"I Just Said Pu**y To A Princess" (w/ Marti Gould Cummings)

quarantining in my parents basement. What did I said? You see? What did you what did you see with your saw? A lot of well, first of all, let's let's set the baseline. A lot of masks. Everyone had to wear a mask, of course to get on the plane. But a lot of people on the plane taking the masks off,

and a lot of the flight attendants. And I don't there, no, no, no, I'm not going to drag because they're in a tough spot because a lot of the flight attendants not saying anything to the people who are taking their masks off, because well, first of all, I should say that the masks, the people were taking the masks off are exclusively like hetero white, middle aged boomer couples and mask performance in a different sense of course, hedgemonic performed performance. A lot

of the masks hanging off the chin. This is what we call not wearing a mask. This is called mask performance m SK performance. And that ain't a mask. That's a damn hammock, honey, And that's actually real culture number fours honey. If it's not on your mouth, it's not counting. It better covered the nostrils too. That I was gonna say thank you for for for covering the nostrils. So um, it was this. It was just a lot of Karen and chat energy coming from these people who didn't have

their masks on. And it's like, I don't want these flight attendants, these flight attendants who are working, we're putting themselves in you know, in danger by working. Um, I don't want them to I don't think the onus is on them to rate these people and then to risk like a big outburst. Well, the cases be rising and we should. We also need to say this is what I've I've meditated on this and this is what I've come to. The Only individual who should not be wearing

a mask is fam Milan. She is the only one who has proven with time that it is not good for her to wear our guests, because now she sees when she wears the mask, and these are Christina Aguilera's lyrics, not now she sees. If she wears a mask, she might foold the world, but she may not fool her heart. Mind you, Molin story takes place hundreds of years ago, and if she were to be walking around this culture, this particular, would not we have to wear the mask.

I would say, allow her to unmask. But the fact of the matter is when she's not around currently. In fact, she was famously post poem this year. Yes, she was, um, you know, we'll see, if we'll see, if we ever see it, I want. I was so excited to see in theaters. I thought that the trailer looked at peak, looked very good, looks very good. I loved watching my queen with a blowout in the middle of a battle. Your queen, she can be both of our queen's bowing.

But I've never seen you lay claim to Mulan. This is the first time I've ever seen you. I'm not laying claim to Mulan. Let's actually just get that straight. I'm just saying she this summer which she was supposed to be all of our queens. Yes, well, there's a lot of colonizing happening on the pod right now. Just fine, can I can? I? Can I redirect towards something that's more. I do want to speak on something. Yes, please, you might have noticed that I have this very tall glass

of red wine. You're topped up. This is a salute because someone else in this world enjoys a big glass of red wine. And that's someone is Kelly Clarkson. Yes, now, a lot of people reaching out to me to get my sort of um reaction to the news that Kelly is divorcing. And here's the thing, everyone, this is a real person to me, This is my real hero. And so all I have to say is I love Kelly.

I know this is probably not easy for her, and I hope everyone has compassion because honestly, that's something we have to unpack. Two is like the celebrity divorce of it all. It's taken me to this thirtieth year of my life when it's my queen that I stand and I say, everyone, stand down, stand down. This is not a time for your your presumptions. This is not a

time for anyone's commentary. Let the woman grieve. I would say that a lot of the conversation that I've sort of seen around Kelly UM is that it has been compassionate. Everyone's like just hoping for the best. She is the best. It must be hard, it must be hard on on the little blackstones, the little children. Yeah, black stones, black stock, black stocks. I'm so sorry. It's actual culture number number fifty black stock stock, not black stock black stone. She

will have her name legally restored to Kelly Clarkson. I feel very sad about this because famously she signed piece by piece and had a difficult childhood of divorce. And this is a tough one everyone, so please be compassionate towards Kelly. I'm drinking a big glass of red wine in her honor, and um, we love Kelly, and I just everyone was sort of tagging me, being like, how is Matt Rogers dealing? Not well? Didn't need this on top of everything else. Of course, we could call it,

we could call it a traumatizing several months. Absolutely, I want to quickly um point out before we move on um and introduce our guests were so excited that they're here. We're so here. It's an epic day for a lot of reasons. The first of all, we should say we're recording this June. This is the day that the Supreme Court ruled six to three that Title seven in the Civil Rights Act of nine protects l G B, t Q I E plus employees. Shocking to see good news, shocking.

My body almost didn't know how to internalize something good. I was like, what, this doesn't make sense totally. When was the last time you felt pure, like I would say, rain on me. Now it's been pretty recent. Rain on me was a moment of elation. And also I should say we also have not talked about CHROMATICA. We have not talked about chromatical on this podcast. And actually it's a great guest to have. It's a great guest to have. We have a truly holistic guest who is perfect for

um these times. I would say, I can't think of a better guest to have on in this moment. And I've been very inspired all my let's call it a young adult life by this guest. But in these moments, this is a true beacon of light in the dark that we have that we're lucky to have on the pod. And actually, well let's just say, let's go go through the credits. Okay, I'll go through the credits. Well, first

of all, yeah, we're gonna butter you up, guests. I think it's important this this this is a little tonal shift, but I think it's important that we UM just say their names twins Allow, Richard Brooks, Robert Fuller, Malcolm harsh Um. Not not at all comprehensive, UM within the last couple of weeks, these deaths, but UM, they continue, they continue, and UM there is justice to be sought in every corner of this country. And that's why we keep fighting

this UM. And we have a true, true, true fighter in this fight, I think um an ally in every since, someone who is putting themselves in the line of fire and in so many ways, and who has had some very, very very what I would say, our traumatic experiences with just the political infrastructure of New York City of this country. But thankfully they are running for office in New York City and we're so happy to support them in their campaign. Okay,

so the credits are. They are currently sitting on Community Board nine in New York City, in Manhattan. They were appointed by the Speaker of the City Council to um be an advisor on the New York City Nightlife Advisory Board and they are currently running for Council District seven in New York City serving Upper Manhattan. They are a drag artist and activist, a true a nightlife fixture. I would say in I would say one of the most

recognizable figures in nightlife. And this goes back to when I remember being I remember I saw this this queen. I saw dual performance of It's all coming back to me now. It started in the venue, it went out onto the street. It never stopped being a perfect lip sync. It was perfore a month. It was drag performance. This

is a explosive performer on top of everything else. And like you said, if we have anything to say about it, future City Council member, absolutely, And that election is coming up and I think we're going to hear a lot more about that one. It's gonna have to listen to that one. I'm gonna have to listen to and support that one absolutely. So everyone, please welcome to your ears.

Mark with the with the full beat face. You should say, no, well, I took my lashes off and my wig off because you said you weren't filming, so that first of all, I feel like I got to know you as a short haired queen. Yeah. My my husband likes to say that it's because of him that I wear wigs now, and I'm like, funk off, what does that mean? Yeah, he was like, I helped your dragon. He needs to absolutely step back, he needs to take several seats. Oh.

I was like, no, it's I'm an artist. I evolved up. Yeah, like you have to reinvent yourself. Um, I okay. Do you know how hard it was to not laugh with you talking about Mulan and Sweet Kelly Clarkson? Were you looking forward to Mulan? I don't know how old I was when the cartoon came up. With my aunt and her friend and the friend's son and I went to see Mulan in the theaters and I uh was captivated and mesmeer because you know the voice of LEAs A

Longa is the voice um. And I I threw a fit when my mom came to pick me up from my antiks because I was like, no, we need to go see Mulan again right now. And I was like no, we gotta go, and I was like, no, I know there's another showing. I saw it on the board when we leave it, we have to go. The same day I needed to see it again. I was so upset demands viewing. Yes, I was so obsessed. And when she was like, okay, also, what's his name? Who's Donnie Alsman play?

Which is yeah, first of all, that's bullshit that Donnie Alsmand played this character. But Donnie was okay, wait that was I didn't know that was Beaty. We love Beati Wong, we stand Wong, we love Beatti Wong. But also Beati Wong is a good singer, so why did he not sing? I was gonna say, yes, I was gonna bring that in. I have not asked beat himself. Actually, this would be

a great opportunity. I will should I call, Yes, we got to have him on soon, Like this is the was with the people who I have his number, but he's not somebody. I feel like if I called him and be like I can text him right now, be like if Marty Cool Cummings calls you, you pick up you pick up the damn phone. I have to hit A Beady is a national treasure. And also they have a little crush on so do I and and in in person it's actually a little overwhelming because he was

years ago and did it a YouTube interview. I had this like weird YouTube show and I was like twenty and I uh and he like was like, oh yeah, come to my house and I was like sure. But then I did one of those like oh, let me use your bathroom so I could like find the Tony didn't don't don't know where it is. I couldn't find it. Um, but he's so nice. He's so nice. He's a sweetheart. Yeah, and he uses this platform for such good He's always

getting back to the community. Love him. But the point of this was I had such a rush also on what was the character's name. Yes, Lee Shank could get it twice. You could see you couldn't see his nipples break my arm right off. I always I always want well the way I always like sort of say where I am on the scale of how attractive I am is how much I wanted to physically hurt me. And I feeled that Lee Shank could break my arm right if that's your apparently that's actually my scene and I

didn't know it but he was. When he said let's get down to business. I was, I mean, how I don't know how young I was, but I was hold up, hold up. Oh he was so hot and I like love. Lanche's beautiful, one of women in the world, one of them, and absolutely I mean, and a beautiful man. Talk about drag performance, honey, one of the very first boots. Yeah. Wait, Marty, you just came from Stonewall. So there was an event there. There's a rally there um to celebrate this ruling. How

was it? Yeah, well, my friend Sammy, I'll of arras who I love. Sammy's running for district leader in Brooklyn and stay committee. Uh, Sammy's one friend of mine and uh he texted me today and he goes, oh, we have to do something, Let's do it, And I said sure.

