"Patti Lupone Marked It” (w/ Cole Escola)

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it is another episode. Wow, Well then if that's true, I'm gagged. I'm so excited you guys. First of all, this is the first episode where that we're back after our live show. And that was fun. That was so fun, and thank you guys, so much for coming. Yeah, a million people showed up, one million, I think, Um, I think trumps. Yeah, I think Sean Spicer put out a statement. Yeah yeah, he actually he had put out a statement

and said that it didn't happen. And then his cupid's bow just fucking just tore in half and his face just split. Um, oh my god. That was so fun. It was so great and it definitely did happen. And you guys can if you haven't, check out the UM episodes of the live show and we have today. I mean I referred to him as our personal hero. Um. I think that's accurate. Um. I was thinking today and he's gonna hate this. I think, like, I'm like, this is solely when I never say ship like this, but

I'm like, oh God, like pinch me. Like he's like like like he's a friend. Well, it's like when you see someone truly brilliant performance, like, you know, you get a little baby. Okay, let's look a little a little you get a little bit for him. Um, let's let's talk about the credits. You know him from Who Lose Difficult People. You know FX, and you know him from Mozart in the Jungle and you know him from his upcoming Joe's Pub show June fourteen. It's called help I'm stuck.

It sounds wonderful. Run don't walk, guys, please welcome and you know what, you open the door wide open immediately he ding dong, run up, run down, the clutch the banisters, clutch the banisters, also sucking iconic. I don't think so much. Thank you, Thank you. I decided if I was gonna you either go you either go um frivolous or you go real. And if you're gonna go real, better go real. I think I'm going to butcher this, but this is

just one of the best setups and and punchlines executions. Um, you gave me ship for playing with you said I was too old to play with Barbie dolls. He's sorry, I'm sorry. This is for people who didn't listen. Cole, I don't think so honey. His mom wanting a relationship with him now, and he brought up the fact that she said that he was too old to play with barbies, and then Cole says, We'll check your back for a Mattel label bit because I've outgrown you so good. Thank you,

I mean, come on, thank you. How are you? I'm okay, Yeah, that's your stock answer. I've asked you this a lot and it's always I'm okay, yeah it is. It is. What's going on? Well, you know the rain, the rain, it's a little rain in New York. And I was talking to a friend of ours, Aaron Jackson, yes, about

how it's so appropriate to cancel and snow. But you kind of need to cancel more so for rain because you can you can dust snowflake sauce or I find it much easier to walk around and the snow than it is when the rain is called is falling down? Now are you saying you were very close to canceling on us, because no. The reason I brought it up is because Aaron had to come over to my house and so I felt I felt bad. We're gonna We're gonna be Aaron later on tonight. We're gonna go see

Power Rangers. Um, and we extended invitation to you. But it's fine. You have a conflict, it's okay interest, you have a comment of interest, recuse yourself from the So also, I didn't realize so Cole came in here and he removed his coat and let me tell you something. The garment that will put it on the blog. We're gonna take a picture of it in a little bit and it's gonna be it's gonna stunt everyone. This is great. And also I didn't realize it was the date. Look.

Oh yeah, but I put this on before I even knew I was going on the date. Okay, Okay, I think it's great. This It's just it's it's like it's a red corduroy with It's like it's like red, um, what is this? It's like, um, I want to It's not denim. It's like faux. I don't know. It's like something a lady would wear on an L. L Bean catalog. She's like, I have an hour to get somewhere. Yeah, I want to say somewhere. It's it's not the right word,

but I want to say it's like twill something like that. Okay, okay, no, no, yeah, absolutely, We're just gonna pitch the materials. And then there's a beautiful cordu ry black collar color. And also what a nice vibrant color. This is something I'm more I'm very into lately. Is just a strong, bold color, Like I'm wearing this color. Speaking of bold colors, Um Cole, I'm wearing a green flannel. Yes, that's like a great creek.

I'm wearing green. Cole has been documenting his um new apartment and the new horror UM and I just think it's so resplendently you what is it described? Described personality? Um? Someone called it a dollhouse um, and and others have voiced similar and you and I've agreed. Friend of the show Aaron Jackson did tell me personally that he went over and, Um, you bought like a ceramic cake. It was foam. It's foam. It's a fake. It's a prop cake,

prop cake. Again. I just get these visions and then I go, thank God for the Internet, I know, because you order at all. I recently did a show and I was like, God, where am I going to get all these props? Let me tell you they are all. Yeah, they're online. And then um, I recently discovered myself at party city like more than once in a week, and the girl recognized me and said, do you want to open up an account here at party sitting And I was like, no, I don't, and you haven't been back no,

but like I would go back. They have such good stuff boas of every color. I realized I now have a boet in like every color except yellow, which I should get. Was your complexion? A surprised that wasn't the first one that you bought. I know, but it goes to go so good with my Tampa skin brings out your tones absolutely. I was just in Tampa and let me tell you, beautiful, beautiful, but I'm also trash. Yeah, yeah,

so that's part of me. Yeah yeah, Like any any time I see like a guy with that like band of tattoo around his bicep, It's like a huge positive trigger for me. I'm like, I love it crazy, I love it Like Jersey Shore was not like wholly disgusting to me. It was a little bit hot. Like Poli d I was still thinking about like three months ago. Holi d haven't thought about him in a while. He dated Aubrey O Day from Danity came meeting with the mind. What a power couple now, Cole Um, I think things

are going good in the apartment. This is a new so this is a new move. What inspired the move? I had roommates and Um one of them was from New Zealand. UM he was a gay Christian gamer who didn't like cussing. And then there was one weekend he was sick and he didn't know what to do, and he kept asking for my advice, and and you know it sounds like too much, right right, you don't like I'm one of those people. If I hear my roommate in the kitchen, I'm going to stay in my room

until they're gone. Or like if if I hear something sizzling on the stove, I go, okay, that means his back will be turned to me. If his face sneak into the shower, yes, but it just got to be too much. I'm so sorry. Well, look you can't. You cannot live your life in fear. This is something. Yeah. Um no, what was his What were his games of choice? I have no idea. They were like, um, multiplayer game you got is like games that today. Eric Erson and

I were playing video games. Well, we were playing Super Smash Brothers, but we were talking about and I was really enjoying myself, and I was saying to myself because when I was little, I was a big video games kid, Like I had an in sixty four and I loved playing. But I liked the cartoonish like Mario stuff like I like Donkey Kong. I didn't like it when I got to all this like super realistic, violent kind of like craziness, Like I'm just not into it. And I never got

into Hallo. I didn't like like the scary sci fi aspect of it. It just kind of frightened me. Sea. Yes, I had my Sonic No, but I played there. There was a game where you could be the little dot from the seven up logo Oh my god and um but that sounds like but I didn't. I wasn't really good at it, so I never got past the first level. So I kind of just jump around the beach that you interpreted how to play the video games. I was just like, I get to live in this for a

little while exactly until someone steps on me. Yeah. But then we were talking today about like how advanced they are in terms of storytelling now and how like they're visually beautiful, and I was like, maybe I'll try it again. Maybe I'll like try to save up for a PS four, which I really don't fucking need, and now I'm not going to do it, can't you know what, Joe, You're right about? Yeah, I don't know what kind of games, but I I'm jealous of gay game culture. Sure you

know you're not. You guys aren't missing much. Yeah, do you feel like when you're playing the games like that you're wasting time a little bit? Um? But last night I flew back in and just too unwind. I put on Zelda and in fact, Aaron. This is very in

Aaron heavy episode. It's just too much. Aaron came over last weekend just to watch me play because he's he's a big he is an erstwhile game er, I should say, right, And he came over because he wanted to re experience this nostalgia for watching other people play video games, which is like, yeah, sort of a weird sort you know, auristic thing that's kind of sick. Yeah, I think we should should check on him. We should also not talk

about him so much. Obviously there's something going on. There's something on, and you know, just was I did did not did not make the first mention like eventually we're going to listen to this and be like, oh we should it would become Yeah, he just wanted to come over and kind of just watch me do stuff. At first,

I was just play video games. But then he like he stayed after and just kind of see that's interesting because I thought I thought I thought that was he wanted to watch me cut a piece of bread in half. He brought the bread and like this very like flimsy plastic knife and he's like, no, no, used that knife that I don't know what. And then of course what happened happened. Um, if you see Aaron Jackson, you know, give him a hug and maybe ask him how he's doing.

