"Impending Mother" (w/ Kara Klenk)

I have an issue with this. Okay, but you need to probably be you. It's not about pride, I assure you, it's purely about it. It's purely efficiency. I'm just like the amount of time, the this cumulative amount of time that I've wasted, just being like it's bow and it's um b o w bo w no o b o w e just like the false starts, the lurching through.

It's truly it's it's I think I've spent a full tallendar year total telling these telling these people how to spell my name, and it's just not what happens when the Starbucks employee is a huge fan, doesn't from your many exploits in the entertainment industry. Then they they see you as a wolf in Sheep Club, then they'll respect my wishes and right, But Brian on the damn I want you because isn't there a Brian Yang? Yes? What does he do? I think he's also a comedian. Okay,

shout out to her, Shout out to her. Hey, queen, hey, queen, were not not to miss gender. He's a boy. Well, uh, I find that I want you to scream from the rooftops that you and I loved my name so much. But at Starbucks, it's not about with a B. That's all you have to say. I think you enjoy the performance. Listen, you walk into a Starbucks, pride is not an issue like no one's no one's, no one's want your drink as soon as past. No one's proud in a Starbucks.

That's actually rule of culture at number A hundred and seventy six. No one's proud in a Starbucks unless you're managing a thriving location. And then you have and then I would walk around with my hands on my hips and saying this land is my lab. I would just be very like, I'm so happy of the community I've created here. Yes, I find that oftentimes the community seems very good. Amongst the Starbucks workers. Absolutely, I feel like Starbucks. I mean, we love Howard. Oh I'm just kidding. Wait,

does Howard Schultz really own the Starbucks? Yes? Is that his client to fame? Yes, that's the whole reason we care. Why am I such a Starbucks bitch? We all are, actually, and so are you. I made no gestures at not being one a Starbucks bitch. Now now, now you might be asking, who the heck was that sultry tones? Who's Connecticut? Beautiful connect beautiful? Sultry Connecticut sound? Was that? That? Actually? What happened to be our guests? Now, now here's the

thing about our guests. Here's the thing about our guests. Our guest is currently nine months and one week pregnant. And then she goes, well, we'll get into this. She goes, guys, she tells us two boys who don't know, who will never never know. She goes, pregnancy is actually ten months. They don't tell you. That shook me, and that shook me. She is so fantastic. She and I go way way back. Do you go way back? Well, we were deep in the trenches for this pilot presentation that didn't go. I

love a pilot presentation. I find a pilot presentation so thrilling it was. I mean, I love presenting something. Everyone is every Yeah, we love presenting a pilot. What was it? It was America's least wanted when yeah, yeah, yeah, and um was it was a fun old time and just did it didn't go? Okay, that's fine, but you know it did. Gob growing inside and the album inside he has given birth already to Undefeated, the Undefeated, the album literally Undefeated, number one on I on the charts whatever.

And now it's like fluctuating a little bit, and like, who cares that happens? But she she shot all the way at the number one, She's all the way to the rule culture number ninety one. Fluctuation happens. It's such a good album, Undefeated. Um you can hear the guy Random's laughing, and was he there? Oh my god, this is not Guy Brandom, but it is a comedian who has an identical laugh. That's a wolf. And if you go to a comedy club in New York or l A with a Guy Brandom laugh, you think it's guy

and it's not a guy that's a threat. That's that's a threat to Matt. Okay, but we're so happy that's here. Do you guys know, Ira Madison, I think and guy have a similar okay interesting similar similar papal laugh um but they But wow, this our guest is so fantastic, an amazing writer, stand up performer, actress, and I don't think, Um, we're so happy to have her here. Please welcome into your ears. Oh my god, what a dream. I'm so

happy to be here. Have you. I have touched both of you vaguely through pilot presentations on a pilot presentation. Well it was a full pilot. It was a full pilot, a full pilot, but one was cast in and we only met during the filming and we were like, what's happening here? But I thought that you were so fun

and finding in it. And then I last summer wrote on a Bravo reboot of of Blinding the famously misogynistic and second like horrible game show note that they're trying to bring back and repurpose that Matt was very far along casting process for. But don't worry. I also don't think he's going I will have to say I really felt good about like that. I thought it was going well, and then you texted me and I was like, oh, Garril's in the room, maybe this will help. And then yeah,

I like your tape is so great. Yeah, because you know who they went with, Carson Gressley, who was like an establis that You're like, but but then why did you bring in every young star in the comedy scene like you wanted to discover new talent and then you were like, let's go back to well, I'm always like fully blown away when these places can afford to fly people out, I know, and multiple times like it's crazy. Money is not a thing, I guess to the wealthy,

the wealthy, powerful connected industry folks. Absolutely, I mean almost then you have touched us both. Yeah, I've touched both of you. I feel in various pilot ways. But like hopefully one day we'll all just be working on something that goes. We were putting that on into the atmosphere. Yeah, okay, so explain this. Ten months, So pregnancy is forty weeks.

So forty weeks divided by four is ten months. Like you don't usually really go like maybe two I'm not going to go to full ten months, but it's closed heer to ten months. Yeah, I don't know. I don't really. Yeah, I don't really get why they do. But but I think it's because I think it's because you are technically pregnant, like two weeks before you even have the sex that gets you pregnant. Because they go from they go from your period and stuff like that. This is disgusting love

diss develops. Yeah, it's like basically they can only judge it from your period because that's more accurate because you could be having sex like utible days and so they judge it from your last day of of your of

menstruation and so then yeah, so it's all goofy. But I basically did a show last night where I was like, I am nine months and one week pregnant, and the audience gas because they truly thought I was going to and I do like a whole bit where I get down low on the ground, and I think they were so I thought I was going to, like chopple over. When you said nine months in one week pregnant, I thought in my head, oh my god, her water will break on this episode of Last Cult. And if that

does happen. I will say this, My number one priority will be getting you to the hospital. My second priority is this episode has to come out of me. Yeah, I put you in the stream, turned to turned to hot associated producer, and I would say, we gotta rush this. We gotta rush this one. We gotta rush. God, we have the scoop on carrot planks. Water breaking. I want this episode out for the baby's name. Another another myth.

Water doesn't break like a ton of the time. Yeah, like a lot of times the doctor breaks your water for you when you're at the hospital, like a lot of And it's also not the gush you see and like romance, like like it's sometimes it's just like am I peeing my pants a little bit? And That's what I've been told a right, sometimes only a little bit. Yeah, it's just so it's wild. I guess I'll just see

what happens for me. Wow. I mean it is like and I didn't know I was pregnant kind of thing where it's like sometimes it's like none of the signs are there and the baby comes out of you. Yeah, that's insane that I didn't know it was I was pregnant. Thing is psycho. To me is does that mean that something else is going on? In my opinion, something else

psychologically going on. I mean I've talked to my mother in law about this, who used to be like an E. R. Nurse in West Virginia, and she was like, it's denial. Like a lot of the time they're like something's wrong, but because I am growing baby inside me and I cannot ignore it, liken't know it is pounding at the door constantly, like yeah, it's a very substantial body change.

