"I Find Vegas Incredible" (w/ Brian Jordan Alvarez)

could you? We'll find out you won't regret this. Maybe you regret it now, but in forty eight hours you will not will not regret Well, let me just say one thing to you, this one and it's like, yeah, okay, breaking those fag sees Adele says it was best show ever. It really was. It sucks that you have to sort of qualify it like that, because it really is meaningful

that fag saw Adele. And yet we're at a point in the culture now where fag saw Adele is losing its meaning and so for my best friend to say, and it makes me sad that you have to sort of like get ahead of it, like that it was such a given that it was going to be what

it was for me. But when I tell you, I joined up with thousands of people in the openly sobbing community, and everyone in the openly sobbing Lately community got together last night to openly sob for two hours while this woman sang, and it was truly it was like at a certain point you have to laugh because you're like, oh yeah, Like, isn't it going to be funny when she sings take it All? Isn't that going to be funny? What's gonna happen to us? She's saying take it all.

Not only does she sing take it all, she extra take it all. She she put us through take it Oh my god, I can't. I can't think about take it all, or I'll cry. Do you think I can think about take it all? What about you think I can think about take it all? And then I am sorry, I don't know. Good too? And I want to say, because podcasts are not a visual medium, I would describe the way I look right now like fact, like I got punched in the head repeatedly by music. Punch in

the head repeatedly by music. Fact. Saw adell is a hate crime in Nevada. And that's a real culture. That's real culture. Number twenty in Nevada take it all. First of all, I'm just kind of stuck on this one number. This was so fucking good, and I just cried and cried and cried because, you know what, whatever, it's common knowledge amongst people that listen to this podcast. I genuinely feel like maybe that was a cathartic final thing for me and break up era. Yeah, but like wow, I mean,

just unbelievable the amount of emotion. She knows she's putting you through too. She says at the top, she's like, hey, so sorry, y'all are about to get fucked up, and she just says it. Everyone looks at each other like m and the openly sobbing community was thriving last night. It was so unbelievable, Bowen, it was so unbelievable. I haven't been part of OSC for a long time. I have not openly sobbed. I've sobbed in the past a week, but not openly. I've sobbed in front of my therapist

on Zoom. We sobbed on the phone, We stobbed on the phone. I sobbed on patient portal sessions, is what I sobbed. Oh wow, oh no, oh god. Thursday, it was a bad day. We don't have to get into it, don't I know it? But didn't Channy Nicholas say, and you and I checked in about this. Channy Nicholas said, say that it is a sharp, jagged cliff of a week.

You're not gonna want to dive into the ocean when you know there are sharp rocks in the water, So tread lightly, literally just carefully walk through the week because there are going to be hazards, and indeed there were, and you and I might have even touched a sharp point on our own paths. Do you know what I'm saying. I think you and I needed to have Thursday because Thursday was I'm gonna say, Thursday of last week. If you're listening to this on Wednesday was one of the

worst days ever. I'm ever sorry, Channing Nicholas said, confirmed that that was astrologically written in the stars aida one of the worst weeks anyone could ever have. And when I said that to my sister and they're checked them with people about it, they were like, it's we are all feeling it. Yeah, and every literally everyone literally went through it. Talking to Ago last night, our guest, he better have had a terrible week. I'm sure that our guests had a fucking awful week. Let's check in with

him about this in a second. I'm so excited our guest is here. Our guest is one of those people. I think he was always someone that like you and I looked up to still do. I mean every time he posts something, and I hate that I'm like verbalizing posts in a way that like just the word post on a linguistic level does not match like the act of posting post. I think that you're right, post is

reserved for the mail. Ultimately, though, I'm very happy about post because when our guest does post, dame to post, I would say effortless star, I would say incredibly gifted, funny, hilarious young man. And I would also say, you know, it's not an apology to the readers, but it is a recognition that there is a community. So there's the openly sobbing community, and then there's a large community of people in our fan community, the readers who are actively

angry and upset that this has taken this long. I agree with them, I see you, I hear you, and we've rectified it. This is an incredible moment. Bowen our guests recently was in the film Megan and I have something to say about the way that the fates had it with his character, and Megan and I want to run something by him. But yeah, first of all, that was the film of the year, film of the year. You know him from Well Grace, you know him from Oh my God, The Gay in Winter's Life of Caleb Gallo, huge,

huge formative culture for a generation. It's true, among many other things, Among many other things. Of course, there's Timothy, there's TJ. Mack husband, there's the wife, there's Marnie t There's just this universe of characters who you must intimately get to know if you haven't already. We're very lucky women. We're very lucky women this week, and let's check in with him and see if he had a terrible week.

Why don't we Okay, so everyone, please welcome into your ears right doing an hour Hi, Hi, Oh my god. That was the best. That was the best introduction. That was the most flattering introduction I've ever heard, deserved, deserved. Thank you, guys. You guys are the best. Wow, how is your last week? You know, I think it was bad, and I'm trying When you guys were saying that, I was like, oh my god, they're so right. And then I was trying to remember if it was Oh no, no, yeah,

I fell completely ill. I had a horrible stomach flu. Oh no, I recovered, and then I just went and like took some time in nature yesterday and the early party today, and then I just came back to I just get back to the city. And I was so mad, Dude, I'm in New York right now for work and I was so mad to come back in the mint had I had to drop up my brother in law let me his car. I just had to drop his car off in like NoHo, and I accidentally went I was

trying to make a turn in Soho. I was in Soho and I was trying to make a turn and I was almost there, and I accidentally went into the Holland Tunnel and I to go over all the way to Jersey City, Jersey all the way back. Yeah, but what a nightmare. No, it has been a wild week. It really is. In the stars. It was beyond us. And how did you guys experience it, but you ended you ended it in this incredible way at the adult concert. I have to tell you, like I really I can't.

And it's like it's so stupid to be like, guys, see Adele, you know what I mean? I know, well, she needs somebody kind of like backing her up, like go to this show. You know, yeah, she needs me out here pushing it like this is an ad for weekends with Adele. No, it was just that thing of like it was a place where people came to literally just at one point, I just turned around and I was you can see my face right now, I am swollen.

I turned around, I made babe, I turned on. I made eye contact with a woman who maybe was in her fifties, and she just looked at me. We looked me, made eye contact for about three solid seconds. She nodded like she was just like yeah, me too, Like turning tables is also doing it to me right now, so she's like absolutely, and I think I reached out and grabbed her hand and then like it was, I mean, I feel closer with the friends that I went with. I want my friends re clip and Gus like we were.

I have to thank the universe. I mean, if there's anyone to see live, there's anyone to see a lion for sure. I mean it's it's gotta be basically the best voice in the world right now, right it's there another and bo when you were right there when she did, because she came to U s and l and hosted and sang and was messing around and fucking around, and boone got to stand right there. Yeah, that was fun. She was just riffing. She was just riffing. It was fun.

How is how is nature? What did you do? Did you on little walks hikes? I did a little bit. I more just like sat in the I went to Woodstock, New York. Have you ever been there? We've heard of that one. I think I typed like upstate New York into Airbnb. This this is like my longest Is that even up state? Yeah? Exactly? Yeah, yeah, okay, that is upstate? Yeah for sure? Is anything north of the city upset?

