"I Used To Blow Guys" (w/ Jessi Klein)

I heard it was a double I hear it was a double ear infection, double ear infection in one ear, an outer and inner ear infection. I can not here out of my right ear. It is a challenge. And they've got me on a steroid right now, Bo that I'm really sorry. I'm not using it at the gym because I think I could, like, you know, not to not blow the load on the book here. But mom left a car, you know, like when a mom car on the steroid they have me on from my ear infection.

I think I lift a car. We'll get ready for your nipples to look insane. You're not going on s forbid you? Well, it's too late, Bow, because on Wednesday I went in and they put me on antbiotics and gave me a shot of steroids in the ass, and today I got another one because my ear infection refuses to tame. This is actually, this is really actually freaking me. I'm really scared. I'm so scared. Oh no, and I'm sorry. I'm not being like, I'm not like assuaging anything. You

are being perfect. Can I say something? You're being perfect? Want of a wife? Because you're being something, say I'm story stewarding you. As we've learned from Atlas of the Heart by Bernie Brown. Atlas of the Heart, everyone must watch. Everyone must watch Atlas of the Heart because I took notes. I told you I took notes. I took notes mentally, I didn't write anything down, but I am of Atlas

of the Heart today in a sorry industry term. In general, I was like, you have to watch Atlas of the Heart and the one where they were okay, well, she literally had the book like when I described it to her, she kind of like checked out and like wasn't making eye contact with me over zoom and I was like, okay, so I guess you I don't know what you're trying to communicate with me to me, not nonverbally, are you

are you interested? Are you not? Here was my sort of vibe in in absorbing Brenne Brown, and I would say to anyone at any general or or or outside of a general, what you're gonna want to do is you're gonna want to drink one of these thhc Seltzer's by wonder from higher vibes. We're not getting an ad. But this is not an ad. It's just me sort of just extolling praise on this beverage which I'm drinking,

a BlackBerry lemon beverage. God. And I sat here and I was so touched by what Brenne was saying that I wrote down these things. Connection is a listening and believing Okay, look at this. Nothingness is the answer to overwhelm. If you don't feel overwhelmed, the answer is to just do nothing, sit down, do nothing if you can, not if you're a mother, not if you're parents. The enemy of connection is control. That was like the last episode.

I know all of this, Honey, you don't have to tell me when I saw the enemy of connection is control. That really it really was a watershed bernet. It's actually rule culture number forty four has a way, and I

was just totally overwhelmed by all of this. And honestly, I'm employing a lot of these these sort of mantras because when I tell you, the ear infection comes a day before I need to fly to New York to do Watch What Happens Live, which readers of this podcast, no, is my one true drink huge and I will not allow an ear infection to stop me from promoting the upcoming I love that for you on the television program Watch What Happens Live. Now, that's interesting because it's also

a segue bow. It's also a segue. But can I just really quickly propose that you ask you pull a Mariah Carey famous the Mariah carry on Watch what Happens Well, I've asked Andy to flip to the other side so that they could get her good side. And I think if you can't hear, if you're out of your right ear, then that means you have to sort of flip over in order to hear best. I should sit in Andy seat so that my left ear can be nearest to the grand dumb herself, car and Andy Cohen Andrew Cohne.

I will not allow any ear nonsense. And I know, I know historically they're exacerbated by flights, but I will not let us stop me. I'm going to New York and by the time this airs, the episode will have air and have watched What Happens Live by the time you listen to this podcast episode, I should say, and so just pray that I made it, and pray that on April seventeen, if I was on watch It Happens Live with Karen Huger. Honey, You're going to do great.

This is one of those things where like you deserve this more than anybody I know. Thank you. I excited. Yes, do you do you agree? I actually think I've put in the hard yards and I think if I'm gonna have my very first televised talk show appearance and has to be watched it Happens Live. When they told me it was with Karen Hugar, I fell out of my chair. I was one of the best on the show. I love that for you, getting ready for my big take, and they told me it was Karen Huger, and I

fell out of the chair. No one could understand why I was so by. My faculties were so gone, but wow, Wow, I'm so excited. I'm so excited for you going on watch it Happens Life to promote I Love That for You, premiering on Showtime April what twenty ninth streaming and it airs on Sunday, May one. I don't understand it, but that's what's happening. And apparently there's a president for the streaming on Friday's. We don't We don't have to get it. We don't have to get it to get into that's

not our job. But here's the thing about our guests. The showrunner, the show runner, most powerful person in Hollywood. One might say, I feel like this, this is a major moment. I have loved this person for such a long time. Hello, Hello, I I just have to say, like, when I first met the guest, it was my callback audition for I Love That for You, And I was very nervous to meet her because then it's like a thing of you have to go be funny in front

of the funniest person. What And she's someone who's like, she's not like these other people who like not like the other girls dip their to not like the other girls who dip their toe into like memoir essays and you know, kind of phone it in. This is this is long form. She's a long form writer writing. It's writing Capital W. And the guest is such an amazing writer. And the new book, which is out April, it's called I'll Show Myself Out. It's stays on midlife and motherhood.

I am absolutely loving this and it's really caused me to I don't know about you, bo, but like really renegotiate and like think again about me being a child and thinking more and really considering my mother in a way that I never had until reading this. And I just can't say enough about it. It's so funny, it's so it's so smart, it's the right so like, oh my god, like I've never seen that sense before. It hits, it hits. I just finished it today. I loved it.

Just the end is really special. Yes, let's tell us to her in person while we look at her through this. We're going to tell this to her in person. And um, listen, I mean you may know and love our guests. Actually, we spoke about voiceover before beak behind the Curtain. We were all chatting about, you know, setting up tech to record our voices during the pandemic. You may know our guests as Jesse on Big Mouth. Okay, so that's sort of an on camera extraordinaire animated send and then also

Emmy winner for Inside. Amy Schumer truly one of those people that's that's worked on everything good and that will continue because when I tell you, she's just such an incredible force behind I love that for you the series I'm lucky enough to be on with Vanessa bay Or, Molly Shan and Jennifer Lewis at all. I'm just so excited to work with this person, and I'm just incredibly bowled over and honored that she's here to be on Lost Cultures. That's so please welcome into your ears. Jesse Claude.

Oh my god, you guys. I don't know if I want to cry or throw up or both. It might be booth my hair moment. Guys are so nice. Thank you for saying such nice things. I am truly flipping

out to be on this with you, guys. Deservings. I I told you, but right before we started recording, um, your last book You'll go out of it was like my last great like subway read and like it was it was just but it was just one of those books where I was like, damn, like I feel like she's really you write with I don't know, such like a crispness, and I don't I don't mean to throw these words in you like I don't know, sound a little I don't know, just like out of like it's

the source or something. But like it was, I don't know, it's it's just it's it's it's a really sharp book. And I and the reading this, I was like kind of expecting something similar, but this is totally structured in such an interesting different way that I was like once again sort of blown away by like the thing you're trying to write being so unlike a lot of things that like people who work in comedy do that. Does

that make sense? No? I um, well again, I'm just I'm so, I'm so glad you read the first one. On the subway. Um on the subway or on the toilet is really where I want my words to be good all the books. So I'm telling you, I wish I could bead on the subway more. Sorry, sorry to listen. Wise, maybe got a little daisy, but you know, so that leaves us with the toilet. I guess, but and I do believe in like having a book by the toilet. I just I'm not trying to be like a flip

in about it. I think that's a great a great place to eat, but um, it's so funny. Like that first book, I was really kind of unemployed when I got, like, not really the offer to write the book. I was hooked up with a book agent by my manager at the time, and I was really kind of I guess. I think we had just finished shooting the first season of Inside Ami Schumer, and so we didn't know that people would like it. We didn't know if it would

come back. I started. I mean, I liked it, but I just assumed most things don't really go the way you want them too. So I kind of was I was out of a job. I didn't have anything else

to do. And then um, I met this book agent, David Keuton, who was very encouraging and had read just like little bits and pieces of things I had, I don't know, little essays here and there that were around maybe internets or something, and anyway, I just wrote it really kind of on like a lark, Like we shopped it and someone bought it, and I just was like, oh books, don't No one cares about a book. But what I have to do? I mean, I was just

wandering these streets. I had nothing, and I would go sit at a little like cupcake wine shop, you know where I was living in New York at the time. Just you're welcome, and just got like a cupcake and a glass of wine at like a tight eleven thirty am and just type away. And then they became a book. It became a book. But like, I still think about versus wolves all the time. I still versus wools, poodles

and walls. I think about this se you wrote about working at SNL and just thinking in terms of like the the the different levels of like not envy that you feel, but like the levels of like, man, I wish I could be in that place. And then you get to the place and you're like, I wish you could mean this other more inner circle of the place.

