"Leave Her Alone" (w/ Sam Jay)

don't forget that is what it is. Um. You know, we've got to be celebrating with a little bit of sparkle. We've got to celebrate with a little bit of sparkle. It's the points set as of beverages. You know. There are times when I I do like a prosecco moment. There's times when I do like, uh rose moment. Guess the best of both, and and here we get the best of both. About damn. See now this is this an expensive moment? Absolutely okay, Because I don't know, I'm trash.

I'm trash honestly. So the other day I had to go buy rap gifts for everyone, and so for a game show, and I was like, what's what's good to buy? And I went into the you know, the liquor store as she's called and this town and I went in and I was like, where's the vogue. I was like, I feel like that's like my class thing. And what did someone say? And well I didn't ask that. I was embarrassed. So what I ended up doing was I ended up buying um, just some nice uh it said

Champagne on it. I mean, I don't know. She is a product of England Champagne full Champagne. Is that is that? Okay? Is it one bottle for every single person? No? Just I got the line producer or something and I got our poster at something. I technically can't be champagne unless it comes from from from the area of Champagne, Okay. And so this is culture. We have a culture. She is. She is the opposite of trash because she class She outclasses me every damn day. Well, I'm not going to

dispute you on that. It's truly true and know you you know me. But then she will come in and she'll be like, what the fund should either compliment where you're wearing, or she'll be like, what the funk is this? What the fund is this? And I kind of want to hear I kind of want to hear from her in a second about what your ratio is, what you particular ratio is, because we know ratio like ratio to what the funk from? What the fun is this? But um, I will say in order just had this guest up,

you have to talk about that. She's literally one of the funniest people ever, one of the funniest people ever. Um. I love watching her perform. She always gets my mind going, Yeah, I met our guest at JFL. We were the same class JFL and I fucking I remember I was in the I was watching the New Faces stand ups and I was like, Oh, this doesn't even feel like a new Face moment. This feels like a moment. My mother and father were there, and they were my mother could

not stop speaking about it. And let me tell you something, some of the content not for a lot of moms, but but my mother she crossed over filthy mother. She was dirty. But our guests can cross over into the mother mind. You can still appeal to that sector, and it's very fascinating to watch your mom watch Sam J perform, because like sometimes she'll be like she went off on this one thing and that. I was like, oh my god, this is this is on tame, this is wild. And

I just saw my mom. I turned around and my mom was clapping like a seal, like like a damn seal, like a fool, like a seal fool. You know some of these seals up in sea road to act like fools. This is my mother and I'm telling you it was sort of like she was talking about like I think it was a joke, like like I do not remember what it was, but it was like I was shocked to see my mother respond in this way. This was years ago, decades, Oh my god. But I was like, Okay,

my mom is standing, My mom is standing. Well listen. You can check her out comedy line up on Netflix Saturday Night Live album out tour right tour um and her special is going to be so fine. Here we fucking go um. Oh. She told me the name, and I think it's a really good name for it. Well wait, you say you say it three in the morning, three in the morning, because it's those thoughts that come into your head at three clear you clarity, I mean, and

she can she can expand on this more. But we want to brave to name your special after Kamala Harris campaign slogan damn so please welcome into your ears. Sam Jay. Hey guys, you guys are entertaining. Well, I'll tell you that's actually that was Actually the idea is good expecting to fucking boring as people very entertaining. Imagine if we like just have flopped and we're boring in front of Sam day tomorrow. Now you gotta turn it on. We have the we have, we have the star here. I

flop all the time. You do not in front of Sam. So I'm done with you and you're facing bullshit. You're a star. I share a damn a shared damn dressing dressing room with Chris Rod Yes, the Prince of all princess we love. And sometimes Sam will hang out in that room him She's welcome to do and she'll she'll be sitting there and I'm like, you know what, I gotta like she belongs to more than I do. You

know what? Yeah, I actually I actually agree. I actually I'm sign because it's been Ker's room for like three year, three years at this point, so I've always been. Sometimes I feel bad. I'm like, I hope I'm not making for her, you know, I'm that's true, that is true. I don't know that place. Goddamn right, go damn right, wait, okay,

three in the morning. And then because you like went into this beautiful explanation to me when you told me, Yeah, man, I just think it's like the part of the time where this album is actually I mean, this our special is actually getting made. You know, Like three am is when I'm usually getting home for my solo spots that I've been in all late. If I'm going to are you with my girl about being out all night, probably

happens around the morning. You know, she's thinking gorgeous un and then one of the nicest people ever, beautiful kind. So yeah, it's just kind of where I feel like the grit and the stuff that's gonna make this hour feel good. Do you say that's when you write a lot too, or now that's what I'm thinking a lot. I'm processing a lot. Like usually get out the Southern maybe two to thirty and I'll take a long cab

bret home, kind of listen to tape. Think you know, do you get a lot out of watch listening to yourself back. I hate to do it. I don't do it unless I have a thing going on, like I'm preparing for something. In general, I won't do it, but it is kind of crucial when you're like putting an hour together. Just yeah, just to remember certain tags that you're not gonna remember, you know, just beats and stuff that, and just also kind of trying to figure out those segways.

It's comportant to like hear yourself to kind of figure out like, oh, this is where I was trying to go, you know, Yeah, that's beautiful, that's perfect. I always, I always whenever I see myself back, I'm like, oh, I'm pausing a lot. I noticed that, Like what feels like waiting for like some things to subside. Actually it's just like you're not But for you, is that bad? Well, when you're trying to put a special together, I would imagine want to feel really tight. Yeah, I think you

want to. I don't even know if they'll see I don't know if it's I think that's more of a like a late night spot. Well, especially you want a little breathing. You wanted to breathe a little bit. You want to sit in moments you don't want to feel, you know, but you want everything to be funny. But I think you do have a little more opportunity to like sit in spaces with stuff. And I feel like I gotta get to the next. You gotta get to the next, gotta get to the day, because you can

cut a round it if you go over or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think. I don't even think the time. I don't really think about time anyway. It's just like when I'm done talking, that's when it will be done, you know what, Because like if if I got the time in my head, that's just another layer of ship to make me like go crazy over that really doesn't matter anyway.

So it's kind of like even I don't even care if the ship lives at forty five, like it's a good forty five, then it's a good forty five, you know what I mean. Like, if it's good and it does what it's supposed to do, I'm not going to trip over fifteen minutes. We're not gonna trop over five minutes. I'm just gonna go up and talk until I have nothing else to say. And I feel like it's complete. You know what I mean. Who's whose specials have you seen recently that you've been like, Okay, they did it

the right way. Oh man, I don't watch specials. I'm WEIRDO. No, I don't watch a lot of special I don't like to see a lot of people's stuff and then be like influence or even feel like, oh now that I heard Dahls trends that I can't do anything like It's just gives you your head. So I just try to keep my space from stuff like that. I did watch special because its Chappelle. I'm not gonna not watch it. And I watched like Rocks tam Marine, and I would say, like out of like a person that kind of did

a first special that I admired. Their first special was thought, this is on the level of what I want mine to feel like. It may not be exactly that, may not have that full circle nous that this special head, but it should feel like a moment like that. It was. I for sure it was probably one of the best psons I saw in the last five six Yeah, yeah, it was. It was. It was so good. It's just so good. It was so good. She just like seamlessly.

I keep watching that one back Baby Kerber, and I watched the intro where she just like slips into it. She's just like, Okay, I gotta get out of here because I have to pass what I haven't focusing on the the beginning, It's like, how do I want this party to kick off? You know, because I do wanted to feel that way, just like Casual. I kind of feel like I wanted to start in the middle. Yes, a bit, you know, see how that feels. So yeah, that was like the pieces now the end out, you know,

I feel like the middle's all there. It's like how am I going to get in? And saying how am I going to get out of this thing? Right? Right? Wait, I'm a dimas. Did you record it already or did you shoot it? No? You're about to February February, and where's that happening? Atlanta? Atlanta? And that's going to be I think really like, how involved did you get to

be with Netflix? I mean it's probably a network specific thing, but like you're you're gonna be editing this thing yourself too, Yeah, enough to know that they're doing what I want done, you know for sure, which will be awful because that means I have to watch myself, which is gonna sae. I think you get better at it though I used to. I just don't like watching myself. It sucks. I don't do it. I don't watch anything. I don't watch anything. I didn't watch my Netflix with Teen, I didn't watch

my com s half hour. I don't watch TV appearance, I don't watch shows that. I don't watch broad City, I don't watch any Yeah, like I make it in the same way I feel like, because is it because you feel like you're doing comedy all the time that it's not something you want to be like, Yeah, Also it's there's nothing I can do. So if I watch it and it's just like I put myself, you're not going to but I can't do it, it's over, you know, Like what I don't just mental health really it's the

healthy thing totally. Is there any purpose around watching it so that the next time you do something it will be like different or something or no. I mean it's like I know the ship I did up there, I know what felt want. Yeah, because you know what's going

on now? Though, is that I taught Chris how to use fine cuts, so we use this app at work where after a sketch is blocked, or after after it rehearses, it immediately gets uploaded to the server and then to this app where you can just pull it up, pull up like a video recording by day by sketch, by

rehearsal or whatever stage it's at. And Chris and I are just in our dressing rooms, sitting across from each other, silent, watching ourselves back on this like just constantly, constantly, constantly just like fix things because I think we need to. But it's also like I don't know what this is going to do to my mental health long term. I mean I think it's like if you're like a sketch performer, there's probably one need to do that. Yeah, yeah, you

know what I mean. I mean it's like it's like I don't know what then am I going to watch on stage? And I like the way I walked to the last Yeah? Is it hard with like the blocking of it all at us? And know, like is it weird with the cuke? I literally like is it? Is it a weird state of being? It's just it's just super technical and like it's I used to watch and

it was just too crazy. Man. I just remember being stuff like all you say and too much and then like yeah, why you why are you touching your face right there? It's just like just being so you're watching yourself be just not like it's not like you're playing a character where it's like, oh I could have done this and hit that beat a little bit harder of the sketch. It's like you're watching yourself exist, so you're going to critique your own existence. For me, it's not

a thing. For me. It's just watching myself and seeing through the bullshit and like the artifice. And I'm like, oh, I don't do that in my normal life. Why am I like adding this affect? Am I like doing? Why am I touching my face? Like like I don't do that ship normally maybe a little, I'm healthy, I think not when you're describing it it's good and bad. I just think I'm at a place where I'm past doing that, and I'm just kind of like cool, how I am,

and like it's it's just gonna be what it is. Yeah, okay, I will say hearing Sam Jay laugh in any scenario, but especially at Wednesdays at read throughs, it's like that's like the best laugh in the whole room. Truly. I don't I hear you like I hear you like do like the high pitched snicker, like like I'm like Sam is laughing, like fucking I'm like, okay, great, this is this is good, Like we're going. I love when it's fun.

