"Matt & Bow's Serotonin Deficit Spectacular"

you know what reconnected you did. You did call me, you did FaceTime me because you wanted to find out about how my Memorial Day weekend was. I felt like you were also on your own journey with your own people. I did not want to interrupt that, and you knew the same of me, and I think we were just I think this is a healthy boundary. It's kind of wasn't even about boundaries. It was just us like kind

of sensing each other. But if if you feel like I neglected the friendship in any way, and he did not, no, no, no, I was just being um. I can't believe the word is needy. Um. And I was also funny that you say, like it's funny that you were just like you were just like, No, I think it's good you were with your people. I was with my people because I was about to say I don't think we should ever vacations separately again, So that's interesting. I guess we're just in

three different places. Do you believe this? You feel this way? I was, I literally, well, can I talk about Gramatic vacation? Can you want to tell the readers about it? I would like to tell the readers all about it, and then I also want to hear about yours, because I haven't heard the details of yours yet either. Yeah, I'm happy to share so as you can hear my voice and mine. We're both not vocally great, we're not vocally healthy. We're not ready to go take the stage at Carnegie

Hall and perform alongside the likes of Nicole Scherzinger just yet. Um. I don't know why I thought of her performing. She hasn't she I feel like she probably has. I'm sure she's she could sing, She's incredible. I'm sure she's incredible. Um. So yes, went to Palm Springs, and I guess suffice it to say, it's like, you know, it offered everything. It usually offers a lot of partying, a lot of

going out. And then I have to say, you know how famously Palm Springs when you go there, if you've ever been their readers, you know that if you rent a house, there's commonly signs up everywhere, and you get a warning from the people that you rent the house from, like, hey, no music outside you you know this, right, But I actually did not in that. But because of the typography of Palm Springs, it's just one flat expanse. So the

sound kind of I mean, your neighbors hear them. The sound travels in a very unfortunate way, right, and so so that that is the case, and so of course you understand why that's that's that's so, and you understand why these signs are posted, and you also get that it's like you get that, it's like, you know, it's very actually pretty residential. You know, a lot of people live there all year around. It's not just this this vacation destination for um people that wanted to send upon

it um on their weekends, you understand. So um had that being said, I have vacation there about six or seven times, and I've always played music out of reasonable volume outside. You never gotten in trouble, so I thought, Um, or at least everyone I was with, thought, oh, we can play music. So we are halfway through a lip sync competition. Um, I had just done my performance to the song Daisies by Katy Perry. Oh my god, my well do you did I tell you my concept? I

think you mentioned it, but it wasn't fully conceived. So what was the final instecution? Well, the message that I wanted to give everyone watching the performance was to never give up. And so, um, what I did was I started an important message. It's such an important message I felt, and I've actually was going first in the lips and composition. There were ten competitors and I was sort of setting the tone, and so I was like, I have to really drive my message home. So I um dressed up

as I came out as Amy Adams in Arrival. Oh yes, and I ran in the space in the space but where she's talking to the aliens. Yes, so she's in her orange sort of get up. So I got that, and um, I Daisies began and I you know how Amy Adams holds up a sign and it says like it says he it says her name or something and

she tries to communicate with the aliens. So I pulled up a sign that said oscar question mark, and then I threw the sign and I tore away the arrival looked to a non costume, and then I was Amy Adams in doubt, and I sang a little bit more of the song, and I held up the sign again, and I still didn't get the oscar, and I took off my nun habit and I had an enchanted dress. And then I took off the enchanted dress and I had this hot little number I bought off Amazon, and

I was American Hustle. And by the way, the nun habit, of course tore away to reveal my red Amy Adams hair. And then under the American Hustle dress, I had a tiny little tube top and little tiny shorts because I was Amy Adams in the fighter. This is this is how many costume or this was a five and one,

and then I picked up on the ground. I had these two big eyes and I held the big eyes up in front of my eyes, and I sang like the bridge to the song the worst She's going like yeah, yeah, yeah, you know that part of Daisy's I'm not familiar with the song. Okay, well, of course after this, everyone's gonna want to get familiar. It's going to go to the top of the charts after this. UM. And then finally I threw myself behind the audience UM and went in

the house and was looking out the window. So then I was finally the woman in the window. Oh my. And so basically the theme was Amy Adams would never stopped trying to win an oscar until they cover her in Daisies, Daisies, Daisies. Now I did well and I'm happy I got to do my performance because after about the sixth person competed, we get an aggressive knock on the door, not with a warning, but with a dismissal from the home. They said, who is at the door?

The host, the leasing person, I guess, and they were like, you have to leave in an hour, Like I'm gonna be back in an hour. Everyone has to leave. And the noise slash parking thing like that we had there. We had a lot of cars out front. I guess, I don't know. The rules were allegedly broken, and then it was not a thing where we could like discuss it. Everyone's like like Chris Likeri's dressed as a cat. Like we're all like in these like outfits. I'm like, okay,

well we gotta go. So we have to like get out of our outfits and then you sort of get all of our ship together to leave. We don't know where we're going. This is happening Saturday. We're supposed to be supposed to be there Saturday Sunday. We eventually like found rooms at the Ace Hotel, which actually was kind of great, and so it all worked out, but we did not get to finish the competition. We do not know who wins. I guess we'll just have to resume

it later. But the drama, the drama. You had a good time at the Ace, Oh my god, had a great time. And I feel like I feel like the Ace is always booked up in Palm Springs. Well, you know, I think maybe because of COVID it wasn't as booked up. But we got a nice room and like we went to the pool. The pool was great, great mix of people. You know, there were straits there, there were queers there. Sometimes you couldn't you didn't know what the hell was

going on. A guy in that and a guy in a straw hat that looked like a burning man type I'm gonna say, came up to me it, took off his sunglasses, got on my level in the water, and asked me you vibing And I was like, I suppose I am, sir. I hope that that is like I don't know if that is welcome it pride, much like kink. I don't think that energy is welcoming pride. And I'm glad you got you got that experience out of the

way before June hit. I mean yeah, basically like I was, like I said to him, I was like, you better float away because in just hours it's going to be June and you in this flat straw hat. I said. He had the big yeah Mark, Oh yeah he was. And he was the hottest man in the pool, hottest man in the pool. So you didn't you didn't fully dismiss it or hate it? No, No, I mean I was. He asked me if I was vibing, And there was a little part of me that's like, is this straight

guy flirting with me? Because that that's an experience I've never had, like to be hooking up with a straight guy. And I was very in a place to try new things this weekend too. I don't as sure that's wonderful. I don't think so, honey. So many of these people out here being like, I fucked my straight boss. It's like, are you lying? I don't believe you. I don't believe all queer people. I'm sorry. That's that's a real culture. That's a real culture. A number fifty bo yangyang does

not not believe all weirder people. And a message to that person who said she sucked her straight boss. My whole thing is, you want to suck a straight person, that's wonderful. Don't suck your boss. Don't you eat at all ever in any situation. Sorry, sorry, um Mia Pharaoh. Sorry, why did I go there? Oh my god? Well, honestly, had she not sucked, stop No, don't you're victim blaming queen. No, you don't know where I was about to go. I was gonna say, had she not sucked her boss, she

wouldn't have gotten divorced. That's what I was gonna say. That's the worst thing that happened to her. No, it's the only thing I'd bring into this conversation, all right, tell me. Oh, and by the way, I guess I do want to be honest with us about the readers I did have. I did have my first type of sexual varietal here, which was A three A three way. Is that what we're calling him sexual varietal varietal? Well, it's a variety of sexual activity. I guess. So yeah, Yeah,

I'm sorry. I just I just I kind of im I'm interested by that phrasing, not necessarily by the fact that it happened. No, I'm so no, We've been over this. I've I was so happy for you. And the first person I told when you told me it was Suity because I was on vacation with her, was like, oh my god, Matt just had his first threesome. She didn't do it. I past of her. She was like, oh my god. I think she was like genuinely happy. She was, Yeah,

she was very happy. I really liked being like the guest star m like, oh, like, um, you know Reese Weatherspoon on Friends. I'm sorry Friends the top of mine. Because the reunion happened, did you watch it? I we we watched our our our vacation house to watch the first hour, and then we as soon as Malala came on to talk about how much. She loved the routine episode. We were like, all right, we gotta tap out. Could I be more of a survivor could I be more

shot in the face by the Taliban. I wanted her to come out with the Rachel and be like and Jennifer U and Jennifer and would have grabbed, would have put her hands over her mouth in that way she does like, oh my god, oh my god. This impact of this show, the impact of this show. I have to say. We put it on. Lewis and I were watching it. We put it on, and we couldn't have been complaining about it more. We were like, this funk,

this funk this. We put it on and we sat the whole time and we're like, yeah, no, I didn't think it was on record of saying I don't think so, honey, the Friends Reunion. But tbh, I think it depends on like and I think this is true of a lot of viewing experiences. It depends on social proof, which is like, you are laughing if people around your laughing at something, or you're you are enjoying something, if people around you are enjoying something, or or the or the opposite is true.

But maybe that was the Friends reunion was maybe sort of a context dependent thing. Well, were you a friends persons? I wish I know this is the case? Is no and Slash? Were you with people? Because are the were the girls? Is I bet Heidi's a friends person? So here's the thing. Okay, so um you were Hidi and eight and Suti and selest ego, um and uh. It was a fun, fun group. But I will say I was not a friends person. I would catch it every

week or so when it was still on. Remember the finale being such a moment did not make the list already say it did not, And I don't know that we have to do another list. I don't think we

have to do another list to include that. But I Friends was always a little bit alienating to me because it was liked by all of I mean, it was liked by everybody, but is specifically passionately liked at the time by the mean white kids and drama club when I was a freshman, really, and it was like such a thing for them to fucking quote the ship out of it in a way that was like, oh, well, I know the Simpsons and Seinfeld and SNL, but they seem to they seemed to think that this Friends thing

is like the best thing that's ever been made. Um, And of course I feel very righteous right now in one being like a Simpson Seinfeld like fucking masturbating piece of ship whatever. Dear no, but I friends always rubbing you the wrong way, and like we know, we all know at this point like problematic show with with the weird little moments. Six stars appreciate this sort of new model of sitcom that it created, where it was like

an ensemble comedy love that was very emotional. Seeing Matthew Perry that was like that was like really tough, but like beautiful that he was there with everybody. Um. But otherwise I was like, otherwise, I was like, um put off by the reunion and I I think it was because me and Celest were there and we were shipping on it the whole time and we made everyone else feel bad about how homophobic and transphobic this show is. But then but then afterwards we stopped. And then afterwards

Tidy and texted the group. She was like, Okay, I'm actually finishing up the Friends arena and it's actually parts of it are really sweet. And then I think like other people might have secretly fran Gillespie loves Friends, and she was like maybe the most hurt or vulnerable about watching it because she loves Friends so much. Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. It's it's like anything else. It's like

it's like sex in the City. You could say that, you can say, but I think I think Friends was just so it represents just like populist, like mainstream like when they when they were talking about how many people watch the Oh my god, and that's when you realize, like that's why all those people are so so, so, so so famous, whereas it feels like now almost no

one is that famous. Like those people were huge, like Jennifer Aniston was, I mean still is obviously, but she's one of those last messages of like huge fucking TV star, crossover movie star, nineties mega star, general appeal, general audience loves four Quadrants loves Yeah. Yeah. And I will say, like it was fun to watch the interactions between them because it's like, and I've always been on record as being like, why are people so obsessed with seeing these

six human beings share a space. I'm just like, it's like they do it all the time, Like it feels like you constantly see them get together again. The show is always on. But I do think it's like, I think it reminds people of old friends. I think it genuinely makes people feel like they're catching up with old friends. Like it. It almost felt like a reunion for the audience members that love that show as well as them.