And then you get into that inner circle and then you're like, oh, there's yet another inner circle that I want to try and get into and like and it just leads like into the deepest part of Lauren's brain, Like how can I just go into like Laurence exactly of a sudden, I look the same as hers. Everything is the same. It's the same, it's the same, it's

the same. But that But then I think it, like was why didn't like scolpted it out to like this concept of like and this was like when we were starting to like figure out that this was like a thing that everyone was doing dealing with the social media, Like when you see someone's like beach vacation photos, like try to like resist that or to be like I wish I was there, because once you're there, you're like, oh,

it's not what I thought it would be. Anyway, I just think that that what like you like we're able to take like this NL sort of narrative and then like make it seem very universal and anyway, I just the like not being a mother. I like read this this new book, and I was like, damn, like how am I? It's it's so wonderful that like I'm able to like read it and go, I'm going to reevaluate

things about my own life. Oh my god. Really Also that's so it's such a relief to hear because I feel like, um, I just sort of knew with this, like I guess my son was maybe like around my son is almost seven now, and I don't know. It just sort of struck me like when he was around like two wish or three ish, like, oh, maybe I would like start to write a book about what this

experience has been like. But and I started talking about at the beginning of the book to like, does anybody give like one hot funk about like reading about parenthood if they're not a parent. I know I've read books where like I didn't care about it so much, but I was like I kind of wanted to just approach it from like this is this is like what I've

been going through. And also like I guess for me being a mother, I did start to reconsider my own relationship with my with both of my parents, but especially my mom, who I you know, I adore and I love her, but I was like, did she feel this level of like get me the funk out of here when I was a kid. And I can't speak for you know, all parents or mothers, but I feel like

if someone says no, they're lying. Well, Yeah. There was a moment where and it was, um, there's a moment in the book where you discuss sitting with Asher trying to get him to use a public restroom, and you're sitting because he's been successfully potty trained at home with the smaller like a hero, peing like a hero at

home in the little plastic patty. I literally I had I had an extreme vivid flashback and actually had to put the book down and like walk around because for the very first time, was transported back to when I was a kid. When I was a small kid, I was definitely afraid of getting the throat culture, like when my throat was hurting. Yeah, and it still bothers me a little bit, but I'm telling you, like Jesse, it was like a thing where I knew I was going to the doctor later in the day and would and

would be fidgety all day and cry. And then I remember one time we didn't even get it successfully because for ninety minutes, when I was like six or seven, I screamed and cried. And this is this is what struck me about it, because it was the very first time reading your book that I act. And this is what what really stirred me and got me got me kind of emotional, was I had never considered my mother

as the main character of that situation. I had never actually thought of her, who she was the only person with me at the time. My father wasn't there, and this older male doctor who was fed up with me and letting my mother know it, and me as a child obviously not having any like permanence outside of myself only being focused on getting this fucking stick out of my mouth and away from me and getting home to

watch TV or whatever. And I had never really thought about what must be going on in my mother's head, you know, as someone who just wants her child to be healthy, who also probably has a thing going on in her brain. Of this doctor is going to think I'm a mother who can't control my son, who also was stressed out because it's so simple, just sit there

and get the throat culture done. It's so easy. He also was stressed out for the child and what they're going through, then maybe even emotionally taking the kid's side, because it is a lot it is going down his throat. It has to be so much. And I'm telling you, your book and your writing and the way that you sort of described the situation got me to consider my mother and my parents in a way that I never

had and it's like that throughout the book. I am sure that is like, truly, you don't even know what it means to me. I mean, I have many things to say. I'm so touched. First of all, I mean, that's like my dream of all this. Here are some notes I was taking my mind while your one. I'm sorry to say if you say the way performance better, No, these are notes. These things I want to say. One, I just want to talk about throw cultures. I still

cannot do them. Culture. It's why why is this still the technology we're using to find out if we have like the thing in the back of the wooden stick on my tongue. Honestly, it creates so much anxiety and stressing me. It's the worst. So poor young Matt Rogers for us still having to do this. Well, that's the first thing. Yeah. Secondly, well, and then I have something to say about your ear infection. Two in a very Jewish one way, I have thoughts for you about the plane.

But that's why I just don't let me forget that, because it's important open to everything. Um. I mean. The other thing is, you know, just like in all the things you're taking off about, like thinking about your mom in the situation, and I've with Asher like going to doctor. I mean, it's better now because he's older, but those moments of holding them down for shots, them screaming, the like truly pleading, it's so heartbreaking and all of them, Yeah,

doctor's judging me and I can't control my kid. But then the one other thing just to say is like, and again, I don't know your mom, but I'm sure she's a perfect person. She's a freaking perfect angel. Who have raised an angel such as yourself, angels raising angels, Like there's also like I mean the pieces where during and also because when kids are really little, you're going to the doctor like every week or at least like

we were at the doctor all the time. But they're just the moments where I like, I just want to be doing something else, like you want to be having a drink. I want to know and like, you know, there was like the thing I talked about the book, like you don't ever leave behind, Like I'm still in shock that I'm a mom, Like I'm I mean, I love my kid and I'm like I do, but I

alway I used to blow guys like that's who I am? Yeah, who I am as someone who blows guys, not someone who sits right, pulls down a kid to get a culture seeming at a baby trying to hold a baby down. I am out doing stand up, like, oh my god, yet something in my throat. I mean it was right there, It was right there, but it's so oh. The other thing is gonna say is I'm also just so sorry to like use the word potty with like to grow an adultmen, because I feel like it's such a disgusting

and masculating word. And anytime I hear the word potty, I feel like everyone's like sex parts full off. I don't think so, honey, just potty. No, But anyway, but that was that little thing is called a potty. But I'm sorry that it's even been raised this early in this No, No, it's actually perfect because I think you comment on the word horny at when point in the book, and you're like, why haven't we as a society come up with a better word than than horny, because because

that feels very like juvenile. The potty, I think is a very latent word in terms of like this story, like if like when my like my sister potty trading her daughter like or just when my sister says, go potty to my niece in front of me, I go, wow, that tells me the story of like the journey that they've been on. Yeah, and I think I think that.

I think the word potty. Once you get to like an adult age, you kind of there's an empathy there even if I even if even even though I don't have kids, I hear someone sat up here and say potty to their child, and I go, oh my god, like the the the insurmountable work that's been put into this, Oh my god. Well you are a true also a little empathetic angel for feeling that because I'm always just very uh it is, I mean, it is sort of

it's crazy. It's kind of like like just once once I found myself doing that, like that chapter that is about like being sitting on the floor of like a Starbucks restroom. I truly think maybe this is where COVID actually started with somehow like some virus like lended it it up. We were Patient zero was just like the germ layers that were created by myself, like being not being while I cried or some tear fell from me onto like a man's fecal germ, and then startups and

now we have covid um. Yeah, just those moments you're not only was I feeling very deeply sorry for myself, but I was just like, God, people have been doing this for ages, and I've never freaking thought about this one. That has to be the thing that you would never think. It's like when you think like, and we're gonna have children, probably something you don't even realize. It's like in the list is probably extremely long, and you do get into

all of it. It seems like you do. Um, but like potty training a child can't be on the brain, can't be on the brain. No, it was just not even a thought. But it's also sort of like I feel like, like I remember as a very young person when I was like first looking for an apartment in New York, and I grew up in Europe, and so I knew, like, what what how hard it would be? Just like that feeling of once you're looking for real estate.

H You're like, it's all you can think about, and it's all you can hear other people talking about for the rest of your life, for the rest of your life, and then you're like, how is it not like all anyone's talking about like all the time. But then that kind of got the planted by by potty training, and that was onto the next thing. I guess it's just as you go through each nightmarish stage of life, you're just like, isn't it Why hasn't everyone talking about this

nightmarish stage of life? But I think that's like the way the way the book is structured is perfect, Okay, so for for for the readers are readers, um, it's this is so I think you set it up chapter It's like it's a Joseph Campbell hero's journey, but like what if the hero's journey is about not going somewhere else, which is what traditionally how they're traditionally frames, but you know,

staying a mother and not running the other way. Um. And then the rest of the book is sort of like you kind of going through each part of that cycle um or the journey itself. And at one point you say, I think in then towards the middle of the book that like being a mom is like giving

birth every day. There's there's something like that just that that's that like rupture is a part of your psyche that you that you never expected you before and honestly, and I don't know, I hope you don't mind me saying this, Like for for for a while, I was like, this is like unrelenting, like like like me reading this book,

I'm just like, there's so much going on here. And then and then of course the last two essays are like so beautifully like rendered that like it all like makes it okay, and it all is like beautiful and wonderful and worthwhile, and I was like, oh my god, thank god, but you really had me at least like nail biting until you end being like is this woman going to be okay? She did? She going to show

over this podcast? Is this like a weird podcast where it's like an am memoriam and like this is recorded today and we're going to put together some clips of other parents. It's just like a fresh air, like a retrospective, retrospective, right satisfy five minute clips from comedies. No, and yeah it is. I it is a little underlanding. But but then like, but the the point of the book is that you survived, and like the survival is like the

is the journey and the survival is the beauty. And then and then not to spoil it, but like the last chapter you kind of describe this fantasy that you want to like ahead to where it's like, you know, you're older son, Asher's in his twenties and you guys meet up like Kathy Clooney and you guys catch up and he's telling you about his work and his life and who he's you know, dating, and this person that he loves. I loved that, and really it really made me feel like I want to be you know what

