"More Sluts" (w/ Julie Klausner)

coming into towns. His parents are famously you know, his parents, and he said, I have to get rid of all my game materials. And I said, okay, I'll be a true friend to you and you can come over and you can give me your game materials. So I'm going to give them back to you right now in a in a rainbow lined zipper. I got this at l A Pride. It is a you know, nicely sized Jim with L A Pride all over it and rainbow strap. Everyone.

We have cake Boy magazine stuff. Had to come to my apartment because Bowen was you were nervous about your parents seeing this? Um No, I wasn't. I'm not nervous about the conversation. But like my mom was very intent on cleaning the doing a deep clean of my new apartment and for her, like she was going to stumble on all this like aggressively queer gay. Yeah, I'm gonna pass this around. So these materials are they're they're pretty

aggressively gay. This magazine cake boy, cake boy, Yeah, San Santiago, wonderful, and give you all of these back. And then there's this little wicker basket full of full of fallacy of your fallast toys. And now here's the thing. I was actually being a really I was being very respectful of you and not going through them. And then I decided to stop being respectful of you. I went through that. I don't mind that you went through them. But then

there's one levent bow tie. What is this? That's from mom, that's from Golden Globes when I wanted to buy a tide that that matched to my my blazer. So it's not necessarily sexual. Not not you thought it was. You thought this this fancy bot type of sectional. I thought, this is like some role places. That's okay, bo type fun narrative. Our guests loves this. That's a funny narrative. I love that sometimes I'm gonna have sex with the bow tie on one day. I think you should. Actually

you should too. I actually got a chub thinking about it. Whoa about you having sex at the bowt tire about me having sex at the boat time. I don't know just about in general. Now I'm scared to touch any of this, and I haven't. Well, they're all I may, I always, always, always, whenever I store that those things the way, I always clean deep deep deep clean. Well, that's good. And soap and water is fine. Soap and water is fine. That's what I was told by by

the worker reader. Soap and water is water. So we've got four different kind of kind of girths and size of One of them is a trainer that this one. That one's the trainer. This is a trainer that, yes, which I think is super manageable and super helpful. This one's fun. I think I've seen you perform with this well one show. I bought most of these. We did Queer Slive at Joe's Pup. I saying I can hear the bells, and I sang it to I directed it

to instead of Zach Effron, instead of Link. I directed it to a dildo was me sort of partnering, singing about my love and intimacy with these toys. This one is so big. I haven't I haven't been able to crack that one. Literally, yeah, I mean this is this is oh my god, anyway, this is this is too much. It's not too much? Well, okay, all right, so too much for you? It's not too much for me? Is it too much for I? Guess no. She she's enjoying it.

She's understands the culture. She can't be squeamish. But I have in my hands that is a douche bald. Okay, cool, so you know. But but now, but now, the whole now this, the whole community has gone behind this idea that too much douching is bad, right, I think it can can ruin the place it tenderizes the tissue there too much so that we're going to thank you for giving this back to me. And then and then there's some prints of these like fun little um, you know,

vintage book covers. I kind of love Mr Queen. And then that's well, then that's some covering up something else behind the glass. What's behind the glass is a born gay, born to be gay by J x Williams. I mean, these can't be real books. Fear drove this, fear drove him into the third sex shadow world. Yeah, but all the men are really handsome, but men are hands them. I mean one of them has a fucking knife out.

What is it like? There's that's true. I think there's a lot of this sort of like, you know, he's got a knife out, so he's giving you masculinity, but he's also giving you a face that's like like he is extraordinarily gay. We'll post pictures of the pictures of this, but it's like it's like like it seems like the narrative is that he's like at the Navy for Born to Be Gay with the man with the knife out, under that these two are going to hook out, these two are gonna look up. But born to be Gay.

The cover of that is a man being chased, a man in a blazer being chased by three blue collar Brooklyn Navy yard types from way back in the day when that was like the spot and so that I think that's the narrative there. What do you know what it's it's historical accuracy and I don't I don't mind

that at all. Do you want the bag, I would I can take the bag in the bag because also not for nothing, but you're going to be going to the I've seen pictures of you because I'm on your close friends on Instagram, and I've been posting a lot been up in the gym and she looks good. I've been posting a lot of a lot of slutty little little thirst traps. And I live so close to my gym. I can just walk in there and my little my

little shroud, and she's been looking at too. This is what I've been talking This is what I want to talk about up top really quickly. On our our last guest, Katie youth Ashcraft just left and we got on the topic about um, you never forget your first guy to party with a guitar? Yes, thank you for bringing this. Who was your mind? Was? Okay? Well, I'm sorry I rhetorically asked you who yours? But I'm interested in my answer. Do you want to help? But I just really quickly

want to get mine out. Jason Lucas. Jason Lucas, he was very much like a zac Efron high school musical narrative. There was there was that narrative behind where he was on the lacrosse team, and our musical theater director had to convince him to be the lead in Crazy for You the Gershwin juke Box had to be convinced and it was this big moment where he's like, yes, I'll do it. He crossed over into the into the grubby theater world of our high school and then was great.

And now he's um. Now he's a photographer. I love that he's lovely happy that he found an artistic pursuit. Absolutely, and but that he was in that theater teacher is to thank short miss Wood now. But we we've talked at length about how we don't we dislike her. But Jason was the heart throb at the school. His whole thing was Jason Mraz's songs. Yes, so it was obsessed

with Jason Raz and that was a little trouble. This reminds me I wish that the guitar boy in our high school who was my friend's name was Trevor Lacarross. I wish he was into Jason Urras because that would have been like applicable to me. You would have lashed

onto it. Yeah, he played a lot of like fish current thing and then one time at a cross country party, he started to play Kelly clarkson since You've Been Gone, and I was like, okay, let me just turn my because I had been wanting to masturbate to him, you know what I mean, Like he had all the tools and I was like, please just like crossover with one of my interests. And then it was such a bad rendition of since You've Been Gone that I was like,

here's the thing about these guitar guys. It's like they whip out the guitar and you're like, okay, cool, I'll entertain this, and then every audition is bad. These guys aren't musicians. They just have a guitar. Sure, sure, sure, So sorry Trevor, Sorry Trevor. You can you can you master? You match it to him? Once I did a lot, Okay, there you go. I was gonna say, your imagination can fill in the gaps and you can imagine him doing a good rendition of since You've been Gone. God, my

taste she hasn't changed. Um. So here's the thing about our guests has the best taste truly. I mean, you know, I'm working with her now and I know and I was every day is every day is a beautiful, beautiful lesson. Every day is a beautiful glimpse into like a true great mind I think God. I mean, okay, quick, quick credits, right down, difficult people, um fucking creators, star writer. Uh

and how is your week? Podcasting pioneer, I would say, and then, um, you know, wrote some of I'm just gonna bring this up because I think it's truly one of my favorite and Chris especially one of my favorite Christmas l sketches, which is Christmas Time for the Jews claimation. They had to They shot that like in the summer, like months before Claymation, especially Real Culture number forty four claimation. Um hello, I just I just love our guests so so,

so so much. Um and so please welcome into your ears, Julie, so excited to be here. Did you deal with a lot of like guys with guitars in your life? I feel like they would love to impress you with. I went to one drama club party. It was when I frenched for the first time. We all watched Heathers and yeah, there was some acoustic, but it was very pre you know, generationally, like pre morazz. Yeah, I mean, what are we getting

at that time, like someone's swipping out a guitar. They're playing like, oh you know what then yeah, Tom Tom Chapin like all my life's circle, like that kind of thing. Very crunchy and gray, crunchy and great. Now where did you fall into the drama club cast systems? She didn't get the leads? So I dropped at a media Yeah, whatever you for like knowing to get out of Oh I mean Jordan Peele get out? Yeah? Was this okay? Walk me through scars Yale? Okay, scars Dale drama club?

