"Public Apology" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

not even her. She's just she said to us, mind's at home. Not to brag. And I was like, no brag, brag if I ever went a Grammy, forget it. Forget every conversation. I'm starting my Grammy's at home. But to brag. Okay, well, we were in discussion on something. First, let me quickly say that I am still glowing. You know when you're an audience member and you glow from a performance. I'm still glowing from one of the preliminary shows for have

you heard of Christmas Matt's Christmas Special? That's gonna be. I can't say, I can't say we're gonna be. We're gonna bleep it out. We're gonna leep it out. I saw Matt's show at Joe's Pub. I'm doing the show. We can't necessarily say explicitly what it is in detail, but if you follow context clues, you can understand. I've been working on a project. The Katie's are sleuths after all. Um and I just you were fantastic. Thank you, and Bowen Yang flew up to be able to see it,

and that was very kind. I just I couldn't miss it for the world because I go to the taping. Unfortunately, there's a taping. There's a taping. I'm I'm revealing too much. It's okay, honestly, like I have something exciting coming out at the end of the year. It's sound of a big deal for me, and my sister came up to support and it is truly. It was truly sister supports capital and I was so so so happy, thrilled. It's

I was in the presence of true talent. It was fantastic. Anyway, Queena, Um, you were talking about Bowen feels summer slip from my fingers because I wanted I kind of measured Matt into going out for a little dancing tonight because we're in the same town for one more day, and then who knows when the next time we'll see each other will be. Oh yeah, I guess it's gonna be a while. Huh,

it's gonna be that. That's why I pushed for it, Okay, I understand so anyway, but I feel summer slipping through my fingers, and I am a little anxious because I have like back to school anxiety coming coming different for you for that reason. So then what's your argument. Well, I've been over summer since Brian, but also it was you know what, I don't have the same relationship to summer ending because you have very much a primetime television schedule which is very back to school. It's just call

it's just collegiate. It's a collegiate schedule, whereas my schedule is more loosey goosey. I only have a regiment to schedule for eight weeks of the year. So I do love it, Oh my god. But you know what though, Um, it's not that it's not that I don't love so er, it's just that, um, and I'm so tired, I'm so sick of myself saying this but I've spent so much summer in New York and I just don't enjoy it here period. I understand, girl, but love being here for

the reasons that I'm here. I love performing. I've been performing. I reconnect with my lifeblood. Since says um, well, let's just agree to disagree. I gree to disagree on the concept of summer. On the concept of summer. I do have to make a couple of apologies. Oh, I know this is a public apology episode. In fact, the title of public apoblic apology. Um. I, for one, I was very stupid in thinking that the breastfeeding room at the

Delta Sky Club was a fun room. UM many, many, many katies informed me those rooms are for nursing nursing parents. I thought you knew that they were for a nursing party. You are being glib and making a joke. You know what. I think that the arrative for me this Summari is that I'm stupid. I'm stupid. I society is really falling apart. No, I don't know. Oh no, I'm just taking acountability that

that is something I have to apologize for. I do have to apologize for my for Tata I don't think so, honey, because the reason why they need to scrambled eggs is because it's hard to make scrambled eggs look fluffy for a long period of time if they go untouched. I have breaking news about this. What so someone who works in design for Delta Sky, Oh my god, God in my d m Zara Katie. Yes, And she said, I want to tell you that I work in like furniture

and design and stuff like that. And she takes a little triangle chair and she said, I hope you enjoy what I do. And I said I do very much. Yes, Oh my god. And she said, I just want to let you know you could tell Bowen the concern was heard, and it happened on a good day because there's a meeting later. What I am not kidding you had an impact. Oh my god. No, But I'm here to maybe resend that. I don't think, so don't because I don't want to know. The quote that she said was it did not fall

on deaf ears. Well, that's very nice to hear. And you know, we love Delta, the Queen of Malines three Delta, it's the queen um. But I have heard from people in the service industry who work with eggs specifically, it's hard to be girls. It's hard to make scrambled eggs look appetizing for sort of sitting out there and no one's touching them. Yeah. I mean also, like, I don't know about you, but I'm not a picky eater really, but with scrambled eggs, if there's even I can't even explain.

It's like an intangible but like if they're a little bit off, I opt out and I will go for like a pastry or something. Absolutely, always a sausage patty, Always a sausage patty. Finally, this is apology. We put forth the theory that Beyonce hate Lizza because Liza was not mentioned in the Queen's remix of Break My Soul and what in fact, she was absolut luly name checked.

We heard this through a friend we won't name. It was so basically I demanded, so Boonen is apologizing in and I will be a part of this apology because we are the ones that propagated this on the podcast. We did not. Basically, our friend Matt Whittaker said he feels and he is a part of the bee hive. Perhaps even more so than us. I think he's the biggest Bee Hive member that we know. Did you know that for all the Griggios which is what they call their friend group, I have in l A one year

for Christmas. It was the Covid Christmas, And what I got for all of them was I got them all coasters with their favorite person that they stand so like. For my friend Gus, I got him Patti Lapone. For Jared, I got him like like eight like all Taylor Swift album right. Oh my god, I love those coasters. Those those were really clutch, so etcetera, etcetera. I think Um Lewis, I got Madonna and so um for that Wittaker, I got him Beyonce once because I know he's in the

Hive and it's that iconic like it's like yellow. She's in like a yellow get up. It's like Carmen san Diego, but yellow on a black coaster, really good excellence. So he is, to say the least Beyonce Hive. And he said to us the theory that Beyonce hates Lizzo because Lizzo wasn't in the Queen's remix, And so we took that word as bond we took that words about and then we confronted Whittaker on this and refused to apologize. I asked for him to send in a taped apology

and he has yet to do so. He won't. He won't do it. I don't think he will. He said that the theory originated from the fact that Lizzo was on Carpoo Karaoke and told James Cordon that she loves Beyonce but that she's never met her, and the fact that they're both Houston natives and that Beyonce has not reached out to Lizzo means that Beyonce has some has some animus. I don't think that's possibly true, because remember, Beyonce did post a Happy Birthday Lizzo Instagram. I just

feel so humiliated. I'm humiliated to share humiliation. I do want to just make it clear because some people seem to interpret our discussion of Renaissance last week as tepid. It was as if we entered the country with derringers, because some of these kiddians into terrorists, period, period. And you want to what do you want to say about this?

I just it's one of those things where I don't want to talk about it too much because it's like, oh, you heard something completely different, not even it's not even the intention, it's literally what was said where we literally said it's truly the best album of the year. To be clear, it's the best album of the year, and nothing will beat it. Oh, absolutely no. For me. I have like I've had it on repeat. I think you

know what happened. I think that we've obviously like marinated in it so and felt that the takes on it

have all been given. And then we recorded that episode right after the Chromatical Ball, a concert that we waited for for two years and a half two and a half years, and then we got to go and it was so great and so exciting, and we were with someone that had gone that we sort of got into the gaga of it all, and of course the tailor of it all really took off because Cody had those you know, controversial the least thoughts about Taylor but make

no mistake, ask getting thicker stomping the streets to Renaissance, like don't make no mistake, make no mistake. I just wanted to make that clear, and I just Renaissance is I mean to say that it's a peak of my personal life, of Boonen's personal life is putting it mildly. We absolutely stand. We are in the beehive. I mean, and let's not even get into it like we had.

