"Matt and Bowen Get Too High"

When did you order this? I'm not doing great? Oh my god, I guess the other day I was like really high in the way that I've been dealing with my stress lately, this online shopping. So I bought a gumball machine for the because I had never seen anyone with one before. I thought it was like a cute fun thing. Oh my god, this tells I have to

go get gas now, it really does. I mean, just to show where gumballs in it, put something else in it, like what bitch put little like um little condoms put there. If not gumballs, you'll you'll think of it. But just I think you might as well make a decision around what you put in there, and you might as well subvert the expectation that there would be gun balls in it, you know, you know, I was thinking about it. I guess you could put like skittles Reminem's in there, but

that's no kiddy. What would go in something that's disposed, that disposes, but like it's something different, it's and it's not even edible. Well you are being exactly no help, not even edible. Maybe a little I'm looking around my apartment looking for chas and knickknacks that I can put in my big ball. Honestly, put put like, buy a bunch of joints, spend like a few hundred on joints, and then put your joints in there. That's what do you think? I am, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am. Excuse me, who

do you think? I am, ma'am madam. It's full circle. You bought when you were high, and then you might as well just like have that be the regulatory thing. But it's also it's also a decorative accessory. It's it's everything. I'm sort of flirting with getting high on the episode today. What's the highest you've been for one of our recordings? I remember when I was I don't think i've I don't recall a time that I've been high for this. Should we do it? Never? I don't think so. I

just bought these new balls. Let's just do it. But okay, fine, we're gonna get stone. During the recording, I was really high for the carle En filimon episode two when I was late that day and you were maps. So that was the error when we would go to like bore Um Hill, like by literally right down the street from you, down the street from me, and that was I do remember that being a time in your life when you were NonStop smoking. Yeah, well that was like that was

kind of a dark period. Do you ever miss that era of like living in that area. I kind of feel like that was an iconic apartment for you, you know how like some some like you have your apartment now, but in your past, like you have like an iconic apartment that will forever be you. The apartment and now is not iconic. I'm started to say, it's really not like I feel like it's like I feel like you will not be there for as long as you were in that old department. No, I was. I was meant

to leave. First of all, there's just some dark ship happening in this building, not even in this building on my floor, on my corner of the floor, go into this because when I was there one time, there was an energy. It's a bummer. It's just a bummer because the people across from me, they're this hetero couple already spread suspects. It's already across the hall. Hetero couple. I would say they're mid forties. I'm sure they can hear every word of this because the walls are so thin.

Which leads me to sort of the story, which is the narrative, which is, first of all, like all I've been here like a year and like three months and change. Oh my god, wow, that their entire time, they've like hosted these like I would imagine like the energy feels very coked out, like they just invite it has a weird swingers vibe to which I'm not like pooh pooing.

It's just like that's the energy. But like they bring in at least like three other couples i'd say once a week or once every other week, susis, so then they'll have they'll have these parties. And then what was especially sort of despicable was even into March April, May jin July, August, September, October. They've they've been doing this, they've been doing this all pandemic, having people over, and I'm just like, what the fuck do you think it

could be the same people again and again? Like this is truly their pod Maybe sure, sure it's fine, But all I'm saying is, even in March and April, I was like, don't do that, don't do that. I would say, well, it doesn't, I mean doesn't it doesn't matter now. I'm sure they're all healthy or whatever, and just as long as you don't start hearing hacking coughs. Well, there's so there's this aspect of it, and they've never they've never

like said said hiding in the halls. I mean, I think the mail has like made contact with me and like grinned very sort of haphazardly he sus he sus no. But I just I just I just kind of I don't. I don't, I don't scalp people. I like scaled it kind of do you kind of give him this? That's yeah, exactly, one of those like the time like hi like raised eyebrow, like bigger grin than usual, like hiya. So that's so

that's one side of it. The other side of it is that's on Fridays and Saturdays, on on any given week, the big, big time, big time party days of the week Fridays and Saturday's. Famously it's a royal culture, big time days of the week Friday and Saturday. What roller culture is that again? Oh? Um, I, I and and so then Sunday, Monday, basically any other day that's not Friday and Saturday, which are big time party days. Um. And this is when it gets dark, the most vitriolic, toxic,

hateful shower matches. Yeah. Yeah, from the same apartment, from that same apartment, from this couple. No, they've said things to each other that I don't I couldn't. I tried repeating them to someone at work when I was like telling the story. I can't even like think about. I can't even recall what they say because it's so shockingly terrible what they say to Oh my god, there's nothing worse than like hearing fights happen. I can't. I can't imagine,

like you're essentially following a narrative. Yeah, and I I kind of tense up and then oh my god, two weeks ago, it just got really bad, and I heard things bang against the wall. Oh no, And then truly truly did know what know what to do. And then he heard like the woman saying like I can't even this is so being like how the fund could you throw that at me like that kind of thing. Oh my god, I blew at the mic. The acting performance you just gave can only be given by someone who

had witnessed that is crazy. That is now. I'm not even just saying it's us. It's fully suss, it's fully sussed. It's awful. But if your sister, you're sous, I've been saying it's ever little culture. You have been saying that for you. We don't look at the number. If your assis, that's been saying that for years. So stop stop it. This is heavy. This is heavy. This is heavy. You're right, is heavy. I don't know what the funk to do still, And but then that night I did go down to

my door person and it was like Abby. I was like, Abby, she's great, she's awesome, man's my favorite. It was like Abby, I don't know what to do about the situation because they don't involve the cops. But I basically told her was like this people across from me in this unit, and I've called down to them before and been like, hey, just letting you know they're never gonna do anything. They can't and of course and like they're not like equipped to do anything about it really. But then but that

Abby was very helpful. She was like, I can put in a note to the management company of the building. They always are putting in notes. It doesn't do ship. Remember the toe? Remember the toe? Do you remember when I lived in that apartment in South brook and the guy downstairs was faced like a toe? So you have to tell the readers about to tell while I get my pen. Go okay, so I've hit my bawl. So this is just me and your readers because Boe has

left the frame. So I'm just telling you guys. So basically, when I was living in South Brooklyn the first time, the first apartment I was in there, we were on the second floor, great apartment. It was me, Sudi Man

of Checkman, Dave Mazzone some combination of that. So we're all living together and we were just in our apartment one day in the living room and we get this hateful knock on the door and I opened the door to sort of reveal a gentleman who I can only describe his face as looking like that of a human toe. This obviously took me back. This this, this was enough

to take me back in the beginning. And so I my eyes were very much open at this point, and I opened my ears to hear him say that we were stomping, stomping in the living room, and when that he lived below us, and then we had to stop stomping and having a party. There were four people that lived there. There were four people, maybe three in the living room, and we were simply walking across you know, the living room floor, et cetera, not stomping, doing nothing.

So he were We were like, okay, we're so sorry. Dancing though, no never, And you know that first of all, that apartment was like footloose, no dancing, just kidding, right, We we just were not dancing at that time. And I'm not really someone who like stomps around my apartment, like I'm definitely a pacer, but it was no stomping going on. So he leaves. I tell everyone, like, I guess we need to be more careful because that guy was said we were stomping. We were all just you know, perplexed.

So cut to several months of this happening. He physically threatened us with violence one time, and Amanda's boyfriend at the time, Matt, was threatened with physical violence by him being like, if you don't stop, I'm going to stop it. And he literally said like he said something along the lines of like I don't want this to come to physical blow, but it might. And we were like, are you kidding? I'm telling the toe was on one on one and sist is us and I have to say this.

