"Spooky Authenticity" (w/ Greta Titelman)

to the author of boy or Race. Could you even of the imagine he wrote the book Boy Race, and it was very gay in here because the moment boy a Race came up. You know that Nicole Nicole Kidman's wig was not far behind Nicole Kidman's wig, which is

basically Troy Savant's hair. Wow. In many ways, that is rule of culture, Nicole Kidman's wig and hair in ways choice Evon's hair down when it's like when he's just blown it out himself and it's and he did one of these like he shepherded it down like a fall, like a waterfall. Did you know that his song from the movie Boy Race is getting Oscar buzz and it's unfair that he also did a cover of some Somebody to Love for Bohemian Rhapsody. It's not fair someone someone

who's not fair. And I'm going to see Bohemian Rhapsody this evening. Yes you are. Now. When I say this evening, I mean and literally this will have happened a month ago. We have backlogging, honey, we're podcasting terms, so we're recording this November four. We don't so yeah, I mean, this is a real time capsule, pre election, pre mid terms. And here's the thing. It's not even like I have to find out if Bohemian Rhapsody is bad when I

see it tonight, I literally know it's bad. Have you seen this video of Ramy Malich just with I mean, listen, celebrities get poked and proud of all the time. But there's this is done, I know it. But there's this thing. There's this thing of um this this video on Twitter of this sweet person being like just taking a little selfie video with Romie and then she goes, can you

say hi to my friend Jill? And he goes, no, I'm not gonna no, I'm not going to you said we'd take a picture now like just is I can't recreate it, but like I don't know what he's like, but I'm going to say something crazy seems on the spectrum to me. Oh okay, interesting, I think it's I think it's wonderful. Yes, it's wonderful. He um his his whole thing within these press junkets about but he obviously

when he's being confronted. I think them, you know who confronted him into the Ladies of the View, the Ladies of the View. He was on the vie this this last week, and what do they say? And they said Booby Goldberg herself asked the question at she rarely asked questions. It's true of culture number rarely asked questions on the View. Um, but she literally was like, you know he was homosexual and this it was glazed over in the film, and you know he's amously died of AIDS. Was like, you know,

it's not glazed over. Actually no one knows this, but his longest relationship, um was with a woman. And you know, she find out that he was bisexual or you know, gay, And I was like, honey, you are making every real mistake by now. Yeah, he's who knows but on the spectrum maybe which is which is beautiful love, that love, that embrace, that embrace that you know who else we embraced. I embrace our guests with two arms of love, both

arms that I have, both arms that you have. I think she is like a true icon both communically aesthetically lifestyle. I was gonna say lifestyle if there's a person in my life who will have a brand that is like women everywhere and end gay men, but truly, like I mean, just all encompassing, holistic lifestyle. This is this is our guest, you know whose life she changed, and this person is her life does not off changed? Sudi Suti, Like, really, well,

she's a Greta lover. Many people are Greta lovers. I'm a Greta lover. Changes grati changes lives. Okay, let's bring her and mean, what are the credits? I mean? She is one of the co hosts of Lady Levin, popular podcast with Low Bosworth and jil Jillian Hendrix Um and she might mendure off and do her own problems. Watch this space, as they say, watch the Space, um and she is just hosts incredible shows coast to coast. Truly truly like just one of the most visible people out

there and prolific, prolific. That's what I meant to say, and you better follow on Insto Gertie Gertie Bird and oh my god, she she's just the light in this world that we love. My um greatest joy is when she texts me and tells me she's going to be in town. That's great. I just I throw down everything that's in my hands and I say, that's fucking great.

And I guess I'll just wait for her to come out, Come out, Come on by, walk on back, welcome sign a start of the song, Let's please welcome our guests. Grant titleman, No nicer things have ever been said about me ever in my life. I'm being serious, beautiful thing. You carry the light. I carry the light. Carry the light. You know how I learned that expression. Oprah Winfrey said to Andy Cohen, you carry the light, and he was like,

thank you. I can die now, know you really, you guys really said such beautiful things about me, you know, as well as like performers and people, you know, you get so insecure and anxious about like what other people think of you, and like I'm constantly looking at instagramming like this person hates me, this person things I'm dub person.

It's just like so constant. So when you hear that from because I love and admire both of you so much, so hearing you guys say those things that I think, no I do, you know, but you know what I mean, it's like we're also in our heads also thinking about ourselves, and we're so like narcissistic that like every single time I look at something, I'm like, well, they don't like me, nothing to do with me. It's like a baby and

I'm like, I'm not baby. That baby will have no idea who I am because their owner won't talk about It's been the way that social media gets all in our heads. It's been a strong theme on the pod. It's um, yeah, I mean it's I think I think we were We have this fun generation of like homegrown narcissism where it's just like, oh, like we may might not have been this like self absorbed with our like just if if it weren't for just these horrible like these like what what a crazy notion to look at

someone and be like, well they hate me. Yeah, no, it's crazy, but see I feel like that has existed forever, you know. And there are ways that our parents generation were so narcissistic too, in ways you know, Oh yeah, they would spit shine their mustangs and drive out to the drive, drive through theater, honey and greatly and degree jacking off from the car. And they all had something to prove. They're all lawyers, they're all doctors. They're all

doing something to get that American dreams. And who's gonna get there first? And now lawyers and doctors are obsolete and never nowhere to be. Keep on looking for one, And I'm like, hello, hello lawyer, And then I'm just on Instagram saying who here is a doctor? You just quote Taylor spect get a good lawyer. You didn't hear about this when she did her questions? Oh yeah, what's her advice for a singer coming up? She turns back and throws a cold look over her shoulders and goes,

get a good lawyer? Can we talk about Taylor quickly? Quickly for a long time? Whatever? Has she turned a leaf in your book? Like? How are your feeling? Positive? And good? Guys talked about this. Well here we have a history with Taylor. We have a history with Taylor, um mine is a little bit more like up and down, up and down. But I think with this recent turn, um, I just spent like that the whole week after she

posted that endorsement Instagram, which was crazy. It was it was it was insane, the fact that two sixty five thousand people just started across the country in a day or something. And we should say we are recording this two days before the midterm, so we do not know how everything turned out, but right now it looks like

Tennessee is still competitive. Ish yes, Phil president um, but it's just it's it's great and like I so then I spent that whole week afterwards just like being like, finally I can listen to her, because I like really really didn't. I swore her off for a while. I swore her off for a very long time. And I loved Taylor Swift's first album. Our song is one of my favorite song god and like half of them, which is crazy. She Yeah, that last song on her first

time was like sing halleluyah. She's like now she's like I am the Queen of snakes, the dominating demon. She's giving me very Sabrina, Sabrina, Yes, it is Sabrina. Wow, she really snatched New Sabrina's thunder. I find that a lot like something happens with pop stars where I feel like they all need to go through a spooky face where they're like, I am done being this good girl. Now I need to be spooky. So like Christina was spooky with Dirty, Brittany was spooky with Blackout, which is

my favorite album. Kelly had a exactly you bought to get spooky after you know what it is. It's after you hit your top imperial face. That's when you because that's when you're the most unhappy. Yeah, that's true. I think it is. But there's some pop stars. I think Gaga had her spooky face during her imperiod. She was always spooky. She was she was the capitalized on spooky. She did spooky and immortal avant guard attempt of spooky. They're just angsty spooky. You know, there are different kinds

