"I Meeeaannn..." (w/ Kady Ruth Ashcraft)

but there is no receipts. But unfortunately for you, I will we we've now the receipt for your lateness on this app is now is now on the pod and I'm looking over at the computer and I see the receipts forming usually usual. What happened today? My therapist kept me because not not for any like you know, crazy, crazy reason. We just had to talk about insurance stuff, the most boring reason in the world. And I'm so sorry to our gust. It couldn't even have been a

good personal crisis. It wasn't. It was actually a great session, and I can talk about it. But first of all, I just have to say I was like already, like absolutely absolutely and rush to get here because I was so excited for this episode. But then I was like, but then, this is the moment before I buzzed up the studio. I'm going to text from Matt in the last cultures group group text which has h p h P j um HP, m hp HP. If you're not on it, um HP, Tracy's on it. I'm just waiting.

There's people on it. I'm waiting to be dragged. I get a text that goes, I mean from me, from you, because I mean half hours a long time. Yeah, but but yeah about insurance. If if it were reversed, I would be like, hey, just give it. Absolutely heard. No, that's the truly the funniest thing I ever heard, because I can literally bring a rest that you are the dumbest person in the car Ann Philbin episode of this podcast.

I was I think fifteen maybe seventeen maybe eighteen minutes like and you for the first twenty five minutes of that episode where ice cold contrasts towards me. You were ice cold, like like like Emily Blunt in that film in Yes, you were Elsa the Great Great, which is actually rule of culture number forty nine. It's it's Elsa the Great. She's not the princess or the queen, she's the great great that makes her seem Russian. I don't like that. I don't like that either. Now, okay, so

should I talk about therapy. Now we don't have to get well, we can, we can get into it, but I would like to basically post taste post taste. Oh my god, I love her guest. I'm obsessed. I'm up. Whenever I see our guests, I was like, oh, thank god. Everyone else I've seen before today is and nobody. And then I see our guests and I'm like, thank god, there's a somebody, and she's somebody. She just finished directing a film I can't wait to get into. I can't wait to get and find out about the life of

a filmmaker. The life of a filmmaker to someone who oversees the production, do you know how harder is to make a film? I think it's one of the hard truly, And I'm not even I'm not even making this like, you know, sarcastic, ironic. It's it has to be. It's the hardest thing you could possibly do. There's a lot of media about how harder is to make a film. Have you ever seen the movie Nine? Yes, my husband makes movies. He leaves that kind of dream. You know what.

I think. Our guest lives in a kind of dream, but in the best kind of dream. Yeah. And she's she's a Judy. Yeah, I love she's a Judy friendly from the jump. I'm telling you also great, I don't think so, honey, so good. Don't think she started in many many cities, Brooklyn and Washington DC, Washington, d C. Our nation's capital, our nation's capital. And you have to admit that. And you have to admit that. I mean I I yes, I forgive you. Of course I forgot.

I felt the victory, the animosity, the oh, the animosity. I would say this, I forgive. I never forget. It's actually real coaching number nine. I forgive, but I never forget. But I will never forget how much I love our guests. Our guest is unforgettable. So please welcome into your ears. Katie. Hello and daringly wearing a sundress. I'm not a sunny day. It felt like a little bit of false it didn't, you know what. Okay, today it was a day. We're walking around and I go, you forget we live on

an island. Yeah, Manhattans and island number eleven. Manhattan is an island, and you're like, do you really see a seagull? And you're like what, And then you wait, we're on an island, right, The seagull still doesn't belong there, though. Where do you see a seagull in the city? Yeah, I saw a seagull in bed Star where I live. You gotta be a seagull from bed Star. And that's how you know the next film, well, your next film, that's how you know. Seagulls are so stupid. They shouldn't

be there. A huge and they're big, they're so big, and I go float in the water somewhere. Have you heard about dan bird? No, So this is a new part of the culture. My mom was on the beach and she said I was. She texted me, I was eating a sandwich and then a seagull came up and stole my sandwich space exclamation point to spaces and then these words damn bird spelled d A M M damn. Remember that is like a beautiful, like ownership of her

own language. I love it. So you might even say that the next time you see a bird that's not so great. You might even have to say damn bird, d B dam bird. Now you know what? Can I also say Matt and I had a nice time while you weren't here, and it was not there was not a I know, I'm not dropped. I'm not dropped, um, but it wasn't like where is he? It's like bone will show up and shows up right now we're having our well were you guys? Actually this is a this

is great. I don't think that's ever happened for it. Can you give me a peek into what that conversation was? Um? I recorded ads for this podcast, Yes, and I was sort of charging my phone. Whoa and Kitty Ruth Um offered me a pringle and I said, you go ahead. Yeah, that's a beautiful connection. Yeah. I love that you're wearing the hat. So you also came in like a sun hat? Yes, that on hat and then so Um, I have this beautiful pink sun hat that the top there's no top

to it. It's sort of three thank you. And I actually got it the other week when I'm coming up the stairs of the subway and there's like a street stand. I'm headed to therapy and there's like a street stand and it's all I see like as I'm like walking up, is just this hat like hanging on a street stand and I was like kind of running late, but I had my wallet in my hand and it was like one of the most seamless things I've ever done. It's like, I see it, there's a little sign. It was like

five dollars. I just pull out of five, grab it off the clip, hand it to the man, put it on my head, like choreographed to therapy, and my therapist goes, great hat. It's like and it's the most natural thing I've ever done. York is New York. That is New York. It was it was Yeah, I mean it was great hat.

First first words that were said in therapy that session, and then always compliments my offits and well, so one thing we talk about in therapy is dressing and um base Yeah, yeah, I don't know therapy, and Bowen says he wants to share what happened in therapy. So it's interesting all I talk about in therapy. I wish I

could talk about dressing. Um well, First of all, I want to say the reason I bring up a great hat is that my my therapist will never, ever, ever, ever, ever be the first to be the one to initiate the conversation. Ever, even just walking in Hello, Hello, silence from her until I say something interesting. And I can't be like you can't you can't try to like be any like conversational. You can't like you can't ease into you can't be like how are you? She should be

like I'm okay. And then you have to be the one to bring up something I've never thought about. Um, it's it's it's very interesting. But today and therapy, it was about my needs being met because all I talked about in therapy is dating. So this, this this session was the last. Like the string of guys I've did in the last year, string has been cheese. That's how you know who we are. That's how you know cheese and together together and together we have a bunch of

I was like, let me talk. I was like, I was like, um, what we landed on was that, like, like I have my needs need to be met. That's it because I've been in this I've been in this place where I'm like, let me take care of you, and it's it's never quite been reciprocated. Oh you are talking about in relationship, Yes, you cater to the other person, Yes, and why do you think that is? I'm now the therapist.