So we we we we We called UM Jason Rosenberg, who is part of an act up, and we called our friend Whitet Harms who worked at BuzzFeed, And then we called UM Peppermint and and UM Tanya Walker who was part of Equality New York and and we called uh ts Candy who who who is advocating for the criminalization of sex work, and and we had this beautiful showing of the community. Uh, we have people from games

against guns. It was amazing. It was amazing, and you know, we were celebrating this incredible historic moment, but also we were like, okay, so we did this, this is great, but there's so much happening in the country right now, you know, Like this, for those of you who don't know, the Supreme Court ruled six to three, which is first of all, big deal because a lot of times in these civil rights cases it will be a much closer vote.

So to have six to three is really fantastic. So if you're l G B t Q I A plus, you cannot be fired from your job anymore. That is

now federally illegal work bitch. I want to go up into the gig and be like, I'm a faggot and you can't have fired me a little bitch, ye, So you know, I wanted to say that on the microphone, and running for office, I was like, well, I don't think NBC will air that the news crew, but the the intention of my speech was I'm a faggot a little bit, and that was I'm sure that was felt by everyone that was there. Um, Okay, I was like,

can I say that. I don't care. I can say that. No, you can say that on you know, we get in trouble for saying faggot. And I'm like, then, don't listen, we're gonna say faggot. Actually, that's one of the things that's gonna be the cornerstone of this. My mom said, she goes, she says, don't say that word. And I said, oh, no, Maggie, I can say that. You can't say that. Uh not to bring it down. But there is a lot still happening in this country. We have a long way to go.

In New York, we still have to repeal the walking wall trans law, which impacts particularly black trans women, where the cops can literally just see somebody who they perceived to be trans and stopping first of them and arrest them for sex work even if they're not, even if they're not, and even if they're not sex workers. And that's how Lale and Polanko was picked up. She was held on five dollars bail. She died in Rikers. The video just came out the other day where they show

her asking for help. The corrections officers laughed at her, closed the door, opening her again laughed at her and she died. So so there's so much that needs to happen. We need bail reform. We need to the city council. Also, last year they're closing Rikers, and which is great, but then they put nine billion dollars into building four new jails.

That's wrong. When I'm in City Council, I'm gonna work to reverse that ruling because yes, we need to close Rikers, but why are we putting nine billion dollars into jails. There's so many people who are in jail who's shouldn't be there. We need to look at their cases. We need to decriminalized sex work, decriminalize marijuana, expunge the records of people who have that on their record. And we need to put that nine billion dollars. You can put

that money back into in communities that need it. We needed to defund the police. That New York City Police Department has a six billion dollar budget. We need to take their calling for one billion dollars for this current cycle. July one is the budget. Four billion dollars is plenty for a city of our size. Four billion dollars is plenty.

Thinking about that amount of money, it's so crazy. It's so crazy, especially when you have youth and senior services, education, health and hospitals, parks and Iraq housing, affordable housing, combine, combine. Their budget doesn't even equal the NYPD's budget. And then for police misconduct, they've spent almost three hundred million dollars in paying off lawsuits settlements. Do you know what you

could buy with three million dollars? You know how many doctors and nurses that have ppe, how many homeless people experiencing homelessness we could have house. How many students in schools we could get laptops and iPads four so they could use them to learn. There's so much we could be using this money for um and and so. So yes, the Supreme Court ruling today is great, but there's so much still happening, Rand Paul that one of the senators

from Kentucky is stopping the lynching law. Lynching is still not a federal hate crime in this country. And we have these three cases that have just been reported in the last week of people who they're calling them suicide. They're not suicides. These people were lynched hanging from trees. It's insane to me. Uh So, there's so yes, this is a great win. It's a joyful moment that we need from the Supreme Court. But there's so much the fight is nowhere near done, absolutely, and there's so many

things to sort of touch on with that. It's like, first of all, to say that, um, a black person hanging from a tree is to rule out as a as a suit with side is so intellectually and historically and racially insulting on so many levels. Um, it's bullshit

so every and it also talks down to everyone. You think that everyone can't can't see through that, Like it's just crazy that that they think the public is just gonna accept that as truth and move on now in this is it's ridiculous and it really just shows that, you know, people in power truly do think that the

public is dumb. But that's it's it's it's like the way that they talk down to us and the way they just kind of cut print and move on, and the fact that the media hasn't always been as sensitive to this, Like we know now we have everyone's number and it is not going to stop, and we're not going to stop when we just get one positive thing. I mean, I think those days are over. By thinking that one election going our way solves anything. That's when

the work starts. Well, look at what the media is doing. You know. I don't want to be one of those queens is like, well, the media, but when you have when you have this stuff happening in our country, people are protesting for the equality of black people who have been denied rights for five her years in this country. Um so before this country was a country, you know. Uh, and then you have when slavery is abolished, you then have the mass incarceration is put into play, making modern

day slavery. And we've only had the Civil Rights Act for since the nineteen sixties, so it's very new, you know. So so our leaders need to be leaders. We need to vote out the pieces of ship who are are oppressing people holding them down. It takes longer to get your barber's license than it does to become a police officer. That's fucked. Um uh. Not that I want my barber's to be trained too, because I want a nice haircut. But everyone can be trained, yes, but I want our

police to be vetted and even more training. In two thousand and four, the Bush administration's FBI came out with the study that said white supremacists are infiltrating our police forces in our law enforcement, and nothing has come of that study since. So that's sixteen years ago. Think about that amount of money everyone, I mean the amount now that we're really seeing and I think it's the first time that it's ever being really widely circulated. Just how

much money does go to policing in this country. And you're talking to three people who lived in New York for a long time, and Bowen and I we have been We worked in story parts where we went to schools, many low income schools, and you're if you're going to tell me that the an NYPD needs that amount of money, and I'm telling you it is squalor some of these elementary schools. It is crazy. They have no money. It

is a joke. We need to put more money in education. Absolutely, the New York school system and a lot of people don't realize us. The New York City school system is one of the most segregated school systems in the entire country. So that needs to be fixed immediately. And we also need to get cops out of school and social workers and nurses into schools. But you have more cops than than nurses or social workers or psychiatrists, psychologists and schools.

That's wrong. You need to help kids mental and spiritual health, uh, as well as getting a good education. And what I wanted to say about the media also is they're airing the protests that they're so for example in Georgia, they're saying, oh, the Wendy is called on fire, they're burning the weddis. Well, why are they burning the weddings because the police killed someone? That's why. You know, if you know people have been oppressed for five h years, light at the funk on fire.

I agree with you, you you know, like stop killing people, stop killing and it's in black people. I agree with you. The redirection that keeps happening is so it's it's really pathless, honest. It's yeah, it's intellectually dishonest. Um. I mean when people say defund the police, what they mean is the all police departments to um within a reasonable level. I mean

it's not even whatever. You dissolve police departments down to a certain levels that they become one part of a very large web of social services, so that so that you don't call the police to handle situations that they're ill equipped even solved in the first place. Even when we're not trained to solve many of the things they're called to deal with. The police doesn't it doesn't need to be every nine one one call, you know, find

out what's happening and send the proper resource. But look at what Camden, New Jersey did, and now what Minneapolis is now joined. Uh. They abolished their police department and now they're rebuilding it from the ground up. They did it in Camden. That's something they're working on in Minneapolis. I'm not sure how far along they are, you know,

which is where George Floyd died. Um and to friends of miner on the council out there, Andrew Jenkins, the first black Jenkins Yeah, uh, and Philip Cunningham, who is a trans black man. Um there incredible leaders. They're doing great work on the city council, the two of them. People say the system is not working. The system is doing exactly what it was designed to do in America, which is oppressed certain groups of people. So we need to dismantle the system and rebuild it so it's equal

and equitable for everyone. Yeah. That's actually I'm happy that you said that, because something that I wanted to say on the podcast is actually was a misuse of language on my part on the episode that we did a couple of weeks ago, because I totally agree with you. It's not that the system is broken. Is that the system is racist and the system is working to serve white people. And if you actually really trace it back, particularly white men, what rich white men who, that's really

what it is. It's in the beginning of our country, it was really all to protect rich white homeowners or landowners. So if you trace it all the way back to why we even have police, you'll find very dark reasons for why we even have police, because it wasn't a response to a freeing of the slaves and in a way to keep these people in check, and it was

it's it's really dark when you actually go back. And so that's something that um over the past couple of weeks, it's really started to become much more of a narrative, and I'm happy that it is, and I'm happy that we're really leaning on this. The words defund the police. Look at my video on Instagram listeners. I made a

whole video about defunding the police. Yes, it's about reallocating resources responsibly and correctly so that we are not putting all of this money to feed a system that is unfair and racist and is coming at the lives of black people. And that's just the fact. And the fact of the matter is you cannot police the anger that is happening in this country because this is where we are at now, because it is now unacceptable. It's been unacceptable.