I love I'm laughing. Sometimes I'm like happier when nothing I have nothing in the first half, or like I just like to get myself out the way, or like it's closer to the end, I can just like chill and listen to the read just be like entertained. The worst is when you have something in the second half. How long is it all together at the table? Three and a half hour? Serious? Each each half is like

five minute break in between. Yeah, and you really are like winded, like on either side both as a writer. And how are you feeling at the table now? Right? That's so different, it's so different. The first I was so proud of you. I was like, it was really fun, it was fun. And then I'm killing it. Thanks babe. Um. That means a lot because the feedback is most important to the people who know what the people that are like, yeah, here's with you. Yeah, thanks babe. Um snacks, like do

you eat the snacks at the table? Oh? Everyone eats two snacks. I was just I eat some of them. Some of it's crazy. Some of it's like like this weird chicken wrap that looks like it's been out for days. Chicken wrap is bad, and people eat the chicken wrap, which I think is insane because that thing looks wild.

Like also good services. Hope you're not listening. There's also good candy, and there's like you know, fruit and like yeah, just like whenever, whenever, like that gets posted on the Instagram, like this the actual spread. It's like that looks like a fucking feast of like appetizers. It's the table is covered and there's some weird meat on a stick that just be out too. That looks super that's out on a stick that's out is not. It's just none of

it looks like it came from anywhere. That's it just appears, And you're like, I don't really know where items come from. Where was the story right? Where was the story? Where was it made? There's really no outside the room in the hallway, there's just like a table full of like roast, like someone will get cats or like tacos and just like throw it in the hall and for some reason it's separate from all the other stuff. Anyway, this is,

this is, it's all cold. None of it's table to the table with the three and a half, I know, But then I'm so I'm in Leslie's old seat. And Leslie would bring like specific snacks that like all her all her table neighbors would eat, like so Kyle, Heidi and eighty would all like eat from Leslie's snacks she brought, like those giant cinnamon gummy beer she brought, like like spicy cheese that she brought, like all these like wacky but good things. At least you know, it's like store bought.

It's from the actual package happening. So we're gonna we're gonna revive it. Anyway, Leslie such a present. Leslie was such like a present. It's her absence, felt I think, so yeah yeah yeah, but um, anyway, it's that that's like the table reads not situation for now. Um. I was wondering if it's like a bunch of actors who are like scared to touch the food because it's a test, like the host ever housing the food because Lauren is

just like reaching over all the time. Yeah, and the Mamma is always on the table, is on the table, wh when I'm consulted, if I'm part of, if I'm party to the decision. Wow, are you excited that it's Did you pick that it was in Atlanta? Ga Um? I didn't want to do it in Boston because I was worried because because what's your relationship with Boston? Your from Boston? Yeah, but like family was there. Yeah, I just thought it. I grew up there my whole life,

so I just thought it was going to be too much. Yeah. Yeah, it's just hard to balance. And it's like my first one. I already know I'm going to be in my head a bit, you know, and I just need space to like create, And I just felt like it was just gonna be too many friends, too many family, too much access, just too much, too much, too much, you got to get the mix. Um. Whereas in Atlanta, I lived for a long time, you know, I went down there for

college and stayed, so it still feels like home. I still have friends and it's not too far that like family, who gives the ship enough can fly there or whatever. You know, but it will eliminate some of that, like no ways of just and dos and whoever that winning you know in Boston can just walk up the street, you know. Yeah. So and it plus, it's a black city, and I wanted to I wanted a good amount of black people in the audience. Um, especially with the type

of material I do. I don't ever wanted to come off as if I only play it to a sou That was important. And Atlanta is very gay and black, which is also super important to me to just have myself represented in the audience, you know. Um, and that's really why that's a huge deal. That's that's perfect, that's a great that's a great comedy city. We didn't I don't think so honey there And it was, yeah, do you like Boston like culturally, like do you like being there?

That's a tough ques. That's tough to get asked atown. Well, yeah, because it's it's like it is bad for certain for like obvious reasons this racist and stuff like that, but it's also like where I grew up, you know what I mean, And so like there's also a whole black culture that doesn't really get explode or or talked about that. Yeah, I loved you know, and it was my whole family was there, so it's like it was home for me. So for me, it's a lot of its home. It's

the things I grew up with. You know. It's not racism, but that was definitely a part aware that that goes on. But I don't even know if it's more racist than

any place else. And I feel like it's so weird when people say, like Boston, it's like, I don't I don't know if I felt, you know, more racist than New York, more racist than you know, Yeah, every get a very like patriarchal energy from Boston where it's just kind of like whenever I think of Boston and I let my mind go, it's kind of like I feel like I picture like, and this is not fair, but like, oh, drunk white dude screaming in the streets. Like it's kind

of like that's an accurate frame for it. It is a very white town, and I guess that is the racism that's different than other places is it's a very white, like institution type town. So they do like push black people to the corner of the city. You wouldn't really know that the city had a black identity if you didn't know where to go to find it, you know what I mean, you just assume it's all back Bay, you know, colleges and stuff. So I don't know. Yeah, it's a good it's a love hate thing. Yeah, I

get you. Here's what And I don't know if this is just like a lazy way of thinking. I feel like every city in America like just contains multitudes and that's it, like truly, like everywhere you go, like and especially like Matt and I travel last year and probably

you like from touring. It's like I go to different places and I'm like surprised at like, oh, how similar, Like how the common themes are all of the like truly like across the board, like everywhere, like all these places are like for better for worse, Like the themes are all they're consistent where it's like, okay, so this is the neighborhood that's getting gentrified. Yeah you see it, which is weird because like that's the truth what they say,

like traveling makes the world so small. Yeah oh and you made a face like yeah, it's like but it's like going to like because I'm going to every city now and everywhere every place tells me, like the locals will come up to me and be like, yeah, like Houston or Portland or Chicago or blank or blank, or like we have a really bad history of segregation. I'm like, yeah, I guess so every city has a bad America. That's America.

It's not unique to like these Yea. It was. There was no like place where they were like, we're not doing it. Yea. Like now everyone was kind of doing it at that point. Ye So yeah, that's what it was. It's like sucking Atlanta now, Like my sister's like in Dunwoodie where it's like she's with all the fucking white people and that's great and like she's they're happy there.

But it's like I whenever I go to Atlanta, I don't I just go straight like north to fucking you know, and you see a whole another Atlanta that someone was in the right, and I'm like, oh, I would I would like want to sort of get like like a good sampling of all of this, And like that's why I like I try to like go to like Midtown every now and then when I when I'm there, or just like when Matt and I were there. We just that there's like gays in everything, you know what I mean.

It's just weird. Like whenever when we went to we didn't like, um like when we do. We went to Texas and did shows there, and people showed up for the shows. I was like, Oh, cool, they're out here. And then honestly, it's like, because our show has like thirty comics on it and it's majority like women, people of color and LGBT people, and it's just it's oh, it's always just interesting that there there's like a scene there, But there's not like an active scene in every city.

And so that's something I think we take for granted. In New York. It's like these shows aren't just popping up everywhere. So I guess I'm curious about like that also not to be this person, but I also thinks something that white men take for grant. Yeah, it's very hard to find active black gay scenes anywhere, you know what I mean, Like even in like it's like Atlanta has one. Even in New York, it's not really like

it's not out there. It's Boston. So it's like, if you do want a party, you have to go out with the white gays and mostly white gay men and that's just gonna be the vibe. And then there's like four like especially hard for lesbians because we don't even go outside, so we have a whole another thing that deal with, which is like insane. I know. I mean it's like that I'm glad I'm in a relationship now and like me and y'all will go hang. But like when I was out here just trying to be like

single dyking, it was miserable. Like even when lesbians go out, we couple out, we go out couple there's not a lot of like single lesbian scenes, like hookup scenes, except for Atlanta. Except for Atlanta, describe it. Atlanta is just it's like what you would think. Atlanta is just gate so it's like the same stuff. It's like booty music is like you know what I mean, Like it's like

trap music. It's you know, old and don't some stuff like that, and like that's what the club will play and just white play with people listening on the radio, but it'll just be like, oh, lesbians is the first city I have experienced that we could go to a club that called like three D people and it'll be full of black Lesbian, and it was like, Okay, everyone

in here is like available to fun. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah that that you're you're describing that, and it's like, and I'm sorry to say this from from my own fucking loves, but that sounds so rare. It is like just like where you can like listen to Megan a Stallion and have a to like twerk on you and be like yes, oh my god. Exactly, and that it was into like a weird house version. Yeah exactly. It

just is what it is, what it is. Let music be the music really really quickly have to say before but I do want to keep talking about this, but I do have to say that Sam J is the reason why I listen to Megan in Stallions. Really yeah, brought it to me. Tinas now had just come out and and Sam comes over to me. She goes, I think you'd really like Megan the Stallions, Like great, And then I listened to listen to it. You're like, listen to it, freak. I was like great. I listened to it.

