"In Your Face, My Love!" (w/ Andy Beckerman & Naomi Ekperigin)

done it, that actively do it still really Yeah. I won't name names, but there are there are like you know famed, you know, storied couple, like we know du the duhos that have gone through a couple of therapies together. Yes, I have a feeling how I know how our therapy session would play. It would be Bowen, calmly expressing how oftentimes I talk over him and take up all the air in the room, and then it will be fifty to fifty two minutes of me crying loudly about how

that's not true in a minute session. In a minute session. Yes, and the the I almost called it a moderator. The therapist Chris would say in that Carrie Fisher tone math, we have to stop, and we wouldn't be asked back. We wouldn't be asked back. I'm sorry, Martha. Can I apologize to you about what I'm annoying? No, you're not. The reewers of this podcast say she's annoying that review. Can you read it aloud? I think someone they took it down. They did because I think someone saw your

story and they flagged it. So you you stick your fucking fans on this poor person. Here, you have this poor person who said the following, and I don't know if I'll ever forget it go quote it. Matt Rogers is so annoying. What what else? He's a bad singer who gives me Frankie Grande level attention seeking level. I hate you. But also he dropped in Bowen Yang and all the guests are excellent, excellent with an excellent with an ax C E L L A N T. So

there you go. I mean, and if that person is listening, we don't mean to mock your spelling, but because you know what, spelling is subjective. It's actually a rule of culture number three. Spelling is subjective. I don't know my words, but I do know my heart, and that's a frequent thing I say on this podcast. So maybe me and this review are more connected than we possibly could ever imagine.

So sorry, I mean, see, now you're putting the emotional labor on me to forgive you, and I don't know if I'm ready, So just give me my own time. So how do we communicate? How do we go on? How do we go on? You? I think we only speak through UM, HP and H p J. I don't want to. I want to talk to them. No, Matt and I and HP A is so cute. He's sitting over there. That's a little cutie. Um. I think we

are doing just great. We've really you know, we've had some rocky some rocky patches in our friendship and we've we've we've weathered every storm and I think we've been through our lowest moments. I would how would it get worse? Um, if you fucked my mom? I don't feel that. I don't feel that that's the way my mom and my chemistry your your mom and my chemistry is. You've met her once. I met her once, and I feel like the commistry was very positive. I just didn't feel sexual

to me. Don't How dare you rule that out. I'm just saying, I know what I like. I think at this point in my life, I think I like boys mowing. Okay, I think it's time. You know who I do like. Beautiful guests are beautiful guests. This therapy, I mean, this is climbing, climbing, climbing the charts, baby, honey, forget about climbing. Perched up on top. It's on the perch, honey, honey, it's on a redwood It's not a redwood tree. It's

not a redwood tree. Perched there's no branches though, not even a one, not not a branch, but famously redwood trees, they have no branches through the culture, numbwood trees have no branches. I think they do. I don't know. I think we've we've debunked it, we've debunked well. These are two fantastic, fantastic people, stunning comedians. Um, and they are hosting, uh this this new fantastic podcast, Couples Therapy on how

Stuff Works. Um. We just did their live show so last night truly one of the most positive performing experiences they've had. I had a really fun time with you on age, such a fun time. I'm not being hyperbolic. This was really so fun and just effortless. And it's it's, it's it's it's a credit to uh how they build up the audience like they how they sort of set the tone in the room for the audience and the concept of the show and um, just everything. Oh, it's

just so well paced. It wasn't weighed down by you know, hosting bits or anything like that. It was just that was so it was so effort it was so some of these hosts, let me tell you, they weigh the show down now. And I'm saying, we wait, sometimes we do that, and we're also we're all susceptible. But you know what, these two, for your fucking self, are just so charming on stage. So I cannot have you in this gravelly state for the rest of the Sorry, don't

saddle the episode with this. No, no, I can't wait to bring these these these guests and because I cannot deal with for the rest of the episode online today, Oh my god, oh my god. But you must check out their live show. The next one is an Alley at the Virgil Saturday, Saturday, October six, a day after a Star is Born comes out. Yes, absolutely, and that is it's before stars born and after those are the demarcations. Um, please welcome into your ears. Andy beckgra Man and Naomi

at Pagan Kangan Queen. Guys, guys so much. First of all, all, uh, if I can, yeah, I mean I we do actual couples there. Yeah, really great. I would like to point out Bowen, you walk out into a into a trap. You said, oh my god, thank you. You said, let me just point this to you said, you said, let the man finish? What manness? What could you do to ruin this relationship? You said, fuck my mother, and then he said I would never and then you said, what

you don't find her attractive? It was crazy, a trap and emotional bear trap up in his heart. Well, and this is the thing, you know, and that can be so hard when you have this relationship and bits are what give you life, but also what can be so unnerving, right, you want to commit to a bit, but then we're all these delicate creatures, heney, because we're just crazy. Only I'm only just now realizing my trauma. I'm only just not realizing that I've been through something traumatic. I'm coming

here on both side. But I'm gonna talk about you guys, you will get to hear Bone and Matt's hilarious live set on our podcast Couples Therapy, making the oh you know it is. I will say I do want to call back to something a little spoiler alert, you know. But when Matt they did talk on stage about you know, the sliding scale, what to find, what to do, And I'm telling you we can hook you up with a

therapist for fifty dollars or under serious, under right now. Yes, there was a point at which I was seeing someone in New York for dollars a session and she had a degree. And so if it's possible for me to find somebody, and you know the way you feel about finding the right person, I got all sorts of triggers. You gotta be white, but not too white. You got to use the right language. You can't be you can't be black. And in my mother's age group, that's gonna

be triggering. I'm gonna need too much approval. I can't be honest, you can't be a man, you know what I mean. So I get it like needing to find that perfect person. But I get this because your relationship is much like our relationship. You I'm I'm a bow and I'm in the bone. Yeah. Definitely, you guys together, that's how you're gonna find. Yeah. Bits can either be the melted cheese and your grilled cheese sandwich, or they

can be the rocks in Virginia Wolf's pocket another. I thought I was gonna go into it like there's gonna be another component of grilled cheese or the rocks in your suicide. I okay, So how as a couple, how are you a bit driven couple? Would you say? Andy's much more into bits and I'm not really here for bits? Okay? That way, I'm the Naomi, you know. Yeah, but you're the one who's just pulling them out, and I don't

want them in my life. I'm constantly on you got honey, I get off the clock and I'm off the clock. I come home, a take off my pants and card. Take card in. It says five o'clock. There's a whistle. Do you see what? It's not accurate and I wasn't ready. I feel like everyone, you know, we don't have an old school nine eighties punch cards. You're correct, windstones, ask whistle, you're correct. But we didn't necessarily need to go to

a flintstones place. I was already discussing my disrobing routine, and that you took it to a flint and that is he's always taken it to a flintstones place. I listen, there's at least one flint stones ref each app that flintstones is a part of culture. And we have we talked about the flintstones and not talked about Hannah Barbara. And we've not even touched on Hannah Barbara. Where's all the Mutley talk? Can Mutley? Half the time? I don't know the referend I And that's me with Bowen. So

that is also that whenever with you. I grew up without cable, and I'm always like, what the are you talking? Always using a big word. Oh God, I feel like we're playing risk. There's so many changes, lilliances. This is crazy. It's crazy that only two of us are going to walk out of this room. That's the most crazy thing about it. It's gonna be And I think, oh, do you think I would die? Now we're on the same side.