But what I say unacceptable, it means it was it is no longer going to be accepted Marty when you say, um, once you're elected that you would reverse any funding towards building you prisons. On city council, can you talk to us about I mean, as two people as I'm speaking for Matten myself, it's two people who are sort of new to understanding political infrastructure when it comes to like

local government or municipal government. Um, what tell us about like what being on city council means and what what sort of abilities you have? I mean, I'd have to work out a whole plan around it, but I would I would love when I'm in city council to an act legistate. So what happened was they made a thing in city council this past year where they will be

closing Rikers Island by which is great. I support that, Yes, but then a vote it to in doing that, to then put nine billion dollars towards building for new jails and four of the boroughs of New York. I do not agree with that. Yes, I do think we that you know your murderer rape best, you know what there are crimes that there are people need to be in jail for. Yes, but why do we need four new jails? There are so many people in jail because people are

being injustly arrested for for stuff. So that's why we need to look at why are people being arrested. I'm recovering an alcoholic and drug addict, and I look at it as if somebody is caught, you know, with drugs on them. Look at what's what's happening. Are they an addict? Are they somebody who has an addiction? You don't jail somebody for having cancer or diabetes, So why are you

jailing somebody for having the disease of addiction? That money, instead of being put into a jail, should be put into getting people treatment, uh job placement, education resources, and making them a productive member of society who's clean and healthy and taking care of themselves, not in cars, reading them And oftentimes you put people in these situations and it makes it worse for them. When you put them

in in jail, it's unsafe. And then the whole other side of it is you have solitary confinement, which is inhumane and wrong. You know, there's so much wrong with the jail system. The prison industrial complex is modern day slavery and it's wrong. So why are we putting nine billion dollars into that? Wait, may maybe build one new jail,

not for that's crazy to me. So I wouldn't act legislation to reverse that legislation perfect because when people focus on or where people sort of fixate their arguments on them, well, what are we gonna do about the rapists and the

murders and the blah blah blah. It's like, well, if you're focusing on that thing as the as the main focus, like if you're ignoring every other part of the prison industrial complex, and like that is and that's crazy because because then you because then you're completely dismissing the fact that there are mandatory minimum sentences and um gosh, like yeah, and um the fact that we've criminalized drug use in this country to begin with as a way to feed

and the system you know, sex for and all this stuff. Look, there's those rumors of a little Lady g. You know, I'm sure Lad doesn't want sex workers going to jail now, does't she? Her? And a little Ladybugs a little bitch. We mean, we apparently had to dispel the ladybugs a

piece of ship. Fuck that bitch, I said. The only thing I feel bad about is that, like, if it's not true, it's just someone who wrote crazy fan fiction, and like that, it just gives people an excuse to be like, see they're lying, and like we don't need more of that. That being said, I would love to read Lady g the House down to the absolute ground, and I don't care at all, but I will not

care at all. And Mitch McConnell, look like when you know, when Ursula turns the Mermaids into those little creatures, Oh, yes, they look like it's Ursela turned into Miss Vanessa, yes, and got her wiles about her. Well, we know the we know the narrative. Martie's talking Lindsay Graham and Mitch McConnell being like, but I'm afraid yes, yes, yes, okay Flotsam and Jetsam. Okay, jets little thing, they look like

a little spur. Yes, yes, yes, yea your reference to the young girls that they get turned into the little sort of like? Okay? So yes, Flatsam and jetson. So we should also say no no to everyone out there who's waiting for me and Me and Bowen to be cast as Flotsam and Jetsam in the live action Little Mermaid film. They have not followed up on our offer to be to be cast in these roles. Do not want us. I think we'd be great in the parts, but apparently it's not happening. I support that. I support

that as well. I mean, I all I want to do is go under the sea. Also, this is so off topic, but I'm very sad about Kelly Clarkson too. I love Kelly Clarkson. And when she cried, when she cried singing about her dad piece by piece and saying how much her husband loves her, and then they and then the reason they're divorcing is because they went to my Tanna to get away during quarantine and they couldn't stand each other, so basically this is and I again, like,

I love this woman so much. She helped me so much when I when I was a little When when when when? When? When? When? When? American Idol says alms on, I still have the vh S tape in bedroom. I still have it, oh man, Like I mean, look, I used to watch her performances back back when the only way you could re watch things was to tape it.

I used to wear those VHS tapes out, specifically her performances of your Law Need Walk On by Underrated Kelly performs our American Idol of course natural Woman stuff like that. They're during the Big Band Week. I mean, we are fans. But the thing is, this is the quarantine. It will reveal all. And you know, I feel very bad for people that are in relationships right now during quarantine that

are not working out, because that I'll not know. I mean, like, look, if you're in a great relationship and you're during okay, are that I and I loved that for you, and I celebrate that. But what I'm saying is like I do feel really bad for people that were struggling in their relationships and then you get put into quarantine. It's tough.

I mean, I mean, I'm in a relationship in quarantine, and like, you know, we've been dating for about nine months and then we went put into quarantine, and I'll be honest, we had never spend that much time together. And so it's it's like it is like there's like a little moment here and there, like like where you're

you're tested in certain moments. We're doing great and we have a great relationship, but ultimately every relationship is not like that, and so I feel very sad for people who during this time maybe they weren't ready to let go of the relationship, but the quarantine reveals. Yeah, I think the quarantine helped my marriage. You think, so, yeah, Well, I you know, I don't want to talk about my but you know, no, we want to talk about your marriage.

There are we are Oprah and Winfrey. That's actually it's actually Culture seventy two. Bowen and Matt are bro and Winfree. Oh my god, Oh wait, okay, so hold on before we get in my marriage. The only VHS tapes that I still own, uh, and they're all in my childhood bedroom are uh Kelly Clarkson American, I don't win Princess Diana's Funeral and the Oprah twentieth Anniversary UM collection. I have them as vhs as not dv were you were you like a young queen for Oprah? Yes, I would

watch UM Ellen Can Choke. I love Love and Ellen fan. Since episode three of this podcast, we've been on record about I love Oprah and I would so I would watch every day as a kid, the Oprah Show, the Oprah win Free Show, and the Rosie O'Donnell Show. Everything. Yeah, I feel that energy from you. You loved Rosie. I love Rosie. And you know, Alice replays a friend of mine now and I name dropped out. Yeah, sorry, Mcca. Just I remember I distinctly remember see let Let's finish.

No No, I love Alice. I uh so, I I just think I remember the first time I ever saw Alice Ripley was on the Rosa Dodd Show, and I was like, oh my god, I love this this woman so much. It was her and Emily Skinner and and and now she's like my my girlfriend. But but as like a child, I was like, oh my god, I want to be Daisy. I want to be Violet. I want to be a twin attached. He was talking about

art acceptance speech. He was talking about art. I will say one of the most transformative experiences I have had seeing uh seeing theater was Alice Ripley in Next to Normal? It was did you see miss Alice in Next to Normal? Twice? I'm telling you, Bowen, did you? I never saw, but I'm familiar with the music. It's it's incredible, I'm telling you. Weeping, weeping, weeping, uncontrollably.

I won the lottery to see it, actually, like I could not believe, the first time I ever tried to do the lottery I want and we got to go. Me and my friend Mackenzie Derris. We when we sat in what I call the Lincoln seats and because you know that's where she got her head absolutely blown the f off? What is it too soon? Sorry? Everyone? But I sat in those seats and we were looking down onto the stage. And this is after Ms Aaron Tabate had left the show. But it was Alice Ripley and

she was ter Massey, who I love Kyle d Massy Punk. Yeah, him and his husband Taylor are the best. I love them. I didn't even know Kyle Dean was gay. Love that I should know. I didn't know. I don't know keld Messy personally. Marty, you're you're you're among the more connected people in the city. That you are one of the most connected people in the New York City. No, no, what, okay? Sidebar, you also need to YouTube the late great Marin Mazie, Diana and um Or Diane in Next to Normal. It

is one of the most epic performances as well. I am so happy that you said Mary listeners love Broadway. I'm like going on a Broadway. Oh, we love, we love the readers love from it. And actually, I will say this, I recently shout out to shout out to Helena York because I love Helen. She just donated to my campaign like a week ago. Helenna is a queen and she's been on the show and we love her

and shout out. But I recently was watching Helena York gave I don't know why I fell down this wormhole, but it was Helena giving a like Broadway dot Com or whatever backstage tour of Bullets over Broadway the musical, which I didn't. I love all theater. Marty loves all what doy Allen movies. No, what do you Allen can choke too, well, what do you Allen can absolutely choke? Actually do not? Supported? That is very true. Also some t I found out Woody Allen speaks fluent Korean. That's terrifying.

