"Pop Star Deep Dive Spectacular" (w/ Benito Skinner)

specific to her. That's like every woman who sings, right, but not actually I don't know, not every woman who sings yeah, and that's what they're called. And that's debatable for Selina, which I'm saying is like a part of her appeals that she cannot say, but she and yet she puts out these cannot she cannot it's important. But she's really good at being a singer. She I think she's a really good at being a celebrity that we care about and are tuning in for because I care

so much about her. We care so much, We care deeply. It's actually a real culture. And number nine, we care so deeply. Now, what's your can I tell you she's not a good singer, and she's sort of, but she is very good. Did you see the Lose You to Love Me? Video? I didn't, the one that was shot on an iPhone, shot her iPhone and also look at her now the second single is also shot on iPhone. That's that's like her thing right now, Kay Dickinson Morning Show,

Honey Apple plus Fish, which I will also touch on that. Okay, and but but let me just say I'm absolutely standing Lose You to Love Me? And fact I listened to it every day and you tweeted that yesterday on the flight back to New York you brought your phone with you into the toilet, into the restroom to take a poop on planes, which is something I'm exploring now in my late twenties, taking poops on. You've never taken a

poop on a plane. I would say that in my life up till my late twenties, I was afraid to take poops on. Now I'm unafraid to take poops on. What is it the suction, it's the sound, it's just really the sitting down of it all on the seat that's been used by approximately a million people before me. You know, you just gotta suck it up. You just gotta suck it up. Um, well, not really suck it up. You gotta poop it out, poop it out. But okay, So anyway, not to to go, move away from graphic

content and more towards Selena. Yes, so lose you to love me. I feel is a good song that I love and I'm not surprised to hear it one number one. But then you hear um, look at her now and you have you have to respect. Okay, I haven't even heard look at it now. Defice it to say we have a friend, a friend of the pot has written the third single, and someone at this table may have caught a little sneak peek it might I might say you might have something to look forward to. I might

say you might. I might say you might have something to look forward to. Readers and even the guests. But before we get into the guest, let me just touch on one other piece of apple culture, and I want to ask you if you've indulged in this Apple culture

ahead the Morning Show Um Kelly Clarkson's in it. Kelly Clarkson plays a small part in an episode of the Morning show where she sings as herself and she tells Reese with this one's character whose name is please Hold Hold Onto Something, Bradley Jackson, that she's a truth teller and she stands with her. So basically, Bradley Jackson played by Rich with This Woman is a conservative journalist who

goes a viral on Twitter. Yes, we are starting a storyline in the year with a clip went viral, And the Morning Show begins with a clip going viral of Reese freaking out in the field at at some sort of coal mine protests. And then she becomes so I has to say one thing at least to another. She becomes Jennifer Anderson's coast on the Morning Show. Three episodes later, Kelly clark centners and it's saying she stands with Bradley Jackson,

who's a truth teller. So then Kelly Clarkson's playing herself as a conservative like a sympathizer. Sympathizer, okay, And how do you feel about singing a single from two years ago? Wait? What did you think? Me? More heat from your baby Baby? And I'm like, what is going on on this alternate universe that is this? And the show is I haven't watched more than the first episode, but it is rough

in the first episode. Have you indulged? Haven't? I haven't done much of I haven't really touched the Apple TV stuff. Shonda looks like shake a spear, like what is happening on the Morning Show? But I'm still going to give it a shot because and don't come from me for being negative readers, because who wants to love the Morning Show more than absolutely? Oh, we're we are. We're still rooting for the Morning Show. We are still rooting for

the Morning Show. Is it like Network but it's Morning It's basically it's it's literally like it's going viral like that. That feels very network to me. You can't believe the whole going viral of it all, but that is how they choose to start the show. So comedere viral on Twitter, and we're unless it's a damn front facing video, unless it's a moment come on, okay, or if it's our guest, damn insta, damn insta okay. And first of all, let me say, the Morning Show is as if The Today's

Show happened to Jennifer Aniston. So imagine if Jennifer Aniston was Savannah Guthrie. Picture that now, Picture the Morning Show that. So she basically plays a Katie Corre Savanna Guthrie type who wakes up to find out that her co host has been me too, very badly and it's fired, and so she must all yes, Steve Carrell in a very cuckoo performance broad kind of crazy, and then they're looking for another cost for her and Bradley Jackson played by Reese.

This goes coal Mine Viral Bradley Jackson, which is like, how do we really flip names on their heads? Let's name the character Brad. But anyway, then they become co host and it goes on okay, and Kelly Clarkson cameos that, um, I am so excited her guest is here, you are he? I think he really touches people's hearts. He gets it. He gets it. You know, people get people, ourselves included,

so crazy. You know, I have to do a shout out because about two years ago, actually like a full couple of years ago, our our Nico, our friend Nico Nico, Our Nico said you have to get he was referring to this person as Ben seven. He's like, you have to give any drama on the pod, and I was like, let me check this out. And then I checked it out and I said, this might have to be someone

for the pod. Absolutely, and since that time we've met and the last time and the last time we were in the same room as him, it was at the Bellhouse and he literally watched you and me get into a huge verbal spat. What was the spat it was? I said, Matt, you just screamed at me on stage and that really hurt my feelings. And then you were like, what what what are you talking about? It? I'm being I'm being characterized as a huge that was not No, it was not a bit fight. I'm not your character.

I'm not trying to portray you as anything but a friend. And we had a very meaningful conversation. We had a meaningful conversation. Did you witness I don't like, we don't. He's not able to speak, but we have to bring him in. We have to bring him in. And first of all, I just wanted to retroactively apologize for any kind of spat. Oh. Absolutely, and I apologize as well. I feel as though, well, and now I'm gonna get real. Okay,

we haven't not seen each other. It was your birthday but three days ago, and I spent it with you, and you came to do game show, Game Show, which shot quimby coming in April, and your episode was wonderful. And the fact that you spent your birthday with us, I wouldn't have been anywhere else and you flew all the way out there just for that. And I also think you're growing out your hair and it looks really good. Now I hate the length. We don't Why did you

say that? Then I stand with you. Cut it. We're fighting. Cut it, okay, um, but let's bring our guests in. And I really want his take on because I really I went home. I went home thinking, damn saw us fighting. And I think that he understands relationship absolutely absolutely. I think I think that's one thing we can say about

our guests. Understands the complexity of the human dynamic dating an astrological sign be like, we got to talk about this, we gotta talk about this, and so there's some dating fun happening over here on your end, on my on and on our guests sender. Okay, we'll talk about love lives. Let's welcome into your ears. DAT scanner it's talk. How do you feel about the new Celina music? I like it? But she had met hands to myself, yes we stand. I was like, oh this is I was still in

the closet when that came out. Wait, wait, that's fairly recently. Low key. Yeah, I came out like three years ago. And how old are you now? And you just folded into it so easily that we just we let it. We let it all out quickly, and now we're full blown ckensie nine. Well, I got asked recently it was like what um like on some weird I don't know. This photographer was like, hey, what level of gay do you feel you are? It's just I'm like doing a study.

It's an important question. Study what it was like a ten? Like like I'm like, what, who's answering age? Like that's yeah, I don't know, you know, she's a tens. Of course. It's it's there long, it's it's all. And I loved your fight. I thought it was really what you used to words in ways that I was like, just sitting there. I was sitting there next to I think Pat had just honestly, that also means that you must be a

family because we felt comfortable. Yeah, I felt yeah, And I was like I was just sitting there obviously listen to this pod. So, but you just used words in ways that I do not like I'll just be mad at someone for like years and never say why. But you were like that specific moment when you said that, and you looked at me, I was like, Wow, that's like really well done. He's like nailing what he's mad about. I would think it was shocked on your end. Oh

my god. If I is a very good communicator, and here's my thing, I can get in the moment when I'm cornered, I can get a little bit Piscey's defensive. What are you talking about? Okay, dude, what do you have to clear up? Matt, I just want to clear well, it's not a clearing up. It's just I just want to say that Bowen and I have become very good clear communicator and an issue we address it and if it gets heated then that's fine, but we're addressing it,

and that in communication is a form of intimacy. Yes, in that moment, we loved Yeah. And I also want to say, just to clear it up, I think sometimes when you get on stage you can get a little carried away in the bump. And I didn't separate the stage persona with the personal persons because let me tell you something, when this podcast ends, you should hear my voice gets deep. I grow a beard somewhere straight, which

actually favorite thing about you. Yeah, one of the most iconic things about me is that I'm straight and Bowen's white. Oh my god, these characters of Matt Rogers. I'm using quotation marks and bo when. Yeah, it's performance, it's all perform all performance. Oh anything anything Selena related? Oh wait, yeah, oh god, yeah, I just I could talk about it forever. Um, I wouldn't say I'm like a massive stand like. I don't know if I would ever like see your live.