We had one beloved reader and actually, you know, Bone and I both responded to this instant post because this reader was like, Wow, maybe y'all should have not talked about Renaissance at all, and I was like, wow, that was not that, that was not the feeling, that was not what we thought. But if that was this being the public apology episode, if that was the if that was the vibe that we got put off into the energy into the universe because of Renaissance, let's just all

begin on the same page. No, no, we're all grooving like virgos to this one. Oh my god period period. We've been delivered dead ass, dead ass dot com. I feel sorry for these girls. I just want to say that I'm I'm back and I feel so sorry for these girls. And we're sleeping real good at night. Oh my god, what are you thinking of apologizing for next? And we're not doing this the whole episode, but no, I just want to I do feel that that we

we were contrite and now I refuse to be contrite again. Yeah, no, I'm good. Okay, I've apologized for everything I feel I need to apologize for it, and if I do anything on this episode that is apology worthy, I want I want to apologize for it later. Now this is this is a designated time also announced nauseated by the apologies, this is the turn where we get to kind of take some people to task. We're honesty zone is at this time done. We're not doing any more honesty zones

because it's getting dangerous. Wells, I love that it's dangerous, but some of these some of these katies are recording the damn lives. Yeah, it's in bad faith and that's that's that's I will say. That was not a rule that we did not come out and say, please don't record this, because that would sound so souss and weird. But it kind of I don't know. I think honesty zone is on our system. I mean, in the words of the Countess, don't be all uncool, don't be recording live,

don't be all like uncool. I mean, look, here's what I'll say. Let's just make a pack you and I. Let's get tacked oile for a second for now on everything is the honest, everything honestly. I don't need a zone for honesty. I brought up the honesty zone of my therapist. You did because I need to reevaluate my relationship with honesty, okay, and I need to like really write about honesty. He wants me to write about honesty.

And I feel like, you know, I've used little white lies as like things to ob skate reality for like a very long time, and that we work in a business where you kind of have to smile and say no, everything's great, right, you know, kind of use subterfuge, deceit lies, this little white lies, little white lies to sort of navigate and shooting this project was amazing. Every day was a dream. There you go, there you go, there you go. I love it. So I'm gonna try to be more honest.

Can I say something about therapy? Yes? Are you really loving your therapist? I that we hit a little saggy era. I think was it because you felt that there was not much to talk about it because you weren't connecting in terms of you feel he wasn't helping. I feel like there wasn't much to talk about. But lately, there's been plenty to go through, and I think he's really he's truly the smartest person I've met, besides you and Sudy Girl A girl. Well you know that. I don't

know if the readers know this. Oh I just said, Okay, can I say something. It seems like the reader's Katie's, publicists, etcetera. Are rejecting Katie's Katie's the spelling or the whole name. I don't know. It just feels like there's some hesitance to be called Katie's. Let's just try it out for the rest of the month. Let's just try and see how it feels Katie's. We're trying to evolve as a podcast, not of all, but just like we're trying to keep

it fun. We have to just it's a renaissance era, y'all. We've been doing this for first like six and a half year. We have to change, to switch it up. We have to be like the Queen of reinvention. Say it with me, Christine. Alright, So, I don't know if the Katies know this. I have two therapists, that's right, which I at first shocked me. But I kind of love as long as it's working for you. It is because Okay, so this is how it started, which is not uncommon by the multiple many people I know have

multiple therapists. All right, So that makes me feel better because I feel as though, so basically what happened was I started therapy, and what I'm told is you're supposed to sort of speed your theories, you know, like you have a couple of sessions, and then one of them will sort of search to the front of the pack.

I love them both, that's amazing. And one of them is very it's giving trouble and well, they don't know about each other, and I have a feeling like, what is it going to come up giving double blind trouple that it's giving the sea That's no, I don't think it is, though, do you think either of them would sort of I don't know much their pearls, so they're different. So one of them is very like Eagle Rock, like

Crystal vibes. There's a pillow that says but full, you know what I mean it's like, and I feel more emotional with her, and then the other one is more clinical, ask questions, queer woman, you know what I mean that I have and also like I see them both bi weekly, so I schedule them on uh, I see one one week and then another the other week. So it's like I go weekly, but with the other one, I option off and on. And it's not like I'm working on one particular issue in my life that I need to

have a through line with either of them. It's kind of just like I sit down to therapy and I talk and what comes up gets discussed. So in that way, it's not rubbing, it's not rubbing, it's not bumping. But do you ever find yourself on certain weeks where you have Eagle Rock Lady and you're like, I wish I had clinical Queer Never, I'm always excited to see either one of amazing. Yeah, then I then there's no notes. Then I have no No, I'm just gonna keep doing

it because it's feeling good. And if you're paying weekly anyway, if you're paying roughly the same as you would if you receive one therapist weekly, then why not. I will say one of them is much more expensive than the other, but it doesn't matter. No, it's fine, and it's interesting that the one is more expensive than the other. Anyway, I probably shouldn't be talking about I don't. I don't. Okay,

so get this, this is an interesting thing. So one therapist says to me, I want you to know I watched your series and I was like, oh, thank you for watching, and she goes, yeah, I think you're great. I think it's really good. I watch it with my wife and then she goes about four or five weeks later, she said, so, me and my wife were watching Fire Island and she said, isn't not that actor from the show and this can't My therapist said, oh, yeah, I guess that is. And she's like I had to pretend

like I didn't know you. And I was like, wait, so you have you You can't even be honest with your partner about like, oh yeah, I have that person in therapy and she goes, no, that would be breaking I guess the code or whatever, and I was like, that's crazy. I would not be able to keep that secret. That's where you're not a therapist big mouth big mouth. I apologize for being sort of like I think I just gasped when you told me. A couple of weeks. I was like, wait, what, but this makes total sense.

What about the therapist? But having to I'm obsessed with therapy, and you know what, chill you need to watch therapy, A couple of therapy on Showtime with the Queen or a gram or no. I mean, come on, this woman is not only a great therapist. And the way that they do the camera set up. If any readers are Katie's whatever you gets, are comfortable being gold, um watch

the show. You know what I'm saying, Like it's just an actual therapy session because the cameras are back behind the walls, so it can you can really just watch them be in the therapy session. Um. But this woman is not only a great therapist, but pops on cam. She's like a Robin Wigert very much that Wow, congratulations, you really are a thank you. She's played multiple therapists. I guess you're right, and big Little Lie. And then

it's something else recently that's come out. Oh my god, wow, yeah, I totally forgot about she was in something else where she was I was like, okay, this is this is type I guess, yeah, yeah, wow, yeah, I mean that's soft lighting in her office. Her voice is so perfect. I can't even remember long of that was an iconic show. My god, oh my God, one of the nominees for Best News. We heard Big Little Season too. She wasn't she should have been in it. It was missing her.

Oh she was, she was in it, but it wasn't. I mean it didn't have the engine to like involve her as like the cold was still seeing her, but it wasn't. There wasn't like the urgency right right, which I could kind of say for the whole second season, I kind of became a soap and I love soaps. We love soaps. And then shower do you want to talk about morning show? I The only big new as I've heard is that John Hamm has added to the

cast as a rate. And someone who works in production contacted me and was like, and this is what they said. They said, I want you to know the third graders are working over time on the season, Like I'm third graders are on set this season. Yeah, the third punching a live punch up, doing live punch up. John Hamm demanded it, John John John Hamm is a Katie is demanded it. And then the third graders are like literally like booting ground producing just being like no, no, no,

we let's actually like strike this. Put that in there. Do that through this. Oh my god, I love it. So I just voted for the Emmys. Yes, and who did you vote? I voted for you. Okay, you didn't have to. I voted for you, sister. Thank you, thank you, thank you so much. And I have to say, um, when I got to Lead Actress Drama and I saw Bradley Jackson on the damn Balloch almost clicked it, no Melanie to Oh my god, I hope she wins. I hope so too. But that's a stacked category. I think

it isn't damn it do it again. Yeah, there's blows around the money though, And you have to remember those working actresses, like everybody loves them. Everybody loves them, the industry respects the hell out of them. I actually think Melanie is gonna win in a landslide. I can't wait. I'm excited. Yeah, I mean, like, if you want to

call them precursors, I guess. But like she's won so many of the awards wile we were there when she won the critic she wan Hollywood Critics Association, different DIFFERENTESCE was that that h A or A? Yeah? I got nominated, but I don't I didn't get invited to the ceremony. I don't think you lost, and sorry about that. That's okay. I'm so sorry to this man. Sorry to this man. I it's I'm I'm taking my mom to the Emmys. Are Yeah, and it'll be nice. And she's not gonna

know what the hell is going on. She doesn't watch any of the shows. But I'm just happy. She's like, I'm just excited to see what it's like. I'm like, Oh, that's so fun. That's such a great thing. That's so tom cruise of you. I think it's a thing like everyone brings their mom to No, that's so great. I feel like that's a really really good vibe to like. And then she'll be there when you lose to Brett and it will be so medazing. She won't know what

the hell she'll she'll just be You're gonna lose to Bratt. Absolutely, I'd be happy to lose to any of them. All great nominee category brothers. I think that you are going to get nominated every year, and they're gonna be I and when you went on your nineteenth nomination, because you'll be at s n L for a nineteen everyone's gonna absolutely weep and they're gonna say bo when yang Boh. Yeah, Keenan hasn't won one is he's such a legend. But didn't he win an Emmy for writing the song with

he Wants? So he is an Emmy with him? Chris brad and Will Stephen a winners. We love what I'm saying for for acting. I know this is a man who can do it all. He should really have like a Hollywood Walk of Fame stars he did. He just got you know what. That's why it was in my head. Good for him, I mean, talk about a deserving person.