I was like, freak, this is sucking insane. And then she when she was on when Chance was house staying, I told I went up to Megan, I was like, um, whatever, writers sam Jay told me about you and I and she was like I was like, oh great, and I told you what she said. She was like, she was like, I saw you guys on the TV. It looks so fun. And I was like, She's like, she's like, I want to do this. I was like, you should. Oh my god. I did you get to meet her when she was

there her? You did you see her like in person? Though? Like, yeah, are like walking around the hottest person I've ever seen me, Like, oh my god, she is stunning, stunning, stunning, Like yeah, I won't even let me watch her on the TV. Wow. Really, oh my god. Okay, have you guys been together? Oh man, we've been like sucking around off and off for ten Really you guys meet again. You told me my friend's car broke down in front of her house. He didn't

tell me. I didn't know about this. You didn't. Wait, what is that story? We were leaving the club and we were like we were it was like a big group of us and she was like a part, like a satellite part of that group SA in the club and then my friend got to fight black lesbian Atlanta drama. My friend got to fight with a girl. Her girl smacked her in the club. It was a whole thing. So they were like fighting all the way out the club. So me and my homie were following our homie who

was fighting their girl. They and the girl that they were fighting was Yaw's homie. So then they were like argue in front of our's house and then they took off together. We were like, okay, they're crazy whatever, and we pulled out to leave and we hit a curb because my friend, Goose was high. Uh we hit a curb. Goose hit a curb. Blue tire out um and we were just sitting out there way and I had a

girlfriend at the time. We were waiting on my girlfriend to come pick us up, and y'all came back downstairs because she had seen us sitting on the curb and she was like, if you guys want some water or something like that. So her she was like, you don't gotta sit out here, you know it's hot. So we went up and she was just talked to us in the kitchen and she had a girl at the time, and I was just like enamored. I was was for

sure she has a quality. She definitely Bo's got her number on some let's be friends and I'll hang out. And I was like, Goose, I like that girl, so we would like Goose would have raised these hangs and we would just be hanging. And then one day you drunk at a club. I said something very forward. How long the friend? This was maybe like a week, like a week or we're gonna st Yeah, I said some super forward. She was receptive. She heard me, may go

to our house. Well, first we were talking on the phone. I still had a girlfriend. I was being I was such a dog when I was in such a dog. So I still a girlfriend. And then she was like, um, why don't you have a girlfriend? I was like, who says I did? But I think she kind of liked my boat and that's about it. Yeah, And I think I said that that would that would like that. That's super hot. That the fact that you said that very very honestly, yeah, because no one just says what they mean.

So yeah, I said that, and I told her that I wanted her to be my mistress. I was just, oh my god, I was actually the same thing that Like, I was just on my supermack and you know what, I'm saying, and then and then we linked up like two days later, and then we did it. And then I called my girlfriend that night and dumped her, I know, which was terrible. That not good. It was the whole thing. Does she know why or you were just like for

reasons I will not disclose. I was just like I didn't go into all of it, but she was kind of aware of what I'm saying. And but I like, once we had sex, I was like, I'm gonna want to do this all the time. That's great. But then but then didn't still have a girl at this time. No, no, no, she had broken up with her girl that we were like being friends, they had things, so they were kind of already on the outs, I guess, um, so she

was out here just banling, you know. And then I just like chased her around for years like a like an idiot. Um. And then we stopped talking for a bit. I got married. Then we happen to be in New York at the same time. I saw each other in New York and then I was like, I still love this girl. That's just ridiculous. Still try to make my marriage where it did it and now here we are when when I met you at j f L. Is that when you were going through a divorce. I was

like on the ends of it. Yes, yeah, I remember you talked about that a lot in your set. Yeah. Yeah, the sip of the rose is happening. But that's I mean, what you two have is like so special. You can tell however, man, she's like truly my best friend. Yeah, and she's just such a good like she's like she's she has a light that I don't, which is so dope. It's just like her energy is so pure and like big, like she has a big heart for like everybody. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,

she's dope, is she? Um? Does she watch a lot of your stuff? She goes to like every show. She could she go to every show, but she goes to a lot shows. But you know, it's so dope. Like I used to be so resistant of it because, um, I was so protective of comedy and like I felt like it was mine and I didn't want anyone in. And she says, why don't you, like, you know, let

me in more? And I'm like, I don't really know what you mean by that, but really I was like being so guarded with her, And now like she goes to shows and stuff, and she impresses the hell out of me because she loves me that much and she pays into that much, and she knows jokes. So sometimes when I change stuff, she she knows. She knows when I change things, or she'll like remembers something that set and be like, Babe, you know that would work with the thing you said to days ago, and it's like

it would be truly super healthy. They're good, and they're like super revel because she's really paying attention and also she knows you so well, so she can feel when something out of right. And one time, I remember I was on stage. I was on stage and I was talking, talking, talking, talking, talking, and it's on tape somewhere, which she loves. She loves these documented I saved the day moments. But I was gonna stage talking and I forgot where I was going.

I was like, yeah, I totally forgot where I was going, and y'all yelled out like apple sauce, and I was like, that was where I was going. But I was like, I was doing a new set. It wasn't like I was doing a like we teacher see before. I was doing a new set. But she just knew like process that was the next logical spot for don't you know? It was crazy and it was like that is exactly what I was about to go. What does she do? She's in interior designer. Oh nice, she's very good. She's

very good and kind of visual. I remember Sam and I did a photoshoop one time and she was just out there. She was just like fixing, like where things were sad and like she was she was she was not fixing fixing. She's great like that. You know people with that. It's like yeah, yeah, and she's like such a good partner. Yeah, and it's interesting that you're like

before like I didn't. I was very protective of that and like of my of my work, and I didn't think I would let anyone in, especially a significant other. But it's like, what's the alternative? Would would the alternative just be that, like yeah, like wouldn't be I wouldn't have any investment in like what your work was. And then like she's totally separate from like what you mean? You know, like I don't know because I didn't grow

up seeing any example of it. Yeah, just both had jobs and they come home and then they goes, both go to jobs. So it was like with this thing and and also like protective because it truly saved my fucking life in a way, you know what I mean. So so like guarded with how that energies being messed with, you know what I mean? And so I never really seen examples of how you like let someone into something so personal because I didn't grow up seeing that type

of energy. So it was just I just felt like that's I do this, and then are what we do is what we do, you know? And I didn't get why she was pushing, but it was like she was pushing because she's like this is so important. That's how do you expect me to be fully out of something that matters to you so much as stand up is not super collaborative anyway from else be and you don't want to get your girls my girls tags like baby, but that's not what we just had to learn like

a language, and like that's not what she does. She doesn't give me tags, you know, be like don't forget that piece or don't drop that or why don't you say that? And sometimes it's like because I completely forgot I said it, or oh because of reason, but It's also is good to have someone that I trust that much to download in because now I talked to her like I call her after sets at the celler in the cab and be like, yeah, that thing did work bad but it didn't or I don't know. I was

a little frustrated with this part of it. And it's like before I would just keep all that stuff in and then she's feeling that energy. She feels that that's on me when I come home and I'm not sharing something, and that makes her feel isolated. You know, I just had to learn how I think. Man, it's just alive. Is gonna grow up in real loving households, and you

don't realize that to you out in the world. So it's like I just had to learn how to let someone love me, because that's really all she was trying to do. And even if it's like I don't like it, I can vocalize that. We vocal about that, but I gotta let her love me. You know what, what are we doing? I think that the ideal is someone that does it, like because she does her own thing and it is creative and like she is obviously very creative and does have that love for you and she gets it,

you know. That's the thing is like in my relationship now, it's like he does not do what I do, but he does get it and can help and say likewise. And that is like ideally what you want, is it? It should feel like like the pieces come together. Yeah, But when you don't have all that, like if you're not seeing examples of that, you know, you're like, I'm doing I did this communy thing on my own. This is me, you know what I mean, and you're coming

with that energy. Then it's like someone's like, hey, let me tell you what I think, or just you're like, no, this is mine, you know what I mean. And at the end of the day, you are the I guess at the end of the day, like if there were to be credits, you would still be the creator, executive producer of the project. That is you. So it's like, you know what I mean, it's just a piece that supplements the whole. And also you know for sure that

it's coming from a good, positive, loving place. It's not. It's not this thing where it's like I have to question the motive. Yeah, but it was like I just had to let my guard. That's what she was giving, like, hey, babe, I have an idea right here. I'm like taken offense to that, Like, oh, you think you could tell me how to do That's not where this energy is coming from it. Oh like, so let it be pure because it is pure, you're putting impurities in it. Yeah, it

doesn't take away from your credibility at all. You know, Wait, where were you going to school for? I went to school for communications. I went to school for Then you go to school fool when you want to go to school that when you don't want to be there. Before before you you wanted to do comedy. What was did you have like any great? I was just doing a bunch of stuff. Man. I was party promoting in Atlanta for a while, and then I worked in music and at like four or five years I got this team

people and started like as this independent label. We opened up a studio. I was just doing stuff, trying to figure out. But there's like an abundance of that, what the hell go on? I think a lot of people have, But I genuinely think we all go to college to fucking early. I really think, like I've seen it happened so many times people that just they they're in these schools and they're paying the money, and you, I don't

know if you. I think it's a very The percentage of people that actually know what they want to do or feel like they're okay to say what they want to do at eighteen years old very small. And then it's even harder, like when you're coming from these communities, I don't have access to stuffmation. So it's like, now, like I'm a comedy writer, right, I remember being a person was interested in communy as a kid. I like

to write, you know what I'm saying. But when I think about, like, who is going to point me in that direction? In my family and my school system, any of that to the point where I didn't even know that was the thing you could do. I know, understanding you could be that or go to school for that, but none of that for me. I thought you just accidentally became those type of things, you know, like you just got lucky and in life just kind of worked

out for you. But I didn't know there was like a career path to it because I didn't have access to that information. You know what I'm saying, Will you forget that people write that ship? You know, what I mean as a kid you're watching and you're like, these are the actors doing it. It must be some it must be simpler, even on a level like once I was in high school stuff and I'm like, oh, I

think I want to be a TV writer. In my neighbor it wasn't a lot of like how to get to that, even like a guidance counselor at that school would be like, but I don't know, because it's not like what do you you know what I'm saying. And it's like, at the end of the day, now I write versonnel and it's such a roundabout way that I got here, and now that I'm a fullgrown person, I'm like,

I live in a city. I live in Boston, Dude, Emerson is the number one comedy writing school maybe in the country, and it was up the street from my house and I didn't even know you could go to school to do something. But then it's not even no idea that was even But then you know, it's not even a geographical gap. It's truly So that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. It's like people think it's like, oh, no, man,

I lived there. And I'm sure that these other more established systems, we're having kids whom mmr sancom talk or if those kids that had that type of interest, they were creating clubs and stuff for these kids to do. You know what I'm saying, I just didn't live in a neighborhood would know access later. You know, this is this is a little bit of a sidebar, but recently Kamala Harris said she wants she wants to She's like championing a school the school school day go to six pm.