of spook. See, none of these girls lived inside spooky, so they were able to visit temperary spooky came from the spook. What would you say is Beyonce's spooky. I think Beyonce's Sasha Fierce is the spooky side of Beyonce. I also think when she was going through like the whole Um Diva, I think was a spooky moment for her. Well wait, now that I'm thinking about it, though, I feel lemonaded her A lot of a lot of Beyonce and a lot of Lemonade is scary. Or maybe I

was just too high. No, I was scary. The visuals were scary. They were when when it's like slowly going down that hallway before um, before that, before a six inch, It's like slowly going down the hallway, and I'm like, Okay, something's popping out. But like we should all want to go through a spooky phase because that's when you know you've made it. I think we have you been through? Have we all been through? Spooky face? Okay, Matt, Matt,

just okay, huge news everyone. Matt just changed his hair color from this Robert Redford blonde back to a dark, dark brown. It's been since I love college. Thank you. I really like it to see. I think that the blonde was a spooky phase for you. That was it was. It was what three weeks. It washed me out like a ghost. It also gave me real Riverdale like Tina horror. Everyone kept telling me. I like app and I was like, I mean, god, bless you, Like I created a story

you did, Wait tell the storyline that you created. I was DM man, I was like this hair, he like he goes back to Riverdale. He comes back. Yes, and he's like, I'm here. And then that was like, oh, and you're my sister. And I'm like, yeah, there's a sexual and we have a weird sexual thing. Isn't incestuous? We don't know, very cruel intentions type thing. And then we started do we started druggring, we start some kind of illegal Yeah, we definitely have like some illegal dealings.

Maybe we just like sell bags illegally or something like that. I said, I think both of our characters only one season. How we go? You two are the Alfree Wodard of of the Verde world. I think little spec script for that. I want to write the spec script. Yeah, Alfree Wardard was the spooky face of Desperate Housewives, sorry spooky face. You know who was on my plane? Victoria what's her

face from? From No fucking Wish? From Real House's Orange County? Yes, Vicky from from Yes and I saw her and Vicky Galvinson Vinson yeah, right right. And I was expecting her face to look very spooky, because it does in the show look psychotic. And I will admit I am not a real Housewives watcher myself, but I know because she is that she is the first, she has the original house and she right right, like I was sort of sorry to describe this way long face. Yes she was.

She was one who's crying when we were watching an upstate. Yes, yes, she went out constantly, constantly, and it was like unclear as to everyone else to watch, like, why is Vicky crying? Yes? I know exactly. We're talking. Great, she does have like a down she looks normal. Dare I say? She looked not spooky turned out? And you think they're going to be a spook They're not the spookiest person I've ever seen. Oh I've seen? Are you kidding me? In New York

you see like nine spooky people. Well maybe that's because I'm desensitized. Um. I feel like Queen of Spooky is like in our scene in New York, at least in Brooklyn is like what like Laurela a little bit the queen of horror spook? Yes, had you been through a spooky pa? Oh, my whole high school time was this spooky face. You know, I'll tell you what I was in high school. I will I was. I had a very like bad home life. So I was just like constantly just like high and fucking boys in high school

and not doing well in class at all. I see, I feel like my narrative that I create for you in my brain is doesn't try. I honestly love that, thank you that that's the energy that I give off. Now. In high school I had a very chinnet can ask Patrick Foley, a fellow class together, Yes, yes, and maybe his preppy phase was his. But and again high school, I was just like, you know, I was just like confused and just like wanted to just I don't know.

I wasn't even like who the funk am? I actually think a lot of people have in high school were scared and can fused by me, like because I went to boarding school and I dropped out of boarding school in my freshman year already spooky, yes, And then I transferred into a high school in d C where I grew up my school. No, I went to private school in d C. And when I transferred in there, because no one did that ever, this is such. This is

a very like O C story. Yes, yeah, I went to Choke the Choy Hall, this boarding school in Connecticut where like Vanka Trump went and k went to talk about Spook. One of them is literally a ghost. And I hated it and it was literal hell. It was like the worst place on the planet. And I left.

And then when I transferred to my high school, there was a rumor that went around that I was dealing ecstasy, which was like hilarious in hindsight, and at this fair was I was not dead, but I went like at that time, I was into like wearing tight eye and I had the kind of this like shaggy like brown hair to look very like led Zeppelin, cream black Sabbath kind of girl where I was just like I love rock and like you at I did. But a lot of it was informed by my you know, blood thirst

for dick. So a lot of my music taste has always been informed by the thirst. Four days you would blood is a front runner for a title because you don't want you're not thirsty for the dick. You're thirsty for the dick. Blood. Yes, I need the blood of the dick. You can find you can find Greta by the men's restroom and she goes, yeah, that's where they're

hiding with the men. But yeah, all of my musical tastes all through high school were informed by whatever guy I wanted to have sex, because in my sophomore year I became obsessed with this gorgeous guy who didn't go to my school, but he loved listening to Rags and Machine and the Flaming Lips, And I literally wasted a year of my life listening to the Flaming Lips. I mean trash, trash, but at the time it felt right.

At the time, it felt very quick, like everything, like if you weren't listening to it, like did you listen to music? You know what I mean? If you we're listening to Flaming Lips and Stevens yes, and oh my god, can we talk about how with my girlfriends? Sufian wrecked me and I couldn't even listen to it because I was like, this is emotionally tormenting and like the orchestra and the masks, I was like, that's crazy. What's crazy

is that he got bigger after that? Yeah, I would say so, I mean, he did the score of me, not the score, but the song. He did a lot of songs for call Me by Your Name. He yeah, he got big, But say, I actually think that is the right platform for him for that kind of an artist, Like because he's working with orchestras and things like that. He's not just like I'm just good my drunk, my guitar. Yeah, he was always going to be something. He Yeah, it

really was like, yeah, he he became the artist. Became the artist. Um, okay, but okay, so walk us through this high school life a little bit more. Oh yeah, so then, I mean my hair was also like nine things in high school. It was crazy. It was like jet black and like deep purply black. Was a lot of shades of black and a lot of different haircuts at my senior year of high school. Honestly, I don't

know what the fuck I was thinking. I had. My hair was up to here half fight to my to my cheeks, like right below my cheek bones, jet black. And I had crooked bangs. I had crooked fucking Chicago, Yes, like a really fucked deranged one. And I remember my mom looking at me just being like oh God, and she just walked away. I don't think she spoke to

me until like some grow out happened. Yeah, and my parents were big and political people, so we would always have parties at our house constantly, and I just remember my mom being like what And then, so did you meet a lot of interesting DC figures? You know, you know you're a little it was a regular house of cards. And it was a regular, regular old house of cards. But yeah, and then in high school, Chain smoked cigarettes constantly, which is so stupid because you think you don't reek

of smoke, Like whenever anybody smokes a cigarette. Now, I smell it for away and I can't like when I when I fucking have a dark moment in bum one off this one, I smell it on myself for two days, two days. It's well, you know, I never shot one. And I'm just kidding. I like, I just feel like it lingers from you know, when I whenever I do smoke a cigarette, which is only in Europe, I find that I smell it like in my breath. Yeah. Yeah, smoking cigarettes are fun. It's a social event. Yes, and

you do it too much. No, I've simply stopped since starting work. Do you have any idea how long this has been your narrative. I had no idea you were smoked. I started smoking and may have twenty fifteen, just because it was a social thing at work. It was like all right, well everyone like like we would, I worked this office job, and like people would just be like, okay, well there's nothing to do, let's just get downstairs. And