I don't think I necessarily need to do. That's kind of what that's absolutely ridiculous. But um yeah, I remember okay well as a like, I guess when did Wizards of Waverley Place come out? I definitely watched that absolutely. Um No, I just remember like convincing all of my like straight friends at the time like that I thought she was beautiful or no, I think I said hot at the time, and I could not stop telling you everyone how good of an actress. I thought she was

show I stand with you there. I think she's very good, and I think it's actually kind of tragic that she decided to go to Pop Star Round. We discussed this sometimes we do, and we talk about how spring Breakers is really special because of her. That moment on the bus where she's crying. I remember I was like in college and I was like, she's incredible. This is like nomination No. No, I'm like, okay, I don't know about that, but still that that movie is. I mean, you can

get you. People have been nominated for less hard facts. Also, let me say, in the Lose You to Love Me music video, I have not seen the video iPhone. It's in black and white. She okay, thinking the first woman to ever do a black and white music video to cam arranged were happening here on the pot, yeah, or didn't I know? I don't know her absolutely, I don't know her ever since Billy Eilis happened. I don't know. Just kidding a standu lord and miss her, but she does.

Selena sits in front of like, I guess what's supposed to be like a mirror, but really is the iPhone and she's sort of like looking in very truthfully delivers the lyrics of the song, and I'm like, this girl is giving you the truth, its power, power and that Okay, I need to watch this. She was really into so she did a few songs which I thought were great, and she had those little Petrick Collins videos that Yeah,

that was amazing. And then what was the one like the um it was like a year and a half ago and you thought an album was coming and then she's like, was it actually just kidding? Was it also called bad Guy speaking of Billy? That's a great song that was a yeah that thing about Yeah, that's cute and honestly, yeah, it's very good. And also she does serve some good videos and some interesting hairstyles, and I

love sort of the main she has right now. I love like a middle part with thick, heavy waves, like a sort of moment that's very gay. Length absolutely or at all shave exactly only compliment full length or full Yeah, only you could pull that off. Like every time, I'm like, how do you do it? It's only you? But there was there's Um that's the thing about Selena is and

we've talked about this. I think on our group on our little group chat we have called well it was called twink Corrors and then several of us have switched over to becoming more bottoms. Since now it's called the Cord. We are the Cord. We're getting cord, which is a huge movement in my life, which has been I've been discovering my buttole and it's been huge, not my butthole

than it was absolutely but anyway. Um, So we were discussing Selena and I think Jill k and Booster said pepposed to the group, what is Selena's most iconic vocal moment. I think it's I mean I could have I mean what I wanted, would I want to? I feel like you have to give it to that. Yeah. But someone else had like another opinion. I think it was Joel

because he's so contraring and and stupid. I like, um, and come and get it or when you ready that's not I forgot about that, heywood pop and we're all like, yeah, you got you got clearly a Rihanna like that. Yeah, Mike Well made it reject, made it reject from Rihanna. But in that song, I like, um, it's not a vocal thing. It's just completely produced. Also killed she did that into the day. I feel like the new one's very vocal. Now I listened to I'm Gonna cover it. Yeah,

there's a bunch of like bieber drama with it too. Well, it's fully about him, and everyone's like, girl, move on. But but now she's explained and interviews with Yes say his name Ryan Seacrest, they she'd go out and said in an interview with him that she wrote this song three years ago or several years ago and just didn't have the courage or ability to sing it until now. Wow, Okay, she's finally down in a way that and look at her now and look at an I hope it's about

zed like in my heart. Oh. I like her z songs too, I'm telling you shey, Yeah, she definitely does. Every time I see her name pop up, I listened to the song, I at least want to be like, what's this done? Yeah, and it's always like pretty good, good producer, Still good girl is that song? Yes, thank you for reminding me, because that's a very good song. I want you to know. Okay, wait, who are your tops? Okay?

I feel like you love Lana? Yeah, and you love Brittany, Brittany, who else, like who's in your like your little can so my four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, Ye slayers, Slayers. Um, it's Lana is like kind of always my number one. Yeah, she has this. I keep thinking about it every now and then she hits a bad note every now and then she's just go like it happens every now and that I want everyone to listen for it on the records are on five and I think on this pass

record she does it once. It's like it's the best. Yeah. I love Also that Kim Petra's is in her Charlie XX song and she's like, hey, bitch, I'm still going to do it. Then I just sucked him in um on Halloween um in l A. It's only g I me talk about an argust slowly. And also she's got like a full relationship with Grinder. My friend Patrick Rodgers works over their shout out to Patrick and like they have like they are partnering together and will take over

the world absolutely as they both. I mean, Kim is I can't wait for Grinder to pop off. Um okay, and then I have Gaga I love thank you very much. And then my fourth is those are good that are really good for. Yeah, it's good for and your very verse in your taste. Yeah, I try. So let me ask you a question. What are you Let's get hands okay, fuck, all right, listen, I want to know your predictions for what's going to go down with Rihanna next. Okay, um so, oh my, did you go to Savage? Oh my, God

ruined me. It ruined me. And um so, they they took our phones. And I also thought I thought, like you needed to dress up like I thought I looked great, thank you. I thought it was red carpet. It absolutely was not. It was like I'm just in a pink suit. Yes, So I sit and um I wasn't allowed to bring a guest because oh, that would be ridiculous. And they took all of our phones. And I think all the people who are sitting around me were literal like lingerie influencers.

So these girls were like devastated they couldn't use their phone, like I think it ruined the entire night for them, like they weren't watching. And also they were like, what doesn't matter that I can see what describe this? Yeah, before we had to wait like an hour before and I could just watch them just like sweating and spacing, and I was kind of like, this is super peaceful, honestly staring at this set, which I just need to know what that cost. Like I'm just like I'm always

curious of like a stage, Like, wow, the fuck? How many people made this? It was insane? Like the production was crazy. Can I ask were there like a lot of stopdowns or was it that they just presented as the show that we saw that there was there a lot of resetting? It was no, they didn't. It was literally live, like nothing was changed. I even thought because um, because I'm a psycho. So Bella Haadie did stumble like you could see her her little like cage. Yeah you're

listening a little girl. But she had to like rip it out, and when I saw it, I was like, oh, they'll cut that, and they didn't, and I was like, Okay, it's going to show. Everyone felt comfortable, even the girls that fall. I want all the girls that they can wear. You can make mistakes, but I when I watched stuff, I yell, yeah, yeah, so I'm next to you know,

like too full. And during like when Rihanna the light hit her, I was like like I went bitch work and all the people around me were just sitting there like silent first trying to look good, and it was like it was just a very interesting the whole experience. And then I couldn't, like I just had to tell people like yeah, it was really good, but I have nothing, you know, no like photo or no one to enjoy

it with. Sure was the point that they were like okay, and then we're running all these people and then they were going to talk about it to that buzzbos because but it worked, I think so I heard the night after it happened, everyone was like, Okay, So it's like it's like it's every type of model in the fucking world, every size, every color, every shape, there's an ampute. It's amazing thing. And then Normani was there and exactly it was just like I was like, Okay, well I'm gonna

watch that. Yeah. I think that was definitely it. I think that um also they knew that they had stacked it, and that also, like I mean I assume, I mean, Amazon knew what they were doing, d you know, and they brought in like tons of like intense YouTubers. What it was like James Charles was like it was very They were like, we want the internet to hear. Yeah, yeah,

yeah it worked. But it really like when Rihanna did the dance at the beginning, she doesn't do Coreo the documentary, you know, before the thing, yes, Like I remember her being like, yeah, I think I could learn it, like two days before She's like, yeah, let's close my show. Like but then I think what I respected the most was that, like it was a full like dance show, which I had never you know, I feel like I haven't seen that since like college. I don't know what

dance shows want to do. So I was like, I mean, yeah, I was going crazy, but the crowd, part of the crowd was okay, what was the highlight moment for you of the whole thing besides Rihanna? Because that was that was amazing, but there was a moment um Okay. So the people around me were all influencers, but the one to my left was Dixon from nine two one oh from the Adele video, and I know that no no one has ever turned to him and been like I loved tonight no to one out, but I did, like

in high School the reboot. It was right after Gossip Girl, and I was just like, oh wait, this is incredib now I have my l a gossip girl. I turned him and I'm like, I said to tell you I love nine to one, when he was like, honestly, thank you so much. Beautiful moment, but then he didn't like really clap her ch here the entire time, which I'm like, he just was staring. Okay, so that's sweet, but he's might be dead inside it like this. Yeah, I don't know.

It was like fun watching it without it being like me, so it would be nice to have one person next to you that got it. Oh totally. It was just like we can't believe this, Like when Laverne Cox came out and was kicking her heels incredibly and my job was dropped the whole time. I was like, I can't believe she did this. How long did this take to set up? In Normany, she's oh my god talking about it.