You're not the therapist. I don't please. It's it's we haven't really drilled down into the why, but it's it's just that the awareness was the big like whoa step step one and I said, um, you know the last couple of guys I did. It's it's been me to I've been the one to be like, hey, let me like show you something cool, something you've been putting more than here, come comes come to this spot. I like to go come. You need them to show up at the that like halfway mark, Yes, I'm I'm sure paying

them the whole way. And the thing that's tough is that, um, if you're anything like me or a people pleaser, and um, I can only go to speak for myself. But I do that a lot too, and I like I do like that. I like being like this is me, I'm showing you this stuff. I'm letting you in. But then you're halfway through the game and you're like, wait a second, if I just piggy, are you ride? And I'm just like taking you to what I like to do, and like I'm opening up my life to you. But is

is it being reciprocated? Yes? Am I getting me fight back to your house? Right? And then all of a sudden, three for nine years and you haven't seen their home. All of a sudden, you realize that they're living like really, you never knew before nine years and nine years in absolutely never even seen their homes. I've been dating this guy for like nine years now, and I think I'm going to go over to his place. We're hoping it works out. Are you seeing someone? I'm not. No, I'm

still single. Do we love that? Love? I think we love that. We love that. Okay, here's the thing. Are the only one who calls me k A and love? I like it because it's such like a. It's like and it sounds like n right, and you know I'm gonna stop. I'm gonna stop. No one was thinking about now to be mad. I keep showing people the world the crazy rightfulest say kids like to have three names that, because I feel that must be very power. It rolls off the tongue for you that yeah, really, thank you

so much. I I love it. But I will say um when I introduced myself, so I'll be like, hi, I'm Katie Ruth and then you'll go, I'm Matt Rogers, and I go, oh, you think I'm saying my full name? And I remember was being was I was being at a show, just being at a show, and they were like and tonight, like I have performances from Patrigan and Katie Ruth, Katie rood Man. I was like, okay, but but also like, who am I to be like say

my last name, bitch? I don't know. I think that that's part of the part of the journey of getting your needs met. I'm sorry, excuse me. My name is Katie Ruth. As I've been here and I'm here and you must know and nine years, nine years. And also I want to find out where you live and go there. Yes, I feel it's my right. I don't need a key. I just want to tell me the address. Tell me the address. I want to see the honestly, okay. That

is a point in a relationship, a new relationship. I feel like when you're having a little like Nertini with someone and then you're like, let me show you the Google street map of the house. Oh my god, I just did that with the guy. Such a moment. It's such a moment, you know what the thing is. But I didn't ask him to do this. He was just doing it. He showed, he showed, he asked me for my address that I grew up in, and then he looked at it. And then I was like, isn't that

I'm scared for you. No, it wasn't like I can't believe he's doing this. He's doing what he's doing. No, it's such as And then like it's so funny because you just like do the three sixty and you're like, yeah, that's that's the car. My dad used to Okay, okay, that's it. Fine. Yeah, well it's weird too because I don't live there anymore. And so then I looked at it and also it's like you can go on Zillo here, been on z alone pictures at the inside of your

old house. It's it's full. And then I got emotional because I was like, oh man, I love my old house that I grew up in so much. And then this is the gay You can see how much it like goes for if it were being sold, and I was like, that's crazy to think about your home because you always just think of it as your home and not as something to be bought and sold or having value.

But it's just weird. And then I was like, looking especially, I think if you're especially like I grew up in the same home from like four till we moved out of it like three or four years ago. I wasn't moving around, you know, So then that way, I'm just like, this is just where I live. But then I wonder if you're someone who moves around a whole lot, you are just thinking of houses as like commodities, cash cash. It's all about cash cash, because I want to buy

a house. Yeah, I've been watching the show Dead to Me and she's like a real estate. Um, that's what it is, a three name an estate. Actually that's Perfomantis from Katie's and real estate, but form and performances. It's like it's performances from and real estate. That is a band. I feel like she is it really yes, real culture? Um,

so basically, um wait what was I saying? So she plays a real estate Asian on the show, and something that her character will do is she'll just knock on doors of houses that she'll like and she'll be like, are you thinking of selling? And it's like that because also so like I'm in bed Sty and then that is a neighborhood that's getting like rapidly gentrified, and there's a lot of people who have owned the homes there

for a very long time. And then there's like they have signs on their door that's saying this home is not for sale. Don't ask because I think people like developers come up there like how much? Yeah, which is crazy. Can you imagine? No? I really can. I mean that's not something I ever knew to be true. Crazy thing happened this morning. Okay, So, um, I woke up to

someone knocking on my door. Really, I'll be like, I was awake, just like I was, um, And I look at the people and it's a cop and I opened the door. I have like the chain. I don't open all the way because I'm like what does this cop want? Um? And he's like did the woman across from you move out? And I was like, well, someone just moved in there this weekend. I also just moved in two weeks ago

to this, so like, um, thank you, wow moment for me. Um. And they're like I was like, well someone just moved in, So I'm guessing someone just moved out, and then they're like, have you seen this man? It was a photo and I was like no, and then he was like okay, well thank you. And I was like, wait, is he

dangerous like you? Yeah? And then they were like, so he's the nephew of the woman who used to live here and he is considered armed and dangerous and would sometimes come here, and they were just gonna leave, and I was like, but he's like, I guess the aunt doesn't live here anymore. And I was like, well, I like, I was like, yeah, I don't know. And then they're like,

we'll call the cops if you see him. And it's truly the most like it first grainy as photo like security footage tangle of this West African man, and I'm just like no, like, first of all, like this is a try. You're trying to be like, call the cops if you I'm like, I can't see what this man looks like. I can't just call the cops on like any West African man. I see. That's crazy. And I just was like, no, goodbye, dangerous. It's so crazy that they were just going to come drop that information and

then leave. And then and then you had to ask and should I be worried? Is he dangerous? And they not know. I guess she's not here. I wouldn't know that. It was such a it was a moment alone. Know. My roommate was there. My roommate was like, what was that? And I was like, well, maybe you should go see

this guy's photo, even though it's a terrible photo. And she looked at it also, she like chased them out the street and was like, chase them out and I was like, let me see the photo because we're like but then like it's a it was a terrible photo, like print it out on compute. It was like an email print like mad head shot. Wait, actually not going to say the word head shot. Her eyes opened so wide, split her head, you know. Okay, I turned into like

a little parakeet. Okay. One time I had to return some film equipment to the UCB Training Center and I

had to go in through the freight entrance. There's a security guy down there, and that is where they have um all the people not allowed to enter the building because they're like they might be trying to get in through the back entrance and not through their I d with the front entrance and so it's like for the people, yeah, and there was their head shots, Oh my god, a bunch of like ub shot just literally like it was

other floors. It's like Facebook profile photo. And then for UCB it's like there was one guy with a clown nose on and it sayn't do because but it's like yeah, because these people have given you to their head shots with them. They're like, do you have a photo? They're like, actually, we have their photo of their resume. Yeah. I haddle this film equipment and anyone I didn't know. I didn't recognize anyone, but I would have. I wish I had

taken a photo of the equipment in my hand. And I was like going to the freight elevator, and I was just like, this is the funniest thing I've ever seen, just like a bunch of head shots on the undesirable, and that it was so funny. The culture is the funniest thing. In think it's absolutely funny what people think is a good picture of them when they post on Facebook, like which one of these five and all of them with the same like half smirk. And if you also

like my head shots, shelf life is six months. Yeah, but not even that you like change your look, it's that you look back on it and you're just like, no, I'm not that person. Um, I should apologize to people from my past. And the worst is like, don't I haven't updated my website in such a long time and at the time, like I put all my old head

drops up there. So now whenever anything happens or it's like people find a picture of me to from a first show, it's always these like insane pictures of me with like a goatee and like like like have you changed your website at all? Glow in the dark green? Oh my god, it's so bad. You have to take it down. I took my dot. You have to take yours down, your website down. Yeah. I was just like, or should I just take it all down and just

put like tour dates up? Sure? She's honestly, yeah, I mean, do one picture because right now it's like bio with all these like insane bad jokes. Oh no, is it really embarrassing? I don't know, no, no, no no, no, no no, I haven't I don't remember the bad jokes. But it's like, yeah, but that is actually cut out. It's terrible, it is.