I don't know you would trust me. Your death would be accidental and by your own hand friendly fire would be what's my death? Oh? No, you obviously wouldn't know your own let oh yeah, sorry, your own lack of strength like Andy would go in not realizing. No, you do have strength, but in various arenas, and if you don't go into the right arena, something could go down. You have to really make sure that you're in the right arena. Actually, real of culture number, you can really

make sure you're in the right arena. Now, I this is interesting. This is a this is We've had a couple of you know, duo guests um to Guesters episodes, but this is an interesting prefer it, I prefer they're interesting. This is the first one where the permutations of the alliance is the agreements is the game. I think we can say right now that the game is a foot. Is this gonna be a murder on the Orient Express? Only good? Yes, absolutely, the title of that title of

that murder on this Orient Express? Okay, oh that was seven Borrient Express. Boy, because it and there and there it is, and there's the bed, there's the and there's the punt. You took it to a bit place. You took it to a flintstone place. There's flint stone multi vitamin bit. It's a living can I tell you something about therapist? And I did share this on on this

on stage. I am scared. I don't know what kind of therapist I would want because if it's a man and he's gay, I would think I would want that because I want them to understand, like you know, maybe some hang ups I have in certain ways. But I would sexualize my therapist. But what if he was old? And that's as that makes you an agrest see but stop getting in my head. I have to I can't win in this town. Are you afraid? Are you afraid of changing as a person? Been fraid of changes? Yes,

very much so I'm very scared to change. Actually, are you my nervous? That could be if you tell you we are you namely are you doing couples and individual? I have to find a new person since we moved to l A. Because I was skyping. We actually we skype with our couple's therapist still in New York because he's just that good. Give him up he is that we could and Andy, are you are you trying to have the same set up where it's couples an individual? I gotta find a new my my therapist here in

New York you know. When we moved to l A, I was like, thank you, we're done, and she's great. She was great, But I need someone now who's gonna like push me a little more like that was she listened. She was like, are you sure you wanna? Do you want to change your relationship with your parents or you want to just let it be this? I see de tount until they to the stage, I see do we have a suggestion where I seeunt no honey, a drag

queen Andrew. Okay, when I said you could come do this podcast with me, I told you to read a have you what a great game? Have you guys ever done this game? Improv? Team name or queen? That's really good. Actually, that's very good. In your face I love in your face my love. And that's the phrase that we use, and I love it is being written down as I think Emma is writing it down. We have we have a hot producer, Emma hp and of course h p

A is sitting over there in the corner. He said he's gonna stay for the first twenty minutes, sorry bitch. So we couldn't be more entertaining for you. He needed to be compelled, He needed to be compelled walking at now. Don't look, he's he's watching Succession on his phone. Everything everyone is really rot tonight, and we're delicate and we are we are and that's okay. And this is what

therapy is. It's about coming and being real with your rawness because honestly, right, I love what was really great about your set, and we don't have to keep harping on it, but it is the real, the ten year history and what we're constantly telling comics. When we asked him to come, It's like, if you're a comic, right, and so you have the ear for what's funny or when to stop or when to move on, that's fine.

But if you have two people with a shared history, you don't have to The humor is gonna come, right, like if you're just like honest with it, and you guys bring so much to the table, especially you know obviously you're so comfortable working together. But then it's just I didn't know you guys went until you said, I didn't know you guys went back to N y U days. Yeah, I did not know that. It Also I was like, oh my god, a decade. For a decade, you guys

were sumptious. You're a twelve course meal of comedy and emotions. We could have kept Toney know and I was also I was like I just let them go, but then we were like, we have to go, but it was like I need to know more. It was the perfect length of show. It was truly ninety minutes. Max. I agree with well, I don't think it's Honey often goes two hours. But but but that's a special like little it's a special event. And you're getting so many people, right,

but this like anything normal? No one is that funny for that long? Yes, nothing is nothing, nothing is I totally agree. But you're getting Adam Sandler film. Why don't have to throw it out of Sandler? I like happy Gilmour and like we love Adam the other there's no reason. That's like using carrot Top as a who were like the icons of comedy that So it's like, I guess that that did movie after there was obviously Adam Sandler. I guess what you could say Ben Stiller that he

was a little after them. But yes, and then there was another one not one woman terrible who did movie after movie after movie terrible. I guess now we have Schumer. Well, now we have Melissa mccarthyis movie and move. She's got a lot move Oscar bus for what forgive Me? She is in a biopic that's coming out. Apparently it's a dramatic turn from her. They're saying, even in a crowded field this year, that Melissa McCarthy is a shoe in for Best Actress nomination alongside are our favorite al Gaga

ms Gaga. No wait, what's in the biopick? Who she portraying? Uh? Lee, Oh yeah, Coca, not exactly. Yes, a woman she would do. She was, she was a forger. Oh yes, and you know Brandon Scott Jones is in that movie, right, Yes, guy, he's in the trailer as well. Yes, yes, Oh we saw the trailer for this. It looks great. And I remember hearing about the film because she had Oscar buzz for it. And then when I saw the trailer, I was like, oh my god, there's b s Is that

what he was hanging out with Rebel Wilson. Know he's hanging out the Rebilson because he shot a movie with her that I'm in where I play his boyfriend only at the very end. And he sent me he texted me a photo of our scene and I look discuss it looks so bad and see, this is what's crazy, and this is why I need therapy is because Bowen has now centered the conversation around around himself and I

was trying to celebrate a friend. You know what I mean, that's you're making fun of me now, making fun of saying my truth. And this therapy because now because now look at it, Naomi and Andy, they're just like, what do we do? I can talk about the film? Well, no, no. I was like, I'm like, Andy's ready because he's a judge with a gabble. He's like, I'll tell you who's right. I was feeling like when you seeing like whenever I see myself in something, I'm like, oh, I'm gross. Yes,

that that's that. That's just how I am, because you know, we're we all have everyone has. It's very common. Everyone has that thing where it's I can't hear your voice or you can't. I have a very intense process in the morning of like looking at myself in the mirror, being like you can go out there into the world. Oh. He takes longer to get ready than I do. And I think it's it's the mental game. Yeah, I think it's yeah, because I'm always like, what are you doing

in there? And once you explained to me it was a mental psyching yourself up, I said, go ahead, but honestly, that's so much work though, and you just let that go. That's that was the big thing in my therapy and the first fight. Yeah, what does that mean? Because it's a it's a metaphor, it's a physical metaphor. But what does that mean mentally or emotional? Mentally? This is what it means. It means a thought, a thought crosses your mind.

And it's not about not feeling. It's not about just rejecting it so knee drically, but it's just about acknowledging it, holding it, letting it take up a take up space, and then just letting it back out. Right, But what does that none of the process they're physically if there was a physical if it was like defecating, and I could understand, sure, I'm not I know I used a technical term. I'm not. I'm over simplifying it a little bit.

But like in my practice, it's just been like, oh, like I can just for a little bit longer not think about it until I have to think about it again, and and inevitably you will think about whatever the thing is again. But how do you excrete that feeling. It's not about excreening, it's not about it's not about expelling. It's just about just just taking it, letting it back, letting it back out into the wild, and then it will it will come back at some point, and then

then you'll do the same thing. Well, this is why therapy. That is the part of therapy that makes me crazy, because I kept feeling like I am giving you money to fix me and you are not fixing me. I don't feel ship you're not paying us by the way, I'm no. That's why that it's great, right, the beauty of a podcast is here for this circular. The reason why I really yeah, the reason why I've never really sat down and actually went and now I think that is going to change. I feel like I must go.

