"Literally At Sea" (w/ Marla Mindelle)

Last night we went to the Scissa concert Healing, Healing, Healing, cathartic and healing, best visuals I've ever seen. Okay, so yeah, so we we were literally we met up before and then we were talking some of us girlfriends, like girlfriends do girlfriends, girl friends, they talk. It's actually real culture. Number thirty girlfriends they talk, and we were saying, you know, I bet scissors, um, I bet the staging of this will be like, um well, none of us really knew

going in what it was like. One was like I think I saw a lighthouse. I got spoiled on techtok it was like there's a lighthouse involved as yes, oh of course the theme is like so os, it's like very save our ship by to save our ship, which I didn't know that. You didn't know that. I thought it was just because the Morse code. It's so it's like the easiest, simplest morse code. Oh, I'm here to tell you. It really stands for save our ship. So

that's essentially what they're typing into Morse code. That's what the messages save our ship. Oh my god, I learned something every day from you. Yeah's not true, that's true. I know. This is the first thing you've learned from me in a very long time. We're gonna get We're gonna blue back on this idea later because I learned something huge from you that had to do with our guests. Okay, just the show Titanique itself. Yes, we'll get to that later.

But basically we were talking. We were like, you know, I bet Scissa just comes out and just takes the mic and sings and that's all. The songwriting is so strong that you could you could have been it could have been just that. Right now. I don't think this has been done. I have, or at least I haven't seen it in like the arena concerts I've been to, the few that I've been to, the handful i've been to. She does spoiler alert, she does like um projector like

LEDs as a cage. She has four walls of LEDs that go up and down. And then they moved the step pieces in and out. It was amazing. It was incredible. It was giving environment, yes, atmosphere it was it was interactive, yeah, and it was it was telling a story. It was really really incredible. It's like, I just have to compliment the vision to say nothing of the live vocal honey, to say choo, of the choreo, of the wardrobe, of the wardrobe, of the commitment of everyone on stage. And

you know what I loved. What I loved is that everyone on stage is living for and the music. Yeah, and it's like there's not a phone in no moment now. And I had what I would call a cathartic emotional release. Do you remember to what songs? Well, let's just say F two f at. That was amazing, but we knew it would be. Nobody gets me. That was a full moment. And I swear she pointed at me. I suppear she pointed at me. Okay, when she was on the boat. So that's just the power of Scissa. You feel as

though she's pointing at you. She's sort of like one of those what do you call it, She's one of those paintings. She's like one of those paintings. It's actually really coach number fifty. She's like one of those paintings. You know what, bitch, bitch, what we have to be in person? It's so different. I have something to say. Oh my god, I just want to say that I'm

I'm back, and I feel sorry for these girls. Matt Rogers, I'm taking an apartment in New York, is going fully by coastal and is taking an apartment in New York, a friend of our guests. I believe, Yes, well, I don't want to blow up anyone spot too much, but like, yes, it has fallen into my lap. This sort of amazing, too good to be true. But I even said to him today when I checked out the year, I was like, this feels too good to be true, but in a way that will work out, you know what I mean,

do good TV true, but that will work out. I just got chills. I am galhanize, I'm excited. I'm ready to do it. I'm ready to return to New York and I am thrilled about it and just even being in the presence of my let's just say it here and now sister periods period. But to continue the sentence ellips makes me feel three periods. It's actually really culture number seventy ellipsis three periods, not more or not less. No, two periods go off quickly. This is not quite I

don't think so, honey level. It actually might be, but I'll save it. But an ellipsis is three periods period. If you've done two periods, what you've done is confused. And if you're in four territory, if you're four and above, regulate yourself. Yeah, unless you're doing it for comedic effect. I support comedians. I do, I do, I do. Can I just quickly stay before we bring in the guests.

We recorded an entire episode of this podcast last que Racist with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang that was lost too. I'm gonna just say Hotel Wifidney, Sydney, Hotel wi FI, and I just want to quickly say I had a great time in Sydney. There's so much that happened. I saw Kylie minok Denny Minoque came out. I went on

a Kylie Minogue boat that was incredible. I did so many things, but I just really think it's important that I say one thing from the trip, which is I want to shout out Linden Watt, who is an iconic performer in Australia that is a reader and reached out. He actually won the Sydney Theater Award for Pastralia for as Aaron Burr and Hamilton in Australia I would have killed to see. Just amazing. And he invited me to

the Sydney Opera House. They were doing a symphony of Disney songs perfect and it was just like wow, like exactly what I wanted to go see. Linden is an incredible singer and performer and they're taking it on the road and I think they're doing on the Gold Coast right now, Like if you can see this ghost you love the Gold Coast, Honey, I know, and you know where I went to Bondaye Beach. Get some coasting. Come

on my skin. She's you came into the room last night and you were you were very kissed by the sun. You know. I had a moment last night where I went into the bathroom and I looked at myself in the mirror and I said, I said, I was on mushrooms. And I said, you know what, girl, pick yourself up. Girl, I pointed myself in the mirror. I said, girl, it could look at we can't even look at you. You're gonna be sad. Don't be sad. And now I'm not sad. I blame the scissor and the mushrooms, but you were.

I will write a book about you. Some day I will be your biographer. And with that, and with that, I love you. I love you, and this is my I will never loving you, oh my god, never till you're a dying day. I will be the last thing you see. I pray in a world where I outlive you, that is going to happen. You're younger. God, we can't we can't even talk about that. Now, let's not talk

about that. Let's not talk about death, because actually, our guest today stars in a show about death in many ways, and life and life and love and love the story of Titanic is one of death, life, and love. Rule of culture number nineteen twelve, which is the year that it's saying of Culture number nineteen twelve, Life and Love. Our guest is someone who I said earlier before you came in here. Matt has sort of set tent poles for the culture at the most critical periods. Yes, yes,

she has. She has. I am willing to admit before we bring her on, admit it that we did not see the famed legendary Colors of the Wind video, which every BFA graduate between the years two thousand and nine and twenty twenty two has seen. Yeah, I don't have a b FA, you do. I have a BFA, but in dramatical, which is something musical theater BFA's. Every musical theater FFA from the years two thousand nine and twenty two has seen this video Colors of the Wind. Yeah.

People think because of my musical theater personality that I have a BFA in musical theater, but I only have the personality of a musical theater BFA, right, and dramatic writing BFA is just there's a little bit more more typing. Well, I'm the most exciting dramatic writing BFA of all time. It's true. As rule Culture number six, Matt rob Rogers is the most exciting dramatic writing BFA of all time. Our guest is Iconica Jones. Iconica Jones very well name.

You have seen her in special on Netflix. You've seen her in Maybe Sister Act in the original Broadway cast. Um, she was in a very straight production of South Pacific. She just told me. But currently but currently hashtag currently starring as Celine dion In. I mean, we said it on this podcast, and we say it a lot. The best show in best can see Ti Tannique, the funniest

show in New York period point blank. But like to say nothing of the singing and the writing, the production, every everything about it will make you feel so good. And I tell everyone that I talked to they have to go see Titsanique. And then it was as if fate struck one night. It was as if fate struck one night when I was on Late at Night with

Seth Myers. I loved the program that comes from actually right after this night show right every night except for the weekend, and the musical guest was Titanique, and I said, I know that right now, and the words of Brooke Ashley and CARDI B I know that's right by the way, Brook Ashley the brook Ashley. Her recaps have been popping off every single week, every week, and also I will say I have to let the readers down. We don't

watch vander Pump, but we will start. I'm start Heidi at work is like I'm going to start watching because of all this drama. Now I'm like a me too. Can we always call Heidi Gardner Heidi at work? Heidi at work to come back on period? Period? I want her and I go together, yes, yes, yes, romantically, romantically. This is such a moment in time. We love her so much. Oh my gosh, she is a true paragon

of talent. So pull yourself from champagne, get a glass of red wine and sit back and enjoy it because we don't have a minute to spare. This isn't the words of brook Ashley. Please welcome, here we go. Oh my god. I am literally crying tears. No one has ever introduced me like that. I don't deserve that. Yes, this is people. People often say that about themselves. You know what I say, Get on the mushrooms and go to this as a concert. You're right, look at yourself.

