"Jesus Was Always Involved, Let’s Get That Straight” (w/ Bridger Winegar)

I believe that everyone can learn to sing. I think that's so beautiful. You know, you might need a higher expensive singing coach, but you know, if you work hard enough at your job, you could say that and do it as an extracurricular Sure, sure, you know. I think singing is just bravery, is just going for it. And um, I mean I say this as someone who knows nothing about singing, but I feel like that's not true at all. If you just are delusional enough to to think that

you can do it, you can do it. I literally agree, And I just want to backtrack and say that Bowen is one of the most resonant counter tenors of our time. Adam Lambert was found dead was found dead. Sorry, but it was literally true. At one point the two front people of Queen You're gonna compare me to them. I'm coming for the counter today. I'm declaring them in the presence of Bowen Yang, one of the most resonant listen to my words, most resonant counter tenors of our time.

Put it on a T shirt and very much I Meanwhile, Matt Rodgers can't hold a damn tune. I don't like that. That was just kidding. I'm kidding. He's one of the best singers of all time, one of the best vehicles. I'm off marijuana for the next month and a half. You're really going to commit that hard to this? I appla. Look, Matt Rodgers is touring with his famous yearly show Have you heard of Christmas? Please check it out. We cannot

recommend to it's sold out. Please you can't come. As they say, as they say every Tuesday, and especially in voter suppress states, stay in line, stay, stay in line. It's actually number fifty. Stay line, okay, um. I will say that this episode is coming out on Wednesday, and so tonight it is November ten, and you can come see me and Greta Titlement for the New York Comedy Festival. We have a show at seven thirty and also ten pm.

Stay in line. How you doing? I have a asked you a question, that question as a way of telling, as a way of gracelessly seguing into how I'm doing, which is not well. I'm working with the sty. I have a sty coming in. Don't Oh no, I got I put rice in a sock. I'm putting in the microwave for twenty seconds. I'm putting. I'm doing a hot sort of compress kind of thing. I hope that works. I'm just gonna tell you, I threw up last night. What's going on? So? I went to Palm Springs Pride

and sort of did that. Is Palm Springs Pride in November. It is famously they do Pride a couple of countries a couple of months later. Anyways, a few, yeah, several What was it? What was the experience? Like, um, really good until it was really bad. I was having a really good time and I sort of, as you say, went too hard and threw up like I was seventeen, damn because of partying too much. But I did sort of start a new era that beat in necklace eram I'm in my necklace era? Now I love it. I

think this is a long time coming. You actually have avoided jewelry. You are very accessory phobic, and that's bigoted of you. Yeah, well I don't like them, and but now you do. I'm a bigot against them until now. And it's sort of it takes different people different paces, you know what I mean? Right now? In my necklace are this is actually Tony Gomez his necklace that I stole. He's not gonna like that. I'm at how much I'm

going to wear it over the next week. I told him I would keep it safe, but I left the party we were at last night early to go throw up. So I ended up sort of being like, can I wear that? And he was like yes, And now I still have it on and I will continue to wear it until I get back to him, which I will.

That's nice and I like that you are of making it time bound and saying only a week myself accountable, speaking of singing, just to sort of make this one of the most chaotic intros to any podcast ever, to sort of return to the front it could you imagine Cynthia Arrivo and Ariana we talked about this. We haven't spoken about it until now, and no gays have until now, No gays have until now. I mean what's remarkable is everyone's happy. That's what's remarkable about it. Like when does

this ever happen anymore? That people are like, yes, they got it right. I mean. Casting has certainly been controversial this year and on many different projects, many different projects, but not the Wicked movie, not Cynthia Arriva and Ariana Days couldn't and also the stakes couldn't be hired. Do you know what I'm saying? No, Because, as we famously know, it's one of the most famous rules of culture playing

alphabet is war. But we've made her the general. She has been the named general of the Battle of Wicked, and she will go into back oh sometime next year. Yeah, she's going into battle this London, this this summer in London, and she will emerge victorious. Okay, yeah, and Ariana Grande sort of the lieutenant. This is how I'm assuming war's work is general and lieutenant, General and lieutenant. I don't know how that sort of order breaks down, but no

one does. I have nothing to add to the conversation except I'm thrilled. Here's what I would say, Thank you, great job casting, great job casting. We'll see you there. Uh there is. I think the director is also a perfect sort of Mr mr Chu Mr to Mr m ch Um. Can't wait for his his take on it. I mean, and we're available to just saying we're available. I mean one of us might be. I think we've got a fiarra, we've got a box here, That's all

we're saying. And if they sort of want, if they want to see tapes, if they want to see tapes, it's um. But you know who I would cast, Oh my god, see our guests this week would really work in any roles, or the female roles, the animal roles, the genderless roles, whatever. I think. Morrible, he'd be a great Morrible, would be a great dilmante You said it, speak it out loud, We'll speak it out loud. Um.

Our guest is really just pretty phenomenal. I alluded to him earlier when he came on the Zoom that I've been a close follower for a long time and I would like to tell him in person very soon, so let's just bring him in. It was a perfect allusion. It was a perfect illusion. Uh. He is such a wonder stunning, stunning. Um. He was the adorable p A on The Lately Show with Craig Ferguson. He was writing he Kime Alive. He has written for Black Monday on

Breakable Kimmy Schmidt. Now he hosts the Wonderful podcast I said no gifts. I love saying that, I said no gifts. It can be sweet, it can be it can be genuine, it couldn't be just something you say. Uh. Perfect, A perfect sort of sound bite for anybody. Good title, good title, great title. Um. He tries to destroy his guests every episode, and they always undermine him by bringing a gift and they always end up talking about what's under the wrapping.

He's so funny, so wonderful. Um, it's sort of I think unfortunately, I feel like he is now the ambassador to Salt Lake City for some people, which I I wish I could turn the computer around. I just can't. Um. But frozen up there is Miriam Cosby um with her eyes wide open, screaming at Whitney, who she now has a problem with. I'm very excited to sort of get into it with the guests. Me too, me too, But anyway, um, we're so so thrilled to have him. Everyone please welcome

rich What okay? You too? God bless, God bless. I had dinner at four thirty. I had a full dinner at four thirty pm? How was it? Where? So? How do you feel safe that you can Salid? I had to It's a look. I knew we were going to be recording. I have a gym appointment at eight pm. After this recording, I would throw up. This is the scheduling that's just dominating my life. Now, Wow, a full dinner for thirty I will say this. I was recently with my parents on vacation and they have dinner at

four thirty. So this is very parental of you. This is very full grown adults dinner at four thirty. This is Thanksgiving time. This is I mean, I'm saying the timing is very Thanksgiving. It's like, wait, you're we're eating? Okay? I guess we're eating at three because they's been in the oven for eight hours. You know, everyone will be hungry at two, and everyone will be hungry at seven thirty. Yes, yes, yes, Well we're so sorry that you had to sort of

shift your schedule. This is my life now. My gym is only open on Monday, Wednesday, Friday, so it's just an issue for me every Monday. Butcher, describe your lifestyle. What's the typical Monday. Let's just stick to Monday's for you if you weren't recording a podcast. But would that look like if I were recording a podcast, I would you know? I get up, well, we are in Daylight Savings, you know the sudo of daylight Savings ending or beginning? I don't know. I'll wake up it around seven, kind

of get out of bed. I make some coffee, I do a little reading. I eat my protein bar, which is does not register as a flavor in my mouth anymore because it's said the same thing. It's absolutely something to chew and swallow. Then I'll go to work. We start at ten o'clock. We go till noon. We have a lunch break. What do you eat then? Then Monday, I'm eating a protein shake. The first like nine day are horrible. Stop right now, stop the pops. Are you

trying to sound like an ideal? Because I think I think you've come on this podcast so that you could say what your Monday routine. So you can sound like an ideal because you've said not, You've not missed one step so far. It's a lot of protein and health and waking up early and reading and at eight. None of this is by choice. Look pre Zoom writer's rooms, I was, you know, we would have lunch at work, munches being purchased for me. I didn't have to think

about that element. Now I have defend for myself, which I know most of America's screaming, yeah they are. But a nice little thing about being in a writer's room is occasionally you get a mediocre sandwich for lunch. Occasion. Now I can't think about it, so I'm making a protein shake. Sure, this is the thing that is very astute. I feel like this is just transferring from pre COVID, where you were not making decisions necessarily about where you were eating for lunch. That was sort of being made

for you on some level. You would choose the particular kind of sandwich you would get. Right now that you're you know, doing writers from from writers from from home, you've maintained that decision fatigue and you're just like, I don't want to think about it, and therefore I'm just gonna make the same protein shake. I also can't cook. I'm not going to go to a restaurant during the Yeah, I'm stumbling into my kitchen. I'm making the protein shake. I'm out of bananas at this point, so it's even

worse than usual. Shit. Uh, and I'm I'm eating it. It's fine. I can't make a decision. Someone canceled on brunch brunch on me yesterday. It was two hours of me trying to decide what to do with the rest of my day vacuum. Yeah, well, at least it was

something useful. Can I ask you a question? So, basically, if you're in a group of people, whether it's at work or whatever, and there's that moment wherever where someone or someone says they sort of throw their head over their one shoulder and they go, so what should we have for lunch? Are you someone who weighs in or are you someone who's like, I'm going with the flow of what everyone wants. And by that same token, would you ever be the one person who says, hey, guys, sorry,