And like, I'll tell you, the only time it made me a little sad was when I felt like, Matthew Perry something was off. Do you know what the deal is there? I think he I think it was just he's just been through hell to Helena, He's just been He's just been to hell and back. Yeah, okay, Um, but oh you're right. That's interesting that people feel like they were see they felt like they were immersed in this sentiment sentimental thing of being like with old friends again.

I completely get that completely. Um, And I don't need to sound like contrarian and gross by being like friends. Uh, but I don't know, I just I kind of felt nothing watching them altogether. And and the only thing that he was compelled by was Lisa Kudrow just being like so charming and funny and like ever like perennially good, funny,

like captivating every single time she's on screen. I would say my favorite part of the show was always the girls anyway obviously, but like, yeah, so Lisa, and it was fun to see like Courtney and I love the Jen was crying almost the entire time. I do love Jen Aniston. I actually liked matt leblancan it more than I thought I would. He lays iconic and love I loved.

I loved them talking about casting him where it was like you needed some guy who was hot but dumb but funny, and he was able to play all three and I'm like, oh, yeah, like it's it's such a great I don't know, like he is like a very

singular talent and only he could have played Joey that way. Yeah, I mean, I think that what I walked away from thinking was wow, that was really like lightning and bottle chemistry, you know what I mean, because you watched the show and it is funny, Like the situations are like very much classic sitcom situations, Like they're well performed. They were good physical comedy, they were great physical comedians and just and just great, just all of them, all six of them,

great actors, great actors. Yeah, and you get and also it's kind of like, I mean, you get this is so Finnan speaking to you about this, but it's like live performance as television. Like it feels like that used to be a real skill you needed to have to like book a sitcom like Back in the Night and then the obviously seventies, eighties, nineties like that was you know that that form of sitcop was sitcom rather was kiding.

I guess we should just like you know, multi caam is what it's called, so we just say it um. But like watching them literally act out a play for an audience, I was like, that's like that would be a really cool thing to do. And now here you are. I'm here, I am trying to relate about that with you. Who does it ever? And here I am telling you every week that like I feel like I'm cursed. I

don't think we'll ever go back to multicam. Well yeah, I mean it's weird right like even now, it feels like everything is just there's just it's like it's like if it's a multiicam, it at least needs like a twist, Like did you see that show um that um Annie Murphy is doing. It's called Kevin can fuck himself. Is that like it's like a gritty, dark thing or well, what it is is half the show is a sitcom,

is a multicam and then the other half. So basically when the when the husband is there, it's the world of a multicam and Annie Murphy's playing the wife and when he leaves, it's single cam and it's from her perspective and it's like dark and it's about her life. Hey,

one Division, Queen Drew Roy. But basically it feels like everything in order to be multicam, if it doesn't exist down like CBS um, then it really it's it needs like a twist or something, or it's you know and like and like and like hence like one Division, even where it's like, oh, it's like a tribute to old sitcoms and the novelty that they were doing it live

was such a thing. It was such a thing. But then it's like, oh, but the twist is it's fucking m c U like the most high budget thing Hollywood has ever made, UM and so that and so it's just like that even further like makes it a novelty or you know what I mean, It makes it like a thing that's like, wasn't that a lovely bygone era of television? And now literally the only thing that's left in terms of live TV comedy or just live TV

scripted live TV is like SNL. It's so, I mean, I guess, I guess like these musicals, So how do you feel about Annie being the thing for NBC? Are they doing Annie? I guess we're just never getting Bye Bye Bertie. Then with Jayla, we're never getting by by Bertie. It's just never gonna happen. Yeah, true, like vapor where that's a video game term. Sorry, true, like it will be lost forever into the vapor. Goodbye to you as it were kids, good Bye bye to I really wanted

to see her do that part. Okay, Annie, of that's that's fabulous. Obviously we're going to get someone to come stomp the boards as fucking miss Hannigan. Oh who do you think would be? Amy Adams? Do you think? I don't know? No, I'm just I'm just throwing a name out there. And then she was top of mind because you were talking about her. But I mean a lot of people can play her, right, I mean, you know who I think it will end up being. I think China with wind up being missan ag and I think

she'll be fabulous. She'll be fabulous. Who's gonna be Warbucks? I think, like, um, Zachary Levi. Oh maybe he's too young, maybe a little too young, but you know, we can also do a young sexy Daddy Warbocks, a literal Zaddy Warbucks. You are Bucks. Um. Anyway, I just wanted to throw that out there. We have so much to catch up, we really do have. This is a true this is a true culture catch up. We haven't had one in a while. We did both hit our weed. You know,

interest implements anything. I want to ask you one question though, can explain in a little bit more about your vacation. I told you a little bit, mom, and I just want to do a little bit more about yours and what the dynamics were, etcetera. And also I have another question after that. Go okay, I had I had a

bifurcated vacation week. So Sunday, at noon after the SNL finale, I went to Fire Island, um and stay in the house there with some friends, so chill and tame, and the weather was kind of not great, so we just kind of stayed. I heard New York cut some ship. Yeah New York had bad, bad weather, but um mostly just stayed indoors and like played like jack box games and read a little. Yeah. Um oh but I don't think so, honey, my EGGSZMA really fucking my ass up. Okay,

I have stuff for you. No, I don't know. I bought my stuff. I have a lot of colloidal oat meal. Well I'm just saying this. This it's called first aid ultra repair, like beauty cream. It's like a miracle stuff. And my dermatologist literally said, this is what you need because I have exema on my Yeah. Well it's it's

it's it's allergies being crazy this year. I had none last year and now it's it's it's it's I have been sneezing a lot more and I've had like this, like I've had this like productive allergg cough for like a week now. But I've gotten tested for COVID. It's

not COVID. I swear to g it's not COVID. But anyway, um so did that until Wednesday, and then Wednesday through Saturday went to um the Hampton's with work friends and it was that looks so nice, like I love like, I love like a like a mainland long island out east vibe with sweatshirts, with sweatshirts. It was, it was fun. It was fun and um pulled my first I I'm okay to admit this to the readers, but it was.

It was through a lot of so we we wanted to plan stuff for the group and Fran Gillespie found this vineyard or a friend recommended this in your to Fran Gillespie. Wolfer Estates shout out to Wolf for Estates. But she kept calling on Thursday trying to book something Friday, and they were like, they were like, we I'm sure everyone knows what this is. All all the readers know what this is. But they were like, We're so sorry. Everything's booked up. It's a Memorial Day is very busy.

We we have nothing open. We have nothing open. And then Fran was like okay, and then it was it was not my idea, but it had been put out there. That's that one of the famous is should sort of call, should call. And then we were like, well, let's wait for eighty to get here on Friday, so that she being probably Queen Famous well, she I don't want to blow up her spot. But eighties, like I have an assistant, famous do you do? You understand what I'm saying? The

rest of us are not. And so we were like, let's have eighties assistant to take care of it, because you know, it's kind of what they do. This is, this is and butter and then and then we were just like, no, let's not, let's do And then Friday morning you woke up, and then Frand just kept bringing bringing up the fact that like, we should really go to this vineyard. We should really go to this vineyard? Should we what should we do? And then I was like,

I am willing to really take a risk here. It's it felt very vulnerable and it is not I do not feel cool doing it, I should say. And it felt it felt cringe e and stupid and like, why, oh my god, I am I gonna do this? Really it's kind of for me. It would just be like getting on the phone and saying the words like what do what was wolf for? Estates? But I okay, if I should say that I did rehearse this to the group in the kitchen, and I have video of it.

I have video of it. That I can maybe even play, Um, I can play. I'm gonna I'm gonna play the rehearsal video, but the rehearsal of Bowen Yang going to call the Wolf for Estates Vineyard and say, is it possible that we could get a table? It's the cast of SNL. Yes, So wait, maybe I don't have it. Let's see, all right, I've got some I'm staying in the area with some SNL I would would love to come by today if there's room for a tasting. What do I see? What I say? Oh my god? So there was a room

for a tasting. No, so what it ended up being? And I was I was groggy, and I was eating a bag I had a mouthful of bagel. So what what? Okay, so do you want to So basically the operative word was the operative term was SNL. Folks like, okay, great, all right, Wolf for a State's Vineyard. This is Melissa speaking him Melissa, Um, this is Bowen Yang and I am staying in the area with some SNL folks, and

I'm sure everything's very booked up. But we were just wondering if there was room for a table of eight at the tasting room today. Um uh um he can I check with my supervisor. Of course, this is exactly what happened. She was like, can I put you on hold? Um? So it's bo he says, bow and yang, he says, snl, folks. I don't know. I can ask if she's here? Wait, what is that? That's the blonde Okay, I mean maybe she.

I mean she probably would have been the one to call, right, because this is because still I think he's I know, I've seen that. I've seen that the Titanic thing. Yeah, yeah, I mean that's the who it is. I don't know if she's here. If she's here, why is the dishwasher running? Guys in our in our house? Turn that off? What do I get back on there? And said, is Kate

McKay in with you? Like, I'm not gonna okay? You were You weren't even put on hold yesterday, fan, right, I think we can probably just if we put them in the back pattio not not the no, not the back pattio. If we make that okay, So if they say we can't, if they say there's room, do we still show audio? Do we still show up? Or is that too embarrassing that no one else is called. It's no one else's. It's a twenty seven minute drive. Okay, okay, it's right, bowen hi, I think we can make that happen.