Um is because I've always been pretty good at knowing why I feel the way I feel, or at least that's what I've always told myself. And I've always been pretty good at um, you know, bouncing back, you know, I mean, like I'm like even now like, this is not a good time for me. I get weird seasonal depression in August and September. I don't know why going back to school feeling it. It's maybe that it's like in your brain from it could be that, but like I because I know that this, this is this is

what happens to me. Now, I'm like, well, that's what happens to me. Now, I'll get better, but I'd rather not feel that every year, right for two months a time? Right? Right? I mean, well, what you're saying about comments? For instance, I you know, since we've started podcasting, you know, I can't read the comments. I've never read the comments, but I've got we got one and I've actually gotten a

little bit better at it. And this is where I'm like, well, maybe I'm slightly more fixed than I thought I was, right because in the day to day doesn't feel right. But we got a comment where it was like, literally, person said, my new goal in life is to never hear these hosts voices again. It's they get so creative with their negative but then they're they're not but then it's like a stupid hack thing. But it's also like, you know, I guess what it is the comments. There

are plenty of things I don't like. Many people are dead to me, most people are garbage. But I have never felt compelled to say that, to go in a public forum and create an account, yes, to post a nasty comment, And so I think that's what's like, Wow, the level of hatred you must feel, that's what is shocking to me, right, that's what shakes me to my core. Right,

so then how are you more fixed to that? Because you don't You don't have to do that because now so now I was like, okay, that is one human. That person's not well as opposed to being like, is there a way to surgically change my voice? Right? Yea? Was Barack Obama? Like I found out that Barack started listening to the podcast and was like, I need to tell Matt Rodgers that he is annoying him. Did you do that just to do your impression? Yeah? I just

wanted to check. But this is okay, But Naomi's hear it for next year? Oh my god. They only's touching on something that I have found very useful. Is the quickest way to like not care is to take pity. And you're just like this person who left that I hate you comment like couldn't. Here's what I did. I went and looked at two Do Queens and I was like, okay, here's like one of the most popular podcasts. Let's look at their com and it was similarly filled with hatred.

And I was like, oh, okay, hatred born of itself, like not not not in reference to anything particularly, just monsters, just monsters full of poison who need to get the poison out otherwise they'll just like die in their parents basement is whatever it is, y, yeah, it's basement. It's like, no, they could be like a very you know, functioning, successful person living above ground who just has hate in their hearts.

It was just just like a scorpion that's backed up and it's just and it's it's and when I say take pity, it's different from like like trying to like right, you don't make them bad? Oh, like what you must have a lot happening that this is or not enough happening, not enough happen. This is across the bear that I'm your problem, if I'm your biggest problems. Can I say one thing, though I do think there are trolls for us, I don't want to go into the whole thing, but

there are I believe that there are. I believe that there are trolls specifically, yeah, who aren't happy with us, who are trolling you in what way because of because of being an interracial relationships what you're saying, Listen, let's just say. Let's just say there are trolls without going

that are specifically targeting us. There are there are people who might like not like us, and that's fine, but there are also there's a subset that are specifically where it's like, oh, that's that's, that's this, and we feel that it's this. Yeah yeah, you're like, okay, well cool, yeah yeah, but it's not. It's you're not trying to like dunk on them or anything. You're just like, oh, you're this collective, You're just a rat king of disgusting,

a rat king of disgusting thought. That's why I'm so proud of Bowen. He has that, he had that just in him. He said he could describe a girls person as a rat. A group of people, Wow, a group of people are this that king of disgusting thought? I mean, it's it's artistry, it's eloquence, it's beautiful, psychically tether there's psychic tethers. What what is Okay, here's we're gonna, we're gonna, We're gonna make this beautiful right now. What is the

most beautiful thing? Oh my god, I would say the most beautiful thing about Andy is his optimism and work ethic combined. You are someone who keeps at it. I am someone who literally is like, take me now, literally the tiniest, tiniest failure, Take me now. I can't be bothered. And I don't and I don't think it is like this like white male cockiness. Give it to me. It's a true like I enjoy this work and that joy means good. It will bear fruit and that will see

you through the rest of time. It's beautiful, and he is Andy Beckerman is one of the hardest working people. Yes, yes, that's true. Now you must say, I will I'm a diet speechless, so thank you. That's very nice. Like he's for the listener, he is like covering himself with a hoodie because he feels very bald. Totally totally well. This is a couple's therapy, so open up all into the max. There's a lot about Naomi. I'm trying to like, pick one one specific thing to say it emotional. I'm gonna cry.

I mean, the thing that I always say is Naomi's freedom with her emotions, and that's the thing I most admire about her, and so I think it is the most beautiful thing that you are even when I lay in bed all day because I'm depressed. I mean, I

find freedom I feel for you in those moments. But I just mean your ability to as someone who who was us for most of his life, um to have it is a joy to have you in my life as a I mean, as for you in your entire three dimensionality, but also as this as this person who is almost like uh, you know, leading me through the hades of emotions, leading me through the nine levels. Another poetic moment, poetic, A truly poetic moment, you, guys, I

totally truly hows a beautiful moment to witness? So happy? I asked that question, will you officiate? Afiate? You really drawn out and then will tell me afterwards that I talked to him much. What if we had what if we had Naomi a string of officiants that would each do a different part of the ceremony. That would be good because it would be the different parts of us. Yeah, that's great, we really want to do. I don't want it to be like like fucking quirky. I'm not coming

at you with a dactionell moment. I do want to Yes, you are not You are not a new girl. You are an old girl. Hello, I'm an old girl. That's my show. That's me living with three men. Be like, get out my house. I want, like, I do want a wedding that is very reflective of our personalities and

not the cutter fund. But what I found, as you know, we looked at the more personal stuff is even when it looks d y, I, it's actually more expensive than you just went to a hotel because those places they do waitings for a living, they got a whole setup. You just pick. It's like you want them. You want the plates to be buff, tope or baige, you know what I mean, Like they have a whole fucking family. Yeah, that feels custom is custom, and you pay for that exactly.

There's a place along the island that we looked at that was actually pretty affordable, um Fox Hollow. So I don't mean yeah, yeah, I forget what We're not gonna say that bad about that. Yeah, So it was nice. It was affordable, and there was like part of the package was like people come in, got some food like when you were coming to the ceremony, so if you were hungry you could get through the ceremony. At the end,

you got warm pretzels as you were leaving. And they're like all these different things, but it was just very like cookie cutter, like we couldn't do much in between. Like I'm all for like feeding people all the time, but they were like during the receiving line, we'll do this. And I was like, we're not doing a receiving we don't want to receiving line. We don't want the first dance. We don't want like a daddy daughter dance or whatever it is. And I was like, but they like that's

the package, right, like you get that thing. And it was like and I was like, oh, I want to do something a little different. But then I was like, okay, you want to go like bite chairs and rent caterers and like every little bitten piece. And it's been definitely like a thing that we're like we've been engaged five years and that yes, like and it's under completely understandable. Yeah, you want it to be the culmination of the loving judgment. But I'm saying, like the wedding is just planning. It

is truly crazy but unnecessary. Yes, but there's no way around it because literally, you call a venue in the moment you say wedding, it's this, this and this. You say party, it's another thing. But if you show up that the moment they see you in address attacking on them, there's no way to really like make that lie. It's an industry and it's going to be an industry wherever you go. Yeah, so it's just like all the end of time. Maybe we should ask her agents to call

on our behalf. Then they'll have to get ten percent of everyone's gifts. Absolutely, I mean you have had their manager like organized their bachelorrette parties really as I could never I mean, but it can be done, right. I've been to I would say I've been to many weddings, but the thing is like there was one that I think was like so perfect, and it was my cousin Jesse's wedding. It was outside and it was like not religious, and it was like they she walked down the aisle

