"Off Book, On The Record" (w/ Cody Rigsby)

your world in your mind? Do you know who I just saw a picture of and I got so horny Sean Williams Scott no but close but not Adrian Brody, No man. And then that brought me to I don't our guest is giving anti energy. But that brought me to this, who is the weirdest celebrity that makes you horned up? Like the fact that you're like that, like when you get horny for them, You're like what? Because

for me it is Adrian Brodie? Not now, this is like an old picture of Adrian Brody when he was I guess, like all top, Yeah, I don't know the weirdest I don't I don't really go for I don't go for weird necessarily if we're just we're does disqualifying sometimes, do you know what I mean, especially if it's a help I guess I mean like most most unusual, like oh, I'm funny for him? What a shop? I don't know.

I think I think you know what it is. I think we as a generation have been either traumatized or shaped by or I mean maybe there's they're the same thing by like the Tom Green of it all. I think Tom really fucked us up. And then only half of us love weird and half of us hate it. I think I'm in the last. So you think that our generation had Tom Green sort of come into the cultural an example, I'm not putting the blame on him.

Yeah it was. That was to Adreen Brodie. Did you know one of the people who is never allowed to come back to us? And I knew you would say this. Yes, he decided to do a Rastafarian intro for the musical guest. I forgot who was for, but he dressed in I believe it was either Shaggy or Sean Paul. It was Sean Paul. Oh, and then he was decided to do like dreads and and all that stuff. He said. He said, let me come out of appropriate real quick. Listen, how are you feeling? Do you do you have jet lag

from Cromatica. I do have jet leg from Caromatica and from landing in the Denver International Airport to see my parents and my nieces Nice Slay, and I just have to say that, oh my god, this is a crazy week, but I would love to get into it with our guests. Honestly, did our guest journey to Cromatica? Our guest did journey to Kromatica? First of all, Oh my god, this is gonna be one hell of an app I feel like I run into our guests at very faithful moments this year.

Faithful moments. It's been those sort of moments where like you're like lit in the sun and you sort of whip around and turn and you see someone else very well lit in the sun, and you're like, oh my god. I just feels so faithful I was, and chances to see the giest I think I would love to ask our guests about because he has very publicly known opinions

about Taylor Swift. I don't know if this is the platform where he wants he should talk about them, because we do have we did somehow, we did somehow pulling a swifty listenership, oh for sure, against all odds. And I don't think I don't actually want to put him in that position, and we might we might just cut this out entirely. You know what. Here's here's what I'll

say about this episode. There's gonna be a lot of opinions stated about the girls because also the readers are very the readers are very upset with us that we haven't even said the word renaissance on this podcast for three weeks in a row, and it must it stopped here. Unique, you won't break your soul. Unique, But no one knows.

The readers don't understand that we actually were waiting for the Queen's remix to come out to comment that's remix, and we're honestly waiting for the visuals to come out first. That's that's the that's the realty, is that we want the visuals to come out so that we want to like actually do a holistic thing about Act one. I am so happy to talk about all of the girls with our guests. Our guest is, you know, one of the girls, really one of the girls really this term

has been thrown around a little bit. Third host energy. Oh hell yeah, third host energy. Not to put the pressure, not to put the pressure on the guest. Well, now the guest better absolutely fucking bring it because to come up here and say third co host energy. And we've only been chatting for minutes off Mike because peek behind the curtain, we did chat before, chat before in the vestibule. I think our guest is at this point a pop

culture icon. It's true, and someone who someone who you see and it's like what you're saying, Like I saw him at multiple points this year and it was like it was glamorous, was giving, like wait, how did you find your lighting? Because because because I turned and I see him, I'm like, oh my god. I saw him either night at the X and I literally walk in

to take a little piss and I turned around. I whip around and I see our guests just holding court but lit in the night in the Williamsburg night, and I go, uh, and it was lovely. He did compliment my skin. It horse met horse me does step look it's because your skin has been looking insane And I've actually said it on this podcast. It's it's it's the zoom blur, I promise. Except remember last night when we before we were going to see Titannique, which I did

finally bring boone. What do we ever find out what that white flaky ship on your skin was? No? No, I put on a Joan of Argus face mask. That might have been. It was calm, it was kind and no I wish, I wish What do you mean you wish? Have? You haven't been dragging off? It wouldn't land on my face, It wouldn't land on my don't know, then, honey, you're not doing drags the guest. Let's bring him the guests. What do you say? Roll roll up to roll out, rollout, bowen,

roll out. Okay, our guest is a legend um. He competed on das at the Starrs. He is truly Cheryl Burke too, which is like, that's not just competing, that's being part of the fabric of the show. Okay, let's just say that absolutely absolutely, and he is a maybe the but one of the Peloton instructors that we love, and maybe the but one of iconic, and maybe the but one of I think, well, that's not up to us. I don't think. But he's the he's the only one

I really go for. And it's it's really beautiful to develop that rapport with something, you know what, it's like it's speed dating, and then you always go back to the one that you're like, well, no, you took care of me since the beginning. You absolutely so anyway, absolutely please welcome. All right, I was like, I love the intro.

That was a very iconic intro. Third host was already been throwing around, Wow, I know, so now you better come fucking hard with your takes on the girl on the girls and like already like I was already nervous about today. It's like, you bitches are funny and I gotta keep up, Like you know, it's the same. Literally, let's level with the reader the listener. We're all a little we're giving a little Sunday tired, but we will transcend. But we will transcend and there is no pressure. And

I'm so sorry. I did not mean to put that pressure on any of us to deliver to that. This is actually blame my being tired and I want to know how everyone feels. Actually, CHROMATICA fucked up my sleep because I decided to go hard at CHROMATICA and then we really were up past CHROMATICA, because what are you gonna do not continue to celebrate the journey. I went hard for no literal reason. I went hard for no reason. I chose chaos and violence and just I don't know

why I went there, but I did. I think I took your class on the day of the You did a class on the day of the show, And then I think, or no, but you had you had a class in the morning. I had a class at ten am, and I didn't get to bed until probably like to. But but a bitch is professional and I made it and I actually slay the rides, honestly, and they were one of some of my best. Here we go, I think, I think you've been You've never been better, and I

think it will it will maintain that way. What I really talked about into these holes, I'm like, this is this. He will never go back. I'm tired. Okay, Cody, what was your grammatical ball experience? Tell us I didn't get tickets to like like the day of, so I'm grateful for that. I manifested it. That was wonderful. She she was in the pit with all the little monsters and I in the pit. Yes, damn, but I didn't want to get too close. I've seen I've seen her, you know,