I mean that's like for me, I think like the story of twenty nineteen Normandy was the Emersion year is not over, like just completely in the dark, like all of a sudden that video came out and then I was supposed to know her and I was you know, people in the You know what's crazy is we we were making jokes about Normany like everyone was like everyone

was like Camilla is the star. We're like, no, Normany Norman like just thinking like, oh, Normany is like a funny name, but no, but she's the best part of the best part of the work from Home video for me, without a doubt. I was never I was being pretty earnest anytime. We were like, it's Normany you guys. Well then I actually checked out Normandy and I was like,

oh wait, Normany might actually be that real deal. And then once we saw I liked her features too, motivation as a whole other lot is and you can tell how like intense she is, Like I always like to see bts. So I went and she's like very nervous before everything. She's like very specific. I feel like she's she's an artist. You saw her, you saw her m a too. I did see her, and that was crazy she and she really brought it the dancing. I again. Another thing. My boyfriend was with me at that so

I could yell with someone. And he's a big Taylor Swift. Yes, briend al we're together? Yes? Is he also loves um well he loves Gaga, he loves he loves the girls. The girls. Yeah, because we've had an extensive conversation. I believe about if John Wayne was the first single for it was yeah, I'm just john Wayne is a is a stand up track from that album, completely agree, or if Gypsy would have been the first one for art pop see I think so maybe a problematic song now,

but at the time, I love Gypsy. I love it. I love it. It really holds up and also like Justice for g u I, which really has one of the best music videos of all time, if no one seems to care ahead of its time for having like Beverly Hells Housewives play fucking lutes and ship and she's she's like it's a wink. She's like, I wanted this

to be like obscenely funny. I wanted so dumb. And she looks like Donna tell Of the whole time, and she has that hair down to the ground she was in Versachi adds at the time, yeah, it was so,

but then people hated it. People just I think that that was just the moment for Gaga, the whole art pop era was just the moment where people were like, Okay, we're ready to do the backlash because once things, it's like, you know, I always say, whenever anything like really happens and it's beloved, I feel bad for that person almost because it's like the backlash is coming. Remember that like true year and a half long period where Jennifer Lawrence

was everyone's favorite thing in the world. Now it's like exactly pizza. It was like on accident Jill or whatever, like that's like her essence. But now it's kind of just like everyone's like, hell, Jennifer Lawrence like exhausted, right, And it's like, well, she's truly the same person she was, and if anything, she's kind of like, all right, well then buy for a little bit. You guys are annoying

as what she's allowed to do. Schumer had a really good I've out she had a really good interview I think it was with Vogue and she like said that because they were like, what does it feel like to be at the top right now? And she was like, oh, I give myself like two more weeks and like this is what we do to women. We'll just like you're gonna get sick of it and then everyone's gonna hate me.

And then the Leather Special came out, and she like pretty much it was true what happened, like everyone came for her, which I'm like, that is now. I see it now that has been pointed out to me. I see it with like every female and entertainment. Okay, yeah, we really do do this, oh baby, she called the about like the ideal woman. How we like the parameters constantly shifts in our culture and then we'd like put these people up on a pot of stol and then

immediately like getting coomfortable once they're up there too long. Yeah, that's also how you knew for a fact that Lady Gaga was not gonna win Best Actress and like a stars born was not going to like succeed at the Oscars and the way they all said it would, because it was like, it's true. It feels like with Gaga, we can only give her like public adoration for so long until we have to say, well she's now she's ridiculous exactly like and once the Italian interviews came out,

it was like, okay, yeah, we're done. I am constantly turned by her. She's not put me off at once ever, and lately she's been amazing. We quoted the tweep before us word for word, this is it rumors that I'm pregnant. Yeah, I'm pregnant with hashtag LGX. When I read it first, I was like, is this like an ad for lg Like I was waiting late. I was like, she's about to draw, Like what? And then that can you eat too much Chinese Brocoli? That's my favorite? What is fortnite?

I think that she took that tweet from me? I say that once a day. Honestly, she's all, She's always been all. But this is actually the thing about art proper that nobody talks about. This is like actual investigative journalism that I'm about to come on, Come on, Sonny. There was there was a lot of reporting at the time from this journalist that nobody knew her name was, like I can say that she had like some like

made up Asian name like Julie Chung's. And then all of these articles were coming out, all these headlines were coming on, like this is the beginning of fake news because and all these headlights come out that say Gaga's sales tank for art Pop Gaga like blah blah blah blah, like a million. Gaga wasted five million dollars on a promotional camp whenever there's a headline and you really her name is Gaga, like like like oh the Titanical sale

disease just disgusting. Um. But it was all this false reporting about how poorly she was doing and how much money she wasted on the on the promo, and then she was out here being like, guys, this none of

this is true. And then she's like, my h and m campaign is killing my Muppet special just fucking killed me too, like filled with anger for this reporter because I'm like I had to defend this was probably my last Like by that time in college, it was done pretending to be ye if I'm defending art pop that for me. For me, it was Circus Pay Britney Spears. That was like the album coming and I was so

excited for it. I was like, wait a minute, like my sister and they're like staying up listening to leaks like I gotta but with this ball the lights killed the light and Lason Leathery never forgot um and oh that whole album that's her best um like themes like it is a full creative absolutely much like my favorite cover as well. I love that. Well, there was a time when like everyone Pink had fun House and Brittany

head circus. This is some Kelly Clarkson tea. They wanted All I Ever wanted to be called Masquerade and she was like, I'm not doing that because everyone is doing some sort of thing when we were a mask and attack Carney. Yeah, it's like Carney, and they wanted to be called in fact that that like album art where on all I Ever wanted, which is like that kind of like bright colors, Like she wasn't supposed to be like in a leather jacket on my cover. It was

supposed to be sort of like a masquerade moment. I would love to see Kelly Clarkson in Masquerade Vegas. It's coming Las Vegas, Honey. First you didn't know. I didn't know. That's amazing we got this was just announced. Oh my god, I didn't. She's like she has money. Kelly has never been bigger. She's like before Ellen, which I had no idea.

She has the number four rated UM daytime daytime talk show out of all thirteen that are on the only people that are doing better than her, and this is consistent ratings are Ellen, Kelly, and Ryan and then Dr Phil. She does better than everyone else. She's doing better than Wendy. What are they to What they're doing is having the same audience they've had for a lot. I think there's

like Regis and Kathie Lee people that are still there. Yeah, but basically I just just just yes, give your art part. Well no it basically the people like dug Into like this journalist and she doesn't exist. She does not exist.

Someone like there's like there was this little shadow campaign Russia Russia, Katie Perry stand people who like But but the reason why those headlines were getting so much play and the reason why the narrative became art prop as a huge flop is because someone faked these numbers and then like Perez Hilton would like retweet it, I know, and there were people that, like I said, like, there are people that are active in the backlash that want that person to fail it. Also, I think something that

people forget is that Born this Way was huge. But one of the reasons why it moved so many copies and because they sold them for like yes and so they she sold like well over a million albums in the first week of that um period, but it wasn't because she was There was a reason for that, and then so any anything she had done after that was going to look in comparison like it wasn't as big. And also it's hard to be to follow up anything when you're the biggest pop start in the world. That's

I think why adult take such a long time. It's like flawless Start is like I still listen to it for like every show. I'm like, Monster should have been a single. As as much as I would say, as much as I love art pop and Joanna, I've loved all the eras. I've enjoyed all the eras, but you and this is we have to say her name. Lorianne Gibson is do a lot of credit for the choreography, the iconography, the art direction, the creative direction of Gaga

in those early days. Oh I mean that video, but yeah it is lorian Yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh my god. And honestly, maybe that she would be nice to have on the pop because you know what else, I fell into a wormhole. I fell into a right, I don't know. I think she's very busy and successful, but I fell into a sick wormhole. Recently of making the band clips,

and she would day, I got something for you. The scene in the boardroom when Diddy is breaking up the band and he's like, I don't your attitude and you're out and it's like the soundtracks and it's like close and he was like, okay, cool, I respect your decision. I respect that, And then the rest of the girls are like, well, I don't know, and he would just like, well, I'm going to leave too, and they go and she and he turned down and he's like, okay, well you

can leave too if you want to leave. She goes, okay, I respect your decision, and the three other ones are like, wait, hold on, um, I don't think we're a group if they leave, like, well, your girls are making their decisions, so what And then they'll leave and you get an acapella version of Dammaged Damage, damnaged glad you wait? That was like spun on? How did you? Yeah? I had a little spin there yet, but looking very nervous. What

does this have to do with Lorianne? She wasn't there at the time, and she she had come and gone out of making the band. I was just commenting that I had fallen into making the band worm Hole. Then I like, as of last week, okay, wow, because I haven't seen it since it was like literally on it. It's a trip to watch. Is each one? Is that MTV? It was empty V Great Town was sucking obset with

that album. Oh yeah, Liquidquid Dreams, gene Bags, a mix of destinies chat with Janet Jackson, Jennifer you got the seas But you know that song is actually the perfect song that that's in the closet, Bob because it's like all these their destiny. Yeah, oh we love share missed this album? Did I miss this album? Was? I think you're just a touch younger than us? Maybe it was true micro generational maybe? Okay, wait, is this the first Danity? This is the first making the band band? Okay, yeah,

Danity Kane, I mean Danity King Girls too. But oh Town was lemonade? Yeah, Oh Town was the first one. And then I think that he made like a rap group or attempted to make a rap group. Oh did he did? Yes? Because I remember there was there was one female rapper named Mysterious that I was like enamored with, and then she kind of like went somewhere else and that that group didn't happen, but Dannity Kine obviously happened.

