have to stay off. If someone can tell you, like to have me look it up for you. Okay, great, I will. I will be happy to do. We close every episode with a song. Yeah I'm tech mold the

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