"Most Papal" (w/ Guy Branum)

tadbit so yeah. Yeah. John Michael, who is Joe k and Bistr's boyfriend, was I guess at a function with Joel and one of the co writers of the first Scary Movie, approached them both and basically the sparks to debate among the group chat of which of the movies are good? And someone posited, not even necessarily in the group chat, but someone positive that one is the only good one and the rest are flop and I we have to vehemently take a stance on this program Lost

Cultures and say that is so deeply untrue. I feel that I have first volve. We've talked about na we are it's it's cannon on this podcast. That Scary Movie three, which is of course not the first but second sequel, which is how you know a franchise is a huge success when it has more than one secreel. That's a rule of culture number four. Team. When a movie has that is how you know it's a huge success. And Scary Movie three is the funniest film of all time. It has And you said that, you did say it

to find a generation. I'm not even kidding. I'm dead ass about this. My ass is so dead from knowing this. Can I tell you why I'm upset? I'm upset today because and and it's debilitating. Yeah, I have debilitating sadness today, as you can hear in my voice, because I won't be with you on Thursday at nine pm Pacific Standard time,

when Midnights goes live. Where where will you be? Okay, get this, I'll be at hollow and Horror Knight's absolutely screaming and terror running from hired actors in masks and and spooky garb. Weapons. Weapons. First of all, explain this physics to me. Don't don't give these actors weapons. They have weapons, they have blunt objects. And here's the thing, this has really happened to me. This was really really happened when I went to Universal Studios, Florida, Orlando, get

into it. There. I went into an American horror story themed themed, and a woman who could only be described as Angela Bassett took a knife. She took a knife and did this to me bowen, Oh my gosh, she tried to hit me. And I was like you and as like Angela, I've been a fan, I've been a huge supporter. You don't want it to end like this. You don't want defend myself. And then not only that,

but they were easily seven to ten. Lady Gaga was running around sort of not really trying to strike you, but more posing, which I felt was of course, how many how many Shyanne Jackson's, Evan Peters, you know, Billy Eichner's were there? Oh well, I didn't see any of them. But maybe that's because and this is what my theory is, that that was really Angela in there. So you thought Angela was in Orlando try to stab you. First of all, she's an actress of the stage. This is a great stage.

I'm saying, like, first of all, can I say something to you, don't limit lesbianism. I'm not doing such a thing. You did such a I have doubts that it was the real Angela Bassett swinging a knife. Do you have such doubts performance from amazing. She's so talented, Meryl, you know who else is talented. I was gonna say Lydia Tar,

But can I say, can I say something? So for the first time in a long time, and I always try to honor this, but Matt Rogers put it to the group chat, the other group chat with me and our guest put an assignment out and said, both of you, I recommend both of you go see Tar before we record the episode. And can I tell you, I thought I had a pretty light show this week with Megan

Stallion hosting. Yeah, And I thought I'm gonna have a chill Thursday or a chill Friday after I wrap on this pre tape to go and watch this movie that everyone's been talking about that I can't wait to see. You didn't get to make it. There was stuck in this was stuck in the studio until midnight every night this week. Okay, so I I haven't seen it, that's okay.

And can I tell something. I was looking through your schedule because I of course have two Google calendars, one for me and one for you, and I was like, this is not going to work for him. I don't think I don't think there's enough hours in the day for Bowen to go see the nearly three hours Tar, starring of course Cape One chat as Lydia Tar Lydia. I'm not worried about this. It like like I, you shouldn't be worried. I powered through drive my car last

year on Super Bowl Sunday in Pasadena. Okay, well, first of all, can we just say touchdown on that one? Touched down? And I was really kind of defying American culture on that day by going, I'm gonna watch this Japanese as film, h and I love So I'm not worried about the set, but I am sad that I won't be able to engage in a conversation. I I think our guests might have seen it. He did. So what I said was what I said it just a

minute ago, was you know, who's a talent? And I was gonna say, of course, and I and I guitar did what my brain is want to do since I've seen the film, which is sort of drift back to Tar and then sort of sit and thought, um, but you know who really is talented? But when is our guest and this this this guest, let's just say this. It has really been too long since the guest has been on the show. It's far to shut up. I feel like this is someone okay, and this is honesty Zone.

Give the honesty right now to the readers who depend on you for it. We were a fledgling little podcast for I would say about a year and a half to two years. We were so young then we were. And then our guests pulled us out of the morass into the open clearing where the air was pure and

clean and good. The sermon you're giving right now, I'm obsessed and said, come on my show, pop Rocket, And that was I think that that really, I think that was like the first sort of like warm embrace of like oh here, like here, come in, talk to us. We have this listenership who knows. It'll go from there, And I think that was like that, that was the first like building block into building, like the second story the upper floor of the Lost Cultures, the High Ranch,

Lost Culture Ranch, and it's cut nix. How many floors? How many floors does the ranch have? So High Ranch is very interesting in terms of construction because you go in and then immediately you're you're met with stairs that go up to like a second level, and then there's usually a basic, So technically it's three floors because there is that like sort of area where you decide, shall I choose this mooth this course, it's coco because you can either go upstairs or downstairs, and I don't know

what what's happening on either floor, like what's your CoCom and what's your period? So I don't know. I can't I can't wager to say. But lost culture is that our guest is um one of these stars, and I would say one of the breakout like brightest spots of the film. I could have used more of them, to be honest, not to get not to note, but I could have used more of our guests, of our guests, and more of our guests. The movie is gross, and I'm willing to bat a lot of the katies and

the readers and the publicists have seen. Of course, we spoke about this film a couple years ago, one of the funniest movies of the goddamn year, and it's let's listen.

I I just know from having a little Bertie on set Bow and Yang, that our guest was a major part of that, which doesn't surprise me in the least and this is this is a huge word for me right now, and always say it was cared for because our front, because our guest was there, was being so wonderful, was not was not It was not on the call sheet that day to be on camera, but was there.

And the producer of the capacity writing the best adults, I said, I bet he was excited you were going to be there, and said I'm going down to set today. I have a little line that says congratulations. He made it to the about an administration high point of the film. True, a true guy Random pitched through and through that earned that. That line earned a scream from me. It earned a scream from me. Well, that scream you have Guy Random

to thank for that. Manola darkis more like Minola Manola fagget me screaming at Froz in the theater, the Manola Faget. We have to get our guests immediately. Everyone, please welcome into your ears for for a triumphant returned to Lost Culture. Please welcome right up. Thank you so much for having me. Good to be here. The light of Lost Culture Rasis

has shown bright from its first moments. It needn't know how um those found it um so much to say, Like, I just love the idea of Angela Bassett taking a break whatever prof she's on for the month of October to reconnect herself with her craft. The immediacy of her craft, umplely was so repped up for a full on three way to our conversation. I was in Davis, California for parents weekends for my niece Olivia, well known, wonderful individual. It was like, oh, ship, I have to go see Tar,

but it is only opened in major cities. So to drive down to San Francisco, um no for like again two hours and forty five minutes of Tar, at the end of which I was like again, like it was like a ride. I was just like, give me more of this, You're you're gonna be obsessed. I left. I left feeling a little different. I left being like, what the funk was that? And it marinated in me and then I realized, like probably twelve hours later that it was I think actually the only relevant art I've seen

in years. Oh my god, Like, what what is what is Todd Field? Just the whole idea of like, what is this man who like mix in the bedroom disappears for ten years, Um Children disappears for sixteen years, and then comes back with this, which like, uh, it was a wonderful experience that has electrified me. Um And it's so good to get to see you guys. What a

what a lovely way to round out a weekend. That's lovely and you're now you're in newbu City, I mean Uba City, prune capital of the world, because you guys know well, I now have an intimate relationship with the California Prune Board, for which I am an ambassador and speak highly of. You know, the delicious, charm and sophisticated culture of California prunes that people should indulge in whenever they have the opportunity. I don't think I could tell

you what a prune even taste like. I've enjoyed a prune. I bet you have that really tracks bow I have. I like a prune. They're rich and jamny and whiney. Now tell me I don't want to muzzle any tar

conversation between the two of you. I'm happy to listen. Well, okay, so there will be no spoilers because it's also likes it's also not about that, so so Basically what I love about this movie that took me a second to realize because you leave the movie and I feel like in most circumstances, like you leave a movie and you think,

what was that movie trying to say? And I think that like this is this film is about this essentially like comically like awarded and celebrated conductor and musician Lydia Tar who's played by Cape Wenchat, who is about to conduct Maller's fifth and it's like it's like they're going to be the crown jewel of her career and it's just this like fever pitch of celebrating this individual at

the height of her career. And basically what the movie is is you witness her fall, her cancelation if you were. And what I loved about this movie is that it truly makes art of the question can you separate the artists from their art? And in that what I loved about it was in leaving I was like, I mean,