I was like okay, breaking up the day. And then it just like snowballed into this thing and I was like, oh funk, this sucks, Like I don't I feel bad doing this? And then yeah, I kept it up for like two years and now it's just like no, seriously, this has been like the change that I needed to just the truth in your eyes. Thank you to not even think of I don't even have time to really think about it, which is great. Smoking is just like

it's not cute. It's just passing the time. It's just if you're if you're smoking your board, that's all it is. But you know what, there has been really fun about it. There's something, there's something Hollywood has made it still so that when like I think about just like smoke, it's like dark and just like smoking a cigarette, like looking out the window, it's like blowing. I can tell you what I love about it, getting one on one time

with someone else. Yeah, that's like I'm always like, let's go. Like, that's why I like to smoke. We Like, I loved smoking weed with someone for the first time because it's like you when you really get on their level. I'm a full on tweaker when I smoke weed, and that's what I used to do it constantly and now I can't. At one time, I went on a date with a guy and he was like, let's go back to my house and smoke weed me fully knowing I couldn't do it, and I was like, Okay, I did it anyway, smoked

a blunt. By the way, Oh my god, I hallustined that there was a poodle in the front yard, and then he was like you need to go and then oh my god, I who I was telling this story too. So I had a crush on this guy. He was a bartender at a restaurant next to my old apartment, and after that weed incident happened, he like didn't talk to me, and then I was wasted. I just found these screenshots on my computer the other day. When I was wasted, I texted him being like do want to

meet up or not? And then no response. And then I was like, la, well just wanted to kiss or whatever. Guess you don't dot dot dot and your response. And then I said another teching like I mean I just wanted to fuck casually, and then no response. You were that girl? And then I woke up in the morning and I was like, oh my god, what the fuck? And I said another text in the morning being like hey, like, um, sorry about last night. I was a little over also overserved.

I don't know why, yeah, over served, like whatever, And then he didn't respond to me, and then I ended up seeing him at work and I had happened to go to his restaurant twice in one day, which was terrible, and he just the only text you're at back was you came here twice and one day period, not even question mark, just period. Okay, Well, then he's just being he was a dick, a little dickie. Ye. Yeah, I mean listen, that's I I obviously respect to you for

that time. Many texts, what they really need to be texted is are you okay? Someone cutting you off? Because they should be. I say, I've sent so many really weird texts yeah, control, have you ever weird texted? I was really close last night because I had more to drink in a long time. We were all together last night as we were um and I had one too many frozen Mark's Delicious. Thank you those communities. Let a treat a frozen market. And then I ordered the prickly pear.

I didn't deep rich color, rich colored, the deep rich flavor point and then yeah, it was really close to texting the color the flavor of you know what you're talking about? Wait, what the high point? Oh my god, you guys, I thought that when you said deeper colored, deeper flavor. Lauren Bacall was in these oh her high Point coffee, but just the way the tagline for it.

Look at the color, the deep rich flavor, and then she she smells and then she's like the aroma and then she takes a sip and she's like nothing like high Point. You need to see those commercials. They're incredible. She's always like she's walking into a limousine and there's like a small side table with a lamp in the limousine with like tea, cakes and coffee. We need major a list, actual real actresses to talk said but we need,

we need. The best one is Lauren walks into her sweet and she looks at the camera and she opens it and she just says, my favorite time of day is night, which is holy the best iconic I'm to make. My favorite time of day is night. I wish I wish that I had like yearbook quotes in high school, which I never got to have, but I wish to repeat like the stupidest bullshit and the most gravitasi Hollywood glamour voice exactly here. You know what what you know?

You love New York from? So this is when he was in high school and it was it was big at the time. That's really smart, Like how I just

call that smart? I was just going to point out that Greta is like high key, like I mean, she's an incredible stand up like like full stop, but then also high key like very good at characters, yeah, like like check out the insta like, but she she just dropped into the whole fucking book holism of it all, and I'm just collisms of it all and now I'm just like, oh yeah, like she like can embody that like better than a lot of all anyway? But who did you almost text though I don't want to say,

I mean just this just what made you stop? Well made me stop? Was like oh well, he like, I mean this, this would go nowhere, and like it's like, oh it's three am. Uh, it's not how you think it is. It's this, it's the guy. It's is it the other one? I think it's just the quick flame guy. Yeah, we love I think that he is safe to text. Really, I think you should text. He's fun and flortya. But he was also really neurotic about just being like I like you, but we shouldn't. We shouldn't se flirty in

the moment and then hetty hetty hetty afterwards. That's hard for me. I can't tell either a long term fun and flirty in the moment and then after the moment to like for like a solid two days and then something turned and I'm looking back at my stuff and I'm like relitigating this in my head. Nothing I did, you need to know it. And then he just sort of changed his mind and was like, my exes in your friend groups, we should stop. And I'm like, that's

that's not true. So I'm sorry everyone. If you are like a person that is interesting. Working in New York City, you probably know someone periphery that knows someone is not a big deal unless it's a big deal to him, which it felt like it wasn't a respect and you gotta resolve it. Flings a fling, a dick in a mouth? Who wants to complicate that? Flings a fling a dick in the mouth? Who wants a complicated that? That's just the beginning of a song I'm writing flings fling and

who wants to complicate that? But yet everyone at the same time, can I say sometimes it can go a little complicated. It always gets complicated somewhere because you know what, I hate this idea of people being like, let's just keep it casual. Whenever anybody that we're just casually hooking up, I'm like, what does that mean? You haven't defined any

parameters around this. So if someone's going to suck something up and upset the other, right, and also if you stay hooking up with that person for longer than a month, in my book, that slowly starts to turn into a relationship. Does hello. We saw two popular films about this very thing, No Strings Attached, Friends, Friends, Benefits and came out in the same year, like months apart, like months after Black Swan, which almost sounds better. Which one did you think was better?

I think I have to say I prefer the Natalie Apportman and Ashton Kutcher one. And that's not just because a friend is in the movie. Can I say that I found the chemistry between Mila and Justin to be a little bit more realistic though than the chemistry between more fun. It was more fun, where like Wrenally was just like, I'm a doctor and I guess I want to blow off steam by fucking Ashton Kutcher. I just wasn't as. I don't believe for a second that someone

as smart as Natalie pork someone as dumb as Ashton. However, I think that Justin Timberlake is so charismatic and Milacunas is so charismatic that I would just believe that they would suck anything. Can I say I saw Ashton Kutcher in person years ago, literally insanely hot. He's crazy, You're just like that, Iowa corn Well done corn the whole melt. I'm telling you, I've said it on this podcast before, but you have to look up to this movie he

was in called spread best. So many incredible sex scenes in it. You see his like but which is great? I just yeah, I guess I'm not. I'm not a huge Timberlake fan myself. I have a bunch of issues with Timberlake. We had a long discussion upstate about just all the things that he is culpable and you know what do you mean, Well, here's the thing. The Man of the Woods thing is, it's just a way for aging pop star to give up but still be like,

I'm so cool, you know what I mean. But here's here's an editorial is angled all this, you know what I mean? Like, for me, my justin Timberlake, my personal justin Timberlake is in a fucking suit, and my personal justin Timberlake is in a doll insane. That was when I was still in denial about my sexuality. That one had a deep patriot for him because I wanted to fuck him so badly. About Lance Bass, No, Lance was Lance I never fully like clung onto even during the

gay rumors. I was like, oh, I know I'm connecting on some level with this, but I don't know what. And then I just never really did you know that he was the most popular doll. Oh out of all the five, I guess that would make sense to me because he would look the most like ken blonde hair because with the justin dults like the curly the curls are just like a little tough on on plasta. Those curls were tight curls. They wore some ammonium. Ty glockily asked, curls,