But it's headshock culture and website culture. Oh god, kind of had the ugliest moment, like, yes, do you know I did this thing where I was looking through UM I downloaded my whole archive of my Facebook posts and like a ZIP file right in todition because I deleted it permanently. I did, like whatever, but I was looking for an old video of that. Matt and I are going to revitalize stay tuned, UM. But by the time

this comes out, it's four nights. We're the original cast, original cast, and creative team behind the original locations and settings, original locations. UM. This is sort of related to that. Last night, I was having dinner with a friend who grew up in UM Celebration. Florida is like one of those Disney towns and all the and there's a bunch

of tourists that come there all the time. And she was only there for like three years, she said, UM, and one time she was riding her bike and fell off the bike and Taurus started taking and he thought it was like a joke character bit. Yeah, isn't that anyway? Did they shoot? I don't know. I think it's I think it was like, oh no, but it's like the

whole there's like a main street. You can't see me, reader, but I'm like quoting, and it's like it's supposed to be like a little Disney town, but a lot of Disney employees lived there. Yes, yes, it's central, it's close, it's right there. It's kissing me like celebration. Yes, they're all right there. Well you've ventured outside of Orlando. Whenever you guys go there, there's one lobster place which is amazing,

which is all you can eat lobster buffet. And I have gone there, and one time, famously, my dad said when we were there for like the third year and around, he was like, you know, it's almost worth it to just fly down here for this. And my dad said, it's almost worth it to fly down here just for this. And I remember, like literally it was like something that we all were like, you're right, like like without knowledge, just like should we What were you saying about the

zip file you downloaded? Why? I've just been looking at like it saves it saves all your videos from like the plastic MacBook era. Do you do you know what I'm talking about? Front decent camera like pix related as fuck, and like god, I looked so crazy back then, and like what counted is like funny videos to put on your friend's walls. Back then, it was like, it's truly like this, this is an example, but I had to

turn it off immediately. It was I. It was me and Henry Gamble being in Billy donwin is bed in college and being like, hey, Billy, we're in your bed, and that was that surely horrible. It's a gay joke. It's no, it's it's not even no, no, no, it wasn't evenose receipts. Actually he is mad that you're late. It's like you're so mad at me. I can feel like it was it was. It's it's just like, oh my god, this counted is like interesting humor behavior about behavior.

You would just come like yeah, you would just come, and things being like miss you, like see you soon, yes, yes, yeah, And it's like we all had text messaging what were we doing doing or like last night was fun. Two years from now, we're gonna listen back to this and be like this is the most embarrassing conversation somehow. I mean, I don't know about that. I think this actually is the coolest thing ever. I think we I think we're

gonna have that moment with Facebook store. Her name is just like wow, that person is just talking to their camera and their husband is out of like four ft away, like just on his phone scrolling, and she's like, today's been crazy, and I'm just like it's I just I feel crazy for me a little bit addressing I've done this before, so I'm reading myself too, but addressing your phone and being like hey guys, anything, yes, and having to like a moat you won't believe, and it's like

you're in a room by your sell why are you moaning? Yeah, Like what's just yeah, Oh my god, I've done it. I did it one time to Capital Last by Hailee Steinfeld, and I was like, I hope people know this is like ironic in a joke because when you watch it, there's it doesn't it can tell you to this morning because last to night I got I smoked weed and I thought about starting a Twitch channel and I was

like absolutely not. Yeah, but I might still do it, but absolutely not at this That's something I have no interest in, was Twitch. It's it's the gaming streaming where you're playing a game and like you have a webcam on you and you're just like that is what being a girlfriend is. Just like watching a guy play video games, that's actually a real culture. Twitch is what being a girlfriend is. Yes, yeah, absolutely, it's Oh god, anyway, did

your ex boyfriend like to play video game? I've never dated a real game, which I think that your character, yeah, or like if the game the game in their own time. Yeah, right, that that is a need of mine. Where like I'm not going to spend time with you and you're just staring at your just following down a little path trying

to get a little treasure Chester. You know what's interesting is when you when you start seeing someone or you're hanging out with someone and like that you have like who they've presented to you and like the sort of peacocking dating thing. Um, and then the hidden interests start to come out, you know what I mean, Like those little things like like whenever like okay, I'll just be

I'll just reveal this whenever I go on my YouTube. Um, like you ever click on YouTube and there's yeah, it is who you are, it's who you are the cross section of what you like and so like I didn't do this with anyone I was dating, but I did do it with Greta Titleman and Abe Shorts who I was living with, Like one time they saw my YouTube like landing page or whatever, and it was it was like it was like clips from the view and construction

videos from theme parts of like roller coasters and favorite protractions that they are building, and I had to turn to them because the whole wives would be like, oh, like I love Housewives, Like that's who you're presented. That's like your son sign and this is your moon, your moon signed like YouTube and do you want to know what's been appearing lately? This is so humiliating. There's a

scene from Glee. It's like Gwyneth Paltrow's last scene ever that she was on on Glee where she just sang Turning Tables by Adele And then there's a scene where she says goodbye to Matthew Morrison a k a. Will Schuster because she got a new job as a substitute teacher.

The whole, the whole bit of her character was she's a sub so she's never around very long and she like goes and hops from school to school and subs and it's fun and changed people's lives like a carpetbagger, and so she has she realizes that it's going to get serious with Matthew Morrison, sings turning tables and then test to him in the hallway, I got a new job subbing somewhere else. I'm gonna be teaching Spanish in um,

Cleveland isn't that great? And they have this I got a new job somewhere and you can tell it was a joke, like I'm gonna be teaching Spanish and Cleveland isn't that great, but Gwyneth Paltrow just deliver. It's very mad and matter of factly, and you're like, okay, we're moving on. But um, so she she says to him like he's like, are you having any having any feelings at all about leaving? And she's like, no, I'm a substitute teacher, this is my life and allergic to commitment.

And then they have this beautiful moment where she says to him like, you're in love with someone else and it's okay, and I'm I'm leaving so you can go to live your truth. And then she movie star walks away, turns around and is like and just so you know, she's totally into you. Too, and then she turns away again and she gets a second movie star turnaround moment, which is Matthew Morrison goes, Holly, you come back and visit, and she asked this moment where she turns around, tears

in her eyes. She looks stunning her her beautiful hair is like back. She's in this beautiful or just black dress, and she goes, I thought you'd never and then she literally walks away into the black shadows and she looks so stunning, and you're like movie star first of all. So because I watched that, I'm now getting like these scenes from the later seasons of the recommending I watched

and I'm like, no, get these out of here. Um I I have had I've been rewatching ten things I Hate about you because I'm writing an essay on this one scene. Or Heath Ledger he's dropping off cat and because she's just been drinking at the party. Remember, he goes like, I can't pretend, I can't do an accent at all. But he's like, no offense. I know everyone's crazy about your sister, but she's without, and that is

stuck with me. She's without? Is that from Shakespeare? Is that from taming the true I don't know, and then she does this sort of also like her head spins around like a little owl and like her mouth parts and it's like and then kind of smiles like I might just fall and like she like, let's face sets. She didn't say anything, like the face is like I

think I can fall in love with you. You get at my sister like it's without but I'm with with And it's literally like, um cemented my entire sexuality of love life that it's so but I've been writing about it's just been like watching all of these clamps and my whole thing right now is just like Heath Ledger like slow mode, like sand like rest in Peace videos and him looking hot and the song is like ever living you make me so make me a want and drop you started to get and exactly Ken Burns down.