And upcoming guests on the pod. Jennifer Lewis also got one, and I got to be there at the ceremony, sat next to Andy, sat next to Brandy Norwood herself, and she turned to me and she said hey, and I was like, Hi, I am such a huge fan names Matt. I'm on the show with Jennifer And she said, oh. She told me I'm not allowed to watch it unless she comes over with me, but we're gonna talk. We're gonna ask Jennifer next week that you have to go watch the show with Brandy so that she can see

Matt well okay. So it was so funny because she was giving the best energy. She She had her camera taking videos of Jennifer as she kept screaming yes, Auntie, Yes, Auntie. I love it. I honestly, I turned to Vanessa, who was on my left, I was like, I have to tell you, like, I fucking stand like since since since I never sitting up in my room since the beginning, since the Moisha, I mean, thank god they put Mosha

on Netflix too. I used to fucking take Mosha to the Danny Brandy is a talent, one of the best singers in modern stree. But I mean when she sat down next to me, I was like, I really was living my life and she was giving the best vibes. And I didn't know that she was close with Jennifer, but Jennifer is that vibe. She said, she's a hub in the wheel. Yes, And Debbie Allen gave one of the speeches. It was amazing, Are you kidding me? Debbie, Mark Shaman and Debbie Allan because Mark Shaman is like

one of her best friends. Did they work together ever? They did? Actually, so from way back in the day, you know how Jennifer started was and she'll talk about this when she comes on the pod. I'm sure we'll ask. But she was one of Bette Midler's backup singers. Oh my god, yes, that's how she got her big break. So she was like touring with Bet like seventies eighties, Bet like eighties Bet. I love eighties Bat. She's got

some great songs. Yeah. And if you read Jennifer's book or listen to the audiobook, even better, the mother of Black Hollywood. And she's coming on to promote her new book, which is called Walking in My Joy in These Streets, which, by the way, her publicist need to send the book. Yeah, I would love to read it. We have to read it before she comes on, please, because you know we read the book like Sonny Houston while I read the book, which, by the way, did we tell the readers and the

katies that I did that impression for her? Yeah, no we didn't. I don't think we did. So when we were when we did the view, Bowen literally says to Sonny, Matt does an impression of you. I didn't say that you did? You did? You did? Oh my god, you were like, that does an impression of you? And she turned to me and She's like, well, what is it And I said, well, I read the book. She loved it. Yeah, because we had just talked about how she we can reveal,

was the only one that watched the movie. She watched the movie. I think that's it. Yeah, I think I think Anna was. I don't know if I had to watch the movie. And Anna was just like I was so excited about Margaret Show. Yes, Anna was like, we said Margaret Show and she lit up. And Whoopee was didn't watch the movie, but was very supportive. She was so supportive of it and very excited that Joe had written it. Yes. Yes, Whoopy said many times how important

it is to create your own work. And she is, of course the solo show icon self starter number one. The fact that that's still like like gets gets her. Like that just the concept of someone being a self starter like the Joel is like, that's that's that's amazing. She was beaming off camera about it, and she really was, Yeah, we got we We did like a little reception that night, and she was so effusive and so nice to us and yeah, like this she she just she's not stray

too far from her values. I would say, no for for for the length of her career anyway to her principles are still there, which are like, you know, you got it, like you have to make it happen for yourself. And then she said something interesting. She's like, she goes because they're not checking for us. And then I think someone, maybe it was Sarah, said well, they're checking for you, and then Whoopy goes but never first and that just

to know that, like you know, who be Goldberg. Yeah, oh my god, right anyway, Okay, Jennifer Lewis, Oh, I was talking, So we were starting we were talking about soaps and were you transitioning into housewives. There's much to say, There's much to say. There's so much to say. We're recording this episode before we get to Aspen, which is like Beverly Hills is about to really pop off apparently

in Aspen. But I want to say something and I want to direct it at Lista Arena, who I've always you know, sort of appreciate it as like the fun villain of the show sort of getting conflict. She keeps saying on the show that, um, she's getting herself, cutting herself slack and giving herself quote unquote grace because her mother just passed away. And I have all the sympathy in the world for Lisa Arena for the death of Lois. She seemed like an incredible woman and I know they

had a close relationship. This is just a global note I have for everyone in the world. You cannot use your grief as an excuse to treat people badly. And I think it's gross. It's it's a it's an organizing principle for her right now or when they were shooting this season, because I would say her instinct a lot of the time is to dominate, and so I think

that's what's happening. Because I'm actually watching because you and I are both rewatching season four of Potomac, and Karen's parents died within six months of seven months of each She is deeply grieving, and I would say she does not give herself carte blanche to like be monstrous to people because Lisa Is can I say, Beverly Hills really bum bummed me out this season overall, and I'm not

I'm saying past tense because it's almost there. I just think no one's like, no one's really like, no one's really that sympathetic or at least no one is that like person to me where I can be like, well, at least I like them where I'm watching whereas I'm watching Potomac now past seasons and even like i rewatched the season six episode where Wendy pops off at Gazelle and Robin, and I'm like, see, I love the show because and I've said this before, Baseline enjoy all of

them as people, even Gazelle when she sucks up, like, she's still really funny. She's still so funny. And I'm like, and I was talking to some people when I was posting about Potomac on my stories, like overall best vibes of any city franchise in my opinion, But anyway, Beverly Hills, I'm like, God, each of them are a little just just a little like gross to me. You know. The thing is like, and here's the deal, It's like ze Way tweeted this, and I thought that it was very apt.

So essentially, all these women are characters on a television show. And ze Way said the reason why Lisa Vanna is not working on this season is because her character is not grounded. She has no motivation, like she'll be in one scene and apologize and say I have to get over some things and I know I'm being out of control, and then in the next scene she'll be a complete monster. And then the same scene, after she broke down at the Homeless not Toothless party, she fucking sorry she like

homeless not toothless. That eight minutes of TV was iconic. It does make the whole season worth it. Please there was. It honestly harkened back to ugly other pants, like almost

but it's better than early weather pants to me. I'm just saying, like, in terms of a sequence of television, these women dressed up for a disco party for to celebrate a like are in a beauty launch for the second time, like them dressed up in this garb arguing about the title of a charity the order if it's toothless not homeless or homeless not toothless, And it's just them, all of them, saying it over and over again, and it's it's it's literally Kristin Shaw is a horse like

they just keep saying it, and so it gets funny and then unfunny and then funny again, and it's so insane to me, homeless notime, I'm sick of it, and then I love it, and then I'm sick of it and it's it's incredible homeless not toothless. And then I have to say, I've said it so many times that I did go to the website and almost make it there you go, but then I found out they have like a bad they have like a bad rating from like there you go charity, charity dot com or whatever.