And also, I mean I think also if you're massively overweight, I think that that can mask the first two months, but even still when you get to the end, it's like there's clearly something in there. There's something like you know what I mean, that's the bubble hitting the like never the storyline on Madman the first season when Peggy gives birth, Yeah, that's to me, that was like a denial like she knew, like okay, so she was like my my career and like I can't this is going

to be too shameful on my family or whatever. Right, right, So you've had we were talking before you came in. You've had like a good, comfortable pregnant. Yeah, yeah, I feel really lucky. I've been. I felt really good the whole time. I've been performing the whole time. I can't

believe that you had an album come out. Yeah, it's been but I've been fine, And I honestly like, here's I'm like such a true extrovert, Like i love being around other people so much that I'm so scared for the next month when I'm just sitting in a house with my husband and a baby. I just feel like I'm gonna be so bored that I'm literally just like soaking up shows, parties, like whatever i can do to

be around other people. But everyone's like no where, everyone's gonna come over, and like, you're not gonna be alone, And I'm like, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean, You're not because if you have that resolve to not be alone, or if you're if you're trying to get that out of your system now to like go to all these things and see people, because something will change dramatically when the baby arrives, which it might and it maybe will, but like you that that part of your

life will not end with right right right right now. Is there a plan with you and your husband to like like he's going to be at home. Obviously he's not gonna keep doing his shows, is he. Well, he is probably gonna keep booking shows. God, what, Well, here's the thing. We run a show together. We run a show together in West Hollywood. If you ever any listeners like are bar Lu Bitch in beautiful West Hollywood every Thursday. It's called Better Half Comedy because we are married. And um,

I think he's going to keep posting that. I think he's going to slow down on like probably regular spots like yeah, he is actually going on a road gig two days before I'm do just like what which everybody is like, what wait a minute? Is it high paying and high power? It's in Wilmington Worth, Caroline, listen, listen. My doctor said, I really don't think that you're going to go early, so she kind of gave him the okay to go. So you at nine months in one

week pregnant. Your do date is April five. Day is April five, but I might go a few days earlier than that. Okay, Okay, Well, I like you like your doctor or not? I mean your doctors signed off. So funny because he keeps being like, I'll be on a plane back home and I go from Wilmington's like connecting through Atlanta. Like there's not like a red eye that takes you in the middle of the night to l A. There's not just it's not just this thing of like

I'm heading to the airport. It's like you have to get a flight and make sure it's like six hours lights. Oh my god, I would be panicked. I'm sure you know about it a decision for you, but as a part of it, as as a part of it now, I'm like, come on, you'll be in l A. I'll just call you honestly that the water has be like, oh my god, I'm already at the hospital laying down a sheet. I don't know why. I'm just doing towels, like just lay like comfortable surface, make every surface as

comfortable as possible. I'm always scared when because you know, sometimes I've watched baby birth videos. Okay, did you just watch one? Are you horrified? Yeah? Okay, I'm sorry. I don't like bringing this up to pregnant women, but the birthing process, like it fascinates me. But like I always think the baby comes out so fast. Yeah, that's what they don't tell you. Once it's coming out, it shoots out,

shoots out, it's ejected. And so that's why I feel we need to make sure there's a matt on the ground some like one of those like like like a ball pit ball oh, like fun zone. What I'm saying is cheese give birth and a fun zone or chuck e cheese. I'm sort of playtime adjacent. Yeah, get that kid, like all the antim but like they're going to be exposed to so much bacteria and give them those antibodies. They're like push not too hard because you can count

in that thing out god bazukazka. I mean when you watch a video, they slide right out. They really do. It's kind of disturbing, Okay, And like I still have there's still I still have such a lack of understanding about how these things get logistically planned where it's just like, okay, well, your doctor is going to be there with you the

drop of a hat. These doctors wire like like like I assume your doctor is gonna like I don't really get the life of like you know, b g y And I'm like, can you ever make a dinner reservation? Don't really like I mean, obviously you go to the hospital and they check you and they check you, and the doctor doesn't come in until you're really ready. Like when you tear about the women laboring for twelve hours, the doctor is not there the whole time. They come

in like at the end. So but I should like ask her, that's a really I'm always like, what's your life? You know, she wouse because my mom is a doctor, but like a pediatrician, Like she's just like gives a home and it's like taking a max of zone and you know, it's not like it's not like she ever had to leave a family trip to like go to the hospitally, like that's always in movies. The thing though, it's like my doctors in Psycho, you know, it's like like for some reason the doctor is like so not

even like not in town. They're like out of the country. But that's happened several times, Like I think that happened and knocked up and knocked up the doctor was like on vacation or like, and that's why she gets Ken John, who was like a dick to her, and she's like I hate this guy. That was like Ken John's first first big thing. Yeah, Alison Jones baby Alison Jones casting, but you're probably not. Are you consuming a lot of media about you know what? I just watched Tully. Oh,

I haven't watched that. I watched it. Do not watch it. I didn't watch it. I don't think it will excite you. Okay. It seems like like I think the reason I didn'tatch it because the entire time it's been out I've either been trying to get pregnant or pregnant. And I was like, it seems like a woman who's deeply unhappy. That movie is like about a lot of other things, but like it would as a as a as an impending mother, I wouldn't like maybe wait anyway anyway to the baby's

like you know seven yeading impending mother. Potential title of a yes, impending mother. Um, so here's a question, because you look great, are you working out? Like? What? How is that work? I was trying to work out a little bit the first like until we hit like six or seven months, and then I just was like I'm so big, Like I'm trying to do walks and stuff, but like I was going to spin and obviously not doing the like and then I just we moved also,

so like our whole gym situation changed. So yeah, I'm also tall, so I think I carry it a different way than like when you see some shorter girls that just look like and I haven't swelled up a lot, which is which is nice. I mean it's distributed to one. Yeah, like it's all here. I mean, I'm sure it's going to be like a night we're trying to get rid of all of it when it's gone to get back to my you know, society proved to post baby by

there you go. But that's why I think this whole thing of like when people say like, oh, you're carrying it this way, like it must be a boy or a girl, that doesn't make any sense to me because tall women carry a completely Like also, everyone's body is literally different culture number ninety six and one's body is

literally different. Um so anyone that comes up and it's like, oh, it's a girl, because it's like my husband was like, because a lot of my friends started writing me text being like I had a dream you're having a boy, or I had did this tree? He goes, well, your sudden your friends are all witches. Like everyone just everyone's in a coven now, and they also like to know what you're Yeah, it's like I'm just waiting to see

what happens. But I was telling him before when you were out for a second bo and like every single that looks at me tells me I'm having a boy now. But she feels as if it's a girl. But that could also just be like a little bit of a wishful thinking thing, like no offense to my future son listening to this podcast. Um, but yeah, I mean I don't know, but I don't know who cares. Yeah, I don't care. I don't care. That's why I'm not finding out.

And that's where you find who even cares, even even cares. But yeah, so so that I mean, like what is like how would you rationalize the reason why you guys don't want to find out. It's like, um, my parents didn't and so I was like to my husband, I was like, I don't know, my parents never found out. He was like, let's not find out. We just thought it would be like fun kind of also like a fun surprise. Yes, also like if you trace back humanity,

like they've never known, we're not supposed to know. Yeah, well, I guess then people would say, like, because we have the ability to do the technology, we and we found that ourselves. We are supposed to know technically, but like I feel like that moment of it's a blank, it's so fun. Yeah, not that that is the baby's actual gender, that moment yeah, yes, yes, yes, okay, I love that.

I love that, love that a lot. Well, listen, if we meet the baby today, imagine if imagine the water does break and like we have to become he is luckily, like you know, at least was pretty mad. I know I cannot. I am not equipped to do anything. You are you are, believe you and I will be so like fun, I don't have to name it like Bowen Matthew, three first names. M Okay, So listen, we've talked baby, let's talk baby. Um, that's you. I pointed to, thank you.