I've actually tried. I've actually made an effort, but I I want to be more honest with my parents about what's going on in my life, like and I mean sometimes I know they listen to the podcast and get like a horrifying like a little clip of what's happening in my life, like whatever fucking sexual journey I'm on that I think that they are. But the thing is, like, um, I wonder it is that thing of like you negotiate

how much you want to share with your parents. And then I said, in reading the final pages of the book, it was sort of very apparent to me. It's like I think that they would love to hear the specific things I'm going through because you even describe in the book like when you first sent an Astra to preschool, it's like looking out the window realizing he's spending you know, four and a half five hours away from you, and you're like, it's crazy. I don't know what's going on,

no idea, what's going on. I remember there was first of all, I truly cannot. I'm just so sweet of you guys that you've read and remembered any specific Always read the book. Always read the book. I know you do. I know you do. But it doesn't make it a less sweet or awesome that you loved it. It's our pleasure to read anything you want. You know, I won't shut up. Jewish mom, Jewish all over. Um. There was that movie. I don't know if you ever sup it's

one of my favorite movies. Uh, that Mike Mills movie twenty and Century Women. Oh my god, Nebending And there's just that moment and this was like when I think it came out, like when my son was very like a bait, like truly a baby, like a few months old or something. But there's a line that she says where she goes and Nebending as the mother and has her her son is like thirteen or fourteen is you know, being a boy out and his little skateboard and listening

punk whatever. But she says, I'll never get to see what he's like in the world, never know what he's really like in the world. And it's like that notion that like I sort of no matter how close you are with your child and I think, you know it's my parents are you know, not who it's still alive, and I know it's that fascinating thing where it does

just make you reconsider it all. But when I've heard that line in that movie and I was looking at my baby and I'm like, even if I'm very close with him and I do everything right and we maintain you know, I'm like, maybe there's a world and boys still love their moms and her dead, you know, but

loves death. But um, but like you'll never like that feeling of just like he's I'm not the way I am with my friends, with my parents maybe a little bit sometimes, and they're pretty you know, chill, liberal human beings. It's not like I'm massively purposely needing to hide something from them. But when you realize like that, it's like this person has come out of you, and then one day they'll just really have this whole side that you'll never really get to know it. Actually, I don't know.

I think like your parents listening to this podcasts lose their minds in the best way, I think. And you know, you know what's interesting, It's like that's another thing is you can never really prepare for what your kid is going to become. And I think that some of the some of the really interesting moments are when I realized that I was an adult with my parents, that makes sense.

It's ever like got to a place where and I remember, well, this might be an overshare, but like there was like a period of time, there was like a period of time several years ago where I feel like I was explaining things about my perspective to my father and there were hard conversations. I mean, we had like one time a blowout in a beer authority on remember that night.

I remember that, I think because I called you crying because we had had a blowout fight because I was explaining why I was supporting Bernie Sanders and it was just such a funny and what I said was what I said that really took him out of the restaurant down the street and we didn't speak for two days. Was that I explained to him that he may need to and and probably inelegantly I said this, but check his privilege on something, because he is an older, straight

white man who whatever that. And that was like, this was sixteen when people did not This was not just the vernacular, you know what I mean. This was still like something that was becoming for for you know, people of that generation, like part of something they could accept hearing about themselves despite the fact that you know, everyone has privilege, etcetera. As we know, and it's about checking all of our own individual privileges in order to get

to understanding. But he only heard me me saying like he was out of touch and didn't have a social conscience and whatever. And I think that two days later, when we had a conversation, I told him, I was like, Dad, I want to apologize for us getting into a conversation where both of us got upset. I never want to see you hurt, but I will not take back what I said because because I I genuinely feel that's something we all need to do. And maybe I could have

gone about saying it better. But his response to me was interesting because I could tell that he had considered what I said, and maybe it had, um you know, illuminated him, not just to that topic, but to that maybe I was someone who could also engage with him about new ideas and things, which has to be kind of crazy when you gave birth to and reared that child. And I'm sure that you and I know Bowen has this with his parents as well. Yeah, I want to.

I'm so fascinated to hear. Like, are you guys close with your parents? I am? I mean, we're on good terms. I I I could do better about like reaching out to them. I did call them yesterday, um while I was reading your book, just to be like I should. I mean it did. Like well, I feel like I think Matt and I have been in a lot of like parent content recently. Like we like we we we we like saw everything everywhere all at once, absolutely amazing.

And I told my parents about it too, because I think that they I think that they'll like, really really enjoy I think almost for that reason too, But you know, I I I identify as being close with my parents, but it still is that thing where my dad did send me a text and he was like, I really want your mom to come out and see you soon, and I was like trying to find a time in my schedule that would be good, and I was just like, it's crazy to have to do this for your mother,

like drop everything, you know what I mean. And then in reading the book, just like hearing the blood, sweat and tears that goes into motherhood, I'm just like it really, it's not It doesn't put you as a child in a state of guilt, but it puts you and it gives you like a real understanding of the fact that like this person like survived so you could live, so you could You just want to stop and say, I'm so impressed that your dad is sending texts. I think

that's oh wow, Yeah, I know my dad. Well, my dad's pretty old, he's eighty one or eighty two now, but yeah, and my mom is I taught my mom had to send text she can do, my dad doesn't. I don't think it was cell phone anyway. So I'm impressed. But you guys are as a younger and younger parents, we can I say the the ear infection thing that because this is important if you're getting on that, I feel like, actually, I think when I was promoting my last one, I had to fly and I had a

terrible cold. I didn't have an ear infection, but I was like very congested. And but I was like, I flow with the cold before. It's no big deal, Okay, I want to scare you. Then as we were started to what to send not decline, I started to decline. I did you the client as you just said. I for the first time in life, I felt like a pain in my ear, like someone was done on like ending, like a screw driver was playing in my ear, and I I honestly started a panic that like my brain

might explode. I was like, I had a terrible mistake. You're not supposed to fly with like this level of a scientist whatever I had, And and then I was in pain for hours after. And it's crazy because I'm supposed to see Pat Mannerson in Chicago right after I get off the plane. So I gotta I gotta figure this out. This is what my doctor told me to do.

And I did it on the way back, and it helped take an incredibly strong, decongested like an hour before, like an advil Colton Scinus, the one they keep behind the register because people can make mesop the one you need, like your passport to yeah, the one you need, you need your new yeah, your new drivers, like exactly. But anyway, I just didn't want to let you go without telling

you that. I think that's what you need to do because I want you to have a great time and watch what live and I'm so excited really ing on, I mean listen and that is and that you can't stop parenting. I don't know you're thinking me as your baby, Yeah, I mean not as much as the baby as you know, Jennifer Lewis calling calling all of us babies, which made me so I'm goridably happy. But the babies? Did you

know that my nickname? For a second, I didn't know she knew my name because I was all exclusively referred to as the baby. We on my coverage at the baby, and where is the baby coming in? The baby? The baby standing over here? The baby. You were the baby pretty much the whole time. But like also eightens the baby, but she most of her scenes were with you, so yeah, it was calling you. The baby is socreribly sweet? Love

that sweet? That's nice. Even even in his thirties, still you know I got that baby face though it's it's actually a real culture number fifteen. You could be a baby in the thirties, fully believe. I'm on set endors um speaking of uh are you excited for it to come out? Oh my god, talk about it. Let's talk about it. I was just on like an hour long marketing meeting where like it's so crazy. Um. I also just need to say the world it's gonna lose their

freaking mind seeing Matt Rogers in this show. So, I mean, everyone is amazing, but I'm just gonna say Matt, I truly, I'm not blowing smoke. I very easily could have dodged out of this, but I'm so happy to say, like, I just you're just like like, well, I wanted to I was about to say a word and that I realized it makes me sound like like a New York Times critic. But you're in from within, lit from within.

I remember I once. I remember when Claire Danes first came on the scene, like I was like still reading like from your magazine, and so I was talking about her in my so called life and she's lit from within with There's nothing better you could say about from from But honestly, you know, when someone whenever I say someone carries the light, that's the highest, highest, the highest compliment I can give. But I mean, I just I

can't stop talking about it. But like, um, you guys did such an incredible job writing the show, and um, you know obviously it came together really great. But I just I you're you're very very very very good at what you do, both on the page and on the laptop, which becomes a teleplay tellio play, which is a page which is on a page on a screen. Yeah, on a pause. I Um, that's so amazed to hear. I am.