to um somewhere over the rainbow version. Yes, it was so beautiful and I think some people might think that's like basic, but it was gorge Um, it was so gorge and like look so good and like it was like just great, I got to walk my grandmother down the like it was just so it was so good. And then like, honestly, what I love is you have the wedding and then like it's like a hundred yards away the party space. Yes it's not it's not multipurpose,

but it's not far. It's on site. Yes, well, I mean I wanted to be a one stop shop definitely, and just like I also wanted to be that type of wedding. I don't want a wedding where I don't know half the people there. It's like, can you please just like, well, that was the problem. We're not gonna go into that because that's what our own podcast is for, but don't bring it to flint Stones. It was like, oh, it's always but no, I mean you guys, you know

you have a magical friendship dynamic for the ages. It's a fun dynamic. And I tweeted today in the light of all this Burton earning news and I are both birth Burton, Earning and Statler and Maldar, we contain multitudes. O the right, the creator of the right, the one who the person who conceived of them, has said in an interview recently that he only thought of them as being a couple and as a gay man. He was like, yeah,

they were I wrote them as a couple. But then Sesame Workshop, like the larger institution behind Sesame Streets, that put out a statement said no, as we've always said, they are best friends, they are not gay. Um. While they do identify as male and share many qualities with human beings, they remain puppets and do not possess sexual orientation, which is crazy. Every puppet has so like, every puppet on that show has characteristics, Like one of them is like,

you know what. I talked about this in the last episode. But it's just crazy too to pretendet all these brimming with eros and or gone and all that kind of energy. Again with the Greek poetry, I mean all that. Here's a question though, UM. Now, personally the idea of representation in children's um cartoons or in children's programming is appealing, But on the other hand, I don't like when adults go back and like rhet coan sexuality into children. We

were talking about j. K Rowling in the last episode. Yeah, she's how she's been kind of doing that a little bit. I mean, if it's there, well with j. K rown like she should have just written it in there, like that's her own cowardice. One might say that she did right. Yeah, but there's nothing like literally you cannot sexually. There's some nothing I hate more than when someone says their child they're toddler, their baby is flair king or is a

lady killers like anything for a baby. You're like, what it's like, don't say that, because what you're doing is you're attaching sexuality to my kids exactly. Or even parents do it to their own kids, and it's just like to that, you know. But the same person who does that, we'll then have a problem with a with a puppet being possibly get it's like you already told me your baby, fucking why do you gonna put that out there? And it gives a kid a complex a little bit of

I mean, of course it does. I can say that it does because it's like it attaches the fact that your looks are something that you should always be conscious because that's what they always say. Like Kelly Clarkson was recently quoted in an interview as saying, like I never tell my daughter you look beautiful, you look beautiful, beautiful. I say, you're so smart, you're so you're so funny, you're so this because it's important to instill, you know.

I'm sure there's like this is like a new wave parenting with lots of parents raising kids now know this. But it's like this is the first time I was woken up to it. But growing up, you know, handsome, like it, like it's cute, attracted. You know that it gets attached to you at such an early age and when you're forming, you look in the mirror and then you become conscious of that as one of the things that you're like good at, right, and then you know,

I think it happens with women. Well, I think definitely your values. I don't know about you. I mean, Andrew, I have seen photos you were a darling boy. Um I've seen no, but but no, when you were younger, like I was not like I was not cute or that picture. But that's not how I was talked about, you know, Like I had like, you know, my cousin SUPs like, oh, she's cute, she's pretty, she's this. That

was never the way I was characterized. So even you know now as an adult, it's not where I kind of put my stock, or it was also not just not where I put my stock, but I just assumed the upper it was true, right, which is exactly what I'm saying, which is as kids complex either way, and there's nothing you can really do about it because people are still going to be who they are. And that's something you say when you and you're trying to be nice,

but it's just that thing. It's just like, no matter what, you're gonna be sucked up somehow stimula, you're gonna respond to it somehow. I'm just saying that, Yeah, it's it's when you say that to someone and they're a child, and I have a childlike understanding of these things. It's a symptom of a sick culture that's going down the too. And you know what, some babies be fucking baby, I almost fucking from a young toddler. Sure, who wasn't not

people the thing? Yeah, who didn't put their consent was not a concept who didn't put their wiener into I rubbed it on so many strange I used to suck the ship out of my pillows and that's a fact. Pillars. Pillows are great. I used to put something I had a relationship with one of my pills for three years? What are those longer than I was with her? And

he has a question. There there were these little it's like constructor legos, but they were like these tubes that like, uh, what are those mugs that like get pushed down with like accordion. It's like these little collapsable things. You could put your penis in them if you were a kid, I would say I sucked it, know exactly? Also, was this the purpose? You said you could put yours in them if you were a kid. And one of the things on the box that it was like but it

was like is not included? You can fuck this. It was teaching you how to how to use a condom almost, but it was like a construction thing. Not really, but I'm saying, well, an adult penis wouldn't fit in them. Too big. Have you ever seen an adult penis? Naomi? They're huge. You're just You're just asked me this rhetorically, like he's telling you an example of ay, bet you could as a young toddler trial, or that I did or that he did. I didn't want to put you

on blast. I wanted that to be your story to tell. We're very open on this podcast. We say what we fucked, Yes, but I wouldn't say that I fucked it. I would say that it was just I was exploring. It depends on what is is. Bill Clinton would say, great questions, Oh god, what it was was utterly meaning less, that

that was like national news. Okay, I think we we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna adapt the question that we always ask on this podcast, but to both of you as a collective unit, and then we might and then I think Bowen saying he's done with the conversation about sucking an animate objects, and honestly I respect it. Thank you, thank you. Now. Okay, So I want to ask what was the culture that made both of you say cultures?

For me? But this is to ask, was there was there something that you guys experienced culturally together early on or even like later on recently that's sort of set things off in a new direction. Does that make sense? What was the culture that, like you said, culture was for us as a couple as like, like, was there a movie that you guys saw together like or was Loving getting the nomination for the kind of award? That's

not true? Why what is this loving? The movie loving about the interactional couple and the well, sometimes the bits are close to real and it's very hard to tell, and sometimes the bits have ambiguous syntax. Because you said it was loving as in the verb loving and said the title, no, it is, it is ignore him. I live in a world of ambiguity, guys. We know that. What I think it's important for us to come on here as a couple is to let the listeners know

anything as possible. And you never know where you'll find love and connection, you know, the most unlikely places. One time, Indian I were on the street earlier and we kissed. This old black lady looked at as she goes, that's beautiful. You never know where you're fine love No, And I was like, you know, do you guys have a hotline? Tell her call in yes and she'll be like I remember seeing them. I talked about it for days. She

was like, you never know. I was like, and I was like, oh my god, we are a post racial America. That was back when people thought that was the thing, but when culture was for us. I mean, there were definitely things. For instance, the moment we got together where I was like, oh, we have more in common than we think. The first time I went to his house, I saw that he had the entire series of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel on DVD, and I was like, you and I could be friends. I loved Buffy. I

was like so into it and never finished Angel. So literally the first thing I did when I got to his house at dat, I was like, can I borrow your DVD? What you know is like I'm gonna see you again and exactly. And so that was definitely the beginning, like a cultural touchstone of like, oh, we share this interest from our past. From my point of view from being the weirdo in the relationship, it was strangers with Candy.