I know everyone wants this, but I don't. What role do you play in a lunch just He hasn't had to be in this position. I know, but I'm just asking in terms of who you are as an individual, because we want to get to know you. That's why people listen to the podcast Fair Question. And I am someone who will go along with almost anything. I will eat garbage. But it was actually at Black Monday. There were two restaurants. I think one of the restaurants started

with the word doctor. I can't remember what it was, but the first time we had it, it was so revolting and made everyone feel so bad that when the writer picked that restaurant again to eat at, I said, no, we can't do that, We're not doctor. Also the second one is is it a Los Angeles chain tender Green's. Yes. Yeah, they served me salmon that was gelatinous. Yeah. It was essentially putting. And after that I said, we're I have to stand up. We're not ordering from tender Greens anymore.

We're not. You know, the fried chicken at tender Greens is really suspect. It's really expensive cafeteria food. You better be careful. You both underestimate your own personal power and influence here. I mean, you have collectively combined the power to take them down. I hope, so I don't. I don't want anyone sort of having gelatinous salmon or that suspect fried chicken. I will say every time we order tender greens, now I will get a soup. I think

they're chicken. And that's a hack that I offered to. Soup is a hack for almost any restaurant. Soup is iconic. It's real culture. Number one hundred and three is iconic. It's such a hack when you order something that's on the menu at a place, it's such people don't think about soup. They don't think about soup, and it's a nominee for That's not true. That's not true. I always year round think about soup. I think about it all

the sunny, asked anybody at thirty Rock. I do know something about Bridger, about his his sort of restaurant choices that I find so charming and I relate to so much. Is that Bridger for a while on Twitter back in like two thousand eleven twelve, had a whole run about Arby's, and he is an Arby's queen because Arby's just so good and never gets talked about Bridger. Can you can you talk about this? You did have a whole series

of tweets. Okay, first of all, I want to say that Bridger was one of the Please this is so humiliating. I'm so sorry Bridger. I would say that Bridger was like one of those like quote unquote early Twitter, like, oh, this person is so funny, Like this is back when you would follow follow people on Twitter because they were just just cranking out funny, funny stuff before it like became what it is now. Um it still is that to some degree, but like Bridger was one of those people.

I was like, oh my god, this guy is so funny, and and he had a bunch of tweets about like going to Arby's, you know, meeting people at Arby's. Maybe today I'll go to Arby's. And there was one tweet that there's one teet that I will never forget. I know, I know it word for word. This is my one of my favorite all time Bridge. I'm so sorry to do this. This is so this is sorry at all. He wants to do it, That's why he's doing it.

I'm glad for Arby's. For Arby's too, Okay, and I haven't had them in a while, but this is the tweet, and I'm kind of spoiling the tweet already, but this is the tweet. If you want to see the tweet, just go back, look back in two thousand and twelve. You can read it yourself, but you've been warned. This is a bridge winninger classic. Can you guess where I am? Hint? I am looking at a person parentheses, the person is wearing a shirt other parentheses. I am at r baby.

It's the perfect congratulations. Can we get a ding ding dings affect? I am? I'm just a puddle and I'm thrilled up out. Look, I've been brought on here and now I'm just proudly owning how much I love Arby's. It's good to be trashed, Will say, Arby's the menus too big. We've got to narrow it down. Wow, Arby's is shooting out some experimental things there. You make the roast beef sandwich. It's of course, it's incredibly it's it's

a very suspicious product. I enjoy eating. But when you start putting that into like a e ro what are we talking? Just do your thing. So you just wish Arby's was more like an in and out situation. A lean menu, few things that everyone loves that are undeniably good. We could all learn something from in and out. Especially they're anti VAXs well anti Bible versus. Those are the two things. Are they anti vacs? The owner is very

anti sort. He's pushing back against a lot of vaccine not mandates, but like checking like vaccination staffs and whatever coming from Bowen Chick fil A Yang. He is an absolutely and I'm like, no, this is well, Bridget will relate to this Chick fil A. I feel like, is this thing that listen to this explanation, queen no, no, better hear me out like I am it was. I don't,

I can't. I don't know exactly where it originated, but it feels like Utah, Colorado, Wyoming, Monte like like that part of the country, like rockies west of Midwest, like that was like our thing. And then in the years after, like two thousand and seven, it's really fucking like metastasized into this Chick fil a thing that we know now Jesus got involved. Well Jesus, Jesus was always involved, let's

get that straight, but Jesus straight. So it was it was a thing where like if you grew up in let's say, Aurora, Colorado like me, you would go to Chick fil A and be like, oh right, they're closed on Sundays, but you know, all the Mormon kids work there, and we're all gonna go and drink a lemonade. And it was just like part of the life. It was like built into the lifestyle. There is that is that?

Is that fair to say Bridger? Weirdly sort of? Chick fil A was only in malls since Utah, and it dwindled. There was really meaning Chick fil A and fashion play small. For years it was fashion place where you want to go. Obvious, it was the saddest Chick fil A. And then yeah, around two thousand seven comes roaring back. It's all over the place and now people kind of own it almost as a political thing or of course, which is just mine buggling. I had a straight writer say to my face, sorry,

I just like how it tastes. What are I'm sorry, it's a fine chicken sandwich. You don't have to throw in my face. That's the thing I feel bad about. It's like the sad, which is fine. It's fine, but when you have places like tender Greens who are doing chicken so wrong. It's at least nice to go to Chick fil A and where I have done it, and at least you know they're going to do their chicken right. But you know who else Those chicken tenders right Arby's.

They do chicken incredibly well. They do chicken incredibly well. And they have a soda swap, the one in Times Square as the one with all the incredible sodas, where you can say, it's not just roop here, it's vanilla roop here. It's not just Dr Pepper, it's cherry dr pepper that you can swip and swap do all these sorts of things. I am so happy to hear about. No one knows about Arby's chicken tenders. They don't know because they're sore, because because you said it, you said it.

It's the men used too big, isolate in and out we do burgers by see you later. I feel like the soda swap, as Matt calls it. When Matt says soda swap, he means like that iconic thing. It's a coke free style there. Oh my god, that's this is this is the writer brain really working, yes, in that way. That he knew what it was really called. That's that writer brain. But I think he invented the term sort of off the top. I'm wish coke freestyle. That's a style that's hot, but it was I feel like this

is also a big thing. And among Mormons who can't drink alcohol, can't have caffeine, can't like or I mean, they can't have Coca cola obviously, but at least they can get creative with like adding some syrups to a phosphate, to a sprite, to whatever is that is? That also fair to say, though, And this is the most confusing thing, maybe the most well, no, it's not the most confusing thing about Mormon is um, but one of the most confusing things performans drink Coke's coffee is the one definite no.

Why why do you have? Do do you have an answer to why? Because because I know you, I know you sort of left the church. You were you were like a Heather gay and when you were a teenager? Is that correct? I was. I didn't come out till I was thirty, oh my goodness, And you didn't leave Mormonism till you I like, it was a slow exit for Mormonism starting when I was like nineteen twenty. Okay,

so so got it. So that feels that feels pretty I would say that that that all makes sense, like based on like a lot of a lot of this journey just feels like that is sort of the way it's it's it gets tracked these days. But talk about the sodas so okay, so the soda culture, caffeine culture

within Mormonism, it's baffling to everyone. I'm going to just be a spokesport person for the Mormon Church at this point and just let people know I'm started to make I think it needs to be you because there's so many voices on the real hospitals of Salt Lake City. I want to know, like how you can distill it so we can understand it. And then I want to know who you identify with most on the show through the lens of soda. I just feel like, I'm sorry

to put you in this position. Don't apologize that. I want to reach out to Mormons everywhere and say you can have any caffeinated soda. You can have a coke, a diet coke, the mountain, do a diet mountain, do a pepsi, a diet pepsi. If it's the only thing at Arby's. Can you have cream soda? You can have? You have so much cream soda, NonStop cream so wow, goodness. Cannot have coffee, cannot have coffee, cannot have caffeinated tea. What is it a terrestrial drink? Is it a devil's drain?