I still feel like, just in the rule of culture that you can still be a baby in your thirties and my forties, still feel like, don't look like a baby, feeling a baby, but you have you running the show. I don't. I have to say. I think, um, you know a lot during during production about like you know, you are kind of the production mom some degree, you know, mom boss or whatever, and and I mean I love doing this show, and um, I mean everyone made it such a pleasure and the cruise, the love like it

was just a sweepy group of humans. And then how lucky am I to be working with just this cast of people. And there are just so many days though where I just still feel a real emotional disconnect with like I can't believe, like you know, I'm like, yeah, yeah, that is It is a crazy feeling like what because because you've earned it, but but convincing yourself you've earned it is crazy. Well, it's less honestly even the well I mean obviously don't believe I've earned anything, but the

earning aside. Also as I'm like looking at like half my Jill was really on appealing nail situation just started ap peeling them off. But I remember the first uh like the first two weeks when I was doing in sending Amy Schumer with Amy and are amazing work. Husband Dan Powell was the other EP and that show. It was the first time and I wasn't the show unner of the show. Dan was the show owner, but I

was the head writer and another EP. So it was like me and Amy and Dan were in charge of the show and I had never been in charge of the show before. And there was some moment where, like some like a network, a question came up but like had to be answered or solved, and I was like, oh, we should figure out. And then it was like where's mom where's mommy and daddy? And then we were all like where mommy and daddy? And that was like where the fucking mommy and daddy? And it was a really

really surreal moment. And the parallels not to whatever, but like the parallels with parenthood are pretty intense where you're just like I never Maybe I don't know if everyone feels this way. I think I maybe I'm just very in touch with my inner little baby who doesn't know anything,

but I it's just always a strange feeling. I don't know if you guys, I mean I would imagine you guys both feel that or maybe you maybe you don't, but sometimes feeling like you're both just such high achievers and doing such incredible things that just those moments where you're like just a version of I can't believe I'm

here and then I'm supposed to know what I'm doing. Well, like parenting, um, I feel like it's old self versus new self, and like the reconciliation feels so crazy, like you're like, but those are the same people, Like I'm I'm like work mommy, but I was never but I was baby before. Yeah. Or I'm mommy, but I was baby before. Yeah. It's a version of like I'm an adult, Like there's being an adult, and then I guess being

a parent is like sort of super adult. But really it's all just like truly in any capacity, even before I became apparent, any moment, any time I have to fill out a form, I feel like what am I doing? How am I filling out of form? But like anytime dealing with any kind of insurance, like this isn't for me. Yep, that's the thing. I think I'm the most baby about too, and I just want to change insurance forget it. No, I was gonna ask you, guys, what are you? What

are you the most baby about in your life? Because I'm identifying with that. I just had to switch my insurance from w g A to SAG and it was like learning to walk. I can't do it. I all that little tasks. Um, I would say, it's insure. I mean, I have my like new insurance car just on my table. I'm so scared to touch it. I don't. I can't

even touch it, like it's like electric or something. And then I just wanted to say that, Like, it's so interesting hearing you say this, and it's refreshing because I think at least people in our circles have like really like pooh pooed on like the term adult ing or the discourse around hat adulting. It's a terrible word. It's terrible, it's so reductive, but it does like it is like

an index. It's a name for something that, like, I think that is very normal for people our age to feel we're in terms of like, oh okay, Like I I have to like acclimate myself to like this new reality, which like is a very like complex thing, and of course it's stupid to produce it to a word like adulting. But I feel like people, I don't know, I don't know if you, if you guys feel this way, but I feel like people are afraid to talk about their adulting moments because the term has so much bad has

so much like bad energy around it. Yeah, no, I know totally. Well, I feel like it's sort of like what I was saying before. I can't believe people aren't

talking about it more. But it feels like when you open the door to talking about it, people are so relieved to talk about it because I'm like and again, I'm I'm forty six, I really still I mean, I'm exceptionally bad at all of those things, like like anything, money, bank, insurance, credit cards, like I just um and I was I can give myself, like I guess a tiny bit of grace, although I think it's expired now because I I never was really taught how to do those things for did

not do what it needed to do. I'm sorry the way that they taught going to New York City school, we didn't have home mac. At the Long Island Public school I went to, we had we had to take home mac and I don't know what, but what did you take home mac? I did not take it. So you think that as a result of me taking home mac, I would know for sure by the time I got

to college how to do like laundry. Positive that by the time I had my own apart and I had boiled pasta for certain, you would think I knew the difference between a credit card and a debit card, because because it's such a simple difference, the answer is no, me tell you had a cross stitch and he and and and like maybe that's it. Matt do your school have like the robot baby basically like they would give you the baby. Yeah, the baby, which by the way,

has none of the complexities of a real baby. Okay, the baby don't the babies don't get like, you know, colocky for no reason. The baby there's always an you know what we're talking about? Wait? Is this I wanted

to be really sad? Is this the version? Because is this where you were like trying You're taught how to take care of something and had to take yes, and then they gave you a baby that was like basically like it had like a random timer on, like they would program this like doll basically to like cry at insane hours. Wait. Can I just blow your mind? I'm so starting interrupt? This is such This is such a like I'm more than ten years old. When I was a kid, this we all had to do this, but

we were given a fucking egg, an egg. It was just an egg. It wasn't a robot doll. It was like, here's this egg, and don't break the egg. For like two weeks. We broke the egg, I mean, and then it's such a place it with another egg. What are we doing? They gave us a full on baby. And the thing is, like the baby would they only gave it to home people. They only gave it to home

people at my school. So we had the baby. I remember I took up, but you get the baby for like twenty four hours, because I think that they were dealing with parents that were like, don't give my kid this baby, you know what I mean, Like, I understand he needs to learn about making choices, but I made my choices, thank you very much. And I had my child when I was damn good and ready and I don't need this strange robot baby coming in and absolutely

screaming on a timer like the baby's getting tossed. So so basically, yes, every five six hours, the baby needs to eat and then it goes to bed and then maybe it makes up wakes up once, but it's not a baby, and so careful carries none of the danger of real baby, and you're never going to invest in that baby. Steaks couldn't be lower, go off, Like what do you used to put the bottle in its mouth? It was like a battery bottle. So it's like registering

whether you took care of it or not. Yeah, and you didn't have to go and buy a new formula you don't have you certainly, I'm sorry. But the car seat thing. In the book, Jesse goes into the mechanics of putting a car seat, and it's it's one of those things like potty training, where you can't possibly be thinking about it when you're deciding to have a child, but the car seat may scare one away. The car seat,

I will say, um. And again this is where like I I felt a little bit like am I just such a fucking terrible piece of ship human being that I I'd like hate this so much, and like so many days chose to stay at home rather than to try to put my kid in the curR seat because there were just so many days were like many versions of him hating it, many versions of me hating it, like him hysterically crying, Like to drive a car while a human being is just screaming behind you, Um is

so nerve racking. It's it's like very little is worth it. Because also when you're taking kids somewhere, I'm like, what are we going to miss out on the rubber room? And we're going to let's stay at home and let's like a drink here. But um, and I'm not gonna

drink obviously. Of course, our producer Becca says, I had to do the fake baby in middle school and I got stairs in marshals because people thought I was actually a teen mom, which is also something you're inviting because a lot of the after school hit up the marshalls like you do, and they have to bring their damn fake baby with them, and then you know, and like mother's everywhere. They they're just they're looking at that team child and they're thinking who's her mother, and then it

goes back to your mother. Mix messages. Don't send mixed messages. We want these kids to not being babies. Don't like, don't give a bait. It's like you should not be taking I mean, is that I guess the point. I don't know. It's just being good at it or bad at it. If everyone everyone in school was like we decided we loved it. Yeah, you know what I'm gonna get. I have one. I was just remembering there was one just in the world of like other sorry adult thing.

A truly embarrassing memory just came back to me of being in college, like my first few months in college, and my dad had like opened like a checking account for me to have because I was now an adult and I was going to have a job at the school to pay for my two and I was my was a shelver in our library, and so my check I gotta check every two weeks or truly, it was probably about like four dollars. But I was like, I've

got to go my check I got. But so I got this little check and I was so stupid and didn't know anything about anything. I took the check and I just was like, I have a bank account and this is a check. And there was one bank off campus and I just walked into it and I was like, here's my check, and they were like, who are you? I have an account, don't I. And then they're like, you don't have an account here, and I was like, oh, that's just there's I am here from my father's bank.

And it wasn't I didn't know. I just they were like, you don't have an account at this bank. There's different banks. I was just so like truly just get taken back to how embarrassed, Like the person is like, you're so stupid, stupid, and I just you know, but I really do feel like I mean I still feel this stuff all the

time I am doing it. I don't know, though, Like I think, I like that You're very honest in the book about how like you know human beings, Like I think I think you were talking about like Umi, there was like the like Underbirarse Sandwich, there was something about like you know, like human beings are like evolved to

raise children. Um in a village like have like everyone's supposed to hand down this knowledge to you, and like I mean with with the Czech situation, like no one handed down the knowledge to you that you're supposed to like go to your branch of a of a specific thing.

But um, I like that. I like that. I like that there's some something so like concrete about like yes, like it makes total sense to have other people helping you raise your child, and like I feel like child care is I think about for some reason, I think about my nieces going to daycare, and I think about the people working in that daycare, and I start to cry and like they have the hardest fucking jobs in the world and doing any of those Wait, how old

are your nieces? Um? They just turned four and two. They're gorgeous and stunning and I think it gonna be like they might become nightmare models because they're so beautiful that that that like you almost can't be that beautiful without having at least monstrous tendencies. But they have the best parents and that's good. But it may not matter when you're that stunned. We'll see. But um, it's but they also have their incredible uncle who will ground them.