Like when do you start? I think once you're on Taconic, once you're on the Taconic State Parkway, you're officially upstate, baby, And I will not do that again. You were there alone? I was there alone. Yeah, I stayed like in sort of a cabin by myself, and I was slightly worried that I was gonna be murdered. But yeah, it's too scary. It's too scary. I know. I was like, Oh, I should have just stayed in a hotel. Why did I She was like a house with glass doors on all

the you know, that's fine. I slept the light on. Yeah, it's incredibly dark too. It gets slightly dark. Yeah, I know, I know. Yeah, you said this is your longest time in the city. So yeah, I have an interesting history with New York because I was born here and I lived here until I was four. Because my dad used to run the Roosevelt Island Tramway. Do you guys know that tramway? Yes, a cable car that goes Yes, of course he used to run it. He was the king of that. He he was the king. Yeah, that is

a country and he was the king. Yeah. Um, he like managed that for many years. But then we moved to like rural Tennessee. And basically I've been sort of an la actor in my adulthood, so I haven't done the New York thing. But now I'm here writing. Um, so it's it's cool to sort of be in the city and have a job in the city and feel like a real city girl. But but then you, like everyone in the city, feel like you have to get out of the city. So you have to get out

of the city. You know, it's so much city in every direction. It's like everything everywhere, all ones. And then you really do become that person who googles Upstate New York, you know what I mean, Because but the thing about upstate New York and the thing about that, and I'm guessing it did work for you, you know what I mean. You went out and got into nature, did except I was mad at having to come back. But yeah, it actually worked shockingly well it thought. I was there last night.

I was like, this is corny. How much better I feel instantly, and how I am kind of ready to go back to the city. You know, almost it was your I went to Adele and actually cried, get this, you know what I mean. It was I went upstate and it worked nature, Actually it was healing. Exactly where did you see Adela at Caesar's? How many nights did you spend in Vegas? Two? Because you can't do more than that. I find Vegas incredible. I feel so corny for loving as much as the title of app I

find Vegas incredible. Well, it's not great about but I agree, it's so fun. It's just like God, I guess it is. It sort of build as an adult playground, and everything is so insane. I mean, especially Caesar's House, Like it's so big. You're like, how big is this? You're just walking in it for like miles. You're like, that's still Caesar's Palace and that building is Caesar's Palace and they have the start from David I think in there. Yeah,

that's right. I feel like we grew up on Ocean's eleven, and we grew up on rat Race, and we grew up on like important Vegas films. Yeah, and I think rat Race is an excellent piece of art. I never got that into rat Race, and I was I watched I watched Oceans eleven. I think a few times. Rat Race is supposed to be incredible though, right, No, it's not, it's not. It's actually I have not watched it since

two thousand or or something. Rat Race is one of those movies where it's like you see the trailer for it. I remember being a kid and seeing the trailer for rat Race and it was like, you know, would be Goldberg and like so many people like I literally I could not name any more people in the cast, but I remember being kids seeing that lot of sample cast and being like, I know that that is one of

the greatest films ever made. And I know. And then I remember like the movie came out and it got like a shady review and like my local paper, I was like, that's gotta be wrong. Unbelievable cut two years and years been tracking this project, and I thought it was gonna be great. I know for a fact that because of my of my cursory viewing of the trailer

as a child, that's one of the greatest films. And I feel personally attacked to read and then my local paper, news Day Long Island's own Newsday that there was a two star rating. Absolutely not wait, Matt say you never saw it either, No, there's an amazing Kathy Bates. It was, oh my god, no, but Bowen, this is this is a thing. People love that movie. I think my friend Stephanie loves that movie. Think my boyfriend loves that movie. I think it's like it has a real cult following. Yeah,

a cult following exactly. It's not quite cult. It's more like an MLM following something. It's definitely trying to make you do something else. Yeah, it's trying to get you to watch some recruit. Your boyfriend loves it, so then why haven't you seen it? Maybe I know, well maybe that maybe that him. So yeah, that is going to be the strong you need to go to weekends. I'm writing this, I'm writing this down. He's writing down. See race race race, respect my lover, see rat race respect? Man?

Are you missing La? Do you hate New York? Overla? Finally, I know I was so New York. I was so engine New York for I've been here two months already

and I've been very vocally in favor of it. I've been like, oh my god, odd walkable city because like my my friend um Stephanie has this say this is maybe slightly morbid, but they it just because it's about It's like, there's a study about Alzheimer's that says one of the things that the two things ilp you avoid it the most are talking to people and walking walking and New York City. It just creates these scenarios all

the time you're walking talking. So there is this sort of health, this healthy thing here in the way of life. But then what what started to wear on me was just the real concrete jungle. But I think I also just don't know the and it's winter. I don't know which parks to go to. You know, I've heard there's something called Central Park. No kidding, I really I haven't gone to Central Park much. It's so cold out. You

own you don't need to go to Central Park? And can I say, like, what do you do when you do? It's quite lovely. I never regret it, right, right? What are you about to say, Matt? Do you know this about me? Though? Like I lived in New York City for eleven years, I've been to Central Park less than five times. I lived in the city for eleven years, and I can count literally on one hand the amount

of times I've even been there. It's really weird, and I would say that I can say pretty confidently that I have had a full New York experience without having spent a lot of time there. Yeah. Interesting, Well you're about to hit spring. Yeah, it's also it's more a summer thing anyway, too, right, But there's others these other cooler parks that people I see people at in the summer, right, I think you're thinking that one where they play a movie up on a big building or something. Bryant is

that Brian Park. But yeah, they do that at Bryant. And then there's Prospect Park in for Green mccaren is kind of fun, even though it's flat and there's not much going on besides like running in soccer. I mean, parks parks to New York are quite special, and I take that for granted because I feel like it's not quite as prevalent in other parts of the world. Maybe

I don't know, maybe like San Francisco. The one thing San Francisco has going for it now, I think is like that Mission Viejo thing, right, that what it's called where you like lay and then you see and the gays are running around San Francisco. Gays are obsessed with that part. They really they They love to let you know they're at that park. Yeah, they're like, hey, we're at this iconic park, Like, come visit San Francisco. It's like me with Adel, like they're being paid to advertise

for it. But wait, this is what I wanted to ask you about Megan before I forget Okay, so Megan incredible when we also I saw Megan with friends and my friend afterwards he was like, it's it's definitely a cult it's a cult hit, and I was like, it's not a hit, it's a huge movie. It made money, Yeah, made money, Okay, And we can say this like, being gay and enjoying a movie does not make something called

and that's actually number thirty. Being gay and enjoying a movie does not make something called yeah you were gay and like something. So speaking of being gay, and in the movie, you get the script, you're like, you're doing it, and then you realize you're not going to die in the movie. And here's my thing. It's like I thought, if I was you in the movie, I would want to get killed by Megan. And I kind of was like, Brian, it feels like this character is getting absolutely fucked up

by Megan. Thrilled that you survived because then you can be Megan two. Megan's yeah, whatever's going to happen with Megan going forward and thrilled for that, but what percentage of you is like disappointed that you didn't get to get fucked up by Megan. Well, no, I do get fucked up by her. She's well, I don't know you really spoilers, but she she there's definitely some violence that she inflicts upon me. But I'm glad she didn't kill

