“Nota Bene” (w/ Mike Birbiglia)

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I think we can switch the count of lovely straight male guests that we've had on the show on two hands.

Now skyrocketed with this one. I just wanted too, he and I think that that that warrant celebration, like well, by the way, you know, I have got my coke sharrow in front of me, and of course it says bro and that had to be cosmic. Absolutely. I have to tell you, I'm a little distracted because Bone and I were eating something spicy today and our stomachs are in a place, and I think it put me on a bad moon or on a call we just had, And I'm concerned about the way that I actually.

My I admired you on that call. I mean you were you were sort of like it wasn't directed at anyone. It was kind of a rallying cry to get the whole team everyone on this zoom on the same page about something.

Readers Katie's publicised by all those Kyle's, you know, Like sometimes it's just like you get frustrated and it has to come out like.

And I don't even I don't like being like I had a moment like that this morning with you, before we with me, know, with just the people in the room.

Yeah, and I was just like I was just exasperated. I think sometimes you get to a certain point where you're just like I have to vent frustrations and it's it's hard because like I feel like my modus operandi every day is like cheerful, want to leave places better than I that I came in. And then but sometimes you get a little human moment and your stomach is heard from reading something spicy, and things are kind of like getting to you and you express.

Can I point out something else? Your em O lately has been to say the full modus operandi rather than abbreviating it to m O. Because this is I think the second time this week that you've said the full modus operandi, And.

Can I tell you every time I say the expression modus operanity, I'm like, I think this is right, it is, it is right, you know what it means. I actually did it. I didn't know that. M oh yeah, I just I've literally been thinking of them as.

I kind of love that for you, that you're saying the full that your modus upper randy, You're you're tripling the vale the syllable count.

I think it's such a beautiful phrase, modus upper randy. Think about like the peaks and valleys of that.

Of course, you know what I want to kind of work in which is so insufferable as NB or not to benh What does that mean? Like you know, like when like when someone writes something and then go n B as in as in like A, it's like A, it's like a PS. But it's like within the same paragraph. It's like I went to the store today NB. It was crowded. You know, I don't know about n B. No whateever uses Well anyway, that's Latin slash Italian. And we have an Italian legend with us in the room. Truly,

This maybe see this is why this fate and karma in the air, because we have one of the we have a we have a scholar on the Catholic Church.

He met a pope, met a pope, maybe met the last great one?

Can I say that now that more and more comes out about Leo.

I Also, I know that I'm saying this from like a place of like having an upset stomach and also like a little bit ornery because of your ornery. I had a thing today, But like, what the fuck did people expect with them?

No?

No, no, I'm not surprised. It's just like it's so funny. It's so funny the way that like popes are like ripe for like literal adulation from like internet people like, oh my god, that the new pope.

It's like, let's get together and watch the conclaven like what then be Immediately then you find out that they're Catholic. It's like you're you're can I be real, Like this's never gonna change, Like you're never gonna the pope is never gonna be like, yeah, I think gay guys should rock the fuck on. That's never what the pope is gonna say now.

But we liked We liked Francis because he was kind of like gag guy should rock the fuck on and then still used slurs in a literally in a way that made me go I like him, really made me go, that is hilarious.

Gene. Okay, I thought I forgot about that. It's as beautiful as modus operanda. Absolutely.

Well, anyway, our guest is a real legend, truly, truly. This is his fourth Netflix special, The Good Life, The Good Life.

It's really sublime.

Might have shed a tear, but that's because I was at serotonin zero when I watched it, and that's exactly where the state in which I should have watched.

I probably was like, my serotonin probably was a little bit higher than that. But I also cried, Oh, I mean it's yeah, there's an incredible storyteller. It was a sensitive, amazing man.

Cute guy, guy, not bad, not bad. I'm not bad to look at either.

Well, don't make his head explode, everyone, please, Well, Miclia, this is the best introduction of the podcast I've ever seen. Was it? Cute guy, not bad, not bad? No, Hey, hey, hey, it's great to have a front runner front title of app.

His modus operandi operan di Do you see die or D?

I guess Latin is D die?

I think die? I like to get in the Latin in You like that? Modus operandi?

Can you talk to us about your current modus operandi?

My current modus operandi anything the mode of working. I guess is I'm in writ a writer space right now. I'm writing my next movie.

Yeah, yeah, how is okay? And can you share what stage you're out with it.

I'm at the stage of like, I want to film it next spring, and I've written drafts of it and I just want to get it to a point where it's an ensemble where all eight characters are like lovely and it's very like Don't Think Twice. And yeah, we've all talked about Don't Think Twice a bit because.

It mirrored the NYU improv life. I mean in that movie. I remember I told you this one I came on the podcast. I'm sure you guys spoke about you Don't Think Twice as well. Like it shook me to my core when I first watched it, because I was like, I remember, it was like, I don't know how you felt.

We've never really talked about that. We hadn't really talked about Don't Think Twice.

Ye, maybe because it was a sensitive subject at the time, but like it really scared me. I was like, Oh, there's no way I'd be that much of a dick to my friends as the character you play in that movie. I was like, I don't know if this is like a depiction of what our community is really like. And then you go through that experience and you're like, oh, yeah, all sorts of humanity can come out, you know.

Yeah, it's like an interesting life experience of like the first time for me, it was like in my thirties when you realize, like life isn't fair, like not everyone gets the same thing in your group of best friends from college exactly.

But then as this new film a lovelier bunch than the Don't Think twice group, you would say.

It's an I think mixed bag. Oh, I think it's it's a fun ensemble film. I'm really excited about it. I don't even know if I'm going to be in it. Like I'm excited to just write and direct and making movies is so fun and I just love it.

I love I'm obsessed with movies.

I think that's my My lost cultures is kind of like way in movies we watch, for example, like we watch Wicked probably seven or eight times.

She would lose her mind if she knows I knew I was here right now. I don't think the kids care about me.

No, she cares, and she watches SNL and I think maybe you've been on it.

As a cake. Is it possible I have not been.

Huge folks cross over to That's huge for her, Yeah, and the same way that it's huge for me, because can I tell you the thing that breaks my heart about my summer is that I can't line up with the shooting dates.

Damn it.

I guess I gotta whatever it's got to. It's gotta wait, but it's coming back.

There's something you know, who I feel like would connect with kids and clearly has is my There's something very like infectious about his energy and childlike about it that I think, like.

To my daughter, Mikey is like my Steve Martin. Like sometimes I'll explain to her, I'll be like, so the way you see Mikey is like how I see Steve Martin, and she kind of gets it.

I think you have this joke in the special where when people stop you on the street when she's with you, like a big fan of your comedy whatever, when they like when they like throw praise at you in passing. You know, you finally asked her one day, like how does that make you feel? When that happens? And the spoil it and she said, well you you say it.

She goes, it's a waste of my time. Right, But then and I got, that's the mean thing name has ever said that.

And I know Bill Burr, great joke. But then when someone called me the other day and they go, who's like a friend of Bill Burr And they're like, hey, I think Bill Burr might have some concerns about that, I'm like.