You receive us on onshi. Oh my god, holy hell, are you receiving right now, I am I just received that introduction receiving. Oh my god, Oh I'm so jealous. I'm so jealou It was it was wonderful. It was a wonderful concert. Oh my god. I mean I saw instagrams too, and I was like, God, what I would give to be on shrooms. It was right now? Yeah. And I mean also like she came out at the end, and you know, she's like a New York local and just a New York local, hik. They got her for

real cheap. But she came out she said this, it's so meaningful to be in this room. I grew up in Jerseys um. And then she said, I think this is really funny. She said, I went to school near here here, which we can all say here you went to ny I was at NYU dramatic writing graduate. And I'm the most exciting of all time. Okay, I got that part where you go, oh my god, is that where you guys became the first sort of encountered. That's right. But you were not dramatic. I was not dramatic. You

were just pure drama. I was I was just getting drama. I was drama. You gave drama. Sometimes, when did I give drama? I don't know, Like I guess I remember ever give drama? You really were not the drama I did. The only thing I did tangentially related to NYU theater was I was the voice of God in our friend Colin Cordposse's ETW senior piece. I guess he's sort of talking about giving drama in terms of an acting thing, and I'm very much talking about I wasn't even doing that. No,

you really weren't. But I just knew you as so I was get this. There was a time in Bowen Yang and I his friendship where I was closer with other people. At one point I was closer with like Billy Domino, your roommate than you, and so I would sort of hear both sides of like minor roommate confidence, y'all, like this person didn't do the dishes that night, that kind of thing being in the drama. Now, I also went to drama school and every single person hooked up.

May I ask you if that happened amongst our community? No? No, And there were there was crossover. Oh, I mean we talked about this when Stephanie's shoe was on there was like, oh yeah, there was a fun little like Matt was in the sketch group. I was in the improv group, and there was like there were like a couple of fun little dalliances across the crossover love it and also

intra group dating as well. Yes, intra group dating. I mean, but with the thing with like being in drama school and the fucking that happens in there, that certainly was happening with an ny U tish all the time. Where where did you go to school? Tell the reader, Cincinnati College Conservatory of Music, because that's university. Yeah it's one. Yeah, it's like the Harvard or Yale of Musical Theater in the butt crack of Cincinnati, Ohio. Yeah. I called it

gay sleepway camp. Every person was gay and if you weren't, you were Did you have gay? By May? The phrase oh yes? And I think you know what was really frustrating. I was gay by me? Were you did you come in straight? I came in straight, came in right, and the iconic cold wait until June I told, yeah, no, I couldn't. What happened was so I account being gay by mey is if you tell anyone? And I told two girls on my floor shout out to Alexandria Toko

and Katie Vincent, and they were they were fabulous. But I told them that I was gay around let's call it February March, so I was gay technically by by Yeah, yeah, congratulations. It was a huge step forward. I think I needed to be good. I think I needed to come out. You needed to come out, but you came out before I did. Well, that's loaded. It's loaded. There's a lot of contexts there. That's miss. I'm getting sort of weaved in and out of gay the same. Really you Yeah. Oh.

I came into college. I was like, I'm here, I'm queer and nobody else's so I'm going back in the sh okay and I was like, I'm going to try this out. A tour of the Drowsy Shop Rone. No, wow, now were you? Were you Sutton or Beth Level I was neither. I was a part that no one remembers name Kitty Yeah. Yeah, she's like the stupid one. And it was my first it was my first thing and I was like, huh, this is my first national tour and my first dabble in bisexuality. And it went okay.

It went exactly how you think it would go, where I was like, I dated this guy, and I was like, this is I'm ever been more bored in my entire life. Yeah, I have to. We're also in Utah. This is the most boring episode of my life. I gotta get out of both of these things. Wow, straight man and Utah? What is this one of the bad scenes from Real House of Salt Lake City? What is a scene with John Barlow and Seth Marks talking about wow? Wow, Wow? This is okay. This is the thing that I quickly

wanted to bring up. There are videos of Marla with Brian Jordan Alvarez. Yes, oh, that are just so fucking funny. Some of the best, some of the best. But this is the first time I saw you and I was like, who is that. It's a video called It's Doll on YouTube. I believe it's called how to Tell If Someone's Gay and it's Marla and Brian are talking. The first line is Brian goes. I'm sure this is an Atlett. Maybe it was written with Brian Goes and that's how my

mom got out of jail. And then Dory Potter walks out as this guy in their apartment building, and Brian's like, oh, that's my neighbor. I was though he is kind of cute, but I can't tell if he's gay. And then Marla goes, this is so annoying that I'm just like repeat please because I actually don't remember. Yeah, So Marlo goes, I'll find out, Hey, you come here, and then Doric comes over. What's up? Um? I like your shirt? He goes, oh, yeah, yeah,

it's fun like fashion. And then Marle goes, yeah, fashion, and then her face drops and she goes, you like that you gay? And the video and my friend Andrew Farmer and I would would just watch that video over and over all the time and just just just say that all the time, were like, you gay, He'd like that you gay. I would tell Brian all these stories. There was another one that we did about yogurt. I don't know if you one is art. Okay, so it's coming on the show. Yeah, Brian is high art. He's

true high art. Oh yeah, high art. Yeah. So yogurt is based on my time in Cincinnati, Ohio at a Kroger's grocery store. I don't know if you've ever been my friend Jonathan Park's Rammage. Maybe you've heard of him. He was checking out yogurt the grocery store and one of the attendants picks up it the yogurt, and she's like, what is this and he was like, it's yogurt. And she looks at it with this knowing smile and she was like, so this is yogurt. Where do you get this?

And he was like in the dairy section and she was like, huh, I'm gonna have to try this out. Thank you so much. I'm try'n try that. She walks in the grocery store. You don't think that was like a performance piece, or if it is its performance art yet. Yes, I'm sorry. She was trying to sell it. Maybe that's like part of her job. It was like to be that woman in the aisle of I mean, have you heard of this yogurt? Looks good, that's really good. I don't think it was any of that. I think it

was somebody who worked there. I've never seen or heard of yogurt seeing it for the first time, genuinely shook by the contents of yogurt, doesn't know where it is in the grocery store. Oh where did you get that? Yeah? Yeah, I get this day and that's all the video is, right, it's yeah, you're literally retelling of that. Yeah, but it's forty seconds long. Pre TikTok, pre Instagram, bade, previne, Brian sitting on the couch, Marla at the fridge taking out

an empty fridge, taking out a yogurt, going what is there? Yeah, it's the same, exactly the same exact thing. I just want to say, yeah, Okay. So our friend, who I won't name because I don't want to put them on blast, this reminds me of a story that she told where she was at a party with Cape Lanchat. She was at a house party with Cape Blanchet. You know what I'm talking. So our friend is in the kitchen by herself,

like making a drink by herself. The door blows, hoping Kate Blanchet Academy Award winner Cape Lanchat Lydia Tar pre Tar coming out but earlier last year, storms up to her, gets very close to her face and goes, do you

know what this is? And holds up a bottle. It's a bottle of vermouth, and our friend says it's vermouth, and Cape Blanchet says, but how do you know that what And our friend says, well, it says it on the bottle it says for amouth, and Cape Blanchet says, oh, I can't read that at all and leaves stop it. I'm telling you, I think that that is such an active and even the person who checked out at the grocery store, that is like a beautiful acting exercise, even

just a discovery of like, yeah, what is that? We would have learned that at acting how to discover? How to discover, discover honest discovery is what is that? Yeah? And even that wasn't that good? But it's so hard to do, very hard. I'm a discovery first of all. Like, okay, so when you had graduated this school CCMD, CCM, c CCMD, like I can see like who would be really would be really good at the start of ccmd MD Hilary Duff, Yeah,

oh yeah, yeah, Hulu is on board. Yea. Um do you feel at the end of CCM you're like, okay, yes, I'm ready, Oh my god. Absolutely we were trained to be musical theater, film bought robots. Assassins, assassins, assassins. I mean, did you feel the same way. I mean, I walked up being like, if I don't get a job in literally six months from now, yeah, I'm going to SOS, which I thought was shoot on site. I thought shoot on site. Here I am choosing violence. Literally, yeah, honestly, wait,

that is shoot on site. No, it is save our ship. We have to get so much better. Can you confirm Google? Please confirm whether or not, and then not shoot on site because it will be so me to be like so strong and wrong positive that it save our ship. And then all of a sudden we find out it's shoot on site. That was the internal voice literally saying word for word, if I don't get a job in six months, I'm gonna ask. Yeah, I'm literally ann ss okaya. Wow.