It was the fact that we both like strangers with Candy and that we both bonded over loving Amy Saidaris, That's true. That was definitely one that we were like, Okay, that is a thing. When you're talking to someone knew, it's so exciting to find out that you have like whether it's like something from your past or a strong interest together, because it truly it gives you something just

to talk about. Definitely, and especially I think something I think you're right with Strangers with Candy because not only was it a long time ago, like but I remember like not a lot of people watched it. It was honestly, probably wasn't until I got into comedy that I started to meet people watch that show. It wasn't until college for me to people be like, oh my god. Like they'd be like, I spell the TV and I'd be like, where what's that from? And then they'd be like Strangers

with Candy and I was like, oh my god. And Jenny Jaffee was the first thing that brought that to me was the first YEA, such a wacky genius. Oh my god, Brills. Those are great answers. And it's interesting that that's sort of refracted from either person that it's like, oh, I thought it was Buffy. I thought it was Strangers

than the Candy. But there's also it like melds into each other, like it flows into and this in the way that like I'm like, yes, I see what I get it, and yes, it was for me too, especially like the Buffy Musical, which Naomi was in in college as a stage version of the buff Oh my god, what do you feed it? Very like that? It was like doing like that, like we're giving me like characterized

beautiful with character with emotion contours, lady day. Um that episode I watched recently um under like a very intimate setting with someone else, because he was like, because I'm starting to get into I'm trying to get into buffet and then something and then and he and he loves it, and I was like, yeah, we'll start watching with you.

And then we were both just very wine drunk, and then he could he put on the musical episodes like You're gonna love us, and it's like, yeah, great, and then like halfway through was like, wow, I can't believe John Sweden wrote all the music. I also think you cannot watch the musical episode in Isolation really does lead up, you know, especially because that's what Josh is into, Honey, he's into taking it. But it's what is it? What

is it? Like season four or five, six, six, so exactly you came in on late where you're like who are they? And I got to tear through a hundred

episodes that it's that episode. They always talk about the silent episode and then and hush and then the body, which is the one where is dead that season from the Mother, her Mother, her Mother, her Mother, which I just read like a whole piece on that episode the other day about how it was like one of the most critically acclaimed episodes of television of that the nineties was a great time for telegration, and I guess that's

why they keep trying to make it happen again. That's there's like sad though, it's like these reboots are hurt in my heart. Yeah, it's like too. But I'm also like, if you go reboot reboots on my black nineties show, a reboot of Amen, where's my reboots? Family Matters, Living Single? If Moesia came back, if that would be the slay of Oh my god, who would be the new Moesia Brandy? Oh so Brandy is doing now? Okay, Okay, I can see that. I can say she's looking right. You can

never do like your Scotts. You can never do like a fresh Prince reboot without well well that can't you want to call it like what was their last name? What about with mean? What if you had it with me with me? He goes, yeah, So it's three and they played Brothers Titans and one guy is always getting tossed out the jazz Jeff, Oh my god, I do you think the ad lib guy gets paid as much

as a dancer in a SCO band? But back then they who do you think gets paid more a the dancer in a SCO band or an ad guy in a rap group? I'm gonna says, they're like swimming and jewels, honestly, And I think like the guy in a SKA band who just like pick it up, doesn't know what they say, and he just like dances or stops around. I feel like he's always like a friend who came on the tour, do you know what I mean? Like he's just there for a hot band. He's not getting any kind of faith, man,

you know what? No what I'm remembering now. I loved hanging out with Mr Cooper, Yes, because I was a t g I F fan. Yeah? Do you because not having Table regular seventh that was like Boy Meets World? Yes, the clueless TV show, the clueless TV show You Are Younger than Me? Yes, the Clueless TV show that was past I was hunting. I was coming up on a Perfect Stranger's Family Matters by step. I think you at

one point was family ties in there. I don't know, Yes, that was like, oh no, all of those I would watch all in your act you reference right or Strong and Angel Forget Hurt. That, yes, as as like a early interracial couple that you saw in pop culture the nineties, honestly was ahead of that. Do you think that that actually put that in your mind as a possibility? That and going to school white boys. It was a combination about because obviously I was surrounded by these whites um

and these boys weren't checking from me. And then I got to watch this TV show where it was happening and she had like natural hair. I feel like she was there something you to me. And I feel like she was also visibly thirty seven older, but I was like, oh, you're like I feel like they were maybe twenty three and she might have been thirty, but it was like I could just tell not that she was old, but like I was like, you're like a mature aman, And

I was very into it. Did they address that on the show or it was it kind of just like, see that's thing I don't think I ever really remember them doing like a special episode if I'm black, right right, right, right right, Which is that like is that like magical to pretend to pretend that they've never had that conversation,

I think is like bizarre. I mean that And the thing there was something, um, there was a movie that came out a few years ago and Carrie Washington and Patrick Wilson, and it was it was it was they had been married for like four or five years. And the reason why I couldn't get into the movie is because they had a neighbor. They were like a married couple in suburbia, and they had a neighbor who like

took issue with the fact that they were interracial. And then the movie was pretending like it was the first

time they had had the conversation. I'm like, that's insane, right right, if that was the first time they had noticed pushed back right, And it was like, you know, it was like a it was a playwright who had written the movie, and the scenes were very kind of stagy, and I was like, yeah, maybe as a play where like your sense of just your your disbelief is suspended because it's like you want to watch these scenes play out, but like cinematically it didn't work. Also, like, honey, we

saw crash, you know. I mean, I'm not even willing to see these scenes play out, you know. Um that's like we we dealt with that stuff early on. Well, my favorite though, I don't find a silver lining okay, because I noticed black men only like give side I or say something under their breath, like if me and you're walking, if I'm looking good, Okay, if I'm looking good, they got a problem with my as is regular they

like taker, you know what I mean. And so now I'm like, I'm like, oh, if he mad, that means my face is beat. That's my silver the barometer. Oh my god, yeah, if you Oh, if they're mad, that must mean I'm looking guy that you might be wanting. It's a rule of culture number. If they're mad, you're beat. That's whenever I step out of the house and people are angry at me, I'm like, I must look stunning. I must be a sleigh right now, I must be the ten at a tend beauty. Absolutely, was there a wait?

Is this is this a fair question to ask? In reverse with Andy? Like was there? No? It was right? I mean like was there like any sort of like mental model for you and in that same way or no, like no, because I was brought up like my parents never they when I was younger, they're like, here's some words that you don't say because they hurt people's feelings. And then here's like bad words that you don't say

in front of the Rabbi, like funk or whatever. And so I never I I in fact, they only have to be like it's okay to acknowledge that there are differences between like between like black people, there are like cultures, cultural differences, and it's been it's really like because in my mind every everyone is the same. And it's really I don't mean that in a like like I'm color blind, like but like my parents raised me away like treat

everyone the same and there are no differences that blatantly false. Yeah, that thing of growing up and it's like we don't see color that you can't that's not that's not a good sentence. But it wasn't It wasn't that right. The intention is good though, the intention is good, but like when you kind of get into like below the surface of the sentence, right, you're like, oh, I think I've

been denying your personhood. Yes. And it's interesting because like you do see that generation, like my parents generation for example, where it's like, you know, like when I came out as gay, like the people will be like, you know, everyone's the same to me, and they say all these things. I have gay friends, I have black friends, I have this, and it's all these things that they truly think are helpful. And it's just like, wow, that's antiquated, you know what

I mean. It's also not acknowledging my gayness. That's what it is. Like, Okay, you're like it's all the same. Well, no, it's not actually community. That's a different experience. But you're trying to buy like you're trying to help me by saying I'm just like everyone else. Yeah. But here's the thing though. The problem with it is that, like whatever is the the locus of culture for a group is

it's not monolithic. Blackness isn't monolithic. Gainness isn't monolithic. So there are some things that are that you could call gay culture, right, but that doesn't mean every that doesn't mean every game man does those things right. It's so stop the flintstones bullshit. But like that's where it gets.