I don't need I need. I don't need gud got a spit on me. I needed it. And this actually was my first ball. I've seen her randomly at different live I actually was Bone and I were Bizarrely somehow we ended up at the Gaga and Tony taping, so that was the time I've seen her. But she was very much giving, Like you know, I kept saying, where then is Tony Bennett. He's gonna pop up on that stage, like like Michelle out of the Super Bowl. I was like, come on, Tony, let's go. Let's go somehow more rock

study than she. Ever, let's be honest, popped up and planted his arm on his hip. That would have been so iconic. What what an iconic fag Tony Bennett would have proved to be in that moment. But let's be honest, Gaga the first four songs was not dancing, and I was a little concerned. I was a little concerned. For the first four songs she was standing in gorgeous garments and on a wall horizontally and I was like, I know, I know, there's something wrong with the hip, the fiber

of my aalga. I was like, what's going on? And then by fifth song she was really hitting the steps, So I was very great by the time Act one started. By the time one started, you got you got some steps. The dancers were working very hard. The first five songs it really war because she was in this basically kinetic sculpture up top um, screaming dressed dance while she was

not moving herself, which is whatever. And then the jaws of life came and took her out of the metal garment and she finally began to after we were all told it was the beginning of Act one. She was thrust and we were all thrust into Chromatica itself. Remember when we all sort of as an audience were sort of staring towards the planet of Chromatica. And then Alice started and it was very clear that she did not know if her name was ours or not, but she was sort of you know what I mean, like the

narrative had begun. I think she knew so, and my my questions were the first four songs like a prelude, is that what was going on. I think it was. I think I think in the Gaga story structure it always goes prelude at one, two, three, four. Yeah. Never in the history of opera, of theater of music has that ever been the structure. But she invented it. No, it made perfect sense in a chromatic It was a chromatic in structure. That's why it didn't necessarily quote unquote

make sense. But emotionally we felt every beat. It really is. Now, Cody, what did you think she meant when she said to the audience. At one point, she goes to the piano and she says, well, first of all, okay, no, no, first of all, let's let let's go in order. She sings one, and in the sort of rev up to the chorus, she screams to us one of her first American shows, and she says, this country knows what to do in an emergency. Let's go my biggest Let's go.

Do we though? Do we? She was also very very demanding. She was telling us to like dance and jump, and like I was like, okay, enough enough, Like I'm doing it. Do I need to do more? Right? Mama? I just like damn it. I would disagree with statement, I don't I don't know if we do know what to do. In egence, we've kind of we've kind of been fumbling the ball in the past. This dot an emergency, what act even more chaotic? Like CDC says fuck it? This because this c d C. I said fuck it because

like bitch can't even get a monkey. So, like, you know, we don't know what to do it We share Instagram and for graphics. That's all we know how to do anymore. Essentially, maybe she still thought she was in Europe and she was like, oh funk, I said, I met one of the countries I just left my bad girls. Fuck I I thought the social safety net here it was different. I thought that was something else, okay, And then Cody, you remember her saying, because you know what will happen

when they try to come for gay marriage. You know what's gonna happen. And if they come for gay marriage, you know what's gonna happen. When if when? When I just remember, literally everyone around me was just blank. It was we can't even engage in this one. It to disconnect, baby, We don't need to be reminded that it's that is going away in a few in a few years and

were no cheers. So there were no cheers. We were like mom must saying, I always remember was this, Will you put that foot on that piano and get you play the heads? Put the foot on the piano, put the fot on the piano. I will say, not having been to the other balls, I did leave the concert. And mind you, I had true quite the you were flipping a little, you were chop at mushrooms. I was probably peaking, but I was leaving saying that was the best concert of my life. I loved it. I loved it.

I don't know if it was the best, but like I loved it. Okay, we we we we played this game and it wasn't a game. But we asked everybody in the car this on the way home. First concert, favorite concert? Oh, okay you because I think I think this is this is so instructive about Cody. I think if you learn this about Cody, I think it'll tell us a lot. And I know what is what is yours? I know mine first concert ever? I think Aerosmith with

my mom, that's actually a good one. That's solid. I mean, it's giving, it's giving, drag, it's giving followed by Twain, so that that was a good second one and man, I felt like a woman and best concert. Yeah, if chromatical Ball wasn't then what was Beyonce's formation. I honestly like lost my ship and I didn't have I had like seats in the bleachers or whatever they called it. And I'm actually glad that I did, because I got the entire visual art direction and I ate it up.

So you were at City Field, Yes, I was also at City Field, me Sudie and Henry and my boyfriend at the time. We were in the last row in the bleachers, last row up against the fence, like if there wasn't offense, we would have fallen down. We were by home plate, we were by home baker with baseball um. But you were close, we were kind of, but we were on the total opposite end of this age. So like we were like technically like in the good seat, like if it were a baseball game, a good seat.

But you're right, I am glad I got to see the whole Like everything about that spinning cube was fucking crazy to me. And then remember she did it was like right after Prince passed away, and then she did purple rain. It was unbelievable. Can I add another concert? Yea Spice Girls Reunion tour. I lost my entire ship. I saw it twice because I saw it. This is when I lived in North Carolina. I saw it in d C. And my seats were horrendous, so I had

to see it much closer. So I went again and I put it on my AMEX and I probably didn't pay it off until probably eight years later or so. You know what was that like two thousand? No, that when was or seven something like that. Yep, I remember that because I remember I remember remember when they did that documentary called Boys Fate. Remember when they did that documentary where it was like oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the

five hour long documentary. I was at Boys State when the Spice Girls announced they were going to do that tour, and I've never felt like more of a fagot than in that moment. I was just like I was around all like these military military boys, like, well, the Spice Girls are coming back, and they were like get out of yeah, you know, you were the only one and it wasn't get out of here, like like get out of here. I was like, actually, ejectively, um, did you

watch the Shania Twain documentary on Netflix. It's not watched. Watch. She's been through it. She's been to Helen back. I mean the whole ship about her husband cheating on her like with their friend, and her losing her voice because of the trauma of that and then having to relearn how to sing. It's really crazy either oh yeah, oh, she she like lost the ability to sing because largely because she was so traumatized by her divorce, and then she got ill and then she lost the ability to

and had to relearn how to sing. It was like, okay, not to bring in this like different current event, but why is this theme through the decades up and down like the spectrum of success? Like why is it that, like our most talented female singers and songwriters get cheated on by their husbands and then they are like fully, they're the ones who somehow suffered the most. Like the Michelle Branch news is driving me believe it. I have a controversial take on it, which is the fact that

he called do you know what happened with Michelle? I'm just gag that you're still following Michelle Branch but live She's okay, no, no, I never stopped and how dare you?

It's truly okay. So basically for for readers, Michelle Branch was arrested for domestic for domestic violence on Thursday morning, and it was because she found out that her husband, the drummer for the Black Keys, which I didn't even know still existed after two thousand five, cheated on her while she was at home with the baby with a six month old. Yeah, and so she slapped him twice, but when the cops showed up, there were no visible and not that this like justifies the sort of idea

the concept of like domestic abuse or physical violence. Is your controversial take map that like he's a fucking idiot he thought. My controversial take is that he is a he he is a complete loser who ruined this woman's life. And then he comes home, it takes two slaps to the face and then calls the police. So then now she gets arrested. And now because they're going to have a divorce, now she has an arrest record for domestic violence.

Went and like it's gonna probably like affect like maybe even custody because he called the police on his small life who slapped him a couple of times. Because he humiliated her and broke her completely. I called bullshit on that one. Yeah, period, be bothered to learn his name anyway, Sorry, Cody, We're just we're we haven't we haven't unloaded on this, we haven't downloaded each other on this on our reactions. I just looked him up and he's just not cute.

So they never are. No drummer is going to be cute. That's no drummer is gonna be But I don't care ahead think what you want to think. I just think she's so beautiful. She is a beautiful star. Every picture that's in this new speed just looks like she's taking a picture with a fan of them. Yeah. Now here's me and my full on douchebag husband. We support Michelle, we love Michelle. Yeah, but that was not that was

not a fun thing to hear about at all. But I think also the fact is like these these women, like they marry these guys and they can't handle having like I don't think they can handle having a dynamic wife.