An outer darkness? Drains Mormons have? It's an outer darkness? Well, no, there are very few people who go to outer darkness? What is that? Basically within Mormonism, outer darkness is like ultimate hell. So wait, Heather Gay was just talking about this on this episode. I didn't know this that there's different levels of I only saw the last half of the episode. Yeah, and because Bravo put it on at I know it was really weird. This was the big

one because Jen gets arrested. Yeah, I saw the good part. How the sort of delineates it. She goes, there's celestial, there's um, what's what's the one below that? Maybe telestial telestial terrestrial darkness? The outer darkness and outer darkness is reserved for truly eleven people or something like it. Like the rule is if you meet God and then deny God, you go to outer darkness. So it's very few people

get that opportunity everyone else. I meant God, and she said, baby, you better stick with me, and I said no, bit whatever I meant God, I said, never mind, Queen, I'm turning around. You watch my fat ass walk away. Where's out of darkness? Taking the elevator down and there, honey, heat it up, beat it up anyway. This is so human. I'm sorry, Bridger, I started apologizing. This was the planel

so I feel like you must. I feel this way when people ask me about like my upbringing, and I'm like, I don't want to sort of get re traumatized in the recounting of certain things. It's not that severe, but I'm like, oh, but it is sort of like I gotta, you know, sort of exhume all that stuff from my life and be O, what do you think for me? It's like people just don't know how to modulate. They either they'll find out and then they don't ask anything

and then it's weird, or they ask everything. And I'd much rather people just ask everything. I don't care. I'm happy to talk about it. And we've got to get we all have to get on the same page about Mormons drinking soda. That's the Mormon Church should be putting out ads. Yeah you can drink. Maybe it's like a

collab with coke. Yeah, something. Well, Lisa Barlow is essentially advertising diet coke on the show, and so when when there was a question about soda consumption on the podcast just now, Um, I really was thrown for a loop because here she is already throwing it in the face of God outer darkness ship drinking tequila, um, and even selling it mass market. And she's obviously a huge fan of diet coke. But these things are sort of acceptable,

I suppose. Yes, Lisa Barlow's entire relationship with Mormonism in baffling. What part of the religion are you involved in? Because it doesn't seem to be the religion and her family is going to die. They eat a taco three three deals today. It's crazy wild. But I relate to that soda consumption. Yeah, you're talking to two sodaheads soda queen's

when I was little. I actually think the reason I am the way I am is because growing up in the nineties, I think it hadn't hit Long Island that soda was bad so when I was when I was growing up, every dinner there was three types of soda on the table. There was a full two leader bottle of sprite, a full two lead bottle of coke, and a full two lead bottle of diet coke, the trinity, the trinity. Really, so that was coke sometimes sprite. When I was feeling like, maybe maybe we'll just chill tonight,

you know what I mean. I was a dinner with a friend a week ago and he ordered himself a sprite. I could not believe. The very funny writer John Millstein. Okay, he's wonderful, very funny, and he told me there's a secret group of people who are drinking sprite. I'm not so secretly. The preferred drink in any situation for me is a sprite, no alcohol, just I want to sprite. The most refreshing drink in the world. It's one of the best kept secrets. All the coolest people are drinking sprite,

and it's like it needs to be known. Do you guys want to know the Mandarin translation of sprite, Yeah, it's b, which roughly translates to I might be getting this wrong, but it means snow, and I think it means snow nectar, like snow gorgeous, isn't that beautiful? And I'm like, that is I would drink sprite, But that's the same thing with mountain dew is a beautiful name. Gorgeous.

Mound dew is absolutely stunning name. I wish that. I wish that had tasted as good as it sounded, because you hear a mountain dew and then you sort of drink what it is and you're like, oh, that feels like super sprite does like mountain. One of the darkest moments of my closeted life. It was probably two thousand twelve. I was living in a studio mid city Los Angeles. For some reason, I walked to the nearby Ralph's at eleven PM and purchased a diet mountain Dew. Started drinking

it on my web. Way back, passed through a group of like tall, very good looking, very well dressed men near the l Ray Theater. And as I'm passing through, I look over and like this far away. As I'm drinking diet mountain dew is Morrissey, I felt I've never felt lower. Just trash. I just absolute trash. Did he notice you drinking this diamond? I'm sure it just screams

out the packaging. Really, it's just like letting the only thing is to drink a mountain do code red because because because the packaging is literally code rad I mean it's it's it's alerting everyone around. I feel like morrissey Is would not judge someone for drinking and diet mountain dew. And it feels like maybe even like a very Smith's esque thing to drink one it like past eleven PM in mid City. Like it feels that that's part of

the the imagery that that the Smith's evoke. I absolutely disagree. I think so. I think that's true. This this charming man drinking a diet mountain jew. I would go out tonight, but a diet mountain that's perfect. I think that's perfect. Okay, So before we ask you our question that we always ask our guests. I mean, this is this is compulsory at this point for you. What are your thoughts? I'm sure you've been asked so many times by people, what are your thoughts on the real house Hives of Salt

Lake City? Are you enjoying it? Does it feel reflective of your memory of it, or you know the way you conceive of Salt Lake City because it is his Housewives intro. Because I heard on your episode of your podcast with Cola Scola that you had not waited the waters of Housewives. You just said, Okay, if they're doing Salt Lake City, let me just see what the funk it is. It's a beautiful gateway. I think. I agree. I had seen maybe one episode of Beverly Hills and

it was not hooked. Uh, and this has sucked me in in a way that I could have never imagined. You too beautiful. I went back home for the first time since the pandemic in April. I saw my parents and then I borrowed my mom's car and at about thirty PM drove to Beauty Lab and like, just to the Oh my god, you didn't go in, Well, it was closed, so I went the next day. And when you went in, what, Okay, explain what it's like to walk into Beauty Lab and Lazer I want a full

trip report. Well, I'm I was familiar with this parking lot. This parking lot is the area there's like a there used to be a sporting goods store. There was the like weird, like, uh, teachers supply store where you would like go to get things for school supplies or whatever. And then there was maybe a Skipper's Fish and Chips for a very long time, so I was like familiar, gonna put a pin in that because I want to

go there. Skips, Fish and Chips iconic. The moment I saw a beauty lab on the show is like, oh, I know that's a very trashy parking lot that that's located in. I go there and I pulled up and I thought, I'm gonna go in and just act like not like I'm not familiar with the show. I just want to look at the menu. Uh, let what's happening here? I went in and caved immediately. I said, I'm sorry. I'm a huge fan of the show and I just had to come in. And they loved, They were thrilled,

they were beyond throws. Oh do you want to get a picture? Do you want to get a picture. They take you right back to the angel wings. You know, they have one of those terrible street art angel wings. I got my they took my photo. I have sunglasses on because their prescription I look insane. Um And then I left it. The whole thing felt very like Soviet hospital.

Oh my god, like they're like I felt like the weird little curtains and it just didn't because it feels almost medical but not not really, not really, it's beauty. So but they were so welcoming and thrilled to half me. I've got photos. And then I my sister knew where or the whereabouts of like basically where Whitney Rose lives because they have like a she lives in this area called Daybreak, and it's a very clear maybe where she was.

My sister, god bless has not seen the show, drove me around until we found Whitney's house and I got my picture outside of it. Oh my god. So Heather was not at beauty Lab and may have been inside, but you don't know. Yeah, let's assume she was inside. Sure, let's assume she was inside. Was it was the pandemics though, And let's assume Heather was doing work, she was blasting someone's face or something. Mine one of the uss are curtain.