How many people are your party? Eight? Eight? Okay? So U is anyone else going to be joining me? Um? Oh, are you asking for names specifically? I know. I wasn't goin to asking for names. It's just that, um if we if it's eight people, we have a setup for that. But if it's nine, we're not able to put an extra chair on the side of the table. I wasn't asking for extra names, and I'm not interested. I'm so sorry.

I didn't mean to imply that you were. I did see on the website that the seating cap for each reservation is eight people, so I I will respect that no one else will be joining. But thank you for asking. Okay, thank you very helpful. And I did I did know. I did know the seating cap in my own restaurant. Thank you. Um uh not to uh not to us sink your boat? Right? Um yeah, I saw that one O.

Thank you. I'm just gonna it was Kate McKinnon with you. No, but we who eighty Bryant Shrill Okay, we can do we can make She was on Girls, she was in the Oh yes, of course she was in she was in the Shoshana story. Of course she was the boss. H yeah, like the work superior, right her from just that. Yeah, yeah, Um, you guys can definitely come in and um we have a really nice area outside. Um, and that would be

really fun. Thank you so much for your helping list. Well, I won't be here, but Kelly will, and so you can actually ask Kelly. She's she's going to be the hostess that's here, that gets in here at six. So there's one host of ship from one to five, and there's one from six to ten. Okay, so I'm seventeen, talk two guys later. That is actually not that far from what it actually was. I love when we do theater. And you were really God, you're such a real performer.

One of the best performers lived in lived in not probably not at the point where I could call for a table ever. But so when when here's the thing were they did they immediately know like, oh of course, yeah, of course they know. So this girl, this girl was like, let me put you on hold because because and this

happens all the time in their world. This is the reason why we I would not do this anywhere else except in the Hampton's and so and by the way, we were staying like a very small, stuffy, charming, beautiful house and him against it. It was not like a rowney situation, like everyone's got their own room. It was just like we were all like it was the type of place where people call and they do this exactly. It wasn't. It wasn't the Cleveland Chilis. It wasn't the

Cleveland Chilies. And so I was like, yes, please put us on hold. And then after about thirty seconds, she was like, we should be able to do that. Three thirty And at that point I see fran out of the corner of my eye, cheering silently because like this is what she was trying to do. But but then France for the rest of the day could not stop talking about how she was so quickly dismissed and brushed aside, and like that this this was the thing. And then

and then we got there. We got there and they were very overtaxed, and you could tell because I like it was like, oh, we shouldn't have come here. We've been no, no, no, no, no, no, no no. It was wonderful because if they were over taxed, because they probably had, like Frank kept saying, like they probably had to buy a new oak table for us, and so

like any time like we would fit. The second we finished, like a plate of tops or whatever server comes by, scoops it away from us, not a beat missed, like they need that extra plate for another table. So it was like they were stretched thin and we really appreciate them, and they were very nice. They treated us very well, and a lovely experience. Lovely experience. I love that you had that. I want to go to a vineyard so badly.

I've never been. I've never I've never been to a vineyard in that capacity, neither of I. This is this, and and there's so many nice ones in California. But I want what I'd like to go. I would love to go. We should go. We should go, We should go. You and I should go. You know what I got really excited about. What are a live performance opportunity. We don't mean, we can't we can't reveal to tails. I

don't know that can reveal details. But we are going to be We're doing a show and it's happening in August, and we just can't say what it is or where. We can't say what it is or where it is. It will be outside, which we love, which we love, in a very fun place. But that's all. We'll say. That's all interesting location. Wait, this is another thing that that happened in Palm Springs. I'll say this. The bars are just they're they're packed. It's packed. It's cuckoo, I'm

telling you. Like, it felt like, wow, this is the first time I was like, oh, it's it's if it's not over. It's like, you can't tell these people it's not over. You're not telling them to rein it in and it felt incredible. I did go to an event or two when I returned to New York where it was you got to have the EXCELS your pass or proof of or electronic proof of vaccination or cial proof of vaccination in order to get inside, which I actually am like great, like that is like that is like

compliant with like the science and the guidelines. And I was like, but there there were moments I was with Josh Sharp and we were like, Okay, this feels this feels like it's normal. But in a way that is overwhelming and disorienting. And then we went to thy Sunderland's birthday and it was eighties themed and the music was eighties and it was amazing. And then there were moments were like him and I were just like, oh my god,

what time period. This sounds so silly, but we were both like, I truly do feel transported, and it feels like it's pre COVID in a real way, with like the music and all that. Like I forgot that. It was in a way that was both scary and satisfying. It was so crazy. We were walking into one of the establishments and Palm Springs and I was just like, it's I immediately flashed back to the last time I

was there, and it didn't feel any different. Yet we all had had the experience of not being able to do that, so it did feel I will say, cathartic in many ways, but also it just it also then was just like it was just odd because it was like, oh, it feels like a million years have passed, but also feels like this has just happened, and I just it is disorienting. It's so odd to go back to a place where it's just like yep, we and I wish

that everywhere I went. I wish I could say everywhere I went was like and we need to see that excelsior past, But that wasn't see that. That would give that would make me a little nervous. It doesn't give me the kb gbs though, because I'm vaccinated, and I'm one of those people that's like, I don't know how you feel now that I'm vaccinated. I'm out there. I'm going for it. I like and listen, I I don't know how many more studies we need to see that

are like, if you're vaccinated, you're extremely unlikely. The numbers in California and southern California are very loud. They're so far down there that it just it feels safe, and it almost it feels like at this point, like the venues that aren't open open, or the the areas where you have to sort of still do the I'll just say mask drag um in that sort of way. I'm just kind of like, really like is this helping at this point? Like I don't know in terms of capital

CE really capital PC pop culture. Um, let's just say that whenever oppressed these mini series sort of trots along whenever they roll out a new one with one of the ladies and the lead role, and it looks like it has the potential you always hope it will end like Mayra East Town ended. I was thoroughly entertained, touched, moved, felt um felt uh like, I like it provoked thoughts within me by this piece of work. I loved it.

I can't believe how much it managed to do much in the same The last time I felt this way, honestly not to be a bitch, was Watchman was thinking, how did they do all of that? It was so great and like a cab includes Mayor whatever. Jesus Christ, Oh my god, I but I we'll cut that out. Well, no we are not. But I mean I just, I literally I posted this thing that Aaron Jackson wrote on Instagram, and he was he was kind of like doing a bit on our It was like Mayor voted for Trump,

Mayor Mayor's Blue lives matter whatever. And this is why we can't just appreciate what Kate Winslet has done, because we're gonna make it about Mayor voted for Trump. I don't even think Mayor voted for Trump. I don't think vote for Trump because Chavon, because chavan having a gay daughter made her think, I'm not going to vote for that man. You know who voted for Trump, the guy who stops her in the convenience store. I think Lorie

voted for Trump because her husband voted for Trump. And I think Lorie is that kind of person who voted for Trump because her husband voted for And Katie's mom, I think Trump Katie's mom. Katie's felt left behind by the system. Well, like the fact like if if my daughter had been kidnapped, I would be full Q. I'd be like the pedophiles are out there, They're like, I would be full Q because it's that case. She was right, yeah, yeah, yeah, um.

But anyway, Mayor of Easttown, Fantastic TV transcended even the barrier to entry that would be, Oh, I'm going to watch a show about cops. It's not it's it's it's you. I forgot. I forgot that, which is making which is maybe the most It is a show about it's about it's a show about family, it's a show about generational trauma. And I will say this, it's also a show about the patriarchy. But not in a way that I felt they were like at the end, they were like men

did this to us? Like this was about like I feel like, you know, like Mayor and Lorie their relationship, like it's just so interesting because they both I mean, Kate Winslett was so incredible, Julianne Nicholson was unbelievable in

that last episode. They were so amazing together, and they really I think, um, we're able to capture a sort of energy and mentality that a lot of like these like women this age have and people this age have, which is like you get the sense that they're always tired because that's what they're truly working class like, and there's there's just this sense of satin And honestly, I did like it as like a not and you know we are actually it is still the Trump era, but

as a Trump era piece of work. I thought, I get us that this reminds me of a type of community that is so literally depressed. Like not to say that there that it's sad where they live, but there's just a lot of people, you know. There was like that scene where the Dylan's new girlfriend because she had gotten in trouble, was like, well, now I can't go to college, so I'm gonna go to the beauty shop.

And these people that have lived in these towns all their life and everyone knows each other and they're all up in each other's business. Like that scares me sometimes because I think when people's worlds are very small, um, they they resist um big ideas from outside the world. And so I think that's what But but I will say that I felt that this community of people was humanized by the fact that they love their family, Like you get a sense, a real sense in this show

about what's important to these people. Their relationships are very clear year and very specific, and I think that was a real strength of it being set in such a specific like you know, Philly Town, East Town, because um, it made it like it was like the Sopranos in that way, and that was like a literal family, Like I felt like every character had a real sense of personhood place like you really got where they were coming from.

And it did sort of you know, I didn't make heroes are like but I thought it like really flesh these people out of tragic figures in a way that I don't think often people in like communities like this get that on television, sure, or you never get a good sense of how these people know each other or relate to each other. I think the fact that it's Mayor and Laurie and and the other her other friends or her other people who she knows in the East town.

The fact that, for some reason I love and obsessed with the detail that they were all on the same basketball team in high school. Me too, I love that. I think that's so that's such a great smart way of like okay, like the relationships are like settled in and there's we don't have to really explain them, but we just you you just get to demonstrate in a couple of scenes like what this is, what this was?

You go to the reunion, you go to the thing where they come out, and you know, they give them the they hang the band or the award whatever it was in that pilot in the in the first episode, I'm like, great, Okay, then, like that answers so many quiet like you don't have. It doesn't feel like an introduction, and it feels like this is all um organic, I don't know. Yeah, well, this is what I liked about it.

This is like a more substinct way of saying what I was saying, it was it got really specific with what this town was, where it was, who these people were, even the accent work. And this is why I think it's so important that they got so specific with the accent work. And I think that was one of Kate Winslet's like number one things. So she was like, we're all going to do the accent because it's going to make the more characters, the characters more specific, and that's

going to make the whole show more specific. So basically it's like you really they really felt very real. And it when when when the source material and the writing is that specific, and you know what, you get that specific with the costuming, you allow the actors to get so specific and so nuanced. And this, I think across the board was some of the best ensemble acting I had seen a really long time, and it was and

it was a big cast. So that's why I say it reminded me of the Sopranos because it was like really good work from a lot of people, and and for that many people to feel clear and the relationship to feel clear is really tough. Obviously, Like Kate Winslett is the number one person on the call sheet and she like, lad this through all the way I think this is the best work of her career. But all the way down, this is really really really good work. Down to we gotta shout out. So see miss soci Bacon.