And if you don't see me, um, I'm probably dead. Aaron probably killed him. Yeah, Um. Okay, so listen, So video game is not really a part of your cultural past, but we're about to find out much more. So. We asked everyone on our show, what was the culture that you saw experienced as a young gun and made you say wow, culture is for me. Cola Scola like, I want to become a part of this. I'm interested in pursuing culture. Yeah, I'm interested in I want to slather

my frame in culture. What made you want to say that? What made you say that? Well, there, I guess when I saw the Wizard of Oz. Okay, this is a big one for a lot of people. For a lot of people, and um, if you have to tune out now, hey, look, I forgive you. I'm I'm as tired of talking about

it as you are you are listening about it. But I, UM, I was obsessed with um Billie Burke, Linda, and from there I started I I rented like Dinner at Eight and like got you know, so it was interesting to me that Billy Burke is your takeaway from that and not Judy and also secondarily not Margaret Hamilton, like a Billy Burke queen. Yeah, yeah, I was crazy. I love that character voice. She's fucking gorgeous. Yeah, she's snatched. Yeah, she's looks good. Yeah, she drops in she's like, no, bitch,

like what did I tell you? She's like, she's like, you didn't tell me, and she's like, oh sorry inconvenience. Yeah, but she was gorgeous. And then I found out like, oh, she was fifty at the time and she didn't have any hair at that point. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, so she I was. I was just obsessed with with her. And then through that I got into old movies and you know, you're Betty Davis, You're Joan Crawford. Okay, so are you

living for food. Yeah, yeah, and I'm I'm I'm going to the They're screening the finale here in New York. Oh my God, with Ryan Murphy, jess Oh Strandon. I'm going. Okay, So I am so gagged for the show and also my new thing because I've been watching Feud and Big Little Lies and I am what gets me going is just like actresses acting like it's my favorite thing in the world. It's it's why I wake up in the morning.

So I'm in true heaven right now. So I tweeted at the actress that plays Pauline assistant yea, so, who's amazing And did you know that character is the only one not based on a real persons an amalgamation of women around the time, which I didn't know until I read an interview with her, and I tweeted at her like they need to give this woman an Emmy because my new thing is being like that performance deserves an Emmy. Everything I see. Yeah, I can't get enough. Like now

my new thing is Robin wigert On. I don't think you meet her in episode three. She's so amazing. But I tweeted out like like a true gay man, I was like, um, can we start the Emmy campaign for Allison? Right? She's the unsung hero of this show. And she like retweeted it and was like, you heard the fact, you heard them, you heard you heard the man, you heard those people. The people are talking. It's like one ranting gay.

Have I encountered Pauline and I'm only an episode two? Yes, probably because Pauline is the character that tells Alfred Molina and the show you must make whatever happening. She gives him the book right right right right, right right right, and so that's her. But I mean, I'm all about I'm all about her to Hopper, come on, I mean where she I mean, she's been in everything. But it's also like, what was the last thing, what was the last big thing she was in? I'm trying to think, well,

I played Nancy Reagan. That was probably the last ordsy thing that she was in. But she also hates um. I've read interviews where she talks about hating American America and like Judy Davis, yeah, because she's Australian. Honestly agree. I guess I didn't know that. She's like an Australian stage actress and she hates like performing for like American audiences.

I kind of get it. I got it. Somebody was saying the other day, Oh, I was watching Girls and it was the end of the episode and Lena Dunham was talking about there was a big episode that was for Elijah. It was Andrew Ynolds like driven episode, which was kind of cool, and there's a scene where he has to sing for an audition and it's the first time we've heard Elijah on the show sing, but we all know that Andrew Reynolds fabulous singer and musical theater performer.

So he like slays this short, short shortcut of let Me Be Your Star, and he fucking crushes it. And um. Then it's cuts to Marissa Jarrett Winnocher, who's playing the casting director, saying yeah, you can stay for the monologue and popping open a bag of chips and then just like going in these chips and he's like, okay, great.

And then after the episode, Lena Dunham was saying that I guess they they collaborated with him a little bit about the episode, and he would talk about how he would be doing a book of Mormon, like giving his life, and then they would just be people loudly chomping on chips like in the first and second row. And that's not how you treat like a theatrical experience like The World Over there was I saw Hello Dolly. Oh this is this is important to this show. Oh my god,

it's crucial. I from my I turned to thirty last November, thank you. Nothing broke but I And and for my birthday I bought a ticket too. I saw the matinee of war Paint, and then that night I saw Hello Dolly, And then the day after I saw a glass menagerie with can you can you spill a little bit about all of them? Okay, yeah, here we got all so Warpaint it was very confusing because it doesn't know what

its messages. It was like obviously written before Trump but there, but there, It's still about like it's like a love story between these two women, like how they were like rivals, but their rivalry actually like inspired them to be better

at what they do. And this is Patty and Christina, Patty Lapone and Christina and so and there's one point in the show where where Christina ever Saw's character has Elizabeth arden Um has a line about how you have to stand up to bullies no matter what, and this is like taking place right before World War Two, and it got like a huge applause from the audience because we're like yeah, Trump. And then it goes into this musical number about supplying lipstick for our women to like

look good for the men overseas. So it was this huge like blue ball moment of like like oh, yes, this is so cathartic and like yes, yes, um, stronger to go there few female power and then and then like I'll outcome these Rosie the Riveter Chorus girls in like sequ like yeah, doing like kicks and like we'll look good and pink like like oh just just a yeah.

And it had a lot of those sort of moments where it was like because Patty's characters an immigrant who started Helen Helena Rubinstein who started this business, and so there's a lot of like almost moments that way too, and then it's just like it's Patty amazing. Yeah, yeah, they're both. They both give great performances. See I think my thing. I saw Patty and Gypsy, as I'm sure you did as well. Yes, and um, did you see

Patty and Gypsy? Didn't instead chose to see Zianna, but I saw not to do as well, and I was, yeah, right, um, I saw. I thought with Whoopi gold Perk did was she on book because I heard there was a lot of performances where she was. Second, I thought we were still talking about Gypsy and Whoopi Goldberg and Gypsy. But I can't imagine I can and I'd rather leave right now. The discussed no, but Whoopee was could not have wanted to be their least. Oh yeah, she I'm sure she

was looking at a clock off stage. She was usually off by seven. She feeling for Jackie Hoffman. She was helling in. Yes, yeah, I mean it makes casting wise, it sort of makes sense a little bit. But yeah, like well they put it was a real pro which was like a dragging around this stage. It was like here now watching someone walk their very old dog, you know where they're like apologizing like sorry, so I feel

like it's okay, it's okay. Yeah whatever said. It was like that's amazing, Okay, so now talk about because I want to ramp up to hell do to us about their glass Managerie. It was, um, you know, Tennessee, will is so stylized and it's so like it's like poetry, right, and so this production is very like like modern and

so it's just like that. Yeah. Yeah, it was like a bear set and um, I mean there were a lot of interesting things, but it's still like, I don't know, you take that dialogue and then you try to make it conversational and it just loses the music. Maybe I'm just gay. I don't minimalism, yeah out because no, thank you. I don't think so, honey, minimalism, right, I don't think so, honey. I'm paid to see a Broadway show, do you think so? Honey? Tennessee Williams and you sterilize it and then it's just

let's just say we went. We want to go see Sunset Boulevard and I'll talk about that later. I want to go see that with you. We went to go see it and it was it was on my birthday. Yeah, we went to go see it. And let's just say I'm saving it for a segment later in the show. But but no shade to Glen Close, who's a fun and legends. Are you sure? I'm sure? I'm positive. Okay, what's your shade with? What's your tea? With Glenn Close?