I mean a true springboard. It was like crazy he did have I remember in that in the video for Terran at My Heart when he is in his white I almost said wife beater. And that is a truly like that is that is a misogynistic thing from Long Island that everyone says wife beater when they when they talk about a tank that people call it that everywhere. But it's crazy. That flies out of my mouth and that language that it's just crazy. We have to check ourselves at all times. But he's in like that, what

do you call it? Just a white a white tank. It's a white tank. It's insane, but it's literally replaced but what it actually is. But he's in that white tank and he is like up on the bed and he rises up out of the bed and he's like I was just like, oh my God, like he's everything and more. He's the most to say the least, the most, to say the least. I want to say. We could go ahead. I was just going to ask you because this spooky high school phase is so interesting, get back

to are you interested? Are you interested in maybe dipping your toe back? And even though you're so settled, I don't care that. No, no, no, he's talking about getting spooky now now ever, get spooky again. I feel like I feel like, would you want to? Of course I always want to get spooky. Here's the thing. My spooky high school phase was like I was spooky like all of high school, yes, and but you know, here's the

problem with me. I was spooky all high school. But I also loved designer goods, you know what I mean. So you can't be full spook while still like loving a Mark Jacob silk top and while still like wanting AMU me bag? You know? And there were aspects of my personality that I couldn't wash away. Now in the in the age of like rag and bone and all saints and like all this stuff that you can you can't intersect a book, you could, but you know what

I'm not. Uh, yes you can, but there is something I need authenticity, you know what I mean, Because there's nothing worse than unauthentic spook Honestly, there is nothing worse for me to watch because when I see someone that is unauthentic in their spookiness and like you are going dealing with a lot of pain and that affects me. It does look very dust I mean because because really what they're trying to do is they're trying to get

like raw. And I think that's what I'm saying that I love Taylor and I'm so glad to revisit her and re embrace, but I feel like Reputation Era even now is like a little bit in authentic. That's what upset me about that album. I was like, this is not you, like this isn't you good at being that? No, I don't think she's good at being that. I don't think she's good at like look, if she wants to fully commit change your hair number one, I want to see a fucking hair change. I need a literal physical

indicator that you're committing to this came back with dark hair. Yeah, give me like a brunette a dirty on this podcast, saying that the next that that we needed we don't have Pat Benatar right now, And I said, maybe if Taylor were smart, she would try to come back as some sort of like rock goddess when she when we didn't know what she was going to come back us, and I think she came of the way she tried to blend hip hop with rock goddess with like pop.

I also, I don't need Taylor to dance, Honestly, I don't want Taylor. I don't want Taylor to dance. I don't need her to like give me this weird kind of like Beyonce esque, like a bunch of people dancing with her things because it's not good, and like, well, there a difference between dancing and doing coreo. Yes, she is doing difference. There a difference. It's just a cure number sixteen. Difference between dancing and there is a huge difference.

And I just I died her. I wish that she had done exactly what you're saying, like give me a dirty like dishwater. I love that term. And like play the guitar. I want to see you play the guitar and singing. I know that's my favorite. The best tailor is that she whips out the guitar and you know what, make it electric? With electric guitar and a fucking black haircut, that would have been pretty sick. And I also think that still pop music is missing, that we don't have

rock goddess. We had pop rock goddesses for a second there when that was popular. We had you know, Kelly and Pink when they were like very I guess like the I guess the chick that's in Lady Antebellum is like mainstream enough that people might classify her as being a rock goddess. Who is? But but who else? I don't know. That's like the only one thing that I can think of. And the only reason why I even

think of Lydianntebellum is because my boyfriend likes country music. Um, we should say that Greta has that the absolute dream. I'm a boyfriend. Yesterday when we looked or this morning, we looked at the photo of all of us last night and it was like, this photo is so cool, and I was like yeah. He was like, I'm literally standing with the future of common and I was like, yeah, you are, And do you want me to autograph it

for you or something? He's the best sweet took me a long time to like respect and like a good sweet man. It's hard to accept love, I think. I think it's really hard. And I think that, you know, we've all relationships are always complicated, and I think that and I blame this partially on Hollywood that a lot of us think that like passion is either this like crazy, like we meet each other and we're obsessed me up

and it's crazy. Life is like insane, and then like and then we start to fight, but like our fights are also passionate, and like we need to fight and let me fuck, and then it's like whatever. So I think we have it programmed somewhere in our brains are at least I did for a very long time that like fighting and this constant like torment and this like

drama was was love. Like I thought that that was love, you know, And it's like, well, how is it love if you're not like getting into these like crazy passionate fights and then like having weird ravenous sex are like arguing. I don't know. I had a really hard time dealing with that. And you know, my my parents had a terrible marriage, and I saw that as my like relationship as a child, well just parents constantly fighting and literally

not liking each other. And then I think I took that on and you don't realize how that stuff completely affects you as you grow. And it's like then I found myself in these relationships, especially with in my like late teens to my mid twe until the relationship have been now actually of men that were just like honestly really shitty to me or just like gasolate me in some way, like it was always my fault. I was always doing something wrong. I remember every relationship, I always

felt like I'm the reason why this isn't working. And I think that now being with someone that just like he just wants to love me and take care of me, and he's so not judgmental, and we're not in the same industry, which I he tangentially works in entertainment, but like so he understands comedy in this lifestyle and whatever, which is great, but I don't know, it's hard sometimes because he wants he's always helpful to me and he wants helped me, and he likes helping me, and I

find that sometimes I'm like, you don't have to do that, Like I get shitty about it, which is not nice. But I'm just like, you need to help me, and he's like, well, it's just it's because I love you. And I'm like, okay, fine, you know. But it's so nice to be in that kind of relationship with They're hard because it's like I'm a moody psycho bitch, you

know what I mean. And like some days, like yesterday at when we came in on a red eye and we were taking a nap at seven thirty in the morning, I started to have a panic attack and he's like what And I was like, I'm not doing enough for my career and he was like what he's here. He's like it's seven thirty in the morning. Um, what's going on?

And I was like you just don't understand. And then I like get round, like I need to go to the bathroom, and I'm like I'm my poop and I'm like it's like go, you know, and I'm so dramatic. I'm still like my mom, I'm so dramatic sometimes and I'm just going to get into my car and then I'm like speed away, you know, and it's like for nothing. He's like, oh my god, He's just like you're funny and he knows being cuckoo? What is he working? Does work as he works? Um? He works at Netflix? Oh great?

So that that's the perfect thing where it's like he's he understands the contours of what your career is, but he's not doing the same thing or he doesn't want the same things necessarily, you know, he is he is and just like all of us, so driven, and I think it's really hard to find someone that matches your drive because I would find that I would get really frustrated with ex boyfriends of mine that I didn't feel were as driven as mend And that's and you know what,

that's fine. Like I now I'm at a place where I like, what I'm trying to do is just be like an accepting, loving person because it's so much energy gets taken from you when you're not. And don't get me wrong, I love dragging people and it's so much fun to do, but it's like sometimes it can just be like really exhausting and are like why am I? Why am I doing that? You know? So for all my ex boyfriends, I used to be like, what the funk is wrong with you that you don't want to

do this, Like why are you not pushing yourself? And then I kind of realized now it's like, well maybe they just didn't want to. I'm like, that's fine, that's just not how I am programmed. And I think it takes a few relationships to figure that out. And I think, I know, like with my relationship that ended, it was the only one I had ever been in, and that was in the forefront of my mind the whole time. It's like, shouldn't I be learning more from more relationships?