Face two is like waste and you're like, okay, but those you know what I'm talking about, those fan videos that like little Girls make that are like sexually videos you make me absolutely? What's not on your YouTube page when you go on the home page, um this um a lot of cooking videos. I follow these two YouTube chefs. One of them is this Rachel Ray knockoff named Laura Tally and she lives in Jersey. She might have voted

for Trump. Um, but she's lovely. She like makes the most basic food in the world, and it all looks delicious, Like it's the most delicious beefs she's ever seen. No, she's she's better than Antony. And she has a lot. She has some charisma. It's developed every time you go back and watch her first videos. And she's just like so uncomfortable and so nervous and doesn't know what to do and doesn't know like where to look and like you know what to say and how to like fill

in the silence. And now she's like very season and she's she's very compelling to watch. Um. Then do you cook? No, don't's not even done. I don't okay, I was gonna ask give you, like make the recipe. Sometimes I do, Like I've made her green got a salad. It's really good. I've made I've made her beefs too. It's delicious. Um. And then and lately it's been a SMR because Natalie Walker recommended. Natalie Walker for some reason, knows so much about a SMR. And I've been getting into it. And

Queen of Serene. Everyone please check out Queen of Serene. Queen of Serrene, she lives. She's this like hippie, dippy lady in Texas who does amazing handwork, like hand like A big part of the SMR is like the visual component, which is like moving the hands. And she's she started out just on her face and now she's moved away to just your hands because she has she went through

the surgery where it's made her gain weight. And she's very self conscious about being on camera and she's very honest about that and it's very like and like it just makes you like her and like she just does a lot of hand movements. And she has this video that I think is phenomenal. It's one hour of her she went but you will absolutely watch this, both of you. She she goes to a thrift store. She went to a thrift store and bought a DVD and a VHS

player for five dollars. And this is part of the video. Yes, it's it's it's in the lead up to the video, she's telling you about all in SMRs and not going to do it, but she's all on a no. Well, she she's so there's there's soft spoken and there's a whispering a smar so whispering asmrow is actual literal whispering, but spoken. It's like, so today I went to It's like, oh my god, that's the point that she so she so,

she'll she narrates. It's it's a top, it's an overhead camera over a beds sheet, and it's her backdrop for putting these VHS tapes of Disney movies that she just bought at the thrift store. She goes, I got these eight for eight for one dollar, and then she goes and then and then she says, you can't beat that price, and it's the most soothing doing voice in the world. Sweet. It's just like there's got to be like a like an extreme coupon ing and a SMR crossover. There has

to be. But like that is her life that she like she does like Korean beauty halls and like all the stuff where she just she taps her nails on like all these products, but she taps her nails on these v these vhs as of Disney movies and then she just talks through them. And it's the most like basic rude of entry, like assessment of all these iconic

Disney movies where she's just like the Little Mermaid. Oh no, because here's the thing is, it's like, it really doesn't matter what you talk about as long as you're doing exactly, which is cool, it's coo, but it's is it a sexual thing for me? It's not for me. It's because here's something everyone. So it doesn't work. It doesn't do anything work. It just makes me uncomfortable. Speak up, speak up,

speak up. I can't hear you. Um. But everyone I asked, they're like, it's not sexual for me, but for some people that is. But like I've never met someone who's like, yeah, it's sexual. I get off to it. Well I did. I did seek out at one point male a SMR. And there's just one guy who looks just like Chris Hemsworth who like his whole thing is he's a rude Englishman and he'll be like he does like rule, he'll do like she'll be like rude restaurant, rude restaurant page.

I hate this and people people love that. I hate this. So that was like I kind of got off on that and didn't literally get off on it, like like all this is like a fun little like studio boyfriend experience.

But Natalie, Natalie and I talked about this where she's like, I don't she and I don't get down with the young girls who do it because that is like that's crazy because that feels like other like men are using them for no. No, no, no no. And that's my problem with the whole thing is it's like I feel like some people are doing it for one reason, and then people are consuming it for a whole reason. Yes,

and it's dark and it's like why are what's going on? Well, So the Queen of Serene, So Queen of Serene is like very this is the shitty word to say, and like I don't mean for this to sound prejorative because it's not. But she's wholesome, like there's no like sexual. I mean it sounds like she's going to a thrift store by a VHS like she does, and it's wild.

She has a series of what she calls hospitality baskets where she's like she like she'll show you baskets to leave in her guest room and things that she puts in them, like snacks and like like like razors and like shaving cream and like the shampoos and like she'll be like, I'm whipping up my little I guess you could call it a little box. I put it up off my toilet like loose razors. This one's really filthy. I should throw it out. Oh this is a pair

of tweezers that are brown on. This is my daughter is a bitical co and here's just some brown water in the corner. Did an emergency C section? I think that you should do like a parody a smore. I caount yeah, anyway, I think I think you too should just dip your toes and talk to Natalie's I wouldn't. I am not surprised to hear that Edalie Walker likes SMR because she could do it good SMR. I think she's like she's she's from the theater, so she can hit all yea. Now, all this talk about VHS takes

me back. And so what I want to do with Katie ruth as I want to take her back? To take her back? And I would like to ask Katie Worth Ashcraft our guests today on this episode of Lost Culture, is this what was the culture that made you say culture is for you? And you guys look really excited. Your mouths are open, and I know I'm just so

excited to answer this question. I also, I told you guys, I just moved, and so I when I was packing and unpacking, which was like a truly a three week process, I listened to so much of your guys so much, and I've listened to a few episodes. I literally listened to like all of it. I got this email being like, come beyond it, and I was like, I truly think I manifested anyways. But I was like, before I got the email, I was like, what would my answer be?

And I was like, thinking about it, this couldn't have been better timing, my god. Um, but I have so many answers you can give them all the talking about them all. Okay, um, see what was the culture? Okay? I have a very distinct memory, so I am not like, even though I make films, I'm not a huge like movie buff. I feel like I missed out on so did I everything I hear. But I also like, I like what I like. You know, it's like, but that's as something's a problem with me, of like a problem

with me, um, a problem with me? Remember that pieces of me, piece pieces pieces of me twice live. Anyways, I have this very distinct memory of being at the beach with um my cousins and then some family friends. We always went down to the outer Banks in North Carolina, and my cousin f from He was like, there's this movie that's so funny, everyone should watch, and it was drop dead gorgeous, and yes, thank god, thank god maybe but once before, but it was it wasn't someone else's culture.

Anytime anyone answers to this question and they don't say drop dead gorgeous, I just go yeah. When it just came out on Hulu to so that I re entered the zeitgeist. That is a helpful culture Hulu. I think Ly four, which is so perfect, and I just remember watching that and being like the one, this is the absolute funnies thing I've ever seen in my whole entire life.

And it also it was like women being so funny in reverent and like I I don't consider like myself a performer, but I consider myself very funny ya, which is a chill thing to say, but I do. And um, but it's so it was like I don't know, just like everything, so I don't know it I mean it was like this is everything that was so like the scene where the former pageant winner who has anorexi don't things,

don't slips, don't go out loud. I'm being pushed around in a wheelchair just like not even like not even by today's standard, does not. I don't. I don't find like a non pc or like offensive. It's the irony, like just that image is so funny, yes, and that like um, just like that slice of culture and that being played like it was obviously for laughs, but then

just seeing the audience like loving it. Like that's when I was like, this is the funniest thing I've ever seen in my whole That's so funny about that to me is the fact that that was her winning talent when who could Forget Loud by Melissa Manchester. And it's just like, oh my god, the realization that that was what she had done. It was just like a reprise

of her winning talent. The physicality of the actress and she has her arms like they're spinning her around in the wheels I mean, and then when when it's keeping just keep it inside learn that a cultural way. Oh my god, I mean that was just the best thing I've ever seen in my whole entire life. So that was such a moment for me. And I think that kind of like started me off on like, um, just

like funny teenage girl movies. So that made way for well tend things that we hate about you Jawbreaker, Sugar and Spice, these movies for me. What was the other one? Welcome to the Dollhouse, which like it was just like, oh, girls being crazy is my favorite thing. And I think I mean like yeah, like not the conversation with like our women funny or whatever, because we're not. But it's like I just like locked in with that so much.

And I think and when I was thinking about this question a lot of like, so, my mom comes from this big old Catholic family and there's five girls and one brother, and like her and her sisters are just like the funniest women in the whole entire world. And I come from these like matriarchal like my dad's families, like he was raised by his grandmother, and it's just like the women just like rule yes, and they were

so fucking funny. And finally I was just like, yes, I'm seeing all these crazy women on TV, and I love it. Yes, it's like that thing we were saying we were saying on the on the episode we recently recorded where it's like with nex Twitter, something happens where you don't necessarily understand exactly why you it's hitting with you so hard, but it hits with you so so hard, and then maybe years later you'll figure it out why.