I don't have tea with Glenn Close. Look, some of us, um like Patty Lapone, Yeah, and some of us, some of us have room to love. Both have bad taste. I'm guy for Patty. Are you one of those gays who watches on a loop the Kennedy Center Honors to Barbara Cook? Oh? Um, if you haven't seen it, No, I haven't seen it because Glenn Close singing losing my mind, yeah, and the cut to Anne had the way in tears

at the yes, it's yeah, we're at that moment. That moment had to be like edited from somewhere else like that she paid to have it in there, right, sure, push um. But but it's so funny to watch Meryl watching Glenn Close sing and wondering what what is Merril thinking? Like, oh Glenn, oh Glenn. But Meryl was I mean I think she was gagged the whole time, but rocking back

in her yeah yeah yeah. But that night Merrill was probably just like laughing and clown because she was like, well, I'm being honored and I have this fucking pin on my little right. Also, it's so so much more boring to watch like actors be like oh sure, because singers and songwriters. You can watch them do their music right for an actor, It's just like when I met Meryl. We were on a set of a movie and we got close. We haven't talked much since then, but I'll

never forget it. Although that true, Yeah, not totally unrelated. Tracy Alman did do a tribute for Meryl some hilarious Oh that was the a f I she talked about doing that movie in Africa, and then they were and they want to play together and almost crashed and Merril was like, oh, this is great for my biographer. Like Tracy Alman just pulled out a great That was a terrible Maryland legend. Streep dies and fiery air disaster. Also on board Limy comedian see Pullman is the exact joke.

I've oh my god, I mean, Tracy Elman, the children have forgotten. We're going to do an episode the children have forgotten. And the thing is the American children, the American children, they need not forget because she's very present. I mean, I I just wish that more kids had gone to see Into the Woods because it was so fucking good. I thought that with it, my wish um would be for people for the kids to remember Tracy Ellman, she's killing it on her sketch shows too. An HBO

and HBO is really good to her. Um they are the I will say, they do treat her well. She's always got a fucking show. She had like a little bit part that was really funny Young Girls a couple of weeks. That's right, it was fun. It was too short, but it was way too short. I was like, if you're going to give Matthew resent entire episode, let's forge write a whole thing for Tracy ellmant please, okay, so glassnaree. Then it was fine. It just good. Talks to us

about Sally Field. Did she give you full drag? She gave you screen actress on the stage, which was like good, but just like you you just note you realize that, like, oh, stage acting is very different, is very different, and I kind of wish I was watching a stage. She was great and like, just did it right. Yeah, I would pay good money to the children. Have forgotten Cherry, Cherry, you know why, because the children never really got to know Cherry. I think we need to we need to

be celebrating our dikes more. So let's let's please call to the stage Cherry Jones, Let's please call to the stage, Holland Taylor, Let's call to the stage. Sapolsi's ex girlfriend. Imagine that love triangle. I'm not sure it was ever trying. Honestly, I want to put him in a movie together, all three of them, and watch them burn it up. Put those women in the nineteen fifties drama directed by Todd Haynes and let Me fucking Die watching. Yes, throw Julianne

Moore in there too, shine off. I mean, or just do a biopic of their their trips. Ryan Murphy Sarah Paulson cold, honestly, how meta? And she and she could play Cherry if they all if we did a Ryan Murphy like the American Horror Story, Hatthy Bates would play Cherry Joan thank you, Sarah Paulson would play Holland Taylor. Yeah, and um fucking s the call pitches to Ryan when you go to the party, I will I'll scream from It's not it's not a part. It's not like I

would've been screaming then, you know. It's not like I was personally invitent. It was just like I went to the premier of season nine of RuPaul's drag race, like Rue was there, but it wasn't, Like I just said at the table with him and like he bent over and asked how I was. It's like things are who you are? Who? Then? Are you? Please leave my table? I need to get change in my dressing room. Um, Hello Dolly? So Hello Dolly? And was that the last

one you saw? Now? That was the that was the middle one, So that probably did that ruin the rest of him for you because it must have been, well, the the first one was war paint than Hello Dolly that night, and it was the feeling that you got doing plays in high school, like that good feeling yeah yeah, like like remember how exciting it was to be play.

It was like that feeling, but in the audience just like just like watching yeah yeah yeah, Like it brought that feeling up of just like you like pretty costumes and like whoa, there's a train and that that laid it out. Yeah it's Bett Midler and Helloler. She does that little scurry walk across the stage at one point. Do you think it's going to be impossible to get tickets? I mean I think you can still, I would if you can, I think you can they're ridiculously expensive and

nothing's opening up. Well, I fucking we saw Glenn close for like and the Nose Bleeds though. Okay, okay, but here's the thing. So Henry and I were in London like ten months ago and she was doing it there and it was a whole different story, like you could not get a seat. And then someone reminded me, you will know she did this part and probably already, like

kind of people have already seen it. So a lot of people that would have been really excited about it, I have already seen it in New York or if they didn't, they fucking went to London to see it, like they made sure they've done seen Glenn Cloves already do Sunset Boulevard, and so it's not as exciting. I think it's maybe more for her and lo KEI. We were in like the fifth mezzanine and it was pretty empty. It was it was it was not turn out. So but and this is I just want to mention this

before we move on. Glenn's entrance was from like the top tier of the stage and so you couldn't see her. So people started plotting and then we and then Aaron me Aaron, Henry and Matt are just like, oh, what's going on? Oh we're plotting Glenn's feet like it's right, like that's the entrance, right. She had like after with one look, she got a standing ovation after as if we never standing ovation. Then she came out for four count of four curtain calls, which is on the low end.

Let me tell you, we only asked, but four is on them. Because I hear that the averages six. She wouldn't get off. She wouldn't get off. And then what I was doing, I was saying, probably what's going on is like because every time she would come back on, the lead actor would come on as well, and I was like, probably she's getting off, and then being like okay now and this time I'll just it'll just be me, and then he just follows her every time we got

to do it again and it's it's just me. I don't want to do flour but like I will if you don't stop doing what you're doing right right. There was none of that with miss Bett calls. The bet take just the one like like the one with your company and then the one by herself and like you know, and you know, like a huge ovation when she entered. You know it's bad, Ian, come on, it's and and everyone in the cast is so fucking good. I'm sure.

Um Gavin creel Um. This this actor Taylor Trench, who is I think he's going to get a tony I think, oh yeah, he was. Um Um Blake Dan. He and Blake Daniel dated for a friend of the show. Hello Dolly Is has a very special place in my heart. It was like one of the first live musicals I ever saw, and it just fell in love with the form of musical musical truly. I was like, oh, this is and it was a well done high school production

of it. The worst thing what There was a drunk woman next to me, and there was who kept like going what no, um and not not even clapping, just like waving her hand. Yes exactly. It was that. And then there was behind me a senile old man with his adult daughter who clearly this daughter was like, oh, this dad used to love this show. I'll take him to see Hello Dolly. He had no idea where he was.

He was talking the whole time, like singing. He kept singing Hello Dolly like during like ribbons down my back, like even though he would sing Hello Dolly, and then he kept trying to make out with her his daughter No, yeah, yeah, yeah. I could just hear all this going on behind me, and I was like, please made so much money for this ticket for my birthday, but the show what is

your birthday? No? Okay, so you bought it back then? Yeah? Okay, right when it went on, saying yeah, yeah, so I'm gonna make that my mission because I like, I gotta, I really want to see you should also go back and see Donna Murphy when she does it on Tuesdays? Does see Donna Donna Murphy stepping on Tuesdays two days after it opens? Yeah? Would pay good when you see and you know he just died. Oh that's that's tragic. You know what, you're not a part of this community

at all. I have some respect trauma trauma. Okay, Wow, he's never been this vocal. Who knew it would take us attacking his gay credentials? Yea, oh my god, Donna Murphy, Donna Murphy. Although you know what, I will say this not a Tangled fan, but we'll often listen to mother Knows Best Ticket from your Mumsy Scar. Yeah, I love it. It has that movie has one of the best villain reprises. Knows love villain. Yeah, like Ursula deserved a poor Unfortunate

Souls reprise? She got one, did she. I think there's an element of the song that not in the film, not in the movie. I don't know. I think that there was something. Now you know what fact checkers get on this. I don't think it's there anyway. Wait, what would how would I have gone? It would have been like true, I had legs and I'm getting my voice. I don't know how Wait, no, she does? She does with Vanessa. When she's Vanessa, doesn't she cackle and then

like sing a line as Vanessa? I know it's she like starts cackling, and then the necklace starts to glow, and then her form changes into Vanessa and it's just her laughing and laughing and laugh. No, no, no, she does have a little bit of a song as she transforms into Vanessa. Because there's a part where it goes from pack you're right here, right, it's packed two. It's when she's human and she's in the palace and she's looking in a mirror and her reflection is I can't enough.