Those two reps at the dinner that was us, That was us. That was very watching. I think they're playing plots of jet them. I mean, ultimately those ladies just silently just like just like and then I loved in the last episode when they're like Dory was like you guys can leave, like you don't have to sit here, and they were like we don't know if we want to leave or want to stay, like this is wild. And then Melissa Ethridge coming out. Can you imagine like

Garcela was absolutely so bummed out that Melissa Ethridge. I just listened to them scream or maybe she didn't was she She was not under the fucking cloth the whole time. She wasn't under the cloth. Kathy was like under the cloth. I did stand when Kathy said, I've worked with the home, I've worked with the toothless. I mean, as as a gawker did a great article. I think it was Kelly Conor. Boy, it's time to press the factory reset button on Kathy. It's it's tough. We're going to see how this the

rest of the season turns out. But I will say it was shocking to watch watch What Happens Live when they played that game which was setting her up to fail, but she did fail, which was do you know this person? And they showed a picture of Lizzo and she wins at the screen said I can't see it. Who is that precious? And then some people said, well, she probably thinks it's preciously the model who like does bear a

resemblance to Lizzo. But I think I think she was trying to make a joke and was you know, it was a racist When you tell someone I don't know, it's like it's like emperson you close. It's like when you sort of like kind of love or celebrate someone for being like I don't know, like ignorant, that of touch that way, it's it's setting them up for something awful. I mean, the thing is she was not celebrated for

this one. I mean, she was dragged on Twitter and even issued an apology, and she said in the apology like, my eyesight is bad. My eyesight is bad, but that's not the point. I mean. So we will see how this goes with Kathy, because apparently something major happens with Kathy Hilton and Aspen. It's right where Kyle freaks out at her. But did you see so sometimes in the

edit they hint at this stuff. So there was a moment in the last episode of Beverly Hills where she's talking to someone and she says, you know, Rick, her husband says to me all the time, you have to be careful what you say because if you say the wrong thing. And you have to wonder why was that in the episode, because they're probably hinting that something is about to happen because they just took that snippet of casual conversation rights and put that in there. That's like

that kind of politically says something about her. And you remember that scene where Diana says to Garcella, you're the coldest of the bunch. I feel like I can't get to know you. And Garcella's like, what are you talking about? And then Kathy laughs. When Renna starts to get involved, you can see Rinna and Erica decide that Kathy is the next on their list. I think because to target. Yeah, because Kathy laughed at them because she thought they were

being as stupid as they were being. Yeah, I'm so where Erica, Jane I, me and Pat Regan share have us in comment. Never really Erica fans to beginning, I always like Dereka, and then when everything happened, I was like, actually, at the beginning, I remember when we get Cecily on. Cecily was very America. I wonder what she is now.

I don't know. I would love to talk to Cecily about this, but I can't imagine that Cecily, being the rational person she is and very like nuanced in her thinking when it comes to housewives and things in general, that she can sympathize much longer with the whole Erica situation. Just the behavior is so rotten, it's not good, and like that moment, I mean, you want to feel bad for her, but then I go, she's also just a monster, where she's like, look at this, I don't want to

be here I'm gonna have this life. Look at my life. I don't mean while she's living in a fucking like like like truly Hancock Park. You're not like, yeah, you're fine. She's She's actually fucking Fontine up in here. She acting, she's acting like Fontine. You think she was Fontine, toothless homeless. Fantine was home looked toothless. Toothless. Fantine was homeless and truthless. Literally had to sell her teeth for pennies. I can't think about Fantine. I'll get too sound, you know if

I get into Fantine. Honey, Wait, tears are coming. You want to know something. I'm getting really emotional about just life in the world. I look at my damn nieces. I turned a corner with my nieces. Not that it was ever like Aunt Tiny, Well, remember when you hated your nieces. I never hated it, But I was kind of like Ellie's being a little like in her terrible twos. Ellie was being kind of and she was stressing at my sister and my brother in law, and I felt sorry.

Children are hard to love in their terrible to period period. Children will listen, and children are hard to love in their terrible twos. Honey, the way I'm going to see into the woods again on about it? Can you go off? Okay, but talk about your nieces. Well, first, I just this is into the woods. This is business leads into into the woods and at them and I just go, oh my god, the things you say juding us, and I just think they're so wonderful and I believe they are

the future. Well they're so, I will say again. And I don't like to just boil kids down to their looks like this, because I know that can be damaging. But these girls are staring. I vowed to never comment on their looks until they're gay, until they're like sixteen, and then be like, hey, hon, I know I've never said it before. Mama, you're starting, Mama, slay I since you were born, they are well, you know, I just

I'm more and more aware of the fact. Like like I like I was at home with my sister, my brother in law, the nieces, and my parents, and like it was really nice to have everybody there, and I was able to appreciate, like it it was nice for every instead of reverting, which I usually do, want to go back home, like a lot of people do. I we all were just able to focus on the girls in some way at least, which was nice, and appreciated my parents and your parents thing, and appreciated my sister

and the way she parents. And then I just think that it made me understand and remember that children absorb the emotional environment they're in, and I'm like, damn, like it sucks that they're growing up in a time where everything is terrible. When do you think your sister will tell the girls that you're a sodomite? I think tomorrow. I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna call you tonight and say, Mama, tonight is the night the night tell the girls I take it but style, but style, I take a butt style.

And then you tell the phone like this done, and you go okay, Joshua, Henry, Pippa Sue, Sarah Barella O Pippa Sue? Are are we calling her Pippa because her name is Philippa? Her name is Philippa. But she goes to she goes to most people. She she goes, She turns to me, she goes, you can call me Pippa. Seriously, she did that? Yeah me? Did you actually meet her? Yeah? I've better multiple times. Oh my god, what I d

m her like a freak. I don't know she she has to understand the impact she's had on cultural stas, unless cultural stas even she should come on. She's she's got to come on. She is. I also fucking stand her husband. Did you see Bridges? I never saw Bridges. No, this was like it was giving capital L capital M leading man like Broadway voice and fucking just stack. No o, my god, it's crazy, or like that's a star, handsome man,

amazing voice, amazing after you're like, this is unfair. The tony snub that was should have been heard around the world for Bridges. Oh it was. It was horrible. This was back when I was like still like I like it wasn't seeing that many shows because I just didn't have it, like the instinct like the biggest for grad I have about my time at Y and I know I never I never saw shows and in my you do you understand the discounts that we could have right now?

It's crazy. I remember our freshman year, like the thing the thing to do, like orientation week was to go everyone went to go see in the heights, like they would take like huge like bus loads of freshmen to go.

It wasn't in the was a Spring Awakening. It was no, we miss spring Away, or maybe it was no, it was spring Awakening, because you want to know what I did see Spring Awakening Welcome Week so jealous and it was I remember I sat next to this guy Luke that I had a major crush on, and I'm flashing back and I was out, not in the closet. I was in the closet, and I remember there's like the scene where to your body the reprint or it's like

the gay scene. And I swear to god, I was bursting out of my pants and I could feel like the energy from him next to me was giving you some No he it was just like we were sitting there just like both like fucking bursting, so closeted and that could have been so hot. And I just watched this happen on stage and it was just like that's like a formative memory, like sitting there like listening to these gays singing to each other. By the way, I think it was Blake Daniel, Oh my god, I think

it was. It might have been. Anyway, we know so many Ernst, we do so many bottoms that play Earnst. Anyway, yeah, we and we need to be seeing more. I do need to be seeing more. I feel like I feel like this season I've I've I've gotten to see wonderful show. We'll give more of your take on Into the Woods. It was fantastic. It's it's a it's a full proof show. I was talking a close goal about it and they were like, it's I was like, it's a basic answer,

but it's my favorites on him. They're like, that's not basic. They go, it's a full proof show. It can you can never go wrong with it. And I said, what I realized this time launching it was because I only this is my first time seeing it a lot, because I only see the PBS recording. Likewise, um, and I realized, and this is again like a very very basic thing to understand about the show because people have known this for decades. But it's a show. It's an impactful show

because it's a show about impact. It's a show about you know, children listen, consequences and everybody getting what they want and then it all falling apart, like you know, it's just such a good show. And this this production was so perfect I do regret not seeing it City Center, but I just loved the the ensemble of this one. Tina was incredible, Sarah was incredible. See that's why I'm going again, because you didn't get to see Sarry, but you got to see Philippa Pippa. I did see her.