I was so ahead of that movie. It felt like that movie was depicting her as a monster from the beginning, like that that that I didn't like her, and in hearing that other people have felt so differently than me.

Only then was I able to understand that what this movie and Kate, who is fucking perfect, It is so brilliant at and top field is it just played the truth of every single situation, which made walking away from the movie and thinking about it in this regard sort of a roar shock for where you're at on that question of art v the artist creating it. And it

was really really interesting and really well done well. There's also something so lovely about doing a movie about masculinity that was not about a man, just just sort of take like taking on like masculinity and patriarchy and power and everything that goes on there and then hanging it not on a dude, so that it is the same story we've seen a thousand times now, just litigating are

they bad or not? And was and and also sort of having a film that was that enormous off of one performance, like the other people in the race, but this is like this is saving private Brian Storming, Normandy just it's just one person. But just Kate touching her ear. She she is she is towering. I mean, like the the the way she's a genius. It really can't be overstated. I mean I think I think our greatest living actor, I think, and I say that having mentioned Metal Streep

just minutes ago. I mean, this is this performances. And the thing too is it's a very difficult, complicated performance that isn't trying to make you feel anything. It's just she is playing the truth, and that is what that is so important in this movie. I feel like if there if there's any danger for her award season, it is just that it is such a complex and very It's not like it's you're playing an unlikable character. It is such a complex and very performance that there is

just huge amounts of unlikability there. Well you know, I mean she's not a good person. But meanwhile, Eileen Arnos was a saint and that's what Harry Charley's over to her oscar when. But even a movie like that like sort of asks you to sympathize with her, this does not.

This is just like it's just really and and like even the edit was interesting, like from from the jump, it's a fascinating movie that actually demands rewatch because Bowen, when I say, it ends so bizarre that you have to leave being like huh, a delicious ending that you will enjoy more than most people. Yeah, but when you're gonna love it, you're gonna really you really are what makes you say this? Because it's because it's insane. Okay, great? Great?

I have to say, when I was in Toronto for the Trano in a national film festival, I hold in every string I could to get to see um The Fableman's and I am fascinated to see what you boys who think about and understand acting much better than I do. What you think after you see Michelle Williams performance, because it was brutal best actress here. It's a truly huge thing, and I'm like, it was just that thing? Is that

too huge? Like it's it's amazing, it's you know, it's gonna be really interesting because so I think the top three and I still I'm gonna be team Michelle on this and because it but it's I haven't seen The

Fableman's yet. Obviously you have, but in your descriptor of it as being potentially too much and overboard, I'm I'm wagering that we have the brutalism of tar versus this Spielbergian excess of The Fableman's and the emotion that that carries and the true Gopher broke berserk insanity that touches on kind of both of those things and everything everywhere all at once, which is really exciting. And then like, I haven't I have not yet seen The Woman King, but I know Viola is in play for what many

are saying shows new dimensions of her talent um. But yeah, I mean tar is actually I'm Boe and I'm like really really excited for you to see it. Do you have this week off? I'm working our shooting shooting, and I'm working You'll you'll go at some point. And I'm going to my nephew's briss on Thursday. So exciting. Oh my gosh, is this your first bricks. It's my first press and for it to be family is very special.

I might go see I might go to a big movie down Friday in Atlanta while I'm there and just watch all of these films. Well, no, The Woman King, I'm sure is playing somewhere in Atlanta. Oh yeah, it's doing really well. And because it's out in theaters now right, it is it is, it's been around for a while.

Like I saw The Woman King. It's very good. It's not like it's not a Viola Best Actress Forum though you know, it is like very much potentially a best picture, but like it just doesn't really I mean, she gives too much space to other people, you know what I mean. I mean, it's definitely a journey, but it's also just trying to establish you can watch an action film about a black woman and have it be thrilling. I mean

my signature experiences. I was walking out of the theater at the Grove and they were like six eighth grade boys next to me, and one of them was assuring the rest of them it was a Marvel movie. Oh well, I didn't understand. I did. I actually didn't know. And this this just goes to show, like you know how badly we need this story told. Um is that I did not know the Door Milage were actually based on these real women. I did not know that. Yeah it was. It was the Royal Guard of Dahome. A um, we're

all women. And oh also, do you know who co wrote The Woman King? Yes, Maria Bellow. Maria Bellow is the bar manager in Kyote Ugly The Blonde Woman. So she's like iconic lesbian actress. She I guess went a few years ago to Africa to like experience like some sort of tour. Yes, that's where the Dahome made like she was just steeped in the culture and said there's

a story here and then and get this. The way that she pitched it was she was presenting an award to Viola at some event and she like Viola came up on stage to get the award and Maria Bella turned to her in the audience and she was like, I Am going to take this opportunity to pitch a film that I know Viola needs to do. Pitch The woman came to her in that moment and they got off stage in Viola was like, I'm actually interested in that.

We need to talk about it. And now it's a hit movie and it's like Viola is, you know, slag. But Maria Bella has been like working pretty steadily like over the years too as an actor. She's a talent, but she's also a producer. She has pivoted to more producing and charity work in Africa since pivoting to lesbians and at some point and yeah, those go hand in hand. Yeah, sometimes you just need a career and sexuality resets, and that's a real culture too. That's really your number thirty.

Sometimes I need your career and you know, speaking of career and sexuality, I have actually I've been to the theater many many times, like over the past few weeks, and one of the most joyous times I had was to see Bros. It was really so good, guy, it was so fucking good, so good. Hearing you guys talk about it was very sweet. I really appreciated it. It's such a fun movie. I hope more people see it. I don't know if people have seen it in the theaters.

I hope people u turn on their televisions and get it when they can. On the eighteenth of the it's coming pretty soon. Yeah, they're rolling it up. But it really was fun to watch it in theaters with Okay, the best part was was after so I saw it, like all of the times that it's like, we had openings and stuff. But my friend, um Marina Kackenberg, very talented televised and writer, she writes for Never Have I Ever.

She and I go through romantic comedies together and we went inside at the Grove and after it was done, all of the gays and the audience felt the need to come like she went to the bathroom, and I was waiting outside of the beth room, and everyone felt the need to come up and explain to me who they had hooked up with in the cast and a very charming little receiving line. And then Gus ken Worthy came over and said hi, and it was like, you don't need to tell us who you looked up with.

