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is about to crash. That's how HOTTI is. Uh. And then I said I'm rolling, And then Matt fully seamlessly went into the you've never rolled. Oh my god, it's like meeting the night Sky. Wait where we went up be getting the exact quote, right, Let's say it's this so you can see the nights Guy. I don't know exactly what she says, but something about the nights guy. But reader, and I'm sure you can feel it in your audio experience. But I was like, Matt, you are

such a Mela. It's crazy how you're a Mela. And I'm not in the Natalie Mela binary, which is already your front runner of the title of EPP. I'm very much the Mela and you are Natalie and I I My on screen boyfriend is Ashton cut your years is Justin timber Like that also, that also makes sense to me. It makes a hundred percent sense because listen, gun into your head, and this is sort of us finally answering the question of no strings attached versus friends with benefits.

Right gun to your head. You can fuck Ashton and be his friend with benefit, or you can have a no strings attached situation with Justin nimber Like. Even though those film titles are switched, what do you choose no strings attached featuring Natalie apartment and Ashton cuture because there's creditor away a guy Brandon meet Min de Kaling as kind of stars, so you're sort of picking the movie. I'm talking about carnal desire. I'm saying, do you suck

Ashton or do you suck Justin Timberlake Ashton? And I know your answer is actually Ashton once and for all, because we've talked about on this podcast how Justin the stock really plummeted after a certain age. Listen, sometimes with sex, this is actually was a rotal culture. I'll get to it. But sometimes with sex it doesn't even matter, like, I think that in my head I would rather have sex with Justin Timberlake. I think it will be better than

sex with Ashton Kutcher. I mean, the only person who might who is the closest to knowing that would be Mela Cunas. I think for simulating sex on screen with Justin and for actually having sex, well, I don't know. I wonder. I feel like she picked, she made she made her choice, and she made her choice. Oh, you're you're saying there's there's definitely people out there. We've had sex with both of them. Absolutely Well, No, No, I'm wondering about Mila and Justin. I'm just saying things happen

on the set. In fact, I was thinking about this. I was like, if you're doing a sex scene with someone and it's like pretty much the whole movie, you probably just fuck him, right, I mean, if it's consensual and everyone's good with it. I don't know, how can

I tell you something? You can tell me anything. I am being put in the position of having a romantic interest in in a fictional setting and in a in a sitting, you know, in a controlled environment such as a movie set, and I think and it's really it's I think it's my first real experience with it, and I think and the lines do get very blurry, even though the boundaries are very very very clear to me. I'm like, oh, but it's so strange to like shift

gears between realities and that is very very disorientating. And I understand why you got Miila and Ashton together. Why benefits as an enduring thing? Why you know, why is Endemoelina Brangelina? Why is in day dates all of her you know, romantic interests. And I'm like, I really, I don't. I don't relate to them really, but I think it makes more sense to me the more time goes on. Look as someone who's being put in a similar situation, I also can confirm the lines do blur and it's fun, okay.

And also, chemistry is hard to come by. Chemistry is not just something that just that just walks along. And also tone, I know it and so listen, all I'm saying is and it's sort of it's sort of comes back around to a discussion we once had about you know, we're also dealing with actors who famously, you know, they they have like their little moments of narcissism, and when shines their light on you, it's easy to you know, be susceptible to that, and there's something romantic about it.

I thought about that idea a lot ever since one miss Busy Phillips introduced that concept into the discussion between us. I was like, I've never thought, I told my I told the guy who cuts my hair that says, like, you know, someone recently told me Busy Phillips, Uh, you know what narcissism means in this context. He was like, that makes so much sense totally, because really what it is is nar desists want external validation of what they are pretty sure it's true internally, which is that they're

the best, and so they'll go to extreme length. I've thought about this a lot too since Busy said that, aren't and and like and like and t v H. I've had to self examine and be like, have I done that? And I feel like, to some degree in some instances, I've done that. Every now and then absolutely I'm agreeing that you have probably no no, no, but yeah, because I think it's also like, you know, when when you want someone to like you like you do the most, you go for it as in the words and the

words of control. We go for it, go for it. And I would say, I told you my New Housewives tagline, Yes, it's so funny. Tell me to telerators from the coast to the coast. I'll be doing the most. I didn't know you have not told me that one. Oh, what's the one I told you? I mean, I've I've found it so funny I broadcasted to the world on my story is which is over text you Housewives tagline I'm looking for a husband plural. I'm looking for a husband plural.

And that's of course I also have one. I have another one, which is um, I'm a triple threat. I'm gonna kill you. I'm gonna kill you. I'm gonna kill you. I'm really good. I really famously have never had one, will never find one. I'm too scared to find one. Well, let's talk about what yours. No, No, I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this. I feel like I had one time last summer, um when I was hanging out with you and Joel. I remember coming up with one that I was really happy with

and then it just fully escaped me. And that I have a good one for you. I don't want you to give you can't give it to me? Yes, I can you think that You think that housewives don't get pitched taglines. You think they all are in a writer's room doing that a creative person. I want to come up with it on my own. But but I'll hear a pitch. What what is that? Here's my pitch for you. Okay, live from New York, it's me everywhere, everywhere, all the time, or or live from New York, it's me all over

the world. It's really good, really good because it has to be. And this is this is what I love. Well. The rubric is interception between smart and stupid. And that is and that is what you that that is your that is where you shine. There's really no one better who doesn't I really, I really, I really truly believe that. Can we just get just can we just um talk

about what's happening? You know, me and Matt are oh yeah, yeah, ill, well it's not and and just in the boring way of delayed gate like late wave gay cold, like like long gay cold. You say long COVID persistent cold, persistent persistent cough. And the tests keep coming back. The COVID tests keep coming back negative neg neg net. I mean,

they just keep rolling in negative. But I don't know about you, but for me, it's been like two months almost oh no. And I thought I was in the clear last week and then weirdly enough, I get this bizarre cold again and it's a productive card. Sorry, so that means not COVID. And also I keep getting COVID tests. I did go to the doctor today, and I also want to say shout out to the Dock because he's

a listener. And I went to the doctor today and he did say, oh, yeah, we've been seeing a lot and his eyes widened of those in terms of positive COVID cases of the vaccinated. So I guess my whole thing is just like I don't know. I know everyone was annoyed about the masks indoors, but like I'm like hosting shows again, I'm doing things. But then it's also like you can't be testing positive and then work like I'm about to do a job, and so now I'm

just kind of like, am I quarantining again? You've got big things on the schedule, bo, We've got big things on the schedule now, And I gotta I gotta be careful. I gotta be careful. Well, should we tell the readers what we're doing. Sure, we're going to see Gaga and Tony. We're seeing Gaga and Tony. We're gonna wear masks the whole time now at very a city. That's that that that is what we can you and I can agree upon.

Oh absolutely. I wasn't sure how you were feeling about that, because I was like, because, can I be totally honest with you? My default mode going in was I'm not going to wear a mask. Yeah, but as students. But you and I checked in earlier today and you were like, I know we're going and I'm gonna wear a mask the whole time. It was like, of course, and I will do the same. Well. I think that everyone should

make their own decision. I think if you're comfortable being there and like like in New York, is not mandating mess indoors, Like, let's just say this without saying too much. I think you have less to lose than I do. Like I think, true, no, if I test positive, I'm going to lose a job that you will not lose. So I think like for me, it's just like I'm gonna go extra careful and don't feel the need to wear the mask because of me. The only reason I'm even going is because feel No, it's not I'm not

wearing the mask. I hate that it took you to get me to wear the mask, but I feel like, um, it is the right thing to do in that situation. I think that if I'm if I'm just basing it based on what I'm seeing and how I'm feeling, Like, it's not a big deal for me to wear wear a mask inside at an event like this. We've all we've all done it. We've all worn a mask for

hours and hours and hours. Yes, So the outrage about wearing masks again, I don't really get because it's like, you can see that pick cases are going up, Why don't we just like take take the extra step, like we've done it for this long, we can do it for a little bit longer. Because I don't know, I'm like, I'm still optimistic about the whole thing, Like, I know it's awful that cases are going up, but I genuinely feel like this will get more people vaccinated because they'll

see the severity of the situation. I'm an optimist like that perhaps um too much so, but I just could not imagine not going to this because it's gonna be history. It's gonna be history. I mean, it's likely Tony Bennett's last one, last time. It's it's it's it's a little

self awarely sad. It's sad. It's sad, and you know, and Tony Bennett what an icon, I mean, like one of the few like can you can you can we actually say, I know we're biased because we love Gaga, but in hindsight, cheek to cheek is like what a what a fucking amazing thing that Gaga did and they both did, but like a create a lot of perceived wild career move from Gaga back then that everyone was like,

what what the funk is she doing? But it's like, I think it is very well and it like it really puts Gaga and like this crazy and this different you know Echalon as a performer. This is pre Star is Born, mind you and now like in the post Stars Born sort of you know, stretch of Gaga's career, it's like it all made sense, all of it, all of it's still made all, all of it holds up on an artistic level. And I just I just think it's really special. And you know that I was blasting

cheek to cheek when it came out. I was singing Gaga's version of Bang Bang my Baby Shot Me Down, and behold, it's really when when Bow and Yang sings bang Bang my Baby Shot Me Down version, the Gaga version with Henry Koperski accompanying, I mean, it's truly. I feel bad for everyone that hasn't seen it, but I will, I will, I will say this. And you were really

doing this, doing the rounds with it too. There for a while, I was like, when I got to the piano, we were all like already waiting for it to happen. I never could figure out, like and I when when Henry was doing that, I could. I never could figure out like an iconic song because you had a lot, because you had a lot of great you you succeeded in a lot of ways. Do you know what song I loved doing was Foolish Games by Jewel because I like to bring the drama. You need something dramatic, m

hm um. But anyway, just circling back to um, cheek the cheek, I think like it was it was even more. I think in doing that, she shocked everyone and surprised everyone more than anything she could have done on art pop. Like in terms of the content of art pop, it was like we were prepared for a song called like swine, you know what I mean, we were prepared for all

of it. Like you could even say, like it wasn't like I when I heard she like like got vomited on or whatever during the promo, was like, that didn't surprise me as much as her doing an entire like standards album with Tony Bennett. I was like, Wow, what

an interesting move, what an interesting musical flex. And then I think that really set the tone for her being this like you know, new queen of reinvention in the way that she is, and it just showed that there were so many like hands that she hadn't like shown yet, you know what I mean. I still think she's got tricks, I really do. I one thousand percent agree. I feel like she's never She's never going to be someone that people aren't going to be interested in with what she's doing.

