Look man, oh, I see you. Why and look over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness ding dong lost culture Resta's calling. Listen. In today's world where there's so many stories that have sad endings and sad when you say there's a lot of sad news, I feel like it's sad news. And then you get to the end of the article or the news story or the clip and you go, that's a sad ending. Oh my god. It's like, even if a story begins sad, it also happens sad.
But and this is sort of what brings me to this point, like we have a narrative on this podcast which has now gotten a happy ending, and I would
like to tell everyone what it is. I'm currently drinking an Allusion an Allusion night Owl pumpkin ale with a cinnamon sugar rim because the readers and Allusion Brewery, y'all really came through it for me after I said I was not in my autumnal vibe, and I had readers in my DM sending me suggestions, sending me the beers shout out to my sister Chelsea Rodgers is one of them. But when I tell you I have enough pumpkin ale for this year and next. I tell no lies. So
that was just I wanted to make anyone feel good. Reader. I faced timed with my sister the other week. She opened up her fridge to show me the fully packed sardines level, the flavor of the pumpkin beers, the variety. Even y'all really came through, and I really think it's I could cry. Actually, no joke. Well that's because you are in touch with me on a sister level, and you knew that how much it meant to me to get that pumpkin taste. And now that you've seen me inundated,
my pores are sweating. Pumpkin. You feel happy? You do, I do. I haven't seen you this happy in in a minute. I'm beaming, You're beaming, and it's it's sometimes all it takes. I'm not saying it's fully credited to the pumpkin beer, but you really need to get into the tumnal fish. You know. I'm a very tactile person, you know. I sort of like live on the edge of my tips of my fingers, you know, And I'm doing spooky sort of. I have a gues spook right
now in the zoom. Um. But I love to get my things, you know, my little little creature comforts if you will. Um. But anyway, I just wanted to sort of let everyone in on that. God, it's really I really do miss you and Autumn. I really feel like. I was just talking to someone today and I was like, what do you what do you do? What do you have coming up the next couple of weeks? And he said, you know, I'm going upstate to watch the leaf change.
I'm gonna bring some hallucinogenics with me. And I thought, and I brought it. Brought me back to that time you meet Sudy and Mofi Passic went and and Dave Zoni and I guess, of course davem Zoni. And then I recommended to him, I said, bring a fun puzzle,
a fun jigsaw, because that's what we had. And like we did our thing outside for a little bit, enjoyed nature, and then we went back inside to cook meals, to cook a meal, and you know, music was on, and then we were all putting together this beautiful Do remember this puzzle? I remember this puzzle. Remember It's actually one of I think two puzzles I've ever done in my life, which is why I remember. But what was on it? The most beautiful like painting, impressionistic painting of a girl
with a with like a red backpack. I forget what the paintings. It must be a famous painting. It looks so beautiful. It looks museum level like it would be, you know, somewhere hanging up somewhere where you have to get in pay admission, toget in. Yes, not even pay admission if it's at the med. Remember it's a it's a suggested sort of admission building where it's free to Fridays to come in at a suggested admission. Yes, anyway, I just I miss you here on this coast where
there are seasons, you know, for better re worse. But someday soon we'll have we'll have our moment. Well. Luckily the good news as I am returning come December, so by the time this episode drops, it will be it will be public news. Do you do you want to talk about it? It's I am doing. Have you heard of Christmas again? My really show? I am with it all around the goddamn you know, America? Where are you going?
Can you tell us? Going to San Francisco? Going to Chicago, doing two days to Chicago, two days in l a. Um, we're going to d C. We're doing two shows that Joe's Pub in New York and we're doing the Bellhouse. And did I forget anything? I don't think so. Live comedy is bad and it returns only when I stepped
foot on that stage. I said, And you know, it's actually interesting that we bring this up because our guests is going to be opening for me at select dates and cities besides New York and l a She traveling with you, it's some far flung watch this space. But because there's rumblings about her sort of maybe attending one city that she knows quite well, and maybe this is sort of in me bringing it up, it's sort of me nudging her, but this is not Let me just
say something about the guests. It's so interesting that you brought up that trip that we took up state, because that actually what that had in common with other holiday events is it was just family. And the guest today is just family. True Kin, true, Kim, Do you know what I mean? I'll do a third like literally literally we say it, we say it sometimes we throw this around, but literally, sister life hashtag after hashtag after let's talk
about this guest. I mean, so many credits you've known her for from from wonderful podcast projects that she's had in the past. She has another one coming up somewhat soon, I would say, in the next few months. Watch this space watch with Space. I mean, let's just say this on the US culture Restless brand, as far as we
can say, there's one podcast that's coming. It's called Stepmother the Husband Hunt, okay, and basically what's going to go on there is you're going to get a firsthand account on how to like ensnare an older husband so that you can say with with a heavy amount of dollars so you can sit on your damn ass and simply, you know, soak up life. And that is part of the feed. It's the opposite of squid game. It's like, okay, it's a common unwealth of course, and and you know,
disparities between classes, but there's no killing. There's no death. There might be some injury violence, but it's overall, it's it's it has a happy ending if you follow it correctly, it'll happy, happy ending. And then of course there is another pod headgum is presenting Senior Superlatives UM, which is really going to be the event of a much sooner season. You have to understand Stepmother is coming in two, and isn't it great have something coming in two? That's really
the mark of success. This is the time of year where you really want to have something coming up in two and the next year it's always October where you're like, wow, that's nuts. Next year, baby. But Senior Superlatives is hitting it right now. It's actually out right now as of time of release, so you may listen to that pod absolutely as soon as possible. UM. And also you know where you love her from Loss Bookies. She is the ambassador Melanie Gibbons Melanie Gibbons on Losis Bookies and you're
going to actually catch her. And next season of Starch Party invented Pink invented Pink. Oh yes, and in the next season of Search Party playing a very interesting role. We can't say much yet. HBO to the Max, essentially the culture number eleven HBO to Max, Ladies, gentlemen and my mbs. Everyone, please welcome into your ears. Greta Heitman, Oh god, what's the vibe? Is actually very cozy for me? The vibe here is very cozy. I am in my
husband's father's home. Yeah it is cozy, you know, but you know what, I don't love the lighting and overhead, I don't like it. I'm pale, I'm pale and scary. I don't like it. And my computer is old and it's very Gaussian blur for all of my for your photoshop, from my photoshop freaks, from my Adobe sweet heads out there. Okay, but it's not in the cute way like Gauziana is. But now you know we see on all the filters
it's the no poor but out of styles. Gaussian is like the blur on a grid where the it's a radial blur, but it's broken out into squares. Gaussian blur, Like there's there's very little use case for Gaussian, Like when would like, I can't think of a situation where you would want to use Gaussian. Well, you need to be like masking. I mean, you know you are. You are an Adobe king, weren't you? I was first? Like,
I really haven't. I only ever opened Adobe. I only ever all I'm paying Creative Cloud, my Creative Cloud subscription for it is to make the graphics for Lost College week would you use in design? I don't use in design. I just in design. I get freaked, and I only do it if I ever if I ever needed to do like a print thing, and I don't need to do that for photos, I just use Photoshop because I'm just making a raster. I'm not making any vector's baby, No,
that vector mat No. This is one of the horniest conversations I've ever watched. You just said vector and raster. Still shot up my spine. What is this? So the differences between rasters and vector's raster vectors in Oh my god, if top top energy or one more time, I'm a COMA vector is something he comed of. Exture is something that you can scale up or down without losing any of the resolution. So it's like it's a clean sort of scale up scale down, you don't lose it doesn't
get blurry. You know, sometimes if you try to like post something on Instagram that you're zooming in or are you zooming in on a photo too much gets a little blurry. That's a raster. So much goes into Instagram that we don't even think about. We just think it's like social trauma and like thirst traps. But actually it's vectors and rasters, and most people are postings. Most people
are posting rasters. You're not in vector images. The file size is so big that they're not like saving in vector image to your phone unless you got that new I phone. Thirteam for all. Come on, Greta, I didn't know you were so I don't know you knew all of the ins and out. You guys are jamming out. But this is actually no surprise because Matt, when you say, Greta is onever most visually just like with it friends, like she's the She's the person who I'm positive out
of all our contemporaries, we'll have a lifestyle brand. She is the closest one to a realized like aesthetic that I can only call And I don't mean this in any way qualitatively. I just mean it's Goop in that it is a brand. It's Goop. But it is like so many people are trying to do like the funny take on Goop and they do success don't walk the walk.
Oh no, I'm not and I don't. Oh my god, I immediately take that back because our friends on BMP Poog caper Lane, Jack Lenovac, I mean that is like full. That is like a like I lived in, like a conversation like those are lived in discussions about wellness and we love I'm talking about the aesthetic though of people trying to like skiwer wellness or whatever, which is great. It's a wonderful noble pursuit. I really do think that.
But Greta is someone who this is the thing about Greta is that she like is able to like take all of these images and these references and like actually like make fun of them, but also like not sell them out completely, like honor them in some way. Gret That is rat you, thank you, past I will say this.