Probably good guess you know his his long term his long term ex boyfriend, Matt will gets so great? Was that you at your most paper you would say, I mean, I was just receiving all these these these people telling you, like confessing all their misdeeds too. I have a very high bar for my most papal bowing, Like it would be hard, It would be hard to assert that in front of Matt Rodgers, who has had to see me, you know, issue bulls or interdicts at various points in

time on the streets. I was just thinking to myself, like you probably had your iconic laugh, so that it wasn't It wasn't. They probably were like, I mean, he's here, I have to go over there, right, I mean, with a laugh like that. The man wants to be papalized, like I do hate situations where my obtrusive laugh makes me too present. There are moments when it's just perfect, But at the end of Joel's special recording, he was like, I guy, here, that's what I want. I just want

to awareness. But then there are times why is like comedians who get mad at someone for laughing too loudly at the audience and calm down, don't you know what your job is? And like it makes me feel sub conscious for making it about me in a very eleventh grade girl kind of way, but we all want to

do that sometimes. I'm going through this journey now in terms at work where my laugh is sort of piercing in its frequency at the read through, but some but okay, know the laugh is one thing, but now I'm doing this thing why I'm literally knee or table slapping, you know, like hit I hit table. But now this is teetering on like it being perceived as performative, and that's my fear. The thing is just withholding joy in a comedy writing situation is perfectly useless, and there are some people who

are really aggressive about it. We need to remember what's fun about what we're doing while we're doing it before there's an audience here, Like when I was on Fashion Police when I started out that kind of didn't laugh even at the good stuff, And I was like, what's the fucking point of being here if we're not going to enjoy? Yeah? Yeah, Also, it's it's how you know

something will work. I mean, like, don't even if you work cold hard math about this ship, like you understand that, like we we want the laughter from someone else at least it doesn't have to We don't have to have fun here, but it's better if we totally can engage

that someone might. But when you when you separate those things of like the laughter, trying to like outline the audience response, the way it's being received from like the text itself, like this this has happened like a thousand times already this season, like on stuff that I've worked on where it's like we're getting lost in the sauce too much, Like let's just pull out and just be like, oh, like this works this place, Let's move on, Like there's

it's it's sometimes it do be getting a little too to too granular. Did you know that that was actually a narrative in Bone and I early friendship What he mean was that we would scream at each other at each other's shows, scream Like I remember, like I would do sketches and Bone would come to the hammer Cut shows and he would be laughing, and I was like,

that's my girl out there. And when I would go see Danger Buck shows and then Bone do improv, I would be screaming and to the point where people were like, yeah, you really laughed a lot, and I was like, and then I wasn't self aware enough to be self conscious. I was just simply too up in the feelings of joy. I mean, there's nothing better than that feeling of falling in love with somebody's comic voice. There's nothing better than

just sort of like period. You know, one of the great things about stand up is like constantly having these new people show up and you're just like, I just want to know what this person is going to do, like that you did that for us, did that for us, but also I just enjoyed so much what you did at Like, I will never forget that I got to meet Matt through his performance. I appreciate very greatly. Boh and I just had to meet at a gay party. Um surrounded by gay is talking about how much pick

point they had? What? Okay, So that night that I met you, there was this guy who attempted to brag to me about how much big point he had, and I was just like, fuck you. I did not say this, but my attitude was generally, I'm from Los Angeles. You should not brag to me about how rich you are. You should brag to me about your industry power or fame, and your fame should perceive sure. Um. And then since then, all I can think about is how much big point

he had he had? This was no he had like in the tens of thousands of belief like that is, if he is held on to a very wealthy man, good for him. Good. He needs to get back in touch with you. Now it seems like you might be interested in what he has to say. He might be a very wealthy person, now I know, but there are stealth crypto fags out there, and they're and they're among us. Oh I know them. They're they're really among us, and

and then I celebrate them. It was it was very much like it was a man wearing a blazer at um, you know, at gay nights, and he had that feel about him, and I was just like I'm from the West Coast. I don't know how to deal with gay nights wear. You recall it was in New York. It was was it called pretty? Was it called pretty ugly? Or yes? Yes, do you ugly? I remember that party?

Was that was that was at the hotel? It was not, but it was like it was in the venue of some sort of weird Tony and Tina's wedding, like U interactive theater experience. And I just remember being unused to Hell's Kitchen and having dancer bodies all over the place. Anytime somebody had very visible packs in a very visible ask underneath their clothes, I went up and asked if they were Broadway Spider Man and Matt Wilkas really Matt Wilkes was a Spider Man. Yes, did you know that?

Of course he really was Spider Man. No, there was one time he was We were at a party at Jeffrey Selth's house and he was having back pain and everyone was very solicitous about, like offering help. I was like, why they do they care so much? And then I was like, oh, these are injuries he sustained as the Spider Man. That's why everybody care. So much. Wow, Like, honestly, just to be on the front lines at Spider Man Turn Off the Dark, one of the greatest theatrical wars

we've seen. When a Rockney swag from the ceiling, honey people people were killed. Nobody was killed. I bought the book about it, but I have not read it. There's the book History. I love an oral history. Can I say it feels like the girls can really talk ship. I want them to do a oral history for a fire Island so bad so everyone can know all of

it too. I'm ready to spill. But when did you read the Tom Shan's book before you went to I've never given it a full read, and I've read bits, and I would like hop around like the eraors that I loved. I did like, I did like pre seventy five, and like the first couple of seasons, like all the way up to the New Orleans episode, and then I went to like the nineties, and then I went to like and then they for the forty they did an update, and I assume they'll do one for the fiftieth too.

But okay, but this is my question, and please please comment on this. I'm like, is it too like I would never be caught dead on the subway, like eating a hard copy of that? Can you imagine? Like the slsgusting? But do I do? I do think it's worth giving it a full read through? Right? Is that terrible of me? No? I like, I don't think so. I love doing research.

I love doing research about anything, and I feel like it's weird to start work with somebody about whom you can know a great deal and to not know a great deal about them. I feel like I dropped the ball every time I didn't I tell you grows story. When we did the table read for the only other movie I've been in No Strings Attached with Natalie Portman, I sat next to this woman and I was like, Balsom is her last name? Is this Martin Balstoon's daughter?

Do I not remember? And then I only as I was leaving, I was like, guy, that is the only other woman who's been that at that time, the only person who've been married to George Clooney, Miss Challi of Balston now married to uh what's his name from? From mad men um John Slattery. Yes, And that was a situation where if I had prepared properly, I would have been able to like make her my end within ninety seconds. And then I asked professions about being married to George Clooney,

and I dropped the ball. I have to say, I had forgotten that she is also an instrument in that great symphony of a film. Like one of my favorite things ever is that is that the supporting cast of that movie is what it is. I mean, the supporting cast of that movie is all over the place, and it's always fun to know, Like Olivia Thurrowby, you and I have add. One time on the streets in Manhattan, Olivia Thornby accosted me and she was she was like, I know you. He was like your errand's publicist or

something like that. I was like, nowhere in a movie together. She's like, no, you're not. Like she was very certain who I was, and it was like accessory gay to someone she knows that. I was like, no, we were, I Olivia Thurnby, you saw Juno and you were like, who is that? Yes? Yeah, I feel like she should be doing into this mold now of like I can see her so clearly in my mind, like in a movie now. Yes, it must be so rough for those people who have to have somebody else create the correct

vehicle for them, you know what I mean? And there is something so nice about just being like, well, the thing that is holding me back is that I have been too lazy or unfocused to put together the thing I need to for myself period. I mean literally the daily struggle. But wait, what this iconic Mattin Bowen moment brings me to someone who is finally getting a moment.