You know, Yes, I used to say that about her when I wasn't like a Gaga stand which I really am now, like and especially I don't know I've said this before on this podcast, but I do believe it's true. Like I think for people that are still having problems with their identity, Gaga is tough. Like I think people that like um, people that don't love themselves don't love Gaga. And then when you're really ready to love yourself, you're ready to come out and say how much you love

Gaga because you do. I don't disagree. I don't disagree. I think that's a huge statement, but I don't disagree. I think if you don't love Gaga, don't love yourself. And as a rule of culture, a number one if you don't love you, don't don't love yourself, because love and hate our binary. If you don't love yourself, then

you hate yourself. Yeah, if you hate Gaga, you hate yourself. Honestly, I remember when she came out with like um, like I was remember like when Applause and Roar came out like truly with him Act, and I was on the other side, I was like, it's Gaga. Meanwhile, now it's like, in retrospect, we can appreciate that, like Roar is a good pop song, but but Applause is like a statement. Applause is art, applause is art pop. That whole albums

that whole album. No, Okay, So everyone now, of course it is like, oh my god, justice for art pop, which I love. I embrace this movement, but everyone needs to really read up on the promo period cycle of that album, which was chaotic. But also that was the point.

It was her at the fucking it was that swine Fest, which is the iTunes music festival, where she you know, kind of wet nuts, and then sat by Southwestern was where she she was vomited it on, and then she did the keynote and in a trash bag in great dreads and talked about how the music industry is broken and how record labels were evil, and then and then and you rewind, you rewind, and you go back to her doing all the Marina Abrama Vick stuff, like like

the video of her like doing the Upstate Retreat where she's like her tits are out and she's wearing like like a blindfold with cones coming on the eyes, and then it's just her and then it cuts to her lying down on the floor inside some building and she goes, you know, she went, she spent like a whole week like off the grid with Marina, like doing this whole artistic retreat, and like she's committed to this idea of art pop and it's so powerful and it's it's really

it's it's it's something that when she's like, you know what I appreciated when she came out as a helicopter. Yes, I was like, she came out and she said, I'm the first human helicopter and she barely lifted off the ground. And honestly, at the time, I was like, this person has completely off their rock or flop. But looking back, I'm like, no, every moment of this was art pop. It was perfect. It was the artist as pop art.

It was it was it was speaking to each other in a way that yes, you could barely understand it, but that is the point that it was or scotch and then she could be anything wor shack could be

pronounced anyway. Yeah, you know what, You're right, I am art pop, you are art poppy, you are the coons as you And then her speaking of which working with Jeff like that was such a crazy move and like Jeff Counts is very controversial, but like she like was fully committed to that idea of like, no, I'm gonna have a Jeff Coon sculpture made made for me with the blue orb and like it's just all of it was so I don't know. I just I you you

everyone knows how I feel about Gaga. I just had my Born this Way Tent anniversary shirt coming the mail that I ordered like two months ago. I just I will always love her and I'm so excited to see her with my sister. It's gonna be hope, don't get cod And that's but I think if I get it from like Gaga somehow, that's actually fine. But the thing is, like the cheek to cheek out of art pop makes perfect sense to me because then she was fully committed

to that and then she stars Born makes total sense too. Well, there was Joanne first, right, oh no, I'm but I'm sorry it was chicken to Joanne. It it actually makes even more sense because you get the sense that it's like all barreling towards something, you know what I mean. And like there was that like country nous of a Star is Born, which felt informed by Joanne, Like and I don't know, people hate on Joanne, but I love Joanne, Oh,

I listened to prayer, How dare you? I just feel like, if you, if you're a Gaga fan, if you're a little monster, and you're like, but we all don't, but but we all know Joanne, dot dot dot shut out, keep you shut up, shut keep your mouth shut, and go watch the John Wayne video, which is the spiritstual success or to Telephone in Paparazzi. It is the third installment of the Jonahs Soccerlan directed Gaga music videos. I believe I love when she's riding, when she's riding on

that horse and she hits that tree branch. To me, that's comedy. Oh, it's pure comedy. She's a zombie in that music here. She's not a zombie in any other music video. It's it's really incredible. That is that is christ like and that is still a Catholic imagery. This girl is amazing. I love that girl. Amazing, this girl, this girl's amazing. And the words of Gwen Stefani to Celine Dione, I love this girl. I love this girl. I love this girl right here. This girl is crazy.

Love this girl. I love this girl. By the way, congrats on the wedding. Blake and Gwen Blake and Gwen, congrats, congrats on the big wedding. What did you see that? By the way, speaking of Blake, did you see the promos with Ariana? Promo of Ariana shooting the voice promo, she wrote a very emotional post about how yeah, she's like so excited to do it, and she's like, I'm already thinking about the people I have to say goodbye to when we haven't even started doing anything, and I'm like,

this girl is into it. I'm excited. You know that she is that girl because here's the thing about Arianna Florida. She's Florida. She's a Disney gay bitch. Ariana Grannie is a Disney gay. It's real culture number seventy one, a Disney gay. I have tea about Ariana that she goes to Disneyland a lot. I've heard. I've heard this tea that she will sometimes just when she one time, she like it was like eleven PM and she was like, I want to go to Space Mountain. I want to

go on not to Disneyland. I want to go on Space Mountain. And then like like she got driven with like you know her you know, seven rings friends or whatever. To go to Space Mountain. They wrote it once and

then they left, and I'm like, that's amazing. I believe that some version is of that is true on a deep, deep level, like I I don't know, like when I see her in Frankie Grande and when I know like the Florida nous of it all, and when I know that she was a Broadway girl, and when I really like think about who she is, I'm like, this girl is a Disney gay, and so some it's something about Disney gays and there's the science to this. But when the voice came out and you got to hit a

button and the chair would turn. When you hear a good singer, she of course wants to hit a button and have a chair turn. She was like, oh my god, this reminds me of the Haunted Mansion. Like literally literally she she watched that show. And I bet Ariana was like an American Idol fan when she was little, So you know she's probably gagged about Kelly. I mean you're talking about like her best friend was Demielvado or like

they were they were really close. Demielvado stands Kelly. So all these young singers like Stan Kelly from when she was on American Idol because she was the one like for for like suburban girls who were watching American Idol, like Kelly is a thing, Kelly is a thing, and you and the little shots of the promo you could see like Ari really gravitating towards Kelly on the side

of Demi. Can we just really appreciate I need to go back and watch this foot the footage of when Demi was X on X Factor with Brittany, like they like, we really have to give credit to Demi putting themselves in that position when like most of America would have been like, who the fund is that girl? Like back to that, you know, so it's like that so like I don't know, Like Demi has always as another person

who has always made really interesting career choices. They don't always work in the way that we are used to like the pop people, the pop the pop gals. Let's just say like for for um, for semantic sake, group for groupings sake, um uh. This is not to race their gender, but anyway, I just I feel like Demi is someone who has has always been interesting and we've talked about Demi a lot um, but the Demi in

the X Factor days. I'm like, why need to go back and watch them in that because they were doing something really um, I don't know, cool and different. I don't know, like, well what what it was was. They were on with Britney Spears. So I believe that what happened was and this is sort of the the way that they Brittany, it was something that Jamie made her do. Yeah, I think it was just, you know, they thought they were going to get something they weren't going to get,

which is Brittany on a show like that. She she doesn't have a big personality, you know what I mean, She's not going to hit you with like a big

um like uh sound bite. But Demi did actually, and if you watch the old interviews, they were the ones that did a lot of the press with Simon because they had a relationship with Simon that was very they would they would and so if you actually go back and watch a lot of the press around X Factor at the time, it's almost like they realized with Brittany they weren't going to get like this relationship like this Paula Abdul type relationship with Simon and Demi was there.

I think knowing the assignment, and I think that Demi is Demi is very smart and funny, and not that Brittany isn't. But Brittany at that stage, I think was just a different vibe. And I think, like if you watch like Judges Houses, which I have, like she's very concerned about like, um, you know, she gets to sign the young kids, she gets to sign the under six

names or whatever. No, Brittany, Brittany, And I think, like, you know, it's it's interesting because and you know, obviously that was a very staged and produced show, maybe the most out of all of them. But Brittany wasn't giving big personality the way that Demi was. And I think that it's interesting because that's obviously not what they thought was gonna happen, you know what I mean. It was like l A, Reid and Demi on the one side of the table and then it was Brittany and Simon.

