"Kunt 4 The Summer" (w/ Sudi Green)

I think of it as sisterya. Well, I think not to bring up work, but I feel like I'm very fastidious about credit where credit should go and like that was you said that, like that that credit goes to you because that is drank you for lifting me up. But I'm just saying, if you want to get on the podcast and say holiday vibes, because it's a holiday vibe, that is I don't own that. That's I share that.

That's about what the holidays are all about, share sharing and the gift of a phrase and you but see, it's just you are a pump of phrases that I really love being described as a pump. You have no idea what that it is. It is a better day, miracle worker vibes, the pump down me. I am Helen, I am the other one. I'm either of them. I'm the damn Keller family going to the pump and saying, what's this? A phrase? A phrase? Basically, that's you described

how Helen Keller sort of came to be. Do you believe that Helen Keller was carrying do you think she was carrying down? Well? What was she giving? She was giving lessons, moment she was giving giving iconography giving. Um, let's just say, when you see a young girl bent into over a pump, really, that's why that's why I brought up miss and I'm saying, like you iconically know what that image is like, that's miss Anne Sullivan, the teacher,

the miracle worker herself. It's not Anne Sullivan. And literally, literally I'll bet you twenty five dollars any Sullivan. Okay, hold on, reader, hold on. While he looks, I just want to say, we're in a Brooklyn podcasting studio. The energy is hot, holiday vibes alive. We're here with we we say hot engineer a lot we got we got a hot, hot engineer. It's hot engineer Waltz or everybody. He's okay, he's just he's he's making he's throwing his hands up. Okay, I own that. Oh my god, who

could forget? And Bancroft, I forgot it, Bancroft as any Sullivan. Can I say something to keep your money? Babe? We made a bet. I'm a man of my word. You know how I said before about how we share the phrases of the giving and the gifting and the receiving, and then whose phrases keep your money? Who does that? Was I gonna say? Sorry, I'm telling you we share it all, and I'm saying that it also goes with the money. My money is your money, girl, girl, and I feel the same for you. How many how many

versions of The Miracle Worker did you? Guys? Did you have to watch in like elementary school? Well, definitely we You know what my favorite time was whenever in English class you would read a play and then you would watch it or you would act it at like like like okay today, yeah you're going to play um, the Crucible, like the lead guy on the Crucible or you Yeah, what were your plays? I Well, we definitely did The Crucible and we definitely did The Miracle Worker, which is

why I say, really those are interesting. Those are interesting choices I'm telling and I'm telling you those are my favorite days when you get to act, get to do the play. Sometimes they are frustrating because some kids, and we can say it not readers, not readers well, like as in they didn't actually read the text, you know, as in like they struggle reading the words. Ye famously absolutely, and also some a lot of actors we know, not

that we know, but it's like you them. I'm just saying, the long you work in this business, the more you go. I didn't know that famous person has trouble reading, and it's I don't think it's a dislexive thing. I think no, no, some people just aren't good at cold read. Some of the best actors in the world. That's not the way they internal I'm so bad at the cold read. You feel this way? Can I can I just quickly share my plays in high school, Um, they were we did

it well. We did West Side Storyans in the eighth which was my favorite, and that's like it really did solidified, like why the reason why I wede Story is my favorite show us. And then in high school we did Streetcarting Desire, which I also loved, but I. We all had to everyone had to be Stanley or a Blanch or a Stella, and I had to be like Marlin. I had to be like Stanley. And it was humiliating because you because I had to play mass. Well, yes,

if you're playing mass whatever. Also, it just sucks as a gay individual you want to play probably like being a probably see a flop playing blanch. Oh my god, it was flop parade down, not giving, not carrying, not holding no thing. There's nothing more humiliating when a girl can't give Blanche in class. Nothing. It's so humiliated. Is you know who could give Blanche down our? And this is the sub kind of see Williams mu this is I've never seen more blanche energy. That's insulting to an extent.

Well no, okay, wait, actually the more I think about it, But what I'm saying is when I look over at our guests, it is the icon. Thank you. That's what I'm starting for icon icon. Our guests, Walter laughing, Walter's laughing, hot little laugh, Oh my god, inaudible. But the shut up, sure, I got shut up. We don't know if he's whatever. Um let's about our guests, um our guest is really one of the one of the best people out there. A watershed human, watershed human, I agree, I don't disagree

which watershed human? I mean, there's where do we I'm overwhelmed because I don't even know where to start. Well, let's start in the beginning. Born Actually get this, and this is all My sisters were born and around. We were born within ten a week of each other in Africa. She was born in it and she was not born in Africa. You lived in Africa, she lived there, She was not born there. You were you born in Indiana? Okay, born in India. Oh, my god, lived in Africa, but

not born there. Oh. And I never said that number once. Number once. But as I that's sometimes I get my girls mixed up because my one girl was born in Australia. Here a rather girl girl. I think she is really huh when she went icon icon iconic right, Blanch Blanche, Blanche,

vibes blanche, Rachel Ziegler vibes, Holiday vibes. Honey, I mean, I I want to do the letterman thing of our next desk needs no introduction, and you just did it, and now we said it, and now we said it because you if you listen to the podcast for any number of years, and it's had to be for at least a couple of years for us to be exciting for you that we're entering another's, that we've been in another summer of count and that we have our guests here with us to really process it, unpack it. Um,

we couldn't be more thrilled. This is one of those days where you smile all day and then you get to sort of the moment you're and you've just been smiling so much. I've been filing so much, and as my tears come to my eyes, people have been asking for this. Oh, you wouldn't believe the requests, and it's here, and it's here at the sort of we could say end of the summer. Well, we're at an interesting time. We're at the sort of the twilight of it, you know.

And then this twilight of summer, we begin the summer of Count four by bringing in the Queen, the iconic Blanche, a watershed human. Welcome our guests, suit En. I've always relied on the off him, another legend bride in this room. You definitely played Blanche in school. Oh my god, no, I didn't, but I remember my freshman year at m y U. First of all, thank you for recognizing me as an African. African born I carry, but I did

my freshman year. We did street Car my freshman year and we read street Car, and I'll never forget It's just like my second week at m y U and my professor goes the first lines to the play and I'm doing like an incredible impression of him and he like kind of had like this like very big head and kind of pointed with like a t rex. I think, yeah, I think I had him first line. Here meat catch it and he's primal and it's sexual, and I was like, wow,

I'm about to get educated. Absolutely, Oh this guy is his name started with an R. Last name was an R. Robert something, Yeah, Rang Gilly. Maybe we're naming names. That's not wrong, it was, but definitely there was a Ran Gelly Famously study and I were in the same program, and I really I really just like, well, miss the Eyed,

I'm just I get Missy. I'd listening to you guys talk about that time in your lives because I'm just like, I mean, we've done this literally every summer of kind of episode were you guys where I'm like, what was that like? Because I really don't everybody wants to hear people who went to n y U relive those days.

That is, especially other comedians. I really want to hear about kids and went to YU and what it was like, Oh my god, the sort of live like variously in that experience and also talk about your musical sketch group that you're all, oh my god today. And I told someone we were really kicked out of a musical theater improv group. You and I. That's right, we were. That's fine, that's funny. I think that's I would know. I'm so

much you were great at it. I was noo. They kicked us both out because we both, I guess, lacked what it was the technique of musical improv, which is it is a technique. Yeah, but girl, we were given we were carrying down. You saw happy Karaoke fun Time, which by the way, that was its name. Let's not let's not drag this wonderful you know, shared effort in the in that group. You're right, it was incredible, wonderful people.

Let's talk about the fact that I wasn't accepted into Danger Box yeah, your improv group, so actually kind of you kind of Happy Carrio Keep Fun Time to meet. I didn't I know, I did not invite know what happened for Happy Caria Keep Fun Time. I can't believe we're talking about this. What happened Happy Area Fun Time was that Matt and I were asked, were invited to joy and then plain the premise of the musical theater. So musical improv, it's what it sounds like. You know.

Sometimes typically you have a pianist or a musician on the side of the stage kind of like playing like a random chord progression and then people in the theme will happen. This show was different. This show was so, yeah, any random chord progression and then typically meet musicians will uh the improvisers will improvise the melody, the verse, the chorus, whatever.

For this, it was just like karaoke tracks to already established song, Like so you were doing like parodies and so and then you had to like memorize you were doing parodies you had But classically my favorite form of

comedy the hike the song and make the different. And I gotta tell you, when I'm watching an arsenal, I was like fucking parodies, like the parodies I have to my name, but parodies you just get to that point when you're at S and L where you're just like you start in your being like I hate puns, Like the only observation behind like word humor, word play is that like the words sound like other words. And I'm like an observation and then like cut to you being

like what ry Trump? It's actually Trump? Now this is on a technical level. Why don't think you've done that many parodies? No, I'm saying, no, no, you really haven't. Those are I feel like the show overall doesn't even do that. Can I say one thing? I think there's something too like when so so? Sort of what we were really doing was like Mimi musical theater improv. It was so it was well it was that, um, we had to learn the like let it go. We don't

have like five songs, remember what it was. It was like five songs would be in rotation, and when you would learn them, like I didn't like, let's say I didn know like sweet Child of Mine, like like I would be like, I guess I gotta learn like the melody like and that was like an element that made it even more difficult. It was hard and so then so what happened was we were summarily asked to leave after two rehearsals in one show. And that was that.