I don't know about that. No bone is going to be buying them. And I this is this is this is something that like my sister is like so like adamant about, like she doesn't want to hire her help. And I respect that to an extent. And I'm putting my sister in blash. She listens to the podcast. She knows I'm saying that talk to you. I'm happy to talk to your sister. That's a great please, because Yang, I love you so much. And we've talked about this and this might be like not cool to like make

this public, but she she doesn't want help. Yeah, I have a lot to say and and and that's a hap today and that's and that's so like that's amazing. Um, But I think she has this connection to like the way our mother raised us, which was no help. She was working these insane jobs to support us, didn't speak the language that well when she was raising us. Like, you know, my mom is just an incredible mother. Umfct

angel two perfect angels. And I know, and I know that this is coming from a place of her wanting to honor what our mother did. But I think in the ye it's just like it's crazy, it's crazy. So my mom, you know, I have two siblings, there's three kids. My mom also had no help. There was never any help. My dad worked too, sometimes three jobs. My mom worked a little bit for a while. I wasn't working when we were very young, just because there was no help.

So you someone has to legally be home. And then she was a teacher, so she would go teach, she was teaching at our school and then would come home. We were shitty little kids. We didn't help her at all. We're a little fucking But the same thing that they never had any help. I think my parents had like one babysitter come one time, and truly like a decade, just nothing. So I under and I when I was going to have a baby, I was like, well I'm not gonna have help, But I'm gonna get this cross

because I'm gonna nail myself to it. I'm going to sucking honor what my parents earns did, honor what my mom did. And then real quick it was like, fuck that noise. And it's a huge privilege. She would be able to have help and my parents didn't have the privilege. I don't know if they would have had help, whether or not they did, but it wasn't a play. And

it's so much privilege to have that option. But if you have the option, I will just say I can't emphasize enough how much she should take it, just because I remember, I remember who was who said this to me. But it's like, what are you trying to win? There's no it's not winning anything. It's not it's not taking away anything. It's not like giving anyone a metal. It's just we are meant to We are truly meant to

have more help than we have. And that was an interesting part of the book, I think, which contextualized this a little bit which I thought was so interesting, which is that the doctor that you spoke to or Tony Song be my O B g end to your doctor in New York. Yes, she I mean, this was advice was like so clear to me once I read, but it was, you know, we were designed our bodies, or at least the woman's body was designed to like bear children at like fifteen years old, you know, as a

result of just how we've evolved. And back then there would be more help because there were you know, villages of people and there were literally parents that were still young enough to you know, participate in the rearing of a child. And now our society is just simply not set up for that. And so to say I'm not going to have help is actually sort of against naturally what we we are descended from. Gilmour girls. Everyone's supposed

to be Gilmo girls. It was always supposed to be like year fourteen and your mom's like best, it's actually we are decided from. It would be like Gilbert girls would be in the house living with like ten other p ten other Gilmore girls. Yeah, it would be like it was Gilmore girls all your great grandmother would be like fifty six capable, capable people all over the place.

I was what's called geriatric mother because I was pregnant when I was thirty nine, and I think like starting at thirty eight year like a geriatric pregnant series anyway, medicine. But I my parents and my parents, you know, I have an older brother who sters anyway, my parents were old, like I was old, and so they were old and they were nearby, but like they weren't going to be able to really help, you know what I mean. So yeah,

that's the thing. It's just we are we are this idea of like this nuclear family where like, yeah, that's how you're supposed to do on your own. Is really it's really fun. I just want to disclaim to my sister that this is not We're not being prescriptive necessarily, this is just I would never dare tell her how

to parent a child, especially being a fucking childless homosexual. Um. But like I just me and me and my brother in law gry on this that like help would be because he's a course of personality he is he is. But I think I think my I think my mom also kind of agrees to that, like anyway, we're not we're not we're not We're not like pressuring her into

doing this. I just think and and she is, like and she's going through huge positive changes in her life right now in terms of her career and all this stuff, and she's gonna have time to really pursue things that she wants to do um going forward, which I'm so happy for her about UM. But I think even then, like give yourself some latitude, like I don't know, like cater to your own needs. While she, of course is the best mom in the world to these girls anyway,

I'm telling you it will be because of her. If they're not nightmare models because of how gorgeous they simply are. I mean, like I see pictures of them and I sort of have to take another breath. Wow, that's kind

of extra breath. Like I'm glad you said that, because the number one thing to me is also and I know I came in really hot about getting help and no, no, no, no, but it is really important that like the most important thing to me is like to each their own and like everyone needs to like find their path, and like no judgments about like mothers who are staying at home

without help, no judgments about no judgments. But all I will say if anyone I do think there are a lot of mothers and if anyone's listening, if one of them is your sister, maybe and miss it your sister. But if there's like a little I do feel like there's a lot of mothers who would deep down with like some help but feel guilty about And in those situations, I just think people should permit, permit. I understand the guilt,

but permit permit anyway. We would desire to ask you the question, wouldn't you say about I would say so, I would say so, question is that? Jesse? We want to ask you what is the culture that made you say a culture? Is? For me to understand the question, I mean, well, I have a couple. How should I lean into the answer that we were talking about? Hard and raw protection, no mask, no mask. I love this. I love the chapter in your first book. Uh it was about how you became a comedian, and I think

like it was like kind of sectioned off. It was like first it was like John Rivers or was bad Marks. It was like like it could be that, and I'm not I'm not describing you know. I feel so absolutely just like swimming and whatever it could be. It could be, it could be anything. I mean, for some reason I had in my mind to talk about like um dirty

seeing the movie Dirty Dancing. I feel like just as like a little little jewish, young nerdy, flat chested, original little hole living living in just vergeoning around my little self. Like that movie did loom extremely large when I first saw it, and it was not in the theater because I wasn't cool enough to have friends to go to the theater with. But we did, I think, like after I don't know, saw it on VHS, so what I finally did make friends. So it was about like twall around.

I can't remember. I can't remember, but I just remember I was like it alot and unlocked a lot and unlocked a lot. I was like, oh, like they're here's a movie that's like not about like the Blonde other human Like it was just like the p O V. Is this girl with like a big fucking greatness and her little kids walking across the lot. She's gonna like be in the cat skills and it's gonna get like

reamed by Patrick's picked up and tossed around. I mean when those reels, I mean, I know we've all seen them probably a million times, but like rehearsal, the rehearsal sessions for dirty Dancing, that like start to go around where you like see them like see Jennifer Grahan Patrick Swayzey like pry to sing and like she'saying her like

lead was just like a snake's giving you like. But I was like, oh, like, first of all, it was like one of the first times I felt like just truly a hundred percent of horny because like and just like I think a little bit yeah, just like the po V A bit. I was like, and it was such a huge movie. I don't know. I just was like, maybe I could be a little horny and show girl chewing around with Patrick Swazy and like, I don't know.

It just was like maybe there's hope for me story wise, sex wise, yes, absolutely, And there is something too as well. This this sound well to it, you know. It's like that like like deep Man's voice just being like I'm coming to funk, you know what I mean. And then the response of and I'm just like, yeah, you got fucked. I'm just saying there's something about that song to me? Is is there an Oscar winner? I know it was nominated.

I feel certain it's not. Actually it won the Academy Award for Best Original Song, and yes, that's original song. But I would also say some other notes that still like ring on full horn for me. And I'm sorry to say it, but like the moment just like do because that's what's playing when he reems around that food, don't you feel like cray like and she's like, I'm murray that I'll never feel that right feeling Right now,

I'm doing like a truly terrible one woman show. Yeah, all of that stuff that was just like very very very porny making sounds my voice just like act like you went from virgin how not for many years later, not told many years later, but you had that the fire was lit from within. The fire was lit, and I mean I think it was a fire. It was a figer that probably got lit by Dennis Quaid in the Big Easy. If that is something you guys have ever seen, If you haven't high recommend, I recommend, I'll

put that one on the list. Dennis Quaid, there was a there was a period of time there were Yeah, he really sexually worked for me, Dad. I mean that's what Dad is. Yeah, you know what I mean. I know, I mean I've always liked like a very big nose and like he had like such a gigantic nose, and you know what they say anyway, huge, So everyone everyone at home, the readers, what they say is that if you have a big nose, you got a big cock.

Huge cock. I had my little t tween age teenage girl wall was like covered in like pictures, like cut out of magazines of like Dennis Quaid. It was like Dennis Quaid and Harrasson Ford. Yeah, guys who could swing an acid. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Anyway, so that was big. I'm mourned for these children who who don't have the collage on the wall, not that I ever did, but like it's people, no one has a collage on the wall anymore. I don't think a lot of them do.