I think that they hoped that Britney Spears would bring this big outside like Christina Aguilera on the voice personality, but that's just not who she is. No, totally totally you know, who were too when when it when it swung so far the other way when it so that it failed was with Maria Niki and I actually went back and watched there's okay, So so man, I have this friend from college named Colin Cordo Posty and then

this is so indelibly burned into me. But that season of Idol, when it was like all you heard was Maria Nicki fighting, fighting, fighting during the auditions when they were in New York, there's a moment where um Maria, like you know, like HMU is coming into like just do last looks on marian Nicki and then Maria just kind of and it's like it's like sort of like

a they didn't know the cameras were rolling. It's like a little bit bit of a BTF PTS moment in Maria goes, I really wanted these three pounds, and then Nicki goes, I know how you can. And then Maria goes like Mariah rolls arise and goes, it's a quote from mean Girls. If you knew me and girls, then even know. And then and then nick even it goes and this is something Colin quarter Posse and I quote all the time. She goes, I do not means girls means girl. She goes, I do not means girls. It's

just I don't know, it's just dumb inside joke. But I remember that the other like last week, and I found that clip on YouTube, snipped it, cut it, trimmed it, sent it to Colin just out of with no context, and he knew exactly what I meant. And but Nicki

and Mariah was just ugly. It was ugly the whole It wasn't that fun the whole time, except the situation that you just described is why it was bad casting, because you cannot have those two on the panel at the same time because there is such as having too many stars. And Nicki Minaj, wherever she goes is going to be the star, and Mariah, wherever she goes is going to be the star. So when Mariah is sitting there and she says a line from Mean Girls, that

is Mariah's moment. I don't understand though. But but when Nicki Minaj is there, you have to also allow for any moment to be her moment. So it was just not good. And I would say I do know who won that season because her name was Candas Clever. She was like an amazing singer. But if I'm a contestant

on that season. I'm pissed because the whole thing became about them and they're they're like feud or whatever, which is again disappointing as someone who loves as a barbed and a lamb, which is already a tough position to be as like, I don't want to see that play out, especially when you watched up out my Face video when they're having so much fun together genuinely they look like you're having a blast together, and you're like, I think it feels like a very wicked situation, you know, like

that like like well, you know, separately, like they asked Maria one time, they were like, can you say a nice thing about Nicki Minaj? And Mariah turned to the camera and goes, you know, when she first came out, I clocked her right away, and I knew she was going to be a huge star, which is why she was on about my Face because I saw her hip hop. Maria has always nurtured the hip hop. I was like,

I know, that's a huge star. I think she's so talented, and then Nikki, in a separate interview, said I don't want to be fighting with her. She's Mariah carry my mother and I used to sing our songs all the time.

I don't want to be fighting with her. So I think these are two people who again, it's the narcissism, it's the ego, it's the whatever that just comes with and we love both, but it just comes with the territory where you cannot have the two of them in the same place too often, sharing space because they're not

used to it. Because another thing is just like you know, when you come from a culture of women being pitted against each other all the time, it's hard when they're fanning the flames so much to like subvert that because that's probably all they knew, you know what I mean. I would imagine that neither of them had worked with a lot of other women and that and that's what you get when you combine Long Island with Bronx. It's like, oh dear, that, oh dear is all we have to say.

But look, the only the only way you get two stars to co exist successfully in something is if you have a Natalie and Amila. Yes, and and listen to me here and now Kelly is a Natalie and Ariana. Also, the fact is like Kelly is now like older to the point where it's just like she's not trying to be a pop star in the way that Ariana is. Like so and also it's also not cool anymore to have like these women feuding, you know what I mean, Like that's not like that's not like a narrative that

the media is chasing anymore. I think because like they know it's fucked up, even if they try to get it across like in terms of like like like like subliminal ways. I think that they know that they would get called out immediately for trying to portray a situation where two women on these shows were like going at each other just because like they're both the diva you

know what I mean. It's it's so tired. Yeah, I know, it's it's although, you know what I was thinking about the other day, I'm like, do you think do you think ari would ever do a song with like a Cardi or do you think Cardi would ever do a song with the Doja? You know what? You know, I guess they all do songs together, well, you know what

what with within with the Nikki of it all. That's what I'm saying that might feel like that's already been undertow with Megan, like hopping around doing Doja, Cardi, Nikki, just like working with all of them. Yeah, I think that it really depends who you're aligned with initially, Like I almost feel like but Megan was I was aligned with Nikki the most, like and like the earliest iteration, and I kind of do. I feel like we've all wondered, like I wonder how Nikki feels about wob out performing

howk Girl summer. In some ways, I also think we might be projecting a little bit onto the current narrative based on what it's been. We don't know what the relation when we haven't heard a lot of Nikki versus Cardi stuff. It feels like it feels like now that we've had like Megan's year and she has set the tone of like working with everyone, and you know, we we've sort of like I think it's honestly so ugly, like like when you see like this, Like I hated

the Taylor and Katie thing. I thought that was so stupid and I thought it made them both. Yeah, I hated it all. I hate I always hate it. I

always hate it. It's it's never it's just so I don't know it's so base or whatever, especially when like, and I think that's one of the one one of the only things I didn't like love about Lover or two is it felt like you need to come down, Like that felt like a vehicle for that moment where they like finally hugged again, And I'm like, yeah, but why was this the thing in the first place, Like,

it's stupid, it's dumb. Between Katie and Taylor, though we should say that Taylor was the one who kind of threw gas on the fire with bad blood. I mean, here's what I would say, based on status in the industry. There's no reason for Katie to come for Taylor, Like it doesn't make sense. And I do believe it hurt her, Like I think that I think that whole situation ended

up hurting Katie, and so I don't think. Well, can I tell you a rumor about what I heard started that whole thing that wasn't the dancers or no. I heard And I would never say where I heard this because I don't remember, but I heard that this is and this is the insane rumor I heard. I heard they were both at Club thirty three in Disneyland. Oh my god, I heard they were both there and at

the time, Katie was dating John Mayer. So I heard that Katie and John Mayer were one and then across the room Taylor was there with other people and they didn't know they both were going to be there, and so I heard that as a joke, Katie sent over to Taylor's table a glass of milk and told them tell tell her that this is on the woman in the corner, because she wanted to try to she wanted to break the tension because she was with John and

John Mayer and Taylor famously had like a tough situation. Yeah, but that's tough to that's not super legible. If I'm Taylor and I get sent to glass of milk, I'm like,

fuck you. Yeah. So apparently she was very fuck you about it and like the restaurant because she was like she was like, I don't like this, and she didn't get it because Katie, because Katie, can I say, despite Taylor being like the obvious bully in that dynamic, in the end, I feel like Katie had like a mean girl streak about her, like she just she gave off that energy. And I'm just saying, like, remember, like she used to be like really good at Twitter. I mean,

like some of the kids might not know this. Katie Perry was like one of the early Twitter celebrities, was like really good at it, like got it, like joked about like I remember a great sense of humor about herself. Anyway. Yeah, I always think that Katie and this this is an annoying but L O L. But I always think that Katie is funny. It's one of the things I like

about her. I like her wacky sense of humor. I like that her first ever Grammy performance was she came out as a banana and say I kissed her girl, Like, I think it's funny. I think her I think Left Shark is funny. I think her like like being sexual with a beach ball is funny. I think that humor. Her humor is one of the things I like about her. I think that her quote unquote sense of humor and

Taylor Swift's quote unquote sense of humor don't mix. It's very l a versus Nashville or l a versus you know, Pennsylvania, or however you want to delineate it. I I keep going back to where these people come from, Like with Maria and Niki or you know, with with Ari or whatever. It's like it informs a lot. And Katie sending Taylor a glass of milk it feels very l a to me, feels very like or Santa Barbara, whatever the wherever the katy carries from. And it's but to think that this

all started, potentially all started in Anaheim, California. This is what I heard. I heard that it was much more about the John Mayer of it all than it was that makes sense, and it was just like they just didn't communicate. Well then it was about backup dancers or whatever. And I think that and you have to remember Taylor saying the backup dancer of it all, like the Sabotage Arena tour. That's like that that did start the whole thing.

And also I'm not entirely sure that's how that works, Like I think the backup dancers have to be on some sort of contract or something. And when when thousand percent through on a contract and has anyone verified one that the actual like list the roster of dancers can be like cross referenced, and then for two that them

that this is a very common occurrence. Potentially if it is like, it's very common for dancers, Like I feel like you have dancers like go from like a Gaga tour to like Carly Rae Jepson's or like Mark Hannamore or that's that's a bad example, but it's like there's I feel this happens all the time. Anyway. I mean, I'm sure we could. We could listen if you were

a dancer on a tour. Wink fucking wink, you should reach out and maybe set some of this right, because right now we have all of our listeners believing that it's a Club thirty three moment, So I would rather it be a Club thirty three. But don't you think that all makes sense? I think that I can see it. I can see it playing out. Like Katie Be, I'm like, no, I got it, baby, I'm sending over a glass of milk.