Whoever decided to name that character of Vanessa. Oh my god, how I com like the evil version that the evil hot version of no Vanessa, like I can I don't remember. I don't think this happened, but in my mind there was a moment when I watched it and hearing her name Vanessa, thinking thank you, like like yes, unaware game, We're like that feels right? Yeah? Waitum did pat Carol? That's the way I would imagine that she must think she might still be alive. Airplane moment, but you would

be surprised. Who's alive? Glenn's John's is alive? Who is familiar? Um sending the clown the original st Night music? And she also played I first. Oh, this is another like culture moment. Birth moment for me was the movie Superstar. At one point, Glennis John's, who plays her grandmother, is watching the movie of Gypsy and I was like twelve, and I was like, I need to see that movie.

And so then I did like detective work, like like there's you can hear one song of one line of Everything's coming up roses and I found the musical based on that and you watched it at a young young age. See that was me with um, I've talked about this funny girl. My mom loved Barbara streis And, and we actually, Sudy and I saw her in concert, like I love Barbara deeply and that was like the night. Yeah, we

did go the same night. Yeah, so and it was awesome. Yeah, but also that that concert got ruined for me by the conservative woman who sat behind me, who was screaming, I heard a shut up about politics. At this point, you have to know you came to a Barbara streis And concert in the middle of the biggest election of all time, Like, what the fund did you think? She's in Brooklyn? Right? But she was incredible and um so relaxed and funny girl to me, one of the most

iconic performances. But it's so weird how we find those things, right, Like what a tangential way you to get to arrive at that, because you expect when people sort of toss off these references and these like you yeah yeah, like these movies that it's like, oh, of course you very organically found it, but it's like it very rarely ever works out the way. I have a question. Okay, so what's the best live performance you've ever seen? Oh? I know my answer, I have an answered. It's very basic

what I have. It's I probably have a different answer, but like just on the criteria, the criteria of live performance, UM, Beyonce Information World Tour, and it's very blew my mind. That was see, I was thinking in a more theatrical space. So then that's a different because you know what, Yeah, for sure when I saw her do her for performance at roseland that was unbelievable. But I was thinking, I

remember when I was young. I was like eleven or eleven or twelve, thirteen years old, um, and we went to the city, came in from the Long Island, and we went to the t KTS booth to get like cheap tickets to something. And this was right after Sutton Foster had wanted Tony. Yeah, and so I'm gonna call it throwing modern And she was the like name over Drowsy Chaperon. So we got tickets to see the preview of Drowsy Chaperon and she gagged the house down. There's

a number called show Off. Yeah yeah, oh my god. It was a feat. You know. I'm I'm friends with Lisa Lambert who wrote the lyrics. She's fantastic, yeah yeah, And she when I was in Toronto. She that's where she wrote the show, and she was like, I wanted to want me to show you the house where I wrote show off. Oh my god, Oh my god, that's on the website. That number. That number is incredible and like it's truly it's so funny because I love that. I love that, Like no, I'm I'm like ignorant to

my own talent comedy. Yeah, it's so good. It's just so stocked. But like when someone can really fucking nail it, and my god, Sutton Foster is she's believable. Like wow, I just I can't think of like it was in the same room. But I will regularly watch seven Foster's rehearsal if anything goes Yeah, she's where she just fucking tap dances for ten minutes straight. Um Cole, uh what about you? Um? Ellen Green a Little Shop concert at

City Center because did you guys see it? No? I didn't see it, but like I mean like talk about like ovation for like every line reading, and she was like ripping her heart out, everyone's hearts out. Like the whole audience was like respectful, reverential and and gagging and gagging. He was great. He was good enough, but not like competing, and it was like he let her like have all

her moments like she would like she would. She would take ten minutes for one word, and the whole audience would be like, take take your time, your time, and that's amazing. Yeah, it was like it was one of those things where like I had to like instead of going to the closest train, I was like, I'm gonna walk like a few stops because I got to this out let this think in. But every time I've seen Beyonce I walked after. I was like, I gotta walk that, but I take it. What was so fucking crazy. Yeah,

so that was my go too. And now I'm blanking them like a theatrical performance. But we'll get back to her. Well. You know, I actually saw Patty in Gypsy Too and Gypsy to Gypsy or Mama's Revenge Revenge, But I saw her do like a matinee of the show, and I was in the way back and I think she marked her ship, but I don't know not to come for Patty.

She fucking is amazing, but she is marking no. But and you know what it was like ones day where she had to do the show again later, and I think I might have gotten like the reserved version of Mama. And also, I have to be honest, like from a young age, I probably every single day watched the Bernade Peters Tony Awards performance, and that is, to me, one of the best performances ever. Have you seen the clips

of Angela doing it? No, there's like clips, like, of course they didn't have that, like the technology to like film the whole thing secretly then, but there are like enough clips. There's a clip of her roses turn like the tail end of it, and it's like, we'll put it on the website. Put on the website the way back to Bed. That's pretty iconic too. Yeah. Yeah, for me, it's like, um, Patty unfortunately fifth place, fourth place, Um, I give it to Bed, third place, emmel To Staunton

second place, Burnadette first place. Chris Colfer on Glee, The definitive roses turn leave is Emelda is is peasant? Is very Oh my god. Someone before before the performance started, someone said, Emelda, here's your inspiration dog food And she's like, Okay, she's disgusting. I hate all her choices. She's cheap and she's vulgar. Okay, so did you just see the performance of Roses Turned or did you just see did you I saw the whole thing? You didn't? Well because it

was they filmed it um and it's awful. Here's yeah, well she's she's awful. She's Did you like Vera Drake? I did, but again that's a common woman. Did you know she plays a peasant. She's a peasant. She was the perfect Unbridge Harry Potter your she was an incredible Unbridge and not I missed the boat on hair worries, but she was great. I was just the wrong age. I have a question for you. Cole school was going on vacation. Where do you go? What do you do?

You know it's my dream too. I've never really taken myself on a vacation. I want to go to Switzerland. Oh great. I want to just be in the mountains and go on the balcony and have my coffee every morning and look at the Alps, you look at the opps Land and Zurich and just just have fun. Yeah. I want to go down to the desk and be like, can you recommend a nice place for lunch? And they and then I walk there and I passed a farm with some cows. The win of Europe is very bad.

It's like, where should I go? And while I'm getting there, I'm gonna stop and enjoy because you know what, I'm in a place I'm almost I'm almost too young for the trip I want to take, like I want very much like um a Geraldine Page tripped a bound a full moment. You know, yes, I do like just like arms crossed, lace gloves. You know, have you ever been to Disney World? I haven't, but I have. I recently went to Disneyland. I'm happy that you know how the

different it is. I do know how different it is. Um. It was smaller than I remembered it because I went as a twelve year old and it was a lot less antique. Yeah, antique. Twelve was an interesting age to go for the first time. Well, I was obsessed with Disney when I was a child. That was another like

gay culture thing I love, but I loved like. I would stay up and watch Vault Disney, which was the Disney channel at eleven PM, would show all their old It was like Nick at Night, but for the Disney Channel. So I would watch all those in net Funicello, Hayley Mills movies and so um. Anyway, I was so excited to be in Disneyland when I was twelve and um like had like got a picture with every princess. Um wore the same Disneyland sweatshirt like every day. Yeah, it's

a thing. It's a different thing when you're obviously and this is it, I think, so um yeah, I'm still get for it. Cool. I would I would encourage you to mind about disney World Okay, not even disney World Universal Studios okay, because you, I think would appreciate Harry Potter World even though I love a world and then you can get your worlds. Yeah, I love I love a different like put me in it. I remember I went to flint Stone Land when I was little. Oh yeah,

this was in Canada. We had relatives there and it was one of the more traumatizing memories because I we were on the bus. There were no characters about except for when we were on this bus going around. I saw Betty rubble out like taking photos. I think you're gonna say, smoking a cigarette on a cigarette No, but um, I really wanted but they wouldn't stop the bus for me to get off, and then I was crying and then the bus driver like made a joke about it

and everyone laughed at me. That motherfucker that sucks. Did you feel something changed inside you and then you were gay? No? I felt I felt like I felt like that moment everyone was telling me, like, you're gay. You need to pull it back. When you flash back to those moments when you realize, oh wait, that thing that I remember that was traumatizing, there was a there was a your

gay element. Yeah. Yeah, it was like it was like we don't talk about that, Like you can like Betty Rubble at home, but when you're out, you like Fred Okay. I sat on Santa's lap and asked for a barbie and he said, you want what you want to barbie.