What is what is that? What is that? I'm so I'm so endlessly fascinated with that specific social thing. Guys with Fedora's and like long dish hair. Yeah, and a lot of fish like you were mentioning a lot of birken Stocks, a lot of SUVs with like grateful dead bears on that. I don't hate Hackey Stacks on the leader activity. I don't hate frisbee. They loved frisbee or they called it ultimate ultimate ultimate, Yeah, because I think ultimate frisbee. But this's what some people would call even

a sport. But then you actually drop the name of the thing. Yeah, I mean, I mean that's beautiful. But okay, but this does not because we've talked a lot about your Long Island High School, you know, flavor, and that never appealed to me. This all sounds good to me. Yeah, there's a little bit more polished. It's a little bit um, I guess more Ethan Allen and like less west Olm. Maybe I don't know that it's actually accurate. That's accurate.

I don't know. Maybe crate and barrel, even crate and barrel is like a little like I think blooming deals are sacks, like like the department stoes of the o G Like they're like the you know, the father's son, the holy goes right? Well, can I try went out? Scars Dale is Ethan Allen and Long Island is Jennifer Convertiable. Depends on which part of Long Island, so I from

South Jennifer. Absolutely. This reminds me of of a Cole of school all the character named Jennifer Convertible, and he has a line of script where, um, he solves a murder, solves a crime or something, and then some and then someone, and then he he has someone in the audience read opposite him, and then the line is but Jennifer, how did you figure it out? And then he ends up with um. He works for Ikea Robert, so I put the pieces together myself. And also, of course the villain

in that story is a woman named Ikea. Oh is it? Yes? Why don't know? My cold school is brilliant? I mean, yes, okay,

discus like talented favorite people in the world. Really understands why women are funny, like how women are funny and broken women like this the specificities of like the springs that are losing the cogs I mean, And he combines that with really understanding like how you know bad writing can be really funny good bad writing, or just knowing all the tropes but also knowing people and right right, he's so fabulous. The apex for me has to be

the sunny d called happy happy Orange. Yeah yeah, yeah, just like that piece to me is he's great at Mom's great at mom Mom. But the example of like bad writing made good for me at the moment that sticks out for me is and we can get off, we can stop talking about um. But his um he sometimes he will open sometimes for for a while, he would open up his character sets with a light stand up and he'd be like, so I was just in Europe and um, the only thing Europeans hate more than

Trump is having sex with a ma. It's like, it's it's like such a nice, such a dumb funny joke is called he is called anyway, Julie, how's your summer going? It's horrible. I desguise it everything, but you you, what's the what's like the what's the what's your escape that I have? None? Film and film and television and food? But yeah, the humanity, I mean it's boring. You can't talk. The thing is like all you can talk about is the weather because it's like unimportually bad, and then you

feel like boring for talking about it. But it's like, no, we have to call out a crisis and we all had swine flu, we'd be talking about it like everyone's sick, unless you're I don't know, yeah, unless you're not interested in the people that are like it's summer baby, like what I don't know what they're like somebody, So I think Lewis Vertell Snideley Ones tweeted like wait, Louis vere Snidey tweeted but like one time tweeted like um, like it's the something to the effect of like boring people

say summer sucks, and like like, why would you prefer fall? I was like, this is clearly someone that's never spent time in the New York. It's like it is uninhabitable here, and you live in Los Angeles, bitch. So it's like I just wanted to mention that I think Louis Bertel is a true wit. I'm in awe of his and his turn of phrase, and yeah, I didn't want to just be snarky. No, no, not give him the props. No, he's he's brilliant God Cole. And now Lewis, I'm sorry,

should I stop mentioning? It's going to become a supportive I can't fucking leave this. I will say this one of the fastest people I've ever met, Lewis. Yeah, like like truly, like like it'll just happen. And it's just like that was like a perfect joke, and it's just it just happens out of nowhere. Rights rights, but but phil human being, I mean, nasty, dirty, met everywhere. Perfect. I love gay Man, your favorite game man go, my

friend Nate, my best friend name. He was in town for Bear week last week and he was squid fishing and he got inked, and he sent a photo of his face with all this like black, it looks like black Jis it looks like it looks like the Baba dude came on his face. Yeah. I love that. No, he's the best, So he's the number one. I love him. Yeah. I mean I haven't performed there, but I've spent time there and it's so fun and I really do love it, and I know it's like I just can't be like

snark your snide about it. It's just such a special, magical place. You and John water Is both like have this genuine unadulterated have you not? Have you not connected with it or not been? I just haven't been. We actually have not been. I've been. I've been to. I've been to include Fire Island and Palm Springs, and like I feel like I have to complete the triumvirt of like you have to do a show there, you would

be a hit. I mean some of the comedy shows there are like Dina Martinez amazing and like, yeah, you know, you should definitely do that for next summer. I always love what they have, like runs of like I think it's it's great, you love it. Yeah, And I also like, we went to Disney World a couple of years ago and if Mazzoni, our friend, looks around, he's like, it's like Pete Town here on Mainstream USA. I'm like, do

you remember that? We were very high that when we were He was like, it's like Pete Town here on like main Street USA and Disney World. Amazing, But hey, what's this? Can we can we can? We can? We clock this on the pod, this New York dermatology group water Pottle. I'm not giving you guys a selfie today because I got like a chemical peel. So I'm going to do a selfie with you tomorrow at work in the most photoshop you can find, the most flattering, but

not that you flattering. Yeah, um, but yeah, I got um yeah. A little bit of this, a little bit of that, a little bit of dogs, little bit cats, a little dance, little seltzer down your pants. Wait, speaking of cats, I think because did you guys talk about the trailer? Yes, we must know. We've been talking about cats as a recurring theme on the show for like the past year and a half. It's bizarre because on this show is just like randomly, guess we're always have

an Anne. It's about cats, and it's like what is going on? And now I'm realizing like neither of us have ever seen it and we've never seen it. Have you seen it on? Like? I love it? So talk us three your first impressions, your with one of my earliest the trailer. I just want to say about the show, like it was one of my earliest memories. Like I remember my mother leaving me at pre school and I

remember being in the audience. I was probably five. I was five because I remember it was my birthday and like I think it opened an eighty two was five and eighty three. So I remember being in like one of the first few rows and having you know, the actresses like actors come out from the background. How hasn they interact with you? And one of the you know says, oh no, that would be a different you know, yeah exactly. They have those huge dance bells, which always intimidated and

intrigued me as you lady watching the Nutcracker. But in in the my first performance Cats, like that, this actress came over and like she touched my arm, stroked my arm, and I looked down and I saw she was wearing a fingerless glove and she had chipped orange fingernails. And I remember thinking, oh my god, that's a real person and she's a really cool chick. He reminds me of my cool babysitter Dana. And I just remember thinking, this is the best night of my life. I just was thrilled,

beyond compared. And did you feel like at that time you can follow like a story or like you know what was happening or is it kind of just like the spectacle of it all? And it's like we're watching cats. The great news is that cats has no Yeah, it's just cats singing about other cats. So what will they do with the movie? That's Oh boy, what are your impressions on the trailer that is cat? It's it's shocking, like there's I mean, it's one of those it's like

it's like Trump. It's like it's not even funny, like Trump would be great for comedy. How you're like, just let me stop bleeding, get me out of And that was what the trailer was to me. I was my jaw dropped. I was just I was just horrified right away, and like it only got worse. I mean as it went, it did get worse. But I will say this, you will see it opening night if I didn't get invited to the premiere, which I probably won't. You know, well,

let's campaign. Let's start the campaign here and now is to get Julie. Like all of my advice now came from like Facebook groups like yeah strong strong for Julia to be invited to like you know, like the season two premiere of Los's Spookies, like previously attainable. Yeah. I think my favorite thing about the trailer is pretending we live in a world where like Jennifer Hudson is older than oh, it's like Jennifer Hudson is Grizabella. And also

here I'll say this, I'll bravely say this. With the performance of memory that I heard in that trailer, I hope it's one of those situations where it's like, that's not the performance because I wasn't feeling that local. Yeah yeah, I was just so far. I'm still like digesting it. I can't even like separate the elements yet. I remember you actually tweeted about it and you were like, leave me alone right now. I was like, just like, please respect my privacy still digesting, and I mean it's just,