He then put his own surveillance camera in the hallway so that he could see who was coming in and out of our apartment. The camera was pointed at the door. I was like, this can't be. So I go to call my landlord, who's a ninety year old Greek man. He's dead. The landlord died. You found out he died when you called. We found out he was dead because the daughter picked up the phone. I kid you not so that I say, well, I'm so sorry for your last Someone does have to deal with this. She was like,

we can't deal with it for like a month. I was like, okay, yes, take the time you need Meanwhile, it gets worse and worse. The environment between me and the tow is getting so thick. Amanda is in hysterics, like Sudi could not handle it. I remember Sudi and Amanda being very perturbed. This was what circuit two fourteen. Dave was being very Dave about it, like like he actually moved out. He had had it, so he moves out. I'm there with Study and Amanda, and we had someone

just like subletting that Dave apartment. And I'm telling you, it got to the point where we had to leave because the landlord said, there's been too many complaints. I'm raising your rent in this way that only a landlord could be complained with the landlord. But he was complaining about was complaining the landlords. The daughter the toe was complaining to the daughter of the landlord, who, let me tell you something. She might have been born into this dynasty,

but she was not appropriate for the role of landlord. Okay, she was more more like a dummy. So her name was Christina I'll never forget. And she called and I basically had to beg her to not raise the rent, telling her this was unjust unfair. She was kicking us out of our homes and we were all being good tenants and he was just insane. He like, legally, I didn't think he was in his rights to serve ail

our apartment. These readers all my lawyer readers, tell me if this is like, if I'm off base here, but it felt insane, and she was like, you guys have to get kicked out of the apartment. She because like, you guys are gone, and I'll never I was so mean to her. I hung up the phone and I said, this has been a horrible apartment to live in. You're a horrible landlord. And I hung on her and I just I just heard her go oh, like she was

taken aback. And I was so I couldn't believe I had to an adult and I'm I'm twenty three at the time. I got so upset because it was so unfair and that was my first experience within justice. Just kidding. It was moment um. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't great. I kind of immediately regret smoking because I'm like a funk. I kind of have to worry. No, you don't, I don't, I say you don't. Can I say something? You don't have to work this week? Because you did such an

amazing job last week. Wait oonna, I'm start proud of you. Thank you. Before we talk about this, I just want to close I just want to close the loop on my situation, which oh sorry, no no no, no no, no no no, just really quick. So I mean something got sent to the management company, who knows what will happen. But then I also went on next door and posted a whole thing where I was like, what you're Christina all of a sudden, is that where you can anonymously

blast people you live? Well, well, that's what people do. And it's not anonymous like your name is on it, but people, it's just people in the neighborhood, like talking ship, it's and and a lot of it in my area unfortunately, is like make sure you lock your car doors, like there's there's there's suspicious activity going. It's I mean, that's that's how That's how next door is in a lot of neighborhoods across the country. And so did you kind of take to the website seeing if someone was having

an experience like yours? I said, what what should I do from people who might be experienced in this? Um? So I was I was looking through and explicitly asked. But I was kind of reaching out to the social workers and to the to the people who to the professionals. Did you get any anything anything back? Well, it's it was so many split things. Oh see, they're all fools. Some people being like, you have to call the police. That's the only way this gets resolved, and then other

people being like, no, that doesn't solve anything. That actually creates a tens or situation for the people, and and then other people being like I'm a survivor of abuse and nothing changed for me until someone called the police. Uh. Yeah, that's a tough one. It's so it's so hard. There's no right answer. You don't want to assume that I think something needs to be done. What are you going

to do? Go over there yourself and knock At a certain point, like I was thinking that maybe what while you were talking, I was like, you know, I think that someone needs to make them aware of the fact

that like, I don't know. This is a tough one. Well, I you should probably call thee no, because there there are like domestic abuse hotlines that like I can call into but like, but then, but see what all of these experts are saying and social workers were saying on next door was was something along the lines of like you kind of have to catch one of them, You kind of have to confront one of them individually and be like, hey, if you need help, let me know.

But then it's like, I I am concerned for them on a baseline level, but I also despise. I don't want anything to get hurt. But it's like I don't want to. I have not been put in the position to like, well, no, I'm not saying that, like I would not like step in because they're despicable people, because they broke quarantine rules, you are willing to let them? No. I mean, first of all, it does not it does not fall on me individually to be like, hi, um,

I'm gonna solve this. No, no, no, no. I I think I think that what seems to be not happy inning is that no one is willing to be like this is an unusual situation and we all live in this environment and it's becoming toxic foreveryone, not just you. So what's going on? And I think that maybe, but I do not want I do not want to deal with the sort of little aged cocaine energy hetero energy with these people and I'm gonna guess white, yes, yes,

so um great. So the thing is, I think that it needs to be made more explicitly known to the people who are running your building what exactly is happening. And also have you thought of going to other neighbors

and being like, are you having this experience? Yeah? But my my neighbors next to me and I have a tense relationship because I like because I've literally like played especially during the the SMLT Home episodes when I was shooting stuff, like they like knocked on my door and like complained about the noise and I'm like, I'm sorry. I like the walls are paper thin here that I I hate. I hate that. Oh my god, that's every

ne York apartment though. Hello, the apparently the floor in that apartment that I was just talking about was made of paper apparently because that toe was inflamed. That was what I was thinking to you, like, I'll just like go over to them and be like, hi, if you guys were hearing this, like let's figure out something we

can do. But anyway, since that big blowout where things were thrown, there hasn't been anything quite as quite as violent as that apparently, but um, they've the parties have continued. So but anyway, Um, I'm proud of you for how you did on the show, despite the fact that you're very disrespectful to to the Quebeckers. I feel that the accent that you did, the way you were behaving, the buffoonery sort of sketch comedy acting you were doing, was

very disrespectful that lives in the province of Quebec. You know, sketch comedy is um dangerous. It is supposed to be subtle, and it's supposed to be really paired back and always accurate and completely it's it's real, grounded realism. I want to see more Mary Louise Parker on SNL the most rounded actress. We can think she's very grounded. No, who's the most ground And I'll tell you who's the most

grounded Christian because she's not doing anything anyway. Grow Um No, but we love drost hashtag anyway, maybe that's a rule of culture. I'll tell you who's the most grounded actress, Christen Stewart, because she's not doing anything. That's culture number fifty nine. Of course, Bond is not going to say it because he is of course d n C SNL and I, of course I of course I'm out girl dog. No one owns me, no corporate entity. I am owned by no conglomerate. Okay, bitch right, what we're gonna say?

I was saying, was there really any blowback from the province of Quebec? What people who don't know Bowen did a very funny um, well, we could explain the sketch We did a Canadian news, a French Canadian news show called bonjer High, which I didn't realize until until after the sketch air that there is such a cultural controversy around saying bonjeer high in Quebec, that there is a small movement there too codify into law that it is that it would be illegal to say busher high, and

anyone says busher high will be like fined or something. Wait, why I have I have to ask one huge question, which is why it was so bucher high. It's like meant to sort of like be both in English and in French greeting. I understand, no matter who you're sitting, no matter who you're talking to in Montreal or in Quebec, why this is happening is because Quebec has this really fetishistic love and memory for when they were owned by the French. Is the is the most simplistic way I

can put it. The license plate sage sullen, which is I remember, and that's saying it refers to when they I remember when we were French. So they wished to be French. They wish to be French. Really, at the core of like kibbe Qua cultural identity is this like it's differentiated enough to not be French culture. And I think there's like French Canadian pride in French Canadian culture being what it is and being distinct. But I feel like that's what this is rooted in so bonje High.

This is a sort of watering of their rich culture and they feel it's like saying happy holidays. It's like a happy holiday situation, right, It's like can I get more catch up from my French Fries please? Exactly, I understand. So it's like it's cheapening what is what they feel is a rich origin culture, right, Yes, So there's a sort of movement to sort of extract the high from it and potentially make this punishable. Yeah, it's like by law.

It's Um, I don't know if it's technically nationalism, but it is like I don't know, it doesn't matter, Um, it's it's secessionism for sure. There is this like under current of like a secessionist like right, okay, got the part of Look, growing up in Montreal was lovely and I really enjoyed going there now, but you can no

longer now, I can no longer now. I was going to say that also growing up in Montreal was it's one of the sort of more inflammatory lee racist places to be, I would say, like the kind of racism experience and now I'm grammar and now no, no, no, this is but this is like this is something that like people I think are willing to talk about um

and have talked about for a long time. But like my personal experience with it is that the ship that we got in Canada and Montreal specifically and Quebec specifically was like maybe if I could quantify it, like four times worse than what we got in Denver. Whereas like you move to the US, moving to the US like towards Asian people, like the racism is more buried under

a lot of other stuff. Um, But Quebec people are like very direct, very sort of just like efficiently spoken to keeping, so they'll they'll just like like one of the most traumatic memories I have is being like seven years old, six years old, and we just came from a dentist's appointment, me and my sister, like the whole family met my parents, My sister and I went to this dentist's appointment, and then on the drive home, we pull up to stop light and then the car to

the right of us. I'm sitting on the right side in the back. The car to the right of us pulls up. It's these two like and iust vievs who whatever the funk? Like French Canadian asked girls, and I mean that and like I'm there. I have to say you say you say that name and you say that you I I just have to tell you I'm there. I get it. The Anna used is on Isis. But like they're like, what are the Long Island equivalents? You know what I'm saying? Like their names, Amanda's their names.