They had some hit songs like show Stop her, show Stopping that video, and then just they gave everyone wrong girl. That's my favorite. Every girl has the wrong verse, like she should have another one, and that's why it's perfect. Like I remember there's the one, um, so there's Aubrey, and then there was another like very blonde. Yeah, and she looked like the girl from America's Next Time all

season two. Um, and she has like the rap songs like she's a love it and it's like, no, that wasn't her at all, but love it, but she delivered. I wish. Here's the thing though, I think Andrea was probably the best singer de Woods had had like it. Dawn is releasing music sort of now. Dawn is out there releasing music, and Aubrey is of course out there saying that her soulmate is Donald Trump Jr. She's the best stand good time. I was just like, she's just

she's clearly the star star. When she was on Celebrity Apprentice, she was very good and yes I absolutely watched, yes, oh yeah, I mean Bowen Yang is a famous early Donald Trump. I love Donald Trump. No, I kind of agree. During the first season of The Apprentice, I was like, this is fantastic. I was like, I was really into it. There was like one guy from Boise on its town hero. There you wait, speking of hometown speaking ab upbringings. Let's

ask me the question. It's time to ask the question. Okay, Skinner, what is the culture that made you stay? Culture is for me, like this is formative, something formative that like you grew up with that you saw. I could be like something as broad in general as pop stars or he's gonna be absolutely um. I think watching music video like was a defining thing for me, like on Saturday and Sunday mornings, and like the Lucky video is so like in my mind, so I happened in my show,

Like I just always think about it. So I think like music videos of that kind of like you know, mid to late nineties, early two thousands era, it was like very much my start. And I mean Brittany was like my first pop star. Britney was your girl, like went and oops I did again. I remember the copy there was a scratch on it, like I mean just Psycho ship. I remember the store I bought. Oops, I did it again and maybe one more time. Yeah, I remember, like it was like Sam Good or it was like

a virgin reference store. But I remember, I remember like that was like iconic time when you get in the car and go to the store and buy the album. Oh yeah, day of or maybe your parents were picking up at Costco. That was huge. And then so much cardboard for no reason because they wanted it to be like remember that, like all the cardboard and sometimes they would like decorate it. So I saved the Britney cardboard forever.

I had all the dolls like it was. I think that was like my first Yeah, that was my first like entrance. And then as far as like shows, it was like Lizzie McGuire, right, so it's like this is so written, like the stories are all so good. Did you did you think that when Hillary Duff like started to do music, because there was a big narrative at the time of like Hillary Duff is the next Britney Spears. Did you see that for her? No? I never saw that for her, but I loved her music. I thought

Metamorphosis was Metamorphois. Making Larry Owens sing that song on was like I mean yeah. I think a little painful for him, but it's okay. Yeah, yeah, I think probably his enemy, not his favorite pop star by any means. I saw her. She was my first concert though. I remember going. She didn't really have any like she was just wearing a black tank top, black jeans and a ponytail. And I was like, Okay, she's not this isn't like, you know, she's going to do the theatrics, which is

what I like show. So it's like, you know, she's just this is like a fun side thing. First, she's an actress. She's an actress. Yeah, but I loved you know, I bought Speak Now. I even still Taylor. I'm like, no, no, no, no, wait, speak Now by Hillary Hillary. That's like one of her albums now or is it Speaking? It's it's it's like something like that Speak. It might just be called Speak. I think it Speak yea yeah, And I remember like the cover and that's when she um those were I

feel like her Veneers all the time. Look, we we saw a couple of years ago at Tribeca Film Festival. She was the only celebrity we interviewed her, and she was one of the only celebrities that that gave us a h I don't know what she famously has. You're gonna do something. I'm going to speak was Lindsay Elhan?

What's her metamorphosis? Breathe and breathe out dignity Hi self titled Most Wanted is the greatest and absolutely she's like two albums out this Linday Lohan ALBUMSKA Speak and then her second album, of course, the a little more personal in parentheses raw Yeah yeah, yeah yeah video where she's a father. Remember watching that being there is belting happening and that she was blond? Yeah she was. I was

always so mad. It's like such a I was always so mad when they changed hair colors, like when Brittany was, I would just be it would ruin my week, which is probably why Brittany has to work so hard, you know, like poor Brittany. But I'm like, like I remember in the Blackout when I saw the cover, I was like, oh, They're not it. I was so mad the same and then it took me a little bit to like get over that hump and be like, oh wait, this is

an incredible album. Album is flawless. I frequently reread the Rolling Stone review of it. Because they're like, wait, it's actually so good and there's a great moment and break the ice where it's clear that she's just hearing the song for the first time, I think, and it's like, wait, she definitely said that the first time. They did it, and it's just oh, it's just like the whole album.

They essentially just gave these producers like Free Reign. They were like, whatever you want, just don't bring up what's going on with her, and they did it. It was Danger Danger Shellback who writes all of Taylor Swift's new stuff, and Dr Luke that was like document the first big No, it's it's whatever. But he touched to Charlie's Angels soundtrack.

I just saw that just well, just honestly, this is something that bothers me on a regular basis that if Kim Petris is on it, then Dru probably is not far behind, which it's rough. I think it's I think it's it's a thing about Kim that sucks. Yeah, how is he still? Like where is he working from? I'm just like he's he's it doesn't matter where he's working for,

He's just working. And she's still Yeah. I'm like, I just picture him in like a game like they sent him, you know, the vocals, and then he because Kesh is still like it's still on that on that contract, and she do like like two more albums before she's it's something like that, how is the new stuff? I haven't heard it yet. It's like she's back to making like skank pop. Yeah. I mean the country stuff was like fun, but I'm not a country guy, so I was like,

I like TikTok. Yeah, I mean I really loved her first two albums. I mean, and how could you not? But but because Cannibal, it was like, this is just how would she beat the first one? She No, she did it. I was just gonna say, I think Blow is my favorite team of hers outside of um, Your Love is My Drug. Your Love is My Drug is like geniusly written. It's like it's perfect not to sit here and continue to stand like Dr Luke Rain thing

he's a monster and shouldn't be around. But now those I'm happy that she's back to doing music like that. Although I did love um Praying and I did I really love Woman. Yeah. I also, um, I do like that one. It's like this funny get him yeah, yeah, yeah, I can't help it. I heard it. I heard it first on Instagram with like in a Spotify video, and I was like, Okay, this is getting it, Like it's great like this one yeah, j yes, tonic vocal delivery

of has that praying note? Has that ever been hit live? I'm still I don't think she attempts it. Okay, and this actually this, this hints it's crazy. I don't think. I don't think so. Honey later has to deal with musical notes that people cannot hit. Love that. I'm very

excited to do it. Yeah, that's unfortunately one of them will imagine like I'm still waiting, but I will say that, like, I guess that is a reason why I appreciate Ariana Grande, because I do miss when these girls could fucking really I felt that ship. The runs a very on a Grande. I'm mostly a stand of the runs. The runs, especially on her Christmas songs. Her last Christmas is like and then again it's like goes everywhere and it's good exactly.

She just goes her concert when she was just touring. No, I'm so sad I didn't the tickets were. She was proud of that. Goddamn I dropped. I dropped dollars and cents to see that. But I will say the live vocals were real. Yeah. I even heard her sing seven Rings, and I'm not thinking that's a song that's going to sound good live. Like I remember when Lady Gaga did like Judas live Yes and No, and I'm like, Okay, that's not it, Like that just will never sound good live.

But she can't even sing seven rings and make it sound good like damn because it's damn Rogerson Hammerstein. Honey, Yeah, she's made a cent on that song. Yeah. I think they just are like sure, like we get and they're

having a moment right now Rogers and Hammerstein. But truly they're having them on right now Rogers, but truly, Like Chance, the rapper has this song where it's his daughter singing Impossible from Cinderella and then he like samples Impossible Yeah, and then it's a uh oh, Zanies and Fools that's what it's called. Like this, the track is called Zany's and Fools where it's like pulled from them like that song. It's like people are like rediscovering there's a revival of

Rogerson Hammerstein. That's like Oklahoma, like like it's happening. Well, you know there's I'm not lying. No, no, you're not lying. You know that there's going to be a new Cinderella with Camilla Cabello. Yeah, absolutely, And I heard you know who I heard is in talks to play the Wicked Stepmother. Tell us it's in the Menzel stop and I know he's a godmother. And I'll see you in a little

while from my I don't think so, honey. I'll see you in a little walk Dana Mizzella, I'll see you and I'll see you in just in about twenty minutes. Oh okay, Wow, that's gonna be. I don't know if I needed it under another Cinderella right now, but okay, I'm like in for that. I heard it's going to be a very Camilla Cinderella. Oh god, just what I wanted. Yeah, see, I am sure about it. That's the one I like. And I liked her fake beef with Laana. That was

my favorite was the fake beef. So Laana commented what the hell on one of her videos, and so she meant like, what the hell? This is amazing? Yeah yeah, and then everybody because the video did look a lot like Laana is like, and so everyone's like, oh my god, Laana is coming for this, la is going to kill Like it was my favorite. That's so so that was like my big Camilla moment. I keep the give out. I'm like, what the hell, I've been experiencing a lot

of Camilla lately. I've been liking her new stuff. I've been discussing it. But to cry for Me, and then, um, what's the other one? Easy? Easy? She's put that like a little army of singles out like that's sort of like EP but not yeah, which I don't know if I like that. I'm like, I like the one, give me one, let me have a moment when she's got speechless, liar, easy, and cry for Me. Those are the four. So he's and of course the song with the send to read

a song with Sean. Right on the topic of these beefs though, it's this is they're so delicate. We're in a really fragile place right now. Because remember when like people saw like Casey Musgraves like to tweet that was like dunking on Taylor Swift and everyone and everyone flipped out. And then she was like she was like and then Casey tweets my Twitter got hated Lie so and she's love I love a shitty Lie and she's like and then me and Taylor just top on the phone and

we're good. So guys like stand down. But it was like people just people are insane. People are insane. Fans are particularly pretty. I mean, I'm I'm I'm dating one of them. Yeah, it's just and I'm definitely one of the more cycle like that one. But I am gonna I am gonna out him right now. I'm in the out Jared right now because literally, like, um, I think the Charlie x X album came out. He was like, so with Jared, it's like everything is so he hates