Like I mean, like even like Shania, like like Robert mutt Lange was the name of her husband, and he like Robert Mutlin, Yeah, who I think was also something he was like a genius musician, but and like actually revolutionized her career, like her like second country album that came out before Come On Over, like he jumped on at the documentary talks about this, and it like he

was like a rock musician. So he made her country songs like pop and he did like um any Man of Mine and like all her like big country hits because the first album was like sort of successful, like not as huge as her other ones. And then Come On Over still to this day is the biggest selling female album of all time. Still to this day, any genre and genre is the best selling album by a woman ever. That's that's history. That's not like Whitney speaking up.

Not Whitney, not Adele, not like any of any of like the the more crossover people. That was the crossover album. I mean come on Over, like I mean our own Cody Rigsby went to the concert. He probably saw all types of folks. I can barely remember. It was also like the era of like the height of people buying music. Because a little bit after that, which is when I'm buying music. Napster, Baby Napster ended that quick Napster said, taking you out back music industry shot to the head.

My first concert was Mariah Carey, and my best concert was I think it was Beyonce, but it wasn't Formation. It was when I saw her do four at Roseland Volumes. She did four shows at Roseland and it was absolutely insane watching her perform for Live, like newly, like free of Matthew, like she he wasn't managing her anymore. She did that fucking incredible album, and then watching her just tear it up. And then the real gag was about

month and a half. Two months later was the VMA's where she revealed she was pregnant when she sang Love on Top and then dropped the mic and revealed her baby bump, and I was bump, Okay, we have a truth here. You know this is nice. That is what it's giving Third Colors energy because we meet something coming with the controversy. I've seen the video and that bump it does, the bump folded, folded, it folded. I saw

with my very own eyes. Is mad at you. I mean, there's there's one group of fans that you don't want mad at you. It is the bee, the beehive. And of course Teresa Judaic is tree huggers. There are the beehive of the housewives community. That's a real culture, number forty four the community, and they're all they're militant right

now as well, I go tell us mine. My first one was Imagine Heat, which I was telling that I used to think was like not a cool because Okay, my parents didn't really like let me go to like concerts when I was growing up, Like they wouldn't know what's like take me to. So it wasn't until high school and like I had my own money to spend that, like all of our friends in drama club, We're going to Imagine and Heat. And then I was like it was an amazing show and it was into my space,

so you know. One this was after the Tonic MySpace Iconic didn't have that. I'd like to meet someone who did not have that as their space song at one point,

at one point thinking that you were so unique. Well, that was the trap of indie music at that time, was that everyone thought they were being so like crate diggye underground, Like oh, I really like dug this out of a record shop and it's like, no, every fucking fourteen year old in the country house this because we're all watching the C. I only made it past the first season of The o C. Well, it went off

a cliff after the first season. I think I didn't miss much that, okay, but you did sort of miss some camp when Mischa Barton threw that pool chair into the pool. It was the first season. It was Oliver trash. Oh my god. Oliver was the best arc of television history. Oliver on the o C when he had a gun, Oh my god, and that was terrible. And we've talked about how samayor Armstrong, who played um, what's her face like Anna? That's the long triangle between Rachel Bilson, Adam

Brody No, no no, Adam Brodie and not Adrian. Can I just tell you I cringed at that because I had a like one of my first boyfriends kind of looked like Adrian Brodie, so like I could never go I just like I can't. I completely disagree. But anyway, but on what happened with samar we know what happened, but what happened to all the readers, she's like full Q and on now I think she's it's actually a really culture at number ten Strong Mom's cute, but then the best.

But I will say about Image and like, oh that is now like like they did a hold right up about this where it's like she has influenced everybody now where Casey Musgraves when right when she wrote Golden Hour was like, what would it sound like if Image and he made a country album. That's what I want this album to sound like. Yeah, that makes sense, Ariana Grande doing like like full on covers um we said, Taylor Swift, I mean you could argue that Delicate is like entirely

a call back to something like that into Cody. Is there a way that we can convince you that, like there's good Taylor stuff is what's what? What's your? We don't have to get into it if you don't want to break it down for us, Mama fish Okay, So it's a theme. So I had a boyfriend in college, so I really, I really, I really liked like like tear drops in the guitar to mcgral with what was like the really breakthrough album which we belong together, Fearless

was solid, and then what was that afterward? What was after that? Speak now which people speak now, which is probably know all three of those albums, and this is Nick this is the lost culture, says exclusive. I've never said that before. Okay, okay, you actually know you know Taylor Swift fear list and speak now he's book off book off the record anyway, on the record, on the record, uh,

on the record title of app. I just like I can't relate like she dances like this is a getty noodle, Like I just don't think she's a good person, Like I just don't see it for her. Okay, Okay, no, no, no, no no, This is totally shout out to everybody that likes Taylor Taylor Swift, like you know, like enjoy your enjoy your life. I do enjoy my life very much,

thank you very much. And so I would say the thing about Taylor is I've actually noticed that sometimes people criticize me and Bowen for being so pro Taylor because there was an era of this podcast. And this is true and we're just gonna come clean about it. There was an era of this podcast that was not pro Taylor, and it it proceeded I believe when was no, it was not. It was like it was like around like the when Taylor became so Taylor that like when she did get brought down a peg by and Kim and

by a peg, I mean almost entirely. It was when people were sort of like not happy to see her fail, but like they weren't concerned about her, like like, oh no, our faith. It was like there were people that were sort of snickering at the fact that, like she was, she was revealed as being you know, un calculated quote unquote person Cody. But so I was just calculation. For me, everything is calculated, That's what I'm saying, Like, why are

you up front? You're you're the front row of every show with a new best friend, and you're dancing and at the moment that the camera hits you, you know exactly when to have fun and dance. They probably don't even follow each other on Instagram. She probably doesn't even have this girl's phone number, you know what I'm saying, Like she's there with Selena Gomez and probably doesn't even have her phone number saved in her phone, do you you

know what I'm saying. It was the most transparent when she did have all of like the season eleven girls of Drag Race with her at the v Amaze and it's like you've never you probably I don't think you've watched an episode of this show except for maybe j Jolie doing you on Snatch Game, but otherwise, like I think, like in the in the package of clips you got like, I don't think you have a full to full context for like who like you know, fucking like Rajo'harra is

like and and she never was very vocal about anything gay for until Yeah. Well she discusses that in the documentary, the Miss Americana Documentary, where she's like she felt she couldn't be and I think that is when she was peak annoying. Was when she was the most famous pop star in the world, when she was in her apex With album and like the world started to burn around her and it felt like she wasn't doing anything about it when other people were and like maybe suffering for it.

When it felt like she was like the capitalist pop star, like and you know, the short little blond Bob, the supermodels, you know what I mean, That is when the Collie class of it all. That is when I think, but we're like not this And then when that all came tumbling down. I think then she was like I can say we were back on the up and up because I think she did get oversaturated, and I think that we are guilty of not being like Ride or Die tailor throughout every era that I mean, We're just gonna

be transparent about it. Totally, totally, totally, but we're we love her. A great businesswoman, a great businesswoman, you know, like I will respect I do respect the check, so you know, respect the check and even be doing the album so she's getting more checks, like congratulations, we thoroughly stan okay, period, But then she comes out in her private jets. Yeah but not the third co host. Okay, I'm gonna sitment myself over here and uh yeah, oh my god, I feel that I feel like I really

back to Cody into a corner with that. It's the third okay, okay, okay, okay, but I just people are gonna be ad, but it's okay. I live, I I stand in my truth. I said everything that I said with my full chest, and that's okay. Yes, you do speak from the chest. You you come out with some takes in class, and you do seem to have like a good, emotionally mature response to all of them. Suld you get some unhinged response based on the smallest things

you say when you're on camera. Yeah, And I feel like that's like part of that's like half of the job in a way, is like knowing how to like handle yourself when you have to like notice speak to like moms and you know, like the suburbs and like fags in the city and like everyone in between. You know, like it's a it's it's it's like a really trippy thing.