So what we ask all of our guests when they come on last culture is what was the culture that made you say? Culture was for you? So basically, this is defining pop culture of your life that sent you in a direction. Stuff you can remember from when you were like or something, anything you've been really obsessed with. That's like a lot of my personality is based on

this pop culture. Okay okay, okay, um okay. Well, if I think back to like elementary school and what I was truly obsessed with, it was Bette Midler, Like I was, like, I was truly so I had at one point just seen everything she'd ever done, and like I had birthday parties every year where we would do hair. My mom would just like buy a bunch of moose and we would just do hair and launch beaches. And that was

my birthday party, like four years in a row. Oh my god, Like I thought, I just thought she was like so brassy and like fun, and I was like I just loved her, and so yeah, I was that. I have to say, she's a key piece. So so has this has this um still the test of time? Did you see um? Like what Hello Dolly, Hello Dolly,

you guys. I tried, I literally tried. I was in New York and I was I got to New York once right when she was ending and passing the torch to burn it atte and I still should have gone to see burn it up, but it was like, yeah, I was dying to see her in it, and I just I've been out I've live in l A. Like, you have this great joke on your album that has

to do with that, um so paraphrase it. Kara has this joke, but she's like, it's like, I love l A. But I had the most l A moment at this where I ordered a grilled cheese and the and the guy was like, oh, yeah, great, um just so you know what the cheese. It's gonna be vegan cheese. Is that okay? And then Karra goes, oh, absolutely, the funk not because getting like like there's no part of a

grilled cheese that does any work besides the cheese. And then she's like, being told that it's going to be vegan cheese and a grilled cheese sandwich is like waiting in line for hours for Hello Dolly to see bet Midler and then when you get there, they say, actually it's gonna be snooky. You guys like that ended a set on that last night and they were like, Okay, I mean, I just I'm a vegetarian, but I draw the line of vegan cheese. It's just cheese. How long

you been vegetarian? Eleven years? Good for you, that's vegetarian Midler. Let's wait, let's keep talking about that. Well, okay, so is there a piece of Bett Miller media that we all must see? I mean the roses Like, okay, so like the rose and beaches and all that stuff, but like I love all these like deep cut movies. She was like she was in this movie called um. I think it's called Stella where she's like a bad mom, just like a partying mom and um. And then I

love the one Outrageous Fortune. I love UM big business, like I just I like just like her and Lily Tomlin as the Twins. I was like, I'm obsessed with this, like I think it just was like the stuff that made me be like women are funny, Like this is what I'm into. And then I saw that Midler at the mall when I was I talked about it in this very room on the Mall Talk podcast because I grew up in Connecticut, and they filmed the movie scenes from them all with Woody Allen. It's a very less

renown Woodyer Middler vehicle. I don't think it was very good, but they filmed it at our mall and I was walking through the mall with my mom and I was like, I want to be in this movie, Mom, can I be an extra? And she was like yeah, yeah, like I'll check on it, and and and I go, I just want to meet at Midler and she goes, well, there she is right there, and the miller walked right by almost so cash like she could not she could care less about like celebrity people like. And she was

like and I was like, oh my god. We followed her to a homewear store and I was like, eleven. My mom goes go say something to her, and I was like, I couldn't. She was with her daughter. I felt intrusseive even at eleven. I was like, I can't be that person. And it's one of my biggest regrets that you didn't say, but what would But it's like you said, it's like you were eleven years old, and how would you have My mom was like, go tell her that you really like her movies. And I was

like I could never like it was. And then every time my dad would like into my teen years, I would like sometimes be staring out the window of the car. My dad would go, what are you thinking about? And I'd go that I never said I truly think about it all the time Like that it's such a brow at eleven years old. Like once I had the opportunity to meet Kelly Clarkson one time right over there, and I was fully twenty eight years old, and I started crying.

So at eleven years old, forget the people that. Like, I was a page at NBC for a year and I was the cone in page, so like I didn't know that. Yeah, So I would like escort all the celebrities up and like after day three, you're like, okay, whatever, one who cares? I mean you, Like I was ad snl to like I would see the famous people and be like, I don't care. But then when Tina Fe came on, I was like, do you need a cookie? Like I was so like, which is when you meet

people that you really really like, you're like. But with that, I mean it's that she's an icon, like a show bisy icon. Yeah. But no, but now you work in I feel like like it's in the stars that you will probably run into her again, I hope. So I just was standing so close to Lily tom on the other day or something. It was like I wanted I could say hi to her too, but she was like in a combo. Sure, but you don't. You don't want

to interrupt. Yeah, yeah, actual number sixty. You don't want to, especially not with Lily Tomlin, because I also feel like she could turn on the head. But what the fun I'm talking to something. It wasn't I wasn't positive dealer out. Did you see the you've seen the famous video of her and David Russell fighting on the set of My Artime. Okay, Lily Tomlin and David Russell, Oh my god, years ago, like on the set of I Heard Huckabees, like apparently

it was like a very intense set because of him. Well, yes, he's you know, one of those directors who was really tough on set. Amy Adams has said this as well, expressed as much that he was like borderline to her on Inside of American Hustle. Um. But and he also famously got into a fist fight with George Katy on the set of Three Kings years ago. He's like, he's

he's like one of the one of those directs. Okay, so um, there's video of Lily Tomlin just like losing her ship because she wasn't like being respected to talk to, and then he fully calls her the s it's it's horrible. It's like it's like this is a toxic environment. And then there's a scene where they're all in a car together shooting a car Naomi Watts I think, Jason Schore

and then um Dustin Hoffman. Yeah, and they're all in this car and she's like going off and David you can hear David Russell offset and they're all just sitting there. It's just so funny to watch the human behavior. And that's my god. And on YouTube, you guys just set my afternoon up for me. There you go, it's really good. Watch that, and then watch the video of reason by this one getting arrested. I've seen that. I've seen that. That's iconic, Like true, do you like, do you know

who my father is? Mom? Like, so good? Do you know who I am? I am? This is gonna be national news. You're arresting me. This is beyond, this is beyond. I'm an American citizen sitting on American ground. Possible idea for a future short too short. No, it's it's just no, it's it's actually it's the most grounded thing that's based most in reality, that it is purely unpolished, just material should truly be like an n y U monologue resting, and then she's in the back of the police car

by herself, and she's like arresting me. She's by herself. She's out and then I need to know what's going on, ma'am, go see in the car. And then the police officer has the most ridiculous Southern accent. And then she comes out to and she goes, I'm pregnant. She was The thing is I'm pregnant, and she wasted visibly. She was on the Today Shew like two days later to publicly apologize and she It's so funny because she's like, another thing is I said I was pregnant. I'm not. I

don't know why I said that. The thing is I'm pregnant, and have you okay? And just to go back to the pregnant starting your justice? I'm starting your justice really interesting interesting, interesting. So it's her best performance that big little eyes, legally blonde all the way down the lists walked the line and then where's Alection write about? Right? Election is icon? Yeah, she's amazing though, um so yes, Bett Miller, how are you feel about the First Wives

Club the reboots? Well or in the movie both the movie both how do you feel about the movie and what are your thoughts about the reboot hasn't come out yet. A friend of mine like love like, will support anything she does, truly would watch her read the phone Book, The First Wives Club, the movie I like, I like it. It's not my favorite bet thing, of course, but I love it. I mean, but yet it is my favorite Goldie Haunt thing. I mean, I mean, but for me

Goldie Haunt. It's a big Death Becomes Her. I just watched her for the first time. So for Joel's birthday, it was me, Joel, Lewis Fortell and um Nico was there too. All we're watching Death Becomes Her for the very first time. It was no. I was the only one that hadn't seen it, and I was obsessed and I said, Yang, you and I have to redo that.