I hate that. I hate that. I hate that. You know why? You know why he speaks fluent Yes, So a friend of mine recently saw him arguing with Ye and they were arguing influent Korean. And that's all I'll say about. What was she arguing about? How he stole her childhood? And I mean potentially so basically, um, so Helena was giving like this back backstage tour. And so Helena played the Jennifer Tilly part olive um the like

bad actress, and she was probably fucking phenomenal. But do you know who played the Diane West part was Marin Mazie. And she's a part where she goes and knocks on Marin's door and she comes out and they have this gorgeous exchange and Maren Mazie like, if you are if you love musical theater, check out Marin Mazie. She was also incredible in Ragtime. We can never go back to It's so good. She is epic. We are going to take a short break and then when we come back,

we're gonna ask Marty gold Cummings the question. We actually are back with Marty gold Cummings Bowen, what do we do now? Okay, Marty, we ask all our guests this question. And you kind of gave us a little bit of a taste for um. Taste of it with the three vhs is that you still have. But what is the culture that made you say culture is for me? What are the cultural sort of things that imprinted on you and for in a very at a very early age, that made you move in a cultural direction. Okay, I

am obsessed with Princess Sana. I wish I could set this entire bookshelf over here is all Princess Diana books. Wow. Really, So when I how much time do we have? We have a lot of time. So when I was a little kid, I was at the eye doctor with my grandmother in the waiting room, and you know they have the magazines and my grandmother the magazine. You know they have magazines at the eye doctor and my grandmother that's number thirty. You know, they have magazines that doctor to

really weed out the sears from the Naziers. Yeah, so you know, do they still have magazines? And I don't have health insurance, but I've been in a while, but you and Bowen need to get fucking health insurance. Okay, So this is a whole another tangent. But I got beat up by the police, uh, and we want to

talk about it. So I have a I'm still I'm still a concussed a little bit, and I just got my first medical bill from it, and I'm like a thousand dollars, wait dollars and thirteen cents, and that's for one of the four visits I've had. Uh, We're going to revisit this because I want, I want everyone to hear this and I want to know how you're doing. But I'm pitting that. But Diana, first, let's talk about Lady Diana Spencer, the People's princess, and then we'll get

into the police. And then we're talking about the police. To fund the police. Um so hashtag. I was at the eye doctor, uh when I was a very small child and my grandmother took me Peggy, who my psychic later told me as my guardian angel. That's who another do we stand? Peggy? Peggy's my girl. I mean, she's has been dead for a long time, but I love her. Uh Peggy, my dad's she was born in nineteen fifteen. She's amazing. The day I moved to New York City

was the last time I ever saw her. She died two months later, but I sat in her bed she lived next to her, and I said, I said, Grandma, I'm going to New York. I'd love you. I'll see you in a couple of months when i'm home. And she said I was out to a lot of people. I wasn't out to her because she was born in nineteen fifteen, a very different three years after Titanic, saying

she was so So. I was sitting on her bed about to leave New York and she said, you know, I think God just makes gay people the way they are, and they're born that way and it's wonderful. And I love you. And that was the last thing my grandmother ever said to me. So I love Grandma. Peg My psychic says she's my guardian angel. But when she took her to the I as a child, she was flipping to the magazine and I saw a picture of Princess Diana and I said, oh, my God, that is the

most beautiful woman I've ever seen. I love who is this? I love this woman? Who was this woman? And my grandmother said, oh, she's this wonderful lady. She's a princess in England and she does a lot of good to help people. She really loves helping people. And she said she has a good heart. And I know you have a good heart. And I remember that as a kid, and so I became fascinated with this princess with a good heart that my grandmother loved. And uh so I

was a faggy child because I love Princess Diana. All the other kids are like, I'm playing the sports ball stuff and I'm like, like, I like Tara Read, and you were like, I like Princess Diana. Diana Spencer of al for that's where she was born anyway, so that's hers, that's wrong. So when she died, we were camping in New Jersey. Uh My parents had an RV that they would take the beach and we were out rosie marshmallows and I said, I'm gonna I'm gonna go watch TV.

And I turned on the news and it said Diana died, and I was crushed. So I made my parents the next day by every newspaper that they could find about this. And I still have all those newspapers in a safe in my childhood hall, next to my Franklin mint doll of Princess Diana had never taken out of the box. And uh so anyway, So also my my wall over here is the original Time magazine special report of her dying. It's hanging next to my bed. I told my husband

that we have to have that. So that's hanging on my wall here, the original the original magazine from anyway, So when she died, I wrote about I tell the story a lot, but I wrote, so this is the cultural moment. I guess that, yes, this is a long answer to your question. So we went back to we went to school. She died August. Start first. So I go to fifth grade and Robin trimbled my teacher, who I later found out was a raging homophobe. Fuck her.

Uh she um. She said, I want you to write five page paper, everybody and tell me what about your summer so I get a sense of your writing skills. So I wrote my paper and it was called Death of an Icon. The Life and Legacy of Lady Diana Spencer, Princess of Wales. I gotta see, and I cried that title alone, you should have gotten. My mom said, why do you why do you think you gotta see? Why did you get to see? And I said, well, Mrs Trimble said that I didn't do the assignment, that I

didn't talk about what I did this summer. And my mom said, oh, no, no, no no, my mom was a teacher of the school. She marched right, and then she goes, she goes. Marty's entire summer was affected by the death of this woman who he idolizes. He I went by here at the time. Now day, then you know, I've, as an adult, learned who I am, but become Yeah, I become me who was born to who My grandmother said, I was born to be by God. So so my

my mother demanded that she changed the grade. And because my whole summer didn't matter, because my idol died, So I got an a uh. And then on my honeymoon, we were in Paris, and we we stumbled upon the tunnel where she died, and I made my husband, in degree heat in Paris, sit for like two hours at the entrance to this tunnel as I cried because I knew I said, this is the last thing. She said, this is the last thing she saw. I love so much, it's like a sick of session. Oh my god, I

have all these books, Oh my god, the whole shelf. Now, because you love Diana so much, do you sort of keep up to date with the goings on of the royal family? Like? Oh? Yes, Prince was my very first crush. Uh. And I love I love Sophie, Countess of Wessex, who's Edward's wife. That I met Princess Beatrice once. My two dreams growing up. I wanted to be on Broadway and to meet a member of the royal family. I've gotten fucked by a lot of people who have been on Broadway.

Never been on it myself, but Badway. But my, my, my, my, my, My ex was on Broadway. My husband's played in the pit on Broadway a lot. Uh, he's a viola player. And I met Princess Beatrice when I was a teenager. I was working at Isabella's, which was a restaurant on seventy seven, uh, Columbus, and we were well known for brunch. One time Jenna Bush came in, I said, I won't serve her, but I hear she's cool. Now's I think she's she's permissible now yeah, so so so this is

a true story. This is an honest to go to. And you can call Thomas Mitchum and ask him. My friend Thomas that you can call Thomas Mitcham and asked him if anybody quit, she's a story. So Princess Beatrice, who at the time was fit the line to the throne, she's now like ten third level. She's way far down. We got a little Archie now and everything. So uh a little Charlotte George, who I think is yeah, George is George. George is gonna be hosting dry Race UK

before we know it. So because he's not fracking now, I mean, it's the truth. So no, no, not that I have questioned. I have not that I have questions about. I have questions about that for you later too, we'll talk, okay. So, so so, Princess beat just came you guys said, oh my god, why why am I Okay? Anyway, this is far off of the political agenda I came here to talk about. But uh so, Princess Beatrice came into Isabella's

and you can. You can fact check with Thomas Mitchell. Um. So, anyway, so she comes in and I said, oh my god, it's heat. So we get a table cleared, and I'm shaking and crying at the host, and I was the host. I'm crying, full on sabbing. But she was very nice. She sat in the curb of this of se street waiting for her table to be sat and I was like, the fifth in line to the throne of England is sitting on her fucking table set now sobbing. So, Susie,

I'm a crier. Okay, I'm about to try telling this story. I was so Susie. The waitress goes, she's already iconic. Table nineteen. Would like to see you table nineteen, Princess Beatrice. Okay. So I go to the table and I'm shaking and I'm sobbing, and I have to compose myself because this is Queen her majesty, the Queen's granddaughter. And you were at work and I was I got fired from that job. I don't care. Um, so there's many years. I was

like nineteen years old. So my new Princess Beatrice and I are I think we're the same age, and so I'm like convulsing over this teenage to girl and and she goes, um, she doesn't top like that. Hoday hello. So at the time she still had protection officers from the government, but the queen later got rid of that. Uh and now her dirty dad, who should be in jail, pays for her protection. But I just watched the documentary.

I I'm shocked. That's a whole another conversation. But so she goes, could you her protection officers were eating outside, and she goes, could you make a very um fruity gay drink and take it to my protection officers and sing Happy birthday? She asked me to this. So I go up to Thomas Mitchell, my friend who is the bartender you can fact check, and I said, I need the prettiest drinks you can make, and I take them to the protections and I'm shaking, but I couldn't say

Happy Birthday. Was so nervous. I just dropped the drink. She called me back over to the table. She goes, Oh, how did it go? And this is honest to God's truth. You can fact check it with Susie the waitress or Thomas Mitchell. I do not lie, I'm not a liar. This is the true story. And I'm so embarrassed that I'm telling this. So I say, oh, your your highness, and her friends are like laughing, and I'm calling her your highness, and I'm like, your highness, I'm so I'm

so sorry, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry. I'm so nervous, I'm so nervous. I'm such a I'm such a pussy. I couldn't do it. And then I go, oh my god, I just said pussy to a princess. And I started crying the most guttural I princess title that I and I started and she and she hugged me and she said, you're very charming. It's very nice to meet you. Uh. And then she asked me where Urban Outfitters was, and I had to do everything in my power not to be like, oh, of course, you

your Fergies daughter, of course. So I got very upset that she wanted to go to Urban out But she was very lovely, and she was very kind, and she was very very she was she was she was very

funny and very nice. And I have to say that having a role encounter, it was now, like many years later, I'm like, that is the best way to have had a role encounter because she to hearth and she was with her like boyfriend who she lived in New York at the time, and she's like with her boyfriend and her friends, and she was just grateful that somebody like, did you hear that? What was that? Marty? Are you what was that? No? It was what's going on out there?