Bowen took me years ago to go see the film with Thoroughbreds and it starred Annie teller Joy, who, of course you know, popped all the way off, and the other actress was Olivia Cook, who I thought was just as good. I was like, the girl gives a stunning performance and I have been waiting for years for her to find that, and now she is, I guess in the Dragon Show. She's full on in the House of the Dragon. And she's of course going viral right now

for that Nerons Bagliato with Echo. It's just that's her. She's oh stunned, And I was like, wow, for this to be not The Dragon Show, but for this meme to be your vehicle to great success. You go, girl? Am I missing something? Is it? Just is it just popping off because they said it sexy or something. I think that's kind of what I mean, rich bisexual energy of maybe a sort that it eludes me. Sure, sure, sure, well now it's the drink of the fall. I don't

fucking now. Although bartenders are slamming their absolute head into the wall because they don't want to be this is the cycle now of like conventional like seasonally conventional cocktails where it's like everyone's ordering is my special Martinez, everyone's ordering like dirty Shirley's. Everyone's ordering appalls like like it's trends are going to shift. Trends are going to shift. You have to deal with the waves that come Outders. I actually I want to recommend both of you reading

material if you want. Yes, I'm reading this book now. I'm reading this book now. You actually would both love this uh by this guy named W. David Marks. I think. But this the book is just called Status and Culture, and it basically writes about how, like the reason why trend cycles are so quick now is because because status is broken down, and like people who have high status aren't respected as much as they used to, and people with low status kind of have the pseudo high stad like,

so it's all mixed up. And the show that I just sold to a d C. He's about thank you, what is terrible wreck, But it's about three families with the same income who have different classes, and just the fact that we don't talk about the way that class is not just a factor of how much money you make, but truly like how metal is your straw and how you know orange is your cocktail and like that. So that actually sounds like perfect reading material for me right now,

responsible research. It's interesting, it's it's a very great book that pertains to things that we think about anyway, a of you. But no, to pivot back to Tara, one of one of the things that was amazing on the Tar was like re rooting yourself in this Bury Manhattan world of people who are so certain that they have control of the culture. And it is such like an abstruse and rarefied and weird world that like most people

don't care about. But still, you know, the people in control still get down on their knees and suck the

dick of Lydiatar. Petri's father, Yes, Petra's father. There's a scene blin where it's not a spoiler, but she finds she finds out her daughter is being bullied at school, and she shows up and goes over to this truly eight year old girl and is like shoes the other girls away that that are standing with her having a conversation and she kind of gets down on her level and she goes She says, I'm Petri's father, and she basically says to her, if you ever messed with my

daughter again, I'm gonna get you. And if you tell any adults, they will not believe you, so you can, which you can do if you want, but I'm just telling you it has to stop or I'm going to get you and no one will believe you because I'm an adult. And she, the little girl, goes away, but it's iconic and her performance is so again just like

so fearsome but controlled. What what I was pulling from what you were saying, guy, was I think that the more I work in this industry, the more I realized that these people that have been lifted up and put on pedestals, like there's always an ass to show at some point. And what I love about Cape Blenchett's performance in Tar is it is the best performance of a

douche bag I have ever seen. She is such a douche And you start watching it and you think, because of the way the movie is presenting itself and the way that she presents herself in the film, and the way that the film is sort of, you know, presenting her, you think, oh, this must be something I should take seriously. This must be like a stark drama about whatever is going on here. And then you realize it's actually very explicitly a satire. It is a laugh out loud and

it's hilarious. Yeah, is it? Is? It sort of like by the end of the movie, you're like, Oh, who the funk cares that she's this conductor? I mean, the thing is what's beautiful about it is like she's a genius. And there's never a moment that you question she's a genius.

But there are so many moments where you think about the ways that politics and ruthlessness and talent and hard work the way like what makes a genius, Like it really isn't what makes a genius, And so frequently when they asked we asked that question, it's like, well, I guess we have to put up with what Mozart is doing because he gives us this music. And this is not like this is a movie that like is not saying, oh well, we have to put up with it. He's so good at what he does and we shouldn't be

talking about it because you should be able to experience it. Okay, Oh but this is so interesting to me. This is so interesting to me because I keep running into this thing where like people don't ultimately give a shit about what I do. I don't give a about what other people do who get mad at the stuff that I'm being I'm sort of talking around a lot of things.

But like, so, like the other thing the book talks about is like status groups, and that are there are different conventions among different status groups, and that there are different markers of status in those groups, in different hierarchies within those anyway, Um, is this something that's sort of

I think so. I think the fact that you are actually reading this is going to lend itself to a very interesting read on the movie, because because it's also a lot about the packaging and presentation of genius, you know what I'm saying. It's like it's like this sort of agreed upon fact that this character Lydia tar Is. Basically she's like the closest thing to Mozart since Mozart.

I mean, she breathes art and knowing that about herself and knowing that she has to maintain that, there comes with that, like, of course, the douche baggery I'm talking about that that has to happen whenever you're talking about

your own accomplishments. And but it's just such an incredible study of someone who has bought their own hype to the point where they actually have forgotten who they are at all, and people don't matter to her because she's not a grounded, emotional human being, Like there's one relationship in her life is not transactional, which is actually a line that said to her by her wife. She's like, You've got one relationship in your life that isn't transactional.

That's one of your daughter. But then I also think that that relationship is transactional in many ways. So it's a very can I hear that? Can I hear that argument from you? Because there was there was a journalist who quoted that as though we're her own one relationship in her life isn't transactional, And I'm like, that's in the movie, and also anything that's did to you in a movie, you should question. But I want to hear your like, my opinion on her is that and you

see this in at the end of the movie. I think she's obviously she's a disgusting person. She's InCred of we talented, and I think that she, like any predator um, the number one thing she covets is control, and I think that she wants to dominate. And I think that obviously, you know, we don't get into her backstory a ton, but we see enough that she's obviously very ashamed of. Yes, maybe a certain segment of real I'm not saying too much.

But the thing is, like what I felt in that scene, which is obviously sort of the relationship she has with her daughter is summed up in this scene with the child when she goes and intimidates the bully at school. Is this is another way she can get off on being a dominator. So it's it's less about protecting her daughter and more about being able to enter a space and let someone know that if she wanted to, she could ruin your life. And I think that that also

comes into play at the end of the film. When you see you know where she ends up. Because while that atmosphere is so insane and surreal to behold and you leave the movie thinking what the fuck, it is still an environment that she can dominate and that ultimately is the number one most important thing to her. No matter how much she justifies to herself that it's about art, it's actually about dominance. I'm sure she loves music, I'm sure that she loves what she does, and she's incredibly

talented at it. But it is very clear to me that this person is a classic Capital P predator because what they want most of all is to be well. There's the facto dominator of any circumstance. There's the way that you see people, we see people around us who seek fame to some extent so that they can stop being people. They sort of want to stop being people.

And there's that weird way that like watching Lydiatar try to compose in a room on her own with no one telling her how great she is, she has so little capacity can do to figure out what she should be composing. And the thing is is, like I think that this is the truth. It's so aren't for people who are successful to get off of their own bullshit enough to making things. And when I see the people who do that, I am always really impressed, you know, the people who well, when there's eyes on you, I

think that. I think, like it's so true too. It's like, even if you're the most creative person ever and you're a prolific person, when there are eyes on you, like the way that you create work just changes. I mean, like when you're working around in a basement when we met you, Like, it's harder to create with people watching it just is. It's interesting to see it play out in this movie because it's not just that people are

watching what she seems comfortable with. It's that she has to think about um, the way she may be responsible to a certain situation and she cannot get out of her own way. And I do think that that what's interesting about that is watching that converge with the idea of creating art and whether or not even fucking matters, you know, because ultimately it doesn't. It doesn't fucking matter at the end of the movie that she's a genius. That's why we almost never hear any of her work.

