"I Don't Give a Rip!" (w/ Amber Ruffin)

Something is shifting with the polls. Something's going on with the polls. And well, oh my god, I just said polls. And the trigger word that polls is sorry not to take a hard ride into hell. But but that's the way I felt when I said, that's hell and we're going there. Okay, speaking of absolutely in hell, Nicole on this woman is that she's in hell. I mean, I'm doing Her husband is a killer, I know it, or maybe her son for that matter, some someone in her

life is an absolute killer. And maybe it's Lili Rabe is the killer. I think, well, you know that's pronounced lily Rob. Lily Rob is the killer. Broccoli like broccoli Rob. That's actually a real culture. It's it's a Real Culture number fifty What but I forget nine. I was going to say literally sister life hashtag. Um wait, so it's it's Real fifty nine. It's Lily Rocco rob spelt like rape. And then I tell you this is this is my uncle.

This is my blind spot is that this is my first encounter with Lily Robin, like like a meaningful cultural setting is she Where where else would I have known her from? She's sort of been like the white lady on all Ryan Murphy shows, you know what I mean, Like our guest is giving us a look, she's gonna look it up. She's gonna look it up. Um okay, So literally the hi junks that are going on I'm doing We'll have to talk more about it next week. But can we also talk about the hi junks on Potomac?

We can talk about the hijinks on Potomac. Absolutely. Look, I'm on no one's side. I think I'm on no one's sign anymore. Um except for I mean, the only person who's just like hanging back is Robin. No. But even Robin is no. Robin is not hanging back, and she doesn't hang back because Robin is Giselle light and that's actually seventy robin robin light not including Karen in the photos, really really mean, unnecessary trick and noticed that

Karen was completely unbothered about it. And when she said thank you next and threw that hat on the floor, I said, you better create that meme. Oh my god, she didn't. I think there's a reason. Why was this the first season in a while where Karen was at the center in the in the title card, in the tableau. No, I think she and Giselle are pretty much the stars of the show, but I don't know for sure. I let it hit me this episode. I was like, you

know what, she was the star of the season. I know the whole I know, the whole season sort of centers around like the inflection point is the barn the wine barn fight. But Karen comes out looking the most pristine. But you're saying you're not even on her side after this, she's so Switzerland. Yeah, it's like it's a little weird. But the fact, here's here's my take on the whole thing.

Was Monique wrong for literally dragging Candice, Yes, Candice filing charges and saying she wants to pursue to the full extent of the loss. She wants Monique in prison. This woman has children, like, come on, they had a moment in a wine bar, and who of us hasn't Who of us hasn't had a moment in a wine bar? Really, we shouldn't go to jail for it at the end of the day. Candice Dillard Bassett supports the Car's Real stage.

I'm so sorry to say this, and I said it, and I have as an NBC employee, I feel like I have something to lose by saying that. You know, the housewives are all over the streaming platform Peacock and we love Peacock. And you want to know something, I sprung for the premium no ads subscription because you know what, I want to watch Peacock, no ads, no nothing. I just want to watch, you know, uninterrupted raw Peacock raw. You just wanted. He wanted to deliver its right to you.

You know, I feel like my one little quibble with Peacock, And as an NBC employee, how dare you say quibble again? Another trigger word for me after the fall of Quimby Wow, I'm being try left and right boles. Quibbles go on though we're just owned by these entertainment companies, some more than others. The Apple TV remote, I mean, maybe this is maybe this is on the Apple TV remote, but the response her talking about her, she's holding it up the Apple TV remote all over the damn place on Peacock.

Oh yeah, I don't know. I think it's both hardware and software issue where they're not talking to each other, they're both acting crazy. I find the Apple Remote to be very overly sensitive. You feel this way, so so I feel this way. But then the peacock if you scrub across the bar so exponentially said, like the two sort of like enable each other to be very sensitive. Right. And you know, I've been watching some old Dirty Rock episodes and I and I'll jump from one like you

like you do. It'll go from act one into the damn tag after I just you know, oh that's filthy. Can't have that. But here's the thing, because I know what's going to happen with you Bowen, and I'm holding myself back. We'll say you know who's on Peacock, and then we'll transition into the guests. But before we do that, I just want to address a really important item of business. Yes, do you want to take this opportunity to apologize to

Doja Cat. Absolutely, I apologize to Doja Cat for riling up her base, although the stand culture around Dojakat is fucking wild and I will not ever apologize to those people. Does that make sense. I'm separating the artist from this standum, which is different from art from the artist. At this point, I'm coupling the art with the artist, Okay, And for sure, I'm really interested in I'm really interested in everything you're saying. But also I'm very interested in the two gallons of

water that our guests just took to the head. Yes, hydration. Having worked with our guests and very briefly, I feel like I've seen her with She's a very hydrated person. I love that. I think it's so important to be hydrated. Babe, I don't do it in the I don't, Babe, I don't. I don't stay hydrated. If you stay hydrated, you don't need to get hydrated. And that's my Real Housewives tagline, and no one knows why because you you you have a plumbing empire. Wait, just kidding, do you actually know

my real tagline? I know you're no, no, no, never remind me, remind me. Sorry, it's this. I'm a triple threat. I'm coming to your house, I'm sucking your husband, and I'm eating your snacks. So you know what Peacock reminds me of. Peacock reminds me of our guests. Our frankly is the star of Peacock. Quite frankly, Look, I mean, I feel like you go to Peacock and the thing that draws you in is that our guests beaming face. You're not going for season two of Housewives of Dallas.

I'll tell you that you're going for the very much on right now Amber Ruffin Show, or the Amber Ruffin Show as stylized capitalized first letter in every word of that. Now. I don't mean to sort of give away the guest identity, because you know we love to keep that on lock. But b before we sort of bring the guests into much pomp and circumstances, great fanfare, as they would sort

of if she were part of the royal family. Um, just describe sort of the guy impact on the culture, what other credits the guests impact on the culture is truly huge, a truly huge. You know her to write her on Late Night with Seth Myers as a as an iconic narrator on drunk History Right on Detroit Ter's Luck Lady Sketch Show saved Hello, Robin, she don't listen to this, Robin will listen to us. I asked her to come on. She was like, everyone asked me to

come on their podcast. I'm like, you're coming on my podcast. Look, she might Robin, she might do it. She might do it, don't I'll text her. She's a good text her. We're not we're not we're not talking about we're not talking about, but we're not talking about her. Robin did recently tag on to Our Guests Show. She she's a quick little greeting at the end of an episode of Our Guest Show, and we love that, and also we love that this actually reminds me about our guest iconic Watch What Happens

Live Bartender. Oh yes, the poses. She was on the episode with Issa and the aforementioned Robin. But listen, I feel like we've I feel I feel we've we've talked just too much and we need to bring the guests in because it's just too exciting. It's just too exciting. We're so excited to have her. We love her so much, every welcome ever. It's such a moment. It's such a Herra moment. Do you have any thoughts to contribute to the Undoing? To Potomac, I saw you nodding very very enthusiastically.

My husband and I are watching the undoing. We call it the undoing undoing, and I do think the little baby did it. It's crazy that that's where we're at. Since the beginning, my husband she said no right now. Ever since the beginning, my husband said, um that Nicole Kimman did it. But I will tell you this, after two episodes ago, I think my husband and I get really really close to each other's face and we go I create mock. That's what I do know is killing it.

I love that lady she is and let me tell you, she is taking it the most seriously like you need to. And Nicole too. They're taking it so seriously. And meanwhile, the it's a drag show and that's what you like it. It's a drag event like drag Race is not on. So we have undoing. The waits, the coats at all, the courtroom scenes are chaos. Everything is so big. Any one of those people could be on a comedy and you'd be like, yeah, it's big if it if it

had the thirty rock soundtrack, it would just be thirty. Yes. It was like, there's Nicole, like, I'm telling you the finale is going to be the equivalent of a death drop. It is gonna be. But you think the sun. You think the sun. As a result of the sort of reveal, thought the sun for quite some time. My husband holds fast on the wife. I think that. Oh boy, sorry, I've been saying it's the kid all along, Little Noah, you think that's it's as simple as spoiler alert, y'all.