It's a compliments. You think he's a sweetheart, I don't know. The reality is he is. For so is like, you know, he's a ballbuster, right, That's the way it ran to me, And I misunderstood. No, no, I think let's just okay, we can just address this here and now. Let's address it here and now Bill Burr is one of the

Of course I overthink everything, so this person says this to me, and I go, well, what do you think he'll say?

They go, well, he might call you. I go, well, if he calls me, here's what I would say.

I would go if it wasn't your name, it wouldn't get a last exactly. It's like, that's that's the meaning thing anyone's ever said to me.

And I know Chris Rock, he doesn't have that persona.

Mean whereas other other Yeah, and there's something about the ear hit of Bill or that the sound of the pop pop pop. But then you say that your daughter okay, and I believe that your daughter has said to you that that is a waste of It's a waste of her time. It happens, But does she understand that, you know, her dad, being who he is and doing what he does, ends up like is the reason why she gets to go to Rome, or that he gets to be in a Taylor Swift music video or something like that.

Does she can connect to it on that level?

I'd like to think so, But you know, it's like you and I make the joke in the special it's like we're My parents were not physically affectionate with me, and like Jenny and I are the opposite, which I'm gonna we'll find out what problem actually is when she's a grown up, right, So it's like you know you're messing up something and you just try to do your best.

I'm starting to see like a micro generation under us, like we know people, okay, perfect example, friend of the show Natalie Roder Lateman, and then another friend of the show, Celeste Jim says the reason they love Natalie so much is because Natalie is someone who is a product of their parents loving them so much. And she's just this wonderful, chill, like just like care free kind of person and in a way that is like so unfettered, and I feel like, hopefully that's where gonna ends up.

I think so.

Yeah, I'd like to think for her to be able to say it's a waste of my time, hilarious.

Yeah.

I showed her the trailer the other day and then this week I'm gonna show her some clips kind of easy. Some of this stuff is a little over age ten Yeah, you know what I mean in terms of in terms of like heaviness or in terms of heaviness. I think, yes, the stroke stuff is pretty heavy. Yeah, this is for people listening like it's about my dad having a stroke and kind of yaling with that and yeah, it's pretty heavy.

Mm hmm.

Would it play the same in every iteration that you would do the show? Where like there are there are these really quick shifts in room tony even not even just like your tone as a performer, but like the room hush falls in the room so quickly and then you immediately break that and picks back up. But like, what did you see the peaks and valley every time in the same way.

It definitely varied and over you know, over time it's like calibrating how do you signal to the audience and quickly that I'm gonna say something serious?

Yeah. Yeah, A lot of it is like honestly just silence.

Like there'll be moments where like I'll just walk stage right and just not say anything.

For a second.

I think at this point my audience is like they kind of know from the old man in the pool and the new one that like that's in there. Yeah, and that's like actually, like one of the coolest things about making these shows now is that like it's not out of nowhere to there's drama.

I feel like the drama in the past is always I don't know, maybe my memory is bad, but it felt like it like lived a little bit longer. And in this one, it feels like in the Good Life. It feels like it's the rhythm. The cadence is like a little bit more contracted in a way that I'm like, oh, this is really interesting, Like you kind of like toggle between them in a quicker way.

I feel like that.

Yeah, I think part of it is my other shows were about kind of pain that I experienced in the past, and this one, for the first time, it's about pain I'm experiencing in my present. My dad is like still hanging on after having a stroke fifteen months ago. It's like it's devastating. Yeah, Like it's like every week it's just really really hard.

And we have moments. Right, It's like, and I talk about that in the special.

Is like going to celebrate his eighty fourth birthday, was beautifully surrounded by his children and his grandchildren, and like I gave him rosary beads from the Vatican that the at the last Pope blast and it's like, I mean, I'm hoping that that's the rawness of it, Yeah, is what connects with people, and you guys are saying like you're a little choked up from It's like I want that to be the case. Yeah, I think like I think the for me, like the comedy that I connect

Brooks movies or like.

Like even this weekend, like we were watching because it's on Netflix now because four seasons Tina Fey's Great series on we watched The Originalist week and so I'm just so choked up something about those seventies movies that like Rex.

Me, Yeah, what's your favorite James L. Brooks broadcast news?

Absolutely and in terms of endearment number two terms is wild.

So I have a question though, because you talk about like how there wasn't a lot of affection from your parents, like were you always someone? I have two questions. One, you went to Georgetown, right, Yeah? Do you think if your parents had hugged you more you still would have gone to Georgetown? No? Probably not right? Right? So that thank you for answering that question. So in a way,

I think I found it when I was a kid. I would write like poems and songs like I have these ridiculous like a joke book, a poem book, a songbook, and then my you know, I still have and they're ridiculous, and I had no real outlet for it. I did a little theater in high school, and when I went to college, I auditioned for the improv group and I

Yeah, I love it.

I'm a bad friend and I have yet to be a one of those, but they've asked me multiple.

Cots do it.

I would love both of you come let's do you guys got to come Uprose. It's we've been doing We've been doing with Josh Sharp and Aaron Jackson. It's it's been like it's so fun.

Yeah, I'm afraid of that one. But it's too I feel like the Bellhouses it's too big. It's amazing.

It's like that feels weird for a second, but then it kind of becomes part of the bit. The thing with them and the thing with like I feel like it's got to be with PDD two because there are such little joy bubbles I feel like is it's like

Yeah, even because in high school, was it like a team structure, was it a ladder or something? In tennis, yeah, yeah because you had because you had like a wrestling thing too, or.

Tennis and soccer. Those are my high school sports.

And in all those situations, it's just there are so many opportunities for someone to be like, hey, you're not good at this or something, just making me.

Feel one hundred percent.

And also I think you most people me, I didn't have the presence of mind in high school to be like, they're right, I should relax, you know what I mean, Like when you get older, you're like, no, no, you should relax. Yeah, like that's how you do things.

Well, you can't tell a teenager or a young person to chill out.

No, they don't have to. They can't do it. Yeah, it's like they haven't experienced enough life to not know that it's end all be all right.

That's why it's so weird when you see someone who's like fifteen years old and they're like amazing at a thing, yes, and you're like, who told you?

But you know they how do they know? They're so fucked up later in life.

That's why I love like Queen's Gambit though, Like I was watching that recently the first time, late to the party, Like it's fun to watch a prodigy, Yeah, even though it's fake, you say, it's fun to watch, Like, oh, what would that be like if you were a prodigy you get.

Addicted to drugs.

That's one of the few pieces of media where it does depict the full arc of prodigy and then it all falls apart, right, yeah, and then comes together and then comes together, which is yeah, which is the best case, thank god, thank god.

It's also really interesting because different adults relationship to her power and success. It really is. Really it's very good at exploring that as well, you know what I mean, like her adopted mother and then you know, like all the things that go on with that. Yes, it's yeah, really that like that actually was way better at it was about so much more than that one situation. And I got great art that made.