Their names are both Amanda, Amanda t and amandas Amanda Tucker and Amanda Simmons. And that's what the Lacrosse college called from Tucker and Tucker and Simmons, you too, YouTube YouTube, Hey Simmons. The only way I gotta I gotta say the last name is the only way you can tell them a put. They're always together. We have to wait,

hold on, well okay, well we'll finish this. Okay. So anyway, um and the US and gen Viev are like looking over at us, and then they're pulled, pulling back their eyes, sticking their heads, pulling back their eyes, like waving their fucking faces in front of us and my mom and like Kathy Park Hong writes about this in her book Minor Feelings in Asian American Reckoning. Everyone everyone should read it, even if you're not Asian. And this just applies to

all I think non white people. Perhaps, is that being a child of color or being just a person of color is to see your parents be humiliated, is to see your parents be humiliated. And this was this is a this is like a moment of that that I so vividly remember. And so so then these girls pulled their eyes back. My mom flips out and starts to like curse at them, and it's just like like giving them the finger. She's I've never seen her this upset at a stranger before. And then I just got so

mad too that I'm like me. The seven year old rolls down my window and I started giving the double bird too. I love thinking of you like this. I have to say, this is one of my favorite things, is like thinking of young indignant upset Bowen. It's so It's always been in me. I know. I know that like more that like higher high ground that you know, you know what, when I have see I don't get like that. I don't have a strong opinion either way

about something unless I know your sense of justice is intact. Yes, thank you your sense of Justica. You're not morally superior. Your sense of justice is intact, and it's a leading principle for you. It's a leading principle organizing even so, I hello, so, then so then and then and then and then I remember flipping them off, and then they both laughed like they were kind of shocked. No no, no, no, no, that they were. It wasn't like a ha I was like,

oh my god, that kid. It was shocked them in a way that I that I was actually very satisfying for me because I'm like, oh, like one like they didn't expect a kid like like the kid in the back to do this with them. These are these like two fucking like curdled asked teenage girls like giving me this like whatever. So I was just I was just like able to give that energy back in some way. I mean, there's nothing, there's no equivalent thing you can say to these people. And by these people, I mean

white kid aquas. But anyway, do you think that those ass um are the two people are amongst the people complaining about your performance? I'm sure that kind of person. Yes. But then meanwhile, we named Kaid's character and Marie after my next door neighbor and Marie leg and there were such a lovely family. The Legs were so lovely and so nice. And now I just got a DM from her. She's like, oh my god, she's like a lead like she's like a lead developer at Shopify and like in Toronto,

I think. And she's like and she's posting on these cute like she she loves to travel to her Asian countries. I love that. And Marie and I were reconnecting, and um, that was really nice. But um, anyway, yes, the Nsion, the Gien vievs are that are amongst the people. So there's a small group of people who are like, what the funk was that? That was terrible. There's some people who are like it wasn't funny, but who cares if it's accurate. And this is me being like, no, Like

it was funny. It was funny. It killed a table two weeks in a row. Yeah, I loved it. I really liked it. This is and this is a whole different thing we can get into. But therapy was so funny. Oh my god, Issa, can we talk about Issa? Also, just when she said at the beginning, I'm the first black woman to host, she was like, y'all are scared. That is not true. That was so funny. That was such a funny joke. She is so good, she's so

good at the show. And also she is so fucking gorgeous, oh my god, stunning, but also like truly so funny and like Insecure, I'm just like, what a gorgeous like Oh yeah, what a gorgeous like thing that like she's made, and like that's given us so much like comfort. I don't know, I find it. I I apurcha Insecure is a very comfortable show. Lisa is an artist, a true artist.

To me, she is like an artist because she like she feels like like she's it feels simultaneously like she's curating something that means something, but also she's following the fun for her, Like she truly is doing both those things at the same time. Where it's insecure, is so much fun and like you really feel like you get to know the characters. And also it's just it feels like there's so much like being discussed in it. That's that's worth it. Like, so it's it's both I love

I love and stre I love it so much. She was fantastic all week. I really I like let her know too. I like a good nights so like I mean like I kept my cool. I generally just like don't really remark on anything throughout the week, but with her, with her, I genuinely felt like, wow, wow, wow, this is crazy so good, so good nights for dress. I went up to we like we had a moment where we were like high and then I just like let let out really quickly. I was just like, is this

is this gross for me for me to share? I was just like, I've just been obsessed with you for years, and I just I'm so glad that you're here, and I'm so glad that this is happening. And she was like, she was like stop, like she was being very really sweet, and so I just that's what I always stop. I always say stop. That is a very mad thing in my eyes. You know, I wanted to continue. Stop stop. I said stop stop. If you don't stop, I'm going to get mad. Stop. It's now, no, you better stop.

And then um, the rest of the Cobeckers are like people who are like who like it's unremarkable. Who cares? We don't care? And then there's like there's like a fun little like segments of the population that that's like, oh that was very stupid and silly, and they got it like and they like, yeah, there's no like huge

actual blowback. I got it. But the Montreal Gazette, which is like which used to be the main newspaper there, and I think now it's I don't know what the deal is now Maybek Gazette, well, some opinion writer like just railed on it, and I was like, oh, you just god, who cares? Literally, it's like what is their sense of humor? They put on the huge pants and a big dumb head and they like poop in the street and that's a whole festival for nothing. Don't don't care.

Montreal people better not drag my friend for sense of humor. Okay, because I've seen you like flip a sausage in the air and then do a split and then it was like an hour long show that we'll paid for. So okay, literally, stop stop it. That's my ever. I grew up there. Um you know what Bowen, I grew up. I grew up to drew ups. Wait, the sketch was great, thank you, but this is this is what I want to say. Oh, we all should maybe um fucking re evaluate what we

want out of sketch comedy. I guess I don't know. It's like no, no, it was a it was a few people. It's no, no, no, no no, it's not even that. It's just any but like, truly it's a thing where like the commentary on comedy I think is busted. I have to tell you, I think we are over editorializing so fucking much. It's crazy. Like I get that everyone's board and I get that it's some people's job to like sort of what watch what's happening in the culture.

Obviously here we are, but um, yeah, to me, it's just like I think it's because and maybe this is gonna be a little bit of a drag on all parties. But the importance that was put on SNL in the two thousand eight election I think was in retrospect too much. I think it was like two eight two thousand and eight. I'm talking about with with with like the the way

it impacted the election of it all. I think there's such a bloated sense of both importance and expectation that it feels sometimes like I was going to ask you, actually what it feels like working there, And obviously you have some experience with the Andrew Yang of it all, of like when they look to you for some sort of like comment and the pressure to deliver that comment in some groundbreaking way. Does that make sense? Yeah? Yeah, Like what is that? What is that? Like? What is that? What?

Temperature wise? What does that feel like? I can only speak to it personally because I was never involved in any internal conversation around like what's the goal with Like, it was just really bizarre to be in those sketches. Do my bad impression of him. I hate when you're saying that, because this is the thing I'm not. I'm not an impressionist that is like an actual like, but

what you were doing was not a bad impression. And this is this is this is the bliterally literally, what I'm talking about is that everyone's turning their eyes to it and needing it to be a historical document or the funniest thing in the world, and it's hard to be both. And so it's just like I saw the way you internalize that, and I'm like, bitch, anyone else doing an Andrew Yang on the street would never get this,

Like I just didn't get it at all. But meanwhile, like after any time, I would go up and do it like these were the darkest days of Twitter for me. Like Yangang people God bless them, would like flood my fucking mentions and be like, you suck this person should play Andreying instead, Get that person to play Andrey Ng instead,

be assuming that they know how it works. Really says a lot about the Yang Gang but continue, no, no, no, well it was just this thing first of all, and also just the grand point on all this is that Andrean has never been anything but like extremely kind and nice to me and like has like reached out like and has has been just a great guy. But the way but it's you're right, it's like the expection, the expectation of what happens at the show is so wildly

like either over underestimated by like a viewing public. So I feel it's because people genuinely who don't know ship actually think that Tina Fey Sarah Palin like changed people's minds in the election. I honestly think there's people out there that think that like that I really do like and maybe it's a little bit like legacy leaning into it, but there is this sort of thing where I feel like there's this expectation around the show at this time that's like both unfair and never going to be met.

So it's like sure, you know what I mean. I feel like sixteen was like it seemed to align with what was happening like between like Kate being Hillary, that being the show seemed to really take a side because there was a correct side and there was a wrong side. And I appreciated that about it. I always do, as at least it's taking a side, um, you know what

I mean. But with the Andrew thing with the Andrew Yank thing, It's like I had that layer, and then I had the layer of you're not writing his jokes, well as if I'm the one who is like writing yeah exactly. And that's not to throw the actual writers under the bus, but I would have. I would I was pitching like two or three things for each of the two lines that I would have in those debate sketches.