You guys, like, did you know also that that movie, I think either one or was nominated for an Oscar for c g I. It was the very movie that did stuff like that in the ninety like with the whole in her body, and it was the first visual effects Oscar given. Wow it won, Okay, I was I had literally was just Wikipedia and that becomes for like a week. Why, I just it is bonkers crazy and you could never make that movie now because it's so like long, like the third act is like entirely leaves

the game of the movie behind. It's so crazy, but just and just like a serious actress like Meryl Streep also being in a movie like that like now now, yeah, she's so good. And I said to I turned to Joel, and I was like, this might be my favorite Meryl. Really, it's so good. She's so like Pulpy in it and big and everything is like and I kind of love when Meryl is like really really letting go. Do you know what? Also, Meryl is so good? And is she

devilr No, it's like a Clank family favorite. Like we used to watch it like all the time, you know, when like h we had HBO and so like whatever was rotating on HBO was one and like it would just beyond all the time. We were like, I was bonkers for she Devil at Begley Jr. Meryl Streep, h Roseanne bar and I don't support Roseanne, but that movie is a great. Okay, I need to check out that role. It's fully a romance novelist in it like so big

and broad. I love it just how you like her, because the thing is like Meryl does big, but it's still like acting, like it's so one scene she's like really crying, but it's like this big, stupid sobiacting that you could tell they called cut and she was like it was done, you know what I mean. She's so good and she's like very vain in it. I really like watching Meryl play vainue, like very obsessed with her looks like it's very funny. That was the whole message

of the movie, right right. She kind of did that, and she kind of did that and it's complicated a little bit where she whi she was basically doing a Diane Keaton in its complicated. Well, now you're getting into my truly favorite genre, which is later in life romance. Like it is just my dream Like it's complicated. Something That's got to Give is my one of my ultimates. That's one of I think it is one of my favorite roundcoms ever. Yeah, something, I truly love it so much.

I like I like downloaded on on Lime Wire, like most of the French songs that are in it. That movie, I love that movie, and what are the other ones? I mean all that, I mean the Nancy, but also like just whenever it's like terms of fifty and I think it's over for me, but then I've meet someone and I'm still going to work out. You guys, I liked book Here's the thing. I loved Book Clubs so much.

And you guys know Elliott Glazer, right, Elliott had hated it so much that he hadn't come on his podcast and we debated it, and everything that he hated about it was what I loved exactly. Not everything. It's such a whacking. Yes, things don't have to be good to be good, right, right? That wasn't like. I wasn't like

book club was snubbed at the Oscar. It wasn't that. Yeah, I just was like, I mean, any the things he points out, like like I'm sorry when she's just in full clothes on a pool float in Sedona, like what's going on? And that would that had the exterior shots of that house were clearly out of sounds like, but but you're right, like, not everything has to be important. No,

that's the thing. Sometimes movies are just movies because they four of them decided to sign off and vis Berken had two weeks and she said, yeah, I'll do this, and iveryone was like yay, right. I was like, when are you going to see four like post menopausal women headlining a movie. This is amazing and they're all legends. Like I loved it. I like was obsessed with the fact that, like I think Jane Fonda is eighty and Mary Stein virgin is and they're like in a posse

together and there's an eighteen year different. I love it. And also anytime Mary Steenbergen is given an opportunity to like just be on stage for more than I mean, be on a movie for more than twenty minutes, that is a good. It's a good. And she I thought was like that was truly the grown up version of her character and parenthood just really like this really sweet woman who just wants things to work out, you know

what I mean. And and it Step Brothers too. She's kind of like yeah, because I had been watching her so much in Last Man and where she's kind of this bitch, and like it was like the return to the sweet. What was her line in Stepbrothers, Like when she like breaks up the fight and she just I don't know she screams someone. I'm famously not Strothers. I've only seen it like one time at home. I liked it, but I don't remember. I don't love John Riley, but

it's it's such a good movie. I love Will Ferrell. I just something about John when he does comedy. I'm like, I feel you trying, like I don't find him list Okay, Okay, we removed. I don't like I don't particularly feel a strong way about John c Riley, but it's like you have like Adams. I was going to say, live for Adam Scott and icon just the whole sweet child that

might not Capella. Thing in the car is like so adamkis and now like also the sign I almost had the day side he's got it seems to me it reminds me of childhood. I saw myself and that kid, and I'm like, I respect amazing, but like now it's like Anim's going to direct like a Thoros film and he like just did like you know Vice? Yeah? Did

you like Vice? Okay, here's the thing I felt like during that election, I was like abroad and so I don't didn't know a lot about Dick Cheney so I liked the movie because it was so educational for me.

If you already know that Dick Cheney is like the devil, then then I would say, like that movie was like a little boring, Like my husband found it boring, but I was like, I didn't know all this stuff, so like for me, I learned a lot from it, but I didn't think it should have been like in the top ten movies nominating you know what about you guys?

And I actually really liked it, y yeah, And I remember I saw it like a sag screening and I really liked it, and then left the theater and I was there with like a bunch of critics, like it was like a screening opportunity for critics, and based on that screening, they did reviews, and I left the movie. This is where I'm like, maybe I'm like fully out of touch, but I left the movie thinking that's going

to get great reviews. And then like Richard Lawson, who was there and like everyone that was there, gave it such negative reviews and it ended up being like a very mixed reviewed film, And so to see it nomine

for Best Picture was surprising. I was surprised. I was actually surprised that earned a negative reaction because I thought it was very effective, But then again, the criticism of it being like Michael Moore the movie, I understand, it's very preachy and like yeah, and like I mean also they're like I just really quickly because we don't need this isn't a vice podcast. But like you know, he the beginning of the movie, he's like this sort of dirt bag and his wife's like straightened up, and then

we cut to him in congress. I just would have liked to have seen where he like what happened, But I thought that was almost a comments on how easy it is for to get in those positions. But was he rich because he was like he was doing power line, I would say he wasn't rich. He was connected, okay, and I think that was because of Lynn and maybe one of his parents spent five d thousand dollars to get him into us. Oh my god, I can't believe that we're recording in March sixteenth. That story is only

four days old. It's psycho and it's already like permeate for me, it's like fully permeated into it's part of the culture. Now culture. Yeah, well, Joel had a good tweet and I heard somebody also say the exact same sentiment on Pod Save America that like it reminded me. I was like, this is the kind of news that we would talk about for two weeks before we were just like Trump every day. It was like not even

it was like twenty four minute news cycle. Yeah, Like seriously, I mean I grew up in the town like where college was so important and like status, like that was so important. You grew up in Connecticut, yes, and every like they printed the list of where everybody went to college in the town paper, like it was like a

huge thing. Like even though Yukon is a wonderful, wonderful school, it was like embarrassing to go to you know what I mean, because you were instead it was easier for you to get in as a Connecticut you know, resident, And like I was like I always heard I mean, I knew idiots that went to good schools because they could play football or like oh their dad is the head of a bank or something like that. So none

of that was surprising to me. The cheating on the tests like the A, C. T and stuff and is so wild like and also the photo shopping of the photo shopping of the water pole of the people. That's like, that's actually stupid. Yeah, that's just plain stupid. Okay, we have a question. How would people feel about people going to Newhaven. We're going to basically just Yale. It was that like a thing where it was like, well it's

just no, no, no Yale. But just within Connecticut. But if you go, if you go, if you went to Columbia and New York, it's still Columbia. Yeah. There the I I went to school in Connecticut, but I went to a private school like I went to and people were like it was all about where it was ranked and blah blah. That is a thing we actually were

talking on. We did an episode recently. We talked about like S A T scores and A C T scores and the ranking of classes not not classes, um, when they would give you in high school, like what rank you were? Did they do this? We had two seventy seven kids in our grade and I remember my rank was like nineteen and it was good, but it wasn't like top twenty good enough, you know what I mean.