This works every time. She probably thought that was hilarious because Katie's sense of humor is sense a glass of milk or like you know, a gorilla on a telephone calling the police, you know what I mean, whereas like Taylor's sense of humor is different. It's like, um my cat's name is Meredith Gray. You know what I mean. It's just like there's a different thing. Katie sense of humor is like non sequiturs, like very like unquote random

imagery Taylor. Taylor, I would argue, doesn't really Taylor's sense of humor, which I don't think his sense of humor is a sense of humor necessarily is like cat photos and ship. Like I will say, as you and I love Taylor, and everyone knows we love Taylor, Taylor is not a fun particularly funny person, and that's okay. I think that she has a sense of humor, but I don't think she particularly has a great sense of humor about herself. So I think that someone who's like I

just don't. I think they're oil and water in that regard, and they're therefore shouldn't be close because I think that, and I'm sure they both take themselves super seriously. It's just like literally, from what you can see from what's projected to us from them, it seems like Katie has a more of uh an ability to say L O L I look dumb than Taylor ever will. Because Taylor, the second she was able to became you know, like uh at her at her apex, Taylor was cool, hot

and with models at her apex. Katie Perry was beach balls at the super Bowl and they have a face and I'm kissing them and maybe I funked that tree, you know what I mean. Like, so that's it's just at her at her apex. It was last Friday night and it was like just you know, like it was Taylor ever a kid. Doug how to engineer? Doug is asking,

was Taylor every kid? Yeah? Well when well, Taylor, Taylor's whole stories that you know, she was kind of like the perfect you know, uh machine of like she was like she was cranking out songs and all she's ever her whole mindset has been driven by the music industry, and so maybe there was like an early loss of innocence in that way. I don't know. We were not going to like write the biography for these women. That's not for us to do. We're just talking about these

very frivolous, fun things and taking them very seriously. I think it's time mant for us to do what we set out to do today. Do you agree? So we did set out to do something today, and I do agree because I think that we sort of have got to the bottom of this conversation, and we I just would like to say at the just to button it up,

we love both. And if you don't think that Bowen and I ride hard for Taylor, you haven't listened to this podcast because we usually get told that we need to shut the funk up about her and her music and how much way And this is one of the first times that in a long time that we've been like critical of Taylor and it's it's something it's about something old doc has done anything new, I mean, speaking

of Taylor and Katie. It's so funny that because I did this recently, um, you and I have made a lovely time out of watching those chart data YouTube videos do people we were talking about. So if you don't know, now you know. It's so you can see like an artists like Billboard History, the Hot one hundred history, and it's so fun to watch like how they're I don't know, it's just they're really fun. It's very interesting to see

how much it's like a very it's a glimpse. It's like a four D glimpse of like as in like you literally see the time acts list of like when things were promoted like when it's so interesting, and then Taylor's is obviously great. Um, Katie's so solid. Katie is really fucking solid. And then it inspired me to go and watch um music videos from the teenage dream era and from from the prison era. But I was like Prism slaps and people people actually don't give Prism enough credit.

Prism is a good album and great album. And also like it was it was actually a prison justice for prison. Wait, it did incredibly well, just did really well. There's no need for justice for prison. Doug, do you feel comfortable coming in and saying you're anecdote about recording with Katie Perry? Yes, we loved it. We would love for you to tell the readers. Can you come in, Doug, Come in, Doug, tell tell them all. So you worked with Katy Perry,

all right, so tell them your experience with Katie. I thought Katie was amazing. She's a great singer and played guitar. Was very funny, Like you said, I think Katie had got fun or childhood it like, I don't know if Taylor, I don't know she was a star so early. I don't know if she was ever a kid. I think

that is part of why Katie's funny Katie. Katie did kind of go through this fucked up machinery of like Christian rock and Christian pop that I feel like she came out the other side of it being like, let me just have fun and not like worry about like this kind this this this morass of thing that I was just a part of. And you know what's what's funny is that people usually are like, oh, well, Katy Perry,

you know, like she's not one of the singers. You said something really interesting, which is that she had a very big sound. What did you say about her? Oh, her voice is huge. Well, if you listen to her. Have you listened to her her MTV m plugged set? Yeah? So good. What did you work what did you work with her? Do you remember like what the tracks were

with the album was? It was the first big one one of the Boys boy, it was her debut and thinking of you is I listened to that song one of my favorite songs and one of her favorite songs. She always she still plays that live to this day, and she'll always qualify by being like, and this is a song that I just like to do, so I'm gonna do it, And she still does it and it's I don't think it. I don't think that song got the credit. It's also one of my favorite music videos.

But I'll never forget that you said that that she had like an easy to record sound because she's got such a big sound. She sings from the right place, a musical glimpse inside with Doug, thank you do, go away, go go get out of get out looking good, though looking good, dougs looking good. We did set out to do something. Yes is we are excited to announce that we are going to announce the some of the categories

for the first maybe not anyone. We don't know what the cadence will be going, but it is the first. It is the first Lost Culturesta's Culture Awards. Now what is, you might ask, We barely know. All we know is that we've created several categories, and by several, I mean these categories will number in the hundreds us and we will be giving the awards at a later date. But we wanted to sort of go through some of the categories. Where we're starting the season official, this is the awards season.

The last Culture is just awards season is beginning, and so we're gonna announce some of the categories today and we encourage you to sort of engage with each other about who could be the winners of these categories. There are no nominees. There are no nominees, but we will announce the winner and the people who are up for the awards are campaigning as the campaign has started. Yes, so if you feel that if you are sort of competitive for these awards, please campaign, you know what I mean?

Or if you are if you fancy yourself a publicist for you know, a conceptual award, like we're gonna announce them. You know we're gonna announce like one of them is just come out with this as a random when I picked up from the last best Seltzer flavor. If you feel like you want to campaign for pamplo mouse, let's say b be the publicist for pamplo mouse. Let us know that you want pamplo mouse to win that category.

And there's certainly an argument for pamplo mouse. I mean, like the and you know, I already know some girls who could really go to the map for Pamplo mouse because I see them be drinking it. So um, we are at this time are going to bone and I are going to go back and forth saying some of the categories and understand that there are many categories to come. There will be two hundred and fifty categories. And this is the most ambitious event in Lost Culture history. And

as you know, we've done some ambitious events. Okay, we've done the top two hundred moments in culture, and this will be even bigger than that. It is the Lost Cultures Culture the first this and if this is it's Emmy Grammy, Oscar Tony Lost Culture Racist Cultural Awards. So it's now ego and I Matt, I'm gonna say something, and I want you to really if you want to like rain, rain me in, let me know. I think some categories the readers can suggest. I think if you

have a suggestion, you should for it. And I think the best, to be honest, the best way to reach us is through Twitter, is through the Lost Cultures to Twitter account tag Lost Culture rests um that is the most direct line into our ears. And I would say

take it out of the d ms on Insta. Let's just let instab be insta tag at Lost Culture Rests on Twitter because those are bonomized twitters now we both we've both done a great job of saying fun Twitter personally, but we love that My the one moment, the space that I love and hold sacred is to every now and then check the Lost Culture Twitter for for for for some engagement. You know, some people are still complaining about certain things. That's fine, but a lot of people

are really, you know, giving us great material suggestions. I mean, I wouldn't have found half of the Death to All of Them content had it not been for the reader's treat And there is so much of it, and we're so happy about it. And yes, I have seen and Boone has seen the remix. We love the remix of all of them. It's absolutely amazing. But yes, at Lost Cultures if you want to suggest categories, but for now we will sort of at this moment begin to list

the categories. Yes, alright, so Boonen, would you like to begin? I will begin. Our first category is biggest Jester. Biggest Jester, so this is um of all the gestures. This would be awarded to the biggest one, to the one who displays the most gesture behavior. The behavior you exhibited tonight was just jest, like if you can sort of understand who that might be directed to campaign for that person.

The second category is biggest flop. This is not the biggest flop of the year necessarily, this is the biggest flop. Someone who um exhibited flop like behavior. Your behavior, the behavior you exhibit to night was flop. If you can see in your mindseye who that will be directed to, go ahead and campaign for that person. The next category

is the biggest jest or flop. So if you can sort of combine what it means to be a jester and also what it means to be a flop, this is that type of person that we're looking for to sort of carry the mantle forward of the biggest jest or flop. The behavior you exhibited tonight was jest or flop like. So if you can see who that might be directed to in your mind's eye, then by all means campaign for that person. And then what's the next category.

The next category is biggest jest or flop in the clowns square and the clown Square the clowns the Clowns Square. Thank you. That's a correction actually because I typed in the town square. But Matt as the originator of that phrase gets to change the name. So if you can imagine sort of like the jest or flop that we've been talking about, but so public that you could even call what they're going through that they're in the clowns clowns,

square tomatoes, flying tomatoes, flying makeup, the clown makeup. Honey, just imagine this person worthy of being dragged so hard because what they've flopped gesturing it was so clown squarish, clown like that. We you have to, we have to get rid of this person. Then please campaign for that person. I have, I have someone in mind already for that one. Oh my god, but I'm so excited to find out why.

The next category Most Amazing Impact in Film. This is similar to best Picture, would you say, but not really no impact. I would say this goes to the person, persons, or organization or or entity that has had the most amazing impact in film. So this is film of course meaning movies, um and impact meaning um gaggery gay. What's the next category? The next category is best Asker. So we have best actor, best actress that's not here today. We have best ask This is the most incredible person

that ever asked questions. So this could be do you think it's It helps to kind of give examples not of people, but of kinds of people who are who are good askers. I would say people who are people who, um, you know, whose job it is to interview people, whether it's on a TV show or for a job or for lawyers, podcast lawyers, some the most the best asker of the year, let's just say, I mean, do you think I have a serious question? Are a lot of categories for the past year and culture, No, I would

say it goes for all time. Amazing, amazing, and so this is this is the best asker of all time, best asker of all time. Okay, the next category funniest gay man. So these a gay man as in a man that has sex with other men, the person who is the funniest version of that. There's a lot of a lot of This is a crowded field. Oh there are I can already think of at least three people who are gay men and funny funny. What's the next category?