Me think to watch show my daughter searching for Bobby Fisher the other day, I've ever seen oh wow, great one. Yeah, And then the other to day for my daughter's ten birthday, five person sleepover, and they watched Clueless. Oh no, some of them had, some of them had DoD They like it.

What do they think? I think they loved it? Oh good.

Oh that makes me so happy to hear, because I'm like, does this will because one of my curiosities is will this work on a younger A way younger generation. Yeah, and I'm so glad to hear that it has or that it might.

They seem pretty happy. I think I think it will. Wonder we want to know why, because what's what makes that movie work so well is that it's a shared language in the movie that like you may not understand, but they understand itself.

Fantasy is so fun. It's such a fun world. Yeah, it really is.

There's definitely some things over the over the kids heads. Sure. I remember watching it the first time and being like,

And also Alicia Silverstone just in like a magical period. It's something sometimes stars are having it, like Valkilmer is a good example passed away recently. You look at like real genius. You just go, I don't know what was going on.

Something was something was happening. Yeah, with Valculmer in that movie is like magic is that person?

Yeah, it's so aligned with the era. Yeah, it's when it Yeah, it's when a performer isigned with the era. But I mean it's like.

Tom Cruise, like risky business, just like I don't know what you're doing.

Yeah, but I would say Lindsay Lohan too. I was gonna say I was just saying and like who else for like a for like a longer period that was like a five six year period.

But I was just so Aaron Stapplindsay Lohan is fantastic and my daughter loves, oh my god, the best.

Yeah. Have you seen this play? John Proctor is the villain. I wanted to make sure I brought it in today and they can even use this. It's about a classroom in high school in twenty eighteen, who is reading The Crucible under new eyes amidst me too and everything. It's fantastic. Oh, we'll go see it for sure. But it got me in a work. Oh she was one of the best. Abigail Williams is in The Crucible. Oh yeah writers another one.

Yes, magical in that era like be Beatle, Juice, Heathery, Yeah, Age of Innocence. This is the thing I always have to remind myself about living in New York. Sometimes you with New York, you're like too many people, this is just too many people. But then you see a show like that you go, oh, right, like we we went for UNA's birthday to see Wicked. After She's in the movies at times and I'm just losing it, like dancing through life just like.

That ending unbelievable. That's me gets me.

But what you're saying, there's too many people in New York and there for you don't want you want to go and go to the theater.

Exactly, We're going to take advantage of what we have to it. Honestly, I'm on my kick again right now. Obviously it's like it's like Tony sees it, well now you have more time time soon. But and I'm seeing a lot, and I try to only come here with like the highlights because I see a lot. So I

It's like which we would still gladly see you know what I'm saying, But you never know what like mainstream theater is going to do, of course, But they've been impressing me every time I've gone out lately.

I'm just like really excited about what's on stage. Love, I love, good night and good luck George? What else? What else is upright now?

As you see, I'm not the person to ask this is your guy, But now that I've got time, I've said the things I love.

Okay, you know what I mean? Yeah? Yeah, are you read the subtag? Read the subtext?

Are you pre dreading the questions you'll be asked about the Pope and about how this special kind of presciently focuses on the pope pre.

Conclave, pre election. Yeah, it's like it was like a year ago.

Jim Gaffigan calls me, who was on behalf of Stephen Colbert, asking me to go made the Pope.

But I was very torn.

It was older boy as a kid, and you know in the eighties like Spotlight. You know what Spotlight was about? Literally in Boston, Yeah, Massachusetts. That was a movie that

He like, look, yeah, he just googled comedian. And he's like, I'm a bit of agodio. It's my he's got to be here. We gotta make sure he's in the room.

But uh, you know, as far as popes go, he was pretty good, I thought, right, And yeah, he bus gay couples and he was open. This is what would Big Goldberg pointed out because she was one of the people who was there with us. She was a big fan of Frances. He welcomed divorced couples back into the church. I was like, we weren't welcoming divorce.

Like what I did not get the memo on that one.

But then, but then when I was there, there's a lot of talk when with the insiders of like we're a little worried that it might be a conservative pope because the international side of the church is sometimes very

I mean, all I know is with the way that queer media was up in arms about him being not up in arms, but you know what I mean, Like people had something to say and expressing disappointment about him saying that marriage is between a man and a woman, And unfortunately, I would I would remind those people, this is the Catholic Church, Like it's kind of that's that's what that's their modus operand so it's it's like, I don't know, maybe I was more irritated at it being like a news itemdline.

There's might take on all major world religions because I like to disrespect, disrespect.

All religions equallyam is.

I think a summit we could have it, the three of us call a summit all the major world religions. We'd like to talk about sexuality and gender.

How do you feel about gay people? How do you feel about women? Yeah, there's like open open forum, talk about it. Reality. Put it on a fucking record, you know what I mean.

But if that's how you feel, put it on the record in front of all these people, and we're going to talk about it. Because I think it's weird that we have this this vague.

Thing like this is kind of homophobic. This is you know, this is sexist. They don't let women be priests.

They kind of do, but only sometimes sometimes in Europe.

It's okay, whatever, and I'm like, no, let's have a summ up.

Yeah, let's record feel and then put that on a one sheet you know what I mean, put it on a Google doc.

Put it on Google doc, and then have lead PR and send that out. Yeah, I DPR, get involved, get involved and send that out to Conde nasten Hers. Yeah. People who are religious of any religion YEA like no, no, we're are our religions. Okay. With women, I'm like, well I've heard some things. Yeah, right, you know what I mean, It's like we're okay with game for something. Yeah, I guess it's like if anyone did gymnastics, you know enough,

Yeah, I mean, every religion is a structure of structured meaning, and then people like seek out meaning in religion and then they just have to like reconcile how much of themselves is compatible with like that meaning. I'm being so general. There actually is.

A good there's a really good documentary about the Pope Francis, who passed away called the man Pope Francis a man of his word, and it was interesting because he actually did like meet with a lot of different religious world leaders about the religion. And I do think that that is at the moment we're in world history. Like I never talked about it this ship, but like no, but like that's what we should do. I think the religion should be that because it's like they have more in

We have to ask you the question of our podcast. We've sort of been dancing around it in several ways, I think, But Mike, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you?

Okay, since I already covered my epiphany of auditioning for an imprupture, it's the movie Jerremyguire, Oh wow, because when it came out I loved it and it made me feel a thing. And then I went and studied screenwriting at Georgetown and my professor John Glavin taught it like it was a text, like it was a book in a class. We read the script, we watched the movie, we broke down the beats, and I started to understand, like, oh, this is not magic, and this is not just a

But make you feel something like that's a great feat. I I'm so glad you said that. Yeah, he has he has formative stuff.

Formative with dry Maguire one of the one of the first movies we got from Blockbuster. I think way too young to be watching it. Yeah, sure is watching Tom Cruise, fuck Kelly, Oh my god.

Yes. I was like, don't ever stop sucking me as we stop, and then and then later and then later.

Post eat like no, no, no, like like eating something strawberry.

No no, she like disnounced them. She goes, I'm gonna get some fruit.