It was like it didn't get it. Like I remember, kids were so obsessed with like which number they were, and I was like a little part of me because I was very competitive at the time, being like a closeted kid, like looking for anything that could distinguish me and say, look, I'm good because of this reason. But I remember thinking in the back of my mom, like the rational part of me was like, maybe they shouldn't tell us that they shouldn't. That's so, that's so, I mean,

I get valedictorian, I guess and in or whatever. But like my mom was valedictorian and she went to the University of Rochester because they paid for her to go there, you know what I mean, Like she probably could have gone to an IVY league that maybe didn't give her as much money, like my husband went to just an okay school for free. In retrospect, I should have done that, absolutely,

And it's poison. It's like that. It's like it is that sort of like you know, like patriarchal capitalist bullshit that says compete, compete, compete, and then it's like, wait for what compete to give you more of my money? And that's what it is. Is like I think substantially, what's substantially Subconsciously, what's happening is they're like, yeah, make these kids fucking compete for ship, because at the end of the day, the aspirational colleges are the ones that

cost the most money. Yeah, like I went to ny U, so did Bowing, And that's a fucking hole to dig yourself in, Like financial that doesn't really care about you. It is. Yeah, I mean my school has doubled since I graduated, has doubled. It was like thirty something when I went, now at sixty something. Yeah, I mean yeah we went oh yeah Jesus, Yeah, mine wasn't like the

high thirties. But yeah, it's so crazy. Well, I think I think you have such a I think you you are very You have such a good sense of humor about your upbringing. I think especially on the album where you're just like I'm from Connecticut but like like what you say, Oh, you're like I'm rich person to j Yeah, like I have no money, but like I grew up with so many Ridgeby and I have rich friends from summer camp and like I just have friends that are

so loaded on another level. Um, I mean we were that fused with me when I was at y U. I was like, oh there, this is just yeah, Well, people would like like take note of where the town I was from, and then they'd be like, where'd you go to high school? And I'd go New Cana in high school, the public schoo maybe like oh, like why didn't you go to boarding And I'm like, because it's one of the best public schools. That's why my parents

moved there. What are you talking about. I mean, I'm one of six kids, so it's like we weren't like all getting our own car and all getting to go to private school, do you know what I mean? Like, so, yeah, like I remember being blown away by the money when

I'm even growing up in a rich town. I was blown away by the money when I went to college because of my class went to private school or boarding school, and then I was part of the thirty that went to lowly public schools, which are probably all some of the greatest public So yeah, I identify with that because a lot of my friends they were like I had had a lot of money and it's just it's but

we didn't. We were middle class. But it was just interesting, like to watch them pick schools to go do and like the cultural conversation around college amongst those people because Long Island is very Maybe maybe Connecticut like this too, I'm not sure. I'm sure it's similar, but it's like you have very well to do people and then you can go two streets over and there's people that are like barely getting by. Yeah, town to town, it's like that.

I mean, my town was pretty much all like one, you know, and so for that to all get mixed in, Like when people were getting their decisions from colleges back, it was like, wow, it's not merit based where you're going to go if there's so many other things to consider.

And I think if if seventeen and eighteen year olds were actually more aware of the financial realities, they would be kind of more open to doing alternative things like maybe not going to school right away, or going to vocational school or going to the trade school or something like that. In California, it's actually my friend was telling me it's like very popular in California, like do community college for a couple of years and then go to a bigger and then go to another school like which

which I dig it's the smart thing to do. I really think I think everybody should take a couple of years off between high school and college and I never thought that when I was younger, and my dad would say that to me, and I'll be like, whatever, Dad, And now I'm like I was seventeen when I went to college, Like what did I know about anything? I picked the dumbest classes. I mean, I was a theater major, right,

what who let me do it? I mean I ended up doubling in English because my mom was like, please don't embarrass me, but but like, but think about major

and equally useless major. Yeah. I think if you would think about why you went to school at seventeen eighteen, though it's just because that was the expectation, not because anyway were you like and even if you were quote unquote ready, like you wouldn't know that and even know the difference between being ready and not ready to move the funk out of your house totally, Like I don't know.

I think traveling is That's what I mean, Like, go do some volunteer program or something wild I don't know, or just like have no reins, and then you will find the thing that you will want to learn more

about and be interested in. And then you followed that instinct and then you learned that because like I fucking made your in chemistry when I was seventeen too, and I was like, oh, I guess this is what I should like because you know you were going to go Premac exactly, and I guess this is what I should do. And then it was a total force And its like I do consider most of college being wasted time for me,

which sucks. So it's not wasted for me because because of the friendships I made and the community, right, But that is like that I don't know the money is. So I'm like, I definitely learned how to like think critically and like write a good essay, which I feel like I kind of knew before I went. But also I have great friends from there. I had the best time.

I was wasted all the time. Was that worth? Like even now in our careers where it's like, well, I worked on a I've been auditioning, and I've worked on pilot presentations and I've done this, I guess I've met cool people and make connections, but like you can't quantify that, should either? Well, I think that's what's actually kind of a little bit cool about show business in a way, is that like when I went to the Page program,

like that was like a very competitive program. The people went to schools I've never heard of, but for like I was in it with like a couple of Princeton's or whatever, but people that went to schools I never heard of. And I was like, Oh, this business doesn't

care about college. Really, they do not give a ship that I went to a college that was like in the top colleges, like you yeah, exactly, like I think n y In retrospect, I'm like, I should have gone to n y U because I would have met more people that I ended up meeting later and I would have started UCB sooner and like blah blah blah, you know,

like it would have been a quicker road. But that is kind of and I definitely think that show businesses a lot about connections, but I don't think it's about education as much, and like, um, like privilege, but like it's not about like money and upbringing in like like that kind of stuff as much. Even though here we sit talking about Lori Laughlin's daughters, like going, okay, so

we have Bette Miller, Okay, what else do we have? Okay? Okay, Just like stuff that I was really into when I was that was like Okay, that's it, or even like lately or okay, well like what am I into now? Yeah? Okay, I mean like, well I told Matt this when we got together a few weeks ago. I am a um late convert but fully obsessed drag races like talk talk us through your journey. My journey is? My journey is I have a gay brother who also was pre med and it's also very funny, And did you ceb classes

and made the choice to go to a doctor? Now now he's the funniest. He's a doctor and he's very funny. He's been he is in his residency for neurology at Yale. Right now I have a question is now he has a boyfriend who we love. Okay, he met him a medical school. So I need them to like support me if this doesn't work out. So I need them to say that that double doctor income we love. No, and so did he introduce you? So he for years was like watch us, watch watches you love it. I was like,

what a column. I just can't. I can't get into something that's nine seasons in or eight seasons in like plus also I was like it's it's it's overwhelming. So then he finally came to l A like or he came out to l A like a year ago. Truly, I'm coming up on my one year of getting into drag Race anniversary. He came to l A. He logged me into his on my Apple TV to his Apple accountant, he has every season purchased, and I was like, well, now I have no excuse. My husband went to Australia

for two weeks. I was like kind of hanging around a little bit. I just started with season four and fully, you did it right. That's what he told me to do, and that's that's a doctor, doctor, and I just got so obsessed with it. But here's the other thing that really pulled me in was I started watching YouTube Trick and Show and I found it so funny that I was like, oh, if this is what it's like, I

want to watch the show. And so I started watching four. Five, Then I think I may have skipped to seven because I just wanted to see Tricky. Went back to six, then I did All Stars eight, nine, Like, I'm fully caught up. I just last week started on once I started season one. The lighting light it really is. But I am so like truly like I started in March.