And I can't say I can relate because I feel like it's a very specific thing in terms of like the fitness space where it's like you really have to like present yourself as like this very like um understandable person.

Does that makes end? Yeah? I think I I love that I get to like bring people like, you know, bring people into it and like, yeah, the suburban housewives that don't have a gay friend, like they're they're they're getting into the culture, you know, like they allow themselves to kind of like feel the fantasy for a little bit. And why not we? I mean, are we say that our our our listener is a woman named Katie who's who works in who She's a communications major who lives

outside of Chicago. Was what I say? I wanted to ask you, out of ten, how many people that say they love what you do are named Katie? Like, out of ten, would you say for me? It's like say get six for all of us. In fact, literally the other night Bowen, when we were leaving, the girl girl came up and I always asked whenever anyone's like, hey, I'm a fan, like I just wanted to say hi. I always say I always ask what their name is, and this girl said Katie. And I don't even react anymore.

I'm like, Katie, it was so nice to meet you. Like they're they're so many, it's an army of Katie's. We need to stop calling them the readers and call them the Katie Katie like period Like, if you're, if you've, if you've previously been a reader of this podcast, you are like and that's what we call our bee hive. You are now the Katie's. This is the Katie era. This is the Katie era, of of of of lost culture.

I was speaking of which Toody recently went to go see Katie and Vegas right good was that I got my life? Bitch. It's hit after hit after hit after after you know the words, you know, everyone's every fu song, she's giving you camp, she's giving you theatrics. It was so good. I'm so glad it went. And that was literally twenty four hour trip because that was the only reason I was going to Vegas. It's the only way you can do Vegas. That we just went for my birthday.

Phone didn't get to come. The straight community loves Vegas. The straight loves Vegas. It's their fire island. I mean in a but it's so fun. I I do love a good hard like almost forty eight hours in Vegas. I do because you do always do something stupid, and you do always remember. I remember all the stupid should I do well? Remember slash happily don't like remember all the stuff that has happened in Vegas. And I do believe it stays in Vegas, thank God. Yeah, it's it's

dark sided. It's not Christian, like just keep it there. It's certainly not Christian. Oh no, it's the least Christian city I went to. That's not even a real culture. That's a that's a rule of life, like in like Las Vegas. Las Vegas is not not Christian. But you know, I think the girls are all gonna are all ending up there are making pit stops there and it's like we keep going because that's where the girls are. Well,

I need to reschedule, is Kelly. I know, Adel just rescheduled her her the guest residency, but the Vegas regular residency that was canceled that was starting on April Fools Day twenty that was canceled was Kelly Clarkson, who, of course is my number one. I'm a big fan, Hue. I saw you on Kelly. You guys had a lovely time. She was lovely, but she was quick, honey. She that was a well oiled machine. It was in and out. I was like, okay, let's go. They give you a record?

Did they? Did they give you a record? A vinyl? As part of your game? Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation. That's a really good one. That's a really good one. They gave me not one that matches me, which makes me think that like it's they just pick it out of a box. What did she give you? What? For people at home? For the Katie's at Home listening, Kelly Clarkson gives all of her guests a vinyl as a gift,

and she personal as beautiful gift beautiful. She personally picks it out like she actually got for Joel Kim Booster. She gave him the back to Basics Christina Aguilera vinyl, which is a cool Yeah. I don't know that she does pick it up because do you guys want to guess what she me? No, we don't want to guess. Okay. Bruce Springsteen's greatest hits m Homophone, maybe maybe I love I love Bruce Springsteen, Electory Chair. She thought he's Mikey Day.

She thought you were a Mikey Days greams. Bruce Springsteen also got talking about Bruce Springsteen. I am proud of her for knowing that she was in Jersey. You know, I feel like it was She's very conflicted. Did she say she's in Jersey? She's in New York? You know, I don't know. Well, that's the thing with MetLife Stadium because when we saw Taylor again, like and I have to say, I want to stress like Taylor is the majority of music that I listened to. I do love Taylor.

You guys know, I love Taylor. The majority of the music that you listen to. You I wish it was not because Cody. There's because there's variety, there's you're you're you're getting a different, a different fantasy with Okay, you've got pop, you've got country, you've got country crossover, you've got folkey music. You've got I think that's about it. End game. You have absolute gangster rap. But she Taylor

said she will try it. Though she will try, she kept talking about like I love Jersey, like it's so amazing to be in Jersey tonight, Like how's it going Jersey? And we were like god, like we're in New York. And then as I think she did toss off, she did at some point be like she was like, no, Wholier came in from New York tonight and everybody, I will Okay, I will get credit to Taylor. This is what I want. What I wanted more of CHROMATICA. I wanted more production value. I needed like a little bit

more production value. And Taylor had a like snake coming out of Goddamn wasn't an incredible concert. You can watch it on Netflix. I'll pass. But you know, watched that and I remember she's trying to be a pop star. It's just like, no, girl, that not your lane. That's like you you like it? When she was Taylor Swift with a hard R and a hard team, and not when she's Taylor Swift with a very loose a and a and because she's a player. You know, Yeah, katie's're

bringing back the word player, like hate player, player. I wish I would date that guy, but I know he's a player. He's a player. Okay, put it. Put a pin in that well. Okay, So she did put out um in response to the three l W lawsuit, Yeah, issuing her for potentially stealing the lyrics. Players are gonna play hate. It's gonna hate for schack it off. Good for them. They need a check. I'm all about and I'm all about chasing a check. So get her. Absolutely get her. She might have to take one or two

less private planes a month. Give her to get her. Every plane, by the way, every plane flying over at, every plane plant fling over, met Life Stadio, every fagon in that seae was like, oh, look, Taylor Swift. But if Taylor has put out Steven saying that she has never heard of the of the group three ill W or the song players go and play, which is ridiculous, which that is not true, Tay, come on and that's when I that's when I can't fully like support it.

I'm like, no, like you can't like that was that was Radio Disney. That was all over Radio Disney. You know what I'm saying. You're listening to that everything face with that. No, No, she has heard players they're gonna pay. I will say this. I hope this. She throes Adrian Bailon Howton some check because we know the Real is canceled.

The Real is canceled. It's too bad. But I can also understand that Cody, Cody's sort of approach to Taylor is informed by this, you know this ax that is emotionally a little prickly because you you'll think of him if you was in the Taylor, you're a broken heart that so long ago. It's so long ago. But I know, No, you don't seem like you. You seem really raw. No, not what was he like? What was it fun? I was like it was like nineteen like we didn't. You

never forget that one. You never forget never, never never. Okay, I think it's time to ask Tody the question. Well, I just want to say, I just want to say before we ask the question and spin off, we do have to give renaissance thoughts because here we are, we've talked about all the girls, and we have to give renaissance thoughts. So let's just say, what are your unique

thoughts about renaissance? What are your thoughts No one else has go that no one else has well because they've heard the Katies, ever heard all the other takes, Yes, Coaches coming in hot almost a month late. My my unique thought, my unique thought is to listen to it on a plane the next time you're gonna plane Katie's You're Gonna, You're gonna. It's like watching a movie on a plane. It's like you're really going to be hit

in a different way, in a more impactful way. It really opened up the rest of the album for me, like like I was more like I was more of a back half girl. And then on this flight recently, I was listening to the front half and I was like, wait a minute, this whole thing is incredible. You were you didn't the front half didn't hit for you at the jump because like fit and comfit. By the way, when when Lizzo heard Coffett, she was shaking in her boots.