I was like we were giving the opportunity to do the Feed, which people, if they don't know what that is, we are producing ten like character driven podcast four episodes each of each series, and Greta Um was one of the first people that we thought of because she has so many inventive characters and like if you follow on Instagram, you know, but the character of step Mother. I thought it would be so fun to see a podcast hosted
by that character. And Greta has come up with The Husband Hunt, which is a four episode series which is actually going to kick off the feed and we can't. It's the perfect kickoff, and it's so I mean, every detail is so thought out and so funny, and I mean the full pitch, the outline was like already like there, we were just like great, let's let's do it at home. Hope, I hope everyone. I mean I love to me like, I love details like that's is That's the best of
life to me is little little, itty bitty details. So I think some people will really get on board with my details and other people have no idea what the funk I'm talking about. No, I don't think that's how it works. I think that's what you're You're completely right, you are. See I'm so jealous because not to make this about me, I don't think I'm that detail oriented when it comes to like my like my output, Like I try to think big picture. I'm like whatever Matt
and I worked together, he's the details person. I'm like structure macro Greta is someone who gets both and she the fact that you love the detail is stunning to me. Well, I just like, first of all, I disagree with you, Bow and I think you're oriented. I mean that in
terms of writing in terms of like an idea. So you're you're like coming in being like the story is about a baseball team, and that is like and they're all wearing strikes and they're all like you, and that's that's that's already too detailed by decision making, right, But I think that, like, it's so interesting because outwardly, outwardly in your functioning lives, just the way you present no offense. Matthew, my dear sweet already untaken, was stopping my neck, stop
on my queen. But one would say, one would saying you are very detailed, oated. You have a you have a specific aesthetic. You have things that you like. You have you everything from your clothes to like fragrance to your just your whole way of being your the tactile artifacts of your life is way more specific and honed
in than Matt's. Where Matt is like, and I again like this is not to be a shady bitch, but Matt is like, Oh, this product that I think will be good for my eyes, I'm gonna roll it on the I'm gonna layer it on with in war products, and I don't know if it's gonna work. This is me maximalism and also like you know, um, if I were to say to Matt like, uh oh, I love this,
like this sounds so highbrow, count of me. I love this body like like handcrafted top, Matt would be like what, But I just mean and it's not about that even, It's just it's interesting that you say that. In the creative practice, your very big picture, and Matt is very specific.
And I think in the day to day life practice, Matt is someone who you know, I basically live with Matt, and he's very um, easy comes, easy goes, And I think you are the you are Like if if Matt and I sort of made up for each other's deficiencies, then you would be the end results. We know that you basically grew Gret. What we're saying is you are an ideal. You are literally I mean, you know how much I love you. But but it's like I actually,
so here's the actual ty. So sometimes I always say and this is real, and he thinks it's a joke, but it's actually real. Whenever Bowen is traveling somewhere or going to show up somewhere, I actually intrinsically know when when it's not a joke. Well, I think sometimes we say the thing of like I knew Bowen was flying in, so I actually I put my head to this guy and he is here very luke leia um if you will for my Star Wars absolutely, very exactly my fans.
But anyway, what I'm saying is I actually had that moment with Greta last week. I was like, I was literally saying in my bed and like a warm warmth thing came over me and I heard a John Williams score and I was like and I literally went over to my phone and I was like, do you do you? I'm I think I should come over and she was like yes, And then we ended up spending the whole day together because we intrinsically know when it's time to
join up. Because my girl was going through a hard day and I said I'm coming over and then we had a great day. God. But it was very surreal because Matt texted me. It was like I literally in the text he was like, hey, I feel like you need and I was like, and I wrote back, I was like, did you know I was crying on my front lawn. I thought that like he had talked to Abe or I thought that he had talked to like Karen.
I thought that he had talked to someone that knew the first hand what I was going through, and he was like, no, I just really felt like intuitive feelings. Yeah, this is the this is the triple water placement jumping in. Really, he knows emotions. This is someone who knows who can break down emotions and interpret them correctly assemble them back together. I have never met a more emotionally mature person. Oh my god, that is to you know, that's not general. Well, actually,
I think I'm emotionally aware. You have a read on people, is what I'm saying, Matt. You can read people. I think emotional awareness is probably what you're what you're saying, and I I take that as a compliment thing. I also think that you're not one to shy away from having an emotional conversation. I think a lot of people can have the tendency to cower when it comes to needing to be vulnerable or up front about their feelings because they're scared to be you know, open or whatever
it is. And you're not like that. Well, I think that Thank you for saying that, But I think really what it is is I think that I would say the same thing about you guys. And I think, really, ultimately what it is is as you get a little bit older, Like it's funny, like in my twenties, I would have I had what I would have considered to be me be fifteen to twenty really good friends, you know what I mean? Now I think I have between
like five and seven like and like. But but I guess what that is is It's like I'm more much more available to the people that I'm very close to now and I think I'm way less available to people that I used to consider good friends. But I feel like as you get a little bit older, the circle gets smaller, not necessarily in a negative way, but in like a very positive way. Like I still love everyone that I've been friends with, and I would consider that
we've been close. But it's it's interesting how when you get older, like your friendships just deep and obviously, see I can't even track that progress for myself. This is what this is the difference between me and Matt is that Mac can like think about his own personal relational history and be like, oh, this is what's changed, and me, I'm like, oh, it's all a fucking a blur. Bitch.
I like, I definitely feel that I have always had a lot of friends, and I always felt like I'm I love getting close with people, like I love having converse like intimate, I love intimate conversation. I feel so open for them, which is why I think they happen a lot. I love having them. But I think that I had a similar thing where I realized, like the older I got, I was like, oh, some people that I was once like very close with I don't necessarily
have that same feeling toward. And like the codependent side of my brain was like, that's bad. They probably hate you. And then I was like, no, that's also just part of growing up. That's part of getting older, and it's okay. And just because you're not like close with your eleventh grade friends in high school and doesn't mean that they want you to die in rotten hell. Of course, can I admit to something that I kind of feel bad about? To admit it? Admit it? Think Matt knows too. This
is the podcast. This is the new new amentment called Admit It Admitted. Okay, here we go. Um. Greta texted me last night, look, Bow, you should not feel bad about this, but continue. Let me let me just let me just put it out there. Yes, yes, I think wow. I mean the vibe we were coming in, very honest, emotional, like it's family, family episode. Okay, great, essentially the title of that family episode it's family episode, It's family episode. So so she texted me last night being like, Hey,
I'm coming in. Would you want to get dinner before we record the podcast? And I mean, Matt, Matt. I talked to Matt last night. You knew were the kind of place I was in. I was very tired, exhausted, disappointed, sad, just a lot of things in the short term, nothing long term sad, but I was just like, god, I just I really just need to be in a quiet room by myself for it for the next few days. And then and then I was like, got Matt, I really want to see Gretta, but I don't know. I
really just like I can't even at home. I couldn't even leave the home to see anybody. I was like, what I leave for anybody? No, not even you, my sister. I know I could be dying dead on the street and time it was a show week, and I would said, girl, I could die, girl, I could I said, girl, that that maybe, but the fact is that it was show week. Yeah, he said, he's got cut. My multiple pieces got cut, and so therefore you you better bleed out, bitch. I
hope it goes quick, mama anyway. And then and then I thank you, thank you so much for me. And then I texted Greta back. I said, I'm so excited that you're coming on tomorrow. I just from my own. I'm in this weird place. Can we do it some other time? How long are you in town? Anyone is going to And that's why I felt safe, Yes, literally because she she get it. There's a heavy part of my heart that is still like I shouldn't have done that. No,
here's the thing. We are all in a codependent generation. I'm sorry something happened to all of us where like we all feel that like we all need to be there all the time for each other and like this like and look like I am there all the time for my friends. In my heart, you are I can give. I can give what I can give. However, like we all need to prioritize ourselves number one, because if you're not in like a healthy way with yourself, you can't
be in a healthy way with your friends period. So for me, like you saying and this is, by the way, nine hundred years of therapy talking like and alan on and just like so many other like things happening in my brain because I've been going through a depress ado moment in my life. But like, if you can't say to your friend, hey, like I love you, I want to see you, I really need to take care of myself right now, and like it genuinely has nothing to
do with you. But this is where I'm at. If you're if the person you're sending that to then internalizes it about being about them, you need to know that that's like not about you. It was just a moment where I was sorry to cut you off. No, I just mean that I think it's very healthy and important that all of us like advocate for our needs in this life. And you needed to have solo time. You need to take care of yourself and that's it, you know.
And I'm on this like care kick right now where I'm just in terms of thinking about it, I'm like, oh, wow, this is something that I maybe have taken for granted for a little bit that like people put care into like how they talk to me, or I should put in care about and how I talk to people. But like it really was you want to know where this
is coming from. I was like, I want to see Greta, to hang out with her and have fun with her and and and be you know, cute and chatty, but also I want to like put in care for her because she always puts it in care for me. You know, Like that's where it's coming from. That sounds that sounds so like soft and whatever, but that's yeah, it doesn't.