By May, I went to Drag Con like I went to see Work the World in October with we Like I just like now Elliott will just hit me up for anything drag and I'm like, yes, I want to go to all that I was living in who and I would go to some of the viewing parties like like Blazing Saddles and Flaming Saddle excuse me, it's climbing Saddles and uh. And I just like love it so much that I cannot believe I resisted or that this hasn't been a part of my life for my entire life.

That's beautiful. I'm just really quickly. I want to say I've been trying to convince my sister to watch it since day one, and she's like been like, Okay, maybe yes, And Sister, I was you, yeah, you gotta just make that. And I even had watched like the first episode of season one and four and was like, Okay, this is like Project Runway or whatever with Drag Queens. I got it.

But then you were like it's every reality show and it's like it's He's like I love what a genius Rue Paul is with like the Mark like just how I know every day what he's going to say at the exact same time, and like he's really he's very very good. It's an extremely good reality show. I think it's probably the best reality show and competitive reality show out there. And I recently got my husband into it.

He started with me on the last All Stars Loves Lily sits there and he goes, I just don't know. He's like, I know Manilla is a comedy queen, but I mean he like he like goes into full like analysis of it, and it's so funny. It's awesome. So let's just talk about because this is the last completed season was All Stars three. What did you think of

the that was disappointed? Yeah, I was disappointed, Like I really thought Manilla should have been in the top and I I understand life, it's not fair, Naomi, but I just I don't know. I felt like and then it's like I didn't think Money was the strongest. I love Money, that I didn't think she was of the strongest of the ten. And then I felt like I was like, well, I know that they're trying to make more like diverse

decisions of who gets in there. We didn't want to have like just another white queen in there, but like, honestly should have probably even though I'm a huge tricksy stand it should have gone to she Angel last, and then we wouldn't have been in this predicament. I think they shut themselves in the foot by doing too many Shenanigans. Now they have to answer that with more Shenanigan and it's like they only start do they start with ten or nine? They started ten and then like to win

like of the competition. Yeah, like it's just I don't know. I was disappointed. It was disappointed, you know, but it was a season that was all over the place where it was like it started out kind of in the middle and then it like dipped and then got really good and then like the Lalla Perusa thing was genius.

I thought, like genius TV to just do like an episode of Lips, and I was like, I love this, this is okay cool, Like they're still inventing new ways to like I always am surprised how they come up with new stuffs. Like it's like eleven seasons plus four all stars in and they're still like twist, Like I love It's crazy to think there's been actually fifteen seasons. I mean it is like overwhelming at this point till like you go, are you guys loving the current? Um?

I just came from a recap podcast and we my thing is and uh, this this sounds very this sounds very toxic, congross and disgusting. But I promise it's just like my take on this. And I was watching this most recent episode with Joel it was the sixth person lipsing for your life. Um. And and then this is way beforehand, like I was watching the Challenge Player and I turned into a like goes, this is why I'm not really connecting with this season yet, because no one

is like, no one is like a brilliant mind. No, I'm not looking at any of these queens and thinking, wow, what is their brain? Like it's like with with cod or like Alaska or Bob or Bianca or like Sasha even or like Asia German. I mean there's like people

I love on it. I mean, you know, I love um Jenks so much at these like a friend of the pod, friend of the pod, these people who are just like wow, like you were just so like you were so like eccentric is not the right word, but you're just like you were forward thinking for pushing pushing the art form, whereas it literally feels like all of these queens are And again what I also said is

let's get yet. It's early. But I do feel like a lot of these queens are like, Oh, there's the Kennedy Davenport, there's the one that's like Sharon, there's the one that's like this. It's like we've we're not seeing queens that are doing truly new things. And I think it's it's it's two things. It's a the show getting a little lazy and casting just because it is season eleven, and be because we have seen so many kinds of queen it's getting hard to see something we've never seen before.

To the vocabulary of the fans is for better or worse, Like now we all feel like we know everything. I'd say Evy is the closest we're getting to that probably interested in Evy oddly, and I just and I know that she is a version of a queen we've seen before, But I'm like, really rooting for a Carria Davenport. I like, yeah, I like because I was a Kennedy Davenport fan in

season seven, Like when I got down to it. When it was like ginger Mine, Violet Pearl and Kennedy and Kennedy didn't make the top three, I was like, that feels really wrong. Yeah, that feels really wrong to me, like that Pearl is in the top three and not Kennedy is like Kennedy if if if Kennedy Davenport drank

a red bull. I remember Kennedy being a little sleepy, and that's actually part of her charm for me, you know what I mean, just kind of like this that's seen the whole world, and like it's like letting the children play, Like I love that. But then when she dances, she's fully set Jackson. It's insane, and I love that dichotomy. And I'm just like usually gagged for what she wears

on the runway too. So I just thought, and also I have such a respect for this like Southern pageant drag because I think it takes so much to be so fabulous like and so bold in a place part of the country where obviously it's not easy. So I feel like that's really like o G drag um. It's honoring tradition, it's honoring and I think we haven't seen someone like that win, and I think Asia Harrick got close.

But Akuria Davenport I like her and I'm into her because what she is and what she where she comes from. There's a few that I think are fun. I just think there are so many that are clearly going to be eliminated so quickly that I'm like, we gotta fast forward like four episodes because I know who the next four people are that our leave. I think, Yeah, in other seasons, I've been like, I don't know the first couple. You're usually like, okay, I'm dying over Vanjie this season.

I remember watching season ten, that was the season time was the first one I watched, like in time with the rest of the world, and I was like, why are they letting this woman go? Why are they letting this person go? Like this is this this woman? This woman?

Like when was like let the woman do her makeup when someone was bothering someone else and that's so I was just like, this is like this beautiful drag queen who when they open their mouth they sound like yeah, like they gruff and like what she says it's so funny, Like I can't believe. Honestly, I didn't think her outfit sucked or whatever, but why are you letting such good TV?

That's the thing is, It's like, that's why we're latching onto Vanjie is because we haven't seen anything like her before. But the reason I felt the same way premiere of Tin was like, don't let her go because she's opened her match. She's like fucking Melissa Edwards now. But the thing about letting her go and remifying her in the way that they did, and now she is but she

is here to stay. She is here to stay. I think she'll either make the top four or get cut fifth place, and it will be a huge ap set and everyone will be mad. Even if it's not an upset, She'll still have been in every episode, which is really what counts, you know what I mean? Those checks like get that fucking like like Cameron Michael's your way to the end. Oh I mean, well, like, I mean, the

woman got her money. Now she's like headlining all the tours because you get to see her perform because no woman can perform. And you're going to see Cameron on All Stars. So then do you, well, do you have a special relationship with ten then? Because it's the it's the first season you started watching with the rest of the world or not. No, I don't think so. I mean I was. I was like excited to be watching it with everybody else, and I was like reading your

guys recaps and stuff on, which were so fun. Previously had not been able to engage with the internet any of the other seasons. But um, I don't know, I don't know. I love. I just feel like I loved certain queens throughout and I'm not there's not like a certain season that I'm like access to it. But it's hard. It's hard when you watch it. I watched it that's so back to back, like it was like an all consuming diet. Like yeah, so it's almost hard to separate

the season that way. But I did like for ten, like I went to bars and to watch it with other people is so fun, and like I met Mayhem and Mickey's she could not have given a ship, but I was like, I love you can take a picture. She hated me. It was so fun. She was she was nice. She was she was just like disinterested and wanted to get on. I think, did you have a favorite spot in l A that you watched it? Um, well, I've watched it now at Mickey's and Flaming Saddles. I