Charlie because of what Charlie. He absolutely loves Charlie. We even want to go see Charlie's concert and she was everyone was apparently she had like the whole album. It was great. Kim was there too, features the house. She was performing at High Tops right now. Probably yeah, she's actually as she performs, like to a point where I'm like, you're a robot. There's Kis and every major in the world. She always looks perfect, truly, and also the live vocals

there there there they hit, they hit hard. She is her tits off when you see it hard to break. I was like, yeah, bitch, it was her like, um, why am I forgetting that? You know? She it was like part two of her coming back on stage. Why am I forgetting that? Term the rprise? Okay, lord m She goes back and she like still had it. And I'm like, you're just saying, you know, forty songs that are all similarly hard scenes. They're all pop songs. But

um wait, I want to out Jared. I want to say he started to stand this Charlie x X album. This is like three weeks after Lover had come out, and we had I hadn't been with him through the whole process, and like it was a process. It was for Taylor Swift fans, and it was difficult for them. After me, I know, it's been hard. It's it's not been the oh my god, it's not been nineteen that

I think they thought it would be. But so Charlie x X album came out and he couldn't stop talking about it, and I said, but Jared, what about Lover? And he just turns to me and then the darkest voice I've ever heard of us. He goes fuck lover like I only had to grab my heart and I was like, oh, I was like, that was so busy, was throbbing. I was like, I have never I don't even feel that way about it. But he was like,

I'm over it. And then I feel like because I feel a lot of Taylor stands were a little exhausted trying to pretend this album was as good as those that have preceded it. I think they're I think I've said this on the pod, but I think there's a twelve song album in there that's good, but just too long, you know. But her, some of her fans want that, like the sixteen year old girls in Atlanta and like they want a fort I guess my question, my question,

does she still have those teen fans? I think she absolutely? Yeah, I think she does absolutely, she like has her and Miley do for an Arianna, But then no one else from like our I believe in from Marianna because I'm telling you, I was at an Arianna concert and it was all gay men and six year old girls. Yeah she got gen z. Yeah she's got them. She's got gen z. But it's it's like it's like it's like Disney.

It's like kids still watch Little Mermaid. Let's say, like like like movies that we thought were specific to our upbringings in terms of timing. Now it's like it's like she she has perennial songs about adolescence that like everyone can relate to. Taylor Taylor, Yeah, yeah, because I do feel like this album is the first one that's like really tried to be mature, and I feel like she's even hinting at like I'm going to marry you in these kinds of songs and not an acute like person way.

It's like, let's make a commitment and invest in investing things together, and we're gonna have the same bank account. It's like things that like kids aren't going to get and I don't think that is sort of too far removed from the reason why I don't think this album has yeah, significant impact. It doesn't have legs. I mean, London, boy is tough. I can't anytime I went to London with my boyfriend and I couldn't. I couldn't stop saying it ruined the trap, like anytime they were rude, because

everyone in London is so rude. This guy's start weeks just could not stop making fun of me for my order because I like drink a milkshake essentially hold my hand. Yeah, I saw you and she was like, it's so good to see someone like later in the day, so real. But no, it would just be like this guy kept giving ship and then right when we walked out of the cafe, I just had to look at him and

child of English. But that is not where the most embarrassing song on the album for me, for me and for me, it's got to be that fucking Big Little Lies theme knockoff, which is it's nice to have a friend. Oh, I kind of find myself being like that's really cute.

No way, that album is tough freaking I loved reputation and I was only fucking bops like dress is the first time she got fucked dress dressing, um even gorgeous is like this is I'm like my delicates a classic, yea delicates a classic and also endgame is my fucking like my song I'm big. When she brought in like a kid's choir to say big even like I remember when look what made you? Look What You Made Me do? Came out, I was like, fuck this and now I'm

kind of like, then you saw the video. The second video came out, I was like, oh yeah, I didn't think there was much new in the video, but it was a lot. I was like, she's trying, and I'm like kind of down the bridge where all the old like the all the old tailors are climbing that. I'm like, how the fund did you make this? It was more like, damn, you really went to the lab and you're like, we're spent ten million dollars right now on this song. That's

definitely shouldn't be first single, but let's do this. I also love the single she Can't help It. This is okay, But you brought up something earlier that I love, like single order, single order, hypothetical single orders, like let's talk about never been chosen by a game man, and I know that we'd be right, Like I just know that in my heart. But it's like, this is a this is just a game that you can play at party's now, okay, this is this is the new star actress. Everybody, let's

do one. Okay, Yeah, Aly, like here's my here's my thing with lover because me we can all agree with not it and even you need to come down from me is like, actually, I kind of like it as a second single. But here's the thing. I think when you listen to the album Lover, I understand that you want to give them something like up tempo, but represent the album. And so my thing is, I think the best song on Lover that is the most emblematic of Lover is Lover. And so I would have put Lover

out as the first single. I think everyone would have been like, oh, this is a different direction, and for her, I'm into it. Yeah. That being said, I also think my favorite song on the whole album I don't know if it should have been the first single, but my first favorite song on the album is I Think he Knows? Oh yeah, okay, yeah yeah, what do you think? The Man is here? Here's here's my three man. The Man

is great. It's tough to hear, but it's good. Agree with you, Lover, Cruel Summer, and then you need to calm down. As third single, maybe when you now that we're talking about the Man, don't you think it would be a little on the nose, like, oh, she's releasing this song as the first single, But I bet it

would have been a huge hit. Huge, especially with a good video, and especially I mean she knows what she's doing though, because when it came out, I like all of the Leo articles came out Once upon a Time in Hollywood came out like right with it, so it's like everyone's like she's jabbing at Leo and she got so much press, so like she's just kind of always knows, like once she leaves a song, that's going to get

press essentially. So I don't know, I yeah, I agree that Lover should have been the first single because I think a lot of people were, like the people who didn't listen to the non singles of reputation, We're like, Okay, she's not the Taylor I grew up with. Yeah, so I think it would have been a good like no, like, she can still do this and it is a beautiful song and I love the video. I think that would

have been a nice start. Me was like it's awful, honey. Um. I listened to it every now and then and I'm like, oh, yeah, well she took out this spelling is fun part, which I love that. I'm just like, oh god, Taylor's I just have the tightest butthole when I listen to that. Yeah, I mean, like you're panic at the disco in this song, like keep that at that point. But yeah, yeah, a weird feature as well. I don't know if I love

a first single as you love him. I just don't know. Ye, yeah, a feature on the first single is a weird move. It's strange. Yeah, I'm like that maybe is more of like a second single or I just don't think that song is a single. But um, but yeah, I mean, and I also like their voices together. Yeah, I just would prefer it to just as like a song in the album. Yeah, yeah, sure, I would agree. Yeah, just do it for a one more album. What had a flop first single? Oh, let's do it for let's well not.

I don't consider it a flop at all, but I guess because we were talking about it before. Let's talk about Joanne's preferred delusion. I like, but I do. I think John Wayne is an interest scared people. I think perfect Delusion scared people. Yeah, yeah it was too and then it wasn't actually like what the album felt like at all. So I think my choice is either John Wayne or I low key love Come to Mama, Come Tom.

But I think you know the thing is that I'm insane. No, I think I think John Wayne just because of that video. I think it's like it really is like she is going for this like Western Americana thing, so like I want to see her fully commit the first single, it's what the album feels like. I do love Million Reasons as a second single, Million Reasons, second single, John Wayne, Million Reasons, and then third honestly bumping up from bonus track Creature Girls, which I know is like to Low

Temple Girls. I really do love that album. It's a great album. It's a great album. I didn't I don't love the cover, but that's okay. I do love the cover, like I think, I'm like almost do. I just think it's like a little I don't know, it's a little tweet, it's a little like yeah, I just wanted like a little bit more. I just I don't know with her. You know, do you consider Stars Born to be a gotta album? I do? I gotta ep sure, Yeah, Yeah, I don't like it. I would say it's an era,

not an album. I agree, maybe it's definitely an era. The true like Monsters they say era, they say like Stars They're like, well, if you guys like the best of this era, like Stan Instagram is. I tried that with Kelly. I was like I was like welcome and I was like no, but there are definitely something that are like welcome, brother is It's time. But I love the Alley tracks, like I feel like that. I mean, like the Cure is, they're all just trying to be cool.