Oh my god, you guys, that's our friends, Socie is. We've known Socie for a long time, and she fucking crushed Socie Brava. That was phenomenal. And oh boy, did I pick the wrong fucking night to get Stone and watch Mayor there during that bathtub at this scene, Oh no, that was not the vibe I actually had. I had deposit I had deposited and walk away. I was like, this is too much. I was about to weep and

just wheeze from like shocked. I was like, no, no, no, I So at three, at this point we should say spoiler alert. So at this point we're gonna say we have not been spoiler not given anything. We've only talked about the quality. But another thing about the show is that is not one of the outcomes. I guessed, oh, you're you're talking about on the mystery level. Yes, well, but and yet it's still like the show itself build out the mystery in a very like time tested way.

It's like like it's all there. It's there, it's it's a Christie novel, it's literally but and yet it's also like a show about depressed community, about um family, about intergenerational trauma, about all these things, about the Patriot It's like, how do they do all that? Yeah, it was, it was, And I think it's because they got specific with the characters,

and especially with the lead character. We knew so much about her from the beginning, Like we knew that she had a like like a storied athletic past locally, we knew that she was divorced. She was like like like she was put on a pedestal as this hero of the town. And yes, yes, she's always chased that and and and that's also the fact of the matter, being that she was dealing with the suicide of her son.

And so just how much we and I think that's like really tough to do, Like you have to know that in order to get that much across like that quickly in the first episode, you have to be really good. So shout out to the writer and director of this And yeah, Craig Dobel, and I believe Brad Gillespie is the name of the Yes Brad Inglesby. So this was really good because think about how much we knew in that first episode, and that wasn't and it was a

compelling episode. And it wasn't even the murder, you know what I mean that it doesn't even happen and they don't find her until the second episode, and that was also compelling. And so I just but to be And I think one of the best episodes of television of the year is that fifth episode that ends in spoiler alert when um, when your boy dies, When your boy dies.

But I never they did. They did full vulture right up about how they had to shoot that scene over like three separate days or something or there was was three different sets, but maybe it was shot over like the course of like a week or two or something like that. Um. But that pilot too, where I didn't I didn't read enough of like the discourse around this during the pilot because because I got onto it like episode four, I I came on in the middle of

the season. But we're people thinking that like the air and stuff when they cut to Aaron like texting, like

I thought that they were that. I thought those are flashbacks and the way that the way that interplays with like like it's like Kate Staple, It's it's Mayor stapling the Katie like missing girl Katie posters as it leads up to Aaron getting murdered, and so the audience has led to believe that this is that girl, and like and then there's a there's an extra layer of shock when you realize it's a different person, And I'm just like, how the funk do you do that? In the pilot?

I think that you um experience it like that, and it is a valid way to experience it. I did not think it was a flashback. I thought I was thinking it was like a different girl, And honestly, I did not know that she was going to be the girl that died, because they were referencing that other girl, and I was like, maybe that's the mystery we're experiencing here, and this character, the girl is going to come into

play another way, maybe she'll get abducted or something. I did not know she was going to be the murder victims. So I think that you're right that that is like it was like a sort of maybe valid misdirect in

the show. But but when you go back and watch it and you know that the Sun was sending the text and you see her getting the text and sending It's just because I did go back and watch the first two episodes that that's that who that's the Sun was saying the text to the dad, No, the text to the girl because she was watching the first episode that the person she was texting was John was yeah, and so, and it's just it's they did it well because because after that last episode, I did go back

and I was like, because I am the kind of person. I mean, you heard my review of Promising Young Woman. When a logic thing doesn't work for me, like, I can't let it go. So I went back to the two first two episodes and it's pretty good. They did a pretty damn good job. And it's really fun to watch the performances of the cousins, Uh, Billy and John now that you know they knew everything that was happening.

And it's really fun to track the son Ryan because you now you see him the whole time and you know he's killed someone, so it really fills in the whole thing. I mean, they did do a really interesting thing with a lot of scenes where like, for example, when we see and I believe the sixth episode, John saying to Billy, I need you to say it, and he says I killed her, Like that was that was a trick on the audience. We didn't know we were joining that scene in the media rez as they say,

in progress. But they do that a lot. They also did that when John was telling yes and so they used that a couple of times and so but they But I never felt like I was being cheated by the show. But ever never, And it's like, oh, this is the thing you can only do in a piece of film or a piece of like a piece of television, where it's like you wouldn't be able to do that. And let's say, I not get the Christie novel. No,

it's so genius. And first of all, I need to I think this is the summer where I get into Miss Agatha. I mean also also problematic, very the blue print, but also like you know, Agatha, Christie and Friends has something in common very you know, problematic pass um, but murder on the links. I mean, I'm getting into Miss Parow dear. But it is really, it is, really it's fun to be a part of it. I do think this was superior to the Undoing, which now in retrospect

really magnitude. Yeah, yeah, it really feels like soapy camp now looking back, which is fine, Like we love soapy camp. But what I liked about Mayor of Eastown is I genuinely felt it honestly reminded me of big little lies where I felt at the end of the show it had said something, you know what I mean, Like I didn't think the Undoing said anything besides that basic basic thing of like you never know if you think your husband did it, he did it, like you don't know

your partner. It wasn't really poignant to me, It's just interesting. But we I'm still traumatized by seeing sucking Ellen Alvez being bludgeoned to death so many times, like there are there are a lot of things about the Undoing that I still dislike deeply. Yeah, Well, the under did not have respect for her as a as a woman, and

they treated her like a body and a victim. Literally when we find her murdered, her face is bludgeoned in, but her like deck lttage, is exposed pristine, and she's new in the very first episode, and she's she's that typical like exotic victim that shows like this love and I honestly was surprised that Nicole didn't have more involvement in that or changed that more because she was one of the producers of Big Little Lies and you feel hat does know more about this type of thing. I digress.

I felt like Mayor of Easttown, even in the violence and in the scoring, and there was like a real reverence and respect for the fact that this was a human being. They never like, you know, even though right even though she was like discovered in a state of undressed, like we don't linger on her Adie, we see, we were mostly on Mayor and realizing this is the fact that this is a child that she knows, you know

what I mean. Like, yes, there was a quote unquote violence against women in this show, but it felt like, um, it was a service to a to a story and

to a uh a lesson or something. It was never cinematized or dramatized in a way that was like all right, okay, yeah, yeah, and it it also is about the loss of children, and I think, especially like with Mayor and Lori at the end, like you know, Mayor who has lost her son, ends up being instrumental in Lorie losing hers But I think, and I think some people are on one side of it where they're like, I can see why maybe it was going to be satisfying for her to let her

have her son, because you know, um, she knows what it's like to lose one. But I genuinely think it was the right thing for her to do, because what happens if the kid gets away with it is he's going to live with that secret, and the family is going to live with that secret. Is going to rob them from the inside, and we see what happens to people in a town like that when they give up.

So it's like, I think it was the right thing to do, And I felt like it was so satisfying that the moment where Kate finds out, where Kate figures out what really happens, I mean, God, Kate winslet She was not false for a second. She was real and

grounded and compelling and captivating from every frame. It was a masterclass in every frame, the like her, the flashback to her going up, the addict, going up, the addict, the collapsing, and then like mustering up the strength to I'm like how the fuck do you do that on any level physically. It's because she she got specific. I'm telling you she is. She is one of our best and she's and I will say that she has had like you know, Ammann, I was a lot of people

really liked it. Um, it didn't slam as much as hard as I think they all think it was going to. But she's kind of had a rough few years. Like I know, not a lot of people love jobs. You know, she had that weirdness where she was working with Woody Allen for a second and she apologized. And I feel like things haven't necessarily been popping off for Kate since she won an oscar, really, but this was like I think she really took the time to find something where

she could really dig in and get specific. I think that she was genius to work on this, and she from the very beginning also managed to be funny. It's like, this is such a cheap thing to point out, but like her like eating things is great as it's such a great thing to watch. Just a lot of like

lived in little moments. Um. The relationship with her and Jean Smart was so that mother and daughter, like not even for a second where they like, you know, it's it's usually right before they even start talking to each other. You know, they're annoyed and every single interaction and that's important in the in the East Coast. Oh, that's funny,

That's really funny. Um. I'm sorry, I'm being such a dumbass, but I told you right that, or I told Sudie for sure that Kate texted Jeans Smart the murdered sketch. She did, because I think she said this on seth Myers. Um. But Kate sent Jeane Smart the murder sketch, which means that she watched she did, And can I can I actually say something about not to go not to bring up the uh like women violence against women as it's

portrayed on tv UM. But being in the murder sketch, there wasn't There was an actor who was the body, who was playing the body that was a real person

under this piece of cloth. And there was such even just in this little sketch that was shot over the course of like eight hours at like you know, three in the morning on on Friday night, there was something really upsetting and alarming on a visceral level for me as a person to stand there and like I think, I mean, I guess this would be for anybody, but like this like presumably naked, that this naked woman under a sheet, like standing there and like having it sort

of dissonantly be like, oh, okay, that's this person's alive and they're okay and they're comfortable and all this stuff, and I'm like, oh, but wait, this is just like hard. This is you have to make such a conscious choice to like peel back the layers on this. And that's what upsets me even more when I think back on the undoing, It's like it's it was a choice for them to keep showing that body and the and the and and and the violence and and the face and

the and the head being bludgeoned. That's why I do think it's important though, because and and not this not to be like unfun because like I said, the undoing was very fun to watch, and it's no disrespect like we love Nicole, we loved watching across the Street, but and it was stupid and silly and it was even thrilling. But the difference between this and that is like like with in Mayor VI East Town, even in that scene

where you see what happens with Ryan and Aaron. There's almost like like an elegance to the way that they shot it. Um, and maybe this is and also just understand that if I'm giving a little bit of a problem out of take here, genuinely, it's it's coming from a place of like I'm trying to find a way that we can do these things, and like, um, it not feel like the undoing felt like when I watched Mayra v. East Town, I felt sad for everyone involved.