Because do you want me to give you a word? Yeah, okay, ask ask for it. Okay, um, okay. So we are we are too younger, too younger, and we need we need. All we need is a word. Remember when we did do improfit as Gray's Anatomy Drag, something we well, I asked you, I was booked for Josh and Aaron show, a gay show for all people, to do plux. I was scared out of my mind. I did not prepare anything for the show. I asked you the day before, Matt, you have to help me out. And I was in

a creative globe. I did not know what to do with myself. And I was just like, Matt, let's just I'm gonna let's go to the story pirates closet, get some lab coats and some wigs, and let's just do Gray's Anatomy Drag. Remember that it was we bombed so hard, it was really awful, Like it was like because this it was going to be bowen and I were coming out as I think Christina Meredith and Christina, but I

looked more like Izzy. So like the thing is we were said were Meredith in Christina, but clearly already it's really that happened. It was so blind, So already the bit was weird because people were like that because they're too hot. I was like too like Catherine Hagel, and so I was obviously crying out to like I was an incredible crier, like doing that. I write that I said I didn't know what hell mat um. So then I thought I was a surgeon. But I I thought it was a surgeon. But I'm not so well. I

guess that puts an end to the evening. Meredith Meredith, what an incredible Fanali, it's a front runner for a lot of awards. It really is bo and actually I think that we have to talk about potentially chasing cars. The song getting the one Division Award for Television absolutely, oh my god, it's a serious front runner. Great campaigning for that category has been I love Lucy in the

in the grape stomping. Yes, you know that's a good one. Anyway, So we fully bombed anatomy dragon prov we bombed a happy karaoke fun time. But can we get a suggestion for a work? Yeah, we're from our story and improv career. Let's do it. I can't believe this. Shonda okay, okay, Shanda's got a smile that it seems to me reminds me of Year of Yes, How do I get away with Murder? And bridget in anal sex was there? She wrote a book about saying yes because she sat he

hasn't many times. That's how she got a business schedule. Never see something that was as funny as it ever couldn't be, couldn't and then that was that was That was the That was the lowest deeeling on the comedy. Ye did you guys write that? Because it feels written, It feels like you guys wrote it. Were just yeah, I feel like it was so good that I thought you guys wrote it. And I actually think that this was so good that it was written and SNL is

so good that they have to be improvising. Oh my god, that's clearly what it is. I'm always like wondering how do they get so funny? It must be just because they get a lot of funny people together just sort of mess around are you guys just like messing around? Just like yes, messing around. Wait, we have to say. We were at the dinner of the other night and the waiter pitch just sketch, but we have to say it, and it was don't don't pitch a sketch, you guys,

come on, don't pitch a sketch. It was, it was, It was hard, and I think he learned a valuable

lesson that night. I don't think he should we just I think he might have because the embarrassment was so I felt terrible, but I also didn't feel bad for sending that boundary because I will say that this was this was like a young man that I'm a young confident man that I wanted to teach like I wanted to teach like a mother, you know what I mean, Like I really I really wanted to explain to him, like I totally know where you're coming from and this is the way to do it, and I'm going to

tell you the way to do it. But it wasn't like appropriate. And then at the end I panicked and he said, can I pick you guys a sketch? And I went like this and we did all left because it was it was funny, and I honestly I was shook because when he asked the question, I was like, oh my god, I'm assessing myself right now in the situation, and I know I'm gonna like be like yeah and you being like please don't end up being a funny moment.

I thought was the perfect way to handle that because we didn't have to hear it, and we tipped him big. I told him, I told him, please, don't let us tip you first. Let us tip you first, and then you know, we'll all have a good night or something like that. And then I told him later that you know, oh, you can't tell us because even if it's good, we can music because we'll get suit. But I did you know, it's just a lose lose, like there's no good way

to get it. And I totally get it because I was young and I saw Mara Efron eating in a pan Quintitian and I thought like, this is my moment. She's going to see me writing in a notebook and be like, hey, what are you writing. I'm engaging, you know, like, hey, I want to know what she and she's wearing uggs that her mom got a target and they're not ugs but cobras or whatever, you know, And I thought, I really thought that now I wasn't like a young man,

and so I didn't walk up to her in that moment. Writer, But there is just something. I was talking about this with Julio last night, like he was talking about now he like, his first year in New York, volunteered at the Tribeca Film System to watch films because he was like and then he thought, because he genuinely thought at the time, yeah, I do a good job. Maybe the last meet to submit a movie. And then and then I was like, this is for me like high school,

middle school. I'm gonna go into Hollister and fold up some of the clothes that are like unfolded and made. They'll ask me to work there. Totally, totally, Where does that come from? Somebody? There's has to be something in media or something like our parents told us that was like that happens. Are you just like a fucking young idiot? I don't know. I think he was just this guy

was just young. But the other night I think he was also like, you know, maybe maybe like I think he genuinely thought he had a funny sketch on his hands and then probably and you know what, maybe what this is the crazy part is that had nor e Fron come up to you, she would have discovered that you we're one of the most talented writers of them that it's in the world. And so maybe what we've fucked up about we up is that we we're talking to the next Loren. Well, this is what I think

is like the fantasy. I thought about this a lot because meant to be, but I've been I know I'm going to get cut. We're not saying not to be

when it's summer of that's well, okay. So I've had a lot of experiences where you walk into a room full of very lucky to have these experiences that you walk into a room full of like your heroes, like the ultimately and there is this fantasy that I have and I think a lot of people have where it's like when you are to meet Like one time I was walked into a room and it was Martin Short and Calf no Hara and then who is God, I

can't believe I'm forgetting her name. She's also uh second City Canada person, not Andrew know Andrew Martin, Andrew Martin and god, I'm so annoyed. I forgot her name anyway, So I was working on Miam Marty and I had to give like Marty a new script or something like that, and I was like, somebody told me, like he's in there with Katherine O'Hara and Andrew Martin, and I was like, oh my god, and I was like, can I go in?

And they really can go in just whatever, So I like go in to like put my little script completely interrupt their conversation, but also like whatever it might. And I'm like, um, Marty, and I told my little thing and then I just like stand there with like a big smile. And then I'm like you walk out the door. And the thing is is that that's what it is. That's actually every single interaction like that, What do you mean at the end, like stood there. I stood there

for a beat, I smiled, and then I left. In your In my brain, I always have the fantasy of, like, oh, if I were to be at the ultimate dinner table of like everybody I've ever looked up to, And this is the fantasy, is that you sit down and they all go, oh, Sudi, have you met Sudi? Katherine O'Hara. This is Sudie and I love her and she's brilliant and she's the funniest person I've ever met. And actually, and actually she's the next you, and you should love

her like she's your daughter. And um, Sudie, would you like to eat and drink whatever we're eating and drinking? And would you like to tell the story? And we'll all laugh and listen. But guess what it actually is? You lack in You give them the piece of paper, you smile, and you leave and if they and if they say keep pants, then you take that home and

you never forget. I think that this fantasy is still maybe like incoming, though I've definitely had moments like I've been like, pinch me, like I can't believe like this person I look up to is saying something nice to me. I've definitely had those pinch me moments. But the thing is is when you're a room of when you're in a room great babe, you don't register and that's fine, and you know why you gotta do. You gotta find your own room full of grades, and um, bitch, that's

where I am. And I'm including Walter Walter Walter I'm including you in your floral top and top where you get it the stores definitely in competition with us. We're Benobo's spokesmodels. I don't know if you've been on Fifth Avenue and check it out, Walter might like what you see? Um like I do right now. Um. Anyway, floating away from that to say, I think that for me, like that happens. And this is not to like plug, but when forces coming out for me, like when we were

sitting before pandemic, when se Shawn Hayes would come in. Now, I like, I'm sort of you know, we're friends. We text whenever I like have him reach out to me.

I'm like, this is this is a man like tonically funny Yeah, like when like it's just like and talk about like being one of the very first like truly gay men on television playing a gay character, like now that I have a relationship with him, that is that As a pinch me, I would say that Sean Hayes is like, low key one of my great comedic influences because I was so obsessed with Will and Grays growing up and it truly was like I remember watching like

that Thursday night lineup my dad would always watch Thursday Night and like it was Friends into Well and Grace, Friends into into Fraser or something like that. I think Friends was first, because Will and Grace was definitely a step up in terms of it's going to be a little later and later than Night. Believe it was. I could be lying, but like Will and Grace was our favorite out of that lineup, and I have so many, so much of his timing. It's just like burnt into

my brain. Like there's this one part where like later in the season, Debor Messing is with Harry Connick Jr. And he comes back from like Cambodia or something where he was that he was like doing Doctors without Borders, and he shows up with this woman that he's been sharing like a tent with like this like hot female doctor. The whole episode, Sean Hayes a K. Jack goes, I would die but die, Oh my god, my god, I would die. A radical show for its time. I know.

It's like we say that now and it's like, oh ha ha m my My favorite Jack moment is um he's wearing his apron and then I think, uh, Debor Messing goes and then it says kiss the cook on it. She goes kiss the cook and then he goes he looks down at it and goes, oh. The audience loses oh oh, and then the audience is going crazy for

like twenty seconds. Truly. I mean, I do love that I missed that, not to be like we need to go back to before, but like what I liked for one division was it reminded me of the live performance aspect of the sitcoms, like the way Katherine Harrock killed those first that first episode, the way she was like her coreo in her comedy like traveling and what did I say? Katherine Harron was like, who is this a new girl? My god? And please, I'm sorry, but honey,

when you need to be corrected, you should be. It's actually a really culture number four. When you need to be corrected, you should be my mother. That's actually you know that would be like your mom is like you know that mom? Well, the thing about my mom is that she's very corrective, but she's kind of always right.

The thing need to be corrected, you should be. Like what I was saying was like the Catherine han of it all, Like that's a type of performance now that you know you never get an audition to that type of stuff, like like honestly like thank god that like we got that role paired with that person in that type of acting environment because he was so incredible at it. He's an unbelievable physical comedian. Yes, yes, absolutely, it's crazy Sean Shan Shan Shan, And I gotta come on, can

I say yes, you must talked about him? Oh my god, that'd be great because I I was just gonna bring it up. This is my like ethnic animalog almost but not really. The first time, I might be the first time I worked with b D on the pilot for Nora, I was fully a fan. It was just like, can we take a picture together, and he kind of was like sure, Like at that time he wasn't. He was like probably so psyched. He he was just like no,

I think he would cop to this. He was just like, yeah, yeah, well he's a very like he's a very sedate and he was just like that. At that time. It was just like some like to him. I was just like some some dude like I like I hadn't I hadn't gotten hired sell yet, and I think he just didn't. And now he's just like maybe he like sends me

like every kind of cheerleading message every week. You were his waiter in the restaurant, pitching he did not know who you were, and leading to who that young girl was. If this waiter asked for a picture, I'd been like sure, even though that's unprofessional the restaurant yet I've been like, yeah, sure was that wasn't I don't want to talk about him too much. I feel that No, no, no, we're done.

We're talking about her. We're talking about the impact of Will and Grace on television and how we watched television and Sean Hayes's abilities as a physical comedian. And now we've sort of expressed that sentiment. Thank you, thank you. Bet Wong basically didn't know he was speaking to Jesus at the time. Yes, yes, Yes, should we do the thing? Do the thing? Check in about everyone's summer of und You know, there was a glimmer of us. I feel like there was real potential of summer of unt there

for a hot seconds. But we're all going through I know, God, Okay, should I go first? Go first? Okay, Well, what's coming on me? I'm famously moving to l A w This is this is a rebirth moment. It's huge study has sort of shed the skin of SNL. The cocoon of SNL has been sort of cast off. Thank you cocoon, Thank you Chrysalis cocoon. Yeah, I guess Chrysalis, right, Yeah, I know it's so crazy. Don't work there anymore, but I do feel like spiritually I always will. Like it's

very fucked up. It is so in many ways who I am. The fact that I worked there, like it just was my entire life really and like, um, it's also like a huge part of my identity in a weird in a weird way where it's like, I, you know, no, you take the good with the bad, I think, and like yeah, And now I'm in a place where I'm like, I'm glad I don't work there anymore, but I do miss it and know that I will miss it, Like

I'm like scared of like the first set back. I don't know if I'll watch, but I want to watch, but I don't know if I will. You just just just make the call, like on the day, and then I'm like, yeah, it's I think that you'll find your boundary with it, un once you see how you feel watching it. And also it might be different every week. I know I have talked to people who are like, I don't watch the episodes, but I watch clips that

like I hear about. But it's also like, I don't know, I want to see what people are doing, but it's so loaded. It's incredibly My friends, be funny. This is the thing. It's like anybody who UM works in Let's say, who was I talking to you recently? I mean, but it's it's it's anybody like UM. Let's just generalize within our own like world. Like it's like anybody who works in TV goes home and they want to not watch productions.