I mean, do you do you have a temperature read on what Salt Lake City as a community, as a municipal community, how they are affected by this show. I have a little bit. I feel like there's a decent amount of embarrassment. Okay, I feel like practicing Mormons are probably annoyed. I think the rest of the experience that these women have feels very far removed from Utah in general, right,

especially like Meredith. I mean, she seems like she's like doesn't even live there or right, It's very clear based on her Instagram activity that that's the case. Um I have I do have. I won't say how they're related to me or anything, because I don't know how well any of how well Lisa knows them, but I do have have someone in my life who has interacted with Lisa, and it's not a great report. I also know someone. Again, I wish I could give more details, but I always

is this gonna get me sued? Mary not acting well at an event, that's all you and that's all you have to say. I don't think on a single event depicted on the show, so I don't think that's gonna get you sued. I think that she's live BLib bliss for bad behavior at events. Right. Uh. I wish I really wish I could tell more about this. I will say, like also things about bills not getting paid that kind

of I hear. I think, you know, when I started talking about on Instagram, like people from high school or whatever would reach out and be like, oh, this this person. Like we almost had to call collections on this sort of thing. So it's like, oh, people, they're in the community, and they are probably all terrible, although I kind of love them. I'm hitting I'm I'm I'm hitting critical mass with Mary. Unfortunately, I'm like, I don't know how much longer I can watch this. She's got a big episode

this week. I'm gonna tell you, like, she's completely unhinged. It's really dark, and I think it's gonna get darker. Let me ask you, guys what you think about Jenny, because I think she just seems like the most normal person who has been sucked into this. It's like, how did It's like she stumbled into the show and she doesn't belong there. She's just a nice she has a healthy normal Well the husbands, but they seem otherwise. They're doing science projects at home or whatever, and then there's

never any drama drama other than like where the ski resort. Now, I'm going to tell you you have to have a baby, and I'm going to marry someone else. There you go, Bridger, It's that there's there doesn't seem to be any drama because I don't think there is, and I honestly think this stuff with her husband is a little it smells a little manufacturer to me, which is crazy because she's truly like the fish are nibbling at her legs and she's talking about her and the miscarriage just like this.

It's not something you should be pressured into talking about. We're not we're not high on Jenny and we don't

know it's too bad. And like I hate to I do agree with you on everything you've said, Bridger, And it feels like I don't mean to say this in a way that like to frame it in terms of belonging, because that's like a touchy sort of thing to throw out there when it comes to like I don't mean, I'm sorry to go here, but like an Asian person, feeling belonging anywhere is tough, like in this country, but like on the show, it's tough because it feels like

there is this effort and it's a little sweaty. And then I to make this comparison, I'm making this comparison rhetorically to like a Crystal Kung Minkoff, for example, and I'm like, there's there's just like it's it's not that it's it's not that it's an Asian thing, and it's more that, like I think Jenny's probably, like you said, just like a lovely, normal person who has wonder as a really interesting backstory, but like is otherwise pretty well adjusted and then kind of has to like do the

reality show persona drag that like I think jen Shaw does, but then oh wait, she's actually a despicable person like that. It's horrifying to me if it's true or not true. So if it's true that her husband Dewey is saying to her on camera for the first time, I want to have children, despite the fact that you've had nine mischaracters and a still birth and you are in your forties and your body is not able to have children.

It doesn't matter to me. You should have a baby, and if you don't want to have one, we should introduce another woman into our mayor into our relationship. If it's actually true that that is happening on the show and it's unfolding as real drama, that's awful. And if they're faking it, it's also awful. And it's either true or it isn't, so it's bad either way. She I wish she could have just had a normal life. I feel like this, who forever one a normal life? Can

say a rural culture number eleven. I wish normal life. That's all I really want for everyone. They seem so it seems like a happy family. Well on this episode, like she does, Mary doesn't invite her to her Italian cooking lesson. So they're at home and it's literally this is the scene. It's Jenny in the kitchen like washing her hands to cook, and her children are like the Von Traps. They come in one by one, Mommy, what are you doing? Can I help you cook? Well? Yes,

I was planning on making dinner, of course. Well let me just again my hands washed and clean as well so that I can help. Okay, wonderful. The next kid comes in, Hey, are you guys cooking in here together? Might I joined absolutely wash her hands and it's just like, what the fuck is this? That's the show I want? I guess that show all right. Well, before before we drop into the outer darkness, that is talking about only

this show on this podcast and don't test us. Um, we should ask the question that we ask all of our guests, Bridger, what was the culture that made you? Say? Culture is for you? So this is basically asking what was the culture that sort of made you into the person that you are. This could be popular culture, film, television, music, theater, etcetera,

damps or just general culture. What's it for you if you're looking back and assessing, I will say the what my family zero God bless my parents, terrible taste, both of my older brothers, zero taste, no peek into the outside world. The only tiny peek I head into anything was that, for some reason, my parents watched Letterman, which

is so out of the for them. Um, which truly like Letterman was kind of how I was introduced to Amy Sedaris, which became Strangers with Candy, And that the fact that if that didn't exist, I would probably be at the bottom of the Great Salt Lake or something. It's uh, truly that tiny because there was no other culture. Yeah yeah, zero, yeah, So that I don't great answer. Oh, I love that. I want to know that what was life filled with if there wasn't like culture and like

arts like video games. Okay, okay, great video games were a nice safe entry into which led to the Internet, which is another like that was another little peek into the world, right was it like StarCraft? Like battle that stuff? And then you were like you learned how this all worked with a Diablo to like what like, like the internet is important. It was early looking up Mario sixty before they before the N sexy four was announced, because

that was a launch title. That was a launch title, and I one of the most mortifying experiences I had as I don't know, six or seventh grader was I was so obsessed reading about Mario that my sister's friend Ashley called, and I answered the phone Mario, and I thought, now everyone knows I'm a nerd. I would think it was the secret was out. Uh but yeah Mario, which led into I still think so much about video games despite the fact that I played maybe two a year.

I'm the same way. I'm the same way. I don't play them with the sort of I don't know availability though, Yeah, sure, like I wish I played more, but I think about them all the time. Yeah I don't. I guess it's just a disease. I'll live with until I die. The fact that like a seventy five I'll be thinking about video games feels far fetched, But here we are. Was it um? And then what would talk about? I have such indelible memories of I wasn't even playing Mario sixty four.

I was just watching someone else do it, and I was like, this is right there, not even that. It wasn't even my sister was like other kids, like other kids in the neighborhood and be like this, this is insane. Well, graphically that was like a new frontier. It was a

whole new thing. Yeah, I mean it was. It is like it was like a giant shift in the way anything worked for as far as computers went right, absolutely as far as as far as video games went in terms of like three D motion, it was like and then just I mean to think about, like I think all the time about how they got it so right in that game genius to be like, Okay, it's gonna be at the castle, but then you jump into these paintings to go into the level like genius. That would

still work today. That's still like that is still innovative today, and that is crazy to me. I don't know, be right out of the gate in a medium and do it right feels wild to me. It's like landing the Mars Rovere. It's like you have like a one square inch of terrain to land on and you've gotta you gotta landed just right. And where did you feel? Yeah? Did you feel that way about Zelda? Of course? I mean just completely Banjo Kazoo Banjo, it's underrated banjom ZOOI

actually doesn't get talked about. Also, I mean I feel like Kazoo is a very gay I mean they're both very gay characters. There's kind of the sassy bird and the like Banjo is kind of sexy, he's got nothing

but short kind of just he's a hot bear. Also like, I'm sorry, but can I just stick up from my girl Donkey Kong because I feel like gets the shaft And I'm really excited because Super Nintendo World is getting there's gonna be Donkey Kong roller coasters in them, so we're not just doing first thought like oh it's Super Nintendo World and it's gonna be Mario, only Donkey Kong will be represented and it matters, So am I with Donkey Kong? People? If that roller coaster isn't a mine card,

then the whole thing should be shut down. And let me tell you something, Bridger, you're gonna be excited. Guess what. It's a mine cut rollercoaster, babe, and it jumps the track. Oh that can't well, then I guess you're gonna eat your goddamn hat. All right, that's gonna be can't possibly jump the track? That is the look it up because guess what, it's gonna appear to jump the track, but

there's gonna be the track underneath the track. There's gonna be a track underneath the track, So there's gonna be like a single rail track and then quote unquote track and it's gonna appear to jump the track very much though, a perfect illusion. I don't like that. I think they should commit or it's a binary thing either. What are they don't wants to be soaring through the air in a mine card? Potentially? Yeah, they're making a movie with

Donkey Kong. Is that right? We can't let these characters talk. It's you know what it is. It's that thing of it's like all the Nintendo characters together and so now Chris Pratt is Mario and so they announced the cast for this like Mario movie, and I was like, the casting is all over the place. I felt like Chris Pratt should have been Donkey Kong and I was like, just the casting was literally all over the place. Any teller Joy is Peach, which I loved, and the rest

of it. All the Mail characters were like Jack Black should not be that one. He should be this one, that one, the other one. But you know who's Jack Black? We could pull up cares. I mean, Mario was in the conversation. I do want to talk about Letterman for

a bit, but let's just up, okay. Um. I mean I feel like for us, for us, you know, friends of Dorothy whatever, Like the Sedaris interviews were always like just such a moment, you know, just the best television I could watch, the best television and like every I mean like I like I remember them specifically, like the ones she came on went because she would just like they would just call her up when like a guest would drop out and she's like run up the street.