me because I do want to. I want to live on to battle her further or to sort of engage with her. She's working actually such powerful, she's such a woman in business these days. You know, did you see she's in the new Mark Jacobs campaign. I saw that. No, I'm wrestling with how to feel about it. Oh, and she has a Mark Jacobs campaign. I wish I could show you. Oh that's genius. Yeah. What's Drew Barrymore's obsession with Megan? What's that about? Why is Drew like dressing

up as her? I don't know the clip of Alison Williams on Drew Barrymore. Well, can we just talk about the Drew Barrymore of it? All is I was on the show once and she was sitting behind a table, so she couldn't she didn't have the opportunity to do this. That woman will get up out of her chair, crawl over to her guest, get right up in their face. Yeah,

it's wild. She is. She is everywhere, she is on the ground like she is, and that when she dressed up as Megan and got really really really close knit to Alison, I was like, at what point are you just like why does it start and end? Right? Yeah? And she had I think her contact was like sliding off. I was fucked, yes, yes, yeah, wait, what's Allison like? We're being so stupid? Tell us she's the best man.

I love No, I love Alison. The thing about Allison is she's so smart and so that part that I think that's why she works so well on that part, because she's like she is like an Ivy League, like a plus plus. She's the real deal. Gene's a robotics queen. She's a robotics genius exactly well, Alison Williams is a

robotics Genius's culture number forty four, Alison. What I love about here is like she is so self aware about the Alison Williams thing that literally even the character being named Megan when Alison's there's some scenes in the movie where intrinsically the energy is just like Megan stop stop now, yeah, Megan off. Yeah, It is so brilliant just called Megan it's a chick. It's a normal name on some Yeah. No, but Alison was really sweet, She really was. She was

just so kind to me. And I think my favorite thing was that she found me funny and I found her really funny. And I was like, Alison Williams so funny. Don't we love that? That is the highest compliment? But no, how could she not? Oh? Thank you? Yeah, you really are a fucking icon. Boo, thank you so much. You guys are obviously stars of stage and screen. No, no, no, no no, But it's an event anytime something goes up, it's an event in the group chat for us. Oh no,

it really is. Where someone's like, oh, TJ. Mac wife is back. Does she have a name? His wife is back. She doesn't have a name. You guys can name her if she wants. No, No, no, absolutely not. I'm saying so many names in my head right now. Anything is her name? Rita? Rita? I said, And that's so funny that you said Rita because I was living in Roberta Land, Roberta. Wait, Brian, you're gonna say something, I said, Jessica, But I'm wrong. How can you you are the creator? Are you just

going into like a flow state when you do that. Definitely, yeah, And I need to be doing it more because I'm here. You know, I'm very consumed by you know, we're writing this TV show right now for affects. That's very exciting and amazing, but it um you know, speaking of posting, as you guys were, I am like, I'm not posting enough.

The pressure to post, but it's like I love posting, but for me it comes out of like really sitting in your apartment and scrolling for hours and like like you're eating like chicken off freighto and then you're just like take a video and like the laziest space. You know.

It's like it's like, actually, to me, it's like the closest thing I can conceive up to inspired work because it's like it's something I'm doing because I want to write when I want to and then posting it right away, which is like I often think like, oh, if I would put more planning or energy into these videos, they would maybe do better, or I could get more of numbers or something, but I'm just like, I don't know. It's like the only way I know how to do it.

It's just off the cuff, you know, no, but that's perfect because of course it's the best inspired thing because it's you in your like day to day life and your slices of life or whatever that you're like, I'm going to post something. I know that sounds like sort of reductive, but that's how it feels to me. No, No, that that's what it is exactly. I demand to know the answer to the question, and that is sort of the centerpiece of Lost Cultures. This I demand. So, Brian

Jordan Elvers, what was the culture they made? You say? Culture was for you? Because we're talking sort of about how you create and quite frankly post culture, and we want to no, what made her her? Well? This question? To me? What this question means to me? Yeah, well no that what I mean what comes to mind for me is Alma Dovar movies. But I don't know if that's a satisfying answer. Have you seen that's a great answer? Yeah,

have you guys ever seen All About My Mother? The one that won the y It's so good to me that probably I watched it like maybe a hundred times. I've also watched Prometheus like two hundred times or something, which I think a lot of people hate pro me are you guys? I find that First of all, I find that movie very gay. It's like very I was just gonna say, has this really perfect esthetic. And David the robot is very sort of yeah, I don't know, maybe gay coded or something. Spender is gay coded and

he's definitely serving one way or another for sure. And also any movie where Charlie's Theron sort of get it's like crushed by a big yeah, like a real Madonna energy in that movie. She's like really an all powerful, powerful being. Yeah, that movie is such gay culture. But that's so funny that you bring that up, because I remember thinking really cult, it's really cult. It's cult classic,

like Megan, I will never forget. Like when that movie, the trailer for that came out, it was a very rat race because I was like, I know, I'm gonna see that and absolutely love that, And nothing about that genre of movie is my thing. Like I don't like to be scared. I do not like science fiction. I don't like to be grossed out. I don't like aliens.

I would rather not even talk about whether or not they exist, like the UFOs of it all, Like I don't want to participate in that we are even like talking about whether or not no, and I'm actually upset right now. I don't even want to. But when I saw that movie and I saw Charlie's there on in that movie and what's her name? Um, I was like,

I know, I have to participate in this culture. And I remember going with like people in college, I think, and going to the Union Square Regal and watching Prometheus. And it was a tough sit because it is it's scary, it's weird, it's fucked up. Yeah, but you had to go because ultimately Charlie Starren was there sort of like serving Madonna and getting crushed by a rock. I'm not

gonna not sit for that. I'm seated for that. And she has like shockingly perfect hair the whole movie and like sometimes that ponytail, like you can't you gotta get to the theater for the wait. Those are great answers that this is where we caught on your answer, like what was the culture that made me say culture for me? Yeah? Prometheus, man, you gave us all about my mother and we were like, oh, but let's skip. Let's incredible. Is all about my mother

is incredible? Yeah? It's so from Penelope cruise and then she's like twenty three or something. She's like, yeah, she looks like an eight. You're like, is this an angel? Is this person real? You know? Yeah? And her acting is of all the acting in that movie, and just like the rich colors, and like there's there's something Almodovar does too where the acting is extremely fully good, like it's at the highest level, but it's also it's also

sort of going melodrama, but you're buying it fully. It's an interesting line to ride because you're never like, oh, this is feeling fake or cheesy. Instead you're just like, oh, this is like acting times ten, you know, which is so delicious to watch. Delicious delicious because even like the mother's son relationship in the beginning is so convincing that like yeah yeah, and like the way he dies is so sorry spoiler, like he gets hit by cars that's

like ten minutes in. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't think that's a big sport. But it's like the way he dies is some al dramatic because he likes he's like chasing after an actress. He's he was gay, right, that son, he had to have been. He was like standing an actress that is a great question. Maybe he is. Yeah, yeah, he's obsessed with the theater actress, with the theater actress. I've never picked up on that. Yeah, I've seen the movie so many times. You're so right. Well, those are