But it's like I remember watching Drop Dead Gorgons and lots of those movies you just mentioned and being like, I know this is my sense of humor. I do not know why these like this like Midwestern town of that's like led by this all fame outcast. Like I think I did know why because it just was like I obviously just like gravitated more towards women, but it

was yeah, totally. And like especially with Draptic Gorgeous, it's the pacing of it is so great, like carbonated, Like it's just there's so much happening, so it's fun the entire time. My god. Yes, my only complaint with that movie is that when it ends, I'm like I wanted to see that everything wanted. It almost feels like there's a third beat. It doesn't play. Yeah you know what I say. Okay, So you know what I say, You know what I say? You know what I say, You're wrong.

Problem there is something What is so great is like because you're kind of just like living in this world and we're following along with the pageant and with these murders. But then what feels sort of dissatisfying is that like about that ending is that it sums up and they're like and then she went on to work with Diane Sawyer, which is wonderful and it's great, but it's not um

the narrative strung sure of it. I feel like it doesn't feel like there should be an ending because it feels like you're kind of just in like a waiting anything there, which I do. I think that is a kind of comedy I love though, but you don't want to ever end? Yeah, I mean that's I think it's a comment on how great it is because when you remember feeling like it didn't have a third beat, but really the third the first beat is the preparation and then the real climax of that movie is the pageant

in the town. Yeah, I mean, like, and also I remember, like, I don't know how you guys feel, but I personally have and I don't know what this has about me, but when when people die in movies, I I don't know what this is, but I have I really get upset when people die in movies, like because I'm like, that was someone's life, and like when I don't know what it is, I'm literally crazy, Richards, No, no, no, because in this movie, I only thought it was funny, like it was so big and like when when the

girl gets blown up on the tractor in the beginning, I'm like, these are it's like a funny. And maybe it's because I was young and like wasn't so cookie

bananas and like didn't care so much. But it's like I think I have gotten older, I've become more sensitive and like when people die in movies, I'm like that's sad, like alive, and at this time with this movie is just like it's so cartoonish and and like so funny that every character that dies, like I'm just like there somehow, somehow Denise Denise's flow flowing up and seeing Kirsty Alley's character just gree just it's crazy, that's shocking, and like

it is it is actually the first real moment of like pain and pathos that you feel that. I mean, Kirsty Alley gives a great everyone, I mean incredible, we got her, Denise Richards, Kirsten Done. I mean we've literally sung the praises of Kirston Done on this podcast so many times. Underrated makes it look easy one of the best. Yeah, I was, I think that. Yeah, Like it does have this weird third act problem where just sort of evaporate at the end, where like the last is kind of

just like the food poisoning at the Nationals. Yes, there's a heightening thing. That's what we're like waiting for so long about like what's happening and then we get the answer. But then yeah, I don't know, Like I don't hate it, but it's not good. Does that make I tell you that nowadays? Nowadays that is a series nowadays, like because there wasn't the I think space, Oh my god, maybe they should do this now, I mean talk about something that should be rebooted as a series, like really, have

you guys rewatched it recently? It doesn't. It doesn't, but but I will say parts of it do well. A lot of it does. Parts of it that you could not do, like the references to the mentally challenged k. Yeah, and the Japanese family even some pedophile humor is like yeah, like there's a lot of it that is like but you could redo it now in irresponsible to um. Yeah, I know it was very funny a few years ago, Like I showed it to an old boyfriend being like, this is the movie that raised me and I hadn't

seen it a long time. Was I was like, yes, but the things I remember about like the little one liners like do you think you have them all? You think it in the park La of America with them all? I went to them all America and I said that, um, but yeah, I mean it's it's absolutely brilliant, and then her a little like, uh, whether they can't tell you

can't hold the wine like us? Just like yeah, also like truly, all the supporting performances are so good, like the two drunk ladies at the end who run the regional padget Yes, like so good like Allison Jenny and Ellen Barbar and together truly, I mean that is a duo we should cherish. Yeah that was oh my gosh. Yeah, So that that was one that like opened my eyes of just being like, oh, I'm finally seeing women as funny as I know they should be portrayed because it's

like you really didn't. I remember on Stars at the time, there was that movie that played again and again and again and also bringing On, so it was like double dose Dunced and it was large female cast of really and what I liked about it is the characters were characters, you know what I mean, like really like Eliza dou was character and bringing On. That's like you never forget

that character. It was well drawn, well performed, like Gabrielle Union was so like strong in that movie, and like such like every actress was playing it for everything it was worth. Even the little supporting characters like that didn't get anything, like there were choices made like it was fun and it was like it was camp be to use totally totally and there's and like not to like always more in something from like from the past. But like you like, it's weird that you don't get a

small budget comedy with large female casts anymore. Besides, like I mean, you get you get like Bridesmaids, but those are but then right there's like a small budget thing with like a bunch of like great actors, but that kind of thing gets like shut it away at Netflix or its like or it gets buried in No one's gonna watch it and haveing like a big conversation, right maybe like someone great, someone I was gonna say, you know what, you get a lot nowadays, and this is

not this is not to pooh pooh it. It's just like, I see there's a formula that we're following, and I think we should be cognizant of the fact that it could get a little road. You see a lot of like three diverse girls, you know, like one white girl, one Spanish girl, and one black girl, and it's just like look at them, and it's just like you guys, like I can feel you trying to to to cater

to an audience. And it's like like because of the way they market it and because of like do you know what I'm saying, I get that, you know, like you know what I call them like Instagram story movies, Like it's a little like um yeah, and it's it's like, oh, no, showing me some fucking weird, show me some like you know, there's not I mean. And then there are movies like that, but it's like but they're far and few between. Um oh, I had a point I was going to say about

Zoeel does um oh. But I think part of it is like with the reaction of like social media and stuff. I remember remember that short story that came out like two years ago, maybe cat Person, and I really liked that. I thought it was good and then um, but then there's like this backlash being like, um, actually it's not good.

It's fat phobic, and it's like, well it can be, but the yeah, and it's like, well it's a piece of fiction, like people are fat phobic, like we can this girl is allowed, like you know what I mean. It's like that doesn't make it a bad story. You don't that's a character you don't like. And people couldn't distinguish the two. And I thought it was an article because they were like this is like they were treating the treatment of it was like the conversation round. It

was like, was that it was like a news story. Yeah, it was like it's problematic and it's like, well, no, it's a story, Like I don't know it was. It

was like kind of like they couldn't decipher. So I think some of these people are like we need these people, we super relate to and like and then it's like, well, yeah, we know what if we have some one who like they're fat phobic or they're whatever, and I'm like, that's not a good trait in them, but like we're following their story and we don't have to be like rooting

for them. And I do want to just go out on a women say that the people who we're calling cat person fat phobic were just the men, because it was like, you're making fun of she doesn't want to funk this dude who weighs like more than who has a weird b M. I like, whatever, weird, but you know what I'm saying, It's like it was that I distinctly remember that that being sort of pushed by Yeah, and when also like here's the thing, like there are women who are fat phobic, and there's women who are

also Like that is like not being like I think somebodys we get a little caught up and being like that story deserves to be told, um, which like yes, that does like work in a lot of ways. But then also it's like, yeah, but like let's hear from these like you know, I guess like anti heroes a little.