And then you know, like Dwayne Wade was there, and then she had this whole thing, dude, you know what I'm talking about where she was like and then like she would like promote. She promoted the Streets of the Kenny movie, which felt like a beautiful moment because like she actually had something to promote. Um. She would always have a new dress, which I think would be purchased with the money from the previous appearance, which she would talk about like uh, being a waiter, things like this.

It just everything she did was perfect. She would give tour. I feel like she gave a tour of her neighborhood at one point that was just a huh. I mean, I feel like there is something about Letterman like would work today despite all of like the culture being pulled

in a million different directions. But like he was he was the person who was able to pull off being an asshole in the way that like you could say that like Larry David does now, but like for like his person as a late night host was so so right, even though he was like a jerk and like and has like shitty opinions of course, but like you like you could tell that, like it's like the only person like Tina Fey would like love to go on and like like she like prepare stuff for him, um, and

then like the Paris Hilton interview. I unfortunately think that it is still like it's it's humiliating for her obviously, and it's like not, yeah, but why did she go on that? It's like you know what I mean, Like I understand it's painful for her now, but it's like ultimately, like who, why would you book her on that show? It's gonna be nice. I just I just that that is like people can come for me. I think that is one of the funniest moments in late night TV

at the time. Paris was like courting negative attention and sort of like loving it and like I don't know,

like doing pretty despicable things. Not that that like calls for her humiliation on like a late night show, but like I just feel like this is not like she's not completely a victim in this scenario unfortunately, and I feel like Dave was just kind of having fun with her, Like can I just say this is so I'm sorry to make this about me, but like when when An Andrews' and I were writing The Iceberg we Can Update, we were just we were basing it off of that interview.

Someone someone who is uncomfortable does not want to talk about something and it's trying to deflect its being like I'm actually here to talk about something else. Like that was what we based it on. Like we were like, we have to study this, we have to really study this, and like this is how we're going to write it.

And I and I watched that back last year and I was like, this is, of course uncomfortable, but like I don't know, Like when the guy cheers like love you Parish, she goes love you too, and then Letterman, without missing a bi goes someone you met in prison and the audience just erupts. Also like no one noticed that, Like no late night host is doing. Mean, you know,

they're all the nicest guys in the world. Like it's so it is so race to the finished kindness that you kind of miss that edge because it's and it's almost like I wonder if there's something where they feel like they can't do it because they don't feel like they can touch him, you know, But then what are we watching? I mean, Cordon, what are we talking about?

The nice And also Paris was not the first person that Letterman was mean to, Like if she was his first target, it'd be like I don't know, no, but like I feel like Kimmel. Kimmel does a great job. I think so too, as real. I feel like he does everything you can to make it a real interview and between two human beings rather than playing a game

or whatever we're doing on these other things exactly. And I'm sure I feel like people who work there like come out like, I don't know, really enjoying that experience. I worked there, and yeah, yeah, he's the night He is an actually nice person. So he's just a real person on television rather than the reverse of what I

think is happening on other shows. All right, so this is this is the Mario voice cast, and let's see if you agree with me that this is wrong, not that these people shouldn't be in the movie, just that it should be switched around. Chris Pratt is playing Mario. I have a problem with this based on based on voice casting only, and yet is Peach sure, Charlie Day is Luigi, Seth Rogan is Donkey Kong Keegan, Michael Key is Told, and Jack Black is Bowser. Correct me if

I'm wrong. Seth Rogan should be Bowser. He's got the gravelly voice like and also Bowser's number one thing is that he's a comedic genius. I feel like, like not that Jack Black isn't literally hilarious, but I feel like Jack Black is giving me more honestly Donkey Kong. I feel like Charlie Day Brogan should be Charlie Day should be Mario. I was gonna say, yeah, that works, Kegan should be Luigi. I think they gotta bring it someone new for Toad. I don't know who that kicks off.

I'd say, you know what, maybe Chris Pratt would be a funny Toad, but I don't get Keegan Michael Keef for Toad, Like, what's the take? Now? You need a bri not that Kegan doesn't have an Charlie Dave should be told, Charlie Day should be told. Oh, interesting choice. Okay, you're saying Chris should be Bowser, Chris Donkey Kong. Jack Black should be Mario, Keegan should be Luigi, Seth should be Bowser, and Charlie Day should be I don't know what. No,

Charlie Day should be told, that's it period. Charlie Dave is Toad makes sense to me, perfect sense. None of these characters should have voices. At should be a silent film. It should be you know she on the sheep, the artist, the artist. Yes, I mean it should be. It's going to be really unsettling to hear them say more than

four words. I mean, like to me. The longest Peach has ever spoken aloud in real life is at the beginning of Mario sixty four when she's like, please come to my castle for a cup of tea or whatever. She mostly says oh. She mostly says oh. She says

a variety of things throughout Mario Kart. She wrote that beautiful letter at the beginning of Mario sixty four, and then she's screaming, and she's screaming when she goes into the water and Toad, I usually I'm Toad, and so you get a lot of wow, and you get a lot of like a lot of that ship, which I kind of love. And I just feel like that is Charlie's day energy and the and the Toad scream, the Toad effort or whatever. That people don't talk about enough

is how about amazing? Amazing? So dropped in some of the best sounds. Did you ever play Super Mario Galaxy? Did this? If there's a new Mario game, I'll play it. You play honestly, I feel like I should revisit because people like really wrote that off pretty quickly. It's pretty good. It's good. I just I just could have played it and I finished it in like two days, and so like I have no memory of it. But I feel like if I were to start again or try to get all the moons, I think I would like really

enjoy it. It's delightful. There's the you know, the nightclub singer. I mean, there's just Bizar paul right, paul she's the mayor and the nightclub singer, Matt. You would die for Pauline. She's she's in a red dress. She's the mayor of New Donk City, New Donk City, don And there's this whole segment once you beat that world where she sings this beautiful jazz song. As you like, as you as Mario like jump around Sky's papers, you turn into a two D version of yourself eight that version of Mario

taking coins. Well, this gorgeous the most beautiful song you've ever heard in the world plays and there's fireworks. It's in the night sky, one of the most beautiful. I genuinely believe, like a lovely moment in video games, truely it feels like like a monument. Yes, I want to drive into New York. I want to drive into New York City with that song just blaring. Yes. Yes, I always play like it's I'm so fucking stupid and basic. But it's like a college thing that we used to

do when we would drive back in the city. We play the boys are back in town. It's very eight, like you're you're nineteen years old, but like, I'm going to try that next time. Another good choice when you're returning home is uh, MAXI nightingales, right back where we started from. Oh, perfect end of a road trip song. Perfect song, perfect song. I have something to ask you. You might have already talked about this on Homophilia with Matt mcconky and Dave Holmes. Bites, Um your Weezer connection.

I feel like we can both relate to on a deep level, right Matt, Yeah? Are you both Weezer people? Yeah? So, I I'm sort of lame because I I came to them late when they when they went pop, so like, um, your daddy, I was like, who's this part of the problem? I know a big time but that's sort of Micross the bad I'm your daddy. Was that the Red album or is that gratitude? I feel like that's gratitude. That's where I get blurry. Yeah, that's where a lot of

people get blurry. But I feel like you were I think you were saying that, like Weezer was your first sort of like latch key out of this like cultural desolation. That was I got the Blue album at Walmart. I think eighth or ninth grade would put it on repeat while I played I hate to return to video games. But Wave Race before four hours? Oh my god. Uh and that was the first like that. Yeah, led to other music and then too unfortunately Pitchfork and all this nonsense.

We've all been there. What what can I say? Rivers Cuomo defined how men who read dress basically maybe for the rest of time. Yeah, he was definitive. He is. He is an aesthetic icon, that's for sure. Yeah, and I'm hooked. I'm trapped unfortunately, and whatever their cycle is, do you find him attractive? No? Got it? I will say before Andrew Cuomo, before the Cuomo sexual For Andrew Cuomo, there were there were gay Weezer fans who identified as

Cuomo sexuals. Rough from that right, yep. So rough, but I've never found Rivers attractive. Really, I feel like that's part of like, that's part of the the appeal for some people, and they're like, oh, this like guy who reads, that's perfect. He's very cute. He's like cute in the way like uh, Sanrio characters cute. He's Butts Marou, He's Carabie, He's the frog. That's adorable. Honestly, I would like to see Rivers in in the Mario movie. I think Rivers

would be an interesting toad. To be honest, he's gonna I guarantee he's gonna end up in the movie. I think that would be good. But this is interesting. Let's talk about this Rivers Cuomo is cute that I think like is Unfortunately what everything else is built around this idea that like he is this Peter pan Um, what's that movie that Robin Williams is in when he doesn't grow up? Hook, Hook Baby? What we're talking about? No, No, it's not that he never grows up. Is that he

grows so fast fast jack. That's right, that's right, grows up in doubly fast. And is that a Coppola movie? Um? Yes, I think I think it is. And I think it's one of Jlo's first role. She plays the teacher. What oh God? And Diane Lane, isn't it And of course Diane. We can't forget about Diane anyway. This is you please.