the gayest movies of all time, like even talk to her. Yeah, so did you watch Parallel Mothers? You watch Parallel Mothers? I mean Parallel mother I didn't. I didn't have it. I didn't see it. Both of you gay men need to get red. Wait, who is in parallel is it? Yeah? Wait? What's the one with Antonio Benderis? That was right before that? Ohhh oh that was the one where he plays like the fucked up doctor, right, yeah, yeah, um, oh no, you're thinking of the skin, Yes, the skin I live

that there. No, there's one where he plays a director. Just now, that was right before. But the what's the one that you were talking about? It just came out, Oh, Parallel Mothers, Well, Parallel Mothers. This is just I mean, it's very clearly to me, like one of the best performances that she is were given, which is like saying something because she is so unbelievably good like and like

she's she gets lost in the conversation. But I remember nominated when she got the Oscar nomination for pat Yes, she did, and I think she she very came very close to winning. Way there was like for Parallel Mothers, I'm like, you have to see this movie. If you love I'm one of our, like, you must see this movie. It is really really good. And what I love about his movies too, is like, like you were saying, like the colors, the melodrama, the music, it is really for

us like a way yeah, oh yeah, yeah exactly. Yeah it's deeply gay. It's like deeply gay. Oh yeah yeah, but I love melodrama. It's like it's talking to like, um, soap opera in a way that's like exactly, but in an artistic way. I mean I I absolutely it's like if soap operas had the time, that film has to light and to riot because so much of the soap operatics it's the lightning that day, it's the lighting of the cameras. They have to do it day or don't they does in a day or something? Oh yeah, sop

factors work. That is like so they really do? They really work? I mean a passions did you wait? Have we talked about passions on this podcast. You were a little passions gay. I was a passion. That was when we were kids, right, Yeah, that was when we were a kid. I had a friend who watched it. She was always telling me to watch it when I was interesting. There were witches, there were a little like dolls that came to life. It was a crazy, motherfucking child. Wow,

you are the passion vernon inside of me. That's so sorry. The soaps have been stripped down. There's like one there's only one soap luff now. That's why we have housewives now is it's filled the space. It's like the new soap opera of our job, right, I mean that's literally what Andy Cohen says. Anyway, He's like, you know, I think that the reason why this is such a popular thing is because it actually fills a space in the culture that no longer exists with media soap operas being gone.

I remember when I was little, my mom was like, my mom was like a lifelong die hard. All my children, Fan and Bone and I have talked about this like that being on always. I remember I even got so into it as a kid because the storytelling was so slow, Like I remember, they would start an episode on a Monday. The way that like the episode's restructure was like they'd have like a two person scene and then you'd return to it like four different times in an episode, and

by Friday they were ending that conversation. It was like it was like you essentially were watching two people have a conversation for a week. So that literally, like people that were at home watching it could be doing everything else in the world, right, but really actively watching the show. And in fact, that I think is why, if I really boil it down, why I like The Housewives is because it's the same thing, because it's hard to miss anything too. Yeah, you can always sort of que back

into what's going on. Yes, everything is five episodes longer than it needs to be. I mean it's like real househoves up Beverly Hills is like like I think I might bring something up to Garcelle, and then later she's like, I brought it up and then and now I'm going to take two episodes to think about how I feel about it. Wait, do you guys watch Selling Sunset? Did you get into that? Not the new season? Didn't the new one just come out? It was good? Did a

brand new one just come out. No, I don't think yet. I mean one came out on maybe a few months ago. Oh okay, okay, I have not seen the most recent one. It's so good. My thing was selling Sunset is I don't think there's been a new season yet without Christine, And now she's not on the show. Christine Quinn is not on the show anymore, and I'm kind of like, okay, what will that Wait, did she quit? She's gone, she's gone,

she's gone. Wait, but they and they haven't They've filmed a season without her, but they haven't aired it yet or something that I think, so wow. Okay, So what's the most recent season that we've all seen, the one where Chrishelle is dating one of Yeah, yeah, that is the most recents. Okay, then I'm fine, okay, okay, okay, yeah. Yeah. My thing with Selling Sunset, Brian, is that I'm convinced that all of those people get a list of words

at the beginning of each season. You're like, you can only say these words words, like their sentences are so like simple. Everything they say is a second grader can understand, Like it's incredible. That's how The Hills was too. That's why it's so intoxicated. Yeah. Absolutely, And if they only have one hundred words, they can say for two of the words to be these two words, Escrow and Divina. It's the world I want to live going forward, you

know what I mean, Like, that's the conversation. I don't want to have the UFO conversation. I want to have conversations about Escrow and Divina. And actually, someone that I know saw Divina out in life the other day and it was like someone told me they saw Gwyneth Paltrow. I was like, where, That's That's how I get about like these like housewives and reality stars. It's just like, you can't tell me the not the number one. And I'll say this, Chrishell, she is all of us. Yeah,

is all. Wow, she is all of us. And I'm gonna be the first to say it. I'm a gay man that Sawdell cried and I'm saying that is all of us. And you can go up states to feel good. She came from from a small town or something, right, and yeah, it's rual culture. Number seventy. Chris came out of soap. This is such a profound and definitely accurate theory that that reality TV has is what has replaced soaps. And it's also just the the extremely beautiful women. It's

just like like I'm selling the sunset. They look they look so incredible. I'm like, I can't believe it. And also I'm just always like, did they sell one house this whole season? No, that's the really crazy thing. Did they sell a house at all in the most recent sies. I don't think they've ever sold that. I don't trust. I think Chrischelle, Like people were talking about Chrischelle in the last couple of months because it did come out that she has only sold six houses the entire time

she's been on the show or something like that. Okay, also not real, but those are major houses. It's not good it. Maybe yeah, but if he's commission is three hundred grand and she's selling one, everyone, yeah, she's okay. She's getting paid for the shows too. But I feel like there are there are other people at Oppenheim who like, do sell like six a quarter, like you know, ten of years. I'm making that up, maybe, but I'm now remembering two other words that they're allowed to say, which

is maya. Our friend's studio always does an impression of Maya, and her impression of Maya is just Jas. The least thing Jas Maya moved back to miamis I'm so sad she like moved away. She's not going to be on the show. Why would you do that? I don't know. I don't know. She's leaving a massive career. People are moving to Miami. Florida's growing. No that I understand that, I really understand the movie. I was in Miami recently. I was like, this is like a drug. I bet

you go off in Miami. Huh. I mean no, I haven't been there that much, but I was just on South Beach and I was like, it's like because also I'm coming from La where they're like, let's go to the beach and then you like sit, You're like on the beach, it's like a mile deep and the wind is like blasting you and it's like sixty five and then they're like, let's get in the water and it's literally like thirty degree, like the Pacific is whole year round.