The school would start at the same time and it

would go to six pm. And I don't necessarily know the nuts and bolts are why this is happening, but I was watching it get discussed on TV, and I was thinking about it, and I was like, this is such a kind of weird thing to mandate for everyone, because when you have certain school systems that do not have the kinds of um opportunities in school or like areas in school some like not every school has like a schoolyard, not every school has like this that the

other things so that they can be doing extra crickets at the school. So I feel like it's kind of fully and you also the fully like revamped school in a way. Yes, like I went to I went to a progressive, weird charter school and we did day in school to like six, but not by mandate. It was just kind of a structure after school. It was it was open, you know. The school was just like we're

never gonna close. Like the principle was so dedicated to the community he was want to do like he wouldn't leave to the last student left, and a lot of students would hang around. And it's not a bad idea in the sense that a lot of kids are going with parents and jobs stuff, they're going home and nothing to be alone or if there stre to it having

you know, maybe not just straight curriculum. But and that's what happened, Like clubs started being made just by students because we would be there and teachers would be like hanging out and noticed that students hanging out, Like clubs started very organically, things started to create, Like to your school, they would extend right right, you're saying, that's what happened

to your school. I think it's like it's it's a very it's it's a positive idea to say going to make school the community and that's exactly what the school, like the whole base was was that school is the community, and we care about you beyond just what's going on with you in this building. And they recognized the need for that in that type of neighborhood. Yes, you know what I mean. And it was such a it changed

my life. It saved my life. That was another moment where my life was saying, you know, my mama died. I was spiraling and I remember going to the principal, David Pearago. I remember just being over it. Bro. I was getting kept back, bro, because I wasn't in school my mom and all that, and it's hard to feel. I was just feeling like fuck it. Yeah. And I went to him and I was like, yeah, I'm dropping out. I was eighteen. I was like, I ain't coming back

and I'm dropping out, bro, like I need whatever. It's like you have to get something from them, like sort of thing. I'm saying, I'm out of here something. He was like, no, I'm not let you do that. He said, take two weeks think about that. Come back. I went back to school because I graduated, but it's like if I just went to one of the bigg as high schools, Bro, they would have just slid that thing under the thing

or you know what I mean. It's like, but he knew me as a person and knew it and that's important. It's so matters did the way school these classrooms and these sizes, and it's like non connection to the kid. It's so hard for a kid to care about what you're saying, bro, when they're when their circumstances are so limited, and if you don't understand that, you're not gonna be able to reach them just saying crazy ship to them.

You're saying, like you you need to really give a funk about this algebra today, And they're like, Bro, I don't have food. People don't get that. People circumstances. I don't have food, or I don't know where I'm gonna sleep, or I don't know how I'm gonna clean my clothes, or I don't have we might be evicted tonight. Like what are you saying? What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Like I can't even give zero

funks about this. And there's a lot of teachers, teaching and communities that is the case over and over and they're not figuring out how a way to teach that kid they're valuable and how their value supersedes their circumstances. Yes, yes, it's so. It sounds so like kind of basic to say, but truly education has to come very high on the

priority list. And I think the class it's the class sizes should be trying to be smaller because once these class sizes get too big, once you start getting kids in the class and you're funneling kids out in forty minute periods, boom boom boom, these kids just feel passed around and then see other people. It's very hard to

cultivate individual identity, very hard to feel like people. And it's also very hard to recognize for a teacher because those that was like another model of that school was we were very small classes and we moved through all the curriculum together, so you're with like a home group of a certain amount of kids and then you would just move through every part of your day with those um But it's also hard with these larger classes for

teachers to recognize learning disabilities right and and learning gaps because they don't they can't pay attention right right. In my school, there was no it was the David's rule that there was no track kids, so there was no separate classes, especially classes class like that, everybody was just in one class. Now that kids sometimes maybe pulled up by tutor for our right, but that was so essential because so many people are having all these learners because

they're scared to speak. But it was like in my school became less of a thing because they weren't being ostracized, isolated and treated like they can't do what we do right. And also it's not something you have to then and established in a new group of people every day or every year. And then it forced us to be more respectful of the fact that people learn different and that just because you don't learn like me doesn't mean you're not intelligence, and it doesn't mean you don't know something.

We just learned things differently, and we might also just learn things at a different pace. All of that is fine, but the school did so many things to like drow that into us, you know, subconsciously. We didn't have grades, we had like learning rulers. We didn't get gays or bees or seeds, you know what I mean. You were rated on your own work, so you couldn't be like, well, I know I did better on this paper than him, so why does he have a higher grade than me?

And at first he used to piss me off, for my teacher would be like because he did, because it was like exceed expectations. They're like, he did exceed our expectations, but you didn't. You was being lazy. We know what you're capable of, and you didn't go beyond what you're capable of. So you did not exceed. You met it. You did what we know you're capable of doing. He did something we didn't know he could do it. And it's relative, and learning is relative, and it's so hard

because we're taught to compete. We're taught that it's like some type of race and it's not. And that whole mindset is how I ended up here because I never I never attested to that anymore. It's like, no, you do things on your time. Everybody's different. Everyone learns. Experience matters. People's experiences affect how they see and learn. That. All of that is very true, and so this stuff is way more arbitrary than it is important, and it is

way more fluid than it is rigid. You know, because I never think of you as someone who ever thinks of yourself as like inadequated anyway, I truly have never thought like Sam j just like just has whatever assuredness that she has. Well, the thing is, I'm assured in the fact that I will have inadequacies. Yes, yes, it's like what it is. Bro, Can I ask you when did you when did you get in touch with your sexual life than anyone? Did you come out? It's I

came out. I was twenty six really Atlanta, Atlanta. But another example of just not knowing I could beat that right because I was telling my my friend, we will die laughing. I was like, when I was a kid, this is why representation matters. The only thing I saw of lesbians and I didn't know there wasn't lesbians around me. It wasn't like outwardly I could tell you lesbian lesbians around me, like what lesbians mask sin a lesbian? They

weren't around me. So all I knew of lesbians was to shoot us on TV, which was these like white lily fair ladies with like believe in washing. And I was like, well, I'm not that. I could easily easily threw that out. I easily threw that out. Eight I'm like, well, that's not moving right at home, and also the the the mainstream says like, well we have the representative moving on you, you know what I mean at that time

for sure, So I'm like, whatever, that's not me. And it's fucking easy to to I don't hate men, and that wasn't not attracted to men. So when you're taught that that's what you're supposed to do, and then it's like, Okay, this looks good to me. It was like, I'm straight, this makes sense to me, you know what I mean.

And I and I had a boyfriend at the time when I got around high school age and we stayed together like five six years, which is a big development for sure, and I loved him, you know, but also

he was there for me when my mom died. He was like around, so I also realized the closeness came from other things, right, And of course I didn't not like having sex with him, but when we broke up, I was just you know, dating around fucking dudes and it was just like, h this is not This isn't I don't know what's going on, but this isn't it. And I'm not finding that connection that you just know when you know it, you know. And then I convinced myself.

I'm like, oh, well, maybe I'm just one of those girls who just has to be in love to like dick, and like I've just got too many the emotion. It's more emotional for me. And you know whatever that dumb shi it is that gay girls tell themselves. So I'm doing all that because it's still not like you're gay. That's not even in my head. Yes, that's not even in my head. After you broke up with the guy and this and this is so you're not even thinking

that that you're a lesbian as a possibility. No, no, no, I'm just like not feeling it. I'm not feeling it and I don't know why. So I'm just like fucking more dudes. I'm like sucking different types of dudes. I'm like, well, maybe it's a relationship. Let me build a relationship to dude then funk them, like, you know, just trying to figure it out. And like guys are liking me and wanting to be with me, and I'm like I could

do this, but it's like it's not the thing. Right then, I'm in Atlanta, which is a very gay forward in African American gay forward place and before I even got to remember, being maybe fifteen the first time I went, and now I realized such it was such an important moment.