I also think like it's it's a weird pressure, and I think everyone could relate to this, like a pressure to resocialize and on top of being busy now that you know the pandemic is like you know, it feels like it's at a place where it's manageable to go out and be social and be busy. That it's this
pressure we put on ourselves. I think definitely in our generation because we are like a generation still of like intense fomo because of what goes on online and knowing that we've all had to sit around and do nothing for so many years now, um that it feels like we put a disappointment on ourselves if we feel like we haven't um done something correct like socially or like done the right thing by a friend when they've reached out because they might need um like you know, social
interaction or whatever. And it feels like I anyway can speak for myself. I've never like had to work to cut myself a break so much then like this year. Like, but it also feels really good when you start doing that, like when you see like someone's texted you instead of
just like not getting back to them. And because you're like getting stressed out about like you know, um, how you're gonna answer that question, or you don't really feel like socially interacting or you need me time, you know what I mean, I always a stressed out about that. Now it feels so much better to just be honest and be like, hey, I'm actually not up for it, and that's period, and that's all you have to say.
And it's it's freeing to somehow sometimes like just say the truth and vocalize what it is, which is like I actually need to be alone for a little while, you know, I think that. I mean this morning, I woke up, I'm in New York, and I woke up here and I was like, I really need to be alone. I was like, I need to have this day. I like, had such a lovely day, went to the Met, had when I had got coffee, got breakfast, went up to the mat, was in the met for hours, love walk
all the way through Central Park. I bought myself a new pair of shoes. I lived my whole life today. And I was like, I really just need to be alone, and like I need to be in a place where I remember who I am, because sometimes when I'm feeling over extended with friends, or feeling over extended with work, or feeling over extended in all these ways, even with like social media, like I am very quick to suddenly
feel like who am I? Like, I feel like I feel well, you know, It's like all of your thoughts. It's like are these my thoughts? Are they Matt thoughts? Are they Abe thoughts? Are they? Whose thoughts are these? And like I look at Instagram and I'm like, what the funk am I looking at? Like do I have
any funny ideas? Like too high? Think of anything? And then I'm like and then I just I'm like, God, like I need to be alone, and I need to be like away from I need to be away from culture in that sense, to reimmerse myself in culture in the broader sense, to be like oh my god, yeah, to zoom out, and to be like suck. Like this morning, I was at breakfast and I was eavesdropping on this couple. They were gamers, they were day drinking, they were having
a wild conversation. The one girl felt bad that Ariana Grande really sweetener a month before breaking up with Pete Davidson. I mean, I was just like fully immersed in this, like conversation meant nothing to me, but I was like, this is fucking heaven. I'm eating well done bacon, yeah, in having myself a goddamn coffee, Yes, I must have. And I was like, I'm going to enjoy this, then give up the train. Listen to my emotional edit James Radio, Okay, yes to jazz to me, Wow, I'm gonna enjoy my life.
Are you guys good eavesdroppers? Excellent? I'm not great. It really has to be like very It has to cut through a lot for me to like pick up on it and be like, what the funk are these people talking about? Yeah? Yeah, when I want to be, I am, but Granda, that doesn't surprise me at all that you're a good eavesdrop. Like my childhood, My like all my childhood was me just like listening and me like pretend
to be in conversation with someone fully listening to. Yeah, like when I tell you the amount of like boyfriends and dates that have gone on where it's really know nothing about them because every single time I was just like in another world. Now, thank God with me. But I'll be like I'll be talking to me and I'll be like sitting there like this, and I'm like, are
you hearing me? And I'm like, I was listening to the conversation that was happening next to us, Like I'm sorry, honey, if you're having a conversation and earshot at me and it's about anything good. I mean anything good. There's a lot of things that are good. In my mind. There's a lot of points of interest. Oh my god, so many points of interest. I'm listening. I'm I I envy that because it what a fun little skill. It's it's fun and it's also hell because like I cannot help myself.
Like if I hear someone on a phone call talking, I mean, it's it's bad. Like I literally I am like a dog. I like hearing like a whistle, Like the second I hear someone on like I think being like and my husband said to me, I'm like, what did he say? Girl? Well, this bit, this bitch, I say, she's not a bit, she's the gamer. The gamer was talking about how she wants to get her booster shot and all this stuff, and then they were like talking about weird conspiracy is about like that is worth that's
worth hearing. I actually I at that point I tune out, but keep going. Well, I so badly wanted to tune way the fucking I don't wanted to turn them like, I'm like I have Lucus and about the booster head ain't growing out of my fucking crack, bitch, because isn't it? Isn't it the worst where you hear someone say something that you know objectively is me the kind of person that I used to be? I think, like who couldn't
help themselves? Now I think I'm a little bit better, but I would be like, actually, it's like I'm not horrible, like actually that that that person full coward? Now? I mean I did did I talk about this already, Like I was, I was like doing some event and then I had to be in the trailer with like the driver. It was just a bus. It was a bus more than a trailer. And then he was like and this was back in this was July, and he goes to me, okay,
so are you thinking about getting the shot. I was like, uh yeah, I got it back in Marred and then he was like, okay, good for you. And I was like, what about you? And he was like, you know, I'm thinking about fires and Maderna, but I'm not doing Johnson and Johnson because you know, they put cancer in that one was like and I didn't have it in. It was just so shocking that I was like, oh I I I said something to the effective. I don't think
that's true. But I didn't want to like confront you know. Okay, But by the way, when you're in those situations, it is really hard to get It's hard the person was also driving a car and driving your bus slash trailer brailer and when you are like fully just locked in a conversation with that person's hole, so fu hard. That's very hard because what else are you gonna do? We don't hate them, you know, you don't want them to feel dumb or bad. You want to genuinely have a
productive conversation with us. I feel like this is this is the same way I feel about like calling out racists or home of It's like they are racists and homo hopes you can hurt you, and there are racists and homo folks who can't, and like and at the end of the day, like what was I gonna do? Be like, you're fucking stupid idiot, Like I know, like there's nothing, like I'm not going to see this person ever again, And I don't think I have it in me to like convince him that they don't put cancer
in the vaccine. You know, it's even harder though sometimes like that's a stranger and you can tap out, like when I recently this is this is rough, like because I'm not super close with a lot of my extensive family anymore, I actually have never really engaged them on anything that we disagree about, like socially, and I certainly haven't spoken to a lot of people during the pandemic.
But now with the vaccine, I actually found myself in a conversation with a relative, not anyone in my immediate family, but who I disagree with about the vaccine, and it was just it's actually so much harder than you think it's going to be because it ends up being a very emotional conversation because it's about so much more than just that. It's about like fundamentally disagreeing as people and
the most basic facts. And that makes you not recognize the person, you know what I mean, Like like when it's when it's someone that you just kind of casually have to have that interaction with, like it is what you're saying, like this person can either not hurt me or whatever, like I I can choose to engage or not engage. But then it's like you get to this weird place where you're like, I know this person is
not trying to hurt me or themselves. I've known this person their entire life, but fundamentally, on something like this, we just miss each other. And then it makes you feel kind of crazy, when did that happen? How did that happen? How are you as passionate about this as I am? And you imagine that it has to come down to information, but it's scary when that's false information, And then it's weird. It's it's just it's tough when
that information shapes your reality and like their reality. That's when it And then that's why it's emotional, is because you're like, oh, we don't live that, we're not in the same world. It's crazy. Yeah, I can feel like that. Oh my god, are we being so bummering right now? No,
it's true, by the way, it's true. This is something that like everyone deals with, Like I have, like Matt, like not members of my family that are my immediate family, but in my family not necessarily as it pertains to the vaccine as a couple of people that are huge pro lifers, and I for a very long time, whenever I'm around these said relatives of mine, I'm kind of like, wow, single issue pro life voters. Yeah, so like that to me,
I'm just and they're women. By the way, Um, it's probably like you know, tangentially Catholic, but it comes down to being. It also comes down to a been so much the catholique. It comes down to like fear and probably something that happened in their life that I don't know about. And you know, it's just like the onion can just keep on peeling and peeling and peeling and
peeling and peeling. But when I was like, I remember when I was like in high school, I was like, and then get out of talking, don you know, like stumping in my little duck Martin's. And then it's like you're actually confronted with being hit on with the relative. Immediately I'm like, and it's so nice to see you, Like, I'm like, wow, you're banana cake is amazing. Immediately it's hard. It's it's hard. I mean, it got so bad that actually I ended up saying, I think you're I think
what you think is ridiculous and left the room. I actually had to leave the room and then come back, and I did end up apologizing, which is weird because I at no point think that I said anything unreasonable. But when the other person gets so upset, you know, you know in your heart that they're not a bad person, it's confusing. You have to separate, step away, and I don't know, I think that's a part of disagreement that
we don't think about. Is it's like, I do think the conversation got better after I stepped away, apologize for making this person feel a certain way, and then we were able to really talk about what was going on. Because I also feel like most of the time, in disagreements with people close to you, stopping and asking why is it that you are really upset is actually something that people forget to do, like why are what is
making you upset? Right, I would just like to clarify I do not cower to these relatives, especially when it happened, but especially I don't want anybody to think that in the election or even election anyway, was like, you know, not having these serious conversations that we should be having.