And then you go to Miami and it's like small, cute, beautiful beaches, palm trees, warm water, and let's just say it here right now, water so clear you can see to the bottom. Everybody, everybody got him. And I know that we don't celebrate Will Smith, but he had a point when he said that party in the city where the heat is on all night, on the beach of the break of dawn? Like what that song is formative for me for sure. Remember when Will Smith's music was

just huge. I remember that album was that Willennium? Is that what it's called a millennium? I think that was the only big one. There is there another one that I'm missing. That's the one that I like, go back. No, you're forgetting just the two of us, and you're also forgetting there was never a song that was more important to dance contests and dance routines that children would make than Wild Wild West by Will Smith. Whenever I get

I'd get together with all my girls. I'm talking about Megan, I'm talking about Carly, I'm talking about my sister Chelsea. I'm talking about these are the girls I would get together with and we would put on Wild Wild West, and there would be a choreo moment and you know, this move would be somehow in it, which I'm sort of doing the last So that would we're doing the

last so yeah. And also there's the moment where they go like one, two, three and there's like a gunshot, Like certainly a lot of hip action there, like so much opportunity. Will Smith was huge for the dance contest. Cousin huge. Wait were you are just your relative constantly? You know what I've never shared Bowen. I don't think I've ever told you this, but I became actually very famous at a lake resort that my parents not even a lake resort. It was like it was called Woodblock Pines.

It was dangerously close to upstate in New York. It was in Pennsylvania. It's sort of like for very like middle class people, like you went like really entertaining, fun activities for the kids. You'd go for a week and you'd go with other families and they had a dance contest like as one of the activities. And I sounds

like the plot of Dirty Dancing. It's really similar to Dirty Dancing, especially because what ended up happening was I with my friends Christina and Meghan, we you were choreographed a dance to Larger than Life by the Backstreet Boys, and we became celebrities. So we called ourselves. I'm MCM, Matt, Christina Megan Wow, and name Meghan is really getting thrown around today. But it's powerful and there's an energy around it. But we were MCM and I was, of course the boy,

so I was like in the middle. This is like, you know, my hair was like looking ridiculous, and like I'm telling you, it had to look so gay too, It had to be so gay. But my parents and our family like friends were just so insupport because what they saw happened was a cultural reset at this lake place, and it was. It was a moment bone I've never told you that it changed to America. It changed America, and I can't believe I'm learning more things about you.

I have a question for both of you. Well, I have a question for Matt, which is would you say that as like when of your first moments of notoriety, maybe not fame, but like where people like looked at you, Well, was that the first taste? That's when you're new. I have to have more of them. You want to know what it was? It was two thousand and two. It was the same summer that American Idol was coming out, and I think I had been like m. I think my dick had probably moved for a boy, you know

what I mean. And I was like, I was getting the sense that something was different, and I was just like, hmm, maybe I'm maybe I'm a star. I think one possibility for my life is I could be a star. Actually, I was like, I think I'm interested in this possibility that I'm actually a star. The way that everyone's treating me to that makes you larger than life. That which, by the way, now when I hear it is a trigger, of course, But that was a moment for you, one

of the first ta yes. And I would imagine that we all, as little gay boys have had that yes, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. The first time a crowd like falls for you. I think it was four. I sang kocomo like at a talent show, and everyone thought it was incredible, and I was like, I am going to be a Yeah, this attention is what I needed from this day. Wow,

that is beautiful. Mine was like a Christian youth group camp with like all of literally the coolest Asian people in Denver, and we went up to the mountains and it was skit night. Skit night. For some reason, somewhat someone wrote into something into a skit that you know was a contem took place in the modern day in the President. I remember if it was my idea or

someone else's idea, it was me. It was me. I walked out it was a restaurant, and then I walked out as a waiter as Austin Powers, and I did an Austin Powers impression, and I just I said, like, yeah, baby, I think I even said I didn't say horny, but I said like, do I make you Randy? Baby? And that was like it destroyed, it destroyed, and I and like, if I had said Horney, it would have been too scandalous.

But it was like a bunch of thirteen year olds who fucking flipped out that I did Austin Powers so well. And then I was like a king the rest of that trip. Wow, Yeah, it launched you. I can see it so clearly in my mind's eye, you as a baby saying do I make you Horney? Baby? And like going for it? And I'm telling you you should bring that on to Saturday Night Life. You should use Austin Powers. That I think Austin Powers would be a really good

character for you. That I agree, definitely, you know what's funny though, is if you if you go watch those well I don't know if you go watch like a video of them, but I feel like if we saw you doing that Bone or you doing that Matt, it would still hit because when I know something is good, they're not kidding, They're like, wait, that's fucking funny, you know what I mean? Yeah, well say something. I'm you're being disrespectful. It wasn't funny. It was really good dancing.

I was disrespectful, you know what I mean? Like you said you think it was funny. Honestly though, all I wish and I don't wish this, but it wouldn't it be wonderful to have had it documented? And how stupid that it wasn't, like, come on, parents, Where was Richie and Trina with the goddamn camera? Like? Get Because I will say, there's nothing more humiliating than like And this

has happened to me recently as well. Not recently, but it's happened to me in my life, where like they dig up like the old videos from way back, and it's just you earnestly performing or singing. A video of me singing, ain't no mountain high enough I want, but if it ever came out, I'd be ruined. It's it's not right. Yeah, I bet it's really good. Yeah. Wait, Brian, where did you grow up? I grew up in the super World, Tennessee's right. Where did you guys go at

your Long Island met and you in Colorado? Yeah? Wait? Where in Colorado? Aurora? Where? Okay, there have been many shooting? Is that is that close to Glenwood Springs? Have you been there? Um? It is not? Hold on, let me, I gotta do a quickly it is. Let's find out. No, Glenwood Springs is. Yes, it is up in the mountains. Um, it's past aspen Um west. If you if you were to keep driving west to Utah, that's where here parts of Colorado were like hot. Yeah, I was in Denver.

I've been in Denver a couple of times recently. Wait, but there's also this thing when you go to you have you spent time in Denver? Yeah? Yeah, it's like a suburb of Denver. But yes, yes, oh oh okay. Um, there's this thing when you go to Denver and you're like, I'm gonna go skiing and then you like, you know, book a spot at brecon Ridge or something or one of the skiers and then you can do that drive in and it is the most bumper to bumper traffic

for like eight hours. Oh yeah, it's it gets so clogged up that you're like, oh, I should have just stayed in the small town. Like it's it's not it's not so accessible to get in and out of the skiers. Do we think we can do anything about that? Or yeah? I think I think there are flights direct flights, not direct flights, but you could connect it from Denver to brecon Ridge or I mean you can fly into these I think there's there's a very small, tiny tiny plane.

Would listen, people have done it. People do it all the time there, but we didn't go until like we just couldn't afford it until like I was in college, and then I didn't start doing that. Are you good at king? No, I'm okay at it. Your skier, Yeah, I'm okay at it. I would say I'm intermediate. Like if I get on a black Diamond, I could figure I can shut up. I just ski I skied in the No. No, no, but I would not be good. No. No No, I know what you're saying. I know exactly

what you mean. You so you actually can navigate a black diamond like you can really very poorly. No, I mean I would not I wouldn't die, but I would go down in a way that most people would think was funny. And people would also be like, get out of my way. I think the same. But I was just in the French French, No, the Swiss Alps actually, and I did. I did ski over by the matter work and it was really cool. Wow. I got on

a slope. I got on a slope that was way too intense, and I was I was sort of stopped on and I was saying to the sky like should I do this or should I walk back up? And he was like, you're in it, now go for it, and so I did and I was like, oh my god, look I'm doing it. And then I did like hit something and took a really intense tumble in the like landed floor. Yeah. I was wearing a helmet. It was yeah, yeah, yeah,

it was really cool. It was like the mountains are so high that you're you're actually skiing above the clouds, like you're on these mountains. Then you see the clouds like down below because you're so high open. Wait, that's incredible. Wow. I think like skiing as a concept appeals to me, but I really feel like it's kind of like if you decided now like to pick up a guitar and

learn it, It's like I don't think I could. It's like when you try to learn a new language but you're too old or something like it's something that I just missed the boat on it, And it's like that with skiing. It's like that you've never got it once. Man, I've never ever once. I actually disagree, and I think you could pick it. I think you could pick it up.