I think they have corkboards and ship where they like. But there's nothing like the aesthetic of cutting out a page, cutting around a celebrity and just scotch taping it to your wall directly is like unbeatable. Yeah, I mean that's a really I will say welcome. Yeah, because there's no

magazines anymore. But I had got all these magazines and I just I mean just a picture like I mean talking about thinking about your parents po V now in a way that like you didn't like I was just in my very We also were in a very small apartment because of New York City, so it's not like there was any privacy or like they would have not known what was going on in my room, but like to just see their little nerdling slowly putting up this like one by one, like I said, to just slowly

realize that she's just making she's making also and being this age, and like remembering vividly how horny you were at that age, like now thinking that we ever felt we could get it past them, Like it's unbelievable how horny children are, and what it must be to watch that happen under your own roof. It's under your own roof, and just yeah, and I also said it was just like happening in slow motion like every day, like just another man. And they're like then they get to assess

your taste. They're assessing my taste. They're like seeing and I really can't stress and like how awkward I was. So it's not like clearly are like sort of like blossoming young about her. It's like still just sort of looked like I can't even I mean, just so many braces and glasses, but then like pulsing incentiality, wanting to get boned by these men, and then and my parents also having the decency and sweetness to never make it, never talk about what was going up on the wall.

Did they ever ask you about jacking off bow? Did they ever make an issue of it they find anything? Um? I'm positive that my mom would just sort of like see like like a stain on something, you just not think anything of it and just not ask questions. Um No, And I'm actually very grateful that they never brought it up.

What about you? There was a time where I mean I was just like abjectly caught like my mom, My mom like, come on something and she heard and she goes, I don't know what this is, but you need to talk to your father about it. And I was like it's nothing, Oh my god, Actually no, I vividly remember what it was. I was like, I fell asleep, I took, I took, I trooled. I literally said that, and then I literally like showed her like see look, putting my head down on the fellow next to the come and

I was like, see it was. And my mother looked at me and she was like, you need to talk to your father about this. And I was like your brother. She had one older brother, but she was not ready to deal with it, like and so basically I heard them talk in the next room and my mom goes to my dad. This is the conversation, I swear to God, and I couldn't make it up. My mom goes, did

you ever do that? And my dad said no, and my mother and I remember I felt, I'm sitting there, I'm listening to it, and I'm feeling so betrayed by my father because I'm like, you, motherfucker, of course you've done this. I was like, stick up from me. And then I remember my mother was like, you need to talk to him about it. I can't. And he came in like fifteen minutes later, and he was like, you just have to be a little bit more careful and

what's happening is completely natural. It's fine, but you just have to be more You just have to be more careful. And that was period all he said. Pretty good. Pretty twenty years later, you're screaming at this old man about Bernie Sanders and this man saved your life. I literally, but I vividly remember the moment I had been caught maturing. I mean, yeah, I know, this is um no content that this is coming for me one day. Has he shown any little signs of horny nous sorry for bringing you? No?

Well no, no, no, he's sick, so no. But I mean little kids do. But I will say this all little kids especially, I think generally, Like I know and also my friends who have daughters, same thing, like around five six, Like they are just like touching their genitals all the time all the time. But like and also they don't know, so they're just doing it in front of people. It's like all the time, all the time. It is so funny when you just see kids home

they're just publicly just touching themselves. They don't know, and they're totally innocent, and they're not you know, it's not sexual, but maybe it is, like it just sort of feels nice or it's comforting or it's like but you are I chronically feels nice, nice because they it's nice. But

I have had moments with myself. You don't want to shame that especially it's like it's nothing, but they get to be a needy You're like you kind of got so but like there are times where like my son and I are like watching TV together, watching Dinosaur Train, a great show, truly a shout out, and he starts to touch himself. He's just well, it's more like just like a guy. It's almost more just like just like

like Bundy, it's like hand in pants pants. And that's another moment where I'm just like, what is this life like again? What is this like? Just sitting here watching someone discover their dick? Me Jesse Klenn, I am sitting on a couch watching a show called Dinosaur Dream with this young kid just because hand his pants like Al Bundy. Again, I'm like, I used to just me and drink and blow guys. I don't know why that's always where my mind goes. It's just the other identity. It's the other person.

And I totally get where your mind is going there because Matt, when you agree when you're blowing someone like it's it's it is just like it's a confecting moment where you go, this is who I'm I'm a kid. It's so interesting. Um. I was also just like thinking of the whole time where Okay, cathexis, which is when you are like so when you like form this like psychic like association bond with something that you are defined by it. Yeah, I'm butchering it, but it's like a

Freudian term. Look at this, and it's it often comes in the heat of a moment, the concentration of mental energy on one particular person, idea, or object, especially to

an unhealthy degree. Yeah, well you think, like I actually only exist for this right now, um, and those are the moments where and that's actually and that actually, I think is what's addictive and gets people sometimes doing bad things, is because when they're really really detached in their every day life from what brings them this cathexus to blow jobs, to blow jobs or really to perform whatever type of

oral sex is your sex um. But the thing is, it's very interesting to think about that in that context. While you were talking, I couldn't stop thinking about when I got pubes, and that's going to be a whole other thing. When I got when I first got pubes, that was, like I think, it's like when you first get pubes and when you first realize your boner connects to wanting to fuck. Those are two moments. It's like,

that's when you that is what puberty really is. I mean, that's the when you can connect those two thoughts and really do the mental math in your brain. That's when you realize you are, you know. Grown. It's funny because I too have like a very vivid it's like just like the time, like a vivid little shard of them. Remember. I just remember being why are we talking about this whatever? That's not dancing, being in the bath and like just

chilling like this is not going. I wasn't mastering. It was more just like thinking about truly, I think just being reading. I was just being in this. I think I was reading and then I just was like I'm just look down and then there was like god, I so crazy that we're having these memories or having this conversations.

I thought about this forever. But like I remember seeing like, oh, there's like little bubbles, like a little like bubbles like attached down there to like what are they attaching to that? I don't say that before. And they were like on like little hairs, what why what they like that's a new thing. And then I just was like I better keep reading this book. I have to get out of here, back to Cofa. This this literally was this very intellectual.

This literally though not to make this clunky connection, but this is why I do love Big Mouth is because it minds the most specific, like hard comedy out of these things, and it's like it actually it reminds me of the specificity with which you write in the book too, because it's like something the comedy in that show is so specific and so vivid and so blown out. And obviously because it's animated, they can do that. That's what

makes it a classic to me. And we're sitting here is so engrossed in this conversation because it is you do get the opportunity to be so specific about it, which is why it's so funny. I mean, they're so incredible and like the writers on the show and Nick and everybody market channel is unreal. He is unreal, unreal human being. I don't he a full unicorn of a man, just like a white horn, a bristly tale. Uh. You know we all see in our mind's eye what kind

of like just a strong, strong uniform. But he galloping um, I mean that was the other well, but no, he The stuff that they that they excavate about puberty is so yeah, it's so deep and they're like almost every time I get one of those scripts, there's something in there. I'm like, oh, fucking fun I haven't thought about that, like the stuff they did with like Jesse getting or period, and like they've gone like more about like tampons, and we're just like it's so real and small but so

emotionally huge area. This is an annoying question, and I'm sure you even asked this a million times. Is this going to be like teachable to Astro when he's like that age or is that going to be like something you show big Mouth? Yeah, well, you know, it's so funny because I have some like a couple of friends

might have kids who are older, like they're like thirteen. Actually, an old friend of mine who I met when when we were in fifth grade, and now it kills me because her son is now the age like when there's a moment he was the age we met. But she told me that they watch Big Mouth together. A lot of people watch it with their kids, And now I have to say it makes me so happy because I do think it's like such a positive, incredible show and like could bridge so many conversations for parents to have.

But at the same time, I think about like sitting with my mom or dad, like looking at anything like the tiniest smooch happening on TV, and I would have to like go get in a car and out to another stage. I couldn't I couldn't sit next to them and look at anything. So I don't quite know how that. Yeah, that's that's kind of a crazy thing to think about, you know, like hearing mommy's voice someone with Mommy's voice

having period, you know, like, oh my god. I know until you just said that, I honestly hadn't even thought about. I was like, oh, well, I watched this show with him, like the way my friends watched, and I'm like, oh, I'm in it, and your name, her name is Jesse, Jesse, and there's some stuff coming up that I remember. Oh boy,

I haven't even thought about that. Forgett you know. I feel like though there is a certain time where you understand your parent's sense of humor and then it's okay because you can you can all accept it as like a comedic program like I remember, I don't know, like there was my dad was always like I think okay with me watching certain things with him, and my mother was the one that was like Richie and I would have to get sent out of the room like Austin Powers.

I think my dad would have loved to sit and watch with me, but my mother was I would categorize her as freaking out during the whole thing, like I don't know, I don't know about this, you know, this is all, this is too much, and she just wouldn't stop. And in an effort to get her to stop so he could enjoy it, he was like, yeah, go get out.

The one time during the day he took me to Nutty Professor, and I think I did have to ask some questions about about things after that, and that's I guess, just the risk you run when you invite the child in on big mouth. You know. My dad was put Like I said, he was working many, many, many hours, and so I don't know what circumstances could have possibly led to him being in charge of me and my best friend at the time when we were nine years old.