Actually I'm so glad it's not shoot on site. Could you imagine me too, because that's just not energetic. No, no, it's violence. But we came out as violent musical theater robot. Yeah. Yeah, ready to take over New York by storm. Yeah, but we were primed to do so. I mean, but the colors of the wind thing is a perfect example of like someone singing that. No, it's not even singing badly, it's Josh Sharperd Aaron Jackson explain it perfectly. It's the

game of this is she makes a choice. Every choice is the wrong one. Yes, yes, and that is perfect. It's a perfect comedy piece in that way. What I love about it so much. To be honest, I think it's the best work I have ever done in my entire life career right now, every night technique off. Thank you so much. But I do think that it was the best work because this was pre I mean, I'm

dating myself, but this was pre everything, pre YouTube. So this became viral by people emailing to a yeah, and then it was like a sasquatch kind of like who is this woman? So then people thought people thought that it was a real forty plus middle aged woman that was doing it. Yeah, forty plus, which l I'm pushing that now, but it was a forty plus woman auditioning

for like Disney cruise lines. So when I started working at Ellen starred us diner, you dropped you worked at a diner earlier star Yeah, yeah, oh my god, Ellen worked there. And so someone one day came up to me and was like, have you heard this woman? This forty plus yr old woman auditioning And I was like, I hate to break it to you, but that did. This is amazing. I'm not a little girl who so then what what did she turn to hand? Like? She was like, oh my god, I'm in the presence of

the yah. She was working. It was she turned a hand and then they would people would make me because you have to wake up. You have to start singing at seven in the morning, like it's like they god, So like on the morning shifts, I would sing Colors of the Wind as that voice, and the tourist would be like, what in the actual hell is going Listen, we're some eggs and some Broadway adjacent vocals. What is this guard back? Yes, that's exactly what it was. Oh

my god. But Colors of the Wind truly is everyone. You must watch it, yeah, because we're I think we're the last people who've seen this. You definitely are. And we watched it too. Watch it isn't that weird. We had never seen it, and like all the entire Fire Island Pines house that we were with, like was well versed in it, and they're like, oh, wait here she goes yeah. Yeah, by the way, And because we were exposed to that, I was so on board immediately with

everything about it. They were like, well, you have to go see Tight Tanique, and then I am. And then I showed up in the front row. Yes, I bought my tickets to Tight Tanique that moment, honestly shout out. And then like I got back and I saw it Tide Tchanique, and I turned to my sister metaphorically because I don't believe it was physically in the presence, but I texted you and I was like, you gotta get down here, yeah, because I knew it would hit hard with you. And then I went on to day techs

right away. Wow. And then Matt and I went I was like matching together and with me, and then it was the hardest I've ever laughed. We were screaming. I am. So you don't understand how much that means to me, because I consider you two to be like some of the funniest people I've ever seen, So for you to say that it was the best time, I will never forget it. I feel stupid that I've only seen it twice. But then I honestly, okay, So what happened was my

parents had come in. I think maybe it was for the fire Island premiere or something something was happening and they were in town and I was like, I think I have to take them to a matinee. But then I was like, you know what, I'm just gonna buy you guys tickets because I feel like if I go again, they're gonna be like no, Like you can't be back the third time this soon you can. What's crazy? I was telling Bowen, it's like a gay football game. There was a little guy in there was some very enthusiast

stick a fan in the front right the other day. Yeah, and like when we were all doing the thing along at the end, he was like, great job. I've seen this fifteen times. It's like it's like Rocky Hart. Yeah. I said that, Yeah, yeah, it's been It's been crazy because you're never going to see the same show twice. Yeah, because when I did, I did musical theater for like a decade before. I was telling Bowen this before the show before, I was like, I can't do this anymore.

I gotta get out right. You do the same thing in musical theater eight times a week. It's too much. And so now we have this beautiful part where I get to improv and do whatever the hell I want. And because it's so balls to the wall insane, people never know. But you're never going to get the same show twice. Yeah, that's so funny. I was talking to John Riddle and he was saying the same thing, like he was very disillusioned with the musical theater of it all.

Not to speak for him, but like, no, please, I feel like I feel like you don't really get the opportunity to do something that feels as alive as this correct and that is like before I saw that show, I remember feeling like I saw Into the Woods and your show Titanique concurrently two nights in a row, and that was the first time I had felt really excited, like l was the pandemic, but I had seen other theater and I was just so I felt drained because

I came in like really excited and wanting to experience it again, but everything was feeling really stale to me. Yeah, and so I feel like you don't get the opportunity always to not only see but perform material that feels so fun and that the audience is really there with.

And it did feel like a great marriage of like great Broadway caliber theater and you know, comedy, especially in that space, which was the old UCB at the time, you know, but it felt like that perfect marriage that honestly made me fall in love with the type of comedy I wanted to do, you know that we did back in the day because Bone and I did musical

comedy kind of exclusively there for like a few years. Yeah, musical comedy is like the best kind of comedy, and in my opinion, if you get it right, like it's there's nothing more transcendent than that. Yeah, it's like the art of singing combined with comedy. I mean, we always said of Ti Tanique, we were like, we wanted to be like a musical snl, Like we wanted to be

like hard accomedy. Yeah. And I think one of the things that made is successful is that when we were doing it in Los Angeles, I moved out to LA I was like struggling writing for years, and I was like, well, I guess I'm going to wind up at this other dinner theater where I'm going to perform while people are eating French fries and fish and red sauce, and and we wrote this and I think that I think the beauty of it is that we didn't have producers at the time, so we were like, let's just go ball

to the wall, let's make each other laugh. What is funny to us? Right, and so it exceeded all of my expectations when we then took it to New York to be like is this funny or is this just like LA funny? Because you know there is a difference right there. Okay, so because you've said this, like is this just LA funny or is it also New York funny? Like do you have a sense of like what that difference is now? Or Well, when we were in Los Angeles, so we were doing all these movie to musical parodies

in LA. So were with Constantine, That's where I reconnected with him. We were doing like Devil Worse product or Beverly Hills Scream and LA loved it because there's no musical theater in Los Angeles, right, and so this was very It was a movie, so everyone from LA could get it because it's such a film based town and there was pop songs and it was kind of like ratchet and grungy, and so people loved it. But New

York is completely different. Yes, there are jukebox musicals but like there's a high level of taste and you know what people are exactly. So when we were when we started doing Titanique in Los Angeles, I was like, maybe this could work in New York. But we all have absolutely no money, We're so poor. So I asked everyone to fly to New York on their own time, put themselves up do a week of readings in New York just to see if it was like worthwhile and if

we could even sell it out. And we sold it out, and then in that week, David Foster's manager came, so then he got David Foster there, and Eve a Price, the Broadway producer, came and in like one week everyone it was like divine intervention, like the stars aligned. Everyone came on board and we really we made it a thing. So is it a thing? Where? Because I have had this question because you guys, like for those of you out there who haven't at this point at least googled

it or didn't know already. It is a jukebox musical of Selene Dion's music, telling the story of Titanic as if it was from Selene Dion's perspective, if she was on the show. Correct it's completely unhinged, insane, and it was told by Selene Dion songs, So was there any like I guess David Foster coming as him being like, Okay, how are they using a lot of the songs that I've written, because he wrote and composed a lot of those.

He wrote a lot of those. So what we had to do is we had a music lawyer come this is like Minutia, but we were doing it in these spaces that had like ascap licenses over all the songs, so we didn't have to buy the rights to the songs. But when this was becoming a professional thing, when we were going to do it in the theater, then we had to get a music lawyer, and so we did

lose a couple of the songs. We lost all coming back to me now, I was wondering that was like the thing because that's Jim Steimon and that was written for meat Low. Yeah, we lost power of Love because Selene Dion didn't originally sing that. Wow, we lost that's the way it is to Anne Juliet, which is the their Max Martin, which, by the way, I did see Anguliet. I liked it very very much. I recommend everyone see and Juliette it's a blast. Yeah, it's a blast, just

to give another shout out. And yet I never walked away. I never had the thought walking away from the show going. I wish they had sung like that handful of songs nothing hearing about it, because I cried coming back to me because that was the original way into the world. See what else do I remember? And yeah, So we had to change things, and we had to put Thankfully, she has so many iconic hits and they're all so theatrical that we could put anything in there and it

would work. But we did have to do like some you know, jigsaw puzzles with with the songs in order to make it work, even the ones that feel more b side to say, like I rediscovered I Surrender Believe that's like maybe my top three songs. By the way, shout out Kelly Clarkson singing that un American idol for me first ever hearing that, Like she sang I Surrender and it was like the top four, and I was like, what the fuck is this song? It builds, build builds,

It is really good. But that even like seduces, seduces, I didn't know if any of that, I considered myself like someone that knows Selene, but I was like, what is this? And then I was like, oh, it seduces me, which you don't think. Cut Deep Cut. We had The Show Must Go On, which was is that Freddie Mercury? We had that, and then we were like, oh, people are going to be too confused. Sure, sure, so, I mean all of the songs, the fact that we have cleared Beauty. We got Beauty in the Wild, I know,

that's that's a wild card to me. We got River Deep and that's in Tina. Oh yeah. I was like, we're not going to get that. Like, there are so many things that I'm shocked that we did get. And I'm so happy that we were able to build a musical because essentially when we first started doing it, we just took the song totally. Yeah. Yeah, we were just like, let's do it for fun, not think it well. I mean, in the back of my head, I was like, wouldn't this be so fun if it like just became a thing.

But you know that thinking that and then that becoming reality are like so separate and what it actually does happen. It's just like it's mind blowing. What's mind blowing is the bridge between now at being a huge hit and like the story you tell of like you and constantly just like after a show or at a bar or something, just being like him being like, what if it's like Titanic but told like but it's it's a juke box

cling Dion music. But we were we were doing dinner theater in Los Angeles and it was like after like Scream, and we were like both like a little bit tipsy, and he's like, Okay, the next thing that we should do here is Titanic with all Celin Dion songs. It's one of those ideas that comes along and you're like, well that can possibly work. Yeah, the muse strikes. But because like Constantine l yeah, Star, yeah Star. Love him so funny and a really really nice Yeah, great guy.