I mean, I don't even know what to say. I just I have these feelings it might be an ad for the Lion King. Honestly, I cats are having a moment. Big cats, small cats, cats, human sized cats, scale like cats. That was like the wrong scale. There's no way that those celebrities knew it was going to end up looking like that, right, I don't like. They probably showed up, got into the green unitards with the ping pong attached, did their part, and then said all right, see you

at the premiere. And it would be amazing because that guy did lay miss where he was obsessed with, like live saying remember that was like real, it was like looking and they said all right, see later. And when that trailer dropped, I just picture Taylor Swift with her yogurt or whatever, being like, oh my god, because she is also sort of unrecognizable in the trailer, right, I didn't know that was her until they said it was her. And I know that there was a call that was

like can you get my name off of the poster? Wow? I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. I feel like like if I'm one of the actors. I'm thinking, like, well, it's been like fully ten eleven years since Avatar, and Avatar looks like cool, I guess, so maybe they'll make this look cool like that. But it fully looks like like an Instagram filter where it's like, turn me into a cat. That's what it looks like. And let me just say, Avatar looked like ship the end. It looks

like ship today, and cats looks like Avatar completely. I feel like what I guess? I guess. I feel like you would like totally animate it, right, but this is like that's Jennifer Hudson's face on an Instagram film Digital for technology, like they're like technology. The thing I'm excited about is at least it's a big swing and I love big swings and big flops. Not that it will

flop financially. I don't know anything about that world clearly, but like I just that like it's a it'll be a phenomenon, and yes, and that's exciting because no one wants like a you know, a quiff in the wind, like you want like a big disaster, Like yeah, that's exactly right. It's always like like I was watching that

documentary about Alan Carr, who produced the Academy Awards. You know, White and Rob Low in the opening, and that to me and you should watch is eleven minutes and it really is a crash and burn on this royal scale. And and those are really the spectacles that like Mark times. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's not fun if they take if things just barely happen exactly. Yeah. Like it's like I find that with a lot of these big movies that come out now, Like it's like they come out and then

they're gone. It's like, give me a fucking moment. Remember, Like I remember when Disney would release a movie in the late nineties, Like I remember distinctly when Pocahona's came out.

There was like a huge concert that was like Vanessa Williams singing in like an eight hundred foot gown and she sang Colors of the Wind and leaves flew around, and it was like, you know, I guess we're getting kind of close to it with like they they eventized lyon King a little bit and I just saw a lion king um, But it was like, I don't know, I feel like with these movies that there's so many teenpoles they just kind of happened and then they were gone,

Like Spider Man Far from Home like happened and then it was gone. And that's because there's so much rights cycle. Yeah, like just people stopped talking about something after a week, no matter what it is, which is like why I love these end of the year musicals. Like in the same way that you're saying, it's like Cats is already an event. Yeah, this is already a cultural event. And I was just saying in the last episode, like these women next to me, who, by the way, narrated the

whole Lion King, which I would have it no other way. Um, they fully were like the trailer happened, and the one girl goes to the other, look what they have. Jennifer Hudson wearing watched this, and they watched it and they're cracking up laughing, and then they go, well, now we know what we're not going to see. And I turned to them and I said, You'll be there, I'll be there, We'll I'll be there, And then they started laughing because we all knew it was true. We're all going to

see I love the you made friends at a movie theater. Well, I mean if they didn't want attention. That was then that was unclear because they wanted at that. I once sat next to British ladies at brunch and they said, these pancakes are mental. British people with the breakfast, I'll never forget mental. One time I was like sixteen, like working at in a seafood place and we served breakfast and these British people were like, do you have preserves?

And I was like, the fuck is the preserve? Not knowing that could imagine to be like, well, I can't just have clotted cream on my shop. What do you? What do you mental? Preserves? You need? You both need to start watching Love Island. You both need to start watching. It's something that gets said to me a lot. It's phenomenal you are you a Bachelor person or I'm not, But I did watch. I did watch one season and I like the Bachelors. There's so many female characters the Bachelor.

It is a nightmare, a nightmare, that's just I mean, are you iconically Julie is a is a housewife's person. I'm so glad, I mean, and I'm sorry, Like as as Vulture recappers me and Matt, I mean, I feel like you set the model for like comedian recapper for for a TV But that was fun. That was fun. But um, I, but are you of in a proper roles person? I so this is gonna sound so snotty, and I feel bad for anyone I alienate by saying that after Trump won, I stopped watching any house any problem.

I just get that. And I don't mean to be like judgment. I'm certainly not people that because I certainly did, but like, I just can't hang out. I can't watch and spend company with people that aren't very smart right now. It's just not just not funny to me right now, I hear you. And also there's something too, I think as honestly, like, yeah, that's that's so interesting because post the Trump thing is when I got into to it, and I think it's because I was like, it's fully

escapism for me. It's like it's like a fully opposite absolutely, but you watch it now and all I can think about is Okay, Well, um, Luanne and Sonia clearly voted for Trump. Well they yea Ramona says she didn't vote, which to me, it was definitely Ramona and like Bethany, Bethany Dorenda, maybe Tinsley are like the only people who are let you know, okay, so this is what this is. Literally, Andy Cohen asked the question of them at this New

York reunion and it was who voted for Hillary? Dorinda, Bethany and Carol, Carol Shildly raised their hands and then he goes, okay, so did you vote for Trump? And the rest of them wouldn't raise their hands. They were just like, we don't want to talk about it. And that was Luanne, Ramona and Sonya, which so reads. And then Tinsley was like, I didn't vote that. And they sent to Tinsley and they're like, you didn't vote. She was like yeah, and they were like where are you registered?

And she's like, Florida. I thought she was gonna say, um, Harry Winston register, but she was like she literally was like I'm not a political person. And it was just this moment they started scoring it. Yeah I can't. I just can't do it anymore. And again like nothing but respect for Andy Ko and I think is just like a ringleader of a foth modern age. But but yeah, it just and it wasn't like a decision, It just

was a switch in my brain. I you know, he wont and I started rewatching all these movies that I loved. You know. That's so at least again pushed you in that direction, which is well. And also like the movies that you've seen are my favorite kinds of movies. Like whenever I'm browsing on Netflix, I'm like, oh, this is a good category, and it's always like watch it again because you know how they end. And I to, you know,

connect everything to the election. But there is some like you know, finite like taste based identity that you have to like marinate in a little flick your wounds. Oh my god, it actually that makes sense to me. And I didn't I didn't know what about myself, but I think you're right. Like I will watch Clueless five thousand times a year because and I watched it with a

bunch of like I watched it in Palm Springs. I was like a bunch of game and Lewis was there and we were all just reciting it as it was going and it was the most fun thing about the vacation. And people used to do that in church, you know. That's how and that's actually is my religion. And I am allowed to know and it's a good one. Yeah, But knowing all the words and having that community and having something that you worship and that you have like

comfort from me, it's a blessing. And also that movie is perfect, But that is that is not a this

is not aneath. What Julia said about like needing like a taste centered identity in order to lick your rooms from this like traumatic world experience is like, that's this is a recent thing that I've been I've talked to you about this where I'm just like playing cultural catch up with like and like we're we're like Julian and I are in the room this room all the time, like talking about like old movies and the things that I have not seen, and it's like I need to know.