But I think that when you're a teenager, especially like I for example, as a teenager felt very self righteous, I felt very strong, and I felt very like I can't fucking talk to anyone, and then likebviously, when you're sixteen,
that's not true. I think that it actually is kind of scary to confront an elder in many ways, but like now I've had these conversations with my extended family, the few people that have these beliefs as it pertains to pro life, but it's still very hard because it's like it's not so hard to have the conversation, it's hard to find the way in because it's like I genuinely don't know my way in with you, you seventy eight year old woman. I don't know how I'm going
to talk to you about this because I can't. I can bring up to you that I'm a woman. I can bring him to you that I need to have, you know, choice, control of my body, of my health, and beyond that, and it's just hard. It's like, I think what it comes down to is any misunderstanding. I'm gonna say any misunderstanding probably wrong. I shouldn't generalize this way, but any misunderstanding comes down to one or with people
assuming something incorrect. Yes, just assuming something wrong. That's all. I'll end it there, which I know I don't and I know it's like so general that it's meaningless, but it's like it's like any like any time I like am angry at someone or find myself in conflict, it usually means that either I am assuming something wrong about
someone else or they're assuming something wrong about me. And that's frustrating to me as as someone who's receiving that assumption, which is why I think it's important to actually break it down to just emotionally, and maybe this is like
my newfound emotional awareness that you were mentioning before. But I've found that it's actually quite effective to be like, I want to know why you feel the way that you feel, like, tell me what's upsetting you, so that we can talk about how I'm contributing to it, or how the things that you're hearing are making you feel this way. And then it did get I think it got better. Obviously no one made any big changes in
their vaccinations status after that. But obviously I don't like, I don't, I don't I don't engage in the conversation to fight. I engage in the conversation because I want people to get vaccinated and be healthy, and because I know it protects other people, and I don't want someone you know, I don't want this ship spread, so that literally it's tilled the last two years. But also the only way that you can even like remotely get changed
to start happening isn't just talking about it. So like I could think, oh, my conversations with my nearly eight year old relative are completely pointless, But then who knows, maybe we talk and then maybe next time I see her this coming Christmas, she'll say, I hear you. I don't know, you know, I think that, like it's you can't be defeatist about things that are issues that need
to fundamentally change in our culture and our society. So it's like, obviously you need to talk to your family about getting back to like hello, get the vaccine, and like, I don't care if you don't eventually get it. Someone needs to tell you they need to be getting it. But I warned people around me. I was like, I'm
bringing it up. I'm bringing it up. I was like, just so everyone's warned, like it's coming up, just sort of topics, which I you mentioned yourself as a sixteen year old being a righteous little demon, and um, I was on your podcast, your new podcasting your Superlatives, and I have found that, like it is actually quite therapeutic to think about yourself at that time, um in interesting ways, Like it's in thinking how far you've come, in thinking
the obstacles that you've overcome from then to now. Um, what made you want to do this podcast about this time and and why? Yeah, Well, Bowen, first of all, you need to be on my little I'm so happy too. I would be thrilled Bowen in high school is something I really wish I could have seen because I actually think we would have been I actually think we would
have had a um. We would have recognized each other. Yeah, but I don't think we would have been Neither of us would have been brave enough to like try to befriend the other. We couldn't have been met and Bowen, I don't think, but I think that. But I think that that was just the times we were in. That's that's what I would say. It would have been like culturalist to recognized culturalista sister, recognized sister. Do you think that either of you would have been friends with me
in high school? I think I would have been friends with you. It would have I would have taken I would have It would have taken a lot of convincing from me. I would have had to really persuade you. Oh. I would think you would have taken convincing from me for you to be my friend. I was deeply uncool, but I think I was, like, I don't know what made me do this podcast. Well, okay, I had High school for me was like so from bananas. It was hell.
It was such deep rooted trauma, so much of it, and like you know, I talked about it all the time in therapy, and I'm just like, you know, I'm like, I have one real friend that went to my proper high school who is a fellow n YU alum of yours, Patrick Foley Patrick. And you know, it's interesting when I talked to him about high school because he remembers so many things that, like I said and did that I
genuinely don't remember. Doesn't that yet breaks me specifically because Patrick and I are much closer now than we were in high school. But you were friends back then. We were friends. However, I was like very much like floater girls, stoner girl, like I will. I was kind of friends with every I was kind of like friends with everyone,
and I also like attached to no one. And I think I had a really big fear of like, you know, if these people actually get to know me, then they'll actually see that I'm not as cool as I'm like
giving off, you know. So I was like very much so the girl smoking cigarettes in the alley, being bad in class, but also being like loved and being funny and fun which is a hard person to be because in many ways, like you're excelling in certain aspects of the social life that is very fundamental and important to being an adolescent. But in other ways, I was like screaming for help and screaming for anyone to just like literally maybe attention, because I was just so void of
it in my family life. And yeah, I think that, like high school was just such a weirdly traumatic and impactful thing in my life, and the whole entire time, I was like, I cannot wait to be done with this fucking ship. I was like, I hate this place, I hate these people. This is bullshit. I will never need to know about geometry ever in my life. I will never need to know about ap fucking European history ever in my life. I will never need to tell
you about um like how cells split. Like literally, let me fucking go. Every day you're being asked about the Habsburgs and me. Every single day I am now being asked to sorry, no, it's every single day I am being asked to calculate hip hop news, soid okay. Every single day you were asked to really look at look at a graph and go, what's the pall, where's the inflection point? Can you do this? Log bit? I said, come on, X axis, y axis, mitochondria, Come on trigonometruth
and you say what year was versus I built? But I truly was just like I was just like I don't need this. I needed it right and now. And then now I'm kind of like, wow, I have stressed dreams about this, really yeah, and I'm like, I need to work through this. I need to talk through this.
And I think that something that has brought me comfort about this has been being able to talk through it and about it with my with people that I want to talk to, compare it, compare it, or just like you know, some people have comforable opposite high school experiences, is me? Matt had one that's completely opposite, is me? I mean when I talked to meet Harry, she had one that was so opposite of me. Like school, Mitra loved high school. She was great in class, she was
great in theater, she was great with sports. She was like she was like a triple high school threat. But yet it was still hard and like shitty and weird, you know what I mean. So I think that for me, the things that have made me move on from my like weird old time is being like, oh maybe this was just really weird for everyone. Maybe I don't actually need to be watching like these toxic nineties high school movies thinking that that is what my high school experience.
It's a fantasy, right, it's a fantasy, but like there is for some people it was, it is that and I actually, and you know, everyone you know, at least at least people I know, are always like, if you peached in high school, that sucks, blah blah blah blah. But I'm like, you know, if you peaked in high school, you are developmentally on a fully different path than like most people, and that is rare and like good for them.
But but I will just come out and say, if you like, if high school was easy for you, then like something is wrong with you now. I'm sorry, Yeah, something is fundamentally wrong. Yeah, something is darkly wrong with you now. And I'm just gonna say, I'm just gonna say, any reader, if you had an easy high school experience, I don't do not come near me. Yeah, you gotta look at yourself in the mirror, don't come near look at kidding. I'm kidding, but you know, like I know,
I agree, don't just agree with you. I think people struggled, Yes, I think the whole thing is like people did struggle. I think that, Like what's interesting about doing this podcast is like I talked to certain people. Matt Rogers is a perfect example, like, you know, really evolved through high school, became friends with the popular kids, became very popular, was desired by a bunch of people, ended up becoming prom king like all of these was an incredibly runner was like,
I don't know, just can I'll qualify this. It started out fucking dark, But this is what I was just about to say. I was just about to say, even though your story, even though the story was at the end, this like, okay, it all worked out for this person. By the way, you were burdened with so much pain. Number one being the fact that you were deeply closeted and dealing with your sexuality and the fact that like you know, you had girls stopping you at like running
camp and giving your anxiety. Well, I mean, here's the deal. I think that when you're in high school, it's like it is a weird thing because right, it's like you can either learn you can either try to adapt to your situation or you can be like fuck, this can't wait for this to be over. And I think actually it's a more evolved thing to be like funk this and can't wait for this to be over, because it actually doesn't really have that much to do at all with the rest of how your the course of your
life goes. But when you're there, it feels like the biggest thing in the world. So I genuinely felt like at the time because my world was so small. I maybe it was because I was from a suburban area, you know, like I just felt like I had to change into what was idealized at the time because there
was no there was nothing bigger, you know what I mean. Like, of course I had dreams of like, you know, moving away and like starting my career and like being successful at whatever, but it didn't it didn't feel real enough to me to not completely um try to fit into the very small box of what was going to be quote unquote popular. And then when I did win prom king at the end of it, I did feel like
I quote unquote one. Then the very harsh reality was I stepped foot in n y U and everyone just laughed at me because because they thought I was so fake and they thought I was so like uncultured, and it was it was was it a reset, like you felt like it was like, oh, it's freshman year of high school all over again. Like this is like you have to do you start at a new waterline. Well, you have to decide again, you have to decide, and you guys both know what this is, Like, who actually
am I going to be here? Well? I try to figure out who I am, which I've never done before, or will I actually done what I've done many times and try to adapt to whatever they need me to be to not to not uh make a make a wave here or like stand out in the wrong way. And ultimately that time I decided, let's just try to figure out who I am and actually do my thing, thank God. But you know, it's weird when you think people that were not challenged in high school, like you're saying, bowen,
are they still doing that? I feel like we're recording this on October eleven. We're recording this a little early. Um, it's National coming Out Day. I don't think too I don't put too much thought into I think it's a
wonderful thing that people get to think about. But like coming out as its own way of adapting and I am I like talking in like a weird circle like as a as a way to like be like, oh I am the circumstances are finally demanding it, or I'm comfortable to come out, like I think it was just I mean college as soon as you came out, man, I feel like that changed the course of everything in your life, of course, but like absolutely, I feel like, but when when I came out, it wasn't me saying like,
I'm coming out and this is who I am. Really, what it was was I'm coming out, which means I'm ready to start figuring out who I am based on this no longer being an obstacle in my life and in my um interior you know, so inter your life. Yeah, my self determination is not going to have to um deal with this thing in my life that is stopping me from from being myself, if that makes any sense.