And I think to like I would seek all of my validation from other people and from this, you know, I would seek so much validation, like from other people and like from my boyfriends or something. And and now I'm just like, that's so empty. That's such an empty way to live, to constantly be seeking because you're never going to get it the way that you want, and like, it's so stupid because you need to get it from

your self. But I think that that's a that's like moving to l A for me where I really feel like I'm starting this a new thing, Like I don't have the comedy community there where I went there, and I felt so insecure and I felt so not validated in what I was doing because I didn't have other and other people to say things like oh, granted, like what you guys said at the top of the show, like you got so funny, so great, and to me,

I'm like, oh my god, like, yeah I am. But it's been a test for me to just know that. And I think that this relationship has helped me because he seems to just know that about me. So then I'm like, Okay, I guess I know that about me too, you know, And I think it's hard. It's just hard to find the right person. Yeah, I'm really I don't know.

I really related to what you're saying because I felt like I found that in a relationship, and now not being in that relationship anymore has been the hard thing, right where now you're like, now you're like, who likes me? Do I even like me? Get one like that again? You will? You will? It just takes it's a it's a thing. But it's just like you need to also be open to it. A lot of people just like that's open to meeting people aren't open to going out.

You need to be willing to put yourself out there and you need to be willing to get rejected. Yes, we need to go out. We need to go out. We going out is important. Yes, um wow, I needed

to hear a lot of that. I don't know is that that's boring, especially for especially you just saying like you're never going to get it the way you want, if you're just waiting on someone else's approval, that sounds it's like such a given notion, a given thing, And like, I don't know, like working working this job now is like all about seeking approval from other people. And I'm just like I'm like, oh this, I'm like, I didn't

used to work like this. No, And there's something and going back to spooky authenticity, I think that likethicity a front runner. I think that my and this is something that I've always craved so deeply since the day I was born, was to just be this like incredibly authentic person, you know, And you know when you see people like Stevie Nicks was born fucking cool, like I don't know, she was just cool, like Freddie Mercury fucking you know, just some people, Paul, Like some people that make you

think that they're just like so cool. You've always just craved that effortlessness of being like authentically secure and cool and sure and confident, and I realized that it just

actually takes so much fucking work. Takes work. And then even those people like and this is no this is no shape, but it's like you listen to his podcaster, you'd like listen to interviews, and like ru Paul is also constantly totally second guessing everything that that he's doing anyway, Like it's it's it's never what it's seems, even with people who seem to have it sort of like everyone that you just mentioned has such darkness and so much

and and that's the crazy thing. It is interesting when I meet like I was, a friend of mine is dating this scroll who I met recently, and she just like works a very simple job that she like she's kind of indifferent about it, but like she makes really good money. She just bought a house her She's like, my work isn't my life? And I just like when she said that to me, I was like, what what do you mean? What do you do otherwise? You know,

like what do you like? So you're just working? She's like, yeah, I mean I'm really good at my job. It's really straightforward the hours are good, vacations good pay, is good about a house, and that's it, And I'm like, actual, yeah, I'm like, oh, okay, I guess things can just be like nice, whereas every day I'm just like tired of feeling like every day is a war with myself, you know.

So it's like it's getting it's gotten so much better over the years, But so much of my spookiness was rooted in this, yes, constant like trying to be memorable and trying to be trying more than anything to be like to be like this is sucking me, Like I don't give a fuck, Like I will go and buzz my head right now. You don't believe me. Watch, I will smoke nine cigarettes. I will like drink vodka straight. I'm not why did we do that. I would do that all the time in high school to be like, okay,

I'm doing barcodes on my arrest. I'm getting to seven, you know, like a sharpie, and you would just do like one one line for each shot you took her. So I don't know that, you know. I was thinking about this yesterday when I was watching when I was watching the SNL take, and there was a man next to me, who would never applause, who wouldn't clap when it wouldn't clap, And I seriously want to turn him and I want to be like what are you trying

to prove? Like what what are you trying to I understand like in high school, you know, and like the band of playing like come on everybody, and then you have to like clap and like no one thinks you're cool by not clopping, like fact, we're contributing to the positive energy. Yeah, I'm just like what you And to me, that was like his version of being like I just take a shot. Are you going to take a fucking shot? You know? And I'm just like, wow, you're angst and

rebellion is so compelling, sir. Like meanwhile, what if he had like a severe arthritis and he's like clapping is actually I can't If my hands touched I'll die. Was he laughing at all? Yeah? He was like having a good time, I think, but like I was just like clap, you know. He didn't think something was funny. He just like yeah, and I'm like, fuck off, there's a buzzy gift on everyone's this this year. That is the first hint as to what I'm talking about. Buzzy Okay, it's

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for me? I think I always I just like wanted to be a star when I was really little, just always like wanted attention and wanted to be a star. Yes, I loved watching like Shirley Temple, and I love Shirley Temple movies like I got the Chili Temple doll. I like love Shirley Temple so much. Um, really I don't. I it's so funny because no one's ever I don't. I new Shirley Temples like a thing, but it's like for one for someone. One of my peers said, they

love Shirley Temple. That's so funny. Well, I was like obsessed with my mom. So I was. I was a kid that was absolutely obsessed with my mom. Like my mom could do no wrong. I was my mom's shadow. I like I didn't care about toys. They're photos of me like reading, like sitting in like glasses, reading the New York Times, which I was not reading, but I would just sit there and like mom, I wanted to be heard, and like I wanted to wear power suits

and like high heels and just like be her. And I think that the Shirley Temple thing probably came from my mom or she was just like, look at this little girl that like performs. And I remember I was in the like maybe I was in the fourth grade and I sobbed to my mom about how I wanted an agent. I was like, please, like you like, please get me an agent. I was like, because I'm aging, this is sick, this is wrong. I was like, fucking Lindsay Lohan is eleven and acting with herself like this

is sick. Twins like Lizzie MacGuire killed me. I was like, this bitch thinks that she is, does McGuire? I am Lizzie McGuire. Oh my god, Wait a minute, can I say something potentially silly and dumb? In myopic, we grew up in a time where we all grew up in a time where the child, the concept of the child star like fully proliferated out into things that where it was like, Okay, you're seeing kids be in shows that

are for us portrayed by children. As I think up until like maybe late seventies, early eighties, it wasn't like that like it was just just cartoon the Only Children. It was just cartoon Rogerstridge family. Sure, but it wasn't about one child family dynamic, Emily. It wasn't about one kid being the center of the whole of the whole universe whatever. But even like the Cosby Show, it was about like this family family different strokes and like growing pains.