It's that thing. And so for you, maybe it's like you probably will just be so you'll have this incredibly immense top layer of awareness of like what went into what you're looking at any given moment, and that just feels like not pleasant. I think what will miss is the feeling of in the moment knowing that you can

do it like that. That took me a while to get there, but I do feel like in my last like three years, I would have moments where I was running around and really busy, but knowing that I could handle what was happening, and that really felt like a superpower in a way. It felt like like one time,

I love it, I go for this. I think this was like one of the first I think this was her first year where I was like we didn't really know each other that well yet, But then I was like, I love this bitch because she was like, you know, it was her first year. She's not in the show like a ton you know what I mean, she only knew cast like, so she felt a crushing sense of loneliness. I won't speak on her behalf, but I feel like that's like what her experience was. I'm so sorry to

keep talking. Well, everybody's first yearious crushing, not to not to just diminished, but I'm like everybody's first years. That's how you could describe everybody's first Um No, but this is this is like she had a light show and she had gone to a store and she had come in, which is like totally fine to do. It was like, you have a huge block. No, I don't want to say the store. I don't want the store. That's not that's not the store. I just I just said a name. Um,

And she had come in holding shopping. She was like saw me, like knocking on the door. I think I was like talking. I forget what I was talking abou maybe it was today because and she was like hi, and I was like hi, and then I like to knock the door. Okay, she's working. Okay, she's she's a woman at work. And I felt like so seen because that is how I felt. I felt like a little bit like okay, I'm like being a boss right now.

And then she saw me and I was like, oh, like she's like recognizing this in this moment, and like it meant a lot to be seen by another woman in that moment when you're about to knock on the door and you're holding your papers and like you know you're about to This is a lot of this summer of kind of I wanted to talk about going into rooms and handing out papers because I think that's something

that we haven't really gone to um. But I just felt like really seen by her in that moment um she was like literally, God, God, like can I say something? The reason I don't know if this feels too obvious or if it doesn't, even if it if it goes without saying, but the reason, I think your identity might feel wrapped up in that job. Is that is because

you were so good at it. And I feel like we're saying earlier you can generalize what's universal about working there is that in your first year you feel crushing. When you arrive, you feel this crushing sense of loneliness. Everyone's reasons for leaving are so so so specific, and there is no universal thing, but like thematically ties them

all together. And so for you to leave and for you to feel this way even after you've like even even as you're about to embark on this new chapter in your life, you are leaving in this way that is like bizarre because you're like, you could still do you could do that job forever. That's what's scary about it. You could have been a lifer. And I'm actually so glad. This is not to like despaired anybody who's done that or or I just think for you, that is not well.

I wanted to be I wanted to be I wanted to be Paula pell I wanted to be and I think that I really, you know, had people respected me at that show and eventually and I feel like I really earned respect. But I kind of realized at a certain point that I was never going to be like beloved by certain people. I was never going to be uh, anybody's little darling, you know what I mean? And I was always going to be a worker. And honestly that

um energy. Not that I need to be like praised or coddled or anything, but just feeling like I wasn't. I was never going to be um cared for, not cared for, respected maybe, but not cared for. And many people at that show are very cared for, and being in that position it just made me feel like I am not getting out of what I'm putting. I don't I'm not getting out what I'm putting in, And what

I was getting out was incredible things. Getting to make stupid ship with my friends that costs a lot of money to make and they let me make it Like that was like the end all be all, but it was too hard. It just gets too It doesn't have to be And I think That's what I'm excited about for you most of all, is the work life balance is going to rock your world right now. I already feel it. We literally like when study came to l A, like it was kind of funny. I did predict that

she would find a place very quickly. Day one, you went out and saw like five places. I went to. It's like a little tiny little house. It's so cute. It's an apartment, but it's like it feels homish. It's like a half a duplex. Yeah, it's really really cute, and like just like being in there and like walking around and like planning where things were going to go. I was just like, you know, this is a new beginning.

And that's the thing is, it's just like you we all ask people, and I think this can apply to anyone in any career. You can stay at a job and love it, but you need to be able to create new beginnings for yourself at your place of work. You need to be able to in any environment make make it exciting for you and challenging for you, and also grow into a place where you're comfortable there. Change or die. I don't know. I've always had these moments in my life where I feel like it's time to leap.

Like I have this image of like, you know, you're standing on this precipice and it's time to jump and fly and you might eat ship, but like that's okay too, because I've eaten plenty of ship and I have had that, and it kind of does end up happening. Like I think, like about like six years, isn't that isn't isn't that like what like scientifically it is to like every seven years that that's like a new cycle of expertise or of like like you just kind of like you hit

a wall. Horrenda says six years and she's a scientist. Yes. In a recent interview, she literally said, for some reason, every six years I do have there's a change, there's a change. You know. Maybe I'll go back, maybe I won't. It's really not up to me. But I'm happy. Yeah, that's your Your impressions are really in the pocket because it's because it's there. I am zen when I am zen, When I am zen. When you're not going to tell

me you are dismissed, you aren't dismissed. TikTok. I have time today, I do have to say I'm one of the most excited people in the world to watch Potomac tonight. Yeah, because we're all gonna watch Potoma tonight and let's celebrate that. Let's celebrate and we are. And then White Lotos the finale. I will watch the premiere. I'll watch the finale. Honestly, I don't think I feel like your energy around that has been like you're not really wanting to watch it,

so you can watch the finale. Yeah, I'm fine with that. I'll find who's in the damn box. It's too good, and I won't allow you gotta watch it from the beginning. Whenever you want, on your own time. I've watched the premiere. I'll watch the boat episode, which I heard was fully improvised. I love that. It's a Jennifer Foolidge moment. You got to watch the whole thing. Okay, okay, whenever you have a chance. Um, I still haven't watched one Division yet.

I watched the first episode like three months ago. Well, we have an award dedicated to it. I'm not keeping up with everything you two are doing every second of the day. Well we have an award. Like I'm listen to your tap. I barely comment because you know, I love you and I don't need to know everything because you're so president the episode, I wasn't you're so president on the episodes. My sister always tells me, she's just like, yeah, they were talking about you and I love Oh, I

love it. I love attention. Yeah, I love attention. Wait should we go back to six years like the Killing the six years? Or should be housewives? We've got a lot of done so six years done? Yes? What are you doing now? Um? I'm in the I love this for you, room readers. Um, it's so fabulous. Um, I love this for you. The show that Matt Rogers is going to be a serious damn regular on. That's Nasa Bear, Jeremy Stay their name Vanessa Bear Jeremy Byler. That's actually

a great duo. Such a good dude, Bear Byler. It's actually very full circle moment. First of all, because I'm writing for my baby, which is very important. And also Vanessa and Jeremy were kind to me in my first year of SNL, my crushing loneliness. I remember, We're kind to me in a way that they did not have to be and literally saved my experience there. There was like such a dark moment my first year at SNL

where I forget what had happened. I had done another schedule I thought was good and then it didn't go and I just felt like I was giving my best and I like wasn't getting anything on, and I was so distracted and depressed walking to work that I walked into the street by my house and a car almost hit me because I wasn't paying attention and I was walking in the subway. And then I thought, this is how it happens. Like this is how things like this happens.

Like you're distracted, you're like so sad, and like then like you just getting sucking hit by a car. And then I remember it was like, oh, I was going into a writer's night. And then that day Vanessa texted me and was like, Hey, we're talking about this thing. Would you come in and like pitch on it or whatever? And I remember sitting in her little office which was then my office, and sitting on her couch and being like, oh my god, I'm into Vanessa Bears couch and like

pitching on like some commercial. I think it was like this lint chocolate truffle thing that they like put to the table a couple of times. It was so funny, and it was like just Vanessa being like Linda chocolate tier and she falls in love with this linch chocolate tier. It was very funny and and and then they would just so kindly reach out to me because like they knew, I don't know, you know, they just wanted me in the room to pitch, and I just couldn't I couldn't

believe it. And so the fact that their show is what I'm working on right out of us now with with with my sister here with MS Rogers, it's just too good, such perfect, perfect one time study. I was texting her a lot, like when she was first got the job, just to check in on her. And I remember like, at some point in the middle of the year, like you said that, Vanessa told you, like I just want you to know you can talk to me about stuff. And I just always remembered that, like I always remembered

that Vanessa said that to her. She was the first cast member that ever said like, you know, I get that it's hard here sometimes and you can talk to me about that stuff, which is so did that she did that. She didn't have to do that, and you you you you would still cite Jeremy is like you were like You've always talked to me about like taught

me so much. Yeah, you worked together a lot. You guys are on my m Marty together to Yeah, like you brought up Jeremy a lot in my first year working there as a writer, where you were like you'll get it, and like you know you just like you'll learn from the people who work here. Like my first year was Jeremy Bailer like showing me the Ropes and I was like, oh, that's so, that's so generous. I mean, it wasn't even even like showing you. It's so the

way that show works. And I think this is actually a way that a lot of things work, which is like people when you're like on a job, people don't sit you down and show you things, and if they do, it's maybe for like a day, for like an hour. Like really the best thing is to be a spot. And I just feel like I was watching Jeremy being like this is too long, we want to land on this, let's cut this. Well, we're at the bottom of page too like and then it me be like logging all

of this ship. Um, you know it's I just remember, like it's so it's it makes such a positive impact when someone's new someplace to reach out to them and just be like just off for kindness, Like I remember what this is Like, it's I weirdly think they are comfortable. Like when I would start at a new restaurant, I would never feel so anxious that I did on those days, Like when you walk into a new restaurant and like you don't know where anything is and everything. I just remember,

like and you want to be cool. And because also it's about like socially fitting in, because that's a whole other part of it, like where you go when you go to any new job, and I just remember, like the people who trained me when I was working in places like and now in my professional life as well,

when people are nice, it means everything. And that's why, like like we were saying, like we always say, like it's just be being like a positive person in the work because the light even just not getting angry at someone they don't know where something is or how to do something like because I get like environments can be stressful. Now I'm thinking about every time I didn't do what we're talking about. Well, you know you're not always held to that. I mean, it's it's hard to all hard.