This song in my head, I'm not mad. Yeah, the whole Yeah, it's just perfect. It's like nice to not that She's like I'm just gonna make pop. Yeah, and I feel like she hasn't just like done that without like it can be almost bad, which I think a lot of great pop is like almost bad. So she with Ali, she was able to write pop music in a very abstract way where like it didn't matter. Just write a write a good fassimile of a song. That's

that's all that to me. Come on, I mean first that we were like it's smarty, like watching the movie and them trying to tell you that like she's gone bad, when I'm like, oh, this is absolutely at all. Yeah, Like she just really fucking she got a Grammy. I'm like, she didn't sell out, She's she has that bad red hair, like fucking healthy as fun and then they're like, we're gonna bring her out. She's gonna she gave her the

Grammy in the right. How great, God, how great? My biggest regret um when Halsey hosted, I wrote for her, how great Ali sketch that just tanked it table. It was just her like on set and like her having to like her like butchering the I love that. You know, no one got no Everyone's like, why is this? Like, oh my god? The table? Did she like it? She like I pitched her on Tuesday and she was like

that's really funny. Yeah. I was like I was like, you know that like gay people are upset, like or specifically like film Twitter and like stand Twitter like loves that moment, right. She's like, oh yeah, I gotta get it. I totally gets She was great and then and like you know, went over with her. She like did what she had to do at the table. But everyone was like, what the fuck? It's actually really culture at number seventy six what she had to do out of the table anyway,

is it? How do I say? Am I saying it wrong? I'm kind of like I just I'm like, fully trusting you and that I'm like, oh, I've been spending her this whole Halsey. Do you know it's pronounced Charlie before we move on? I don't think so. I do want to ask, but you know, do you do how much research do you do for each astrological sign before you? Oh? Well, some I know a little bit better than I knew ours the most obviously so corpse, and that was just going to make that I love scorps Thank you. Do

you feel that way? I do feel that way. Do you feel I feel that I'm not spook yoki? Yeah, but no exactly what we're supposed to be, like a character. Yeah, it's so funny. Yeah, but there were some that I knew a little bit just because friends, I feel like, I don't know if you feel this way, but I just know so many cancers as a Scorpio, I feel

that exactly. So I feel like that connection is what almost like sold me on astrology, because I did notice that all the people around me were like Pisces, cancers and aries like everything. Oh that's interesting, and an occasional Gemini went, yeah, I know, I love it. And I'm shocked though, because I don't think a lot of Pisces are like big performers. I think that's literally literally next album, but I don't They're not usually as like extroverted. They're

more sensitive and artistic. Yeah, exactly, like quiet, creativity and interesting. I wonder if it's maybe my cancer moon. Yeah. See that's where I think like a lot of like random things come from. But I don't even I don't that. I start to get confused. What is your what is your whole deal? Okay? So I'm well, it's a great time to be getting So I believe I am Scorpio, and then I'm a Capricorn rising, Gemini moon, Gemini, Gemini moone.

There's like a lot happening here. Yeah, twisting combo, right, I think that means that I'm a Gemini moon Okay, Scorpius son Um Libra rising, Okay, I'm Pisces, Pisces rising, and my moon is cancer. Okay, I'm water water water and the rest of my chart is dripping wet, just sing. So I'm talking so absolutely, I'm like fucking um uh,

I'm sucking um. Kate Bosworth when she sees Josh Dumel and when the date Hamilton's when a date when a date Hamilton's stick to her in Blue Crush, So I was just ready to be like, can we talk about Blue Crush? Crush her eyes? She's gorgeous, She's a gorgeous star. She only had to be in like three things and now she's just like at fashion shows, which I love that career path for a lot of people. It's so efficient. It's so efficient. And never forget her as the racist girlfriend.

And remember the Titans, right, literally, never are you hanging out with those black people? Are you doing this? She ran Gosling's No, she's she's the quarterback who gets hit by the sorry spoiler he remember remember that we no longer have to watch that movie now that we're out. Yeah, it was so hard. Literally remember being in the theater being like no, exactly, I'm like, are we getting out of here and going to a chili? Yeah? It's like

Track and Night at Red Robin. But literally I was like, who's that icont A girl playing the racist girl friend? That impression again? Why are you hanging out with those black people? Come all, let's go, we gotta go drink

in the parking lot. I love like actresses like that being like racist Southern in Hidden Figures, Hidden Figures, It's like, what, like, Okay, bry Styles Howard and The Help being like a plan, they just they overacted, which is always like I love any anyone who just willingly just brings forth a raised eyebrow. I'm gonna fucking fuck it up. Damn, oh god. Bryce styles Howard in The Help opposite Octavia is perfect, especially my ship, and I think Jessica Chastin is perfect in

that heartbreaking on Jessica. Yeah, and also you know, of course we have Viola. Of course fun and U with the curls Ring, Little Ring, Little Curly bring the culture one of my favorites. Have you lost your mind? Yeah? Sh no, good for nothing. But I stand Bryce styles Howard world. We have a lot, we have a lot of fun with Bryce Dallas on this show. But she

does what she has to do. And the first one, essentially with that stupid haircut, I put her in that it's instantly that I will never I'll never let it go. That the second movie they took her out of this shoe. No, they and the whole joke was like she's not rain heels. The whole time, I'm like, no, she needs to the character. It's like, you know what, this is where you lost the gays and this reason reason shoe only watching on an airplane. They put her in a sensible shoe and

they pulled her hair out of her face. Big mistake. Big mistake, because it's not like we didn't see her out run the t Rex in the first movie, so we know she doesn't need to wear the flats. Okay, those little doctor and actress also not for nothing. But she gives you an iconic single tear when the Dominus Rex has its maw next to the car and she turns to the camera and she just gives you one tier and one tier only. And I just did it in the room. I just cried one tier immediately, like

Selina anders, we bring it back, that one tier. You've got to have that one tier. Although Constant s Wu has fifty in hustlers. I'm like, literally, I'm like, wait, don't cry anymore. I can't. It's and the way it was coming out was like not natural. I was like looking, I know, and her face just still looked perfect though, which I'm like, is that really crying? I guess some people look like that. When she did give you an iconic, single tier and crazy rich Asians. She did, she did?

Wait was the scene, stunning wedding scene, the wedding. Oh, the wedding scene. I just got chills sticking watch it again. The one iconic movie. And so when is when is the next one coming? I don't know, but we gotta get you in for some we gotta get you in that simply for some reason, they're not like rushing it, like I feel like they would just on anything that does really where they're like, we're making every Twilight movie

in the next three months. They are Russian because they're shooting the sequels back to back, but they always do that with the suit and it's like, okay, no, just like Avatar. Yeah, yeah, like Avatar. There's twelve avatars that we have not seen. Are you an Avatar person? I feel like I'm embarrassed, but yeah I saw four times literally read your three times your energy. Yeah. People tell me I like Jake Sully, Oh my god, um okay, the white eyes yeah big, I kind of saw by

Leona Lewis forgotten. Yeah, I definitely like really I thought that that was like a mega moment. Yeah, I was like this is and I'm still waiting for the sequels. And I'm going to that amusement park. We've been out, yes, bitch see when to the Star Wars one? And I was, oh, yeah, weait I forgot you guys go to an amusement parks in this house, we go. We're disney Gates. Yeah, Chared's to disney Gate. We have annual passes. Next week to celebrate Game Show being wrapped, he said he made a

reservation at Olga's Cantina and I cried. I cried, and that's called oh can I bring that? Sorry? Actually, that's been a thing I have. I haven't said that word yet, Like, oh my god. I almost did the other day and I was like, do I do this? Hope? I remember the first time I said it to my boyfriend. Five minutes later, I was in the bathroom and we were at like a friend's. A friend had like a gallery show,

like a bad one too. It was just terrible. And someone's banging on the door and I'm like, okay, relax, and I opened the door and he has thrown up like he's so drunk at this thing. And I was like, I literally just said I love you, like set it back. He's not gonna remember now. We got to redo that. This is How'm gonna remember it forever. And I do remember it forever, but kind of funny now. And I had to clean up his throw up after telling him I love him. That's beautiful. There's been three or so,

we're fine. Did he remember the next day that he did he did that? And yeah, I guess he claimed that he had said it before then, which I'm like, I wouldn't remember. He will. He doesn't listen to this podcast, so I couldn't talk about this. Yeah, I feel like I don't know. I can't gauge whether I should be the one to say it or he should be the one to say it don't matter. Yeah, I don't know about that. And it's like it's like it is that way, but it's like I don't know. We've also been dating

for June July, August September, five months. My first point friend, I said it. He said it first, really quickly. In my heart, I'm a lesbian with relationships faster than anything. And then you know what's weird. Every other element of our relationship I feel has moved fast. But we also were friends for like five months because I knew you were like I saw Jared Kimpetri's concert. Where else am

I going to say? Each other? So we know each other because my brother UM worked at this company with his close friend from call in l A. And so then a few nights I kept meeting him when I was in the closet even and it was so fun because I would just like talk to him and obviously like he knew, but he was just never like he's very perceptive. He's very perceptive, but not someone who's like giving you ship or like trying to like poke it. He would just like show up to like parties and

always be so sweet. And then once I came out, Um, I saw him like a like a year ago at the friend we shares. I think it was her mom's birthday party or something, and I had just come out and we just had this nice conversation. It's like always a fondness and anytime I see him, I'm like, he's very easy to talk to. Ye also insanely talented writer. Um. But yeah, that's how we know you. And the friend we share is like an age. Have you met Liz Kanyet No, But it was just her birthday. It was

just her birthday. Yeah, and just yeah, he said he was at her. He actually was at her birthday last night, and he said he did mushrooms and I was like, okay, yeah, having from I am truly I'm so scared of mushrooms in every way. Okay. Um, I think I did like kind of them. Um, but I like I've had i acid, you know, I had an acid moment in college and that was fun. But some of them now, I'm like, I don't know. I guess he literally he just texted

me now that's that's the cosmics because he's he's alive. Okay, he's good. I was kind of gonna just check, just like find that out. Um yeah, I don't know. There's I'm just like a little scared of them in this totally in this time, and this time it's gonna be scared from New York drugs. Honestly, it's like it's do not do not do anything until you're ready to do that. That one too, it's like you can wait. I think