All this is all family dynamics, all family dynamic. It wasn't centered solely on the kid where it's like then you moved into the nines where it was child stories. It was the Olsen Twins, like Club Mickey mouse Club, but it was literally like I mean, I guess Mickey mouse Club back in the day, pre nineties, but like but like like fucking like Olsen Twins videos of them going to Paris just unsupervised. It's like what like this like this minute truly like making out with guys. It's

it was. It was a new thing. It was a thing that just started when we were growing up, and so that fucked up everything about our concept of fame being liked, being like getting attention. I think that is like intrinsically like linked to like our general I agree

with that because there was. I don't think there was anything that Even Jonathan Taylor Thomas I remember him being like, and it's it's that's very true and like a very apt right, I mean like I mean like not that like child actors weren't like didn't reistic, but like not at that level. The culture, like a culture keyed into these like lindsay like and the parents. Yes, yes, well we saw the globalization of like the media at the time when we were seeing that, I think that's why

it feels this way. I do think you I feel this way, and you feel this way, and you feel this way. It's like basically but but but what I'm saying is, like I think because the media was getting out of control as we aged, that's why it feels like we had finally this like centering in on these

kids because they were making money. And then that's what makes it even more fucked up that like I think ten year period when we were in high school where it was cool to make fun of people who had drug problems, Like I remember doing a presentation about um drunk driving in my health class or my like humanities class or whatever in high school, and one of the beats in it was like predicting that Lindsay Lohan would

die in a drunk driving accident. And I showed it to my mother and she was like, why would you do that? This isn't funny, But it's so crazy because like all my peers, nobody called it out was being not funny, whereas today it'd be like that's a sick thing to do. But that was where we were at

at six Team. Also, it was the Internet. It was like the rise of the Internet and like access and seeing it and it was it is crazy to think about, but yeah, I mean I would say that, like I A lot of those things made me be like, oh, like I want to do this, you know, and I know and then I think, I what A person that really influenced me was like Tracy Ullman, but I saw her, saw her show, and then I started watching a lot

of Christopher Guest movies like that kind of stuff. Was like, I want to do this, you know, Tracy is one of the best of all time, all time. Um. But then I got all through high school, I never got into any productions and I never was like theater was just they didn't like me. Make yeah edutioned and me

and Patrick Foley. However, Patrick Folly ended up booking everything when he was like the one boy left in school and very talented, and you know, then graduates with the Masters from Yell Drama, which is amazing, and then I'm also successful in my own whatever. But then I got a little side tracked because when I couldn't, I felt so rejected from all of this that I started doing photography, which is what I studied at Parson. Yeah, so that

I didn't know I did. And then I went through this whole thing where I was like, I want to become like a like a Cindy Shirt. Well, the first I wanted to be like an Ansel Adams, like old large back and white landscapes, like new typographic kind of photographer.

And then I was like, and I love Cindy Sherman, similar to Tracy Almonds and Christopher Guests another great character people she really liked was amazing, and I love like Marilyn Minter and I love all of that kind of our you know, So this all, this all makes this is so interesting, and this all makes sense and it comes together within like how you are now where it's like someone who is like so it's like so wonderfully like thoughtful about aesthetics and about you know, presentation and

about the way things Well, I just get so upset when people, especially when you when I'm coming to and this is something and I love stand up so much. I'm a stand up obviously, but like something in the stand up world, it's like, let's just look yeah, because that way, because if you look bad then it's distracting. Well,

I just get upset. Like I imagine if I'm paying for a ticket right to go to a comedy club and then I and then I need to get a chewer drink minum, and then I'm watching, you know, someone on stage that like didn't even take one second to like look or just like wash your face. How do you know what I mean? It doesn't it's not even about I don't give a funk if your clothes are like designer or whatever. I don't care about that, just

like look fresh, you know. Yeah, it's there's some sort of like anxiety that I just said that is that bad that I just I mean, I sort of a degree in this way where it's like it's not about like looking fuckable, it's that's it's about just respect, self respect, it's about self respecting, respecting other people, and like, you know, I mean, in some ways, there are some cases in which it is a fun funk you to like not look the part where very specific context is required, but

overall it's like, yeah, like I don't know, I just like love dressing up and I love looking fun on stage. To me, that's just like a fun part of being on stage, Like I want to be a spectacle. Not in a bad way, but I want you know, it's like nice. That's actually one of my favorite things about doing my shows too, is like picking up because it's fun.

I realized too, we say this as people that like I did, I danced growing up, so like I loved costumes and like I loved you know, I've always loved dressing. And I realized that not a lot of people don't feel that way. A lot of people. My brother does not give a fuck what he wears. He's like, this is a shirt, these are pants, these are shoes, And I'm like, I find most of the time, though, when I'm putting together in my outfit, it is for me, you know what I mean, It's not for the audience.

It's like I'm always just like oh, I don't want to wear this because I wore it at that show. It's like, it's kind of nice to I don't know. It's just a fun part of this and I like it for me. I really do some people clothing fully stresses them out like that it stresses me. I mean sometimes I look at my closet and I'm like, oh God, I don't have a new thing to wear, Like I hate everything, hate everything. Once every three weeks this happens

to me where I just hate everything I own. That happens to you, that happens to me, yeah, constantly, but then you but then you forget. You're like, oh, but I have so much shed like I know, I don't know. I also want to say one more thing that informed me now that I'm thinking about this, and we can stop, no please? Um. I like I loved watching movies like

Now and Then. Do you guys remember that movie and Then with Christina Richie Young, Thori Birds, Melanie Griffith, Demi Moore, um oh Rita Wilson, huge cat like female friendship over

the years. I loved watching that movie and I loved watching Uh Dangerous Lives of the Altar Boys with Kieren Colkin and and uh that guy who's terrible who I don't even remember his name, but anyway, I love watching those movies too, like any kind of like teen like and my friend Ali and I used to pretend like we were living in some like fifties like like biking,

like pecking picnics drive through, but we didn't do. We grew up in DC, so we didn't have like fucking last bike too, and like jump in with whatever you liked? Do you hate it? Uh, it's a weird city. I enjoyed growing up there because I will say I found out that I like was around so many different kind

of people. I mean, I have friends that I hadn't seen hadn't I had know people that hadn't met a Jewish person until they left high school, or hadn't been in school with someone that was like not white until they left high school. And it's like, I never that never occurred to me that like that was a thing, just because DC is such a diverse, crazy international city. Um so I love that aspect of it, which is something that I think is great and like so important,

but it's weird. But I mean, have you always known that politics was like fucked up. Yeah, Well, I just remember being when Bush became president, everyone the world like exploded, and my parents were besides himself, beside himselves. We're living in d C. And like them in all of this influx of because it's such a transient city, because people move there for work, people move there to work for

who's in office, and once it's done, they leave. So then out of nowhere we had all of these like Texans coming up and living there and all this stuff, and a lot of like well that that girl's parents are big like Republican donors or like this, you know what I'm saying. A lot of weird like that, And I don't know for the most part, Like my high school and DC is of super progressive, very liberal high school where I was never around like any like really conserved.

That was another thing on the flip side. I was always around this very progressive, super liberal we're old And then going to I did my freshman of college at Arizona and I saw a very different side of things. And then going back to Parsons and being in New York, it was no difference. So for me, like realizing that people grow up in these like very conservative of closed minded like homophobic, racist, that that is a real thing. Yeah, And that was something that I remember I learned when

I was like eighteen and out of high school. I was like, oh, not everyone got this luxury of like so for those things I like DC, that there is that, you know, I mean, but I would never live there. I would never live there. Do you see the place that to me completely lax culture? Oh? Interesting, because it's

so it is it is. It does purport to be this like beacon of our American culture because you go there and it's like the monuments and but it's really look like I have friends there that are doing great things, cool things, but it's not like a place where anything. But I don't know. You know, you're not moving to d C to like work in art, You're not moving tod C to work in finance. You're not moving to

d C to be an actor, if you will. There are great pockets of these things there, but like I find the d C lax culture, and I think a lot of that comes from the fact that it is such a transient city that you don't have It's very rare that you find true DC people that have lived there for forever that come back that, you know what I'm saying. You have that in places like New York, where you have these New Yorkers that live have lived here forever and we'll live until the day that they die.