He says the same about you, by the way. I was like, give him my best. They love him so much. I adore him. Yeah, yeah, he feels the same. Well. When he told me that idea, I was like in my head, I was like cool, cool, cool, tight, never gonna happen. He was like, you'll be selin. I was like no, I won't. I was like this will never happen. And we're actors in Los Angeles. We can't get together for lunch, let alone write a musical. See you in

five years. And but we started, We just started writing it for fun, it was, and we would write in Constantine's apartment on Monday, literally for fun. This whole thing was but all the best things. Yeah, and it can just be that it can and you forget, you forget that it can just be that it can just be jamming out. But at the time we were, I was like I had no money, completely unemployed, no prospects, and so I was like, oh, I guess I'll just and writing.

I was writing so much, selling things, but making like no money, just like crumbs. And I was like, oh, I guess I'll just do this thing and I'll just waste a bunch of time on this too. So the fact the fact that what is ironic to me after moving to Los Angeles to be a writer, that I the only thing that I've ever gotten up off the ground is a musical when I left musical theater. It's just it's just so ironic. It finds you. Yeah, it's really, I mean, you're meant to do what you're meant to do.

I think, yes, you know, you were at sea, and then this like you know this thing literally literally a yes, front runner, this is the thing that I want to bring up, and the thing about Titanique, and this is probably something that like I took this for granted, we write Iceberg, that sink the Titanic for U S and L. I was like, this will be whatever. Who cares like this. People might not get this, no, no, but we can.

Very briefly I was like I was like, I was like, okay, yeah, I'm sure like people might not get it whatever, And then the reception of it, I was like, wait a minute, of course everyone's gonna get it. It's monoculture, but it is Titanic is like the ultimate monoculture to me, Like people all over the world know this front to back. People all over the world. No Selene Dion front to back.

So it's like they're both Selene and Titanic the movie are both kind of doing the same thing separately and together where it's like this thing that people and that is universally known, appreciated and love. Everyone can put themselves into it. I have I have Titanic material too. It's real it's really, it's really In fact, my first screen test for SNL, I did a Titanic bit, which was this gay guy on the Titanic while it's friends, they should not have booked this cruise, oh he wanted, which

had enough lifeboats and also much better nightlife. That's really good, and so like he's like the Titanic is literally sinking and he's so cold. We have one line that's like, because we all own tech styles, we have the money. I don't know why were and because they're in third class because they heard that's where the hot guys were.

That's really good. What I love about Titanic and Celindon is that is a ven diagram of both like yes, heteronormative yes yes, and complete camp homosexual cause as well, right yes, And so that's why I think it really touches the lives of truly everybody, everybody. And it was before a time when people were like questioning whether or not that was okay. It was just because it was monoculture and it was everyone. The gays were seeing it

and getting the camp of it. Yeah. I mean, I don't think anyone will ever forget where they were when she turned around in that fucking hat had already been born. She's already an ostagronominee at the point, like people knew who she was. That was a superstar moment. Oh my god. Notice I say nothing about Leo and but because because we're gays, it is about her, and it's about the song and it's about all that, and it's a little bit about twink Leo. Yeah, but not really for the straights.

Leo took over the culture in such a huge aggressive way that like in your queer brain you're like, okay, but what's the other thing? Yeah, like, what's fringe from? Yeah, and it's the hat. It's the hat, and it's the course. It's seen, Oh my god, the Corse, It's seen the best scene. It was also all of our sexual awakenings, because I feel like we're all kind of within the same age and so I just feel like it's like nineties nostalgia camp straight. It's everything everything, It's Jamie Lee,

it is all of us. Oh my god. By the way, readers, we did fully get into the art on the last episode. At this point, we're probably done talking about it, but we will never be done talking about Oh my god, Well, we didn't say anything that no one else We were more commenting on like cringe culture, which is my culture. Yeah, that's what I learned when that happened. I was like, I live for cringe culture. That is defining culture for me. Yeah,

that is it. Yeah, well, I mean the number one moment in culture history on the on our top two hundred moments of culture is a same It's the most euphoric moment of all time. Yeah, yeah, which isn't even quite cringe. It's just like impacted everyone in the exact same way. It is pure star Tonin to think about, like that moment, I'll never forget. I was sitting in my living room with a Manish I will never forget.

To never forget. I was sitting in a living room in Parks Up with Manishackman and he came out and I thought the joke was, oh, John Travolta is sort of giving their hesitation for this like iconic gay song. I was like, this is already funny to me. And then when he said Adela Ziem, I just screamed. And then when they cut to Adena, oh that face terror terror, and you know she already was feeling shook about having to sing it in the first place, Oh my god.

Second place, that was defining cringe cold. I mean for me, it's like knowing that she has to sing this really difficult song she has struggled with live was it let it go? Let it go. That's a tough one, and I'm sorry, like just appearing as he did and singing, and del does see that a little with the confidence. It's the confidence that yeah, I'm sorry. This goes to what you were asking me, like, what is defining culture for you? And I thought long and hard about it,

and OK, let's go into it. Just it's a great segue, please, because I never even realized the term cringe culture. But that's okay. I'm going to go back to like watching

old reality TV shows. When it first came out, there was a show called Hey Paula, I don't know if you show yeah, when she is asked to choreograph the Bratstall to a movie and the pen ultimate episode is that it falls apart and she's no longer going to be on it and she starts crying as if her dog, her town, her family has been stabbed, murdered, and burnt to a crisp. And that to me was That's when I knew that something was wrong inside of me because it was so cringe e and so that it just

brings it full circle. Yeah. I that was the defining moment where I was like, I am obsessed with cringe culture. Wow, show Girls, Antelbassetted, the thing, all of that. I cannot get enough. I know where you're a fan of the Office. No, okay, so so that what is that cringe culture though? Because that's like, yes, so maybe you'd love the television. I probably would. Sometimes it makes me so uncomfortable that I

can't watch things right. But when things are delivered with such confidence right, it's like it's like a glitch in my patriot. It's like I explode inside the ultimate sort of comedy. Sorry, not getting I'm getting a little academic.

Is like I always think of it as like there's an error and stimulus, something is being you're being stimulated by something that is wrong, yes, And some people can really withstand that, and some people really can't, can't even watch it, can't even be in the room, like cringe culture drives them up the wall. But then some people spin the cringe culture like I don't know if you've seen Elizabeth Berkeley on Instagram. She's come out with a whole new line of merch I know a lot about

Elizabeth Berkeley on Instagram too. Yeah, she's released a new line of hats that say like verses and all these things, and she's really really taking it to the next level. When you know, like when this came out, when show Girls came out, and I'm sure that she if there was a Twitter, she would have deleted it so early to Ariana, do you know what I mean? But now she's just like again, she's like, it's a receive us and she's like, Okay, I receive that. I'm taking it.

I'm turning it into something beautiful. Yes, and honestly, like what I will commend if not Arianna the most, then at least her team about is the very quick pivot too. It is funny, yeah you know what I mean, Like because but they didn't think good. It's like what Diana did when Diana came out, being like it is campy. Yeah, right, it is campy. It's like did you did we all think I don't think that that's intention. I think it's

played as seriously as possible. And then when we all start to catch on and it becomes meme culture and then they're like, oh, okay, this is actually what it is, right see, and like at least there's an element of it that can be celebrated in this way, whereas other things when they're just bad, like you almost wish they leaned into like a kid. Yeah, cringe moment. Like correct, I'll say it, like think is why not I did see Bat Cinderella. Oh my god, I want to see

it so badly. It reminds me of Wonderland. Yeah, I did see it. Um. I saw actually the second night it was on. I really wanted to go the first night because I wanted to be on the ground. One talk about wanting to do shrooms and seeing anything. For me, it's that it's Bat Cinderella. I don't know. And you know what all I had was like a dirty Shirley and it really should have been more shrooms. Yeah. But I will say this, like, okay, go off. And if this this has nothing to do with any performer in

the show. They all really are great and committed and I love Grace McLean and like I love Carolee Carmelo and they're star and everyone's so good. It's just like Andrew Lloyd Weber at his most like limp. Yeah, so it's just like you've heard all these like messes of notes together before and like and the story really doesn't go anywhere interesting. And I feel bad because like, so

would you call it camp? I actually wouldn't, And I almost think I think they're trying for camp, and I think the performers want it to be camp, but the material is just not really camp because I don't believe it was written with the intention of bad and this is the thing and that is camp right in the conversation of about camp, which is like I think like has been especially relevant since like that Matt Gala year.