When Lizzo heard that song, it's a very Lizzo track. Let's just be honest. It's a it's it's a Lizzo s track. It's a Lizzos track. And there is this conspiracy, not a conspiracy, but there's a theory that Beyonce does not like Lizzo. Oh wow, well why because she wasn't mentioned in the I think I think now all of the wasn't she wasn't she mentioned in that. She was not in the Queen's Rex. Lizza was not mentioned in

the Queen's Remax. Also missing is Mariah I'll say that and Brandy Brandy and Becca producer Becca says, but she did give Lizzo a birthday post. Okay, so all mind because I wanted it to not be true. So thank you so much for disproving alright, so that I still want to know. I also want to know why the track America has a Problem is not political at all. I thought it was going to be very political, and

it's it's not. It's note I'm obsessed with the fact that it's called America has a Problem and everyone was like cracking their knuckles getting ready for that, and then it's just about more about her. Fucking I absolutely love it. She's like, and I thought, my husband like this too, by the way, and it's like, but America has a America. I thought America had a problem and we're gonna have a discourse about it. What happened. We would talk about

how America had a problem. Thought Beyonce was going to help solve the problem. But now she was like, nope. Sometimes beyond Beyonce gets it from the back from Jay And I was like, okay, okay, well that colors in some lines at least. I mean, jay Z definitely got a break on this album because I want to worried about the man the booty gonna do what it wants to. Okay. I would say my unique thoughts about Renaissance are that

it is the album of the year. Obviously that's not a unique thought, but I would say that won't won just like like, if it doesn't, I will protest. I will take to the streets with the fervor of any other issue. America has a problem, and honestly, America will have a major problem, and I will be the same shouting it from the rooftops, and it won't be about high got it in my butt. It will be about how Beyonce doesn't have an Album of the Year Grammy

after this year, it must happen. It does seem like there's going to be two more chances, this being an act one of three. But I hope that they don't, like, you know, Lord of the Rings, this ship and wait till the last one to give it the big award, because we must award Beyonce now like do it in the now like award these people now say to the

talented people of now, we recognize your talented now. Don't let it be like an Haiti who We're only saying, hey, you know she was a good actress after she's tragically passed. And I'll get to that in my I don't think so, honey. But back to my unique thoughts on Renaissance. I believe that, yes, it is like a cohesive album, like you can listen to it through and think, wow, I got my life. There is a standout track. It is only in Superstar and I think it has risen to the top and

I think we can't deny that. No, that that's undeniable. It is. It is the song. You guys think it's the song, Well, now that the break my soul Queen's remix came out. I think that's the song, and I think it's like I just think it's watershed. But like Alien Superstar, I mean, Virgo's groove got a lot of attention off the top, and I totally agreed with that. I do love Summer Renaissance. I love the Donna Summer sample. I think that's like, really, you don't Cody, you don't

stand somewhere. It's fair. Look, I I'm just appreciated that it's a body of work because people don't make a body of work to be People don't make a body of work anymore, and I appreciate a body of work that I can listen to from front to back. Summer Renaissance is solid. I like it. By that, I guess like it's by that it's time. You're like, okay, I've I've heard the album, yeah, but I have not stopped listening to an album like, Okay, what's your unique thought?

I told you? But wait, what was that? America has a problem is not political? Im guy's a problem is not political? Right right right right right right right in this moment in American history. To not be political in America has a problem. Beyonce, We're looking at you with an awkward eye, but also always satiated by you telling us how you're getting it. This is a hot take it up, but I feel like I'm gonna I just question. Yeah, Beyonce is using the queer culture, but what she about

the queer culture until this album came out? So it's funny. I'm just it's just Devil's advocate, like in a statement, I'm just asking a question. Damn, I'm loving this was Beyonce. Like last year in Pride, everyone's like, Beyonce is coming to this dingy Brooklyn club and everyone's got to be there. She did not come, you know what I'm saying, Like it was like her team was there or whatever. The funk? Yeah sure, but whatever, But I'm like, so so Becca.

Becca has announced in the in the in the chat that she is of beehive and now she I can feel her rage. So this album is dedicated to her gay uncle, and there's a speech she gave attributing him the community. Yes we know all about uncle Johnny. Awards, Yes, the GLAD Awards, and she was she was a ordered with a GLAD Award and she gave a very emotional speech about Uncle Johnny and Uncle Johnny's in the liner notes, etcetera.

And take the floor. Well, I think Matt and I both chuckle anytime we think about the fact that before even before this album came in, anytime you think about the fact that after Brittany Madonna kissed the v m as, her response to the media was that she was disgusted. But I don't know that she was discussing the homost sexuality of its famously a Christian girl, she's a Christian girl, but I think she was. She's a church girl. She's a church girl. Don't hurt nobody, but she I think

she We can't quite pinpoint. Yeah, Okay, Becka says, you're not wrong there. Okay, So we have be high confirming this, and we are, of course be high as well firmly, firmly firm bestate life formation. Okay. And it's interesting that you bring this up because I was at up how I was in North Carolina all places, working this job, and I he's working with a bunch of heteroes and

they were like the straight community. The straight community was like as a little confused by it because they're like and then one person even said, it sounds like she's like using lingo. That's like that just doesn't sound right on her, And I'm like, oh, that's definitely not true. It's not that it doesn't sound right on her. It's like she like she's representing a community that invented the lingo.

I have to say, completely insane for straight people to say this lingo doesn't sound They cannot be the ones to say that, like jail time for them. I think it's just that like electric chair, Literally, I think it's an adjustment. I think, like I think that we just we we are not used to Beyonce being this like direct and faggoty exactly. You get the sense that, like so many of these pop stars know and make it a part of their thing that they are gay icons,

you know what I mean. Like Lady Gaga's allish up to the queer community is so intrinsic in what she does, and like it feels like in terms of the queer community and in terms of being a queer icon, which Beyonce so undoubtedly is. It never seemed top of mind

for her. Only seemed like recently that she's even really publicly acknowledged her uncle Johnny who were now to believe was like a major influence on her, and it just seems like maybe this was a little bit more of a struggle in her growing up and in her maturity than it was for her peers that are like major pop stars who have been like unabashed about being queer

icons and olice to the queer community. Because while I'm like not doubting it at all, and this is like an extremely like lived in, like experiential piece of work that she's made, it just seems like she's never been out here being like, hey gay is okay? Doja cat? She didn't even make a no hate picture in the early two thousand oh Wait and they come after game.

We're teasing, were cheasing, we're teasing. But if they if they if Daga says, if they don't, if they come from gay marriage, then Beyonce will doing no hate, thank god, And then we're then where's pull up and that's lock up.

But you're right, Matt, I think like this is speaking to like the fact that she has had to maybe catch up on a lot of things, especially after you pointed out like after she dropped her father, after Matthew Knowles was out of the picture in the business side of things, she was able to be like right from performed from a more liberated place. Yeah, be like this fucking doll for someone else. And I think, I think, yeah, this is probably just a journey for her, like like

her awareness what's up? But even like the form formation Arrow was like the I'm not not the first time, but like where she was very liberated in her blackness to you know what I'm saying, Like, also do this like the album after maybe of course, of course, you know, I think that like she she always was, but I think that there was like an immediacy to it which

was like very very important to the moment. And I think, like it's this thing, like we said with Taylor, like it's like you we do look to these people to make statements to the people now, like you do have to when you have a platform and you have influence, Like no, you don't have to do anything obviously, but it's immensely helpful. We see what happens when these people speak to their fan bases. So when it feels like someone is like a washed out version of what they

can be like now, we notice. And so when it comes to these very calculated pop culture icons and these fixtures in pop culture, there is always a question of how is this serving you? You know what I mean, Like whenever you're speaking to and speaking for a certain community, I think, so I totally understand like where that's coming from.