It's an imperative that I'm making in my brain to watch and consume these things because it's a part of what like, yeah, it's a part of culture, but it's it's kind of part of what we all do is to like reference these things. It's also like, I mean gay men like you look at like Vito Russo, who

like established the Cannon. He would have screenings on his roof of Betty Davis movies because it was very important to him that the gay community you know, got their you know, vegetables and went to school like it was just children. I forgot children, absolutely, And I just I think that there is something to cannon and you know, it's just's nice to have a you know, even though like everyone gay men like, it's fun to you know, insult each other like it is a real community and

it is like culturally like that. You know, we have this great book club, the Secret book Club. I meanly said, like like any sort of like little drama that happens amongst the group of gay friends like in the grand scheme does not fucking matter. Like we would all kind of like have each other's backs anyway. And there is this kind of like language yes where lesbian lesbians World War three literally if not if lights aren't out of nine, we're fighting, we're fighting. But yeah, I know that is

that is very true. Here's the question I have for everyone, Um, what is the one thing that you know you should have seen or like like that that you haven't as I know my I think I have. I have. I have many answers to this, but I have one that's that's informed by Julie. I think really because mine is bris Mary's baby, because I know how much love it. Yeah, yeah, you are Ruth Gordon in that movie. Well, Ruth Gordon

is so fabulous. But who who's the guy you? I think you've you've said that that he's like the top villain of all times. Yeah, we explain this again like he's just don't want to because okay, I'll you got to see it. She spits in his face at one point and it is like the only triumph unhappy ending. But when she does that, which is low. I mean you see people kick guys in the balls or slap them, but sitting in the face, in his face, and it

is and he deserves. And also that Mia Pharaoh, the children have forgotten that they must remember because the fact of the matter is those performances, those horror performances. You have to respect that kind of thing, Like Tony Collette recently did it in Hereditary, where it's like the kind of how difficult it is to discover something that terrifies you.

And after imagine being an actress reading a script and being like okay, cool and then like that that's not actual surprise on that screen, that is a tough thing to act. And Mia Pharaoh is in a state of constant, realistic, grounded disbelief and horror for such a long time, and that is a the children have forgotten the legendary performance and a survivor. Talk about a survivor. Oh yeah, and in real life as well and fragile, Yeah truly. But

I'm my god an Hereditary. Yeah, you're right, Like just I imagine Tony Collett reading it in the scriptlet like she discovers that her daughter's beheaded and like that scream because you don't see it? Have you seen Hereditary? But

I mean, yes, you're you're horror curious curious. I like to read yes horror movies on Wikipedia, but I can't actually want you see, I'm the same, and like even like the two trailer just came out and I know, I know it has like Jessica Chastain, who I would love to watch act in anything, and I know there's like a great trailer featuring her, and I'm like, I can't scary. The trailer is horrible. Oh yeah, I saw it.

I saw it, but I literally was buying I was buying food at the like Delhi on my corner the other day and the guy goes to me. He never speaks to me, he goes, yo, I just watched the too trailer and I was like, is it so scary? He was like, it's the scariest thing ever, and like we just like bonded over how we weren't going to see men that That only goes so far pop culture. Baby, but you must see Rosemary's Baby because you could turn a great Ruth Gordon. You could do some good Ruth

Gordon Dragay. Rosemary's Baby is a good companion to the original Stepford Wives, not the origin, basically the original get out but with totally a genius, genius genius, and Katherine Ross is beautiful and she also gives a fabulous performance where you could see her the same thing with Tony Colette.

You can see her like flutter and eyelash and you know play like the small moments, the little things that are like that are like wow, like that you have the rewinding but that is and the remake of it truly is like garbage. So don't remember being a little kid and well and watching and watching that movie and it's even watching the trailer. I remember seeing that trailer in theme and I was just like, I was like,

it's Amazon, Amazon Prime. And in that moment of her, if you she'd be there that afternoon, that was that was get me out of my house. That was her like post the Rouge moment where she was like a mainstream star in a real way and she was taking jobs right. But I just it's this thing that we've talked about on the show lately where it's like as you're your kid, it's it imprints on you. You You know, you don't know why you're responding to it exactly separate wise,

like there's something about this that I love. Yeah, but that's but minus was Mary's baby, what's yours? I mean, I'll get murdered, but it's the sound of music because I was it's okay, have you seen Cabaret? Yes, you're fine. Well, I also grew up maybe maybe maybe this is YouTube, but I grew up in a funny girl house. Yeah, my mom is a huge barber stand. It's not a dicotom thing that but it's what films that niche for me,

you know what I mean? Like it was like a funny girl was what was on all the time, and your parents raised you right, here, You're good. You're good. And like I was, I think Chris I was talking. I was like talking to Chris Schliker about how I hadn't seen Sound of Music. It's like, well you should, and I'm like, I'm not going to watch it now. If I watch anything now, it will be the Cary Underwood version, so I can laugh. You're not going to

watch it, ever, though, that's what that's what? That's what. Have you seen Mary Poppins? Yes, okay, so you know Julie Andrews fabulous, brilliant. I prefer her in Mary Poppins because she's sort of a dom in that and she's very vain and I really like that better than I mean, it's it's it's Americana knows how to make an American quilt. There you go, it's how to make an American quote. Are you saying that you're never intentionally never going to

see Sounding It's long? But and that's my problem with things now. Like Julie was saying before, it's like, I don't want to watch something new that's going to take up a large chunk of time. I think that's why we're seeing television pop off in this way and like even shorter and short episodes of things, because it's like there is so much. It's not one of four event movies to come out in a year, and I know that what what its cultural impact is. So I'm good.

I have like um holes in my like um like orson Wells and like a lot of like seventies stuff like I never saw like Midnight Cowboy, and I, you know, feel bad about that. But like they'll start to watch Easy Rider and I'll be like, I just can't do it, Like I it's just yeah, unless I'm like baking at the same time, things that can be on in the background, I guess. But then if and then if it's on the background, why not a podcast or why not for me right now? Housewives? It's like that kind of deal.

I guess you could say you're reaching yourself culturally by like watching these films of the seventies when cinema was very it's very mask it is, but not mask with share, right, not mask with share? Wait, I would literally it's so that you're saying that for mask, mask per mask, just two people who enjoy that movie, that's the new mask for masks. Its coach number eleven Masks masks, but yeah, no, I was recently, um so a lot of these like like Lewis actually I think created this, but he was

as a lot of these gays. Lewis. Lewis was the first person remember asked me, who's in your coven? So Covin is like five actresses that like you can recall and bring to mind, like whether or not they were like important in your life or like they conjure something up about like your connect to them in a way that you can't really explain. And my friend Jared was was like trying to figure out what his coven was, and I was like, don't take this any any which way,

but I think Share might be in your coven. And he was like, oh, I don't know, and I'm like see, but like Shared to me is like earthy, fiery as an actress, so underrated, a fabulous well how underrated are

you with an oscar rather your girl? To be fair, but I will say like as a diva, she is incredibly talented and embodying other care and especially like you know, I mean not to I never snark out a woman's physical appearance in the sense of like I chose to get surgery and like, but she was very emotive, Like she had her original face so stunningly beautiful, and she was able to express so much with it. Yeah, she she does have that. It's crazy for someone who's literally performing.

If I could turn back time to also feel grounded real like that woman on the on the like the next door amazing. She's really good. Have you seen share stuff? Yeah, movies, movies moonstruck, but like I will go back and watch Old Sunny and share clips. Clips are good. Yeah, you know it's all fluff, but like I'm not all fluff, but like, but just share just like landing a punchline or just reacting to something to Stunny, just being like

whatever she's you can. Yeah, her quote, original face, which I love, Like that's what you can with her tea than or I mean her nose in her mouth and just just her the color, the tone of her skin. It's like she goddess. I couldn't agree more. Yeah, she and like Burnett Peters from Oh my God, Complexion And I've been thinking about the Pennies from Heaven. Have you ever seen it? I've never seen it. It's good. I only thought it recently, but like it's it's good. It's

dark and not to sound weird Martin and Burnette. Peter R. Yeah, wait, what is it? Explain so I haven't seen it. A musical from I believe nineteen eighty called Pennies from Heaven Um take place in the depression. Who else isn't it? Jessica Harper, who was also a fan of The Paradise Um. It's it's it's dark, like, but there's some amazing musical numbers.