She honestly nailed the physical comedy. I didn't expect the comedy. I don't know what. I think it's because, oh you want to know what. I actually have not seen her on stage because when I saw Hamilton's I think she had either just left or took off. I just missed her. Yeah, so I didn't see her, and I did see all the original cast. Shout out line Manuel, Shout out Lynne, who can come on? When Lynn listens? Lynn at least listen to the Global Songbook episode because Lynn loves the

song Dancing Crazy by Miranda Cose Girls. As result of us putting in on the list, which means he listened for I think that's like in the middle of episode two of this apart two and so he contacted me and told me this, and I said to him, Lynn, it's amazing to hear from you. Congratulations. Unsatisfied making the list I want you to know that Bowen and I used to perform Satisfied and we'd be announced as Renee and the Least Goldsberry. Remember that. I do remember that

so well. Two amazing comedians Renee Lee Scoldsberry, Philippus too. Who knew? Who knew? Oh God, you gotta be You gotta do it all. If you're on Broadway, you gotta do it all. If you're on Broadway, you gotta do it all. I'm telling you. There's a there's a YouTube clip of Audre McDonald's on the Tony Awards performing a number from one ten in the Shade. Um it's called Raunchy. She does an aerial flip. Are you kidding me? I

Am not kidding you. Get onto YouTube right now. Watch the YouTube performance of Raunchy from one tent in the Shade. Audrey McDonald does an aerial flip. And remember that she's Audre McDonald, who has Audre McDonald's voice. Understand that she also can do an aerial flip. You gotta do it all. You can do aerial flips. Sing fucking pork in Bess

fucking be on private practice, forget it. Also, she once played the beggar woman in Sweeney's hod that's your favorite on time it is And I know that I've actually had the opportunity to see Sweeney Todd so many times because actually there's that iconic production they did a few years ago where I believe it was Carolee Carmelo played Mrs Lovett Um and I didn't get to go in like a small space too. I think it was like

somewhere in the East Village. It's like a really tiny the barrel street there um that would have been iconic, and the the gag was they served like actual parties. But I want to see Sweeney Todd done on a big scale because it's such a big show and I want to see like, I want to see big sets. I want to see like a throwback to the original production. Um, because I believe Sweeney Todd is like it's a masterpiece. And I've said on the pod, but I'll say it

again because it bears repeating. There's a concert version of Sweeney Todd that has Patti Lapone, George Hearn, no Patrick Harris at all, and it is a stunning production and it's on YouTube amazing. I haven't seen it. I should, I should see that you'll have to hear. Us has done a lot of Sondheim and a lot of content versions. Wasn't he Bobby for Company? Yes he was, and he also just did the Baker at the City Center en chorus. I heard he was great, Um and he did he

was Toby in Miss Sweeney Todd. Yeah, he's he's quite good at very good at so time. He's a very clear voice. Yes, yeah, he's a good he's a great performer. I gosh, I've I've missed so much Sunheim in the last few years. I missed. Assassin's Assassins is really underrated. I mean, but the Assassins was the City Center and um, Aaron Markey as fucking Squeaky Squeaky heard was iconic. They

probably were unbelieved, of course they were. And then um the original Squeaky by the way, any golden golden so the Giant's wife and grandma and um the tree tree uh I and there's you and it's it's as I'm sorry, I'm jumping all over the place. But then like it made me think likest culture. Such a shame that there are no great film versions of Sundheim. But maybe merrily we were along Richard Linklater might be good, but we're not going to see that for another like, you know,

twenty years. I mean we'll see. I mean, it's got great talent. But I think here's the thing about the Sondheim movie adaptations. I think Sweeney Todd the movie, it's fine if you know absolutely fucking nothing about the original musical. Unfortunately, you're gonna come if if you know an observed culture at all, you will come with an understanding of it, and you'll see that it's not cast well and that

it's dumbed down musically. And I'll say this, you know, I stand hell in the bottom carter, But if you can't understand the words that Mrs Lovett is saying, it doesn't matter. And Johnny Depp is Johnny Depping too much. I love Johnny Depp in it. I know that's unpopular. So I liked a minute a lot. No, it's yeah. I thought he matched the tone that they were going for. If we're gonna do it, Tim Burton, I think Johnny

Depp was good. Do you think it's somewhat dissonant to have like I guess we'll call him like a tourist director with like fucking paired with Sandheim. It's like, I feel like that's that's so I think it depends it's yeah, I just feel like that's so um what's the word like? Hyper constructed? Like there's too much going on. I think people shouldn't be afraid to have this look more like theater,

you know what I'm saying. The thing I loved about this production Into the Woods was it was very bare bones. Was was basically the concert version, but with like a few like production elements. It felt like they had to make it a quick transfer, and they did that while still giving it enough to make it feel like we're seeing a Broadway show that wasn't just like a stage screen right right. But God, these performances good. And I want to say the thing about the end of the

Woods movie. Some of the performances are really good. Like I think Chris Pine is a great yes, very good. Cinderella's Prince. Gosh. I did think during this Broadway show that the kids really get lost a little. Red and Jack are both like, I'm like, I don't remember a single thing about them in the Broadway version. No, no, no,

no no, I'm thinking the movie in the movie. You know, when I was watching the Broadway version and go oh no. The girl who plays Little Red in the Broadway version, Julia Last, Julie Lester, icon and incredible, she said, annoying girls are back. Well. But that's the thing about Little Red is that it's hard to not make that grading. For lack of a better word, you have to lean

in and just go for it. Like it's it's so like Mother's said, straight ahead, like it's like it's literally yes, like yeah, great, it's it's that's where the comedy is. You have to have you have to throw all your vanity away for something like that. And I think that the girl they got for the movie, and I'm sure she's Crawford. I'm sure she's lovely. I wish your success.

I just I don't remember like that they're being that sort of vigor to it anyway, not vigor, but like you know what I mean, Like it just wasn't like No and and Jack like Giants in the Sky. I was like, let me listen, let me go back and listen to the film version of this. I was like, damn, you didn't. You didn't feel it. It's just not there,

you know. Unfortunately, I think that Giants in the Sky while Jack is a child, and I think it was probably the right decision for the movie and what they were going for to cast a child like Giants in the Sky like this. Actually that song is either a huge smash that that is like really hits because it

is dense and it's tough. I mean, like because he goes through a journey in the song, but to have a child performing it, and especially that kid who's talented, but it's sort of still in that phase of child actor where it's shouty um. One of the best versions of Giants in the Sky is Mandy patinkin, Oh my God. Of course I love that he's a full grown adult man, but he does he sings it in like a pretty high register. Yeah, I mean he's he's like v tenor.

But what I'm saying is like he brings the gravitas to it where it's like there's a world weariness to it, and it's this is what world you never thought to explore, Like it's that's the journey. It's like, oh, he comes back and he's like, whoa, I didn't realize that this is all? Like I love that so much. It's such a great distillation of life in one lyric. This is what's on time is great. I mean, just remembering you had an and when you're back to or makes the

arm mean more than you did before. Are you kidding? Like to me, I'm like, are you fucking kidding? Are you kidding me? And you know what, I cannot wait to see Sarah do that. Oh, tell me about it. Moments in the Wood, Yeah, I was. I was paralyzed. No, I know what we were. I went with Patrick Rodgers. I cried. Yeah, I was like, God, that's so fucking When the baker's wife is that Moments in the Wood

is whoa? And then she immediately so it's crazy. And then oh my god, which is not a spoiler, I mean, man, And then honestly, let's let's just put some respect. And by the way, this was the gag. So the night I saw it, who was in the audience, but Bernadette peters herself, Oh, I'm walking I'm walking in and literally this happened. Katie turns around and goes, I just want to say I'm I'm a reader. And I was like,

it's so great to meet you. And then she goes, you're not going to believe this, but Bernadette Peters is behind you. I said, are you fucking kidding me? She goes now and I turned around. There she is smiling, glowing, excited. And then minutes later I look at the play bow and Sarah's out and I was like, oh, bomber like Sarah missed like coming. Oh my god, Wow, that's a that's a great night. So imagine being Pettina. I know, knowing Brendan Dat's out there, but then also you're Patina

with a perfect voice. Voice is perfect. Oh come on, Oh my gosh. She was wonderful, so good. She was great. The power that that has, the power, the Pettina that that has. And you know what, just to talk about these roles in the movie, I thought Meryl and especially Emily Blant were fat. Merril and Emily were wonderful, really really good. Okay, let's quickly touch based on Patna is there. Do you think it's worthwhile? I think it's worth while. I mean, we have some rumors, Well did you see

a tweet because and Candice herself retweeted this, oh ship. Well, of course that there's route that The report is that Candice Dillard Bassett and Ashley Derby are quote unquote the stars of the season because the entire time they've been another quote unquote messy, A f the co stars, and I'm going, yes, give it to me now. I love it.