Everybody is also always going through their own ship. That's the other thing too, which is why I like means so much when somebody is like, you know, going through a stressful time and then they do take that time to like yeah, but it's not realistic to um uh expect that everybody be the light always that Now. I'm just saying it's nice when that person is there, like and also like when you can when you find yourself in a situation where you can be that person, even

if it's a little exhausting. Sometimes it's nice to give that extraf for just because I genuinely feel those things get paid back, you know what I mean, Like I I will never I'll never have a bad thought about someone who was kind to me when I was anxious, you know what I mean. Like, I'm we're good going forward. That's why you know we see with Potomac, you know, Wendy's not being warm to me because Karen sort of

did that with her. Is that what you're saying. I mean, we've we've seen Wendy be hazed, and you see the hazing happening with Gaselle and Robin as well. I mean with with miss Me with miss Me, and they better

not come for a skolo. Hold on. Before we before we talk about Potomac, I just want to also say I didn't mean just I was literally just no, no, no, no, I want to talk about Potoma, but I just want to say I've there have been moments and I've pointed this out to meet to these people, to the to Sudy and Matt, but I just I am so warmed, heartwarmed. But by watching you too talk about this show and how excited you both are for I mean, like I want.

When she said that she was going to meet on it, I was like, oh my god, every bone in my body was like, please make it, please, please, please please please, and that how that it's happening. I'm just like, I feel it's going to be such an amazing next step for you. Like I just think like that that's for me in a room like where I really feel like everyone,

everybody is really good. And then I'm like, oh fuck, like I actually have to really show up every day because that's like where the bar is, and and I like that all you can ask for. And when I was leaving SNL and I was thinking about what I want and I was like, you know, okay, well I'm going to work on my own stuff, but like, you know, what what about like you know, rooms like do I want to go straight into a room or whatever. And I was kind of like veering towards, like, let's not

jump right into a job. And then I thought, if it's people that I know are amazing and I like and my friends, and also like people that I know that I can learn from, and that's why I told my was like, I really we want this job. I really want this job. And then I feel really lucky to be there. And Jesse Klein is show running and I'm such a huge fan of hers, and if people haven't read her book is her book is so good.

It's like one of the best comedy memoirs I've ever read. Also, I feel like she gets very real and honest in it in a way that I feel like a lot of times those comedy memoirs it's very surface level because they just got the book deal. But it's like she has this incredible essay about like being at the Emmy's and for inside Amy Schumer and like having to pump. It's just like so fucking incredible. Anyway, Gus, ultimately the lifestyle shift is going to be very important for you,

and I love that. And I also want to say, and we have to say when this happens. She found her hair. She found she found her hair, and there's really no I mean, there's no needs to really believe this. Maybe in six years. No, I I am going to have this hair. I'm gonna be like Lisa Rinna. I'm going to have this hair when I'm sixty years old. I'm never getting rid of it. It is there, It is the hair. And I feel like I can say that because I'm talking about my hair and this shag,

this L. M. Hoff thing that I'm doing. You know, Sandra, I think a fair copp is Sandra Oh. And I think on certain days, depending on where it lays, it's a little gen z l. I'm off when I'm feeling young, but um uh, you know it's gonna. I don't care if it goes out of style. I think I have classic. I think I have to do curly banks because I think I have a gigantic forehead and a huge head. Honestly, a huge No, I really do. And I think that

banks are really a game changer. And so many hairdressers in my life told me that you can't have early banks. And then my hairdresser, who is a queen, Michelle at head Dress okay, but don't go and get my exact haircut. Please get creative, because I have I have, I have to guess on Michelle because she is an artist and I want her to have all the clients and all the money. But also I know some people who have gone and kind of gotten my haircut. So don't do that.

But get a good haircut from Michelle because she can do a lot of things. We love Michelle, and you can get my haircut, but make it your own, bitch, Like, don't even don't tell me you went to my hairdresser and show up with my exact hair It's like, do that, but at least hide it on your own journey. You found that organically. That's so fucked up because organically, fucking Danny Ray told me about it, because Jody Smell hair

queen told me to go. Everybody, yeah, effort. But important is that you landed like and you landed in a place where you found your hair and if you got my hair cut, you know who you are. Oh my god, now can I just really quickly, um just I also want to add as an adendum, add as an addendum redundant.

But the beautiful thing to me is like in terms of this triangle, like it's the first time in a while I would say that I've seen you too, like connect over, Like Matt's listened to you and me study talk about s and il fucking for years, and it's probably like he's probably like he's you've You've You've always listened, You've always been there and supportive, but like I'm sure he's sick of hearing us talk about this Studi's listen to me and Matt talked about podcast ship for however,

however long too. It's like this is the perfect way to like we had many years of working very closely, right, but then there was there was there was like a black box period like you, but I also and you know, I think like honestly, if I was to be totally honest, like when you guys both start, the blow was less

than with you. But I knew what to expect because the when you did start working at that job and it is so demanding, I told myself like, oh but we'll still be able to like keep up this level of working together, but that was just not a possibility.

So by the tragic you know, in a way, it's definitely like it's not tragic because ultimately, what I ultimately told myself was this is going to benefit everyone in the orbit creatively at some point, and you're willing to when you are doing this career and like you really mean it and you really know you can do it. That's actually an investment in the future. And it's like you have to invest in your community around you, which is why it's like been said a million times. But truly,

a rising tide does lift all ships. And I think if there's anything, there's a little thing in your head that has an insecurity, the little voice in the back of your head says, oh, well, you won't be able to keep up with that. But like, and and what's so nice about what you're saying about meeting here is it's like it is validating, you know what I mean. Like the fact that we get to do this now and work on the same project is like very and

we're very fortunate. It is a dream that we are lucky as hell and one of the three of us going to make a little show together and I'm going to just pitch something, Okay, happy karaoke, Well, just so you know, we are bad on HBO. Max. It's gonna it's gonna be the first bad show. It'll be the first It'll be the first bad show to be good. And I think I hope the budget is a big budget. Have you guys watched Boy Island. I'm not with with

looks so funny on it. I have not watched a second of it, and I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that it's called and then it feels like thirty rock and I but it literally feels like a thirty rock joke. So f y, I well, I just know that HBO Max is going in the direction of like what we're all reality is going where they really like it to be arcs, like they love like narratives. And I'm like, that's so funny that there's a television show called boy Island that I

could invest in. I could invest in what you mean, like that it's called fun boy Island and it could be something I watched week two weeks where you're like, oh, you're tracking stories, yeah, and it's and you're tracking a story, yeah, but but not when it's abjectly as much as was like funny, as like fuck boy, that literally is a thirty rock joke. And it started with some of the Quimby shows when they were like these sound like thirty rock jokes. I'm like, Mama, look on television, it's fun

Boy Island. Like everything is a thirty rock point. We're leaning in, We're leaning into thirty rock being reality. I'm President Trump, Death to all of them? What Trump? I'm blanking? Remember dump huge? I think that's something like he's got a big fat booty like Rump is good. Hey Trump, nice Rump, your big old dump dump. I'm crying. You're crying laughing right now, readers. Bowen is crying. Am I

out to say, readers, Yes, that's what they are. Okay, Um, big things in the future, Matt, you want to go next, Sure, I'll go next. Um. You know. I am in New York shooting the film Fire Islands, and we are Um, it's it's sort of funny, like very little of the time we've spent has felt like work. Like I think that you're you have you your role is obviously larger than mine, and like you have some like real work to do in the movie. Like there's like, you know,

there's difficult material for you. For me, I have just been having the best time, Like I'm just like kind of doing my little like thing like playing, and then later on in this in the shoot schedule, like there's like some stuff but um, but it's just as the Lydia, I you know, famously Lydia. If you're if you're portraying Lydia, you have some demands. Um. Absolutely to be a dumblest

one's Lydia creates scandal in the Bennett household. I'm really and you know, I've actually been thinking a lot about It's so funny when when we announced that it was happening, everyone was like, of course, Matt is Lydia. Matt is the only Lydia. And it started to feel like a drag and I was like, Okay, what are they saying? When I read Pride and Prejudice, I was reading Jane Austen's words and reading Lydia's story and thinking, this is

Matt Rogers. Is it true? People? People are like the fucking Edwardian novel of like women working their way ups. But literally the response was like, of course you are Lydia. And I'm like, all right, perfect, Like I love it and I have been like examining it and I do like you know, you remember, I mean like Jane Austen, you know she she is talented girl, girl, talented writer girl, you know. But I're a smart, funny you know her.

What happened. She get married, she had kids, she moved, she moved and she got married and she had kids. And now I think I want to say that she's like farming. Yeah, yeah, you know that's hard. Farming is hard. She always wanted to farm. Yeah, and she has helped. Yeah. Well that's the thing. That's the that's the thing, you know. She You don't do it alone, no, no one does. It takes a village. But if you can pay for help, that it's fine. Like then Jane Austin can pay for help, right,

you know, real farmers, right? And how much is she farming? Really? It's like, you know, like is you know, picking up the harvest and canning maybe a few peaches, like making her fragrances. Her name is on it. Her name's on it, Yeah, exactly. Guess who's in the photos with the beats and then the Jane, Yeah, Jane. She's really there to sell it move products, which is work. She looks great though, beautiful, she looks really beautiful. She got she got all the Yeah,

beautiful girl. Beautiful girl. Okay, So anyway, just like really enjoying getting to know the cast and like it's a really fun group of people. And um, it's funny that you said like the m being in proximity to heroes thing before because Margaret Trow was fully on the movie and like it's such a like a wild thing for the journey to go from. We were too afraid to ask her the question. Now she's like, now she's like a colleague. She's a colleague and she's telling us a

great story. I mean to ask. Well, famously, she was the only person that we did not ask the question of what was the culture because we were so I don't think and it's not like that was when we were really a baby podcast and we traveled up to go interview her, and I remember it was one of the most nerve rack. I've never seen a more nervous Yeah, I was. She was. I mean, I'm comfortable saying this even though it's not necessarily hashtag cool, but she was

my comedic hero. Yeah. I mean she taught me. I know. Yeah, I actually told her this when she was on the podcast. Um, and I think she received it. Now I'm kind of just like hey girl, but um um, which is you know, its own type of mind fuck. But I when I listened to her stand up albums when I was in middle school, she taught me what my sense of humor was like in a way, it was like revealed to me. I was like, Oh, that's what I think is funny. That's what I want to hear more of. Like this

type of queer comedy I had never heard before. I didn't get the references. Like one of my favorite joke runs ever was CC Bloom. I mean like when she went into how there was a bar named after Bette Mitler's character and beaches in San Francisco, and how she said it was that was the gayest thing I have ever heard in my entire life. And just the audience dying, and how you could feel her as a performer even

just listening to it. It was just and I truly when I was at that age, I mean, this was when I was realizing who I was in terms of I mean, in many ways, the culture of the names

like culture was for me in a way. Um. But now it's like we're doing a movie with her, and like we get to talk to her and like work with her and like, you know, there was a scene we did this dinner scene the other night and she was doing something and but before they called action, she like looked over and shook me in the eyes like she was mid telling me the story, like in the setup before the shot, and I was like, I'm looking at Margaret doing a movie. That's what I also all

summer like, I mean, y'all hurt conversation. I've been in New York a lot, and I'm just trying to have fun and you know, like really enjoy everything because I think after like who knows what's going on with um, you know, the not to bring it up at vary engine everything. But we've had like a really nice moment where we have all been able to have like some semblance of a social life in a summer and getting

to do all these fun things. So it's been really nice and I'm trying to enjoy whatever you know is left of it. And I'm also so happy because we really have been able to see so much more of each other, and I really like being able to see you all the time and like us be able to be there for each other like when we're laughing, and

also need someone to talk to. It's really special, and you know, I really think we're so lucky to have that, and so like when and then Sudie with you moving to Los Angeles, like I know that we're going to spend so much more time together than we've have in such a long time. Really why I'm moving? I mean, it isn't it isn't. I mean like it is. Though I was thinking about this the other day. When I'm with the two of you, I feel like the most like myself than I ever am. Like, it feels like family.