Yeah yea so perfect example is Celene Right. It's like something that is executed in bad taste but presented with the confidence of it being good taste. Right, That is I think what is pretty fundamental. And so Angela Bassett did the thing. It was it was like a performance of like this is good. Yeah no, it was not meant to be this correct. It is not aware of

it being bad. And and bat Cinderella, it sounds like they're trying to like it's the cycle now is very short between like putting something out there and then quickly course correcting, meaning like oh, actually no, we we we meant for this to be right a little bit. It's it's not camp. It's just not very good. And I feel like the performers are maybe even trying to and really almost succeeding and like fooling the audience into thinking

that like it's camp. But but their performances are also good. Right, it's just like a good performance of bad material. Yeah, so that that's not camp. What is, honestly, and I would say what is camps? Like Colors of the Wind, Marla, what the kids doing? Pattycake? It's the ball's bouncing up and down. That's literally it's literally like this is yeah bad, and it's us pretending on stage that it's good. And then you fool people at Allen starters being like who

is this woman? Who example yea, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, I am camp? I am yea say it? I mean is like tique is high camp? It's camp because like you know, just even the way, like the way that you sing certain notes, like people wouldn't do that because they wouldn't because it's not written to do that, but you do it. And we understand it's a reference to Selene, but also like an intentional heightening of the moment and

a blowing out of it. Also just like the anachronisms everything. Yeah, the fact that it's like and Selene Dion was of course on the ship. You know that's wrong. You know what I mean, It's just not true. And so that to me is like falls under the definition and knows itself. Yes, yes, you know what I mean, like one must know thyself. It's actually culture number fifty nine, one must know thyself. The Oracle and the matrix. I believe it was the

Oracle that said that. First. Okay, this is random, and I just want to touch on it briefly. Do you did you ever see Andrew Lloyd Webber DJ with Countess Luan. That's that is like the ultimate meme? Yes, yes, okay, great, I just want to I mean, that is that is like a moment that is like, oh, that's fun, Like he must know what this image is. Maybe he doesn't mean maybe, But the thing is I'm confused about Andrew

Lloyd Webber, you know what I mean. I'm confused about it, and like maybe it's I just never meant to get it and won't get it. But like him posing with

the Countess. Here's the thing about the Countess. The Countess does not camp because the Countess goes out there and is like every time they drag her on like real house, is that a reunion or something for being a bad singer, she gets really hurt and offended, and it's like, so you don't know that you're not great, and she'll say things like I mean, I'm not Whitney Houston but she's and it's like no, no, no, you you cannot sing, and and that's okay. Like I went to the show.

I had an amazing time. I said this after I saw Countess. She is a star. Yes, she holds the room right love, but even when she gets vomited on right like that moment and that no there is video, No, I actually have severe vomit phobia. So I'm so you wouldn't have liked me in Sydney. I threw up in an uber at thirty three my last day. You got so drunk. I was so drunk and like jet last and also like I'm doing great now, but it wasn't. It wasn't my best month of my life. And so

like I sort of went for it. One night in Sydney. I was rotating Margarita's espresso martinis and I'm telling you, mad, this poor uber drive in Sydney, like I swear to god, I've never been so humiliated in my life. And then especially me walking in shirtless because I ruined a great tank talk to my hotel and they say, sir, you can't come in here like that. And I turned to them and I do remember this. I said these words verbatim. Oh my god, I don't want to be like this.

Oh my god, that is write that. But yeah, ruined, ruined at least that man's night. But I did zell him. By the way, this is also so funny with me being like, do you have zell and the four hundred dollars? Okay, that's actually really so so sorry. Yeah yeah, yeah, so drunk and so sorry. My whole Sydney experience so drunk and so sorry. Oh my god. But like when in Sydney, when it truly I mean it's a drinking town, it was. Yeah, they drink hard, oh my god, and they party untiled.

Everything's open until like six or seven in the morning. Is that true? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was a family. It was too wholesome when I went recently, but oh my god. In Melbourne there's a place called Pufftuff, which is it's like, oh, they have like a pop room on like Saturday nights. You go, you stay until like six or seven in the morning. It is incredible. It's like three stories of just music and dancing and people go off. Yeah. Yeah. Ty Sunderland was in World

of course. Of course a lot people were down. There was a puffy It's so fun. Are you going out after shows? Never? I'm a zombie may rot. I call it rotting. I literally rot until the sunset and the night and then I do the show. That's so funny. I just talked to John Riddle who's on vacation, and he described what he was doing on vacation. Yeah. Yeah, that is the perfect descript that's me on Sundays. Yeah, yeah,

I cannot do anything. The first week, I was like, me and some of the other castmates were like, this is not going to be okay, we're here, this is going to be three months. You guys, we're going out. We're living our lives. We're not getting stuck into the routine of doing hows. A week and going home and doing nothing. Literally, I'm out for a week. I go out for one drink. I get COVID. A week and

half into the show. Oh my god, this Joe closes because I give it to five of my cast members and I am literally it's now eight months and I have never recovered. I do nothing. I cannot go because I was going to ask like that has to be hard. The show's hard. The music is hard. It is the most even for you. You're an amazing son that's getting lost like you are in life. Thank you, please go let that. Yeah, thank you. This is more. This is actually harder and more than Sistruct Suspect I thought was

the hardest singing. Well, I mean the nuns and Sistract had to like scure out to the heavens including me, right, But this is even harder and higher and like you know, the riffier than that. But it's not so much the singing. It's just the energy that's Selene because you have to bring you're inhabiting her and you're doing the what you described as the impression is you're smelling a fart until you go yeah, oh my god. Somebody thought it okay, I think it was me. Yeah, that's it. That's it.

The entire time. She's always in disbelief about something and she's always just like looking around. But that's discovery, discovering. Yeah, yeah, but that is you're You're in that for two hours. Yeah. And I don't have any lines with any other cast members. I don't know how. I I'm narrating the whole thing and so and my scene partner is the audience. So it's like so much energy and you're info dumping and

oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, it's info wars. It's actually I want to know what is the what is the most fun song to sing that you guess the most excited about still, and what is the most difficult song that you get the most like trepidation. Oh my god. The first twenty minutes of the show, I want to ss myself. Oh my god. The first I'm Alive, which is the easiest song of hers to sing, and then Taking Chances, which is the highest song of hers to sing. The first time minute, yeah it is, I want to die.

I am so nervous that I am shaking. And the first one every single show enter I enter, Oh my stage fright is I have musical theater mental illness, and I'm very open about that. I suffer from such horrible stage fright that I am like shook for the first twenty minutes. Once I get through Because You Loved Me, which is in the second act, and then I have to sing the hardest songs, which are I Surrender and My Heart Will Go On. Those are a piece of cake,

but I have to get through. Oh, also the bridge of to Love You More, you know, when it is so high. Yeah, they're all they're actually all so so not for nothing. But whoever is singing, I think it's the Barber track is maybe I thought it was Kathy Age, but now I sing that top part hard that whenever we're like lip sinking it, which happens a lot. Yeah, I always like this. Yeah it is cool cool. Yeah, yeah, like the sound has to go through your top of

your head. Yeah, every one is singing from our show. We call it laser Cat. It's like here's here. Yeah my voice is in my third al. Yeah, I mean that's what you want. No, it's great, it's great. That's that's CCM that everyone's a laser cat rightings like this? Yeah, I mean, like I remember like when you grow up on like pop music, right and you're listening to like Celendon, who sounds that repose. It sounds like she is screaming belting. Yeah, but it's just like a powerful sounds can make. But

it's so easy. And then you go to like see live theater and everything. I remember like when I first saw like Wicked, it was like it had to be lament cast. I was like sixteen years old and the alphabet insulted us when she literally went like I saw like a Wednesday matinee and it was it was so

limp dick. It was bring me down. When I'm like, I was so like I was like ready to soss in that moment and so but I was just like yeah, but I guess like you do have to have those moments where you're like, sorry, y'all, I'm healthy right now. A few experiencing it on my tour, like it's like, you know, it's hard to be hard and if you can't do it, if I am not feeling at least nine, well then I can't do the show. Like you can't be sick, no, because if I was, I would rather

I would sos myself on stage. I would call out of the show. If I had to go at the end of my kid, Yeah, like that is just that's a crime. You can't arrest, you know what the stuff. Someone could come to me on the street and punge me in the face and I could sue and I can't. I have no course of legal action for what happened, which is worse. That is awful, Like I have no there's no I've met with lawyers. I'm like that, what

can I do? Because part of me was like, if I knew any better, if I was like demand game now, I might have marched to the box office. And for what she just Also, it was the funny for Stephanie J. It so I didn't even get Stephanie J. Get Stephanie J into the woods. But she was great. The understudy was fantastic. Stephanie J is like me, that's like the pinnacle for me. Yeah, she's like the pen ultimate come on,