But but I also think, like you know, I really think about what you just said, which is that, you know, if people had an easy in high school and never stopped having it easy, I just I have ultimately feel bad for them because they've never had to actually say
but who am I? And I think that's the cause of a lot of you know, not to get too general about this, but like you know, when someone has like a quarter life crisis or a midlife crisis, that's just because you're only then ready to walk the path of like, let me get real with myself, what do I actually want? Like? And so then I'm grateful to have gone through hard things early. I think you guys both know what you guys want out of life. I think you do too. I don't know that I do anymore. Well.
I think that this is again like the same. Sorry, this has become like a full like us like analyzing each other, but I do it's family. I think that when our identities get so seeped into something that is bigger than ourselves in many ways, you cannot see. And this is one of my least favorite terms to use, and I are saying to use and I hate that I'm using it. You can't see the forest through the trees. And I fucking hate it when people use that. And
someone used that, Why do you hate that? Because essentially it's just a it's just an expression for what we've been. Someone use that about a piece of my work that I have been pouring by my my heart and soul into and it stung me very badly, but I think that, like, I think that was so much of what we do. It's like so much. I think about Julio and he like posts on Instagram and he's like, here's products for all my consumers. It's like there is a mentality of
being like, yeah, like we are all product. And I think that it's really hard to be like I'm giving him, giving him, giving him, giving him giving I know that I'm supposed to be doing this and the people like it when I do that, and the people want to hear me say this, and the people think it's funny when I do that that it's very hard to like, we'd whack your way through your brain to be like, wait a second, what the funk do I like? Like? What do I think is funny? What do I think
is cool? What do I want to watch? What do I want to listen to? Am I listening to this because I'm actually interested in it? Or am I listening to this because I think it's gonna for some reason like give me social currency or make me more interesting or whatever. It's like this whole thing just like bogs you the funk down. And I think that when you become a very front facing person as you have entered. Over the course of you doing this podcast, your career
has taken a huge leap forward in many ways. It's hard for you to sit comfortably in yourself every night and be like, who is Bowen actually, and who is the Bowen that I think I need to be like giving a world because the world is like a vicious, fucking psycho plate. Yeah. So it's like it's hard, it's
but no, what you're seeing is exactly right. It's like it literally is the opposite of self definition when all of your interests are being or like or your identity is being fed back to you, reflected back to you by your quote unquote audience. Yeah, I'm having people tell me who I am and like on this mass scale, and I'm like, this is incomprehensible and I don't know
what to do with us. And it's actually crossing all the wires that I've like carefully laid out in my own brain over the course of like my adult life that I'm going, wait, I don't I can't tell, like, I can't tell how to like make sense of any
of this. It's weird, it's dark, it's but it's where I'm at Yeah, I also think that people are comfortable feeling that way and also um like contributing to that, like because there is something about high school like socially anyway that like feels like a version of what we have. And so maybe maybe we did have more problems with it than than we think, because I do think that we've elected to do something where ideally, if you're successful, people will talk about it, you know what I mean.
And so there is something about maybe maybe there is something about like people that then try to be an entertainment or try to be public. Um that there is some sort of wanting to read to high school. And I don't mean that to drag myself or anyone who tries to do this, but there's something about a personality type that pursues this career. That's all I'm saying. Of course, I'm just saying there's something specific to of doing this.
Um of I'm saying this is not me. This is like everybody who uses in stream because Instagram is ultimately a marketing It's a marketing platform, right, It's like that's not actually posting pictures of vacation, it's you like presenting yourself to the world. Unless you know your profile is private or locked, and then it's the algorithm telling you, well, this is what I think you like. And so I'm saying everyone deals with this in some way. It's like,
you know, the trick mirror. It's like the whole Ga Talentina thing. It's like we're being shown a reflection of ourselves that's fully fun house fully like not legible at all.
And I'm just like, I don't know what to do, and so whatever I've I've smoked a lot of weed, evidently us as readers know, um, but it's been helpful because last night I took an edible and I just like, late in bed it made myself a flaming hot salad which was flaming flaming hot ruffles, barbecue and flaming hot cheetoes, and I used chopsticks and I just like, because of that with my fingers don't get dirty, dirty fingers, don't
get dirty. That's how the Mookbung people do it. I learned that check on Search party set there was a costumer that always opened up her chips and eating with chopsticks, and I was like, holy ship, it's so chic. Actually, like we're watching TV just with chopsticks and the bullet chips, and I just there's no, there's no. The most elegant way to eat is with chops chopsticks, I agree, and to to cook to like if you're fucking like frying something in the pan, or you can flip over like
something you just try. When I see that egg twirl with the chopsticks on, when I see slow cooking eggs twirling in the gorgeous spiral with the chopsticks, I'm like, that's it. That's it. Chopsticks are cunts. Are count culture and numbers are cunt. You know. It's funny, Like study came over last night we ordered Thai food and if they didn't put any cutlery in the bag, did you
have to use the chopsticks? Well, I went over because I usually have a whole bunch of chopsticks just stored up because I love to use chopsticks, and all I had was forks. I've run out of all my chopsticks, so then we had to eat with forks, and I was so disappointed. It's not it's a different experience. I would also just like to give a shout out to my dear friend Sasha, her mother, who is an icon eats a banana every morning, slice up with chopsticks. It's
either chopsticks or a chief pick. And when I saw her interchangeably beginners, I was like, this bitch is not fucking around and that's pea. Chopsticks are stabbed through. No pick it up with abou eat it little slice of banana at a time. And this is an iconic Russian woman. This is like, we don't you know and for me the ultimate respect. Actually wait, I take it back. I just said that's fucking crazy, but it's actually no, she is making it a ritual, yes, because she wants to
eat slowly and she wants to eat consciously. That's her whole thing where she's like I don't just want to, you know, choke down the banana, you know. For me, honey, nowhere green fis we're putting up an down to bye okay or just one whole goal, you know? I bananason one bye you were you were missed the other night when why Halloween horror night and I went to my favorite person to hear a laugh her ass off on the theme park ride they're goofle Loop. Do you want
to give your reviews? Of the rides that we did, I need to hear them. Okay, here's the thing for all of the readers. I don't know if they are as big as you know, theme, if they're parkers, what is what do you call them? Femurs? Theme parkers? What do you what's the name for that? Their their champions champions. If you're an amazing warrior and you fight the battle
every time, you stunning warrior. Um, here's my review. I'm actually gonna open maths text because I will ultimately forget some of the names of the rides, So I'm going to just scroll to that, and here's what I'm gonna say. Okay, we went on for We went on four rides, four rides at Universal, We went on Harry Potter, Transformer's, Jurassic World, and Mommy and everyone out there needs to know that I as a child, we did not go to parks. We did not go to like that was not a
part of my culture. That was that No, Like I was I was watching Jane Fonda workout tapes and I was like yeah, and I was like smoking cigarettes at the age of eleven. Okay, it was like, not, We're not going to the park. You know what I mean, Like, no, I know if you were, my mom would have dropped me off. When I was twelve, I've been like, here's a cell phone, you call me when you're done. Like, no, we were not going. And the one time we did go, I was seven years old, went to Disney World and
I was just obsessed with collecting autographs. That was all I wanted to do. I did not I didn't want to go on the rides. I didn't want to do any of that. Ship didn't want to eat the food. I wanted the autographs. And I remember Chippendale's autograph was the best because they put their little teeth in. Yeah, they're little little teeth, Yeah, the little choppers and they can nature. They're like okay. It was like yeah. And then it was like they made the C and the
D look like little smile and faces. So it was kind of like little teeth like that. That's it looks like. It looks like it looks like imagine the capital C and D having testicles that and they probably made them not round, They probably made them square balls. They probably made them like this. But we're talking about has drawn anyway. So here's the thing I just wanted the autograph, so I rides are very new to my life. Matt introduced rides in my life, so you can't take them seriously
because your reaction. And then I'm like, I love it because I'm just like, this is wild, like visual reality. I'm like, this is crazy. And also just like I love people are obsessed with Harry Potter. I mean I never read this, but people love it. And who was like really excited what you thought of the Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey. Okay, Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey's gonna have to say set designed stunning, those candles,
those floating candles, that makes me wedding. That is a wedding venue, Okay. The paintings moving and real, unreal donning the whole It's gorgeous in there, Okay. It looks like a beautiful, scary home that I would love to go to, castle that I would love to go to a dinner party at. I mean, she's Hogwarts for a reason. That's why I call her a Hargard. I mean, Hogwarts is gorgeous. The story. I think her money is a flop at the end of the day, but I also her money
is the number one. Well, we left the ride and I literally turned to Greta and I was like, her money is so good at magic, Like she is so good, she's without a doubt, the best. But you know what's annoying about her money is that it's like she needs to know she's the best, and then she needs to just like know what In Ron sucks, she's completely dating a flop. It's like she walks around all confident and knows her magic and then she goes home to Ron.