Somehow it must have been a day from school. I truly think my mom must have maybe had a surgery, like she must have really been recovering from an anesthesia. With my dad, God bless me, it's like the one the one time it was like somehow he was in charge of me and my best friend were nine year old, like what is he going to do with us for the day? And he took us, He took we're nine. He took us to see I'm a Dais If you've ever seen me like this movie everywhere, So, I mean

that is my main memory was. It was like so much heathing pitch. There's mania in vanity. It's just my blue is the warmest color. But I really think in his mind he was like, I'm going to take her to see a movie about Mozart about like he just didn't in fairness and like the same fairness there's no Internet. Maybe he just was like it's a movie about the music.

For me, just it was I mean, me and my friend talked about like certain things like when you see something as a own person or a kid that like you're not supposed to have seen you you and you're a teenager or whatever, and it that it gets burned in, like get burned in there, and like I remember like like we burned in. We were not okay for I think for people like like around Matton my age, like it was titan Titanic was the thing, right, There was

a conversation for sure. It was like because she bare her breasts and it was the breast and the car sex like the hand, the hand fully covered my eyes. And I remember that so vividly. Oh yeah, I remember the conversation because I remember that was when I started, honestly the culture that made me say culture was for me.

One thing that could really be in the running was the Titanic of the frenzy, that the thing of Titanic and Leo when it was like inescapable, and I just remember, because it was so inescapable, my parents did have to have a sit down discussion about whether or not they would let their child me see this movie and what the parameters were because I became so one track minded about Titanic. Yeah, you had that, you had, but it's like and I was, I was seven, you were Okay,

this is what I'm saying. You were seven and you were going to see Titanic. Yes, but Jesse, imagine revisit again, the mono culture. If he was only talking about one thing, the only thing, it was the only thing. Did you go see it? Absolutely? Like at least three times I became. I became like infatuated with Kate Winslet in a way that I think I remember I didn't know at the time, but I was standing, you know what I mean. I was like like when I remember when I first saw

Atlesha's overstone and clueless. I didn't know at the time, I was standing, but and then rose when she turned around in that hat. And then what about Cathy Bates? I remember standing Kathy Bates the second I saw and what was what was the moment it was? It was Molly Brown. I remember moving to Denver and I hated it, but then we did a tour where like there was the Molly Brown House. Whatever, it doesn't matter, like I think it matters the most, and you know it, whatever,

it doesn't matter, No, it does. It fully matters. It fully matters. But like, okay, is it just like blowing your mind that, like Matt was ashs age that we would age just a flashback to what I was saying before, Like so Asher is going to be seven in June and we really only watch Dinosaur Maybe you don't understand what Dinosaur Trate is. It's a show about dinosaurs taking a train through various parts of the dinosaur era. Honestly that does. Um it's actually really well does. But yeah,

I can't imagine him watching Titanic. But but it's interesting because he also now I do know he and I'm not like, um, I'm not trying to like shield him from stuff. I will say, like I find like a lot of shows that are made for kids are just so hyper and annoying and shitty, because I always wanted to like where it's like so violent and crazy and

like really just awful. Um, but I do know, like I remember an article a few years ago in The Times about like someone like I was so excited when their kid turned seven to take them, like to show them Star Wars, and so I'm like, I don't know, maybe he's maybe he's ready to just tic feels a little on a day, but I guess it's mostly other than the handle the car window and the boobs, you know what. The thing about it though, is it's violence, and like that's another thing is it's just like there's

a there, there's gunfire. There's that in us of people honestly omesurable. Those are the images that I do remember from seeing it, and like I do sort of feel I have I learned when I think about, like, you know, watching them wade through the dead bodies in the water. It's just it really was. So I don't know about all that, but the titties were just twitties, you know what I mean. Like, and I continued to stand throughout.

I think I deeply knew in my soul I wasn't attracted to her, but I definitely thought she was glorious and I had an appreciate, I had appreciation and just she like was a full movie star and I was so obsessed with her. So I feel I would have been a nightmare had my parents not let me see that film. And also, of course in the back of your little game mind, there's Leo. But what I'm saying to you is that that was definitely a part of it at seven. So just around the river bend, she

takes the deepest frind out, Okay. I think like watching Seinfeld when I was seven, I was like, yeah, my parents didn't know what was on, and like they left me on supervise to watch TV and I would just like turn on like whatever syndicated five o'clock, like sitcoms on was gonna be a little sheltered, might be it. No, No, I'm just no. We're just saying like like it's I don't know, maybe Matt and I are a little sucked up,

but like it's not. I don't think it's because of those media you know, I mean I was in a cinema, Like what percentage of your personality do you think exists because you saw Titanic when you were probably if I were to really think about it, yeah, a lot. And also, you know, the Titanic for us was Titanic for us?

Was the mania around Titanic? Then like the Oscars being like must exactly yeah, and then and then and then the kids like I don't know, gay boys are a being obsessed with awards shows, Like I think that that that's that's an imprinting moment, Like it had to line up perfectly. It hit every box because it was it was it was literally learning to learning to stand an actress.

It was you know and one of the goats and one of the goats who actually literally did become one of the goats and still has you know, ardent fans because of that imprint. It was also Celendon. It was pop music, it was diva worship, it was camp, it was budget and it was Oscars in a in a culture when one thing existed, So it just of course we're all going to have like a you know, when baby opens their first eyes and sees mommy thing with Kate Winslet and Celendion there forever. That's so I mean,

just thinking about I will. I don't want your parents, if they're listening or whatever, to feel like I'm judging them for using Titanic. No, because as we're talking about I am remembering just it was like there was just Titanic, and it was like that was like a rule of culture, like you just had to go see it, like the minute you the minute you could, for the whole year.

And I actually remember seeing it at Union Square with my boyfriend at the time, and uh, it was the craziest thing because it was path theater because Titanic, and uh, right at the moment where Kate Winslet is on the iceberg, we've been waiting to see this ship fucking sink and we're like everyone's like like waiting, like I want to see that bow go down. She's on the thing, she's

blowing that whistle or whatever. In front of me. One row in front of me, someone projectile throws up on the person in front of them, like someone who had just been like guzzling it down or drinking and like the coil fear like it was someone Oh my god, oh I got It's like it was truly. So were you laughing though in the moment behind, because but it

was just it was like everyone was having tatanic Ruin. Also, that's like a moment where she's literally everyone was experiencing her live that moment and the regal union here or whatever the hell which has really seen it all? Oh my god, the things I've seen there talking about blown guys, Oh my god, good friend, I don't know. But also literally before before we do, I don't think, so, honey, there is something here. There is something here because also

you as a person who is a parent. And the story that I always bring up for this is Bone remembers Anadres and me and Bonin went to go see Fifty Shades of Gray on Valentine's Day, first day, the first day, and we this is one of our favorite things that's ever happened. So no, we actually were doing quite well, very enriching. We we So we're there and

we're watching the film. We're experience and absorbing fifty Shades of Gray, and the audience was very bonded by like you know, you know act too by the end of Act too, like this was an audience I was willing to laugh at it. There's an audience that was like kind of understood how CAMPI and stupid and fun were

all they're together like to see. So then probably I'm gonna say at least five or six lashings have gone by, you know what I mean, Like we've seen the girl participate in BDSM for certain, and we here from the back of the theater literally like if you could pick the sentence that a baby says, they said it, Daddy,

I gotta go to the bed. And when I tell you, the hire theater had to get the definition of a catharsis when we all realized that there was a child who had seen what we had seen, and we all like held each other straight strangers looked each other in the eye and knew that they were bonded for life. It was so crazy. The movie ended and we were sort of like debriefing about it, and I remember Anna said, yeah, but you know what though, like maybe they didn't have

help and they really wanted to see the movie. And I thought to myself, you know what, there is a negotiation between you know what, one for them, one for you. You have to survive too, you need to consume, consume media. It's of course one of the food groups. Media. It's like as as important as a car, and so what are you gonna do? Like and deprived yourself. And then I did say that, and I was like, yeah, but probably not fifty shades of gray and we all agreed.

But you know what, there's something to that, like you gotta watch one of that something getting burned in, Oh, burned in. That's what I'm saying. There's nothing as bonding as a crazy New York City movie theater moment. Like those moments, especially like at a certain time pod but like the person throwing up a Titanic was one where just everyone was like we have to survive, like we

like the iceberg, we must survive this together. There was I remember when I went to go see the Sex in the City movie, like the first day it came out, which I want to say was maybe a Valentine's Day situation. I don't remember, but that I mean just basic, basic, basic path theater of Ladies. There is the moment like everyone's like there were balloons, like it was so basic. But we were all like, we're basic and we're seeing this.