I really did. It's easier than snowboarding to learn, which which is really weird to me, like that does not compute in my brain that like seld be easier than snowboarding. But then I guess, I guess it makes sense. But also it was funny too, because when I was a little kid, like all the video games I play were all like intense, like the snowboarding video games, Like do you remember like SSX Tricky. I loosed to love that ship. You had the hots for Simon? You always talk about Simon.

Oh my god, Yes, I did have the hots for Simon. Like that thing, that very very visceral thing of really wanting to fuck a video game character. Yeah, yeah, and that happens. Yeah, I've had that a lot in my life. I mean yeah, a lot of them were beautiful professional athletes turned into video game characters. Was this a this was a real person or he was just a video game? He was compute? Was computer animated and play at the

character in a snowboarding video game. And I don't remember voiced him, but I do remember that one of the characters was voiced by Macy Gray, who oh my god. I remember thinking that was so fucking cool, like that Macy, like that Macy Gray song was so big when we were growing song Dominated Dominated. It is such a good song. Anytime it came on the radio, you would free. I know sometimes I look back and I'm just like things would take over in such a massive way that it's

like what takes over like that? And everything moves like it feels like a little bit faster now, you know, Like when when All Star by Smashed Mouth was out, it was like you would hear it a hundred times a day for like a year and a half or something. It was like, yeah, so crazy longer than that, it seems. Yeah, yeah, it was like a decades long affair. That sounds cool, But I think it's especially meaningful now if something really hits, because it's people really making a choice to go and

then like see it here and engage with it. So I feel like not to bring it back to Megan, but like Megan like was a really special thing. I think for like these times where it's like, oh, everyone's talking about this one thing at the same time and that never happened anymore, I agree that was that was part of what was so cool about it was like, oh, it sort of felt like the movies are back. It was like whoa, people are going to the theater over and over again to see this movie and it just yeah,

it's such a good movie. It's so it's so like self aware, it's so like, well, it knows its own joke. But then it also just has a really good plot. And I think what was so cool about Megan too was like everybody, everybody was obsessed with the ad campaign and it was it was really well done. But then I think everybody expected the movie to be bad, and then the fact that the movie was just super entertaining and well made, and I think it was just shocked people.

It was a really great movie, you know, and so it was sort of one two hit, but you're right, it was. It was cool because it was like, oh, I don't remember the last time there's been sort of a cultural moment, you know, around a movie like this. It was cool. Yeah. Well, speaking of projects, just before we get into Don't Think, somebody, tell us a little

bit about the Effect show. What can you say? So I was, I can't share a lot, but what I what I can say is are the facts, which is, um, it is an amazing project I'm extremely excited about with FX. We shot the pilot already and um now we are in the process of writing some more of it and it's all very sighting and it's all looking really great. Has been great to work with. The cast is awesome and that I believe is all I should say right now. But yeah, it's really cool and exciting and that's what

I'm here in New York working on. So it's like it's been such a dream comes true. And like I was saying before, I got tired of the city a little bit, it's so cool to be like brought to New York. You know, it feels very fancy, you know, because New York, New York when you're like, like I struggle. I was a young struggling actor in LA in a way that I do not envy people that had to do that in New York. I feel like it's easier

to do that in LA. But but coming to New York with a job and you know, is like it just feels very like, oh my god, I'm just you get sort of dropped into being this this cool city person, except I don't you don't know where any of the parks are, and I don't really know what Upstate is. But I'm telling you you never have to go to Central Park. Oh my god, what is this campaign? I love that that you're sort of the rep for like

anti Central Park sentiment. Look, you went out to Upstate New York and you got nature, and you're fine, Okay, yeah no. But because that's the other thing. It's like Central Park is so big and beautiful, but it also it's like actually in the center of this so there's like city on all sides. So I'm looking, I'm looking

for fresh air. And if there's city all around it, how how fresh can the air be I. I don't know when you actually find out just how fake the park is, Like so fakes are fake, like none of it's real, you know what I'm saying. It's like so fake. There's this park in Atlanta, Piedmont Park, that's also very beautiful, and it was designed by the same guy who designed

Central Park. And I remember somebody telling you that Frederick law Olmstead or something, right, But that when somebody told me that, that was the first time I realized that parks are even designed. Because I was so buff into the fact that they were. I thought I was just like in the forest, but it was not even once forest. It's fake and it's they put it wasn't before it used to be skyscraper. It was naturally occurring skyscrapers. No, I think it was literally like Grassland. I think, I

don't think it's a fake as bad as thing. But no Prospect Park in Brooklyn. Prospect Parks in Brooklyn, that's that's another Homestead park, like really beautiful. And you love Fort Green, you love mccare and a lot of fun, cute, beautiful people go, I don't know what, How how long are you gonna be in the city for I'm here for quite a while. I'm here until the end of April, so like another month in a week, okay, great and

a warm up. It'll be it'll be great. That's so cool too, because I feel like people obviously know you was an amazing performer, but I feel like you wrote Caleb Gallo right, yeah, obviously it's so well written. Thank you so mumuch singular singular honey, Yeah, I know it's it's it's interesting doing that in a official traditional yeah,

and an official mapacity. Yeah. But it's been really I there's this great guy working on the show with us, Paul Sims, who's such a genius, and he he did Atlanta with Donald Glover and he does going to do in the Shadows, and he's such a he's such a wonderful guide for sort of the parts of it that are new to me. And he's been he's been such a blessing. It's really great. Well, good for you and good for us. And the writers in the writer's room are so great and everyone is so great. Yeah. I

can tell it's gonna be great. You deserve it. I honestly like, if there's anyone who deserves it's you, We're proud of you, were happy for you, get you so much. This is the moment where we're gonna segue into I Don't Think So, Honey, which is really our big segment. Bou I would say, I'd call it the big segment.