And do you see, there's just not that same kind of culture. It's plant your roots there. Yeah, I'm excited to go down there at some point and do it. I don't think so, honey, I like it down there, because I do like it down there, and I think we do now when I go back and doing shows there. There's a great comedy but they're smart, very smart, and it's a really fun, smart crowd. And don't get me wrong, Like people are probably gonna drag me for saying that

I think that. I just think it's like a different kind of culture. And also I haven't lived there since I was eighteen, so I'm sure it's a nightmare right now. Well, my friends that lived there, right now, I'm like, what's going on? You know again, a lot of d C is I think still liberal, you know what I'm saying. It's not like it's challenging. It's a shock when this happens, and I know everyone is beside themselves and I think to be I don't know. To be like a Trump

supporter in on a coast to me is very crazy. Yeah, yeah, but it really happens. But you ever since Trump before, I was like, she went to that schools as you went to and connecting it. Yeah, and then she went my she my sister went to Pen and she went to Pen. Did they know each other. No, she's a little older than my sister. Yeah. She to me is the darkest, spookiest figure figure of them all. To be honest, you know, spooky is like too kind of a word to describe her. She's like evil. She to me is

full on evil. I'm so tired of using the word complicit with her because it's like she's like actively And it's so funny how after the synagogue shooting, all these headlines come out. We're like Ivanka and Jared convinced Donald Trump to put out an uh an anti anti Semitism, like a to denounce anti Semitism. And it's like, okay, well don't like that shouldn't be necessary, and she is like, it's it's such a weird pr move for her to like,

let's just just protect her own image. It's it's it all feels so honestly for her to pretend like it's it's one thing for Trump to pretend that we're all this dumb because he's he's he's said before like I will use dumb people like he's literally said like I will if I run for president, I'll run as a Republican because they are the easier voters to control. These words have come out of his mouth. You can actually

source this. But for her to come from like where she comes from, and to be young and to be this person who like is also connected to Jared who was like young, had liberal friends and like they were but for all intensive preposes liberal people, and for her to act like we are this dumb, to to act like we're gonna buy this like message of like oh my god, isn't that horrible what happened? Like we see you like we see you. Do you see that Nelly apartment on Colbert talking about how she used to be

and used to be friends. Yeah, that's insane. I just I just look, she probably endured a shipload of abuse from her father growing up. Do you really think so? It's it's like the whole like, oh my god, Donald Trump wants to suck her his daughter is like sexualizing. Sexual is very sad and and I'm sure her childhood was very dark and filled with a lot of abuse in many ways. I never, I never, I never think about that. I'm sure that that's a real thing for her.

But it's the all part to me, and I don't know, it's it's hard because part of me is like, is it like Stockholm syndrome, you know what I mean, where it's like she can't help herself for something or I don't know. But then once you the evil part to me is when you become a parent two kids, and when your father is the president and is doing things to literally destroy families, to be so sick in your head that you can't be like you can't even say

that it's wrong. It's like, just say that it's wrong, Just say something to me that's evil, because then, as her child, I would then be like, what the funk was wrong with you that you couldn't have said anything? She just is so complicit and shitty, and that is evil. Being complicit is evil. Oh um, well that was like a beautiful slow burning But I don't think so, honey, isn't it No? No? I mean, she's beyond I don't think any now like one time we did our, we

did our. I think his first or second, I don't think so, honey. And I put Donald Trump in the trouball and poor Monty Goes has picked it out, and it was like, you can't even do it. I don't think I should never have put it in there, because like, you can't do it, because where then do you start. It's an impossible bar to meat because it's like it's it's it's, it's, it's not. I don't think so, honey, It's go to hell, bitch. It's like I fantasize, like I hope he wrots in a jail cell. Oh there.

There is a part of me that And I think about this in two ways. I think about it and I think about it with what's going to happen to him inevitably, And it's two things I do believe in, like some sort of karmic thing, like people do get what they deserve. And I think that his his life has to end in a dark way. And I don't say that as someone that wishes evil on the world. I just think he will get what's coming to him, whether it's prison or what I think that will happen.

And also with I hope and I don't know what we're who we're all going to get behind, But I desperately want a woman of color to beat him in the presidential race, just like I desperately wanted to be Kamala Harris, Like I I want to throw all my support Barhinard because I just want women of color to see that like there undying support of like what was right this whole time, because they are the only demographic that is consistently fought for what's right and always and

and they're the most trampled people in this country and in this world. And I just I don't know if it will happen, but I just I desperately want that, and I see that's what should happen, But I don't know. I just get I start a second, guess everything about everyone we could put up, and I get. So it's scary when you think too that the way our system, our voting system is currently, the way gerrymandering works, the way congressional districting lines are drawn, that is a whole

other fucked thing. And also, let's not forget we still have the electoral college, which is extremely, extremely archaic and it's like Hillary won the popular vote. I don't know, and I'm always like, oh right, but they were still close to four million other people that wanted people. That is the disheartening part of all of this. And it it matters when we vote in primaries like people do

it on Tuesday, because census is happening. That's when a lot of the redistricting is happening, when hopefully we can get out of these They're trying to play dirty with that. You know, No, it's just it's really scary. It's a scary time. And I would love for Kamala. Kamala, Yes, I would love for there's a lot of I talked to Nico about this, who like was just our friend who's lives in LA. He's a lawyer and he's like

a big supporter of hers. He's she's his senator and she was out there stumping up for the midterms and just talking about the positives to having someone like her run where that would motivate women of color. Who are the people who volunteer to go in the grassroots campaigning.

This is what wins elections now, those the women that volunteer, Those that volunteer, and also you know with Kamala you do have like and I do think this is important, especially nowadays when you have a celebritized UM political machine. Is there is like a glam factor there, you know what I mean. There is like you can see people putting her on a poster, you know what I mean, you can get behind her. She's a forceful and charismatic speaker.

She's prosecutorial in the way that she talks to people in the Senate, and she would be able to handle him. The problem with what Donald Trump, outside of him just being a problem in general, is this change in our political spectrum of being like, oh, you can just have no background in politics or policy or law and still be president. So that is just crazy. Everyone, I mean, at this point will have been It's probably over. Everyone

should listened to Bagman by Rachel Maddow. It's a new podcasted about that um and it's it's this eerie thing of her talking about Spirit Agnew who's Nixon's vice president

during Watergate and just to his vice president. But um, he was sort of like this precursor to Trump where he was this political outsider who came in who would like shut down uh like stuff at his rallies who would say like really, um, just white nationalists things, and then people got behind it in this weird way where people are like, wait, this is working, this is like having an effect, and so and so. Richel Manto's whole thing now is that like he like he was stopped

and like this has this. It's not that this is without president like president like outsiders come in all the time in the cyclical way, and like this is Donald Trump and all these outside this this wave of like, oh, unqualified people running for office is not necessarily a new thing, and that it's been sort of quashed before and we just have to like and then Rachel Mattoll always says, like on her show night after night, she's like I will believe that there will be leadership to come and

like change. That's like that I am sure of. So that's the thing. It's important to to maintain some level of belief that like it will change. It has everything and it always does. That's the whole. It's a cyclic thing. It's just I remember like thinking learning about like civil rights and like stuff for jets and all of these things being like oh, watching that will never something that

will never happen in our lifetime. I remember thinking like, oh, I'll never watch something, You'll never have to fight for something, will never have to watch it fall apart in a real way where I remember like even thinking about like protesting, being like out like we'll never have to do that, or just feeling like wow, like I wish there was something that we could all like really band together and believe in. You know what I mean. And it is very crazy that this is happening. I mean, this is

a very very dark time. Yeah, but we should end things on a light or not. And we're gonna. I don't think so, honey, even though this has been and I don't think so, honey, the past ten minutes have been. I don't think so, honey. The state of our world, yes, um, but we have with us An this is actually I think you've done the most. You've done, You and Pat have done the most. But but I always whenever I'm sucking around Greta, I'm like, all right, if we're here

doing a show, we must have. We must have. It's my favorite. It's my favorite show. Do you have something? Yes, I have something? Okay, you want to start? I would like to start. You would like to start? This is Matt Row, and this is going to be wild. This is Matt Row. This is I don't think so, honey. As time starts now, I don't think so, honey. Kids at the Magic Kingdom, you shouldn't be here. You know what,