The murder weapon has been found by Nicole in the little boy's violin case, and you think it's that simple he did it? Well, no, we're on the fiftieth episode. Somebody better do something. It's the baby. It's time I've had it. Or the husband just hit her once with a hammer, he sucked her, hit her once you put it down. She's kind of fine, and the wife shows up. She picked up him and she hit her again. Okay, now she's hurting. Okay, man, the little boy came and

you finished her off. The orient Express moment where where everyone's killer body killed her a little bit. That theory so to be so because you know, if well, I'll say this, if they cut to one more shot out of nowhere of her smushed head, I know too much, too damn much amount s gratuitous and talk about because you just took his leg. Talk about your hydration situation. Hi, I like to drink out of a giant jug of water at all times. At work it's a smaller jug

of water. At home it's one of these big things. And I like to pretend that I am a bodybuilder because they have to drink a gallon of water day something like that. Absolutely, I'm a real strong guy. You're a real strong guy. Why is it different at work then at home or is it sort of like at home there's no rules for you. You set your own rules, so you can drink as as big a jug as you like. Yes, at home, I'm not worried about looking like a fool. So at work they have that super cold,

really nice water. You gotta put it in your little coopy thing. I do that. You're talking about the Saratoga What are you talking about the Saratoga Springs water? No, no, no no, no, you're just talking about the water that comes out of the fountains, that machine thing I got you, Yes, yes, yes, I love Bowing and his brand name water. Then d n C fool You are centrists, you really are. Crist and I work in the same on the same floor. Yeah, yeah, do you ever run into one another or or sort

of the pandemic making that crazy? No, we were. We've had a couple runnings this year. Really, yes, and now we took over NBC Sports. They'll never come back NBC Sports. They shouldn't be in dirty records. They have no business there. There's like you in that entire office all of the time. Now it's full of folks. It is a bangamin, I have enough people, you do? Is it on Is it on eight B eighth floor. Yeah, it's in between Seth Meyers and NBC Sports, So that should be all Seth

Myers and Ruff and show. Anyway, you're coming in hot with this. I hope NBC Sports withers and dies. I am not saying that they I hope they die. I'm saying, ain't nobody ever in that building they all work at. There's a Connecticut office, so it comes down here. They live in Connecticut. There's the thing. I can people come now here anyway? That's not nice. God, you're right, thank you for clarifying. Thank you. Okay, I wish you can run into you guys in the hallway. Maybe one of

these days I'll get a job as a janitor. This is the ultimate hallway running. So I have a question sort of because it's such a wacky floor. You know, everyone everyone there is so wacky, do sketch variety, etcetera. Um, is there sort of pranks going on? Like is there the old banana peel slip? Like? So I'm sort of I'm sort of curious, like the sort of wacky antics that happens. Yeah. Yeah, especially now with the pandemic, it's

like the stakes are even higher. So like sometimes I'll pick up a handful of almonds from one crafty table and then sort of sprinkle it on the sub myer's crafty table. No, now you have HEPSI like that kind of prank, Yeah, because I thought it was going to be COVID, but it's hepsy. No. That's that's the big switch. That's the sort of what they call the bait and switch. You understand. I have to say your show is really

fucking good Amber. It is so so funny, it's so smart, it's so saying it, you know what I mean, like what I appreciate about it. But when and I were talking about it the other day, like it's really just it's it's not just like a show that like pass perspective. It's a show that has perspective and it's saying what

it is. And you know, we're in this We're in a sort of era right now where I'm just gonna say, you know, there's a lot of late night shows that are pretty toothless and this is just like and you've got incredible writers. I mean, we know all of them, but we love it. It's so good. Thank you. It's very very very fun. I mean, nuts, it looks fun by myself. Ain't nobody even here. I'm having I'm making you and Terek. Me and Terek are a party and have always been and there, but there are no writers.

Jenny doesn't come. And then we've got Dwayne Perkin Sintia Jackson and they're in l A. Oh my gosh, they truly are. DEMI was dancing on cars in l A and became like a little meme. Did you see him? Yes, Mariah Carry retweeted it. I could see that because they did All I Want for Christmas. Yes, okay, Demi is absolutely iconic. Demi I just want to say, is is a queen of the Straits and he reigns as on early gay as because he won my show Game Show

on quimby Plug. Also has like really like fun queer adjacent taste to like he likes, he likes the stuff that you would think is just for the gays, but he has such a broad sort of palette for that kind of thing. Yeah, you can't threaten Demi's masculinity. He doesn't rip feels like doing. I love it. You filled that room with queers and queer adjacent's. I mean, yeah, that's Jantira and Dewayne. And as we've said, Demi, Demi is basically as an honorary he is the Queen of

the Straits. We have had Dwayne on and Dwayne's culture that made him say culture was for him was the Power Rangers, and we realized that this is actually a very gay thing. Oh yeah, love for the Power Rangers. Like to sort of announce your you know what I mean, Like I'm a color now, I'm a color you know what I mean, Like that's very like sort of gay. I love it. I love it, And so I did watch that movie. Yeah, I love action movie. I don't care what it is. I don't care. I'm watching it.

Did you blow something up? I mean, the highlight of the year is usually when that big old action movie comes out. You can even see me buying a ticket to a Transformer. Yeah, oh I'll go. I'll very much go. Yeah, definitely, I want to say it. I'm playing the Spider Man game right now, and it's just so fun because it's a movie that you get to sort of like control. Isn't that cool? And yeah, it's such so fun. It does sounds and it does sound so fun. I want

to get back to this because Matt. Matt put out something very interesting saying, a lot of these late night shows are toothless. We're not going to name names, but I feel like I feel like you are. You are aware of this, Amber because I think you've said in interview, is that like other late night shows seem to just replay what's happened in some way, And I don't think you're You're not even like playing clips of like a

press conference or anything. You're just I mean the things that punch the most, that hit the hardest, or like things where you're just addressing the camera and it feels very set too. Yeah, I want to talk about who said what crazy thing? I want to call the crazy thing they said crazy, And then I want to say it made me feel bad? Yeah, and no one is doing that. They can't say this made me feel bad.

But you're not of this marginalized group, are you? Sod so like, and I think it's healthy, and I think it's good for us to be like, I feel like ship because this guy in charge doesn't think anything of me, Like, I think it's okay to say that for sure. And then and then on the flip side, it's like when the race was called, Like the whole episode after that way is just you guys just being so joyful about

it and and be like we're so happy. But then like we're really seeing other late night shows do that, is it? Because and like maybe it is because you know, the white dudes who are like are able to be passively observing of what's going on and be like, oh cool, like this is what happened today and we're not gonna layer on top any sort of commentary. I think that

that is absolutely true. I also think that people like I'm just starting to get hate, and I think those people receive hate twenty four seven their whole careers and have for years and years, and they're a little bit sensitive to it. But I don't. I haven't had enough hate for it to color what I choose to say and not say. I was like, let's dance is great.

I don't give a rip. I don't give a rip might be from I also think there might be something too when I, like I was watching and I was just like, yeah, like we're just like jumping in with this is garbage, and like you don't And I love when you said, like you don't have to accept this, Like you don't have to like like make room for these people that have believed in and supported this harmful, toxic,

racist fill in the blank words here, um. And I also think I was wondering to myself, like I wonder if there's just something to the fact that a lot of these white dudes who have been on the air for years and years are just like too desensitized to what's happening to be able to call this out anymore, Like it's like they have to do these shows, many of them every day, every weekday to be fair, um, and they they just can't really like just all of a sudden jump in with like wait wait wait, no,

this is insane because they have to like keep up this decorum or they just actually aren't able to process the immediacy of what's happening because they're not starting like right now like you, and they also and have your perspective. Yeah, and I think there's a lot of I think that's true, and I think a certain behavior is expected of them. I think they're a lot of times, they're expected to take the high road. They are under the thumb of the network a lot of times, whereas no one cares

what I do or say. Is that true? Do they are? They kind of just like, do you well because I got the show after saying all kinds of crazy stuff. I think that was what they wanted. And I like to say that so I get to really, I really get to go in on it. They looked at the menu and said, we're ordering ember Ruffian for the entree. They went to Peacock Restaurant and they got the special.