would love to go. Yeah, that's formerly Barten. Yeah, I went to after I watched and watched a drag show one time because like it turns into makes Thursday into this like whole drag knight. So I went. I went to when it was Parten famously went and and caught the post RP d R drag show that they do. See there's no drag show at hide Tops afterwards, but you can probably find one pretty easily. Oh yeah. And

then in New York, oh yeah. And then in New York, I saw you when I went to go see I went with Drew Anderson to go see Britta Filter know. It was that therapy, Yeah, and I thought you and you were with this whole group of guys and Joel and I go, where's Bowen? And you were sick. I was sick. That was therapy. And then also Joel had to get on stage and he showed his little tightly remember, yeah,

and that was shocking. And that was the first time I saw Joel's asked well first and the only time I saw Joel's ass, And I'm like, oh, he misses no squats right right, but was and like he was paired up with like a hairy hairy man who was not in the same physical shape as Joel, which no shame, but it was just it was it's hard to be It was like, I feel bad that you had to come up here with Joel who is like literally marble

butt cheeks. It was very bad. But usually we watched it at a hotel, um, but now they have like a Thursday night conflict, so you can't watch it there. But it sucks because when we watched season nine at a hotel, and I feel that season nine was one of the stronger seasons, especially as it got going. Yeah, like I felt like the top seven of season nine, like as it really got to the top five, top four, and then when it ended in that epic lip sync SmackDown,

I get so emotional. Yeah, I mean that was like an iconic moment. And to watch that happen with hundreds of gays in the basement of a hotel was like so insane. Talk about it come from behind shocking victory. Yeah, yeah, that was amazing. I think watching it with other people, it's like so so so fun. So hopefully my baby can be I was going to say, they we'll have to love it. I mean, I'll bring there's I was planning to bring the baby to drag Con because it's

very chill a drag Con. I like kids there. You can drag up the strollers. Yeah, there's so much space, like I wouldn't feel like I was. You know, I don't wait in lines really, Like I got to meet Alaska through a friend, and I got to meet something through friends. But I don't really can't wait a line. But I don't know. I would love to be able to get a babysitter on Thursdays, and we have. Honestly, we got a babysitter. But the thing is, I get

nervous about babysitters when the babies are really little. Sure, right, yeah, but also if they're starting to sleep through the night, you just need a body to sit there exactly. There you go. It just takes down the road. That's probably season thirteen or season twelve. Don't you think is um Britta gonna do season twelve? This was the rumor I heard, probably from the same source. What we are hearing is

that Britta will be on the show. But I don't want to say too much because it's weird because like, obviously you don't know until someone's in the room shooting it. But I think that they've I think that they have reached out, and I think that I think that obviously. I mean, look, that's not even t that's just like she's Britta Filter. I mean, she's the drag queen of New York. She was so good, like she's Drew's rack

and was like, this is such a fun show. And even the girl she was with that night, who I don't remember her name, but was doing these really funny Adams family values monologues and stuff that we're cracking me up. Like, I mean, I forgot. She kind of had like a Celine Dion look to her face tiny. Oh my god, was it Chelsea Pierce? No, I don't know. We love Chelsea anyway. I thought Britta was like fantastic. I was

just like, she's magnets, She's incredible. And I also think, like I think that Bretta doesn't want to go on the show unless she's gonna win. I think because I think Britta wants to be like a rupehole. I think Britta is good enough and driven enough and works hard enough for a time that turns she she blew my mind, Oscar too. You remember this name. I remember this is

like five years ago. We booked her for Ethnic Realness and she did a lip sync where she basically just did like a bunch of songs and then it would cut into like Key and Peel sketches, and she would lip sync the entirety of Key and both their dialogue, and it was just I was like, she's so good and honestly, she can do it all. But I think I think that she just I think she wants to win the show, and I think she doesn't want She

didn't want to go on too earlier. It's well, yeah, somebody told me she was waiting to get better at sewing. See like she like is that's that is very remarkable. That's so smart. Yeah, and I think she definitely has a shot. But it's like, but then it's like you hear about the mayhemist who go on the show, and those are like the brit of filters of l A and then and then they get they get booted on the third episode. I think it's it also just comes

down to what kind of person you want? Are you the kind of person who deals well in a competitive setting or high pressure environment because just performing and you freaking out in the second challenge, getting in her head. She needs to take a uc BE class and don't think I know, but I think that is the key. It's just kind of like, don't judge yourself, just go there and do you. But that's hard for some people.

You know, what's funny to watch or it's sad to watch a little bit, But I think Tammy Brown is so funny. And I'm watching her on season one and she just nobody gets what she's doing. They're all just like she's like and now she's so like probably the more successful than most of them. Well I think I think, yeah, there's Baby's horror from season one and on China and then who like then there's like, yeah, like Nina is still doing gigs in Denver, and like Nina deserves like

a bigger career. But it's like Tammy. It's like she's the but Tammy's Tammy's faces, It all stars one amazing. She's just like like the judges are critiquing her, she's like also she does the lips thin where she doesn't do it. She is bopping like a wedding, like it's so good. Honestly, I would have for a brazen like I'm not doing, like I don't know the words, but like no, I'm not not gonna do. Also, I don't see you out there walking children in nature. I haven't

gotten to that. That's reunion children in nature. And also excuse your mouth, to excuse your excuse your mouth. I've been told that that's all in the Ringnion episode that I need to get to. Yeah, no, it's iconic, but the thing is, and RuPaul was so mad. This is when RuPaul like allowed himself to like look like a little rough, like like up was like, Dammy, it's not my problem, it's your problem. It's not my fault that you look bad. It's your fault. You're the one I

the opportunity. And RuPaul screaming yeah, and it's like Tyra and she says and Tammy goes, excuse your mouth. Yeah it's good. Well I just like, I mean, I think that she's channeling Tire the whole time, right, as well as other as well as a million other pieces. Paris is burning like all these different things. But um well, now I feel like nowadays RuPaul would never allow himself to just be right in that way because he knows

how reunion though. I was gonna say, but even with even with Asia and with um the Vixen, I didn't think that he really went to times crazy, but he that was definitely more than we've seen. And I mean, honestly, that was more sort of Asia breaking down. And I think I think that is an iconic move. It is iconic. Would you mean the obviously someone who's crying on for hope. It's it's actually a beautiful moment of vulnerability. And I will forever I will follow Asia to the end of Yeah.

But you know that Asia went back like like they were the victims, Like, no, bitch, that's not what it was. That was like, oh my god, I'm fine. I just didn't want to be there anymore because it was whack not work the world Asia, Asia pays homage to the butterflies. It's so she needs to have a press release for this migration this week. Have you noticed I haven't seen a single one. I was driving in Silver like the other day and they were just swooping in front of

my car. It was like amazing, And my husbands go, I think you're lying to me about Joel and I went on a hike and running, and they were all around us. It was beautiful, all around us, all around us. About that time. It's about that time. It's about that time to do. I don't think so, and I don't

think so. I don't think so, honey. Is our one minute segment that we take to take a minute, a literal minute, to rail against something in pop culture that needs to be dressed down because well, we don't like it. We don't like it very much. I don't like that very much. Um, shall I go first? You should go first, as a traditional, as a tradition. Okay, I will now hand my phone. They can put me on the clock, is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many as time

starts now, I don't think so, honey. Flash mob wedding proposals because it's just not only is it not smart, because here's the thing, there is not just one answer you could get. There are two, and uh, you know that's like high risk, hy risk, high reward. But I don't think so, honey. If the person says no, then

you've wasted everyone's time, in fact, hundreds of people's time. Also, I don't think so, honey, flash mob wedding proposals, because like it's really for you, you know what I mean, and is not a marriage, you know what I mean. That's not really taking into account unless your person said I want a flash mob wedding proposal. I don't think so, honey. And also if you are saying I want a flash mob wedding proposal, I do not think so, honey. You

fucking narcissist. Everything is psychotic. Also choreography. In these settings, you're telling me you called a rehearsal for your flash mob wedding proposal. Did you pay everyone? You paid everyone? I don't think so, honey. I don't think you paid everyone an equal wage. I don't miss, honey. Flash mob wedding proposals quiet night on a rooftop with the moon in view, and that's one minute. Wow, Oh my god, that's like my wedding proposal was like that. It was

balcony nighttime. Here's the thing. I did once cry to a flash mob wedding proposal video, But that was obviously because the girl like really really really was so overwhelmingly happy the whole time. But I was like, otherwise, it's like I don't know, it's just there's too many opportunities for it to go the other way. And then what it's just like, it's not it's supposed to be about you guys, Like why are there a hundred people involved it?