It feels also like I'm not thinking about a damn thing, and like pack and watch Potomac envy with us. That's the vibe exactly. That's what we're doing tonight. I'm going to be putting coats in suitcases and seeing what the hell wend you have to say that, Gisel. At the same time we're ignoring Scala, we're erasing Oh my god, I love the scalar Con sisters. Your hair. Does she go to your bar? Your Michelle? I'm sure that Escalan and I go to the same hairdresser is pulling some

looks that are reminiscent of Taylor Swift. Red Era. I'm like, you go for it. That's with this where we are. We've talked about Scala like more than probably we have Ashley, and Ashley is a main cast member and has going through a lot. She had a child, and we're talking about Scalar more because Escala has the in factor. And when we when we get to the point where all of a sudden we cut to a confessional and it's

a Scala. I'm going to scream, scream at the top of my and it's gonna be a meme, like it's gonna be like, it's just gonna be the first. And I know if her stylist isn't an idiot, they need to give her a huge Christina Aguilera and Mulan rouge Wig and it needs to be like truly a moment because what we have with the Scala is potential and I want to see it played out. Scala is a star and she has her son analogies. Our apologies do

so does anyone want to apologize for anything? Our apologies do? Again? I feel she's not thinking in that moment exactly for me. With you two, it's like the same. That is just so I think that's that's the power. That's why she's so impactful to me is because it's like, oh, she she's being very real, literally person. I can honestly see her as like a Kyle, like somebody now it's going too far, see her being like we're seeing she's the storyteller.

She's the one explaining the narrative to us. She's like, she's the way she grounded. I mean, I I think that if she had started at the beginning right now, she would be center couch because I think that Kyle is our way and she's she's exactly and like she is. She knows how far at this point. She hasn't always known, but Kyle knows how far to go. If you watch from season one, Kyle is the protagonist of Beverly Hills, and actually everything that happens on the show, Kyle is

the protagonist. Her When Erica is breaking down and her Mace Scarrett is running, we're with Kyle, you know what I mean, Like Kyle is the protagonist, like Erica is Kyle's friend in the show. Now, but they find a way to build girl. I cannot watch the show though, without thinking about Hidi and Cecily's bit do you took out of the power where they sit down at least, like love, this couch is this purple. Look at the whale. There's a little whale on the wall. There's that. A

whale's a whale seafood. Oh, I wonder what they got here. I'm hungry. That's not hungry. If we're hungry, let's eat. I mean, what we're gonna do, not eat? We have to eat at some pointable table over there on the couch. We can sit and eat. So Erica, she could go to jail. I love. Then the housewives discourse has creeped into the section for my culture because that really makes a lot of sense because it is the culture that

I consume but decompressors down. Um, that's what that show is. Um. But yeah, and other otherwise, like in terms of life stuff like super excited that you're coming, and very excited, and like I feel very grateful that I get to be a part of very queer projects that I think are going to be fucking great, like the way Fire Island is cast and the creative team on it, and also Q Force is coming out and I'm really excited for that, and like Booked and I'm really excited for um,

you know, in the new year to shoot the Vanessa Show. So I'm feeling good job, baby, And I have to say that you are working your little butt off. You have such an incredible work ethic, you bring it incredible energy to everything you do. And he's an ascala. I mean, Matt is a star, reliable star, natural star personality. Mr personality. Do you agree, Walter? Okay, he goes, Yeah, I think Boby stuck in terms of us of the summer of Cunt, I might this might be a summer that I just

I can't access the cunt unfortunately. And that's okay, that's okay, it's okay. I mean I've I've talked to you guys about this, like off offline, but um, I don't know, like I just really have to, like I have not had to genuinely like confront uh the way that I am comfortable with infuriy already, Like my whole life, I've been like that's where I've been that I've just I've been.

I'm used to it. I'm used to feeling um bad about myself and I think this anything anything working on this movie, which I'm so grateful for, um, but as the Jane right she goes through probably would would you guys say that Jane Bennett goes through like the worst time in the book, Or maybe I would say that Jane is a character who honestly befalls great personal humiliation and hurt. And it's hard to put yourself in that spot when you're when you're someone who struggles with like us,

I guess like, would you say self esteem? Yes? And that's that's that's basically what's going on. And Julio is pointing this out. He was like, this is this is a movie that um thematically is like testing a lot

of different things in your life. And the only thing that would have made it worse was if you know your character like had like insane like it was, if your character was put in conversion there right like that that was that would be like so much more real and so much harder to separate that from like Bowen And um, your dear friend wrote it too, So there's like and it's so and it's so well written in Joel is very vivid, so vivid, and it's so it's

so lived in and all those words around ratives, but um, it's I don't feel inferior. Now that's so crazy to me. I feel, I feel and just just I know in context it makes no sense because like I've had a great summer but in a wonderful something and like, I know, this is like a moment where I should be like, you gotta be grateful, you gotta like really just like

drum that up at any given moment. But I'm like Something's happened in the last few weeks where I don't know what it is um where I'm just like, oh, I just I yeah, I don't know. And I've and I've had and I've had hard scenes so far where like literally Andrew On our director, has like told me to like in this one scene, okay, now you gotta now you need to look at the mirror and just like really like ask yourself, like am I ugly like like like truly like dig for that. And I think

it's like really fucked up. And now I like, now I understand what because any time I've heard actors say like, you know, I really had to get home with me with me, I needed to shake the arcter off and all these things like what does that even mean? Whatever, It's like easy, You're you're reading words off the page, okay, Julianne Moore, you know, like truly, I'm like, what what what?

What is? What it's worth? It is? And I keep reminding I'm always I always feel so stupid when I'm reminding myself, like, oh right, acting is hard, you know anyway, that's what makes it art though, And I think that like what I guess what I maybe is this is a solution here emotionally, not a solution, but something useful is like to understand that because you have an understanding of that experience and because you have an identification with

what the character goes through, what you're going to do is project that with the truth to people who will feel seen by what in the book Jane Wins and like, and not to give spoilers about the movie, but like you know, what you're going to reflect back is really something very beautiful and touching. And while it may feel like you are person totally like far from that, Like I think that like at least what you can know

that like you're going to give like such a truth. Yeah, don't be upset, And I'm sorry, I'm sorry, it's okay, I'm sorry. And sometimes I just feel like I've been getting so upset so often that it just feels like people are there's a lot hiding me for it or like scolding me. There's a lot going on, and here you talk about it like the way that you talk

about it. I think it must be difficult to howeveryone be like you deserve all these things, you deserve all these things when inherently you don't believe it, And all I want to do is believe it. That's all I ever want for you to do, is just genuinely I was I was believing it for a long time, and you're you're you're talking about like, oh, like you've lived through this in your real life, and I'm like, and I thought I got away from it. I thought I I thought I thought I was so past it. And

I was like, look at me. I'm like doing great. I'm doing all these incredible things and all my dreams are coming true. And I'm like, oh, but wait, it's still there. No, No, maybe it's it's okay, it's okay, it's fine. I'm sorry. I don't don't apologize because you know what, it's very real and I want you to know that, like it's it's okay. To have like any emotion that you have and stop thinking about how everyone else is gonna like receive it or take it. Guess

what you are living your life. And all I want for you to do is and and the thing is like, no, we're okay, Yeah I don't. I don't need to thank you all. All I want you to do is to know that like I'm I'm feeling for you so hard that it's hard right now, but you will feel good against okay, and we'll just fight through it, all right, and and and it's all going to be fine. I'm

We're we are so here for you. I mean, like I think that what you're saying about like I should be grateful and all this stuff, which is like two things can be true. Two things can be true. You can have the perspective. I mean, we're sitting here and we're like looking at what we get to do, and we're all like recognize how rare and lucky we are. But your day to day is still your day to day. It's a lot, and it's still it's not even pressure.

It's just like I'm looking at like you know, like the schedule, and I'm like I'm like putting in my account. I'm like, legit clerically doing a lot of work where I'm like, which I like to do, but I'm like, okay, I gotta so this thing will be on that data, you know. I'm like, I'm doing a lot of like emotional logistics, if that makes sense, and that is fucking weird. I wonder how who can help with that. I'm like, oh no, no, it's it's not that like I need

to like get help. It's just that I'm like, this is this is this is part of the work, and it's like my I'm thrilled and honored and I couldn't be luckier that this is like the project that I get to do the song for the first time, like in a long like you know, for sustain a period of time. I'm like playing, I'm inhabiting one person whatever.

I know, But you're also doing this for the first time to like this kind of work, and so I feel like it is everything that you're going through and talking about it seems very actually natural to me, and like yeah, like what Matt was saying, which is like I just feel you're feelings, judge the feeling. No, no, no,

totally totally. He literally said that last week, Um, I just you know, I guess, and I know that you've been feeling this way, and I think sometimes like for me, it's just like I just want to make it better for you. Sometimes I feel like I I sometimes do so much to try to make you happy and like I almost like try to force feed joy onto you. And I also want to tell you that, like I do validate how you're feeling, and I want you to know like if I ever project to you like, um,

like why are you doing this? Like like like whenever you're like, oh, I really want to week off and I'm like, um, you know, and I'm whatever. All I'm just saying is I do hear you? And like no, we both hear you, and now you do know I know, I know. It's just I'll get through it. Um the

only ways through with these things. And like I got I have fun things waiting for me too, and I'm like god, like I I looked out like crazy with everything and so like that, and that can also be concurrently true with like all the shitty parts of how I'm feeling now too, and like tonight I'm gonna watch Potomac and like laugh my ass off. What are we gonna worker I would like to do honestly, well, never mind what because what I want to do is like

something we kind of just did. I don't, I don't know, I don't. I'm not like that. What is what is the birds of a feather? Yeah? That, like this is amazing also kings of Kings cad. I also feel like, bring it back to bone and I'm sorry, don't you No, no, you should express because I feel like we're speech ifying at you and like and you guys don't have to do that either. Neither of you are ever under any

obligation to make have to make me feel better about anything. Um, I just want you to feel the thing that we all deal with. So it's I think it's a really important thing to talk about because I think that you bring yourself to every situation, you bring your ship to every situation. And like, I feel like I'm a big compartmentalizer and a big disassociator huge that is how I function in stressful situations. And that is bad, very bad

in a lot of ways. Because sometimes I put something in a box and I put it away so because I couldn't deal with it right now, and then it shows up in a huge way, and I'm like, where the fund did this come from? I put that box away so I could deal with it later. And then sometimes you don't get to decide when you have to open the box. Yeah, totally. But also I think that to two things can be true, many things can be true.