While you're doing that, River, I think he's like really leaned in a little too hard to the point of no return, where he's like, I will I might be in my mid forties, but I will not ever leave the state of mind of being like a twenty two year old. I have been thinking about this recently, and I think female songwriter's age so much better than male songwriters. Absolutely, like the wisdom actually continues to come out in the songs.

Male songwriters become famous when they're twenty three and then state twenty three until they die, with the rare few rare exceptions. You're so right, absolutely like yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's here. What's your relationship with Taylor Wait, Taylor? Oh god, I'm so embarrassed right now. Taylor Swift. I like to call her Taylor, I Taylor. I appreciate Taylor Swift like I appreciate like an Apple store, where it's like it's pristine, every detail has been poured, the money

has been poured into make this perfect for everyone. No one will be uncomfortable with this, sure, but it makes it difficult for me to access on an emotional level. I would say that she's she sort of supports your argument here where it's like even someone like Taylor Swift who got so famous at a young age, can still develop in a healthy way as an artist, whereas now

she's writing songs in this very mature way. Like I just feel like that never happened, almost never happens with male artists, like like down to like you know, I don't know, like maybe like the one person I can think of weirdly off the top of my head is like Robert Plant. It's like, oh, you made like a fun like you made a fun album with Alison Krause, Like good for you. That is true, It's like you you kind of you kind of get the feeling that maybe John Mayer was best when he first came out,

you know what I mean. This is a really interesting theory, Bridger. I think I could be wrong. No, I don't think you are frequently constantly wrong. But I don't know the evidence is there. You have not shown any evidence so far in this podcast that you've ever been wrong, because we only know you on this podcast so far, and you've got to be wrong. So your your allegation that you've been wrong in the past is one that I can't I certainly don't recognize you in the last twenty minutes.

I'm just going to shotgun blast of misinformation, just spreading. You know, do you want to say, do you want to start what? What? What? What propaganda? Do you want to say? I have no propaganda. I actually feel like even joking about propaganda this point plants the seeds and stupid people's heads and they're like, well it was said aloud, Maybe I'll look into this. I feel like the Internet, know, like how you plan a plant will only grow as

big as the pot. I feel like your brain can be the Internet is this bottomless pot for stupidity, Like your stupidity has no limits with the Internet, you can be as dumb as you want. M M. I feel like the Internet is the plant, and it can only extend as far as our brains go. You know, like there is where we're hitting. We've hit the ceiling years ago. That's where the metaverse comes in. I don't understand how well.

In fact, I literally I literally saw I think it was like I saw like a screenshot of a of an article about what Meta was, and I literally was like, I'm not not No, only am I not reading this, I'm never finding out what this is. I am not engaging. No no, no, no, no no, I am not engaging with Meta or Zacher. But why do you say you will you will? You will? Is it going to be come undeniable? Because it's yes, I'm saying, sadly not at me, both of you, sadly out at me. It's going to happen.

It's gonna happen. Matt. You can't you can't put you alone, cannot beat back this tide. And it's unfortunate. It's so sad. When I saw him standing with a little cartoon of himself and he had that stupid smile on his face and unfortunately he's got like a fat ass, I was like, get the hell out of here. It's one of the rules of culture. It's really culture number thirties five. Unfortunately he's had a dunk on him. And let me tell

you something. No, I don't like it at all. No, no, no, no, you don't want a fat ass on Mark Zucker he's got a fat ass, though, And I remember he turned around looked at himself as a cartoon, and I said, unfortunately, he's got a fat ass, and I looked at it. I'm not saying I was aroused. I'm saying I looked down. Okay, Okay, Matt. You can't deny that you will know about Meta at some point, very very sort of thoroughly. And Bridger can't deny that Zuckerberg has a fat as I I won't

deny it, but I guarantee it's hideous. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know it's like milk white and like pocked, like one of those deep sea fish, you know that's like so far into the darkness that it begins to glow and like pulse sate. It's the outer darkness, Mark Dr Brooks is the outer darkness, and in the most white way possible. There's no natural selection for beauty or esthetics because there's no light that shines on it gets all the time to like not to like, well, actually has

to absolutely shame because he's literally ruining the world. But I feel like every time I see him, it's more Voldemort, you know what I mean. He is like not aging, but not in like a good way, when you're like there's just something he's it's a stasis rather than that's it, it's it's, it's, it's it's being Yeah, just sort of

like decurred. I don't know, I don't know. Oh, favorite Weezer album before we move on those first two I think, I you know, the song Tired of Sex is still that and Get You are two of my favorite songs ever. At least they're so dirty sounding you were singing about being tired of having sex. The vocals on Tired of Sex are so sassy and weird for like a straight band. I don't know, there's something very I don't know. And the B sides, the B side perfect music, I mean, god,

it's just there there. Now you just gotta really dig for the gems. Like I think there's some great songs on Everything's going to Be all Right in the end, decent album. It feels like they're turning things around and then and then now and then now. I feel like those first two albums are like next level any for any type of music, any type of music you put

it on today, it still works. Like it's great that they're very loud, they're very noisy and dirty sounding, and then we're after that, I think occasionally is a good power pop band. Well you were, you were? You were in the Beverly Hills music video. Oh my god, and I'm sorry I was. I was. My sister and I were in it. And the Playboy Mansion. All I remember is that it felt very poorly taken care of. The grass looked terrible. There was bird ship everywhere it was.

It was shot the Playboy Mansion. No, I know that, but I can't believe it wasn't maintained. It was. It felt like an old person's house, you know, someone who was just like didn't have the means to take care of it. It was very dingy. Hugh found dead, found dead. I could find him dead now if you want. You know, you know that we announced that he died on this podcast, and then we had to dory record because he wasn't

dead yet. And then he died four months later. And then he died four months later, but we heard that he died, announced that he was dead, and then when we had to ascend, we ever spend that announcement. Wait, who gave you the information that he had died? Matt? I remember Matt finding it like looking at it on Twitter being like, oh my god, all these tweets are saying, Hugh Hefner is dead. We have to, like, we have to talk about it. It's culturally we have we have

to talk about it. Respond, we have to What was the time spend between your recording and releasing the episode? I think by the end, by the time we stopped recording, I like looked into it for maybe two seconds and was like, he's not But but we had but we had to do. We had to go back and re record and be like, hey, just so you guys know, like we're about you're about to listen to an episode that talks in depth about the life and death Hugh Hefner. We have to say before if this is the first

Peter Smith episode. Everyone but we we literally I think, did a hard fifteen minutes on his death. But on the top we said, hey, just kidding about the next twenty minutes. There was no way of cutting around it, so desperate, scoop desperate. I will say, last thoughts, I feel like we ever get to talk about Weezer on this podcast. Make believe that album that Beverly holdses on has some great songs on it as well. I think

the production doesn't do it any favors. Sure, absolutely sounds terrible. Uh, some of the songs are catchy, the lyrics are horrible, but I mean post two thousand with Weezer, what are you gonna get? Post Green album, It's like it's tough right then Red album had some interesting things. Um and yeah, I'll scorch O on Pinkerton is one of my favorite

songs of all time. It sounds fantastic. I feel like there was a period when Rivers Green album Maladroit was recording nonsense lyrics, which he got a lot of ship for. But I would much prefer the lyrics to be just absolute stream of conscient consciousness rather than like trying to sound like a teenager in love. I don't need a fifty year old man singing about being in love and going to the mall. You are my baby, and of the worst, it's one of the best. They have a

song on that album. They have a song on Ratitude called the Girl Got Hot. It's so like this girl from high school who didn't look that good Now she's hot. Can you believe it? Does that make you look at all the work before the hand and be like, maybe we were wrong because they're trusting to this, or do you think it was ironic? I think it's just that person had a genuine mental break and we're watching a

new person operating the world. So it's sort of like when was like fining a hordes And would you say that Jewel was a different person after that? That was the inflection point. Absolutely can't find the job. I forgot about pop O three oh four. It certainly wasn't foolish games. Sure, sure, I think it's time, Matt. I think it might be time before I can even start to get intil the list fair of it all, because that's that's that's turning to pop the right way, because why can't I is

actually one of the best pop songs ever. And that was ironic and you could tell in a fun way, but in a fun way, in a in a fun way where she was like, I mean, I can do this. It wouldn't it be hilarious if I had a huge fucking pop hit that was in the trailer for every rom com like watch when I do pop better than any pop girl? And I was fair, I have been

and will be. I think it's iconic I mean people like I remember that Pitchfork rating was that like a zero point now and then recently when Pitchfork released that like new batch of like these are are edited, these there are changed scores. Sure they did that for some ways or album I forget which, but then with that one, with that list Fair album, they were like we were we were being such smug assholes. No kidding, yeah, I know.