That's that's where this stuff is tricky, because you want to acknowledge that there are differences between groups, but once you not, once you go to that second level, then you have to acknowledge that there are differences between individuals. And just because there you know as a group there may be a tendency for gay men too, like Paul's

drag race whatever it is right there. The thing I was thinking when we were at a friend's house and I was the only like hetma hetero hetero mail and uh, we played quip lash and I bombed, oh you told me this and there are a lot a lot of the punchlines had to do with like miss Vanjie and I was just like, oh yeah, you're you do not know? And then I was like, okay, this is what we're doing. And I was like, okay, then I'm just gonna give you all those and I'm gonna double down on my

piss jokes. And it was just like not having recently, you weren't there, but when I was last out in the l A, I played the quip lash with like the l A gays and it was just had to like it's true when you're with a group of people, you have to figure out what they want. Yeah, and that's how you score points, and like what do they want? Like a fucking Joan Collins was something like that reference, like a Tuesday Weld reference at something. Oh my god,

I don't even know Tuesday. Well she's but that's what, like, I can't It was like a weirdo. Like I felt something when I when I saw your perform first. Do you remember that show We're Max Max Bernstein show? It was Max Oh yeah, and I fucking I did not know what the hell I was doing at the time, but it really it spoke to my heart and I was just being I was doing weird stuff. Was that when when I was doing Alexander Wang or yeah, that was the first time I ever did It was really fun.

It was really funny, and it spoke to my heart and I'm like, I'm like, oh, you're a weirdo. Would feel like like it felt good in my heart, and so there was a good feeling between the two about So my question is like, well that is like you know, like or you are like Cole or they're like people

who are weirdos. And I don't know if it like fits in like whatever, the mainstream whatever we're calling mainstream gay culture, right, yeah, so how does that feel like as you're turning listen to an episode of Beginnings, that is Andy's podcast where he talks to creative people about but let let's make this, let me finish this point when you go below that level of like, okay, there are differences between different cultures, but then there are individual

differences like how what is your relationship then to this mainstream gate culu? Oh, I mean it's what a great question. Oh my god, I want to hear both responses. I spent a long time being really resentful of the mainstream gay culture and being like whatever, it's not for me. I don't know. The supporting actress nominee is off the top of my head from since nineteen whatever, Like uh,

that's also like a crazy reference. But like I spent a long time sort of not feeling like I was tapped into that or that I did embody any of those things. But now it's just like now i I've now that I've gotten past that, like I have more room to just like be curious about like oh yeah, like I'm gonna follow the Oscars season this year, just like just not not hate it first, not hate it first, it was just and it all came from just self loathing and an internalized homophobia. Like every I think a

lot of queer people go through this journey. Did you get through that journey? I've recently realized about myself, Like I've only I've only really kind of discovered who I am like in my comedy and then my interactions with people, like in the last two two and a half three years.

And I think it's because I've always been able to be myself with bowen Um and now I was doing the podcast and like us just being ourselves together and then involving someone else and um, Like when I auditioned for my sketch comedy group, like I was so I mean, I had just come out of the clouds of the summer before and I was so scared that they wouldn't

put me on the group because I was gay. That I didn't do my hair, and I wore a shirt with Heath Ledger's face on it as the joker, and I wore like a track jacket and because and I went in with like it's kind of crazy that I even made the team, because I was so performing a performance that like, um, I just I look back at my work at that time and like who I was at that time, and I was like, Wow, how much energy I was spending trying to connect to something else.

And so in that way, I I've always been very gay, Like when I was like in middle in elementary school, middle school, like I was like looking up like who who was winning the Oscars and stuff like that. I was always obsessed. I always had an intrinsic thing where I was like, I like gay stuff. But um, not only is there was there the oppression of just like you know, homophobia and like kind of the patriarchy that

has long island. It's like then you come to can, you come to n y U, and like, you know, the bullies are the straight man, they're the gay men. And so I didn't want to be around them because they didn't like me and they kind of like made fun of me. And so then I found the comedy kids who were nice, but I still had to like do drag, you know what I mean. I had to do masks drag with them and it was nothing that

they did. But for the first like five or six years, even though I was quote unquote good at what I did in terms of comedy. I look back on that and there's no identity, there's no point of view. I think I'm hitting the jokes, but I don't see anything look at my own my voice at all, and I it's only recently been and I know, I think people a lot of people that listen to this podcast, they don't really know me as a comedian. They know me as this so it's like it's it's a it's a

lot to reconcile. I do think I'm a little delayed in terms of like, no, it's all coming at the right and no, I feel like it's better than I'm thinking it is. Right but right, it's the process, right, but it is very honestly andy, I'm until you took us to this place. That's think listeners. I think the listeners also love to hear the side of you they you know, because it is the part where you're like

I know them, and it's tender. I mean, sometimes I listen back to this podcast and I agree with people saying I'm annoying because I am doing That's not I'm not saying that. It's like, but you can hear yourself like when you're not being totally in you, and that is when in your in your internal mechanism of Oh my god, there's so much artifice in what I'm saying in this moment, in this moment, in this moment, I hate that you. I suck. That's just that's always gonna

doesn't It's not real, it's not yea, the process. It's right, but it's it's only helpful. It's only so helpful. Um what am I saying? My god, it's it's only to be so self aware. Yes, yeah, that's all it is. Um, I have a random question off of this. But I was thinking of I was thinking of you, Mowen because uh, we didn't you know, we we didn't know the Emmys were gonna be on a Monday, so we had our show on emy night. We didn't we would never have missed it, but the Union Hall only gave us one.

But but um, I thought of you when I was like watching the clubs later, Mr and Mrs Oh, Mr and Mrs Go. I was here for the whole fam I go. I want to know how that would feel. Oh my god, they seem wonderful. I'm very familiar with Mr and Mrs Oh, she brings them. She brings them to talk shows all the time. That was my first time seeing them. So wonderful. Her mom, her mom wore a humbook. It's gorgeous. She looked amazing, she looked amazing. I love that hair, hair, and just I don't know,

it was it was. It was just very special. And I hope, I hope it means good things in the future for her. We can't be disappointed about her losing, because the thing and the thing is she doesn't give a shut, she doesn't give a ship. And also somebody very deserving did win. And that's my thing is it's like a little bit I don't think so honey, everyone being like with the winners, it's like you guys, television

is so good, right, like they're talented. Category was stacked, but you know who I was gagged one Tandy that was wonderful. That was so exciting. It And that's another That's one of the things I always say every year. I am always pissed when someone that was deserving the first year who loses wins the second year. But I didn't give a funk with that. I don't care. Also, oh my god, huge that Henry Winkler one, and I love that he said kids go to bed. His kids

are in their forties. That that's what Henry Winklers give me. Henry Winkler's Twitter, him holding varieties of fish he's caught is literally my favorite thing, like a vision board. That man is having a great time. Okay, he has caught a trout. He has caught a rainbow trout and he is loving it. And it's just like a beautiful Henry Winklers smile and a fish and nothing. He's basically playing a version of himself on do you could you guys watch? Yes,

Paula Newsom, I think huge. She plays the detective. Oh yeah about spoiler alert. She like gets into some stuff with Henry Winkler's character. How did you feel about that? Now? I mean another interracial couple our type Jewish Jewish and black or just what black? I mean, I'm Jewish. But this is the thing I was saying on stage. I didn't realize this. It's it's taken me a while, but like I grew up Jewish in Pennsylvania and we're it's different.