We love it and whatever, it's a great movie. Sorry, but the first one moment, the first one, the first No, not the one we're they're in dubaiing like offending everyone. We're talking first. But but there was that moment. There was a moment when Carrie reveals the closet that big like built for her in the department, and the entire audience of New York City ladies goes. There was like an audible theater wide. Guy, it's a great shot. And

then what say, yeah, hello, lover, I live here. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, hello lover. That's what it is. Yeah, everyone's living in like a three roommate situation of Murray Hill. I literally was talking. I mean, that's budget and that is important. Budgets. Get those budgets out everyone. Okay, guys need an escape. I think it may be. I don't think so, honey, because we've sort of arrived at that point where we're

so full that we have to unleash this energy. I certainly have had um a certain culture dictate my life over the past several days. So I have and I don't think so honey, based in that this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many as time starts now, I don't think so honey, antibiotic culture. Why do they do what they do to our butt holes? It's fucking insane. I've been on the antibiotic augmented for several days. What has done to my digestive system is unforgivable, unfathomable, and unsavory.

I find myself bereft. Nothing is solid. I don't understand why. And I didn't do anything to even deserve my ear infection. That's another thing. I don't think, so honey, that I've fallen this type of malady because I've neverly been in a pool of Lake Upond, I've not been near anything. I shower so responsibly. God, God, you're up there literally watching me shower. You know you know I'm not asking for this. I keep my ear as clean as a whistle.

I don't think, so honey that as a result of just the fates, I have to be on these antibiotics, poked, prodded, strapped. Please five seconds, God, if you're up there and you remember I didn't do anything deserve this, have a mercy on my butthole. I'm shifting water and that's one minute. Oh my god, oh my god. Augment um and it's such a it doesn't it sounds like a villain in a film, like we're that we're teaming up to fight augmentum.

Drink just to shell pass. Maybe that's you know, it is all about water, and it is all about also, which you don't take us seriously at the time, but really people should taking the antibiotics with food food. You must do this, and it's I don't think I realized again hashtag adult thing. Sorry now, I don't think I realized antibiotics like were what they were. Like when you're a kid and you get sick, they just put you on antibiotics and then you live your life and your dream.

But I remember when I was in my twenties, I was on put on like two different antibiotics too close together, and my digestive system wasn't the same for like six or seven months. My god, I thought I was gluten intolerant, so like you got it. I'm not even kidding. They over prescribed me at the at the City m D. And I've done I don't think Sony City m D before, but um went, I absolutely did, doctor, because he loves to give you a shot here. But and I got

a shot in my butt again today have steroids. I'm telling you, I'm I'm on. Let's say the planet Saturn. I really do mean all right, we're gonna offline about DR. I just want to say DR wanting to just being so like shot happy is concerning I if it's there for you, He's there for you when you need him. Okay, great, great, great? Only take the shot when like you have like chlamydiar or something. You have a girl when I'm telling you, yeah, he kind of is more like like you know, Halloween

how everyone gets candy. He's more like that. She's more like that. He's more Halloween. Great Halloween doctor. He's a Halloween style doctor. It's like a Halloween doctor. Oh okay, well pray for me everyone, everyone. This is Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey, Now do you have something you feel very good? I love that. I love that. Okay, so it's I didn't want to say yet I am avoid it's when now whenever I say I love that for you, I feel like I'm like dropping some promo.

But it really is vernacular. It's vernacular. That's why it's called that. All right, great, this is I don't think so, honey. Your time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Gift shops call them what they are, candles stores. Okay, there's nothing but candles and stationary. The options are limited. I went to separate ones on my way to work to buy a gift for someone. The offerings were the same.

It's either candles, cards, maybe like a quote unquote hard puzzle, something that's marketed as a hard puzzle because it's like a monochrome puzzle where you can't really put it together so easily because the colors are all the same. I don't we have to step it up. We're in a post Christmas candle as the nel sketch world where like buying a candle for someone who's like, not okay anymore, I disagree with that. I love candles, um, I don't

like that there's this stigma on them now. But I also don't like, on on an equal note, how gift shops only sell saying which is candles. I don't care that it's different companies. I just need something more. You need to do more, and that's what minute. I will also submit wrapping paper, which is interesting because at a place that sells wrapping paper, you think there'd be more options of gifts of gifts, but the options you're limited.

As my sister in my heart said, can I also, I mean, I just want to check on I mean my own thing. But when you open a tube of wrapping paper and it's it's must it's like multiple individual sheets and not one long tube, and like, what are we playing at? What are you assuming the size? And it's why is this like stiffer, harder paper? Like am I the Queen of England here? Like what let's talk about this right now? When it looks like it's a big tube and you find out it's mostly tube, Oh,

you're playing with me. You're playing with me. And that's gaslighting. Yeah, that's gas gas lighting. And I'll say it even lower and in a whisper, that's gaslighting. And so that and now now we have to like and the thing is too about about the stigma on candles. There's nothing wrong with candles. There's nothing wrong with candles. They bring joy to every one. You can never have enough simple pleasure, a little self care, and everyone in the world has candles,

and it's universal. It brings you together, it gets you together from the smell and the area that it brings. And we're post we're post irony with candles. Sorry, thank you so much, thank you, because it is this like it You're so right, Matt. It's it's it's like every cal there's like a carbon and meat dish in every culture there is. There is oil and wax and a flame in every single culture in the world. That is a rule of culture. A number of number there and

and every culture around the world, around the world. Guys. Also, I will come forth the rap gift that I gave to the lovely p A s and people on I love for you ndles each and everyone, and each one was received not only with gratitude, but also also with a conversation, because the thing about candles is they all have a scent, and so it's not just talking about the candle. You can also then engage about how much you love that scent. Here's ones that people always respond

to cedar, yes, mimosa, oh my god. And of course forest fire. Of course, a diptyq dosan um is always good too. I mean, I love to give people candles because I hate to them to buy them. They should only come as gifts. I mean, I'm sorry. I know we've been talking for five hours. I'm not going to keep rolling, honest. This all right? So here's the deal

it Stesse Clins. I don't think so, honey. And this is a moment for you to sort of rail against something in culture verse six seconds as we just have. So are you ready to do so? I mean, I hope I can live up to this guy. Yes, of course you will. Here we go, this is Jesse Klins. I don't think so, honey. Your time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Can we talk about Jessica Bill

and this trailer for this who joke? Candy she an innocent Jesse Kline watching TV the other night and Jessica Bill is on playing this I guess real life ax murderer killer named Candy Montgomery, her neighbor. And Jessica Bill is in a big curly perm wig and glasses, and I'm like, honey, you still look like Jessica Gobiel. You're still giving me just sitting next to justin timber Lake courtside at the Lakers. I don't care that you have on your perm wig. I don't care that you have

your Warby Parker aviator glasses, no hate. I'm sure you're great in it. But this is a role I saw someone in real life with love. I mean, she killed someone. She's a four or five or six at best, you're a t Leave this role to a Juillliard grad who's a four figer? Is this role? Don't a lot of conversation in the culture right now about who can play well.

And I still don't believe in tense playing fives one I'm talking about of course, I see her in those classes in that wig, and I'm like, let someone else shine. She killed someone's five six. Only the murderers murders that some of the ugliest people. Jessica Bill, if you want to know, I'm extending my she just have have someone write a screenplay for you where you play an ax

murderer who was a ten. You know, I know you want your your Emmy and your award and you want to do real acting, but like, don't don't put on that wig in those glasses. Can be like a woman in Texas who killed someone. Yeah, at least find the hot one, you know what I mean. I never want to judge another woman's appearance. But I looked at the real Candy Mirgomery, and I'm just saying, it's not a Jessica Bill role. She's not she's not unattractive. She's just

a regular gal. I do want to look this person up. Montgomery's just a regular gal. Yeah, Oh she's she's pretty. You know who's you know who's good at this? I feel who's good at this is Blake Lively. Like Blake Lively plays all different kinds of people, but she always makes sure they're looking good. I just think Jessica Bill, it's such a specific level of ten just to have. It's like I want to monomy clearly, are we gonna hear kiss me? Playing as you like? Take your gas off?

Killed this woman? I am seeing a side by side and it is really funny, like the chasm. Let me look at it, hold on specific pho. Let me just put it's a little bit of a ricky wigs. Okay, wait can you click on that? I just sorry, this is so funny on just really gorgeous, stunning. This is incredible. Oh just won't be so many actors. There's so many And Sarah Paulson playing Linda trip, you know what I mean. It's like, I don't know, probably probably could have found

probably could have found a Linda Trip type. We could have found. I mean, you know Shirley infamously doing for that oscar and it worked, but she never she never did it again, which which we were spacked, which we were. It's like ten's only I don't know, she can't do that deal with or deal Honey with deals gonna be alien that so brilliant. Oh my gosh, well listen, what

the hell? I feel like one of the best things that anyone could possibly do would be to pick up I'll Show Myself Out, which is out on April, which genuinely made me think and feel and laugh and I just feel like I'm better for reading it, and it is going to make me reach out to my mother um and already has and call your mom's and Jesse,

You're like, literally the best, the best. I cannot tell you how grateful and honor truly I am to be on this and I'm going to watch Titanic tonight and yeah, well, if we can turn out like you guys, think of the best, Thank you for coming on. I love that for you is streaming on April nine. Then you better remember that everyone, um, and yeah, what do you say about And every episode I think we and every episode with the song time in the You's true, You're now,

you haven't the girl. We have to go, Where to go? Bye,