I don't know if the anti heroes like yeah, yeah, we don't have to be like on the same page as the people were seeing their story, and it is there is a lot of sex as a minute too, because it's almost like when something like Breaking Bad or mad Men happens, it's like, you know, literally Donald Draper and Um Walter White become like almost like icons Donald Donald Trump, Donald Trump Um, but like they become like style icons, cultural icons and like you you you Don

Draper is like a horrific person, but yet like he's like Don Draper and his cool and like but meanwhile, like and this is not to necessarily like super like whatever.

What I'm saying is like it happens to a show like Girls and like uh Hannah Horror Wrath does things that are like shitty, and it's like, well, Girls endorses this kind of person and Girls where it's like with all these shows that revolve around men, it's like just because mad Men is about a misogynist who's like, you know, like a cheater and like like an alcoholic and so many of those things, it does that like we we

don't say, well mad Men endorses this kind of man. Yeah, interesting, like look at a complicated man well they get antihero and then and then it's only recently where like the anti heroine is embraced and we can't just see everyone

as like anti hero you know what I mean. It's like these shows with women at the center or with female cast, it's like we hold them accountable for the behaviors are the characters, and it almost makes it impossible to see shades of gray and these kinds of people because I think it's like with cat person, it's like,

well it's fat bobic, you know what I mean. It's like, Okay, well maybe it's just like about this type of person, and it's like you're saying it's a story, sure, yeah, exactly, Yeah, yeah, but you know what I miss. You know what I miss is that like I miss like a fucking villain, like someone that you're everyone is meant to hate and be on the same page about. At the same time, there's not fictionalized. There hasn't been a fictionalized villain on

TV or in film that sticks out to me. Yeah, but you're you're you're still supposed to like there's still like this thing where like people feel like they need the creators need feel they need to round out these characters by like having you sympathize with them in some way, and it's like, sometimes give me the tropes, like give give me the stock characters. Like I don't know, I

don't know. I like, yeah, maybe maybe that's like a weird unfounded claim that I'm making, But like I feel like we're massing, Like yes, like we're all like getting off on like complicated anti heroes or whatever. Even with the most famous villains like Maleficent, it's like, don't way to humanize her. And it's like she's a Maleficent. She turned into a dragon and test to kill villain. That that's she's iconically a villain. So let Angelina Jolie be

the villain. That's why we bought the ticket. Actually, we don't need to actually actually number forty three. Let why we bought the ticket. Actually, um okay, really quickly, I just want to say it just you you're talking about dropped a gorgeous not while not holding up for some reason. Last night, I this is not quite the same thing. But last night I decided to I never watched Friends.

I don't really care for it as a show, but I put on the Brad Pitt episode and I was like, I remember loving this when it when it when it aired, it was like eleven and like loving it, loving it, loving it. It was like the funniest thing I've ever seen. It was so cool. At such a moment, everyone was watching Brad Pitt Beyond Friends Um a terrible episode, terribly written, and I would say actor Brad Pitt sucks in it,

like it was just about the novelty. But then like the whole storyline was like yeah, like Brad Pitt and like Brad's character and Ross starting this rumor in high school that rachel Um was intersex and that she was a hermaphrodite, and that was like such a like a cathartic laugh line of like, oh that show was number one for LGBT. Yes, yes, but it was also show that was on every night, every every night in my house.

And it's one of those shows that where I've seen every episode, but like I couldn't tell you on every night. So there are there's some people and I don't and I don't understand these people, and I would love for to sit down over coffee and talk to talk to these people about this. It is a textureless show that is a smooth surface. I cannot tell you what happens in it. Well, I mean that was what comedy was then.

It was like someone coming in and like Karen Walker being like all right, Mary, and then they listen Pam's just like it's like it is funny, but it's not. It's not a joke. Yeah. But then also those then also like they do do jokes on their shows in the most like joke way. Yeah, it's like this interesting thing where it's like, I don't know, Network TV in the nineties, just like truly, and then we're like, we gott to invent the Internet and like get us something

else to do. We got it that the internet. We got it that the internet. We had show up to the office or they inventing the internet, Like, guys, we're pushing up the netline game Bad Friends is getting bad speaking like they are rolling out the red carpet for that once upon a time in Hollywood. Now have you heard anything about this? I heard about the trailer. As a filmmaker, what do you think of tarantine? Um? I mean, like I it's hard for me to have a super

strong opinion about anything. I like, there's what is he made that I've liked um Um. I liked no, no, no, what's the one with pulp fiction? Um? Like I don't like worship at the Church of Him. It's a little like a Tarantino movie is a Tarantino movie. Um. Sometimes it just feels so like he's saying things no one else is saying, and like he's doing what anyone else dares to do. And I'm just like like, well, I don't know, like I don't think that's true. I think

it's true. It's like a little like it's just that these people on pedestals and that's like what this issue is. Like we're just start of seeing the same things and it's like, yes, that's cool, but like let's get a few like yeah, I don't know. Somebody said like like circulating on Twitter years. The reason I bring it up is because it was like Brad Pitt and Leonardo DiCaprio and they asked them both like, so, what are you

guys going to retire? Brad Pitt is fifty five and Leonardo DiCaprio was forty four, So asking Leonardo Caprie he's gonna retire a to me is and and also it's just like what could we be more obsessed with you. He's forty four. But also the second thing happened where it was like there was this article that was like, Leonardo DiCaprio has bravely never done a sequel and never done a superhero movie. Someone and two year old Zoe because in posted something. She posted this article and then

she wrote something I love, which was um. She she wrote, like do a movie with a female director for the first time in twenty years? Challenge? Yeah, I was honestly, yes,

let's not. Let's what was the last movie he did with the female I don't know, but like it's been yere and it's like there hasn't been a lot that there hasn't been a lot of effort on Leonardo DiCaprio's part to involve like if you ever really think about it, every time Leo was in a movie, he does show and it's like really sort of masculine argro stuff, and it's like he comes from that, like so funny brad Packy, like it killed a Barry lived in it, like Man Man,

Man Man, and it's like, yeah, he never did a sequel or like in a superhero movie. But Katie Rith is just like, yeah, Brayley dates like a twenty two year old. It's like, yeah, like he's the same like person as Dane Cook in essence. You know. It's like it's not like don't make him no, That's what I'm

kind of saying. It's like, yeah, he's he's not like he's good, but like we kind of like elevate these people of like and it's sort of it's like but yeah, like actually like we're seeing art in such a like eight person little cesspool, and it's like, yeah, go with

a female director exactly. Imagine a female director being like a bear is going to birthly truly, like like yeah, like vaginal metaphors, right right right, if they don't want to, if they don't want to, wait, what are your other answers if you have them, if you would like to offer, you know, okay, Well, so, so both of my parents are artists. So I grew up in a very like little arty household, but there are my mom's a printmaker and my dad's a sculptor. Um. But I yeah, that

was cool. I know, it is it is, and so like I do feel like I was very one thing that has been so helpful, and it's something I only kind of been realizing recently because like being a creative person, um, your success gets very tight into like your popularity and UM. That is, believe it or not, something I've struggled with. And I think I'm the only one actually that's you. Yeah,

that's that's a mean thing I'm working on in therapy. UM. But I will say one thing is like they're both incredibly talented and they're very respected in their fields, but they're not like famous artists, and um, that has been such a helpful thing for me to think about in terms of like growing up my whole life, like they're artists and as nothing tied in with like yeah exactly,

And there's something that's been very helpful about that. And just like that this choice, I think that's been sort of recently, maybe in the last like two years from me. You're just being like, oh, I am a filmmaker, I am an artist and like um and just like deciding that and not waiting for approval. And I will say that sort of a mindset switch has helped me create

like some of my best work. It's like you're just doing it, um, and it's not like you're not trying to find like you're not trying to tap into an energy that's already out there there or like in the zeitgeist. It's like you're just following what you want to be doing because like you have to trust yourself as a

creative and as an artist. Um and yeah, so I think that was like incredibly helpful and incredibly like and also like I had like a normal child, people like artist Mui have been crazy and it's like no, like to church every Sunday, like you know, um, so cool and like like and that will be like a constant fixed point for you to like have I don't like to have like your parents come from that, like to have that lifetime of an experience totally And there's something

just so I mean like and that is like a true privilege I come from of like me being like, oh I'm going to do comedy. I want to make films like I never had to like convince my parents or anything, which I consider myself very lucky. Um. But again it's also just been a very helpful role model of just like oh, they are both artists, like no matter where like the tide is on, what isn't is unpopular or if their work is in Vogue or not, and like seeing like when I was growing up my dad.