I'm like, honey, from no, she's not dating Ron in real life. Like Ron sucks. Ron suck can fuck the house down. One thing is Liken's not sex. You read one book and you're like, this guy is not good. Ron is not good at sex. He can't even finger, he cannot wear now. And also he probably is one of those weirdos that's like I'm gonna need you to
shower first fuck that, you know what I mean? Like I think he's like making out and then he's like before we go, need for the right and I'm gonna need you to shower, and like Harry probably could it sucks, Harry dick you the fun down. And even if Harry, Like you know, he might be small in body, but in in energy. It's not the size of the prize, it's the motion it is. So basically, your review of Harry Potter and the for Bridging Journey is um for
your review is a great set deck. You love the candles. Hermione is a flop and shouldn't be fucking ron But you did think the dementors were scary. Love the dementors, the dementor Sleigh there's the one dement that really gets like within. I love the dementors. Identify with them. I understand they don't you know. They are just spooky and their second life out of people and there they look Rick Owens, Okay, they're in Like yeah it is Rick. It's really culture n two Rick, it's Alex McQueen. What
he what not? What he designed? But what here? What do yes? Exactly? Wait? Okay, So would you give it the gold, silver or bronze medal? I would, honestly I could give it a gold just to see the fashion and the culture that is Hogwarts and de Mentors. Okay, So, Greta, what is your review of Jurassic World The ride Camp Camp Camp Camp, Jurassic World is Jastic World is balance, Yes, Jurassic World. For me, if I were to be like, what is a theme park? That is the Jurassic World ride.
It is clunky set design that I love, it's water, it's unmatronics, amatronics, it's Bryce Dallas Howard, don't forget d W. My love as a one or purest. Yeah, show was never the same once they left. No, not when Henry left. But Beat is so hot in the and the inline sort of footage like he looks so, he looks really good. Yeah, can we just briefly talk about Beat for one second? He's one hundred and forty three episodes of Law and Order SPU. I mean the other day I looked up
how many Mariska has done. It's like she's done, Like yeah, but crazy. But just like Blanket being in one hundred and forty three episodes of anything, I'm like what and like fucking like Wanta Tony when he was like in his twenties or like late twenties, early thirties, and like Mr Robot, he's someone who could eat got Yes, he deserves he deserves the egot, he already has the He is like the hardest one to get in. I agree
he is the hardest one to get it. Egot, I think g is the easiest one to get because you can just yeah, hello, yes, we know how we're getting our G me too, or be in a big broad By show. But I think you guys can get a g for this because you know eventually they are going to put in podcasts. They have to the Grammy. Yeah, we should, Bowen. We should win a Grammy for this podcast. We should. I'm nominating Last Culture for Grammys. You know,
the podcast has received critical acclaim. We should. We should win a Grammy for the top two moments in Culture episodes. If we don't win an award for something soon, I'm freaking out. I'm already nominating you guys, and I'm going to buy you each a little present because that's you win awards for greta Um Transformers. I want to silver or bronze medal. I give Jurassic gold because I think the Jurassic needs I think that if you are someone that's like I just want to have this experience. I
wanted to be playful. I don't want to take itself too seriously. I wanted to be a little wet and wild, I want there's something for everyone. And also, here's the one thing about Jurassic World. You gotta go during the day because at night they don't have good enough night lighting. And Universal famously not a park that's open at night.
I can forget him for that. However, Universal, you've got enough point that you can give me a little set deck that when you know you're going to be open late for the Halloween Spectacular, you got to light up the jungle in there because I can't see the you know, the pterodactyl, I can't see the Bronchiosaurus. I can't see what's happening here. And this is the thing that I wanted to point out is that Greta, I don't think you went. You went on the original Jurassic Park ride.
They kind of they kind of refurbished that one and the animatronics and that aged really terribly. When don't you say, Matt, but give us some credit. The Indominus Rex was carrying down when when Mother comes out, I was like, and then they do the drop, and you were guiged for the drop, drop the drop. And this is why Jurassic
World is the ride is camp. This is why she said it's camp because when mother comes out, you might as well be saying pretended to indominut rex next, go to Universal the indominant text to Sammy, it is exactly okay. So but it still wins the gold medal. Talk about Transformers. You know, Transformers used to take the gold for me, and that Transformers is taking this over. And let's tell you why. I'll tell you three D. You're not a
fan of the three D well. I think that we rely a little bit too much on the tricks of VR and not enough on the tricks of you figuring out some robotics ship to blow my mind, you know what I mean. I think that we're relying a lot on the screen, a lot of what we can do. And it was very in vogue back in the day though, when you say, Matt, yes, science, science is amazing, and that's what VR is a science science. So the science and Transformers you love, but it wins the silver metal
because we just felt too many screens. I thought too many screens. I felt could we be doing this in the comfort of my own home? I thought, could we be? You know, I can put on a VR headset and be having sex with a human like I could probably be having this of course berience. You know when when star Scream is about to fucking kill you and then flies away as a plant. That is a outlocking gag. No,
it's incredible. Also another gag too, is truly when you are plummeting down the skyscrapers, like the finale that is the death draw of Transformers. Don't forget the part where you get you crashed through a skyscraper window and then you go through the office the office space crushed the cubicles, mama.
I also like when you get swallowed up by that machine and come through its back when you see all the gears, Yes, and I like that, it's really fabulous and the big robot that sucks you up, like yeah, bumblebees hot Bube has sexual energy. But okay, so finally, the Revenge of the Mummy, Revenge of the Money platinum, platinum, I mean Revenge of the Mummy is like when Beyonce dropped the Beyonce Visual album. You know, it's it's really
like that. It's like I think hyper Sexual being the Partition video for the first time where you're like, holy shit, I did not even know that the is this happening? Be a thing. So Mommy does this very amazing thing, which is it's taking sort of cultural nods from all of the other rides. It's taking the camp at Jurassic Park has it taking we are it's not VR really, but it's taking some visuals that we have from a
month from Transformers. It's taking some story that we had it Harry Potter, where it's giving us, like Harry Potter is very plot driven, you know what I mean. It's like a plot ride. So it's kind of Harry Potter's fans service. It doesn't matter if you've seen the movies.
You're gonna fuck, You're gonna love it. And also it's giving us something unexpected and I just think that, like I I don't want to spoil it, but there's a drop in that where you are in but darkness and you don't know, and then you're going forward, you going back. I mean, oh my god, and you give me starting the bugs, the bugs, the bugs. So it wins the platinum for you, so we know which one you liked the best. And then finally my answer to you is
were you frightened by any of the haunted houses? No? Because I have gone to a lot of terrifying haunted houses in New York City. And I love to think about things. Never i'm getting a little scared. I love think about it. Practically. I like to think to myself, Okay, this is universal. If this this really fucks me up, I'm gonna sue, you know what I mean. And they're too big to want to do that, So they're like, Okay,
we can't have anyone suing us. We don't have anyone being so scared that they like get a heart attack. They can't actually like be fucking with people enough that we really like because it's too big of a company. They're tafinite, way too liable. All the stuff I have gone to haunted houses here in New York City that have that are that should be you shut down that like are I mean? I was telling Matt this story. I went to one that was in an office building
one time. I remember, I remember this this one. I didn't go to it. I heard about it, and you know what it is. It's because it looks like it was all decorated from Party City. And you walk into these places and be like, Okay, these people have no budget, so they're they're relying on performance. You know what I mean. And I think the thing at Universal is they have so much buzzet budget. They're like, look, we are going to put you into the set of Us. You're going
to put you into Texas Chainsaw. You are in the set where here it's like you're in a building, and you're in a building in midtown. In the building in midtown, it was at black lights in and they're silly string girl crazy on the set. So there was a I was waiting to get in to this scary, scary, haunted house and there was a clown own on the street entertaining us. And it was like it was like an old rusty clown okay, and he was as clown. I mean,
he looked like Krusty, the clown of Jason. Okay. He was like had all the gags, he had the hand buzzer, he had the flower with water, and then he was like, you know, and I hate the hand buzzer, Honey, don't touch with the hand buzzer. I hate the hand buzzer. I will punch you in the packing face if you hand buzz my ass. I swear to god, I hate the hand buzzer. I think it's an attack you're basically it's like a mini ta Yeah. It's one of the worst attacks. It's the hand buzzer is actually one of
the worst. Time you want to send a current through my body? How dare you? If you hand me, I'll never trust you know. He was doing all this ship to me and I was there on a date to me and the date and then he finally pulled out like a balloon to make me a balloon animal. And he started blowing into the balloon and then his eyeball, his left eyeball, flew out onto the ground and started
rolling around. And then he was like my eye, my eye, and you as the person is like, oh my god, I need to get this guy's on the ball because it's rolling all over the side wall. Yes, and then he bent down. He picks it up. He literally is like like breathes on it, polishes it off with a sicking rag, and puss the thing back in his head. And I was just like, they're gonna kill me in there. I was like, I'm gonna be worn I'm gonna be worn out of this place like a pair of cooking
leather leggings from the row. I am literally going to be yew. The I was exactly lu lu rue And then did the actual house end of being scarier than this clown. It was just hell. It was like it was like kids that were just wanting to fuck with
you so much and like not leave you alone. I do remember there was this one room though, where like all of the walls were kind of like stretch spandex e like workout fabric, and it was a whole like Neon situation, and the people in the walls would just like come out and like grab you in this spandex. It was like you could be marked with red on your head. Was no touch. Yeah, oh my god. I don't really want to be taught, that's for sure. But when we were walking around the streets, but when have
you been to Halloween Horror. I've never been to Halloween Horn. You would a gag. But the thing is I think that they would recognize you when they bigger point to
try to try to really terrorize you. But the thing is, you, um, really they come up to you really far, and a lot of them are holding like fake axes and fake chainsaws and fake knives, and they would have come up and like literally swipe in your face and swing in your face, and I was like, literally one time, if Mitra had even put her head out like a foot
like she her head would have gotten hit. And I was just like, this is crazy and they have to be trained for that, like obviously, and like you hear about zero point zero zero times of them connecting with people and obviously doesn't happen. They know what they're doing. But it's like you're swinging an axe at my head, you know what I hated. Mo was like, Mo was like, I hate the chainsaws and I was like, yeah, I do too, because it's such an aggressive sound. I was like, yeah,
it's really scary. I was like, but why do you hate them? And she was like, it just takes one crazy person to decide to put the chain on. And I was like, I don't know about that. It just takes one crazy person decides put the chain on and I and then I was like, wait, cow, it's crazy. But like I do appreciate all of the performers, all the actor it's a production. I did miss though, and I did miss some of the girls that were on stilts a few years ago. I missed them not being there.