Oh my god, it was. I think it's a firework. The neighbors are shooting off fireworks, um for the queers and uh So, anyway, it was the best experience. And I feel like I feel like I kind of met Diane because Diana was I met Diana. Well, that was obviously meant a lot to you so much to me. I want to know to like, what's your take on the Harry and Megan of it all. I love Prince Harry. He was my first crush because he looked like Greg who was in my third grade class who I had

a crush on. Who. I mean, he's he's hot, He's so hot, and I bet he's saying saying no, no, he's so hot. Um. And I love Megan. I think she is incredible and I think that I think, um, you know, I think that they're going to do such incredible things with their new platform, and I think that he's following in the footsteps of his mom. And I think Megan is so beautiful and I love her mom. I loved her mom at the wedding, was so beautiful watching her and I think, Um, I just think she's

so beautiful and so incredible. And I hope that that the Royal Family someday welcomes them back in because I think that they the Royal Family needs is shaking up in a modernization, and I think Megan and Harry are like the ticket and I love them. I was thinking that too, that Harry has some of Diana's spirit in terms of like wanting to disengage for the right reasons, like not wanting to play the game of being in that family too much. He wants to be of service

to other people. And I think that if you're in the public eye in any form, even if you're not in the public just been a human being, you should be of service to other people. Right Like, where our world is a scary place, as we talked about earlier, we have to be of service. User voices so many people are are experiencing homelessness, so many people are experiencing um uh, income insecurity and food insecurity and aren't knowing

how they're going to pay their their bills. We have people who have been out of work for three months. We have undocumented people who don't have access to unemployment, who are scared of what's going to happen. We have we have people who need help. So it's it's incumbent on all of us to come together and be of service to other people. And and uh, I also think that, I mean, flat out, the way that she was being treated was abusive. The way that she was being spoken about, um,

she was being attacked. She has been every day by the media. She was killed by the paparazzi. She was murdered by the paparazzi. Yes, she she she was and she was certainly en route to being treated similarly too. And she was being treated treated similarly to Princess Diana. And honestly, I think Harry must have trauma his life. Well, he said that, he said he has PTSD. Whenever he hears the cameras clicking, he thinks of his mom. It's traumatic. He was a child he was a young child, he

was like thirteen years old. I think that he did the right thing on every level, and I think that it's really gross, Like like, you know who's the most one of the most disgusting people in the world is Piers Morgan. Oh gardens trash, don't even we don't need to talk about no, no, what a piece of cow dung? Yeah, he is dung. He's absolute dung, absolute dung. And I just want to point out that Marty Gold Cummings tied uh their remations on Trince Harry back to their campaign

and that is beautifully beautiful campaign work happening right there. Wait, can we talk about Okay, can we shift gears? And this is a little bit of a tonship to let's talk about Well, first of all, I want to lead with your testimony at the City Council Public Um Committee for Public Safety. That was iconic. You were unbelievable, unbelievable. You were not Marty, You and I were d m

ng throughout the whole. Yeah, thanks for sharing that. You like it started at what ten am, and then it lasted into and then you you didn't testify until what four pm? Until about three or four o'clock in the afternoon, I think probably around three, probably around three o'clock, like two o'clock. I was dming you was like, are you gonna go uposite? Like I was like, what this is going on for so long? What was so infuriating about that? Is? Um oh, it's eleven eleven maga wish wish I wish uh.

So the hearing the Public Safety was for to get testimony from the NYPD about their actions during this Black Lives Matter movement, how they treated protesters, particularly during the curfew that the mayor put in place. So a lot of citycounts members were there. They all asked questions, a lot of questions. It took a long time, but what was I don't mind the city count members asking questions because they want to hear what they have to say, and we need the council members to do their job,

which they did in question in the NYPD. So so we just we should say that there was the commissioner was not present, but the commissioners Shay was not there, but he sent the deputy what a bitch move? Who was should? I think it's important to say Deputy Commissioner of Police is a black man and to me, it felt like strategic in a way for them to put him out there is the face absolutely absolutely and be like, hey, well we're we're you know, don't don't like grill him

too hard. He is. He also has his own like intersectional experience with this whole whole thing. I've met Commissioner shay Uh a while ago at something, and he probably doesn't remember me, but he wasn't very nice. Umst Michelle of Cops. He's Michelle of Cops. It's a it's weird, it's a rule of culture number Commissioner, he's resign and the mayor should resign. And I am a pole force in saying that, and I don't know a lot of

other candidates to have said that. But what the mayor did with that curfew in itself, to me was um racist and wrong because a lot of people who are essential workers who work at night, are members of our black and brown community, are are are members of our immigrant community, and a lot of people who uh they sent the alert out on smartphones pretty soon to when the curfew was taking place. A lot of people might

not have access to a smartphone. Not everybody has access to a smartphone, and they only put it out in English, which is wrong. So people were being arrested and and and and put in these these situations with the police where they shouldn't have been to begin with. We should said during a pandemic, and also illegally because you're it's illegal to arrest essential workers. Yes, and they were still

doing it, and it's it's so insane. So during the testimony, the police were giving lie after lie after lie after lie after lie, and so by the time it got to the test my testimony, I'm so proud of everybody who testified. It is incredibly hearing some of their stories. Uh, you know, it was incredibly courageous to hear from people shout out, yeah, we have a friend testified was arrested on his own porch, on his front step. Yeah, along

with the delivery worker, central worker. And then there was there was somebody who I can't remember their name, but this uh trans person who was beaten so badly they urinated on themselves they you know, and then they were miss gendered. They they were made fun of and mocked by the police the whole night, and their testimony was on there, so it's public record, you can see it. I can't remember their name, but they were so brave

telling their their story. I was so pissed because during my testimony was on a zoom so you could see the people, and I saw that the three cops who were testifying were no longer in the room. And I got pissed because how dare you subject us to your lie saying that you provided masks for people? Know you didn't, saying that you didn't beat people, Yes you did. I have a concussion and I have the n three dollar

fucking medical bill to prove it. You you have. You have them saying, oh, we were only arresting agitators and looters. That is not true. When I was arrested on the West Side Highway, I was marching with my hands in the air, peacefully with a group of people, and they started coming towards these girls who were like a hundred and fifteen pounds with their baton swinging. So my group of friends and I circled them and they just came for us. It's wrong, and they lied continuously. The treatment

in jail was horrible. The treatment was horrible for me. It was even worse for people of color. The way they treated uh black people. They arrested, it's wrong. And so to hear them lying under oath was so annoying and so aggravating. So when they said, oh, your time is up, I said, not today. I want to keep going because people need to hear it, and every single person who was arrested should tell their story and the interests of really understanding what happened, could you just walk

us through what happened? So you were protesting and what happened. Well, I started out at a regular march, and then I went to Stonewall for the vigil for our black trans community, you know Tony mcdad, Nina pop Leili and Polenko uh, people who have been been killed by either violence or

or police violence. Uh. And so it was a huge gathering of people and we marched to the West Village and through the city and ended up on the West Side Highway, and right after eight o'clock the police came down the highway with their Briton's literally, so there's a video of it. You can see the video on Instagram, swingeing and they go in and I didn't realized this.

My husband. I remember remember seeing my friend Nathan go down and seeing the look in his face, and I remember pushing my husband out of the way and the baton. I don't remember this, but he saw this, but I pushed him out of the way. The baton that was going to hit him is what hit me in the head. And then they The next thing I remember, I was having a cup, you know, like or you're under arrest and standing me up. In the video there's four cops on me. I so the doctors think I blacked out

for a minute, uh, because I don't have that. I have no recollection of four cops on top of you. But I remember when I realized what was happening. I said to myself, I'm so grateful. I'm sober because I have a program of recovery that's taught me um prayer and meditation and taught me how to just tap in conscious contact is what we call it, conscious contact with higher power, to just tap in. And I knew in that moment. I said, if you if you freak out,

you're going to get really hurt. And if you you're gonna have a panic, you're gonna you're gonna lose your mind. So I I the entire time was just Okay, you need to focus. I think it's like like that fight or flight mode. I was like, I need to focus and pay attention to every single thing that's around me. What do they look what do their faces look like? Do I see badge numbers? What are those numbers? What

are their names? What are they telling me? You know, and and really focusing and listening to every single thing that happened, because I was like, you know, you're gonna have to tell this story and you need to have it factual as best as you can. And I didn't even know I had a concussion until I got home from jail. I was arrested at eight fift PM and I and I walked out of the jail at seven a m. And I didn't know I had a concussion

until later that day. My husband and my roommate were like, you look in saying like my eyes were going all over the place. I was slurring my words. So that's when I went to the hospital. So sorry. And then the next day my arm was but you know, I

had this really bad. You know, so there's like nerves stuff from being in cuffs for so long and uh, but you know, but I look at it as you know, my experience with the police was traumatic and terrible and scary, But because I was born a white person in America, I got to go home and live. We're protesting because so many people, even during these protests, like we talked about with Atlanta, people are being murdered by the police. Brianna Taylor's murderers are still on the police force, getting

taxpayer dollars. They have not been arrested or charged. We have um uh police officers. I went to a rally at City Hall where over ten families spoke about their loved ones in New York City being killed by the police. Innocent people, unarmed people, some people who had mental health issues, and the police didn't know how to handle it, so the reaction is to kill them. And all of the officers are on the police force still. So I got to walk away with my life because I was born white.