They got the special. All oh, yikes, yeah. I am waiting for them to be like, you can't be acting like this, but I did say all the less was what I said, and I'm not saying burn it all down. Yea, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we'll see if I ever get in trouble, if I do, maybe text us you should text us. I'll text you the line text us text us every day

with an update whether they've said it or not. And also, okay, can I also say one of my favorite bits that you did, because it really not to say I was triggered again, but when you did your bid on PT cruisers, I was like, it's true, this car is crazy, and I have to come out as being someone who, as a little boy collected little collectible cruisers I had, like Bernie, I don't know. I just thought they were like a cute I am without answers, I'm w a without answers.

But when you were in the PC Cruiser content, I was like, you're right, this carse crazy. I think that was your sensing that this shouldn't be and then you like that, yeah, like this isn't right. Like if a bear could fly, you'd be like, I'm obsessed with this bear because it's really able to fly. I guess pet Cruiser, as far as automobiles go, is kind of a queer car because it's like it's it's like there's something there's something different about this. It's like it's it's it's sort

of personality first. Personality first. Yeah, it's sort of got its own vibe. And the personality is um, goofa loofa. I was gonna say, I was, I feel like there's something hostile about PT cruisers. It's like they're like no, no, I feel like remember those Scion the Scion cars. Exactly what it makes me think of, Yes Scion, the Kia Soul. Yes, T Cruiser seemed like aggressive to me, whereas the Scions

were like harmless and like quirky. I don't know, that's just maybe the word cruiser was going along way with me. I was like, of course it's a car cruiser, you know what I mean? Like that that to me making a lot of sense. I just I just said the sentence that to me make a lot of sense. To make a lot of sense. That to me make a lot of sense to make a lot of sense. Um. So you're having a blast doing the show. It's the best.

It's so much fun. I do keep looking to like ask for permission, you know, or to like find out if this is okay, And I'm like, oh, I have to stop doing this, this this, Yeah, I have to kill this instinct in me because it's like no one, no one else would do that. I guess not no one else. But it's like that's not necessarily a part of um the the the power breakdown of places like that, right well, because it's the Amber Reference Show, would I say, go,

it's hard to get used to that. I loved the bit about the names, like when the when the when the conservatives can't say the fucking names, and you were like, this is the Mber Reference Show, don't forget it. I just like that. I was like, I was absolutely so. When you are like doing the show and there's no audience right now, obviously because of the pandemic, I would imagine that there was the idea of having an audience, and guess I would imagine or was it always going

to be no guests? Because I have to say, I love that you have. Oh good, there's never going to be any guests? Was never going to be any guess we were always our goal was always to make a variety show and then call it a late night show. Do a little monologue, yeah, and then just do a bunch of sketches. Yes, No, I love that, And I genuinely feel like not to say while Bowen Yang is here, um, where are the sketch shows? But I wish I wish that there were more of what I mean like because

like I just like I love that. I never really know where it's going to go because it feels it feels brand new, Like everything you're doing feels brand new in the way that I I'm drying. It should feel brand old. It ain't none but a variety show. And yeah, there's like a novelty to it. You know it. We are little showman, me and Terek, and we love we will we will get crazy presentational on a person. We love it well it And this is when I guess

we talked about the vocals. Girl, you got them, and I don't think that we didn't notice that you got these vocals. And we are noticing the breath control because some of these because let me say, some of these notes are in the basement and you are keep finding them with precision. People have known you've seen her play a damn mermaid on seth meyers and literally give you operatic ship. But the general audience is now finding the vocal. Yes, that's true. You guys are really spoiling me. I can

sing just fine. I think it's I don't give a fart because I'm singing this song. You live this, Sing this song. It cannot be stabbed stapped, singing it no matter what. And sometimes it'll sound. I think they feel unrehearsed and slightly sloppy, and that is because I I am not very concerned sound. You know, Hey, I'm getting the point across. I'm having a good time. Chick. Who cares? I feel they don't they. I don't think they sound unrehearsed at all. I think they sound fun and like

if they are happening because of joy. Like for example, you can I ask you a question, are you a story pirate? Yes? I knew it. I knew you had story part energy because I was like because they always say, and this doesn't apply to you, because you actually can sing, but in story parts, they say, it's not because we're both story parts and like, um, they say, it's not about how much you can sing, it's about how much

you want to sing. And that's why I always feel like it's the spirit of I'm singing this because it should be sung. I feel pressed into the music, you know what I mean that at Boom Chicago, we would always have to do um musical improv and our director would say, technically, these people paid money to hear you sing, and buddy, if I don't carry that every day about to sing a stock, I'm like, people paid money for this dollars. And you tell the readers about what Boom

Chicago is. Boom Chicago is a second city esque theater located in Amsterdam. Um they come to America and they audition in l A, Chicago, and New York and they take a couple of actors every year and you do home shows at the theater and you also do corporate shows all over the world. And it's mostly short form improv and it's a lot of sketch writing and stuff, and it is the hardest, craziest job in the entire world. It's the best. It's like comedy basic training. And I

did it with Terek Davis, with Terrick Davis. There was a whole piece in it that there was a whole piece on it that came out today in New York Magazine about it just being this like comedy factory that like is sort of has sort of just been like underground even still like culturally, like people think I was Second City UCB. And by the way, I just I should just really quickly point out that Amber, I think has checked so many of these like comedy group boxes.

I feel like you got a second city. You did Second City in Denver, which I want to talk to you about as a Denver as a Denver former Denver resident, and then uh and then Boom Chicago and then like story pirates, like I feel like this is this all sort of fits into the narrative of Amber ruffin show Person and so anyway, um okay, Boom Chicago, like talk about the crazy cultural things you would probably have to

deal with living in freaking Amsterdam. Amsterdam was the best because like I have a lot of friends who and there aren't a lot of people like this in comedy who like we'll be like, oh, what a dumb shirt, you know, like people like that who just don't have a filter, and we'll do say the thing and that's every Dutch person. They don't um in that article, I think it's Seth who said as no Dutch person has ever left out of politeness. They don't. They don't have that.

They don't do that, just like I loved that, because you don't have to, and because I spent so many years in Amsterdam, I don't have like. Socially, I think I'm a little behind because I spent so much time. You know how people like try to dress up the fact that what you just did was bad. Whatever. People do that to me. I don't. I don't know that that's what they're doing. And I think, oh, man, I'm the ship. Look at out nice. This person is giving

me the honest truth. Yes, yes, Also I like that though, because why why waste energy not saying what you feel? Say it. You can hurt my feelings. You have a you have a show, you can feelings. I'm good for life. I'm a black life in America. Watched me drink out of a gallon jug of water. So how long did you do Boom? I did Boom for two years and then I did it later for three years. That I did Second City Dinverse, Second City Chicago, and then I

went back to Boom Chicago for three years. This is I mean this is like a true I don't know, like I think I think you. I think it's like someone who's been a completist, completionist or whatever in terms of like coming up in comedy with like groups of people, which I think, like that's the thing that bums me out in some ways about like people coming up now, especially with pandemic going on, It's like, oh, like you're not.