And then it was like, Wow, you suck, and like you're the reason why MSNBC is planning against Andrew Yank to cut his time in the in the debates and that is somehow your thing. So I was somehow complicit in that. And then it was this thing where like, you know, I was purposely throwing the impression or something, and then oh my god, that is such a walk.

But my my thing is like, wait, I'm up there with Larry David the hate like draft Maya Fred Armison, like I'm not going to get They're gonna cut to me twice no matter what. There's like twelve other legends on this stage. And I just started this fucking job like a month ago. Yeah, So I just think it sucks that this is what you just said is not

the number one narrative around that experience for you. That's I think what sucks, and that is the that is the social media fucking devil, and it's the public needing something that they're never going to get by just demanding more, you know what I mean. I don't know. I don't even really know what my take is on this. I'm just kind of dumb struck by, like to hear that people were upset about the Montreal sketch. I'm like, y'all,

we are commenting too much, too much. This is the point I'm trying to make about the commentary on comedy and maybe even so, but specifically the commenting around SNL is that it's like, hmmm, well this was this was a bad week, and it seems like they're just sort of dusting off the cobwebs because corn the quarantine shows were probably It's like there is like it's news, like

it's news, like how how SNL did that week? But it's this thing where it's like like the sort of and this is something that I'm trying to disengage from, but like I'll lightly follow, like the sort of commentary timeline of the night from the from the night before on a Sunday, a lot of people commenting will be like, God, who let this pitch pass? And like really this made

it pass to the table and blah blah. It's like wait, wait, wait, wait wait, you think that's something that a funny idea executed, no matter how many times or how few times, will always stick the landing whenever it makes it to air. No, the sort of deciding factors always the audience. And what happened this week was the air audience was fucking dead. Yeah, And that's just what happens. And that's not that's not like I'm not faulting them. I'm just saying, this is

just what happens sometimes. And it's and they're all wearing masks and there's a fucking pandemic and they're indoors and who knows what. They don't know what the ventilation system is. So maybe it's weird. It's it's like it's just weird to begin with. Yes, yeah, anyway, anyway, but I don't know.

This is what I'm saying, we should we should just figure out maybe recalibrate what we want to get out of a sketch at all, where it's like we're not We're not trying to impart these unexcavated truths to you. Sometimes it's just so we can do a fucking silly voice and build build, like a new show, sketch around like ultimately, like if someone had to put on a wig to do it, you can't take it seriously. And that's a rule of culture. It's real coach number sixty four.

If someone you can't seriously, which which excludes Nicole Kidman from Big Little Eyes because she didn't, of course you must take that. No, she did work. Come on, mama, she is a liar. If we need to get Nicole on the pod, because I'm gonna set her down there, hair in the stom and say, bitch, you didn't wear a wig and big little eyes and she'd be like, no, of course I did my Australian accent. This put me on us and now no one will even watch the schedule. Oh my god, No, we have to do the Adele

impression again. I'm obsessed with the Adele impression. I love you. I think so funny you always held me laughing. I feel like Adele's going to go up to Bowen and it's sorry. Doug Engineer I'm gonna blow it out because I am. Okay, this is what Thedel's gonna say to Bowen. Oh my god, I love you. You You always held me laughing. You had me laughing this one. I'm about that one scace she did last make so funny. I'm at Del'm hosting s and now to speak with musical guests her

not sha ha. I can't I can't do I can't do company. Why didn't you let me be do my impression of her? Oh my god. Okay, well let's start over. I'll start over. I'm Del, I'm hosting us, and now this musical guest her, that's your name, right, huh yes? And that was a very and that's a very responsible impression. It has to be like, oh my, there's there's I just want to say. This is the last thing I'll

say about the enduring. If there's one guy and he seems lovely and he actually he wants to always make it clear to me and that he just he cares for me, he wants me to do better. But he's been saying this for over a year now. He goes, he I'm sure he'd be so fun to meet in person. Oh yeah, I bet he looks cool. Um here so stoned she Um. He'll always say if if you just spent a couple of minutes watching his interviews and studying his mannerisms, maybe you'll get it. And I'm like, oh god, um,

you don't. Like I'm like, don't, don't worry about it. Don't you don't have to give me process notes, babe, okay Um. I wanted to tell you, Um, right before we got on here, I watched the Black Pick documentary started it and what you were talking about re racism in Quebec, Australia, New Zealand. Yeah, it made me think of what those girls through in Australia and New Zealand. I was thinking actually about summer HIGs high and how

and just Chris Lilies work in general. Yeah, Like there's a lot of racist stuff towards Asians, a lot as as hilarious as he is. Like he did something and I'm sure he would call himself equal opportunity, but now it was like explicitly anti Asian, and I think he would say he was making fun of racist people. But the young man was in yellow face and like really laying it on thick. Um. She kind of got like

actually canceled over the summer, didn't he. I mean, listen, if there was gonna be a cancel Sprae, he was gonna be on the list right, And let's not leave out the black face. Um oh no, I'm just saying, like I was thinking about it because that show so explicitly like displays a racism towards Asian people. I'm just saying I learned from you and Joel that Australia actually

is extremely racist, yes, which I did not know. And then when I saw that she was from there, I thought, oh, she probably got like whole life's full of experiences with racism. It's um, it's it's the kind of like there's an anti immigration sentiment there around towards Asian people where it's like, um, they're taking her jobs, that kind of thing. With the Chris Lily of it all, it's like it doesn't even

fall completely on him. He's just an example of this culture, this comedy culture that or or a sensibility that makes it like tolerable to like actually be like explicitly anti Asian. And actually it's like ship that like even like you know, and I'm comfortable saying this that even like you're Sarah Silverman's haven't really owned up too, you know, you know

what I'm saying. And as and as wonderful as Sarah is, and I mean she's like one of my fucking heroes, but like anytime you'd watch Jesus's Magic, anytime I would watch Jesus's Magic, and she like went on and on about she's not afraid to say shank, but it's because she's not afraid of Asian people. It's like, oh, like that like watching that developing into like a communic voice. For me, I was just like a lot of sucking sucks, but you just have to swallow that and move forward.

And that is the culture that like allows for that ship to happen. Um. But anyways, as wonderful as Sarah is, and it's like, you know, she's on the right side of things now and she like is consciously like being sort of just. But I I would hope that something she owns addresses that part she not. I don't think she ever has. Well, yeah, that's no. And it's like we've seen people, We've seen people get really right through the goals over tweets that say that very same thing.

So yes, exactly. Anyway, I was watching the documentary and that part came up, and so I I remembered when you guys told me that it was so different or not different, but so much more blatant rights. And that's the thing too, Like I think back on my like my parents being there, and like they experienced that firsthand. I never had to. I don't think my sister remembers

um that much of it. So I feel like my parents have just like gone to these places that like in some way like didn't want them, which is very weird. And then suddenly it's it's that thing too have like when you watch your parents have to deal with that, And another thing that bucks in your brain is that your parents are the safest, most control smartest people that could hand any situation. You just have to look to them.

So to look to them as a child and watching get upset, it made you get upset, you know what I mean? Like and that that is something that is formative. So it is sort of you know, you had a response to that. Absolutely I want to talk about this is the Amanda culture of it all. Okay, we're visiting, but when you were, when you when you were doing that,

your impression you're very well researched impression of a lacrosse coach. Yes, I walked into this zoom to a conversation that Matt was having with the whole the whole crew too Doug Dog, to hot head of content, Hans, too hot producer. There they were, and they were looking really good today. I mean, Hans, three of them looks good, like a fine wine, better by the day, Hans. Hans facial hair length is really good right now. It's really really working. Heart throb, and

he says l O L in the chat. I think he's just I think he's uncomfort bowl. I think that he's sort of laughing because he doesn't feel like he doesn't know. It's like it's like an half and halfway Princess Diaries, you know that movie and halfway Princess Diaries, and it's sort of like she doesn't know she's gorgeous the whole time. That's sort of the energy, sort of the energy how he is giving his Princess Diaries. Um, he says, I can't drop emojies, but it would be

red faced emoji. Oh so anyway, Yeah, I was talking to him about baseball and hearing you talk about your athletic career, saying that he had six hundred batting average because you were a bunter. You said you were the best buncher, the best buncher in Babylon. Well this began because Han test if I was a baseball fan because I have my Dodger's head on, and I said, I mean, I'll go to the gay days. You should have asked me.