I've done like partially them in college. And I was also like, you know, in a weird place in college. So I don't know. I like think my thought of them is weird. So I'm like, I think that you should wait. Especially college would have been weird because you were so preoccupied with the closet of it all. Yes, oh my god. That's the thing is you can't be

you can't be preoccupied. You do it because I feel like every time I did drugs, it would just be like someone be like, what are you thinking about right now? If you'd just be sitting there, I'm gay, just thinking about stuff, you know, But I would just be like, I'm so fucking gay, like fun, Okay, Yeah, I'm like I gotta figure that out. And I did love it, and I did. Yeah, but oh my god, and boyfriend or three years he's a good man. Yeah, I got

lucky on that one. I mean yeah. He's also a scorpio, which you know with some people go really hard on it, but it's fun. Some people are just like it's doomed. It's like, okay, like these were still you know. I believe and I don't. I think there's so much power in being the scorpio because I believe that scorpio is the sign that everyone comes for. I feel like, you know, who gets the worst rap Scorpio and Gemini and everyone's always like, it's so easy to come for the scorpis

and the general geminis. But when you learned how to harness the scorpi and the you're the most powerful person in the universe. Oh my god. One thing you just have to stay away from. It's Leo's I feel like, and I'm I'm sometimes very scared of Leo Leo's freak Leo's that aren't tamed and untamed alliance. Oh I don't think Yeah, Um, that was funny. Yeah, that was the most interesting video to make. I was like, this seems like the trickiest sign to sensitive. Yeah, Virgo's and Leo's

are tricky to me. To see more of this and more of our damn guest, you have to follow at any drama seven and he's gonna be your boss one day, and he's gonna be last one day. And but for now we have to do I don't think so, honey, Okay, Yeah, So this is the segment of Last Cultures. That's where we take one minute to ranch against something in pop culture that is just kind of grinding our gears. I did hint at mind before. Do you have one today? I do? But should I go firs and tradition. We

can have you go first because is Matt Rogers. I don't think so. When it time starts now, I don't think so, honey. They gave Adina Menzel another high e flat to belt in the new song Into the Unknown and Frozen two. Okay, So Adina, girl, we love you. Were a huge fan. We even saw skin Tight, which we honey, you know what is the thing about Let It Go? We can't hit that note. You know what's sad about the narrative of Let It Go? That it's rarely sung correctly. I don't think so, honey, of this

idea that it's a wealth. We tried a moment every time we preferred Let it Go and other songs. If you're a singer hired to do a job, and you're a professional, you hit the notes of the song. Now I'm reading an article and I don't think so, honey, of this article where she says she quote gets cocky and put another note in there, and krist And Anderson Lopez is quoted as saying, I don't know how we ended up here, but here we are quote and I'm sorry.

But when I'm watching Elsa realized she's a lesbian, because that is what that sequence is about. I don't want to be worried for your life. I don't think so, honey, Adina Menzel, girl, you're a bass what literally knocked out? You're gonna get sued for that. So the key you're hauling alphabet a bass. And I want to make this clear. I love I think she's a star. I think it is no mistake that she's been involved in many cultural phenomenons.

But it is distracting to watch her perform when the songs are too high, because you're not thinking about the performance, You're not thinking about what she's talking about. Especially in musical theater, you have to be on the journey with the character. You're just worried the whole time that she's going to make it to the end without I'm sorry, but killing herself. I didn't realize that, like it up,

hold on, I literally just had it up. It's important that so they So they went in thinking like we're not going to make the same mistake we did last time, and like throwing this insane, unattainable note, Well this is it. Um. Let's see. In Frozen two, she goes for the high e flat again. One that she typically hits as this article, but as publicly missed before, like when she sang live in a New Year's performance. Afterwards, she posted on Twitter that you quote can't get it right all the time,

but you can try your best. I don't think so hot. That's not There are singers who could do this in their sleep. But Manzel, this is the article didn't shy away from Arranged and Frozen two. In the sequel, she sings the high notes some more. Songwriters Kristen Erson Lopez and Robert Lopez included another e flat and equals and Elsa's sequel Ballot into the Unknown. They did, and I'll pay for that for the rest of my life and every other day that I can't sing it, joked Menzel

on the Frozen to Red carpet. The songwriters told USA Today they knew the Tony Award winning actress could do it. Quote. We work very closely with Adina and make sure everything's cool with her, and we explore different creek keys, whatever feels best, and this is where we ended up somehow, end quote, she said. She said the reviews are good, said it's darker, more challenging, and that there again is not a traditional villain. That the villain is the feelings

of the interior feelings. Apparently it explores themes of they have to go meet like another group of people, and they have to in meeting them, they confront things about their own past. And Evan rachel Wood plays their mother who has passed away. But I think I think there's like a dark truth about their family that they confront and apparently it's like apparently I kind of always want like a little witch, but yeah, no, I love but

you know, just a little bit. And this is Adina Menzel's last quote that I'll say quote I get cocky in the studio, I start to feel good, I go I can hit that, and then I wake up another morning and I'm like, why did I do that to myself? Girl, just lower the key for like saying I didn't know it was such like a thing. But here's the thing.

I'm still that she's not trying the head. Every time Adina screams these notes, I'm just like, girl, that doesn't sound good, and we're distracted, and it's I'm sorry, but it shouldn't be a narrative of let it go. That it is rarely sung correctly like, no one's mad at you if you lower the key, you sound lovely. You're an amazing singer, You're Adina Menzel, You're talented, and we love you when we stand. But like this high e flat is not it. But I also understand the expectation

around this. What's this single going to be from Frozen two? Is? By the way, we have not heard it. Oh, they won't release at this time. It's like not yet, It's still yeah, um, but it feels like they have to match it, at least on some technical level with with with with with a Nightmare. How about this gag? How about to Kristen Bell this time? How about this gag? How about give Jonathan Groff a song? Which I heard he does have a song. It's an eighties rock ballad.

I'm very excited. Yeah, oh my god, obsessed. He he's old that first movie. For me, I thought, you Christ, are you been talking about Josh Gad? I'm talking about Josh Okay, yeah, I'm talking about this is okay? Well, actually that's a loaded cast and we're adding Rachel to the mix and um Sterling cab Brown is also in the Wow, oh god, okay? Well, IV and Michel would you. I mean, you have to have a queer movie right there, if you absolutely do, Okay, I've got so that was

my I don't think so, honey. And now we're gonna go on to Bowen Yanks. I don't think so, honey, and Bowen Yanks. I don't think so, honey. On this episode will start now, I don't think so, honey. Music that doesn't come out on a Friday. The industry made a huge big deal out of moving it from Tuesday to Friday years ago, remember that. And now we've all been conditioned to expect new songs to drop on Friday.

I want I get disoriented when fucking you know, do Alipa puts out a song on a Thursday morning, honey? And then I don't know where I am, what day it is, what time it is, how I'm supposed to feel. It's really fucking up with all the seasonal change is happening in the midst of it all a sea now, and I feel like there's a trend and it's just really gonna fragment the whole release model of the industry

and who suffers the consumer us bitch. I don't think so, honey, me having to like go to my release radar playlist on Spotify and seeing songs that are at least six days old because why it came out on a Saturday instead of Friday. No, this throws off everything. Nothing feels fresh anymore, and nothing feels new. I want to be surprised and delighted, and music industry, you better get it together or else I will sue. That's one minute culture number ten. Remember that. Remember that I made a big

whole thing of making music come out on Friday. Remember that. Oh and that performance. She's not a dancer, but that was fantastic. But she always she knows her limitations and works all of it. She works her entire capability to the max. She's always got great stage and great backup,

great concepts. Yeah, I love the Discomatics are fantastic. So I missed that old boyfriend though he's like British and he's like a kind of like British e John Mary, oh god chef right, Like she's tating some celebrity now right, she's with the air. Oh that's right, young Yeah, is one. She's got to be you. You know what I forgot? I forgot that she had one best new artist at the Grammys. Did she really? She won Best New Artists, She beat out her baby Rexa, And I remember I

was like, huh, that's interesting. I never thought of Das. And then I really thought about it, and I was like, yeah, well new artist this year, not not too much else, it's going to be interesting this year. Yeah, because you got Billy. Can Billy be nominated? Now? Why did I think she was nominated last year? I mean, I am sure she was. She was for VM as she right, she wants, she wanted. She beat Lizzo for VM A thing. But I love Billy's acceptance video that she sent in. Yeah,

oh my god, did you remember what it was? She was like, hey, guys, problematic And then she's like, I'm in Moscow right now, and um, I'm sorry I can't be there. But and then she's what she says, music videos and visuals have always been a huge priority for me totally. There was something like when we were six and were like panicking, white knuckling being closeted, and she was like, I want my concepts. I just love thinking of her like at a table being like for this one,