There's just a fewer chances to get together with like sometimes strangers and like doing some shared comedy goal together. You know, I don't know how they are surviving it would have been. So I think about that now because this has been this is a probably going to ultimately be like a two year period that's been at least

different than it would have been. And I just think, like I think about when we were coming up and everything, and Bowen, I can pretty confidently say that like if there was no live performance, well, well we have done. You know, Like I just it's so crazy. But people are being crafty. There's a lot of people on the TikTok. It's true. It's true. And I'm and I'm watching the TikTok folks, and I'm like, oh my god, this is incredible. They're doing good work. Talk about Denver. What was your

Denver experience? Like city never was the best time and we I had. I was at Boom Chicago and I called Second City and I asked for a job ah, and they said, yes, you can have a job like a City Denver. So then I moved from Amsterdam to Denver and we took um whatever the Chicago main stage show was at that time, we took that to Denver. Then they were like, if this goes well, we can write and then we will be Second City Denver and we'll write Denver's own show. So we went there. It

did well, and then we wrote our own show. So the theater we were at was that Downtown Theater complex in Denver. We were one of those U D t Andy they We did that show and at first it was just people who knew what Second City was, but then it was people who had subscribed to that theater complex, so it was all people who want to see cats and Forever plaid and stuff. So they came to see

our show and they felt differently about it. I think really then people who knew what Second City was, you know, this was like the oldest people I've ever seen in my life to watch a Second City show. I was like, Oh, this isn't right. So then yeah, what year was this? This had to be two thousand and six or seven? Okay, wow, because I was because then that must have meant Bowen was a junior in high school and maybe he would have moseyed on over and I but like, for some

reason it was hard to get tickets. Though. I remember like Second City being in Denver and then everyone being like and then at least like people like my little nerdy high school group was like, oh, I wish we could go see Second City, but um, for some reason that that wasn't available to us, and I maybe I'm like just at the beginning we were hot ship and then when they opened it up to subscribers, it was something different. Um, the Denverse are the Performing Arts Yeah,

d DP something, d p C A whatever. Um yeah, it's this huge, giant like yeah complex that has like four different theaters and then one you can see like um like I guess, I guess like in recent years, like a Shenyan performance, and then another and another stage you could see like a Return of the Phantom, like the Phantom of the Operas sequel and then like yeah it was. It was just this crazy Frankenstein's Monster kind

of a building. Um. But then would you ever go see like, um, the Impulse Theater at Winning Cooper or anything like these other little shows. Yes, we saw to the two improv groups and one was really nice and really fun and I and one we're, um, just fucking pieces of shit. And these motherfucker's came to see the show and we're like, oh, the entire show you they We're mad that we were there. And then like at the in the at the end song of the show,

they like clapped off beat. We're like, why the hate? Why did you come here to hate us to our faces? Also the show is over, Where are you okay? Theater work? You're not that man? Stay here. Let me have a word. I have no idea which theater is the theater, but like what a shitty thing for improv. That's not what improv is. No, And it's like weird scarcity, like bullshit. Like I guess at the time to where improv was

like relatively popping, I guess, I don't know. Like I felt like such hot ship being fifteen years old and going downtown to the Bovine Metropolis Theater and doing shows when on all these thirty year olds being like, who the hell are these teenagers? Those are the good people, Those are the good people. Okay, so thesee so then Impulse Theater must have been the shitty people. And that kind of tracks just because at the time I was

a high school student. My calculus teacher was also my theory of knowledge teacher for IB he was also my improv coach because he was the assistant director of the Impulse Theater. He was a great he's great. I love him. Adrian and I still keep in touch to this day. But it seems like so many of the actors at that theater were toxic, crazy people. Because I had a friend Laura Lockwood, who was like cast in that theater

and was coming home. We're just they're just like telling me horror stories about how like so many of the especially like the women, this is all this is all just caddy and toxic and mean, and I don't I have no reason to like uncover any of this for you guys or for the listeners. But I was just like, oh my god, I guess people in improv are just like really really mean and not nice, so that it just colored my perception of comedy communities for years and

years and years. That's why I love Chicago. Those people are untouchable. There is no like ego because you're in Chicago, because you're you're doing it because you think it's the most fun and it is the most fun. While we're sort of existing in the past, I think we should ask the question now, this is the central question of lost culturies. Thus it is the question that really all the guests get asked, and all the guests except Margaret chill because we got too scared. Now we're going to

ask you the question. Now. The question, Amber is what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? So this is the defining, definitive pop culture in your life or culture around you that now that you look back at your life, Ember Ruffin's life that is, you're kind of like, oh, that made me me In a way, I think what made me me was the culture of io mm hmmm, improv where it was just we are out all night long. First of all, it was an intern there and it was the most fun. And then

we go there, it's it's six pm show start. We go there, we sit there until one am, and we drink all night and we laugh and then eventually someone kicks us out and we go to someone else's house and we laugh all night. That was I was like, Oh, I can do this for forever, and I almost did. Yeah, we we sort of had an experience like that with UCB. That was kind of that was kind of our version of that. But Chicago does it differently. What is that? Yeah,

this is the doorbell. That's my doorbell. It is my doorbell. This is how Hollywood my building is. The doorbell is Leve Rose. I don't know what that is, but we're gonna We're just gonna wait. Um, it's Edith singing. And it was like I like that, and now I gotta say I hate it. Well, it's just like too long. It's like a whole thing. Yeah, talk about what I'll

be right back. Go go, go go. I feel like this is a Chicago specific thing in not even just the comedy culture there, but it's like, oh, it's a vibe for people to just drink all night at one place and stay there for the entire night, for the whole night, we shut it down. I don't think I've ever really done that. In New York. I don't think I've ever done that in New York City, or I know, I'm just I feel like such a square. Matt just got a beautifully wrap to give. What is Well, it's

a present from Hulu The Happiest Season. Oh my god, it's from the hulaa original film, The Happiest Season, starring Christian's Stewarts, written by Mary Holland. We absolutely stamn. How where do you get on that list? Um, because neither of us are on it. Well, listen, I'm sure you guys could get a damn box from any anyone you wanted to. You network stars, We'll see, we'll see. Okay, fill me in. What were we dadding about? I just commented on the fact that, and then I had a

sad admission. But I was like, it's a Chicago specific thing, not even just in the comedy culture there, but it's a Chicago specific thing to like drink all night, stay in one place, and then shut it down. But I because because I'm like, I don't think I ever really

did that in New York. I've never drank more than when I was like coming up in comedy needing to hang out, like there was times when back back when I was doing like four or five shows a week, it was like normal for me to have three drinks at because they give you the two the two tickets usually when you're doing the show, so you use both of those and that This is like, you know, my

early mid twenties. So I was like still like probably I like I p A S. So you're drinking like heavier things and then you're your past doubt, maybe you go somewhere else you get another drink after. Oh yeah, that was the heaviest drinking of my life, was being in those spaces. But but but it's a Chicago thing to like maybe it's because of the weather. I don't know. But people they're just like gather will they gather and they all stay in one I don't think that's I

don't think that happens in New York. Sorry, I didn't know about going let's have a drink here and then go to the Why would we do that? Drinks here are free? Why? But it's only because of being at theaters and stuff. If I had to pay, i'd run around to Yeah. We talk about IO being like specifically eye opening for you. IO was like this very cool like there was a group of improvisers who were just like the coolest people on the planet, you know, the

cool guys. Yeah yeah, And I just thought, oh man, I'll never be as cool as the cool guys. And it was like the like high school but fun and like also the cool guys weren't really aware that they were the cool guys. They were having fun and you were allowed to have fun with them. And there was no like, I'm sure people were shitty to people, yeah yeah, but no one was shitty to me. People were like, hey, you come and play this game with us or whatever.

And it was just so insufferable. There was no way you could have been there and and not been an improviser. You would have punched everyone in the mouth because it was all like, let's play would you rather, uh, let's play a murder and all these doofy improv games. We loved so much. I I can't believe we spent so many years doing the same thing. It's like a decade I spent playing games with people. This is Chicago. This is pre pre Boom Chicagoom Chicago that I owned. Yeah,

because I ended up back in Chicago. I did everything twice. When did you. And that's really how you master. You gotta do it all twice. Um, when did you move to New York? Was it when you got work or did you move to New York? And then the work began? The great work began, as they say in Angels, I moved to New York. Okay, So I I grew up in Omaha, Nebraska, and then I moved to Chicago to learn how to improvise, and then I got boom Chicago in Amsterdam. After Amsterdam, I called Denver and I lived

in Denver. After Denver, I got main stage in Chicago, so I lived in Chicago. After that, I went back to Amsterdam and then moved to l A to make it so l A and it was just I didn't make ship, and uh, I mean it was fun because I became a story pirate UM and I did a lot of theater. There was so much theater to do in l A. And that was the ship. And I was a part of this theater. This is so not where you asked me, but here we are. Um. I was a part of this theater called Um Sacred Fools Theater.