The next category is funniest gay woman. This is a woman who has sex with other women, um or just kind of you know, thinks of herself as gay yea, and she is funny. Yeah, I can think of so many. This is maybe an even more crowded field. This is a very crowded field because I can think of at least twenty They've been allowed to be funny longer than

gay man. And I'm okay saying man and we'll just get We'll just go ahead and say for now, unless unless the readers really push for more categories like this. Law Schooldress is an institution like any other institution, you know, it is prone to you know, social mishaps for misreadings. These are the old We're we're working with the gender binary here at this time. We're working with the binary

and that's not just the Natalie Mila binary. We're working with funniest gay man and funniest gay woman at this time. Until that changes, we might expand the category. Who knows okay, um this what's the next category is best news? We heard not talk about this. So when you are living day today, you are confronted with so much news. Some of the news is bad news that could put you in a bad mood, but every now and then you get very good news, and sometimes you even get the

best news. So this category is best news. We are of all time, like like we woke up and we we this was the best news that we could ever hear, so much so that it deserves an award today. And the next category is The next category is best candy. There are so many examples of candy Bowen. I can think of at least three I can think of at least three examples of Kenny that will be competitive in the running for the award best Candy. What's the next category?

The next category is best Chocolate. Uh, you might as well hit up Hershey Park and get up on your chocolate because one of them is going to be winning the award. Um. I just got an email from at Ferrero Rochet publicist. Oh my god, is saying let's talk, saying let's talk. I have I have something that will make you really really happy. Oh my god, is the beginning? What is this the Hollywood Foreign Press Association, Because all of a sudden, I'm knee deep and candy and chocolate girl,

You're campaigning, You're campaigning. You are emilist Emily in parissing me today. What's the next This is best picture parentheses literal picture. There have been so many iconic pictures over the history of time. And this is the best picture. Because every year at the Oscars you hear you know, it's not just photos, it's it's drawings, paintings, It's not just photos. But and this is what makes this category so wild, giant category, lots of contenders, only one will win.

Only one picture will win Best Picture. For now, almost all of the categories of the last Poolturesta's Culture Awards will only have one winner, some of them maybe ties, only some, but we will specify at a later date which ones those will be. There is a next category. It is Album of the Year, Album of the year. This is the album. This is like this is this is a songwriting age? Yeah? Is that? Is? That? Is that?

What it is with the Grammys, Album of the Year goes to the album and then Song of the Year does go to the song and that's the songwriting award. No. But between album and Record of the Year, the album is I'm so sorry, collection of songs, collection of songs. This is the best collection of songs. This is not of all time. This is of the year. Well we didn't say what year. We didn't say what year. And the next we have the next category. Yes, it is

record of the year. So this is the production. This is the production. Yes, yes, we did not say what year. We did not say we have We have a next category, Best Seltzer Flavor. As I had mentioned earlier, I'm still excited. I'm still as excited as I was when I gave a little peek before. We gave sort of a big behind the curtain, and now it's like, let's really start thinking about And we said Pamblo Moose, which sort of I think is going to put them in front of

everyone else. But I don't ever deny some of these girls that love their love their coconut. Hello, I'm lime, Lime, Hello Mango. I have to say mango is always in the running because you always get mango when you order a box of lacrosse. You actually can't. You cannot avoid mango. And that's got to be something. And if this category we're best fruit, mango would be very much in the conversation.

And the fact that we're still talking about mango when the category is best Seltzer Flavor says so much about the power of mango. There is a next category that we have most shocking moment of the year. This was this goes out to that moment that, oh my god, this is the moment of the year. We don't know what year yet, this is the moment of the year when we all went, oh my god, my god, and we had to look at each other because we were

so shock shocked. It was so shocking the moment of the year that it deserves the award for most Shocking Moment of the Year. I'm excited. I'm excited to announce the next category. Yes, there's an next category, Best team between the ages of thirteen and nineteen. There are many people competing for this award and only one will win. We have the next category, best twenty something between so people between the ages of twenty to a lot of people,

even more so than many people in this category. It's a more crowded category than almost any other. I think you might be right, definitely more twenty some things than there are route types of route. We have a next category. Oh no, it's like going to be very competitive between a few for for like Seltzer, but twenty something, it's wide open at this point, so open. We have an next category, best thirty something. Oh my god. And these are these are people who you know, some of them

may be very established in their fields. If that's what we're judging them on, If that's what it's if that's what the the the Academy, the last Cultural Stist Academy judges them on, which is the readers. But it could be someone who just exudes the most intrigue or awe or someone who just embodies what a thirtysomething is. Yes, and we're in this category. We're in this category and it's there's no there's no nominees, but we're up for it. We're up for it. How do you feel about being

up for it? Nervous? I'm really nervous. I don't I kind of don't want it because then that's when people are like, oh, you know they're overrated, and you know, why are we sort of keeping all this praise on them? And it just really it makes me feel uneasy. If I think about winning this award, I think what scares me is how much I do want it, And then you can admit that I'm not. I'm not ready to admit that I want it yet. That's that's the difference.

We have a next category. We have the next category. This is the Lady God Award for being one person in a room award. This is an award for being in a for someone being in a room and being the only person in that room. Is that was? Is that? Is that accurate? Seems clear to me. We have another category, best straight or heterosexual person. There are a lot of There are a lot of good ones. They are out

there there, I believe, I believe. Um. The saying is they're here, they're straight or had a sexual Get used to it, Get used to it, you know. I feel like this is you know, if this were a sliding scale sort of nomination system, like there would only be certain nominees based on the submissions. Um, this would be one of the sparser categories. But just as much open ended in this category as there is with everything else. I think that, um, this is just going to come

down to who really wants it? I agree, and a lot of people might want it more than we think. We have a next category. This category is most iconic building or structure of all time. We know them, we love them, we live in them, we seen them, we often photographed them. Sometimes we even read about them or see them on tours. But only one is the most iconic building or structure, and we'll win the Last Cultures Culture Award for being as such. The next category is

best YouTube video of those chart data timeline things. I was just talking about them. You In fact, we're we love these videos and there's and there's a lot of them out there, only for the important ones because you know, the one hit wonders. They can't you know, it's kind of like a snapshot. You don't really need the timeline. And to think that something we only brought up on this episode isn't an tire is an entire category. It's as it has every right to be. It has every

right to be. Don't don't sleep on this category. You got this. This is not one of those like, oh it's in the middle of the show, everyone get up and you know, go, we feel your drinks now. This is a category you're gonna want to stick around for promise. And we have the next category. Speaking of things we discussed on the episode, Best Katie Perry moment. Oh my god, there have been so many moments. There have been so many moments of Katie Perry. Do you think a moment

that hasn't even happened yet might win. It's light up to me. It's not up to me, but I guess it is. Ultimately, I guess it is up to us. But I but I'm not ruling it out. I think that people should campaign. I think if you it's it's like an American Idol, where if you didn't want that person to be voted out, you should have. If you want to campaign and you want something to us at the top and win the Cultural Award, campaign campaign. My god, here we go. We have another category, best movie we

did not see. Now, mo one and I have seen very many movies. Let's be real, I have seen I have not seen so much, and only one of them will win the Cultural Award for Best Movie. We bowhen and I did not see amazing. We have another think we have another category. I think it's your turn to outstanding Reality competition host. There are some, I mean famously one has won the Emmy every year. This might be an opportunity for us to either add to that hall or go a different way. Man, I think you're up

for this category. I'm up for this. I'm not saying I am not. It would be inappropriate for me, especially because I'm nervous about how much I on it. Yeah, to sort of sway the publicism campaigners out there, of which now everyone is one. But I am up for this. This is what everyone has to understand when it's lost culture is this culture word season? Everyone's a publicist. Oh yeah, okay, it's really culture number ninety one. When it's lost season,

everyone plist. Oh yeah. We have the next category, smallest snub. People talk about the big ones, but but there are small ones. There's snubs there. You know are snubs. We can acknowledge them to be snubs, but if they're not that big, they're not a big deal. It's like, well that person didn't get didn't win, or didn't get nominated. That's too bad, But it's not. It's not something that they really maybe fully deserved as much as you know, as as this other person. I'm also up for this.

This is getting really really meta that it's an Aura Boros sneak is eating its own damn tail. We have the next category, worst insult towards us. This can be this dates back to our friendship or when people would

whatever the first time. Oh my god, Matt, you know you know who, Like there's someone out there who made history which was not not insulted us, but there was the there was the first person to refer to the two of us as like a unit of like just like, oh, those two people over there, you know, like exactly who grouped us together for the first time. That person made history.

That person made history. And they better hope that there's a bigger insult towards us out there history guys over there, Well, this is this is the award for the worst insult that someone has made about us. And this can date as far back um as far back too. When you and I were in college walking down the street together, getting a coffee together, saying hello, someone coming up to a thing, you fucking get out of our my way,

you coffee people. That's a bad example, you know, but I think coffee people was sort of used in there. It could have been something else, just saying, just saying, we have scariest monster. Lots of scary ones, I mean fictional, nonfictional. I mean from Dracula to the Uni Bomber. There have been so many monsters in history. I mean Nurse Ratchet two, Cookie, Cookie Monster, and people think Cookie is scary, the fake, the real Who will be the scariest of them all?