Hold no want nuance, no wance, no nuance, because it's also like, look, you're going through this fucking emotional ship. You're taking it home, you're bringing it's bringing up all of this you know, trash feelings. Yeah yeah, but also you can live in a moment that's joyous hanging out with friends on set or like you know, we're going to go to them, He's together. I'm so fucking excited. That should be a joyous, celebratory time no matter what.

And like, I don't know, maybe I'm asking for too much compartmentalization, but I do feel like that helps me, Like you know, but it's so hard, and I think the opposite thing where I'm like not compartmentalizing anything, and I might run my mouth and like nothing. There are no boundaries when it comes to things, and I never set them. Where do you think that comes from? Um?

Never getting the opportunity to maybe like, but it's fine, what do You're never getting the opportunity to I was being foisted the boundaries from like from someone else all my life, which is which is fine, Like I don't I don't have to unpack that now. Literally, my therapist is on vacation for two weeks and so this is timing out wonderfully. Everyone is always on vacation. It's like

one of the most horrifying things about the world. I think we should be on vacation at the same time, Like, do you know how many times, well people in the entertainment industry, Actually they're always on vacation. That is true. I think we should all be on vacation more and ignore with you And I really want to go with my sisters to go down to Orlando to ride the Veloci coaster. Well, I want to go to fucking Grease bitch. Um, I know, but so far there's no park there. Bitch.

You are Greek and we're gonna sit. We're going to have the most to Greece. To be Greek, I can go to Orlando would be Greek, should be we should be like France and everybody should just be like off for the month of the August, the worst month Matt has to travel. Matt has a season effective disorder during August, only in New York. This season of August. You don't like New York in August. I have a disease, seasonal defective disorder where I can't like in New York in August.

To the human I didn't know that it was. Well, yeah, because it's just so different everywhere else. I will say, August for me is a trigger month. I know, I literally brave and bold enough to say that. Not. It's not only just the humidity. It's because every single year, when you're in your twenties doing sketch comedy, August is when SNL rears its head and I have so much trauma from that month, um that it actually was a big reason why I had to move. Yes, yes, do

you think over time you will build more distance? No, it doesn't bother me anymore. It doesn't. You said the other day, well that for this year, it's exclusive because it's exclusively the weather in New York this time, because now it's like it's like that thing of like you know, when you were anxious going to school and you could feel it turned to September and like you smell the

air and you feel an anxiety. I kind of have that with the month of August now in New York because the humidity reminds me of a slog at a time when I was like stressed out and unhappy. So every time I'm here now, it's like kind of a fight and I have, I have, and I'm brave enough to say I have cried of the days I've been sorry,

not even yeah, but it's okay. It's like it's like literally like it's fine because I am genuinely very happy, but like there's something about the heaviness of the humidity and like, you know, it's also like a time for me where things are changing a lot and there's a lot of shift, like and also you know, there's so much uncertainty that sometimes it is nice to just and I am water water water water water signs prior, like

it's just it just is what it is. August is an interesting time because I feel like there is like a cognitive dissonance with August where it's like it is the time where the environment, the heat, the weather, the summer is winding down, sooner will be the fall, which is go, go, go, go go. There's a moment where you're like, well, I should be like resting by the beach or whatever. But it's also a time where ship always ends up sucking happening, and so you're in like

heat of like I should be on the beach. And then it's like send this, do this. It's weird. It's back to school culture and it's actually talks and the people who are like I like back to school when like the notebooks are back at target, fuck you. I will say that the new school supplies thing is real. They do smell good. The school supplies are wild. Now wait, oh my god, yeah, how have they changed? Like there's fucking I was watching this SMR video where she's sucking

Maria gentle whispering icon went. She was like, I went to Darget. I found some amazing things. What are the kids using that the kids are using Like the pencil cases remember the space makers no flop those are gone now it's like there's l E ed e's in there and ship they zip up or the notebooks have like fucking gel and then that you can like whatever gets the kids, whatever gets because you know they're on the

iPad and you know. That's why Jane Austen did the farm because she was like, I don't want my kids on the iPad all the time. I want to know where their food comes from. That's what Jane Austen said. Jane Auson said, my kids gonna know where their food comes from. And my kids also going to learn how to ride a bike. Oh, my kid's gonna know how to ride a bike for if something happens, Yeah, if they have to get on a bike. I think Jane was also like, they're gonna eat hickamist sticks where they're

going to the farmer's market. They're going to learn about produce. I think Shane was like, my kids are not getting that vaccine. Who said this, Jane Austen, My kids are not getting a vaccine. I don't trust it at all. Also, they're homeschooled, so it's like, you can wait, she's weird,

but you know it's weird. She said. She's not getting she said she's thinking she's not anti vax herself fully, but she's like, I don't know which one I get because but I do know that J and J has They put cancer in jan J. This cancer and J n J and I like, but she said, once the FDA approval comes through, then she'll think about it more seriously. But she feels they rushed. My thing with Jane Austen is like I love your Instagram, I love the kids, I love the we love write a book again. I

know another book. It's been so long since Jane Austen wrote a book. And it's like you know that thing when like somebody's famous for a thing and then they just get so far away from it, like Christie Taken and being a model. Yeah, and it's like wait, but like do what we loved about you. It's like Bethany with Housewives, Like you're not better than housewives, Babe. The last thing you'll ever see is a remotest singer. Stop

trying to be sharing, you know. Jane is like j v N where it's like no, we like, don't you don't have to walk us through this like every like you don't have to show us like a cooking demo. That's anthony, Like you should just go back to the grooming I just missed like a time before like social media, where like Jane Austen could just be Jane Austen and I know, go on her head and then now it's just like there's too much information I missed pre I

missed pre social media. Jane Austen, it's like, stop posturing. Talk to us, you know what I mean, Like, just talk to us. Stop posturing for one second, like because it's like when Anthony started posting all those shirtless stuff, right, that's like, that's not why we love you. We love you because of your a goofy little face when you put something wrong in let the work speak for itself, Anthony and Jane Austen, like, you know, that's that we fell in love with you for books? Wait are we

are we that? Though? Like have we like veered off the path? Like? Are we being? Jane? I often feel like every time I um say anything about my personal life, I regret it, Like I do this thing, I like absolutely am like I'm a fucking mirror cat in the hole because um no, wait, prairie Dog because I saw

it the same. Yeah. Absolutely where it's like I don't I'll have a day where I post, or it'll be like my birthday or like I'll have a cute picture of myself that I'll post, and then I crave those likes and those notifications and the attention in the minute I get it, I'm like, I don't want to be perceived. Nobody look at me, nobody talked to me, don't know a thing about me. This is literally sister Live hashtag after. I mean, I relate, like I like, why did I

do that? Like the dopamine hit came and now I'm like, it feels like you've just orgasmed. Yeah, and then you looked at the porn that you were watching and you're like what what? Oh? Yeah, But that's also a funny moment. I think, yeah, I was nineties sailors stuff, Like I

thought I was past that. Well, my favorite lately has been espionage thriller stuff like like like like when someone's like you can get some really good ones, like where a girl comes in and she'll be like, well we better go very quick and then like they're like on a mission and then he's like before we go, which we should fuck and things like that. I actually watched hetero porn again recently and it wasn't as iconic as the step, but you know what, I you know, really

iconic iconic Matt Rodgers moment might be some awards. Artist Matt Rodgers might be nominated for Artists at the Millennia, we're gonna say, but also going back to gay um, the Mormon stuff is like really good more because they're straight Mormon porn to all that sister wife ship. It's I don't know about all that. All I know is like it's like the rituals of Mormonism. It's like it'll be like that, what's that you're talking about? And some

of it is actually kind of upsetting. Well, I mean the fact that it's because Holy Mormon is upsetting, and so the fact that they're like there's this and you know the series I'm talking about, it's like really specific.

The garments that were really specific, and it's so specific to that experience that like you are sort of laughing because you're like it's like the seam will start and the guy will be like, now go inside, kneel at the altar and begin the ritual, and it's like the ritual is likelindfolded and then they have to lie down in a bed of nails or some ship like well, and and there's like I'll come in and read the rights and it's like what are you talking to? Watch

you have sex? But it's funny to me, all those religions are about sex. They're deeply, deeply horny, and Mormonism is one of the horniest of them all because there's so much to talk about the underwear, and you're seeing the girl with the braid and the dress, and the whole time you're thinking like, I can't wait to funk her, like because she's so covered, like what are her? It's all it's all deeply sexual. And also it's a religion just like all based on men wanted to funk a

bunch of young girls that too. I also like another another archetype I really like is can you come over and fix something broken in my house? My trap belien is broken. Dude like going to come over and jump on my trampoline naked to see if it could work? For sure? Dude, I'll come right over. Here's my search word wait you go, No, no no, no. I was gonna say there are only three stories in pornography, Mormonism, fixing

something at home, and espionage. Okay, I'm going to add a third one and this summer come for there's my search words real couple making love. I've done it so many times, but the couple has to be hot, and I have to think both of them are hot. And there's this one couple that have great production value, great lighting, like nice bedspread, like it's all set up, and it

all starts with them. Like also their lube is like in these little Mason jars and so I think they make it themselves or whatever, like is it just a chi so organic, it's very jane Um. And they just like look into each other's eyes and like finger each other and tell each other how beautiful they are. And then it's like a hard cut to like there's two there's another couple in the bedroom, and then they're like fucking the other couple and like looking at each other.