In the late nineties and the late nineties, I was like a massive, like crazy Mets fan like and it ended like Love the Millennium. Oh my god, I was about David right. Yes, I did. When I in college. Oh my god, when I was in college, I did. That was my first a good sketch I wrote. It's an amazing sketch. It's such a well written sketch. That was when I knew. I was like, Matt Rodgers, Wow, that guy can really write a fucking sketch. And that's kind, that's very kind. Um. But anyway, I um like I

was wearing the statress hat and I told him. I was like, the Dodgers were big for me because that's where we got our crown jewel. That's where the Mike, that's where Mike Piazza came from from the Mets, and we got on this whole tangent about whether I played baseball. And it's true. I was a center fielder and was a leadoff hitter, and I would bunt every single time I hadn't at bat, and I had an average of

about six hundred. And I was the stolen base leader in my league as well as the runs leader in my league because I was so fast, and then I I was the leader, and I was My batting average was crazy high. And then eventually, like eventually, like the third basement and all the other team every time I would come up, they would bring their third basement all the way up to get my bunts. But bitch, I was still too fast. I was running around the bases

and then I quit to run. Try and track track was a positive experience for you, very Oh my god, Yeah it was because the track kids, the track kids just ha, there a community. Track kids are a community, and they were cool fun. Yes, but they're fun and cool and and funny and cute. Here's the thing about cross country kids and track kids. And I hope this is still the case. But they were the people that I learned like cool music from like they they liked Queen,

like like fucking on football buses. I don't think they were singing Bohemian Rhapsody, I really don't. I think they were singing like I don't know, maybe their pump up song was something different. Maybe we got some we Will rock you in there, but that was as queeny as it got on the football buses. Rock country bass. It's it's an exception in the it's an anomaly in the Queen. It was him doing mass Dragon, we love we Are

the Champions. There's a lot of sort of you know, hetero ish songs, but really they're just I mean, there's no gayer song than We Are the champions Um if you really think about it. But anyway, um, the icon of cross country is this guy, Steve Prefontaine. And he was sort of like he was a guy with long hair, hippie like you got the sense that maybe he smoke. And even though it was like a psycho runner, he was just one of the best cross country athletes of

all time. And he died tragically, very young, but he was like an iconic college cross country athlete. There's actually two There's one code without limits, and it has Jared Leto and there's one called Prefontaine that has Billy Crude up or I could be mixing it up, but there's two good movies about this guy and they're both pinked um,

so you should check them out. But what I'm saying is there's like a more like sort of queer like whatever sensibility with cross country and track because you're trying of doing the gay sport because you're not using your hands and you're not throwing balls, you know what I mean. I love you're not like slamming into people. And the people were cool and they and they were smart, and I like their castle. That's what it is. They're not

a grow in that way. So the thing is like on cross country and track, you're really it's really an individual sport. So the fact that you're not relying on each other takes the pressure off in a way. Like I would always get so anxious when I was going to play a team sport because I was pretty aware that I was the only gay person there and like, if you messed up, it meant more than you let the team down. It meant like you were in a

man you know what I mean. So God whenever I still to this day sometimes when I hear when I start to smell in New York spring in the air, I still have like this crazy anxiety, which I talked about last week on the pod. I have this insane anxiety because baseball season is starting. Literally still happens, like I have sense memory. It's so it's so weird, but yes, that's how I have the lived in um character of lacrosse coach inside me. My dad as coach energy always

has but this is um. This is a mask energy that I think Matt is. Matt very very selectively pulls out. I think, as well, well, can I say something about it? You know what's interesting, Like the response to Hot Dog has been like, so, wow, you're the gayest person ever. I love the show is so gay, Like I love the fagotry, Like you go, girl, like you're so gay, you're gay that there's a little part of me that comes from Long Island and was this kid. That's kind

of like, I hope it's not turning people off. I hope they're not saying it in a bad way. I hope I'm not annoying. And I don't know. I think that I do have a complex with that. I have a complex with being like gay and annoying, which I guess is pretty unfortunate because I am. But um, but I don't know. It's it's hard. It's it's not an

individual thing. It's not an individual thing. It's like a social cultural thing where like exactly, it's, yeah, I've just been cultured a part of me that still lives that I've almost killed. He's almost dead, but still believes that be acting that gay is like like delegitimizes you in a way, you know what I mean. And that's just that's just my damage. I'll be very honest about i'mly is it truly? Is nobody's business like? And I okay.

So so I like tweeted a bunch of ship on Sunday after the Gazette posted their thing, and I was like, guys, it's literally so we can just do silly voices. You god, you people are so annoying l O L. And I left that up and I was just like, this is actually how I feel. I don't care if it's like I don't care if this is like me like sort of taking the beta or whatever. And then I tweeted a bunch of things and then I was in a

salty tweet Stormer was like a salty tweet storm. Oh my god, that's good coming to the stage, salty salty tweet storm. I was just like to the people who are happy that I didn't play a faggot this week, but it wasn't a fagot on TV this week, Like your face looks like Olive low bitch, Like I don't care what you have to say. And then podcast Fantasy World, this meme account of Instagram posted this funny thing that made me laugh, which was who the funk y'all think

y'all are? And then and then it's an image of following two thousand seven followers like fourteen and I'm just like, yeah, like, this is the energy that I get a lot these people who like practically don't exist on the internet. Do you want to get that? What you guys? I have a package? Okay, okay, okay, man, it's gonna get his package. Um. Sorry, we're getting real Okay, So this is just me a new reader. We're getting really realist episode, and I hope

you're along for the ride. Yeah, this is just us very sort of candidly talking about things I don't think. I don't think Matt and I had had a discussion like this in a while. Um, what's the package? Sure, this is like a very sort of like the listeners, the readers rather, are really sort of like in our living rooms. I was telling readers that I feel like this is a very real episode. I mean, why not, right in the world, think about everything that is going

on in life. You wouldn't want to not say all these truths, you know? Yes, that's right. Sorry, I'm just opening a box with a with a what do you call this? A plastic knight? Plastic better night? All right, I'll tell you what it is. It's Trick Mirror by Ga Tolentino. Isn't that crazy? Literally, you've been saying for me to get this on this pod, and now I get it on the pod ever since Taylor Trench, Taylor Trench and I told you to get this, Miss Taylor,

I miss Hers. I know that the audio the Maria the Meaning of Maria carry audio book is without here. But Jia herself does a very good audio book of Trick Mirror. Well, then maybe I'll do with this book what I did with Mariah's book, which is I'll actually read it while I listened to it to get a full immersive experience. I tried that with Mariah's book, and I really enjoyed it. I really liked that experience anyway.

I know, I just my salty tweet storm was just like these people who like the people who are like telling you to be more, to be less fem or the silent lizard brig part of me that's telling you to be less fem is just like enlarged in these other people who are saying like like I get this ship all the time where it's like bow and bone. Stop like Bowen's being so like say or whatever, and I'm just like bo and better stop doing that gay voice. I'm like, sorry, but who get notes from just the

public just just commenters? Yeah, And I'm like, oh no, that's my voice, honey. Yeah. That's another thing because it's like it's like it's funny because I thought what I was doing on a hottop was like me at like an eight, Oh, I feel like I'm toned down. Yeah, oh my god. The same Literally when every time I'm ever on tape for anything, and any casting director ever encounters me, they're always like, Okay, you know what you can just throw it away. And I'm always like, it's

such a drag. It's like when it's like when our producers sent me this pop builder. It's such a drag. But they don't know. They don't know. No, it's true. You know what I'm coming for them, and they're they're right here in the zoom and they know who they are. I'm actually really thankful that you guys sent me a pop filter. It was Doug. I knew it was Doug. I'm actually really happy I have this pop filter now for a little voiceover things, which I do. Sorry, oh yeah,

it is good for voice over. So it was Hans. There's so there's this trickery going on. I have to I have to say something what I can no longer hold in my I don't think so, honey. I actually was going to run by you doing it first thing. I'm like, already an hour in, Well this is the thing, bitch. No, no no, no, I'm not saying we're doing that. I

don't think so, honey. Now I'm saying that I literally wanted to come to the episode today starting with this because I wanted to provoke a discussion, because I think there needs to be truth there needs to be truth speaking into the atmosphere, and it might need to be expanded on. Okay, I love we've never done this before. No, we're doing it early earlier. Does this should? I can't wait in mine wait until the end? Yeah, because it's gonna have to anyway, because like I said, it's going