I felt like it was a tragedy. When I was watching the Undoing, I just felt like angry and upset. I was just like, oh, this feels like pulp in a way that's just like this actually happens to women all the time and we're just having fun with it and still sexualized. Like this isn't yeah different, This isn't problematic at all. I don't actually mean it's a problematic

take Um. What what I mean is just like I don't know how people feel about even this being a constant thing, Like literally this is like you know, if it's this seems to be the seven the you know, seventh or ninth show in a row where it's like a girl is murdered. You know, I get that it's like, um, it's I guess that it's like a trope of television. And I'm not saying like, let's see a boy murdered, but it's just it, just as you know, I wonder how people feel about it, that it's just again and

again and again and again. I'm a little worn out by it. I don't know. I don't know, but I think this is what Hollywood does, which is they take one thing that is somewhat successful and then they drive it into the ground. But um, I thought this was fantastic. I thought this was this And watchment Or like probably my favorite mini series in the last decade or so. I just, oh, god, so good. You still have watched Watchman?

Oh my god, you just a flop. I am going to watch Okay, So just so you know, like I have been branching out and I've been watching different things. And also I'm going to be doing I can't say what this is yet, but I'm going to be doing a podcast that is me watching and I'm actually quite excited about it. I'm very excited to listen to it.

And I'll discussed more about that later, but I'm going to be branching out and getting over myself a little bit more because I am ready to branch out from the Real Housewives of it All on the reality TV of it All. That being said, have you watched New York and Beverly Hills so far? I have not watched Beverly Hills. I've I've only watched up until the like the episode where they were Ramona. I was gonna say they bully Ramona, but no, it's just Ramona being fucking

I want to fucking you don't love Ramona. I it's I really there are. I don't think I have this level of disdain for anyone. She is not your girl. She's not my girl. They cut my thing out when I was on watch It Happens live. It might be the reason I've never invited back. But I called out Ramona for being a fucking racist. Well listen, here's what I'm saying, um she I think that Ramona is quote unquote trying. I don't know. So I am wary of her at all times because that person what happened to her.

As like a season starts, everyone's like, oh, we're back on board, and then it ends and it's like we she needs to go, and then somehow she sneaks back in and she Maybe it's because sometimes it is funny and ridiculous to watch what she does and says. But I don't think. I don't think. I don't think there's value in that anymore. She's she's been doing this for twelve fucking year, thirteen fucking years, and it's and it's bad. It's tired. That person, that type of I'm sorry woman

in reality TV. I think ink. I don't think she should be the template for what housewives are. I don't think we'd miss her. I don't think that I rarely miss anyone. Like right now, I'll say this, like I love Dorenda. I don't miss I do, and she needs to go figure it out. I just don't like it. And this is the thing that there's Sonya this year too, Like I don't like it when the narrative is so

and so is drunk struggling. I don't struggling. Yes, is one thing, but oftentimes on this franchise, they're struggling because they're drunk all the time. And like, I don't want to watch a narrative happened on this particular show anymore where the narrative is, oh, this person is wasted and it's stopping. It's just to New York. It's they have a serious problem. And I think that, you know, it's good that Luan and Leah are sober, but Sonya, she's

just it's so tough to watch. It's just hard to watch. And I literally mean that it's hard to watch it. And so I don't want to get to the point where I don't anymore, but I may, but I do think there's other good things about it. But Beverly Hills has been where it's at. Okay, this might be the season that I fully start sort of on top, like you know, in real time, and watch it in real time. And we're getting Potomac back soon. I can't wait for Potomac.

Potomac is. Potomac is like the ideal current version of that kind of show for me, where it's like I want to like on some level all of these women. I don't. I don't think it's that fun. I don't love to hate any of these people, like I really love it when it's like I am I care about what happens to this to all of these people sort of like and That's why, like that that is the value prop of the full of the of the show. It's like, these are a group of women were following,

We're gonna see them interact with each other. You should be able to be interested in any iteration of or any like you know, permutation of these women in a room. Yeah, I do check I do check out when it's Ramona and I'm like, I don't want to know what this fucking dark ass person is going through. You don't really feel like you're getting a sense of like what's up up there? You know what I mean? Because it's just so cypical with her speaking of all this. I'm sorry

the COVID of it all. It's in York. I think I think it's hard in New York. But I think, like I love that we're all like ditched the mask for the most part. Now love that. But I think there should still not be too much collective amnesia about the people who fucking sucked in the beginning, including Ramona fucking singer. You're talking. This is interesting because there was the scene where like Leah was confronting her about lying about donating the plaza, about lying about which is a

fucking despicable lie. Yeah, And so I was sitting there, I was watching with Jardan Joel, and I remember thinking to myself like, alright, like, is Lea going in a little hard now? And then then you know what, this

is what I remembered. They shot it in like October, So honestly, I was like, I think that is just my like may of it all talking because if it was October and it had just come out, and this is like and by the way, COVID's going to get worse from this point, like from from the point where they are. So like if I was, if we were truly in the throes of COVID and someone was there and I knew for a fact that she lied about donating the platelets, like I would into you, I would

have gone into sucking hate Ramona Singer. Do you see my face right now? Yeah? I see your face. You're literally beat red and see her it's on site. Well it certainly when and here's what I'm gonna say. This is coming from someone we've fallen very far, because you are someone who once saw her on the street and

went up to her for a picture. Because back because this was what season seven or whatever, it's like five years ago, I was just like, I was just a fucking random little faggot that she's probably been a million different times being Ramona and take a picture, and I fully I've walked into that person as like as in like that kind of person who would approach her that way, And it was she was truly had such dark energy emanating for her ports and you can cheel it. I

could feel it. I can feel it. Also. The not being able to remember anyone's name ever, it just means you don't think about anyone but yourself, like flat out, and so how can you trust someone like that? You need to be able to remember people's names when you've met them fifteen times? I literally hated you. I hate it when I've met someone three times and they go have we met? It's like, oh god, you make me

feel small. And of course I would never make an issue of it, because I also don't think so honey when I when I do that to someone and I know it's only been one time, or I'm just trying to be polite and be like, hey, we've met before, and like and they go, yeah, set many times, I would never do that, but I also don't like it happens to me. Oh no, oh no, no, I'm with you. I'm with you anyway. I'm sorry. I just no, yeah, you had to go off. I oh, Ramona, Um, but

I will, I will start Beverly Hills. I needs just good. It's just good. And so hold on, hold on. No, you're misdirecting, because I need you to watch watchmen like you and you and you and this new like m C U kick. I love it. I love it for you, But you are you need to round out your consumption. You're you're you're diet of you know, superhero comic bookie things with watching. It's one of the best types of It's one of the best things out of that genre.

If you want to lump it in with like all all the m C stuff, I will absolutely watch it. I've just I've had a few other shows I was watching, you know what I'm watching now in treatment. I wanted to bring this up with with and can I say I think that when Uzzo was an Orange of the New Luck, maybe it's just just because Orange the New Luck went on for a long time and Crazy Eyes

was such a fixture for a while there. When she first hit the scene, I was like, Oh, she's incredible, and then I think I just got so much crazy eyes from her that I was like, Okay, uzzoduba whatever, Uzzo, I love Uzo. Uzzo is so good. Like literally, there there are scenes basically have you ever watched the olden Treatment? I didn't watch the old one? But then who is that that woman who ended up being on Gray's Melissa

George Melissa George. Yes, so she's fantastic on it. Yeah, yeah, but I in Treatment has this weird I first, Okay, my physics teacher who was an asshole, my physics professor who was an asshole in college standing treatment a way that actually made me not want to watch the show. I was like, I don't like you. You like in Treatment. You you keep mentoring it in her lectures about, you know, light physics, and I don't want I don't want to watch the show. It's that. That's my stupid little hang up.

It has nothing to do with the show. Go on, Well, um, you should try to get over that, because I actually think it's a very it's a really good show. And basically what it is for people that don't know is they released four episodes a week and Uzo Adubo plays a therapist. Originally it was Gabriel burn in the the original version that came out about fifteen years ago. So she plays a therapist. Then every week they released four episodes and she has three clients and then one is

like her getting her help. So, um, Anthony Rommel's plays one of the people she's therapizing. And then it's John Michael Higgins. No, that's not's not true. That's not true. That's not true. Oh god, what is this. No, it's oh my god, it's John Benjamin Hickey. Can we take that again? Um, John Benjamin Hickey. And Um. Then this other girl I don't know, but her name is Quintessa Swindel. I believe, and yeah, so so and every episode is like a twenty six minute session with one of them.

And so they released all four and then the next week you'll see all four again. It's week one, week two, week three before so you follow their therapy sessions and so every episode is like a thirty minute therapy session. Um. And it's just it's like a long play each episode, and it's just really good acting and they're there, there are issues that they eventually find the therapy sessions are

very specific. Like I said before, with May Time, you gotta get specific, and it's just again it's like the acting is so good. And then in like the fourth episode, which is the one that focuses on Uso every week, you get a sense of what she is going through.

And she's also very personally compelling. So you see her at her job and see how the people that are her clients affect her, and then see how she's acting in her own life, and it's just interesting to see the like tortured inner life of someone who has to provide stability to these people and help them get to the core of what's going on. And it does take place during COVID, which I was like it, but then I thought to myself, well, that's what kind of makes

it a show for now, is you know that? That's that's the reason to reboot it. Exactly exactly love it. And Uso is also dressed down. Oh the looks I see I'm seeing from these stills. I'm like, oh, like you love to see her so glam because again I also I only thought of her as crazy Eyes, and also she was in The Whiz and I hadn't really

seen her in anything else. But but she is. She is a glamazon in this and she fox the actor Joel Kinneman, who is one of the hottest in the on the Globe and we love to see on the Globe and we love to see it. Um, but I'll put Watchman on my list. Have you been watching Legendary this season? I have to be honest with you, I haven't. I haven't. I didn't know. I loved the first season, but I haven't started it yet because I think it's

going to be one that I want to binge like. Um, I don't know about watching the reality week to week, like after Drag Race, I just need a little bit of a break from reality. All I understand. But they're it's so dynamic and it's an incredible season. I mean truly some amazing thing things that I'm like, oh my god, I can't believe I get to watch that, like so great. We just we we stand House of t Shirt, House

of Balenciaga. Um, okay, I'll get I'll get into two very yes, you must be two very different house mothers who are presenting very valid styles of house mother of house parenting. But one of them is just going to like stand there and like serve you a moment and face and the other one is like kind of voguing along with the other children. But both are presenting very compelling cases for why they should win. Um, I'm excited. It's and and and and it just looks great and

it just looks so good. And how the judging the judging? I asked this question, how is the judge judging? You know, I for what you and I have been hard on miss low Roach for a minute, because when when we used to recap Top Model for Vulture, we really we were really not feeling him. We were we did not feel that law Roach brought a good energy to the show. No, and you some might argue, I even up until last night, thought law Roach is bad energy for the show, even

for legendary even still. Um, but I was talking to Josh Sharp about this, and Josh is like, I actually like law Roach because he is giving you a chaotic energy on that in that setting where it makes sense because that is ballroom. It's opinion, it's as it really is, just like, well I didn't like your shoes, so seven. You know, it's like, well I loved your name, so

ten ten, that's a ten. For me, it's like, oh my god, none of the none of the judging of the school I just love you so tends across the board exactly. But that does work for legendary and not top model because it needs to be that needs to be in the it needs to play within a rubric totally.