We're like surrounded by white power groups, like they just like if you had a map you would just see swatstickas dotting the landscape Pennsylvania. And so I grew up like very like you know. Or Mike my six my best friend in sixth grade, ended our friendship by going, I wish Hitler I killed your family. I just like wept, just start crying, like in like home room or something. I can't It was like towards the end of the day, you go back to home room. I remember saying that

cruel flippant. Yeah, it's I'm sure racism was that flippant. Yes, So a jew from Pennsylvania is a different I realized this last night, Like I present in New York or l A, I presented just a white man or his nami would say quite hite, quite, And so it's I'm not I'm not used to that. I'm not I'm used to being like, oh, I'm the one everyone's going to like when ship gets bad, I'm the one that's going

to be shoved to a train car and taken off somewhere. Um. But so, I I don't know how to answer, But Henry, yes, you're saying completely right that discussion like who's white, who's Jewishes? Whatever? Whereas like it's because I feel like it was a conversation we had early on Andy, like, because you know, I grew up in New York. I went to private school in the Epper east Side. Honey, I was like, you Jewish, Okay, you're driving, you know, I know be Roses.

I didn't know obviously, you know, I knew the history, but what it meant, you know, now we're coming up or as a kid in the nine does go to school in Park Avenue. I didn't see it right, And then you know, like, oh, right, right, right if you're you know, I think for most others, you know, right, if you're away from major city. Yeah, in Pennsylvania, we're just like we're at ziclon A level when we're one step away from cyclon being right down there. What a

time dark? Yes, maybe the darkest. It keeps it light. And that's what I love about from it. We went from Flintstone to gas Chambers. But he can juxta that's a full spectrum. He can flip, he can flip between the two. Well, it keeps you going sometimes. I said, Honey, if you ever got Alzheimer's, I don't know if i'd know, because you'd be saying some stuff and juxtaposing where I'm like, are you here? Were there already? The dementia plocks are

in the brain. That's fear. Oh no, no, no, grandfather had the worst thing you can do as someone who may be suffering me potentially, haven't Alzheimer's think about it? What do you mean? This is the it's because if you think about having Alzheimer's, are you talking about a panic at someone? If you think about someone else having Alzheimer's, that means they will No, no no, no. If you panic about having Alzheimer's and you fixate on it, that's a bad thing to do. My mom's doing that. My mom's

been doing that for the last twenty years. She's got to stop. This is why I'm not going to have sex with her. She's so insane. She wouldn't think about that. It'd be on I put it down. Oh my god, your sister Yang something to this. She's so furious. She loves that. She loves that, she loves it. Sister yangis in uh is a juice living in a white sumacy. Were talked about this episode. I said, Bowen Yang is

the one that's closer to being the Jebu. Well, literally, I wanted to be like, I'm like, she is an Asian Jew in the South. Yes, girl, you're on the front line. She's in Atlanta. She's doing great. But she they did. They did do a great Atlanta joke at the Emmy's last Night, which I loved, where there was like, um, I think it was a chain made a joke. It was like uh. And and and there's this new show called fifteen Miles Outside of Atlanta that that's a that's

an all white cast or something they're they're doing. All right, we beard of Atlanta called love. Um, okay, I think it's time. It's time for I don't think so, honey, oh Andy just oh my god, tightened, tightened, Oh my god, he's open to notes and he's got oh I love a prepared queen. And we we stand up prepared. We

stand u prepared queen. We just had Max Silvestri and who delivered a great one written out and we and this this is truly a sea change moment for us because we realized that we have to bring we have to bring our a game. We gotta bring our a game because you know what's crazy is like everyone's like, oh, you guys, you guys like it's like we're out of the three people we've had to do it. Like I'm gonna rank us at like a hundred sixty eight. I'm in the third percent time. I'm like, you know, I'm

I'm like in the middle of the pack. Yes, but we want some people fall We've got We've got some titans here. So here we go. Matt, you want to go first. You went with the first last time. I can go first. You want to go first? Generous first? Canst first? First? Hey, this is Rogers. Take in your face my love. Um uh is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many times starts now. I don't think so honey that the Oscars are going to be shorter. Bit. We like the long Oscar. We are gay. We want

the long Oscars. We want every original song performed in full. If not, I don't think so honey. I don't think so honey that we're not getting full clips of all the nominated films with people coming out. And I don't think so honey that every performer's entrance is in a full minute long. I don't think, so honey, I want a long Oscars. You're gonna condense the Oscars to two hours, bitch.

I love staying up at the next It reminds me of when I was little and have that decade moment where I'd lay out all the snacks and I'd stay up until one in the morn to see if Anette Benning was gonna win for American Beauty. She did not that year. It was Hillary Swank and boys, don't cry questionable. I don't think any of that win, or maybe either of her wins. I don't think so money that Hillary Swank has two Oscar wins and a Nette Benning has zero.

And why am I able to say I don't think so, honey, This because I have a long history of hours spent watching the Oscars. Let me watch a long Oscars as part of my gay culture. And that's one minute they said they were gonna take. They made two changes to the Oscars. They were adding the best popular film, which has been rescinded agree with, and they were gonna shorten

the Oscars and they're going to keep a short bitch. No, we like the long I'm here for the full night, as you said, especially thinking as the kids that that Sunday night and it was like stay up late on Sunday, which was always like a school nights. It's an event. You're here for the two hours. I mean with all those commercials, it's not so bad. And it's such a you know what I mean, like a culture, like I want to see everything. You know, I sort of got

Do you think they're going to cut the memorial? They're not gonna cut the worry, but they're going to cut like a lot of categories. I mean what I'm saying they got to I mean, I mean, you're not gonna see like sound mixing, sound editing, centimatography. You're not going to see that ship. You're probably honestly, you're probably gonna see the big the big ones. So acting, you'll see all those because of course you'll see you'll see like whatever wins for song, because it's going to be the

performances you know they're writing. They always give you adapted in original screen, right honestly, Oh my god, what they what do they give you? None of the like international animation, give you a foreign film, well right, but even you know shorts and the and the features, and I'm like, are you kidding me? Like that? You know that's a huge motion. It's like give them their time on stage, hour out of it, and I would imagine that they're not going to cut the song performances because when you

have Gaga up there potentially doing it. And also Choice Savan is actually gonna have you race Okay, it's boy a race, just a gritty love Simon. What's going on there? And I think that is one way to market it. No, no, no, I was just like I was like Planet Toronto. Love Simon is dealing more with I'm I'm gay and it's my problem, whereas like the conflict of boy or racist specifically the conversion it was Love Gilda supposed to be a takeoff on Love Simon. I don't think so. The

bit I don't think. I don't think that oification. How dare you one word? And if that was a bit, but I don't approve. I did. I did cry at the loved Oh my god. It was we saw that. We saw the movie that ride, Yes, we saw it. It was lovely, oh my god. And actually I would say, you know, I didn't grow up uh as yeah, you know, And I wasn't someone even though I do comedy, I wasn't intually like a comedy nerd and ingest. I didn't start watching us an Lu till like the Terry years.

You know, yeah, I think I would say the same, so like I didn't, but like you know, so to see her story. I mean when I knew her, you know, in my head, I knew her as being a comedian power couple with Gene Wilder before good Rich. So you have to see it. Everyone, Um, your phone went to Okay here, Sorry, this is just a behind the scenes moment. Okay, this is I don't think so honey on this episode and this time starts now, I don't think so honey.