Did you ever think that these two fucking mortal enemies, mortal enemies, little little scampy women who we love and a door these beauty we've we've not always loved as I actually disliked Ashley very much, but actually the fact that she f out for divorce makes me go, Okay, well he wasn't gonna. He wasn't gonna, but it took her long enough. But I'm glad you finally did it. It's one of those things where you're like, well, better eight than never. I mean, I go give it to me.

When do you? Staphone interviews as well, being like just do you wait? It's worth the way. We're not getting this until October. I heard this rumor tell me that Salt Lake City is coming in late September and that Potomac is coming in October. Yes, and I heard that the Salt Lake City trailer, if it's not already out by the time this episode comes out, is imminent. And by imminent I mean this week and then it's a good one. Well, I mean, what do you think John

show fucking changes the plea please pleads guilty. I mean, I don't know if that will be on the episode. I mean they'll have to face that's the bombshell of a bombs and Bravo. Yeah, Like I do I remember that day? Oh that was breaking news. It was like when Trump was they searched tomorrow lago. Well, I remember the day she was. I remember the whole the um the shuttle. Did I remember the like John getting arrested day? Yeah, Nity Gardener never like did you see this? Shaw got

arrest Oh my god, I'm so exciting. And let me just say, because there are some Katie's Slash readers out there who are militantly anti housewives and kind of get sick, get sick of us talking about it, But can we just say, like it is one of the unifying pieces of monoculture that I know of where I can talk to anybody, most people from different walks of life, and we get into deep, deep discussions about our friends who were never housewives people before are finally like getting on

board and are like framing conflict through the show. I'm like it's it's a really interesting lens through what you see human like relational aggression. You know who we have to have on Casey Wilson and Daniel Schneider. It's time for a time. It's it's long overdoing. We actually for for Beverly Hills reunion slash beginning of Salt Lake. But that's when they should come on. You hear that, ladies, ladies, and Michelle wants to come on. Talk about Michelle content.

Michelle has an open door policy. She was on the Today Show co hosting the show Give this woman a Morning show? Now, I said, Now, I said, she is just the one of the most magnetic people, the funniest bound motherfucker. Yes, she's so good. We needed we need to have her back. Someone spilt sauce is still being quoted today. You know what's funny, she would actually be perfect to take over for Wendy. Let's talk about this because you sent me the Hollywood Reporter cover story written

by Miss Lacey Rose herself. That was heartbreaking, Katie's readers. You have to if well, it's not for the faint of heart, but it was what was a Hollywood Reporter The Hollywood Port the cover story. Yeah, they did. They did a full piece on the situation with Wendy william Sin really tough, really hard, and um, I just I always forget that we moderated her Vulture Fest. Remember that, I remember that. But she was she she seemed vacant

a little bit. Because we went to go talk to her in her room before, just to like fill her in on like the run of show. She just was like looking at us, like great, and then I haven't Kevin was there. Kevin and Kevin Jr. Were there. M We were in a small room with them, and oh my god, that was a weird one. That was weird, and we were excited to meet her. And then she gave us nothing. She gave us nothing and then afterwards

left without saying anything, I mean whatever. We weren't expecting, Like, yeah, I mean you know what it was giving. It was giving.

I'm off until I absolutely have to be on, and then I'm giving and then I'm done, which I completely respect, right, especially understanding more now what it means to be like on a press schedule and what it means stuff to conserve energy, of course, but do you think is one of the things in the piece in the Hollywood reporter piece really remarks on how all of these producers say that there's no one else you can do what Wendy does, which is sit in that chair and for twenty minutes

just talk and have the whole audience in the palm of her hand. I had a problem with that because literally, Michelle can. Michelle can. And I was and I literally not to be stupid, but I thought of you was like, Matt Rodgers can do that in his sleep. But I was like, do you think that goes along with her being like off and then flipping a switch when she knows she's on display or something. I think she's good

at what she does. I mean, also, you have to remember, like it's like anyone that's like this is not a one to one, but it's sort of like when someone who's much older can recall a story from a long time ago. It's like she has it in her blood, it's in her brain, it's in her fucking like yeah, deep, deep lobe, this is a woman who ran radio, you know what I mean, where she's trained to talk at talk and she has the gift of gab. But for her,

it's like it's like it goes beyond that. And remember it's like being able to talk for that long and hold core for that long does not necessarily mean you're saying all the right things. Because how many times have we said, oh my god, just last week we had apologize up top, I apologize every other I'm talking specifically about Wendy, Like how many times she said ship that

is completely either incorrect, completely problematic, unfounded. So she's sitting there talking and so, yes, she's good at and can do it, and we have an acceptance of like it being she has carte blanche because she's Wendy. But like you know, that's part for the course when you when you're told sit here and talk, you're gonna say some stupid ship. But I think that Michelle could actually improve on because Michelle can moderate to Michelle. Michelle knows how

to like guide a conversation. Because I don't think Wendy was that good of an interviewer. That's why she stopped having guests. I mean, that's one of the I don't think that's the reason why. But it's like she doesn't care for it and also did that. I thought this is an interesting part of the article when they said that they had difficulty book and guests because the last of celebrities hater because of what she says exactly, which

she must understand to be a liability. I don't know, but Michelle, okay, and this is not to bring this up out of like um masturbation, but um. Andy Cohen said something really nice, which is that he was someone asked him, like, who would fill in for you if you were to stop hosting? Who would be a great gayly host gaily night host? And he mentioned Billy Eichner and he mentioned you didn't mention us. That was really

very nice. I might have mismisread that and thought that he was talking about like a theoretical replacement, which like I don't think never ever would ever happen. I think if he's going to leave, watch what Happens Live, then don't end um. But Michelle, like Michelle will be perfect for that. Michelle so much. She can do Today Show, she can do Wendy, she can do like these kinds of shows. You know, she'd be great hosting one of those reunions. That's that's what I'm saying. And I also

think having a woman in that. You know what though, I actually think that weirdly enough, because it's ending and because it's a male energy, I think they differ in a way. It's also their boss, so in a way, he is like uniquely set up for that because he operates from a place of authority and also he's just like he's visually and energetically a different vibe than all of them. So it's like whenever one of them snaps at him, like it feels like, oh my god, they

talked to Amy that way. Whereas, like, you know, if it were like another woman in that chair or someone who was like on the same level as them, like in terms of like just another you know, comedian personality, what have you, they might like refuse to answer a question or get fresh. Sure, I mean, yes, a counterpoint to that as Nicki Minaj, but she would not do that, Like she obviously had a different style, and all the Potomac women were like, oh that's fucking Nicki Minaj, Like

she operates a place of authority. Um, so you would need someone like that to like keep these people in check, these people who think that they are like morally sort of superior, or are very self righteous in their way, defensive, egotistical, all these things why not bring the most egotistical person. Yes, nick, I mean someone who's also going to be able to speak to those women, like those women she's I loved that,

reven I thought, I just write I recently rewatched it. Actually, what what was what did you think about Eddie following all these booty models? And she just cracked up less so, but then what was the what was like? Nikki asked Astley something and then she she said, you didn't come down there with your breast milk to start some drama child. Yeah, but then I just remember is she said your breast?

But there was another thing that Nicky said where she was like, like someone says something like I was trying to like stall on the answering the question, and then then they're like, oh, is it this kind of that kind and then Nicki goes it was because she was insinuating that Michael Darby was attracted to one Dixon. Yes, yes, and then actually goes sexually, yes, sexually? Is there? Congratulations Nicky? She has a number one hit. Amazing, what do we think?