That's the big question we ask I have one I have I have a category I should by what I mean category most controversial Wendy Williams moment. I mean, we discussed them on this podcast, but only one can be the most controversial. Is it her sort of shrugging off someone's death. Is it her fainting in a sort of statue of liberty garb? What is the most controversial? What

was the moment that shook it up the most? When it comes to the Queen of talk, Wendy Williams, and I think wend I believe Wendy is up for a lot of these categories. She's up for almost every category. Wendy Wendy is the is the favorite and a lot of these categories. Maybe definitely for best. I'm looking just at a glance, best asked for you know best. I think the most shocking moment of the year, most shocking

of the year square for sure. For sure. In many ways, she could be the scariest, most sponster on more, smallest snub Wendy. Wendy will be a presence, she president. I haven't I have a new category, most recurring stress dream. Recurring stress dream, the stress dream that recurs the most. If you could, like write, if you keep a journal for your dreams, and you went back and flip to the pages flip flip, flip fi flip, and he thought, oh my god, the one where I'm doing that, that's

the one that's gonna win most common. Thank you. We have an ex category Worst way to die. Death is sad. Death is sad, But but it's not always bad bad, and there's some there's some deaths that are bad, and there's some deaths that and there is a death that is the worst, and we are going to be awarding that on the last Cultures Culture Awards. I'm seeing a new category coming through. We have an ex category best flavor of them All. This is a different This is

different from best Seltzer flavor. Oh, because the could be the best Seltzer flavor, which I think I know what I want, is definitely different than the best flavor of them All of them all are the year or of all time. You you're not reading it's best flavor of them all. That's of the set of flavors that exist currently. But are we stretching it back to of all time, every flavor that's existed, best flavor of it? Then that means that means there are a lot. This is the

crowded category. It's very crowded, very crowded. And if your flavor of talk show host is Wendy Williams, and then she's also up for this category best little Bro. Remember little bro is what Matt Rodgers was called by the man who was topping him. Yeah, and it really really worked, really sort of was a trigger, as the kids say, it was like he was her minding Granger casting a spe Is that it worked? Okay, atio come akio, com akio prostate orgasm. I thought it was at whatever text

that's that's me saying or shock or Scotch. Say you said worst War Scotch. Sure we have we have an next category, best big Bro. This is almost would you say this is another way of saying best top I? I it's not up to me yet again, it's really up to it either is up to us or it's it's not. I don't know what you we need to really like fall on one side of me. I would say this, we are going to be deciding the winners, but that doesn't really mean us out to us. I

see that makes total SI. I think that this is where the readers have to come in and really campaign. You know, who is the best big bro? Is it a big bro in film and television? Is it a top it's not. It's just not for me to say. You not know exactly, And we also don't know when these awards are going to be m which is important to say. Okay, we have the next category best friend, best friend. That's my best friend. If you need to freak, I'm dumb, but motherfucker, she might tweedle d this is

this is the friend that is the best. I think you're up for this. I think you're up for this, and to be competing against each other in this category is hard, so hard, and I guess I'm just it's I'm scared how much I want it. I don't want it because then I will always be measured against this award and be like, well it's the you know, twenty years from now, will I be a best friend? Will be? Will I be as good of a friend as I was? And you know, in all my life before, it's so hard.

I don't really want it, and you're brave enough to say that you do, and I wish I had that bravery. And that's why I love you so much as a friend, I love you, I love you, you back. We have an next category, Most memorable line in a movie. This is not a screenwriting award, but it's an award for the line that is most memorable. And this could come in a screen in a screenplay that is absolute horseshit. Yeah, but it's the most memorable line in the movie. The

camp classics are not are not disqualified from this. The trash the trashiest line. All movies are competing. We have an next category. We have We have a nice category, most memorable line in a TV show. This is this is similar to move forward to me, but every everything to hold on, Hold on. Okay, So I've I've just I did just receive an email from Megan McCain, who's listening line, but she prefers to email us messages. As we're recording, she says that all TV shows are in competition,

are competing for this category. Makes sense to me. We have a category. Have a next category, best note ever sung? Now, is this a pitch? It could be about pitch, It could be about emotion. It could be about how high the note is or how low the note is extributing who sang the note is, what I'm asking. I think that it could be a specific notes sung in a specific song. It could be a note on the scale. All I know is it's the category is best note

ever ever sung. And it's very clear the time, the time, the timeline is very clear. Here best note ever. We know what we're dealing with. And it's so interesting that this category has ever in and the other categories either don't have the word ever in it, or say of the year, but some of them are of all time or of all This is best. Actually, I'm going to snow myself into the ring right now, good late entry tray for your consideration. We have an expory worst note ever.

Oh you thought the bodiaries were done? No, here, here, here, here they are again. And I just threw myself into the rooting for that as well. Oh, we have an ex category best live performance by a woman. There's so many hm I can think of. At least three I can't think of at least three. We are not up for this, no, but so many people are. And the submission window will not close until the minute before we

start the awards. The awards recording the episode um at an at an undetermined time, which we do at times which we do not know when. We have an ext category,

the Diabolo Cody Screenplay Award. This is an award that is either for a screenplay that really really fucking popped right away and people got it and loved it, or didn't pop right away but earns a Holt appreciation years later until it becomes universally loved by everybody and is seen as like a really great sort of um, you know, horror, fantasy,

feminist work. So this is actually um. While it's named after Diablo Cody and you think it's going to be a general good award for good screenplay, it's actually very It should really apply to being Diablo Cody vibe. Okay, it doesn't have to be written by Diablo. It should just feel like Tully. It should feel like young adults in energy in essence. Yes, we have an ex category, the Kate Blanchet Award for Good Acting. M hmm, well, I think that one of the best actors of all

time is Kate Blanchett. I think Bone would agree. Yes, I agree, and so this is an award for good acting. But remember it should feel like Kate Blanchet is also winning. It is Kate up for this award. Yes, it was Diablo up for the Screenplay Award, Yes, and if they don't win their own it would be so embarrassing. But but listen, I mean a lot. This is not We're not trying to make anyone comfortable here. That sort of

brings me to my next category. Here we have it is the Kylie Minogue Award for why haven't they Happened in America Yet? Said? I mean, and is this is this a similar thing where if Kylie doesn't win this one, that it's just egg on her face. I think it would be major egg on her small Australian face if she her little auzzy face, if she didn't win an award that was her namesake, because that would mean that

we're asking why haven't they happened in America yet? Magnitude and Kylie, which sort of brings me to the next world interesting next category the Little Mix Award for being absolutely fearsome boots. Oh my god, they are fierce. Those three. Those are some fierce girls. And listen, they are obviously up for the Kylie Minogue why Haven't they Happened in

America Yet? Award, but they're also up for the Little Mixed Award for being absolutely fierce boots and it would be egg on their British faces if they didn't win the award for them they're variably sized British faces. And I think but at least I think there are presents throughout the rest of the awards. I mean that they're definitely have. For Best Live Performance by a Woman, UM, that would be a shared award UM, even though the

category signifies UH denotes a single woman. UM. Smallest Snubs for sure, Best twenty something, Best twenty something Album of the Year, Record of the Year, UM. Best News we heard could be about Little Mix. UM. You know there's a lot there, so I think Little Mixed, Like, if they don't win this one, there's there's plenty of opportunity in other categories. There's a lot of opportunity UM. And speaking of opportunity, the next category, we have a next category,

the Tina Turner Legend Award. This will go to a legend on the magnitude. This will go to an absolute legend on the magnitude of Tina rock icon. Tina Turner, someone who broke, reinvented, invented the form to begin with, someone who is legendary, lived and lived. Don't you want to be a legend or statement or star? My god? We have a next category, Most Relaxing Destination. You close your eyes and what do you picture if you if you want to be transported to a place where you

were completely at ease. You know, this could be a specific place or a place that is sort of imagined, you know what I mean. It can be anything. It could be anything. It could be anything. This is very similar to the Scariest Monster fictional nonfictional. It's wide open, right. We have an ext category, Best damn Bird. This is a big one. This is one of the biggest categories of all because there are thousands, millions, billions of birds, and also there is the saying, so this is the

best damn bird. It is not the Katrina's Clarity's Rogers Award for Best Damn Bird. It is just best damn Bird. Katrina has no pressure on her to win this because she's not up for it. But she is. She is sort of you know, I'm sure that she will campaign. You know, I'm sure that she as someone who's been around birds. Everyone's publicist, including my mother. We have an

next category, Best Disney World ride. There's so many, there are so many doesn't and we're not even we're not even specifying if it's a flume, if it's a three D show, if it's a live show, if it's a ride. No, it's just ride. It's just ride, something you get on. Well, unless do you consider, like, uh, one of the live shows. That's not a ride to you? You don't. You don't ride a live show. It's actually with the culture number one hundred and six, you don't ride show unless you're

a rodeo person. Unless you're at the rodeo. You're on your you're on the damn you're on the damn cow. I guess so. But I guess then the cow would be the of course, because famously at these rodeos they ride cows. Cowboy, what how boy? What? We have a next category, best Universal Studios Orlando. Right, I want to see my Orlando Queen's campaigning. I want the girls campaigning for their faiths. This is definitive. This is definitive. Okay.