But you're not emotionally invested in this random mother couple though, right, And sometimes I well, I'm really invested in them. And I've also just watched I don't like, you know, I've

watched this is rare for me. I've watched several videos of this woman giving this guy up prostate orgasm and the way that he like directs her it's so trusting and beautiful, and the way that he spreads his legs and like will be like barely any on my cock, barely anything lighter, lighter, lighter, like, and she's just looking at him and she's so patient. It's it's loving, it's deeply loving. The way you made the guy sound though, was he's fucking hot, because that's actually hot behavior. He's

the hot one. But the tone that you were sort of reenacting it, it sounded like he was like trying to like put in order at a restaurant. No, no, no, no, he is I think, very like very much the way that women sometimes, i mean maybe have to be very specific about, like this is how I'm going to come. He is doing that and it's so trusting and loving. I see that. I love that so much. It's vulnerable. I mean, she has like a big dildo off his butt and he's like jacking him off. I mean, you ever,

there's a guy that I watch. He's like a weird British guy, but he like tries out dildos and he al feel like he's like it's a dildo tutorial, like we all need to figure out how to use it. It's like it's a tutorial for this one and I'll review it. It's like so weird, but it works for me. And he also like models like um gear and then he obviously like sometimes he'll turn on like some music

and like you know, he'll jack off. But the thing is like he's such a weird guy, but I'm so into it, and I think I want to have some weird sex in you're weird like that. I want to get a little summer of cunt is about fucked and getting fucked weird. Yeah, I really um would like to not me. You're not warning right now, you know what. We talked about this like I would like to in theory, but then it's August, bitch, it's like something you down like now It's like when I'm not fucking, I'm kind

of like it's actually fine. I have a headache yet. Welcome. Welcome, That's what the weird British guy with a dildop his asses for and he smiles while he does. It was so cold in London. Well has put his hands on his mouth because he's having a rare moment of have I said too much? Just like the only time he's like once in the year and shocked once a year. He goes, oh, I said that it's cold in London? Did I go too far? Wait? It was a good pr for from miss Taylor Swift for August, the month

of August. She's delusional girl. Well now well no, now I love the month of August because I'm like, that's long as the other day I thought. I literally, oh my thought like explicitly and convinced myself that was true, like, oh, now, well we have August by Taylor and so you know, but also like, I have to be honest, it's not enough. It's not enough for me to get over August being what it is. I'm you don't like August, I hate I'm like, oh no, the song is one of my

favorite songs on all the time. It's just not enough. But I'm gonna say these words and they're associated with the month of August. You're back beneath the sun wishing I could write my name on it. Will you call when you're back at school? It's August, after all, I remember thinking I had it's such a good song. It's that's such a beautiful one. Um, it's such a gorgeous song. Taylor really slapped, She really snapped on folk. We we were we were dancing last night, Can we say you

Belong with me? Came out at the club and truly the perfect song, and I think that's like I sort of forgot how drunk I got last night, but I chugged a couple of Martini's. I woke up hungover, which is didn't even go to the second or third location. It was just a second one. Sud crushed, Sudi crushed, of course crushed. Okay, speaking of Mormonism, is this this

perfect segue into Okay, you know what, everybody? Everybody make peace, Readers, make peace with the fact that this is We're going to talk about Taylor Swift at least once per episode, we're gonna talk about one of the Real Housewives shows. Speak truth like it's It's fine. Everybody at this point, like everyone that I know wants it, and I know a lot of different kinds of people. I will say brag, sorry, but we're all watching house and no one's too cool

for it, no one's above it. No, do not criticize the pod At this point. Everybody is lucky that it

is still thing. And I'm going to say that, and you've got to be grateful for every day that these two fucking deem it worthy of their time to talk into a microphone and guess what they're gonna say whatever the funk they want to say, I will say, it's so easy to just skip ahead, like that's what like if it wasn't It's not like watching a TV show where it's like you kind of have to get your Apple TV remote and like negotiate the and I know you hate the Apple remote it's so sensitive, and then

you have to negotiate it. With the podcast, it's like there's a button that's a future button. You can go to the future and if you if you like what you hear, then guess keep going to This podcast is so fucking long. We have done hours, thousands of hours of non content. So when the Salt Lake City two trailer comes out and it fucking snack work of art and it's a work of top to bottom every market, we're gonna talk about it. And now we said it, also,

what do they want you to talk about? Sucking Jane Austin, guess what we did? We did. We gave her so much time today it's like she's gonna get her whole literary podcast. It is. We talked about books. This is a literary brand. Everybody is lucky it exists. But anyway, the fucking salt Like trailer let's just say um Jen is a maniac villain. She's a mad villain. She's now like literally like the Big Boss and the Narredith has engaged, Meredith has engaged Detective Lisa. I said her I pitched.

I pitched her a new tagline on Instagram. I said, I want this to be Lisa Barlow's tagline for the season. I'll take a hamburger, a large fry, and the truth. I guess what Lisa saw it because he tagged her and she said, you made my day, made my day. You made my day my day. Oh my god, I love that. I love that. I said you could have it for free. I don't know, yo, oh my god. Well, we know who we need to have on literally soon to do her. Lisa Barlow is Vanessa Barlow, so Barlow is.

It's like one of those things where you don't hear it and then you hear it and then you're like, thank god, Oh, you're so happy that it exists. Thoughts on what we think Heather Gay season is going to be like after being like sort of the the I'm

worried that she has a writer. Now, I'm worried that like there's somebody like you know when like Paula Abdual first season of American Idol, all of a sudden was saying things like testdown, you know, like I'm worried that she's gonna be too self aware and you know it's gonna be. It's gonna you're gonna see her thinking like, my thing is that Rihanna like DM to me and I'm the funny one, and I'm I'm the real one, and I'm I'm worried she's gonna play. She's gonna play

to Rihanna, She's gonna play. Now, just have be thinking of catchphrases and then saying them over and over because Wendy's which is sort of affliction, although I don't know with Wendy, I just kind of feel like I'm watching some woman go through some sort of like psychological break and there's a real like there's some real psychosis happening, and it's it's happening with a very intelligent, complicated woman, and I'm along for the ride. Yes, I think for

the whatever. You know, she hasn't said the word degrees one time, and she said candle too much, so it's sort of the binary are there's someone who's like, my degrees, are you someone who's like my candle? And I think that she's somewhere and lost in the middle. She's neither right now. Remember when Wendy was talking about like when she was getting her degrees and she had like her two boys, and she would be breastfeeding and working on

her disportation. How she wouldn't sleep. She would sleep like three hours a night. And she did that for years that I remember thinking like, oh my god, that is not a way to live your life. That's trauma. That's so hard what she did. And the fact that she's like new body. These kids literally sucked the life out of my breasts new body candles. I'm very I don't support it, but I'm very It makes sense to me, makes so much sense. It makes she saw an opportunity.

She's trying to create a new beginning for herself. And also, you know a lot of people when you watch herself on TV, like you go through something. I mean, she's seen herself edited and maybe she thought, maybe she thought her character wasn't fun, and she's like, but wait, I'm watching the show and I'm fun, like she and and and like maybe she's going a little too far. In that direction. I mean, I think that Wendy is having a better second season than Leah. It's too much pressure,

too much put on Leah's shoulders too quickly. She's more fun when she pops, when she's when she's the whip cream on top. She can't be the banana. That's amazing. That's everyone is the banana. I honestly think, and I really don't like saying this, but I think the way the only way you saved New York really is to back, bring Bethany back, bringing back Ramona, and then bring back like Dorenda. I think you know, Dorenda was not watching It Happens live, and she was like, I think they

should bring us all back. I think it well would be fun is seeing the older cast and the New York cast and see what happens. But I'm happy, you know, I'm happy, and I'll go back. It's I'm very fortunate and bus and you know if I did, if I did go back, I wouldn't have written this book. And I read the book, and I'm happy that I'm sharing with everyone. Direnda, I heard I saw that you put Blue Stone Manner on Airbnb. What's that about? Well, I'm

inviting everyone to come to my airbnd. And wouldn't that be fun? A reality show about bluestone manner? I think that would be fun. You know, just saying are changing your voice? You want to and you you want to know why you once told me I was Direnda because when I drink, it gets a little dark. Yeah, he gets so dark. That's that's that's not specific to Direnda though,

And can I say yes, that is true? And when studio is saying that she's associating drinking with getting dark, for me, it's because all those times happened in August. August in New York, I was drinking a lot and getting dark. Last night you drank a lot and you got fresh with me? Was that being fresh? Well? You were just like you're coming, You're coming to the next level because it's like, honestly like it was. It was

like it wasn't dark, it was dark. I was just like I was being definitive and I think trying to be funny, but like it maybe it was reading us like it was the look in your eyes was you're doing as I said? Well, because I honestly like needed that because I unfortunately had that thing readers where last night I was that flop who told everyone to leave one place to go to another place and arrive in

It was closed, and we were really about outside. We're outside with about thirty people who came from our little island show, and it was like, oh, dozens of people who I love and care about, we forgave you. It wasn't the restaurant's fault. When the restaurants are closed, it's their fault. It's actually real culture number nine. When restaurants

are closed, it's their fault. Be open. Um. I think that we are in for some great television from Bravo going forward, going forward, and I'm putting it into an atmosphere I'm gonna I want to be on Watch What Happens Live. Yes, it's it's it's like my summer of kunt It's because it's not happening soon, but at some point in the next year or so, I really want to do watch What Happens Live. It's my literally one of my life drinks. That's huge. I think you should.

So this is such a this is such a gross thing to put out. This is very inside baseball. Do you do you have a publicist? I say you hire one of then you push like for when Key Force comes out and September, we should be like, can we get me on I'll be a publicist. Yeah. I can call and be like, Hi, this is Study Green. I'm telling you I'm working with Matt Rogers and he has some really exciting things coming up, and um, we're just wanting yeah absolutely, Well, I just feel like absolutely and yeah,

absolutely great. I mean I've said it. I think I've said it on this pod before. If I was less talented, I'd be the biggest age in the world. But I will say I've shot on publicists on this podcast before, before I had my own, and I really do appreciate them. It's a hard people who get shipped done. They're so good at doing that. It is also a job for New York women, and I can never hate job full of New York women. There should be, honestly a reality

show about publicists. Is there? Well there was a show, Well, yes, there was that show that was on. I think it was Who's that Woman? Kelly Kelly Cotrone. Kelly Cotrone had her own reality show and then Krull Show. They had that public So I honestly think maybe maybe it hasn't been done well yet, but I would love to see that energy harness. It's fascinating. Speaking of harnessing energy, it is at this moment because we are running up on almost Walter is gonna kick us the hell out of

here soon, so we gotta do Um. I don't think so, honey. Which is you know, such a fun segment, so fun. It's really such a black that's really I think we really got I think we really found something with I don't think so. The other day, um, we were going to the Lady Gaga concert with Tony Bennett featuring Tony Bennett, The Lady Gaga and Tony Bennett's final concert ever. By the way, Bohen, you pulled Tony Bennett out of the trollball last night and said you could never be Gaga.

I said, how how dare you have Gaga be your opener? Yeah, you want to be her, You never will be He will be her. Um. But um, anyway, we were walking in and this guy goes to Bowen my favorite is I don't think so, honey. We celebrate him and we send excel him. But it's a one one minute segment.

Do you explain it? Um? It's a one minute segment where you rail against um something in culture that you don't think so honey, and you gotta be talk fast, you gotta be speak truth, as Kamala would say, and um, you gotta be funny, but don't try too hard. Also is Kamala would say, do not come, if you do not come, if you're not gonna come, if you, if you if I'm saying, if you calm doing, I don't think, sony, that's bad. Don't don't don't have an orgasm, don't have

an orgasm. As as Kamala also said, Yeah, I'm gonna drag me for this. Um. I think Kamala is funny unfortunately as as a person in the as the way she waved to the crowd that one time, her laughing in her pride jacket, like I enjoy the Kamala thing because you know that behind the scenes, it's like she's

basically ordering around the stormtroopers. You know what I like, what I love is like I literally we were really stoned in Galaxy's Edge and there was like a huge like ship and I was like, I pointed to it and I said, Kamala energy. Kamala is such a serious woman.