It doesn't fucking matter. This is a at an individual who's here's something, and I might say this is someone who's not seeing the movie. So this is probably total total to the opposite of creation or creativity is control, because if you're creating something, you're sort of putting it out into the world, and for control, you're controlling something, you're just sort of inserting yourself on something that's already there. Yeah, I mean whatever that is. That, I mean, that's that's

absolutely true. And like, once you have status, part of you is always going to be conservative to try to control and maintain that status, and you're not gonna be able to make those same kinds of risks. Is why I always try to when Twitter becomes like unrepentant ship talking, I always try so hard to remind myself how much I would be shipped talking to be funny in the

same way if I were twenty. You know, Like, I just think there is that feeling of like striking out from powerlessness does have a great deal of creative, chaotic energy to its yep, And I have to respect that well at the same time being almost constantly annoyed by it. Yeah, well you know you can, don't. Like we all are participating in what we're in the atmosphere that we're given

to participate. I think about that all the time. It's just like, you know, to go from snarky facts online to get people actually sometimes give us the opportunity to do this, and then to be faccots that are snarked at. We deserve it, you know what I mean. Ultimately, it's also like you can't get too mad because you know, but it's it's just it's a really, really, really fascinating

interesting movie. And I also think like if if people were listening to this episode in like a bubble and like didn't understand like much about the movie, it this might sound like a snobby film, like or like we're the way we're talking about it, it's really not. It's so it's like when I when I realized it was

a comedy, I felt like I felt free. And I feel like the fact that they're kind of withholding that that's what it is is really genius and smart well, and he's one of those things where if you were but like not Whittaker who cares too much about classical music, will be able to enjoy it and get joked with

that movie that don't make sense to me? But I almost think that watching it as an outsider is more fun because it is this like contain space of a world that like I know nothing about, and it's not about that world. It's just about the power dynamics that have in any world. Yeah. Yeah. I also left the movie being like, okay, like when I didn't like it, which was my which was my reality for about again, like probably six to seven hours, I was like, well

fuck that. I thought, Well, I'll tell you what's not brilliant. The idea of like a conductor who like manipulates um, you know, time and sound also like that one to one being like she's a manipulator of people too, Like that is not brilliant. It is not genius. And I

was like, I don't like this. But what is brilliant and genius is someone who genuinely believes that they are manipulating time, sound, energy, and the feeling and temperature of a room, thinking they can get away with other stuff to this extent the belief the character study is interesting and that's all it is. It reminded me a little bit of the Tempest in just being a character study of somebody whose power has gone to their head at

the end of the fablements. I was like, so fascinated by all of these choices that Spielberg had made, but I was not swept away, and tar completely swept me away. Wow, how's your tip? Talk about Toronto? When I was getting to go to the Toronto International Film Festival. There are stories around that that I would tell you boys when it is not being recorded. But okay, oh is it don't worry Darling stuff because I'm gagged now it's not, don't I didn't realize that don't Worry Darling was happening.

And then they were just like screaming children all over the place, and I was very excited. Oh but the magical story is just that there is a venerable Canadian political writer who is married to Canada's former governor general. And I asked them to go with me to the premiere and they were they were like, we can't, but you should come over to the house and like have

tea with us. And so I went over to John Ralston Saul In Adrian Clarkson's house two days after the Queen died and had these people who would like you know, spent many a night at one of the Queen's houses had to hung out with the Queen many times. Um just sort of analyzing what that meant for the future of Canada. And that was my tiff right there, of you being in tiff in Toronto, on Canadian soil, the Commonwealth, and I feel like wow, also got full. Scott Thompson

got ful. Scott Thompson like b I he was oh wait wait He and Joel came to the Bros. Premiere. Scott Thompson was there. Scott Thompson was there, and like I got I talked to Scott way too much. And then I ended up being in boys Town and he was at a birthday party that was at the barn next store, and we ended up paying it all day long. And then I came home and turned on the news and he was on CBC processing the death of the queen.

Before it was it was just I had always said, I always said, when the Queen dies, I will take the day off work. Like when the queen dies, I will need to take the day off work. But I did not take the day off of hacks Jen stats. He was very open that it was a possibility, but I powered through. I you know, kept calm and carrying

on um. But it was you know, it was just with all of the meaning that she has for billions of people around the planet, it was just sort of a change of an era and getting to be somewhere where they were really taking it seriously in a lot of different ways. Mental last me, I'm disappointed that you didn't keep your promise to yourself that you should have

taken off, should have taken the day off. I mean, yes, it's like out of respect, but truly I did miss an hour of work to talk to John Roston Saul about what he thinks for the future of the Canadian monarchy. Oh, I cannot repeat those on anything broadcast able. So it wasn't positive. Is it a collapsive meaning? And so therefore the Canadians will fully go crazy and nihilist. He had a vision, had a vision of the future that was

more holy Canadian um. And I really like it was fascinating to hear from just like this very very venerable political philosopher about what it means. And it was super fun. Now let me ask you something, and this is going to be more emotional. Did you cry? You said tears. I was like, I knew that when the Queen died, I would cry. And the thing is like, I don't buy that mean to imply that I think that British monarchy is good or has not been a terribly terribly

destructive thing. I just think that a stable icon of my childhood, you know, not like my dad was great and terrible in lots of ways. I cry about him being dead, this person who represented stability and and sort of one thing I think when you are a too bright faggot growing up in the United States, seeing and also in sort of like an anti intellectual farm town, thinking about like Britain and its tradition seems very very fancy, and then you are exposed to them directly and you're like,

who do these people think they are? Um? And so it wasn't anything uh crying for lost innocence? Absolutely, do you think that mL Stanton is going to tear? Okay? I had no problem with EML Di Stantin and Holy School. I convey to me to load them mel distunting And

so now I don't know. I mean, the thing is just like and she was a B plus rose, and the thing is just like I learned of her as one of the lovees, as one of Emma Thompson's close personal friends from Footlights who hung out and made things together. And I was just like, she's one of the cool people. And then I was just like, oh god, she is a little much like she she can be a little much. And we had been promised Chrish Likeker came back with the t like six years ago that Peter Morgan was

asking Dame Helen Miran to come back. And you know, I feel a little bit as though I did not get the Dame two seasons and Dame Helen Mirren I wanted and veryan sent for Leslie Manville. I'm very excited everything that's coming for us. I mean, the crown and Mrs Vicky is gonna she's really good. He showed fucking dumb with Diana story. I have to say, like, I don't think so, honey, one more Diana story, But I do feel like this will be the last one for

a while, because we have true the bubble has truly burst. Burst. Lewis's joke about how we're only six or seven movies away from really understanding Marylyn Monroe is one of the best funny too. What the funk are we doing? Have either of you endeavored to dry and I don't. I don't care. I didn't watch the Michelle Williams one, and I would probably like that. I did like that one. See I do love her. You know, we were watching

the last night at the pregame. We were watching videos of Gwen Verdon dancing and then watching Michelle do it. We didn't, but it made me realize, like god damn it,

that performance was incredible. There is a surprising amount of Gwynn Verdon in her mix Fatleman and you're like, that doesn't make any sense, but I would, Okay, here's here's before you see the Fableman's I would encourage you to look at a still photo of Lee of Spielberg and when you just realized the French Bob is ripped from the headlines, like you can understand more that this performance is rooted in a specific human being and uh, it is amazing. But it's also one of those things when

it comes to Best Actor's race. She is like of that movie, like it's it's not something like what or Michelle Yo like like Lydia tar is the entirety of a film. Maybe that like with some great supporting roles, but like I just feel like like Michelle Yo got written the most gigantic role imaginable and she fucking did it every step of the way. And I hope and

pray that the Academy can give an award too. Like a movie that came out in like August or before the April, Yeah, it was way early in the year. And somebody who is playing like a lady who owns a laundry, like if they can open up their minds enough for that, and a funny and a funny action movie. Yeah, I mean it was like it was just everything everywhere all it was like it truly was enormous. Thank you, and thank you for saying that and for really title and and look at the way we're looking at you

with pride and respect. And can I say I usually my ruber because usually could no one else have done it? Literally, there is not a human being on the planet that could have done except Jackie Chan because that's what it was written form. And even that low impact in comparison, yeah, yeah, which it's so much more interesting with her, more interesting

with her. Yeah. And also the thing the thing though, is like I thought that that would be like objectively true at the end of the year that this would be the definitive thing that lives up to that. Rubrick. I was like, I mean, Michelle Yell and everything everywhere all at once, like Hander Hander the award. But now I don't I don't know that there's someone that could have played Lydia Tar like good thing. I don't think.