I love it? I'm saying this. I love Anaconda. I love Anaconda. I love a song like Anaconda. You know what. I think she had the right idea. And I'm first of all, let me also say not not only is this a be hive podcast, this is extremely, extremely a barbed podcast. We are not politically barbed, because I think there is a there is a politic to being a barb at this point, Like barbs are like completely radical, and it's sometimes radical. It's actually culture number ninety nine

radical and we we we acknowledge that we stand. But um, we love Anaconda. I don't love this song, but also, like I think I'm excited to hear whatever album it's on because I just want Nikki to be fun again. And therefore I want I want nick No, I don't even need Nikki to be fun. I just need Nikki to not care what ivery one thinks. Like you know, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, you get the sense that she's in a She was in a very

self conscious era. I think Cardi really shooker, shooker. But now that we're in a we're in we're in a place where there are all of these female rapper, female represent mcs who can like directly link their aesthetics and journeys and points of view to Nikki in a way and to like little Him and like and Missy and like all the predators and Queen Latifa, like um, I think Nikki can come back and not be as insecure.

She was right in that window and Hardy showed up, and it was the media made it seem like it was just the two of them. They're all way different. Of course, it's it's like not even the same. It's it's it's just there's no need for it. But also it's it's not their fault. I mean, it's it's completely

this like insane industry that they're right now. And also a lot of the ways in which they get spoken to by media, Like if you ever seen like like Nikki's interviews on like the Breakfast Club, like the way that Charlotte Mayne talks to her is crazy. I don't know. I don't. I don't haven't seen enough of the interviews, but I feel like generally, like a lot of the female entertainers who go on that show, like feel like they're feel like they're a little taken to task or something,

And I don't I wonder what that is. Well, I think because they are rightfully or not. I mean, like it's a little weird sometimes, like the way that they do well. I'm just saying, like Charlotte Mayne has a little bit did you ever see um the bated episode with episode z Way did an incredible episode with Charlotte man and she like shook him to his core because he said a lot of funked up about black right right right, you know, and she like was pretty much

like reminding him, like I didn't forget about this. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think there's like a general attitude that he had. I don't know about now, but I'm sure I'm sure he's I'm sure he's grown. I enjoy I enjoy that he has strong takes speaking. I almost always watched him on a late night show, you know what I mean? Um truly like what a what a career on that man. But um, I think he's hot too. Oh yeah, I would say that speaking of Andy Cohen like like sort

of m hmm influenced. I mean, Zo always credits her interview style to Andy. Kathleen, do you understand any of this? She's living. She's living. Yeah, are you a reader? Yeah, She's like she's like, I'm a Grammy winner. She's I don't listen to these sucking podcast She's like, I'm listening to these gay people. She didn't say that people same. It's time for I don't think SONI, which is our

iconic and celebrated one minute segment on this podcast. Uh, it's sixty seconds of Railian against something in culture at large that we things serves to be dragged. I have something I do too. Okay, great, I love that. I love when we can come together and both have something. I mind. My minds a little spicy. And it might we might lose some some katies after this, but it's might. You need to make a public apology. I actually know no one will convince me that I'm saying too much already.

But you want to go, you wanna first. This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many times starts now. I don't think so, honey. People who go to a restaurant and say what do you think between these two things to the server and then name two completely different things, and it's like, Mama. If you come in and say you want what do you think between the sizzling shrimp and the watermelon fed a salad, It's like bitch. And then the server is just like, I don't know. That's

so different. Like I recently went to a restaurant and I don't think, so honey. This entire experience with this person who just was like I wanted to know, like what they preferred between these two extremely different dishes like and this, no, and this is like a completely different person than me who goes into a restaurant and has no idea what they want. Usually I have some sort of like nature in me. That's just like I'm kind

of feeling a protein. Some people would truly come in there and be like I don't know what I want, and it would be completely different, and then you put the server on the spot and they're like I can feel them because I used to be one of them where it's like I don't know between steak and fucking even steak and like fish, it's like completely different. What do you want? What do you want? You don't think, so honey, you don't know, so honey, I don't think

be decisive in a restaurant. And also it's just like I also really can't stand when then they picked something and they're like, but can it be this instead of this? And this instead of this and this instead of this, Mama, pick something else on the menu. That sometimes I will pick the item on the menu that even if it like it is not exactly what I wanted, it has at least the collective package of something I would enjoy.

Because I hate telling someone a server or something to go to the kitchen and do substitutions and all this stuff and modulations and modifications on the order, because I know you're setting yourself up for failure or disappointment or and this is not to knock anybody who keep who has to do this out of out of necessity. Well, yes, but there is a yeah there, there there's um there

there there there's a fine line. I just think it's agree with to be like, hey, I don't know what I wanted all what do you like out of these? You know what's not I I don't I do think so, honey? And would would honey like, could you make a recommendation for me? I'm a little let's see, And then the server can say absolutely, this is my favorite dish. What do you love on the menu? This is what I love. What I used to do as the server is this

is my favorite dish on the menu. This is a very popular dish on the menu amazing, and they can make the decision there, and then they could say I'm torn between these two things. And then if it's like one or the other, and it seems like I can understand what area there is, that's one thing. But when it's like a taco or a fucking you know, rice dish, honey, I don't know, the chasm is too big. Or it's like with cocktails, it's like, you know, what's what's a

good drink? This gin one or this beer. It's like, honey, what do you want? Do you want this um absinthe or this spike Miller milk? Girl? Want you wanna milk? You wanna fucking mudslide, avoca soda? I don't know. You want diarrhea or to not be that drunk? You tell me by away by the way, um and I don't usually do this, but um I did do it. And

I think so, honey about flashable whites. Oh yeah, what Tushy sent me a fucking free to day and they offered to someone to you, they did, and I am not home right now, so I felt uneasy about having someone really should I installed mine two days ago and it's truly changed. I don't know though, because do I self installed? Is it difficult? It's not difficult. You self installed. It's a little messy and dirty for like ten minutes. You want sucks, there's are you there? You can throw

down a towel if you want for your knees. Well, okay, I guess I have to come around to the bid day thing. Huh, what do you mean? What are your reservations about the days? The thing about the days that I question is it's like when I use a flushable wipe, like I'm very in controls, very manual process. I know everything is, you know, lickety split down there right, Whereas with a biday it's like, okay, I got water splashed on my ass. That doesn't mean that it's like excavated

the wipes, the toilet papers. I'm still getting dingleberries. And you're not doing drag. You're not to back back to front side to side zig zag. First of all, you need to do this. And I don't want to contribute to the fat burgs A name I haven't. I wake up on a cold sweat. Who's who? Who did that? Who named him? That? I really don't like it, And to think it's collections of fatty Wait. I just literally, guy,

oh my god, the sewers are so important. I know you said this, and I have to stress I can't believe that. On the podcast Last Cultures, Bowen Yang said, if we if the sewers go, everything everything goes. And you know, wastewater is now like a huge tool for public health. Huh the wastewater. They're they're sampling wastewater or to see what viruses are are going around. Come over it. It's no, it's helpful, bitch, all right, it's not. It's not our job to go down. There's someone's doing it,

and I hope they get paid handsomely. I literally hope that person that that should be the richest man in America, whoever is going down there. I mean, I'm like, yeah, I'll go down in the wastewater to help us out with viruses at all. That should be Elon Musk. I think there should be a wealth like you know, yeah, there should be a quality. There should be a huge

gap in well, there should be wealth inequality. But the richest people in the world should be elementary school teachers and those diving into wastewater to find the new virus period period, or you dive into the sewer to get water for diseases. You don't pay taxes and now that should be law. That should get one free super yacht. Where's Joe Biden on that? And when you get one free super yacht? What's a super yot? It's a yacht

that's longer than like a hundred feet girl. No, No, they didn' whole piece in the New Yorker about it about how like that's it's a way for rich people now to like dump it's it's like a way for them to like put all their money in without like offshore accounts. Like well, you just buy yacht and then like put it wherever. It's a way for Leo to fit fifteen or eighteen year old. They are that young. So sad anyway, Um, I have a lot of interesting