I was fifteen, I went down to Atlanta with my brother and that was the first time I saw a stud what what we as a black culture considered like a stud, which is like a woman a dresses masking, right, and she had tims on jeans, jersey, she had a fade and I was like, that's dope. I remember being fifteen, and that like resonated with me, like for some reason, yeah, that's dope. No, it was like no, it was like wrong,

but yeah, because that's what you know what I mean. Like, but also it was like that's fly, so you know way that I would like to be flying, right, So you saw you saw aspiration in it, and also on a traction in that right right, Like that's flawed, right, and like that's how I feeling. Side is the only way I can explain it. Like always wear my brother's clothes. I'm always like trying to be fresh. That's what I

feel inside. Like even when I would tell two dudes, I would like mac on them and pick them up it's just like, yeah, that's what I feel like when I'm seeing the imagey myself, I'm like a cool nigga in the suit riding down the street. So when you were in your teens in early twenties though, where you kind of like being fem was, was there some sort

of like that do there a little? Yeah? But it wasn't even like it was just like being me, which was this real crazy mix of masculinity and femininity, right, you know what I'm saying, because now like there's people that know me then was like, bitch, I knew you was gay back then, I'm like, for real, because I didn't. You know, It's so crazy because for for I think I don't know about for you, but for maybe for a lot of gay men that I know, it wasn't

this thing of gradually figuring out. It was like this visceral thing of like, oh, I like, man, I had eleven years old. I remember the moment like I saw my friends like bare back and I was like, I think that's what it is. You know what I'm saying. I was seeing titties my whole life. Women are always solved, you know, Like femininity is so much more elusive than like masculine. It's like, if you're not sure and it's not that clear to you, you can confuse it with

a million things. Right now, I look back and I'm like, oh, I had crushes on all my female friends, but also this c is I just didn't even think you could like a girl like that. You were just like, well, this feeling I'm feeling is not a feeling, and so therefore I'm going to is just how like my mom is what her best like, that's just my super homie. I got love. But now I look back, I'm like,

I never hung around ugly girls. I never wrong with ugly girls, like, oh it goes on with hell pretty this period talking about in between like dating dating guys and then like coming to that realization now, I feel like that's something that probably feels like it doesn't get talked about enough where it's like there is a latent period for a lot of people before they figure it out, but but not but after they've been intimate with like

what they what they're, what their past selves were. There's just also not a discourse really even yet for lesbians, especially like black lesbians, you know, lesbians of color, you know, there's not there's not a lot of visibility, you know, there's I mean, I I bet like most white people would be like, well, orange is the new black is the one thing I have seen you. There was references either, like I didn't understand what it was for real, but I just knew, like the energy that I was seeing

wasn't me. Now I'm in Atlanta, I'm messing with dudes, but it's so gay forward and and so black that I'm seeing like Studds a the Studds and they were bad bitches and they just in the street and like they just shopping and ship and like I'm like, okay, like this is like kind of and it's so weird. Before it was a sexual thing, it was such an identity. Yeah. So I was like when I listen to jay Z, I'm jay Z, They're screaming at me. I'm like, what's

wrong with you? Mom? You know. So it's like I'm now seeing real representations of that in the world, like you could live there, and it's like, oh, ship, now the sexual part has to come, you know what I mean. And it's not like I didn't know that they existed, but seeing it for real. Yeah, And so what I understood if it was like it's so taboo that it's not a life, but then all the way you see

it and you're like, no, they're living whole lives. But then you see all like the buttressing around the sexual stuff that you're like, oh, that has nothing to do with sex, but I still want that, right, And then it was like women are hitting on me and and she would use is like not really clicking. And one day I'm talking to about my good friend. I'm telling her about it, and She's like, just go on a date with one. And I was like, could I do that?

She was like yeah, right. And so I was in chat rooms and ship I think how most people start being gay now. It was like there was like black ones. It was down link that was a black lesbian one, and then it was like a yeay who black lesbian chat whom I used to be in all the time. And that's when I first started like really flirting with women and like engaging in the idea of being sexual

with a woman. Yes. Um, so this is taking me back here you were you weren't room queen, yes, And then you were just like talking to people when they were out of they were they weren't living in your city, were they. There was like all over the place, so people was in Atlanta, you know. And then like that was this girl, uh came my girlfriend before y'all know how long I was gonna ask how long was that relationship? Like that first one, it was like on and off

for like four or five years. I broke up with that girl, got with y'all, did y'all did some crazy ship? All right? I stopped when y'all got back with the girl, broke up with her again to be with you. Yeah, then yeah, did some crazy ship and three she was just like we like, we like, we like fun a few times after, but she really wasn't me after that. No, the girl kept dumping. She just didn't get y'all's hold over me and none of that. So she was out.

And then I dated around, dated some chicks in Boston, um, you know. But me and y'all were still working off and on and all that. And then I hate y'all one day, like, yo, do you want to be with me? And not? Because I can't do this ship anymore? And she was like, I'm still doing my things. So I

did leave her from everything. Blocked to number got married maybe a year later, nine months, ten months, like turn to someone that you had in the intervening, did all that super fast because I was in such a like I was getting to where I wanted to be in comedy, and I was sucking, just feeling like, all right, how how am I going to be? This ship is so lonely bro. Probably is lonely bro. So I was feeling lonely. Man, I'm out here just traveling by myself, don't got no

one to call. All good ships happen and don't got no one to share it with, you know, call y'all. And she out doing whatever she doing, so she ain't answering because we ain't together, you know what I'm saying. So just feeling like, damn, bro, this sucks. This is not the way I want to do this. You so isolated, So it was like, well, this is the guy I want to be with. Let me just put it all

on the table. But you know, so much back and forth between us, so much doing stuff and break my heart and then meet like so much craziness that it was like, hey man, what are we doing? And if we're not doing it, then I need to like free myself of what this. I need to let this die. And at this point in time, you guys were both living in she was in Atlanta and I was but now yeah, so it was like I gotta kill this,

you know, just to to be free. So in the you know, interim of that, I met my wife and she was I think, in the same space in a lot of ways. Yeah, just you know, we're both around the same age, and just like I don't really want to be out here anymore. Like I don't even want to be out here like this no more. Bro. So, knowing all the risk of getting married quickly, both were kind of like, we're feeling it. Let's just go with it,

let's see what happens. Get married, bro. And then maybe six months later I get Common to watch I'm coming to New York and I had got married. That blocked off and her you think, so someone told her like I see SAMs Man on Instagram or whatever she called me from anybody didn't know, crying like what did you do? How could you do this? Like why why did you do this? I thought we were gonna be together and I'm like, what the funk? I asked you? Bro? I put everything like, like what do you mean I can't

hold my whole life up for you type. Yeah, like I'm four real married. She's like devastated. Oh my god, devastated. So and I had to devastate you in a right absolutely so then I uh, but she's still blocked from everything. I'm like, I'm married, you know what I mean, I'm really like fulling I'm married. So she's still blocked from everything and all that. I get comics to watch. She ends up being in New York the same week for New York Fashion Week because she was doing makeup for

the Victorious Secret. Not she was doing make it for the Victorious Fashion So she ends up there the same week. I'm there. So she hits me and she's like, would it be okay for us to just talk with friends? You know what i mean? Like, come on, I tell my wife. I'm like, she's me. She's gonna be this because I didn't want any funy stuff, Like I'm like, I want on funny stuff. I want you to see that she was dead. Think I was on some funny stuff. So I just found out she's gonna be what I'm

gonna be. Like, she wants to meet. It's like, I'm fine, with it. I'm fine with you going to have this. I tried you to have this conversation. Bro. So we meet at the seller. Oh my god, because I'm the dedication comes back. I was working, so I'm like maybe at the cellar, me at the cellar, like up there eating and she just starts pouring her heart out, bro, crying the whole bit, and that moment, I'm like, you're married.

I'm married. But I'm like, I love this girls. And also I'm like hating it because I'm like, oh, I'm never gonna not love this girl, bro, Like it doesn't matter what she does. Like me, why can't life be easy? Yes? Bro? Like fuck bro ship, but damn I love this girl because you do not love also your wife. It's not that it's something else cosmic, right, It's like ship, man. And it's also like I don't trust this girl. Man.

She do this ship all the time. She's just doing this ship because I'm with somebody, and this is like did you tell her that? Yeah? I'm like, you know fucking funk that, you know funck that toxic shit. This is all the seller Aller Like, I hate you, brother, Oh my god. We have such a fun, good it's antagonizing, but at the second I have to say, keep going. So man, I'm feeling all of the feelings, you know, but I'm also knowing, like you love this fucking girl.

Go back home, still not talking to her, still doing the thing. But it's not the same end. And partly part of that I take because my wife had to must have felt something on my spirit. Ain't know what she did, but part of it was like she was just crazy and stuff got crazy, you know what I'm saying. So it was like dual forces type ship. So she has one final spas out that I'm like, I'm good, I'm done right, And at this point, y'all and I

like talking periodically, you know what I'm saying. So I call y'all and I'm like, man, I'm done with this whatever whatever. She's like whatever. I don't care, but you always you always say whatever, but like whatever, you know what I'm saying. It kind of like she's been keeping me at real distance at this point, Like when I call it, she's like, what's up, married woman, Like, you know, just being that. So I finally him like I'm done with this for real, and she comes and meets me

in Arizona for good Arizona. Yeah, okay, that that is a tram. This is like I'm so invested, okay yeah yeah. And then um after that, I get back to my crib and it's like we're already we separated. You know, I'm sleeping on a couch thing. It was already like we're not doing this, you know what I'm saying. And it blows all the way up. You know what I'm saying, goes crazy, like cops called all this type of crazy crazy. So the next day I get finally in touch with y'all.

I tell everything that's happening. So she's like, mam my way. So she flies from Atlanta to l A. Comes I'm in an apartment. All I got is a fucking foot on. Bro. She took everything, My ex wife took everything. So there's a foots on and y'all in like a Bluetooth radio and y'alls just stuck in it with me. So why this is going on crazily. I'm going through the SNL ship that was right after God. So all this is going on, I'm going through the SNL ship. So I'm

in a audition process now. So I've just done like l A showcase the day after all the police ship happened. Wow, because it was like that ship happened on a weekend, and then she was like a Tuesday that was I don't remember. I just said, did it like my I had just started looking regular because my ex wife hit me, So y'all's there, I go do this ship. I'm like, I think it went well. But we're also like talking about like what are we gonna do? She's like, am

I gonna be here? Like what are we doing? D da da da. I'm like, I don't even know, like if I'm gonna be here, Like, you know, I don't want to get furniture. I don't want to do this place because what if I have to leave whatever. So we're kind of like in a like limbo of the space, and she also doesn't want to be in that place anyway. She's just like, I don't want to live in this craziness.