It's like a tight, close up, tight sing along Kelly Preston so crazy Wall.

Yeah. But that movie Mede, Yeah, kind of a perfect movie, a perfect man in many ways. And also you know what I was just thinking, so many elements come together to make it good. Like the song Secret Garden. Oh my gosh, fuck off, I know.

Y right.

On the radio, they would play that song with clips you had me at Hello. Literally I would be listening to like whatever radio station one to six point one b L when I was younger, and like they would play Secret Garden with Renee doing it. And they also did that for Sometimes My Heart Will Go On in titan Y. Yeah, there was certain movies they did this with, and it was always always those like emotional peaks of

I think, oh that song's great, so good, and so many of those songs. But I was gonna say the last time that like maybe I'm maybe I'm misremembering this, but I feel like with Star is Born, when they would play either Shallow or like always remember Us, this is the way they would cut in some bits from A Star is Born.

It was like there was a there you could listen to, like the radio version of Shallow, or there was like a movie version. And you know what you're thinking of is at the end when it's I'll Never Fall. They sometimes will at the end, she's like singing the last chorus, and then they'll cut to him doing it from the movie and that way, which is what it is in

Other thing about Jerrey maguire is like it has a love story that's not perfect, it's kind of beautiful. It is beautiful because you're just like at the end, you go, well, maybe they shouldn't be together.

I don't even know.

Yeah, and you're like, that's kind of sweet, like they're they're taking the leap together.

Of course, talk about the other kind of unless it's hard to capture with language, like talk about the magic that you felt watching it growing up, that like was dispelled once you got to college.

The magic was I'm laughing. It's the thing I try to achieve in my shows. It's like I'm laughing, I'm crying, I'm feeling emotions. And then somehow you just think because it's a quote unquote popular movie, popcorn movie, you're just like, well, that's not important. Oh, it's so important.

I know.

It drives me crazy when cultural things that are great are viewed as not important.

Because snobs come in. Yeah, and you know a great example Wicked, the original Broadway production.

People always say this. They're like, you know, it's been running for what twenty years or whatever. It's like the first reviews were like snobby. They're like, it's not good and it's like, well, actually, let the audiences decide, because audiences are crushed by it. Yeah, I am crushed at the production of Wicked.

I'm just like crying.

Yeah, my wife and I were crying and are you know our daughter.

Was just like great, you know what I mean, I'll never forget you. She loved it. She loved it, but it's not like that, not like that. Well also because not for nothing, but she doesn't understand. She's not old enough yet to understand maybe why. It's like, I think that young girls obviously respond to that movie because of friendship and because of you know, what it feels like to feel outcast or to accept someone and to really

It's not and by the way, it's not just similar to the thing I'm saying. It connects me with Jerry maguire, the imperfection, the drawing out of the imperfection of just being alive and how nothing is cut and dry.

And Tom Cruise has never looked better, never looked better. Also, Yeah, I mean here's here's what I'll say, Fucking Renee. I think Renee is the reason why. It's not even just because of her line deliveries, which are spectacular, it's just it's an example of perfect casting.

Yeah, they the first kiss thing and he's like snaps her bra by accident and he laughs and it's charming.

Tom Cruise Web. Yeah, I'm gonna watch that tonight. It's perfect. You you're you've really.

Jenny and I have my wife and I Jen's a poet and we both have this obsessive thing with movies, which is great.

Movies are like songs.

It's just what you can watch them over and over again, and there's something peaceful about it.

Yeah. It changes your parameters as you're consuming this. Yeah, it's not lost. I'm wearing wearingis shirt that I got a advint. This is one of my favorite movies, Thelma

And by the way, they probably shot it both ways and probably exactly they probably shot it without them going off the cliff.

Yeah, or I don't know, it's a good question. We should find that out.

Yeah, but you know, this has made me realize. It's like you're saying, like, what's the epiphany thing for me in culture? The other one was Maybe Say Anything, which is another Cameron Crow movie.

Because I still say anything.

When I was a kid, and I remember quoting it with Michael Kavanaugh, my best friend, like back and forth.

And doing the this you know that the boom box in the air.

And we were like ten, yeah, I mean, Cameron crow was, I'm gonna come up here and say, Elizabethtown underrated movie.

I love Elizabeth, I love this, I love that. I think it's so.

I think Elizabeth towns great. I think almost famous is fantastic. Course of course, that's just that's really that's quite a good And also he wrote a Fast Times, Oh I wrote, didn't direct it. Oh God, I got it. I think Fast Times classic classic.

There's something wasn't Fast Times. Ammy Hackling she directed.

You Go.

Yeah. So that all these movies, it's like there's stuff about them that Bowen uses this wonderful word serrates them, that makes the memorable like a little bit just literally.

Just like a little bit askew, so slightly off completely.

Like even like for example, like even in Clueless, like you watch that movie and you see the way they're dressed and you think, oh, the early nineties, No, they were dressed like badly and stupidly even for that really, but it's like, it's like, that's not how they dressed at Beverly Hills High School. I don't think, but like, but but it's it's over drawn. You remember, you'll you'll never forget seeing her in that yellow you know it was. It wasn't Vivian West what it couldn't have, but it

I mean, like I'm obsess with that whole seventies eighties movies.

ET is like that, just like I could watch it over and over again. It's super emotional.

You watch ET now, it's like it's an indie film, right, you know what I mean, looks like the biggest blocks like an Jaws feels like an indie film.

Oh Jaws is It's unbelievable that that's a huge of a blockbuster as it is because of how slow moving it is.

Yes, Oho, there's this great story about the director who who did Paper Moon, Bugdanovic. We run Peter Baniavitch runs into runs into Stielberg at like the Boston like Logan Airport, and Steelberg had just shot on Martha's vineyard shot Jaws, and he's like, how did it go? And he was just like, there's a shark. It's a disaster. We don't have the movie. Oh, it's just like one of those funny stories where like they leave the movie set thinking they don't happen.

Yeah, right right, right, right right. They were like, well, this was.

A huge catastrophe, and I think they found it a lot in post in editing, and then it changed the movie industry. Yeah, I mean we had that. We don't think twice to some degree. You know, there's that speech where Chris Cathery goes, I think your twenties are about hope. In your thirties are about realizing how dumb it was to hope. We added that in post because Ira Glass, one of our producers, we were watching the movie and he goes, the audience doesn't.

Get when we show cuts to people, they.

Don't get that they know they're losers or there.

They know they're under the characters.

The characters, they know they're underdogs, and so we would have a we showed it. We did a screening at NPR Downtown and these two these two ladies got up and they were like, it was a feedback screening in the early cut, and they go, we don't like it, and you go, why don't you like it?

Ira goes, why don't you like it? They lose it and what was so funny? We went back to the edit. We're like, they're losers.

They're losers, but like, how come we think it's funny that they're losers?

But they know it? And it's like, oh, we haven't. The characters haven't acknowledged it. They know what they are. Yeah, And so.