text right now. The community is really getting together to text me, Um, okay, let's do bow and Yang's I don't think something because we got to get over to Thai Tee. I can't wait me neither. Um this we love. It's a great, great event. And let's just say we didn't get to go because I was sort of feeling myself in a tomb vocally, but Alaska looked insane, the

makeup looked on points. So for the readers that don't know, in the katies that don't know either, Alaska thunder Funds has been doing for the past year and a half or so these concert events at three dollar bill where she kind of embodies a different pop star and a different album era, um and basically dresses like them. But like it's accurate. I mean, she looked like Taylor Swift. It was it was giving, it was giving Taylor she

did she basically did coreo from the chore. She looked exactly and the energy was really really right, and um,

it looked so fun really. Boughlin produces and photographs them. Well, so did you see Matt Locus posted on a story Laguna Blue singing this love Oh yes, stunning And then I think someone I forget who, but someone did an amazing rendition of Clean where I where I went, Oh, this is an amazing I didn't really care for that song before, but then I love Clean and like if it's like, if it's someone who you know has a vocal power. Not that not to say Taylor doesn't, but

like if someone can give it that heft. I'm like, oh damn, this is an amazing song. You know who does a great cover of clean? Sarah borrellis, Oh my god, and she I think it was like she did like

a cover of cleaning beforehand. She did like a little video intro and she said she was like, I guess it was like celebrating tell her or something, and Sarah Brellis goes, I just want to tell a story about Taylor, which is that she was kind enough to invite me to sing a song with her on her world tour, and I something happened and I couldn't hear myself and I bombed horribly, and I went backstage and cried and cried and cried, and Taylor came back and comforted me

and said that how excited she was and that this happens, and that she's still that no one cared, and like it was still so great to have me on stage, and she made me feel so good. And then she covered Clean and was Sarah Borrellis, I mean stunning. There you go quickly. I want to say this is not an apology, but it's to address something that happened last last episode. A lot happened in this coody bags the episode,

but it's it was controversial. Some Swifties seemed to think that we sighed we were aligning and siding with Cody's tailor stands were or we didn't defend didn't defend her. She needs no defense, first of all. Second of all, everyone knows where we stand with her. We love her, and she's done incredibly kind things for us, and we will always be grateful. But it's not transactional in that

way at all. And we will make the light stupid jokes every now and then about the private jet while while we can, but of course it's we're not gonna like and actually if you do, if you actually do more reading on it, it's like, um, a lot of a lot of environmentalist groups were like, but it's still

not even for people who own private jets. It's not like incumbent on the individual action is not even the thing that has to be like changed, Like even if every private generators stopped flight flying their jets, like we're still like on the fast track to like all this crazy sht happening in the environment to count down to extinction. But it's no, it's just saying like it has to happen on like on a bigger scale with like fucking corporate set anyway, Um, we we are still very very

very swifty here. Every now and then we can we can light of the of the media narratives that are happening as long as it's not fully ruining her life. This is bone yangs. I don't think now, I don't think so, honey, me getting this sty buying this opointment and then looking at the label and it's saying homeopathic. I don't think so many homeopathy. The whole thing is fucking bug. How are you going to say that it's more potent when it's more diluted. That makes no scientific

conceptual sense. It's bullshit. It actually harms, and and the whole principle of of it gets worse before it gets better is bull shit. Okay, it's quackery. I don't want to hear it. Come from me if you want to. But it's insane that I get to walk into these secods and see half of the ship there be homeopathic. It's garbage. How is this that three billion dollar thing? I don't know? Oh wait, yes I do. It's because

people can fucking think for themselves. You cannot have people pushing homeo homeopathy on you when every single scientific study and and and and area of research on it is saying that it's inconclusively it doesn't it's actually conclusively not helpful to any treat I guess what the ointman didn't do, ship, I had to buy the classic styegel and it's gone. And that's one minute. There is nothing I love more in this world than traditional medicine. I love it. Give

it all this crazy ship I hear from people. This guy, This guy was like talking the ear off at dinner one time on a day, being like, you know, one tile and all pill makes her stomach bleed to gallons of blood. I'm like, that's not good for that can't possibly be true. Congratulations. I'm like, okay, then give me yours. I have a headache because they're you talking. Because are you talking, sweet sweet guy? I have a headache from you talking, sweet guy. Oh my god, it's so real,

and just it gets worse before it gets better. Well, then I don't want it. I don't want it. I wanted to get better period. Now this is the chemo. It shouldn't be. Shouldn't be. If it's chemo, then I understand anyway, if if there are Katie's out there who are like homeopaths and can't listen to this anymore. By truly, I don't care homeo sexuals. It is homeosexuals against it. I'm against it. Don't don't. Don't homosexuals against homeoo sexuals.

That's our new that's our homeless not tooth Kathleen. Do you do you watch Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Kathleen, You're not a homeopath, are you? Okay? So you're started and you understand, like what homeless not toothless? That is? You did? You did? You did say that you understood everything that we said. So you lied, you said you understood everything that we said. And we talked for a long time about homeless not toothless. You're blind, You're you're speechless?

Are you? Are you a homeopath? Kathleen? Us? Both? Damn it? We alienated. There you go. I love medicine, period. Some of this ain't medicine, though, putting bee pollen and ship I don't. The title of this episode is public apology, but the feeling energy of this episode is we love medicine. Yesterday and they worked like a Charney well Beautrin train changed my life. Honey, prep, I love the st I just I mean, listen, I we're about to be on

Stradio Labor. Stradio Lab is coming to big money players and we're on their first episode and they do a shout out segment and I shouted out, de sco vive the stuff they allowed me to have bareback sex. This is an amazing this was so I mean to be this is yeah. I was just gonna say I pushed for this to be in person. Doug engineer, Doug was God bless him. Um was figuring it out for us. I'm glad this happened. We should be in person as

much as possible, That's what I'm saying. And it helps Doug, it helps Kathleen, it helps the engineers, it really does. Wasn't this such an easy, simple process? Yeah, well this will this. Look at your Grammy. This episode is grammy worthy. This is grammy worthy. I would say the way it was high culture. And look the way we spend time on Sondheim. And also, I we have not done a

culture catch up in a while. We haven't. And listen, I think it's very important that we keep doing them because because the calendar is is stacked, and I love that, but it is sometimes I do think it's important and I'm not. This is not me like wagging a finger at anybody. I think I love that we get you

and me I do too. I think that sometimes when people are like, we love the culture catchups, It's like, yes, But also the podcast is about asking guests that are interesting in culture, what was the culture that made you say? Culture was having interesting discussions. But I also understand that people love what they love. Maybe there will be a new announcement of some more nominees. Wait what we have

not discussed this. I'm so excited. Who knows, Maybe we will be maybe sometime before the end of the year. Maybe sometime for the end of the year, there will be a hundred new categories announced. Oh my god, I'm I'm I'm dead ass excited. Maybe not saying promise, saying maybe there will be an exciting announcement a nomination special god for an award show in June, a six month awards season. It is coming almost time to announce new nominees. It's so excited for an event. Oh my god, I'm

so thrill. The Cultural Awards are here to stay absolutely put that on the say and to close out summer, highlight of my summer cultural Awards, Yes, and more to come. I would say the actual best moment of the year for me so far was the three and a half minutes that we performed Driver's License. Yeah with Josh. That was peaking. And there's been so many incredible moments this year have but my summer could have ended right there. It should have, it should have, and it it did

for me. Hang it up, hanging up. Haven't had a pleasant day since yeah, well until today, until today, And now we're gonna go and drinking vodka soda or two and m gallivant. Alliphants always end every episode with a song. A big tall, terrible giant door, a big tall, terrible lady giant and sweeping the floor, and she gives you a food, and she gives you rest, and she drives your close to her giant breast. And you know things now that you never knew before, not until the sky.

There in the sky, they're a big, tall, terrible, awesome, scaring wonderful giants in the sky.