This being on stilts is very scary. They only had two people on stilts this year. They were more on stilts the first time we went. And the stilts. You're scared of the people on the stilts. It's just crazy, that terrifying because they're towering over you. And then like and they're so scary and they can like jump like they're sill there so good on the stilts, and they
will you like the stilt. The stilts will stock you for a really long time, like you're walking in the like, oh, these people are working with me, and then you'll look up. The next thing you know, you have like the wicker man on stilts. Next. La is incredible. It's amazing that you get talent like that. And La only in La. You go to Disney World, everyone's in l A. It's because l A attracts people from all over the world.
It's called La La Land. Yes it is. Watch it and it's an amazing movie because it shows people that are very different, all coming to like people like I'm a Stone, people like Ryan Gosling, very different, all coming to one city, one place to see their Hollywood dream come true and dance act perform, creating and cutting traffic well simultaneously making it art, and I said relatable, queen. And you know what, it's that relatability in the movie La La Land that made me say, wow, I see
my elf. These people and when they do, you know, make it and you after all their ups and downs, you think that was an amazing story. And I think that when I was in Universal Studios Hollywood Horror Nights, I thought, all these people came here for a reason, their dream. Come on, Bitch, City of Stars, Vibes, City of Angels. We are going to move into the segment known as I Don't Think So Honey, which is a
sixty second segment. Really we have one of the best in the biz here, my god, a legend um and actually, my my I Don't Think So Honey is based on something that Greta and I thought we were going to do but did not end up doing the other day. Wait, you are going to do one and then I'm going to do one. That is how it works. Yes, that's true. Okay, because I never want this to end. I just want to hang out with me when you're ins I r L the podcast. It's actually a really culture number one
hundred and five. Come on, I'm ready. This is Matt Rogers, I don't think so, honey. As time starts now, I don't think so, honey. Of the New James Bond moving No Time to Die being two hours and forty five minutes long, I'm sorry. We got into the car to go. We were all excited to get see the New James Bond. We found it. How long it was? Greta and I and we turned our ass around and went home and we watched Drew Paus trackers. You can sad, Mama, I cannot believe that the movie is this long, and the
year of our Lord? What have we what? It's bad for the movie theaters, first of all, because they can only show so many. It's bad for the people sitting there. It's like, what do you ask people to do? If you want to pay attention every second to the narrative, They're not going to take a bathroom break. Every review of this movie is like, what a great tribute to
Daniel Kratt, like the bitches day. I have to be honest with you, the bitch is very much alive, and she is about to oversaturate us again and knives out two through nine, So please spare me with a Daniel Craig r I P and Memorium give me a fifteen minute Preus Bronson movie where bomb Ka Jansen kills a man with her legs. I don't think so, honey, And that's woman. How does it feel to spit in the face of Sir Daniel Craig? Is he now night is? Well? First? All I want to say, he could spit in my
open mouth. Hio. I think that's why it's so long, is because it is like a sendop. And I think he really, he really did something new with Bond. He did, he did, he brooded, and he deserved, he deserved something. He deserves. Whatever he deserved could have been given to him in two hours and even five minutes. I'm just saying, look, two hours and forty three minutes. Literally, we were saying, if it was even a half hour shorter, I think, like,
of psychically we could have gotten used to it. But it was something a two hours and twenty minutes of previews. I was like, that's a commitment. I don't forgot what you guys have not going to see it. I'm just saying, don't you love the drama of this movie being delayed for basically a year and eight months and then you know they're still promoting it, and like, isn't that incredible? And then why why shouldn't it be two hours and forty minutes? This movie is drama, it's it's Bond, it's camp.
You know, like, just just just let it be, bitch, you know what, you're ashamed of both. You're ashamed of both because I actually you're very stupid, bitch. And I read a lot of reviews for this movie in the car Greta and I really wrestled with this, and I said, interviews and see what it says, and every review was like this movie is fine, but wow Daniel Craig. And I'm like, okay, then I'll go home and watch fucking
something else. With that. That was the bad pitch where it was like everything's predictable, you know exactly what happen. This could have been and cut off by thirty minutes. But like, we love Daniel Craig and we love what Daniel Craig has done with Bonds. Like you know how many times I've tributed Daniel Craig in my life for better, for in so many words, many times I could have at tribute. Maybe I might have attribute to Daniel Craig tonight if the Google search does its thing. Oh look,
here's the thing about me. I check off. Here's the thing about me. I'm a gay man that loves to tug at my penis to completion. And when I can be visually aided by a man looking like Daniel Craig, I am not above saying that that's not you know, gonna go down tonight. I'm dragging off to Daniel Craig. Tonight, I'm tributing him, and it happen in about seven or eight minutes, not two hours and forty three, because after that I'm gonna watch Dancing with the Stars, Mike Drop.
There is real potential here for new slang tributing. Today, I paid tribute to Chris. I a tributed Wait, actually not today, but who did you pay tribute today? I just I just browsed on my only fans and I just like pay tribute to like you know whatever you know caught my eye in the scroll. I love do you pay tribute? Bon and Matt, both of you, because when I pay tribute to people, it's very quickly. My tribute last about thirty second seconds and then I get bored.
And then I need to continue paying tribute to have a lot of tributes, and it's just it's just to get out of the way. I'm like, I haven't done in a while. Sometimes I'll see a picture and I'll just know I have to go pay tribute. Yeah, I pay tribute all the time though, like I I love to pay tribute. I pay tribute to It's isn't it crazy? I'm sorry, this is just for for people who have penises um and ball Dickson balls. It's crazy that come comes out of there. I think that's crazy all the time.
I mean, just white white goo. It's crazy. Everyone that watches it happen and like it's like high school. Yeah, I like that. What's that Chloe Bailey song, Lord have Mercy? What's that? Yeah? Whenever it happens, when I see it coming out, it's like slow. But every single time with I'm like, Lord have mercy. What's the most you guys have paid tribute in a day? It's different for you. Oh my god. When I was when I was a teenager,
there were a couple of nights. There were a couple of nights, And I would love to explore this more on the podcast The recomp nants when I would just be so bored and not be able to fall asleep that it would be like sex in one night. I've done six or seven. It's crazy. Sundays were huge for
me growing up. It was like a day when I would like, do it right when I still have to come when I wake up pretty much every single day, but like when when when you first wake up about an hour later, then you actually get out of bed, go back two or three more times during the day, and then of course before you go to bed. I also have to come before I go to bed too. I check off all the time. I think the most
attributed in a day has been like four times. That's very spaced out because you know, I'm blast in the sauce, you know what I'm saying, and yourself, would you consider yourself horned up? I would, but I would generally speaking, I'm a little weak um. But but I think that sometimes the world can get you down and make you enough men beau, I know I think that. Yeah. I think the most for me is like four times. And it was when I was in high school and I
was like, it's going to be creamed corn for dinner? Mother, Mother, what are you horned up. I'm generally horned up. I will reveal that I did take my first got a rhea antibiotic shot today because a sexual partner very ethically let me know. That's nice. That's nice. It's nice when you have someone that lets you know, because I have had many, and by many, I mean three situations where
the person has but not let me know. And one time someone tried to like gaslate me into thinking it was me fuck and I was like, fucking sucks, yeah, but then a part of me was like, it wasn't me. I mean, there's no way to know, and so like, honestly, all my interactions about it lately, which they've been helpful, have been very like, hey, did you not tested positive for this? And I'm like, thank you so much, doctor, take care of it, and usually it was accurate information.
It's also I love being on and I wish this for everyone, like just to be in the place where you don't have to feel crazy about that happening if it don't. It's like if you're getting std I. I believe it's like the politically correct way to say it, because the word diseases like charge um um. But you know, like it's just better to just be like, this is literally something that happens when you are sexually active, and it's actually okay, and there's no need to feel shame.