Here here we start getting into economics of Academy awards, and it is just that question of determining who is worth three? And we have in the last we have opened up who is worth three? And I think we all know that we really have he is worth three, But I don't know that it's now. I feel like, you know, like Blue Jasmine was nine years ago, um and like it it is huge. I used to have

to say this. I was so excited for my mom and Olivia to watch everything everywhere all at once, because you have blue collar, like working class lady who gets to explore everything that was possible for her, and then you have like daughter who is in pitched battle with her at all times, who is queer and weird and all of those things. And my mom fell asleep during it because she falls asleep during things all the time.

But just sort of Olivia got the full experience of it, and it was just like it's it's just so wonderful when you see something like that and it's not just a thing of beauty but also something that you know will mean something to people who matter to you. Um, and everything everywhere, all at once has that warmth factor that's charred, doesn't you know? Yeah makes it the distance. Yeah, Yeah, for sure, it's got more of Coda being able to wrap my head around the fact that we live in

a world that where Coda wins Best Picture. Like not that it wasn't a great, lovely movie, but it is just like a very streamable film on like on Amazon that you watch on your television or whatever Apple um is more has more potential than something that is blowing up planets. Yeah. Well, I was just gonna say, like, Koda was a sweet and lovely movie, but it was not Power of the Dog. But then I saw you sort of drag Power of the Dog the Dog on Twitter. The thing is I love Power of the Dog, like

I I will drag it. Like. The best thing about Power of the Dog is my friends Sarah Fire made me go see it in a theater in Pasadena, same theater where I saw everything, ever where, all at once, but having to drag yourself through the boredom to realize what it was doing made it one of the most effective portrayals of what closetedness is. Like. I felt that it was really good. I thought that it was a rich movie that I thought about a lot. But I also it was a little bit like, what does this

movie want? What does this movie have to say? Like it a little bit fell into there's a correct kind of gayness that will happen offscreen that we will never see, but it's correct gainness. And then there is this bad gayness that is bad, but we're going to pay a lot of attention to it. It is a problem that I found most significant. Have either of you seen The Inheritance? Yes, I've seen The Inheritance and I did the full sit through for both parts. Now for me, life is too short.

I mean it's true, like I would truly adore to take you, Matt, I'll be sleeping like death. I mean yes, I mean the thing is is like I have threatened to take Luke McFarland from Bros. To watch The Inheritance, like Luke would like it, But then I would yell at him so much about how angry I am at so many aspects of it. But I feel like the inheritance was something that was like, there's good correct gayness.

We're not going to show you that. We're going to show you drugs and fucking and we're gonna say that's bad. And I think that, well, the well and they did say that's bad. That's what you're saying. Yes, And I think if we love drugs and we love drugs and sucking, why not be able to explore drugs and sucking without needing to shake our finger at it? Or if you think there is some better and more correct way of

being gay, show us that. And also, at the end of the day, I think rooting the validity of gay masculinity on our capacity to have children is misguided. Like, you know, we are perfectly capable of being wonderful parents. Lots of people are. I am in fucking you, Basdi because I came for parents Weekend at Davis because a young woman had to be prodded to go to services at hill l But like, what I have to offer this world is not just my capacity to parents that, like,

we are more than that. So I have a lot of issues with the inheritance. Um, but I love that it's so long. I mean that what you said about Power of the Dog, about like needing needing, needing to sit through the boredom to understand what gold you're being given is a little bit tar too, because it's like every single scene is there for a reason, but you don't understand why until you know, Like like when I hated the movie for those for that period of time,

I was like, what the funk is going on? And why are we seeing this? And I asked it so many times and then every time I had to visit it every scene and I was like, no, we needed that.

I needed that going through it and just thinking about it as a screenplay would it would be fascinating and it's something that I need to do, even just a thing of like telling us so much about her work in Peru, like what I was laughing, Like I realized, like when The Bone, there's a scene in the beginning where they're like they're doing like an interview with her, like she's being again interviewed about how what the genius she is, and like their list her credits, and at

a certain point you're like, oh, this has to be satire because her list of credits is so long, and the fact that she's an egot, she's she's little antar as you got. And when they said you got, that's when I was like, no, this is a funny movie. Are the people most likely to be that's okay? That this is true? Okay, I have to ask you a question. I have to ask you, boy. It's a very serious question. It is this He's don't worry Darling Camp because okay,

please tell me, talk to me. Well have you seen? But don't worry Darling yet. But I'm willing to I'm going to presume that it does not achieve like this sun Taggian Camp definition that it needs to be aware of its own bad taste. Correct. Don't Worry Darling takes itself so seriously as the half movie that it is, because it really has something interesting there that's like beyond the scope of what the script allows it to deliver.

There could be something really interesting said and done as a thriller and as a fun popcorn movie that stars Harry Styles. But but the movie is so obsessed with itself as a satire that it really it sits in its own quiet and doesn't understand that it's quiet because nothing is happening. It's not quite it because we're waiting for something like and if we are like, it never happens. But it's not a very smart movie. And that is unfortunate because I think was a couple more passes of

the script, it could have gone somewhere really fun. But ultimately is like, you know, and this is actually you know, saying a lot because step Ford Wives is not an A plus, but it's a C minus step Ford Wives. Of course you've seen the Paul Rudnick Nicole kick in Stepford Wives, right, I have, but it's it's a condom definitely B minus, but an A plus B minus is in my opinion, what guys, we're getting lots to let her create. I'm sorry, I would like to make one.

I while watching Um, Don't Worry Darling, I asked myself, is this camp in the scene when Harry when Harry is dancing and she is melting down in the bathroom, and there were like many images of her in bathroom mirrors, and I was like, maybe this is camp. And then while watching Tar Tar without pretty pink dresses or Harry says dancing manages to use bathroom mirrors to be so much more camp than Don't Worry Darling could ever hope to be. Don't Worry Darling is camp. In the way

they met, Gala thought it was camp. That that's how Don't Worry Darling is camp. Don't Worry Darling is showing up being like, aren't I interesting? And you're like, no, hunt and we shouldn't be doing this. But honestly, thank god for that press cycle because I genuinely think it got butts and seats. Yeah, no, it was like good

for them. That meta narrative was better than the narrative. Oh, certainly much more interesting was what was happening off screen, which which which maybe they knew and they leaned into it, but I don't know. The day of Chris Pine spit was just, I mean, amazing psychotic. That jump for me, Yeah, I love it. Yeah when when when we're wondering did a man spin on each other in this video? E O, I don't know. That to me was a little too BuzzFeed for me. Listen, guy, I want to ask you something.