And I also think like it's touchy, you know what I mean, Like whenever anyone is like I am speaking for the queers now, it's it's like you sort of get this like intrinsic thing, like oh yeah, of course, and they always have. But then you backtrack and that's not really true because you know, there's different things that play. But I think with Beyonce, I think she's like kind of giving us, like dumping a lot of knowledge download

onto us. Like with the Queen's Remix, it's like okay, yes, Like she she's nodding to all of the houses, and she's nodding to like all of like the girls from the past to get back. For sure, she's taking it back and it's I mean, that's it's a genius piece of music in terms of absolutely reclaiming the song Vogue, but also not shopping Madonna. You know you're not You're not like saying fuck you Madonna, Like this was our

thing and you made it yours. For a second, it's like no, like there's this beautiful intersection of things that like you can sort of pay homage to that, but also like trying to move forward with like the ownership of it. But yeah, I'm saying, like I think that's like, that's that's where I get the sense like Beyonce is not doing this in bad faith or not doing it just for the cloud, not even cloud. Yeah, exactly, I

don't think she is either at all. When I first heard that new bridge on the Queens, I had to I literally had to deposit and stand up because I was like, oh, this is such a moment, this is such a genius moment, and like it also was just so like now those people are solidified in time, you know what I mean. Like and there's like like and like, yes, I love what you said about like her, not like shooting on Madonna. She instead made Vogue their thing, you

know what I mean. Now it's something that truly can feel like it is a celebration of all these icons like from this community. Because when you think about like like Madonna like taking ballroom culture and then and then using the word vogue and then shouting back to the white actresses of the past, like it is a little weird, great perspective. I just didn't even think. I didn't even think about that. It just doesn't. It doesn't. It's not like it's certainly not an A too B, nor is

an a TOC. It's like what it's like, what are we saying? Like d drinking the Maaggio for Vogue and you're voguing in the video, like what is the connection here? Just that you're in black and white and they did movies in black and white. I don't know, but you know it just I feel like it all makes sense and comes together in a gorgeous, stunning way now. And I love the song, love the album, and love Beyonce obviously the artist of our lifetime. I think it's time

to ask Tody question, which is Tody to be? What is the culture that made you say? Culture is for me? This is the formative pop culture for you? Um that you can can trace back to your beginnings. Seeing Brittney Spears in a bohemian outfit with a fedora hat barefoot out of a gas station bathroom while people asked for her signature really fortified just so much joy and excellence

in my life. I knew that then I could be anything that I wanted to be, and that a messy boy from the South would achieve greatness only because she paved the way for people like us. And that is when I knew that the culture it was in fact for me. I forget to be a full paragraph, I mean like literally thesis statement on the essay that was beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. She I felt what could be the messy Southern gay because of that messy Southern girl from can what Louisiana,

Honey remember the name? Now? Is this the moment where she Wasn't this It was not. It was not when she was like going through like uh, very messy and shaking the head. No, this was this is like peak fame, Like this is peak peek, Like maybe like after in the zone she probably maybe dating cafe ed at the time, but really went into that bathroom with no no shoes, no fox to give, no fox to give, no shoes,

no fox to give title of that no shoes. No, that's actually the title of her book that's coming out. How are you feeling about Brittany in the present moment? Like, what are your thoughts. I just want Brittany to be happy. I just want her to live her live. That is the company line. I hope that she's getting great dick from that very handsome man, and um yeah yeah, that's that's about it. I don't need new music from her. I honestly, if she wants to make it, congratulations, but

I don't. I don't need an album. She's She's literally giving us a lifetime of hits, hot tracks, bops, iconic performances. We're we're good bad like take a take a break, take a nap, go sleep, go taking them kids. I don't know, just like you're good. Yeah, I what do you think? What are you feeling? What are you guys feeling about this Elton John track? It'll be cute to be interesting would be like, um, you know, um the do a thing doing rocket Man. I did like that.

I did like duo though, and Elton John that that that that caught me by surprise that I actually liked it that much. Not that I'm not an Elton John can and I'm a huge do leap a fan. But do you know when you mix old and it just doesn't work, it doesn't work. But Gaga and Elton also slayed in CHROMATICA. We we didn't get that at the tour, but we did not get signed from above, which I did not but Tony Bennett, because Tony Bennett couldn't make it. He was gonna do with Eldon's part, and Tony Bennett

going I was at would have been a gag. I was, Oh, that's good. You think Laura Lauren Matt has a Tony Bennett host for Joker Folio do, Tony. I think I think so much of your The moment I became obsessed with you was when you know, we all learned the rule that like when you play Britney Spears, we function up. I have not. I need to revisit the fact that she taught me everything I know about how to listen

to music, about how to like every watch music videos. Yeah, every homosexual, every homosexual on Fire Island is dressed like a two thousands of Britney Spears video. They've got the rhinestone g string out, they've got the they've got the broad top, they've got the sparkle pant. Like, everybody is dressed like a Britney Spears video. Right now, I would say there was there was the day before Britney Spears was a thing and there was the day after. I mean it was a sea change. It was a sea change.

Nothing solidified my homosexuality more than like the Oops, I did it again performance at the M A M. Right, she could rock a Fedora. The Fedora is actually kind of fanatic in her and really Fedora like she's she's loved a Fedora for far too long. I I would say stopped, but like I'm gonna let her know. It's her thing her. They really placed that Fedor on her on her head during the Blackout album. They're like, Okay, we need we need something to fix this picture. Here

you go girl. Yeah, her influence on fashion at that time that really thrust us into Fedora era and that was not good for the majority of people before Justin Timberlake, to be honest, before Justin, but Fedora wascited to get it, to be amazed right in the zone and then the music video yep, and then then be More album and the Blackout also, have we clocked this as a culture yet that like she has this through line and it just said it pretty much says everything that like the

Britney Spears look alike in the crimea River music video was really only a look alike because she had blonde hair and a fedora as she walked into her home, and they're like, we know who that is? God, what a tacky guy. I not a chair Kelly Clarkson great people talking about Kelly. Oh no I did. I did electric cheering Kelly for giving me a Bruce spring but her chance let her free, don't. I don't like thinking about Kelly and the electric chain. We would never let

it happens. Never. And I just found a hundred and fifteen images on Getty images of Britney Spears and Fedora. I'm getty, not even on Google. I'm getty. I believe there's a New Year's Eve moment. Here's what I can tell because she's performing in Times Square. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. I think I think we're about to get the Fedora back in full force. I don't want it. Do you think that? Do you think that Bowen? I

don't know about you and a Fedora. I certainly not, Cody, I guess I kind of I see you in the Fedora. I really if anyone, if anyone can like be the Britney Spears, like in an sir in fashion and the culture. It could be you excuse me giving guys and dolls. I'm not here for that. Do you know what I just realized again that we have to talk about is your Mickey Mouse tattoo. I'm not a Disney adult otherwise. I do appreciate going to the parks from time to time. But I have a lot of Mickey. I have a

lot of Mickey apparel. I think Mickey is a pop culture Americana icon, no doubt, and Disney adult. So I just want to get this the facts together. Okay, So we let's get the facts together then, because I would say, and Bowen, let me know if you agree that having a lot of merch and having a tattoo of Mickey on your bicep does make it more of a Disney adult than like not going to the parks like I don't know, once every couple of months. No, Matt, I think Cody is like an our in our fantasy where

we do not identify as Disney adults either. But you know we love to funk it up at the parks, the parks, We really do that. It's about enjoying. It's about just going there and enjoying. You so right, king, well what what what? What? What? No? I was promised one chaperone trip to Disney after doing Dance with the Stars, and I have not I have not cashed in that token yet, and so I'm waiting, what which one World or World or Land. I think I think you've got

to go to World. Then if they're offering you the opportunity, you have to go to World. And also, like I know for a fact that Kenya Moore they took her down to Disney World, and they did they when she was on they were literally doing like pieces in in front of Rise of the Resistance, like her and her dance partner, and she brought her daughter in Brooklyn and she was like, I'm so excited to be in Disney World.