We're like, what if we shot a scene where they're packing up and they're moving out of the theater and Chris Cather goes, Your twenties about hoping to thirty is about realizing how dumb it was to hope change the whole screening every like isn't great? Yeah, but also such a smart way to convey all of that. That's a lot to communicate, and you did it. All in that one and that one scene.

Thanks.

It's a funny thing, like even writing my movie right now that I'm writing, it's like you really have to toe the line between how much do the characters get what's funny about them?

That's a really interesting idea. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because like Gilmore Girls is like that super witty right, like they're in on it, but they're almost not exactly they like they they know that they're codependent or whatever. But yeah, and yet to what extent yes or something.

It's like a really interesting thing that you bring up that these women like, we don't like the movie because they're losers. Because I actually think one of the things about Don't Think Twice that shook me to my core so much when I watched it, and now I see it, I see it now looking back, and I fucking love the movie and I appreciate it in a way I didn't at the time because I felt so defensive. Yeah, because I think your movie Don't Think Twice. It really makes you think about yourself, and.

Especially if you were doing comedy in that time, yeah, doing improv and yeah, yeah, like I just.

Remember thinking, like this is a mean depiction of our community. I couldn't believe that your character, I'm gonna use an explicit word that upsets people, but your character calls Tammy Sager's character a cunt, and I remember I was just like, I can't believe. But now I think that that was such a brave, bold thing to do, weirdly enough, because it really showed ugliness and envy and in like a

When I was writing that movie, I was hosting A Q and A with Noah Bombback for the movie While We're Young, I think it was, or maybe it was Fans's I Forget, and I said to Mike, I'm writing this movie about an improv group and they're best friends. One of them gets on SNL and there are some don't I go, but the people giving me notes are like the stakes aren't high enough. He goes, I know, it's the funny thing because it depicted, you know, indicative of all of his movies.

He goes, there's no stakes higher than friendship. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's great. Yeah, as we just sit here and just say the word yeah fifty times. But it's I want this to.

Be our engagement of a deeper friendship between the three of us. Yes, because I feel like whenever I see you guys, whenever we run into each other, it's like, I think there's love. There is, but I'm like, we should spend more time together. Well you you.

Are good with the gays. Oh yeah, the gaze. You know. He is old friends with Jordan Ardino really Gilmore girls. Yeah, this is high school and college friends. Yeah really Massachusetts. Yeah, in California, California to Massachusetts. Yeah yeah, yeah, Jordan's amazing. There's a great writer. He's a great writer. Right. Yeah.

He and I were that in That's great same screen writing class in college.

Oh really, we were close friends.

In high school and then he came to visit me when I was in college. He was at Tough and then he was just like, I just want to go here. Yeah, and so he transfer. We went to college together.

Yeah, where we wanted to go to Georgetown. A lot of not hugs. That's a lot of that's a really number thirty. I don't want to go to Georgetown. That's a lot of hugs. I would say.

I don't want to speak for Jordany, but I think I can say there's.

A lot of It's a lot of, man, it's a lot of enough hugs. You and I both well, we don't have to bring in that's nothing. I don't want to talk about in what you.

Necessarily I was going to say, you and I you not got very different amounts of hugs growing up. I would say, well, it's funny at.

The same school. Yeah, n y U was different. But I think we're I think we were both there for different trauma. That's not related to hugging or not hugging. But I think that something that's so clear is like,

It's funny when you, yeah, if you get into like a petty disagreement with somebody and sometimes they go so hard on it and you and you have to step back and just be like, no, no, we're all just doing our best, right, you know.

But yeah, I agree with you, Like it's yeah, no, it's definitely more better to love more than less.

Right, And even in the moments in the special, I'll say where you're like a huge part of my life is going to children's birthday parties.

I get two hundred three hundred.

Yeah, so like ooh, I can grow up and hear that and think, oh, like my dad is making is like exasperated by this thing that he had to do for me, and he's like, is that something resentful? But no, even in that, you're like, I do this. I show up for my daughter, right, and it's this thing that I can.

Joke about hating because it'll make this room full of people and adults laugh.

Yeah she can.

I think it is so clear with that messages to her, which is my dad loves me.

He takes me to these birthday parties. Yes, show up.

I had to talk through a joke with her the other day that in the special, because it's going to be seen by a lot of people, and you know, I had to be like.

Because there's a joke, I say, doesn't have it? Yeah, that explain that to that because I remember listening to it. I was like, Oh, that's it. That's a that's a pretty rough So I said.

To her, I go, there's this joke and I say, we went to my wife and I went to our daughter's vallet recital, and we're in the audience crying, crying because she doesn't have it. You know.

I go, no, we're crying because she's not going.

Dollar on the lessons and hundreds of hours going to rehearsal and she's not going prop And then I go, I go, no, No, We're crying for the right reasons. And then afterwards I'm squeezing out. You know, you were so fantastic. And she said to me, it's true to life. She goes, Dad, you would say it was fantastic even if I wasn't a fan past that.

I said, that is so true.

You're so much better at logic than you are at ballehet, right, I got, I didn't I.

Left out that last part.

I'm going to say that too when she's fifteen and she tells me I'm garbage, and I'm gonna say I had some candid thoughts about you as well when you were seven that I withheld out of respect.

But I did share with a group of strangers at the Beacon Theater.

But I explained it to Una in relation to I go, sometimes jokes are something that is true, and then something that is the opposite of true or completely not true or a variation on true. And the show the special that I wrote is a series of things where it's like true, not true, true, not true, true, silly true, silly. And then at the end of the movie or at the end I have sometimes a complation with movies. Yeah,

Yeah.

And the true thing about this special is the way a parent loves their chime.

Yes yeah, and understanding my dad and after he's had a stroke and realizing when his defenses are down and he doesn't have the anger that he had before the stroke, that I do think like he meant well.

Of course, that is a whole can of worms, because especially because you know, men as they get older and the estrogen creep up, you know what I mean, Like, it's they get more emotional. I think they get more contemplative, and I think it's just harder for men to look back on being men. Yeah, like, because so much of it is just not cruel, but it's rough and it's speaking to this idea of what a man is, which can never really be justified in the way that we

Yeah, but we talked about that when you were on my podcast a lot with your parents, because you had the challenging stuff, which I really hope you should do a solo show someday.

We'll see. Yeah, that's there. There's there's definitely.

I mean I did even do it underground, so such a jumbled mess of a show. I don't even know what I was trying to do with it, but uh, there's there's something there for sure.

Yeah.

I just I'm still making sense of it and we're still talking about it as as a family, and it's all it's all okay, it's all it's all true.

Do they say I'm proud of you.

Now they do, do they now they do? But it took them a while and and they came to the show a few weeks ago, and just I took them out for Mother's Day and a lovely we have a we have a lovely time.

Now. I also want to say your show was not a mess. You were just you. It was not a mess. You were just in process on you were so in process and the feelings. It's kind of like what we were saying last week about like Marsha P. Johnson not having correct recollection of Stonewall because she was Stonewall. It's like you were literally going on. I was the pit. You were all those experiences and emotions at the time.