I just like any musical with like a sense of darkness, which is why I'm not like as much of a sound of music, Like I'm definitely more in the you know later. But but yeah, it's it's pretty great. Yeah. Yeah, there's this whole fantasy sequence where she goes into a classroom. Yeah, and she's wearing Bob Mackie and it's right and this huge and it's gorgeous, like all these children are wearing

like white tuxes and like, I'm sure that's online. Yeah, YouTube, we'll tweet that, like you can find it along with them The Born to Be Gay but cover Um, I'm always like shocked when I go to YouTube. I like, I mean, maybe this exists and I'll type it in like there's this concert version of Sweeney Todd that I love with Patty, with Patty and George hern and that neo Patrick Harris, that one I think is like good, that's truly Sweeney Todd for me. And like everything else

I listened to, like like strike me down. But even like the Angela version I find to be like a little cartoonist is gone. It's just accepted because for me, it always comes down to worst Pies in London, like like, and I've never seen a worst pies in London like Patty Lepone does in that concert is everything. Like her singing is just so expressive and on point and operatic and like you get every single word and the stories being told. And she's also so funny. She's really funny. Yeah,

she's a ballbuster. Yeah. But I remember like I was like, maybe they'll have this, and I typed it into YouTube and you could see the whole the whole thing. Well. Recently, like like people have been putting up like full Broadway shows and specifically of Sondheim stuff like old like like I like I had never seen Sunday in the Park until someone put up the like many even taking Bernadette production and I was like, this is I smoked ball and I watched it and it was like, this is

the most beautiful thing I've ever seen it. I mean that Sweeney Tod Concert version. That could be your whole night. I mean you could just sit it down and it's long and it's good, and that's that is something that I would say, if you haven't seen it, you got to see that, because that's a piece of art. I see. My thing with Sweeney is I've beyond the the movie. I've never seen a full production. That's a shame. So

that's why. I mean, I really like the Angel Landsbury version, which it is it is filmed in the same way that Sunday is. Right, you know, it was like someone was like, we have to get this on. There's some kinds that can be the most entertaining, but like for people who will appreciate it, it it will be you know, will be valued and looking we appreciate it. Wait, or did you want to ask who we have there's Oh well, I could say actually I had to ask the question

because it's like so finite. But I would say one other thing, which is there's obviously there's Into the Woods with Bernadette, which is you can watch in full some places. And also, you guys, if you're in New York, you can always go to Lincoln Center and you can go just like go over this, but you can go to

Lincoln Center and watch the whole productions. Like I recently, I think it was like six seven months ago did this with Assassin's which one the one with Petrock Cares and I Michael Servers as Newsome Award um so, but

but that's a really good production. And then it is of course I'm on Victor Garberos John Wilkes spoof and I actually we have a friend, um Nico who's like really into politics and like really loves this stuff, and he had never seen this and I told him like last week, I was like, you should check this out. And he has texted me every single day about it and now he loves it. It's a good one to

get familiar with because it's super relevant. Yeah, that's also a good like Gateway straight guy like show that in like all every strike I've ever met, like Skyes and Dolls. Really another straight guy show, strict eye show we have we talked about and wait, this is another and if this is truly putting it on the spot, then tell me to shut up. But have I asked you what your favorite show is? Oh, you know, it's it's I mean it's Gypsy because Gypsy's Okay, let me put it

this way. Gypsy is the best musical of all time. But Sunday is my favorite. Got it. That's great. It's great that you can distinguish those. Um wow, I mean you you have a whole history at Gypsy or no, you saw with Patty you said that she was Patty and no, actually I remember the first episode we did with Cole. I said this, and some people were like, what I felt that she marked the matin night that I saw. Maybe she was tired, maybe she had maybe she was hungover, and it's her right, you know what

it was like? It was like still Patty. But I was like, oh man, I really wanted to be like blown away, like the way I was blown away by Alice Ripley and next to normal, I was like blown away by something and um anything. But I saw her in Drowsy Chaperone in three Views when I was little, and I was like, yeah, unbelievable, right, I love that, just the whole show off number. She's amazing yeah. I mean,

did you watch the Jimmy Awards this year. No, but you told me about them, and you showed me that clip from last year with the George Clooney girl, and that was so fabulous. Girls, you should have her on this show. Me after after we talked about it, and and she was like, hey, thanks for all the nice things you said, and I come on the show. Come on the show the teens well, because not only that, but

like they have all the performances up. So I watched that clip after you said it, and then I watched her performance sister actor. It was amazing confidence. Oh my god. Yeah, George Clooney, George Clooney, George Clooney three times and then George do you care? I don't have? Performance was stunning.

But the reason I bring up the Jimmy's is like, so they're obviously kids in there in high school, but they do like those they break it up into small groups of like the people that are really the ones to watch. Two of the girls and one of the finalist groups played the Drowsy shop around in Drowsy and there's nothing funnier to me than watching seventeen year olds play like boozed up old women. They both sang the

same song. They both sang along, and they split it up like a duet, and then they did this incredible thing at the end where they held the note out together. It's good watching one was doing more heavy lifting than the other, like one of them was the actor and one of them was the singer. You know what I mean? Singer who yeah, singers, but um no, I think like the Patty thing, I was just like expecting, you want

to see her give herself a hernia? Yeah, I wanted to see something happened up there, and it was great. But also I had grown up watching on repeat the Bernadette Peters Tony Awards performance of Rose's Turn, and I was just like blown away. But yeah, in my opinion, she's never Rose. Bernardette Peters never could. I saw that production. I was like, I love her to pieces, but she's not. When they're like all we need is someone with nerve, I was like, who, I don't see anyone in the

stage right now. I'm sorry, it's just not her, not her stick. I get it, But Patty is the Rose for you. Yeah, and I saw it with Die Daily. I heard Angel Landsber was the best ever. Yeah, but yeah, I mean when you think Rose, you think of the Patty energy. Patty was amazing. Yeah, I don't think of Yeah when I hear it. When I went, someone says Roses Turn the song, I don't think ath all, I think Patty or I think that's just totally but I my just music. In terms of the song track, I

also think of that a lot. I think from the television movie. Yeah, I think that does a really good Roses Turn, at least just the recording of it that's like on Spotify or whatever, like great, really good. I don't know, that's just me. I haven't seen anything really well. The last thing I saw, and probably that really blew me away was Once on This Island. Yeah, that was really, really, really good. I saw that with Andrew Martin. We went together.

We had a mommy daughter date. Yes that For a second, I was like, Andrew Martin was the Once on This Side. I was like, oh no, you guys are like you guys were coworkers. We went. Yeah, we went and at one point she leaned over and was like, I have no idea what's happening? Said, and I said, just enjoy it.

Oh my god, literally just at length talked about Andrew Martin how brilliant she is a big fact, regretting that the monologue about her twin was like it was like an iconic comedic along from the last like twenty years of filming. Yeah, she's amazing. Yeah, Oh my god, how often do you get to this is such a I was on a plane with her recently and we were texting. While we were like stalled in the she was like, I want bone broth and the place will be closed.

I was like, you should get food Kick or Max Liveries, Like what's that? Like, it'll be at your apartment. She's like, order it for me. I sent some bone broth to her house and she came over and like toss thirty dollars and flight attendants were very patient. I think I think difficult people just really quickly. I think difficult people was such and this is not meant to be taken anything but the right way, which is it was gay

fan service. It was just candy for gay people, like having Andrew Martin play your mom, and having like Jackie Hoffman play like this fucking mouth the wife of Fred Armis and and then having cold air and um, it's just I got I of that show. Yeah, me too. That's good. If I get God forbid hit by a bus tomorrow, I have that as my legacy, and I'm very proud. But I think I think you have. I think cool stuff happening coming up. We'll see. We'll see

what happens. Since my once my rosation clears up, anything is possible. I have to ask the question. We have to ask the question, which is, Julie, what is the culture that made you say culture is for me? This is I'm talking about so much when you say cultures for me, I mean like I want to make things, I want to do things. Yeah, I mean, honestly, sometimes I think about it that way. There's so many ways

to answer this question. Like sometimes I think, like for me, if I were to askwer the answer the question, like I could say, like Lost, the television show made me want to like write television, you know what I mean. But then like also I sometimes answer it like my parents took me to Disney World a lot growing up, and that stoke my imagination. So it's really kind of

like whatever you want. I mean obviously like that Cat's experience is very formative for me, But I also love the Monkeys, the TV show The v You when I was a little girl. So I remember there was one night where I had a nightmare and I was so scared and so upset, and I went into my parents bedroom and they were like, look, the Monkeys is on. And I remember watching that because I would always rerun it at eleven whatever they showed it for, and I've

seen it that day. But I just remember like being specifically like introduced to the notion of familiarity and and things that you love, being able to not just distract, but like super Yeah, it was Davy Jones your crush. Oh my god, last one. If I had to rank Nesmith Doland's Torque Jones. Okay, I feel like Davy Jones is the one my mom always talked to me. He was pretty was like the designated heartthrob. But Mickey is the voice of the Monkeys, like he's the best singer

and voice. Well, I at the time, when I was a little girl, I liked Mickey, and then as I mature, naturally Mike is the love. Yeah, it's interesting how that happens.