Boys don't get barbies. Santa Claus said that to me, Oh my god, do you remember when McDonald's would have hot wheels and barbies and you would have to go through the drive through and be like, mom um, I want the girl toy and then and then your mom would have to be like, can we get one happy with the boy toy and one with the girl toy? And just like act like that was like an accident somehow like what mom but talking about? And I guess I mean I have a few of the other ones.

So yeah, I already have my sister who doesn't exist exactly. Oh my god, our moms were our original hags. Yeah, yeah, I didn Um, okay, so we do have to take a quick break. Um, and then we're gonna be right back and we're gonna talk more about food because we didn't even start, we didn't start to break the surface. Um, we'll be right back with color school, bitch. I hope that you're sitting down at this moment, yes, because I'm beout to give you something. It's a little bit of

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Betty or a Joan? Because I know who I am? Well, you know what? Um, oh my god, this is so hard. How much time to a ten seconds? Oh god? I

mean Betty Betty? But there are so many things about Joan that like, are so much more fascinating because she, honestly, she's a more interesting character because she is so self conscious and so like self hating and so scared that every reason, for every reason, and and there's so many more facets to that than Betty, who's just like always like she came out of the womb who she was, you know, always brash, always, Yeah, do you have a very positive opinion of the show. Yes, yeah, I'm loving it.

I'm loving it. I'm sort of like I feel like we um are like it was a mistake, Like how did Like there's like there's too many stars aligned right right, like like why do we get this? Like this isn't like like I feel like we we're gonna like be taxed at the end of the year when yeah, remember when you had to check gay last year. Well, this year you're being you're paying for it, and you know what, I'm fine. I would pay for that if that's where my tax money is going to. Yeah, yeah, it's fine.

Like I trusted him with my money more than maybe anyone else. Yeah. Um, I'm really obsessed with it and I'm loving it, and I really it was very hard, but I'm sucking living for surrandom in this Surrandon's great and drove me nuts during the elections, but a man, she's I think she's perfectly suited to me too. God damnit, Joan you good? Yeah, wow, solid impression. Yeah when you're good, Joan, God damn it, jo good. Jessica Lange had this really funny line reading in this last one, and I can't

remember the exact words. I remember the weird word choice she made, but it was like where she was slamming her dressing room door, it was some line about how Glorious Swanson deserved It wasn't you who was robbed the nineteen six two, It was Gloria Swanson. No, but and

then she goes it was Gloria Swanson you bed. It was that weird inflection, honestly, And also just like everything about the show, it's just like drenched in like authentic like set design, the art direction's fabulous, it really is. And also all the supporting cast act do we need do we can? We talk about Katherine Zada Jones and Kathy Bases. We're the worst part of the show. I think we don't need we don't need them because all they do is tell us what just happened and like

what's about to happen. But to be fair, to be fair, I'm twoes two episodes behind. But I feel like it's like they don't do anything different, and also that it's not it's not driving anything, but I think it's I think it's also just a nice stylistic choice of Ryan Murphy to be like, Okay, well, then there's just like frame,

like it's it's like a pretty little lie. It's like a big little lies where it's where it's like the interview the towns people, it's like you don't mean it, but it's also like a nice framing device that is not totally functional, but that is functional, like the framing device and Big Little Lies is like it's like it's like but it's also functional because it's a police investigation, so it's real where this is like a documentary about

them then because they're the same age and that's what happened. Also, they're both so bad. Yeah I think she's so bad. Yeah, yeah, she's so she's and I think she's really talented. Like I've lived for her in Chicago, and I've lived for her so many times. She's so bad in this part, and so is Kathy Bates. And also Kathy Bates killed in um like con Covin, and like she's killed so many times in her career. But she's not always good in these the Ryan Murphy shows, Oh god, that can.

I mean, maybe the best thing that we've ever gotten from Ryan Murphy is Kathy Bates's accent in Philadelphia Czar a show where he just replicates that healthy accent. Um know, the worst part of Feud is Kiernan Ship. She's not the worst part, absolutely, she's the worst part. She's like just yeah, she's just too you just don't like her as an actress. She she's overcamping it. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's that, but it's like it's not it's not a match with But this last episode I think was the

best episode yet. Um So I agree because now that the filming of Baby Jane is over, like this is the actual like now it's where, I guess really interesting because so basically for those that I watched on the show are like just to where we're at right now.

If you're listening to it at a at a certain time like in the series, right now filming is over, they just well the end of the episode and is like Joan Crawford finds out she was not nominated for Best Actress and historically yes, Betty Davis was, and that's gonna happen. That's gonna lead to a certain event happening. That's like what this whole thing is about. But it's

so fascinating Joan Crawford. She couldn't enjoy success. She was someone who constantly almost like out of fear, like would rather live in a place of failure and self hatred despite the fact that this was a huge success, Like she gets this taste of happy when the fans are

really enjoying it and it's this like camp success. But then when the actual critics post their reviews and like give their notices, Betty Davis gets all the love and all the attention, and Joan Crawford is like, you know, when they're screening the movie and then and then Joan comes out of the theater and everyone's like, it's Joan, It's Joan Crawford. I cried. I cried, I cried. I was like, well, then Ryan, it was. It was amazing.

But then just like what an amazing character examination like, and I'm it's now kind of like it feels like, yes, the more interesting story is happening with Joan Crawford, because I think she was just a more fascinating, harder to crack person, And I'm wondering if he's going to try to like push those stakes up a little bit with the Betty Davis character as well, because we really haven't

seen her like struggle. In fact, it's very easy to be on her side because you get that Betty Davis just wanted to go there and do the work and creative peace, um, which is easier to sympathize with. And I'm wondering if now we're going to see the kind of Joan Crawford like the Mastermind, like and we're going to really feel for Betty and then when when what happens happened? Right? Oh yeah, yeah, but we'll see. I think the show is fabulous. It's suspiciously good. It's what

Coal was saying, it's suspiciously good. Yeah, I'm I'm never on board for rhein M. I feel like like we are like like putting on our mom's dresses and at any moment she's going to come in and be like, yeah, what's doing Never, we're gonna have to explain ourselves, Like someone's going to come in and be like, what is this show? And we're gonna have to be like, it's nothing.