And what we did was we it was like a theater of writers and so all the shows at that theater, someone wrote it, your little friend wrote it. And then they would do this thing called serial Killers where five shows enter it, three shows leave. So you write ten minutes and you do it, and then that Saturday you find out if you write the next ten minutes and then if you play yes, play right, survivor fastly to say that, And it was the most fun we did. Me and my friend Lauren did um. King of Kong

the musical. Do you know the documentary King of Kong? I'm more familiar with King Kong. You creature of film and television, You guys. King of Kong the documentary is about two It's the easily the best documentary ever, easily. It's two men. One is inherently evil, like a real life evil guy, and he looks at and he talks it's crazy. And then one guy is like so kind and sweet and he's scared and he doesn't think you

could do it. It's like you cast it. So it's just a documentary about these guys and they're vying to see who can get the top arcade score in donkey, Oh God, I've heard of this. I thought that the making of King Kong or whatever. No, it's this video game thing. Oh I love that. That is great? And can you give a spoiler? It just good triump over Evil? Or should everyone just watch you cannot? Don't google it, you have to just watch it. Okay, it's so many feelings.

It's more feelings than you would think. It's just one movie. It's a serious Thank god. This was back in the day where things were just one movie. Now you have these things. They're eight nine episodes. You know that you don't just have one movie anymore? Undoing? Is I'm undone watching all these It's sick. I'm noting. The Vow could have been a commercial girl. I mean the way that the Vow was a cult in and of itself. Watching

it really proved a lot. There's such a weird men of narrative around it now that where it's like, oh, well, um seduced, is that what it is? The other one? That one's the one you should actually watch. It's like, well, no, I already like gave away all my brain cells to this other, to the first one. Unlike the Fire documentaries, which were great, they were both great. Both they got

to the point this Vow crap. I'm sorry. It was so like if the three of us went to the mall and had the best time, but also at the mall um was a performance of BTS. That's the documentary show the performance exactly when we were trying on hats. You have to leave that out. That can't be part of the documentary. We need to be asking the person at the sunglass hot where the bathroom was. But it was so funny. He did an accent. It made me laugh so hard. But we need we need to cut

it because I couldn't agree with you more. I couldn't have cared less by the time it was over, and I was like, I know I should be caring the whole people came and went that nothing happened to Yeah, I was like, one of these motherfucker's better die because taking up a lot of my time. You know, when I'm on the couch saying one of these real people need to die for my narrative enjoyment. Honey, you got a documentary issue. You gotta doc issue. I mean, look, ultimately,

there is a full last second. That's the biggest crime of all. That's the mystery I want solved, is what the fuck The biggest crime is that they got the biggest crime relative to everything else that has happened around that calt And I'm just kidding. No, it's crazy. We're going to jail for a hundred forty years for even bringing it up again. I just gotta. I just that's what's in the They said. It's a jail sentence from the happiest season. They're saying, Oh my god, wait, you guys,

that's a chicly wrapped box. Actually really is? I mean, so, here's a question for you guys for the holiday season. Gift trapping skills. Do you have them? Do you have them? As they said on Guts, are you good gift trappers? I gotta google at how to video every December one. I got to look up a video every single year. Oh. I love gift wrapping and I am maybe not good at it, but I absolutely love doing it. You are good at it. Though you're not good at it. I

don't think you're bad at things. What are you bad? To see the back of my head right now, you'd be like, oh, the front looks like you did your hair, but the back, I don't think you did a very good job. And I don't think anyone does the back of their hair. But you're so good at at us we would never know that. So that's good. Okay, but if something happens behind me, I just have to let it happen. I can't turn around. I'm bad at math science remembering some details about Okay, you know what I

never can do. Whenever I'm on a date. I never remember where the person is from. It's hard. It's a hard thing to store. And you're you're saying, like second date, like they've told you in the past, it doesn't really matter, like the thing is. I like, I'm just bad at retaining some of Like I just realized this about myself because I went on a date which now is not going to happen in Los Angeles because they're shutting it all down. But um, I was like afterwards, I was like, Okay,

personal flaw. I am not good at, like, um retaining information about someone's um up Like of course, one of the questions you ask is gonna be where are you from? And then I realized that I'm not good at keeping that information. Jobs. I'll keep your friends, I'll keep like, but you're like basic upbringing. For some reason, I never remember it. Hmmm, what does that mean what does that say about you? I don't know. Maybe it just means I'm obsessed with my own past. I'm not I have

I also have a horrible memory. It's very bad. Is it bad? Short term is because of all that time in Denver weed at itt do you mean Amsterdam? And I don't like you don't like weed? You lived in Amsterdam? You don't like marijuana? No, but I like to eat. She's a drink you like? You like e So you like you were a little raver a little bit. We had like probably three times a year where we'd be like, hey,

we get to do eat. Yeah, that's actually a very fun so fun do it in Amsterdam too, because then you know the guy who cooked it, and then all your friends have already taken, so it doesn't feel like scary. It feels fine. Yeah, I mean, so that's like the difference in the drug culture there anyway, It's like, oh, it's not a hole to do, it's just they're what we have on our hands. Here is an upper, not

a downer. And yeah, that's that's wonderful. Sometimes I feel like uppers for me make me a full crazy person because I'm already naturally out of ten um, and I feel I need a downer to sort of get myself down to a like socially acceptable seven point five. That's all four, let's get to fourteen. We are an absolute

after all. Um. But yeah, I mean, listen, I just want to go to I just want to go to Amsterdam now to one like responsibly do drugs, and two to like eat the Reichstaffel, the reichstatful stuff, the Indonesian like Dutch fusion. Have you ever been bowing? Tamp Sterdam? We did a date. This is this is the twisted thing. Can't we hear the sick story? This is the story. We went to Europe after I graduated college. My sister

planned the whole trip. She did a great job. The one the one flaw on that trip planning was we stayed for a knight in Brussels, where there's literally three things to see, and then for whatever reason, on the second day, we took a train to do a day trip in Amsterdam and we're only there for like twelve hours. You got to stay there. When I went to Europe, we stayed in Amsterdam and that was the move. And we made a stop in Brussels and made a stop in Bruges, and our our stupid thing was we only

had three hours in Paris. We were driving from Amsterdam to Paris. Aren't gonna like tag the Eiffel Tower and come back. It was like like it was a child's game. And we were there just long enough in Paris to be like sort of chastised by a waitress and feel very hot, and like I was like, oh, Paris reminds me of New York City and I don't like it. We gotta get out of here. Paris is the funnest, but they don't care for you. No, they don't want to be given you ship or talking to or helping

you in any way. And it's like in Amsterdam you can like start speaking English and they're like cool, yeah, well we us two girls. And then in Paris they're like, no, no, bitch, you come here and we're not gonna cater to your dumb ass, your dumb American ass. And then you're kind of just like sitting there with the men. You like, all I want is soup and they're like, well, learn the word for soup. Yeah, it's pretty bad. I loved Paris. I've got to Paris once. Maybe I've been through through

two or three times. And when my girlfriend and I first got to Paris, a man, we first of all, we got off the plane and the t s A guys were like, oh, look, oh you are so like so hitting on us so fucking hard. And we laughed and left. We loved it. And then we went to wherever we were staying and we were like, okay, let's go get into some trouble. And when we left the hotel, first of all, every guy we saw I was like,

oh baby, and we were like, it's real. So then we go and we see a tall, skinny, gray haired man in a pinstriped suit with a pencil mustache with curls on the end, a pink ascot and he was walking his fluffy, fluffy poodle and we laughed so fucking hard. We were like, this is what you think of when you think of Barris. You're doing it, You're doing the thing, and that's how you met your husband, who's in the room with you. Now. My husband went to go get

sprite and vodka. Oh that's gonna be a fun Monday night. Yeah, vodka and sprite, come on, and he's oh, he's back with the vodka. And the spracket. He's back with the van ste himself some food. But what's most important is vodka. Do you drink of vodka sprite? I will drink of vodka sprite. Usually I drink um paloma. That's usually what I drink. But I've had too many palomas today in

front of you this whole time. Yeah, yeah, you know, whenever I see a bowl full of limes, I'm taking back to my youth on Long Island when we would make what's called the gin bucket. It's really exactly what it sounds like. You feel a bucket full of gin. You put some seven up in there, and you cut up some limes, and then you get a turkey baster, get some and you squirt in each other's mouth. It

does exactly what you think it's going to do. Because can I tell you guys something, and this is a secret. Gin is sin That's true. I'm concerned about the basis. Like you said something, sit up straight, I'm shaking my shoulders because gin will make you sinful. And I actually, I actually just got a whole bunch of gin, and I feel that I'm That's what I'm missing, you know,