So you've had many workplace daughters. Yes, Cushier was your workplace daughter. I was your workplace. Daughter. Do you have this sort of relationship with Pat Reagan? Oh, my god, does he allow you to mother him? I prefer the term niece. And yes, Um, it's lovely working with Pat. Um. We didn't know each other very well before I started the job. I like called him and was like, what

should I know about it? Um? He said that he liked all types of chocolate when I was talking about modeling chocolate, and so I sent him a pound of modeling chocolate to see and he was like, over the course of three days, it reminded me of duncle Ru's chocolate. Um, you know like that. Yes, I mean the thing is is like Hacks is actually filled with wonderful nieces. Uh. There's the Ariel Andrew laws appear. He's higher ranking in

me on the show. He could never be my niece. Um, but Ariel Carl who reminds me so much of my actual niece. Uh. And it was wonderful. And then there is a delightful woman named Samantha Riley who uh is from Berkeley. And you know that's a good time. But yes, when news about someone hot comes up or I want to talk about the weirdness of the time at which we are taking a phone break. Uh, my niece Pat Regan is the person too who might address that. You know,

I always for some reason, I'm sorry. I just want to say, Pattison the Dominican Republic doing an Atlantis event this week, and I did not know how she takes son like she really is turning into like, um, you know, a check porn twink over the age of thirty. And I'm really impressed. Yeah, Pat, Pat is good in the sun for sure. That I was gonna say. I always remember there was a moment when you too, when Matt

was your niece. Always that will always be my name, that will always be the Matt and Olivia are sharing a room and the house dat Davis Um. For some reason, I always think of that. The coffee break in that room for you guys was like three pm, and I always and I was just because I just picture the both of you, like because the room went too long, two hands on, one cup, two hands on, just sipping their coffees, chatting kept me up. Talking about the weekend.

Guy feels me with joy. And you always were, um, very encouraging and I always felt like very respected by you when whenever we worked together and that that made me feel good because I don't respect anyone more. You're so funny. And also the first show we worked on, there were no higher levels except for me there and watching you and Alan's Jew like behave like adults, pitched like adults. Everyone there was really funny, but like you guys came at it so hard with such strength that

I really just earned undying respect for you guys. You behaved like co executive producers and I was like, those are people who are going to have fine careers. Well that's very n And Alice is Alice, Oh my god, everyone remember the name this season. This season on Hacks, I did pitch a character who was the first Asian female president of the Harvard Lampoon and was a working model.

Will only wore black. Alice is not a working model, but I tried to have an Alice Jew based character in Paul Downs was immediately like, should we just call her Alice Jew? And I was like, all right, you're saying, I love that they're Alice is one of the most iconic people, like just in behavior, because she's she's truly darry Is. It is silent assassin. Also, I'll never forget her Oh she's I hope she's not bad that I say this. But Mama did not enjoy Harry Potter and

the Forbidden Journey and the University Studios Hollywood. It did not go good. It upset her stomach. But we had a fabulous day there. Alice sucking rocks. I love her so much. She fucking right. I mean, like just bow and said it right. Remember the name. Um, listen, Um, we're sort of soaring into I don't think so, honey territory. But is there anything that you because I feel like the fact that you like we're that we're worthout like your weekly a pop rocket is totally missed. Let's just say,

very very much. So what do you have to say that you feel has not been said about the culture? And this is a separate from I just want to give you the floor. Um, that's so sweet. I would say, getting to truly like venture to open my heart about tar was really what I was looking for. I mean, the things I have one I noticed after I saw the stablements, I just wanted to have a long talk about the stableman's And then a week later a quartered Judd Abataw and made him talk to me about the Tableman's.

After I got out of Tar, I was just like I listening to every podcast I could talking about her, and I was just like, I want to speak about and process Tar. But I would say the one thing I want people to know about the popular culture I will be expressing in my I don't think so, oh my god, what a segue. What do you say we're ready to thrust into this new So this is I don't think so, honey. This is our one minute segment in which we each take a minute to rail against

something in the culture. Matt, do you want to get first watching you like, be dissatisfied with the way you just did that, because it's a one minute segment that we each take one minute and then you you'll never see this at home. But Bowen literally, like like halfheartedly threw his hand up and rolled his eyes at the fact that he said one minute too close together in proximity in the sentence. And that's why we love Bowen

Yang and is the attention into detail. It's a Sunday and I was doing music video math in the edit room all day yesterday at work and I'm I'm my brain is host. I'm so sorry. Well it sounds like really fun math. I'll say music video math. It's it's kind of stressful math. Actually, music video math is stressful math. Shout out to Ryan Spears and Mike Diva for being champs in the room. I didn't know that. I love Ryan, Oh my god, just a pure star, mega star capital

walks in the room. Is so warm and yet also has that effect in that quality of like sucking the air out like you you. She walks in the room and everybody pays at tension, even people who like like like Josh and Aaron talking about this like on set for for fucking identical Twins, like she'd walk like she came on and then like Crupy, who had no idea who she was, was like who is that? Who is that?

Who is that person? Um? And she was so. The best thing a host can say going into s n L and that Monday meeting is I'm down for anything something. Some hosts come in and there's no, there's nothing fundamentally wrong with this. Some hosts come in and they go, I want to do like an Irish acts and I

want to do with this. I want to I have this impression I have had that um, lovely it's it's it's it's there's some directionality there, but the best thing that can happen is a host coming and going I'll do anything. And then they asked her, can you sing? And she goes, not really, well, but I'll do it. I'll do whatever, like that's the best. And I just agree with that she can sing, but um, it was so lovely all week and this is public knowledge. Seven pm on Friday, she finds out that her house in

l A was broken into. Oh no, and I didn't know that, and that burglars like stole like three dollars and stuff, and she's crazy in l A like it's great, it's it's a big problem she's had. She's this this this lady who we all love, Like like, let's let's let her catch a break. She literally tweeted like she was like, this is what happened in my house got

broken into. I have to be honest with y'all, like after us to know, like I need to take a break because this is just so emotionally and physically like so draining, and so I I'm not alexis not specifically, but it is giving, blingering, and it just feels I don't know, but but but the the nefarious thing is they were like, oh, she's in New York for us, and now let's go to her. You know, like let's case the joint and then robbed the place a day

later or something. You know, she got dereaded, she got de read it. Anyway, Um, she was lovely. I find that, like she's been through so much ship and the stuff that she's been through often gets like minimized because like the tor Land stuff is crazy, Yeah yeah it is, um it's but she was. She was phenomenal. Everyone fell in love with her dot so just and and sorry not to be like this, but like watching her in the booth like just like kind of like on the

track like recording, I was like, this is incredible. That must have been really cool to watch. It was, I mean it was. It was cool and wobble to just watch and then cool and Celestie and I were like, oh my god, she's like saying the stuff that we wrote. That's crazy, that's awesome. But she was, She's she's just phenomenal. Anyway. The fact that she like put on a show on Saturday after going through an insane like life thing that she had to take care of as leam Michelle s Fanny,

Bryce said, let's give him hell. Bryce will cry a little later. Well, Bryce, that's life in the theater and amazing. We are going to move on to I don't think so, honey, Now that I've said that, now, are you ready? I am? This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many as time starts now. I don't think so, honey that we have to wait still for Midnights to come out. I'm so excited for Taylor swift new album Midnights. Who knows what we're gonna get? Are we gonna get more Taylor

Swift with a hard R and a hard tea? You know her, She's that girl who's writes, writes down Taylor Swift. She writes down all her lyrics and and she spills her heart. Or are we getting Taylor Swift with a long a and a soft I think? Are we getting that hip hit hip? Are we getting big stadium pop? Are we getting a mixture of both? What kept Taylor Swift up at night that she was able to make a concept album called Midnights? We're gonna find out on Thursday.