But we're marching because how many people have died, have continued to die, and how many people do we not know about because we just now have cameras to be able to show what's happening. You know, how many people has this happened to before? So so yeah, my interaction with the police was shitty, but we're marching because people are dying because of the systemic racism that this country has put in place that has allowed cops to get

away with murder. I mean, just hearing you talk about this, and just seeing things happen on the ground, um, from from all the protesters, um, especially especially black protesters. UM. It just as a New Yorker and I'm sure Man agrees with this, and I hope and I'm sure you agree with this. It just feels like the curfew itself bore out so much trauma for our city that I don't think. I don't I don't see us recovering from this trauma in a way that makes us trust institutions again,

especially the police. Um, but that makes us trust at least build a Blasio or just like people we elect. I mean, like it's it's just so hard. I mean, the only salve for this is through our elections, through voting, and and through voting for for people like you. Yeah, and look at who people are getting donations from. Look at who who Who who's funding people's campaigns? Who who? Who is in bed with the police unions? Who is in bed with the real estate corporation corporations? Uh, you know,

Andrew Cuomo the governor. The other day, people are like, oh, I'm a homosexual, don't be because the other day he said, oh, we repealed fifty A. You guys want to stop protesting. No, we're not going to stop protesting. Fifty eight is one law out of a lot of injustices that are happening. Like I said, Brianna Taylor's murderers are still on payroll where She's from. You know, there are still NYPD cops

who are on payroll. Eric Gardner's killer is not in jail, and Bill de Blasio is the mayor that kept him on the force for five years, making six figures after we all saw Eric Gardner murder for what? For selling a Lucy's cigarette? Do you know how many Lucy's cigarettes I bought up the bodego over there. I don't smoke anymore, Okay, kids, don't we don't smoke. I don't smoke anymore. But you know I used to love a camel crush, goddamnit, and back in the day. No more healthy and very holly.

Don't eat me either, very healthy. But but that's insane that somebody would be murdered for that. So uh, Bill de Blasio is a piece of ship. And look at who who's running for office, what they stand for. Who's saying to defund the police, who's putting policy together to make that happen, and who's working to make sure that the communities that have been impacted the most are going to get those funds. Who are the people who are working to get things right in this this city and

this country. And who were the ones who were going to just keep the status quo billed a Blasio is complicit, Andrew Cuomo saying, even him saying, you know, stop protesting you want, No, we haven't, him saying, oh no, We're not going to take down the Columbus statue because of Italian heritage. Columbus was a rapist and a murderer. Put a statue of the Lenape people, who who who the Manhattan belonged to? Put puts a statue honoring them. Put a put a statue honoring you know, leaders who have

done things, not fucking rapist and murderers. It's it's really it's really crazy that the Columbus of it all is like a national scar It's really crazy. And the fact that he celebrated every year, I mean and it's it's ridiculous. And then people are talking about, you know, there's a whole argument over Confederate statues. There's a statue in New York that's I don't know the guy's name. I can't remember his name, but he was a doctor. There's a statue of him in New York. He was a doctor

who who who? Who? Who performed surgeries on black women and black children. And people say, oh, he did all these great things for medicine. He mutilated black women and children's bodies against their against their will. He stole that these people and mutilated their bodies. I don't give a funk what scientific stuff he came up with. He did it at the cost of human life. And there's a statute to him in New York and that statute needs to be torn down and thrown in the fucking river too. Yeah.

This idea that because things are quote unquote history, it's like, that's a history that you want to acknowledge, and you, because your in power, got to decide that still stands. That is not It's it's like this weird thing that history is cannon for everyone. It's like, let's really get real about you can teach history without idolizing. It's illegal to have statues of of Hitler in Germany. They still learn what happened because because it's a historical thing, we

can learn about these things. But idolizing people with the statue is fucking wrong and disgusting. I would love for you if you're able to spotlights on people that you were excited about that are going to be running outside of yourself, Like who who should we be looking at in New York or around the country? In New York, around the country. I want to know who are you excited about New York. I'm excited for Uh my friend Alisa Crespo, who is running for City Council the Bronx.

When she wins her seat, she'll be the first trans woman UM to hold office in New York City Council. Transported to color. My friend UM Kristen Richardson UH Jordan, who's running in the council district next to mine, would be the first UM, black queer woman to hold office in the New York City Council. My friend Sammy oliveris who is running for district leader in New York right now? UM, who else is running that? I just love UM? I saw.

She tweeted him you met Eliza Orleans tonight. She's running, Yeah, she's running. She's running for d. A. Uh my my friend Yanos is also running for d I like them both very much and and and I think I think they're both really great. Uh. Megan McCain blocked me. She did that is a badge. That's a liah Michelle like being the dragon at Lia Michelley. Did you tweet it? Did you tweeted her? Well? She said something about how she loves, you know, LGBTQ people, and I was like,

your husband runs the Federal List. Um, yeah, I mean it's the t And also I got I have bad news for everyone who loves Leah on Real Houses in New York contributed to The Federalist. Look at not Great. Oh Ramona Ramona called me a he she wants shut up. Fuck Ramona. I've said this before and I'll say it again. I hope Ramona dies alone. I really. She called me here doing a radio interview together years ago, and she brought hair and makeup and I was like, we're on

the radio. I didn't say that true, but I just thought I was like, who is I was like, we're on the fucking radio and you're getting your hair and makeup, don out of here, and she brought like her she brought her jewelry line to show and I was like, and then she she said something. She goes, I don't remember the context of it, and she goes, oh, you know you're like he she or whatever, and I was like, Nope, actually a person. This is before I came out as

a non binary. I was like twenty years old when this happened, and and that made me like feel I knew I was like different, you know, I didn't have the language for it at the time, identified as you know, like a gay man. But I knew that there was something that I wasn't connecting with, you know, flat out. I mean, that's it right there. I mean, if you need a definition of privilege, it's Ramona fucking Singer thinking she can say whatever she wants because she's on Real

Houseives of New York. It really impacted me in such a negative way for like a lot time. And I and and now when I watch her on TV. I mean I love the Housewives. I mean, but when I watched it, my husband gets so so mad because we'll be watching every single time Ramona comes on the screen, I go, I hate Ramona. I fucking hate her on the record, I hate her. What's good about her? What? What is good about he gets he's he's like, I know, Marty, I know, I know, I know, I know, but it

needs to be said again. And who do you like? What's your what's your Housewivee's moment like what? Well? I mean, Dorenda has always been so lovely every time, you know, I have turned this number to call her. Um during Durrend has always been lovely to me. I I like Dorenda. Um it's a little it's a little dark for me this season. Well, you know, Dorenda, you know, I think it's like she said, she never got to more and Richard, she was with John for a long time. She's now

Hannah's out of the house. She's not with John. She hurt her home that she loves was like, you know, she had to redo it because it was like flood or whatever that happened in And I think she's she's coming into she's you know, I think compassionate, Queen you are. I don't want to speak for Dreda, but I feel like, you know, for so many people you. You, when you're raising a family, or you're married or all this stuff.

You you're so invested in making sure that everybody else is okay that you forget to take care of yourself. And I think Durnda's having this dark moment because she she's like, who am I what? Just what? You know? She's like, what does Dorinda? Like? What makes Dorinda? And she's figuring that out. And I think that now that Tinsley is gone, she doesn't have anyone easy to pick on. So it's gonna we're gonna see it turn in word very quickly. I miss Carol. I love Carol. Bowen identifies

as a Carol. She's a princess. You know that she's a Kennedy You know she is a Kennedy princess. She she's a princess. She married a prince or something, and it's really, it's really cult number three, Carol is a Kennedy princess. I also believe I'm still sitting in my hip pads right now. Oh my god, do you watch Beverly Hills? Girl, Girl is the Grass Green? Uh? Yes, I watched Beverly Hills. I love Beverly Hills. Beverly Hills

is words, but they're on a hiatus right now. And why all the previews said we're gonna know this Denise and and Brandy's situation, but now it's gone to July. I need to know. I need to know. I'm Denise Richards. I'm on the magazines. You wish you were on a work bitch. I love Denise. And also, can I say something? You are? You are you caught up with Beverly Hills. I don't watch I don't watch any of Beverly Hills, so but I'm happy to Can you guys talk about it? Okay?