These ships I've been taking the last couple of a week, I am dumping out beef stew into my bowl every morning, and I can't do it anymore. I'm getting very concerned. And I'm on a threat with lovely people and a dres and the cold silver great to win. It's the billy domino. We call it. We call it um ploppers or something. We all text each other as soon as

we take it exactly what it's called. And it's definitely called no but no. The reason I don't know it's because it changes every week, and so someone changes I am. I don't like what's coming out of and no, and I really have been taking problematic ships for the last twelve months and I no doctor will give me a straight answer. They're saying, you know, just eat more fiber. I'm saying, no, I'm if I ate a whole salary stock every second of the day. I this would not

change anything. I think I need to do less. Fleet enemas he's been too busy. He's trying to get ready for anal. No, I don't do it. I don't have anal an. It's all about fraud, frodagda cottage. I've had some of the best sexual experiences of my life performing fotage. There is like this weird like subculture subreddit of gay of gay man who are just like, yeah, no, no, anal just just rubbed it until we and it's pretty solid, so to speak. Well now, it's also it's been like

this for a long time. About a year ago, I was having an interesting time with my poops as well, and then I got out of it. I've seen the other side. I'm so devastated to here that you're not but you're not alone, Okay, I'm here with you, and you know what I'm gonna get an oscarpa. Honey, I'm getting in there. Get it. Do you get a camera I have covered? Honey, if you got coverage, get it covered. That's what I say. I'm getting in there and I'm getting answers. You want a camera up, I'm getting it.

I don't want it, but I'll do what needs to be done. There's nothing more humiliating than going for a butt whole problem to the doctor. You're gonna put up. You're gonna grab that. Yeah, only if it's a nice looking picture. Go live, baby. Okay. I think I think it's time for Naomi to go, because I really don't think. I don't really don't think. Stopped looking and you've got it garbage you got written now, man, I just had to pull that out of our asses to one of us.

Literally and okay, Andy, as a first timer, we're gonna save you for last, I think. And it's Naomi time. This is gonna go so well, this is Naomi Pegins. I don't think so, honey, her time starts now. I don't think so, honey. These dangerous white men who say I've learned to forgive myself, okay, I don't think it's about what you think about yourself, because if we could have trust your judgment, we would have been a situation

to begin Honey. I don't. I don't need to name a name here, honey, because the list is too long. It's not about specifics, it's about the general deciding when you are done right, populist, you don't get to make the decisions anymore, honey. I don't think so, Honey, coming at us and you feel right, I think your preoccupation with what makes you feel good is the problem. Honey. I don't. I don't want to know what you feel

about you. I'm gonna tell you what I feel about you. Yes, we are going to take a collective We're gonna have a collective text message chat, honey, and we're gonna tell you when we're ready for you to be forgiven. And that's one minute. This thing of I feel it's time. I feel I'm ready to be forgiven? Are you talking about not sentetically? It's a no no. Have you ever said that in a relationship? I didn't yell. I know, I didn't. I know I screamed that, your mom, I'm

ready to be forgiven? Who is that? But that is a very dad thing to say. That this is my new character and the conflict is over right, I decide when we are done here, and oh, my dad would pull that it all the time. And I even has a seven year old to be like, no, my sense of judgment was so thrown back then, just because there is this thing of like, I know everything period, you know what I mean. It's just that you totally you know, as long as a human walk in the earth, but

you have to put up with yeah. And then but then like once once you developed that vocabulary, like now, like I've called my dad out like retroactively and been like, oh, yeah, all those fights we had as kids, when we were kids, like that was you know, that was bullshit? Right? He was like, yeah, I know, how do you say bye bitch in Mandarin? It's it's longer than by a bitch, it's more syllables. We'll go ahead. Oh I love that was magical? Am I saying? Close enough? Good? I'm into it.

But it's not. It doesn't have that same punch. And I felt the Yeah, I felt it. Excited, Okay, I felt it. I felt a tangle everywhere, and we're going to feel a tangle now with Andy Backerman's I don't think so. I love This're getting a pepped penny feelings feeling sick to my son, J Honey, you can do this. Yes, you have prepared this. Okay, your crown has been bought and paid for. Where miss Floyd, Oh my god, I love it. Okay, this is and Kerman. I don't think so.

Many as time starts now, I don't think so, honey, journalists who put the word a comedian in their Twitter bio. I spent thousands of dollars of my own money at you see, being earned the frigid disapproval of my waspy

Jewish parents in order to call myself a comedian. You spent tens of thousands of your dollars of your parents money to go to Columbia j School and hobnob with the strange failed sons of Maggie Haberman and David rem And just because you wrote some slightly sarcastic, as weak as a Norm McDonald apology joke about Trump being a fucking dipshit or something as similarly obvious that Twitter filated you for mostly because your BuzzFeed byeline you think you

could call yourself a comedie. I don't think so. Honey, Ben gibber Do a solo performance, and every comment he made between songs that even approach the event horizon of amusing elicited roars of laughter from the very willing audience. I don't see a ten minute chunk on how to divorce a quirky girl on the new Death Cab album because he knows how to stay in his lane. And that's one minute. That's very true. I am spent. That was very good. Congratulations, congratulations, stand the dragon in its

face and slits God you made. This is the best kind of the observational one. Both we I talked about my fucking poop and you talked about don't qualify. My mind was gonna stop? Okay, Naomi and Andy Town incisive cultural commentary. Oh what is wrong with these people? I feel you have to be you have to perform to be a comedian. Alright, I'm with you anymore, just put in your Twitter. But now, comedian, listen, know. I also

don't like to be superior about anything. I mean, I think tweets can be funny, and I think you can be very good at writing them. It's just that you know. Also, there's nothing wrong comedian with not using instead of using the word comedian, you say humorist or rack, contur, whateverever, but comedian. There is some sort of implicit meaning in

you performing on a stage in front of strangers. I also think, good luck calling yourself a comedian and then getting in a room with people who actually are when you've called yourself a comedian all these years and then people find out that you don't, haven't performed whatever. I also really don't like to be superior about it. But it is a thing. It's a thing, and we're look, it's claiming something you haven't earned. Sure, but it's not superiority.

It's it's just about like just it's fine, like stay in your as Andy Beckerman one said, stay in your own or you know what, go out there and do Mike, go out there and put put a show up. Yeah, there's start whenever. It's never too late to start, never never. And we just want the cultural cachet of comedies in now. Guys they want that even though really they're just writing, you know what, listicles things like that. I can't believe

you. You You threw in a Mackie Haber name David remnick name, little little little little barbed that love that barbicious bou Brella. That's gonna be that's gonna be your name for me now Barbararella with Jane Fonda. Yes, is the same. Wow. This is truly a special episode, phenomenal, phenomenuse episode. And I would say that it felt like therapy. It truly did. I'm not even saying this in any sort of facetious way. Thank you for the asking those questions and yeah, that

was really good, and thank you for facilitating all. I mean, this only happens because and this is what I said on the top of the show, Andy Naomi just set the tone right, they come in, wrecked, come correct, say something beautiful and point that would be the last thing our listeners here. So much pressure. Um. I I'm feeling very volunty right now. My heart is very open, and I'm glad that you three could come in and build a fire and cook a stew that we could all enjoy.

Don't how dare you mentioned stews? So I just prepared my fecal matter to beef stews. This is preach uw stew preach, preach, Thank you, thank you, um, and I'll just keep it simple. You know, something from one of our favorite movies. If you want to be somebody, if you wanna go somewhere, you better wake up and pay attention. Wow, I'm telling you, lady Day, lady Day, we can't you know what we end that we you You and I ended the show. The episode with a song each time.

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