I'm gonna cry like black tears. Yeah. Yeah, And I think I should pop the next video. I would love it. She super sweet, super sweet girl. Oh yeah you better Okay, yeah, I'm sure she is. She was who has been the sweetest, nicest celebrity you've meta? Was on I know that you know Megan the Yeah, Megan, the most gorgeous person you've ever seen in yourself. I also just loved watching you you get the camera was catching you standing her oh yeah,

and Chloe and he's just staring at her. She's like, it was like, we love you so much, and it was and Chloe Chloe was. Chloe loved that week with Chance because Chloe loves loves Chances and then Chloe's parents mad Chance. He got so much like Internet, Hey, first album, first album, because I love that Nicky one. So that's my fifth Forceman of the Apocalypse on NICKI, I mean, we love nick and we never forget Never Never you

can't Pink Friday. I listened to She's About to Ruin Everyone with Shenley and then the album There's a good eight song album in Queen and Queen absolutely like, um, Barbie Dream, Barbie Barbie Dream was Barbie Tank And then what was that song? Oh god, U good form good good for ye eat the cooking and good form. Yeah, I think I love that should have I'm sad that that should have been. Yeah, that should be qua. I have to say. I also love the pink print and

I really love I love um Roman Reloaded. I mean, oh, I think it's great. I love her. I love her forever. I mean pound the Alarm is forever my alarm, Like, oh my god, that forever. Sometimes I haven't like like, oh my god, she's a great voice in the trap that album has and come on a cone, come on within with it. Can you know? That's what I think. Immediately when that came out and I did that, it was like, oh, I'm an absolutely section. I was watching

her like eat your Hollywood Story. I remember like in high school, and my whole family knew I was obsessed, Like I was a Kendall for sure, and they have this ething and this person is being interviewed and they're like, I mean, yeah, all the people that like Nikki are like women, and then those are the barbies, and then there's the gay guys, which is the Kendalls. My family is all just sitting there and I'm like, yeah, I don't know, like stay guys like her too. That's so yeah,

but truly a Kendal forever. I hope this retirement thing is just like I'm sure it's fake. Yeah, she's just like she works, she's a brand. She's stunting on us. She retired and dropped a Fendi line. She's not retired. No, her photo shoots Petty Petty. Absolutely. You know she was in her dressing room when she screams out and says that change it to miss Petty, change it and idea, and he bossed up so good. There's no wish I

wrote it. But they're like, I'm so sad We're never going to get to know how many of us are our nicky stepsons and album because like that, someone kept being like, yeah, how many step sons, this nicky having queen And she says it a few times, but I love every time. It's like my son, motherfucking stepson, my son. Yeah you know what did so? Oh my god, I loved it that whole album start to finish, it's like just Natasha bedding Field. Yeah. Super Bases are is our

national it is, it really is. It's actually real culture. Number six super Bases are national. I said that one with you. It's like, but now we have to have benitos. I don't think I think I have one. I'm just okay, yeah, okay, I just just go for yeah. I don't know if I can. You guys do it so fast and like, oh okay, all right, this has been skin of time. Honey's time starts now. I don't think so, Honey casting is c g I James Dean in that movie. That's

super uncomfortable. Also, every time we see C g I people, it was like the last time I remember it was Tron and they tried to do that and then it was like JFK and Transformers. It always makes me uncomfortable, like always looks weird. They can never quite get faces avatar works because you know, like they're blue, but everything else, Like I remember they did it to Jeff Bridges and try to make him look young and it made me uncomfortable.

I remember it chapter two they had some of the kids like look younger, and a few times I caught it on screen, I was like, I didn't need it, would have still believed they were young. M Yeah, C g I people. And also it's like he didn't sign out for that, like he died at twenty four. This is uncomfortable. I don't need to see him act anymore, like we have his movies already. Um, and I feel like his family if like I think he still has family, has to be uncomfortable with seeing him. And also how

are you gonna do that? Like is it going to be his type of acting which is very different than we act now. And the whole thing is like I think it's super disrespectful to him, his legacy. It makes me uncomfortable cgi people. And that's when a minute I would agree let dead people be dead. It just makes me so uncomfortable because like a part of me also I just want to see how, like what it looks like. So then it's like I feel bad as a consumer of it because why I am curious how you're going

to do that. It's also like that there that was their art, that was their legacy, and so now you know, you know what kind of bothers me is the huge hit that Higher Love is with Whitney Houston on it, It's like, you, guys, Whitney's dead, she let her rest. And also here's a question for the table, how do you guys feel about Robin Whitney's Robin coming out and talking about the fact, I would say, I'll say my

take on it is. My take on it is. I kind of have a mentality now with the closet where it's like, we need to stop this, we need to stop normalizing being in the closet to advance professional careers, we need to start coming out and all saying what the real truth is. I think everyone that's in the closet is currently. I understand it's hard, we all know

it's hard. But if we continue this narrative of normalizing being closeted to kind of do this, that's toxic because it is not normal to pretend it is normal to be yes. But but I don't think that's I'm not that's not my takeaway from this conversation. Well, that's that's my mine neither. I actually think Robin was an equal partner in that relationship. A lot of people are talking about it, and this is her truth and she should speak read did you read like the story that she

tells about when Whitney ended things? Talk about it, and I'm already like, I mean I saw the movie and I'm still like very hard. God, it's really killed those women. It's just a um but uh, it was early like they had a physical relationship early on in their friendship and early on in Whitney's career, and Whitney decided to end it very early on as well, but they maintained

very like emotional she was like her rock for years. Yeah, but Whitney decided to end it, and um gave Robin a blue Bible as like a gift and I guess a symbol of like, we gotta end this. And then she was like and then what did when you say? She was like, we can't, I can't, we can't keep this going. It was basically kind of like she was between the career and her and she kind of chose that. And also I think there was so much familiar pressure.

And also I'm sure that there was a great deal of you know, not if it wasn't self hatred, then it was self doubt, you know what I mean. And so you know, also just in the black community, it's incredibly difficult, and I mean I think it's incredibly hard to be like a very feminine presenting pop star and

then very religious that you know. Sissy is on the record of saying that that would have been a huge red line for her, and you know, she didn't have really a good relationship with her father, and you know, you know, you forget like Whitney Houston was groundbreaking in the mainstream, like and then when she became a movie star, like you know what I mean, opposite like who at that time was like our biggest movie star new Robert Redford. Yeah, that truly is. Yeah, I mean I think that we

we don't know, but The Bodyguard was huge. Yeah, I think because we know it, it must be so big. You know, it's like because we know of the song and just like you know, it has to be so insane.

But that is my take on it. I'm like, you know what, I'm happy that Robin is taking the narrative being like because because you know what, it's got to be very hard to be a footnote in someone else's story, especially someone that you really cared about who's no longer here and cannot speak for you or for the situation for themselves. So she is the only person who can

speak truth to that. To watch all these documentaries and pieces and to finally to finally yeah and she yeah, even in white, I don't think they she wasn't interviewed for it, right, I don't think she's Robin was not in it. Yeah, but they talked about it. It's like the first time I had ever heard about that, which just I was like, I found that really alarming that I had never before then heard about Whitney having like any relationships with women. So yeah, I'm kind of glad

that she's finally spoken on it. I feel like, you know, to like end the speculation, which I never like speculations, Like I just find that to be like super you know, like either closet shaming or kind of just like sketchy and inherently just because it's like we think this was going on, it's like, well, can't we just like talk to the human being. I honestly, I think about this.

We've talked about it on this podcast about Shawn Mendez, where it's like it's like it's like now it's uncomfortable because it's like it's such a narrative and I'm just kind of like like, let things be what it is. Like there's a part of me that's like if if, if that is happening, then I feel like it's sad because I just don't want kids who are watching it to hear the narrative around it and be like, oh, that has to be me. It's it's it's poisonous. The

whole thing is the shame of it. And also I'm like, if he is like the inner trauma facing of like being closeted in public, not in any way like like I don't know, and we genuinely don't know what I would just say. I would say the only thing that he is out about is the fact that he has insane anxiety. So it's like, why are why why are we like it's angry at this, why are we pressing that even more? Yeah, it's like I never find that

to be Yeah. And also, yeah, you're like scaring everyone who is in the closet, and you know, like people who grow up not in cities and don't see gay people all the time. It's like funk, okay, Like he's

getting shamed for being in the closet. But it's like, but I don't know if you're necessarily proving to him that it's great when you're out, he's attacked, Yeah, because the second he comes out, it's like not everyone's going to be like, we let me accept you a lot of people that are like this, but there's going to be some people that are like, why did you do? You know what I mean? He's very he is the biggest male pop star right now. Absolutely. Yeah. He's a

new Bieber. So it's like if Bieber had come out. I'm yeah, I'm curious. I don't know. Yeh, who knows what? I feel bad. I feel like you have to come back because we so much. This is an honor. It really is talking about our pop with the two of you. This is a culture really scratched. The damn surfair. We need to get into the Jeff Coon's cover, which there's so much to be said. I mean so much. But um, so, are you going to be doing your show a lot

going forward? A little bit? I'm almost It's been a year, so I'm kind of like almost done. I think I'm kind of getting getting back in and making some sketches. Um, I need you two and sketches immediately immediately. I don't know if I think cont okay, yeah, we'll find so much. Um but yeah, I'm doing like a few shows in the next month. I a few in Texas and then well can they find your shows on your Instagram? Did you plug Yeah in my Lincoln. Thank you so much

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