My dad makes these very like conceptual like sculptures and artwork which is very neat and like he'd but I will say like as he's or as he's gotten older with me and my family, we've all gotten older. Um, he's become I feel like, more well known and his work as being recognized more. But it's so interesting because like he's been doing the same stuff as all my

whole life. Um, and he didn't like change from that, and like it's cool just being like, oh, like you'll get recognized eventually or if you don't, like you're still doing the thing you want to do. And also the kind of thing of recognition as the goal, Like I feel like the longer you do this, you realize like that actually can't be camp you. You're reminded of people like that really pop off, like when they're truly in

their fifties. Like I always think of like Anne Doubt and Melissa Leo as examples of like people that like popped off and ny like forty years old. Yeah, and it's like she's and she's, uh, you think she's been. He's the thing she had she had, she just wasn't on our TV screen, right, And I think that's part of it, is like you take yourself seriously as an artist and then when that like when you're not waiting for someone to like take your hand, and that's what

was for me with this film. So I just finished shooting this film, Ramsey, which was incredibly fun and also like we were saying, early the hardest thing I've ever done to life, and I threw such a terrible note it is okay. I mean you were very missed. But Bone was supposed to be in it, but um he had something else. Yeah, we have something and that's and

that happens, that's the biz. But we had an incredible gal, this girl Sophia Dobri Shin, who was actually a p A on the film, and she um ended up doing the part and knocked it out of the part. It was like I just finished a rough cut editing it like before I came here, and it was like, she's just like a little piece of candy. I love it, a piece of mean candy. So Oscar, I deserve the credit, and that's what I told her. What is the film? Okay? So it is a short, well really quickly before I

get into that. What I was saying was like I was really getting a point where I was like, I want to make this film. I want to make films, but like I'm waiting for someone to like tell me it's okay to do it. And I had this phone

call with Katie Skelltland, who is her. I just think she's one of the most talented people and she is a friend and maybe this would embarrass her, but like she I consider her like a mentor in some ways based on just like some phone calls we've had and like the opportunity she's given me, and like I've just had this phone call with her last like February, and I was like, I want to make a short, Like how where do I start? Like how do I do it? And She's like, you just start and it was like

the best like anti advice ever. And I was like, well, what if I don't know what I'm doing. She's like, you aren't going to know what you're doing. You just like say you're doing it, and then people come out of the woodwork, and like so I started this film and then I cold emailed a DP this incredible girl, Charlotte Hornsby, who, um, it's just incredibly talented and it's like, yeah, look her up. Charlotte Hornsby. Um, I called emailed her with the script. She loved it. She came on board,

and then I like started just assembling this team. And then people are like, oh, you keep talking about how you're doing it. And then this one guy who I was friends with was like, let me be your a D. So he comes on. Brian Flaherty comes on, is my a D? From an Instagram message? Wouldn't have happened without him, Like he brought it together. Elizabeth Scadden, this girl came

out and was my producer. And it's just like, oh, like you just move forward and say you're doing it and like, I know that sounds very like woah, like the secret, but it is um and so it was. It was an incredibly affirming process because it was just like, oh, this didn't come from someone being like that's a great idea, you should do it. It just came from being like,

you just decide you're doing it. Yeah. It's like I'm not to be like whatever this man even, but it is the secret, and it is, it works, it's it's it's an inertia thing. It's like you just you don't move until you start moving, and then when it's moving, you keep moving, yeah, exactly, and like yeah, and I

was just like, oh, I'm going to make this. And then I was like, I've never fundraised before, and I raised like fourteen dollars for it, and I had money, um that, which is another thing I try to be like really transparent about. It's like, I had a great out and pass away and who unexpectedly left me some money. And because filmmakings like fucking expensive, I think that's a thing that should be talked about more like yeah, it's insane.

And then so when she had passed away, I was like, wait, this is a good bump to like on top of this, I can raise money and get to where I need to get. So that I was gonna say, that's so lovely that you're that she left you some Yes, fran On fran if you're out there, you're up there. I love her on fran Um fran Liebman. She was born on in Columbus, France. So what part of the process

are you in right now? Editing? So we just literally assembled the rough cut right before this, but so anyway to answer the question, it is sort of this like whimsical, surreal short comedy. It's going to be about like eleven to twelve minutes long, um, the perfect length. Um. And it's about this young gal Ramsey who's played by Naughtia Pinder,

who's truly a fucking star. I looked her because when I thought and she's she's, Oh my god, she's the most delightful charismatic, Like you could just like watch her say the alphabet and you're like, I'm entertained. Um. And anyways, she's sort of at this point where she's hitting a bunch of like roadblocks, both of her own making and

of other people, um like enforcing that upon her. Um. And then she's with a friend, this girl Rachel, who's one of my favorite characters, and it played by Eadie Monica. I'm gonna show you some clips of her app like, oh, it's just like I'm obsessed with her. Um. She's so incredible. She's so incredible in this movie. And then um, basically, um, Ramsey is in an antique shop. She breaks all of these dolls by accident, has to buy them, and then

Eadie is like, what are these dolls? And then in a moment of like what are these dolls, Ramseys are like, they're my show. This is my show. And then it cuts to like her putting on a show with They're like she puts on a show with those broken dolls, and then eats manager comes to the show, is obsessed with the show, but then gives the dolls their own television show and not Ramsey, and then Ramsey has sort of like a um like we see the fault, the

mental fallout of like watching these dolls become famous. It's it's very funny, it's very silly, but it was also very Yes, I wrote it, and it was very cathartic to write, and like, um, it's sort of just like no one's understanding her and a lot of people are like telling her things about herself that aren't true, and so she's this really great moment like that's this like climatic scene where she's yelling at this guy who's just at a taco shop with her, played by um Bartia

Selini who's so great and um she's and he's like just yelling at her about stuff, and she's basically like like kind of mother, like fuck you, you can't actually I know exactly what's happened to me, and I know who I am, and it's a like really cathartic moment, and so it's fun. I can't wait to see. Yes, I'm so excited. So we're finishing up and then we're going to be submitting the festivals and hopefully it'll be on NBC this fall. Hopefully. That's that's amazing. Oh my god,

I can't wait. Congratulations guys, such a huge Yeah. I mean, but it was really the hardest thing ever, Like the days leading up to it. You can ask um, my good friends at least Morales and that's who I are, the incredible but I was like, I'm calling them like my emotional support producers, like I was losing and they were so helpful. But I think they were also like,

get this film out of her. That helps. That helps the process because everyone just wants you to be totally, totally and like the most like magnanimous way of just like just for everyone's well being, let's just make sure this goes to smoothing truly. Umm, but that sounds amazing. I cannot wait. When do we think? Do we don't know when is going to come out? Well, so I'm we're gonna you don't know, Well, let me let her

finish tomorrow, just kidding. No, um, well we we don't know in the sense of like I'm going to try and get it into a few big festivals and then that will be the premiere, because they want you to be the ones you like to premiere the film, so you hold it back and so it's a stay tuned. It's it's a stay tun and now it's taking Yes, you can tune in for I don't Think so, honey, which is going to happen right now. So this is our one. Did you not know? No, No, I knew,

but I but I'll be fine, very fine. But when I famously didn't I don't think so honey, tried to recite a poem and it, Oh my god, that was my favorite ever, just the second performance of the night. Yeah, but no, I loved that the poem eventually got out, got out boe and gave me the extra time, which was the most charitable thing anyone's ever done for me. There a charitable boy in the beginning of EPI, Um, I do okay, this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so.