And I mean, so get this the greatest voice. It was supposed to be Stephanie J. Block and Annalie Ashford, and we got Annalie Ashford who was stunning. Yeah, and Tuesday, I'm going to know for um and I'm going to see Sweeney on Tuesday. Good I heard that it's Annelie's show. I can't I can't wait. I'm so jealous of the amount of theater that you see. This just buys. Every day I get stoned and I just buy tickets. So tonight I'm seeing Jessica Chastain In's House. Tomorrow, I'm seeing

Sweeney Todd. Wednesday, I'm seeing Ben in Parade. Oh my god, I'm seeing Camelot with and then oh Saturday, and before I go SNL, I'm gonna see Betty who oh. And then I'm gonna go to SNL starring Bow and Yang with host. Oh my god, he's got a good week. Yeah, getting birthday week. Yeah. Well this is why I mean like whenever I I mean whatever, I but like, I've gone through some things and so I was just like, you know what, how do I get out there and be busy and do things I enjoy? And it's theater

for me, Like I love. I'm telling you. Like when I saw Tight Tanique, it did something to my spirit. Yea, it really did like defined my summer. Seeing that show. I was like this all like is coming into view, Like it was like it was amazing and we wore our hats. It was like a ten pole in time for me, Like I remember that summer. I'll think about that summer. I'll be like, oh, Fire Island came out

and we went to go see Titanique. Yeah my god, yeah, like those are the things from that summer for ye Tique. And also we were so busy that to then like have a moment where we just like literally enjoy ourselves. And also I will say to be in that space felt so cool. And now you can't go to the

theater anymore. But I was like, Wow, they really found a way to use this space for the power that it has, which was I always felt like the reason why it created such great actors when when UCB was occupying that space was because you could do something really small and they would feel it everywhere, you know what I mean. Yeah, I used to go all the time. Oh my gosh, I used to take improv classes, and when I actually did have a life, I would go from Cinderella to like go watch like a UCB show

and I was like, yeah, it was. It was wonderful. R I p UCB. The only thing that happened that was shitty to us is when Gristiti's closed before UCB did. All the rats came down to the Yeah. Yeah, in that little hallway. Oh yeah, that was wretched hall Yeah, that's where our dressing rooms were, and we would have to pack up our set every single night. And so it was like us and the rats. Oh my god, I mean talking about yeah, but I literally was about Cinderella.

It was me and Okay. So then like you were you were done with that? Yeah, we were done. And then Daryl roth As is like amazing and beautiful and I do have a special announcement to share. Yes, we have been officially extended till September tenth. I complaining that's incredible. We just go on and on and on. Rose she is, Oh my god, can I just say something she Have you ever met her before? She is the kindest, loveliest person.

Her voice is incredible, She's attaining, incredible dancer. She has been the most gracious, wonderful, humble person, such a beautiful addition to the castle. I cannot say enough great things about her. She is she's so so good and she is so grateful to be a part of it. And she was like this is like a new chapter for me doing theater, Like I didn't think I would do it, and I was like, this is your path right now. It's saying like do theater. So just like stay here

and like have fun. Yes. I remember when when Rose won the Rusical Rue said to Rose, like it's just really amazing zing when you get to see people do what they were born. Yeah. Yeah, And I was like that's so real. I mean, like they do have such a powerful stage presence, and like you know the thing about like drag races, just because you get on that,

you don't necessarily get the opportunity to main talent. And so like you know, of course, you know Rose being a finalist like got to do all these different types of challenges and stuff, but you don't necessarily know that you're gonna get a season that's like heavily reliant on what your skill is and like to even make it that far, because you might flop into design challenge or a can challenge and not get to sing. It happens

sometimes hard. You don't find out someone's really good at something until like after the show or like a second All Stars thing or whatever. You know. Monai Exchange. We didn't hear the opera sound until yeah, yeah. Are you watching Drag Race this season? Of course? Yeah, it's getting fun. Like yeah, now that like we're down to like the final seven, I'm like, okay, Like the narratives are very fun and I like that they're willing to be villains again. Yeah.

Mistress being mistress is giving twenty three year old energy. I love No, I know, I love it too. Of course you're twenty three. She's like she's twenty she's twenty three, or she's like twenty five young young girls makes me want to die. No, no, no, it's fun. But I like it's that like Zoomer millennial Cusp thing where she's like I'm gonna be like chaotic. Yeah yeah yeah, which is like great, bring it back. It's gonna be. I mean like if the top three four is, I think

it's probably gonna be. I mean for me, when I saw that lip sync with Sashakle, Sasha Koby is win right, Yeah, I meant fan in me. I am just watching her lip sync that amount of times and technically one one is like whoa, I mean that was a real I love the lip sync. Yeah, yeah, I love Sasha Kolby. I think that she is such a star, and I like that she's one of the older ones too. Yeah, because now I feel so old watching drag Race with like the TikTok listen, okay, hot take. I love Sugar

and Spice. I think that they're so beautiful. I want to if they were women, I would have sex with them. Yeah. I mean they're hot. They loved them loved, But I feel so old watching the show now. Sure, well, because I think the fifteen is kind of reminiscent of season seven, when it was like acknowledging the fact that they were like Instagram. Yeah, this is the first season acknowledge. Ye. Yeah. What's next? I don't know truly nothing nothing. I think

nothing is next. I thinks I thinks soon. Oh man, no, I hope not no, no, no, no, not when I have this like Seison night, not seringer. Do you know about the era? No? What is that? It's you're in your flop era. You're flopping if you're like really evolved, if you're like operating it like power power, your charas are you're on your chard. Don't you know about Pokemon? No?

Because if you know about Pokemon, she wouldn't sort of say char no, no, no, no, we're not making Wait, someone should, someone should create a charo Charo's ard like Charo as a as A as a char Yeah. So basically I think you're in your So I had a flap era. Well I don't don't know why does not imply a flap era, but it just means you're in like a great time. Yeah, okay, great, Yes, this is my Charos era. Yes, yes, yes, you said it. This is my Charos era, Taro's era. Yeah yeah, I like

that in the dairy section what this is? But how do you know? I can't read that at all? That is so good? So do you not read? I think what was intuited was that she wasn't wearing her glasses, right, you know what I mean? By the way, what if she couldn't read Eliah Michelle Parto? I mean, listen, Patrick Dempsey gets his script read to him because yes, every yeah right, just LEXI is real. So, so this is our last episode for the Oscars. Let's discuss watch nothing.

I'm not gonna lie. Really, I've seen nothing. So you've not seen everything everywhere? Well I have seen that. Have you seen Tar? No? I have not, first of all, because everyone's like your tar and know what that means. I don't think you're like, you're giving tar vibes. No, I don't know about that. That's not a compliment. I'm assuming it's not. What part of them that's kind of part of the conversation around Tar is like tar is tar iconica? Or is she okay but in an iconic way? Okay?

But let's give final predictions. Is it Kate Planchet or Michelle yo Oh? I think it's Michelle. I think it's Michelle. I think it's I think everything. I think the Saguin is giving Michelle every Yeah, almost all the precursor she's won. No,

Kate was on a roll of the Critics Awards. She won the Critics Choice Award, she won the Golden Well, they both won Golden But I think that the juice was with Kate and then Michelle winning the sag and then Michelle also winning the Indie Spirit Award for Best Lead Performance, which combines men and women, right right, because the gendered categories are sort of by the way. I'm curious to see when the Oscars do something with that, because it's gotta be coming. There's a campaign for it. Yeah.

The thing about the Tar thing is a lot of like the Mimi discourse around it is like are like jokes that she's like a real person and like Otar is gonna be on Sesame Street whatever you know, like um, And so I think that is kind of like a subliminal thing of like, oh, Cape Blanchet rendered this character so yes in such a way that like people performance genius performance that that people are like she's a real person. It's like slender Man, slender woman. But I think that, like,

this is the way I feel about it. Is there such equally powerful iconic signature individual performances in the way that and the readers are hear me, hear me say this at nauseum. But my thing with the oscars is could anyone else have done it? Like? And then could anyone else have done it this well? And I feel like with both of them the answers, But for me, when it comes to Cape Blanchet, she's got so many wins and nominations already at that ceremony and in her

future you can see that there's so many more nominations. Yeah, I think for Michelle Yo, this is her first nomination after the incredible career storied cinematic worldwide career that she has and I'm sorry, but in the current landscape of the way the film industry is, you don't know that she's going to get another opportunity to have this type of thing. So it's like for me, it's like I understand being a cape Planchet stand and I ride hard

for Cape Planchet. I've said many times our greatest living actor, but you gotta give it to Michelle Yo. For me, I mean, there's for me, it's but we'll see so amazing the performance. It's so amazing the performance. A thing in her campaign has been I've waited my whole career for this script, yes, you know, And like I think she's like knowingly sort of putting out there that like I really gave this my all. This is i mean