to provoke a discussion which takes time. You know, it's actually real culture number sixty six discussions. They take timeson what is your background? Your phone? What is that? What's all that? This? This little ghosts? This is an artist unigaba. He just dug these illustrations of people with their phones. Isn't that cute? I want that? That's really cute. Oh. Bow And told me the other day to go to

the store and get Sunday Cologne by Barretto. And I marched right up to the saleswoman and I said I'd like Sunday Cologne by Barretto and she was like, oh yep, And everyone in the store looked for it. It was nowhere to be found. They told me it was discontinued. Just kidding, No, it's not. You can buy it online. But I don't know what was going on in that store that day, But where did you smell? But you said that he had smelled it at first, Well, they

had a display out on the table. I was, and then and then then then it was not in the entire store. And then someone who quote unquote really knew fragrances, it was discontinued. And then I was like, no, that's a lie. Yeah, well I knew. I kind of knew it was. And I was like, I don't think these women know what they're doing, and so I won't say where it was. I went online and it was like, yeah, very much on sale. So anyway, I just bought mine like two weeks go. It's so good. I'm one of

my favorites. Okay, here we go. All right, so here we go. This is Mount Rodgers. I don't think so, honey. As time starts now, I don't think so honey, anyone outside of Disneyland protesting that you need to go home and draw a picture, bitch. I don't think so honey, that you were out here on what is a Monday, it's a work day. At least pretend something's going on to be protesting. The Disneyland is not open during COVID. I don't think so honey, that any of you have

even been to another protest in your life. And if that's true protesting moby, I don't think so, honey. You can ride the matterhorn later, bitch. Also, you've probably done it upwards of thirty times. I don't think so, honey, of the even figure out. You could just fly to Orlando, you dumb bitch. If you want to go to Disney World so bad right now, it's better and risk death and death. I don't think so, honey, that you need this. This bat poorly on me, someone who said they're part

of your community and now must rescind my membership. I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. This is we've established this on the podcast before. You are not a Disney gay. I'm a universal faggot. But but you're not even like and that is the better one of the two to be to sort of identify, to align your identity with. Yeah, it means they're much cooler, but you're all but you're also but you're you're also not even that fanatical about it, nobody about the whole thing. Well,

I mean, I'll be honest with you. When people dragged Disney people, I kind of assume they're talking about someone like me those a few times a year to Disneyland, because I have an annual past just to have fun. Whatever I go, I get very high, I drink, I do rides. I think it's cute. I'm not going for to in a matching shirt and clothes. I can't believe the people with close And I also cannot believe that there is a breed of person who exists that is

protesting in Anaheim right now that it's not open. That is a very six disease. And if you like Eminem or one of these people, I am willing to pay a scholarship. I'll say again, I want a scholarship at high school where I went to school, which is six hundred dollars to the student who seems like they might protest that disney Land during COVID. Help that child, help him,

help him, he's there's a good in him. If that child that I slip high school has expressed an interest in solidarity, has expressed solidarity with the protest, you give him this money, please. I'm sending it. I'm sending the money. I'm sending the money because that kid needs helping. Me very sick and it's not funny. These kids shouldn't be going down to the world. They should be getting rehabilitated that when we it's it's up to us to get

them helped. There's people protest u thing outside Disneyland saying saying start the magic. I mean, it's really it's dark. It's like reignite the magic. It's like we are wallowing in the swamp of humanity. I'm telling you some Drew tingerbell sprinkling pixie dust and being like you like you can fly, you can fly. Let me tell you something. There is a part of me who that does want to fly to Orlando, but I know that it can wait.

I know it can wait. This is okay, So can you give us any more background on what's happening, Like when did they start? Not the first day of the protests. I just know that I saw on Twitter and this also bothered me because people were tagging me in it, and I'm like, no, no, no, it's important that you know. I would never in my life be protesting outside the park.

So it's so funny to me that they're dressed as if they might come and be like, you guys are right, it's time and just let them in like little gay fish so that they can go on the mad tea party. Hon darling, think about what you are protesting, which is too I just couldn't believe it go against a public health protocol one to want the invisible hand and forces of the free market to work in full swing again so that you can pay your dollars to this like

capitalist class monstrosity of a company. We love Disney, but that's what they are. Yeah, and I we don't even love Disney. We love Disney as much as human being can love a corporation, as as as much as someone people who have developed class consciousness can love a corporation. Okay, so these people are just lost wayward souls, lost and confused souls. And draw a picture, Draw a picture, do a puzzle, you know, like oh my god, I hide and go seek with a few of your friends in

your pod. There's ways to revisit your inner child. There is there is there is there or grow up or or I just I couldn't fathom the protesting. And I was like, I do you agree with me? They haven't been They did not protest the first protest. If they if they joined in protests with actual oppressed people at any point in their lives, they would know that this is not there. There is no transference in in in this,

in this way, or whatever the term is. Like, there's no analog to Disney Disney not being opened being the same kind of oppression as something systemic. That's wait, I need to look this up. Disneyland protests. You should look it up. You should definitely watch it, and maybe I will to the guards to open the gates. That you tell the guards to open up the gates. Oh my god. No, wait, I'm pulling it up to it's no, like, this is terrible. Okay, yeah,

I'm I'm seeing it. No, bring back the magic. Oh my god, not on the fucking Let's read some of these signs. Wait, we got to read some of these signs. Um, okay, let me in, let me in. Oh my god, that's not even a joke. It's just let me in, let me in. No, not all these are gonna be They're not all going to be clever. You're right. I don't know why I assume they would be a good satire.

Oh my god, you know these people? Oh my god. Okay, I guess I've run out of photos but this is this is just beyond Yeah, it's really crazy anyway, Okay, that was a beautiful I don't think so, honey. No, but this, I think this is very important. I just could. I had to speak out. As someone who's public about being part of the community. I felt like it was my it was my duty to come out and say I do not endorse this, and I think it's wrong.

And even though you are sort of trying to distance yourself from the community, I would imagine that a majority of the community would not support what these people are doing. No, I think they agree with me, even though I would say that the radicals in the party would consider me really amit Romney type. I guess at this point as a centrist, I'm sort of defecting from them and saying

I do not condone morally, what is happening. Sorry to talk about her and no, no, no, when and when we say like the T shirt wearing like the blah blah wearing people like and that's not meant to be pejorative, that's just that's a type of Disney gay that Matt and I are not right. We we love it. But and I should also say I'm going to take back the Romney thing, because I just remembered our guest next week is Ann Romney. So Romney's coming on Last Cultures

and that'll be really fun, a good time. We should have we should have Megan mccainnon. What if what if we had her on and we both were like, I love her? Actually just kidding me what I would want to make him the engineer Doug just said, Yes, the most excited he's gotten all episode is that the suggestion of Megan McCain being a guest. I want to I want to make a bet to the audience and to the public that we invite Megan mccainnon and if if we if she and this is a challenge to her,

like she would know this coming in. If she's able to charm us and whatever, if she's abled us to get us to say, oh, you know, you know what, we actually really liked her, um, then you and I have to kill ourselves. I think that I think that should be. That feels like I don't know where you were going with Does that? Does that make sense? Thoughts? Ready? If she if she charms us, but if she comes

out it's charmless. We get to continue to live yes, but then then and she gets and then and then she gets um bragging right, she gets and she gets the podcast well she gets to then then then it becomes last called Creationist with Megan mccannan Abby Huntsman who I have been saying that Megan is the boeen and I'm I've been I've been saying that you are you are? You are? My dad? Is my dad always like my father my father's Yeah, Well, because says my father, my

father just as much, you're always my father my father coached. No, I saw you something. You are Megan, you are? You are here and you want to well, I am the one that loves housewives. No, here's how you're Megan. You've been on watching What Happens Shut the funk Out. She's an iconic guest of that show, a little bit too frequent if you ask me, um, yeah, um, well, I would say. Here's the thing. The invitation is out to Megan McCain to be on the show. We will keep

you guys updated. This is our official invite to her to be on the show. And I actually think if everyone came with an open mind and was cool, we might be able to have a nice time but I doubt that that would be the case ever. Well that I mean, I'm happy she's invited. Yeah, I'm happy she's invited to you know what, I'm gonna watch tonight? What the Bachelor at? Oh? Good luck? I mean I just don't. I never have the time for for the Bachelor brag. No, I'm just saying, wait, can we what? Can we set