And and that is part of ballroom culture where you have the judging is where everyone gets upset because the scores are you know, like that is like the essential to ballroom where people are like wronged by the rubric. Or there's one just and that's just the way it is exactly, or the one particular judges like it's like, what the funk are you talking like? And ma roach serves that purpose And then I mean, I mean the phrase you did what needed to be done is perfect.

You did what needed to be done. Megan the world, Queen of the World, always legs outsplayed on that chair, one knee over the arm rest, looking so cool and casual and has Jamila sort of I Jamila has a critical eye. She still has not departed from that bang um and that says it all. Oh my god, I would love to see her in like a damn wig. I want to know she has she puts on some wigs, but it's all I want to just see her forehead. And I actually we probably we're gonna fucking get No.

I think we should. I think we could do. We could do with some aesthetic versatility from Jamila, Jamila, beautiful woman, one of the most beautiful women in the world, one of the most beautiful women in the world. Jamila. Let's see, let's see some different shapes along the the front portion of the hair of what you're We're only assessing this because it is essential to ballroom culture that you are giving us runaway by coming out in your looks every episode,

and you're serving his face and body and glamour. But I want to see some variety in the hair because Leaomi gives you variety, Megan gives your variety. Law Roach gives you variety. And as as as Lady Gaga once said, hair body face sace for you, not just two out of the three. And that's a little culture. One hundred and six. As lady said, hair body, body face, not just two three. Um, before we sort of proceed on too much, UM, I have to ask you what you

think of the album of the moment. The pop girl of the moment has released her album, and I should say I don't think I've spoken to you since. Her SNL performance, which I hear you watched from the floor, was stuning Driver's License on the floor of SNL by Olivia Rodrigo was a moment making moment, start making moment. UMH my god, yeah, I have I have nothing really to say, which I know is so boring, but she

was just so I don't know. She she just performed the funk out of that song and that that is that is a song that she she understands the power there and she understood that maybe would have been it would have been seen for the first time on that show for certain people. I don't know. Um, really incredible. And then Good for You was of course very fun. She she was rocking out like like a rock girl. What do you think of them all? Comparing Good for

You to Misery Business? And if you had to raise the hand of one of them in the ring, what would you say? You know? I mean, misery Business gets points for being the first. It is structurally very similar to Misery Business. I think they're both, They're both perfectly valid. Well, I prefer a misery business. And I will say that because I I good for you is growing on me like any song that is on NonStop and has a hook.

Is It's certainly not like Confetti featuring Sweetie by By a Little Mixed for Me yet where I'm listening to it five thousand times a day. Um, But it will get there, probably because they'll force it to get there. But um, misery Business came on. Two weeks ago. I went to a TRL themed warehouse party where they played early two thousands pop and misery Business came on. And when I tell you, first of all, they need to

do this as a lip sync on drag Race. Um. Second of all, it slaps so hard you go on a ride and a half. Can I just tell you we need to actually rethink the way that queer people who love to dance should relate to rock songs in general. Nope, you can turn it out. You can turn it out. Okay. So, first of all, I went to an eighties themed party the other night and they were just playing like the Clash and the Smiths and like on top of the Madonna and the you know like and the Diana Ross

and everything else. But like you you you fucking like rock out and dance and have fun to it. And then Josh was like, oh yeah, it's like at act bar they used to have in l A. They used to have like rock nights where you would just like dancer ass off to rock music. And it's like it's a thing that I think the club going sector of the queers is like, I don't think it's actively resisted, but it's like we should, we should, we should start the movement now to all like bring that haven't coexist

in that space, because it makes total sense. I mean, anyone that thinks a queer person can't dance to rock to rock, didn't see me slam my Puss to the ground to food fighters best of you at this trance party. You didn't see me grind with a man to the song Sugar We're Going Down swinging by Oh my God by. My dream in life is to be on a dance floor with you when Sugar We're going down. Oh let me tell you something bowing Sugar We're going Down came

on and it was more than I bargained for. Let's just say to use to use were dying to tell you everything you want to hear, because that's just that's who I am this week. Lie in the grass next to the post, But You're just a line song. I cannot describe that. I didn't even like love that song when it came either, but hearing it now did something

to me. The same thing happened to I'm sorry to say it, but um, I write since not tragedies came on and I was at the time I didn't like them because I was like, I don't like those I don't like that pop rock that like emo was a bad word for me in high school. Um and because because the preppie kids didn't like the emo vibe and I was and I was more. I was hung out with more and more of those types. But even though in my heart I did love like you can't, I

just couldn't. At the time Good Charlotte too was It's not for me, so I went in on Good Charlotte. But nowadays, oh my god. And when those songs came on, even like one band I did like when I was in high school, Yellow Card Ocean Avenue came on, Bitch Girl. Ocean Avenue is a very long island song, very long island song. Every all Yellow Card remember they're ballad here r, I go scream my loves like my maya. It's only one,

It's only one. Um, I they're not your culture. Well, I think Denver High school culture in that time was definitely fall up Boy, definitely panic at the Discount, definitely, uh there's some takenback Sunday there dashboard was huge. But also there was oh my god, if Jenny if Jenny madruga slash oh she got she got married, and I forget what her last name is now her brother she was like the biggest steal at school and she was she was a great great I loved her. It was

obsessed with her. She was like a cool girl, but not like in the popular circle enough to be like like she was like cool because she wasn't. She didn't care about being popular. But her her brother was in this band called thirty six Flip, which basically sounded like Blank Winn eighty two, but they were slightly different thirty six Flip and it's like another like number Yeah anyway, um, oh my god, have you ever heard my friends over you?

That's now, that's that's that's new to Newfound glory. Um like Newfound Glory was huge in Denver. I mean, like we I I definitely went to a brand New concert. I don't know if you know that about Oh my god, I loved brand New, So I went to a brand New concert because brand New this is insane opened up for Dashboard one time, but but brand New was like like Dashboard was like, you know, they were poppy, they

were they were poppy. Brand New was not. No, it was I remember like, oh my god, what's the song? But then Dashboards sometimes playing back Sunday would get really screaming yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Brand New it was, oh my god, what's the brand New song? I loved? Um god, I'm never I can't. Actually I'm looking at all the brand New discography and this is actually too much,

is it? Why? Is it just like you you immediately realize you've forgotten everything on everything, and this is actually like, this is flashing. This has taken me back to a time in my life that I have done a lot of work to try to escape, and I actually it's actually really shocking and jarring to be confronted by oh wait, oh my god, it's I'll tell you what song. It is the one song I loved of brand New, And it was like the reason why I was like, yeah,

I'm actually excited they're opening for Dashboard Who. I fucking loved the quiet things that no one ever knows. Yeah, god, so keep the block in your head. That song, Oh my god. Yeah, honestly that was probably the most closeted time of our lives. Yes, that's what I'm saying is that it was. It was a lot of just like hetero performance, oh big time. I mean I was for me.

It was that and the time I saw Jack's mannikin who I really did love Jackson NICKI was great and I still have a tissue from this concert four even that's Jack. I don't think that's them, Mama, Yeah, oh that's that's not Jack's mannekin. Yes, it's Jack's man again. You don't no, I don't think that's Jack's Mannegan. Okay, hold on, no, that's like that's like that other band. Oh god, no, jacks manneck is dark blue? Dark blue? Have you I'm sorry? I'm sorry, yes, yes, no, no,

we're not. We can't stand up, boss, you put into this. I'm stupid, stupid. Okay, well yeah, I'm not white. You were like Augustana. You are the stan up the whitest bitch in the land. You have white sensibilities. Um, but no, it's just so fun because came on and I was like, oh my god, like and you can dance to it? You can't. It's so danceable speaking but just fall out

boy dance dance. I mean yeah, literally, I mean but wait and also just I'm sorry, but Dirty by Christina Aguilero holds up and it could be a hit today on the fucking when that song starts and you realize what's happening, you got like pull the fire alarm, get everyone out of there. I still there is not a filthier music. I have to point the video every time. It's just so good. She went for she said, she said,

Christina Aguilera said, whore. No. But you know what else, This is what came on at the eighties party Faith by George Minkel, and Joshua turns to me and goes, this man does not get the fucking credit. He was a No, he's a pop star, but he was also a fucking dirty, horrish gay man who fucking sucked off a cop. I mean whatever, but like did crazy ash shit? All cops are blown blone. I am like George Michael

is actually huge. He's also so hot, so hot. But like I think I need to like actually smoke some drugs and like listen to some George Michael in a deep way because I need to pay respects. You know, you know the children, the children have forgotten, The children have forgotten, and I mean careless whisper you could, you could, you could just put it on and never let it stuff, but you know, and and wake me up before you go go. Also came on and that was a euphoric

I'm sorry, I'm sure. I mean, so much of his stuff slapped. Also, you know who I rediscovered the other one eye who I hadn't listened to in a very long time. Stevie Wonder Stevie and the ballads, Oh my god, oh love. I could gag literally the storytelling and also the riffing, the belting. The man is singing like Aretha Franklin. He is just Oh my goggles are unmatched. Unparalleled. Bitch sciencell delivered Lately, which Kelly just covered. Um, there's so

much good. Maybe that's even why I felt down that wormholes, because I think she did a cover of Lately on her show from a frequently we're improving that one and she did it and I was like, oh, I completely forgot. And then I remember the song Ribbon in the Sky, which was my parents wedding song, UM, and I was like, oh, I need to listen to a ribbon to this guy right now. And I went through a whole Stevie moment.

But yes, the iconic men of yesterday who trail Blaze, pop and R and B, thank you and I think And it's so funny because Aaron at one point Aaron Jackson was like, I think like another Go Go song was playing it that was just so the beats for the bpm was like suing, like two hundred on it or whatever. It's so fast. Then Aaron goes, oh, now I get why cocaine was the drug of choice back then because the songs like just so fast and also

the emotional rock. What do you mean like like just like that because everything felt like hard, you know what I mean? Like, uh, you know somebody like, oh god, this is another one. Um. Two of the children have forgotten, and I thought of it because she sings it in the finale, the daughter Von sings we Belong, and I was like, you know this girl, this girl cannot be singing this right now. But this song it works, epic.