You know, this is crazy. But I'm like, if I'm still in l A, I don't I can't afford to move anywhere, so this is where I'm gonna have to be type of things. So we were also having that, so we were all we were immediately like we're going to be living together. It was like we've been doing this ship too long to be doing something. When she came there that had to be like even if it wasn't vocalized, it was like that was a confirmation that was true girl, Right. So we're just sleeping off time,

dugging through. I'm going through the court stuff, like I had to put a straight out all this stuff doing the S and now ship. I'm like, man, let's not buy anything we don't know. I was like, I just want to be in a new space and new energy. It just start life fresh. Didn't get the call and it's like you come to New York and like three days.

I'm like, actually yes, because I have nothing. So I go two weeks before she like closed down the lesser fair, shut down apartment like I did all the least stuff, did all that stuff. So she was still there for another like two weeks just on a foodstone with nothing. Comes. We stay in the sheritton until we find a crib and then that was it. And then you got the job, and you got the job when you were when you were showcasing for testing for it, did you feel like

it was likely because when you talk about representation. There's never been like I mean, like there's not I know, we talked about this with you too, because when when you were going through it, UM, it's that thing of when you don't see yourself on the show Vans, like there's no queer black women on that. Well, you know what I was like, so like I never cared about it before, So I tried to keep this like I never put it in. It was never in my plan

because it didn't seem like something that fits me. So I'm never like, oh, this is something I want to do. But once it became a opportunity, it was kind of like that's how I looked at it, like what could this opportunity to lead to? And like what could it do? You know? And it was and yeah for sure. And I also was just like board, I don't know, I go with the energy so much. So I was in l a bro. I was getting more of a comedy,

like getting more stand up. I was writing stuff, and I had written this UM pilot and who was all into it And basically it was like giving me like a little development there to just developed the script while I'm in the process of doing this, like I'm writing with somebody, but I'm not feeling good about its script. Bro. It just doesn't feel like me, and it feels like I'm letting everybody take too much control. But this is also because I don't really know anything yet. But I'm

so green. I never real script before my life, so I'm trusting everybody else. But I'm like, this ain't me, This ain't my. This sounds crazy, bro, just feels corny. But I don't know exactly how to like fix it, right, So that's going on. I'm getting bored with stand up. This opportunity comes and it's like it just seemed like it was put there for a reason. It was like, this is not you could go this other way, take this show because they're probably gonna give it to you

just because you black and gay. And and then like meaning like you know what I'm saying, like meaning like it's such an unrepresented thing that if you do this hacky thing and just it's explaining your existence rather than being your existence, they're gonna love it because like that's the type of ship they love. And that's what I felt like it was doing explaining myself is rather me just being And I'm like I just be on stage, but I don't know how to just be in this

form and but this isn't it. I know this isn't it, so then that's nothing. I'm just feels like right there at the right time, and it felt like if I walk away, then I'm doing myself a disservice and I'm gonna do the easier thing, go down this road, maybe this show where right stay a popular comic in l A getting shows whenever I want or go through this like really kind of scary thing that I've never done. I've never written a sketch. Yeah, I was gonna ask.

So it's like maybe going to this world I've never been in sketches, So it's like, do I just step with this kind of leap of faith? And this is where age and wisdom kind of informed that decision. I remember when I was in high school, I got an opportunity to go to Oberland College and I was for sure going to be able to go. There was a recruiter and I was like, I don't have good grades. It was like it doesn't matter, like we want you

to school, like we'll work it out. We're you know, you're smart, you tested well all this stuff, and I didn't go. I didn't go because I was like, it's Ohio super white. Uh, they're gonna know stuff. I don't know what. It's all this stuff in bro, And that felt like that felt like another so that I felt like an echo boom where I was like, I can't do that to myself again. If God's put in this in front of me again and I do this again,

then this is you have not learned me. So it's like, yeah, if you're great at stand up, now, this thing is not gonna make you bad at stand up if you care about it. You still don't care about your find a way to do it. You'll find a way to make it all work. And uh, if this makes you less, then something's wrong with you because all you can do in this situation is when sure, yeah what was when you got you got it? She was happy because she just wanted a new starts. She was just like, we

don't have to live in this. Yeah, that's cool you got a new job because and here you talking about things that are not in your voice and that you wouldn't do it. It made me giggle because then immediately thought of stuff that you have written that I do feel like or your voice. I feel like I don't want to reveal the premises, but like the things that you've written that like really make me laugh. But Sam's Randa Japperwalkie sketch and she's Rando sketch about a game

fire that may really make me laugh. And I pray to God that they see the light of day. Can I share this story because I was recently they had me to do some talk at some like management consultant firm this week. It was really it was great. It was a really good experience. But they asked me like, um, how do we talk about how do we talk about inclusion and the more like, you know, inclusion in a

more inclusive way. Yeah, sure, one of those questions. It was a really really great question, and like I understood what she was trying to ask. Um. She was like, well, look like, how how have you felt included at work? I'm sure it's tough or whatever. I was like, yeah, it's tough for everybody. It's not just specific to me or any other person. But my first week at SNL writing,

do you remember this? Do you know I'm about to tell Okay, so do you remember Tucker and Keenan wrote this future for Keenan to play Quincy Jones on Update. Um and this is right after that Quincy Jones profile came out on the Nature. Oh that was you too, Yes, okay, that was that was you too? Great but but you

come up in a story later too. But but is this right after Quincy Jones has had done an interview and Vulture about like all he could scious stories about everybody, and then see that this feature that was very rich, very rich, and then Keenan and it made it to air, right Keenan and Quincy Jones. It didn't fuck and it was you know, but it was so funny. It was

so funny funny. But there there was one b where he's like me, it was like I forgot who the celebrities he goes, Yeah, me and Prince would go to Japan and get our feet bound and go to a kabooky show. Yeah it was like that, right, yeah, So was this him saying like crazy crazy crazy thing like and there was just this reference to footbinding and then I literally and then I like it was at the re right table on a Saturday, and I was just I was so like meek and it was my speaking.

I was so nervous that. I was like, but I feel like I should say something about this, because I go, I sort of like, I don't even raise my hand. I just go, there's a quiet moment, there's a law at the table. This is just how you get like your your piece that you like, you're saying, we're pitching on, yeah, we're pitching, and I just go. And this wasn't even a pitch. I just go. In case this matters. Foot binding is Chinese, not Japanese. And like the reference was

that you went to Tokyo. I was like, for binding is Chinese and not Japanese. I was like, but like that's just that's just like information. And then you and Tucker and Keenan we're all like, thank you so much, thank you so much. And you took that so there was no tension around that. It was just like so quick and seamless and good. And you guys received it and you're like, okay, great and then you guys like just cut that beat out, not the beat, just that joke.

And then you came up to me at the after party and you were like, thank you for doing that, Like it just it just like it was just very important that you did that, and you and you really keep advocating for like what culture you represent, like all that stuff, and and it meant everything to me that you said that, because otherwise I of like not felt because so I brought that story up and to answer this person's question, it was like, I the more you

can break down any barrier of like someone not feeling comfortable voicing a concern or someone not feeling empowered to say something like that's all that I knew, Like I knew he was feeling that, because who doesn't that situation

that definitely you know, everyone's tense. Yeah, everyone's tense, and it's like and you you can't helpe, but you you're underrepresented and when you're going into energy, I don't and I don't think people understand it unless you've been in the situation, right, People who are on outside looking in all was like, wow, why didn't they speak up things? Right? Right? Right? Well Bowen was there and then that Asian thing got

through it. But also it's like what people don't understand is like when you're putting in those positions where you're where you're so underrepresented, you do feel a little bit of like I don't want to be that one that comes in and like makes everything an issue, and especially in a comedic space, well partially how we are funny. It's just the freedom to say with you don't want to be killing anything, You don't want to be killing any buzz or like you know, letting people get their

ship off, becoming that energy. Well yeah, it's like it's that thing like when you put someone in the room. Everyone on the outside is like, well, they have that person in the room, so it's dealt with. But it's like you don't know what it's like to be that one person in the room because you have no one to the left that is saying I'm here also hearing you. And that's why I just wanted to said it because

that was the point. It was just like, as a person that has been there, don't feel weird about saying what you need to say if your thing is being misrepresented. But it's also all on the approach where it's just like I like, how to think about exactly about what I was saying in the words that we're going to come out of my mouth I said, and then I was like, this is the phrasing I'm gonna use, And then what I said was if it's important footbinding is

this other thing? And then all you guys did was just cut out footbinding and then the jokes still work. It's still so freaking funny. It was like, yeah, like Quincy Jones and Prince went to Tokyo and like did all this crazy show, Like that's funny. It's like yeah, And it's like and that's probably because that, even if it didn't matter to us, you need to feel represented in the room. You need to feel like a represented

part of the process I was offering. I was just offering information that like could or could not be relevant to you guys as the writers of that piece. And like, you guys, it was at your discretion absolutely to cut it or or leave it, and that and that's what was dope. You didn't make using what we had to do anything exactly. You just like, here's a piece of information that could help or not help. But now you're informed and what you decide to do that is up

to you. And it's like you should definitely feel that, and you should, and and that's how when you're in the room, things like that don't happen. And get on TV or someone to say what was Bob, because that's the way to speak up and do it. And it's

like and that should always be encouraged. And I think for that s and is a way more encouraging place and it gets credit for and way more supportive space than it gets credit for, in a way more supportive supportive space of different ideas in different culture than it gets credit for. For sure. Like we've got like like six queer writers on that stuff. It's like pretty cool.