Should we define a ride as anything that you put that you buckle a seapill for not even necessarily because on the teacups they don't make you put a seat belt. There are some flume rides like like I think Splash Mountain. You don't have to put on a seat anything. You get in and then it goes. Thank you. I all I wanted all along was just for some definition, and you gave it to me just now, so so well

that's why I'm here. Thank you. We have the next category now, six Flags Award for Worst Ride in Orlando. Oh my god, this is the six Flags Award for Worst Ride in Orlando. This really speaks for itself and its namesake. A bad chain of theme parks for worst ride in Orlando, Florida. I want to see my girls campaigning. I want to see my girls campaigning. Now? Is am I wrong in saying that there's a ride at the

airport or now? I think I think I'm wrong. I think you might be wrong, But I wasn't sure if it was like a vagus thing where like you know, there's like slot machines at the airport and it's like they kind of like want to bring that experience to when as soon as you leave, I think I would know, you wouldn't know, And actually that sounds it sounds wrong as they say it. But this this isn't even something at Universal or Disney World. It's it could be a

different part. Yeah, okay. We have a next category, Best Cousin of the Week. So this is anyone that has Cousin of the Week energy. You may have to sort of dive back into the podcast to find out what cousin of the week is. But this is someone who embodies what it means to be a cousin of the week. We'll be giving them an award Cousin of the week. And I should yes, and I should clarify it's best cousin of the week of all time. Correct, best cousin

of the Week ever. Ever, it's it's not in It's not in the actual title of the category, but it's I But no, now you're adding it. I see on the Google on the Google doc and thank you. So I'm reading. Let me just read that again, best cousin of the Week ever of all time. So this might require some homework. The cousin of the week is someone who embodies what it means to be a cousin that week. This award is given to the best cousin of the week ever, of all time. Thank you. We have a

next category, Best I don't think so, Honey of all time. Wow, I'm speechless. Our own thing to know that's on the list. It's it's an honor. You're up for it. I don't think I'm up for this. I think you're for it. No, I think for obvious people who are up for this. Can I just can I just list off? I think I can. I can think of one, go ahead, I

can think of a couple. Patie and Joe can booster great a titleman, Sudie Green, I mean, you know the people, the people you know and love, Um, Sabrina Woo gave a great one. Absolutely, a lot of a lot of contenders. I'm not up for this and that's what Hey, No, you're up for it. Being up for it and being competitive for it are two different things. I also think you often do this thing where you're like, no, it's it's bad, I'm bad. But you have had some really

good ones that are competitive. And you know what, there's gonna be people campaigning, a lot of publicists out there are going to be campaigning, and you might be surprised. What of your repertoire is eligible and worthy? How do you feel about your sort of your odds in this one. I think I have submitted a lot of material, and I think that they might all cancel each other out. But I think I've had some good I don't think

so Honey is. I would be shocked to hear that one of my I don't think so Honey's was the best. I don't think so Honey of all time. I'm actually pretty sure I know what's gonna win this. I'm pretty sure to know what's gonna win this. But we have to talk to you, Megan and I. We have an ex category best thing to order for the table. I mean, there's so many apps on money apps there's not and

not even apps. Sometimes it's a pizza, sometimes it's an entree that everyone shares, and we should say that this is the best of all those things. You sit down, you feel out the vibe. Someone says, I know what to order the table, and then it comes and everyone's like, oh my god, I'm so glad you ordered, so happy and thedos. I'm sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself. I don't want to know. You know you're a campaigning. I didn't mean to. I didn't mean to campaign, and I

actually don't really care for peppers. I love Schido peppers. I guess now I'm in the publicist. Huh, we'rest everyone's a publicist. That's kind of like everyone's a critic. Everyone's a publicist. We have an next category. Best dinner usually happens after the meal that you eat that's likely the last meal of the day. Sometimes sometimes the borders are a little a little undefined. Is something you eat that really feels substantial at the end of the day. Yeah,

And I've had some good ones in my life. I'm very blessed. I am so fortunate to have eaten some dinners that I would consider some of the best. And I don't think I'm done. I don't think I'm through, but one of them will be. I don't think I'm through. That's me. I'm so I'm so amazed at that that you don't think you're done, that you don't think you're through with your dinners. I think I'll continue to eat dinner. And I think that, But but up until now, they'll

have been one best dinner. And this is not best dinner that we've eaten. It's best best dinner. Take it out of dinner, I know. I tell I'm telling the publicists, take it out of us, take it out of you. We have to make an objective culture decision. I'm what's the best dinner? We have the next category, best lunch. This is lunch. This is that meal you eat. Yes, and some in some school systems and some public schools,

eleven am. That was. You know, I went to a school where if you if you had eleven am lunch, you were lucky. I had lunch one time at school recently. No, no, no, Hi school I had my lunch period was ten fifteen am. And that's what you know what? And we're actually being classist because at six they got us stuff. That's Jesus.

But I'm talking about the graveyard shift people. Maybe ten am is their dinner, you know what I'm saying, thinking not even in we're thinking in terms of a capitalist sort of timetable in the day, and let's just dismantle it. But but but we're not getting into the category. That's sure. But best lunch can be any time, and so can the next category. We have a next category, best fist, oh my god, and breakfast can be at any time in the day too. I know some diners that serve

it all day long. Okay and say that. Say that, and you want to know what I did the other night, could have been, could have been earlier than eleven pm. I said, I haven't eaten anything all day. I'm hungry. This is what I want. I fried. I scrambled some eggs, put some my some put them, put some of my tomato kimche on top, put them on a piece of toast. And that was my dinner. And I was like, okay.

The behavior that they created, the words go off king, about ak, the behavior of a king frying eggs, go off king, And it's never been more apt. Thank you. We have the next category, best fish. This is when this is This is when Matt and I really kind of unraveled. But as we were typing this list, best fish, the best what's the best fish? You want to know from you? What is the best fish? Once and for all we have skipped too. I'm gonna stay in the

next category, Best snack. You might eat this between breakfast, lunch, and lunch and dinner. Best snack. It's the one, number one, number one. It's okay, number one, best snack. We have a next category, Best beverage. This is something you drink, whether it's with a meal or not not tethered to a meal at all. About drink some water right now? Which is which is in the running? Water is in the beverage. It's up for It's competitive, it's up for it. It's competitive. I think it's got a lot of fans,

maybe even everyone in the world. But will they vote and will they will they campaign? It's not up to us, not up to us until it is exclusively. We have a next category, the cath run Han Award for us being gagged. This is going to really stir up some

some drama. A lot of people will have a lot of strong opinions on that, because, of course, being gagged is a strong is a strong opinion, is a strong emotion, one of the strongest emotions you could feel, love, anger, being gagged, and Catherine Han is very emblematic of that. That's why the word is named after her. She is in the running, she's up for it, and humiliating for her if she doesn't win. Humiliating. We have the next category, worst criminal, worst criminal of all time. This is dark.

There are dark criminals out there and this is not this is like blue collar criminals, because this could be murderers, so many ways you could be a criminal, bootleggers, so many kinds of crime, white color, blue collar, black color. That's when I meant when I said blue collar criminal, I said, I meant a blue collar crimbin all is that's that's that's not a category. I think it's clear this is the worst criminal of all time, which is

separate from scariest monster. Oh yeah, but there's some over there. You know. It might be a concentric circle within scariest monster of all time, or it's an end diagram where there's plenty of overlap. I think it could be a concentric circle. We have at best influencer. We haven't heard of so many we haven't seen young girls are influencing all the Judah day, and we haven't heard of so many of them. This one of them is the best. Is the best women? Next category? Best emoji? You know

and you love them. You see them hanging out in your phone all day, like Gells boyfriend, Like just oh, he's in the phone. He lives in the phone. The emojis live on the phone. And some of them are new, some of them are old. Some of them you never even used. How often do you go into the flags. How often? How often do some of you go into the flags? They're up for this. Don't sleep on the flags. This is going to skyrocket. This has the potential to skyrocket the profile of one of the emojs, so Cam

Payne publicists. We have the next category, Best emotion to portray. This is so specific because it's not the best emotion. It is best emotion to portray two your fans, two friends, those watching you. Best emotion to portray amazing. We have a next category. We have a We have a chunk of categories that I think will be very important. Absolutely, Okay, can I announce this one? Yes, We're almost done with with these announcements, by the way. Best animal on the farm.