I thought it works. We belong to the night. She was singing it with almost nothing, you know, not okay, very quickly. This is what I wanted to say earlier when you were talking about like when communities get small, it's it's hard for new ideas to break through. Um. I think it speaks to this thing where it's like people want to belong people. People want belonging more than

they want to leave. Yes, new information, factual information, Oh yeah, this is this is this is this is a thing that's like come up in like the last you know, five years, six years of like this new political worldly living and especially after COVID or during COVID, where it's like, oh, you want to you want to be a part of something more than you want to be um to to challenge your way of thinking, And that is true for everybody, and that um is very mentally challenging to or just

mentally hard for people to sort of understand as a meta layer about the way that they process new information. Yes, I do, and I also I do not think it was a mistake that so much was made out of the children's futures. I think that it was like we heard about what was going to go on with um Dylan's girlfriend after she had gotten arrested, Um that she was going to go be in beauty school. We a

big thread was Chivan to Berkeley, you know. And also the fact that a lot of these kids, like you know, He's going to Juvie, Like, we set up almost all of the children in the show, so what their futures were going to be. And I think that actually, if it wasn't by design, then I think it was a really really dynamic feature of the show was that in in being about generational trauma, it's also about generation generational

experience and opportunity. And I think that the fact that um, these parents were so um invested in the future of these children, it does mean that they they're not opposed to their kids going out and having a different experience, maybe because they are upset with the fact that they're so grounded in their own situations, you know. I think that's another thing too, is it's like around episode three or four, when Mayor is gonna looks like she's gonna

lose her grandson. You know, I genuinely thought to myself like what is this woman gonna do? Like what if she if she has no one? Like like and you're in that situation, like what is what do you live for? It was it really felt like the world was very small, and then that's a success of the show. God, my friend is so smart perceptive, bitch, no you you but literally literally literally all I wanted to know was what

you thought of the Olivia Rodrigo album. And it feels like I don't think that much of it about it. I do you know what? I can I tell you something because up and girl in Red now, so I want now that the girl Okay, which did you even did you even do it a bunch? I was just like I thought, I didn't think that that. I thought this wasn't the moment. No, no, sour is the moment. There's no denying that. I've only given it a full listen through once and then if I've sort of like

bounced around on songs, I think it's fantastic. Yeah, it's really good. But I wish she wrote about more than just that one breakup because I want to know her. But it's so up. But then of course I think it is. It is a time honor tradition in pop music to write about a breakup about a single breakup. She's not the first person to do it, she will

not be the last. She's very young, and so she has a limited scope of experiences and like Fleetwood nec rumors one like iconic songs about a single breakup, Right, It's fine, it's fine, it's fine. I guess those artists that you mentioned, like we already met them before that album came, like Adele had nineteen And you're saying that you don't know, you don't know about Olivia Rodrigo as a person after you've listened to Yeah, I guess I

know would be a great vocalist. And wody be inspired by like nineties female rock singers, um or pop singers, and that she's influenced like this is the new generation that is as we've talked about, influenced by like Taylor Swift and um you know, Hayley Williams will say like, like, I think this is an ext I think she is inheriting a lot of She's she's she's pulling a lot of very cool threads from the past, from the not so distant past that feel like, Okay, it's just she's

trying on close. But it's like, it's like what Gaga did on this is a weird comparison. This is like what Gaga did on Fame Monster, where she had like an Abba song, a Madonna song, a Christina Aguilarra song of Brittany. So like, do you know what I'm saying that she was doing a different version of all of these other pop mental models for what we like, like that where we that we already had. I think, but again,

we already knew Gaga before this, before Fame Monster. But I think with Olivia it's okay for her to just try on all these different hats. All I know about Olivia is that she's an incredible vocalist. Yeah, I think she's a special, incredible singer and real writer. Like I think she's wait just before we continue, I'm interested in your thing with the Fame Monster about how each one of those is a different which one or which? I really I never thought so is Brittany Alejandro is like

um an Abba slash interesting? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Alejandro was like an Abba song. Speechless is like an Elton thing. Obviously, a telephone is um teeth is Christina teeth is so Christina to me so happy I could die and dance the dark or definitely dancing the Dark is Donna, and then bad romances like Gaga, you know, like that is like the like set that is like the center hub of the whole album, and then everything else is kind of spoken to other pop territory. That is very interesting.

Like she was referencing a lot on that album as probably I think she was. I think and I maybe I've been poisoned by um, I've been pilled as the kids say, by the Pitchwork review that came out at the time in two thousand ten or or whatever where they were like she is like she's she's trying out different things. But I think that's true. And I think that's like, I mean, she was like twenty two when that album came out. It's like like it makes sense for her to not have a full definition of self

as an artist. To be clear, I do not think that she should come in this fully realized. I think there's a lot of expectations on her and I'm not expecting this to be Jack a little pill, you know what I mean, I'm not supposed to be I'm not expecting this to be this like this is the one of the works of my life and it happens to my first one because and and even though you move me before, I guess what, I'm just as good as you all thought. Like I know there's a lot of

expectations on her. I guess all I'm saying is as an album. When I got to the song enough for You, even though I love it as a song, enough of this, when she started singing and it was like we broke up the other day, whatever the words are, I literally rolled my ask because I was like, you know, maybe just some album reordering, just some versatility in the lyrical

content would have been good. And I would say that about anything that I listened to closely and kept hearing about the same thing, only because I do think there's a lot of interesting things there, and she gets at some really interesting stuff in brutal and also jealousy jealous. So I'm just like, and I know she's a really good writer, And because she's so good at writing about this breakup, I know she'll be so good at articulating

more about herself. Like I guess, for literally, if I could boil this down is I think it's a very Taylor album, and I wanted a little bit more Taylor. And what I mean is I think to boil it down is I just wanted a little bit more fun and just And I think that probably what's going to happen on the next album is we're gonna get her giving you pop dance songs. I think they'll round her

out that way. Don't forget that Ari started out and she was just giving you like little doo wop, E, R and B like she was she was that girl, which is like not not Maybe this is a lazy comparison. It's like Olivia's gonna start out in one localized genre place the queers are on board neck and one or

two album cycles. It will be full if if it if it'll makes sense for her, if that's what the sort of if that's what the whole in the market is or whatever, like if there if there's a if there's a need for that, like, she will fulfill the assignment. She will do what needed to be done and we'll all like fucking dance her asses off to like an Olivia Rodrigo bang or that has yet to exist. Yeah.

I also think so smart of her to target like gen X and and the millennial generation with the type of music she's doing, and also because everyone really is obsessed with her, like our age a crop but you and you're saying gen X to like like that, Yeah, no for sure, like like with this strowback stuff she's doing, she's like giving us, she's bringing people in. Yeah. And because gen Z was already obsessed with her, so now

it's like, oh she's doing like a paramore thing. Oh interesting, she's doing like a weird like to store guitar like interesting, like the stuff that we recognize on her like into And I also think that the narrative that she's from high school musical and like has this thing is is a fun one and one that people that are maybe a little bit older can identify with because we all know what the tabloid situation of our day was, you know what I mean. And it's funny. It's stupid and funny.

I also watched a few episodes of High School Musical of the musical of the series, and it was not awful. Well, I've listened to because I'll go to the Olivia Rodriego Artists page and I'll like press play you can find for you there you can find you there, you can find me there. Um and then I um. Before the before Sour came out, you would you would play like

dejav or whatever, and they would shuffle. The next song would be from high School Musical musical series, and I'd be like, oh, this this is a good song, or this is like this is like a great deconstructed version of Breaking Free or whatever, you know, because it's like it's like a weirdly know it's high school musical, the musical the series, So it's about a high school that's putting on high school musical but yet they're going through

their own thing. So there is like a knowing nous to it and like it knows how kind of frivolous the premises. Yeah, like it's du but that's okay. I never was. I never felt like I was laughing at it at all, and that's kind of the way that like. But it also has that high school musical earnest energy too. I don't know, it's just it's funny. By the time this episode comes out, there will be a new billy

track that I think will be fun. I'm hoping it's fun fun billy because your power is a little bit of a It never took off for me, and I think the only reason it took off for anyone at all is because we were excited about what she put out. A lot of people claimed it, I'm excited for Billy no matter what she does. I just think it didn't

match the aesthetic shift for me. No, And we had talked about this like we were, we were really on we were on the edge of our seats about what the sound was going to be to match this new aesthetic, and then when it was this, it kind of I'm just I'm still a little confused. It seems like this next song, I forget what it's called, but by by the time the steps that drops, we'll all know it. Um, it seems fun. It seems fun. That's all. That's all we know. And you know, allegedly Beyonce is coming to

what Beyonce is coming? Period? Oh my god, what are you talking about? Well, they were all checking in with each other on like FaceTime, and it was Kelly, Michelle, and Beyonce, who all together make up the group Destiny's Child, and Michelle posted audio from the FaceTime and Beyonce said she was cooking up some music. So we know that she's working and I will say this. Me and house listened to the Beyonce Self Title in the way back from Palm Springs. I just I can't describe how good

it felt. I I recently thought about the moment that it dropped. I remember asking the house I was staying in, like, where do you remember where you were when Self Titled dropped? And some people are like yeah, or some people are like no, And I'm like, okay, if you say no, I don't know you girl. I don't know your girl, but you were a girl. I remember coming home from my office holiday party from my day job back in

it dropped at midnight. I saw on Instagram that she had posted like it was like a super kind of all the videos from the album, was like what the fund is going? You were the first person I talk. I literally remember I remember so because I remember you said you said. I was like, can you believe this? And you said no. I remember what you said specifically,

what which was this is a sick dream. Yeah. I genuinely thought I thought maybe it would go be be pulled down like I thought maybe I said this is a sick dream, because I think at that point it was like she had just done four and was still like popping off. And it also just on not just on the STUPI. She had just on the super Bowl. She had just on the super Bowl like that that

was like her last big thing. So she was yes, the year before or like, and then this came out of the separate so it had been months, but like she had established herself at such a level that for her to do this and everyone listening to this I'm sure remembers, but what I realized listening to it yesterday in the car was Wow, not only does this hold up, but it literally set the standard for everything that's come since.

And there are true for me, there's one skip, but they're like, I don't like Superpower, Um you are anti Frank Ocean nine three to of the album There, it's just the best thing I've ever heard in my life. And the fact how it keeps heightening in terms of how explicit it is and how much it's willing to reveal and how far it's willing to go, and then it still is just so musically beautiful the whole time.