up the fact that Adele is going to be on SNL? Yes? Very exciting, very exciting. Yes, it's gonna be fun. I think I think it's time, right? Is this time for your So? I have no idea what I'm gonna do. I really don't Well, oh god, what no? What we just got it? We just got an email anyway? What wait we just gottama, we just got an email. Oh my god, I'm okay wait wait wait this is Bowen Yanks. I don't think so, honey. And as time starts now, I don't think so, honey. Earnest as emails. Okay, call

me up for coffee. Even in the pandemic. I'd rather get coffee with you than have to field some crazy ask from I can't do it. I can't do it anymore. I just I'm mentally, I'm not there to to sort of offer myself because there is some what is what is that process? Right? I feel like I have to like give myself over to read something that's like more than two paragraphs in an email, and I feel like I don't know that I can allocate that psychic energy

to that part of my life anymore. I think we need to figure out a new solution for when you have like a serious like media ask to first towards someone. It can no longer be in emails. I'm so sorry, find another way. And that's one minute. Okay, So here's a question for you. One. What's worse and having to read an email that is very long and earnest or someone in person kind of forcing a personal moment with you in person is always terrible. I'm just saying it

can't be in person, and it can't be emails. It has to be it has to be. No, I don't even know, I'm just do you remember this is the second part of my question. Do you remember the thing I wrote for paper Lett, which was I think about it all the time and it's that's another incredible sketch. Um. It's called show email. It was just it literally, it was just so, can you can we pull it up? Oh? My god, I guess we could, and then we could actually play the song. The song was the whole part

of it. The song was Wow, I can't believe this is happening. Oh, I have show email. I have shown you do send it to me? Okay? So okay? And the song is can you guess? Do you to move by switch? It's day to move by switch? For um? Are you sending I feel it's only right that I perform it? Yeah? I mean it's you wrote it for the entire cast, but you you should read the whole thing. Okay. Wait did I get it? Okay? Yes, got it? Okay, okay,

Ready are you playing the song? You hear that? Yeah? Hey, everybody, I hope this email finds you out. I just want to tell you that I have some exciting new projects coming round. On Tuesday, October seven, I'm beginning rehearsals for a show at BAM adjacent a theater adjacent to BAM that promises to be one of the biggest artistic challenges of my life. It's a punk rock cabaret that tells the story of Macbeth using actors, sets, and a director. Please come if you can. I'm really excited about it.

On Friday, October four, I will be telling stories at a storytelling show for storytellers in a park. I will be telling a story about the first time I masturbated at age three. I'm really excited about it. I'm also going to be releasing a comedy video in late November with some collaboratives from my comedy troupe. Asked Dick. That's Asked Dick, A S S D, I c K. Keep

your eyes open for that. I'm really excited about it. Finally, I'm excited to announce that I'll be having a party for the debut of my Facebook status about my kickstarter for the new web series I'm developing with my roommate about roommates were making a web series, but I can't decide on how to promote their kickstarter. I'm really, really, really excited about it. I can't wait to see you at all these adventures. Yours in love and Light and

it's everyone's name in the group. I think it holds up, but like, look, this is from It's fine. It's very funny, but and the present that the way we presented it, that show is very like like the most bloated like theater troupe in the world. Wait, but what year was this this is from? Um wow, yeah six years ago. I probably wrote it seven years ago. So just so you know, these kind of pervasive emails about what people have going on have been have been going on, have

been going on, you know, for far too long. As when I'm saying, I just love when someone writes a very long email that's about h that's about like nothing, nothing, and they expect you to read every word of it. They just shouldn't be that long. That's all. That's that's all just like or or linked to a longer thing, you know what I mean. I just it's it's it's funny to get the emails anyway. Yeah anyway, Um, okay, so that was my I don't think so, honey. I

feel like we had a really good discussion out of that. Yeah, we really did. Really, it's just been were really are sort of experimenting with this episode. I really enjoyed it. Well, you know, it doesn't have to be over. I know it doesn't have to be over. I don't know why I'm I I don't I don't mean to no, no, no, no, no, no, breaks No, I'm not saying that you were. Can we not fight? When can we not find? I'm sorry? When's the last time we fought? Fought? Wasn't you know what?

I remember? The last time you get irritated with me? Do you remember? I remember a big blowout fight between me, you and Sudy was in Palm Springs. That was definitely one really big fight. It was a big one. And what was the theory? What was the visas of that? Oh, never mind, they don't need to know. But that's that we all like treat each other poorly, That's all. It's that it was. It was in relation to how we were treating each other. Yes, um, but wait what was?

And then I remember you you consistently get annoyed with me in hotels because I'm the one that comes down last. That's our most consistent. Yeah, but you were about to like reference a fight recently that we've had that I don't think I remember. No, no, no, no, no, that I don't remember us have I don't think it's I think it's been a really long time since we've had an argument, or maybe we've just gotten we've just both

gotten better out avoiding them. I know. Here's what I want to ask, because it's it's just so buried under so much stuff now, even though it wasn't that long ago, but was. But on the subject of traveling, was I good to travel with? Um? You were good to travel with I think that I don't have any negative memory rais traveling with you. I I would say that there was that one moment where we were all traveling together and you were gonna get sick on the plane, and

that was not good. Never forget, I will never what you were in the room. I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I was wrong. I was wrong. I was not being I was not being supportive and tolerant. But one was getting very sick on a plane to Chicago, and we were I don't know why we were circling in the air above the airport. I think I think there's some some some like tarmac issue. But we had descended and then

we immediately sort of turn our noses up. The plane sort of turned up again and started circling Chicago and tight turns, tight little circles, and I was getting air sick. Um. And then Matt sort of turned to me and said, well, I said, stopped. She was like, what would you say? I said, please stop doing that. You did say it like that, you were like so I was like, I I believed at the time that I could have been No, I don't do that. I don't know, you really don't.

But I didn't know if you were in a mood or whatever. And also I'll tell you where it was coming from. It was coming from a real, real, real thing. Know that was if you were going to throw up. I was going to throw up and that would have been really bad. And because like I am not good with that, Like you know, I don't love like any

type of gore. And so when you were gonna vomit and you were being so performative about it, I kind of just felt like, Oh, he should just do it or not like this whole like hemming and hang about whether or not the will they are won't they him? And the barf bag? I can't. They should just consummate this relationship at once. And I remember that we or don't we fought at David Siduraw's apartment. Didn't hear that? Because you and I were sleeping at David Sorrow's apartment.

We were you were sleeping on the floor, I was sleeping on the couch because we were there for the Chicago Sketch Fest. Yeah. I don't remember fighting though. No, we we like had like a continuation of that of the final No really in Dave's living room. I think David just kind of like stood by and watched us, and it was kind of sad. I felt bad. We love you well, we love you. I I don't think it was that big of a deal. I mean, look at us now, but wait, yeah, yeah, no, we we've

been pretty good. I but I just I have such fond memories of us, of us touring I loved. I mean, I guess the one thing is, do you wish, especially now going in retrospect, do you wish that when we were in all those cities, like we we could have gone out more? Because I feel like but we didn't

have a chance to for a lot of the cities. No, because you and I both do like our sleep and the we for some reason we're booking that well, we had to for scheduling when we were touring, book the fights so early that there was no chance to go out, Like I remember, we didn't go out and like um San Francisco, Yeah, we didn't go out in San Francisco. We didn't go out and like, well, we did go out in Austin. We actually raged in Austin withdrawal. We did.

We didn't, but we like didn't go out in Seattle. That was such a bummer. Didn't really go out in Portland and that was so fun. Well, we sort of went out in Portland, and I wish we had been out longer because oh my god, that was that That night was kuko bananas because that there's a guy in Portland that I like, it was hot. Do you remember. I remember, I remember, and I remember we were leaving and I was like, do you think that that guy

was interested? And you were like he was touching, like he was so indoo yeah, and I remember I was like no, because that is that is such a thing. Sometimes I just I just don't know when someone is don't do dare it's going to be like you didn't know the words to enchanted. We should at least do a hook. And it was an enchanted night. Oh my god. He some nights. I have some nights I just kicked myself, you know, oh, don't do that. They'll come back. Yeah.