It's not for you anymore. It's for the kids that grew up that can because guess what, all your dad's you need to take a parenting lesson, and you you need to get the funk out here. And if you're gonna have your fucking camera on flash on these rides, bitch, fucking pay attention to the fucking things that they tell you on the line the whole time, which is no flash photography. And then you're fucking stupid kid sees you not follow the rules, and then they're fucking shipping all

over the goddamn grounds. And all the fucking mothers who have a problem with me for being at the fucking Magic Kingdom can get a fucking grip because I don't think so, honey. You coming up and yelling at me like I didn't pay the same ticket, your ticket was cheaper, because it's the child I paid more. I deserve more, fuck you because I saw we're done I'm sorry a meme. Oh yeah, I saw this name this very angry mother.

There was an angry mother, bitch, and she had had it with She called someone a slut, she called someone she said there was a C word in slutty shorts, trying to get a chicken wing. My favorite thing that she said was, um, this is all like a like sheleica. But then she goes, uh, you you young people will never know the joy of buying your child. Mickey Mouse ears after a long day of screaming at them or something.

She was outing herself as a bad parent. Which I'm saying is I'm furious because the behavior is irresponsible and and they must go and honestly, fair, it's fair. You know what. You go to Epcot, honey, you go to Walt Disney World, Hollywood Studios, you go to Animal Kingdom, you have the time of your life. You step into Magic Kingdom. It's a fucking zoo. And it's because these kids.

Take then take all the kids to Epcot, as far as I'm concerned, take them to Epcott, have them go around the world, culture the culture, and then caught his culture. Honestly culture, I've got his culture. Gorgeous the experimental prototype community of tomorrow. It has failed as an idea because now they're using their I P you're upset. No, I'm just I'm trying to I'm trying to move us along.

Can make one point, they've decided to make world showcases like thing for their intellectual property, and that's a no. And also, a future world is not the future. Future world is no longer the future because it's become too hard to break the future. Will there even be one? This is bowen Yang. I don't think so, honey. And as time begins now, I don't think so, honey. The fucking idiot who emailed our seak treatment slash last Culture is just crossover event Advice Hour and ask some fucking

stupid question about there about moving to a new city. Okay, good luck, but they ended their They ended their question with also, are we living in a post I don't think so, honey, world it's getting old. And I immediately

archived it. I was like, none of us, Matt, Patt and Katherine are not seeing this bullshit, because how fucking I mean whatever, You're able to like shoot on my art all you want in the privacy of your own home, don't do it to me when we're opening up like we're we're giving you a channel, a direct line to us. That's so fucking rude. Also, there's plenty where where that came from. I don't know. Matt and I have fucking ideas up up our assets. We have so many ideas.

I'm waiting to fucking douche them out from the lining of my bowels because that's where they come from. I work from within my gut, so all my elementary ideas will come spilling forth. I will literally shift on you with all the ideas that we have for the podcast, how dare you should on this segment that has brought people joy? And I normally don't talk about my work in this way where but it's I think, I think it's been a it's been a good thing, and how

dare you? And that's well over one minute. I was fans. You've attacked the fans, and I have to say that this person wasn't a fan. This person directed. This person directed their question at Patton Captain. Great you because we're all on the email and if you're this is a treatment as dirty fans that I'm going to throw it out. They were fans they don't. You're stoking the flames of this conflict that was say that that was created by Joel. First of all, don't play into this. You're playing not

even talented. Okay, well, so I'm just this. This particular person I don't care to know their name just upset me. And I was like, no one's, no one's, no one's seeing this is a business model that says Hills all the time. Attack the fans, especially a real culture number fifty four, attack the fans. Okay, this is Gretta titleman's I don't think so, honey, close this out. We both just we were really both very on brand. I'm like, really stressing that brand. But you were defending your art, honey,

and that's what you should do, you know. I'm like you, guys, I do have a champ. I am an all Teimer you are. I think I'm gonna just okay, do I think I'm gonna do. I think I'm gonna do one that I've been thinking for a while. That sounds great, This is great time wins. I don't think so, honey, and her time starts now, I don't think so, honey. Pashmina's okay, if you are wearing a fucking pashmina and it is not kashmir or a designer. Get it out of my fucking face. I am sick of these girls

pairing a formal look with an acrylic pagemin I really am. Also, if you are chilly, bitch, get a jacket. Do not look cold. Do not look me in the eyes cold at the wedding wrapping yourself in a pashmina. You know it was a bad choice and it doesn't look good. Pains are still a thing. Also, summer scarves just gonna tag it on. Take the book and summer scarf off. I'm sick of these accessories. I'm sick of a trash accessor. Okay, I do it downgrades. The look also reminds me of

my step mom. So there's that, and just pashmina's as a whole. It's like, don't cheapen yourself, you know, make it elevated. Give me something more, give me a give me a fur, give me a feather, give me something more rich like a pagemina. My fucking face, this isn't nine. I'm not at your bot mitzvah, you know, so fuck off. Five seconds remember actud Mike dropped last time with the fresh then that's one minute them well. And I also feel the same way about sucking beanies, like get a

beanie out of my face. You know, Okay, you've been talking about doing this pashmina one for a long time. I have a lot of feelings about that. They're just you can get a lot. There are a lot of cheap pashminas that exists in the world, and they make the they make the integrity of a good scarf just watered down, and that is fucked up in front of you. I will judge you, God bless, I will judge you a few mina. Just get out of here. Um, if you can buy it off a stand on the street,

was going to be that guy. Know it was going to be that. I had a street pretzel yesterday. Wow. I see, like like every tourist in the world and famous fictional New Yorker Carrie Bradshaw, I bought a fucking pretzel off the street. Did carry by a pretzelf? She always? And she or she was like fake eating a hot dog, like sucking down a wiener. Fuck her, Fuck her, we're getting out of culture. Fuck just say that, like, let's talk about real Hollywood ruining ship hot dogs okay, makes

them look so much more glamor. Alright, we gotta go. But I would vote for you for president. Oh my god, thank you, because this is the this is the no nonsense bitch we need. I would fucking be a great president. I can see. I see the split screen between her, between Greta and Donald, and I'm not even worried what I'm just saying it. Yeah, I know. And they wouldn't know what to do with that. He get it hard. He'd be like, what, yeah, spooky? Is that? Okay? This

sounds gross? That one needs to be? Is that what needs to happen? He needed be? Does he need to be sexually so beated? On national national television, international television to be continue to be continued. We finished every episode with the song okay, okay, oh now doing the pop version. That's where will be a chase one dress place for you? Can we do the harmony me? I was trying to go up the third and then by bye. This has been a Forever Dog production, executive produced by Brett Boum,

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