It's like, I mean, they got the pylon they deserved when they came out with that, they were like, yeah, fucky and like, I'm like Charlie xc X god Bluster was like l ow, like no one understood room Room when she first started breaking with Sophie. I remember I remember loving loving room Room when no one else did, and the quarters our friend made fun of me, and I was like, no, this is like really cool and new and like innovative. And then everyone's like no, this

sounds like noise. I'm like, you guys don't get at And I feel very vindicated talking about also did not It felt like just slightly ahead of the It didn't feel like music from space, you know, It's like this is just a new pop music. I don't know why that was so hard for people to understand. And Charlie is she's getting better. She's she is really, I mean, she's like I feel like her aestheticallyly, like in the

Good One music video. I'm like, she looks absolutely stunning, Like she was one of those girls where when she first came out, I never really understood what you looked.

I couldn't like see her when I heard her. And now it's like I feel like she's crystallizing, which maybe which maybe was honestly the point in the beginning, because she was sort of like, you know, computerized in a way, and now it's sort of like I feel like she's crystallizing and like becoming like real to me in a way where I'm like, it's really exciting because I've enjoyed it for so many years and now i feel like I'm getting like what the p o V is? Finally?

Does that make sense? Bo, Well, you're late to the part. That's actually fine because at least I'm at the party. It's better to be at the party, you know what I mean? Sure, Okay, I will say the way she walks in the Good Ones video, it could not I mean that song, there's no other way to walk to that song other than extremely purposeful power walking, like, yes, it's incredible. Do you like to stomp? I like to stomp? I didn't know. Well what did you think? I asked?

And what did you not hear? The question for ten other people in this zoom G I love to stomp. Good. The next time you see me, I will stomp into whatever room you're in. I'm a stomper and people sometimes see me on the street and will text me and be like, UM, what were you listening to? And I'm like, oh, shoot, I wasn't even meaning to stop, but I guess I'm just a stomper. I'm a stomper too. I would love to see you in person soon if I'm in l A.

We should do it. We'll figure something out. I'm saving all this. I should save all this end chit chat for later. Let's do I don't think so, honey. Let's let's do it on what I don't think so, honey. There's our segment, in which we each take one minute to rail against something in culture. I have something right. You want to go No, no, why? Why break from tradition. We're gonna go with Matt first. Then I'll go and then we'll have Bridger come in. Okay, great, let's just

get right into it. This is Matt Rodgers is I don't think so his time starts now. I don't think so. Honey sold out? Okay, so there's nothing left for me that sucks? I want it. A lot of the best things are getting getting sold out lately, so what does that mean? Like I can't participate? Sudie Green wanted one thing for her birthday. Wendy Ocefo Candle go to the website, sold out, s o l ship out of luck. Oftentimes some of the best pop stars will announce concerts you

go to get tickets sold out. Unbelievable. That means you can't even go to it. There's not a seat for you. All the seats have been bought. It's sold out. Also, the expression they quote unquote sold out it has a negative connotation when sorry, but that means they're doing absolutely incredible And if something is sold doubt a lot of people are. They're enjoying it on so I guess they're doing something right. Are you sold doubt? No, there's a lot of you available and we can hear it. So

what next thing? I know? I want tickets not sold out. I don't think so, honey. And that's one minute. You know, there's supply chain issues, and there's things are hard to buy right now. They're so hard to buy right now. And the thing is I just Douglas name said Matt's Christmas show. Yes, absolutely sold out. And I feel bad because now people are coming out of the woodwork being like can I come, and I have to be like, no, sold out, And I refused to add more dates because

my total explode. You hate being on either side of it. I don't like the concept of it. That's why I said I don't think so, honey. That's why I said it Bowen, because I don't like the whole thing. I don't like that people can't enjoy. I don't like that I can't enjoy. I don't like that. Really, what this is about is it's famously birthday season. Everyone knows this. It was Bowen's birthday today, Happy birthday, by the way, thank you, Ethan. Sudy's birthday is upcoming, and so that

means it's birthday season for me. In my culture, it's birthday season now because it's Bone and Sudy's birthdays. So I went to the Wendy Doctor Wendy os Fo Candles website Potoma might be my next chap. Yes, I think that makes it a total sense. It's very good. Um, but study literally said, I only want one thing, and it's a doctor Wendy candle, and it's sold out. And that just sort of got me really thinking about this whole thing of sold out, and I started to get

more upset the more I thought about it. Oh, I'm sorry, Has there ever been a time when something was sold out, Bridger that you felt so upset? You two? Last night I went into the lost, peless Albertson's for the first time since early pandemic, the days where the shelves were empty. It was I was genuinely an emotional experience seeing things on the shelves. I was like, Oh, I shouldn't start crying right now. I moved on in Park last August, so I haven't been to that Albertson since it was

so jarring to be in the Albertson's. Let's just say the Hollywood alberts since they have a very right for it. They now have line every aisle is a different Los Angeles street. This is all part of the model that I was not present for but the last time I was in there, you know, everyone was rushing around. Couldn't get pasta, couldn't get flour. Sold out, the worst sold out experience, pandemic and supply shortage. I just had to buy my Nieces Mario Kart hot wheels at Target because

it's for my sister. Ship it to Utah because they couldn't. Whoever in Utah has bought it out. Sold out. It's a terrible thing to have. Come on. I'm so sorry. If sold out didn't exist, you wouldn't have to experience, right, if we just had endless things, no one would have to work renewable. We need more renewable resources. It's rule culture number forty nine. We need more renewables, says someone. Get on this. God, if Jesus was always involved, they

should be able to figure something out. This is so interesting because I have deliberately avoided the Trader Joe's that I went to on March eleven before they announced New York City was unlockdown. I remember going to this Trader

Joe's in Tribeca and it was the bleakest place. It was the bleakest New Yor experience I've ever had where it was just like, oh, there's hundreds of people here, nothing's on the shelves, everyone's panicked, and like this is this is the saddest experience I've had in this city. And then I've never gone back, and I don't think I ever will. Don't return. Yeah, ye had trauma, But unless I have an experience like Bridger where I go back and I see things and I'm like, wow, this

is what I've this is the closure I needed. It might be it also is kind of a you know, it's just a jolt to the system, just a little spark, like a weird emotional spark you're not gonna find anywhere else. That's the place for it. If I want to feel something right, It's like seeing a dead loved one brought back to life. I think that's as close as you're gonna get. It's going to when people die, they're sold out. That's a little culture. When people die out, we're out

of this item. We're out of this. When people die, you can't find him anywhere. So my daughter wants one for Christmas. Sold out a grandma this year. Anyways, Bowen, I don't have my phone because it's charging. Do you mind sort of timing yourself because I'm actually like, I don't know what When you said you had so honey, I got the chills. I was so excited. It's not gonna be that good. I'm it's not going to be great. It's just I happen to be prepared for once. That's

all less excited. Now, okay, can you can you announce for me? This is Bowen Yanks. I don't think so honey, and his time starts now. I don't think a honey. Immunity tablets, immunity councils, vitamin C, specifically airborne. You had a chance to stop this whole pandemic from happening if you really fucking work. I don't care what kind of virus it is. If if there's a cartoon man on a plane going, oh, there, coffin next to me, I better pop this pill, it would have stopped the pandemic.