And like creators like last season it was like me, you Gates, James Julio, it was just like, oh, whoa, and like that's like a pretty age diverse, like race diverse, like gender diverse group. I was like, Oh, that's like that's like pretty great. I don't know. I do think it's a huge um deal and a big and a big big step forward for them to put LGBT people or more than one LGBT person on the cast. Yeah,

I will say that. I think I think in terms of visibility, I think we're talking about we spoke about earlier, how you know it's there are people out there who just look up on the screen and they assume that's that that people saying is where it's coming from these kids that are going to see not only just Kate but also you on screen. Now, I mean, I think it's it has been a long time coming. But my damn,

my damn hope is that there's space. And because I think it is a myth to say that, like, well there's not room for another just Gamian or another gay woman or transperson, like they're absolutely as like that. We do not cannibalize each other or the other. Okay, let's finally ask him the questions. Okay, Sam, what is the culture that made you say? Culture is for me like the cold like formative like piece of pop culture for you, I mean pop culture cure or it doesn't have to

be pop culture. He does something so specific to like the like the neighborhood you grew up in, Like it could be Boston, it could be like whatever general broad days. How much thinking too, because honestly I have telling that story. I have to say, seeing that lesbian in Atlanta, Yes, yeah, honestly, that is a moment at the moment did you know

what did you ever see? Fun Home on Broadway? There's there's a song called Ring of Keys where a young lesbian who doesn't know she lesbian, yet sees someone who comes in and she's got like this ring with keys on it. She's a butcher lesbian and she's The song is about recognizing that you know that person, but you don't know how and how you're attracted to that person.

You don't. It's a very specifically that pistillation of recognized recognition of sexual identity in yourself but in someone else that very similar. That's what you describe. Yeah, I'm saying. So she was in her jersey. Do you remember what the jersey? I remember it had to be like a um a ram, like a like a l A rams or some because it was like yellow window blue. Yeah, well maybe it might have been a yellow and blue food jersey. And it was like some phychology, so crispy

as Tims. And she had a fade with a part part I always want to part, I always wanted to part, and I was a line or apart, like apart like yeah okay, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah, And I was like that's dope. Yeah yeah. And then she stayed with you like she like I forgot seeing it. You forgot, never never forgot because I don't think I because it's it's really I get like jealous whatever not the right word, but I get jealous when people have

that moments that they're like the kid, I don't. I don't think I have one. I just remember I had a friend come over and we were swimming in my pool. Were eleven, and then I was going to bed, and I was like, I love my friend. I love when it comes over. I love his back. I want to touch us back. Oh. It was kind of this moment of like true light bulb moment of abject terror because it was like very similar to what you were saying. I think, you know, just I did not know a healthy, adjusted,

adult gay person that wasn't a joke. Yeah, that wasn't like that's not a life. Yeah, this was like that's just some like what what whatever? Yeah, And it's like you can't and then and that's why it's so important, like just forced to be doing ship because I get damn after damn from like young Black Lesban is just like how did you do it? This is cool to see because it's just like there's no there was no identity of a career that wasn't like a construction worker,

you know what. I'm saying like I'm solved, I'm not gonna be Well, it's because truly, it's like you don't you don't see you don't see any depiction of anyone leading a story or like kind of driving any narrative, let alone, you're getting to feel like you could drive your own narrative, because what the funk would that look like? I mean, I remember like just the devastation, the primary devastation that I felt when I realized this was, well,

I will not have a family. It was because I just did not understand how that could ever be a possibility, right, And it was because, you know, because it's like it was like as like this spinster lifestyle, like you couldn't there's no stability or one thing excluded the other. Yeah, and it's like not at all, you know, So seeing her for sure? And then right, let me think of like a pop culture movement. I think that's like pretty adequate. What was the music listen to when you were young?

A lot of just hip hop like nineties, a lot of like Scoop Dogs. You mentioned jay Z before jay Z huge, huge, huge one like between jay Z and Kanye got me through. Sure, what are your thoughts on like Kanye, like how he's kind of like progressed like with with the situation that it is now you know what it's. I'm a big Kanya fan, and I think that he was a part of me. Is like he was always going in his direction. If you listen to Think,

you think he's dropping hands early on. But even fun beginning to Kanye's music, it's always been very Christian influences. I mean one of his first singles was Jesus Wokes Like he's always been like an Avid I'm a Christian, Like all his rap has some part of that in it, and the sounds were starting to you know, be that. I always argued that Life of Pablo is a gospel album.

I'm like, it's a it's a it's a hood rap hard wrap, but it's a gospel album that is a praise album top to bottom, because it wasn't, yeah, because everyone like he's doing all this gospel stuff. Now he's been doing it since It's like Pablos got Beautiful Woe in it only became overt with something Jesus right, like that was the only time when it became like actual like thinking of himself and that. But even Registration day.

It was like there were there were notes of that, right, So it's like it's not crazy to me as a true fan. Seems just right where he wanted to lame. Remember when he got punked um and he was like, she tried to run off with his you know what set him off because the fucking guy that they planted who's part of the punked crew said the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh the way and that, and you see the change in Connie. He fucking flipped out. He's like and he takes it and he runs. He's just like, no,

don't talk about religion. It's always been there. It's always been there. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't seem like elite, right. You know. His mental health and all that stuff is another thing, you know, and I can't speak to that, but it seems like even if people don't feel it, it seems like he's more balanced. Yeah, just just just internally, um jay Z. On the topic of jay Z, I feel like I have Maria or anything for letting jay Z, letting queer little queer boys be the entry port. See.

I always knew of jay Z as a cultural figure, but then I think, yeah, honestly, when he was when he was on Heartbreaker, I was like, oh, now I like z me being the little fact that I was like literally trying to trying to like get Anny Mariah content I could. She was my first content concert too. I saw that Rainbow album. She got me through that break up, my first break up with my boyfriend that

I have for a long time. Absolutely bit it was everything she has friends, She's got one of the best albums from I would say in my room and listen to it so much. My Michelle comes over, Michelle Slot come over, and Michelle is like, this is not your life. It takes the album. They forced me out because they're like, this is fucking crazy in a week later, which I was like, really, I took it because I just wanted it. Well. That album is Stay the Night, and that was that

was I believe produced that. It was also say something is something we can forget it off on that album, never forget we want together together. It's like that. I think it's a very good first. It was a great to like, y'all keep coming for me for doing like

black stuff bitch get off the album. Yes, yeah, it was such a good Also, Mariah is fucking funny which is something I like about Mariah is that she's funny and that I love that she really is g TF, I'll get the funk out, Like that's just a little thing. She's funny like and she she has her issues as well, but you know what I mean, at the heart of it, I'm happy that we still have someone that's like trying

to get better and trying to be honest. Finally he's trying to still fucking exist in this damn and she's got to trying to erase her right. It's crazy. It's like I was talking to someone. I was like, Bro, Mariah carry made the first, Like we haven't had a new Christmas song, and how long centuries it's been. She is up there with the she's with domain. She's that's it, that will be playing forever forever. Like, come on, you

can't just do people. That's what I don't like that when people just trying to like do people dirty, just like write people off. It's like, bro, like, and I guess when you do this as a career, you see it more. Were like you're gonna go mad ship, yes, but you're just gonna forget about the ship. That's why sleabries be crazy, like, why are You're just gonna forget about the ship I did, especially with women, and I think especially especially with a woman like Ryan, who's a

biracial woman who probably struggled to find I'm sure. I mean, she's open about struggling to find a place her identity for her entire life, and then her musical identity in the beginning of her career being sort of a Selene diond type, to then her transitioning to R and B music and being like not super accepted necessarily action of Mimi was like I'm gonna do black ship because it

wasn't it was it wasn't super accepted. Mostly I feel about the white community, Like when she started hanging out with Dame Dash and Ship, it was like everyone was looking like she's stepping down, and it's like, bro, this is and that is not a step down. He's a part of the coach and he's a big part of And also you have to never forget that A lot of the reason why the first five or six years of her career were what it was is because she

was married to the owner of her record label. Y'all, yeah, and you don't know the darkness that that was and I you know, what I will say is that she actually is finishing her book and that book is going to say a lot of ship. Book is going to say a lot. I No, I'm a lamb. I'm in the Lamily And I will say that that you will, truths will be revealed. And I also went when she what did for caution? She did like I was invited to go caution? Is it? But just real quick cause

I was thinking, abou this what what's crazy? Is on a flip with Justin Timberly worked with Timberland. That wasn't said? Does it like he's not even he's not even black at all? Let's not forget. It's like why when Mariah is messing, you know, messed with Dame and so I messed with Ja, It's like, what's happened? Because it's starlet, Like that's crazy. It's because she's a woman, and obviously, and it's because she's a biracial woman, and it's also

because both sides. It's also because she's a woman who owns her sexuality and how dare she? And that's how people feel and the fact that Maria, almost thirty years into this, is still someone that we talked about. And you know what, the reason you can never erase her from the narrative is because she writes her own ship and that is why like she she will constantly reinvent herself and like also stayed on brand. Mariah is what was your thinking about she went to the Caution preview

or something I went to. There was a preview at Parcaution where she was kind of sat down and it was all lambs, and I mean, like the whole room was packed. So you were so excited and I was so so happy to be there and Maria's I sat with Mariah Smith and we were there and I was like, she came out and sat down and you could tell it meant so much to her that like people were respecting her and talking about her as a lyricist, her as a composer, as she has composed arranged like maybe

we're a carrying the tub on. It's because not only is she this big personality, but she's also happens to be one of the best singers of all time. And people can't accept that you can be this larger than life personality and one of the best thingers of all time and and be this good and accept Again, it's like when you're on the outside looking and it's it's just like like watching football from your couch. When you're on outside looking at you said a lot like I

was talking, um yeah about this. I was like, what I realized now and this is just a limited amount of times that I've been on camera. You cannot care about being on camera. There could be an amount, there could be so much like on camera nous that you don't give a funk. So people sometimes be like they wore that on TV and I'm like, yeah, because there wasn't TV, and give a fuck man, TV, bitch, they always on t V. So Mariah Carry did that on always.