That was me squarely in the zone of what I here Glass talks about, which is there's that gap between like the case that you have and like what you can accomplish as someone who makes things.

And so anyway, when I.

Remember doing a completely messy version of Sleepwalk, with me my first solo show, which eventually years later was on Off Broadway and Nathan Lane presented it, and it was just a really beautiful thing that I was lucky enough to do the movie and I remade the movie and it was it was But the first versions of it at UCB were so rough because it was like me just being like, here, here's this breakup I had, and like, like, the emotions are so raw and I've been sleepwalking and

Was this Anthony King who was that I.

Can say he's a great guy Owned Burke and I feel like we've talked about since He's like you figured it out, yeah, But it was funny like sometimes when you were in the wilderness artistically, like it's not because you're not going at the right thing like I was going at like I want to make an emotional show, but.

Also I hadn't figured out the joke side of it.

I haven't figured to your nice thing you were saying about my show is how it's like silences and then jokes and then serious moments and then.

Jokes like I didn't figured that out yet, Sure's I'm also like, I'm really feeling very seen by you talking about like and like true false true false true false, and then it ends on a false or true, like my special the one I've done ends on a false, and I think it's and I'm so happy about it. Yeah, that being said, like, I do think that that's one extension of myself and I want so badly to say something real and true about myself, but it's the hardest

Like some nights I'm on stage and I'm like, like, there's that moment in the show where I go, I didn't have a sex talk when I was a kid, but when I was twelve, I had hard nipples.

Yeah, and suddenly you're exposed out there with your hard nipples again.

Yeah, And I go, exactly right, And so I go, I tell my dad because I thought I was a hypochondriac as a kid, and so I tell my dad like I think I have cancer.

Right, He's like, take your shirt off. We're in like my living room. It's like a truth, completely true story.

What's weird, Actually, I'll tell you the very I'll tell you the variation on it is like I had to take this part out. It wasn't in the living room, it was in his bedroom. But it was so weird because the audience was reading. It's like always got to get les. Yeah right, you had to walk them away

You were being reassured by a doctor and your father.

So the first few times, exactly the first few times I said it, first forty times I said it, I was just like, this is so uncomfortable.

Yeah.

I even had people like in my inner circle creatively be like they got the nipples part, because you do get that sometimes where even people who are close to what your process is or like I think the audience is not here for that.

But then you got sometimes you just gotta be like, no, this is like.

This has happened, because fully happened is like part of the story I'm telling.

But what you're saying with like sleepwalk with me like you were you were in the wilderness. It's like, well, process in general for anybody is just ay a wilderness.

Yeah, yeah, I'm the movie I'm writing right now in the wilderness. Great. Yeah, it's all part of it. Yeah. I think something too, And I think I often when we have like music artists in this chair too, this question comes up, and also with reality stars or anyone that's like exposing the part of themselves, which is obviously anyone in that chair probably is. I don't think I ever really understood the stakes of what happens when you involve a depiction of someone else in your life, and

Is that Like I had people in my life come up to me and be like I'm the character and don't think twice.

Who's the rich girl? Like yeah, No, I was like, no, you're the gilly.

And sometimes they wrong, they're wrong.

Sometimes it guess wrong.

My parents saw Sleepwalk with Me the movie Yeah and Carol Canon James Redhorn as my parents say these lines that literally my parents said in real life, and my and I was worried about my parents seeing it, and they came out of the movie and they go, they're nothing like us.

Mmmm somehow like we can't even see ourselves. Well, yeah, you never can. Yeah, only you have the real bibliography on your experiences with them because you saw it. They didn't see it. They were it right.

Right, But either like someone comes up to you and like validates or like I don't know, like entrenches those things even more where you were like, oh, I like had it was a huge decision to include you in some way in this like depiction of reality, or it's your parents being like it wasn't that was enough. It's like it's it's it's like you can't really even win with that there. It never goes the way you want it to.

You guys have a.

Lucky thing, I think, which is your close friends and you have like a creative partnership with this show.

I think is so lovely because you get to.

Share that people like I love the show, like everyone, like I know tons of people love the show. It's like you guys get that together, which I think is not less lonely. I think we're very fortunate and being a lone wolf I wouldn't do it.

You really didn't do it alone? What do you mean? Like like I couldn't.

I couldn't have my own podcast where I was just kind of riffing on culture and then commenting.

On things and then like.

Like I like you're always my gut check in terms of like do I share this little anecdote.

Yeah, it is. It's it's kind of nice to like it. It's it's really interesting because because we're also so close like that we we have this, we protect the same things pretty much. But also like in terms of like the sharing of it all, like you know what I mean, Like it's also like you can never I can, we can never give everything about like about everything. But you know what I'm saying is it's like it's that's I think that's like why they don't think twice of it all.

Meanwhile, like I wanted to live your life like I when I was at Georgetown, I was like saying to my parents, I want to transfer to n y U and be a theater huh, and they're like, no, you know when.

I got all you got a full net? Well good, I mean, I know it's good.

Everyone wanted to be someone else exact literally still does. But I remember, like I was in school at M y U and I wanted to be doing something else. Everyone's always like, I'm sure you because I was pre mad. Of course I was, but I was doing improv, you know what I mean? Like I wanted to be something else. When I was a kid, I wanted to be like I would. I would be like I want to go

Yeah?

Yeah? And that was probably too big skill can be noted, is that that was something else? Perfectly? Did you ever book a commercial? I'm trying to think.

I think I was a spokesperson for like a cable and internet company in the South for a while.

That's great. Yeah they're not. I don't love it. I don't love it. I don't love it. I kind of wish you didn't. So he has fine, it's fine. Straight up commercial. I never did a straight up commercial.

I went to one commercial audition because like someone at ECB was like, yeah, I'm going, I'm going on this thing if you want to come, And it was so humiliating.

It was really impossible to leave feeling good. And you've become.

Straight and I've become straight, and I never thought that happened.

But Jordan Neardina texted me last night just crying, laughing at the boat inside.

It's the only It's the only one I can barely watch. For some reason. When I watched him make up with women, I have I have an outrage. Why are you? I don't like it? I want you.

A game that gets me is her showing up at your place and you're playing video games two in the morning.

It's so well, by the way, that's I'm then hiding in the last cool threes. So sure, and honestly it is. It is my favorite sketch because it's clearly it's it's like but it's just like we were watching it. We were in his dressing room for the finale, and you were watching it with us in the room.

I wanted to say, I want to surprise Matt with the lostchol Trees to sure.

I wanted to see it so fun. And then he comes in making out with sorry, Check's notes, Scarlet Johansen and I just go like, I scream like it's a horror movie. I'm like, I can't believe it. Like maybe it's.

Because Colch is gonna have a twenty twenty five because it's Lost Culture Awards too. That's right, So it's in that sketch it's Lost Culture Award.

It's gonna be huge. Yeah, I mean we're we're putting it together now and it's gonna be it's gonna be something. Culture is Award. You campaign huge. I'm gonna campaign. What can I do?