But the thing about those miss connections is hell of a masturbation, SESSI later, I know, isn't so fun. You just have you have so much, there's so much potential there to think about. God, you know, it probably was so thrilling. Masturbating is like a Chase Victorian woman who like never knew of such tawdry things. And then when they got like and they probably were so pent up that when they finally flicked their bean, that was probably

like a fucking horror film in the best way. But I think I feel like you need to see it. Probably all that the way your eyes rolled back, because I was I was picturing myself flicking my being this like sort of like a you know, like Chase Victorian one. I guess it is really into. I mean now it's like I've I've I've seen so much and poor that I'm just like, yeah, I've seen it all. I've seen it all. It feels so by the numbers, not by the numbers, but it's like I just do it and

it's done. Do you have a favorite star these days? Um? I do? Yeah? Who is it? I are you shy to say? I guess so? No, say it's his job. I I love I love me, do you know cadematics? Yes, of course. I feel like he's like he's like, this is him peaking, like this is like the prime of his career. He's doing he's doing wonderful things about For me, it's well, I pay for it. Oh, it's some only fans people too, some great only fans folks. Are some great only fans folks out there, but I actually pay

for gay hoopla. There's this guy Dustin Hazel who is very much it. And there's this other guy Mason, and also this guy Jaden Marcos and also um, oh my god, you are just oh my god, this guy, oh my gosh. Yeah, there's just a lot of good stuff happening on there. There's I'm sure, I'm sure he might actually appreciate this. But there's there's an only fans sort of like cult star right now, Bolyn his name is, his name is Considerate Top. He doesn't show his face. Considerate Top sort

of like damage Bottom. There you go, he's Considerate Top. He doesn't do his face. He's Asian, gorgeous, where's a jade pendant? And all of his videos and he I think he's like finding some success and only fans and he's and and I have and lovely in real life. But in real life, I mean like just like he's

he's a swifty. So when folklore came out, Wait, how do you know he's a swifty because I didn't know about his only fans until folklore came out and he deemed me and was just like, oh my god, like this is so exciting, and it was like and then like his picture is just like this like in Insane Torso, so I was just like, who's this person? And then stumbled on the only fans and then it was just like, oh, this is what a gorgeous portal into this world? And

how did you find that he was a swift? Because he deemed me when folklore came out, and like it was just like, isn't this so exciting? I might have to cough up the dollars for that one. Oh he's reasonable. I think he's like a like a seven and also a Swiss it sport. He's one of my tailor nation Taylor, you know, have you been have you been keeping up

with folklore at all? The transition from porn to folklore, the way we transitioned from the way we did that one I was talking to someone the other day, but how um, it's a lovely album. But you know, I I tweeted from the LC account today because I saw the way you've been doing that the way that I'm going to say it. And this is actually not an opinion I held before until you and I hung out in l A a a few months ago and we just put it on and we didn't skip. But the way

Reputation might be the best Tay Law album. Thank you for saying that, because so many people out here are racing Reputation. Because I even think back half it, just the last four songs, I'm like, who cares, You're you're speaking general truth right now. I think if you were to actually look at the last four songs on nine, you'd take that back a little bit. But I think the sentiment is not incorrect that reputation is a more

complete artistic output. This is what I was telling you that night that we listened to it, though, I was like, you know, what's special about this album is that there is an actual like like red, It's like okay about like the moods of the way that like you know, love is sort of synesthetic. Um, and I guess speak now is about like fantasy settings, like you speak up at a wedding or your you meet a prints at the ball whatever. Um, Fearless is just sort of like

clean crisp country, but there's no like messaging. It was really I think she was she was fearless in the way that she was saying how she really feels. You know. That's like very very basic, very basic. Lover is like a little too general, but it's her sort of being more like revisiting her like warm thur or whatever. And then folklore is just about like solitude or or generally speaking something like that. I believe it's actually more of a concept album than then people are giving a credit for.

I think it's I think it's it's really to make contemporary myth happen. And I think it, Okay, see that's perfect. That's perfect, And this might actually be over valued over what I think reputation is about, which is holding onto like your own self convictions when there's a ship storm happening outside of you. That's about. Yeah. Reputation I think is about like aggressively trying to fight for and uphold

your narrative personal and public. And I think it is like it's it's and it also sounds like that, you know what I mean, like matches the message. Yeah, and it it manages to work on so many levels. And I think is is so much more than what people give it credit for, because I think people just think, oh, that's her album where she got a little bit like, um, you know, darker and hip hop and or used hip hop and got more like um bitch thinksty But I don't look at it like that. I actually look at

it like just as valid as red or folklore. I just think that, honestly, I do think it might have something to do with the fact that she is like, um, like, she really did grab headlines there for a second, and even in not attempting to, she was she was just playing with the media too much for it to get that real critical. It did not get the critical flowers. It was too It was too incorporated and ingratiated with the idea of her fame. Which I think makes people

who give music accolades uncomfortable. Is that she's like so such a capital P pop star. Um but when she like it makes her quote unquote musician the albums they love her, and I just think it's kind of bullshit. That reputation is not thought of in that same way because it is just as good. Blank Space is her most self aware song, but like the reputation is her most self aware sort of statement as an artist. I think I don't know that's that's that's how I feel.

And Folk Clear You're Right is more like is more sort of American mythical like with reputation. At least she feel like a Popper's album, you know what I mean. It's such a great Popper's album. She gave you like a Popper's album in a way that like, you know, we'll see if Adel does We'll see, We'll see, We'll see, we'll see if we'll see if I'm curious to see if this our album next week is going to be a Popper's album. Sleepy. I heard that it is a very good but good in what way because it's like

thank you next and and um Sweetener. I think like there was an after sort of effect where we all sort of with distance, where like, oh, those are actually great albums. I could never say, I could never say how I know this, but I know that camp Arianna is very happy about it, okay, okay, and that and that the video is going to be something else. Basically, what I'm asking is it box or is it like sleepy? Great? Love it? That's that's all I care about. But also,

but I'm sure it's balanced. I'm sure it's like balanced out. You might have to think about the way you you ink of Bob's Also, I don't know much. All I know is that apparently it's really fucking good and the video is going to be cool. That's really all I know. Um, which is I think? Good news? Great? I love it? I love it? Okay, maybe we end on Ariana? Is that weird? Is she really the musician that's dominated this episode?

I want you to I knew you'd ask women. Listen to your heart, and in your heart you will find the answer to the question of who is the musician that has dominated this episode? And only in your heart with that answer A live it is it? Taylor in the middle of night? Madies you? Oh my god, I'm going to listen to that, Alum. I put it on today and I was like, this is a really good album. What song are you going to pop? The poppers too?

On that album? I know? Mine? Dancing with her hands, Ted Dancing with her hands, Ted I'm gonna do it too. I'm gonna do it to dress and absolutely back in the bedroom. Come on, think about it. That's really good. That's really good. Just kidding. I'm going to do it to the song this love good, I have nice I could, I can do it that I can do with that that track when she goes if you're on poppers, When she goes, oh my god, your butt hole falls off and walks away, she says, I'm going on a vacation.

That's my impression of your bottle. She says, I'm going on a vacation. We got to end another grounded impression, another well lived in impression. Well, it's been among the more chaotic episodes of Las Colturesta's and it didn't even need a guest. Isn't it funny that we literally were like it's an academic episode last week and now this week is like super Lupa, Well, do a leap. I'm more like super Lupa do a leap, and more like Sue Lupa. I feel like you know, the reaction from

last week's episode was mixed. We love the people who enjoyed our book club and who are reading along with us, but some people really got pretty brazen in the comments, and we're like, hey, um, this one was a snooze, Like, do not like kill that instinct? Honestly, if you have the instinct to like this, and this only applies to me and Matt, I'm gonna say it. If you want to say something stupid, no, no, don't even say it to us. I don't want I don't want to see it.

And this and you can say it to someone else, but this only applies to me and Mett. We are the sort of moral exceptions to this, not more but sort of whatever. Remember what we said, Remember what we said this episode. If you step up, throw hand, see me with them dukes. If anyone ever this is our second episode in a If anyone ever comes for Bowen Yang, you better have done a lot of karate in your life, because I'm coming on, I'm coming. You better know how

to defend yourself. If anyone comes for Matt Rogers, it would take such a little effort for me to ruin your life. And I'm not even saying physically, I will spiritually, spiritually, cellularly, security wise, will make you feel unsafe about your circumstances in life, and that's all I'll say. That's all I'll say. If you listening right now at home, ever come for Bowen Yang, I will send the curses of all the witches of my family. And my family is very cursed.

My family comes from a long line of curses, charms and spells, and I have no qualms as to well, just say about summoning the powers of my people, the Rogers, which is you've never known. If anyone listening comes from my friend Matt Rogers, I will set fire to the rain, to the rain, what's wow? That song kind of sounds like a spell. Oh, if you do it like a witch, we gotta stop.