So you think you're into as a child, Sure, there's something about like a seventies aesthetic and sensibility like oh that was sixties, that it was six seven, but that's that's even before, right, Like I don't know, like just just I'm hearing the song like hey, where the Monkeys, and I'm just like, oh, I'm already like automatically comforted. I don't know what my point is. There are some beautiful, beautiful boys like yes, romping around in California with like

that was on film. I mean yeah, I was just wonderful and the songs are so that's kind of would you say, that's that's kind of like how to like that's like American like that's like good quill right. I don't know to me, very very that they also try to recreate it, but it's like that's impossible. Yeah, you gotta try to do something else because you can't recreate I have like Carol King and Neil Diamond write songs for you and boys and heart like I don't think so,

I don't think. Did you see the beautiful Carol King musical? I did. I liked it. I liked it. I saw it with the with Jesse and she was unbelieved. So I saw it with her sister Abby. She's a sister that does the same thing she does. I was, but Abby Abbey Mueller like is also a incredible I mean, I don't mean this disrespectfully, but it was like watching Jesse,

you know what I mean. It was like the strange gig to step into your sister's because it's like you're imitating someone who was imitating someone, right, Yes, it's it's it was a weird one, but it was like I was, it was kind of funny, but because the performance was great, but I was also cognisant the whole time of like I know, when you step into the role of someone originaling it, you're not supposed to do them, but you're

supposed to honor what they did. And also with your sister, so you look like her, so it's kind of like seeing the same performance. Ish. Yeah, I'm so glad I don't have a sister. I'm happy I don't have a

brother only child. We've talked about birthday, right, yes, yes, what is your I I think this is something that is like crystallizing in my brain that if it weren't for my sister handing me, handing down to me, these like what like you would imagine a heterosexual girl to enjoy Um, I would not have been able to consume like we were talking about dropping gorgeous with Katie Ash, I would not have like I would not have seen

dropic gorgeous if it weren't for my sister. I would not have had access to like a Spice Girls CD to play on repeat if it weren't for my sister. Like, this is something that I'm really like kind of landing on. Is this reality of this is this idea of like, oh, I needed her to be there in order for me to like have laid the little They men appreciate women in ways that no one else does. I mean, yeah, like I that's it is a it is a bigger blessing than most people even no let alone take advantage of.

I mean, it is so special and beyond the idea that like they're just the only people that understand how funny women are can be. And it was funny because I you were talking about I forget what you're talking about earlier, but I remember after the Democratic debate you showed me that, Yeah, I introduced say, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. I like I just

started walking around the room and it was amazing. But it was funny because my heterosexual boyfriend told me the night he was watching the debates, He's like, there's this woman I think you will think is funny. Yeah, he was like, I'm going to say. He couldn't peg it. And I don't even know if he said funny. I think like I think he was like that you'll be

interested it. He was able to mark like, I think this is like a crazy woman that like Julie might think is hilarious, which of course I do, and it tickled me to know. I mean, there's nothing like that sweet spot of a maniac, a well meaning maniac, like like just taking on more than she has any right to her swagger and out I should have to work there. And it was like you, I was like, you know,

got it is so funny, I said. We were describing it like when it happened, as like an adult Dezie moment, and I feel like there's only so many people on this planet that can appreciate the adult Decie moment as being what it was, which is the finest moment anyone could ever experience. It was the moment of my life. I know it really it really never felt like that. It's it's our defining it's basically Kennedy being shot in the head. But good, it's it's it's the other side

of that. I remember when that happens, because you talk about the moment you not only do you Matt talk about, but you talk about the moment when John he bows his hat and then the curtains part, and then you just it's close upon Adina just being like like starrified, like after Travolta after Yes. The funny thing about it is when he was talking, I literally said, I was like, how funny is it that they are getting John Travolta

to announced this like gay anthem. And by the way, if you recall, he was wearing a literal chain connecting one part of his collar to the means what he was wearing instead of a bow tie. He looked absolutely insane. And then as he was talking, I was saying to myself in my own head, I was watching a bunch of people and I was like, he might not know

her name. I was like, he like, I know, he's it's like the wickedly talented when the way and only adele the impression you're read, he's very staccato, chomping the contents talented and only so when you think about the precision with what she says, those words being used to say the wrong thing, it's heaven. I'm the confidence with what you delivered. It unbelievable. He's interesting, that Zeno god to be seen. Yeah, maybe it's maybe it's it's definitely

he's not born but not born with much. He made the most of what he was born with. That well, I mean, yes, true good looks fascinating, his fascinating career, truly, because I always feel like Greece must have been the

first thing, not even welcome back. Yeah about Travolta, No, it's about Allen car the produced reproduced Greece as well, and that insane Academy Awards thing and can't stop the music, the Village People musical and yeah, so you so, I had this moment with Travolta during American Crime during a where I'm actually crazy, so funny. I really enjoyed him. Yeah, I mean he was. That's the kind of thing where it's like actor meats performance and it's like it's so

surreal that it's just whoa whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. But that whole the Ryan Murphy casting of it all bananas because Cuba getting Junior and O. J. Simpson that's like a weird matchup. But it did work. I think it for the most part of Dead that was like a very artfully executed Ryan Murphy granule. I prefer feud, yes, okay, and what's happening? I mean, when what is Diana? And um, what's this? Do you know? This is Prince Charles versus Diana coming up? Nothing? It was literally like they said,

the next feud is Charles and Diana. They also said the next American crimes for it was Katrina and that didn't happen either, And I heard that they like it, and like then they then they shelved it the because because Nette bending was fully the lead of it, and then it didn't come out. But this this Charles and Diana thing seems like such a good opportunity, especially right now when everyone is obsessed with like the royal family

of it all, Like and who played Diana? Well, they wouldn't, But when I was almost I was almost positive it was Gwyneth because of the Glee thing, because because she's had right, she's with Ryan Murphy, she's a movie star. Who would who would I think only do so much. Television would be better, Daryl Hannah, Daryl just talked about She's another one is fascinating. Yeah, totally, we were, and you had brought up the Carol Radswall. She has an

athletic blankness about yes, we were? What what? What? What puts that in your mind of like Darryl and Diana, It's that kind of like a similar physicality, like the strong job, but yeah, like athletics. Yeah, but where you saying about Carol? Well, so Matt basically recapped this um a couple episodes ago. But but apparently so Carol was talking about JFK JR. So Carol Radsville was close with Carolin, and we know this, and so she was close with JFK.

But she was saying that she was saying in some interview with Jenny McCarthy recently, but America's the Michael every d she gets the Mike Wallace a dessert, truly, truly, and like watching those interviews sometimes I'm like I'm here, R and I on this YouTube channel. UM, but it's like I was watching this interview with Carol and Jenny, and Carol kind of threw this thing away where she was like well, yeah, you know, before Caroline, there was um Darryl Hannah, and so we had to endure that.