So Denise Richards is the best thing that's happened to the show in a long time. And you can tell the reason that they're targeting her is because they all cannot deal with the fact that she's the fan favorite. Oh man, her husband's a lack of doodle though. Job. You need to get you need, you need to get up to date, because he is like one of those crazy conspiracy theory persons. Total dundee, he is not. But Denise, Okay. In her confessional is that what they call it the

confessional or whatever? Yeah, they're talking head confessional or whatever. Her confessional. She looks like her character from Drop Dead Gorgeous but lucky and lean. She is Becky and Lemon, all grown up and it's confessional and I and even she's wearing the Todder's in tears off of that She's wearing in one of the confessionals. I'm like, I forget it. Oh my god. I love Erica Chaine. Um Dorito's too much for me. I can't. I'm not. I always and forever love Kyle and Mauricio. Is I want to I

want to have an only fans with Mauricio. I love him? Can I say Mauricio? And I'm not speculating. I love Kyle. Kyle's what I see when I look in the mirror. I thought, I will say this, what's the deal with MAURICEO. He has not been around And that's all I'll say about that one. What he's on like five episodes this season? Girl, there's something going down. Stop it. I know I'm not know too much. With Kelly and her divorce, I'm not going to talk about. I love Kyle Marizio. Stop it.

Are you excited about the return of his Brandy? Well, I don't like Brandy. I mean, who likes Brandy, but she's come back to stir it up. Fucking fucking Denise. Brandy probably hangs out with La Michelle. Oh god, what what an allegation? We have a team Leon rhymes person here in the end the zoom. Yes, Oh my god, it's delicious. What is her? How do I live with? Yeah, she's she's Yeah, she's an icon. We're actually we're gonna take a break and we're gonna come back, and it's

I don't think so, honey, time everybody. Okay, we're back. I think it's time for I don't think so, honey. This is our segment where we take one minute to rail against something in culture. Um that's just getting on our nerves. Um. Could be anything that's going on in the world right now, could be something that's happening on on a personal level or on a global level. It's up to the reader, it's up to a person, um to to to rail against what you want to rail against.

I just want to say, oh no, I'll save it for the end. Okay, Well, we know there's something coming. There's something coming. Something it comes. I do can you time me? Yes, I do have something because something actually came up on Twitter today and I actually couldn't believe what I was seeing. Oh my goodness. Okay, all right, so this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many

as time starts now, I don't think so, honey. The n y U culture right now, all you little n y U twinkie gays are getting online and talking about Timothy shallow May, spreading rumors that he spread clamidia while he was in New York at n y U, saying that he is a clamidia fiend. I don't think so, honey.

First of all, if you were a twenty year old at n y U, you don't you and you think you know someone who knows someone who knows someone who's up with tell me, Timothy Shalomy, let me tell you something right now, No twenty year old at m y U knows a fucking thing. You don't know anything for a fact. I don't think so, manny all you you remind me of me when I was eighteen year old saying I quote unquote knew for a fact that James Franco banged everyone on my floor. I didn't know ship

for a fact. I was a liar for attention. I see you guys getting on Twitter and you a little means and you're trying to take the actor at the moment Timothy Shalomy trance to slander him. Also, why are you spreading harmful things about someone sexual health? Oh so I have to say this, clammydia is not a big fucking deal. You need to grow up. I don't think so high. If you think lamydia is a big deal,

be a grown up like me and get syphilis. And Williams from someone who worked for Good Morning America or so he said. Until then, I don't think so honey. And that's one minute that was so saturated with information. That's what I have to say. I have to say.

There's a lot of little twinks online right now, and I quote retreated one of them who were like, the fact of the matter is, I know for a fact that Timothy Shalom may give everyone at chlamydiat at end right and well en Yu is the clamydia of colleges, but gave everyone and n y U clamydia. I was like, you know what, you don't know this for a fact. You're a twenty year old looking for attention online. Oh

my god, he's coming for the gen z Ears. Well, it was such a funny too, because he was like, I know someone who knows someone who knows someone who's up with tillingmy Timothy Shaloman and got chlamydia. And it's like, First of all, bitch, why are you talking about someone's sexual health. This is very twenty years old of you. Second of all, bitch, you do not know that because this is a game of telephone that I cannot co

sign on. Third of a bitch, I was you talking about James Franco back in the day, And I know I was lying. Fourth of all, bitch, chlamydia is not a big deal. Like I said, clam India, you take a pill and you get better. And if it's true, let the let the child spread the chlamydia. Get on my level and get syphilis. And that's a role of culture. At number sixty six, Get on my level, and I got the monster of all s t I s And let me tell you something. It was not quote unquote

a day in the park. Marty is scandalized. Marty scandalized. I think that was a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful, Well. I don't like this rumor spreading. I don't like I don't like the stigma around sties, and I don't like the stigma around sexuality. And I think that people are just they get really excited. And the fact of the matter is Timothy Shalomgans who all the young girls are beating off to nowadays, so they can't wait to talk about how much they quote unquote know him and know about him?

Is he the one from the call me call me your name, Yes, call me by your name famously. If you're gonna stigmatize S T I S, then that is a hair away from you saying, um that sex work should be criminal should be criminalized. It's also shich is wrong. No, no, you're when you're not kidding. I'm I'm I'm being I'm I'm I'm. This is a bad faith argument I'm making. This is all. That's all I'm saying. Let's just say this.

There was a lot of things that I don't think so honey on this day, and I picked you, n y U twinks causing drama. Shut up, I have a similar. I don't think so honey, actually wow, and I love the similar to manically similar And speaking of your I don't think so honey. It might be time for you now here's the thing, Bowen, I famously got into a bike accident last week and my phone was shattered, so I was able to um time you. So do you mind timing yourself? Of course? Here, I'll do all. I'm

doing well by the way I have. My wounds are healing actually really really quickly. I'm actually I think I'm of an x men with the way I'm healing. It's really kind of crazy that I'm happy. I'm happy you're healing and you're recovering. A sorry, party is very lost. Okay, here we go. I don't think so, honey, And it's time starts now. I don't think so honey. People who a um posted that whole gen z versus millennials TikTok threat. I mean it was funny, but no, this is the thing.

Be the person on Twitter. I can't find their handle. I mean they were being very funny, but they said that that sounds like an episode of lost culturistics that that you and I talk in terms of being like, I'm a hufflepuff. I hate adulting. We have never let it be known on the record that Matt and I have never not once said the word adult ing. I abhore that word as much as the gen Zers do. We talked about Harry Potter maybe once a year, and I at this point sucking hate Harry Potter, and I

rejected the whole full wholesale, and I truly whatever. Like you know what, the gen Z or someday they're going to be in our position and they're going to look back at the younger generation, the generation creeping up behind them, and think, oh, no, we were the cool ones back in the day when COVID was so just everyone. Let's stay in our lanes. Let's all coexist as generations. We're not that you're not gonna You're not gonna okay, boomer Us.

You know that's one minute, You're actually not gonna. No. It was wonderful, and you know what, it brings up a really great social point, which is that gen Z will get old, okay. And I love and we love gen Z so much. We love Billie Eilish so much for yourself, and I knew you'd bring up Billie Eilish. And also the facts of the matter is I don't like that it's all on Billie Eilish's shoulders to represent j Where's Lord, Where did she go? Where the fund

is Lord. It's actually a really culture number one where is Lord. She was supposed to release new music, but then her dog passed away, so she's really traumatized. So she's taking time to work on I think a dog album, which I'm looking forward to. It's very mindy Cyrus and her dead pets. I'm going to say on like, I love that for Lord. I love I love that for Lord Tree. You know that's gonna be a good album. Well, I am. Lord is one of the great young artists. Uh,

I agree? I agree, Marty. Marty. Marty is shell shocked right now. What's going through your mind right now? Marty? I'm just happy to be here, Marty. This is Marty's first time really observing. I don't think culture. Yes, yes, and we're so happy that Marty's here. Okay, Marty, would you like to do and I don't think so. Honey, you're required to you. I say, well, you brought up Harry Potter, which was gonna be my do it, do it? Do it? Do it, do it? Do it? Do it? Okay, Marty,

this is Marty wo coming down. Don't think so many of their time starts it now. I don't think so honey, j k rally in the middle of a pandemic and a Black Lives Matter movement decides to become a turf and talk about how transport women will. Guess what, j K roan and I give a funk about your Lagardi levios a bitch. Alright, Harry Potter went into the wind's back and all the time to talk to Morty Myrtle

and nothing happened. So get the funk together, all right. Also, transformon over women, transmitter men, and non binary people are themselves, So get your ship together and focus on what's really happening. We're a pandemic where people are dying and getting sick, and governments aren't paying attention, people aren't wearing mask and he have Black people who are being killed by systemic racism by the American police forces. So we needed to

fund the police. Get your act together, keep going, keep taking one another thing. I don't even like that fucking spider. It was a dumb plot point. Oh as a little bit sorry you j k rallies, to get your ship together, your turf, focus on what matters seconds and trans woman, our women, transmitter man, non binary people on themselves and from us and that's one minute. Oh my god, I got all that in thirty seconds. I don't forget it.

You really laid in and honestly, that was a speed and rapidity that we aspire to, and you really nailed J. K. Rowling. And I have to say, as someone who loves in Orlando Theme Park, it is frustrating to me, but I'm going to be bypassed. Harry Potter World saved my life once and gone gone. Please continue. How did it Harry Potter World save your life? Okay? I want to know World. It's actually a rural culture. Number sixty four saved my life.