If if if there's a cartoon man who is saying, I better take an airborne, you better hope that it works and gets what it didn't. You had a moment, you had an opportunity. You did not rise to the occasion. Airborne invented by a school teacher. Yeah, she's just stuck to grading papers. You know what, Airborne gave us a that sickness could be managed before at the onset of symptoms. And yet look at where we are now. People are still dying. We're starting to get COVID treatments. Thank you, sir,

But I don't know. Air Born really could have stopped this whole thing from happening. That's one minute go off. If Airborne worked, we would not be in this situation. I hadn't even thought of this until now. You're so right. If Airborne was what it purported to me, we wouldn't be dealing with the worst health crisis in our lifetime. It's a delicious drink, but is that enough? So why do I have that if it's going to do the

same thing, not heal me? And sometimes you don't have a drink mix you've got an Airborne throw it in there. Where do you have Airborne and not sprite? All the time, I said what home all the time? I just think, egency Airborne, they really could have stopped this. I put the blame on them. Do you do you think do you think they do anything or do you think it's placebo? Culture. I don't know. Oh, I mean I took one today because I feel maybe a little I'm just tired. But

I'm like, you're run down and run down. But um, we'll see if it if it if it goes south, then I'll let you know. But if it helps, will you be honest? Will be honest? I will, I promise. What supplements are you two taking? I'm very curious what's like a normal day's supplement for you to? Okay, So so what I what I put in my body every single day is my prep. I do um a vitamin D because I'm actually like when I don't go out in the sun all the time, I'm actually a touch

of vitamin D deficient, which is shocking to me. And then I will do a multi vitamin, and I do a lot of stuff. I as of late, have been doing a lot of stuff with my skin, like um, you know that sort of thing. But though that's really it for me. Skin stuff supplements for your skin, like ointments and like ointments, and I'll do like serums and I'm I'm some for some reason including it in this banner, Yeah,

one qualifies a supplement. People take it back, but and what about you what are your supplements, and make sure to be really specific that their supplements, because it's not it's because Matt sucked it up, because don't be like me. No, uh, Pure for Men actually makes this men's multi vitem and now, oh interesting, it's lovely. Are you shipping hard? Um? It doesn't.

I don't think it has fiber in it. I just think they just happened to have this, like they've expanded their product line, and um, you know, I'm really liking it. And uh, that's about it. My doctor took me off prep because he was saying that it sucked with my It sucked with my like liver enzymes or something nothing, and I'm just basically like not having sex. He didn't give any hope for anything for renewal. No, I mean maybe maybe yes, maybe he was just for now, let's

just like monitor this. And I was like, okay, fine, but sorry, you might have to be like, hey, do you have a CondoMania? What is that? I don't use one? Since what about you, Bridger? What are your supplements? I mean I'm asking because this morning I took just a generic vitamin and I thought these two might know something about supplements. I just don't know that I believe in them. I've been taking. I don't think this vitamins are doing anything for me, but I'm taking that. I'm taking fiber,

and that I'm taking uh. I just recently got some I can't remember what it is for, like hair and nails kind of courts I'm swallowing condoms. The hair and nails don't do that. But then you google it and of course everyone says, oh, it's all bullshit. But I don't want to. I can't live in that world. I need to know. I need to have something at the beginning of the day that feels like I'm doing something. My vitamin D levels got better when I started taking

vitamin D. I want to say that. Okay, well and my iconic doctor um who knows who she is, and listen to this podcast. I think, Okay, thank you for putting me on vitamin D because my vitamin D went up. Okay, it's that simple. There you go. But this is this is basically what it is. Bridget. It's like, I don't know if this is doing anything for me, and crazy that you would market this product when let's just see like it could have stopped this. It could have stopped

it in its tracks. Yes, when I think, when I think about the tragedies of the last year and a half two years, I blame Airborne absolutely, and of course that Cheetah, let's blame. I do love imagining, like all of the alternative if all of these cures that have been peddled had been replaced with airborne, if that was like what Rogan was encouraging people to, just mixing some airborne.

No one ever, no one ever goes to airborne. You find at the office, you feel under the weather, and you're like, sure, sure, Aaron Rodgers was doing all the Airborne he expected. It's worth Shelene. Shelene and Aaron, we're both doing airborne. Okay, I don't know. I guess I have to be down on Shelene again. The roller coaster, with the roller coaster, with that one since since she appeared in my life, Well that's the story of the

dam credit coaster. So up and down, she's your she's your River's Cuomo Bridgers, I don't think so, honey, I think so too. I'm so excited, Bridge, Are you ready? I have so many things I could do, but I'm going to do one that uh We're just gonna do it, and everyone's gonna be mad at me. No, I hope so because that you know what that means more clicks for us. I hope that. I hope that this is really You're not going that they're gonna be like, what

are you talking? But actually, forget it. People need to hear this. Yes, let's do it. This is Bridger Wine guards. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. The dead bird I found in my backyard this morning. I'm sorry, but if you're going to be a bird in my backyard, you can be maybe dying and I can nurse you back to health or but you need to be alive and singing. I found a dead bird, which I then had to pick up with a garden a garden spade, you do. I

don't have time for a bird burial. And also my dog's gonna find it if I bury in the backyard. So what I'm what am I doing? I'm walking to the trash can and dropping a bird in the trash you can. I'm maybe this is more of a no, thank you, sweetheart, but I do not want no one should have to deal with a dead bird in their backyard. It's not unacceptable, and the fact that I had to go through that this morning is unheard of. If I find if another dead bird ends up in my backyard,

then I have a problem. Is there a toxic gas? What am I doing? I don't think so, honey. I think that, and that's one minute, and I think what you're dealing with is um toxic gas in your backyard. I might be or a cat brought it back, maybe a raccoon strangled it to death. There was no sign of real trauma, so I don't It feels like the bird dropped from the sky into that sold out by the way, was completely sold out. Bro. I would have done the same thing. I would have dropped it in

the trash and it's fine. I felt bad not burying it, but I don't know if you were never gonna be buried. Can I say something? It literally? You probably handled it with more care than it would have been handled by nature. I don'ould have had that thing decomposing on the side of the road, and that's facts a coyote dinner, you know, But you think that's better than being plopped in a garbage can, dying of natural causes and a gorgeous man's

backyard in Los Angeles backyard. I would rather be when I die devoured by coyotes than put in a trash can. Well put that out there. I want that on record. Well, you and I do not have that in common. Put me in the damn simple human trash can Why don't you? Yeah? Yeah, I to sell out in my bed as an old man. That's how I want to sell out. I want to sell out of natural causes. We're not using sell out as a replacement for as a as a synonym for

dying not available, honey, check later. Can I just say something else that I wanted to say and then you don't? Do you want to do another? I don't think so, honey. Do you want to be the first person ever do too? Absolutely not. I want to have a nice adult discussion about something that is insidious and very subtle in advertising right now and on the restaurant menus everything. Let's talk the in front of things, the cob salad. My breaking point was the other day I was walking through Target

and I saw the golf pant. Target doesn't have the golf pant anyway. Have you noticed this? Have you seen. It's like this bizarre like trying to be definitive but of casual because it's the it's the lies, it's lies, it's we have to start. It drives me out of my mind. Keep an ear out for this. Someone has referred to someone else, I don't know who, but someone was like, they're amazing, they're the article. They're they're the one, you know. Like so I think that's that's the way

of saying they're so exceptional that they're the article. I'm like, oh my god, no, no, no, no, no, you love it. I can see your face right now, you're smarting. No, I reject it. I'm having you're seeing a visceral responses.

I quote it back to you, and I think this is what's happening with the adding of the like the golf pan It's like, wait, like, what is this obsession with There can only be there's one and this is it and you and you love it and you reckon nice it as the golf pants, right, the platonic version of you know, the whatever the chicken sandwich the article though, that is going to be comic fourth that's going six months from now. Just just just look out for it

and both of you. Just stay safe out there. Well, I think we can agree that Bridger is the article morning, how do I become the article? But you didn't even have to cry because you came in here today the last culture. You were the article. You are the You are the You are the number one. And we want people to listen to the podcast. I said no gifts, the I said no gifts, I said no guests the podcast. So do you have a problem with Megan the Stallion?

Sounds like you do. Know it's a double e. If it was the Megan Stallion, no have an issue, everyone will be extremely confused. Maybe that's a nice next step for her. Yeah, maybe you're right, a little switch real prince status. Right, Yeah, that's right, the Megan stall Yes, Bowen, what an episode of The Last Coach. This was Bridger. Thank you so much for coming on. This is a

delightful conversation. Thank you for having me. I'm sorry to almost, you know, to just bring up a second complaint outside of the Dead Bird. No, but that I did feel like this, if there's ever gonna be a platform that we can take that trend down, this is this is the place where it begins. And we did it sold out everyone listening, sell out, the in front of things on menus on you know, catalogs, all of it. We don't want that. Call your senator now, stay in line.

Call your senator, especially if you're an Arizona. Call up Kirsten Cinema up. She can get it done. She can, all right. We end every episode with the song Yes we do. Beverly where Aday, gimme gimme living devily ha rullingle straight singing this for more of that song. Listened to Beverly Hills on Make Believe by Wheezer By