I'm missing going out and having some chin. That's another thing about drinking throughout your twenties, says you discover gin and it's sort of keep gets your gets your frisky. You know what I mean? Everyone has their danger alcohol bow and what's your danger alcohol? My danger alcohol is this. I sound like a Damn Gray's Anatomy character, but it's tequila. And I sound like Meredith Gray herself, but it's tequila. Do an impression of Meredith Gray being like, don't don't

have I can't drink tequila. It's the tequila. She's always like, it's men in tequila, it's or whatever, And then here's me at Sandro agreeing it's men in tequila. Well, this is this is such an inversion. Usually I'm the I'm the Christina to your Meredith and it's not racial. Well that's actually really you. You racialize that, and I'm really disappointed. I have to be baby No what your cab? Yeah, you're actually literally in CAREB. You're like, I'm Amber Roughan

and Creb's like, I'm carib Oh, I'm probably Izzy. I died. She actually is very much alive, and there's rumors that she'll return for this season. There is wait did you, do you guys really watch Crais' anatomy? We are wet wait a wait, So the answer to this is yes, but not currently. Do you watch it now? I watch

it now, I've always watched it. I am up to I Whenever I meet someone who's up to date on Gray's anatomy, I know they're like in a past life we were like, you know, twins because I feel sisterhood with everyone despite not being currently up to date with Gray's. I feel a sister hope with those that are. But do you know, I am on the cusp of like fully diving back in and I think. I think crazy is in the conversation in a huge way right now.

It always is. I've had but I haven't know, but I'm saying something is going on with like four different people texted me being like, hey, hey, so if I if I fell off of Grays after the plane crash, where should I start? And I'm like, I fell off before the plane crash, and I don't know what to tell you, but everyone there's like an ground I made it further than you. That's crazy, but there's a groundswell of people. It was the shooting after the plane crash.

The shooting was. Yeah, the shooting was the last draw for me. Actually, I love the shooting episode. Actually, it was well, it was very well written. The shooting episode was where I screamed and I screamed so loudly that my husband had to come see. He was like, I'm crap doubled over. It was so it was the best episode of television. And I wanted April Techner to die.

Are stupid guts? I was like I was, And she didn't even die, she just got She got to have more annoying moments in that episode when she was like, there's so much blood. You never think there's gonna be that much blood. And you know, even when you're a daughter and you know there's that much fun and you do work and you do you do, you go to school, and you know how much nd there is, but you never know there's gonna be that much fun. It's dead.

It's dead, and they're like that was really the monologue. Really, my god, I mean literally the way I want. Okay, So here's some t I got to audition for the New Shanda Show, which is an Annadelvi show. So she's doing an a show for Netflix, and I got the audition for it, I can say now because I almost definitely didn't get it. I haven't heard back, but it was truly pages and pages and pages of Shonda dialogue and I was like, oh my god, then I just

get to do this one time. And you know, the role was like a gay guy who's a stylist who knows it all, and I was like yes. I was like, oh my god, I got to say so much good, ridiculous like never ending Shanda stuff, and it was the highlight of my career as an actor. I was like, this is so good. And sometimes I just sometimes I'll just watch my own self tape. Oh, a startling admission. I love it because it's so delicious, Like it's so unhinged. Wait,

here's a good thing. What's all your favorite Shonda monologue? This is for Gray's anatomy scholars. This is huge. I think I know Bowen's I do you though, because I have one all time? Yours is definitely. Can I guess yours and you can guess mine? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yours. I'm gonna guess is gonna be Sandra? And it's it's not difficult, it's unbearable. That's not the one what and it's a Sandra one, but it's the one from will Never Again. I love that one, but it's actually that's yours.

That's that's a good choice. Number mine is from because I memorized this and I used it. I've never told this to anybody before. I memorized I memorize this one, and I used it as an audition monologue for my junior. Ye, no, I don't, I don't. I don't remember it anymore. But it's the one where the chief is questioning all the interns about who cut the al bad wire when it gets she goes and as he goes, I'm a pretty girl. Oh my god. She But we love crazy, We loved it.

But but Christina, Christina's was well how did it? How did it start? It's just like, how do you do it? Sir? Oh yeah, you're because I see you and you're like like that one and then like she's And then that was the first I think single tear drop where her face stays still but the tear just falls. Unbelievable, unbelievable. And now I'm realizing that, like all my favorites are not actually monologues, but they're sort of moments like I got his off head wire. I didn't. I didn't know

what to help Matt. I thought I was a surgeon, but I can't. I can't. I thought I was. I'm not. I mean, that's a pretty incredible one. That's a very good one. I like the one where um Sandra has to get out of her wedding dress. Were you guys watching that? Oh? We are, trust me. But Grey's Anatomy is huge for Bowen and I. We used to do we used to have a two man improv group called Gray's Anatomy Drag where which which we did I think three times because it was so bad and it was

it was terrible. We would get no laughs. There was a show that we did at the Duplex where it was a gay show for all people, and it was we were awful and we got no less. But we were full scrubs and I was Diusy and Bowen was Christina Young and we would just get a suggestion and we would do a scene that took place at Seattle Grace and it was horrible. It was horrible, terrible, but we did do it. The biggest boons in my life. No, no, no, Amber. It was such a true bomb in every sense anyway. Um,

but no, this is what I'm saying. Grace is coming back, and I feel like people like Amber have some high ground to be like I've been staying with it the whole time, but I think everyone is like, wait a minute, Grays has been such a constant throughout the years, and wouldn't it be so comforting to watch something like Grays? And I kind of feel that same way. It feels freaking great. And because everyone fell off, you can now pick up way a million years ago and it's uh,

it's quarantine. You have anything to do, sit down and watch a bunch of Grays. It feels great. You're talking to someone who watched thirty seasons of Survivor in the first month of the quarantine three dash zero. So yeah, there's nothing. There's not There's not much stopping me from plunking it down and watching all that. But wait, so what's your sort of read on what's happening now, which is like, there's a return of mc dreamy, Uh, Meredith is seeing him. I guess in like a COVID state,

what's happening? When you say it out loud, it sounds crazy, but that is what's happening. How can you stand to know what's happening without watching it? How are you going to watch it now that you know that I can? Yeah, I don't know, just because there's there's so many characters now that I'm like, who who is that? Like? And honestly, I'll tell you what, I am kind of a purist and like I don't know this is the word, like an originalist. Like and when they started, when they started, okay,

what is that Leah? Nothing? Shut up? I hate you anyway? Um so, so he doesn't hate I know, I love him more than life. I just don't like being compared to Scalia another trigger word. Um but anyway, um uh wait. Now, when they started to get rid of the original five, like when they killed George and Izzy like was literally dying of cancer and almost died, and then they ended up firing her, I was like, see, I feel my chain has been jerked too hard. And I was already

in a certain way with the show. And then they killed um miss Kyler, Lee, Lexi and um mixed team at the same time, and all of a sudden that I just felt like everyone was falling off in ways I no longer believed, and I feel that the sort of drama with a soap edge that it was in

the first few seasons became a full blown soap. And ordinarily I love that ship, but with this I was like, I missed, I miss my my people, like I didn't really wanted to turn into the er that it would just go on and on and on and on and on, and then it did. And so now I don't know who any of these young girls are on the show. Each of them is more special than the last, really perfect. Yes, I love them and you'll love them too. They're flawed. Oh my god. I want to ruin it, but I

can't have to. You can you can? You can? You can? I don't want to ruin it for you. Youwear to you. We're not going back, but and that's okay, and that's okay. No, I I'm considering it. But I still want Amber to tell us but he doesn't care. I don't want you to. I don't know, I don't know what. I don't care what. Okay, dear reader, plug your that When um uh, Derek's sister, who was one of the newer women, is this old this might be old Shepherd? When Amelia Shepherd had the baby.