It's not for nothing. What are you talking about? Bro? Like when you're like it's important to you, everything is relative, it's not important to do. She's got things to jumble about Cribs. Bit she showed up and had a good time on Cribs and goddamn right, she's got a fucking practice, you know, like cribs, Get the funk out of here. Also, never forget that the whole time she's juggling being the best singer of all time and maintaining that which thirty years and it might not be what it was, but

it's still something. And so that the fact that she runs her own business as a songwriter, the fact that she has a brand to keep end not for nothing, but she is managing bipolar disorder. This is and and problems in her life and children, leave leave alone, Leave mariah Alone's um, this is the thing. And it's like what you're saying, like watching, Yeah, the pleaves and myself included, we're gonna be watching from the cheap seats for people

who do like actual crazy. And the thing is like at the end of the day, it's like what you're doing it on any level and you can look in a little bit, you're like, whoa man? Like chill? These are just like people trying to like live like it just happens to be you do this thing like I missed the times like I missed, like it just being when you didn't know ship And I can't imagine when it was like like being Beethoven, because it's like no one knew he just played the ship. You come, he

played the ship. He liked the ship like it go home, discussed the ship, but no one was like Beethoven sleeps with his brother's brother's friend gave a fun. No one gave a fun. It was probably a damn fag at

some point. Number six nag. It was at some point, though I don't know what happened, And it's always gross to me out and it's maybe because I've grown up with like celebrity in my family, and but it's always bothered me that the public at some point I felt like they had rights to your life, not not your creative not not right to decide to support you creatively.

You're not not a right to buy your music life, but right to your life, to your personal life, to your personal decisions, and they get to determine what those should and shouldn't be. And it's so wild and gross to me. It's like, how do you feel like you're old that? And then it's because they think they're old your success. They think your success is completely dependent on them, and they don't give any credit to the fact that you had to do a bunch of ships for them

to even see you. So it's like, what kind of nutship is that when you gotta go out and you gotta apologize for some personal ship you did in your house to a bunch of people you don't know because they're mad and they deserved it because without you there is no them. It's like the first celebrity of the cow tail. Fuck you because you ruined it for everybody. You should have just told him to lick your ass, manya business body shit of don't. That's actually number four,

number number nineteen. You should have just told them to lick your ass and don't and also leave Maria alone as a real culture number fifty leave honestly, like what the motherfucker's aren't like the people that like they could A motherfucker could poison us with lettuce. That nigga don't gotta come on TV and be like, I'm sorry to know. We're just like, don't eat the lettuce, don't You probably shouldn't have a mother frecker can poison us with lettuce, George,

never think with lettuce. But there you are algy demand for Britney spirits who can barely lift her head up. Let her be let her be let her paint. There's some energy. We gotta move on. I don't think this is the one that a segment of lost culture is where we absolutely go off on something in culture that we're saying you thought so no, no, but this is the thing that we don't like no more. I want to say, I actually do have something, and this is a little bit off the beaten path, but I'm happy

that it's finally being addressed. Okay, okay, I'm so happy. I'm so excited for this. This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many of your time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Those urinals at the restrooms in the airport with the little flies on them. There's a little flies urinals. What the funk is that they're on all of them? I don't think so, honey, you're making me pee on a bug. I don't think so honey,

that they're drawn so realistically. I almost and I really don't think sings only myself because I almost took a picture of the urinal, had my own piss in it to make sure that peop it would recognize what I was talking about. But if you are using male restrooms in the airport, I think at JFK N L AS you know what I'm talking about. It's these urinals, and inside the urinals on the thing that you pee on, which is a k A. The back of the urinal. There is a little fly drawn on every single one

bone confirmed confirmed? What is that? I don't think so, honey. It has me thinking about like and now I'm aiming for it because it's there. I'm a very good aimer when I I don't think, so honey, this like this art artists on the urinal and I think, what is it? I think it's so that you do aim and so that there's not a lot of splatter and backsplash. So

they're trying to get me to target my piss. That train that you go to the side because doesn't fly around, Well I'm sorry, but first of all, I didn't need that. I'm a civilized person. Stop my p fly around because if you're if you're pointing your dick like perpendicular to the actual surface, then then it's gonna splash back and then I have never had this. Cops, Jodian is gonna have to clean up a bunch of dried piss off the floor. That you understand, all this means you're piss

is crazy. I mean, so you're a crazy uncut and people with four skin we can't control our aim as well as you met it be uncut. Thank you. I had nothing to do with it. If I could go back, I would. I would. I would reach my baby hand up out of the damn thing and say stop it. Now, put that stop. I said stop. I said put the stop. I said now, I said put that put that snicker down. I said, yeah, okay, I've got something. This is bone yangs.

I don't think so, honey. On this episode law Schools and this time starts now, I don't think so, honey. Mel at tone and bitch, you don't work, get a real job. You are not happening for me in the right possible ways. I take one of you. I take one little gummy knocks me out for four hours. I wake up the next day groggy as hell, can't fall back, can't fall back asleep because my hormone are like, nope, you've had enough. It fucks you up and it actually

does more damage than it does any good. And melatonin, I don't like this whole thing where you're like, oh, it's um, it's not dangerous. It's actually it's naturally produced by your body. No melatonin. If I can get you in gummy form, that means that you've you've done something bad in the world, and that my body does flushes you out and I don't actually need you. Let's we gotta break away from the gummies and this, this is this, and I don't think about gummys in general. It cannot

feel like candy or else. Kids will eat it and odeon vitamin C and fish with so um. I'm looking out for the children. Melatoninsted, you're done, melotonin. If you come for me in my family, I will sue. That's one minute, and I'm happy that you incorporated. I will sue you catchphrase. I think that you are correct. Melatonin doesn't work, and I believe that every single melatonin is a placebo. That's what I have to say about that. You never feel great the next day. You never feel

well rested, just melotonin. Thank you, Sam. Sam. Do a topic that you'd like to go off on, I don't know if I could go off there long. Yeah, you can just check out your We're we're stupid. We run out of steam like thirty seconds and then we just like yourself. But I mean, yeah, okay, great, So this is same, James. I don't think I have to you have to. You do have to. This is same, James. I don't think so honey, her time starts now. Okay,

I don't think so, honey. To the Popeye's Chicken sandwich, yes, I really I'm over this fucking sandwich. First of all, was kissing me off the games that pop Eye is playing. It's like, you're a fucking chicken business. You don't got enough sandwiches, bitch, that's just chicken and bread. Were like, what is the deal that y'all wanted this thirst over

the set? Like Popeye's is jerking off over the that people are like stabbing, Yes, are like rolling people over, are like being crazy over the sandwich, And like, I don't think so, honey, to the white man that runs popeye'es, I just wanted niggas to look crazy over some chicken. I don't appreciate it. It's absolutely fucking ridicul it is, and it's like also probably not even good, Like I had one when it first came out and it was straight but not enough to kill anybody, not enough to

kill anything over it. It's video after video, people just acted insane. So white dude went inside the Popeyes y'all everybody called them a nigger oh the sandwich. Then they beat him up outside, took the sandwiches from them. It's like, it's this where we are America, and we wonder why this ship is going on. We need to let the Russians take this bitch. We don't know what we're doing, so let me tell you the stabbing stabbing This week,

someone in line stabbed someone over the sandwich. And then we're like, and we want respect around the world, like people are dying for real reasons, and we're like, you know, we need a sandwich, do we genuinely? It's just raised generally prefer the chicken from Popeyees over the chicken from KFC. I mean, yeah, yeah, I think they can't see went

way left. What happened to CAFC was when they said that they was growing the chickens in the lab and they was making like and they showed that crazy looking chicken and everyone was like, we good, were actually okay recovered from that rumor. It was like probably not even true, but yeah, okay. You can't have a white man sell like the face of a white man sell your chick That lady I hate the Popeye's lady. I don't know the poo's the Popeye's lady when she just oh, I do.

I do like it and I hate her as a person. Lord, Lord, get her off. The Popeyes has bettered potatoes than any other players. It was that like she could just still be normal, like I can't. I don't get why the let just can't come on and Papas has a great chicken. You know what does she do? Honey? You want you know? It's like like w B frog shit like w frog? Um? Well this, Yeah, you're totally right. It's artificial scarcity. It's like when they purposely make something scarce so that there's

more buzz. Yes, it's like people, Papas, y'all be in Jordan right now when we were shooting Nova Speakers. You gotta do better, you Jordan. The sandwiches, get the people, the sandwiches on um. Sam has canceled me on the internet for I'm ordering chick fil A at the Writer's every Yeah. Well, I have to say I can confirm that there are days when Bowen looks me in my eyes and wants to go out of our way to go to and I'm saying to him, now, well, it's a Colorado thing because I don't do that so we

can all overcome our past. I'm not gonna. I'm canceling, cancel culture on both of you. Okay, you don't eat it. Let Oh no, they're closed. You have to do that though, because you white reparations, my nigga, you need to abstain. But like you already gotta take somebody else not getting up chicken, you know my stuff. I gotta give up just being black. I'm not giving chicken for that. One

can stuff. No boom, you're alone. You're supposed to You're supposed to fight the chickenl like this is your fest. I'll take it, honest. I'm getting my lemonade, my fries. If Top Eyes can't get it together, I understand you. This has been a fantastic I love this episode. I love being here. Um we closed every episode with the song heartbreak. You've got the best of me, But I just keep off coming back and sessh did you have to run your game? I should have known right from

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