But I don't think so, honey, Do I have to second tell her. Swift is one of my favorite artists and I want her album right now. I just know that this album is going to be one that I listened to on repeat and everyone is going to be doing the same. I don't think so, honey, that I have to still sit in silence until I fill the air with the sound of Midnight and that's one minute. Wow, the enthusiasm, and I'm sorry, reader. You should see Matt sort of turned off the switch in his brain and

now his face is fully neutral and even angry. I would say it was so tiring. It was really hard to be effusive. Bow. You know, I don't know how you do it. You're You're one of the most effusive people I know, and you're doing so well and people love you for it. I am pretty effusive. So Matt is Matt is just a true luminaire. You see it like and literally you see the light from within, like

I love this man. But also, and I don't think so you spent like that is why you always created it because you have so much to give and it is a forum for giving your everything. Thank you for saying that there is nothing there is no greater um compliment than what you just said. Thank you for saying it. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Um Bowen, are you ready and excited to do your adam think so, honey. I'm excited period. This is Bowen yangs. I don't think so, honey.

His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Using gut health as a way to mask and eating disorder, okay, there are people out here who are using these two words to be like, I'm eating chia seeds all day, every day, and that's it, and that's for my gut health. No you want like like they know, they say the ship that's fine, but then they always ended with look at my abs, that's gut health. That's chia seeds or

whatever the fuck they're drinking and eating. Okay, it's it's it's so fructing transparent to me that the people who are not experts, who are not qualified to be giving up this advice on TikTok or fucking Instagram reels to be like, it's gut health, it's gut health. You don't know the first thing about the damn microbiome in your fucking stomach. You don't know one name one of the trillions of bacteria ensigns that are in there. I dare you then I'll pay you a thousands dollars if you're

gonna fucking chill for she has. I don't know what she has seeds my example, but gut health is a legitimate thing, but it's being used as a mask. Wow, guys, Hi, I'm Teddy Mellencamp whatever. And the way that I get my gut health together as I starve myself to sign up for the app that literally if if, if you're a true dietitian, like someone who has a title whatever

this is, I don't mean like accountability coach. Well, I'm saying like just this this kind of like there's a fun there's a very thin line and gut health is a concept that is you know, real and that can be very drink stay regular, very that there's some of these influencer folks out there in the influencing space, which is a very powerful space as we know, and people wield a lot of power in that space for for

good reasons, for bad reasons, for mutual reasons. They're they're kind of pushing the gut health agenda in a way that is I think a little a little shady. I think a little little scary. And no one is saying she has seeds are not a super food. We all except that they love like as tech runners who needed to get through a day. It took by the historian. But it is not. But it is not the entirety of a diet. It is not a way of life. There you go, There you go. Guy, who is the

most interesting historical figure? Oh? Do you know who? Hypatia of Alexandria was the name. They made a Rachel Vice movie about her. She was a leady mathematician in Alexandria and she um uh like figured like she like figured out a bunch of stuff about the way the planets moved. Um. And then they killed her and they cut her they cut her skin off with pieces of pots because they thought she was a witch, because she was not Christian

or the other thing they were supposed to be. A man. Yes, I mean that's probably not the answer, But I love Alexandria. I'm so happy I asked. So this is guy Brownhams. I don't think are you ready and ready to steam? Yes? Okay, your time starts now. People who leave the History Channel show alone because they miss their family. I don't think so. Honey Alone is a television program on the History Channel

where people are dropped somewhere in the Canadian. We'll gonna depend modern objects and I have to survive as long as they can. And people do not leave because they miss their family. They leave because they're starving. They leave because they tried really hard to kill a deer and did not kill a deer. They leave because their gill let did not work. And I am tired of these people. Like Real Trea Second Fighters on a loan, they get pulled off of the show because they love so much

weight that their blood pressure is artificially uh reduced. Those people leave like heroes. But people who leave because they miss their family are fucking weak. And if they got one of the ten spots to go on alone, they should let themselves slowly starve to death the way that everyone else does and not be whiny about how, oh I didn't properly process my daughter dying two years ago. Get over it and catch some fish. I don't think so. Really, that's one minute. Are you guys caught up on Survivor

of this season? Yes? I am talk about it. This is my tar and survivor to too pieces of missed homework survived, Tar, I have some personalities. You've got a good season on our hands, and but I'm excited for you to binge when you do finally get some And I'm gonna say this, we're deserved time off. The man doesn't stop. Oh my god. I like that. There's no premise. I like that there's no premise. And Matt, did you spot when there was the thing about the woman who

was accused of cheating at professional poker? Did you realize that the guy who accused her of cheating um was brains versus bronze versus beauty. He was the hot, the hot Jewish poker player on the rains. Wow, unbelievable. Yeah. Who is your front runner for this season? Oh? I forget. I feel like I binged all three of them very quickly, and I feel like it takes me five episodes to just have them coalesced in front of me. What do you think The answer is? Carla um a name like Carla.

She is an iconic um Latin X lesbian who sort of is sort of giving Richard Hatch in the way she's observing it all and her social game plan has been on display, and you know she's getting a good edit because they constantly cut to her to just comments on things. And the edit that she's getting is the all seeing but also very doing player, you know what I mean. Like it's giving under the radar in a way that other people think they are or not tragic.

I'm saying a name like Carla is tough. Like if there's a Carla on Survivor, you know they're going far period period, you should you that's and that's a rule of culture. Which one is that again? I'm forgetting fifty eight. That's real numb there. You know they're going far. I would encourage you to just try, just try a little bit of alone on the History Channel. If people went on Survivor and there were no social game and also

they were mostly white supremacists. Okay, a question I needed the answer to it sounds like yeah, okay, good, good good. I mean I have a big night tonight, Potomac is on. You do you don't really engage with the House fives. I don't, and that's a shame. We would encourage you to start to be honest. Okay. The thing is is I from Chelsea Lately, I have like two seasons of New York and like, and I tried to watch all of Beverly Hills so that I would have more to

toxic gay guys about. Um, but I crapped out just after the backdoor pilot for Vanderpunk Rules. Um, but I would like to be more conversant in these things, like you guys. There are so many times when I listen to your podcast and there are just like fifteen minutes of and I'm like, I would And also, enough of these things are people should not be using the word of viva without me being able to engage it. If you're using the Hebrew word for spring, I want to

know what's going on. My god, you're so right. I feel like your drag name is should be a viva. A guy, I would just recommend you start with Salt Lake City and get caught up there because there's the least homework to do, and it's it's very much top of mind conversationally for for for gay guys and and the culture at large. Time. It's all right, and you're gonna like it because it's a crime thriller. Also here lots of Jews. There is to Lisa and Meredith or no,

Lisa is Mormon down, but she's culturally Jewish Jewish. Yeah, okay, so Lisa and Meredith, Meredith, she's Jewish. And then but it's obviously and I do think that you will find a lot of interesting stuff in there about the Mormon of it all. Definitely. Well, look, there are moments in life that you will remember, and this was one of them. I just I'm sorry, I did a quick google. If you heard typing sounds, I was just quickly googling Lisa Barlow Jewish and yeah, your family was Jewish, but she

was not lovely Jewish. Yeah, okay, Well, thank you for a lovely less culture ristas. I have missed you guys a great deal. I was lovely to have some talk. Oh my gosh, this was this was truly the best part of my week. And to have good meat to chew on and to have thank you for making me watched Maybe wouldn't have watched it, you know what. I First of all, I don't believe you would not have watched it. I mean it made it might have taken

me like months or something. You know, frequently, here's the thing, like Bowen is gonna see it. I'm gonna I'm gonna guess. I'm gonna wager that Bowen will will get will see at something over the next week, even I think that he's not gonna be able to stand it um. And then it's gonna occupy time on next week's episode two because I just know he's going to have a lot to say, even if it's a different opinion than us. Yes, I'm I'm all wager that it won't be too different.

My two very smart friends have made very interesting points, but bow and Yang is first and for aelmost his own person. Absolutely, it's very true. Okay, Well, we end every episode of the song good good good good. Yeah, to listen to that song Beachless, Listen the beach Boys, good vibrations, Smile Lost, Brian will Doan. Yang is revealing his knowledge of I love the Boys. He loves American culture. Fine fe