We were just playing around with your actresses. We're sorry, like you can have them back her line reading she's I think Jessica lying is killing it, just like and also when Betty Davis goes, god damnit, Joan, you good? And then John Cofford goes really think so and it's like yeah. On YouTube there is Joan Crawford reading her autobiography My Way of Life, which is sort of like a how to guide of like how to live, like the original Blake Lively, g One of Paltrow, exactly the

group of that time. And you should I highly recommend going on to YouTube and searching Joan Crawford My Way of Life. We'll put it on the box, put it on the block. It's gonna be a rich post exists. Yeah, yeah, you should. You should have a tumbler and post related pick. Well, you know, we should have was a fucking Facebook page. We didn't even have that. We need to get that ship together. And I made one a few months ago when I was drunk, and there's three people who like

it anyway. Okay, well I didn't know what exists? Yeah, um who knows? Okay, So okay, So Joan Crawford has this, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just it's just you're just talking about You're just giving a signal boost. Yes, so whatever happened to baby? Did like one of your faves? Actually not really, what did you like? I Mildred? I do like Mildred, But I actually prefer jones earlier stuff where she was like young and hungry and played like I. I recently went into a place where I was watching

her silent movies, like are Dancing Daughters? Is this one where she plays like a flapper and and they're all about like how she's a flapper and has this immoral life style and everyone looks down on her, and then she makes some grave sacrifice and ends up like giving up the man she loves because she doesn't want him to marry a marked woman because she like was engaged to someone else. So, um, I'm sorry, Yeah, some some

deep stories. Well yeah, they you know, this was before the Haze code where they were you know, you know all these I don't know how old the fan bases out there, but there was something in the in the in their thirties and the later thirties on code, and that's when movies had to like to a moral standard and like bad guys had to have their come up ins, which is why in movies like The Letter Um the Betty Davis movie, in the play version, she gets away with the murder, but in in the movie like she

has to pay for it at the very end. So do you think that like this was like you got you got really like kind of obsessed with these kind of movies And it absolutely definitely informed like the kind

of characters you play in the work you see. I feel the same because, like I find that the kind of character that I gravitate towards her, like some people, like like girls that I idolized growing up, which was like honestly like Alicia Silverstone, Like I'm from Long Island, so I saw her and I was like, yeah, what's

the deal with that? I was like what there? Like, yeah, like hot young girls like in like in high school that took themselves so seriously, Like that never stopped being fascinated to me, and that really shows up still on the stuff that I do. So it's fascinating to hear that, Like that's like a real oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you you drop back to that you intrapolate or whatever, like you you imprint on something at a young age and it never really goes away. I mean, I mean Cole

Cole is the pre eminent master of that. I agree. You also do that theater director character. Oh Diane, Diane, did you ever know Liz Suados? Have you ever heard of her. I've heard that name. Yeah, she was a theater director. She passed away a couple of years ago, but that I worked with her, and I thought, oh my god, I wanted he knows Liz Suados because she was like a la mama, like real presence like on the in the downtown, like um, you know, lowery side.

Like she wrote the show Runaways. It was a Tony nominated back in the day, and she kind of like ended up working with young kids and like just the way that you behave is that character is Liz down to the wig that like kind of like stringy, stringy, like blacked out like like like kind of like I don't care about this, but of course I do, like I know exactly the way I look, but like you

don't think. So yeah. She started based on like and every you know, like community theater elders that like that just were so full of lore and like you were there for it and like and and like that's what can happen if you don't put your prop down in the right place, like and just like telling you these stories as if they were like ghost stories, like just you know, like but then but the lore meanwhile was like not even that, no, no, no, no. It was always like and if you don't we did not have

the basket of grapes for our town Square sequence, and I kid you not. We had six actors out there that we're all looking at each other, what what are we doing? But what you don't know is the audience is looking to you for what to do and you're like, oh, okay, like you just and they didn't feel safe right therefore, Yeah, yeah, that's so real. Also, ill never forget a character you

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UM owner. I guess and you can correct me, of the Jennifer Convertibles Empire, and she saw she she she ends up like solving this like plot to like I guess kill her and the and the last line is but Jennifer, Oh it was right, like it was someone what I thought was it was Ashley Home furniture had come to kill me, but it turned out to be and I put it well, it was like Kia, I put the pieces together myself back honestly, probably that Ato's pub Yeah, I would be very happy. Also, wait then

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I think I've heard of them. It was like two actors that would put a show on in a week, um rehearse and then the shows would be on the weekends and um. Up until I was like twelve, I I did those shows every year. UM. And I would cry every time the act the professional actors left town because they became like a little I was like, there goes the only thing that made me happy all year, you know, And where are they now? Where are they now still doing it? Doing it still? Rapunzel Hansel and Gretel.

I mean, and then you know community theater of course, high school theater. What role? Okay, have you talked about this in previously. I'm happy to rehash roles roles in high schools. See, I actually didn't perform until I was in college. Really yeah, I didn't. I didn't you show choir chuir nothing. I was very deeply in the closet and I did. I did track and feel across country. But this is the remark for you that man is

that once that once he was liberated into that sphere. Uh, it's just this depth of knowledge just walked into place. I was always sitting there, like doing my research, like when I was, when I was, when I was closed. I don't even know how to describe that in like a cool way, but like I was never into like the second I got to be by myself, I was

like listening to like Margaret Show's stand up albums. So it was like I was a single white female, like single white gay male, like like you were just wait, you were like stalking the version of yourself you wanted exactly exactly. I mean, like it was it was very that it was like you know, one day I'll be able to tell someone that I have this Sandra Bernhardt album memorized, but until then I can't be funny. Is the reason I came out is because I wanted to

rent Queer as Folk from Hollywood Video um. And then I also wanted to buy Judy Garland's Carnegie Hall album, like I had other albums of hers. But I was like, for some reason in my head, I was like, if I buy the Carnegie Hall album, people will know I'm gay. Yeah, So I just have to come out and then I can get those two things. Yeah, and those kind of

things like that doesn't go away. Like every now and then I'll just be like I'll find like this little creeping thing in my brain where it's like, oh, well, don't say that too gay to say right now, And it's like, oh wow, but that's what I want to say.

And you know what, there are a lot of people who don't think at all like with that right that that comes up for me, Like when I'm dealing with cashiers that are like straight guys, I find myself being like, nope, that's yet, deepening your voice normal, like as few syllables as possible, Like I call every straight man brother, thank you. It's really good to see your brother do it all the time. And you know what, I hate myself all the time. You know who I do it with all

the time? Friend just In yea who I love. I've worked with for several years. And Cole's good friends with He's like a you know, beautiful straight boy and like he's become a good friend. Um, and I'll just be like, dude, bro, yeah that's you know what, that's a friend of the show. Friend of the show. Guy brandam His said of Matt Rodgers, he's a beautiful product of Long Island masculinity. But he's now the most the most musical theater of fags, which

is just the entire art. I'll take it. It's always what I've always wanted to be. Yeah, you go, wow, I tried to get guys, but you did theater. Did theater? What were your roles? And I've I've I've watched through this before and it's very closely tied to the musical theater director at my high school was the dance teacher. Meanwhile, the straight plays were directed by the drama teacher. But the dance teacher came in every year, um and had a great relationship with her at first, but she had

this image. She just thought I was this like huge diva because I made the mistake of freshman year when I auditioned for the musical, which was Once Upon a Mattress. You said only this role? Yeah, yep, I said, I said no understudy because I thought, like the first time editioning for anything, I was like, I don't want to write. I want to just show that I want to be

a part of the actual cast. And I thought that was like a bad mark to say that you were willing to be an understand like I just did not have right the working knowledge to know what I was doing. A miscommunication exactly. And so she pulled me aside after the audition freshman year she was like, hey, so you know, and she explained it to me as well she could. But that stayed with her. And so then sophomore ye was crazy for you Gershman. Jake just did col cores

part in that as well. And then junior year was Barnum, which is a ship show, like a terrible show, and um my IB program kicked into gear that that year, which is just this like intense academic thing like a classes. Sure. Yeah, and so uh, just she thought I wasn't committing enough to the show, asked me to leave. And then my choir teacher was like trying to like just rebuild that bridge. Wow, and he was like you should go and talk to her. And I was like okay, and I said us on