And it was like definitely like packaged pieces exactly. And you were on this season prior to mis more correct, No, we're in the same Why didn't they bring you down? Bitch? I had COVID and I was sick. That's why. Oh my god, yes you were. You iconically had COVID during the com It was tragic. It was really tradic. That was what she is, you know what our relationship it took a while to like warm up to each other. It was hard really for the first three weeks. Yeah,

just because we're both too strong personality. She's been in the game for a really long time, and I think we butted heads for like the first few weeks, not even butted heads, but I was just like I had

to absorb a lot. But then I started to really understand understand her and also understand that whole machine, and I had so much more respect and love for her once I like sat in that ballroom more and more, because that whole process is like mental and emotional, just gymnastics, and it takes so much to be in that space, like a competition like that live. So like my respect for her group so much throughout the process, just like observing her and like, yeah, and you did incredible. I

mean that's like second runner up. Thank you so much, not for nothing. It was great. I mean it was great. I'm so glad I did it, but I was so happy it was over. Like I just like I was just like, Okay, I did that. I did that. It's over great. Oh And that was when that was when you had your classes and like the l A store or something, and then yeah, there was a store in Venice. Yeah, and it was like it was such it was it was like it was very jarring for me to like

very make shift. It was very make shift when we made it happen. And I appreciate Peloton's um help. I mean, I'm sure, I'm sure you get this all the time, but like, um, I'm literally telling you what you've heard from every other single single from from from Katie's. But like, I really it really was a thing where Cody was like keeping me like it was like a friend that like, especially in like early lockdown. UM, I was like fuck it, I'm getting a fucking Peloton like I can't, I can't,

I can't do this. Um. And then it was like discovering Cody and being like, oh, he's the only one who plays the ship. I like great. Then like he's my guy, and it was just like oh great, Like Cody is just like and you you got you guys all like keep it positive, which I know it sounds not trivial, but I know it sounds like oh sure, like it's a that that feels implicit, but it's like

it's so hard to do. It's very hard to keep it like real, but light no that's kind of always the real that that is kind of all a rule for me. It's like you can talk about deep stuff where you can kind of get a little like I don't want to say, yeah, you can get negative or bring bring up stuff that might be uncomfortable, but you've gotta always gotta find a way to like not spin it, but like find the positive in it, like people are because people are coming to the class, I don't want

to They don't want to be down. They want to be you know. Like so that's the rule that has to be tough though, like to be effusive all the time. You know what I mean? Like that is that is like texting well in that space it's only for like thirty or forty five minutes. But I see, right even this like summer, I've come to like like butt heads with it. Like sometimes I'm like I'm not in a

great mood and I have to turn it off. You know, I'm sure, I'm sure with you this summer with Fireland movie, like you you had a lot more bombardment of people and like having to turn it on more often. No, definitely it was more than it would have been. Although I kind of I think and maybe Bowen thinks this too, but like there was so obviously an endpoint to everything

we were doing. It just feel like and we were so grateful for this, but because the movie was successful and that people really enjoyed it, the the the like press of it all and the conversation around it felt like and also the Pride Month of it all felt like it kept going, which is like, you know what I mean, bo totally, But I think people are also

more understanding now. It's not like not to compare ourselves to like Britney Spears when she was of her fame, but like that was a completely different culture around fame work. It was like there was no compassion whatsoever or empathy or like understand what this person would be going through. And I think, like I think, I think anyone anyone can understand that, Like we are just real people and like you know, when we like you know, are walking around and they want to say hello, and it's and

it's it's lovely. I think I think people are very respect very it's lovely and especially because you're you're doing, you're having a positive impact on people. You can't be mad at someone, you can't be mad or like upset that someone's going to tell you that like you had a positive influence on their life. You know, it makes me happy and smile every single time. Every This actually dovetails nicely into my I don't think so, honey, So should be transition though it Oh my god, this is like, guys,

this is like lip sinking for my life. Like better get a fucking legendary legend star after you're getting one. You're getting one. Everyone gets one. It's it's like a participation trophy, which it often was on Drag Race. Don't even really I mean that it was just like right there for me. Okay, So this is I don't think so funny. Is a sixty second segment where Bowen Yang, Matt Rodgers, that's me and our guest today that happens to be Cody Riggs, b third co host Energy All

the Do Not Day. We um all take a minute to rant against something in culture that deserves to be absolutely dragged and bow and I do have something. Okay, this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think sonny, his time starts now. I don't think so, honey, the way that we did and hait like if you really look back to the beginning of when she became super famous, it was extremely homophobic. And then when she was having struggles with her mental health, like she was derided and her

career was basically destroyed. If you look back at her work, like taking out the way that she passed completely like this was an incredibly talented actor, like watch birth Watch six Days, seven Nights, watch um, you know, like her entire body of work, so I know what you did last summer. Like there's just so many things that she was in that you forget she was in because she was so in the fabric of movies, like the Psycho Um remake that they did in ninety eight Gus Fans

and the remakeup Psycho Shot for shot. It is so incredibly difficult to do to be iconic and be singular in a shot by shot remix but remake, but she was in a remix, and Hayes was incredibly talented, Like she passed away in a tragic way. Obviously she could have heard a lot of people. But I feel like we have to just remember the positive and not drag these especially women who are having real life struggles. And I just think we need to be more compassionate about

people who are having mental health struggles. This is my I don't think so. And that's one I just I've been thinking so much about, Like you know, obviously, like the way she died was like a sensational thing, Like it was crazy. Who knows what she was going through and she could have hurt someone, and thank god, the woman that who's home that she crashed into was okay, and so were her pets, Like there was very minor injuries.

But you know, I think that this was someone who was very obviously for decades dealing with like serious mental health situations, and I just wish that we always could have been this compassionate, like you think about it with Brittany too. Obviously we talked about it so much, but like I don't know, just leave people alone. And she was like an incredibly smart and talented woman. And it's a shame that she's not around to do more stuff

because she was always good. And talk about someone who was very singular, who had a very specific individual identity and energy as a performer. That's her, and she's we are worse off for not being able to watch more of her stuff. Yeah, that's all that's all really so sad, so sad, but yeah, don't make fun of people that that are that are going through mental health stuff. It's that that's really dark, like literally said that a chromatical ball. Yeah, compassion.