It's the big one. I'm gonna get it. Get my phone, Okay, that's going to be important because the reason why Bowen needs to get a phone, this is sort of a peak behind the curtain readers, is because we put one minute on the clock and we rail against something in culture that needs to be absolutely dragged. I feel like I have something. It's I don't want to target a specific person at the Adel concert last night, but I'm gonna I'm going to, oh, are you gonna specifically target

someone this week? Not somebody the adult concert, it's someone specifically, and I haven't done that in a while, but yeah, got it. Okay, So this person is gonna be um. She represents something bigger. And I also just want to say before I do this that I also saw another concert which I immediately texted Bone about, which is Chapel Rone. Fucking get on board everyone, this girl is going to be a huge, huge, huge star Okay, now I'm reading

She's incredible. Yeah, it's garma. Listen. Is a legendary, powerful song that will be remembered and standing this ass of time. Okay, this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so honeys, time starts now, I don't think so honey. You shush people singing along with the adult concert. I have news for you. You were in Las Vegas, Nevada. We're singing along like, I don't think so honey. If you don't think, no

that please. It is the wild West in Las Vegas, Nevada, which is a rural culture of real vulture number seventy, And that means I'm singing you know what. Here's here's what you have to do at a show like Adele. Let us sing the verses. Let us sing the first chorus and then the rest of the choruses are ours and also iconic moments in certain verses that we all know, you know what I mean, Like we all know like what we're singing along too, and what we're not. No

one was being disrespectful. There was one woman who sort of tossed a glance over to me and my friends, and it was I didn't even make an issue of it because I was too in my moment, in my feelings. But don't be shushing me. At Adele concert, we're all here. We can hear her very well. You can deal with me for one second. We're having a cathartic experience. It

is open sobbing season. I don't think so the openly sobbing community is also the openly singing community at Adele weekends with all which, by the way, I think, is like I'm almost over, so you can't even go. Even if you wanted to go and you listen to this, you can't. You can't go. But other people it's like the whole crowd was singing along. It was a very communal, cathartic experience and we were and there's just there. There

was one woman. I think I don't even remember what song it was, but I was like it might have even it wasn't anything up tempo, because like, no one was being that ridiculous. But I think there was one ballot where it's just like someone maybe just jumped in or chimed in on one thing and you got a dirty look. It's like not here, this is this is a place of good energy and we're supporting each other and we're actually holding hands. Do not look at me

when I sing along with a doubt. It's just futile, futile. And at that point it's like what do you do? There's no point. And someone got in the DMS and they were like, how do we feel about everyone's singing along? And like you can't even hear her? And I didn't even respond because I was like, how do I feel about it? I'm participating some wait, what do you mean? Somebody got in the d somebody got in there. I posted it. I thought there was like some like some

public DMS or something. I literally was. I thought there was a discord. I didn't know where thems like I posted. I think it was her doing. Maybe it was Hello, just because it was the first number, and I posted it and yes, everyone was singing along. And someone said to me, so, how do we feel about everyone's singing along? And I'm like, uh wait, it's because there was just that thing that went viral of somebody singing. Did you guys see this? I think it was either Billy Eilish

or Taylor Swift. But there's something that's going viral right now on Twitter and I think that's why it's that somebody is filming a concert and then you can hear the person right next to the the person who's filming singing over it, very loudly and badly. But the differences, I'm

sure you were singing very well. I can't confirm our deny that I was just as big of a star last night as I was when I was a little kid in that stage, absolutely slaying larger than life Coreo, I can't confirm her, Jenny, but a summer camp performance, the fucking what was the other one? I want it that way or in that same Backstreet Boy's moment, And I bet you were incredible. I bet you were incredible. Like I'm thinking about you doing that, and I'm like,

I know it was stern. I think the differences. I think it was lip sinking. You were really singing right, No dancing, you guys were also, I can't actually see this is this is a thing like, and I'm talking to all my girls out there who are maybe still doing dance contests and dance routines. You really have to get on the same page with your girls about like whether or not you're lip syncing the song or not, because I think that I was sort of the stand in for like lead singer, being the boy out of

the three of us. Like that, I think I may have been lip syncing, which also had to have been humiliating. And I don't think the girls were lip singing, but I can't I can't be sure. So you sort of inadvertently turn them into your knack up dance. Yeah, I mean, like, I wait, can we talk about quickly how Backstreet Boys really gave us, like just a small enough trapdoor for like closeted boys in that time to like, right do something.

We're able to channel something a little bit a little gay, but palatable and appealing enough to like everybody, you are hitting on something so deep. We have to be thankful for the Backstreet Boys. We really do you have like a good detective nose for these sort of gay No one has an amazing nose for gay. I didn't pick up on the gay sun and all about my mother, and I didn't pick up on the fact that Backstreet Boys they really they were offering something to us as

gay kids. Well, as soon as you said it, yeah, it was the metrosexual era, we forget it. That was such a big moment, which, by the way, is such a humiliating thing that was so widely accepted the idea of the metrosexual, like, how dare these people actually use

their bus for sex? But we love when they and we love and respect and understand that they want to do their hair like it's like that era of sexual shame, But pride and appearance was intrinsically tied to that musical moment that ripe time in the culture in the late nineties early aughts, where it was you know, Clay Aken, Ryan Seacrest, like men who absolutely love vagina. They wanted

they want to talk about it all night. Wait, wait, question, did you do you guys think of Backstreet Boys as having been way bigger than in Sync or do you think of them as exactly the same favorable or do you think of in Sync is bigger? I feel like n Sync got bigger once they hit their peak. I remember Backstreet Boys coming first, and I remember I remember they were like the moment and then in stinc was like sort of the Christina Aguilera, if you will, they

really were the Christi Pepsi. There's always the Pepsi. There's always Pepsi's coach number eight. There's always wait, but was did Brittany do the amazing pepsi outer or did you do the amazing And I believe Christina was diet coke or coke like like they so transparently like the other one like and but this is a world where like so, I think it was different because Backstreet Boys was first, and then instinct came along and I think kind of

took over. And this will be a world where Christina Aguilera had come along after Brittany and taken over, which is, of course the world we don't live in. Boone Yang, you're ready to tell you? I don't think so, honey, Yeah, I'm ready. Okay, Well that's good. This is bone yangs. I don't think so, honey. It's time starts now. I don't think so, honey, Lar step Pippin maybe soon to be Lar step Pippin Jordan. Your behavior at the reunion for the Real Houses in Miami is truly beyond the pale.

How about dare you tell doctor Nicole that being an annesthseologist is not a real job. Sure, like anesthesiologists get like shout on within the medical community, but like the only people you have to thank are doctors. Larsa, the only people you have to thank are doctors and basketball players. You cannot come after this woman for like working in a hospital and then literally like fucking her career up potentially by saying that she's fucked every doctor in the hospital.

And I part of me is like, oh, I actually, it's refreshing that Larsa's is sort of like flipping occupational stigma on its head, like, let's time we've given doctors some guff or something. Second, but it is revolutionary for her as an only fans foot model to like really come after her. But it's not, it's not the move. Larsa is fully an idiot by the end of the

whole reunion, and that is one minute. And I'm so happy you brought it up because watching Larsa Pippen, who's famously and only fans foot moodels, say to a medical doctor that she actually a real job was one of the craziest things I've ever seen. And Brian, if you're going to get into a house, it has to be real houseivees of Miami, and Miami has of course come up on the episode prior, but they have a real Housewives franchise in that city. That is doing, as they say,

what the other girls were supposed to have done. It is high art. This reunion is unhinged. To say nothing of Adriana's behavior, that is so crazy, to say nothing of Alexia. It is her saying to Lisa Hagstein that her husband would have stayed with her if she thought she was a star. If you believe you were a star, you had more confidence. If she had more confidence. Yea, she is wild. I said, she's Teresa Judais with more words per minute, which is not good. But I have