These time starts now I don't think so honey, you're saying you're not gonna see Cats. You are gonna see Cats. We're all gonna see Cats together in one huge and it will play the biggest theater in the world. Here's the thing. Cats is going to be a cultural moment, and I know I'm one to top because I don't see any scary movies. Like I won't see it too.

I did not see us and like. But the thing is like when a cultural moment like Cats rolls around, like, I don't think, so honey, you're not gonna see it. I don't think, so honey, you're not watching the trailer and seeing Jennifer Hudson in any second drag, old cat drag in a world where we're supposed to accept that she's older than Judy dnn, she's the oldest cat. You're not gonna see that. I'm sorry, I don't think so honey, you're saying you're not gonna see Taylor Swift sprinkled cat

nip in a can and with those on. I don't think, so, honey, you're not gonna see cats. I was sing lion King. The women next to me go, I know we're not gonna see I turned to them and I said, I don't think so, honey. I was like, you'll be there, I'll be there, and we'll all be there and we all have together because we all know we're going to see cats. I don't think so. That's absolutely we're going to see cats. It's unmissable. Are great, are great? Thank you,

thank you, simple sneakers. But this is bowen yangs. I don't think so, honey. And as time starts now, I don't think so, honey. Fung schway bitch. It is the biggest Asian scam in the world and we're all falling for it. Lock stalk, barrel bitch. My mom comes and visits me in New York City and starts moving around

my apartment. Go, mom, what do you do When she goes, you can't have the mirror facing the bed because that you invite evil spirits or some My mom is a merry and fucking Williams and all of a sudden and she's talking about spirits and energies and love and battlefields and no, Mom, let me put my plant next to my couch. It's my mom goes, you can't have a plant with a pointy spiky leave because it promotes violence and invites violence and your life. You need a wide,

broad leave. And I go, mom, it's a leave and it will not do anything. And I'm doing okay for myself. For me putting my end table in that quarter of the room pointing west or where the sun sets is fine. It's not gonna kill me. I think, my mom five seconds better go to fucking school, to interior design school and not followed this ancient Chinese bullshit. That's one minute with that, with that request of your mother's, that's my best.

And that was a very good I love any I don't think the moneymore from someone said afterwards that was one of my best, but you said that was you said that was one of my best HP today but in the past, if it didn't happen today, it never happened, never happened. And that's a rule. Yeah, I don't think that Asians, thank you one of my best. Okay, So is it time for Katie dash Craft en queen? I don't think so. When your time starts now, Okay, this

is one that's been sort of brewing with me. I don't think so, honey, Angelina Jolie, Okay, I you little, skinny faced, big lipped, not a lot going on. And here's the thing. If you put up anyone next to my favorite woman in the world, Jennifer Anison, it's going to be Jennifer Andison eleven times out of ten. All right. She is funny, she is charismatic. You've never made me laugh.

Angelina Jolie, you're getting so serious and you're just collecting children from all over the world, which I think is weird. And also one time you were in a movie where you played a weather woman and it's the only movie I've ever rented. And then I turned it off and

I had nothing else to do. And this is also before the internet, So I just sat at home and I just think that you knew um are sulking throughout the world and I don't appreciate it, and move, get leave France, Angelina and Charlie, I don't think so, honey, come back five seconds to America and face your fears. That's one minute. Honestly, movie was called life or something like. It was the worst movie I've ever seen. She had a blond wig. Oh it was so bad. Sulking around

the world, that's what she does. She has dark energy for sure, and it's not and it's not fun energy. She was fun to me in one movie and that was Mr. And Mrs. Smith. She really was funny to me in that movie. She she has such dark energy and it's like not, it's not um like spooky fun.

It's literally just like, oh, this kid's dying all over there and you're just like, Okay, Angelina, She's it's it's very apparent that like, oh, you grew up in in show biz, You're you have daddy issues, but your family is rich and and you're you're finding I don't know, it's yeah, she I never really loved stand Angelina, know. I just I'm such a gen girl. I've always been team and because here's the thing I think we want

about her, But she's having fun. My thing with Jennifer Anderson is it always feel like she just had a glass and a half of wine. And I love that, Yes, exactly, And at any time she's had a glass and a half of Pinot Griggio and she is living in it. And she's also like always friends with people, like everyone's always like Jen's my good friend or like it's not founded on anything, but like I feel like she's just a friend, where I feel like Angelina is like not

a friend. See, I've heard things about both of them, about people who have dealt with them personally. And I've heard that Jennifer Aniston can drink like a fucking tank good and she'll be changed smoking cigarettes and like talking

to you about you. And I've heard that Angelia Jolie is legit like mom first, like it's not not seppic, and that she is a huge fan of Survivor and what you like and which I kind of love that she like stands this, But I feel like that's an alien coming down to Earth and being like what do humans and what is the reality shows here? Survivor? They must have lived on an island things and I can be a good mother. Yeah, she's iconic. I would say this.

They're both iconic, and we don't have to compare them, but we do. I will say Angelina is an icon, but not a fun icon. It depends on what you find fun. If you find like car chases and like guns fun, then Angelina Jolie is like the person for you if you think Pinot Grigio is fun and someone like literally like hiding under a bed to get away from, like someone who comes into a bedroom and she shouldn't

be there. That's Jennifer. Like, um, Angelina Jolie gives me like dark red fingernail energy girl who plays the violin, you know, and that the type of girl that people like. And I'm not that people. Honestly, it's kind of crazy because Jennifer Anison is the ted cheerleader and Angelina Jolie

is the goth girl. But I feel that like mainstream America as kind of like really split and been like we like the goth girl, like the head cheerleader, which actually is a progression because ordinarily you just go right with the head cheer but Angelina Julie has like the dark. They truly are two sides of the same coin, which is what made that whole Brad Pitt thinks so crazy. It's very Jackie Maryland, very Jackie Maryland. But yeah, okay, but also reversed and that Jackie was the dark one,

but the kind I think Marylyn is. I was going to say that Marylyn was the dark was the energy you tell me more. My Marilyn Monroe is av Levin and vice versa. The same, Yeah, the same thought here, the same thought. I think we should forget itis Asians out there. We got to forgive Avril for the hell of Kati video. No, we don't. It's time and it's

time for us. Oh my god, because av little mama. Yes, Mama, Mama to people who are extinct, well, mama does have been fun fun line and that and that and that girlfriend remakes where she goes something something something. I'm telling you, like Jennifer girls came out. I'm telling you, Jennifer, do you guys remember that Robin song? And she doesn't duet with um, you guys are just the Rabbit concert. She doesn't do it with um, Oh my gosh. Oh and it's like do do do? Do I actually the world's

worst voice? That's no. Yes, Well we're gonna put it to the text in just a second. No, I get I can't remember the song. Whatever, Well it's out there somewhere. Look up. Robin duets everyone. Um, this was truly such a fun. This was this is really wonderful. Um. I just adore both of you and love you, and I feel like I should we just known each other for a we always we've loved I've loved something like the film with Christmas Scott Thomas. Yes, I do remember that.

That was the French one. Yes, yes, And I saw that by myself in theaters back when I was seeing serious movies by myself and trying to be a serious little little boy. I was renting it from the library. I rent it from the way. Um it's Katie Ruth, thank you, thank you, and look out for Ramsey. Yes it's coming, and um we do end every episode with a song yeah, yeah, yeah, and now we can. This has been a Forever Dog production executive produced by Brett Boham,

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