You know them, you love them. They're on the farm, They've been on the farm, They've been waiting for this moment. You might even see them in a petting zoo and only one will win. E I E I oh E I E I O E G O T L C C A more like what I mean? What did you spell? E I E got lost culture? Oh my god, that's it. We have a next category, Best animal in the forest. You might be seeing this one up in the tree on the ground, hiding in the leaves and the bushes,

eating a mushroom. All the critters, critters the house down, or should I say the forest wide, the forest wide? They can it be tall and this is this is deciduous forest. This can be rainforest. This can be anywhere with a cluster of trees. Us girls, conniferus girl, step to the front. Best animal in the forest, best animal in the sea. First of all, can we say one of the biggest entities is our and we actually was it was. It was a moment of culture, our nation's notions,

the exploration of our oceans. And this takes even deeper dive if you will, and ask who is the greatest best animal in the sea. Mhm m hmm. I don't think. I don't think this will be a peaceful category. I think a lot of people will be hurts. A lot of animals will be hurt. And haven't they been hurt enough? Apparently not? Apparently not. But you better campaign if you want what's right to end up being the outcome. Animals

include mammals, fish, reptiles, reptiles, amphibians. We have an next category. This is upsetting. But it's your turn to announce best Billionaire. You know, they are a category of human being and we we are we are a culture podcast. We're rewarding things to everything in the culture. Billionaires are in the culture,

whether we like it or not. We're rewarding this award to the best one, best one meaning not necessarily nicest person, best billionaire who walks the walk of being a billionaire the most because because and now it's very hard, because they're all sort of blending together there. They're all doing the same things. They're all going to space, they're all starting, you know, uh to to to see the same trainer. It's like it's it's we need someone who stands out

as a billionaire. Which one should be uplifted on the podcast last culture and publicists, readers, you might have to start campaigning for a billionaire and I bet you never thought you'd have to do that in your life. I'm excited to hear come up with We have an next category. It is your turn. Best planet. You might not limit in our in our solar system. This can be in the Kepular system. This can be in other systems. Another another star, you know, at a in a binary star system.

It could be a star Wars planet. It could be Avatar. It could be a little Prince planet, you know the plants. It can be Mormonism planet. It can be it can be a lot avatar. You said it could be Earth. It could be Earth. It could be Earth. It could be Earth. We'd be willing to hear arguments. Megan Bone and I what happened to Abbey Oh? Um, I guess she's still around and producing. I guess I just forgot about her. We haven't heard herm in a while, and

it feels like Megan's really drowned out. Megan McCain. We should remind you. It's too bad. We have an next category, Best Teacher we Ever had parentheses Teacher Respect Award. This is now who is we best teacher we ever had? Teacher Respect Award? Thank you you answered my question. We the royal we best teacher we ever ever had? Again, it's not up to me necessarily. I'm just willing to hear campaigns. I want the publics to sort of do their work in deciding what this is best teacher we

ever had? Teacher Respect Award. Thank you. This is an opportunity to really lift someone up. Wendy Williams is up for this category. She is up for this. If you think they're up for it, they've all taught. They've all taught. We have one more category to announce. And here, let me just do a quick count on how many categories this is. We've only we've only told you seventy two categories. So that is that is like a little less than a third, and so there are many more. Yes, we

might not get I think maybe we'll do. We'll do so. Other categories will be announced very soon. Just understand, before we do the Cultural Awards, we'll have announced the next categories. We only got to seventy two. We have a last category, Most colorful color. This is for a color that is the most color I, for one, can't wait to hear the readers discuss and dissect the colors to find out which one of them it stands up, head and shoulders

above the rest as the most colorful color of them all. Now, I don't want this to be a thing where it's, oh, it's black, because it's every color. You know. Don't get fresh, don't get fresh and clever. We don't like that, you don't like that, you you have to do. I want to see spirited debate on what the most colorful color is. And please, first of all, black and white and gray are shades. And you're not gonna you're not gonna come fool us. Mhm. Those are the seventy two categories thus far.

There will be twenty eight more categories to create the one hundred categories. In the last Culture Such Culture Awards the first I am I for one of them. Thrilled because you know, because I because I like that. This is a campaign. This is there will be upsets, there will be drama, There's gonna be engagement, and I want to see the readers interact with us. This is a dialogue top Georgic moments of culture. History was just us

kind of communicating what the moments were. Yeah, twelve Days of Culture was us kind of like, you know, doing something similar. This is an opportunity, as Matt has said many times, to lift someone up. This is the opportunity for readers to be publicists, to campaign. This is how it works in the awards and just in the circuits. This is a glimpse in to how things work in the circuit. And if you're a silent someone might not

get an award. And that is the worst thing that could possibly happen to someone, And there's life to someone, or some fish in the sea or some animal in the forest, to go unrewarded their entire life. Fate worse than death, worse than death, gets a thinking, Well, I don't think I think this week, we don't do anything. I had one. You just don't want to do it because you don't have one. I want to do mine, Okay, okay, and then I'll do one. That's bad. All right, Um,

here we go. This is Matt Rodgers is I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. People taking pictures with their tongue out like this, oh to this to the side, Well, can you tell everybody what you just did? I just did to the side. I also don't like or this. Get your tongue in your mouth, show us your teeth or your smile without teeth, which is also called grin, I believe, or maybe work

a smize. I don't want to see your tongue. Everyone that goes default to stick in their tongue out in the picture. I know you. I've seen your your cuter without sticking your tongue out. If you think that you are better looking with your tongue out of your mouth than it is in your mouth. I have objective news for you. You are not. It's not cute, it's not funny, especially in the age of COVID getting your tongue in your mouth. Flop just or flop in the clown square

tongue in elf. Now, I'm not watching that. I'm not watching that. Get the tongue out of the mouth. I'm not watching and that get the tongue in the mouth. I've just had it. I've had enough. And I see people that I'm close to doing it, and I'm like, what is this insecurity? Then just don't smile at all. But I'd rather see you give a stoic look into

the camera like this, then the tongue out. Wow. Gross, that are hopping a time machine into twenty And tell Miley Cyrus before she goes on stage at the v m as to keep it in sweetie. If I did have a time machine, it's the first thing I would do. Say that. But this it's not time for your I don't think so, honey. Are you ready, fish fish, I'm ready, Mrs Bowen Yanks, I don't think so. Honey, his time

starts now. I don't think so, honey. Being in a creative ruts okay, I have been telling myself the story for too long that I've been in a rut. And then all I had to do the other night was put on some tea, put a little bit of fun music on, and then as as long as I sat at a desk with my phone off, I was a fucking font of creativity. And I was like, I haven't felt this way in literal years. And I enjoyed myself a great deal. And now I think I've really kind

of art acted. And everyone should read The Creative Habit by Twilight Tharpe, because I remember this is what she talks about. You just have to set aside the time. And it's not even about whether or not you're in a rut. It's about because that is a self fulfilling prophecy that you will fail creatively no matter what. You just have to build the time in your schedule. I'm not saying anything new, but this is this is a

truth that bears repeating. Just set aside the time, and girl, you're gonna write the next to Damn king Lear and it's still gonna be the pandemic, because we're still in the pandemic, and that's what I'm gonna come on, Charles Dickens, you also were sort of talking about scarcity mindset, which our own part of it, The Shallow told us about when you sit there and think I'm not able to create, I'm not able to create. I'm not able to create. You are fixating on the lack of creation and that

is a trap. And I would say that you you have. We've both seen each other in this mindset today, step off the pod, separate conversations. We've both really kind of like been stuck in that mindset, haven't we. I would say that you're talking to me earlier about something and I was like, it's hey, you you know you will, you will succeed. There's one thing I do in my life where I get tripped up every time I think about it because I wonder what if it's bad, what

if it's bad, what if it's bad? And it's weird because it's not really who I am in any other aspect, but it's just a project that matters a lot to me, So I don't want to mess it up. So I get that, But you are right there. It is a uh cyclical thing where I'm like fixated on the what if I fail aspect of this one thing and that I know of life and I'm not good at bar of It's not useful, not useful. And I'm happy that you put that tea on and things turned around. Oh yeah,

it was lovely. Well, it's been a long episode and I don't want to overload and have it burst at the seams for the reader because we've been getting complaints and not that I care about the complaints. Don't care at her that we've been going long. Actually, you know, ever since have I told you? Ever since we watched all those Gwyneth Paltrow videos on Fire Island of her like not giving a shit about being in the Avengers movies, being like I haven't seen any of them. Sorry, Like

that's really changed. I've talked about this in therapy, Like it's really been a shift for me to be like I don't care. I don't have to care about something

unless I should. Does that make sense? Yeah, I'm happy that Gwyneth Paltrow unlocked that for somehow Goop came up and then study was with us that day and she was like, did you guys read that New Yorker interview with her where she was like, yeah, people make fun of Goop for being for like rich women, and it's like, yeah, it is, so you can't Like I'm like, I don't like, I'm like I don't agree with that, like with like

what she's like saying necessary. But I love that attitude a lot, just like I don't care that you're making fun of this thing that I do because it's you're just saying what it is. Like I'm like, oh yeah, that is like such a helpful mindset to be. Like no, like I reject the the like the connotation you're putting behind what I do when it's literally like the intention anyway,

It's like this is such a jump. But whenever, whenever, whenever, whenever anyone tells you as a comedian, like I'll tell us like all of our comedian friends who are like who like get like rightfully like tripped up about you know, fucking comedy Central comments on Instagram being like this person is gay. It's like, yeah, that's a gay pert, that's a gay person doing comedy. It's starry started to be start to be Ellen on time. Yep, I'm gay but it's like it's it literally is like I don't Yeah,

who cares anyway. So that's to say that these episodes will be long as heavy because they're long, because they're they're a long. They're long. It's a long podcast and you only have to listen to a little bit of it.

Thank you so much readers for going on this for camp, for officially joining us on this campaign for the Lost cultusa's Culture Awards, And um, I think that there is a certain song that I want to sing that sort of is gonna be the theme song of the Cultural Awards and it goes back to Doug's favorite recording artists. Oh my god, Yeah, I got by rong Ron hear

me r to hear more of that song. Listen to the last culturesta's Culture World episodes upcoming this summer, because that will be the theme song and it will be a new recorded version of it by me and Bowen and we'll figure out how to do that later. Bowen has not signed up on that. Bye