She's such a serious woman who can access this manic joy projection that is like there's it's in her eyes exactly when she's walking at it pride, or like when she's like waving to the bus, and it is fascinating that that is a part of her because you know, it doesn't I'm not saying that it's it's it's inauthentic. I think that it's there and it's in there, but she it's like it's like Hillary looking at the balloons.

They access this thing that is just that part of their lives because in the rest of their lives they have to be so serious. They have to be serious, do not come. And she also has to do yeah I know, and she has to wave it that way and look like a patriotic monument. Really being a woman is hell, truly, it's hell. And everything is a trap.

And I'm saying I have I have. I have admiration for her, and I know that she's you know, problematic amongst progressives and and I understand, but I do understand. I watch it and I laughed, and when she said, oh yeah, I'm gonna drag me for this, I did think it was funny because I just did the first time you did that, I thought, is he allowed? And now the third time that you've done it, I'm like,

he is and you you are the arbiter. Yeah. One thing I would like to do is go back in time and just tap myself on the shoulder a few times when I said some things early on in the podcast and just be like, are you allowed? But I'm grown and changee Okay, that's just a part of life, okay, man. Anyway, I don't think so, honey, I'll go You're gonna go first, grape? Okay, this is Matt Rodgers is I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Too

much milk or creamer and the ice coffee? Get uh grip? And when I say get a grip, get a grip on something else that isn't the goddamn handle of milk you're using to pour it into my goddamn iced Let me tell you something. I don't want to drink milk. I want to drink iced coffee. If I wanted to come here, do you think I would order a coffee or a milk? And like, I don't think so, honey.

I'm not going to the coffee shop for milk, So why pray tell when I sort of suck the straw paper these days and I'm just finding that it's mostly milk, oat or almond usually for me. Sorry, climate, but that's usually what it is. And especially when it's almond milk. This isn't even super cent. This isn't even what they'd say in the nineties you should be drinking to get out to wait off osteoporosis. This is almond milk, Mama. I don't want to drink mostly the milk of the oat.

I want to drink ice coffee. I'm here for energy, I'm here for a good time. I'm here to a stain. I'm not here for milk. If I was, i'd be at the pasture. I don't think so, honey, that I'm there one minute. I loved that, yeah, that you kept it going. And also I think can we can we name names? I think it's Duncan that is like the biggest sort of overall not even just milk with them too, because the sugar is really where it gets uncouth. It's untowards.

I don't I don't order anything that's a black coffee at Dunkin Donuts because I don't trust their hands. When you're drinking it and you can't even drink you can't taste the coffee, You're just tasting milk. I don't settle who say that Duncan Donuts is their coffee place. That's how you know ben Affleck is a serious killer. I will not hear this. Duncan is so much better than Starbucks.

It's not even you know you're from the East Coast, you're from like you're from like that's that's what that is. Because Starbucks is trying to give me Seattle roast will get the cockett taste like cigarettes, whereas Duncan is like, we are who we are and you're you're choosing this, and I appreciate that and I actually think it's solid. That is the second time that someone has described coffee tasting like cigarettes in a day, and I've never heard

that gratitude. Earlier, we had coffee and she was like, does this taste like cigarettes to you? And I like cigarettes taste okay, I don't know, I don't taste them. It's well, you know, I think I dragged me for this, not to bring it, not to bring up as to nol but for study to kepe so hard for dunkin donuts. I I don't mind dunking donuts, but for you to be very loyal is East Coast culture. It's working in SNL culture. One under thirty Rock, I think that's what

you're to. Yeah, the one under thirty Rock. When they where they call you sweetie, sweetie, they always have the perfect let's go Laura Hey, Mr Mike. Beanie is playing we can, but we can't go down that road. We love Beanie. I want Beanie on the pod. Okay, so this is Bowen Yang's um. I don't think so, honey. Is he ready? And he nods confidently as I press play. It's time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Hard out. No one honors them, and so what's the point of

even asking for one or receiving one from someone? Like, we're not gonna We're not gonna hold it up. We're not gonna do it. We're going where we only had the room for two hours. Here we're doing this in person, and poor Walter is having to sit here working over time. We were we run the clock fifteen minutes after our A lot of time we were we weren't given a heart out. We did not say we had a heart out,

but we are. The schedules aren't being um arbitrary. I just think I've never in my life had a heart out honored. I think let's just like delete them as a concept. Okay, Like if you're going to show up somewhere, expect to be there for an indefinite amount of time forever, and that that is so liberating to sort of, you know,

be untethered from time in that way. So heart outs, I mean, the only person who should have a heart out should be Katie, correct because she is up for the Best Asker award and she and she just deserves her time to um, you know, catch catch people, and that's one minute. I have never had a heart out, truly. I've seen hard I've seen heart out to spring into action, and it is a hard out right to the minute

they're honored, but now away. So for people that might not know, a hard out is when you say people do not actually have to for everyone, not everyone that does. I have to leave at five. I'm so sorry I have a hard out at five, just like we were told today there was a hard out at seven. It's seven oh five six fifty alright, So, um, so that's what we're saying. We don't think so, honey. So that's why we're not doing the hard Walter told me there's no one booked after this, and so we we do

get to like color. He wants to hear us talk about Scala. He wants to hear it. He loves he loves st Do you have you have you been able to understand any thing we've said, like in terms of a scalart? Do you know what that is? Did you? But you were laughing at his Dorinda impression in a way that made me, do you think that's biggest mistake of his life? He has? It's that thing where yeah, she's yeah, she's got a book coming out, she's got you.

I was working words and anybody heard it heard it could be fun and you know Candice is coming on incredible drive back, drive back, sweeping the country, big hit, big hit, topping the charts. Kids. Could be fun, It could be fun, to be interesting, could be interesting. You know that also has a canvas. But you shouldn't do it. No, everybody needs to be saying can I give notes? Everybody needs to be saying fewer words and longer pauses. And

I'm not putting Erica out there. She's been through it locked, She's been through locked. You know. It's the thing where the husband yeah, yeah, yeah. So now this is gonna be study Greens. I don't think so, honey, And studio you're ready sort of done too. In the last twenty four hours, you're on fire, and they both were slaves, and this one, I know it's going to be no exception. This is studio Greens. I don't think so, Honey. On summer of Hunt four and our time starts now, I

don't think so, honey. Hiking, hiking, you're a walk, but harder. I don't like to hike. Every boyfriend I've ever had in my life, I've had to hike with them. I have to pretend to hike. I to pretend to like it, and then guess what about six months in the truth comes out, which is that hiking you're not watching a movie, be watching a movie. Also, you want to be in the middle of nature, in the middle of nowhere alone.

You are a white man. You you are a white man saying that, and it is a white man's space. And I don't like to have to climb. I don't like to have I like nature, but I don't want to have to go into nature to be in nature. Does that make sense for it? Also, the thing is with hiking, you you you do the hike to the point, and guess what you have to do after that? Walk back? Okay, walk back? And sometimes people are trying to trick you and say that the walk back is easier. But it's

harder because I'm tired. I don't think so hiking and that's one minute, that's incredible. You know what's hard about the walk down is it's hard on your calves because you're like going down the hill and then you know what I mean, your feet and then your feet are kind of sloped down like this you're doing and that's when you notice if you're not wearing the right footwear. Yeah, that's when you know. To me, it's it's it's the performance that I do for every man that I've ever known.

Not true, not every man, but most of them where I'm like, yeah, let's go in a hike, and then it's it's the tension of how much do I suffer through and when do they find out ay that I'm not really in shape for this and be that. The secret is, I would so much rather be doing literally anything else. Can I say? And this this will maybe renegotiate the performing aspect of this. You and I have enjoyed a hike together. Okay, what I would call the hikes that we've gone on, and this is important nature

walks and nature walk I love a nature walk. Give me, give me a path, uh you know, off a road, easy parking and I'm and I'm smelling the trees for a little bit. I can't be doing these these these mountain you're bouldering. I'm oregon trailing up in this. You also don't need to be hiking to walk, you know what I mean? And if you're walking, you actually like

you know, steps wise, like they're the same. Like so if you if you walk up a hill and it's a hike quote unquote, like you could have walked down the street around nature thanks and logged as many steps and still it's calories carrying down like getting lost, can I son? But I do love them and you're gonna love the way you look at l I when you start Griffith Park. Is that a hike or nature walk? I was a hike. I think if it's up, if you're if it's up the hill, and yeah, in your

ass you're feeling it. I think that that's a hike. To me, a hike is defined not only by distance and remoteness, but also streng you with smiths. But do you like hike? No, but I'll do it to get a nice ass. We love and I'll do it. I'll do it to get a nice ask. But I won't do it because I say I love going on a high. It's a means to an end. It's not the thing that you want to be doing, like working out, and I don't do it. I have to tell you that's been that's been a part of summer of count for me.

Is I now do enjoy it? Don't I don't want to hear it, but but literally, please shut up, thank you. This is summer of the boundaries. And guess what, Kings We're we're having a fun night tonight. Yeah, we're about to go watch We're gonna go to Kings. Shout out. I just want to say one thing, which is that I'm staying at a really cool hotel in New York all the freehand and there, and I'm telling you like I never got to go. I never was in town for a tree, which feels literally insane. Um, But now

I'm there and I love it. It's so fucking lovely. So this is um, this is like a damn discount discount. No, I'm just saying, like I would pay millions more. No, they should pay you. No, Mama, let me pay them. No, let me pay them. No, Okay, give me the money, give give him the money. Well, I think this has

been and wow, we laughed, We literally cried. I think this is an iconic summer of cunt, summer of quad, summer of I think it's Can I have a pitch for a title summer for like no cunty or so it's like five huh, so it's like fast five or when it's like Furious seven. You know, like we now know that like the word So the word furious is infer now with any fast neferious movies so much so

that you don't need it in the actual title. So the word hunt is sort of inferred with this, so you don't need it with what about cunt cunt cunt cuntor that? I like that. We're gonna have a vote on one of the most popular websites online, which is called Twitter um, and it's gonna be between the two.

We're going to ask our We're gonna ask the Twitter sphere, which is always responsible and definitely when we post the word hunt on even if it's spelled with a K on Twitter, people will have like, they'll have a good sense of humor about and they'll be constructive and will be willing to play along with us. Absolutely, I trust every trust them for sure. No one flag it, no one report, no one flag at faggots. Okay, this has

been this has been one of the best times. And we're all gonna wave to each other, and I kind of I know what song I want to sing at the end, and I kind of want studios to lead us. Would you leave? Listen the theme songs to A Wrinkland times only you can ring BOSEI Fine f