no notes. This is the best television that is on and I implore just as we did several years ago. But with Potomac, we told everyone, don't sleep on Potomac. Do not be sleeping on the Real House of Miami. It is high art. Brian, if you like Selling Sunset, what seasons should you start on? You can start on four. Yeah, you can start on four, but selling. If you like Selling Sunset, you will love Miami. And you can start on four because that's when they rebooted it on Peacock,

so you can watch it on Peacock. Oh, okay, Peacock. Yeah, we're the biggest supporters of Peacock that are out there, like we can ironically talk about Peacock constantly. Megan is also on Peacock. It's not a mistake. And you know what else is on peacock, Tar Tar, Yes, Hun Tar is streaming now because nothing says Peacock like Lydia Tar. I will say it's rule culture number one. Tar now on pea Peacock. Thank you, Donna Langley ahead of head of Universal. Sorry, go ahead, you guys don't know the

people that run that Lydia Tar Twitter account. You it's so, but I want to find them so I can vote for them for president of the United States. No, it's very funny. She's always tweeting shit like looking for looking for a new young female assistant, like looking to to help someone. It's new to the industry, Lydia Tar, and it's such an icon. She's an icon. I did think she was real the whole movie. I know everyone had confusion about this. I know I was. I was in

the same club. It's something about how specific the movie is, where you go, oh, well, this is probably a somewhat fictionalized but I bet this is really based on somebody real, which maybe is kind of true, but it's there's parts of the the movie where you're like, wait, this has to be historical, this has to be a person. It's just not. I love how she drives that cream colored corn Berlin, And it's the way Kate perform right, the way Kate

performance that makes you think it's a biopic. It's giving, it's giving biopic acting. Yeah, it will Alwait, Lydia Tar, you will always be famous and you will always be real. You always you can always be real, and you'll always have existed. Yeah, you all have existed. Okay, so this is sort of the when, to quote Ariana Grande, Brian, you do your I don't think so, honey, Are you ready for this? I am ready. I'm hoping I have them. I'm hoping to have a minute's worth it. Okay, I

think you do. This is Brian Jordan Alvarez's I don't think so. Any time starts now, Okay, I don't think so, honey. These fake TikTok pranks that are so obviously fake and everybody is laughing at them like they're real. And then my boyfriend shows me these like and I go and I just there's just something subtle going on in them, where like you can tell, like, even if that prank had been real, the way the person's reacting, they're definitely acting the way would act if they knew it's acting.

Even if it's good acting, you can tell if it's acting. And then my boyfriend, who I love obviously, will show them to me and I'll go, that's fake, and he'll go he cares if it's fake. It's funny, And I'm like, who doesn't care if it's fake? This is only funny because it's supposed to be not fake. This is supposed to be a fictional narrative video. Then I'm gonna be laughing at different things that this is supposed to be documentary. Yes, and I'm suppo be laughing at the reality of this

and this is not real, So I care. I don't think so hunt period. That was excellent. I'm free, You're you're really right? Isn't that so true? Though? Has anybody ever done that where they're where they're like, well, who cares if it's fake? And it's like, what do you mean make a difference? Yeah? Different? Wasn't there a kid who like covered his whole kitchen and peanut butter or something like every break, every like every cupboard door, the fridge,

that fake shit off my timeline. It's also not a prank. That's just a mess. It's not a prank. I know that. I know. The expression prank these days is so loose. It's like, no, I think you just hit someone. Actually I don't think that was a right you you just assault. It's just physical violence. Yeah, that's just cruelty that you post it. Yeah. I feel like pranks, pranks have like lifted off of April Fools, Like no one really gives a shit of April Fools anymore, but they're like proliferated

through apols. It's fallen off for sure. Maybe it's like there's a gen z affinity to it because I guess like Jim would do it on the office a lot with like prank Dwight or whatever the fuck, And so now these kids are like, oh, pranks are the highest form of art and comedy. Let's do it on TikTok. Literally, it's just because it's a light lift and you can literally just post it. It's like what people who are

obsessed with fails, you know what I mean? Like, and that always like drove me nuts, Like I can't sit through fails. I can't sit through like when oh, here's a video of someone get this getting really hurt. I can't do it. Here's a video of someone's skateboarding and what happened to them? They probably should be dead? Do you want to watch it again? Like, no, I don't know. I know. Yeah, it doesn't Yeah, it never. It never makes me laugh, yeah, because you're just like, are they dead?

Like what happened? Like what's the conclusion of this film? You know? Are they right? And then the thing is you don't want to answer to that question sometimes, you know what I'm saying. It's just like because sometimes like sometimes get this, like you put the phone down and said, haha, that was funny. Mama's dead, you know what I mean? Dad, Wait, Matt. On the subject of falling though, you should learn to ski. Yeah, I think it would kind of be a chic look

for me to picture it is. It's such a chic you feel so cool. Yeah, when you don't. I have yet to go to a gay ski week, but I think that's gonna be the high. Apparently there's one happening right now. Right. They have them all the time, I mean, okay, all the time. It's it's endless. No, I mean they have different cities. Is there is there one nearby? It's like mammoth SI, I believe, And like tons of gays are not like in LA because they're all skiing. And I was like huh. I was like, what, oh wait,

are you guys in LA. No, you're in LA. I'm in Los Angeles, California. Did you move it? Yeah, you don't have to reveal that to No. I'm open about the fact that I moved to LA four about five years ago. And I actually I just just got another place in New York. So I'm gonna be Bicoastal. I'm gonna I'm gonna live in New York City and Los Angeles, California. Yeah. No, it's exciting. It's good. I'm excited about it. The new Era, a New Chapters is still owner. It's him. Did you

hear my voice? Just dude, like a Tyrondosaurus Racks. You were screaming at Adele last night. Hold on one last thing. If I were to watch if I were to watch Tar, it doesn't make a difference to me if Tar is real or fake. Oh my god. That is the one exception. Wow, you have an amazing nose bow. Wow. No, it's an amazing nose. Thank you. Now. Was anything gay happening in Tar? Is the question? One hundred? No, I don't think I

watched that movie, and I had not. I feel like it is possible to watch that movie and not maybe not pick up all the fact she's a lesbian. What I watch? That's because he could have just been like her good sins. So the film's about her her friends or was Yeah, listening with them and my voice is literally telling me it's time to rap because I'm a rap. Um. Wait, Brian, this was so fun, and thank you so much for doing I love you, Thank you so much for you so much, and you got to come back. Yeah, I

would love. So three of us have to get together and be stupid in person. Go to park. Can't wait, Let's go to a park. Let's go to Prospect Park. Stream Megan on Peacock but not before Tar and we and oh god, but and I'm dying. We end every episode with a song. Okay, so dude, digget tiget. I don't don't look back now, do you do? The end? It's so iconic, so take it. I'm not really voting. I'm not really enunciating the word. What is it? What do you sounded like? Adele? You have an amazing nose,

an amazing voice, amazing nose, amazing voice. Thank you for listening to this episode of Ictusis with Me, Rogers and boll And Yang. It just won the Best Podcast award at the iHeart Radio Podcast Awards and we are the best podcast in the world. Thank you so much. Critical Acclaim award winning feels incredible. Seven years in the game, finally you were an award winning podcast. Is none better. Sorry everyone, Bye bye.