not not known. I think there's a huge second win for her, which is so exciting, but I just don't know that you can say, we see this opportunity to give this woman the best actress Oscar and we're not going to do it, like because there's an equally incredible performance, but for someone that already has won twice and likely because of the way that careers like hers go will have maybe even like I compared her career at this

point in her life to Meryl Streep. Mertyle Streep has had many nominations since she was Cape Lynchet's age, and I would put them in the compartable conversation in terms of roles that they're going to play, and let it be known Cape Lynchet will be nominated for more Oscars, and I just think, don't waste this chance to give someone their flowers that has done so much, so incredibly well and means so much to so many people, Like

it's to me, it's a no brainer. I think it's it's a shoe and for Best Picture, because yes, I agree. I mean, well, I haven't seen anything else, but it was truly one of the most revolutionary things and graphic it just masterpieces I've ever seen in my life. You know What's funny, Like I would personally give Michelle Best Actress. I'm rooting for Stephanie for Best support I mean, it's

so cool, but she's an old friend of ours. She's incredible, And I would give Key Best Supporting Actor one hundred percent. And I think it's close for me between and Tar will not win Best Picture. But for me, my favorite movie of the year, it's very close. For me, Everything everywhere, all at once at Tar, like those are my two frolms of the year, the same those are my two favorite movies of the year. Everything Everyone all ons is like this amazing reinvention of a thing that's already felt

like a stale trope in Hollywood, which is like multiverse movies. Yes, like and like even people at Marvel, Like I think I've heard through the grape vine people at Marvel being like they did it better, they did it better. And with Tar, I feel like it's an amazing movie. It's

a great satire in a lot of ways. It's a fantasy about what cancel culture is because because like the way she ends up is not anything that actually happens, has happened to someone in the real world, right, you know, Like literally the ending of the movie is like so funny and shocking us, and you're supposed to be like that. That's that is like truly outland. I mean, I'm going off tonight. I'm off tonight. Yeah you watch Yeah, maybe I'm actually stopping by Ellen start Destiner after this and

then wait to Eat. They do use my name. They do. Of course they do so excited. They have a bucket. They have a tip bucket on the hour, every hour that they go around and they get money from the tourists and the like, and then like we have success stories. Oh they made it Tenny themed Banana split Sunday, So take a picture. Are you going to sing a song? Absolutely not? Yeah, I'm off yeah, actually, and then I'm gonna watch tar. I'm gonna force Connie to do it. Yeah.

It was Connie back from skiing. Yeah. Yeah, and we lived together. Oh my god, non sexual life partner. Where's the pilot? Beautiful? Wait? And also I want to shout out Connie because the sort of first time I saw Connie perform was in Cruel Intentions to the musical, which

does a very similar thing. Yeah, because our friend who I mentioned was swinging and she was on for the Sarah Michelle Geller lead for like a couple of weeks, and so I saw her and Connie do that because he was the Ryan Philippi Yeah, yeah, part And what I love when she told me, which I'm going to ask him as cool if I share this, but he said that a lot of cast members of Cruel Intentions would come to the show, was just talking about this and and he said that Reese Witherspoon when she came,

was like, I can't really look at you because you're might mean too much my ex husband and like actually was actually actually was like you were so great. I can't engage because I guess that was the movie where they met, so like it had to trigger her in like a crazy way. Tara Reid also came. Tary read of the iconic have you seen that video for me? I'm a hot in it? Hot in it, I'm popping it. I'll send it to you. It is still she was like, wow, man,

that was super awesome. Man. He played her as if she was like like a high frapp ro be, Like whoa, man, that was super awesome. Man. You're doing a good Oh really yeah, fashion fashion style. I'll take both and from something we have to move on. I think I don't think so, honey. So this is our big segment really where we take one minute to rail against something in culture that's shopping our fucking ass and not in the chars on we don't stand for it. I have something

okay that I think people can relate to. I really do. Those are the best one relatability is clutch. Clutch a culture number fifty one relatability. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think Sony, his time starts now. I don't think so, honey, when you change the name of the group thread, yeah, because I'm trying to find you guys. And if you change the name of the group thread, like think because

what of my search wards? Where are my girls? You know what I'm saying, especially like you fifthy gays out there like trying to make your little jokes, like I don't know what's topic about the time. I'd have been busy that day. I didn't know that Angela Bassett did the thing is now the name of the group chatting on Twitter. But let me go get to that one on Twitter first, and then I can not it's the group chat. My favorite name of my gay group chat

recently was women Talking. Oh, I wanted to be called women talking. I love when women talk and share information in a group chat, and that's how you move forward. But then the whole I don't think, so honey, when I go back second and it's some reference to something else. And for a while my gay group chat was having a lot of fun with the name Tar and then it was women tarking, and I don't think so, honey that we had to move on from that. Right now it's weather with the Tar Tar thing over the e.

Oh that's crazy as I like, that's crazy weather. I don't think so, honey. Yeah, that is very real. You cannot do that yet I'm about to really just give you a different flavor. Do you know this? I know this, and I think I know who is changing the names in your this group. Sometimes I change it too. Well, then you're oh, then you're just no, No, I can't guess it. If you can't try yourself, how are you gonna drag somebody else? Can I get a name in?

But sometimes I do it. I like consistency, familiarity. I think we have a group chat that's been the same for a while a long time. Yeah, twink cores and now it's just three yeah, because there's there's vernacular whim. We had some bit one day in the chat of like, oh, we're all gonna cored a twin, we get cord, We're gonna get We're gonna get cord. Got it? It depends on what the sexual identity of the group chat at

large is. For a while you were like we are the chord because we were bottoming a lot getting Cord out, and then then we were the thing. It's a sexual thing, it's a game thing. It's a sexual things to disgusting is disgusting. Yeah, and that's one of the rules of culture number two disgusting. Um. And then we have another group chat called the coop. The coop. There's a whole story there, but we're basically a chicken coop. Yes where you got were a coupe that hands and we cluck okay,

love it. Know. Anytime we were about to meet up with it was like, can't wait to club music man, music man. Sometimes little talk a little Yeah, when you when you throw out the feed, that means you're sort of like seeing if the coop is going to come out that night. I love that hands. Do you know pluck can club? I support that being cord. I don't like that. It is upsetting, not in your back house. That is exactly what it is. I do identify as

a gay man. That's exactly what it is. I knew that, Yeah, I knew you were that girl, that girl I have one. I love when you have personal it's person myself and uh, we got someone listening to and it's too bowen yangs. I don't think so, honey. And one of the things that is gonna happen is I'm gonna get my phone out. I hit the thing. But when Yang, your time starts now, I don't think so, honey. The Uber driver in London who pulled up to the side before letting me out,

he said, I have to show you something. I go what he goes, You're uber rating it's low. I said, what is it? Four point eight? I said that's low. He said that's very low. He's like, what are you doing? I was like, I have not vomited in a single car. I am quiet as a mouse. I'm not always on time. What could this possibly be? So Uber? I don't mean to be all called the manager right now, but talk

to the manager right now. I'm a little Karen, but I need to make this right because this driver made it seem like I was seen truly like persona on Gratta in the streets of London, and I need to be taking these cars because you work there. I work there now, and that time the tube is really amazed and I don't really know how to navigate it that well, oh my god, that's one minute. And that's what I meant.

I would say, is it's crazy that you got dragged for a four point eight because after my experience in the Sydney I'm at a I'm at a four point six. Wow, but is that even low? Which means yes, I means he gave me like a zero yeah yeah, I mean I mean the state of his car, and was like, let me get on this app all, let me dragund I don't care how much money they zelled. Oh my, but to be fair, like, no offense. You did deserve that.

I really don't know what I could have done. I know what you did accumulate, but that happened to me. Someone was like, you recently got a low star rating. I was like, excuse me, I'm there. Literally at the second that they pull up, I say, hi, how are you? I don't say a fucking word, and they dropped them off as thank you so much. I always tipped them twenty percent five star ratings across the board. I was like, what did I do? And then you can't like go back.

I mean, Conye isn't here to call you out because he probably observes your behavior. I observe your I've told you this before I walk into the street, not that it's the way you get into the car. You crawl on the seats. I'm not getting on dirty Bowen. They don't know that, and maybe you are. That's not gonna warrant like you listen to me, Readers, Readers reach out with what you think. But when you're getting readers, when you when you get they're the readers raiders. So listen readers.

When you're getting into an uber, you go foot first and the foot hits the ground. Bowen Yang crawls knees first into the car. I've never seen anything like it. And yes, you do sort of like you are one to sort of really make yourselves known in the street like Bowen is. I wouldn't have no patience. There have been no incidents. There's no like moment. There's no moment where some driver could go, oh no, that's a demerit.

You know what I'm saying. But but you're incorrect because you've been demerited and told by one of the dolls themselves you've done wrong. You can't call them. This is the fight of my life. I need to get this back up. Do you feel like you physically could change, Like, could you change? Could you on my first behavior? Not that I wasn't before, that's the fucking thing. I would get in trouble in school for not even doing well. I just this is like a triggering thing for me.