Do you remember that Amelia Shepherd had a baby and the baby Amelia Shepherd is a brain surgeon, and her baby had no brain. She had to go donate his body, so she got to hold him for like ten minutes, and the baby went like this, Oh he was he was he was alive. He just he was alive with no brain. He was like so essentially it was just like a body with like blood coursing through its veins,

but it had no brain. And so I guess it would have been out of the question for any of the medical professionals in the year I'm gonna guess two thousand fifteen that this happened to sort of know beforehand that maybe he was not going to have a brain. I just I just feel like someone has to ask the hard questions. But I don't know if they bumped on that in the writer's room, like then who am I? But I mean to look at the baby, because it wasn't like he had an empty head. It was like

where the brain should be, there was nothing. There was nothing. So maybe they could have known this. So she probably felt like, well, we're not going to do the typical brain check. We do on any old baby, because I'm a brain surgeon. Of course my baby's gonna have a brain. Think of the big, beautiful one that I have. So this actually makes a lot of interesting sense, and that's actually pathos. That's what you want out. There was a

there was a so get this. In college when I was studying writing, we had to take a I was a didn't want you doing a dramatic writing and I was a television concentrate, so we had to do like a spec script in one hour drama, and I wrote a one and my class was insane because they were like, I'm doing a Breaking Bad like these twenty year olds, like I'm doing mad Men. I'm doing Breaking Bad like

all like shows. No one any business writing. And I was like, bitch, I'm doing a grays anatomy and a lion gets loose in Seattle Grace, and that's my episode. I'm writing a Sweeps episode where a lion eats let's say, Kepner, And that's going to be something I want to see because if it's just about the form, then we let's get goofy. That is that is the forum. Did you get a plus? I got an A plus plus plus plus and and a job said he's a genius and

they put me in Hollywood. No, but it's just so it's so funny what goes down, and I can't believe she's having COVID flashes of McK dreamy. That's so fun it was real. Like I sat down and be like, yay, Gray's Anatomy and escape. I was like, oh, I don't like this. I need this to be separate. Here's what I think. I think that whenever Gray's is going to end,

if it is this season, we need to know. We need to know in advanced because I would like to have an amy push for Ellen Pompeo for the last season because m Ellen does underrated work as Meredith Gray. And I've said it since the beginning. She makes it look super easy and she always has and she's so talented. She's such a good center of that show. And she said she's pretty much on the record saying she's never acting after this. She's going to just do more behind

the camera stuff. And so then give a career I mean nominator, because let's let's let's see her off because she has she makes that show and it's it's easy to say, like you know, the best part of Sandra or you know, the highlight of the show was like the busy of it all, like the elved wire, those iconic moments. Meredith has always been the glue. And it's like, basically say that because she is Gray of Grey's Anatomy.

But she she gets paid dust Ellen Pompeo. She really does, and she she doesn't literally not literally she gets paid millions. No, no no, no, she gets When I say she gets paid dust, I just mean like she does not get them. She doesn't. She needs her flowers. She needs her flowers. Um. The fact that Grace is still in the conversation as a network drama like in the year is remarkable, and we love that and we celebrate that, and we celebrate the Ember Ruffin show. Truly wonderful. I think it's time

to move on too. I don't think so. I think it actually is time to sort of, as they say, move on, and I'm putting move on in quotes is just sort of, you know, colloquialism for to continue. UM, so start going to sort of move on to the last section of the episode of Last Culture Reasons that we're currently recording with Amber Ruffin which um has a title. I believe we said, um, I don't give a rip and give a rep. Yeah, um, And that's I don't

think so, honey. So I don't thinking is our one minute segment sixty second Segmentum is another way you can say that, And it's where we take something in culture and we absolutely rant, rave, harass the topic because it deserves it. It really deserves it in many ways. And I don't think the money is in opposite of and I don't give a rip because I don't give rip. You're indifferent, but I don't think the honey, you are impassionately against something. Oh, you care very much. You care

very much, care very much. So I usually traditionally go first, but I want to say one thing before I go, which is it was almost I don't think so, honey, and it's it's ultimately not. But I do want to have said this. Yea, if you are not going home for Thanksgiving and Christmas, be nice to your parents on the phone. Don't be giving them the attitude you might historically be giving them, are classically be giving them on the phone because they're without their children this holiday season.

And so if you're usually the kind of person who was like my mom calling be fucking nice because your mom does not have their child this holiday season, and this is not my I don't think so, honey, but it nearly was. I have a much more important one.

But I just want to say that because I heard someone on the phone in passing the other day and I was like, how dare this person speak this way to their to their parents who's gonna be missing them as holiday and they're going to be thinking about a lot more than you because your parents love you anyway. So I just wanted to get that out there. It's true, it's true. Okay, Well, this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey, and I just want to hold on.

Before we start, I have to really sincerely apologize. I said the word impassionately earlier. I don't think that's the word. I think we forget it. I think we forget about it. But I just wanted to before we forget about it. I just wanted to apologize for it. Okay, Okay, all right, okay, yeah, this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so, honey. It's time starts now. I don't think so, honey. You're saying you want to fuck Steve CORNACKI. Let me tell you something, bitch.

You don't it's okay. You don't want to fuck Steve CORNACKI. You like Steve CORNACKI, you maybe even love Steve CORNACKI. You appreciate Steve CORNACKI, you think he's wonderful at his job. You want to fuck Steve CORNACKI, I don't think so, honey. If you do want to suck Steve CORNACKI, that's that's your business. I'm talking about the royal audience here, all of us saying we all want to suck Steve CORNICKI.

Leave that man alone, sexually objectifying him. He came in here in his cornaki khakis and did his thing on that board, and he didn't deserve to be objectified by all of y'all. He's so tired, he doesn't have the time, energy, space moment to deal with you and your bullshit. And you're tweeting about how you want to fuck this man. Leave him alone, let him do his thing, and actually let him rest. I don't think so, honey. And that's

one minute. You don't want to fuck Steve CORNACKI, And you're not impressing by anyone by saying you want you think it's impressed people to be like, I'm secretly sabio sexual. It's this sort of trademark Bowen Yang sensationalism. People sort of want to get online and stir the pot, so they say nasty things about Doja cat to sort of get the sort of you know, fire happening around them

and then say what me. But guess what, honey, it's not fine with me on this one on tonight, as they say not on tonight, it is not gonna work with me. You're saying you want to fuck Steve CORNACKI because guess what gays I say, who you follow on Instagram? And it's not Steve CORNACKI types okay, it's the same white Instaga with a shirt off being like might make bread tonight. It's not Steve CORNACKI man certainly with a doctorate, and if he doesn't, he has doctor energy and he

doesn't need to be part of your fucking mess. So you take it somewhere else. Has ended up being a two minute I don't think so, honey, because I see this Steve CORNACKI first ongoing leave him alone. He's almost certainly as children or he has the energy of having children, and he they don't want to hear about how you want to suck their father who simply wants to point to award and say the word Philadelphia and then some

facts about it. So leave him the goddamn alone. I'm through. Look, we should all be grateful that we know the nuances in the population of Maricopa County because of that man. And that's different than wanting to get carnal with them. Is so different, and it's actually culture number different, it's a real culture number. Knowing all about about Maricopa, Ricopa

County is different, different, so differ. So fuck fuck corn corn act, thank you, thank you, And so now it would be time, I guess for really bow and yangs I don't think so, honey, And we both sort of, you know, got a little saucy before our respective ones. And but this is the main event. Okay, So are you ready? Bow I think so bo schemo, bochemo. I'm ready because somebody people think that Bowen sort of lives

like this like extravagant lifestyle, being a huge celebrity. Basically just alright, and yeah, you're time, this is your I don't think your times now, I don't think so, honey? Why is everyone sleeping on Kim's Convenience? Okay, it is one of the most binge able shows that's out there, especially especially in Quarantina. It's so wonderful, such a wholesome family comedy, but that also has jokes, and for some reason lately that hasn't been that's been like a rarity.

It feels like it makes me feel like I'm watching like old of like family matters, but it's like, oh but wait, the cameras are nice and and it's all happening in different sets and and all this stuff. Why the reason why we're not all losing our minds over Kim's Convenience the way we do for other family sitcoms.