We shouldn't need it. We shouldn't need like a union lunch break for my wedding proposal, you know what I mean, crap services. My wedding proposal was catered. Also, your wedding will not live up to and if it does, you are the one said, And I don't think so, honey. It is such a gamble. God black, I'm black, all right, So this is what about? What about? What about a flash mob promposal? Yeah? I love that's fine. Love that

the worst, the worst thing that can happen. Those those stakes also love that because if they say no, that's just funny. Yeah, you know what I mean, it's not tragic. Lot of trouble. I'm actually going with todd Um. He just asked me two minutes ago. And then he's like in the chornography, he's like, yeah, I didn't tell you

because I hate you. This is yangs. I don't think so, honey, And as time starts now, I don't think so, honey, Carly Rae Jepson, you have not evolved, honey, and I needed you to promised us a disco inspired album, and we have you have not delivered on that promise. And it's the same bubble gummy stuff. I'm not gonna call it drivel. I don't mind it, but there it's been. There's been no topography to your music. I am gonna liberate everyone out there who loves Carly Ray. We love

the new stuff, but is it something that she? Is it something that she It's a straight line. I want an uphill trajectory for her, okay. I need I need her to be a slope to this. I need her to progress and involved as an artist. I don't want her. I don't want us gaze to keep her in a container and tell her to stay there, and then we're just gonna clap for every few years like she's sucking tinker balance. She can't change up her look or change

up her sound fifty and she needs to evolve. She promised his disco and it's the same stuff and so here and this is I this is a clarion call everyone out there. We need to demand more of our pop stars. We cannot demand them to be the same person. And that's one minute. I have to say, the energy in this room from the three of us watching you do that, it was as if you said a slur. Yeah it was. I was taken, aback. I can't believe everyone. I was really afraid to say this, but love love

the new stuff. But I'm also like, but it feels so what if it feels flat? It feels it feels like a watch And we've seen people do the same, same, same and then disappear. And you want Carl, you want more for carlire for Carly like this, then it's hard to just write hit songs when the bar is so hot, bar so high. For her, absolutely, but then she was she was like hinting at all this evolution that as of now maybe once sounds like it even sounds like not a regression back to kiss, but it sounds like

it's on par with emotion, which we don't mind. But it's like she like she was building up to something with like and then one of the best albums ever, then side B, then then then the B sides and then cut to the Feeling as this promotional single that would like blew everyone's mind. And now it's like, Okay, well, now it's like the is the traction there is it? Is it getting going to where it wants? Where she

wants to go? I think if she like came out with something she promised, like disco and it hasn't really built that, Yeah, I mean, I understand, get it. You explain yourself. Well, I'm just shocked to hear it anyway. I just I think, I think I'm not I'm not alone in this, and so I think other people if you, if you agree, if you're sharing the sentiment, sentiment I still adore her and obsessed with her, you wouldn't be talking about it if you didn't care, you know exactly,

You wouldn't be talking about it if you didn't care. Yeah, all right, there you go. So now we pivot from that. So can this be okay? This can be like the way that they are in the live shows sort of where it's like it doesn't have to necessarily be whatever your yes, this is. I don't think so, honey, her time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Women that are bragging about having an unmedicated birth, what is wrong

with you? Like we have as mankind, we have developed the drugs that will make this so much easier for you, And you want to be some kind of hero warrior spirit woman that does it without drugs. I guess let's pin a metal on your already engorged chest. I don't understand why that would be fun for you. You never hear somebody go, I got my appendix out unmedicated, brave, Like it's a fucking huge ordeal on your body. Why would I not take something to numb me from the

waist down? It's so wild to me. I just watched a unmedicated childbirth video in a childbirth class last week, and honestly, it didn't look fun. And at the end, we're both going to have babies. I want the drugs five minutes before I walk in the door, drugs immediately. And I think you trying to act like you're better than me, And that's that is beautiful, because it's not more enriching to like I truly, I used to hear people say stuff like you're so out of it. I'm like,

it's not a drug on your brain. It literally just numbs the bottom part of you. Is the is the sort of idea behind this that taking no drugs is quote unquote less risk for the baby. Is that what it is? The only con that I've heard is it a blood pressure thing. It can spike your blood pressure. I've had zero blood pressure problems. If you have a blood pressure problem, obviously, I'm not telling you to go take the drugs, and you do what your doctor tells

you to do and what you feel best with. Of course, I'm mostly joking about this, but I was in this class where we all went around and I was like kind of one of the first people, and I go and I want the drugs, like immediately, and I got to laugh. And then nine out of the ten women were like, I'd like to go unmedicated for as long as the best of luck that said they did that begged for the drugs. Also, if anything, it's the pain

of being unmedicated that takes you out of it. And also, Yeah, what you don't want is to say no drugs, no drugs, and then it becomes too late. Yeah, you missed the window. You do miss the window where they're like I've had friends say that, they're like I want the drugs and they're like, holy, can't anymore? Oh my god. That that has to be the worst thing to hear. Yeah, like being in so much pain that you begged for they say no, and to know that it's only going to

get worse. Yeah, my friend went for her first kid had it and then the second one she was too late just getting to the hospital. She was too late and she was like, what a different experience, Like I just God shook. You are like, just like I want those drugs a SAP. I told my doctor this yesterday. It's actually a real culture number nineteen. I want those drugs that goes for me in any circumstances. Um. Wow,

this was a fucking very fun episode. Thank you for sharing, for being for having us to be part of this pregnancy. Because we are we are the baby's godfather. You are you fully are as a Jew that doesn't do godparents, you are fully the god then why not? Right? Um? So the album is out, Yes, it's on iTunes. Please help me feed my child. It's such a good album. We love it so much. And um, check out Kara's

other stuff y'all. And the show is, um every yeah, my show every Thursday in West Hollywood at Barlou Bitch. It's called Better Half. Are you still doing if you build it? If you build. It is in New York. New York was on both coasts, but recently UCB Sunset is closed on Sundays, and so now I'll be doing it probably sporadically out here, but in New York it's a Sunday night show at UCB. It's subculture and it's

a really great show. Yeah, and I'm gonna have um Matt Rogers on my show before he leaves l A. It's probably too late for you, but I would love for you to do it next time you leave tomorrow. But yeah, I'd love to have you on the ken Kars. Can you guys? This was so fun and thank you for being here. And we end every episode with the song of the song baby Baby, Baby, Baby, Baby Baby Want It's too late Forever This has been a Forever Dog production executive produced by Brett Bahum, Joe Silio, and

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