What can I do to campaign? Did you guys have a strategy? Hen strategize with me. We can strate yet strategy to do a step one Best dat Award. I'm a brainstorming category was a Daddy Award and the Father Award. Daddy word Father Award and the Daddy Award was won by Pedro Mascal.

The Father Award was uh who who won the father Award last year?

And he wasn't Seth Myers. It wasn't.

I don't think you have to campaign necessary. I think being on this episode of campaign like you're absolutely top of mind with special and with the listeners being and then you're in the mix of y Yeah.

Yeah, I just feel like this was an amazing six straight man to have.

Absolutely, this is this straight mail. Yes, straight is huge. It's the deep honor. It's six. It's not eight. Yeah, it's not eight. It's six or seven. And we're not listening. We don't want to make a big thing out of this, but but it's a big dealer.

Gays, do you feel like gays come up to you on the street they're like, hey girl. I think I get a lot of gays impression.

I think, like the thing that's hilarious about my audience is sometimes when people come up to me there and it's like it's like some like para shaped middle aged ogre dad.

It's just like I totally relate to everything. He's like, come on, I want that. I love the dad.

I know, but sometimes wouldn't it be great if someone came up to you and they're so hot? Like I totally relate to everything you say. It's just like my pilates class. That's why we have the Kyles. Now we have we have a new subsect of a fan community called the Kyles. And sometimes the Kyle will come up and I just can't believe that they almost drop their weight to the gym.

They laughed so hard exactly, which is what they say.

They say sometimes, so you should, you should come up with your own buckets of of your fans like like like like really visualize the person, give them a name and then and then you will start to see them.

But you know what it is. It is Katie. You have a ton of Katies. Yes, yeah, Katie's is twenty eight year old twenty eight to thirty five year old communications major from the Midwest name Katie. They're all named Katie. Okay, so asking them their names.

So I'm most proud of with my audience is I always say like it's age twelve through one hundred and twelve. Like when I see THEE I was gonna say, you are really for a quadrant. Whereas we are people who are constantly approached by men and go, my girlfriend loves you, which is so sweet. But also it's never like I'm a fan, which which is okay.

You know what, though, a lot of them, I've been noticing because they're they're excited to initiate the conversation because their girlfriends are nervous, and but they come up and they initiate the conversation, and I can tell it gets them laid. So they're so excited, and that I think

You know who's great at A great straight male who will all often say how much he loves the show, John ham will Steven, writer of Bonus Straight but sometimes with August right, that's a real ally.

We love you. Well, okay, it's time for I don't think something we're gonna go first, did you type it out? So we wing in here? I have something that you know, I didn't realize was a thing until last night. I was at dinner and I was made aware. And this is rock my world. I can't wait to go after restaurant culture here. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many as time starts now, I don't think so honey.

Well, I mean I feel like they are maybe offsetting that by like no, actually there's no explanation.

I'm only and you know what. It's like, It's like, I'll tell you what. The alcoholics don't miss paying for the alcohol, right, okay, So it's like they might miss the alcohol, they can't have it. They're not missing the prices. Is not like, oh, you know what, I really miss hitting it hard and paying nine dollars for a Heineken. You know what would be great nine bucks for a Heineken zero, which is essentially piss.

They should be like, here's an orange juice and an edible. It's fifteen dollars dollars. Yeah, really good ideas.

Give you something else, yeah yeah, or it's but you know what it's like, what would that even be? I mean, you know, it's like they also, I guess you know what they try to get away with. They're using the nice glass wear too. Yeah, but you don't kid for that. No no, no, no no no, that's not part of the experience. Or you get to keep it. You get to keep it like a souvenir glass. Yeah, yeah, okay. I used to be big into souveneur glass culture. And then I'll tell

But wait, I want to just talk Maru mag and you're talking about LA like you always struck me as pure New York but I am, I am. But you do have this this really good world and worldliness about Los Angeles.

I just like been you know, I've been in show business for like what twenty three years, and so you just you know, where go back and forth and and you know, I have my spots.

I like those Felas Marou. I mean I have places I really like aspirational. Yeah yeah, despirational it is.

But you are in New York, Okay, Yeah, No, I'm through and through New York. I can't imagine living anywhere else. I saw this Adam Got Next Solo show the other day, and he has this beautiful piece where he talks about how his favorite place on the planet is Central Park because it's just this place where everyone is in like a social pact to be like, we're gonna come to this place that's completely manufactured and completely fake, but there's

Park and it's great. It's like that I love New York.

It's like it's like and I have frustrations with it, of course, but also you know, look, we're all in it.

It's so funny coming back to New York and being like a New Yorker again too, because the first thing that happens is you start to be real opinionated about New York. Ship. I am ready to crack skulls about the subway by the way, like I'll get up my one time, I'll get political. I can't believe Cuomo is this far ahead. It's fucking crazy. It's fucking in even following that race? Is he ahead? Oh sixty forty? Oh really yeah?

But like I think it's just it's just name recognition. Is what's kind of it's name recognition.

I've got, I've got I've got a frivolous one frivilla. Yeah, maybe that's a good dragon.

That's a great technically, No, this is what I wanted to say, the only good dragon that I've come up with.

And this is what I wanted to say, the most annoying sentence in the world. This is what I wanted to say. At the end of my Criterion Closet video. My drag name would be Janis Films. Okay, oh, Janie Films.

I just opened my calculator instead of my timer ten million I want or like I just added five million, five million.

You were just brainswimming what Kevin Hart makes movie seven figure? It was like, it's probably this.

This is Bowen Yang's don't think of honey, his time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Do you guys know what I'm talking about? Plastic hooks on gift bags that you purchase at the gift store. You buy a little paper gift bag and there's a plastic thing to make it hook. You cannot take that off, even with all the gorilla's strength in the world, even when there's a perforated little thing there that mocks you because you

Little paper source.

Please find a better way to hang gift bags, maybe I don't know, by these string handles that are already on them. Rather than put a useless single use plastic, might I add element to these things?

And that's one minute? Wow? Really clean? Oh my god? You know what I mean? You know what I'm talking We do. I don't. I didn't even know. I didn't know that they were four hanging. Really I kind of thought it was one of those just annoying things about like there's no classic.

Single used plastic sneak attack because it doesn't even seem like it's part of it.

No, it's like that thing is going to go in a landfill for it.

Absolutely, it's never it's it's or it'll go to our brains. I don't know, Like, you know, what's also crazy when you go to CVS and get a receipt like just talk just crazy to talk about how much how much room it takes off or like how much you don't need it. It's like those receipts are still it's crazy, and I'm.

Like, I'm just gonna throw this out. And they don't even give you the option to have the receipts. And I feel like with these things, it's like what is the what is it?

It's weird, Like I think in our lifetime it has been this thing where we're like we're going to recycle, We're going to save the planet to like the planets fucked.

Yeah, we're not trying, And it's such a bummer. I've never been angrier than I feel comfortable saying this. A few years ago, we were on Fire Island and a friend of ours had a new boyfriend and this, and he walks back to us. We're sitting at the canteen and he comes back and he goes the gaze at the at the at the the docks were so annoying. Guess what just happened? And he goes what he goes, I threw my plastic cup in the bay and they yelled at me like we were like, excuse me, excuse me.