I'm gonna say is say that there's some there's some obvious reasons, and we'll leave it at that, but everyone get on board, like I'm so late to the damn party, like four years later, four seasons later, but look, I am loving it now and you should too, and you

will too. And that's one minute. So basically the thesis of Bowen's I Don't Think So Honey is I just discovered the show, but it's bad, but you haven't get discovered the show, so I have to say, um, I I kind of this is so characteristic of Bowen Yanks. I don't think so honey this He'll go fifty seconds and be crushing and then the last time he'll say, but also it's okay, it's all right, and I love you, and he sort of and then he says, I'm actually

the problem, and then it ends he's too sweet. That's my style. It's not that I'm sweet, Okay. I have to say, honestly, I do blame the mainstream media about this, but I didn't know what Kim's convenience was until very recently. And where where can I watch it? And where can the readers watch it? Bow and tell them all instead of just yelling. Season five is about to come out.

All the first four seasons are all in Netflix. Five. Yes, but okay, thirteen episodes of season twenty minutes, twenty minute episodes, so nice to watch. I'm not saying five like that's too much. I'm saying five, like why is it? Why aren't more people talking about It's obviously a successful sitcom and I've never even and then I did not just discover it. I just like gave it a rest, and like I was watching it like years ago, and I was like, Okay, this is something that we have to

like just like put off for later. But then like, damn, we're in second lockdown. So I'm just like, okay, let me find a show to walk and it's it's hitting the spot, so good. Love that. Love that? Okay, I think it's time for Amber Ruffan. I love that's time for Amber. I don't think so, honey. What did you not think you how to do one? I didn't think you are crazy? Okay, great, um, okay, listen, no, that's unacceptable. We are going to give you the moment you need

to think of one. I know you've got a head full of I don't think so, honey. She's a mass your improviser and writer. No matter what gear she ends up being in, she will succeed. So we got just getting I mean, it's getting on your damn nerves right now, anything at all, anything, anything, okay, anything, and we're gonna let Matt call the time and then don't don't tell us what it is until until we say it starts. Okay, okay, only one thing is getting on my nerves now, Alright, alright, good.

I want to know. It's not a good one. But these are my feelings, all right. We want your feelings, you want, you want? This is ef I don't think so, honey, and her time starts now. I realized this is un orthodox. But we've been in quarantine for months and months now, and I have to live in this house with all this fucking ship. I don't know, honey, everything of my goddamn ship like I want a kid anymore. I have like a real job and ship, but I do not have the time to be taking care of myself like

an adult. Everything in here is hot garbage. And yes, maybe it's because I've been looking at it for eight months straight, or maybe maybe it's maybe I'm a hundred percent right, because maybe my couch is being held up by a can of beans because everything in my house is fucking broken piece of ship. Look at Oh no, it's a can of a couch, because everything in this house a piece of ship. And that's one minute. Oh my god. Wait, I want to let the readers know

there's a serious, real can of beans holding up that couch. Girl. But Adam Savage of MythBusters made that can of beans for you. That's true. But I think that's a beautiful thing. Now though, because the couch has some personality, it also has like a lot of danger and several ways. Oh my gosh, wait, do you feel this way about my apartment? Doesn't everyone? Right now? I hated in here. I have to tell you. I I just ordered a bookcase. And here's the thing. You never think I'm gonna have to

put this together in any substantial way. They make you put all this ship together. And that's with what chaps my ass is like the the manual labor I have to do to make things. But see, that's the thing, and that's that's why ordinarily I would say to you, just order some new stuff, but then you gotta put it together. And well, so what do you do with the things you already have? Ambert? Did you reward yourself with like, oh my god, I have my own show gifts?

You get yourself nothing? I mean, my god, I think I respect that. I respect the hell out of you, even more than because I'm someone who just rewards myself with bullshit all the time. And then and then at one point in the summer, I had a damn TV up in my room. I have a TV my room and I have a gun ball machine. You guys are doing it right, But you need that, you need you need a thing. Look, I don't like stuff. Not I can't be having just stuff sitting in the house. I

don't like it. It's not it's not about stuff. It's about making a nice experience. Like I don't mean for this to be like a want, like a cure all for everybody. But would you consider having a TV in your bedroom? Do you have one? Already? There's a TV in there. I don't watch it. I feel like that it's fixed all my problems. See, you gotta watch the thing. That's the thing to get washed. The living room one gets watched. I can't because I gotta sleep when it's

time to sleep. That's right around enough. Already I'm not doing I'm not making good choices. So I can't start the habit of watching TV before bed, because then I'll go to bed even later than I do. I need an adult. Yeah, there's just so much. There's so much content to watch too. I mean, we talked about the undoing, and we we discussed Potomac in the beginning, and there's

just and of course there's the amber Ruffin Show. And what might have what might happen is if you put a TV up in your bedroom, you could be watching the Amber Ruffin Show. You don't even get any sleep, and and and and then then you're just like, what have I done? But the thing is you did something good because the Amber Ruffin Show is the best late night show out it's the best late night show out there. And how many more episodes we have this this this

limited season? This season there are two more episodes, so that means that means you readers, and then and then we'll hear we'll hear about more potentially then maybe we'll get renewed. We hope, so, we hope, so I will be so I will burn down. And you said, you said to wait, but this is what I'm waiting for. If I don't, if I don't get the result that I want out of the Ember uff and renewal for season two, I will burn it down. I will. Okay,

did you tape No, you haven't taped him yet. Obviously we're going we're off this week, we're off next week and then we're back to work. Wow. Wow, pretty cool for some Christmas episodes. I suppose I know what am I going to do? What am I going to do? I love? Can I give you? Can I give you a pitch? Yeah? Wrap herself up like a gift, burst out of it. That would be funny. That's a good skit. That's my dad's would say, you're right, what's your what's

your pitch? Bowing for the pitch for the Ember Ruff and show, she's been doing a lot of um some segments for She and Terek are sort of at odds with each other. I think maybe, and I know you're married. I don't know what terrik situation is, but maybe you two sort of reconcile by having full on penetrative sex with each other. I think you should be that's her friend. That's her friend. You're her stick bone. You're very sick, You're you're very sick disposition. It's really off putting. You

are shaming me. He did, He said that, he really really went there. I was gonna say past that. And I think you guys should just do a divorce storyline. So I don't know, if you watch The Crown, The Crown has a divorce storyline and everyone's really talking about it, the Charles and Diana of it all, and I think that that could be really fun for you guys. I mean, that's not a crazy idea. Is to give ourselves a

big fat history would be fun. He also have brilliant writers such as Jenny Higgel, Shinta Jackson, Dwayne Perkins, and Demiodwibe, who could probably write circles around, just write circles around. Are dumb asses? Well, we sort of sit here and have a podcast. Hey, don't you snore at my friends? My maiden are my friends. They do a good job. Thank you, Thank you literally so much. Literally, um, it's

been so fun to have you. When you said you when we we emailed and we were like, yeah, probably busy, and then you said you would come on and we said we we squealed. It's nice to hang out with people on their podcasts because to get to hang out with people now, oh my god, get to do a podcast now, or else you're not going to see any of your little friends. Well someday in the future. Oh yeah, someday in the future. Lights at the end of the tunnel.

The cavalry is coming, sweet and you've got three options so far. Hey, Matt, I want to ask you a question. What's Amber Ruffin's hometown, her hometown. Did you say it? She said it? Did you say I did? I didn't know that. Oh my god, wow, you just like sort of really can't. But everyone, I weren't on a date. We weren't on a date. I don't think penetrative. I'm so sorry, Amber, please accept my holiday. That was vulgar.

I like it. You're so vulgar. And I think that Bowen, we should sing a sort of Well, the thing is, we do end every episode with a song, and Bowen, I think we should sing a sexy song to end this episode because it's been so charged. Um what sort of sexy? You know? Songs you want to sing? Doverything? Tempo was down on straight to the chorus. If he just the sole version, will you not hit me? Ch Why don't know the words? That's a good one. H It was a chart topper before we get to top

the charts. Show me a coming. It's bursting in on to lie. Okay, you want to hear more of that song until she's anatomy. Bye bye,