And I was like, what was that? I was like, does she not like Daryl Hannah? I was like, is Darrell Hannah a nightmare? Was a different in the nineties? And then I asked Bowen, I was like, is Darryl Hannah like Cannon? And I think she might. She's actually say it was mean and Darryl Hannah was involved with everybody John Jim Henson. She was at his funeral. Arguably she killed him, just kidding, but she was seeing him when he really Now she's married to who was she

married to? I don't know who young? Okay, that is shocking. That's like that's like when you remember that Meg Ryan is married to Mellencamp. It's like, what did they actually tie the knot? I think that they're still together. They started dating, but they only started dating of a leather necklace years right, But but but we're just not like just a long time but not long enough to be like it's they started dating after Meg like kind of

fell off. Well yeah, I mean what I what I mean to say, It's like it's like two iconic people

that you sure it's a great makes sense to me. Um, I was gonna say that the conclusion we sort of came to with the whole wise Carol being shade towards Darryll, is that Carol versus Darryl Carol they I was going to say that, like at the because Darryll Hannah was dating JFK Jr. At the height of her fame in the nineties, I guess from the late eighties where it was like she's probably doing a lot of coke and being wild, I mean crazy. I think that might be it.

I think maybe that was a little bit. I mean also, the I guess the early nineties were like a big old coke toime. Sure, sure, sure, so that's our theory. But who knows? Um, yes, but I people we have friends who like who will shoot on feuds and say that the writing is terrible. But I think I think it is the best writing of any of those. Do

you think, Yeah? I h you know what. I loved that scene where they showed Joan Crawford's in Memoriam picture and they're all watching and then Susan as Betty says, that's all any of us look at and then they say to Joan and they cheers her. It's kind of like that thing with gay men. It's like you can really pick at each other. But those women were bonded

by the experience of being a woman in Hollywood. Yeah, that that's that, And that had some really great performance supporting performance performances to like Jackie Yeah, and Alison Wright who who was also played a fictional character. But she's really right. Um. I think the coolest thing that that show dead was it we invented that famous Betty quote of Um, they say never speaking of the dead. Joe Crawford is dead. They never say anything bad about the dead.

Only good is dead good. But the way that Susan reads that Reddit was like mournful and like bereft and like she like can't believe that this woman that this like woman who's been in the trenches with her is like really smart reading on that Stan Susan very very good and even though she like her politics are crazy. But um, anyway, we won't get into it. Just smiles some Julie Klausen. Um. But yes, I mean feud. I want to see Charles in Diana. I want to see

their take on that. I'll even I love Gwyneth. There you go, I do. You're not a gwyn Stan. She's a little precious. She's a little precious. Is there is there a piece of culture? Um that because because you we're wondering if we were asking about things that made you want to create things. Is there something that comes to mind when it's that well, I mean I love the Kids in the Hall growing up, and I loved wy Allen movies and I would want to sort of

like make my own version of that. Like I liked how he could write for himself, right, the sort of close out of biographical things. Um. And then later I discovered Albert Brooks, who's like so much better, not better, but he's the best, deeper. I'm just funnier and you know, quirky and at a certain point, I mean they both you have to fall up, you have to grow up and get bad at what you do. I guess, but but yeah, I guess. But I also like, yeah, I love sketch comedy and yeah, we had we had Scott

Thompson here. We had such a conversation with him. Yeah, he's amazing talking about like, you know, being a gay man in the industry and like not getting your due, like we had such a great conversation. Oh yeah, sorry I interrupted you. No, no, no no, I was just saying like how difficult it can be too. How to say this, like like be the best at what you do and then watch the moment where they'll allow it happen like

fifteen or twenty years later. It's just so like you know what I mean, Like your time before, your time being an out gay comedian in the nineties couldn't have been easy, Like people don't think about casting you for

anything because you know, out gay comedian. Right. What he talked about was um watching like sort of Hollywood start to put gay characters on screen and like not even getting those like opportunities because like you know, Greg Kennear would be cast like Sean Hayes at the time would be cast in Will and Grace without being out, and those kinds of situations where it's just like like the the blessing and the curse of like being authentically yourself

and that being like where your gift is, but then also not being able to benefit from that and being invisible in plains exactly because only because society hasn't caught up to that to where you're at it's tragic. There are strides being made. I mean it isn't linear, but like there's definitely totally and like it would be so triumphant if like you saw like this sounds so whatever, but like after that episode and like you know this

can get back to him or whatever. But like after that episode like truly like and this sounds so vain or whatever, but I was like, oh, a fun career goal of mine now is to like make something that for Scott Thompson. You know, it's like you want to see him like be like you want to see that, like yeah, triumph for him. I mean it's also like that's a butter up our guest or like like them at your feet. But it's like the thing is like two is like in an industry that won't allow like

like a gay mail star. Like that's why we have these like for example, Difficult People is like such an incredible with you and and Billy, And it's just like I don't know, like are they would they have green even like five years ago, even for three years ago even now? What are we ever going to see just like straight up a comedy with a gay mail lead?

Like I don't know, like and that's there's like so much like I think that's that's why it's important to have ally ship, because like we truly all do make each other better and like you know, who knows, And like I would say, I would say that like the fact that Billy is getting this like Jettapitau rom com like in the works, it's like it couldn't have happened with like without like all these different things that like yeah, buttressed him up, like you know, and like it's so deserved.

But like you're you're you're such a part of that. It's so so amazing. Um, I'm very proud of, you know, what I created, and I'm very proud of writing the stuff that I did. And you know, it was very important for me for a gay man to be visible and not defined bisexuality and but to be also to be sexual and um, yeah, it's true ally ship. To see that friendship in like an authentic way was a

big goal. Yeah that Taylor, take note also, And I've thanked you to your face about just the fucking just like Kevin's spacey ship constantly you guys ship before it was like popular or like the story broke out or anything like you guys would like know. I made sure there was a Kevin Spacey joke in every script, and sometimes I didn't get cut, but there was always one. Yeah. Honestly, you know what's fucked up is how long we were making those jokes before everyone was like, what anybody cared

because they didn't know. Everybody everybody knew, but nobody cared. Yeah, that's the thing. And that's the classic thing too, was like, well we didn't know it. Come on, come on, like I've I've done what three? I don't think so Honey's on Robin right like yes, um but anyway, so speaking of I don't think so Honey, time to do. I believe it's which is our one minute segment when we take something in culture that we just like, maybe even hate. Yeah,

define language for yourself. Um, but and we go around one minute rant about that thing. Um, so I do I do have something? Okay, this is Matt Rodger. Okay, this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many time starts now. I don't think so Honey, SMR talked about in detail on the pod before, and I don't know. I'm very sensitive. The smallest thing can sender shivered up

my spine. Again. It's like one of those things. I guess that is the point, but it's like I would like to go sit with someone in real life whisper. I don't just want a SMR because I also think it's becoming part of the culture now and the way we can't turn back from. We have Cardi B doing SMR on YouTube. She is a very good at it, and honestly, I don't think, so, honey, that I needed to know that was one of Cardi b skills because now it's like I know she's a rapper, I know

she's really good at SMR. I know she's going to be an actress and hustlestlers speaking of trailers that I like. Um, I don't think, so honey, a SMR has to do with my sensitivity. Really, honestly, you do you want taking it? I just personally won't be doing it. Um. Also, I don't think I would be good at it. So that's I guess one of the reasons. Five seconds, I find that I'm very loud and can't speak in a whisper. So I don't think so a SMR. But do you

and what's for you? And that's a minute a couple of things. Am I going to get dragged for this? No? No, no, no it's not. It's I heard it's like Cilantro, Like there's a part of your brand that either response it or does it the way that like there's people have a gene that like Cilantro tastes like soap to them, um and then different triggers, lets of different responses, um Meridian responses. But I do want to say fuck you for implying that people who listen to a smar lonely

because okay, that's here, that's so funny. He who claims me, my friend is going to engineer it orse engineer look like said I'm not gonna do am I'm gonna go meets like you said something to that bit. I can't quote quote quote it back to your account. But also the Cardi is like a savant, like she she knows, she's like I read I read up on articles about her doing that video, and like all these experts are like,

she clearly has done this. She's done this. She she says in the video she watches Asmer every night to go to go to sleep, and she like knows, she knows that it's about hand movements and she knows see the intent and like the fire in her eyes when she's doing it's a performance. That cannon like taps the can and I'm like you are, it's performing. It's a performance.