Like I don't know if you guys were those kids in school would get in trouble for like teacher. I guess it would depend on the teacher. I felt like I got dinged a lot for like nothing, and I'd be like, there's literally like a kid doing drugs, like two desks. What are you doing? Those teachers are scared of that kid? Fuck? I mean, it's whatever you're going through it going through people need to. I think people get an Asian joy and they go, I'm not afraid

of him. Oh my god, I'm bringing race into this. Yeah, I would. I get you would if you were. Let me tell you something. If I was not white, i'd bring race into yeah, And I'm bring right now, And that's your right anyway. I'm sorry, Thank you for following me. Okay, they're both so good. You're don't worry about it. It's not like that. It's not like that. It's not like that. You guys like that. It's really you don't need to say about I don't think so honey. Is I'm gonna

try that. I'm gonna try that. Yeah, don't let me forget. Before we end the episode, I have to show you a video. I have to play something for the readers and us, all okay after Marles, I don't think, so honey before we sing the song and m okay, I mean, okay, all right. This is Marla Mondell's I don't think so honey. Her time starts now, okay. Mine is musical theater specific, I don't think so honey. Hashtag first day of school? Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, that's an

on Facebook. I'm on Facebook, which also I don't think so honey. Any One that's on Facebook that's also an actor, which is all of my friends posts a picture of the script being like hashtag first day of school. I'm here to tell you musical theater is not school. I don't think, so honey. I went to school for musical theater. Basically, you get a degree in air. I have a certificate that says I can tap dance, and you know what, you can parlay tap dancing into I don't know, financial planning.

I would go to school for anything else besides musical theater because you can probably make more working at the MTA than you can doing the regional production of Derby Dinners Playhouses Cats, which I did when I was twenty years old on pop Rownies the entire time, and I made three hundred dollars a week. Oh so basically, what I'm saying is I don't want people to cancel musical theater, but I am asking everyone to cancel actors on Facebook, and I think we can do it. Th First, I'm

gonna say this, all actors too cool for Facebook. You're too cool for it. I obviously am not, no, and I'm telling you you're too cool. Okay. Why do you find yourselves on that? Still? Okay? I find myself on it because honestly, Connie will drag me for this. We got an apartment. I was like, we're going to get everything on Facebook Marketplace. I'm not paying top I'm on Facebook Marketplace an hour every single day, looking up everything,

asking hey is this available? And I never follow through whatever. I don't buy a fucking thing, So then I've done it for eight months. It should be a real course of action for no sum Literally, Suemy, take me off the platform. I don't deserve to be on there, Connie, platforms I should be. I should be. I'm only on for the marketplace. That's literally it but a sorry thing to be. And so you don't you don't need it, then I don't. You don't buy anything because I don't

buy anything. But I'm always like, I want to get a deal. I see like John Riddle's apartment. It's beautiful, everything is, everything is like I got it on the marketplace for five dollars. I'm want to do this. I can do this. I forgot I forget that. The marketplace, it's like me, the first thing I look at, not Instagram, it's the marketplace. Oh look at this west elm Chaz for five hundred dollars. Maybe I should get it. I send it to Connie. I don't do anything about it.

That's so healthy, that's so much healthier. That's healthier than Instagram though, Yeah, it is for sure, Oh so much healthier. Oh my god, forget it. The thing is listen what I want you to do when you buy one thing this week? Yeah, in the marketplace is actually, can you reach back out so that we can tell the readers did it and what you got? Yeah, and just tell what you got? Sign in a voicemail? Can you send in a voice memo? We should do We should try

to do one episode while I'm still here. I know that you're about to be in full ast, so you probably can't. Maybe Thursday, maybe Friday, maybe maybe I'll be around. Okay, Um, but I would like to do a culture catch up with just you if that's possible. Build it into your schedule, which already has no free time at all the way I demand. But I will make the space for you. Yes, But what I demand of you is you send in a voice memo describing what you bought and for how much? Yeah,

and describe how the process. Yeah. Ultimately, I think it'll feel humiliating. I can say that right now. Just be like, hey, it's already humiliating, you know when you're always like will you accept one hundred and twenty five dollars for this instead of one hundred and fifty and they're like, oh, I gotta steal I got. Really that's to me that basically I know, but it just makes me feel like ikey inside no, okay, okay, thank you part of it. You know what, you guys who helped me. I'm going

on the marketplace right now. I'm getting this painting that if you're going to Allen Star you have an idea of what you want to do. Yes, yes, I have a painting. I want to get real art. Yeah, that's been like my newest thing. We bought a shitty poster. It looks terrible in our apartment, and we bought something that we called Teal Wix, who's an actress. Basically, we got a Teal storage locker. Looks terrible in the apartment.

We call it Teal Wicks. And I'm like, two Wicks has got to go with this poster and we're gonna get a painting instead that I know that is my So you already know you can already mission shop. I'm going a mission shop. Amazing. So you're gonna go to Allen startus tonight. You're gonna take the picture of the watching you're going on fook Yeah, yeah, thank you with that. I have this, um this is the beginning of a

porn of a gay porner. And you know sometimes they'll do like a scene in the beginning that's the best part. Let me set it out. Okay, So there's there's two gays on and one gay says to the other because it's kind of muffled because they're porn actors. They're not like good, They're not, he says. He says the sound on set was not iconic. A Jones the one gather have you seen this? Watch this? Okay? And then here we go, have you seen this clip? Watch all the way? Sorry,

they're watching the clip. She's so funny, she's right up and then they started making out. God, can I say it has gotten to the point where gays really are trying to murder this woman. Yeah, and it is not just a line from Hiltis. We have to stop this behavior.

I could cause specific people. You were killing her. We're making her into a gay meme and it's not going to sir her going forward, because now she's in this porn and these gays are acting badlier on her, and now people, what if she became best known for this? What it has the power? What you mustn't forget for some reason that the meme treatment of Jennifer Coolidge kind of takes something away from the fact that she's this like Groundlings legend, like comedic legend who has been on

like every Christopher guest. To me, it's like show the woman some respect. It's like, it's you guys, it is so funny. I'm gonna reteet. I'm actually gonna retreat it from the account right now. Okay, I'm working it into sum It's it's beautiful and it's been posted by at computer underscore gay at computer underscore bore. His name is man Man. He posted on a March fourth. I've retweeted it. By the way, one of them. They're both like Twinky,

one of them wearing a smiley faced T shirt. There's like a lower third where the video pops up and you see the Jennifer Coolidge scene, which it has to be illegal. Picture and picture and picture. I so and so then the gays watch it, and the one gay says to the other she's right, and then they I guess, And now I am curious about watching the rest of it.

I mean it got my attention. Yeah, of course for a gay man to say to watch it Jennifer Coolidge clipp and go, she's so funny, is really like and they thought, you know how, so you know how we're gonna get our porn out to go viral. We involved Jennifer Coolidge and god damn it, they did, and we just helped. Yeah, yeah, you're right, we just signal boosted. Well, this was a phenomenal episode. Oh oh my god, there so much for having me. I don't deserve to be here.

That's not really stop that That's how I feel. Honestly, I'm staring struck. We were, we are so excited. When I first wanted to go see the show and I sat in the front row, you came right over to me and like looked at me, and I was like, oh, this must be the seat of the person that she looks at. She must do this. And then afterwards I calp to you and she I was like, we've never met, Like, I'm such a fan. If you said I know who you are, and I was like, there's no way, because

you are. You are an idol to us, but you are simply iconic to me. Nica Jones Simpson and Iconica Boninawn Oh my god, I mean you gotta see tight tiny. It's now extended through September September tenth, September ten. There's another one after that. But I would not be surprised, I guess. But you you have to probably be the one to end it, right, You're probably gonna be the one that has to call it because you are Selene. I mean, they'll listen at this rate. It's gonna be

like Hamilton, do you know what I mean? Like, they'll be like Australian Selene's. They'll be like, are you eligible for any awards for this? I think I might be eligible for like Off Broadway awards. Maybe they FYC starts now, Yeah, I mean I think so Drama Desk maybe. I don't know. We're going to get all of them. Yeah, start the campaign. Start the campaign. We did lose to the Queerties. To drag the musical, We're all Querties losers here. I lost

like several Queerties. Did you really? I was like gay Gangs of New York. I took nothing home. I'm a what's your face? What wit? What did you lose? Oh? Best? I lost? Best Comic I Love that for you lost Best Comedy show, Fire Island lost Best Streaming Movie? What what? What? We also lost best podcast? What? Yeah? I'm rigged. It's okay,

there's another hardware. So this is again. This has been so this is It's time to we end every episode with a song, so surrenderything, to feel the chest again, hallo. You can bet I'm doing The Kellys should to hear more of that. Go to tights and egg Bye h