She had compassion for people with mental illness. Because if you, if you, if you twittered like hashtag and has like even after her death, loud Twitter was dark. It was really rough. It's not gonna be good. It's not, of course, because it's Twitter, but you know, just just something to remember the girls dragging her on Twitter. Oh yeah, just just making a punch line out of it, which is

so fun. I think maybe people thought because she didn't die right away that it was okay to make jokes about but um, yeah, because I mean anyway, but yeah, I think this is an important one and I think I'm sure you guys will a great important even this is bonus. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. The Delta sky Lounge having

for tatas and not scrambled eggs. When I want breakfast effort an early flight, and I go to the Delta sky Lounge, which I have heard my place in I have I've built up the credit to have a platinum m X card, so I can what get into the club, the space, the fantasy of the Delta Sky Lounge. Get welcome to the one of Laguardy this morning. And all I wanted was a scrambled egg and two bacon strips. But no, what do I get instead? Egg white and

sausage and pork sausage? No, honey, I wanted a specific fantasy, and you were not able to afford that to me. I loved the cantaloupe, loved the berries, loved the bagel, even had they had a fucking and cream cheese for your nerve. But I needed the scrambled eggs, Like all we need scrambled eggs. Don't make it fancy. Don't give me a little circle, little hockey puck of eggs. I want a nice, fluffy, little mound of egg and cholesterol.

And that's one minute. I think that every Katie listening right now can identify with that one because Delta Sky Lounge complaint. All the kids are Delta Gold, not platinum, not diamond, but I mean Deltas. Deltas are that are that? Girl? Um? Yeah, I will say I, I too, have worked up my points to become a member of the adulta sky Lounge and those fritatas don't look good and just make it. What is the big deal? And no ice coffee in the Delta Lounge. We need ice coffees in the Delta

Lounge period period. People are turning this off. It's true that it's crazy they don't have it. Like I said, it is crazy, they don't have it. They don't have ice coffee. No. I mean you can make it. You could make it, but you know that's the worst. Don't don't walk around with us. You make it before they get before they get CoFe. Listen, I'll take a Celsius, I love a self. How did Celsius become that girl? Like she really became that girl out of nowhere? Which

here's here's what happened. Jonah Hill was fucking chugging them on the set of Don't Look Up, and then he recommended it to everyone. Leo, Meryl Streep, you know, fucking caplain if this is how she became the girl. Literally, I think this is part of I think Jonah Hill, I'm not I'm not I'm not even lying. This is t like Jonah Hill was like their brand ambassador, wasn't even getting paid. He was just like, this stuff is amazing. I don't crash. It's the flavors are cute. I don't.

I don't crash. I think someone. I think it's because someone told me you don't crash on these, and it's placebon and I just believe in my body is probably yeah. Becca Becca confirms they have a Starbucks machine to make hot lattez, but no ice. It's not Europe. It's like they sell it at the grocery store now. They sell big, big, big things of ice coffees crafted that even. I also feel like most gay people who drink ice coffee, we know this. They are Delta, like most gay people are Delta.

I feel I think Deltas get the gay airline, right, yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's just that's something I'm surmising. These Delta, these Delta sky lounges have some like there was a family bathroom, which like whatever, like if you like meet someone there then right, But there was literally at LaGuardia, at this room next to the family bathroom that I open because they need to go to the bathroom, and it was just a sink and a chair and a hand dryer. There was no toilet, and I go, oh,

this is just a fucking room. This is just a room for fucking, which which is actually very queer. And if they can do that, then might not have the ice coffees. But what status do you have to be to get into that bathroom? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Good questions. Yang hooked up in the Barcelona airport. Congratulations, it was it was crazy. It was so, it was it was crazy. I was felt like it was in a porn Now anyway, oh all right, you ready? Boom,

okay bone Yang? Are you gonna are you gonna time him all time? All time him? This is Cony Rigsby's I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so honey. Be real, Okay, I have enough social media apps on my phone. I don't need any more distractions. Um. Also, I'm a millennial. I like things to be curated. I like things to be creative. I need a little bit of face to him. I need a little bit of filter. So please, no be real, No,

be real. I I scroll every day. Is depressing, it's doomsday, it's political news. I don't need to see you and the guynecologist. I don't need to see your hot like you know, I just don't need any of that. And let's be honest, be real. Are you being real? Because the rules have changed. You used to be able to upload your be real within a limited amount of time, and now you can be late to your be real? Is it? Is it? Be real? It's sounding a little be fake to me. The Fairy the Pines affairries right

picture and they wanted me to be in there. Be real. It's the worst picture I've ever take. Be real about his ellis Taylor Swift. I can't believe this one, and that's why admitted on that. But it couldn't help. But throwing one last jab at her, at our queen, I have to say, be realist getting more boring. It's not it's not last thing, It's not. It's like, you know, the tail is oldest time, Okay, period period. I think

I think you know. Cody is being honest about the fact that part of the fun of other forms of social media is that you do get to curate, You do get to have some control over over what you show people, which is both the joy and the curse of the whole thing. Everybody wants attention. Everyone wants to show off, so like, there you go. But I will say though, like, because you don't have to do it within those two minutes, you can decide I'm just gonna

be late today and curate something. So it's not like it's giving you no opperty unity to curate, but it's answer that's the but it is And this is of what it is because we were because it could be real. Happened on Cromatical Ball day, like right before we we left with the concert. But our friend Patrick goes, I'm gonna take mine at the show, and I wanted to

be like, well, that's not that's not being real. But also, where the funk are they at be Real Headquarters that they know the Gaga concert is happening in New York City that night and they're like, yeah, let's do it at two fift pm. Stupid fuckers. I don't think the people that be Real Headquarters know or care that chromatic A Ball is happening. Well, they need to hire more queer people then, And this is what I'm saying is be Real obviously doesn't have queer people working there. Hire

more queers now more. It is it is. It is for gen Zers mostly theory on that, but maybe maybe they're getting tired of it too. Is there anything below gen Z like younger Jan Alpha? Is that what they're called? You told me that. That's what you told me that that's what they're called. I'll find. First of all, don't point at me with your finger. You can take your finger and you go pointing at someone else if you have the big attitudes, because you have an attitude, it's true,

it's which that's the chicest name. Yeah, it's really good until you get to gen Omega, which is like we'll be we'll be gone by then we'll be dead. Mama. There, they're gonna start sounding like co variance. It's gonna be O Macron generation. I'm gonna say, yeah, I remember what overcron meant something different, Matt. I think I put too much pressure on our guests to be third co host energy, but I think more And you want to know he's

challenged us. He challenged us. That's what it was looking I'm dancing if you could see him now, Katie's so much happened on this episode. Fandom name, we were talking a we were challenged. Oh once the chromatical Ball and even though we were jet legged from our trip to Chromatica, we still came through about I think the three of us all had travel days today, right, We all came back from the place or had to go someplace else. But Cody, you traveled yesterday. Oh yeah, just want to

fire on for the day. Wow, it must have been nice. I'll take it out of you. Literally, I woke up this morning. I was like, oh, thank you for coming out and took my whole life last time. Yeah, this was a fun app Thank you baby, thank you for having me. We finally made this happen. I feel like we've been talking about this for like months. Yeah, by popular demand and after my Yeah, yeah, it's just that is what it is. So we made it work. Um, we love you. I can't wait to see your next work.

When the light hits you just right, baby, I'm always going to find that light. You will. Well. We end every episode with a song unique I'm the bar star uniforn is the uniform you put on when you perform. Okay, off book on the record, No no, no, I'm off book. Unheated. At the end of he did tip tip tip on hardwood floor. Some of it just some of it. Tip tip tip on hardwood floor, tross the floor, or give me face based based based yeah face card never God period.

Eat it, eat it, eat it, eat it. I can't rest but listen to Eat It by Beyonce. Bye Bye Bye