I don't know, I fully realized performance. And actually a SMR is like a new name tag for it, because back in the day, like even like eight years ago, was called the whisper community, and like that was like a shame thing. That what a great name, what a fabulous like screenplay for anyone or something. Yeah, whisper community. Okay, I've got one. Well, it looks like it's gonna be a owhen Yanks turned to do I don't think so, Honey, here today on this episode of Last Cultures and his

time will begin now. I don't think so many Matrioka dolls, Russian dolls that nest and nest. What's what's the end game there that I get to a small doll. What I'm gonna do with a small doll? Oh? Not lose it. It's a stressful, stressful thing to have. It's not fun. The only fun thing is to organize the dolls and nest them in one another. I don't think so honey, that's not play, that's stress over you know, spatial um uh, compacting,

you know what I'm saying. I think one of the We're We're We're America is having a weird moment with Russia right now. But the worst Russian cultural export in history has been the Russian nesting doll. Because now now you see these crazy silhouettes on you know, fucking these phillies right behind my my my co host Matt Rogers, Um, what's this? And I don't think so, honey, that I only thought of it because it was I looked at something in the room a second. I don't think something that. Yes,

but I actually do hate Russian nesting dolls. And that's one minute. I always love when you use your last five seconds to be like, is this bad? And did I only think of a two seconds ago? Yes? I love that for you. I love that narrative. I love this as like because its supposed to be pop culture that you're gonna talk about the show because it got nominated form that was so funny that like Russian so funny. Way yeah, we headlined um okay, um, this is Julie Klauseners.

I don't think okay, so no, no, no, no no, what was your question? What was your question? Sorry? Sorry? Sorry sorry set off Asian. No, that's that's fine. Don't worry about it. Make it. Make it about whatever it's going to be. It's a pop culture thing, right, it's supposed to be. Okay, Wait, just so people know in case they want to skip forward, this will contain spoilers, and we love that. We love a spoiler, So spoiler alert a minute ahead. If you care about the Handmaid's Tail, Okay,

I love this. I wonder I wonder if our listeners care about the hemlets, and I think some of them do. Okay, this is Julie Clausens. I don't think so. One of your time starts now. Okay. So I watch every episode of the like midnight when it comes out, and I hate it so much, and I love the first season even though this is like a horrible It's it's like chickens watching like chicken torture video, you know, it's like,

I'm a woman, what am I doing? And they just keep being meaner and meter to women, and they're like, let's hang them by the river ano they're doing like body torture, like where they're just like what we put rings in her lips when you're like, what the what do they do with the teeth? And how going to and anyway, I just want to say that I gave up on that show as soon as Serena gave that fucking baby away, because that is something she would never do,

and she did that, and I said, no way. Because now this season she's like, I got to get the baby back, and the writers are clearly like I don't know anyone writes on it, you know, but like they are clear like she's got to get that baby back. Yeah, because yeah, seconds, I don't think so, honey. Elizabeth Moms is very good, a lot of facial acting, and the music choices are very on the nose. It's really true.

And also I kind of tuned out at the same time, it sounds like you did, because because it's like to see the show now and I'm like, Okay, Serena is now, and what's going on? Because no effing cut off you cut off her finger. You have to cut that bitches head off in order for her to not want that baby. That is the only thing she wants. And now it's like, yes, she still does, Like no, I give up with you.

And now it's just torture. And there was this one scene in front of the like would be Lincoln Monument, yes, and they're just shouting at each other, I hate you, I hate you, and it's like, okay, this is like episode too many into American horror story. Or you just have Angela Bassett and Cavvy Baits being like I hate you, I hate you more and you're like one of you

kill the other because I'm bored. And I said that heightening and that I'm know I'm taking my I don't think, but it just it drives me cucko bananas and I'm waiting for them to use like the song like I don't know, like sisters are doing it for themselves. Yeah. The music is just unbelievable and you have a budget any Yeah. And the thing is that show is like very proud of itself in a way where I'm like, but the thing is, you do have to keep serving

this quality. And the thing about it is too it's just like it is incredibly hard to watch, has always been hard to watch, but we watch it because like at the end of the day, like we do want to see some guitarsists and it seems like it gets worse and worse and worse and worse seems they give them the more you're to drag out the torture. You see that interview where the guy was like, I see it potentially having ten season, I was like, what out here? No, um,

that is unacceptable. I will ever say. I love I've been waiting for aunt Lydia flashback episode for this entire time. We got that dressing her on a date, doing karaoke and then making out with a guy on her reaching right for the peen was wonderful and yeah, this is and in the flashback to I said, I'm just gonna stop watching after this because it's not gonna get that.

But the thing is, like, that's what the thing is like when when you are someone who loves like to see like we've been talking about like these largely female cast, amazing actresses, like and the thing is like you can kind of swept away and like how well it's being sure that show is spinning its fucking wheels. I just I just love that you hate watching Julie and despite being horror curious and refusing to watch other horror, because I consider it so I would call it horror yeah,

it definitely is. Yeah, yeah, and I do like the like, you know, like the reveal that girl with the fucking ship in her mouth, that was a horror sting and yeah, it's there. It is. It's it's thing, and it's just it's no, it's too much. It's not cute. No, it's not cute, and my shows need to be cute. Yeah, it's I like about Dead to me. It remains cute. I'm watching Dead to me right now. Have you seen it? Oh? Yeah, so fucking good? Um is it because I watched I

watched the season in a day. I like it. Yeah, but I don't know if it's good. It's like, oh, I finished this entire bag, Like you can watch it again and be like, oh maybe, honest day, I wouldn't finished. I won't because it was a day well spent. But I'm not saying like, I'm not going on the record to be like, yeah, but you know what, it very well could be. I'm not saying that it isn't any

right now. What my thing is with it is it's just like I've been spacing it out three episodes, three episodes, three episodes, so I can say someone who went a little bit differently. I am enjoying it and I'm also like unable to not love anything that Christina applegator Linda Linda Cardolini, dude, they are well, no, it was my heat. It was like my Sunday. Yeah. Yeah, that is dreamcasting for you. That macause christ are those are two of

my girls, like Christie Christina since married with children. She was so hot on that she was poor just and also like y, yeah, that's that's actually rule of culture. Number nine. Kelly Bundy is Kelly Bundy was like the Margaret of her time, Like yeah, anyway, yeah, yeah, I mean that's and that's someone who's like, you know, Christina Appligate is such a star that it's like she was you knew from watching her in that moment you were

like that she's here, She's so good. I love sluts, Yeah, same, I love a good stupid sluts because her flipping through the phone book and saying, what's the number for nine one one is so fucking yeah. More more sluts And that's and that's why I need to be cast more more slots. And I think the title of that more Slats with Julie Casmore. This has been this has been fabulous. I'm so happy to be here and thank you guys so much for having me on and thank you for

being here as well. A time, great time talking. So listen, bo, we do end every episode with a song. I agree. Can I just propose another title? Yes, Julie Bowen and Mr Rogers, Yes, Julie bo and Mr Rodgers. White people search and they'll be yes. I love that. So Julie Bowen, Commas and Mr Rodgers. Yeah, there we go, There you go, wow or just perfect. In real life it's Julie Bowen and Mr Carlson. Unfortunately, Oh no, there's a little drag on her. Julie Bowen and Mr Carlson. Yes, yes, yes,

they allegedly. He tells me that Julie Bowen and Tucker Carlson were at least a thing for a little we're hooking up um, and then Julie was. Julie left her husband. They had promised to leave each other's h each other's spouses for each other. Tucker Carlson chickened out Julie. Julia Julie Bowen did not wow. So now Julie has has left the fool and I'm going to give a legal note and say this all happened allegedly, allegedly, allegedly. I'm going to be the sunny hosting of this episode and

say this allegedly happened. Is the lawyer on the view who always gives the legal and you're the lawyer on the last culture, So I'm of course the lawyer of this show. Um, who knows? I mean Julie. But if Julie Bone wants to start being with me, I would love that. I would actually love that best thing for my career any great, And then I'll start a beef with I don't kneel, I don't nil. There you go. I could never do that. Not with Mary and Sophia. You should start start start a few Sophia that that

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