So my husband loves Disney theme parks and loves amusement parks, and so we were ned to Larida and during Halloween season and he was like, we have to go to Halloween, Horror, Fright Night whatever at Universal. It is scary, bitch scary. So I said sure, I uh. Haunted houses okay, So cyber I got hired to do a haunted house with

a Lissa Edwards and Rocky Andrews Ones. And I was felt so bad scaring the people that I would apologize to them by scared and they and they were like, you need to stop, and I'd be like, oh, oh, I'm so sorry that I felt And I felt bad with a Lissa and Roxy and and all these drag queens. Anyway, cy I think I had like I felt bad because once when I was in like fourth grade, I pee my pants on a hunted house that my brother worked at.

Uh anyway, okay, So moving on. I was at Universal. Hey, these people are all on costs, people are you know whatever? So I see this girl in a cheerler costume. Oh fun, little cut cheerler costume. How cute? And uh, I'm you know, waving at the cheerleader and uh, look at a little raw rack girl. And then she reaches behind this bush and pulls out the biggest chainsaw I've ever seen. And this cheerleader, you know, Ashley or Megan or whoever call her and get something to call him now. So Karen's

chasing me with this chainsaw and I'm screaming. So my husband and all of our friends are laughing, having a good old time watching me die, and I um and I'm crying and screaming. And then she sits, she does the signal, and little two more cheerleaders with chainsaws come out. You gave yourself away. I I thought I was gonna tie. So I, uh, there's a taco truck and I got in the line because they can't get you in the food line. I was and there and they literally you

can't stay there all day. So then by this time there's like six or seven cheerleaders with chainsaws. My I can get through a haunted house, but I hate the chainsaw because what if what if one of them is nuts and they put the chain on it and really try to well, come on, they make it. I also think we were at the same year because it was like it is what you're describing. It was like it was like a junior prom and raised blue and white

cheerleader outfits a little bit so Harry. So I see the door and I didn't know what it was, but I said I wanted there. I don't wanted there. And I opened the door and all of a sudden was a diagon Alley. Now Harry Potter World diagon Alley. The diagon Alley is not allowed to have the horrorie because it's a tame. So when I tell you I wrote the Green Got Bank Ride, it's so good, Paul, I said, I'm not leaving until the part closes. I'm staying in

here in Harry Potter World. So J. K. Rowling is a stupid turf, But Harry Potter World saved my life from those wretched little cheerleaders who frankly they they looked like Trump's supporters. They live in well, they lived in Florida. I also have to say one thing. I have to say one thing about Harry Potter books, Harry Potter films, Harry Potter theme parks, whatever. Don't let J. K. Rowling, being a jerk and a turf take the experience that

you had with the books away. I thought Daniel Radcliffe put it really beautifully, because if you have a relationship, and you gotta read Daniel Radcliffe's sort of statement on this matter, because I thought it was beautiful and I really love him and I give him a hug wherever he is. If you got something out of that book that was about how love can conquer, all about how you know this, the eve illness that is purification of race is something to be chased out of the world.

If you got positive things out of the book, if they're a part of your childhood, no one can ever take that from you, and I thought that was really beautiful. And you know what she She's Baltimore. She's been changed by her wealth, and she's been changed, and she is not able to recognize her privilege any longer. And she is a different thing. But your experience with the books and with the films, and with your enjoyment with that content is yours. And don't let it get me ruined

for you. That's my message. You know what Harry Potter books did to me. They loved Daniel Radcliffe. What is sweetie? I I wish rosa Donald Show was still around so he could be a guest on it. But bring it back, bring it back. But I love the Harry Potter books until the final book came out on my twenty one birthday and everybody left my birthday party to go get in line at Barnes and Nobles. Shut up for all eugen Zers who are coming for my millennial nous. Barnes

and Nobles is a bookstore. If you know what I'm book is, you're all bitch. Learn about books? How about that? Learn about books? Learn about don't ever come for don't ever come for the bus before we before we go. I did want to ask you. I don't want you to leave without asking you about this. But like, so you've been a drag artist for years and a decade. Yeah, yeah, over a decade, so you kind of have seen like drag race explode Dragon to this next level. I recently

found cleaning out my papers. Uh my, do you remember a couple of at the beginning of the pandemic. It's not a weird sentence at the beginning. I remember at the beginning of the pandemic, the National International Nightmare. At the beginning of the pandemic, I posted my season two audition tape on my Instagram. Oh my gosh, how many years did you audition? Uh? And I posted them because I was going through my papers and I found the note card that RuPaul used to sign himself being like

thank you for all. It was like a printed carpet. Then RuPaul would like sign it being like thank you for auditioning for RuPaul's records for season two. And I found that. I said, I said, I I'm going to post my season two audition. Wow, And it's there. I'm grateful that human beings can evolve and and grow and learn. Yes, I know what you're saying. I get you because I started drying before YouTube tutorial. So everybody, every dry queen had to have a messy phase. Mine just happened to

last six or seven years. But you know, every dry queen has to have a messy face. Now these girls come out looking you know, uh Telapia, They said, what did you just started doing that? They just look so beautiful because they look at the inner web and paint before they come out. I didn't have the luxury of the you know, dial up and so so I I was very um, unfortunate looking. But the fact of the matter is, like you, what you work was authentic? Yeah, but you know I I worked. I worked, and I'll

tell you why. Talent um. Yeah, you know. I don't want to say I'm not a great queen, but I I know what my strengths are and I and I and I think you know a lot of these queens today Listen, you can look beautiful, but if you can't hold an audience by yourself on stage for an hour, you are an incredible queen. And you are you are,

you are inspirational. And I I feel like if drag Race has made people think that being an incredible queen means showing up with a perfect face and a perfect shaped body in terms of how you constructed it, and being able to be good at snatch game, etcetera, etcetera. Let's just say for the second that that is not drag. That is being a drag race contestant. So you are. I mean, I love the show. I love watching the show, and of course we all love the show. Yeah, I

love the show. I love seeing my friends on it, and I love seeing and meeting new friends because of it, you know, getting to work with Queen, I've worked with so many of them. I'm filming something. I mean, it will be out by the time this air, so I can say I'm filming a Netflix panel with a bunch of drag race girls. And I'm very lucky in my career that I've been able to have a career that

many drag race girls have without the show. I'm very I'm very fortunate, and for whatever reason the universe has has made I'm very lucky and I and I think it's important. Like I said earlier, whenever you have anything like that in your life, use it to be of service to people. So I hope my drag is an opportunity to show people that yes, you can be funny and silly and do fun stuff and you know, tell silly stories about saying I'm a pussy in front of

a princess. But at the end of the day, I hope if anybody takes anything away from my drag, I hope it's that, you know, drag is political. Drag is an act of political revolution, and it's self, uh that use your drag to be of service, and use your platform to be of service, and and and you have an opportunity to really help and educate people. That's why I love shows like We're here. I love with with you know, Dragnificent. I was so grateful to do Shade

Queens when we did that. Um, I love the Boulet Brothers. Dragula shows a whole new side of drag where there's drag kings and and all different types of drag artists. And I and I and I think, um, I you know, I I love see you know jan and Jackie and Britta are great friends of mine, and I loved seeing them this season. And I can't wait to see who's

on the next season. And uh and I and I like that drag Race put out a statement about the fans this week, you know, stop being the fans are so vicious to those girls and say the most racist, awful stuff, and it's terrible. That's not what drag is about. You know. It's a competition where you're you're competing for a crown, but at the end of the day, like we're all, you know, a community and and drag. The greatest thing about drag is the friendships you make because

of it. And and I hope that all these fans who watch that show see that, Like the girls care about one another even though they're competing, and they're reading each other. And there's shade. Shade is not being an asshole. Shade is like a funny, silly thing. Don't be a dick, you know, And a lot of these fans act like that, and it's wrong. You know. Drag is about uplifting one another and supporting one another in your art, whatever your art is. And um, And so I was happy that

the show put out that statement. I wish the host put out more statements. Yeah yeah, But I love World of Wonder and I love Drag Race and I'm grateful that they've given me so many opportunities to be on panels a Dragon. I love doing Dragon. I love being a voice at those events and I and I love working with them. You're doing because you are a superhero and we're so proud of you as a representative of our community, and we're so excited about everything that you're

gonna do. And I mean we are we are huge fans. And this is what I was gonna save earlier on for for later was I mean, this is just me saying that, Uh, just seeing Marty and Action is to love Marty and I. You know, Marty, Marty, Marty and I we worked um a march one time. Wait, my eyebrows are so busted that day. I don't remember that. I knew, Oh oh clunky chunkies. They look they looked like two clubs. You would shoes on my face. I don't want to think you were great a long gray

wig and a purple feather dress. And then it was truly like float after float, community after community that was representing the whole march. Like you were running down and like dancing with them and people were just ecstatic to see you. And I was like, oh, that's right, Like Marty is like I love being queer. I love pride. I love being queer so much. I love you were someone who embodies every part of that spirit like you

unify people. You bring people together from from every corner of this community that you would in terms of in terms of disparate communities that you would think wouldn't be connected, but didn't you bring them together in such a beautiful way. And I think, I mean yes, your drag is inspiring, your drag is public service. And it's so amazing to say. We love it. We love it so much, Marty, thank you, we love you, Thank you so much for being here. Vote for Marty and we'll be talking more about this

and we love you. And on this episode of Last Culture raised us like any other we do. And every episode with the song Matt go who that cool? Staring great? Why is my One? And for more of that, you can listen to the soundtrack of Lot Bye. I'm stop