That was That was a moment where I had check my respect for someone proudly proudly being a litter bug is nuts.

I hate littering. It drives me nuts. And also like, you know there's the fish in there, the fish. You know that, you know there's a fishing well, it's what he said. They're gonna die anyway. Oh God, okay kill me then I'm on my way out at some point that that is actually textbook.

I'm sorry to get a little academic here. This is n YU maybe, and I think they taught this at Georgetown as well, metabolic rift theory, where it's it's the human disconnect between the disconnect between between man and nature, and it makes use. It makes it so that you don't understand that this came from something and that you throwing it at the window or throwing it into the water is actually the reason why you are broken as a person and why literally the phrase touch grass is

See it at the end.

You'll see because it could have been on your phone, is micro Bigles, I don't think so many and as time starts now.

I don't think so, honey. Hating on people who try hard, Literally, everyone good at anything tries hard, you know, tries hard?

Tailor you who else? Beyonce? You know who else? Reygun the breakdanswer, I'm.

More suspicious of people who don't try hard, or people who lie and say they're not trying hard when they are. If someone does something amazing and they say it was easy, be suspicious. Not only are they lying about it, they also committed crime. Remember when Anne Hathaway and James Franco bombed so hard hosting the OS.

James Franco just left.

He's a loser and I'm hashtag team anne Hathaway, your hand, Hathaway.

You know who else tries hard?

Fontine and lay mish Cy Andrea Saxony.

Where's God working? From? Her? Intofreest is hard?

She has to show up to work every day, sacrificing a relationship with Adrian Gray is character Nate, who I think is a chef but never has to go to work for the reason that's never explained. I'm reaching the end of my minute, but I want you to know this is my fifth draft of this.

You know what I'm telling you, because if you're a fellow try hard, you deserve to know. Yeah, that's one minute, really good, and you know what, You're right? And I never liked Nate and Devilworth. I never liked this.

It's ridiculous. Outrageous, character outrageous. And this is the thing, this is I'm gonna misquote Dorian Gray. But the people who are not in the arena don't know the pleasures of don't don't know the triumphs, and so therefore how could they know anything about defeat or something like.

That, you know what it is? Yes? And also it's just like it's like you talking about your hard nipples on stage or having strife, emotional strife about being vulnerable. It's like it's because you know it's going to take work to get there, and then you are exposed. And it's like it's so easy for people to be like fuck her about someone who tried. I beIN guess they're trying. I know. It's like I'm so over that.

It also takes so much effort to hate on people. Yeah you got to create a log in.

Yeah you know there's a workaholic Charlie XCX literally noted admitted workaholic always has to work. And it's just like maybe that can help, like people stop being such assholes. It's like someone who's effortless and cool looking is working to be that, you know what I mean? Like I can't stand that because I am a try hard and type a millennial, and it's like for that to be uncool, it's like, okay, ridiculous.

That was a wonderful, wonderful I don't think so, honey. Draft why I do have to ask why why print it printed?

Just because it's like draft over draft over draft, And then I like the paper. It's like a touch draft thing. I like, that's good. You're in a way touching tree. Yeah, I'm touching tree.

But I wanted to. I wanted to get it right.

Because I'm a huge fan of the segment and I just wanted to lay something down that felt that felt true to me.

Thank you. That was really that. I feel like we we're taking it back the narrative. I really did take it because the thing about people that don't try hard having the narrative for a second, they didn't work hard enough to keep the narrative. So now it's just like it's gone. Yeah, you know, power can be wrestled very easily from those who wieled power carelessly and thoughtlessly. What is that from? That actually was our guest last week, Tourmaline.

Also, if we try harder, maybe we'll win the next election. Interesting, I think maybe we need hard enough. Yeah, I think it's part of it. That's probably part of it. It's in the mix, in the.

Mix, it's I think I think it's in the mix. Do you think AOC will win the presidency. I think it's possible. AOC's fire could be pretty cool.

She has a message that hits. I also think Budage is great. I mean it might be controversial.

I love him. Yeah, I don't think the country.

You know, sometimes people oh whatever, they think he's too moderate, this, that, whatever. They think he's trying too hard, they think he's trying too hard. But I like how he mixes it up on Fox stuff like that. I know, like he's willing to he's willing to keep it, willing to go there. And so he's AOC by the way, and Bernie and Bertie and Bernie's obviously kind of a legend. But like, yeah, I think both of those people are phenomenal.

Yeah, yeah, it is interesting. They can catch a wave. Yeah, I think they are catching waves. It's just like I think, after everything that's gone on. It's like, I don't want to be that person that's like, oh, I'm nervous to put up a gay guy or I'm nervous to put up a young woman. Yeah, I agree, you can't be the nervous person. I refuse to be. But it's like there's truly people out there who just solely think I'm a lost because she's a black woman or black Indian woman.

I Also, I think if we knew for a year out the whole thing with people googling day of who's running, Yeah that's real?

Is that really real? Millions of people googling who's running.

And some of us didn't know, okay, and some of us just had to us just like had been remind how busy he is.

I'm busy. I mean, I don't want to hit him.

I don't want to hit Biden while he's down because I'm sympathetic to the hell step.

It's like yeah.

I think there's a lot of things he could have done for the four years also to safeguard democracy, Like there's a.

Lot, I mean, there's a lot going on. Its pandemic, there's.

Luck going but still and just introducing Kamala everyone.

Hey, yeah, hey, I don't think he knew she was there exactly.

I'm I'm one hundred years old. There's this other lady who's fandasdig you know. Anyway, go pick up Jake Tapper's book.

Everybody Episode who, by the way, was shaming people for suggesting that there was something wrong maybe not or maybe not right with Biden for a while.

And there's a book, right, So anyway, I love that. Love that guy. I love that dude on Jake Tapper.

Yeah, love for Jake Tapper's book The Good Life Is Odd Netflix made twenty six.

Yes, you're gonna love it. We loved it. We loved it. I mean, you're just the greatest. You really are such you're one of the pre eminent storytellers. You're just so good up there. You feel so safe when you watch you. You always have and you're getting better to blind you. I love you, guys so much. This is such an honor to be here.

If I could only be on one podcast, it would be this and this whole thing. But this hasn't been so beautiful for me because I love bonding. Also on all of these movies. I know it's like so deep to me. All these movies are so deep to me.

Yeah, Jeremy mcglare is gonna be a good watch for you later.

Yes, I can't wait. Thank you for bringing that in. And we love you very much.

And there is love and there is friendship, and we're all in New York now, so let's let's hand yes when return return.

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Oh email that we were all on. I'm sorry I didn't email. I wanted it this morning. Yeah, it's okay, I'll send you an email. Okay, I'll write about my gerald tonight. We never ever sad of the song. I wish I was off booked to Secret Garden. I know.

Anna to see me because I don't thing the day out understand where everything's.

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