And it's truly the luck of the damn draw. It's Russian Roulette. Every time I make love Um, bone yanging ready to do I don't think so, I'm ready. Well that makes me feel excited. Everyone in America this is bone yangs. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now, I don't think so, honey. Traditional candle wicks. Why why you gotta leave me with that fucking dick mushroom at the end of every burn? And I I have to spend what twelve dollars on a wick trimmer. I gotta
keep a wicked trimmer around the house. Now, fuck you for making buy an extra thing. I got sick of doing it with the scissors and then you know, washing them and wiping them off. So now I have a fucking fucked up looking scissor on my nightstand, and I bought an extra one of fairy candels I keep at work. The way for it is wooden wicks. They burn lovely and they don't leave. They don't They don't. They don't look fucked up after you use them for more than
twenty seconds. Okay, let's do wood wicks. It's probably better for the environment. I'm assuming I'm just gonna go out on the limb and say that they're better for the environment. So yeah, Gretta T. Will be happy to hear other Gretta T. And uh the wicks wicks, you're you're, you're, you're busted. I'm on you, and that's one minute. I recently I appreciate this. I recently have had the experience where a traditional wick, I'm lighting it, the candles still
full and it won't light. So these wicks are trifling,
These wicks are trifling away. Well, I I do have a wick trimmer myself, and I do find that it isn't necessary evil, it's unfortunate to get to the point where you're like, because so long, was like, oh, I'll just use the scisser the scissor, but then the candle gets so deep I think you're like, I need this god Like, Actually, I have a candle it right now, and look you can see the wick is absolutely Look at the tree of life, it looks like a fucking
like you know, Kingdom tree, the animal Kingdom tree. It looks like a pseudo Wido the Pokemon from a Pokemon heads out there anyway. That's a gorgeous candle. This is Dr Tiffany Moon. Oh so this so do you know about Dr Dr Tiffany Moon's candles. She's an anesthusiologist. So they're all named after different medications. This one is Hello candles. It's an active ingredient calmness indications for use. You just ran into your ex with their cute news significant other
while looking completely disheveled. Your kids have said Mommy, no less than a hundred times today, just took your ninety minutes to drive home from work, and then warnings, do not use if you love traffic. Always like looking polished and perfect. Have never typed an angry email and then deleted it a few months later when you like, come on, she's just like your comedy, Dr Moon. I don't know is she writing the copy of the jokes herself. She's got a good joke room m m. And who do
we know anyone? Do we know anyone who's in that? I don't know anyone who is in the Doctor Tiffany Moon candle in the Dr Tiffany Moon Candle Room please step forward. Yeah, we'll give you ninety minutes on this podcast. And and I mean, any if you, if you have a writer's assistant position open and the doctor Tiffany Moon Candle Room, I will put us and I will be the writer's assistant. I'll order launch for everybody. Yes, all of it. We're all eating Manchino forms every day. I'm
sure on that budget. Alright, so now it's time bowen. Thank you for that. I think it was especially on a culture podcast. Thank you you guys. This is this is the thing I now have. Of course, like a bunch of ones that I want to do, but I just think I need to do the one that you need. You got to follow your heart. It cannot guard you wrong. It's it's a few things. I mean, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna go for it. You should just pop off and whatever it is. If you want to redefine
the art form right now, just talk fast. This is greta Titleman's I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Being in the bathroom and having any other pump in there be anything but fucking soap. Okay, don't give me hand lotion. Don't give me purel He kisses me right on off. When I moisten my hands and I put my hand into that little pumper, and what is it? Purell? Bitch? It needs to be so also, don't give me hand lotion. Who is the psychopath going
into the bathroom today? Not only washed thoroughly dry and then pump the hand motion? No one, honey, okay. And we don't want those people around because they're cuckoo and they scare me. And here's this thing. If you're putting the two bottles next to each other, I don't care if it is Leilabo herself smelling of gorgeous burg moot. I do not need me getting confused, because that's what I feel like a dick, because then I become wasteful, because then what do I do? Hands are wet but
with a lotion accidentally, oh my god, lotion. Now need to wipe lotion off and re fucking stuff business. And what did I do? I just wasted gorgeous, gorgeous lotion. So here's what I mean to say in your bathroom soap only, I don't think so, honey, anything but soap. And that's one minute. It's incredible that there's nothing worse than going to a pump. It's slotion. You go fuck, and then you gotta clean it off with either a paper towel or water, and then you still feel oily.
It's crazy. Excuse me, why also are we being so confused? I think it's fine to have sanitizer and hand lotion set bridge from the away. But when you when you put when you put the hand lotion in the spot where intuitively the soap is, then you're gonna waste a lot of lotion. Also, if you want to give me purell less, you put it at the door, the door, at the door, at the door, get the hand lotion away from the sink, from the running water. We don't
want to use that. No, no, And it's just it's confusing, and it's cruel because then I'd become wasteful. And then think about this. If you didn't want to waste the lotion, maybe you put the lotion, you realize it's lotion, do that and then you leave and don't wash your hands. I bet a lot of people make that decision. And absolutely, do you want to know something that fucked up. That happened to me today. And this happens in different settings, but for me it was, um, I went to this
like gym. I want to go work out in this place, and then they have like small showers, it's like an independent training spot. And then I went to the showers to read pumps no labels. Obviously, the opaque one, I was like, that's conditioner. But then the two clear gel ones. I was like, am I gonna have to put these in my hand and smell to see what which one shampoo and which one's body body washed? And then I think, wait, does my nose know the difference between can you decipher? No?
And I was like, I feel like a fucking idiot now, And I might slather shampoo on my body and body washing my hair, and I'll feel even crazier. And then you'll look crazy too, because body wash they can supposed to go in the hair. It's just not and they can just people can tell. Literally. People are also very cruel, cruel, yes, and they know that when you leave the gym, they're going to say, there's that fucking flop whose nose couldn't
decipher between body wash and shampoo? Yes, And then I think, is this who I am? I don't know who I am, but all I know about myself is that I confuse body washing shampoo. And you can't see the forest through the trees and I can't. And you know what's also we've also talked about on this podcast, and it's actually you've been I don't think so, honey. I think more than once is the three in one body washed shampoo,
conditioner get lost. I want to know that this product can stand alone as shampoo, as conditioner, as body washed. Sell it in the dorms, because that's the only people who are buying them is the college. Don't even sell it in the dorms. Sell it at fucking ri I for when you're going camping and when you're literally showering with a little bottle of water. If I send my child to college and they feel that they need to use a three in one, I will have personally done
a bad job as a parent. You're right, I will treat it. I will have taught them badly. If you on a presidential debate, people would have applauded if the question was about like environmental issues, and you literally gave that exact Tyrande that you just did. It would have ended like and then afterwards Joy Reid would have said, I thought graditied, that was good tonight, and I thought she really got her point Across Chris Hayes would be like,
what Greta did was really stay on message. And then Chris Christie, even Chris Christie would be like, if I'm if I'm watching her at home, I'm sending her thirty dollars, you should run, you should run. I would do it just for the outfits. Oh you think you put like a cute debate look together where yeah, very snatched debate look. And then I do like, you know, nostalgic like fashion hat tips to like like like a pill box hats like a fascinator. And then when about hair character in
the debate, we need that. I would also do hat tips to like Abraham Lincoln maybe and we're like sort of slout cheese. Oh my god, if you did like Abraham Lincoln look to a presidential debreech if a female, If if there's a female or any nominee of any gender who just dresses up like a B. Lincot, it makes it like glam You're you're winning, You're winning it could be like a Tom Brown kind of creation. God, are you kidding me? And Tom would just nail it.
You know, Tom would nail it. He just knows. He's Oh my god. Well listen, I think this has been an episode that has gone deep. It's also been um, It's touched on the deep elements of culture, the deep elements of the human history, personal history. The only family it's family episode could give. And also it was the frivolous it was. It was both both the deep exploration and also the creature comforts, you know, And that's why
this podcast has received critically well. The podcast has received critical acclaim and I think a Grammy yeah, the podcast has now become a claim Yeah yeah, um, Greta. We absolutely love having you. We're very excited to produce step Mom. I mean, like, do you want to you want to tease? Do you want to tease anything about it before before we absolutely go Well. I think look, step Mom is
someone who's very near and dear to my heart. And you know, if you've always wondered what would it be like to have a woman in my life tell me that I smell like a rotten cabbage cunt um, what would it be like to have a woman degrade me and tell me that I was smelling like pork brine. You're going to love her if you want to kind of just that short little episodes just like thirty minutes. I've heard every episode of it. I've heard all four
episodes that's thirty minutes or left. And you know what, I do think she gives very good advice. You know, if you just want to be living life, spending coin that's not yours, it's much easier to do, you know. I don't know, But I don't know because she and I are very different lines, different entities, different people. But she's she's very fun. That's that's dropping in two in two we end every episode with the song Gretta, thank you so much for coming, God, thank you so much
for having me. It's really an honor. The last time this podcast was like I think like five years ago so and we like really did not know each other as well as we do now, obviously, but like we really have grown just exponentially closer. Well might say the seed was planted and now the roots have taken hold, have taken hold. Familia's Familia. We end every episode with the song it feels like a big night guy that's gonna breakfast and strangers. Yeah, we're happy, second us only
having the Bastia. It's tonight, tonight, me forget about the heartbreaks this time. To hear more of that, we have to wait until November Night Skame to ethically stream a new Taylor Swift bread Ye Bife