And you're just like, because she's so smartly released the imagery and the visuals obviously because of the visual album and the music videos at the same time. You have such a place for all the music. Oh my god, it's it's stored so well in your in your brain that, like you at, everything comes rushing back. Oh my god, is a fucking one of her best songs, Blow Partition and into Partition. Uh, can I say rocket rockets? Unbelievable. It also one of the most one of the most

sexual songs ever released. And it never ends. And I love and I'm just like I just it's so epic. And then also XO, I love so much I was crying. Uh. The song Blue Blue, which by the way, is very groom and if you notice, sometimes when I do what I Will do, which is a tribute to Beyonce, Blue is a skip for you. I just the slow stuff for me for me self titled good Way for You. That's it's fine. Pretty hurts. Unfortunately, I I feel my entire fantasy to pretty hurts every single time it comes.

Pretty hurts. You get acting moments. I mean, the visual is important, but the the song pretty hurts. I disagree with you. It can't leave for me. Okay, So okay, how about this on the album because here's the thing and I had this discussion. Ship doesn't actually pop off in the visual album if you're watching it in order until until what you did. Okay, I'm happy that you that you stayed so early because Haunted. No, yes, of course I would have seen it, but I'm saying, like

Pretty Hurts is, I don't need it. It's extreme. It's like the visual starts to blow your mind, and Haunted this is why you need Pretty Hurts. This is why you need Pretty Hurts. Because when Pretty Hurt, when you pit play and it was Pretty Hurts and Pretty Hurts happens, you think, oh, wow, this is Beyonce's new album. And then she stops everything and does Ghost and that's when she says, I don't trust the record labels. I'm gonna make no money on this, but who cares? Perfection is whatever?

So she, in process of her Beyonce album says, hold up, why can't you just start that? Why can't you just because because it's more powerful to who she was and who she's been, it's more powerful, and also I still think pretty er it's for something she wanted to say. Oh I don't doubt that. I'm glad she got to say it. And and pretty hurts, and the sentiment of pretty hurts is one of the reasons why she's doing

what she's doing. It's the soul that needs a surgery, and which and then she took out the damn scalpel on Ghosts and cut into the carcass unhaunted, so that by the time Drunken Love came came around, we were ready to do a soul transplant by the end. By by the time we get to Heaven, she says, I'm suturing the wound, and Blue healed the girls. Oh Blue, I'm sorry. Blue is the last track you can confirm. I mean, like, we better not forget seven eleven. We

better not forget the flawless remix. I'm meeting on the Sun. Literally, I love standing on the sung. I was fucking getting my left to standing. I'm the kid you, Oh my god, bitch. And also we are not mentioning um one of my favorite, one of my favorite tracks. No one agrees with me about this, No Angel, Oh I love, no Angel. Just just leave me alone when it comes on, just let me get in my vibe. And first the mother, let's go back on your head. Then whatever you want. Yeah, baby,

it comes true. Oh my god, she's actually begging for Dick the whole time. I love it. No, I love no Angel anyway, UM well, I'm happy that we have this moment of celebration for her, and now now sour By Olivia Rodrigo just seems like child's play. It's not fair for us to compare anything a new artist does with Beyonce self titled is that that is a crazy crazy scale um or curve or whatever. I mean. She's gonna listen to this episode. She's gonna say, God, it's

brutal out here. It's brutal aut here, which I do love. I think it's time for I don't think so honey, and I gotta say um lots to I don't think so honey about in the world right now. But and that's good, um, good for us. I have something top of mind that I gotta get off my chest. Okay, this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so honeyest time starts it now. I don't think so honey. Dealing with and being a person that needs to be dealt with

on their Molly come down. If you know that you're going to be on the Molly come down, just put away your phone, turn it off. Just just stay home the next day, don't be around anyone because I'll tell you what, I don't want to hear it. And I know when I'm on my Molly come down, I just shouldn't talk to anyone because my thoughts aren't clear. I should not be speaking. I should not be spoken to. Literally, if you, if you deal with people on their Molly

come down, you're dealing with a dark energy. And you have to know this when you take your molly. If you're going to partake in that, that for the next forty eight hours, because it is forty eight hours, you're gonna be unbearable. So take yourself out of the equation because it harms relationships. You actually can harm relationships by speaking to other people on your Molly come down because you're not yourself. I don't think so, honey, Me, you

and everyone we know on their Molly come down. That's whenever when we know when their Molly come down, that's one minute. And then because then you're being nasty and rude and like, I'm like, I know what this is, so like you should have just not said anything to me at all. M do you feel that this is something that you are contextualizing, your your your interactions with

other people recently who have also been on Molly come downs. Literally, this morning I woke up, I wasn't Yes, I did take the drug Molly on my vacation in Palm Spring, so let's just say I did it. Um So then this morning I woke up and I was like, I'm in a terrible, terrible, terrible mood. But I know what it is, and I know I'm tired, and I know I'm like exhausted, and I'm looking at Instagram and I'm feeling already exhausted by pride. And it's just because I

went a little hard this weekend. And I know that I'm operating at a serotonin deficit. I know enough to say, you know what, any negative feelings I have today, any like way altercation I can get in, I'm gonna avoid. And I'm not going to make any big decisions to day either because I am operating in a serotonin deficit. I don't have my joy, I don't have my faculties, and I am not getting into it today socially, Honey, I feel you. I commend you for having that awareness.

I just want to I want. I want to tell everyone that I'm bad and I don't mean to center myself in this, but that has been what I've been feeling for the past like four months of just like

a serotonin deficit. And they, you know, you get what you call like a Wednesday brain at SNL where it's like you've stayed up for like nineteen hours writing and then it's the next day, and then after the read through happens, your sketches don't get picked and you're pissed, and so they tell you like never, don't get into arguments on Wednesdays. Don't make big decisions on Wednesdays, don't you.

And it's like, oh, that is just like that's a Molly come down, Like sah, yeah, I can imagine it sounds. And now I sort of understand, um where you've been at. To be honest, No, shut up, bet you make me sense stupid. No, I know I've literally but all I'm saying is place I know, I trust me, I know I know, and I wanted to be extremely You've been very supportive of that the whole time, and I thank

you when I commend my friend. Well, I love my sister, but I'm just saying like it's it's good that everyone knows enough to say, Hey, everyone's feeling like ship this day, so avoid each other because I literally I had some interactions today and I was just like, I think that none of us should just talk. I don't think anyone

should be talking. And I think that I could help all friend groups by saying, if you party the next day, if you don't have to see everyone, separate, girl, separate, do your thing, order, order order food, stay home, watch mayor Wow that sound or Legendary or Watchman, any of the above, any of the above. So that's my I don't think so, honey, Bowen young, do you have one this week? Gosh, this is Bowen Yanks. I don't think so, honey, and his time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Cocaine,

You're not that girl. You were never that girl. You are not the drug for me. I did a few bumps of you this weekend for the first time, and I don't see the appeal. Honey, it's bad you. If you gotta ask, is it k or is it coke? It better look like the fit. You better know what you're getting on the first glance. Okay, And if you don't know if it's feedinal. If you got to buy a strip off his Amazon to make sure you're doing something that won't kill you, then you gotta go the

other way. I got my life by just taking an edible, drinking a couple of Gin and tonics, and I was on the dance fler looking at the lights just like every other coked a piece of ship on the floor. I think you don't need it. There is We've progressed past the need for cocaine. Let's just have a cycle. H God blessed the cartels for everything they've done for us. But we don't need you anymore. And that's one minute,

you know. I um, I think that what people might say to you is that you're not doing good cocaine and I have. I will say this, I too have, I too have partaken in this activity and the difference, there's a difference between good and bad. I will say that. I also don't. I don't. I also do not think cocaine is that girl. Have I tried it once or twice? Yes, yes I have. I have tried it. I also don't think it's that girl. And agree with my sister that

we don't need it. That being said, I also know that sometimes people are getting are able to get their good stuff together. And I'm not here to yuck anyone's yum. But for me, it's not my d O C drug of choice, not mine either. Again, it just I think, I think the drug that will sort of lead us into this decade the remainder of this decade will be psychedelics. There's gonna be some there's gonna be some some big

changes in the world of psychedelics coming up. Really, what makes you say a lot of a lot of clinical considerations. I mean like they're like psychedelics are actually being clinically considered for the first time in a long time. I know this has been like slow simmering news for a while. And like people that you've like, like you've heard your

kookie uncles say like, oh, it's psychedelics of whatever. But um, they're they're like, there's gonna be some classification clinically for them in the next in the summer or in the fall or something that's gonna really open the door to a lot of like treatment options for psychedelic And I

do endorse this, Rupa, Yes, I think I think. I think mushrooms I think your psylocybins and your and your lsd s, those are wonderful things to do every now and that I haven't done any psychedelic and like a year and a half and I kind of miss it. See I haven't done on any psychedelic in forty eight hours. Well good for you, girl. I just I have lesson. I have lessons every time, and that's what I left

my favorite part. Yeah, sometimes those lessons can be scary when you're in the part when you're in the Ace Hotel, Palm Springs pool and a man with a straw hat comes over to you and asks VI and um and so you were so you were tripping when he when he did this. Yeah, In truth, the answer I is, I was vibing, and but I just didn't know how to really get into it with him. But so I think I said sure, sure, am, and he was like, yeah, I said a few things to me that I kind

of internalized and then sort of floated away. But I did play with a big ball in the pool with a bunch of strangers, which felt really fun. The community was strong in the pool. I just you know, we love the pool community at the AST Hotel and and and I miss you all. If you were in the Ace Hotel pool this weekend, I miss you, I love you.

I shared time with you. And if you are that guy that was in a straw hat sort of swimming around asking people if they were vibing and if you know you have big Adam living in energy, UM, I specifically want to shout you, shout out to you and say that, UM, I wasn't not into it. If that's

what you were getting at. Oh well, misconnection, misconnection. I think what a wonderful, serotonin depleted way for us to ring in Pride month this year, the first, the first post vaccine Pride month, and we are here and already tired, and as we record this on June one, um but wow, it's not going to stop us from chuckling along. I am coming to New York on June. We're going to

my sister. It's a new soundtrack, in fact, because we end every episode with a song Welcome to U. It's been right by Welcome to the Yak and to hear the rest of that sound listen to me ty by Taylor Swift, just kidding, Buck, Scooter Braun, don't listen Scoter for Taylor's for Taylor's version, and if you drag us from mentioning Taylor again, you welcome. You're welcome. Bye, Bye,