Duel's episode. The onus was not on me as a seventeen year old. Nothing back. It was never right. It's completely the right way to deal with kids, right. No. And so then I had to like set up a meeting with her, sit down in her office, just you know, grovel basically, and she took that well. And then conveniently enough, senior year was and she passed away the office. She passed. It was anything goes, anything goes for you, father, I was, yeah, yep, I was. I was the Chinese Stoe and um it

was awful. Wait he's he's he's the character Chinese well in so in certain adapt so in certain renditions, yeah, I mean yeah, I've never seen anything goes okay. Yeah, So so, um, I just know it's not the father, but I'm thinking of Burt Lar, the Joel Gray part right right now. So so Joel Gray's part. Yeah, So the other has these two Asian stow aways God, and just had to like just put on the accent and

it was just the worst. That's just and that was like that was like my reward for making amends with her, and it was just still we're going back there tomorrow. Back there tomorrow, I me drills upus to two the artist. Isn't that crazy? Like I would have killed to just have like even had like just like a measure in

a fucking song, you know. Like anyway the way that like they those teachers play politics with kids, it's like we get that your lives are like not always like as big as you wanted them to be, right this, Yeah, yeah, I get that you're running this like combustion engine of like ambition and whatever for kids, and like you want to like get that started early. But like the way that it was specifically and I'm just not acting at the victim here, but like just was totally it's supposed

to be fun. Now I'm supposed to know what. It's show business. It's not fun friendship, it's busy. I actually now now that I remember, I did do one play when I was in sixth grade, so and it was like a lot of people did it. It wasn't this thing where I'm like, I'm interested in the arts. It

was like we're all doing this. Um so I played like a pirate in Peter Pan and um this girl Alicia one day, who I had been really good friends with him, he had messed around a lot, because that's what all It was like us messing around, like kind of being on our places, kind of knowing our lines, whatever. And one day she turned to me and she said, you don't take this seriously. And honestly, I don't want to be associated with someone who's not taking this seriously.

And if you don't take theater seriously, then you really shouldn't be in theater club and you probably should quite bring her up. I don't know. But the thing is like, it's just funny now that I did that show at that moment, did because I was like, oh wow, I'm so panicked in a way that she doesn't even understand. And for her to come for me in this way, like it was so much for me to even have friends and be there, and for her to come from me in this way, it's like so crazy. Oh my god,

you're crying having such a hard time living. Waitum, speaking of moments, this is just one addendem alad to this whole. Her name was miss Wed, the dance teacher. Miss Wed saga. My moment for me that that's like, that is um I approached her. I approached her junior year, and I was like a little salty about still getting a course part which is a little bit, which was a little division. I'm sure it was more salty than you're remembering too,

but sure so. Then I so then so then like she had like pulled me aside and wanted to talk to me about it. She was like, I don't know if your attitudes right, and again again this is monstrous of her. But then the moment was she this, uh, this other kid, Brian Black was there. He's this great performer. I think he's still acting. Now. She goes, the reason you're I can't believe she said this. The reason you're in a correst roll is because and she points to Brian.

She goes, because he is able to go into the audition room and be a polished performer and you still need to figure that out. Oh my god. And I was like, you're like literally a baby. I'm sixteen anyway. Cole High School rules for you, I mean theater rules for yes, that just you know Marius Seymour, Marius is great, Matt and the Fantastics. I was the only like guy that did theater that could sing Yeah, but I didn't want to play I wanted you know, I wanted to

play that character. Yeah exactly, Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's what a fun what a fun little stroll nugget. Can we talk quickly about big Little Lies because you guys, this is going to be the first step. By the time you guys hear this, big Little Eyes will be over. But it's given me my entire life. Yeah. Yeah, I've seen only seen the first two, but you guys, oh my god. So it's it took it took a long time for me to get on board with it, but I'm fully on board. I think about it. I thought

about it a lot today. Reason is like very much, my my, my, my spirit guide. She's she's back. She's back. Producer Alex and I were talking about this earlier. It's he thinks it's her best performance. I think it's maybe her best performance in her career. And that is saying something when you actually take a second to remember that she's giving you some gold. This is this is coming,

this is stacking up. Yeah, this is like beating out fucking Tracy, you know, and and and because it's it's like all of her most iconic roles literally rolled in. It's like Tracy flicking Ellwood's if they had like grown up. It's like that like determination to to get whatever she wants of Tracy Flick. It's that like um privileged send like bitching. It's like of l Woods. And there's this like like really like the shades of darkness she kind of and then like and then like honestly, her like

regional specificity is pretty on point too. I guess you could point that to walk the line, but like you just believe it so much regional specificity, that's what we wanted an actor. I'm sorry, We're going with someone with a little more regional specificity. Absolutely, and I literally I don't mean more than exactly that, no, I know, yeah, yeah, but I love that, like like she you just weren't a regionally specifically other people. That's like a real way

to dance around. But I I fucking love Reese. I mean, there's a monologue in episode six. Oh it's because you just see it. It's the monologue she gives to her daughter. I can tell you how she's made a mistake. I was like in it, I was like, you're going to live. I was about to fork some pad time in my mouth and then she starts the model when you put it down, I just froze. I was like, I cried and just mouth a gape. Was like, oh my god. It was some of the best things I've ever seen.

Do you have to eat while you watch TV? I have to eat while I watched TV. Well, I'm usually I'm enjoying myself, so it's like, yeah, I mean, I feel like I can't enjoy television or food unless they're together. Like when when when it comes on? Like this past weekend, I was I looked at the clock and it was fifty and I was like, oh my god, I haven't heated anything up. But I was like frantic that I needed to have food in front of me in time.

That was opening credits. Yeah, it's so true. It's so true. I feel like, is that specific to our region? Do you think? Honestly? The title of the episode of regional specificity? Um, so, basically, wait, do you eat when you're in the movie? Theater, though I almost always get popping corn no, because then all I can think about is the popcorn. I can't really focus with that. It's just like I love well, I'm worried.

It's do you ever hear Jacqueline Novak's like um um routine about sharing pizza because she's just like got her eye on, like how many pieces? Everyone's happy. All I'm thinking about is like, is there going to be popcorn when I want it? Or is like someone else going to finish? And always yeah, But then if you get your own often what happens is like someone will be like, no, I don't want any, and then you get popcorn, and then they're like reaching over. Matt's the person getting the popcorn.

I'm the person who says he doesn't need it. Yeah, and then and then you eat it, and then you get I mean, we're about to go see Power Rangers tonight, and I will get myself. I'm getting biggest soda. You're getting my own food tonight. Don't worry. But Matt does a very bad job of hiding his spite, which is I don't play an I'm not a good share me neither. I'm making share with Henry but I'm not a good share with anyone. I'm not a good share with anyone,

even people that I'm in love with. There you go, I have yeah. Yeah, do you have siblings too? I always had to share with my brother and now that younger brother. Yeah okay, so yeah, So did you always win the games that you would play? No? See we we. Chelsea and I played pretend all the time, and I would always win. I was like that kind of desertion. I was the kid who always got more as the younger child, and my sister sort of just built up this.

Just internalize that a lot. Um. That's really interesting. But I'm just gonna ask you about movies versus watching TV. Is it an environmental thing or is it? Does it have to do with the food. It's just environmental, Like I if I watch a movie at home, then I also enjoy eating during that. But if someone else is there with you, like, are you worried about someone reaching over for the bowl of like or something. I don't like watching things with other people. Great, Yeah I feel

the same way. Yeah, Like when people are like I love watching RuPaul's Drag Grace and a bar full of Gaze, I'm like, no, yeah, I don't prefer you. Well I can. I get, I respect and get why people say that I have the receipts. I think you've been quoted saying that you don't like to go to bars. I don't prefer to go to bars, or that you don't like it's not it's fun watching it alone. No, that's you're thinking of Joel. But you agree emphatically agreed with him.

I think that I think that there are benefits to watching it with everyone, but also the I also said, and this is true. I mean, routinely, I'll just watch RuPaul's Draggers every episode like three or four times, so watching one set of bar because everyone's there, once probably with Henry, once by myself, and then once later on in the week when someone says they haven't seen it, and I stop everything and what we're doing, and we watch it, you know what I mean. And it's fine.

It's fun for me every ting. Okay, I'm speaking of RuPauls Cole. You watching this season. I haven't watched this last episode because wait, is it online? Now? You can watch it online? Well, this is like a controversy now because it used to be you could stream it right after on Logo TV dot com, but now it's airing on one. So do you have Amazon Prime? No? But yeah I do, so then just maybe by this season. Oh but I also have Slings, so I have v H one, but I can only watch it live, right,

so you're gonna I think. What's happening is they're doing the new episodes on v H one and the reruns are airing on Logo. Okay, oh so maybe I can catch on Logo. I don't know if I have a Logo. I don't know. It's all as it used to be so easy because it would be on Logo TV dot com, but now it's not. Yeah, maybe it's on Netflix. It's not. It's not. Definitely gonna know. They should do a better job of getting out there. It's on fucking Friday nights now,

a time of recording. Guys. Um, we're only after, we're only pasted the first episode, one episode, and you know we'll see hopefully, hopefully it's it's promising. Okay, let's me watch. I don't think so, let's do a I don't think so, honey, So here we go. Um, first of all, you guys, thank you for making the live show. I don't think so, honey. Umscot Races Live at Little Field such a success. It was so fun. There was so many people there. It was it was I did it was so fun that,

you know, with all those fucking it was fifty fucking comedians. Yeah, it was a real blast. And I mean being in the back in the back room and just like really feel realizing who all was there. It was just very cool. It was. It was a great So thanks guys for coming out to that. And also you can listen to the live episodes on iTunes and all the platforms that were on and you know, like in subscribe and all that. Uh, guys,

I don't think so, honey. Is sixty seconds to rail against something in culture that's you know, just we feel, you know, just offending us and it's our time to get it back, take back the narrative on these things. And so, um, what do you think bone, Do you want to go first or first? Do you have something prepared? I have something loosely prepared, Okay, I have something kind of specific prepared. Okay, let's go. So this is Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey, and his time starts

right now. I don't think so many standpipes on the fucking sidewalks of New York City, Honey. I was walking down Lafayette. A man was barreling towards me, so I side stepped him so that he could get out of his way. And as I side stepped him and stepped forward, I grazed my shin on a standpipe and it cut to my jeans and I had a sort of it scratched me and slashed me pretty deeply. Oh God, So I spend the whole trade riding home with a fucking open torn gene like, honey, I don't think so, honey.

And I thought I had tetanus, bitch, and I had a scheduled doctor's appointment and I had to go and the doctor visually diagnosed me and looking in the eyes and talk to me like it was a fucking idiot and said, no, you don't have tetanus. It has to be a deeper wound than that. And so I don't think so, honey. Stampipes are making me feel like like a like a stupid hypochondrias. I don't think so, honey, Miney doctors just being very condescending with their visual diagnoses,

because can they really be a hundred percent sure. I don't think so honey. I don't think so honey doctors who think that their eyes are a fucking assay of a condition. Because I don't think so honey, you do not. You did not. I don't care if you sings. I don't think so honey. Stampipes on the sidebouck of New York City. I don't think so honey for hurting me and my reputation in the in the medical community. Don't think. Wow,

that was loaded. You had something to say. I had a lot of messages there, and you know what, I think, I kneled all of them. Nothing better than feeling good about the way you've spoken out. And I got a little more, got a little marble mounts at the end. But that's okay. I just want to say, originally I was gonna do my I don't think so honey about Sunset Boulevard. Let's just say this right now up front. I've changed my mind. Um, but I don't think so

honey Sunset Boulevard. It's not actually a good show. Glen Close is good in it, but Andrew led Weber. I'm sorry, honey, You're sorry. I was kind of a mess. Okay, but I have I don't think so, honey. Okay, this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey. One minute, time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Myself. Today it is Tuesday. You went to lunch in order to plenty Mary's that we're ten dollars each. You don't have the money for that, bitch. I don't think so, honey. And

well then you got immediately home and smoke. We didn't play video games. Bitch. You're on a deadline and you know this. I don't think so, honey. Bitch, you have gone out to eat so many times in the past four days. And I know your anniversary to your boyfriend Henry of two years was two days ago. But bitch, stop celebrating yourself. You're just elongating this and you're just

hurting yourself. Bitch. I don't think so, honey. I know that food is good, but you know what, take some of your time, take some of your energy, use it towards creating an accruing more money so you can go out for a nice dinner other times spread throughout the week. Because guess what, bitch, A when you go out for a nice dinner and the food is good, it doesn't. It loses its meaning after this amount of volume times, so just do it for yourself. Also, be bitch again

you do not have the money. You have less in your bank account, and bitch, you need to be more frugal, bitch. Fruit hashtag frugal bitch, that's what frugal bitch. That's historic. Never hasn't. I don't think so, honey, been um, Has there been an auto? I don't think. In an introspective, I don't think so, honey, Cole, are you ready? I think so? Okay, all right, this is Cole of Schless.

I don't think so, honey. One minute on the clock, Matt sneezing, alright, I don't think so, honey, time starts now. I don't think so, honey. The writer's strike w g A writer's strike. Look, I'm all four unions. I saw sally Field and Glass Menagerie, Norma Ray Unions. Yes, yes, yes, but whoever they're striking against. And frankly, it's not my job to figure that out. Go on Twitter figure it out. But the w g A, I got my notes in front of me. They're they're looking for streaming media residuals,

and and changes to pension and health plans. And now there's going to be a strike. Will let me tell you what happened the last time there was a writer strike. Last time there was a writer strike, reality TV came into fashion. What happened with reality tv? Donald Trump? Do you know who's our president? President? Now? I don't. That's not that's not a rhetorical question. It's not up to me to know. No, no, So I don't think so, honey,

writers strike. It needs to get figured out. And I mean, like too sweet, because bitch, I will run for office and I will run as a Republican and I will win and I will got this fucking country. I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. I would vote for you in a hard bank, would not vote down party log party lines. I would jump ship from my low point to oh my god. Honestly, I'm scared about the writer strike because we're such a good I mean, like but also like if they have good points, then

they do. But like who it's the I think everyone should just tweet at like whoever it is. They're striking against what they want, they deserve it, just give it to them it's like the association of of of assholes, assass holes of the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers. So go on Twitter at a m P t h P, a m P t P a m P t P and just like start harassing them. I didn't invent which hunt culture, but I know how to use that. And

it's time. Unless you want me as president, there you go. Sorry, it is my name. Um yeah, I mean everyone get out there and let's get out the vote. Let's get this sorted out. Okay, let's do things right at this time. What was the one good thing that came out of the two thousand seven writers strike. I'm trying to thank Survivorum. You know what, there was a lot of bad things, Like a lot of a lot of really promising shows were dead in the water after that. It ruined lost interesting. Um,

it ruined a lot of shows. It made a lot of shows very confused and bad. That was like when network shows were big. I feel like now it's like with with cable shows being big, it's not going to really interrupt the quality of shows too much because they can just say, Okay, we'll take a break and later on we'll resume this and it'll be fine. But with network shows being big at that time, like order, it really kind of disturbed the narrative of a lot of shows.

And I remember like when shows came back, they were different, episode orders were weird, you know what. You know what. I think the writers strike kind of helped with with um, this is the series. I think the writer stretches helped with was great because the second half of season four of Gray's Anatomy was very interesting. Did we get kid Nation from from the writer strike? Was that born during

the writer's strike? Not sure, you're no, but you're I don't know, but you're a percent right about the kind of rise of reality because they had already reared its head, like American I had already become number one, and Survivor started everything and whatever. And then when there was an absence of those shows. It's true, when all those shows came in, I think that might have been being planted right now. And I this is like a Malcolm Gladwell

asked spository topic right here. That's that's amazing. Thank you, Cole, You're welcome. Wow, Well, this has been a great episode of There's been so much culture brought to the forefront. Absolutely and thank you so much. Cole, thank you. I love you. I love this show so much. Totally an icon to us, I mean and again like just you're so you. It's it is your honor to see Cola School of perform Absolutely, so you should all go to the show on Dreune fourteen, June fourteen. Help help, I'm

stuck that title. Thanks. You gotta go fabulous where people find you on social media at Cola Scola. He got he got it. I got it. He got it because I tried to get at Cola Scola. Guys, thank you so much. My name is Matt Rod. My name Bye bye. This has been a Forever Dog production executive produced by Joe Cilio, Alex Ramsay, and Brett Boum. For more podcasts, please visit Forever Dog Productions dot com. Do